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Off the Cuff” Podcast - Episode 167 Transcript NASFAA’s “Off the Cuff” Podcast - Episode 167 Transcript Justin Draeger: Hey, everyone. Welcome to another edition of Off The Cuff. I'm Justin Draeger. Allie Arcese: I'm Allie Arcese with our communications team. Allie Arcese: I'm Megan Coval with our policy team. Karen McCarthy: And I'm Karen McCarthy also with our policy team. Justin Draeger: Welcome back, everyone. Allie. Welcome back from vacation. Allie Arcese: Thank you. Justin Draeger: You look well rested. You look better than you've ever looked before. Allie Arcese: Oh good. It was getting kind of like rough there for a little bit, full of energy. Justin Draeger: Yeah, no, you look, you look like a person coming back from vacation. So welcome back. Allie Arcese: I'm not an amorphous blob. Justin Draeger: I've never said that you ever... Generally people don't know, that's how I say I see everyone. But, we have a special guest with us this week. I want to do a word association game here, okay. When I say the following, I want you to tell me the word that pops into your mind. Okay. I'll start with you, Megan. Justin Draeger: Senator Lamar Alexander. What's the word that pops to your mind. Allie Arcese: Gentleman. Justin Draeger: Gentlemen. Okay. Allie? Allie Arcese: FAFSA. Justin Draeger: Karen? Karen McCarthy: Paper FAFSA. Justin Draeger: All right. So, first of all, Megan, Bravo, Brava. I think that was a great answer. He is a gentleman. Allie Arcese: I was anticipating some other FAFSA so I was trying to think of something else. Justin Draeger: Well, thank you. But yes, a gentleman and we asked if he'd be able to come onto the podcast. Talk to us a little bit about his passion about the FAFSA, and talk to us a little bit about what he sees in the next few months in the waning days of this legislative calendar. So let's welcome Senator Alexander. Well, I'm glad to have a special guest with us today, former secretary of education, former governor, former college president, and for the last 18 years, the Senator from the great state of Tennessee, Senator Lamar Alexander, who's also currently Chairman of the Senate health, education, labor, and pensions committee. Senator. Thanks for joining us. Lamar Alexander: Thanks for inviting me, Justin. Good to talk with you again. Justin Draeger: Yeah. Always happy to have you with us. If I were to do a word association with your name amongst our 20,000 members, I think the one word they would most often say is FAFSA. Lamar Alexander: Well, I would hope so. And maybe they could get my colleagues in the United States Congress to do the same thing in the next few weeks. Justin Draeger: Why of all things, you've been in higher education for a really long time, for decades. Why is this one issue one that you keep revisiting? Where's the passion come from here? Lamar Alexander: Well, one is it's so obvious. I mean, a few years ago when we were working on fixing No Child Left Behind, one of the major magazines said, "It's a law everybody wants fixed," and this is something everybody wants fixed. But more important than that, it's the single biggest obstacle to helping low income, especially minority students, go to college. In our state of Tennessee, where two years of tuition is free, we have the highest participation in filling out the FAFSA of any state. But our former Governor Bill Haslam says that, "The biggest obstacle to low-income and minority kids and older people going to two years of free education is the complexity of filling out the FAFSA." Justin Draeger: When you look over the many years that we've been now talking about this, and you've gotten some legislation passed that's taken us incrementally closer to simplifying this form, have you changed on any of your views about how the FAFSA can be simplified? How we balance all this complexity with still getting information from students? Lamar Alexander: Well, I have, and I think I learned a lot from the financial aid administrators. You'll remember a few years ago, I came to your meeting in Nashville and Senator Bennet of Colorado, and I had taken the 108 questions and boiled them down to two. And you guys who are in the middle of this and women all the time said that will keep us from having the information that we need to make institutional aid. So we listened and we changed what we were doing. And so instead of going from 108 questions to two, I think we've done a good job of incorporating your ideas, so you still get the aid you need, and the students won't have to answer more than 33 questions. In fact, you'll get more information because Senator Murray and I were able to get the Senate to pass the Future Act last year, which got rid of some of the most onerous requirements, which was giving your tax information to the federal government twice. So that should make it easier really for financial aid administrators to administer other programs. Justin Draeger: Yeah. And it's verified data, so hopefully we're doing less verification, less hurdles for students. It's a win for everyone. Lamar Alexander: Yeah. Well the verification is a real pain in the neck. Now, a lot of people don't know about that, but what I try to tell my colleagues in the center, we're talking about 20 million families who have to fill this out every year and it's not just the filling it out, it's the giving the same information twice. And then seeing if the Department of Education can catch you making a mistake so that won't be necessary anymore. And the verification process that we'll get rid of is as onerous as any other part of the reform that we're doing. Justin Draeger: So when you look at the next few months, the window for future legislation is closing. If you were to give advice to aid administrators, NASPA is supportive of your legislative efforts, what advice would you give us all to say, if we're to try to get something done before the end of this legislative calendar, how do we go about doing it? Lamar Alexander: I'm going to be very simple about this. I would go to your member of Congress or Senator at home. We all go home, particularly these days, and I would take five or six students. And I would ask for 15 minutes and I would show the member of Congress one, how much of a problem this is, especially for low income students, and second, how much agreement there is about fixing this. And say, "There's no reason not to finish doing it now." We've often done some pretty good things in the lame duck session after the politics is out of the way for a little while. So I would ask for that appointment now, have it after the election and bring the students. Seeing people at home and showing them just how many students in a congressional district might be affected. For example, in Tennessee, there probably 400,000 families who have to fill this out every year. I mean, the Nashville area, they're probably 40,000. That's a lot of people. And I think if the Congressman from that area saw that he'd say, "Well, why don't we do this?" Justin Draeger: So you mentioned, after the politics are over, things can start to move, start to happen, especially things that people agree on. I'm curious, given your tenure in the Senate, from the outside DC things look awfully divided, partisan, sometimes bitterly so. Is that been your experience in the Senate as someone who's been able to get bipartisan legislation passed? What's it like in the Senate collegiality wise? Lamar Alexander: Well, of course COVID makes it different because we don't see each other as much, but collegiality's fine. I suggest you look at the Senate as a split screen television. On the one side, you've got the tweets and the Supreme Court justices and the opposite. And see, on the other side, you've got people working together to permanently fund black colleges to take an important step at the same time to simplify the FAFSA, to pass the most important outdoor recreation and legislation in 50 years, all that happened recently. Now what hasn't happened, are some other things that should happen if we would work better together and finishing the job of simplifying the FAFSA at this time, when everybody is interested in equity and racial justice, I mean, there couldn't be a better flag to fly and then simplify the FAFSA. Justin Draeger: Just a personal question Senator, the week after retiring from the Senate, what does your week look like? Lamar Alexander: I haven't even thought about that. It'll be in Tennessee. That's for sure. I guess I'll be unpacking and renovating. I've so enjoyed my time. I've enjoyed the people I work with. I enjoy getting up every day and thinking I may be able to do something during the day that helps the country and usually go to bed at night thinking I had.
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