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MEETING OF THE PARLIAMENT Wednesday 30 January 2002 (Afternoon) Session 1 £5.00 Parliamentary copyright. Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body 2002. Applications for reproduction should be made in writing to the Copyright Unit, Her Majesty’s Stationery Office, St Clements House, 2-16 Colegate, Norwich NR3 1BQ Fax 01603 723000, which is administering the copyright on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. Produced and published in Scotland on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body by The Stationery Office Ltd. Her Majesty’s Stationery Office is independent of and separate from the company now trading as The Stationery Office Ltd, which is responsible for printing and publishing Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body publications. CONTENTS Wednesday 30 January 2002 Debates Col. TIME FOR REFLECTION .................................................................................................................................... 5845 FUR FARMING (PROHIBITION) (SCOTLAND) BILL: STAGE 1 ............................................................................... 5847 Motion moved—[Ross Finnie]. The Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Ross Finnie) ....................................................... 5847 Richard Lochhead (North-East Scotland) (SNP) ....................................................................................... 5850 Alex Fergusson (South of Scotland) (Con) ................................................................................................ 5852 Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) .............................................................................................. 5855 Mr Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD) ................................................................. 5857 Alex Johnstone (North-East Scotland) (Con) ............................................................................................ 5858 John Farquhar Munro (Ross, Skye and Inverness West) (LD) ................................................................. 5860 Ben Wallace (North-East Scotland) (Con) ................................................................................................. 5862 Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab) ......................................................................................... 5863 Mr Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) ................................................................................... 5866 Stewart Stevenson (Banff and Buchan) (SNP) ......................................................................................... 5868 Ross Finnie ................................................................................................................................................ 5871 ADOPTION AND CHILDREN BILL ....................................................................................................................... 5875 Motion moved—[Cathy Jamieson]. The Minister for Education and Young People (Cathy Jamieson) ............................................................ 5875 Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP) ........................................................................................... 5877 Mrs Lyndsay McIntosh (Central Scotland) (Con) ...................................................................................... 5878 Ian Jenkins (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD) ............................................................................. 5879 Scott Barrie (Dunfermline West) (Lab) ...................................................................................................... 5880 Michael Russell (South of Scotland) (SNP) ............................................................................................... 5881 Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD) ...................................................................................................... 5883 Mr Frank McAveety (Glasgow Shettleston) (Lab) ..................................................................................... 5884 The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Patricia Ferguson) ................................................................... 5885 POLICE REFORM BILL ..................................................................................................................................... 5888 Motion moved—[Dr Richard Simpson]. The Deputy Minister for Justice (Dr Richard Simpson) ............................................................................. 5888 Roseanna Cunningham (Perth) (SNP) ...................................................................................................... 5890 Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (Lothians) (Con) ....................................................................................... 5892 Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD) ...................................................................................................... 5893 Gordon Jackson (Glasgow Govan) (Lab) .................................................................................................. 5894 Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con) ....................................................................................................................... 5896 Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab) ................................................................................................... 5897 Dr Simpson ................................................................................................................................................ 5898 PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU MOTIONS ................................................................................................................ 5900 Motions moved—[Euan Robson]. DECISION TIME ............................................................................................................................................... 5901 POLLUTION INVENTORY ................................................................................................................................... 5908 Motion debated—[Dr Sylvia Jackson]. Dr Sylvia Jackson (Stirling) (Lab) .............................................................................................................. 5908 Bruce Crawford (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP) ........................................................................................ 5911 John Scott (Ayr) (Con) ............................................................................................................................... 5912 Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD) ............................................................... 5914 Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green) ............................................................................................................... 5915 Dorothy-Grace Elder (Glasgow) (SNP) ..................................................................................................... 5917 The Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Allan Wilson) ......................................... 5919 5845 30 JANUARY 2002 5846 those who, in the years following—sometimes at Scottish Parliament great risk to themselves—worked to ease suffering and bring peace and reconciliation to those whose Wednesday 30 January 2002 lives were torn apart by hate and war. I look forward to that time when no one feels that they (Afternoon) are an outcast or a stranger and everyone feels that they belong together as part of the one family [THE PRESIDING OFFICER opened the meeting at of mankind under God. 14:30] Let us pray. Lord God, we pray for your peace in our world and in our lives. Bless all gathered here today and grant the gifts Time for Reflection needed for the tasks in hand: wisdom, patience, dedication, integrity, vision and humility, so that each may fulfil their The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel): To calling faithfully, mindful of all and mindful of you, through lead our time for reflection this week, we welcome Jesus Christ our Lord, the Rev Tilly Wilson, who is a Church of Scotland Amen. minister in Dysart, working with travelling people. Rev Tilly Wilson (Church of Scotland Minister Working with Travelling People): In Ephesians 2, we read: “And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near; for through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord.” Today we recall the Holocaust, in which 6 million Jews, 3 million Gypsies and many others died. For many people in Scotland, it brings feelings of sadness, sympathy for suffering victims, and a certain degree of revulsion that such a thing could happen. Yet those feelings are somewhat blunted by the passing of time and the knowledge that it all happened in another country, to people unrelated to them. For me, as a Gypsy Traveller, the remembering is more personal and painful, although I was not even born at the time. That is because I belong to a people whose corporate sense of belonging crosses boundaries of time and place and whose memories are passed down from one generation to another and so become part of everyone’s collective experience. For many years before I became a Christian, I carried around the baggage of the centuries of persecution