History of Sydenham Wells Park

Sydenham Life AprilJuly Julyand 2017 August and 2016August 2016 In andandIn around andaround aroundthe theparish parish ofthe St Bartholomew ofparish St Bartholomew of St Bartholomew www.stbartschurchsydenham.org www.stbartschurchsydenham.org If you have a child at school, you will be well awareBut is mostto live importantly, in a free society, we want whereto make everyone, sure that St young Bart’s or of British Values. These are now explicitly included is old,at the male heart or of female,its community. gay or Itstraight, certainly of is whatevera prominent Building Vision landmark in Sydenham, an attractive and historical part in the school curriculum. It would be interesting, if ofethnicity the townscape. or religion, Even before has equal the Vision rights. Day, as regular T eyou parish didn’t churches know of how England the governmentare “the bonds defined that have readersAlthough of Sydenham it doesn’t Life say will this know, explicitly we have on been the working broughtthem, the to English come uppeople with together your own in village list of and British town onDepartment a project called for SABRE Education (St Bart’s website, Restoration this is Appeal), part of throughvalues. a thousand What do years you of think history”, they says would Simon be? Jenkins, whichthe government’smight appear at Preventf rst sight Strategy to be simply (there an appeal is a link to in England’sSomething T ousandabout theBest famousChurches. British While sense he wants of fair to forthe money Prevent to repair website). the building. At schools However, this itis is very far more closely stress the museum-like nature of churches, he is at least than that. 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Suc-I’m cessive generations have played their part in adapting it to theextends passing of even the old, to post and to and f nd trains, the essential and for spiritual a long not a spokesman for government policy, but I have nourishment for life’s journey. 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T is is, I think, 18 months-2 years. But aand major girls part have of the equal plans opportunity in the theBritish. f f h in my But time a lotas vicar.of it T e idea is to invite members medium term is to developin education.the crypt into Women a warm, andsafe, men of theis to congregation do with fair to playcome together and throw up ideas friendly space which canhave be used equal for arights variety in of activities. aboutand the tolerance, role of the church in its community. In other We shall be looking for partnersemployment. to use the We space, reject commu- that words, to form a Vision in the light of changing circum- nity groups, charities, etc, so that the church could be a hub stancesaccording and changing to the people, both in the congregation and of community life. idea that certain societies have thegovernment. wider community. Here It is about not just drif ing along T is piece is not an appealcustoms for money. that It must is an invitationbe accepted to andare responding their five ad core hoc to things that happen, but about share the vision of a parisheven church though which we honours disagree its herit-with beingBritish proactive values: and seeing how, with the guidance of the age,them, while such seeking as femaleto be at thegenital heart mutilation, of the community, forced a church which is attractive to all. Holy Democracy,Spirit, we can bestThe serveRule Godof Law, and ourIndividual neighbour. Liberty, marriage or so-called “honour killings”. Failing to Now we are at the stage of turning those ideas into a MAP Michael Kingston - Mission Action Plan, whichMutual will Respect pull together our work challenge those was what did for multiculturalism. overTolerance the next three of those years. of different faith and beliefs. We have a system based on freedom, democracy, WeWell noted you that might ours is say; a mixed they’re community, kind of veryobvious, diverse, aren’t human rights and toleration of those of different whichthey? can Who’sbe a stimulating going to place disagree to be. with T ere that? are a varietyThey’re (but not extremist) views. Writing as a Christian, I of social and economic needs. T e age prof le of our com- HOLY WEEK munityjust whatis younger you thanwould the expect national in average, any modern, ref ected in can say that what we call British values are theenlightened, fact that all local liberal schools nation have –been oh, askedI see towhat take you extra consonantHoly Week with is aChristian re-living values.of the last It weekis part of of our our children.mean; T we ere live are inmany a world local whereorganisations many with people whom – a understandingLord’s life, sharing of the in Gospel his dying that and Jesus new came life. It to we majority,already have perhaps links, such – do as not the enjoySydenham the Society,benefits of bringdeals freedom, with the that harsh he reality treated of everyonehuman sin – and rich or of ers a way to rebirth and new life. It is an Sydenhamdemocracy Arts Festival,and liberty schools, which hospice we so and cherish care homes, here. In poor, educated or not – with equal compassion and the Credit Union, the Foodbank, Voluntary Services important part of our Christian pilgrimage, one Lewisham,fact, they’re and so so on. established New people here are movingthat we into sometimes the respect,that confronts that his us message with some was of Good the di Newsf cult toand communitytake them all thefor time.granted. Our Butmain many link with people them coming all is to everyone,unpleasant not things just to of alife, select and few.brings He us taught through his Sydenhamthis country Life, which from isa whyplace we where have taken there trouble is no over disciplesthem with to follow hope. Maya way it thatbe a timeinvolved of renewal humility, in maintainingdemocracy and or developing freedom, it. where We also human need to rights look at are not sacrificeour own and lives, self in-discipline. our community These and are in values all the that whetherrespected our pattern do not of alwaysservices realiseref ects hownot only they the work needs in dif cult situations in our modern world. of those who already come, but of those who might come undergird both our Christian discipleship and what if invited.practice. 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Page 2 Editorial On 23 February 2017 the United Kingdom experienced Nepalese & Indian Takeaway Storm Doris. It was a reminder of the extreme power of www.himalayankitchen.co.uk nature. Some parts of the UK experienced winds of up 020 8676 7899 to ninety four miles per hour. T e media reported that 17 Penge Lane SE20 7DU there were three deaths. T e naming of storms in the Tues-Sun 5:00pm-10:30pm United Kingdom is a relatively recent thing. T e Met Of- f ce’s website lists its f rst named storm as Abigail which impacted on the United Kingdom in November 2015. T e naming of weather phenomena is not a recent development. I grew up in Barbados in the 1970s and the name of Hurricane Janet in 1955 with winds of 175 miles per hour was still spoken about over twenty years later. According to Wikipedia it was the most severe tropical cyclone that year. A recent news feature of Radio 4 claimed the naming of storms in the United Kingdom was an attempt to make the public aware of the potential danger of storms. T is has been facilitated by social media. It reported that the public had submitted ten thousand potential names on Facebook and Twitter. We should never take the weather for granted because of the devastating consequences which may occur. I don’t think it is wise to go about our business as if there were no danger. On 3 March 2017 I attended the annual general meeting of Lewisham + Bromley Credit Union. It celebrated its 25th year of operation. Some of its original members were recognised and given commemorative plaques. T e Mayor of Lewisham, Sir Steve Bullock gave the featured address in which he reminded everyone he is also a member of the credit union. One of the highlights of the evening was the revealing of the poster competition winner for the 25th anniversary year, which was held across the junior schools of the boroughs of Lewisham and Bromley and which was supported by the Big Lottery Fund. T e winning entry was submitted by Amber McAllister from Keston Church of England primary school, who received a prize of £100.00 and the school received £100.00 as well. T e chief executive of Lewisham + Bromley Credit Un- ion, Ravi Ravindran, reminded the members that it was important to start good f nancial management at an early Teen Sense age and stated that the Life Savers project in collaboration with the Church of England would expand. I want to thank the readers for their positive reviews and prayers about everything thank those who give of their time to write and distrib- ute our Church magazine. It goes without saying that we from a teenage point of view continue to require articles for future editions. Geof rey Cave Published on Kindle £2.07 Amazon Excellent resource to have with you - you can put it on your smart phone or i-pod

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Page 3 Coming Events

Annual parish Meeting IONA EVENING SERVICE An opportunity to worship in the style used Af er church on April 23rd we hold our Annual by the Iona community, will be at our evening Parish Meeting. T is starts with the short Annual service on Sunday April 23rd. All are welcome Vestry, at which two churchwardens for the year for this short service which includes hymns are elected. Any parishioner may vote. and an address. Immediately following the Annual Parochial *Apologies to those who came to the February Church Meeting, representatives to the Dean- service thinking it was from Iona! My mistake! ery Synod are elected, as well as members of the Parochial Church Council. We receive reports Sunday April 23rd from all aspects of parish life and adopt the annual accounts.

SUNDAY APRIL 23RD 11.30 AM Christian Aid Week

- ADVANCE NOTICE - Christian Aid Week is May 14th – 20th. More information next month.

Page 4 HOLY WEEK AT ST BARTHOLOMEW’S 2017

Sunday April 9th - PALM SUNDAY 10.00 am Palm Procession and Parish Eucharist We process from the vicarage to the church, waving our palms and singing hosanna!

April 10th, 11th, 12th– Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday of Holy Week 8.00 pm Said Eucharist and Meditation

April 13th - MAUNDY THURSDAY 8.00 pm Sung Eucharist of the Last Supper & Watch until midnight We gather round the table with our Lord for his Last Supper, then watch in prayer as he prepares for his ordeal.

April 14th - GOOD FRIDAY 10.00 am Walking the Way of Jesus a simple service about Good Friday for children. 12 noon - 3.00 pm T ree Hours at the Cross 1.00 pm T e Way of the Cross 2.00 pm T e Liturgy of Good Friday We share in the sacrif cial love of the Son of God. April 15th - HOLY SATURDAY 9.00 pm T e Easter Vigil (f nish about 10.30 pm) T e new f re, the Light of Christ, Renewal of baptismal vows, Eucharist.

April 16th - EASTER SUNDAY Usual Sunday services at 8.00 am and 10.00 am (with First Communions, and blessing of Easter Garden) Come, celebrate new life in Jesus.

times a year. T e organ tuner has done regular minor re- Organ Recital pairs over the years. Work needs to be done to repair and Restoration of Organ restore a part of the organ called the Swell. T e Swell is a name given to one of the three manuals (or keyboards). Saturday April 1st at 12:00 PM Firstly, repairs need to be done urgently to the leatherwork of the mechanism called primary motors that control all We have launched our organ fund appeal of £5.500 for the draw stops on the Swell because of deterioration. T e repairs to part of our f ne historical organ. An organ re- stops facilitate various sounds from rows of dif erent sized cital will take place on 1st April 2017 to be performed by pipes. Secondly, re-leathering needs to be done to the On Dennis Baugh the organist and the vicar the Rev Michael and Of motors that control two particular draw stops Kingston. called the Principal and Piccolo which are defective. T e two stops are immensely important to the overall beauty St Bartholomew’s organ was built in 1874 by William Hill of sounds on the Swell organ. T e Principal contributes and Sons, a well known organ builder in the 19th century. to a rich string-type tone, and the Piccolo emulates the Notable venues of Hill organs still in operation include Sydney Town Hall built in 1890, Birmingham Town Hall sound of a piccolo in a very beautiful way. T ese two built in 1891, St Andrews Croydon built in 1891, and St important stops cannot be used at present and repairs will Mary the Virgin Tottenham built in 1889 which had a involve dismantling and re-assembling them. Grade 1 listing in 2004 as a heritage organ. We invite all our readers and parishioners to our recital in Our organ last had major repairs and extension work order that St Bartholomew’s may have a successful appeal done to it in 1976 and we have the organ tuned three and restore fully our magnif cent organ. Page 5 HISTORY OF SYDENHAM WELLS PARK (Part 1) Situated in a natural basin between Westwood Hill and were of en frequented by crowds of people who were ‘both Sydenham Hill, Wells Park represents the largest surviving unruly and unmannerly’. remnant of Sydenham Common, a vast tract of land that Small enclosures were eventually permitted around each well once extended over Upper Sydenham and much of Forest with a cottage to accommodate the proprietor and shelter the Hill and which originally formed part of the Great West water drinkers. Some of these establishments later provided Wood. During the reign of Queen Elizabeth I, in order to music and dancing for those whose ‘ailments were more im- supply the naval dockyards at Deptford, great swathes of aginary than real’. In the late 18th century King George III, this woodland were felled so that by the beginning of the accompanied by an escort of lifeguards, visited one of these seventeenth century most of the common had been stripped cottages, which was positioned on the corner of Oaksford of its mature trees. Avenue and Wells Park road opposite what is now Taylor’s T e park derives its name from the once popular medicinal Lane. T e cottage was called ‘T e Green Dragon’ af er the springs that were discovered on the common in 1640. T ey model of a dragon, which had been erected on a pole to were brought into public notice eight years later following mark the position of one of the wells. their supposed ef ect on a local woman who having drank Between 1789 and 1802 the ‘Green Dragon’ was used as the some of the water was ‘miraculously’ cured of a dreadful dis- headquarters of the St. George’s bowman for archery prac- ease. Word of this soon spread and twelve wells, each about 3 tice. Later it became known simply as Wells Cottage and metres deep, were dug on the site of the springs. it survived until 1944 when it was destroyed by a German In 1671 the diarist John Evelyn spoke of having recently f ying bomb. It is said that on another visit to the wells by returned from Dulwich via ‘a certain medicinal spa called George III a band played outside the cottage in order to Sydenham Wells’. T e waters, apart from being imbibed by drown out the sound of his curses as he drank the bitter tast- visitors to the wells, were also sold in the streets of London. ing waters. In 1680 the physician, John Peter, recommended that they Despite the dubious f avour of the waters the popularity of should be ‘taken hot and mixed with a little milk’. In ‘T e the springs continued until the early part of the 19th century Natural History of Mineral Waters of Great Britain’, pub- when, following the enclosure of the surrounding common, lished in 1699, Dr. Benjamin Allen described the waters as they largely fell into disuse. T e plot that was to form the being ‘medicated with salt of the nature of common salt, but major part of Wells Park was initially awarded to Sir Fran- with a nitrous quality and more marcasitical’ (containing cis Baring of Lee in 1812. By the 1830s however his plot, iron pyrites). together with several adjoining plots, had been acquired by By 1651 the f ood of visitors to the wells was so great that the John Forster of Southend to form a sizable farm. government issued a proclamation ordering them to ‘behave In November 1895, due to concerns that the site of the with decorum’. On more than one occasion when the revel- wells might be built upon, a local campaign group, led by ling ‘exceeded respectable dimensions’, the cavalry was sent the Mayor of Lewisham, T eophilus William Williams, was in to restore order. A doctor writing about his visit to the formed and in July 1896 they succeeded in having a portion wells said ‘I cannot omit taking notice of a very great abuse of the site saved as an open space. Mr Williams, who by all occasioned by a rabble of Londoners and others frequenting accounts was also something of a womaniser and embezzler, these wells on Sundays, where, under pretence of drink- in presenting the petition claimed there was a great need for ing the waters, they spend that Holy day in great profanity. an open space as the ‘artisan population of Wells Road ‘ not Af er they have gorged themselves with the water, they do being able to af ord the entrance fee to the nearby Crys- drink upon it an excessive quantity of brandy, thereby many tal Palace Park would ‘otherwise have to go over a mile to of them becoming greatly prejudiced in their health’. In the Sydenham Recreation ground’ (now Mayow Park). early eighteenth century the author of ‘Robinson Crusoe’, In 1898 the London County Council and the Lewisham Daniel Defoe, on visiting the wells commented that they District Board of Works bought 7 hectares (18 acres) of common land from John Forster’s descendant, H.W. Forster MP, for £7,210. T e wells were f lled in and, under the direction of Colonel Sexby, chief of cer of the LCC parks department, over f ve thousand pounds was spent on creating a public park. Terry Morley

Activities at Wells Park

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Page 6 quennial Reports (5 yearly architect surveys required of all the “Tere is nothing new.....” churches in the Diocese) to make the church safe and secure In March 1624, the parishioners of St. Katharine Cree, a but, like St. Katharine’s, the PCC has endorsed a more ambi- Church of England church which one can still visit, situated tious project to incorporate improvements to the building as on the north side of Leadenhall Street in the City of London, well. petitioned the House of Lords to prevail upon the Master and Many of the St. Katharine’s parishioners gave generously to Fellows of Magdalene College in whose “gif” (i.e. who were provide funds for the repairs, a good number by leaving a responsible for appointing the curate or vicar) the church lay,’ donation in their wills, but they were quite unable to raise the to rebuild the chancel of the church which had fallen into eventual sums required by their own eforts and so they had serious disrepair. recourse to pleading with rich individuals within the con- Te church was, according to ofcials of the City of London, gregation to make donations and to petitioning the City of “not in any danger of falling” but “ might stand without dan- London livery companies, many of which gave generously to ger to the curate (vicar) and parishioners resorting thither to the rebuilding costs. divine service and sermons.” Te coats of arms of many of the livery companies which What started out as a repair, swifly became the almost gave to the repair fund at St. Katherine’s are embossed in the complete reconstruction of the church enlarging the original nave roof and side aisle roofs of the church. St. Bartholomew’s building to provide new facilities for worship. likewise, has been the recipient of many individual donations Many of you will be aware of SABRE, St. Bartholomew’s Res- from parishioners and the community and our equivalent to toration Appeal, launched in June 2014, which aims to repair St. Katharine’s approaches to the livery companies has been an and reconstruct the church, enlarging it to the original “foot- application to the Listed Places of Worship Roof Repair Fund print’ as conceived by one of its two principal architects, Ed- and a forthcoming application to the Heritage Lottery Fund to win Nash and incorporating planned improvements focusing fnance the major part of the remaining repair and improve- on the opening up and development of the Crypt to provide ment works. fexible space for hire to community groups or organisations. Last month we received the wonderful news that we had been Parish records indicate that, over time, there have been a given a grant of £95,600 from the Listed Places of Worship number of attempts to repair and refurbish St. Bartholomew’s Roof Repair Fund to replace the Choir Vestry and Sacristy for the use and enjoyment of future generations so, together roofs and to carry out further works to the drainage system. with the parishioners of St. Katharine Cree, we are part of a Tis work has now gone out to tender so the resulting scaf- historical tradition of ‘self help’ designed to ensure that our folding will serve as the frst physical evidence that, like the building survives as a place of worship and service to the parishioners of St. Katharine Cree in 1628, welcoming their community. re-building work as ‘tending much to the glory of God and At St. Katharine’s, work did not begin until 1628 and, as the good of many souls”, St. Bart’s SABRE project is frmly with all such projects, costs evidently spiralled upwards! Te under way. Nick Lloyd (Chair of SABRE) eventual cost was in the region of £3000 as noted by the court of common council. In today’s money, this would amount to Should you wish to make a donation to SABRE, please make about £447,000 (not including labour costs)! cheques payable to: “PCC of St. Bartholomew’s, Sydenham” Our original project was conceived as carrying out only the and send to: SABRE Fund, c/o Peter Stubbs, Hon. Treasurer, necessary structural repairs, as detailed in successive Quin- St. Bartholomew’s Vicarage, 4 Westwood Hill, London, SE26 6QR Te artist who painted the church of St Bartholomew in 1871 When I started attending St Bartholomews church in the this stay that he painted Te Avenue, Sydenham in 1871. early nineties, I was distinctly made aware of the presence of Te painting captured the atmosphere of an early spring day a famous painting with St Barts church in the background in what is now called Lawrie Park Avenue and the trees are ofwhich many people in Sydenham have a reproduction just coming into leaf. Te church of St Bartholomew is in the copy hanging in their living room. Recent retirement has background and much of allowed me to enrol in art appreciation classes to pursue the painting was done outdoors. Pissarro admired the work something I love but know very of John Constable and JMW Turner little. Tis painting of Te Avenue, and their style of open air painting, Sydenham was painted by Camille working directly from nature which Pissarro, the Danish-French Im- gave the truest depiction of light and pressionist in 1871. Camille Pis- atmosphere which cannot be achieved sarro was born on 10th July 1830 in a studio. Pissarro painted many in St Tomas, West Indies (now scenes in the area of Norwood, which Virgin Islands).At the age twelve include Crystal Palace and Sydenham he was sent to boarding school in Hill. He was the only artist to have France. He returned aged seven- his paintings exhibited at all eight teen and worked for his father as a impressionist exhibitions from 1874- cargo clerk and practised drawing 1886. He also acted as father fgure to whenever he could fnd time. He turned full time profes- other major artists including George Seurat, Paul Cezanne, sional painter at the age twenty one and moved back to Paris. Vincent Van Gogh and Paul Gauguin. Pissarro explained to He attended many art classes and received instructions from Van Gogh the various ways of fnding and expressing light Camille Corot, a French landscape and portrait painter, who and colour which Van Gogh used in his painting. Pissarro tutored him and inspired him to paint outdoors and ofen at died in Paris on 13th November 1903 age seventy three. Te one sitting to give his painting a more realistic feel. Pissarro Avenue, Sydenham painting is currently located in room 41, moved his family to London in 1870 to avoid the Franco- Te National Gallery in Trafalgar Square London. Prussian war and they settled in Norwood. It was during Dr Jitna Por

Page 7 Services at St Bartholomew’s Church Weekdays Sundays 9.00 am Morning Prayer, Monday-Friday 8 am Eucharist (Said) 9.30 am Saturday 10 am Parish Eucharist (Sung) 5.30 pm Evening Prayer, Monday-Saturday All-Age once a month 9.15 am Eucharist, Wednesday 6 pm (some Sundays) Evening Service 12.45 pm Eucharist, Tursday

Vicar - Te Rev Canon Michael Kingston 4 Westwood Hill, Sydenham, SE26 6QR 020 8778 5290 [email protected] Assistant Curate - Rev Stephen Edmonds 020 8676 8925 [email protected] Father Michael is not available on a Monday. Te church is open every Saturday morning between 10 am and 12 noon for anyone to drop in. A member of staf is always available.

From the Parish Registers Baptism Floodlighting 19th February: Augusta Edewor Defend, O Lord, your servant with your heavenly grace. Anniversary, Birthday or Special Event? You can spon- sor the foodlighting of St Bartholomew’s church for one Funeral whole week for £10. Contact: Claire Adams 020 8676 0608 20th February: Joe O’Donoghue (71) May he rest in peace.

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