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Second Session - Thirty-Ninth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development Chairperson Ms. Erna Braun Constituency of Rossmere Vol. LX No. 4 - 6 p.m., Wednesday, May 28, 2008 ISSN 1708-6698 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Ninth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital N.D.P. ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley N.D.P. ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson N.D.P. BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli N.D.P. BLADY, Sharon Kirkfield Park N.D.P. BOROTSIK, Rick Brandon West P.C. BRAUN, Erna Rossmere N.D.P. BRICK, Marilyn St. Norbert N.D.P. BRIESE, Stuart Ste. Rose P.C. CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan N.D.P. CULLEN, Cliff Turtle Mountain P.C. DERKACH, Leonard Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary, Hon. Concordia N.D.P. DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside P.C. FAURSCHOU, David Portage la Prairie P.C. GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach P.C. GRAYDON, Cliff Emerson P.C. HAWRANIK, Gerald Lac du Bonnet P.C. HICKES, George, Hon. Point Douglas N.D.P. HOWARD, Jennifer Fort Rouge N.D.P. IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri, Hon. Fort Garry N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. JHA, Bidhu Radisson N.D.P. KORZENIOWSKI, Bonnie St. James N.D.P. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATHLIN, Oscar, Hon. The Pas N.D.P. LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. La Verendrye N.D.P. MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns N.D.P. MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden P.C. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARCELINO, Flor Wellington N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McFADYEN, Hugh Fort Whyte P.C. McGIFFORD, Diane, Hon. Lord Roberts N.D.P. MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East P.C. NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake N.D.P. OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River N.D.P. PEDERSEN, Blaine Carman P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D.P. ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Rupertsland N.D.P. RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia N.D.P. ROWAT, Leanne Minnedosa P.C. SARAN, Mohinder The Maples N.D.P. SCHULER, Ron Springfield P.C. SELBY, Erin Southdale N.D.P. SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St. Boniface N.D.P. STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo P.C. STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin-Roblin N.D.P. SWAN, Andrew, Hon. Minto N.D.P. TAILLIEU, Mavis Morris P.C. WOWCHUK, Rosann, Hon. Swan River N.D.P. 185 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT Wednesday, May 28, 2008 TIME – 6 p.m. Bill 36–The Municipal Assessment Amendment Act LOCATION – Winnipeg, Manitoba Mr. David Sanders, Deloitte & Touche LLP CHAIRPERSON – Ms. Erna Braun (Rossmere) Property Tax Services VICE-CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Rob Altemeyer Bill 31–The Freedom of Information and (Wolseley) Protection of Privacy Amendment Act ATTENDANCE – 11 QUORUM – 6 Mr. Trevor Gates, Private Citizen Mr. Ken Waddell, Private Citizen Members of the Committee present: Mrs. Christine Waddell, Private Citizen Ms. Kelly deGroot, Private Citizen Hon. Mr. Lemieux, Hon. Mses. Melnick, Mr. Rick Negrych, Private Citizen Oswald, Hon. Messrs. Robinson, Rondeau Bill 34–The Child and Family Services Mr. Altemeyer, Ms. Braun, Messrs. Cullen, Amendment and Child and Family Services Derkach, Mrs. Stefanson, Mrs. Taillieu Authorities Amendment Act (Safety of Children) APPEARING: Mr. Ken Waddell, Private Citizen Hon. Andrew Swan, MLA for Minto Bill 10–The Legislative Library Act Hon. Steve Ashton, MLA for Thompson Mr. Blaine Pedersen, MLA for Carman Mr. Ken Waddell, Private Citizen Hon. Gord Mackintosh, MLA for St. Johns Mr. Ron Schuler, MLA for Springfield Bill 22–The Worker Recruitment and Protection Hon. Nancy Allan, MLA for St. Vital Act WITNESSES Bill 32–The Personal Health Information Mr. Darrell Rankin, Communist Party–Manitoba Amendment Act WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS: Mr. George Fraser, Massage Therapy Bill 32–The Personal Health Information Association of Manitoba Amendment Act Ms. Gloria Desorcy, Manitoba Branch, Consumers' Association of Canada Mr. Stuart Murray, St. Boniface Hospital and Research Foundation Ms. Pam Brown, Private Citizen Bill 36–The Municipal Assessment Amendment Bill 15–The Climate Change and Emissions Act Reductions Act Mr. Antoine Hacault, Private Citizen Ms. Kristal Bayes, Private Citizen Bill 31–The Freedom of Information and Mr. Trevor Gates, Private Citizen Protection of Privacy Amendment Act Mr. Ken Waddell, Private Citizen Ms. Ruth Pryzner, Private Citizen Mr. Howard Rubuck, Private Citizen Mr. Andrew Basham, Green Party of Manitoba MATTERS UNDER CONSIDERATION: Mr. David Enns, Private Citizen Mr. Rick Negrych, Private Citizen Bill 10–The Legislative Library Act 186 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 28, 2008 Bill 13–The Highway Traffic Amendment Act Compensation Act (Water Resources Administration (Damage to Infrastructure) Act Amended); Bill 31, The Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Amendment Act; Bill 32, Bill 15–The Climate Change and Emissions The Personal Health Information Amendment Act; Reductions Act Bill 33, The Salvation Army Grace General Hospital Bill 16–The Child Care Safety Charter Incorporation Amendment Act; Bill 34, The Child (Community Child Care Standards Act and Family Services Amendment and Child and Amended) Family Services Authorities Amendment Act (Safety of Children); Bill 36, The Municipal Assessment Bill 19–The Liquor Control Amendment Act Amendment Act. Bill 21–The Advisory Council on Workforce Development Act We have a number of presenters registered to speak this evening. Please refer to your presenters Bill 22–The Worker Recruitment and Protection list. Act Before we proceed with presentations, we do Bill 23–The International Labour Cooperation have a number of other items and points of Agreements Implementation Act information to consider. First of all, if there is Bill 27–The Shellmouth Dam and Other Water anyone else in the audience who would like to make Control Works Management and Compensation a presentation this evening, please register with staff Act (Water Resources Administration Act at the entrance of the room. Amended) Also, for the information of all presenters, while Bill 31–The Freedom of Information and written versions of presentations are not required, if Protection of Privacy Amendment Act you are going to accompany your presentation with written materials, we ask that you provide 20 copies. Bill 32–The Personal Health Information If you need help with photocopying, please speak Amendment Act with our staff. Bill 33–The Salvation Army Grace General Hospital Incorporation Amendment Act As well, I would like to inform presenters that, in accordance with our rules, a time limit of Bill 34–The Child and Family Services 10 minutes has been allotted for presentations, with Amendment and Child and Family Services another five minutes allowed for questions from Authorities Amendment Act (Safety of Children) committee members. Bill 36–The Municipal Assessment Amendment Also, in accordance with our rules, if a presenter Act is not in attendance when their name is called, they * * * will be dropped to the bottom of the list. If the presenter is not in attendance when their name is Madam Chairperson: Good evening. Will the called a second time, they will be removed from the Standing Committee on Social and Economic presenters' list. Development please come to order. This meeting has been called to consider the Written submissions from the following persons following bills: Bill 10, The Legislative Library Act; have been received and distributed to committee Bill 13, The Highway Traffic Amendment Act members: Stuart Murray, St. Boniface Hospital and (Damage to Infrastructure); Bill 15, The Climate Research Foundation, on Bill 32; Antoine Hacault, Change and Emissions Reduction Act; Bill 16, The private citizen, on Bill 36; Ruth Pryzner, private Child Care Safety Charter (Community Child Care citizen, on Bill 31. Standards Act Amended); Bill 19, The Liquor Does the committee agree to have these Control Amendment Act; Bill 21, The Advisory documents appear in the Hansard transcript of this Council on Workforce Development Act; Bill 22, meeting? [Agreed] The Worker Recruitment and Protection Act; Bill 23, The International Labour Cooperation Agreements On the topic of determining the order of public Implementation Act; Bill 27, The Shellmouth Dam presentations, I will note the committee agreed to and Other Water Control Works Management and hear public presentations of the bills in numerical May 28, 2008 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 187 order. We left off hearing presentations on Bill 32 It would seem to me that this discussion also last night; however, since last night, a presenter has took place in the other committee room, and I'm not been registered to speak to Bill 22. sure that there was a consistent message. How does the committee wish to proceed with Now, my understanding also is that we were hearing the order of public presentations tonight? supposed to get information and clarification before Hon. Steve Ashton (Minister of the conclusion of last night's meeting. That did not Intergovernmental Affairs): I would suggest that happen, and all we see is the posting of the notice on we continue at the point we're at in terms of bills, the Clerk's door. This is a very strange set of complete the bills and then return to the additional circumstances because it would seem to me that presenter, because I do note that there have been when Manitobans want to register, through an office some people here 12 hours. So we should give them of the Legislative Assembly, to come before a the courtesy of hearing them first, and then we can committee, it is up to the Legislative Assembly to return to any remaining presenters on Bill 22 or other ensure that there are personnel available to take those bills. calls. Madam Chairperson: Okay.