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Seanad Éireann Vol. 205 Wednesday, No. 13 17 November 2010 DÍOSPÓIREACHTAÍ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES SEANAD ÉIREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIÚIL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Wednesday, 17 November 2010. Business of Seanad ………………………………743 Order of Business …………………………………743 National Paediatric Hospital: Statements…………………………756 Death of Member: Expressions of Sympathy ………………………782 Business of Seanad ………………………………806 Credit Institutions (Eligible Liabilities Guarantee) (Amendment) (No. 2) Scheme 2010: Motion … … 807 Prohibition of Depleted Uranium Weapons Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages … … … 824 Adjournment Matters: Sugar Market Reform ……………………………833 Schools Building Projects ……………………………836 Alcohol Misuse ………………………………838 SEANAD ÉIREANN ———— Dé Céadaoin, 17 Samhain 2010. Wednesday, 17 November 2010. ———— Chuaigh an Cathaoirleach i gceannas ar 10.30 a.m. ———— Paidir. Prayer. ———— Business of Seanad An Cathaoirleach: I have received notice from Senator Paul Bradford that, on the motion for the Adjournment of the House today, he proposes to raise the following matter: The need for the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food to initiate a debate with the relevant stakeholders and the European Commission on the possibility of redeveloping a sugar beet industry in Ireland. I have also received notice from Senator Fidelma Healy Eames of the following matter: The need for the Tánaiste and Minister for Education and Skills, in view of the over- capacity and ongoing demand for school places, to outline the current status of the appli- cation for new accommodation, including the timeframe for delivery, at Calasanctius College, Oranmore, County Galway. I have also received notice from Senator Jerry Buttimer of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Health and Children to make a statement on the planned strategies of the Government for tackling the growing misuse of alcohol. I have also received notice from Senator Dan Boyle of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport, if necessary through changing the remit of the Irish Sports Council, to formally recognise chess as an official sport, as has happened in many European countries. I regard the matters raised by Senators Bradford, Healy Eames and Buttimer as suitable for discussion on the Adjournment and they will be taken at the conclusion of business. I regret that I have had to rule out of order the matter raised by Senator Boyle as the Minister has no official responsibility in the matter. Order of Business Senator Donie Cassidy: The Order of Business is No. 1, statements on the national paediatric hospital, to be taken at the conclusion of the Order of Business and conclude not later than 1.45 p.m., on which spokespersons may speak for ten minutes and all other Senators for eight minutes and Senators may share time, by agreement of the House, with the Minister to be 743 Order of 17 November 2010. Business [Senator Donie Cassidy.] called upon not later than 1.35 p.m. for closing comments and to take questions from leaders or spokespersons; No. 2, motion re credit institutions (eligible liabilities guarantee) scheme 2010, to be taken at 4 p.m. and conclude not later than 6.15 p.m., on which spokespersons may speak for ten minutes and all other Senators for eight minutes and Senators may share time, by agreement of the House; and No. 3, Prohibition of Depleted Uranium Weapons Bill 2009 — Committee Stage, to be taken at 6.15 p.m. and conclude not later than 8 p.m. The business of the House shall be interrrupted at the conclusion of No. 1 until 2.30 p.m. Following the resumption, it is proposed to hear tributes to former Member Kieran Phelan, to conclude not later than 3.45 p.m. There shall then be a sos for 15 minutes. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: I begin by expressing my sincere condolences to those affected by the tragic deaths in both Cork and Limerick yesterday. As investigations are ongoing, I will refrain from commenting other than to say that this loss of young life is very tragic. My heart goes out to all the relatives, families and the communities affected by these tragedies. These awful family and community tragedies put our economic issues, no matter how serious, in context. Senator Jerry Buttimer: Hear, hear. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: I want to return to the ongoing talks in which Ireland is engaged at a European and world level at this stage and the effect that our failure of policy is having on the eurozone. We heard the very nuanced comments of the Minister for Finance this morn- ing and the denial of several Ministers in recent days. I must comment on this culture of denial that seems to be endemic in Ministers instead of telling people the truth. Senator Jerry Buttimer: Hear, hear. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: Irish people have got the truth more from YouTube, European commentators and Ministers than they have from their own Irish Ministers. This lack of level- ling with the people and coming out and calling it as it is an absolute disgrace. We have seen this denial in this House for months on end in regard to banking and the general fiscal situation. We heard figures just last week that have turned out to be completely inaccurate. It is clear from what everyone is saying that Frankfurt, Brussels and Washington representatives will arrive in next few days and there will be a bailout within the next few days. Severe conditions will be imposed on Irish citizens and taxpayers. That is the situation at which we have arrived. I want to make a point in regard to it, and Fintan O’Toole made this point in an interesting article in The Irish Times yesterday when he said that more money without reform will not solve the long-term problems of this country. Senator Fidelma Healy Eames: Hear, hear. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: It is very clear that we need to step up our discussions about reform in this House, in the Oireachtas generally and in the country. We need Ministers in here talking about reform, how they will implement reform in the banking sector, in politics, in the HSE and in FÁS. We need, at the very least, to step up our discussions on reform because there is no point having more money and spending it in the same wasteful way. We heard yesterday that 1,400 hospital beds are unavailable to people who need them because of the lack of reform in the health system. I want to move an amendment to the Order of Business that the Minister would come in and discuss the Croke Park agreement and its implementation—— 744 Order of 17 November 2010. Business Senator Nicky McFadden: Hear, hear. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: ——and at what stage reform is at this point in regard to that specific agreement. If we want to take that as a touchstone about reform, let us hear what is happening, why there are delays and what the up-to-date position is. Senator Joe O’Toole: The issues we raised yesterday about the best decisions for Europe and for Ireland are finally coming into focus and the reality is that this is a European issue and a bank issue in this country. We need to understand those things and to decide on the best way forward. I do not know the answers and I do not know the positions of any of the parties. I do not know the Government position on this, the Fine Gael position or the Labour Party position. The parties have decided to argue among themselves about how information is or is not being released, but I would like to hear from the parties what their views are. My view is very simple. If it is in the best interests of this country to get money from Europe to help our banks, then that is what we should do. It is not an issue of undermining where we are going, but we should all say what the issues are and what is best for the country. I do not know enough to make that call but I would not be simply opposed to money coming from Europe if that was in the best interests of this country. That is the only benchmark I have to make my decision on it at this time and we should all approach it in that way. We can also have a go at governments and others who called it wrong as we go along. They are separate issues and one is not to be confused with the other. We need to hear that as we go along. Senator David Norris: Hear, hear. Senator Joe O’Toole: In terms of impact, the real issue during the past 24 hours, when money is always a serious difficulty and we will always be overwhelmed by the economic problems with which we have to cope, were the stories that emerged from Cork and Limerick yesterday. They gave us an injection of reality and were shock treatment. Surely it should put in perspec- tive that our focus should always be on the community. Senator David Norris: Hear, hear. Senator Joe O’Toole: We can learn from the issues arising from those horrific, tragic and appalling events. There is the question of mental health and how we deal with it in this country. If one ties those stories together with the series on suicide running in The Irish Times, we have to ask ourselves where we are going in terms of our mental health and what provisions we are putting in place to deal with mental health problems. I seriously ask that we get an outline of the proposals in that regard.
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