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Third Session - Thirty-Sixth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS OfficialReport (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Louise M. Dacquay Speaker Vol. XLVII No.16A -1:30 p.m., Monday, March 24, 1997 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Sixth Legislature Member Constituency Political Aff"iliation ASHTON, Steve Thompson N.D.P. BARRETT, Becky Wellington N.D.P. CERILLI, Marianne Radisson N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave Kildonan N.D.P. CUMMINGS, Glen, Hon. Ste. Rose P.C. DACQUAY, Louise, Hon. Seine River P.C. DERKACH, Leonard, Hon. Roblin-Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary Concordia N.D.P. DOWNEY, James, Hon. Arthur-Virden P.C. DRIEDGER, Albert Steinbach P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. ENNS, Harry, Hon. Lakeside P.C. ERNST, Jim Charleswood P.C. EVANS, Clif Interlake N.D.P. EVANS, Leonard S. Brandon East N.D.P. FILMON, Gary, Hon. Tuxedo P.C. FINDLAY, Glen, Hon. Springfield P.C. FRIESEN, Jean Wolseley N.D.P. GAUDRY, Neil St. Boniface Lib. GILLESHAMMER, Harold, Hon. Minnedosa P.C. HELWER, Edward Gimli P.C. HICKES, George Point Douglas N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. KOWALSKI, Gary The Maples Lib. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATHLIN, Oscar The Pas N.D.P. LAURENDEAU, Marcel St. Norbert P.C. MACKINTOSH, Gord St. Johns N.D.P. MALOWA Y, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McALPINE, Gerry Sturgeon Creek P.C. McCRAE, James, Hon. Brandon West P.C. McGIFFORD, Diane Osborne N.D.P. MciNTOSH, Linda, Hon. Assiniboia P.C. MIHYCHUK, MaryAnn St. James N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie, Hon. River East P.C. NEWMAN, David, Hon. Riel P.C. PALLISTER, Brian Portage Ia Prairie P.C. PENNER, Jack Emerson P.C. PITURA, Frank, Hon. Morris P.C. PRAZNIK, Darren, Hon. Lac du Bonnet P.C. RADCLIFFE, Mike, Hon. River Heights P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D.P. REIMER, Jack, Hon. Niakwa P.C. RENDER, Shirley St. Vital P.C. ROBINSON, Eric Rupertsland N.D.P. ROC AN, Denis Gladstone P.C. SALE, Tim Crescentwood N.D.P. SANTOS, Conrad Broadway N.D.P. STEFANSON, Eric, Hon. Kirkfield Park P.C. STRUTHERS, Stan Dauphin N.D.P. SVEINSON, Ben La Verendrye P.C. TOEWS, Vic, Hon. Rossmere P.C. TWEED, Mervin Turtle Mountain P.C. VODREY, Rosemary, Hon. Fort Garry P.C. WOWCHUK, Rosann Swan River N.D.P. 741 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Monday, March 24, 1997 The House met at 1:30 p.m. detailed plan to fight youth crime that is well thought through and constructive. PRAYERS WHEREFORE YOUR PETITIONERS HUMBLY ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS PRAY that the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba urge the Minister of Justice (Mr. Toews) to consider using READING AND RECEIVING PETITIONS this action plan as a basis for provincial policy on organized criminal gangs. Gang Action Plan * (1335) Madam Speaker: I have reviewed the petition of the honourable member for St. Johns (Mr. Mackintosh). It complies with the rules and practices of the House. Is ORAL QUESTION PERIOD it the will of the House to have the petition read? Home Oxygen Supply Services An Honourable Member: Yes. Privatization-Cost Analysis Madam Speaker: Yes. The Clerk will read. Mr. Gary Doer (Leader of the Opposition): Madam Speaker, my question is to the First Minister (Mr. Mr. Clerk (William Remnant): The petition of the Filmon). Last Friday, his Minister of Health was undersigned citizens of the province of Manitoba quoted as saying, in dealing with the Home Oxygen humbly sheweth: Program,that theyhad no studies and they, in fact, did not know the cost issues related to the decision to THAT the increase in violent crimes in Manitoba privatize the Home Oxygen Program. since 1990 has been more than three times as much as the Canadian average; and On Saturday, after we had tabled one study in this Legislature, the minister admitted that there were at THAT crime can only be effectively dealt with least three studies that the government had conducted through both prevention and suppression; and on the decision on Home Oxygen Therapy programs, and given the fact that in this House before we have THAT the tough talk of the Manitoba Justice minister had cover-up after cover-up of reports dealing with has not been matched with action; and privatization andestablishing profitin the health care system witnessedlast yearin home care, I would like to THAT Manitobans want a positive, comprehensive ask the Premier to stop the secrecy, stop the cover-up response to crime and gang crime that provides and order his Minister of Finance (Mr. Stefanson) and alternatives for youth; and his Minister of Health to table all relevant reports in this Legislature on behalf of Manitobans. THAT the New Democratic Partyhas put forward an 18-point plan to deal with gang crime; and Hon. Darren Praznik (Minister of Health): First of THAT this plan is divided into elements focused on all, there is no cover-up, Madam Speaker. There is no both the justice system and families, schools and hiding. The report that the member for Concordia communities; and tabled in this House, or bits and pieces fromit, was an analysis that wasdone by one individual in 1993 that THAT this costed plan has been subject to did not include all of the costs and, quite frankly, was widespread consultation and has been praised as a dismissed by the department. 742 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 24, 1997 The other report that he referred to, Madam Speaker, In the small areas in the health care system we have estimated the cost of providing the care in the private done and tested that. He certainly cannot say we are sector with no particular analysis at $1 ,500 per unit. In privatizing the system. In fact, as we move to a more sorting this out, in going to tender, we brought that cost centralizedorganization in governance, I would suggest in at-I believe it is around $1,050 approximately per we are going just in the opposite direction. client, which is well under, or under any projections or actual costs. The taxpayers save money; the consumer Privatization now gets a service-what was provided by two providers, now provided by one. Mr. Gary Doer (Leader of the Opposition): Again, the First Minister (Mr. Filmon) did not answer the The Leader of the Opposition is just wrong in his question. analysis. We want all documents, evaluations and studies Rimer Alco Contract tabled before all Manitobans because we found when the government said they did not have the Connie Mr. Gary Doer (Leader of the Opposition): Madam Curran report on home care, they were not telling us the Speaker, I asked the Premier to table the information, truth. We found before when they said they did not the analysis, so all Manitobans will know what the facts have an advisory committee report on home care and figures are. What is the government afraid of? services, it had recommended the government'sextreme That is the real question. position. On page 4 of one of the government'sstudies, they say that we had been required-the government MadamSpeaker, on Friday the Minister of Health in health care department-to do the evaluation due to the Hansard stated: The prime issue is one of service. lobbying efforts by private oxygen suppliers. I would like to table a letter from the Manitoba I would like to ask the Premier is this decision to Association of Registered Respiratory Therapists, proceed with the privatization of home oxygen services wherein they conclude that they are profoundly on the basis of patient care, on the basis of advice from disappointed at the process that was used by the health care professionals or is it their own extreme government to arrive at the decision to tender out the ideological position based on lobbying from private home oxygen process to the Rimer Alco company. I profit oxygen firms. would like to ask the Premier why, again, do we see the governmentgoing against their own health care experts Hon. Darren Praznik (Minister of Health): Madam and putting the quality of patient care at risk with the Speaker, I am somewhat amazed at the question from ideologically extreme position that this government is the Leader of the Opposition. After listening to taking on home oxygen therapy services. members of the New Democratic Party last week defending the large oxygen interests in this country and * (1340) the situation where Canadians and Manitobans were overcharged for oxygen and attacking a company that Hon. Darren Praznik(Minister of Health): Madam in the oxygen business has brought a great competitive Speaker, again, to the Leader of the Opposition, I think force and reduced the cost of oxygen in the hospitals he overexaggerates considerably this whole situation. with concentrators by 34 percent, to hear them today He came to this House telling us that it would cost asking that question seems a bit inconsistent. $1,500, $2,000, $3,000 per patient with respect to oxygen. The tendered price came in at $1,050. That is Madam Speaker, this is not a case of putting anyone why, in fact, in sorting things out, with often a lot of at risk. We had two places for people to contact: one different information from a lot of different sources, to get their equipment fromgovernment, one previously what clearly sorted this issue out was the fact that we a private supplier of oxygen. This has been did go to a tendering process, which ensures, I think, a amalgamated into one service, which is much better, I better service and a reasonable cost.