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CANADA VOLUME 133 S NUMBER 207 S 1st SESSION S 35th PARLIAMENT OFFICIAL REPORT (HANSARD) Tuesday, May 30, 1995 Speaker: The Honourable Gilbert Parent CONTENTS (Table of Contents appears at back of this issue.) The House of Commons Debates and the Proceedings of Committee evidence are accessible on the Parliamentary Internet Parlementaire at the following address: http://www.parl.gc.ca 12965 HOUSE OF COMMONS Tuesday, May 30, 1995 The House met at 10 a.m. (Motion agreed to.) _______________ Mr. Peter Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Madam Prayers Speaker, I have a second motion. _______________ There is a change in the membership of the Standing Commit- tee on Procedure and House Affairs with respect to associate members. If the House gives its consent, I move: ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS That the name of the following member be added to the list of associate members of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs: Mr. Alcock. [Translation] (Motion agreed to.) GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO PETITIONS Mr. Peter Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of Mr. Peter Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Madam the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speak- Speaker, I move: er, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), I have the honour to table, That pursuant to subsection 7.(7) of the Referendum Act, chapter 30, Statutes of in both official languages, the government’s response to two Canada, 1992, the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs be the petitions. committee to undertake the review of the regulations proposed under subsections 7(3)and (4) of the act. * * * (Motion agreed to.) STANDING COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT * * * OPERATIONS The Acting Speaker (Mrs. Maheu): Pursuant to Standing D (1015) Order 81(4)(a), the following motion, standing in the name of the Leader of the Opposition, is deemed adopted: ‘‘That, pur- PETITIONS suant to Standing Order 81(4)(a), consideration of Privy Coun- RIGHTS OF GRANDPARENTS cil votes 1, 5, 10 and 35 of the Main Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1996, by the Standing Committee on Govern- Mr. Randy White (Fraser Valley West, Ref.): Madam ment Operations, be extended beyond May 31, 1995’’. Speaker, I have two petitions to present today to the House. In the first residents within my riding of Langley, Abbotsford and * * * Aldergrove ask Parliament amend the Divorce Act to include a [English] provision similar to article 611 of the Quebec civil code which states that in no case may a father or mother without serious COMMITTEES OF THE HOUSE cause place obstacles between a child and grandparents and failing agreement between the parties the modalities of the PROCEDURE AND HOUSE AFFAIRS relations are settled by the court. Mr. Peter Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Madam HUMAN RIGHTS Speaker, when the House last sat on Friday I presented to the Mr. Randy White (Fraser Valley West, Ref.): The second House the 78th report of the Standing Committee on Procedure petition, Madam Speaker, requests that Parliament not amend and House Affairs regarding associate membership of the Stand- the human rights code, the Canadian Human Rights Act or the ing Committee on Finance. charter of rights and freedoms in any way which would tend to I believe it would be appropriate that I move that the 78th indicate societal approval of same sex relationships or of report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House homosexuality, including amendment the human rights code to Affairs, presented to the House on Friday, May 19, be concurred include in the prohibited grounds of discrimination the unde- in. fined phrase sexual orientation. 12966 COMMONS DEBATES May 30, 1995 Supply ASSISTED SUICIDE firearms, and abolish any existing gun control laws which have proven to be ineffective. Mr. Bill Gilmour (Comox—Alberni, Ref.): Madam Speak- er, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I am pleased to present the * * * following two petitions from my riding. The first containing 53 signatures requests that Parliament ensure the present provi- QUESTIONS ON THE ORDER PAPER sions of the Criminal Code of Canada prohibiting assisted Mr. Peter Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of suicide be enforced vigorously and that Parliament make no the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Madam changes in the law which would sanction or allow the aiding or Speaker, I ask that all questions be allowed to stand. abetting of suicide or active or passive euthanasia. The Acting Speaker (Mrs. Maheu): Is it agreed? RIGHTS OF THE UNBORN Some hon. members: Agreed. Mr. Bill Gilmour (Comox—Alberni, Ref.): The second _____________________________________________ petition, Madam Speaker, containing 50 signatures requests that Parliament immediately extend protection to the unborn child GOVERNMENT ORDERS by amending the Criminal Code to extend the same protection enjoyed by born human beings to unborn human beings. [English] JUSTICE SUPPLY ALLOTTED DAY—EMPLOYMENT EQUITY Mr. Chuck Strahl (Fraser Valley East, Ref.): Madam Speaker, I have the honour to present three petitions protesting Mr. Chuck Strahl (Fraser Valley East, Ref.) moved: Bill C–41 today. One hundred and eight additional constituents That this House deplore the government’s employment equity policy as of mine protest that Bill C–41 will establish a dual standard of unnecessary,ineffective, costly, unpopular,intrusive, discriminatory and harmfulto justice by punishing identical crimes with different sentences. designated and non–designated groups; that this House recognize the equality of all Canadians by affirming that hiring and promotion be based solely on merit They also protest the inclusion of the undefined phrase sexual rather than on gender and race; and that discriminatory employment practices be orientation in federal legislation because they feel it will lead to more vigorously pursued on an individual, case by case basis. some people being given special legal rights. D (1020) GUN CONTROL He said: Madam Speaker, I appreciate your reading that through to its very logical conclusion. I appreciate the way you Mr. Chuck Strahl (Fraser Valley East, Ref.): Madam put the emphasis on the right spots and so on. It was well read. Speaker, I also have the honour to present two additional Employment equity is really the last gasp effort of an old petitions against Bill C–68, the gun control bill. Three hundred government style brought forward from the 1960s and 1970s and seven more petitioners feel existing gun control laws are that says governments need to be involved in every little aspect doing the job in Canada, that new laws will be ineffective and of Canadian life. expensive and that money and resources ought to be diverted toward fighting crime instead of fighting responsible gun own- When one finds an area in which the government is not ers. involved it seems this government is still hanging on to the residual of an idea that perhaps what we should do is interfere I am pleased to agree with both of these petitions. wherever we can in the marketplace, in people’s lives, in intrusive legislation; employment equity probably being the last Mr. Jay Hill (Prince George—Peace River, Ref.): Madam serious effort to intrude in corporate and individual lives from Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I am today presenting coast to coast. petitions signed by constituents of Prince George—Peace River. Employment equity is a road paved with good intentions. It is They feel that no amount of gun control has ever succeeded in an idea that perhaps by enforcing certain racial goals, numerical preventing criminals from acquiring guns by illegal means. goals and targets on employment hiring practices we can some- how make Canada more discrimination free and that we will all Furthermore, the petitioners feel that many existing firearms live in the utopia the Liberals would have us believe is just regulations were brought in for a matter of public policy with no around the bend. regard to future effectiveness and potential benefit. Employment equity and affirmative action have fallen on hard Therefore they ask Parliament to support laws which punish times lately around the world. Employment equity is being criminals using firearms, support, recognize and protect the challenged and being defeated in the United States courts, rights of law–abiding citizens to own and use recreational including the Supreme Court, one case after another. May 30, 1995 COMMONS DEBATES 12967 Supply There is a proposition in California that will banish affirma- coercive and that numerical targets are not really quotas. The tive action plans from its law books probably within the year. In government says not to worry, it has numerical goals; they are Canada, however, instead of following the lead of around the not quotas, don’t worry, be happy. world which is to get away from social manipulation, for some reason the government has decided to expand the employment It is interesting because that is not according to what all equity program. Liberals say. The federal and provincial wings of the Liberal Party are divided. We saw a senior federal Liberal saying a It has brought in Bill C–64 which will expand it to include not Liberal is a Liberal is a Liberal. We have had numerous only people regulated by the federal government but the entire statements in the House from federal Liberals endorsing the public service, the RCMP, the Canadian Armed Forces, CSIS provincial Liberal program of Lyn McLeod. What did Lyn and so on. It is a very intrusive bill. It smacks of social McLeod say about employment equity? engineering of the worst kind. In the bottom line, it is very discriminatory and that is why the Reform Party opposes it.
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