PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION OF WEST CHARLESTON * * * * * * * * * PATH * Transmission Company, LLC; * 09-0770-E-CN PATH Allegheny Transmission * Company, LLC; PATH-WV Land * Acquisition Company; and * PATH-Allegheny Land * Acquisition Company * * * * * * * * * * HEARING TRANSCRIPT * * * * * * * * * BEFORE: JON MCKINNEY, Commissioner EDWARD STAATS, Commissioner HEARING: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:30 p.m. LOCATION: West Virginia Wesleyan College Campus Center Social Hall 59 College Avenue Buckhannon WV 26201

Reporter: Alison Salyards Any reproduction of this transcript is prohibited without authorization by the certifying agency.

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1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 3 WENDY BRASWELL, ESQUIRE 4 West Virginia Public Service Commission 5 201 Brooks Street 6 Charleston, WV 25301 7 Counsel for the PSC 8 9 JOHN PHILIP MELICK, ESQUIRE 10 Jackson Kelly, Attorneys at Law, PLLC 11 1600 Laidley Tower 12 P.O. Box 553 13 Charleston, WV 25322 14 Counsel for the Applicant 15 16 JENNIFER PETRISEK, ESQUIRE 17 Allegheny Energy, Inc. 18 800 Cabin Hill Drive 19 Greensburg, PA 15601-1689 20 Counsel for the Applicant 21 22 23 24 25

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1 A P P E A R A N C E S (cont') 2 3 DAVID A. SADE, ESQUIRE 4 Consumer Advocate Division 5 723 Kanawha Boulevard, East 6 Union Building, Suite 700 7 Charleston, WV 25301 8 Counsel for the Consumer Advocate Division 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25

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1 INDEX TO WITNESSES 2 DISCUSSION AMONG PARTIES 7 - 14 3 PUBLIC COMMENTS 4 By Steve Cvechko 14 - 20 5 By Patrick Long 20 - 21 6 By Sudie Shipman 21 - 25 7 By Ken Lapp 25 - 26 8 By Roger Wilfong 27 - 33 9 By William Nicoll Hale 33 - 37 10 By Eric Ramey 37 - 39 11 By John Helton 39 - 40 12 By Katherine Hoover 40 - 42 13 By Ron Foster 42 - 44 14 By Grant Gray 44 - 46 15 By Melissa Martin 46 - 48 16 By David Pringle 49 - 59 17 By Harold Chambers 59 - 62 18 By Ralph Hamilton 62 - 63 19 By Frank Cvechko 63 - 67 20 By Debra Pringle 67 - 71 21 By Chris Haines 71 - 73 22 By Mike Richardson 73 - 75 23 By Paul Rank 75 - 77 24 By Christina Loudin 77 - 79 25 By Grace Lynch 79 - 81

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1 INDEX TO WITNESSES (Cont'd) 2 PUBLIC COMMENTS (Cont'd) 3 By Samanna Peck 81 - 82 4 By Michael Veltri 82 - 84 5 By Margo Davis 84 - 86 6 By Ivan Carr 86 - 88 7 By James Ridgeway 88 - 89 8 By Stephanie Funkhousr 89 - 90 9 By Augustine June Schaefers 90 - 91 10 By Melinda Pennington 91 - 93 11 By Valerie Laub 93 - 94 12 By Jeremy Bauserman 94 - 95 13 By French Armstrong 95 - 96 14 By Christine Blagg 96 - 97 15 By Laura Rusmisell 97 - 99 16 By Charles Detamore, II 99 - 105 17 By Donna Reed 105 - 107 18 By Gilbert Tom Pennington 107 19 CERTIFICATE 108 20 21 22 23 24 25

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1 E X H I B I T S 2 3 Page 4 Number Description Offered 5 NONE OFFERED 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25

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1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 ------3 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 4 Good afternoon. My name is Jon 5 McKinney. I'm a Commissioner with the Public Service 6 Commission. With me today is Commissioner Ed Staats. 7 Mike Albert cannot be with us, the Chairman. He is the 8 proud grandfather of a grandson who was born at three 9 o'clock yesterday, passes on his condolences that he 10 can't be here, and that he would not trade being a 11 grandfather for this. Sure. 12 This is a public comment hearing on 13 case number 09-0770-E-CN, PATH West Virginia Transmission 14 Company, LLC, PATH Allegheny Transmission Company, LLC, 15 PATH West Virginia Land Acquisition Company and PATH 16 Allegheny Land Acquisition Company. The purpose of this 17 public comment hearing is for the Commission to hear from 18 individuals who are not parties in this case. PATH, the 19 Applicants, are seeking, and I will read from our order, 20 on May 15th PATH West Virginia Transmission Company filed 21 with the Public Service Commission an application for 22 Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity 23 authorizing the construction and operation of the West 24 Virginia segments of the 765 KV electric transmission 25 line known as the Potomac-Appalachian Transmission

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1 Highway, or hence known as PATH, and related facilities. 2 Portions of the PATH project in West Virginia will 3 consist of approximately 224 miles of 765 KV electric 4 transmission line in Putnam, Kanawha, Roane, Calhoun, 5 Braxton, Lewis, Upshur, Barbour, Tucker, Preston, Grant, 6 Hardy, Hampshire, and Jefferson Counties in West 7 Virginia. 8 As in other meetings, we're asking that 9 the parties to the case not speak today. The parties, 10 the Applicant, the Commission Staff and all those 11 individual organizations that we granted intervenor 12 status from the Commission have certain rights and duties 13 that are identified by Commission rules, practice and 14 procedure and further defined by orders issued in this 15 case. Parties will have the opportunity to present their 16 positions to the Commission through Direct and Rebuttal 17 testimony, written opening statements and briefs. 18 The Commission order issued September 4 19 specifically stated that while those granted intervenor 20 status are welcome to attend the public comment hearing, 21 intervenors will not be permitted to provide comment 22 during the public hearings. We instituted this 23 restriction in part to avoid communication between the 24 parties and the Commission shall not be viewed as 25 improper, but moreover because the Commission wants to

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1 hear from the members of the public regarding this 2 filing. 3 This public comment hearing is a form 4 for protestants, individuals who have no other 5 opportunity in this case to appear before the Commission, 6 and they express their opinions concerning the PATH 7 project to the Commissioners. 8 When in the session, the Commission is 9 functioning in its judicial capacity, and this is really 10 essentially our courtroom. So we can expect and ask that 11 you treat it with proper decorum. The court reporter 12 really has one of the toughest jobs here in the fact that 13 he has to repeat everything everyone says and capture 14 that. If more than one person is talking, or if we have 15 a lot of noise, that makes his job much more difficult. 16 At this time, as I just did, please turn off your cell 17 phones. If you have to take a call, please take your 18 call outside of our room. Cheering, booing, applause or 19 other outbursts are not necessary and interfere with the 20 ability of the court reporter to develop an accurate 21 transcript. 22 Because there is a large number of 23 attendees and speakers relative to the time necessary, 24 and the amount of time allocated, so I'll ask that each 25 one limit their remarks to four to five minutes, and

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1 that's a pretty long time, for those of you that have 2 done any public speaking; that's a pretty long time. 3 Each speaker will get one chance to 4 speak, so make sure that --- to make sure that everyone 5 gets their opportunity. So I ask that whatever you want 6 to say, you do it in your first shot. Each speaker, and 7 I'll repeat this a couple of times, should start by 8 stating their name, and if their name is difficult to 9 spell, if it's not Smith, then please spell their name so 10 the court reporter gets it accurately. And we'll ask 11 that you also give your address for the court reporter, 12 and make sure that is also understood or spelled. If you 13 want to speak, what we will do is actually ask you to 14 raise your hand, and we'll try to get around to everyone 15 that wants to speak, and we'll just try to bounce around 16 the room today and pick out speakers as they go, but 17 everyone that will want to speak will get the 18 opportunity. 19 At this point I'd like to ask the 20 Staff, the Applicant and CAD to make their presence known 21 and talk a little bit about their particular part of this 22 public hearing. We also want to welcome Wendy back to 23 her home college. I'm not sure --- can you do the fight 24 song as well? 25 ATTORNEY BRASWELL:

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1 We didn't really have a fight song. 2 I'm going to try to talk into this sideways so I can see 3 while I talk to you. I hope you can hear me. My name is 4 Wendy Braswell, and I'm an attorney for the Commission 5 Staff. For those of you who may not understand 6 necessarily how the Commission functions and how it's set 7 up, the Commission in a case like this, as Commissioner 8 McKinney explained, the three Commissioners, two 9 Commissioners and a Chairman, are functioning basically 10 just in this proceeding. So in cases like this, the 11 Commission Staff independently investigates the case and 12 makes recommendations to the Commission. And we do that 13 in most cases before the Commission, and that's from the 14 smallest PSC water Complaint. If PSC billed your water 15 incorrectly or your water pressure is inadequate or if 16 you're having problems with your gas coverage, something 17 like that, in all of those cases we do an independent 18 investigation and submit recommendations. And we're 19 doing the same thing in this case. 20 We're conducting an independent 21 investigation of the Applicant's Claim that the PATH 22 transmission line is necessary. Some of the 23 investigation is being done by our Staff engineers, Wayne 24 Perdue and Don Walker. Don is with us today; Wayne 25 isn't. And if the company's case is so specialized, we

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1 may have consultants to assist us with part of the 2 analysis for this case, because this is a very 3 specialized, difficult kind of case. It's not the kind 4 of thing that we hear every day; the Commission sees 5 every day, reviews it every day. But I do want to thank 6 you for showing up. 7 I think that you're citizens of the 8 state and your voice is as important as mine or anyone 9 else's in the room today, and we look forward to hearing 10 your comments. I also want to let you know that Don and 11 I will be available after the hearing if you'd like to 12 talk. And for those of you who are from Buckhannon or 13 here at the college, I do want to thank you for your 14 graciousness and for your kindness. Thank you. 15 ATTORNEY SADE: 16 My name's Tony Sade. I'm with the 17 Consumer Advocate Division of the Public Service 18 Commission. We're an independent division of the 19 Commission created by the legislature to represent the 20 interests of resident ratepayers. With me here today is 21 the director of our office, Byron Harris. We are 22 participating in this proceeding as a party and will 23 proceed or participate throughout the case, up through 24 and including the hearing that will be held over a couple 25 of weeks and in February next year. Our role here today

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1 is to listen. We're going to stay around afterwards as 2 well. We have maps if any of you are curious about the 3 location of the line in regard to your property or 4 properties in which you might have an interest. And we'd 5 be happy to discuss any questions that you might have 6 about the process of a case like this. And thanks for 7 coming in. Thank you. 8 ATTORNEY MELICK: 9 Good afternoon. My name is Phil 10 Melick. I'm with Jackson Kelly law firm in Charleston, 11 West Virginia. With me today from Allegheny Energy's 12 legal department is Jennifer Petrisek. We're legal 13 counsel for the Applicant in this case. 14 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 15 Thank you. Would any intervenors what 16 are here today other than the ones that I already said 17 please stand and just make your presence noted? Thank 18 you all for attending. We're about ready to start. As 19 is our procedure, and I apologize. I didn't get through 20 the --- are there any elected officials that are here 21 today that would like to speak? We usually allow our 22 elected officials to speak first. 23 DELEGATE HAMILTON: 24 Delegate Hamilton. I don't want to 25 speak. I want to do it this evening.

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1 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 2 Okay. That's fine. 3 DELEGATE HAMILTON: 4 And we actually have two other 5 delegates, Delegate Pauley and Delegate Smith. 6 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 7 Very good. Thank you all for 8 attending. With that, we want to ask by a show of hands, 9 those that want to speak, please raise their hand. 10 That's easy. 11 MR. CVECHKO: 12 I'll be the ice breaker. Mr. Michael 13 Fink, can you hear me all right and everything? My name 14 is Steve Cvechko, and I'll spell that, C-V-E-C-H-K-O. 15 And I am a West Virginia resident, lifelong, and 32 years 16 were spent in Upshur County. I'm currently president of 17 a company called Central Contracting in St. Albans, West 18 Virginia, and we are a heavy highway firm that 19 specializes in providing civil and environmental 20 construction services to transmission line customers and 21 renewable energy customers. And I'd like to speak today 22 in support of PATH because of its importance in the need 23 to transport renewable energy generation to consumers, 24 and also because the economic development in West 25 Virginia that this line will create.

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1 In his inaugural address, President 2 Obama cited the development of a national upgrade of 3 electric grid as a key element in marking things solar, 4 wind, and geothermal energy and thus a critical component 5 in rebuilding our economy. And I quote Mr. Obama, the 6 state of the economy calls for action bold and swift, and 7 we will act not only to create new jobs but to lay a new 8 foundation for growth. We will build roads and bridges, 9 the electric grids and digital lines that feed our 10 commerce and bind us together. We will harness the sun 11 and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our 12 factories. End of quote. 13 Several days later, in his first 14 Saturday radio address, President Obama described the 15 need to build a national electric grid with clean solar 16 and wind energy from generation sites to America's cities 17 and to the Heartland. And I quote again, to accelerate 18 the creation of a clean energy economy, we will double 19 our capacity to generate alternative sources of energy 20 like wind, soil and bio fuels during the next three 21 years. We will begin to build a new electricity grid 22 that will lay down more than 3,000 miles of transmission 23 lines to convey this new energy from coast to coast. The 24 vast expansion of wind and solar power claimed by the 25 Obama administration and congressional leaders will be

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1 hindered by the nation's aged electricity network, as 2 confirmed recently by a report conducted by grid monitors 3 for the North American Electric Reliability Corporation, 4 known as NERC. The limiting factor in renewable power 5 growth is the inability to add sufficient lines to 6 accommodate new wind, soil and other regeneration 7 resources. 8 Also, the U.S. Department of Energy 9 concluded that insufficient transmission was the biggest 10 obstacle to meet 20 percent of the U.S. electricity 11 demand required for wind and several initiatives by 2030. 12 Thus, we need the PATH to provide the place to move 13 renewable power. West Virginia can benefit from this new 14 renewable energy economy in the form of wind , 15 hydroelectric generation and biomass power plants. Many 16 wind farms in this state are planned and in the 17 development stage. These wind farms provide local 18 construction jobs and permanent maintenance jobs. We 19 have hydroelectric facilities in this state that are 20 underutilized, can't get on the grid, because there's not 21 sufficient reliable grid to transport the electric from 22 these hydroelectric facilities. Also, we can add 23 hydroelectric facilities in dams such as Tygart and 24 Bluestone. Tygart, which is in this area. 25 The West Virginia Economic Development

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1 Authority announced last Friday that they were going to 2 issue $100 million in tax free bonds for a biomass power 3 generation facility in Mingo County. 4 According to the West Virginia Economic 5 Development Authority, there's 400 construction jobs will 6 be created by the biomass plant in Mingo County. Also, I 7 am a contractor on the TrAIL project, and I can tell you 8 how it improves and benefits the local economy. And we 9 have an Economic Recovery Reinvestment Act, the stimulus 10 act. West Virginia --- and this came from the governor's 11 office, and it'll be online October 31st, so you can 12 check this. According to the governor's office, West 13 Virginia will receive $1.6 billion in economic stimulus 14 money. That's for 55 counties. We're going to spend 15 about $250 million this year. PATH is a $1.8 billion 16 project, traverses essentially 15 counties, most of which 17 will be spent in West Virginia, about $550 million a 18 year. 19 Construction jobs are temporary, people 20 say; they may be. I have people here with me today that 21 will testify how important local construction jobs are in 22 their life. They're able to sustain their livelihood 23 until we come out of the worst recession since the Great 24 Depression. People say that construction jobs don't come 25 out of the local community. I have 100 people working

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1 for me on the TrAIL. Seventy-five (75) of them have come 2 directly from the counties and communities impacted this 3 line. The other 25 people were also West Virginia 4 people. And the jobs are high paying, full insurance, 5 company paid full insurance. Weekly payment up over 6 $1,500 a week, that's $62,000 to $70,000 a year. 7 Local suppliers and contractors 8 benefit. Six months, these are six months figures. In 9 six months I have purchased $4.7 million in stone, 10 aggregate, pipe, fabric and those type of supplies for 11 road stabilization and erosion control. Most of this 12 money was stone, and this stone was purchased in local 13 quarries, and people will testify that if it had not been 14 for the TrAIL project, their local quarries would have 15 shut down. This also represents over 100 independent 16 truckers. These guys just own their truck and they try 17 to make a living, eke out a living. They told me they'd 18 have lost their truck. These guys also, these 100 19 trucks, buy fuel, and you have a state motor fuel cuts. 20 I spent $600,000 for local services in 21 six months inside these communities. These are services 22 such as security, waste disposal, engineering, surveying, 23 port-a-potties. Believe it or not, this project is so 24 long that we have 40 --- just our little company has 40 25 port-a-potties on the site. And guys here in Buckhannon,

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1 that's a big economic benefit and stimulus to them. 2 We spent $750,000 in supplies. These 3 are fence, gates, tools, chainsaws, office supplies, 4 printing supplies, stuff like you buy at the local 5 Southern States or you buy at the Lowe's or you buy at 6 the local feed store. We spent $2 million in 7 subcontracting, for heavy equipment hauling and 8 revegetation services, all with West Virginia 9 contractors, $500,000 in diesel fuel, all West Virginia 10 suppliers. 11 In fact, this line, this PATH line, is 12 so important to this small community. We've simply spent 13 $105,000 in one small little mom-and-pop grocery store in 14 six months. That's a big economic stimulus for folks 15 like that, that pump gas in the front and live in the 16 back. And that doesn't count the ice, the pop and chips, 17 the breakfast, everything, and gas that our employees 18 bought there. Spent $1.8 million in equipment purchases. 19 Our company's --- just from companies like Walker 20 Equipment in Charleston, West Virginia. Rich Equipment, 21 who handles places here and in Clarksburg, in Buckhannon, 22 same thing. Leslie Equipment, how about 25 medium duty 23 American made trucks from local folks in areas where the 24 line crossed. 25 So basically ask for your support for

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1 PATH, it's a win-win situation for West Virginia. Our 2 President Obama has stated the need for an upgraded and 3 reliable energy grid, and I thank you for your time. 4 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 5 Thank you. Next speaker? Yes. That's 6 you. It's harder --- we're not quite --- cannot quite 7 see people as well, so I apologize for pointing and ---. 8 MR. LONG: 9 That's all right. I wish I'd prepared 10 a lot of remarks. My name is Patrick Long. I'm a 11 resident of Upshur County, 25 Heavner Road. Welcome to 12 Upshur County. Glad you all could come. I speak in two 13 capacities today, if you don't mind. They'll both be 14 short. First of all, as a Board of Ed member elected 15 here in Upshur County. I think that you all have 16 received our letter that we voted to send you in our 17 September meeting opposing PATH based on our feelings 18 that we were concerned about the health implications for 19 our students and our staff at Washington District 20 Elementary School, by which this PATH project passes very 21 closely if not touches upon part of the property. Just 22 wanted to reiterate that opposition publicly. Also as a 23 individual and as a citizen who is fairly close to where 24 this PATH project is going to be traversing, I had some 25 of my own concerns, but just recently this week, a matter

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1 of a couple days ago, I learned about something else that 2 I'd just like to repeat to you and I'll be done. And 3 I'll make this formal request, that in light of the 4 rejection and failure of AEP and Allegheny to 5 tell the Maryland PSC if they will reapply, the West 6 Virginia PSC should dismiss this case. The PATH line now 7 has no ending terminal. It is not the project described 8 in the West Virginia PSC application. We are moving into 9 the most expensive phase of the case for citizen 10 intervenors, County government intervenors and West 11 Virginia taxpayers paying for PSC staff. And as an 12 elected official, that's the thing that I am most 13 concerned about, is how I spend taxpayer money, and I 14 hope you all are too. The PSC should stop the case now 15 before all this money is wasted on a project that no 16 longer exists. Let the power companies come back and 17 reapply when they have a viable project. Thank you. 18 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 19 Thank you, Mr. Long. Yes, ma'am? 20 MS. SHIPMAN: 21 Hi. My name is Sudie, S-U-D-I-E, 22 Shipman. I can submit this paper afterwards so you can 23 have it. Would it be easier? 24 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 25 Please, would all those who have

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1 written comments that want to submit afterwards, please 2 hand them to our clerk, Joe, who will be glad to take 3 those for you. 4 MS. SHIPMAN: 5 Thank you. Commissioners, I want you 6 to know that I am exactly the demographically desirable 7 person that the governor has asked to return to our wild 8 and wonderful West Virginia. I left West Virginia in 9 1984 and returned to Barbour County and the family 10 in 2007. The PATH power line's proposed path borders the 11 back of my --- my family's 150 acre property. I am, of 12 course, opposed to this project for many reasons, the 13 first being that it directly affects my property value 14 and the beauty of my family farm. And also because it 15 potentially affects the health of my family living 16 adjacent to a power line of this magnitude. 17 Aside from personal reasons, I think I 18 bring a fresh perspective for West Virginia homeowners 19 from afar. The statistics here in our state are grim. 20 We are some of the poorest, least educated and 21 unhealthiest people in our nation. We are also remote, 22 even in the part of the northeast, due to our mountainous 23 rural areas. My family members are stewards to this 24 wilderness. We have 140 acres of park-like, pristine, 25 forested land that is threatened by this power line. Our

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1 absolute best asset, West Virginia's best asset, the very 2 wilderness that keeps us wild and wonderful, is now going 3 to be potentially scarred by this power line that will 4 cost the citizens of West Virginia, not benefit them. We 5 will pay for this project with taxes but receive no 6 benefits from it, and it will cost us more than taxes. 7 It also decreases our property values and threatens our 8 health and the health of our environment. 9 My family history in this state pre- 10 dates the Civil War. Generations of my family are buried 11 right here in Upshur County. And I am proud of my West 12 Virginia heritage. This is my home, and I love it for 13 its wilderness areas, and it adheres to a bygone era of 14 family values, family values that have one of our 15 Commissioners absent today because he's a grandfather. 16 Living off the land and living off adherence to family 17 values, living off the land, and recycling what is 18 restored, I grew up being green, because that's what our 19 family values are in this state. We work the land; we 20 love and live off of it. Environmental protection is not 21 new to West Virginia. It never left our citizens, 22 because it is our life and our livelihood. We're bound 23 and connected with our land. 24 This is an asset that should be 25 protected, celebrated and defended. It is our future,

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1 our wealth and our health in a world that is sorely 2 lacking what West Virginia has to offer. It's your duty 3 as Commissioners, stewards of our public services, to 4 protect this land and our citizens from big business that 5 only seeks, and I apologize this, but I feel that they 6 get to once again rape our state of its natural resources 7 and tax our citizens to pay for power to ---. It's time 8 to steer West Virginia into the 21st century, to be a 9 leader in conserving our land, protecting our environment 10 and celebrating our woodlands. We can certainly find 11 better ways to help the economy of West Virginia that 12 will in the end only benefit big business. 13 I would start by rejecting any projects 14 that threaten our land, our people and our livelihood. I 15 would start by rejecting the PATH project and steering 16 the state into projects that really benefit West Virginia 17 and West Virginians. PATH is a project whose time has 18 passed. It reflects an old paradigm, and technology is 19 moving ground to cleaner and greener energy sources, and 20 it is my understanding this is a -based power line. 21 Let West Virginia be a state that is racing into the 22 future, a future that clearly reflects our values, our 23 way of living. Let West Virginia be an example and a 24 leader in making statements to the rest of the country 25 that we know the value of our environment and support

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1 greener, cleaner ways to power our future that will --- 2 something that will shortly become outdated and obsolete. 3 Thank you. 4 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 5 Thank you. As I told you earlier, 6 applause really overflows the sound, and I do appreciate 7 it. We do want to get through all of the people that 8 want to speak. I see a hand in the back over here. Go 9 ahead. 10 MR. LAPP: 11 Good afternoon. My name is Ken Lapp. 12 I'm the Director of Employment for Action Facilities 13 Management. And I'm speaking for West Virginia small 14 business that has benefited from projects ---. 15 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 16 Spell your last name, please. 17 MR. LAPP: 18 Lapp, L-A-P-P, speaking for West 19 Virginia small business that has directly benefited from 20 projects such as this, the PATH project. We are 21 currently a contractor on the TrAIL project. We provide 22 the security services for that project and the mission is 23 to protect local wildlife, the environment, private 24 residences, and create a safe and secure environment for 25 the workers and the public so that the project may move

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1 forward fruitfully and safely for everyone. 2 As to helping the local economy, we 3 have employed nearly 80 people, all local hires, to every 4 community that we've been in, stretching from Mount 5 Morris, all the way over to the Virginia 6 line. We've spent close to half a million dollars in 7 equipment and supplies. Most of that we've spent in West 8 Virginia to support our officers in their mission. Our 9 officers are not all ex-military or former employees. 10 Some are radio broadcasters, school teachers, farmers, 11 folks that have worked on poultry farms, folks that we 12 saw that there was --- had integrity in --- and are 13 inherently West Virginia, and brought something to the 14 project. Trained them, brought them forth and gave them 15 a mission. 16 With that being said, that was a direct 17 benefit to each of those communities, some as many as 18 five, some as many as thirty in a community where jobs 19 were scarce and tough to be had. It is our contention 20 that projects like these do help the economy. Can I 21 speak to the environment or people's farm? No, I can't. 22 I'm not an expert on that. But I can tell you that we 23 have had a very positive impact, a professional and 24 cordial impact, on the communities being serviced. Thank 25 you.

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1 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 2 Thank you, Mr. Lapp. I see a hand from 3 the far back? 4 MR. WILFONG: 5 Yes. 6 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 7 Go ahead. 8 MR. WILFONG: 9 I got here a couple minutes late. 10 Would you like to have my name and address? 11 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 12 Yeah. Give us your name, address, and 13 spell your last name if it's ---. 14 MR. WILFONG: 15 The name is Roger Wilfong, last name 16 spelled W-I-L-F-O-N-G. I'm a resident of Rock Cave in 17 Northern Upshur County. My initial motivation to learn 18 what I --- first of all. Excuse me. Thank you first for 19 being here today. We do appreciate you coming up to the 20 County. My initial motivation to learn what I could 21 about PATH was the result of the severely negative direct 22 impact it will have on the 254 acre tract of real estate 23 that a partner and I have had a purchase agreement on for 24 several months. That property will finally be closed on 25 within the next 30 days. My petition to intervene was

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1 denied because my letter of application was filed a few 2 days late, which I accept that's my fault. 3 After learning what I could from the 4 folks much more knowledgeable than me of how the process 5 works, I realized that my personal and my negative 6 personal desire to protect our land and the investments 7 we have on them, that land, and a huge negative that the 8 construction of PATH would bring, are in fact not the 9 most important issues that will be questioned, debated or 10 argued in the application before you, but rather the 11 genuine need of the construction is what I think you're 12 going to make your decision on, as you determine the true 13 need. 14 First of all, Webster's defines need as 15 a requirement. Webster's also defines want as a desire. 16 And I just --- throughout my few working statements, to 17 raise the difference that I'll try --- will make short, 18 but I'll come back to that, the difference between a need 19 and a desire or a want. So I started learning what I 20 could about the true need of the project. Lots of data 21 suggests that there in fact is not a genuine need for the 22 project, but rather a desire by the Applicants for this 23 project that would render huge profits for years to come 24 for them, the Applicants. From my research it appears 25 that some of the facts involving the project are PATH

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1 would certainly direct more than 6,000 acres of land in 2 West Virginia and take it out of production or use by the 3 current owners, not to mention all the negative effects 4 it will have on their adjoining neighbors. Also, I guess 5 you could spend days debating the potential health issues 6 of the residents, the wildlife, the plants, what issues 7 environmentally we have later, when we come back to spray 8 to control the weeds, the grass, the helicopters coming 9 and cutting and disturbing livestock, just huge things 10 there. Once again, that has nothing to do with need. 11 That's a desire or want. 12 West Virginia and its neighbor with 13 their report --- excuse me. West Virginians and their 14 neighbors to the west that are part of a system will bear 15 like 40 percent of the cost, whereas people that are 16 receiving the benefit are not making any of the 17 sacrifices, in the New England area, basically, are, you 18 know, we're paying a lot of what I would think they would 19 be paying, or the power companies themselves would be 20 paying, not putting it back in our laps. 21 The next thing I learned was a phrase 22 called demand side management. And I guess I'm unaware 23 of demand side management. When I was a kid, and we were 24 leaving a room at night, or leaving in a room in the 25 daytime, there was a light switch there. Any implement

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1 that was made that you had electricity consumption, when 2 we were finished with it, my dad would tell you to turn 3 the switch off. That's very fundamental, but to me 4 that's demand side management. Let's start thinking 5 about ways to conserve rather than ways to increase 6 consumption. And the way I understand the federal 7 regulations, and I apologize for not knowing the 8 regulations as how far they transcend down into state 9 regulations, that mandates what you folks can or can't 10 do. The demand side management is certainly offered as a 11 solution, and I would think it should be something that 12 would be a first solution, not something that has hardly 13 been touched. And I guess in today's world, the demand 14 side management example might be first week of August in 15 , that's where the power's going, it's 98 16 degrees, maybe you turn off your air conditioner for two 17 minutes out of the hour. That was an example I read 18 someplace in the data research. But to me, it makes a 19 lot of sense to try that. 20 My next here set of data comes directly 21 from the Wall Street Journal , which I will believe, you 22 know, before you agree with or disagree with, do have 23 some expertise in their contributors know something about 24 events. Utilities have long encountered a sale growth of 25 one to two percent annually in the U.S., and they have

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1 created complex operating and expansion plans to meet the 2 needs for the growing population. First, they're going 3 to have a one to two percent increase. Now, executives 4 from various huge utilities, and they're coming out with 5 comments, where this gentleman who's with Duke Energy of 6 Charlotte, we're in a period where growth is going to be 7 challenged. So the people that are running the ship are 8 acknowledging the growth in electrical consumption we're 9 always going to be challenging. It may not keep it at 10 one to two percent growth. So it goes on and on. 11 It's something interesting, with 12 examples by different executives listed here in this 13 article, it gets down to one by , 14 which somewhere in my research I found out, which owns 15 utilities in 11 states, saw total electricity consumption 16 drop 3.1 percent in the same period for the prior year. 17 And then my residential customers dropped 7.2 percent. 18 So acknowledged by them, and Mr. Michael Morris, whether 19 he's still Chief Executive of AEP or not I don't know, 20 but at the time this article was written he was. One of 21 the country's largest utilities says he thinks the 22 industry should be worried about breaking ground on 23 expensive new projects. The message is, according to Mr. 24 Morris, quotation, be cautious about what you build, 25 because we may not have the demand to justify the

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1 expense. Well, anyway, and there's lots of data to 2 suggest that historically utilities can overstate their 3 needs, and certainly within the framework, and this is, 4 with all due respect and no disrespect, when you have a 5 company that operates under the Public Service Commission 6 that have --- they get two things. One thing, they get 7 motivation from the Service Commission, and certainly 8 they get some protection from the Service Commission. So 9 they need the protection, I understand, to make the big 10 investment to provide the services long term that we all 11 need. But I guess I've asked them, just be cautious, 12 that there is a disproportionate amount of overstatement 13 in some of those needs. And just let me look through one 14 more time. 15 Anyway, I'm a resident of this county. 16 I, in fact, live in this county, and I just think we can 17 --- with that we can have both, we can keep our county 18 and other parts of West Virginia like they are without 19 tearing up more of it, and we can be satisfied without 20 taking 6,000 acres of new ground out of use and away from 21 the owners that currently have it. So again, I certainly 22 oppose it. I am no way in opposition to construction, 23 resource development whatsoever. My professional career 24 was spent as a sales person with Caterpillar Tractor, and 25 when it came to mining, production, forestry,

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1 all that, I will be one of them here to say let's do it. 2 This is a different ballgame. On this one there is an 3 alternative. And I just can't see why you would jump at 4 something that is going to certainly be profitable, but 5 profitable for a select few. And it's going to be 6 disruptive, and a negative impact on lots of landowners 7 along the 224 mile route that is proposed in West 8 Virginia. So please, please make sure it meets the level 9 you're looking for of need 100 percent and not desire and 10 other form of profitability that the landowners get 11 nothing from and a few select people make billions from. 12 Thank you. 13 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 14 Thank you, Mr. Wilfong. Please, I've 15 asked a couple of times. Please hold the applause. Yes, 16 sir. 17 MR. HALE: 18 Hello. My name is William Nicoll Hale. 19 That's Hale, H-A-L-E. And I reside in Lewis County, West 20 Virginia. I am here representing the Lewis County 21 Concerned Citizens, who arranged two meetings in the 22 county to let the residents and property owners know of 23 the proposed build of PATH transmission line to 24 properties in West Virginia. I have here the copies of 25 petitions gathered at these meetings and written issues

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1 of concern of those attending, which I will now give the 2 Public Service Commission representatives. 3 Lewis County Concerned Citizens have 4 attempted to obtain the names of those property owners 5 directly within 2,200 feet of the proposed line affected 6 by PATH by asking the PATH representatives to share their 7 information. This was asked as television ads for county 8 PATH stated how much the proponents wanted to cooperate 9 with the citizens. However, our request was denied by 10 PATH representatives, stating, in quotes, privacy 11 concerns prevented them from sharing the list. As this 12 information is a matter of public record, in cooperation 13 voiced in the PATH TV ads seems grossly 14 misrepresentative. We wanted a list to let property 15 owners know of their rights. 16 As a West Virginia resident and 17 citizen, I oppose PATH for many reasons. The PATH 18 transmission line proposed will not serve West Virginia 19 ratepayers. There is no plan to augment electricity to 20 any West Virginian in any way as a result of those lines. 21 No. They are to be put into effect so that energy may be 22 sold to the east coast. That this would make West 23 Virginia the boiler room of the U.S. seems to make no 24 difference to the proponents. However, ten east coast 25 governors have declared they want no part of coal

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1 submitted --- harmful carbon emissions as they're going 2 to be, but want to use wind power which they generate 3 themselves. Electric rates of West Virginia residents 4 will rise in order to pay for this PATH line. 5 Number three, property values for West 6 Virginia residents on or near the line will decrease. 7 Families who have loved and cared for their farms and 8 homes for generations will lose them. Number four, 9 health concerns are voiced as a result of much research 10 showing those lines can be harmful, especially to our 11 children. 12 Number five, our environment was being 13 threatened by this proposal. James Hansen, director of 14 the Goddard Institute for Space Study for nearly three 15 decades, published the first major scientific paper to 16 show that global warming is driven by manmade pollution. 17 He warns climate change is happening even faster than 18 scientists predicted and with far greater devastation. 19 We are already getting more forest fires in the 20 southwest; mountain glaciers all around the world are 21 receding faster than we expected. This might mean that 22 places like could be gone in several decades 23 underwater. Furthermore, James Hansen states that the 24 only practical solution to climate change is the things 25 now called emissions. And this line being approved will

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1 promote more coal fired furnaces, more mountain top 2 removal. 3 Number six, our safety. Putting such 4 enlarged electric lines in our state makes us the target 5 for terrorists, and falling lines can kill people, and 6 they have in the past, and having watched the television 7 ads of the PATH supporters, I question their 8 truthfulness. They say they are for West Virginia's 9 usage of electric power. They aren't. They say they are 10 cooperating with West Virginia property owners, yet many 11 stories already of that lacking. If they can't be 12 truthful in their advertising, can we trust anything they 13 say? 14 Number eight, infrastructure problems. 15 I understand the Forestry Department is concerned because 16 I've been told that when the lines are constructed, the 17 trees are cut down and left damaged and unsafe, and this 18 will be a nightmare for the Department. Then there are 19 other concerns, roads being built, access to the lines, 20 fire dangers. It is well known that when trees are 21 downed, still grass takes over, kills all the young 22 trees, indigenous four and five and is a huge fire hazard 23 as a furnace so hot. 24 Number nine, it threatens one of our 25 biggest industries, tourism. Who is going to want to

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1 come to visit wild, wonderful West Virginia when it 2 becomes a flat, devastated boiler room of the U.S.? Who 3 is going to want to buy land here when they hear people 4 are being moved by eminent domain for private interests? 5 What work will there be when the last mountain is gone? 6 I ask the Public Service Commission to do the right 7 thing. Stop PATH. I ask West Virginia legislatures and 8 leaders to stop subsidizing the coal industry. Start 9 feeding green jobs and green energy in West Virginia. 10 Retrain the coal miners and reclaim West Virginia for its 11 citizens and for the God that made it beautiful, and most 12 of all for the health of our children. Thank you. 13 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 14 Thank you, Mr. Hale. Blue shirt. Blue 15 shirt. Blue shirt. 16 MR. RAMEY: 17 Good afternoon. My name's Eric Ramey. 18 My address is 3 Park Road, Nitro, West Virginia. 19 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 20 Can you spell your last name? 21 MR. RAMEY: 22 R-A-M like Mary-E-Y. Today I'm 23 speaking on behalf of Cecil I. Walker Machinery. We're 24 an equipment dealer in the southern part of the state. 25 As a company, we believe in all types of infrastructure

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1 development and maintenance as infrastructure will allow 2 us to go about our everyday lives and keep the economy of 3 the world running. In this case, electric infrastructure 4 is no different from roads, gas pipelines, bridges, phone 5 service, cell towers or water lines. Our power companies 6 have done such a consistent job of producing and 7 transmitting electricity over the last 100 years that we 8 don't even think about it. We don't even think about 9 where it comes from or how it got to our homes or 10 businesses. To maintain this level of service, periodic 11 improvements are required. The need for improvement is 12 further compounded by the expected increase in demand for 13 electricity in the near term that will only continue to 14 grow over the next 20 years. Think of traffic on the 15 highway. During rush hour there are many more cars on 16 the road; it can cause traffic jams and delays, which can 17 lead to unsafe driving conditions. To alleviate the 18 problem, we add a lane to the road or build a new road to 19 allow traffic to flow more freely. 20 In the next several years we're going 21 to be asking our electrical grid to carry a lot more 22 power. We have more flat panel TVs, iPods, computers, 23 and seem to be many more electric vehicles using record 24 amounts of electricity. By adding additional 25 transmission lines, the power companies are investing

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1 $1.8 billion in secure, reliable electrical power for our 2 future. In addition to providing reliable power, meeting 3 current demand and the demand of the future, improving 4 electrical infrastructure will also benefit our local 5 economies by providing additional tax revenue for the 6 state and counties that the new lines will pass through. 7 It will also create jobs for construction and maintenance 8 of the new line as well as new jobs at various power 9 stations and plants in the state. In this economy, every 10 job opportunity is important. Reliable infrastructure is 11 the foundation upon which our economy is constructed. 12 Thank you for the opportunity to voice Cecil I. Walker 13 Machinery's opinion today. 14 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 15 Thank you, Mr. Ramey. The gentleman in 16 the black shirt, please? 17 MR. HELTON: 18 My name is John Helton, H-E-L-T-O-N. 19 My address is Route 4, Box 530, Buckhannon. I feel that 20 America was founded for the little guy. America itself 21 was the little guy in the Revolutionary War, and he came 22 out on top. But it seems that over many years our 23 country has forgotten this, or at least those in power 24 have forgotten this. These days everything that happens 25 in America only benefits big corporations and only makes

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1 rich individuals richer. That's exactly what PATH is 2 going to do. It benefits all us little guys in no way 3 whatsoever. As I'm very proud of West Virginia, I feel 4 it is my duty and the duty of my neighbors to say that 5 West Virginia will not support PATH. West Virginia will 6 protect its citizens and will not harm them to make huge 7 corporations well in status. West Virginia will not mar 8 its beauty for a ridiculous, unneeded electrical 9 transmission line. It fathoms me how anyone can support 10 the PATH when it will only be going on. It will reduce 11 the value of our properties, cause potential hazards to 12 our health, raise our energy costs and create a very long 13 scar across our beautiful mountains. I say no to PATH, 14 and for those of you in power who are listening to me 15 today, I pray you do the same. 16 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 17 Thank you, Mr. Hilton. Yes, ma'am? 18 MS. HOOVER: 19 Good afternoon. My name is Katherine, 20 K-A-T-H-E-R-I-N-E, Hoover. I live on Route 20 in 21 Harrison County. And I appreciate being here today. I 22 think one of the problems with meetings like this is that 23 construction on PATH has already began. Trees have been 24 cut and this is really an after the fact sort of meeting. 25 So chances that my speech here today will do much good is

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1 minimal, but I will give the facts as I see them. First 2 of all, firstly, I'm not opposed at all to the use of 3 coal or coal mining. And one of the problems with coal 4 mines in West Virginia is the lack of the ability to 5 build a new underground mine because of permitting. 6 That's not related to this project. The power lines are 7 a severe health hazard to individuals. The Commissioner 8 whose grandchild was born today should be completely 9 opposed to the input of this electric line. 10 There was a book written, probably 20 11 years ago, called The Electricity Around Us Is Hazardous 12 To Your Health (sic), written by my friend Ellen 13 Sugarman. It has details, the risk of brain tumors in 14 children. I support Mr. Long for being here to protect 15 the children of Upshur County and all of West Virginia. 16 I think it's certainly possible to provide new jobs, 17 economic opportunity that's long term instead of short 18 term. When we put in a power line, we have jobs for a 19 couple years and then that's it. We put in small 20 industry, local generation of power, local generators, 21 solar energy; all of those types of energy can be put in 22 without adding the grid. You may or may not be aware the 23 grid failed and there was a blackout for a huge part of 24 the country. You know, power lines are not invincible. 25 They can be --- hurricanes come through; we've had them

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1 here in the past, and there goes your power. So if you 2 have solar panels on your roof, you still have power, and 3 you can sell that power to the power company. Maybe 4 Allegheny Power should be subsidizing solar power on 5 houses and buying that power instead of spending billions 6 to a few large contractors and benefit every citizen in 7 West Virginia. I think this is another example of 8 sucking energy out of West Virginia with great damage and 9 no payback. As I stated, there are healthy alternatives 10 to putting in a power line of this magnitude. The health 11 risks have already been documented, and I think you as 12 family men, obviously, the Commissioner as a family 13 person, need to think first of the children and future 14 generations of West Virginia who will have a negative 15 impact on their health. Thank you. 16 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 17 Thank you. Yes, sir, in the blue. 18 MR. FOSTER: 19 Thank you very much for the opportunity 20 to speak today. I'm Ron Foster. I own the Foster Supply 21 Company in Scott Depot, West Virginia. We have another 22 location in Harrison County. I also own the A Plus 23 Medical, which does medical equipment, and own a company 24 called the Environmental Construction Company. We 25 brought many products to the market that are what I would

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1 consider to be green products. Many of the projects that 2 we have worked on, including the PATH project, utilize 3 many of those green products. Construction nowadays is 4 not nearly as intrusive as it has been in the past. I 5 sit around and I hear people talking about this project 6 much like the same discussion about corridor B, corridor 7 B, corridor L. Many of the projects that have been a 8 part of why West Virginia is successful, and we do have 9 one of the lower unemployments in this nation. If we go 10 forth and try to stop projects that actually create jobs, 11 and if you look at all the local --- or all the national 12 polls, the number one thing people are concerned about is 13 jobs. If you do not allow programs like the PATH project 14 to go forward, that's a job killer. It's not only a job 15 killer for that project, but many of the wind farms that 16 would be funding into that. Those are projects that 17 would not have employees on them either. 18 I represent in those three companies 19 about 130 of the little people that the gentleman just 20 talked about. Let me tell you about those little people. 21 If we don't have projects that we can provide the 22 materials on, then those little people lose their jobs. 23 And you know, if you don't have a job and you can't feed 24 your child, then that's something that I think is more of 25 a health issue than anything else. We have to provide

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1 proper food, clothing and nurturing for those 2 individuals. I'm a very strong supporter of this project 3 and would like to go on the record as being so. Thank 4 you. 5 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 6 Thank you, Mr. Foster. Yes, sir? 7 MR. GRAY: 8 Yes. My name is Grant Gray. I'm a 9 resident of Campbell County, West Virginia. 10 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 11 Can you spell your last name, sir? 12 MR. GRAY: 13 My last name is spelled G-R-A-Y. I'm 14 here, I guess, wearing three hats. One, as a business 15 manager of International Brotherhood of Electrical 16 Workers, Local 317. That represents the ---. 17 COMMISSIONER STAATS: 18 Are you a member of the construction 19 trades ---? 20 MR. GRAY: 21 The linemen do not belong to building 22 trades. 23 COMMISSIONER STAATS: 24 Is your union a member of the 25 construction trade council?

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1 MR. GRAY: 2 A portion of them are. Not the people 3 that do this kind of work. We're not an intervenor in 4 this. 5 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 6 Go ahead. 7 MR. GRAY: 8 We represent 338 outside branch people, 9 linemen and associated crafts. We represented the ones 10 on the Jackson-Ferry project. We represent the 11 ones on the TrAIL project right now. 206 of those 338 12 people are residents of West Virginia. That project is 13 going to take approximately 400 people. We don't have 14 the people to do that. It will give us the opportunity 15 and the residents of these areas the opportunity to start 16 a friendship and establish a career to make a living for 17 them and their family. These are not low paying jobs. 18 Total package on these jobs is somewhere in the mid- 19 $40,000. It's an apprenticeship program for the linemen 20 and associated crafts would be mostly hired from their 21 surrounding areas. 22 This project's 226 miles long, I 23 believe, close thereabouts. At any given time, 75 24 percent of those people are going to be staying out of 25 town. Their out of town expenses is about $400 a week

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1 apiece. That's a big impact on a small business. We're 2 talking clothing. We're talking fuel. We're talking 3 meals. It's a tremendous impact as it goes through that 4 project. At any given time, 75 percent of those people 5 would be staying in those local areas. 6 I'm also a trustee on the health and 7 welfare plan, which all of these people are provided 8 health and welfare. Before I came up here, I checked our 9 fiscal year ending September 30. Our prescription drugs 10 and our major medical spent, all of them wasn't on these 11 linemen, but they are a part of this plan, was $13 12 million. That's a significant input into the state also. 13 These people that want to start their apprenticeship, 14 it's not just a job for them. It's a career. We educate 15 them. I'm a trustee on a training program over eight 16 states and to Washington, D.C. We haven't had an 17 opportunity except here lately with the TrAIL project to 18 start new apprentices that will give us an opportunity 19 and the people of West Virginia an opportunity to start a 20 career. I am in full support of the PATH project. Thank 21 you. 22 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 23 Thank you, Mr. Gray. Yes, ma'am? 24 MS. MARTIN: 25 Can you hear me? My name is Melissa

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1 Martin, and I am from French Creek, West Virginia. I am 2 here to make a few statements and to ask a few questions 3 to think about. 4 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 5 If you would step a little closer? 6 MS. MARTIN: 7 Closer, is that good? 8 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 9 That's better. And your last name is 10 Martin, M-A-R-T-I-N? 11 MS. MARTIN: 12 Uh-huh (yes). 13 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 14 Thank you. 15 MS. MARTIN: 16 I want you to think for just a moment. 17 What two words you would use to describe West Virginia? 18 Almost heaven; right? Will we be able to call West 19 Virginia almost heaven if we put these power lines up? 20 Not only would these power lines destroy many of our 21 wonderful forests and natural resources, but they have 22 the potential of completely changing the people's lives 23 and lifestyles by taking their hard earned and hard 24 worked land away from them. I do understand this could 25 potentially create jobs for some West Virginians. But

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1 what will happen to those people and jobs when the power 2 lines are not in use or in need anymore? Why are we only 3 thinking about the short term fix? What about the long 4 run? If most states are trying to become less dependent 5 of our energy resources, why would they build something 6 that might only be used for a few years and then just sit 7 in our backyards forever? And since it would take over 8 four years to build, what might happen in those four 9 years that could change of us using what kind of power we 10 would be using? Let's think about other options such as 11 smaller grids or wind power. Not only would these save 12 money, time and the environment, but it also gives us 13 better homeland security. With one big power line, there 14 is potential for huge blackouts. What could happen to 15 our country if something like that happened? I want to 16 keep my home safe and beautiful. I want to be able to 17 have a family in the wonderful hills of West Virginia. I 18 don't think I could raise a family where the lines run so 19 close to my family home that the risk of leukemia 20 increases by 70 percent. I'd hate to think that I would 21 have to move away from my home among the hills because of 22 something we don't even need. Let's keep West Virginia 23 the way it has been, wild and wonderful, for years to 24 come for our families and for future West Virginians to 25 appreciate the awe and beauty of our lovely state.

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1 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 2 Okay. Thank you. We really haven't 3 had the problem of applause before. I do appreciate if 4 you all could hold that down. Yes, sir? 5 MR. PRINGLE: 6 Yes. 7 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 8 I can't see. I'm sorry. 9 MR. PRINGLE: 10 Good afternoon. My name is David 11 Pringle. I live at Route 9, Box 562, Buckhannon, a 12 little community called Tallmansville just outside of 13 Buckhannon. 14 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 15 David, would you spell your last name? 16 MR. PRINGLE: 17 P-R-I-N-G-L-E. I'm 51 years old. I've 18 been a lifelong resident of Tallmansville, West Virginia, 19 a community through which the PATH proposed project is 20 supposed to run. I think I can provide a perspective 21 that maybe you'll not be able to hear anywhere else, but 22 if you can, I certainly applaud that effort. My 23 ancestors came to this area in 1764. My ancestor was the 24 first white man in this area. After living three years 25 among the Indians, he went back to Virginia and then

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1 brought the first white people here, so he was the 2 founder of Buckhannon. My great-great-grandfather was 3 the founder of Tallmansville, where the rest of us have 4 lived ever since. My ancestors came here. For the last 5 245 years we've hunted, fished, walked, farmed these 6 hills uninterrupted, and hopefully through my son and his 7 offspring, we can do it for another 250 years. 8 Now, my son is the reason I'm here 9 today, because I don't want him and 139 others like him 10 at Washington District Elementary School to have to live 11 with the legacy that certain members of this generation 12 would like to impose on them for the sake of profit for 13 themselves without providing anything in return for us 14 except higher utility bills. You know someone somewhere 15 has to pay for all this. You don't create money out of 16 thin air. We'll pay for all this with higher utility 17 rates. 18 Like countless of his predecessors, my 19 son is starting his education in the local Tallmansville 20 school known as Washington District Elementary. But 21 unlike the generations before him, he and his classmates 22 face something of such a long lasting consequence with no 23 benefit to him whatsoever that it is unlikely they or any 24 after them will ever see the return to the normalcy of 25 the land and community that we enjoy today. Down through

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1 the generations, West Virginia's people and its resources 2 have been exploited by every sort of profiteer from 3 resident barons to coal mine owners to chemical 4 companies. Every one of them has left its mark on our 5 land and our people until the profits dried up, and then 6 they moved on, leaving us to pick up the pieces, clean up 7 the mess, get on with our lives, while nature sets out to 8 reclaim what they have done to her as well. 9 Like so many other West Virginia 10 communities, Tallmansville has seen the comings and 11 goings of the railroads, the mine owners and others in 12 search of property. When the railroads left us, they 13 abandoned their right-of-ways, leaving scars through 14 hills and farms, tunnels through the mountains, for us to 15 do something with. When the mines were abandoned, they 16 left open caverns, flat top mountains and abandoned 17 buildings, tipples, et cetera, across the landscape, 18 polluting our streams with acid mine drainage and other 19 chemicals. I happen to know this for a fact. I grew up 20 in a coal company house on abandoned mine land. The 21 stream that ran through our property was not able to even 22 support crawfish, because of the orange acid mine 23 drainage that drained through it. 24 Now we face the latest in a long line 25 of these profiteers who promise us the moon but will give

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1 back less than any who came before them. We have to some 2 degree recovered from PATH's predecessors and the scars 3 they left behind. After two or three generations, nature 4 hides the worst of these from view while we continue to 5 work on the rest. 6 But PATH has a scar 224 miles long and 7 200 feet wide that will never heal, because its very 8 nature demands that it must always remain clear of timber 9 and visible from hilltop to hilltop for miles on end. 10 Like most other West Virginians that were not directly 11 affected by the right-of-way, I was still against it on 12 the principle that others would lose their land use, 13 timber rights, see decreased property values because of 14 it while getting no benefit whatsoever from it, and we 15 would all be forced to bear the brunt of its existence on 16 a daily basis by seeing it, by seeing the work on it, by 17 hearing it, and on a monthly basis when we pay higher 18 utility bills for generations to come so someone 19 somewhere else can stop worrying that their electric 20 might go off while the air conditioner's on. 21 I became involved on a personal basis 22 when I learned that the proposed line would run within 23 1,200 feet of my son's school. I attended the very next 24 school board meeting, which happened to be at the Union 25 School, to find out more about it. That meeting was

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1 attended by a power company representative, Mr. Friddle. 2 As I listened to him talk of power line and downplay its 3 risks, I was struck by two things. One, the apparent 4 ease with which he threw around the phrase 765 kilovolts, 5 and the fact that to me he represented the type of people 6 I had dealt with years ago while an employee of a 7 subcontractor for Monongahela Power. I had no intention 8 of speaking that night, but was moved to because of what 9 I heard. You see, from 1979 to 1982 I worked in four 10 different capacities for Asplundh Tree Company, clearing 11 right-of-ways and substations for Monongahela Power. The 12 average person has no idea of the voltage on the lines 13 that supply their homes, and when you start using phrases 14 like 765 kilovolts, they are totally in the dark, and 15 maybe that's why they use such terms. The single line 16 supplying our homes are 7,200 volts to the transformer, 17 which reduces the voltage to 220 volts for household use. 18 I told the people there that when Mr. Friddle was saying 19 765 kilovolts that that meant nothing to the people, but 20 to put it into a perspective they could understand would 21 be to say that it was only 10,000 volts short of being 22 three quarters of a million volts. 23 Now, I know these things and many 24 others from working for Asplundh Tree Company. My first 25 job was as a chainsaw operator, later as a tree climber

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1 for a bucket truck crew clearing lines in residential 2 areas. I also worked on a spray crew, spraying buffer 3 zones on lines where the helicopters were not allowed to 4 spray. Helicopters spraying is the most cost efficient 5 way to keep large lines like PATH free of vegetation that 6 left unchecked disrupts power during storms. The 7 helicopters are not allowed to spray close to homes, 8 streams or gardens because of wind drift of the 9 chemicals. These buffer zones are sprayed from the truck 10 by hand with hoses and guns or by backpack sprayers on 11 individuals. We use Amazene (phonetic), which is a broad 12 weed killer, for spraying substations, and use Amazene 13 Tordon, which is a deciduous herbicide, mixed with 14 Serpetal (phonetic), which is a spray adjuvant that binds 15 the molecules of the other two chemicals together, in 16 theory keeping it from drifting in wind. I can assure 17 you it will still drift, and even we had to stay so many 18 feet away from lawns, gardens, streams and ditches. 19 We could walk up to the largest tree 20 you can imagine, in full leaf, in the height of summer, 21 spray as high into the leaves as we could reach, spray 22 the tree bark and soak the ground out of the drip heads 23 of the tree limbs with our chemicals. If we returned the 24 next day, the tree would look as if it had been through a 25 killing frost during the night. We were assured there

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1 was not a tree you could not kill. I have worked in and 2 under just about every type of line you can imagine up to 3 a 500 kilovolt line, which is basically the same thing as 4 the PATH line, except it is only a half a million volts. 5 Long before you walk under the line, you can hear its 6 hum. And by the time you are under the outer line, you 7 can feel the effects of the electrical field. Standing 8 anywhere under just a 500 KV line, all the hairs on your 9 body not held down by clothes will stand on end, and your 10 heart beats faster while you feel a slight adrenaline 11 rush and a strange sensation around the diaphragm. Now, 12 this is not to be confused with the feeling of anxiety or 13 fear, but I believe it is caused by the electromagnetic 14 fields affecting the nervous system of your body. Every 15 function of your body, from brain activity to muscle 16 function to breathing, is controlled by low voltage 17 electric current in your body. And to believe that such 18 high voltage EMFs over an extended period of time can't 19 harm you is to show that you haven't experienced it. 20 Lastly, I'll show you the mindset of 21 the type of people I worked for. We were not allowed to 22 spray in spring until a quick frosting, and we had to 23 quit when it started frosting in the fall, to alleviate 24 the possibility of it being diluted and running off into 25 the adjacent areas that it ---. Before frosting ended in

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1 the spring, we sprayed substations. The guns we used 2 were reminiscent of Thompson sub-machine guns with the 3 barrel pointing straight out for right-of-ways and a 4 barrel pointed down for substations. We were taken out 5 the first time by an Asplundh general foreman and the, 6 quote, go-between for the power company. Our training 7 consisted of using the guns to spray a small area and 8 changing to the curved barrels for the substations. We 9 were told the reason for these barrels was to keep the 10 spray on the ground, because in a substation anything 11 from the cables up can kill you. Don't spray it. We 12 were taught to mix our chemicals and then turned loose. 13 That was our training. 14 Our spray truck was a flatbed truck 15 with a 300 gallon tank on the back with a gasoline engine 16 and two 400 foot spray hoses with the guns. We would 17 drive onto a right-of-way and drag our hoses in opposite 18 directions, spraying as we came back to the truck. 19 Dragging the gun and 400 feet of hose up and down hills 20 caused us to often throw the hoses over our shoulder and 21 pull ourselves along with our free hand. 22 The fact that almost every connection 23 on the guns leak, causing itching and some slight 24 burning, made the job even harder. If you smoked while 25 you sprayed, it made you cough, and we were never issued

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1 any type of gloves, gear or masks. We were on our own. 2 We were young and thought we were indestructible. 3 Monongahela Power cannot say they didn't know when we 4 were visited regularly on a surprise basis by the go- 5 between, and he would often watch the crews from a 6 distance with binoculars. 7 When we emptied our tank, usually once 8 or twice a day, we had a gasoline-powered sump pump we 9 carried with us. We went to the nearest stream, threw 10 the hose in the water and filled the tank. While it was 11 filling, you could have a cigarette and watch the 12 Technicolor rainbows float downstream from the suction 13 hose where it had chemicals splashed on it. I have been 14 told that they intend to keep this PATH line clear using 15 backpack sprayers, which I find hard to believe 16 considering the length of the line. It seems to me this 17 would be a full time job just keeping this one line clear 18 doing it that a way. 19 Now, my last experience with Asplundh 20 was on an experimental, at that time, pack and spray 21 crew, which walked the lines packing the trees and 22 spraying the cuts that we made in the trees with the same 23 Torodon we used on the trees when we spray. Looking 24 back, we were used to get footage and make them a profit 25 with no concern for our health or the environment. I

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1 told Mr. Friddle, the power company representative, these 2 things that day in front of the parents and Board 3 members. I asked him, could he tell me they would do 4 anything different today? I asked him if he would send 5 his kids or grandkids to our school for a few years. I 6 asked that 20 or 30 years down the road if our 7 communities or our schoolchildren showed higher rates of 8 birth defects or cancer than the norm, would they spend 9 the money that they made from us finding out if they 10 caused it, or would they spend the money they made from 11 us fighting us in court? He left the room without 12 answering my questions. 13 In 1994 I was diagnosed with a 14 degenerative bone disease of the spine and osteoarthritis 15 and osteoporosis in almost every joint. No one in my 16 family has ever had such a thing. Around 2005 one of the 17 guys I worked with on the spray crew was diagnosed with a 18 degenerative bone disease of the pelvis. Is it a 19 coincidence or is it something else? I don't know. I've 20 mentioned it to doctors. I've tried to pursue it, but it 21 would have meant going to the Mayo Clinic for biopsies 22 years ago. There's no way to tell now. So now, who 23 knows? Maybe Mr. Friddle could tell me that, too. 24 Please, don't allow our children, our 25 communities or our environment to be subjected to these

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1 kind of things, especially when PATH has been denied in 2 both Maryland and Virginia. Why should we pay the cost 3 for generations to come for people who don't want or need 4 the electricity that they want to sell them, with us 5 footing the bill and paying the long term costs in more 6 ways than one? Lastly, I would like to read this. I 7 would like to request in light of the Maryland Public 8 Service Commission rejecting AEP and Allegheny and then 9 failing to tell the Maryland PSC whether they will be 10 reapplying or not, and the Virginia SCC making a motion 11 to dismiss, I believe the West Virginia PSC should 12 dismiss the case. The PATH line has no ending terminal 13 now. It is no longer the project that was described in 14 the PATH application provided to the West Virginia PSC. 15 Let the power companies come back and reapply if they so 16 choose when they have a viable project again. I thank 17 you for your time, and I thank you for coming to hear our 18 concerns. 19 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 20 Thank you very much. Yes, sir? 21 MR. CHAMBERS: 22 Good afternoon, everyone. My name is 23 Harold Chambers, C-H-A-M-B-E-R-S, and I'm employed by 24 Triad Engineering of Morgantown and St. Albans, West 25 Virginia. On behalf of Triad Engineering, I wish to

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1 present the following comments regarding the proposed 2 PATH project. Let's first give due consideration to a 3 few items. First, we are all fortunate we live in a 4 nation and state which provides for process to provide 5 the public's comment. Second, the task West Virginia 6 Public Service Commission has before them, in order to 7 render their decision on this case, we commend their 8 service to the state and the communities that lie within. 9 As with any form of infrastructure 10 system, via the highway, water, sewer or in this case a 11 power transmission system, demands on systems change as 12 the years pass by. Decisions regarding the long term 13 operation of these systems are required to ensure they 14 remain operational and continue to service the growing 15 demand placed on them by the society which they serve. 16 It is understood that PJM, the regional grid operator, 17 has determined that the construction of this project is 18 necessary to address concerns regarding the reliability 19 for the regional grid in the not too distant future. 20 The Appalachians and development in the 21 State of West Virginia have provided a source of energy 22 for its residents and commercial needs. This source also 23 allows our region's export energy to the rest of the 24 nation, which contributes significantly to its economic 25 wellbeing. The energy needs for these has been and will

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1 continue to be derived in large part from the extraction 2 of this state's nonrenewable energy sources such as coal 3 and natural gas. However, there has also been growing 4 interest in the development of renewable sources, energy 5 sources, which within the state and region, one component 6 of the growth of the area renewable energy sources is the 7 proximity of adequate transmission lines to the sources 8 where the energy is to be generated. 9 Triad Engineering is a service-only business in 10 that we provide professional engineering, surveying, and 11 environmental solutions for projects throughout West 12 Virginia and the surrounding states. Triad Engineering 13 is a 100 percent employee-owned firm that has at present 14 a total of 206 employees. Of this number, 112, or 15 approximately 54 percent of our staff, work from our 16 offices located in West Virginia. Our remaining staff 17 work from offices located in the neighboring states of 18 Maryland, Pennsylvania and Virginia. 19 As an engineering firm incorporated 20 within the State of West Virginia, the growth of this 21 company as well as the growth of our employees' families 22 over the past 34 years is directly linked to the services 23 provided by this company to both the nonrenewable and the 24 renewable energy producing sectors of our economy. The 25 PATH project will benefit this region's grid and the long

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1 term public welfare, and it will provide for the 2 continuing near and long term employment for not only 3 Triad's employees, but the employees of numerous 4 companies large and small that are also linked to this 5 sector of this state's regional economy. The decision 6 which Triad hopes this Commission will arrive at is that 7 this project should move forward. Thank you for your 8 time. 9 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 10 Thank you, Mr. Chambers. Yes, sir? 11 MR. HAMILTON: 12 My name is Ralph Hamilton. My address 13 is 236 Brookhaven Drive, Nitro, West Virginia. I'm also 14 the vice president of West Virginia operations for Rudd 15 Equipment Company. We supply construction and mining 16 equipment to the state. I have been a resident of West 17 Virginia for 45 of my 57 years. The 12 years that I 18 wasn't was because I had to leave the state because of 19 economic conditions in the State of West Virginia. I've 20 been back since 1995 and I'm very glad to be here. 21 I stand here in favor of the proposed 22 PATH project because it makes sense both economically and 23 environmentally. This $1.8 billion project is an 24 economic shot in the arm that this local economy 25 desperately needs. This is also an environmentally sound

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1 project, as it will link electric generation from 2 renewable energy sources such as wind, solar and 3 hydroelectricity to the existing grid. Time is of the 4 essence in this decision because this grid we now have is 5 aging and rapidly approaching maximum capacity, and the 6 addition of PATH will ensure our region a reliable power 7 supply well into the future. 8 As a democratic society here in the 9 United States, we enjoy a very comfortable lifestyle, 10 unlike many other countries, and one of the main reasons 11 that these other countries do not have the lifestyle we 12 have is because of the infrastructure we have here in the 13 United States. It would be impossible for us to maintain 14 our current standard of living if we don't have a 15 continuous reliable source of electricity, which PATH 16 will provide for us. Without these projects, we will 17 surely have brownouts and blackouts like there've been in 18 the northeastern part of the States, and this will happen 19 in our backyard in the very near future. It's for this 20 and many other reasons that I stand here before you in 21 favor of PATH. Thank you for your time. 22 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 23 Thank you, Mr. Hamilton. Yes, sir? 24 MR. FRANK CVECHKO: 25 Good afternoon. My name is Frank

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1 Cvechko. I'll spell that for you. C-V-E-C-H-K-O. I've 2 got a couple things I'd like to share. We've listened to 3 a lot of testimony from people today. A lot of 4 heartfelt, we've heard factual numbers, a lot of things. 5 Something happened back in the spring. I was 6 getting my electric bill each month. The weather started 7 warming up. I thought, great; I'll save some money. So 8 I'm getting this $150 electric bill each month, and I 9 thought, what in the world is going on? So I started 10 replacing appliances, the refrigerator, washer and dryer, 11 hot water tank and other things, got my next electric 12 bill and they actually credited me $75, because I paid 13 too much the month before. Now, you ask, well, what does 14 this have to do with anything? And why I am in favor of 15 the PATH project is because I work, and I am a 16 construction manager for Central Contracting on the TrAIL 17 project. That allowed me to purchase these appliances in 18 order to get my home in better, more efficient, less 19 usage shape. 20 Now, I've heard a lot of people mention 21 the fact that these projects benefit a few for a short 22 period of time, and now, those few may seem to get lost 23 in a lot of the testimony. A lot of the people that do 24 benefit are the landowners. Now, people say, you lose 25 the loss of land, or that land is no good anymore. From

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1 being on the TrAIL project for the last couple years, one 2 thing I've learned, and I've seen the landowners split 3 from one side to the other. When I first got there and I 4 was walking through the heavily wooded areas where the 5 line's going to run through, I went to the landowner, and 6 he talked about, man, I finally, I gave in, and I'm going 7 to have this line come through. And I was walking with a 8 gentleman one day, and I'll share a story, and he had a 9 bad knee. And we're walking up the mountain, and we got 10 about halfway up and he said I can't go anymore. I said 11 okay, no problem. I'll finish and I'll meet you back 12 down here. This guy was not in favor of things. So I 13 went up the mountain, came down. I said, okay, I've got 14 you a route we can take for an access road. That's what 15 we do. And I explained to him. I showed it to him on a 16 map. I explained to him the erosion and sediment control 17 procedures we use when we're building access roads. I 18 explained to him the access road that he would receive. 19 He was all for it. When we went finally, everything was 20 signed and we went and worked with this property owner to 21 build his access road, and he could drive to the top of 22 his mountain, about 1,200 foot above the elevation of his 23 house. He said, man. He said, you guys are great. He 24 said, I haven't been up here in years because I can't 25 walk up this mountain. But now I can actually drive and

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1 enjoy the scenery. And now, this fellow is just like a 2 lot of others I've dealt with. 3 It seems like when they have problems, 4 a lot of times they'll send me to explain things. 5 Communication's the biggest missing part of a lot of 6 landowners on the projects, because they don't understand 7 what's about to happen. And if you can explain that to 8 them, they're more at ease. And not only do they benefit 9 financially from the power line, but they get freebies. 10 There's one thing to pay for a right-of-way. There's 11 another thing to have a nice, wide access road that 12 drains well, and the erosion and sediment control 13 procedures are in place so that you're not polluting 14 streams. 15 Another thing that's benefited, I've 16 had a lot of farmers that we've crossed. They gain 17 access to an extra strip of land that was previously 18 wooded that the cows can now graze on. It also benefits 19 people that like to hunt. There's a lot of places you 20 might have a wooded area and maybe some small path where 21 you sit all day or all week waiting for a deer to come 22 by. You know what? Is the transmission line right-of- 23 way a beautiful thing? No. I mean, but as far as 24 progress, as far as the nation's reliability on electric, 25 and I knew, I've witnessed plenty of people that that's

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1 their hunting area. They don't have anywhere else that's 2 wide open to wait for a deer to come through. So and 3 now, these are just some examples of what I have 4 witnessed working on the TrAIL project. My father 5 mentioned earlier we've got about 100 people on the 6 project. The men, 70 percent of them are locals that 7 we've hired, I've hired throughout the different areas 8 we've been working. It doesn't just benefit a few 9 people. I mean, it stretches through families. People 10 talk to each other. I mean, I've got brothers that work 11 for me. It's far reaching capacity, and people travel 12 with us when we go to different areas of the project's 13 work. So I believe, and if you all do approve the PATH 14 project, because I'm hoping that I am fortunate enough to 15 work on it, and if I'm not, I've got a bunch of good 16 training and I'll work on a different, similar project 17 somewhere else. Thank you. 18 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 19 Thank you. Ma'am? 20 MS. PRINGLE: 21 My name is Debra Pringle. I'm from 22 Tallmansville, Pringle like the potato chips. I have two 23 additions. It just hit me when I was sitting back there, 24 almost three quarters of a million volts. Okay. That's 25 going to go across county roads in Upshur County. How

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1 many kids walk those roads, ride their bicycles through 2 the roads, skateboard those roads? My husband told you 3 what it's like to go under 500,000 volts of electric. 4 Okay? How are they going to go under almost three 5 quarters of a million? You know, I think of a lady that 6 just announced she's getting engaged, and her parents 7 might only live within 100 feet of where that's going to 8 go. I'm sure over the years she's rode her bike, walked, 9 you know. The kids across the street have skateboarded; 10 they have kids. They're not going to be able to do that. 11 Somebody said they protect. How do they protect whenever 12 you're one of --- the kids can't ---. What are you going 13 to do, set and tell my child not to go underneath that 14 right-of-way? Anywhere you go into Tallmansville, you're 15 going to see that. When you come in Tallmansville, when 16 you leave Tallmansville, you're going to see it. Okay? 17 Like I said, it has gone over how many 18 different roads you'd have --- will you make a decision? 19 Walk under 765,000 volts and see how you feel. Walk under 20 500,000 volts and see if you experience what my husband 21 experienced. Everybody talks about the money. What 22 about the beauty, the walks, the kids, the families? How 23 do you protect --- like I said, how do you plan to go 24 across those roads? What are you going to do if a line's 25 down? How far are you going to travel, and how far do

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1 the kids have to stay away from the lines down? 2 I live within a fourth to a half a mile 3 of the proposed PATH right-of-way. Today I'm here to 4 turn in a petition from the parents of the students of 5 Washington District Elementary School, the employees of 6 the school, and also the community members of 7 Tallmansville, against the PATH project. You may say why 8 three petitions? One, the students come up to seven 9 years and then they move on. I think of a fifth grader 10 who came to me when I was getting signatures for the 11 petition, and he asked, can I sign this? He's going to 12 be leaving our school. Is that going to affect him? 13 Yeah. He lives within a half a mile of the project. So 14 even after he leaves our school, it's still going to 15 affect him when he goes to a friend's house, a neighbor's 16 to play, when he goes hunting, when he grows up and tries 17 to find a place for his family to move. 18 Our son is in kindergarten, and he'll 19 be attending the Washington District School for the next 20 six years. It will affect him as it goes close to his 21 school playground, the nature walk. When he rides the 22 bus every day, he'll have to go under the lines to and 23 from every day. He'll go under it and back under it 24 every day. When he grows up and learns to drive, he'll 25 be driving underneath those lines on the road, and it's

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1 not regular line. It's almost three quarters of a 2 million volts. 3 My husband has been in Tallmansville 4 his whole life. When you think of a whole lifetime of 5 being exposed to PATH for our son, we waited 13 years for 6 our son. Our son's spoiled; our son's precious. And we 7 love our son very much. And thoughts of having to sit 8 with him in the hospital, you know, I see what his dad 9 goes through. I don't want that for our son someday, and 10 have to sit with that. 11 When I was getting petitions signed, a 12 student's pregnant mother signed. I think of her and the 13 baby. The precious baby will almost be starting school 14 by the proposed completion date and start of the service. 15 That all will affect him as it gets closer to the school, 16 when they travel under the power lines when they go to 17 school and go to town. Again, it's not regular lines. 18 It's almost three quarters of a million volts. Can you 19 tell us 100 percent that nothing will happen to our 20 children by being exposed to PATH? This PATH project 21 will not be one of any benefit to our children. It will 22 force us and them to pay for somebody else's convenience. 23 What would you do if it was your child or grandchild who 24 went to this school if PATH goes through? 25 Some school employees --- number two,

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1 some school employees may be at Washington District for 2 their whole career. What effects will the PATH project 3 have on them? What if down the road they find that the 4 safe area is not 1,000 feet and they're putting it 1,200 5 feet from the school? Can you tell them 100 percent that 6 nothing will happen to them if they're exposed to the 7 PATH project? Would you want your spouse, child, and/or 8 grandchild working that close? The Tallmansville 9 community, you would see PATH when you come. You would 10 see PATH when you leave. You would have to live with it 11 every day, not by our choice or by our necessity. When 12 you come to the Washington District School, you see a 13 sign that's been there ever since I can remember, enjoy 14 your view while you stay, and peace go with you on your 15 way. Please don't take the joy or peace away while we 16 stay. 17 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 18 Thank you. I think I saw a hand, sir? 19 MR. HAINES: 20 First, name is Chris Haines. 21 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 22 I'm sorry. Spell your last name, 23 because I didn't hear it. 24 MR. HAINES: 25 H-A-I-N-E-S. And I live in Rio, West

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1 Virginia, which is in Hampshire County. And I come today 2 to talk to you as a landowner and an employee of Central 3 Contracting. I currently work on the TrAIL project. I'm 4 a supervisor. I have four crews that work for me. They 5 go out and build roads. I deal with landowners. I mean, 6 I deal with them hands on, right-of-way maintenance and 7 different companies. I've gotten friends of mine jobs. 8 My father-in-law worked for a company for 22 years. It 9 ran out of work, and now he works on the TrAIL project 10 and eventually he'll work on the PATH. This deal with 11 me. I was laid off for two months, and I got a job with 12 Central Contracting, and if it works out good and we get 13 done with the TrAIL project, that's about six years long, 14 and I'm going to move on to PATH, hopefully. That's 15 another ten years; I'll be able to retire. I mean, I've 16 got family. I've got a wife and little girl, another kid 17 on the way. Without this job, I'd have nothing. I'd 18 have lost my house. I'd have lost my car, everything. 19 But on another note, my parents own 360 20 acres that the existing power line runs through. TrAIL 21 runs through it, and PATH will run through it too. So 22 without that money, my parents probably would have lost 23 their farm, and I hear everybody's testimony about how it 24 does damages to streams and this and that and what they 25 made is a trout hatchery. We have 80,000 trout and

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1 there's not a thing wrong, any of them. 2 I grew up beside those power lines, and 3 as far as I know there's nothing wrong with me. My 4 sister grew up beside of it; there's nothing wrong with 5 her. My niece grows up there now, and there's nothing 6 wrong with her, and my kids grow up fairly close to the 7 --- and yeah, power line, it is an eyesore. You see it. 8 But after a while, it's just like having anything sitting 9 there. You see it there 20, 30 times about, and you 10 won't even recognize it. It's just an object. It's 11 there. So thank you for your time, and I appreciate it. 12 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 13 Thank you, Mr. Haines. 14 MR. RICHARDSON: 15 Very good. Good afternoon. My name is 16 Mike Richardson, R-I-C-H-A-R-D-S-O-N. I'm an employee of 17 Rish Equipment Company, although I am a resident of 18 Cabell County. About 80 of our 350 employees would be 19 pretty much directly affected by the PATH project, 20 because we have two very local branches and a third 21 branch that would provide equipment and supplies for any 22 contractor that's working on this project. And I'm 23 certainly in favor of it, not just because of that. I 24 can remember when we had brownouts and even in a 25 blackout. And in those days, it was said that we didn't

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1 have enough electricity, and I think that might have been 2 part of the problem. 3 Part of the problem also as well is 4 that the old wiring and the grids that we have, it just 5 isn't effective. And I believe when I read that that is 6 the likely case by the year 2012, and I'm not real sure, 7 but I believe it's true that 80 percent of the PATH 8 project is already currently used by either American 9 Electric or Allegheny that transmits power on the lines. 10 And I'm also not sure, but I think I read that ten 11 percent of that right-of-way, 224 miles, is privately 12 held. So that's not too much, and I think the power 13 companies have tried not to use eminent domain, but 14 rather to offer a better than a going price for a 15 property. So I think people stand to gain from this who 16 are in the line. And I think the general gain from this 17 whole thing is for everything. And I think that if we 18 put it in, it would also help as with other things. We 19 can produce more electricity; it will be cheaper. 20 I saw 20 years ago a up at 21 Mr. Storm. Now that's part of the grid system, too. We 22 sometimes forget that, but it's got to get where it's 23 going. And if that grid system isn't efficient and isn't 24 modern, and things just aren't going to work the way you 25 want them to. So the price of power can come down if we

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1 provide the right kind of energy more an efficient 2 delivery system. And also, being in my business and 3 being from West Virginia, I haven't had any reasons to be 4 too pleased with our new president, but I am pleased to 5 say that on November the 4th, he told Rachel Maddow that 6 he thinks the most important infrastructure projects that 7 we need is a whole new electricity grid. So I'm happily 8 in agreement with him. Thank you. 9 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 10 Thank you, Mr. Richardson. Yes, sir? 11 MR. RANK: 12 My name is Paul Rank, and I live in the 13 Rock Cave area of Upshur County. R-A-N-K. I thank you 14 all for being here today and for representing the 15 interests of the ratepayers of West Virginia. I 16 understand that the daunting task before you is that you 17 must decide on whether or not the issue, a Certificate of 18 Public Convenience and Necessity. Let's look at the word 19 convenience. I'm not sure what you all --- what 20 definition you all have, but to me, it tells me after 21 hearing everybody speak, one man's convenience may well 22 be another man's inconvenience. One man's job may well 23 be the loss of another job or devaluation of property. 24 That said, and I realize you're going to have some 25 daunting task to sort that out, as to which is more

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1 important. Let's talk about the necessity, the need. My 2 understanding is that this need is generated by the 3 eastern seaboard's future electrical needs. 4 I have in front of me a letter of ten 5 governors of the eastern states, from to Virginia, 6 written to the leaders of Congress, Senator Harry Reid, 7 Senator Mitch McConnell, Representative Pelosi and 8 Representative Boehner. These eastern governors say they 9 are concerned about bringing power to suit their needs 10 from afar. They would rather do it themselves. 11 Particularly they're interested in developing wind 12 resources off the coast and on shore. I say take them up 13 on that. Let the ratepayers of the eastern seaboard pay 14 for it. 15 In addition to that, my understanding 16 is, and I have two documents, one from Maryland and one 17 from Virginia, Maryland indicating for technical reasons 18 they are not going to issue the certificate, and Virginia 19 saying that if Maryland doesn't issue the certificate, we 20 aren't going to issue the certificate. At least, that 21 was the Staff's recommendation to the Commission. Surely 22 the Commission, the Public Service Commission of West 23 Virginia is not going to build a high rise which goes 24 nowhere. Surely you'll insist on the term of this at 25 some point, and I hope it's not in West Virginia. Again,

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1 thank you. 2 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 3 Thank you. Yes, ma'am? 4 MS. LOUDIN: 5 Hello. My name's Christina Loudin, 6 L-O-U-D-I-N. And I'm from Route 6, Box 68L, Buckhannon, 7 West Virginia. Thank you for the hearing today. I 8 recently divorced, and I'm told now I will not be able to 9 keep my home and property. I have a farm of 28 acres in 10 this beautiful county, and I so desperately desire to 11 have a place that my children will inherit one day. I 12 was not born in West Virginia, but we moved here when I 13 was eight, and because I love this state, I consider 14 myself a true West Virginia hillbilly. My parents were 15 born here in West Virginia, as were their parents and 16 their parents. It seems that having property and owning 17 a piece of land in West Virginia is a heritage, and it's 18 something I desire to pass along to my children who were 19 born here. 20 As my children were growing up, we 21 spent a lot of time exploring West Virginia and 22 especially our county. But more and more as the years 23 went by and we would explore, we would be disappointed 24 when we would come upon places where the landscape had 25 changed due to strip mining and new towers. And of

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1 course the question would arise, why, Mom? Why do they 2 do that? And that was a difficult question to answer. 3 Many times I wanted to answer that it was simply greed, 4 but I always try to be objective and open minded, and the 5 answer would usually be that were trying to make the 6 world a better place, a better and easier place. 7 I have a boyfriend now who's not from 8 West Virginia, but he has been all over the world due to 9 his Army career, and he has never found a place more 10 beautiful than West Virginia. We would like to settle 11 down here. He is saddened and outraged as we all are by 12 the prospect of PATH. He recently went to Pennsylvania 13 and Wetzel County to see what PATH might look like. He 14 went on some back country roads and stopped and talked to 15 some people. One stop he made was a family farm that has 16 been in the family for generations, and they had paid 17 their farm off. But when the transmission line came 18 through, they had to leave their beautiful farm. They 19 had to abandon their beautiful land that they had claimed 20 so dearly for years and years, and now the children won't 21 have an inheritance. 22 I'd like to show a picture. He stopped 23 at a historic cemetery where there was a grave stone 24 where the family had been divided by the Civil War, one 25 brother fighting for the south and the other for the

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1 north. Their gravestone was together, and the image of 2 the gravestone in the cemetery are marred by the power 3 lines running next to it. What are we leaving for our 4 children? Land that we once held so dearly but is now 5 scarred by what is considered to be progress? To 6 conclude, I'd like to quote from Aldo Leopold, an 7 American ecologist, forester and environmentalist. The 8 wilderness will yield bigger values for the nation's 9 character and health than they will to its pocketbook. 10 And to destroy them will be to admit it but the latter 11 are the only values that interest us. Thank you. 12 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 13 Thank you. Yes, ma'am? 14 MS. LYNCH: 15 My name is Grace Lynch. I live in Rock 16 Cave. 17 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 18 L-Y-N-C-H? 19 MS. LYNCH: 20 Yes. I add my voice to the many voices 21 you have heard in these hearings objecting to building 22 power lines that make no sense for the people of West 23 Virginia. My concerns seem weak compared to the concerns 24 of West Virginia in the southern coalfields who have lost 25 clean water, air, property, health, whose communities

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1 have been ruined by mountaintop removal, and who continue 2 to pay the horrific price for energy incorrectly 3 described as cheap. PATH will continue demands of coal 4 rather than investing in newer technologies and cleaner 5 energy sources. 6 The governors of ten east coast states 7 oppose PATH, oppose long distance transmission of 8 electricity, preferring to develop local renewable 9 resources and reducing demand through conservation. They 10 are on record opposing PATH and are actively pursuing 11 alternatives. These are the states that want West 12 Virginia electricity? Not so. 13 In addition, demand for electricity has 14 actually decreased. So is PATH about need or about 15 corporate desire? It has been argued that we need PATH 16 for grid reliability. The industry has made dire 17 predictions about future reliability using computer 18 models based on variables that have not been disclosed 19 and have not been independently scrutinized. 20 It appears that the PSC chose to ignore 21 this issue in the TrAIL case. It should have expected a 22 complete account of the assumptions used in industry 23 predictions, and it should expect the same transparency 24 in the PATH case. In addition, a new data system that 25 could possibly answer the reliability questions began

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1 collecting data in 2008. But in any case, there are many 2 ways to solve reliability problems that are better and 3 cheaper than building new power lines. 4 Public Service Commissioners, serve the 5 people of your state who have no desire to be burdened 6 with the cost of exported electricity or the ugliness of 7 tremendous towers or the loss of land and homes. 8 Sacrifice the line. These are unnecessary burdens, the 9 sacrifices unacceptable. 10 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY: 11 Thank you. Let's take a ten minute

12 break. That will get us here, I have 20 till 3:00. 13 SHORT BREAK TAKEN 14 MS. PECK : 15 My name is Samanna Peck. I'm from Rock 16 Cave, West Virginia. 17 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 18 Can you spell both of your names? 19 MS. PECK : 20 S-A-M-A-N-N-A. Last name is Peck, 21 P, as in Paul, E-C-K. I don't have a whole lot of 22 statistics, but I do want my voice heard, and I thank you 23 for listening. In 1993, my husband and I retired and 24 moved back to West Virginia and bought the property in 25 Rock Cave. We spent a lot of time searching for a decent

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1 property we thought would be a good investment and also 2 spend our retirement years in a beautiful setting. Our 3 lifelong dream was to return home. We were gone for 40 4 years. My husband was in the military for 20 of those 5 years, and we spent 24 in a very hectic city of 6 Cleveland, . PATH will spoil our quality of life, 7 devalue our property and cause health threats. Why is it 8 fair for a large company to come in and destroy something 9 we have spent our life working and saving to live a 10 dream? 11 There has to be alternatives to solve 12 this major problem. It appears by map PATH has taken the 13 route of least work for them and the cost of all of us 14 here. Rock Cave is a thriving community, and PATH will 15 destroy its continuing growth. I wonder how many of 16 these companies that have come throughout the state, 17 speaking on behalf of PATH, are losing their property, or 18 is PATH going through their land. Thank you for hearing 19 my voice. 20 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 21 Thank you, Ms. Peck. Next speaker? 22 And for those in the back, I apologize. I see you as 23 well as I can from here. But if you would stand up, that 24 would help. 25 MR. VELTRI :

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1 I am Michael Veltri, V-E-L-T-R-I, from 2 Clarksburg, West Virginia, in support of the PATH 3 project, employed by Guttman Oil Company, along with 22 4 other employees. We feel that PATH would provide jobs 5 for workers in West Virginia. One of the comments had 6 been made about the construction business being 7 short-lived jobs. That's how we got to where we are in 8 America, was with construction companies moving from one 9 job to the next. It's important that we support the 10 ability to get an infrastructure in this country that 11 allows us to move forward. We talked to people here that 12 are retired, young people trying to get their lives in 13 order for the future, raise their children. I think part 14 of all that is having electricity passing through this 15 country. The grid system just doesn't work just for a 16 local area called West Virginia northeast. Our power 17 goes all across this country. We're now in the drilling 18 industry. That's construction work. Do we stop that? 19 We have the lumber industry in West Virginia for 20 furniture and different things like that. That's all 21 construction. We all have friends that have friends that 22 are building houses. Do they only build one house and 23 then they stop and they never have to build another one? 24 Is that how it's going to be? We have to keep moving 25 forward. We've got to keep creating jobs. We've got to

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1 keep the country going in the direction that it needs to 2 go in. That's all I have to say. Thank you. 3 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 4 Thank you, sir. Yes, in the back. 5 Yes, ma'am. 6 MS. DAVIS : 7 Me? 8 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 9 Yes, ma'am. 10 MS. DAVIS : 11 Hi. My name is Margo Davis, and I live 12 in Kanawha Head, West Virginia. To get my mail, though, 13 it says Rock Cave. Quite frankly, I'm tired of West 14 Virginia being a national sacrifice state. I've been at 15 lots of high-powered parties in Florida and heard men 16 laughing when I tell them I'm from West Virginia, saying, 17 boy, we're sure raping that state. There's no need to 18 rape. We give it away. The gifts that have been given 19 to all of us we give to the few, the money and the 20 out-of-towners or the out-of-staters. 21 West Virginia reminds me of a woman of 22 the night, dressed up in a red dress, her come-get-me 23 high heels, with her big red lips, and says, notice me, 24 notice me, please notice me, take my coal, take my 25 timber, take my oil and gas, take my mountains, cover my

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1 streams, take my wildlife, my water, put a gash up my 2 belly and across my heart, just notice me. We're open 3 for business, after all. 4 I don't really have anything to add to 5 some of this wonderful stuff that's been said today about 6 PATH, but I do know the reason that we're talking about 7 the need is to push so hard for this destruction so we 8 can sell dirty oil --- I mean, excuse me, dirty coal, 9 before someone legislates from D.C. that we've got to 10 start thinking about the future. That's the need. 11 There's always going to be a coal industry for as long as 12 there is coal, but we are truthfully at a crossroads. 13 The present-day methods for extracting and for burning 14 coal is antiquated, period. There are all kind of 15 experiments going on in clean-coal technology, and we 16 need to wait, wait for the future of our species, for 17 some of these experiments to come to fruition. Let's 18 take our time and get it right for once. Whether our 19 Representatives in Washington believe in global warming 20 or not really doesn't matter. Scientific evidence says 21 it's real. Look at Iceland and Greenland. It really is 22 time to think of the future, not our future. I mean, I'm 23 not going to be here for a whole lot longer, but I do 24 have great-grandchildren that I'd really like all of us 25 to think of and yours. We need to slow down and be

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1 deliberate. The powers that be always need to hurry up, 2 hurry up, make these crucial decisions. But these 3 hurried-up crucial decisions have given us and a lot 4 of other things. 5 Let's stop PATH. After all, where's it 6 going? Where is going now since Virginia and Maryland 7 has opposed it? Let's stop it before we once again 8 realize that we're giving away what's the best in us and 9 left nothing for the future. My mom used to say don't 10 let it be said and to your shame that all was beauty 11 before you came. Thank you. 12 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 13 Thank you. Yes, sir. 14 MR. CARR : 15 My name is Ivan Carr. I'm from 16 Gassaway in Braxton County. The PATH project will cross 17 our family farm. And out of this I expect they'll cut 18 the right-of-way, which will give more pasture on the 19 farm, access roads --- better access roads on the hill. 20 Right now I work for Central Contracting. I'm working on 21 the TrAIL project. I work on the 765 line from Wyoming 22 to Jackson Ferry, Virginia. I run equipment. I have 23 built the access roads. I have built sites. I know how 24 they're done. And it helps the landowner. I mean, I 25 know a lot of people is against it, but I've seen people

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1 be able to get to places they've never got before, places 2 they've never been able to timber before because it was 3 so steep and there was no access. And I've seen them get 4 to all of these places. I have worked directly under, in 5 the equipment, of the 765 KV line in . I have 6 worked under the 500 KV line from Mount Storm on the 7 TrAIL project. The part I'm working on now, I've noticed 8 nothing from it in the equipment or out of the equipment. 9 In Virginia the roads are stone. The farmers have 10 access. The cows are feeding in the meadows under them, 11 feeding in the right-of-ways under them. The farmers 12 have not lost that meadow. They still have that meadow. 13 Their cows are still running in that meadow. Like at 14 home, a lot of the farms --- my parents are 70 years old. 15 They don't farm for profit because they can't buy feed. 16 If you buy medicine, if cow prices are up, you make a 17 little bit. If cow prices are down, you lose. So the 18 money they receive from the power company helps 19 supplement the farm so they're not losing. They still 20 get the profit and they still get to use the land. The 21 only stipulation, there's no buildings in the 22 right-of-way. The cows can still roam. I've seen 23 them --- seen certain kinds of grass for the farmers. 24 The power company deals with every individual separately. 25 Everybody gets something different. It depends on what

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1 you deal with them on. I've seen them seed for wildlife. 2 I've got a son that will be 17 years old. The only thing 3 he told me, good, dad, I'll have a good place to look. 4 He said, I can watch from clear down the hill, deer 5 hunting. It doesn't bother him. And I want to thank you 6 for your time. 7 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 8 Thank you so much. Yes, sir. 9 MR. RIDGEWAY : 10 My name is Jamie Ridgeway, and I live 11 in Fairmont, West Virginia, 179 Stonebridge Drive, 12 R-I-D-G-E-W-A-Y. I traveled down here today because I 13 wanted to give my opinion in favor of the project. I 14 think too often when these meetings are called 15 there's --- mainly people who show up are landowners or 16 people who are going to be affected instead of the 17 community as a whole and other citizens throughout the 18 state and region that ultimately do receive benefit by 19 reliable power. 20 I think that many people here tonight 21 are going to go home, and I don't know any of them aren't 22 going to turn on power, watch TV or do something else. I 23 also think that many --- almost all of us in here have 24 had instances in storms where we've lost power for a day 25 or two due to some winter storm. And if this project

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1 isn't completed, what we're going to have is that's going 2 to be a recurring nightmare. And you're going to have 3 hearings where local residents are claiming that they 4 don't have power on a regular basis because the grid 5 system is too unreliable; it's antiquated. The demand on 6 the system has increased exponentially in the last 30 7 years, but the funding and actual infrastructure has not. 8 And the PATH project along with the TrAIL project is our 9 country's response to improving that situation. 10 The gentleman from Central Contracting, 11 Ron Foster from Foster's Supply and all those folks 12 talked about the impact on the local economies. I work 13 for a building contractor in Morgantown. We do not do 14 work in this power line. We have about 300 employees 15 that are able to stay working because of other reasons. 16 But I can tell you that I agree wholeheartedly with their 17 stand --- their position and the impact that this project 18 will have on the local economy, local suppliers and local 19 subcontractors. That's all I have. Thank you. 20 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 21 Thank you. Yes, ma'am. 22 MS. FUNKHOUSR : 23 Hello. My name is Stephanie Funkhousr, 24 F-U-N-K-H-O-U-S-R. And I live in Hardy County, and I 25 currently work with Central Contracting. Before that, I

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1 was unemployed for nine months. I tried getting jobs 2 from D.C. to West Virginia, to Baker, where I live, 3 couldn't get none, sent out resumes all the time. They 4 hired me, and I'm thankful. It's the first time in my 5 life I've ever had insurance and I have a good job. 6 People talk about this project coming 7 through, ruining their land. I live beside Corridor H. 8 I didn't want that to come through. But when it came 9 through, I'm thankful now that it has because it cuts a 10 lot of travel, wrecks, chicken trucks. You know, it's a 11 whole lot safer, a whole lot quicker. And I'm for this 12 project, so I hope you all make a good decision. 13 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 14 Thank you. Next speaker? Yes. Yes, 15 ma'am. Yes, please. 16 MS. SCHAEFERS : 17 I'm Augustine June Schaefers. 18 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 19 Augustine, would you step closer to the 20 mike? 21 MS. SCHAEFERS : 22 Yes. 23 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 24 And you can pull it down, too. 25 MS. SCHAEFERS :

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1 I'm Augustine June Schaefers, an 2 ordinary housewife, and I live in this county. And I've 3 been to Ohio and I've seen one of these. 4 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 5 Augustine, let me ask you to spell your 6 last name, please. 7 MS. SCHAEFERS : 8 Yes. S-C-H-A-E-F-E-R-S. It's a 9 wasteland of dead brush. It can be used for nothing. 10 Not even the Purple Martins will settle there to help 11 take care of the millions of mosquitoes. And West 12 Virginia's health, safety, beauty, trees and homes are 13 being threatened. So how did our elected officials let 14 you get this far? That's all. 15 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 16 Thank you so much. Someone else? Yes, 17 ma'am. 18 MS. PENNINGTON : 19 Hello. My name is Melinda Pennington, 20 P-E-N-N-I-N-G-T-O-N. We bought our farm to retire and 21 enjoy our retirement. We want to take walks, look at the 22 beauty, maybe see a deer and relax. Our farm joins the 23 village of Rock Cave. It has several beautiful house 24 sites and is perfect for the future development. We 25 don't want any change at this time. But later, our

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1 children can sell it in lots if the wish. This power 2 line will ruin the whole place. Who wants to look at an 3 ugly power line? This line is going from one corner to 4 the opposite corner of our place, dividing it in half. 5 It will devalue the property so that it will be 6 unsellable. West Virginia is a tourists' paradise, and 7 this line from top to bottom will ruin the scenery for 8 hundreds of miles, a 200-foot width clearance of our 9 forest for hundreds of miles. This takes away so much 10 shelter for the animals and birds. Then you spray poison 11 to kill the underbrush, also wildlife and perhaps humans. 12 What long-term damage does this do? I feel it's another 13 company taking advantage of West Virginia to lower their 14 bottom line instead of spending money to build a 15 substation close to where they need it. And this is 16 truly what they should do. This is one thing that is 17 wrong with our country. All the lines are connected. If 18 something happens, the whole system can be shut down. 19 You need to start a new system now, making your lines 20 separate. Stop doing what you know is wrong. West 21 Virginia isn't going to get any service from this, only 22 Maryland. 23 Your plant is also coal-based. To 24 increase --- I want to know if this will increase the 25 mountaintop mining, which I do not believe in and is

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1 ruining the looks of our country already. The coal 2 company taking shortcuts and ruining the mountaintops and 3 polluting our streams, why can't you take and try solar? 4 Perhaps solar won't go as far. I understand you can 5 build a tall, nice building perhaps or something that 6 looks nice for individual places and put solar towers and 7 windows at the top and it can substain a smaller location 8 around, and this would go through the whole country, and 9 I feel it would be better. There will be too much 10 disruption to this environment and to the people. Let 11 them build a plant closer to the city that needs the 12 power. Thank you. 13 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 14 Thank you so much. Yes, ma'am. 15 MS. LAUB : 16 Hello. My name is Valerie Laub. Last 17 name is spelled L-A-U-B. I'm here today because I'm in 18 favor of the PATH project. I was --- I'm from 19 Petersburg, where --- which is in Grant County. And 20 Petersburg is a small community there, where jobs are few 21 and far between. So luckily, with the TrAIL project 22 going on --- of course, before that I was laid off for 23 two months. So with this project going on, it gave me 24 the opportunity to find a good job with great benefits 25 and all that. And several people from my community and

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1 surrounding counties were hired there also. So it 2 helped, you know, a lot of people out. So the economic 3 development for small businesses, it helped that out, 4 kept some of them afloat, where they didn't have to shut 5 down. Also, for --- you know, brought several jobs to 6 the community. And for that I'm just --- I'm thankful 7 with the project going on. And hopefully, we can get 8 this PATH project going and hopefully move on to that. I 9 think that's it. 10 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 11 Thank you. Yes, sir. 12 MR. BAUSERMAN : 13 My name is Jeremy Bauserman, 14 B-A-U-S-E-R-M-A-N, from P.O. Box Ten, Bartow, West 15 Virginia, in Pocahontas County. I am opposed to the PATH 16 project because I believe that the costs outweigh the 17 benefits for the people of West Virginia, the people of 18 Upshur County and for the people of this part of the 19 state. 20 I think about the school kids at the 21 Washington District School. I'm concerned about their 22 health. I believe their parents have legitimate health 23 concerns. I'm concerned about the increased cost of 24 electricity. However, 25 percent of my electric power 25 over the past decade has come from solar panels on my

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1 property. With the increased cost of electricity from 2 the PATH project, perhaps that will be incentive for me 3 to invest more money into solar power, allowing me to 4 become more self-sufficient. And also, this would result 5 in decreased profits for electrical companies in my case. 6 I just feel that solar power is so non-controversial. I 7 know that there are wind farms projects proposed and 8 being constructed five miles from where I live on the 9 Pocahontas County, West Virginia/Highland County, 10 Virginia border that are very controversial and tied up 11 in litigation. But solar power is non-controversial. 12 Solar power is our future. Let's invest in it, let's use 13 it, and let's protect our environment in the process. 14 Thank you. 15 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 16 Thank you. Yes, sir. 17 MR. ARMSTRONG : 18 My name is French Armstrong, 19 A-R-M-S-T-R-O-N-G. I live in a very pristine section of 20 Upshur County, at French Creek. I've had a lifetime 21 hobby and interest in regeneration of hardwood forests. 22 In addition to many thousands of Christmas trees, I've 23 planted somewhere in the neighborhood of 30,000 hardwood 24 trees. And as a surprise reward for my interest in the 25 regeneration of forests, I was inducted into the

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1 & Forestry Hall of Fame last year. I perish 2 the thought that I should have to sit on the front porch 3 of my house for the rest of my days and look at the 4 towers. If this line goes where it is proposed now, it 5 will be in sight of my front porch. I'm reminded of 6 Joyce Kilmer's poem, "A Tree". Poems are made by fools 7 like me, but only God can make a tree. That has been my 8 motivation of retirement. I recently purchased some 9 additional land from a man who was fiercely protective of 10 the forest. And in that view in front of my house are 11 some of the finest Red Oak trees in the state. They will 12 be cut. Brush and thistles will grow up where they were. 13 Perish the thought. I think the easy solution for this 14 whole situation is to let someone in the area where they 15 need electricity give up their private golf course and 16 their heated swimming pool, build a power plant, and West 17 Virginia will furnish them coal and firewood. Thank you. 18 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 19 Thank you, sir. Next speaker, please. 20 Yes, ma'am. 21 MS. BLAGG : 22 Good afternoon. My name is Christine 23 Blagg, B, as in boy, L-A-G-G, and I live in Braxton 24 County. The selected alternative C route for the PATH 25 running through West Virginia covers approximately 175.6

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1 miles of property and woodland that will be disturbed, 2 including crossings of two water bodies, 24.8 acres of 3 wetlands, and 217 streams. Five of those streams are in 4 Lewis and Braxton Counties, where I live. Laurel Run, 5 Falls Run, Little , Glade Creek and Glade 6 Fork. These are all part of our beloved West Virginia 7 wilderness areas. I believe they should be preserved, so 8 I'm here today to explain that I am deeply concerned and 9 I'm asking you to do the right thing in saying no to 10 PATH. And I think you for your kind attention. 11 COMMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 12 Thank you. Next speaker? Yes, please. 13 MS. RUSMISELL : 14 Thank you for coming today. I decided 15 to speak after I've been sitting here, listening to all 16 the comments. My name is Laura Rusmisell, and that's 17 R-U-S-M-I-S-E-L-L. I've lived in West Virginia for 30 18 years next month. I call this my home, and I plan to 19 live here the rest of my life. I've been selling real 20 estate for the last 14 and a half years. My broker was 21 two speakers ago, French Armstrong. And I got 22 involved --- I didn't sign up as an intervener in time, 23 but I started researching and listening. And as you're 24 doing, a lot of people's comments today, I'm full well 25 aware of. I'm sure you are, too.

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1 As a real estate agent, though, I felt 2 that I needed to keep myself informed, the people in my 3 company, the other realtors in the area. So there has 4 been a little dialogue, a little discussion. And some 5 people do not like to get political and get involved in 6 things, but I attended one of the local meetings and one 7 of the other agents in my office is an intervenor and 8 they were talking at that meeting about, you know, how do 9 they go about identifying the people that are going to be 10 affected by PATH in our county? And I knew that it was 11 just simple --- we could get the tax maps. We could look 12 it up. So we sent 330 letters out to people that were 13 going to be affected in the 2,200 foot of PATH. A lot of 14 those people, I understand, were not aware, had not been 15 contacted yet, maybe don't read the paper, don’t read the 16 local news. But really from early on in my life I've 17 always cared about others, complete strangers. I don't 18 live close. I live right here, outside of Buckhannon, so 19 I don't live in that --- you know, where I'm going to be 20 looking at the PATH. But as my broker stated, who is a 21 great steward of the land, and I have tremendous respect 22 for him, he's going to be looking at it out his front 23 door. And I've been on his property. I've witnessed how 24 he takes care of the earth. And this time it's not about 25 financial gain. For any of the people that have been

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1 speaking in opposition to PATH, they have lots of great 2 reasons to be opposed to it. 3 I also just had something brought to my 4 attention I wanted to mention before I left. And there's 5 tremendous kind of a wonder in the room if there are 6 people here that are being paid to be here by the PATH 7 organization and are being asked to speak in favor of 8 PATH. And we wondered if we could get a response to 9 that. So I'm not sure who to address that question to 10 but it's on some people's minds in the room. So thank 11 you for your time. 12 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 13 Thank you. Next speaker? Yes, sir. 14 MR. DETAMORE : 15 I want to begin by saying thank you as 16 well for being here and allowing us to have an 17 opportunity to speak. And I apologize to everyone behind 18 me, the taxpayers, the citizens, residents and the 19 business interests who I have my back turned to. 20 My name is Charles Detamore, II. 21 That's D-E-T-A-M-O-R-E. I live in Lewis County, but I'm 22 here representing an interest that I feel I owe to my 23 grandfather and his children. My grandfather's name is 24 Denzel Straiter (phonetic). His farm is located in 25 Easton, which is just outside of Rock Cave. He died

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1 almost two years. But I want to tell you a little bit of 2 something about him real quick. For many, many, many 3 years he was a supervisor for the Tiger Valley Soil 4 Conservation District. You could go in his house and see 5 numerous plaques and awards for being Operator of the 6 Year, Conservation Farmer of the Year. He was awarded 7 the --- he was the state winner and awarded the Take 8 Pride in America Award by President George Herbert Walker 9 Bush. He was an inductee in the West Virginia State 10 Agriculture & Forestry Hall of Fame. He was a true 11 conservationist and true steward of this land. He 12 believed that we should always try to leave this world a 13 better place than when we came here. His children have 14 that same philosophy and are committed to taking care of 15 his land in the same manner. If you go on his land, one 16 of the first things you see on the left is a sign that 17 identifies it as a tree farm. On the right is a Take 18 Pride in America sign that identifies it as a 19 conservation farm. It's what you would truly describe as 20 prime farmland and truly managed timberland, very 21 valuable timberland, and it would probably be affected by 22 the PATH project if it goes through. 23 And one of the earlier speakers today 24 mentioned that he didn't really believe that the 25 landowners' personal land issues were going to be the

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1 determining factor in this. There are a lot of other 2 interests as well. I have to say that I probably agree 3 with him. But I think that's unfortunate because I 4 believe the landowners do have a right. 5 One of the last contractors to speak 6 mentioned that we are where we are today because of 7 construction. I would like to suggest we go back a 8 little bit further on the history of this great state and 9 the history of this great nation and consider that we are 10 where we are today because the settlers that settled this 11 state and this nation moved west to fulfill their dream 12 of owning property. That was a dream that didn't really 13 exist prior to the founding of this nation. It was the 14 individual right to own property, to live on that 15 property, to improve that property, to raise a family on 16 that property and die on that property that they pursued. 17 And I believe that's a fundamental part of our 18 constitutional right to pursue --- the right to pursuit 19 of happiness. 20 It has been mentioned by several 21 speakers that the PATH project would provide an economic 22 stimulus to the state. And I don't think there's any way 23 that you can disagree that the contractors for PATH are 24 going to profit from it. The local businesses that they 25 interact with are going to profit from it. For the next

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1 four years or however long it takes to actually establish 2 the transmission line, there's going to be an economic 3 boost to some of the areas and some of the citizens of 4 this state, but I don't think that that should override 5 the rights of the people who actually paid for their 6 land, invested their sweat equity into the land and have 7 heritage and ties to that land. 8 And another --- several speakers have 9 mentioned the impact on not just the environment but on 10 the beauty, the pristine nature of our state and on the 11 tourism industry. Ever since I was a young man, West 12 Virginia spent millions of dollars promoting tourism in 13 West Virginia, wild and wonderful, almost heaven. Come 14 visit us. We have all kinds of things for you. That 15 tourism also brings revenue money into the state. It 16 affects the local mom-and-pop businesses, the local 17 businesspeople and also gives our state a nice image. 18 One of the contractors mentioned some 19 of the benefits of the PATH line. You know, you can deer 20 hunt better, better pasture. Well, I'm like the only 21 non-deer hunter in my family, but there's quite a few of 22 them that deer hunt, and they have no problem hunting 23 deer without a PATH power line. 24 I, unfortunately, got into this rather 25 late, and I'm going to skim some of the information. I

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1 didn't --- I was too far in the back to see the pictures 2 that the lady presented, but my impression is that the 3 PATH project is so large, it would actually resemble 4 something out of science fiction. Imagine something out 5 of the movie War of the Worlds , where you have these 6 metal monstrosities standing, just devastating the land 7 all around them. And I don't imagine there's anybody in 8 the audience that's driven down the interstate, 9 especially this time of the year, when West Virginia is 10 known for the change in colors and the beauty, that you 11 don't see an already-existing power line that cuts 12 through that. And that's just --- that's very obvious, 13 and it's sad. 14 In my grandfather's conservation, he 15 was also very community-minded. When the first original 16 power line went through that area, he gave the power 17 company the right-of-way because it would benefit the 18 community. And I also believe that, you know, we need a 19 more reliable power grid. We need to invest in 20 technology and upgrades. But I also know --- living in 21 Lewis County, I also knew that at his house many times 22 during the year our power was already unreliable. It 23 will flicker out half a second or a second, just long 24 enough to shut down your computer, disconnect your 25 telephone because it's almost all connected to

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1 electricity, re-set every clock in the house, and it's 2 very discouraging. It's middle of the afternoon, three 3 o'clock, on a sunny day. It's not windy. There's no 4 snow. There's no ice on the lines. I mean, you talk to 5 the power companies; usually it's given to you --- the 6 cause is usually related as maybe tree branches or limbs. 7 Now, I don't believe that Allegheny power has invested 8 money in maintaining and improving the lines that we have 9 that we use today. I don't believe that they've kept 10 those lines clear enough to make it what it should be for 11 the residents today. And I also don't believe that the 12 PATH project is a true benefit electrically for the 13 people of West Virginia. I do believe that we should be 14 investing in more clean, more viable, more sustainable 15 energy sources. And I'm not going to say that we 16 shouldn't use coal, because I'm a Mountaineer, but I do 17 believe that the east coast needs to improve their 18 transmission lines, their grids and their own power usage 19 as well. 20 The other thing that I would like to 21 say is --- and it's too late for this meeting because 22 half the people are out of here; there are two things. I 23 didn't hear the last lady that spoke in favor of PATH. I 24 couldn't make out what she was saying. But prior to her, 25 I noticed that every single person that stood here in

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1 favor of PATH, except for one, was a business owner or 2 involved in a business that would be receiving benefits 3 from a business perspective. Two of them I believe were 4 also property owners, but they also had business 5 interests as well. I would like to suggest --- I believe 6 we only have one meeting left, tonight perhaps it might 7 be a good idea before the room clears if you'd ask the 8 members in the room if the property owners that might be 9 affected by this line would raise their hands so you 10 could see how many property owners are here. And if you 11 would go a step further, perhaps ask out of those people 12 with their hands raised, how many of them would stand if 13 they're in favor of the PATH project. 14 And my final observation, I understand 15 that limiting applause for the sake of time is important, 16 but I also think that if you allow the short period of 17 applause, it would also give you a pretty good gauge of 18 where people stand on the comments that the speakers are 19 making, both pro and against. Thank you very much. 20 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 21 Thank you. Next speaker? 22 MS. REED : 23 Hello. Thank you for being here. I'm 24 Donna Reed, R-E-E-D, and I am opposed against PATH. I do 25 not want it here in this area. I do not actually have

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1 any statistics. Other people have done their homework. 2 I know I'm only about a mile or less than a mile away 3 from the proposed line. And according to what I have 4 heard, we can --- it can deviate. It can go up to many 5 miles of distance. And it's just like, okay, is it 6 really going to be in my backyard? 7 I also have a brother that has five 8 small children. He has adopted two of them. Three of 9 them are foster children. One of them has medical 10 difficulties, well, maybe more than one, and he's going 11 to have to have implants. And they have paperwork that I 12 will turn in, because my brother had to leave. He had to 13 go back to work. And all of this row understands work. 14 I would like to say that if he has this, they have 15 information concerning the type of surgery that he would 16 have to have may be bothered by the --- is it EF --- EMF. 17 Is that correct? I think so. And I don't understand why 18 it is necessary. I have not figured this out. Like I 19 mentioned, I am opposed. I do not want to see the health 20 of young children of West Virginians and I don't want to 21 see the beautiful landscape destroyed by something coming 22 across that may not even go anywhere and not benefit us 23 at all. I understand that we need electricity. I'll be 24 the first one to say I understand if I flip the switch, 25 something works, hopefully. I don't know exactly how

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1 that comes across, but I do understand I don't want to 2 see that in a backyard, front yard, side yard. It just 3 depends on how somebody wants to move something around. 4 So I appreciate your time, consideration, and thank you. 5 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 6 Thank you. Are you going to turn that 7 in, ma'am? 8 MS. REED : 9 Yes. Thank you. 10 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 11 Yes, sir. 12 MR. PENNINGTON : 13 My name is Gilbert Tom Pennington, 14 P-E-N-N-I-N-G-T-O-N. I'm affected by this definitely. 15 I'm against it. If it was absolutely necessary to have 16 this line for the people of West Virginia, I might change 17 my mind. But for the people of Washington and Maryland 18 up there, let them build their own PATH. I don't see why 19 it's necessary to run this all the way up there for their 20 benefit and not for the people of West Virginia. 21 COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY : 22 Thank you. Anyone else? I'm not 23 seeing anyone. If I'm missing someone, stand up. 24 One, I'd like to thank everyone. And I 25 did --- I do apologize that we didn't maybe get to

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1 everyone, and some people had to leave. This is 2 something we take seriously, something that we pay 3 attention to. One of the reasons we have the public 4 hearing is to hear from the public. So thank you all for 5 showing up. Our next hearing is at 6:30 here this 6 evening. Thank you. 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 * * * * * * * 23 HEARING CONCLUDED AT 3:25 P.M. 24 * * * * * * * 25

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