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Mr. Nichols: How long did you spend out there in the Gilberts?

Mr. Delisle: About two or three months. While we were there, one of the ships with us, the USS Independence, was torpedoed by a torpedo that missed us by approximately 200 feet. It his the USS Independence and it crippled it, because it hit the after engine room.

Mr. Nichols: How long were you off of Tarawa bombarding the island?

Mr. Delisle: We used to strike the island one day and go back again the next day. In the meantime the airplanes were bombarding it, too. When the initial invasion started, we stood off to protect them because they were sending planes from to attack the fleet and the landing craft.

Mr. Nichols: When did the initial invasion take place, do you recall?

Mr. Delisle: The exact date, no. I think it was in December of ‘43.

Mr. Nichols: And the whole landing operation lasted about three days?

Mr. Delisle: Oh, it lasted a little longer than that. It lasted at least a week.

Mr. Nichols: But most of the fatalities came during the first

Mr. Delisle: The first three or five days.

Mr. Nichols: Then you headed back to Pearl?

Mr. Delisle: We went back to Pearl and that was the last time we saw Pearl Harbor or any land for six months.

Mr. Nichols: Did you get a little R&R when you went back to Pearl? Did you get off the ship?

Mr. Delisle: No, they sent me to a school for the Pacific Fleet. I was in Honolulu at an advanced training course to become an instructor, a little deeper than I used to be. After that we Ddisle - .1 went out with the fleet, 38. We crisscrossed and struck just about every island in the Pacific. So I was in every combat after , all the way in to .

Mr. Nichols: You were at Guadalcanal also?

Mr. Delisle: No, that one I missed. The Gilberts were the first, Tarawa was my first one. Then we island hopped to New Guinea, to Truk, Palalu, Eniwetok, we hit just about all of them. In fact, we did hit every one of them. We were going to invade Truk, the Japanese so- called “Pearl Harbor,” but we sank the ships in the harbor so we didn’t have to go in. Then after that, we got involved with , , , and , and Iwo Jima, and like I said, we hit every island in the Pacific.

Mr. Nichols: When you were at Chi Chi Jima was the San Jacinto there with you when George Bush. Is this when he got shot down?

Mr. Delisle: George Bush was off of, around Truk. I remember the radio communication between and the planes that were keeping an observation for Bush. We knew just when the rescue was accomplished.

Mr. Nichols: But you weren’t directly involved in this rescue, defending him from Japanese forces.

Mr. Delisle: No, we weren’t. Sub crews had that under control.

Mr. Nichols: Were you attacked by any other torpedo planes other than the one that missed you and hit one of your sister ships?

Mr. Delisle: Oh, yes. We were attacked when the New Lexington came out, in one of the attacks on the . they used us as a decoy to protect the rest of the task group. We were supposed to stand by the New Lexington at night, it was under a night attack. A plane came in a dropped a torpedo, and it missed us and it hit the New Lexington. They sent the New Lexington back to Pearl Harbor, and we stayed out there. Kwajalein, Majuro, Eniwetok, every one of the islands.

Mr. Nichols: So the Oakland pretty well got around then. It never received any damage of any big consequence?

Mr. Delisle: Not of any big consequence. We had shrapnel damage.

Mr. Nichols: Ever struck by a , or attacked by a kamikaze?

Mr. Delisle: We were attacked by them, but we were never hit. Incidentally, my brother was on a ship which was identical to mine, and there were only three of them afloat at that time. We used to have three units in the task force, we’d strike one island and one of the other Dc1i1c - units would strike another island, and the third unit would strike still another one. For about six months we used to listen to Rose on the ship’s P.A. system. She couldn’t understand how we could attack one island and the next morning attack another one maybe four hundred miles away, she couldn’t understand how we got there that fast. Because each one of these units was made up of identical ships, they had the same silhouettes.

Mr. Nichols: And the Japanese patrol planes never figured it out.

Mr. Delisle: They never knew which one it was. There was the Oakland, the San Diego, and the San Juan. They were a special kind of ships. They had a very distinctive 3 unit silhouette. Sometimes it looked like you were going frontwards if you were actually in reverse.

Mr. Nichols: And they camouflaged them that way too.

Mr. Delisle: Yes. And six months later, I can remember the day that Tokyo Rose got on the radio, and she said “Oh, you Americans. Now we know how you attacked these islands so fast.” The secret was out.

Mr. Nichols: What kind of armament did you have on your cruiser, besides guns. Did you have.

Mr. Delisle: There were 12 five-inch 38s, there were approximately io 40 mm., and a whole battery of 20 mm. guns, and also torpedoes. We had a torpedo rack.

Mr. Nichols: You didn’t have any eight-inch, was it the heavy cruisers that had the eight-inch?

Mr. Delisle: Yes, the light cruisers, and the heavies.

Mr. Nichols: Were you five-inchers in open vaults, or were they in turrets?

Mr. Delisle: All in turrets. Three forward, three aft.

Mr. Nichols: And these were dual mounts, or were they.

Mr. Delisle: Yes, twin mounts.

Mr. Nichols: How did they get the ammunition up from the hold of the ship?

Mr. Delisle: From the magazine they had a hoist that went from the magazine, which was on the bottom plates of the ship, up to the upper handling room which was just below the mount. From there they put it into another hoist that brought it right into the mount. As they were doing that, they used to set the fuses on the projectiles.

Mr. Nichols: And these were complete shells, you didn’t have to put in a projectile and powder. . DdisLc - 6 Mr. Delisle: Two pack. There was a charge shell and the projectile.

Mr. Nichols: And these were all loaded by hand.

Mr. Delisle: All loaded by hand.

Mr. Nichols: But they were directed by remote? Did you have radar directors?

Mr. Delisle: Oh yes. Mag 58s. We also on one occasion used a local manual training and pointing, because we had lost our control from the director.

Mr. Nichols: Were you in charge of a gun crew?

Mr. Delisle: I was in charge of number two mount, five-inch mount. The magazines and all.

Mr. Nichols: Did you have twin 40 mm.s or were they quad mounts.

Mr. Delisle: We had single mounts, single 205.

Mr. Nichols: And 40S, what about the 40s?

Mr. Delisle: The 40s, they were quad mounts as well as twin mounts. We used to get all our ammunition, food, and water, from tankers at sea.

Mr. Nichols: How often did they resupply you?

Mr. Delisle: Whenever we needed it, actually. Sometimes every two weeks, sometimes every four weeks or three weeks. One time we had gone without seeing land or without getting off the ship for six months.

Mr. Nichols: Could you refuel on the fly, so 1o speak?

Mr. Delisle: Yes, always. Sometimes we’d refuel from a tanker, sometimes we’d refuel from the other cruiser, and sometimes from an .

Mr. Nichols: Didn’t Chester Nimitz kind of develop this refuel on the fly?

Mr. Delisle: I don’t know if he was directly responsible for it, but I know it was done all during the war. In fact, at one time we had hit one of the worst that they had ever hit in the Pacific, and we were trying to refuel just before we got hit by that . We tried to ballast the ships by having full tanks, but it got so bad that some of the couldn’t load up with oil, and during that typhoon, to my recollection it lasted five days.

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