Tenth Series, Vol. XV No, 31 Thursday, August20, 1992 Sravana 29, 1992/1914 (Saka)
LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)
Fourth Session (Tenth Lok Sabha)
LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI Price: Rs., 50,00 CONTENTS o [Tenth Series, Vol. Xv, Fourth Session, 1992/1914 (Saka)]
No. 31, Thursday, August 20, 1992/Sravana 29,1914 (Saka)
COLUMNS
onstitution(Seventy-Eighth Amendment) Bill 8-70 Motion to introduce
ShriS.B. Chavan 8-11
Motion to consider
Shri S.B. Chavan
Shri Inder Jit 12-19
Shri Guman Mal Lodha 19-20
Clauses 2 and 1 34-47
Motion to Pass
Shri S.B. Chavan 47
SalaryAllowance, s and Pension of Members of 70-94 Parliament(Amendment) Bill 108-109
Motion to introduce
Shri Ghulam Nabi Azad 70
Motion to consider
Shri Ghulam Nabi Azad 70-71
"S':lri Nitish Kumar 72-73
o Shri Somnath Chatterjee 73-75
Shri Chandra Shekhar 75-76 ""
(ii)
COLUMNS
Shri Indrajit Gupta 76-78 •
Prof. Prem Dhumal 78-79
Shri Sobhanadreeswara Rao Vadde 79-80
Shri Ram Nagina Mishra eO-81
Shri Suraj Mandal 81-83
Shri M.A. Kadambur Janarthanan 83-84
Shri Chitta Basu 84-85
Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait 85-87
Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh 87
Shri A. Charles 87-90
Shri Kirip Chaliha 90-91
Shri Chiranji Lal Sharma 91
Shri Harchand Singh 92
Shri Madan Lal Khurana 93-94
Shri E. Ahamed 94·95
Shri Mohammad AIi Ashraf Fatmi 95
Shri Syed Masudal Hossain 95-96
Shri Bhogendra Jha 96 o Shri Yaima Singh Yumnam 97
Shri Vijay Naval Patil . 97
Shri Nirmal Kanti Chatterjee 98
Motion for adjourning the debate 108-109
Shri Rangarajan Kumaramangalam 108
Re. Shri Win Chadha 103-108
National Highways (Amendment) Bill 109-118 (iii)
COlUMNS Motion to consider
Shri Jagdish Tytler 109-115
Clauses 2,3, and 1 116-117
Motion to Pass
Shri Jagdish Tytler 117
Dr. Asim Bala 117-118
Papen; Laid on the Table 118-144
:-~ssages from Rajya Sabha 144:145
Assent to Btll 145
Rules Committiee 145-148
First Report - Laid
Estimates Committee 148
Nineteenth and Twentieth Reports - Presented
PL;blic Accounts Committee 149 lilirty-third, Thirty-Fourth, Thirty fifth and Thirty-sixth Reports - Presented
Joint Committee on Fertilizer Pricing 149-150 Report and Minutes - Presented
Committee on Public Undertakings 150 Ninth Report and Minutes - Presented
Petition Re. Checking of Water Logging in Bandel Subway 150 (Bazapara) by its Renovation and for construction of Foot Oveibridge connecting All Platforms of Bandel Railway Junction
Statement Correcting reply to starred question 150-151 No. 270 dated 27.7.1992 Re. Loss in Vaydoot
Shri Rangarajan Kumaramangalam 151
Business Advisory Committee 151-152 Twenty-First Repprt
Passports (Amendment) Bill - IRtroduced 152-202 (iv)
Matters Under Rule 377 202-210, {, (i) Need to allow U.P. Government 202-203 to set up an Agricultural University in Bichpuri, Agra
Shri Bhagwan Shankar Rawat
(ii) Need to lay new rail line 203 in Beed district. Maharashtra
Shrimati Kesharbai Sonaji Kshirsagar
(iii) Need to improve the telephone service in 203-2041 the country paricularly in Sitapur district, U.P.
Shri Janardan Mishra
(iv) Need to expedite the work of various power 204-205 projects in Orissa
Shri Braja Kishore Tripathy
(v) Need to introduce direct trains from Bare illy to 205 Bombay and South Incia
o Shri Santosh Kumar Gangwar
(vi) Need for early clearance to thermal power 205-206 stations at Kharagprasad and Durgapur in Dhenkanal district, Orissa
Shri K.P. Singh Deo
(vii) Need to repair the bridge on NH 17 across 206-207 Sharavati at Honnavar expeditiously and to instal weigh bridges to regulate transit of vehicles
Shri V. Dhananjay Kumar
(viii) Need to set up more LPG outlets in Salumber 207 parliamentary constituency, Rajasthan
Shri Bheru Lal Meena
(ix) Need to formulate a comprehensive plan 208-209 for the development of Pushkar Sarovar, Rajasthan
Prof. Rasa Singh Rawat (v)
CoLUMNS
(x) Need to formulate a scheme for the farmers 209-210 of Bihar to enable them to cope with the natural calamities
.Shri Nitish Kumar
Infant Milk Substitutes, Feeding Bottles and Infant Foous 210-220 . (Regulation of Production, Supply and Distribution) Bill 221-258
Motion to consider
Kumari Mamata Banerjee 210-212
Shri Ram Naik 212-219
Shrimati Girija Devi 221-224
Shrimaii Malini Bhattacharaya 224-229
Dr. G.L. Kanaujia 229-234
Shrimati Geeta Mukherjee 23~-235
Shri Anatrao Deshmukh 235-239
Shrir'nati Saroj Dubey 239-242
Shri Sobhanadreeswara Rao Vadde 242-243
Dr. laxminarayan Pandeya 243-246
Shri P.C. Thomas 246-247
Shrimati Sumitra Mahajan 247-249
Clauses 2 to 26 and 1 255-256 Motion to Pass .
Kumari Mamata Banerjee 249-255
Statement by Minister 220-221 Enhancement in Pension of freedom fighters in Union Territories of Delhi and Pondicherry
Shri S.B. Chavan 220
Rehabilitation Council of India Bill 258-272
Motion to consider
Shrimati K. Kamala Kumari 258-260 (vi)
Shri Girdhari Lal Bhargava 260-262,
Dr. Sudhir Ray 262-263
0 Prof. Rasa Singh Rawat 263-265 r: Shri Nitish Kumar 265-266
Shri Dattatraya Bandaru 266-267
Shri Sitaram Kesri 267-269
Clauses 2 to 30 and 1 269-270 Motion to Pass
Shri Sitaram Kesri 270-284
Shri Sobhanadreeswara Rao Vadde 270-272
Validictory References 273
Shri P.V. Narasimha Rao 273-275
Shri Lal K. Aclvani 275-277
Shri Nitish Kumar 277
Shri Saifuddin Choudhury 278
Shri Bhogendra Jha 278-279
Shri Sobhanadreeswara Rao Vadde 280
Mr. Speaker 281-284 LOK ·SABHA DEBATES
LOKSABHA should be demolished but the NDMC has not so far implemented the Supreme Court verdict. The hon. Minister of Home Affairs is Thursday, August 20, 1992 Sravana 29, sitting here. I would like to request hlmto take 1914 (Saka) some steps in this regard. The Balmikitemple where Mahatma Gandhi stayed and guided the country for two years, the N.D.M.C. is' The Lok Sabha met at throwing debris in front of that Balmikl temple Eleven of the Clock and in the Balmlkl Mohallaby erecting a wall. . The N.D.M.C. should be asked to obey the [MR. SPEAKER In the Chaiti Supreme Court verdict. H it is not done, we will stage a demonstration from 2nd [Translation] • September and demolish the wall.
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SHRI MADAN LAl KHURANA (South THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Delhi): Mr. Speaker, Sir, names of (SHRI S.B. CHAVAN): I will look Into It. Bangaladeshi nationals figure in the local list of Delhi. When there is talk of holding . [Translation] ..'lelection ... (lnterruptlons) SHRILAL. K. ADV ANI (Gandhi Nagar): SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: (Rosera): Mr. Speaker, Sir, yesterday, Members of all Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have given you a notice. the parties stressed the need of bringing Just now Shri V.P. Singh and I are coming forward a Bill before the end of this session from Balmlkl temple ... ( Interruptions) We are for inclusion of Manipur, Nepali and Konkanl celebrating 50th anniversary of the "Quite languages in the Eighth Schedule. We are India Movement· ... (lnterruptions) Balmikl prepared to consider the case of other temple and Balmiki Mohalla are known all languages with an open mind but there over the country for their link with Mahatma should be no delay in respect of these three Gandhi. You will be surprised to know that a languages. In the list of business for today wall has been constructed in front of Balmiki there is mention of 6 Bills but not of this Bill. temple in Balmiki Mohalla and debris are Yesterday we agreed that if there is a need being thrown at the place where Gandhiji . to waive of any rule for this the House is used to live. Gandhiji used to stay there and prepared for that. We should waive it If there guide the Freedom Movement but now that is a need of It today because the session of place it: being misused. People have been the other House is about to end. This Bill staging a dharana there for last one month. should be passed by both the Houses of Shri V.P. Singh and I are just coming from Parliament. This is my s4bmission. there .. ( Interruptions) It Is not only an Insult to the Freedom Movement and Balmlki Mandir [English] but also to Mahatma Gandhi who guided the whole country during the Freedom Movement SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE from there. The Supreme Court has also (Bolpur): Wf} have been told that this is being given Its verdict In this regard that the wall . brought. That assurance has been given. 3 AUGUST 20. 1992 [ Translation] collectors will be shifted from there.
THEMINISTEROF PARLIAMENTARY Through you,l would like to request you AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NAB I AZAD): Mr. to ask the Govemment immediately that Speaker. Sir. the hon. Home Minister Is before the start of session it should be shUted prepared to have the Bill passed today itself. from thE!re. So far as the waiving of rules is concemed I will request the hon. Speaker to do so. SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: Just now Lsaid that I am ready to look into it immediately and MA. SPEAKER:.I would like to tell you . make necessary arrangements. one thing that I have been told that some important Bills are to be passed. Alongwith SHRt RAM LAKHAN SINGH YADAV this a number of Members want to speak on (Arrah): I would like to draw your attention a wide range of subjects. Once Started it and that of the House towards a very does noi end. Therefore. if you all permit. we important matter in the country ...... will take up the Bill first and then if time is left. so will take up other matters also. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Day before yesterday the hon. Minister of State,; ( Interruptions) for Home Affairs had said that Pakistani flag' was hoisted on 14th August and he had to MA. SPEAKER: You can speak after make a statement on the 17th August in this . discussion on the Bill is over. Would you like regard. to say something? MR. SPEAKER: First of all please decide SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH this issue. Khurc>naji, please decide whether (Fatehpur): Mr. Speaker. Sir. aquestion was we should take up the Bill or any other thing. raised by Shri Ram Vilas Paswan. Just now H Bill will be taken, other !hings could be we are coming from Panchkuidan Road. taken afterwards. Otherwise, it is very difficult There is a Maharshi Balmikitemple. Mahatma to stop this once it is started. Gandhi used to live near it. He lived there for several years. It is his place and in front of SHRI NITtSH KUMAR (Barh): Other' this place ...... things will be taken up as usual. We will sit up to 12 0' Clock in the night and pass the Bill .. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF SURFACE TRANSPORT SHRI GHULAM NABI fJ;lAD: Nitish ji is (SHRIJAGDtSH TYTLER): We have praised saying thaI this Bill would be passed by the you, still you get up. We are saying that you evening. No, it can not be done by the evening. did agoodthing.1 requested the hon. Minister The Bill will be passed by this House. Then of Home Affairs to get up and accept it. He did it will have to be passed in the other House. 50. Still you say .. (lntfmupt;"n.) The Bill has to be sent to other House also .. (Interruptions) SHRI VISHWANA TH PRATAP SINGH: Refuge collectors are brought there and SHRI RAM LAKHAN SINGH YADAV: repaired. People are facing problem due to Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to make my • bad smell emitted and pollution spread by submission in brief. As a result of steps taken them. And there Is a feeling among the by20 M.Ps. from Bihar, in recent days, a very people that if they will live there, they will peculiar situation has developed in Bihar. have to carry refuge on their heads and even . The Government and the Chief Minister of if their conditions improve refuge will be Bihar ... (lnterruptions) thrown in front of their houses. The Supreme Court has given its verdict in this regard and SHRI GHULAM NABI fJ;lAD: The hon the N.D.M.C. has accepted it in prinCiple Minister is already sitting here to reply th~ thaI all equipments and parts of refuge waterways Bill. 5 SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA)" 6 SHRI RAM LAKHAN SINGH YADAV: I would like to request you, the august House, Our life and property is in danger. Aconspiracy the hon. leaders to provide security to my Is being hatched to demolish our houses family and take steps to bring the law and there. The Chief Ministerof Bihar has created order situation of Bihar under control. This is this situation by sending criminals against what I want to submit through you to the us. I am making this appeal to one and all Government. With these words I conclude. whether they belong to Janata Dal or he is Shri Advani or the Members of ruling party. [English) . I am relating my tale orwoe to all. Conspiracy is being hatched to demolish our houses with SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: May I the help of bulldozers. Pressure is being put make an earnest appeal? Because this is the on officials for demolishing the house where feeling of the House, let the Constitution I have been living since 1959. When they did Amendment Bill be passed. It would not take not get any resu Its, 500 acres of land in which very long time. After that these matters can PAC. colony and a collage and located is be raised. This is my earnest appeal. Let the being measured and all officers ... Home Minister move it. It has also been submitted by Shri Advani, the Leader of the MR. SPEAKER:Just now it was decided Opposition that every section wants it. There that we will take up the Bill first. would nol be any controversy on it. I earnestly appeal to all my friends here to raise other SHRI RAM LAKHAN SINGH YADAV: matters afterwards. The Chief Minister made a statement that he cannot protect our life and property. He said SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR (Ballia): I that he cannot provide security to or 5 think we should accept what Shri Somnath Members. Law and order situation is Chatterjee has suggtlsted. All other matters detericrating in Bihar. I would like to tell Shri can be taken up after one hour because this Vishwanath Pratap Singh that he has given would not take much time(lnteffuptions) full liberty. Not only this, he has also said that there will be firing In the House. He has ( Translation] threatened the hon. Chief Justice. His life is in danger. Thus, security should be provided SHRI RAM LAKHAN SINGH YADAV: to me and all my friends from Bihar. The Law Mr. Speaker, Sir, what does the Govemment and order situation has deteriorated there. say about me? (lnteffuptions) Should all of Today he wants to conduct an enquiry against us be killed? (lnteffuptions) us by the C.B.!. I fully welcome it. SHRI NITISH KUMAR: Mr. Speaker, Sir, when the House is adjourned please look I would like to say that the truth woulu into his-problems separately. come out if the C.B.I. conducts enquiry into the property of all. the Janata Dal M.Ps, the Chief Minister and their families and other [English) Ministers. Much has been talked about education mafia and coal mafia but who is MR. SPEAKER: I think the Members , the gold mafia in Bihar today and who is have decided to be very very cooperative amassing huge wealth through smuggling today and they must be congratulated. and by taking bribes. This fact should be uncovered so that not only the people of . SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES Bihar but the whole country come to know . (Muzzaffarpur): Only as far as this Bill is about it. ' concerned. After this Bill I want to raise the question of Win Chadha and I intend raising During the last 57 years of my public life it as soon as the Bill is passed 'lone has ever cast such aspersions on me as Chief Minister. Under the circumstances, ( Inteffuptions) 7 AUGUST 20, 1992 Const (JP/h Amend) 8111 8 { Translation] 11.14 hra.
SHRI MADAN lAl KHURANA: Mr, CONSTITUTION (SEVENTY-EIGHTH Speaker, Sir, the hon. Home Minister Is likely AMENDMENT) Bill.* to make a statement on unfurling of Pakistani flag ...... (Interruptions) [English]
MR. SPEAKER: It will be difficult, If you THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS run the House in your own way. I think,·jf you (SHRI S.B. CHAVAN): I beg to move for are giving this much of concession,letthe Bill leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the be introduced first and the reply will be given Constitution of India. thereafter. MR. SPEAKER: The question is:
[English] "That' leave be granted to introduce a Bill further to amend H it is .the wish of the House, let it be the Constitution of India .. done. The motion was adopted SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: He has to move for suspension of rules. Nobody has moved for suspension of rules. SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: Sir,l introduce the . Bill. MR. SPEAKER: Well, this is a little unusual. Because the House is agreeing to SHRI LAL. K. ADVANI: We do not have this, I shall have no objection. a copy of the Bill. But I presume that it is on the basis of the discussions we had yesterday morning and the consensus arrived at the all SHRI VIJAY NAVAL PATIL (Erandol): party meeting - I am not going into all the But it should not become a precedent. details not only in respect of the three languages, but also in respect of the various MR. SPEAKER: Yes Mr. Patil, you are nuances in respect ofthosethree languages. right. it should not become a precedent. So no footnotes, please. We do not have a copy of the Bill. Therefore I presume that it is on the basis of the consensus arrived at SHRI SOMNATH CHATIERJEE: It will yesterday. open a good chapter of cooperative functioning. If they bring good measures, we SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: Mr. Speaker, Sir, shall support them. I beg to move:
MR. SPEAKER: Well, I think the "Thatthe Billfurtherto amend the necessary formalities will be completed. I will Constitution of India, betaken Into grant permission for suspension of rules and consideration". all those things. This Bill seeks the in'ttusion of Konkanl, Manlpurl and Nepali languages In the Eighth SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: I request that in Schedule to the Constitution. . this respect all the necessary rules may be suspended. Demands for inclusion in the Eighth Schedule to the Constitutic;m have been MR. SPEAKER: Yes. Now the Minister received on behaH of several languages. may introduce the Bill. These languages are Bodo/Bro, Bhojpuri, 'Published in the Gazettle of India, Extraordinary, Part II, Section 2 dated 20.8.1992. 9 Canst (78th Amend.) Bill SRAVANA20, 1914 (SAKA)Const (78th Amend.) Bill 10 Bhutia, Dhatki, Dogri, English, Kok Barak, and to develop it. so that it may serve as a Konkrani. Kumauni. Lepcha. Umbua. Maithili. medium of expression for all the elements of Manipuri/Meithei. Milo. Nepali/Gorkhali. composite culture of India and to secure Its Nicobari, Rajasthanl, Sambalpurl, Santhall enrichment by assimilating without interfering and Tulu. In respect of some of these with Its genius. the forms. styles. expressions languages. there are disputes over the usedln Hindusthani and in other languages nomenclatuP9s and comp$ting demands. of India specified in the Eighth Schedule and have been put forward on behaH of various by drawing wherever necessary ordesirable nomenclatures ofthe languages for Inclusion . for Its vocabulary primarily on Sanskrit and in the Eighth schedule. secondarily pn other languages. From this Article. it would appear that the Eighth The Eighth Schedule at present contains Schedule was meant to promote the 151anguages which are Assamese. Bengali. progressive use of Hindi and for the Gujaratl. Hindi, Kannada. Kashmlrl, enrichment and promotion of that language. Malayalam. Marathi. Oriya; Punjabl, Sanskrit. Sindhi. Tamil. Telugu anclUrdu. Sindhi was Th~ Constitution contains various other added through Constitutional Amendment in provisions relatk1g to th~ use of languages 1967. The main consideration was that IncludlAg those which are not Included In the although Sindhi was not ttie language of any Eighth Schedule. Further. the Constitution we defined region at that time, it used to be contains a number of .provlsions for so in undivided .India and would haye so safeguardin.g the interests of linguistic continued but for the partition. minorities. Goveri"1'1ent has taken a number of steps to develop the cultural and literary The Eighth Schedule relatElS to Articles.' . h~rlta~e of all languages. irrespective of thf2ir 344(1) and 351 of the Constitution. Mlcle being included in the Eighth Schedule or not. 344(1) provides for the constitution .of oil . Commission by the President ··on the. . Ministry of Human Resouj:Ces expiration of five years. and thereafter' ten Oevelopment provides ample opportunities years consiting of meniben! representil'1g forthedevelopment of all languages including different languages specified in the Eighth .. tribal Janguages and English. The Central Schedule to make fec.ommendatlon to the. Institute of Indian Languages. Mysore is Presidentforthe progressive use of Hindifor engaged in promotion and development of 'official purposes of the Union. Restriclions . tribal and modem Indian languages. The on the use of English for all or any of the . . Sahitya Academy has so far recognised 22 official purposes of the Union and languages Janguages based upon certain criteria. The to be used for proceedings in the Supreme National Book Trust also provides lacilities Court and every High Court as well as for the under Its Adan-Pradhan Scheme. Steps to purposes of legiSlation .. promote the literary and cultural heritage of various linguistic groups are also taken by All Accordingly a Commission was India Radio and Doordarshan by relay of constituted in 1956. But it was not considered programmes in various languages which are necessary to constitute the second even colloquial languages. The National Commission. Thereafter, the Official Census operations have recognised a large Languages Act, 1963 was enacted under number of languages including those in the which a Parliamentary Committee on official . Eighth Schedule for the collection and languages was constituted which has been categorisation of data. submitting its report from time to time. Govemment have carefully considered Therefore. Article 341 (1 ) seems to have the demand for inclusion of various languages lost its relevancesofaras the Eignth Schedule in the Eighth Schedule Consultations have is concemed. Article 351 of the Constitution also been held with the leaders of political provides that It shall be the duty of the Union parties. After taking all aspects into to promote and spread of Hindi language consideration, included the consensus arrived 11 Canst. (78th Amend.) BiR AUGUST 20,1992 Canst. (78th Amend.) Bill 12 , at In the deliberations wHh the leaders of Minister will consider and brlnij appropriate political parties, H is proposed that the laws. Konkanl, Manipurl and Nepali languages should be included in the Eighth Schedule. MR. SPEAKER: I think, before I put the . motion for consideration to the vote of the While including Nepali language In the House, t~is being a Constitution Eighth Schedule, Government has also noted (Amendment) Bill, voting has to b\ by divisioi'l. that in some areas this language is known as 'Gorkha Bhasha' and in the Census ( Interruptions) operations, other nomenclatures, such as 'Gorkhali', 'Gorkhi', 'Gurkhiya', 'Khaskura' or SHRI INOER JIT (Oarjeeling): It is 'Naipali' have also been used. This position importa~t. Sir, I want to say something. I has been brought out in the Statement of want a minute or two. (Int9"Uptians).1 must Objects .and Reasons. have my say.
I am sure this august House will agree MR. SPEAKER: Now, please take your that through the introduction of this Bill, we seats. The lobbies have been cleared. But have taken a step towards meeting the then, I would like to be little more careful aspirations of the people speaking the about voting. It reqUires a particular number Konkani, Manipuri and Nepali languages. of votes and it seems that the House has The demands of other languages, including agreed to pass it and hardly, there is any the position of the Eighth Schedule itseH in dissenting voice on it. So, for lack of numbers, the present context. will be examined by the something else should not happen. Therefore, GQvernment separately. I would like the whips of the parties to be careful and I would give some more time With these words, Sir, I commend this also, if you want. But then we would not like eill to this august House for unanimous to put it to the vote and get the voting. Now, approval. I would allow Mr. Inder Jit to speak;
MR. SPEAKER: Motion moved; SHRI INORAJIT GUPTA (Midnapore): Majority of the Ministers are also absent. Sir, "That the Bill further to amend the it is better if we take it up a bit Constitution of India be taken into later( Inte"uptions) consideration. ( Translation) SHRr GUMAN MAL LOOHA (Pali): Sir, I have moved objections to the introduction MR. SPEAKER: We will not do voting and also amendments for sending it to Select now. Lobbies will be got cleared and division Committee. The hon. Minister has said that will toke place thereafter. the cases of other languages would be examined and Rajasthani - having a following (interruptions) of 8 crore people - would be examined seriously. Taking that into consideration, r [English] withdraw all my amendments. MR SPEAKER: Please be seated in SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE yourseats. Let us hear what Mr,lnder Jit has (Bolpur): We all. agree that there will be no . to say', discussion on the merits of the Bill. The Home MinisterhimseH has pointedthatlhere SHRI INOER JIT: Sir, as a disciplined are demands for other languages,like Oogri, Member of the Congress party, I accept the Santhali and also Maithili. The sentiments of decision of the majority of the party and the the people and of the House shoiJld be Govoernment to bring forward. this Bill. considered at appropriate time. I am sure the . Nevertheless, I Would like to make a few 13 'Const {78th Amend.} Bill SRA VANA 2R, 1914 (SAKA}Const. (78th Amend.) Bill 14 points and record my protest. debate. That is why, according to rules, he cannot speak. If that rule has also been My first point is my great disappointment suspended, then that is another mattor. As with aU sections of the House, particularly per the existing rules, the House has to with the leader of the Opposition as well as . express a unanimous view that this rule too the leaders of other parties who have once has been suspended. again thrown all conventions to the winds in their anxietyto play politics and pastforward MR. SPEAKER: I will give my ruling on politically motivated bill. They have completely this point. jettisoned the healthy principle where under. This Constitution Amendment Bill should SHRI RAM NAIK: The point is that once have been referred to a Joint Select the process of voting has started, no debate Committee or at least a Select Committee. I can take place.(/nterruptions) cannot see the great urgency of pushing this Bill by suspending all our rules and throwing [ Translation] all conventions overboard. Heavens would not have fallen nor heavens would have MR. SPEAKER: The House cannot run been gained. Sir,l would therefore, still plead if everyone wants to run it in his own way. You that the sensible thing to do would have have raised a point or order; it would have been ... been good had it not been raised. Whatsoever we are doing today is unusual to some extent [ Translation] but after the consent of all the leaders and hon. Members we are trying to do so. Now, SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA (South when the time of voting come, most of the Delhi): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am on a point of han. Members did not know that voting is order... ( Interruptions) being (:)Oe now. therefore, we have to see the strength of Members. This thing has [English] come up after clearing the lobby. Therefore, I said that I will give a chance to clear the SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay North): Sir,l . lobby once more. Till then it will continue. am also on a paint of order [English) MR. SPEAKER: Let me here his point of order. SHRI LAL. K. ADVANI (Gandhi Nagar): [ Translation] We can have the voting in the afternoon or an hour later. As things stand, there is no point SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: After in having a debate. listening to everything the Bill has been presented and you have asked for voting. I MR. SPEAKER: Now, we should not want to know whether discussion will start shut out his say. Please bear in mind the after asking for voting ... (/nterruptions) sensitive nature of the subject.
[English] SHRI LAL. K. ADVANI: agree.( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Mr, Naik, you can formulate your paint of order now. SHRI INDER JIT: Personally, I hold Advaniji in high regard. Times out of number, SHRI RAM NAIK: Sir, I am supporting he has stood up and valiantly stood up, to his point of order fully because once you uphold certain conventions. And therefore,l have taken a decision thatthe lobbies Sllould am disappointed that on such a grave issue be cleared after which, only the procedure of as the amendment to Constitution, he has voting can take place and there can be no advocated that all rules be suspended. Even 15 Const (78thAmendJBiH AUGUST 20, 1992 Canst. (78th Amend.) 8171 16 the Bill has not been circulated I There is to be [English) no discuss.ion on the Bill. Normally and according to the healthiest conventions Plea~e come to the main point. established during the time of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, every Constitution SHRIINDER JIT: I am coming to it Sir. Amendment Bill was invariably sent to a Select Committee or a Joint Select MR. SPEAKER: Please bear in mind Committee. We should not have jettisoned that the Minister has said that Nepali, GOrkhali these healthy conventions. and the languages recognised by other names also are recognised. MR. SPEAKER: One thing that you may kindly take into account is that Gorkhali is SHRIINDER JIT: I made my first point also a part of Nepali. Please do not go to the on procedure, which, I think should have procedural part of it. been pursued. My second point is particularly in regard tQ the subject of Gorkha Bhasha, SHRIINDER JIT: No, Sir, procedure is . Not Gorkhali. Sir, I want to bring to your important and more so with respect to this attention once again the fact that an August prarticular Bill. This Bill should have been 23, 1981 the Government of India headed by referred to a Joint Select Committee or a Shri Rajiv Gandhi entered into a solemn Select Committee in view of the fact that understanding and a settlement with the since Shrimati Bhandari brought forward her GNLF underthis, Memorandumofthe Gorkha Bill, demands for inclusion of serveral other Phasha Settlement, was acknowledged as languages have corne up. There are demands the language of the settled Garkihas of India. for the inclusion of Dogri, Santhali, Maithili, In fact it is today the official language of the Bhojpuri, Rajasthani and Pali and many other autonomous Da~eehng Garkha Hill Council. languages too. Therefore, I would say that This is their official language. Therefore, Sir, we should have adopted the right and healthy my view is that the Home Minister should convention of taking a total view on all these have taken notice of this fact. It is not just an languages. The matter could easily have area ..• been referred to a Select Committee or a Joint Select Committee, and heavens would ( Translation) not have fallen. This, Sir, is my first point. SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA (Pail): Mr. MR. SPEAKER: Don't go on with Speaker, Sir, when there was a discussion procedure. Come to the main point. on this yesterday you had said that I would also be given an opportunity to speak. Is SHRI INDER JIT: My plea to the there no other language than Nepali. Let me Govoernrnent is not to jettision and not to speak please. You go for voting after the trample upon healthy conventions and even clearence of the lobby .. now take the matter to a Joint Select Committee so that the Government would [English] then come back with a total view on this highly emotive issue. SHRIINDERJIT: Sir, I venture to submit that... SHRI A. CHARLES (Trivandrum): I have a point of order. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN (Kishanganj):Sir,lwouldliketoknowwhether MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. the hon. Member is speaking on behalf of the party to which he belongs or on his own. I do [ Translation] not know whether his name was submitted to the Chair by his 'party whip. Please take you r seat and let me conduct the proceedings. SHRIINDER JIT: Sir, I did not know that 17 Const (78thAmend.) Bill SRAVANA20, ~914 (SAKA)Const (78thAmend.)BHI 18 Shrl Shahabuddin has become the Whip ot some areas. It Is not a question ot some my party. areas: It Is' the official language of the autonomous of Darjeeling Gorkha Hill [ Translation] Council. This should be acknowledeged because the Council represents some 8lakh SHRI GUMAN MAL lODHA: Mr. to 10 lakh of people. You cannot Ignore that Speaker, Sir, yesterday also, I said that we I should also be given an opportunity to [ Translation] speakwhenyouhadassuredtogiveittoday. You give me an opportunity since I want to SHRI .GUMAN MAL lODHA: Mr. say a few things about Rajasthani language . Speaker, Sir, my request was turned down which Is spoken by 8 crore people. . by you on the plea that there was to be two hours debate on that language the next day, [Eng/ish] but you are not ready to listem a single word about Rajasthani language. I would like to S~IINDERJIT: Sir, as I said yesterday, submit that you should give me at least a little I did mention the fact of the Memorandum of time to express my views. Settlement. SHRI INDER JIT: Therefore, I would MR. SPEAKER: Is it necessary to urge the home Minister, in his concluding , repeat? remarks, to make it abundantly clear this aspect. SHRIINDER JIT: I am not repeating. I want to specifically read out that particular I would now liketo make one otherpoint. portain because I did not read it out yesterday. I spoke from memory. Para 3 of the MR. SPEAKER: Please conclude now. Memorandumof Settlement signed between You can see the fall out of your speech. You the GNlF and the RajivGandhi Government have made all the points. It is not necessary on August 23, 1988 stated as follows: now. You should cooperate. Yesterday, I gave you enough time, and you made all the "Inclusion of Gorkha language in pOints. It is a matter of record. Even today the 8th Schedule of the you hav~ spoken. You know the sense ofthe Constitution .• House. In democracy sense of the House in very Important. It said further: SHRI INDER JIT: Sir, I would like to • The Govemment of India is of make one other point. . the view that inclusion of more languages in the 8th Schedule of MR. SPEAKER: No, please. You just the Constitution would create see the fall out. repercussions and reactions. It is the endeavour of the SHRIINDER JIT: Sir, I wish to say that. Government to develop the cultural and literary heritage of all SHRI KARTIKESWAR PATRA languages irrespective of their (Balasore): Sir, I am on a point of order. inclusion in the 8th Schedule .• MR. SPEAKER: I am not hearing your So, this position was accepted. The point of order. important aspect of this is that the name 'Gorkha language' was accepted. SHRI INDER JIT: Sir, I would like to In view of this Chavan Sahib has make one other point forthe consideration of mentioned that there Is Gorkha Bhasha in the Govemment (Interruptions) 19 Const. (78th Amend.) BUI AUGUST 20, 1992 . Const. (78th Amend) SIR 20 MR. SPEAKER: Why don't you let Manipuri and let Gorkhallbecome part of complete, Inder Jit ji? I am not hearing him. the Eighth ~hedule.
SHRIINDERJIT:Thepointwhich Iwant [ Translation] to make is about the question on 8th Schedule. I am not sure to what extent it serves any We do not have any objection. We are utility. I would like the govemment to include supporting it. Forthe time being we withdraw all the languages of the country in this all the amendments thafwe have referred to . schedule and give them total encouragement Select Committee for knowing the public rather than limit the list to a few languages. opinion on the issue of including Rajasthani In fact, the Eighth Schedule has created language in the Eighth Schedule. I am, many problems, sparked off many agitations. however, speaking with deep anguish that , We should therefore, have to take a fresh the hon. Minister for Home Affairs made no look at it and decide whether it is really consideration about the Rajasthani language serving any purpose. which is spoken by as many as eight crore . people where as konkanilanguage has been _ Article 351 of the Constitution, under included. I would like to submit that you which the Eighth Schedule comes, relates to should please take decision about Rajasthan; a directive for the development of Hindi language atleast before the ensuring session. language. This Article also states that the The Ministry of Rajasthan has sent its Union should secure the enrichment of Hindi recommendation through a letter to include by using expressions used in Hindustani and the Raj~sthani language in the 8th Schedule in the other Eighth Schedule languages. So, of the Constitution. Our hon. Minister for why do we limit the enrichment of Hindi only Home Affairs should also assure that to a few languages. Rajasthani languages ~ould be included in the list of language of the 8th schedule in the I would finally and in conclusion, in coming session. Thanks. bowing to your wishes, say that the Government has not been adequately fair to [English] Gorkha Bhasha I support this Bill but with strong reservations ana under strong protest. MR. SPEAKER: Before I put the motion for consideration of Bill to vote, I would like to So, I would again urge Mr. Chavan, in say that this being a Constitution his concluding remarks, to make this pOint (Amendment) Bill, voting has to be by diviSion. clear and give adequate ImportancetoGorkha Bhasha. (lnterruptions) ...... as the official Let the Lobbies be cleared- language of the Darjeeling Hill areas.
[ Translation] MR. Sp'EAKER: Now the lobbies have been cleared. SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA: Mr. Speaker, Sir,l would like to remaind you that The question is: you always prevent whenever I try to speak. I want to make a brief submission. • That the Bill further to amend the Constitution of India be taken [Engli.<;/;] into consideration.
Sir, we are supporting this Bill. Let Nepali, The motion was adopted 21 Const (78th Amend.) BIN SAAVANA 20, 1914 (SAKA)Const. (78th Amend) Bin 22 The Lok Sabha DIvided Bhagey Gobardhan, Shri •
11.49 hra Bh~a, Shri Manoranjan
-i}1V.NO.3 Bhandari, Shrimati Oil Kumari AYES Bhargava, Shri Glrdhart Lal Bhattacharaya. Shrlmati Malinl Acharla. Shri Basudeb Bhoi, Dr. Krupaslndhu Adaikalaraj. Shri L Bhonsle, Shri Prataprao B. Advani, Shrl Lal K. Bhonsle, Shri Tejsinghrao Agnihotri, Shri Rajendra Birbal, Shri Ahamed, Shri E. Brar, Shri Jagmeet Singh Ahirwar, Shrl Anand Checko, Shrl P.C Ahmed, Shri Kamaluddin Chakraborty, Prof. Susanta Ajtt Singh. Shrl Chandra Shekhar, Shrl Anbarasu Era, Shri Chandrakar, Shrl Chandulal Antulay, Shri A.R~ Ch~ndrasekhar, Shrlmati Maragatham Arunachalam, Shrl M. Charles. Shri A. Ayub Khan, Shri. Chatte~ee, Shri Nirmal Kanti Battha, Shri Mahendra Chatte~ee, Shri Somr.,lth Bala, Dr. Aiim Chaure. Shri Bapu Han Balayogi. Shri G.M.C. Chavan, Shri Prithviraj D. Baliyan, Shri N.K. Chavda, Shri Harisinh Bandaru, Stlri Dattatraya Chavda, Shri Ishwarbhai Khodabhai Barman, Shri Palas Chhotey Lal, Shri Barman. Shri Uddhab Chinta Mohan, Dr. Basu, Shri Ani! Choudhary. Shri Ram Tahal Basu, Shri Chitta Choudhury, Shri Lokanath Berwa, Shri Ram Narain Choudhury. Shri Saifuddin, Bhagat, Shri Vishweshwar 23 Const. (78th Amend) eUI AUGUST 20, 1992 Const. (7Bth Amend) Sill 24 Chowdhary, Shrimati Santosh Gangwar, Dr. P.R.
Dadahoor, Shri Gurcharan Singh Gangwar, Shrl Santosh Kumar
Dalbir Singh, Shrl Gautam, Shrlmati Sheela
Damar, Shrl Somjibhai Gavit, Shri Manlkrao Hodlya
Das, Shrl Dwaraka Nath Gehlot, Shrl Ashok
. - Das, Shri Jitendra Nath Gh~ngare, Shri Ramchandra Marotrao
Das, Shrl Ram Sunder Ghatowar, Shrl Paban Singh
Datta, Shri Amal Giri, Shri Sudhir
Deka, Shri Probin Girija Devi, Shrimati
Dennis, Shri N. Girlyappa, Shrl C.P. Mudala
Deora, Shri Murll Gomango, Shrl Giridhar
Deshmukh, Shrl Anantrao Gowda, Prof. K. Venkatagirl
Deshmukh, Shri Ashok Anandrao Gudadinnl, Stui B.K.
Dev, Shri Sontosh Mohan Gundewar, Shrl Vilasrao Nagnathrao
Devarajan, Shrl B. Gupta, Shri Indrajit
Devei, Shrimati Bibhu Kumari Hooda, Shri Bhupinder Singh
Dhumal, Prof. Pram Hossain, Shri Syed Masudal
Dighe, Shri Sharad Imchalemba, Shri
Dome, Dr. Ram Chandra Inder Jit, Shrl
Orona, Shri Jagat Vir Singh Jaffer Sharief, Shri C.K.
Dubey, Shrimati Saroj Jakhar, Shri Balram
Farook, Shri M.O.H. Janarthanan, Shri M.R. Kadarnbur
Fatmi, Shri Mohammad Ali Ashraf Jangde, Shri Khelan Ram
Femandes, Shri George Jaswant Singh, Shri
Fernandes, Shri Oscar Jatiya. Shri Satynarayan
Galkwad, Shrl Udayslngrao Jawali, Dr. B.G.
Galib, Shri Gurcharan Singh Jeevarathinam, Shri R. 25 Canst. (78thAmend.)BIH SRAVANA20, 1914 (SAKA)Const. (78thAmend.) Bill 26 Jena, Shri Srikanta Krishnendra Kaur (Deepa), Shrlmatl
Jeswanl. Or: K.D. Kudumula. Kumari Padamasree
Jhikram, Shri Mohanlal Kuli, Shri Balin
Joshi, Shri Anna Kumar, Shrl Nitish
Joshi, Shri Dau Dayal Kumar, Shrl V. Dhananjaya
Kahandole, Shri Z.M. Kumaramangalam, Shri Rangarajan
Kallaperumal, Shri P.P. Kunjee lal, Shri
Kalka Oas, Shri Kurien, Prof. P.J.
Kamal, Shri Shyam lal laljan Basha, Shri S.M.
Kamal Nath, Shri Mabajan, Shrimati Sumitra
Kamat, Shrl Gurdas Mahalo, Shri Bir Singh
Kamble, Shri Arvind Tulshiram Mahto, Shri Shailendra Kansujia, Dr. G.l., Malik, Shri Dharampal Singh Kanithi, Dr. Viswanatham Malik. Shri Puma Chandra
Karreddula. Shrimati Kamala Kumari Mallu, Dr. R.
Kashwan, Shri Ram Singh Mandai, Shri Sanat Kumar
Katheria, Shri Prabhu Dayal Mandai. Shri Suraj
Kewal Singh, Shri Manjay lal, Shri
Khan, Shri Aslam Sher Marandi, Shri Simon
Khan, Shri Sukhendu Marbaniang, Shrl Peter G.
Khandelwal, Shri Tara Chand Malhew, Shri Pala K.M.
Khandurl, Maj. Gen. (Reid.) Bhuwan Meghe, Shri Datta Chandra Mehta, Shri Bhubaneshwar Prasad Khurana, Sshri Madan Lal. Mirdha', Shri Ram Niwas
Konathala, Shri Rama Krishna Mishra, Shrl Ram Nagins
Krishan Kumar, Shri S. Misra, Shri Satyagopal
Krishnaswamy, Shri M. Mohan Singh. Shri 27 Const (78th Amend.) 8N1 AUGUST 20. 1992 can.t (18th AmIIntJ.) BII 28 Mo/lah. Shrl Hannan Paswan. Shrl Chhfdl
MujahJd, Shrl a.M. Paswan, Shrl Ram Vilas
Mukhe~ee. Shrimati Geeta Paswan, Shrl Sukdeo
Mukhe~ee. Shri Subrata Patel, Dr. Amrit Lal Kalidas
Mukhopadyay. Shri Ajoy Patel, Shri Brishin
Munda. Shri Govinda Chandra Palel, Shri Chandresh
Munda. Shri Kariya Patel, Shri Harilal Nanji
Muniyappa, Shri K.H. Patel. Shri Praful
Muralee Oharan. Shri K. Patal. Shri Ram Pujan
Murmu, Shri Rup Chand Patel. Shri Shravan Kumar
Murugesan. Dr. N Patel. Shri Uttambhai Harjibhai
Muttemwar, Shri Vilas Pathak. Shrl Harln
Naik, Shri A. Venkatesh Pathak. Shri Surendra pal
Naik. Shri G. Oevaraya Patidar. Shrl Rameshwar
Naik. Shri Ram Patil. ~hrl Anwari Basavaraj
Narayanan. Shri P.G. Patil. Shrimati Surya Kanta
Nawale. Shri Vidura Vithoba Palnaik. Shri Sivaji
Nayak. Shri Mrutyunjaya Patra. Dr. Karlikeswar
Nyamagouda. Shri S.B. Pattanayak. Shri Sarat Chandra
Odeyar. Shri Channaiah Pawar. Dr. Vasant Niwrutti
Oraon. Shri Lalit Pilot. Shri Rajesh
Pal. Shri Rupchand Potdukhe. Shrl Shantaram
Palacholla. Shri V.R. Naidu Prabhu .Zantye, Shri Harish Narayan
Pandeya, Dr. Laxminarayan Pradhani, Shri K
Pandian, Shri O. Pramanik. Shri Radhika Ranjan
Panwar. Shri Harpal Prasad. Shri Hari Kewal
Passi. Shri Balraj Prem, Shri B.L Sharma 29 Const (78th Amend.) BRI SRAV_ANA 20, 1914 (SAKA)Const. (78th Amend.) BID 30 Preml, Shrl Mangal Ram Raychaudhurl, Shrl Sudarsan
Purkayastha, Shri Kablndra Reddaiah Yadav, Shrl K.P.
Rai, Shri Kalp Nath Reddy, Shri B.N
Ral, Shri lall Babu Reddy, Shrl G. Ganga
Rai, Shrl M. Ramanna Reddy, Shri K. Vijaya Bhaskara
Raj Narain, Shri Reddy~ Shri M. Baga
Raja, Shrimati Vasundhara Rongpl, Dr. Jjayanta
Rajendra Kumar, Shri S.S.A. Roshan Lal, Shri
Rajeshwaran, Dr. V Ray. Shri Haradhan
Rajeswari, Shrimati Basava Sadul. Shri Dharmanna Mondayya
Ram, Shri pram Chand Sahi, Shrimati Krishna
Ram Badan. Shri Sai. Shri A. Prathap
Ram Singh, Shri Saikia, Shri Muhi Ram
Ramamurthy, Shri K. Sailan Kumar, Shri (Outer Delhi)
Ramasamy, Shri R. Naidu Saleem; Shri Mohammad Yunus
Ramchandran, Shri Mullappally Sangma. Shri Pumo A.
Ramdew Ram. Shri Sanipalli. Shri Gangadhara
Ramsagar, Shri SaroCle. Dr. Gunvant Rambhau
Rana. Shri Kashiram Satruc~arla. Shri Vijayarama Raju
Rao, Shri J. Chokka Sawant. Shri Sudhir
Rao, Ram Singh. Col. Sayeed. Shri P.M.
Rawal, Dr. Lal Bhadur Scindia, Shir Madhavrao
Rawat. Shari Bhagwan Shankar Selja, Kumari
Rawat, Shri Prabhu Lal Sethi. Shr! Arjun Charan
Rawat. Prof. Rasa Singh Shakya. Dr. Mahadeepak Singh
Ray. Shri Rab! Shankaranand, Shri B.
Ray, Dr. Sudhir Shastri •. Shri Rajilath Sonkar 31 Const. (78th Amend) Bill AUGUST 20. 1992 Const (78th Amend) 81H 32 Shastri, Shri Vishwanath Syed Shahabuddln. Shri
Shingda, Shi'i O.B. Tara Singh, Shrl
Shivappa, Shri K.G. TeJ Narayan Singh. Shri
Shukla, Shri Astbhuja Prasad Thakore, Shri Gabhajl Mangajl
Shukla, Shri Vidyacharan Thankur, Shri Mahendra Kumar Singh
Siddhartha, Shrimatl OK Tharadevl Thangkabalu, Shrl K. V.
Silvera, Dr. C Thomas, Prof. K. V.
Singh, Shri Hari Kishore Thomas, Shri P.C.
Singh, Shri Khelsai Thorat, Shri Sandipan Bhagwan
Singh, Shri Motllal Tindivanam, Shri K. Ramamurthee
Singh, Shri Rajveer Tomar: Dr. Ramesn Chand
Singh, Shri Ram Prasad Topno, Kumari Frida
Singh, Shri Ramashray Prasad Tripathi, Shri Lakshml Narain Mani
Singh, Shri Rampal Tripathy, Shri Braja Kishore
Singh, Shri S.B. Tytler, Shri Jagdish
Singh, Shri Uday Pratap Umbrey, Shri lacta
Singh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap Ummareddy Venkateswarlu, Prof.
Singh, Deo, Shri K.P. Vadde, Shri Sobhanadreeswara Rao
Sinha, Shri. Shiva Sharan Vee rappa, Shri Ramchandra
Sodi, Shri Manku Ram Vekaria, Shri Shivala Nagjibhai
Soren, Shri Shibu Verma, Shri Bhawani ~I
Soundaram, Dr. (Shrimati) K.S. Ver'ma, Shri Shsiv Sssharan
Sultanpur, Shri Krishan Dun Verma, Shri Upendra Nath
Sundararaj, Shri N. Vijayaraghavan, Shri V.S.
Suresh, Shri Kodikkunll Yadav, Shri Devendra Prasad
Swami, Shri Sureshanand Yadav, Shri Ram Saran
.. Swamy. Shri e:'Venkat Yadav, Shri Sharad 33 Const (78th Amend.) Bill SRAVANA 20.1914 {SAKA}Const. (78th Amend.) Bill 34 Yadav. Shrl Surya Narayan the motion Is passed.
Yadav. Shrl Vijoy Kumar Th_e motion was adopted
Yamnam, Shrf Yaima Singh CLAUSE 2 . Amendment of Eighth Schedule Zainai Abedin. Shri MR. SPEAKER: Before I put clause 2 to the vote of the House. I would like to say that NOES this being a Constitution (Amendment) Bill. voting has to be by division. Let the Lobbies ··Shri Buta Singh be cleared-
MR. SPEAKER: Subject to correction, Now, the Lobbies have been cleared. the result of the division is: The question is: Ayes: 321 • That clause 2 stand part of the Bill. • Noes: 001 The Lok Sabha divided: The Motion is carried by a majority ofthe total membership of the House and by a 11.52 hrs. majority of not less than two-thrids of the DIV.NO.4 Members present and voting.
( Interruptions) AYES
SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (Bolpur): I think by mistake they have done Acharia, Shri Basudeb ! it. Adaikalaraj, Shri L. SHRI P.M. SAYEEO (Lakshadweep): Let it be unanimous. Advani, Shri La! K.
SHRI BUTA SINGH (Jalore): Let it be Agnihotri, Shri Rajendra unanimous. Ahamed, Shri E. MR. SPEAKER: I think a correction slip • has been received. I have to point outthatthe Ahirwar. Shri Anand House is unanimous on this point. I declare that unanimously and by a requisite majority Ahmed. Shri Kamaluddin
·The following Me~rs also recorded their votes:
Ayes: Dr Girija Vyas, Shri Govindrao Nikam, Shri Bl.lta Singn, SI" Vijay Nimal Patil. Shri Nurul Islam, Shri B. Akber Pasha, Shri Surajhhana Solanki, Shri E',eru Lal Meena, Shri Thulasiah Vandyar, Shri Harcband Singh, Shrimati Suseela Gopalan. Shri Oharmabhiksham, Shri Ram Lakhan Singh Yadav, Shri Ram Nihor Rai, Shri Devi Box Singh. Shri S. Mallikarjunaiah, Shri Guman Mal Lodha, Shri Sushii' Chandra Verma. Shri Yoganand Saraswati Shri Ram Krishan Kusmaria, Shri Shuresh Chandra Dikshit. .
··Wrongly voted for Noes. Shri Buta Singh. 35 Const (78th Amend.) BHI AUGUST 20, 1992 Const (78th Amsnd.) BII 36 Ajlt, Singh, Shri Chandra Shekhar. Shrf
Akbar Pasha, Shrf B. Chand~r. Shri Chandulal
Anbarasu Era, Shri Chandrasekhar. Shrimatl Maragatham
Antulay, Shri A.A. Charles. Shri A.
Arunachalam, Shri M. Chatte~ee. Shri Nlrmal Kantl
Baitha, Shri Mahendr~ Chatte!:iee. Shrl Somnath
Bala, Dr. Aslm Chavan. Shrl Prlthviraj D.
Balayogi, Shri. G.M.C. Chavda. Shri Harisinh
Bandaru, Shri Dalatraya Chhotey Lal, Shri
Barman, Shri Palas Chinta Mohan, Dr.
Barman, Shri Uddhab Choudhary, Shri Ram Tahal
Basu, Shri Anil Choudhury, Shri Lokanath
Basu. Shri Chitta Choudhury, shri Saifuddin
Berwa. 'Shrl Ram Narain Chowd~ary, Shrimati Santosh
Bhagat, Shri Vishweshwar Dalbir Singh, Shrl
Bhagey Gobardhan. Shri Damor, Shri Somjibhai
Bhakta, Shri Manoranjan Da~, Sllri Dwaraka Nath
Bhandari, Shrimati Oil Kumari Das, Shri Ram Sunder
Bhargava, Shri Girdhari Lal Datta, Shri Amal
Bhattacharaya. Shrimati Malini Dennis, Shri N.
Bhoi, Dr. Krupasindhu Deora, Shri Murli
Bhonsle, Shri Prataprao B. Deshmukh, Shri Anantrao
Bhonsle, Shri Tejsinghrao Deshmukh. Shri Ashok Anandrao
Birbal, Shri Dev, Shri Sontosh Mohan
Buta Singh. Shri Devarajan, Shri B.
Chacko, Shri P.C. Dhumal, Prof. Pram
Chakraborty. Prof. Susanta Dighe, Shri Sharad 37 Const. (78th Amend.) BiN SRAVANA20, 1914 (SAKA)Const. (78thAmend.)BiH 38 Dlkshll, Shrl Shreesh Chandra Imchalemba, Shrl
Dome, Dr. Ram Chandra Inder JIl, Shrl
Orona, Shri Jagat Vir Singh Isiam, Shri Nurul
Dubey, Shrimati Saroj Jaffer Sharlef, Shri C.K.
Farook, Shri M.O.H. Jakhar, Shri Balram
Fatmi, Shri Mohammad Ali Ashraf Janarthanan, Shri M.R. Kadambur
Fernandes, Shri George Jangde, Shri Kfleian Ram
Femandes, Shri Oscar Jaswant Singh, Shri
Gaikwad. Shri Udaysingrao Jatiya, Shri Satynarayan
Galib. Shri Gurcharan Singh Jawali. Dr. B.G.
Gangwar. Dr. P.R. Jeevarathinam, Shri R.
Gangwar. Shri Santosh Kumar Jena. Shri Srikanta
Gautam. Shrimati Sheela Jhikram. Shri Mohanlal
Gavit. Shri Manikrao Hodlya Joshi. Shri Anna
Ghatowar. Shri Paban Singh Joshi. Shri Dau Dayal
Giri. Shri Sudhir Kahandole. Shri Z.M.
Girija Devi. Shrimati Kaliapermal. Shri P.P.
Giriyappa. Shri C.P. Mudala Kamble. Shri Arvind Tulshiram Kanithi. Dr. Viswanatham Gomango. Shri Glridhar Karreddula. Shrimati Kamala Kumari Gopalan, Shrimati Suseela Kashwan. Shri Ram Singh Gowda. Prof. K. Venkatagiri Katheria, Shri Prabhu Dayal Gudadinnl. Shri B.K. Kewal Singh. Shri Gundewar. Shri Vilasrao Nagnathrao Khan. Shri Aslam Sher Gupta. Shri Indrajit Khan.ShriSukhendu Harchand Singh, Shri Khandelwal. Shri Tara Chand Hooda. Shri Bhupinder Singh Khanduri. Maj. Gen. (Retd.) Bhuwan Hossain. Shri ~yed Masudal Chandra 39 Canst. (7ath Amend.) BII AUGUST 20, 1992' Const. (1Bth AIMt'ItJ.,_ 40 Meana, Shri Bheru Lal Khurana, Shrl Madan Lal
Konathala, Shri Rama Krishna Meghe, Shri Datta
Krishan Kumar, Shri S. Mirdha. Shrl Ram Nlwas
Krishnaswamy, Shri M. Mishra, Shri Ram Nagina
f(rishnendra Kaur (Deepa). Shrimati Misra. Shri Satyagopal
Kshirsagar. Shrimati Kesharbai Sonaji Mollah. Shri Hannan
Kudumula. Kumari Padamasree Mujahid. Shri B.M.
Kuli. Shri Balin Mukhe~ee. Shrirnatl Geeta
Kumar. Shri Nitish Mukhe~ee. Shri Subrata
Kumar. Shri V. Ohananjaya Mukhopadyay. Shir Ajoy
Kumaramangalam. Shri Rangarajan Munda. Shri Govinda Chandra
Kurian. Prof. P.J. Munda, Shri Kariya
Kusmaria. Shri Ramkrishna Muniyappa, Shri K.H.
Laljan Basha. Shri S.M. Muralee Oharan. Shri K.
Mahajan. Shrimati Sumitra Murmu. Shri Rup Chand
Mahato. Shri Bir Singh Murugesan • .Dr. N.
Mahto. Shri Shailendra Muttemwar. Shri Vilas
Malik. Shri Oharampal Singh Naik. Shri A. Venkatesh
Malik. Shri Puma Chandra Nailk. Shri G. Oevaraya
Matlikarjunaiah. Shri S. Naik. Shri Ram
Mallu. Dr. R Narayanan. Shri P.G.
Mandai. Shri Sanat Kumar Nawale, Shri Vidura Vithoba
, Mandai. Shri Suraj Nayak. Shri Mrutyunjaya
Manjay Lal. Shri Nikam. Shri Govindrao
Marandi, Shri Sirron Nyamagouda. Shri S.B.
Marb'!'liang. Shri Peter G. Odeyar. Shii Channaiah
Mathew. Shri Pala KM. Oraon. Shr! Lalit .., COnIt. (78Ih Amend:) B/II. SRAVANA 20. !914 (SAKA)Const (78th Amend) BOI 42 . Pal. Shrl Rupchand Pilot. S~rI Rajesh
Palacholla, Shrl V.A. Naidu Potdukhe, Shrl Shantaram
Pandeya, Dr. Laxminarayan Prabhu Zantye, Shri Harish Narayan
Pandian, Shri D. Pra~hanl, Shri K.
Panwar, Shri Harpal Pramanik, Shri Radhika Ranjan
Passl, Shri Balraj Prasad, Shri Hari Kewal
Paswan, Shri Chhedi Prem, Shri B.L. Sharma
Paswan, Shri Ram Vilas Prami, Shri Mangal Ram
Paswan. Shri Sukdeo Purkayas!ha. Shri Kabindra
Patel. Dr. Amrit lal Kalidas Rai. Shri Kalp Nath
Patel, Shri Brishin Rai, Shri Lal Bilbu
Patel, Shri Chandresh Rai, Shrl M. Ramanna
Patel, Shri Harilal Nanji Rai, Shri Ram Nihor
Patel. Shri Praful Raj Narain. Shrl
Patel, Shri Ram Pujan Raje, Shrimati Vasundhara
Patel. Shri Shravan Kumar Rajendra Kumar. Shri S.S.A.
Patel, Shri Uttambhai Ha~ibhai Rajeshwaran, Dr. V.
Pathak, Shri Harin Rajeswari, Shrimati Basava
Pathak. Shri Surendra Pal Ram Badan, Shri . ! Palidar, Shri Rameshwar Ram Singh, Shrl
Patil. Shri Anwari Basavaraj Ramamurthy, Shri K.
Patil, Shrimati Surya Kanta Ramasamy, Shri A. Naidu
Patil. Shri Vijay Naval Ramchandran., Shri Mullappally
Palnik, Shri Sivaji Ramdew Ram, Shri Ramsagar, SM
Palra. Dr ..Kartikeswar Rao, Shri J. Chokka
Pattanavak. SM Sara! Chandra Rao. Ram Sin9f'!. CoL.
Pawsr. Dr, Vasanl NiWrutti . Rawal, Dr. l"al Bahadur . 43 Const. (78th Amend.) SiD AUGUST 20, 1992 Const (78th Amend.) 811 Rawat! Shri Bhagwan Shankar Shastri, Shri RaJnath Sonkar
Rawar, Shri Prabhu Lal Shingda. Shri D.S.
Rawat. Prof. Rasa Singh Shlvappa, Shri K.G.
Ray, Shri Rabi Shukla. Shrl Astbhuja Prasad
Rayehaudhuri. Shri Sudarsan Shukla•. Shrl Vidyacharan
Reddaiah Yadav. Shri K.P. Siddhartha. Shrimati O.K. Iharadevl
Reddy. Shri B.N. Silvera. Dr. C;
Reddy. Shri K. Vijaya Bhaskara Singh Shri Harl Kishore
Reddy. Shri M. Baga Singh. Shri Khelsal
. Rongpi. Dr. Jayanta Singh. Shri Motilal
Roy. Shri Haradhan Singh. Shri Rajveer
Sadul. Shri Oharmanna Mondayya Singh. Shri Ramashray Prasad
Sahi, Shrimati Krishna Singh. Shri Rampal
Sai. Shri A. Prathap Singh. Shri S.B.
Saikia. Shri Muhi Ram Singh. Shri Uday Pratap
Sallan Kumar. Shri (Outer Delhi) Singh. Shri Vishwanath Pratap
Saleem. Shri Mohammad Yunus Singh. Oeo. Shri K.P.
Sangma. Shri Purno A. Sinha, Shri Shiva Sharan
Sanipalli. Shri Gangadhara Sodi. Shri Manku Ram
Sarode. Dr. Gunvant Rambhau Soren. Shri Shibu
Satrucharla. Shri Vijayarama Raju Sultanpuri. Shri Krishan Outt
Sawant, Shri Sudhlr Sundararaj, Shri N.
Sayeed, Shri P.M. Suresh, Shri Kodikkunil
Scindia, Shri Madhavrao Swami, Shri Sureshanand
Selja, Kumari Swamy, Shri G. Venkat
Shakya, Dr. Mahadeepak Singh Syed Shabhabuddin, Shri
Shankaranand, Shri B. Tara Singh. Shri . 45 Const. (78th Amend.) Bin SRA VANA 20, 1914 (SAKA)Const (78th Amend.) Bill 46 Tej Narayan Singh, Shri Yadav, Shri Devendra prasad
Thakore, Shri Gabhaji Mangaji Yadav, Shri Ram lakhan Singh
. Thakur, Shri Mahendra Kumar Singh Yadav, Shri Sharad
Thangkabalu, Shri K,V. Yadav, Shri Surya Narayan
Thomas, Prof K, V. Yadav, Shri Vijoy Kumar
Thorat, Shri Sadipan Bhagwan Yumnam, Shri Yaima Singh
Tindivanam. Shri K, Ramamurthee Zainal Abedin, Shri
Topno, Kumari Frida NOES Tripathy, Shri Braja Kishore MR. CHAIRMAN: The result of the . Tytler, shri Jagdish division, after the correction done by Shri Kalka Das, is: Umbrey, Shri, lacta Ayes 307 Ummareddy Venkateswarlu, Prof. Noes Nil • Vadde, shri Sobhanadreeswara Rao The motion is carried by a majority of the Vee rappa, Shri Ramchandra total membership of the House and by a majority of not less than two-thirds of the Vekaria, Shri Shivlal Nagjibhai Members present and voting.
Verma, Shri Bhawani lal The motion was adopted
Verma. Shri Shiv Sharan CLAUSE 1 Short title and Commencement Verma, Shri Sushi! Chandra Amendment made: Verma, Shri Upendra Nath
Vijayaraghavan, Shri V.S. Page l,line 3,-
Vyas, Dr. Girija for "Seventy-eighth" substitute-
'The following members also recorded their votes for Ayes:
Shri Ashok Gehlot, Shri Probin Deka, Shri Ishwarbhai Khodabhai Chavda, Shri Ayub Khan, Dr. (Shrimati) K.S. Soundaram, Shri Surajbha:lu Solanki , Shri Jagmeet, Singh Brar, Shri Thulasiah Vandyar, Shri Bapu Hari Chave, Shri Gurcharan Singh, Dadahoor, Shri Vishwanath Shastri, Shri Ramchandra Marotro Ghangare, Shri Rosham Cel, Shri Ganga Reddy, Shri Bhubaneshwar Prasad Mehta, Shri Prem Chand Ram, Shri Jitendra Nath Das, Dr. Sudhir Ray, Shri Arjun Chatan Sethi, Shri N.K. Baliyan, Dr. G.l. Kanaujia, Dr. Ramesh Chand Tomar, Shri Devi Bux Singh, Shri Guman Mal Lodha, Shri Ramdew Ram Dr. B.K. Gudadinni. .
'~Wrongly voted for Noes Shri Kalka Das 47 Const. (78th Amend.) Bill AUGUST 20, 1992· Const (78th Amend,) Bill 48 MSeventy-first" 12.01 hrs.
(Shrl S.B. Chavan) DlV. NO. 5
MR. SPEAKER: Now I shall put clause AYES 1, as amended, to the vote of the House. Acharia, Shrl Basudeb the question is: Adikalaraj, Shri L.
~at clause 1, as amended, Advanl, Shri Lal K. stand part of the Bill." Agnihotri! Shri Rajendra The motion ..as adopted Ahamed. Shri E. Clause 1, as amended, was added to the Bill Ahirwar, Shri Anand Ahmed, Shri Kamaluddin MR. SPEAKER: The question is: Akber Pasha. Shri B. "That Enacting Formula and the long Title stand part of the Anbarasu Era. Shri Bill" Antulay~ Shri A.R. The motion was adopted Arunachalam, Shri M. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Ayub Kahn, Shri (SHRI S.B. CHAVAN): I beg to move: Ba~ha. Shri Mahendra ~hat the Bill, as amended, be passed," Bala, Dr. Asim
MR. SPEAKER: Before I putthe motion Balayogi. Shir C.M.C. that the Bill, as amended, be passed, to the vote of the House, this being a Constitution Baliyan. Shri NK (Amendmenet) Bill. voting has to be by Bandaru. Shri Dattatraya division. Banerjee. Kumari Mamata Let the Lobbies be cleared ...... Barman, Shri Palas Now. the Lobbies have been cleared. Barman, Shri Uddhab The question is: Basu, Shri Ani! ~at the Bill. as ameded, be passed.". Sasu, Shri Chitta
The Lok Sabha divided: Berwa, Shir Ram Naraln 49 Const. (78thAmend.) Bill SRAVANA20, 1914 (SAKA}Const. (78th Amend.} Bill 50 Bhadana, Shri Avtar Singh Choudhary, Shri Ram Tahal
Bhagat, Shri Vishweshwar Choudhury, Shri lokanath
Bhagey Gobardhan. Shri Choudhury, Shri SaHuddin,
Bhakta, Shri Manoranjan Chowdary. Dr. K.V.R.
Bhardwaj, Shri Paras Ram Chowdhary. Shrimati Snatosh
Bhattacharay~. Shrimati Malini Dadahoor. Shri Gurcharan Singh
Bhoi. Dr. Krupasindhu Dalbir Singh. Shri
Bhonsle. Shri Prataapro B. Damor. Shri Somjibhai
Bhonsle. Shri Tejsinghrao Das. Shri Dwaraka Nath
Birbal. Shri Das. Shri Jitendra Nath
Brar. Shri Jagmeet Singh Das. Shri Ram Sunder
Chaeke. Shri P.C. Datta, Shri Amal
Chakraborty. Prof. Susanta Deka, Shri Probin
Chandra Shekhar, Shri Dennis. Shri N.
Chandrakar. Shrt Chandulal Deora. Shri Murli
Chandreasekhar, Shrimati Maragatham Deshmukh, Shri Anantrao
Charles. Sshri A Deshmukh, Ashok Anandrao
Chatterjee. Shri Nimal Kanti Deverajan. Shri B.
Chatterjee. Shri Somnath Devi, Shrimati Bibhu Kumari
Chauhan. Shri Chetan P.S. Dharmabhiksham, Shrl
Chaure. Shri Papu Hari Dhum~l. Prof. Pram
Chavan, Shri Prithviraj D. Dighe. Shri Sharad
Chavda. Shri Harisinh Dikshit. Shri Shraesh Chandra
Chavda. Shri Ishwarbhai Khodabhai Dome, Dr. Ram Chandra
Chennithala, Shri Ramesh Orona. Shri Jagat Vir Singh
Chikhlia. Shrimati Bhavna Dubey. Shrimati Saroj
Chinta Mohan. Dr. Farook, Shri M.O.H. 51 Const. (78th Amend.) 8ill AUGUST 20, 1992 'Const (78th Amend.) 8nl 52 Fatmi, Shri Mohammad All Ashraf Jaffer Sharief, Shri C.K.
Femandes, Shri George Jakhar, Shrl Balram
Femandes, Shri Oscar Janarthanan, Shrl M.R. Kadambur
Gaikwad, Shri Udaysingrao Jangde. Shri Khelan Ram
Galib. Shri Gurcharan Singh Jaswant Singh. Shri
Gangwar; Dr. P.R. Jatiya. Shri Satynarayan
Gangwar, Shri Santosh Kumar Jeevarathinam. Shrl R.
Gautam. Shrimati Sheela Jena. Shri Srikanta
Gavit. Shri Manlkrao Hodlya Jeswani. Dr. K.D.
Gehlot. Shri Ashok Jha. Shri Bhogendra
Gangare. Shri Ramchandra Marotrao Jhikram. Shri Mohanlal
Ghatowar. Shri Paban Singh Joshi. Shri Anna
Giri. Shri Sudhir Joshi. shri Dau Dayal
Girija Devi. shrimati Kahandole. Shri Z.M.
Giriyappa. Shri C.P. Mudala Kalka Das. Shri
Gomango. Shri Giridhar Kamal Naath. Shri
Gopalan. Shrimati Suseela Kamble. Shri Arvind Tulshiram
Gowda. Prof. K. Venkatagiri Kanaujia. Dr. G.L.
Gudadinni. Shri B.K. Kanithi. Dr. Viswanatham.
Gundewar. Shri Vilasrao Nagnathrao Karreddula. Shrimati Kamala Kumari
Gupta. Shri Indrajit Kashwan. Shri Ram Singh
Harchand Singh. Shri Katheria. Shri Prabhu Dayal
Hooda. Shri Bhupinder Singh Kewal Singh. Shri
Hossain. Shri Syed Masudal Khan. Shri Aslam Sher
Imcha/emba. Shrl Khan. Shri Ghulam Mohammad
Inder Jit. Shri Khan. Shri Sukhendu
Islam. Shri Nurul Khandelwal. Shri Tara Chand 53 Const. {l8th Amend.} Bill SRAV ANA 20, 1914 (SAKA}Const. (78th Amend.) Bill 54 Khandurl, Maj. Ge. (Retd.) Bhuwan Manjay lal, Shri Chandra Marandi, Shri Simon Khurana, SOO Madan laJ Marbaniang, Shri Peter G. Konathala, Shri Rama Krishna Mathe~, Shri Pala K.M. Krishan Kumar, Shri S. Meena, Shri Bheru Lal Krishnaswamy, Shri M. Meghe, Shri Datta Krishnendra Kaur (Deepa), Shrimati Mehta, Shri Bhubaneshwar Prasad Kshirsagar, Shrimati Kesharbai Sonaji Mirdha, Shri Ram Niwas Kudumula, Kumari Padamasree Mishra, Shri Ram Nagina Kuli, Shri Balin Misra, Shri Satyagopal Kumar, Shri Nitish Mohan Singh, Shri Kumaramangalam, Shri Ragarajan Mollah, Shri Hannan Kunjee Lal, Shri Mujahid, Shri S.M. Kuppuswamy, Shri C.K. Mukherjee, Shrimati Geeta Kurien, Prof. P.J. Mukherjee, Shri Subrata Kusmaria, Shri Ramkrishna Mukhopadyay, Shri Ajoy Laljan Sasha, Shri S.M. Munda, Shri Govinda Chandra Lodha, Shri Guman Mal Munda, Shri Kariya Majajan, Shri Sumitra Muni§appa, Shri K.H. Mahato, Shri Bir Singh Muralee Dharan, Shri K. Mahto, Shri Shailendra Murmu, Shri Rup Chand Malik, Shri Dharampal Singh Murugesan, Dr. N. Malik. Shri Puma Chandra Nttemwar, Shir Vilas Mallikarjunaiah, Shri S. Naik. SLn A. Venkatesh Mallu, Dr. R. Nai~. Shri G. Devaraya Mandai, Shri Sanat Kumar Naik. Shri Ram Mandai, Shri Suraj Nandi, Shri Yellaiah 55 Const (78th Amend) Bill AUGUST 20. 1992 Const. (78th Amend.) BiR 56 Narayanan. Shrl P.G. Pathak, Shri Surendra Pal
Nawale, Shri ViduraVHhoba Patidar, Shri Rameshwar
Nayak. Shrl Mrutyunijaya Patil. Shri Prakash v.
Nikam, Shri Govindrao Patll, Shrlmatl Surya Kanta
Nyamagouda, Shri S.B. Patil, Shri Vijay Naval
Odeyar, Shri Channaiah Patnaik, Shri Sivaji
Oraon, Shri Lalit Patta, Dr. Kartlkeswar
Padma, Dr. (Shrimati) Pattanilyak. Shri Sarat Chandra
Pal, Dr. DeProsad Pawar, Dr. Vasant Niwrutti
Pal, Shri Rupchand Peruman, Dr. P. Vallal
Palacholla, Shri V.R. Naidu Pilot. Shri Rejesh
Pandeya, Dr. Laxminarayar. Potdukhe, Shri Shantaram ". Pandian, Shri D. Prabhu Zantye, Shri Harish Narayan
Panwar, Shri Harpal Pardhani, Shri K
Passi, Shri Balraj Pramanik, Shri Radhika Ranjan
Paswan, Shri Chbedi Prasad,. Shri Hari Kewal
Paswan, Shri Ram Vilas Prem, Shri S.L. Sharma
Paswan, Shri Sukdeo Premi, Shri Mangal Ram
Patel, Dr. Amri! Lal Kalidas PurJ Patel, Shri Brishin Rai, Shri Lall Babu Patel Shri Chandresh Rai, Shri M. Ramanna Patel, Shri Harilal Nanji Rai, Shri Ram Nihor Patel, Shri Praful Raj Narain, Shri Patel, Shri Ram Pujan Raje, Shrimati Vasundhara Patel, Shri Shravan Kumar Rajendra Kumar. Shri S.S.R. Patel, Shri Uttambhai Harjibhai Rajeshwaran, Dr. V. Pathak, Shri Harin Rajeswar, Shrimati Basava 57 Const (78th Amend.) BiD SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA)Const. (78th Amend.) Bill 58 Ram, Shri Prem Chand Saikia, Shri Muhi Ram Ram badan, Shri Sallan Kumar, Shri Ram, Singh, Shri Saleem, Shri mohammad Yunus Ramamurthy, Shri K. Sangma. Shri Purno A. Ramasamy, Shri R. Naidu Sanipalli. Shri Gangadhara Ramc:handran, Shri Mullapplly Saraswati, Shri Yoganand Ramdew Ram. Shri Sarode. Dr. Gunvant Rambhau Ramsagar. Shri Satrucharla. Shri Vijayarama Raju Rana. Shri Kashiram Sawant. Shri Sudhir Rao, Shri J. Chokka Sayeed. Shri P.M. Rao. Ram Singh. Col. Scindia, Shri Madhavrao Rawal, Dr.Lal Bhadur Selja. Kumari Rawat. Shri Prabhu Lal Sethi. Shri Arjun Charan Rawat, Prof. Rasa Singh Shakya, Dr. Mahadeepak Singh Ray. Shri Rabi Shankaranand, Shri B. Ray. Dr. Sudhir Shastri, Shri Rajnath Sonkar RaYcha ... u'· ..;ri, Shri Sudarsan Shastri. Shri Vishwanath Raddaiah Yada, Shri K.P. Shingda. Shri D.B. Reddy, Shri A. VenKata Shivappa. Shri K.G. Reddy. Shri B.N. shukla, Shri Astbhuja Prasad Reddy. Shri G. Ganga Shukla, Shri Vidyacharan Reddy. Shri K. Vijaya Bhaskara Siddhartha, Shrimati D.K. Iharadevi Rongpi. Dr. Jayanta Silv~ra. Dr. C. Roshan Lal. Shri Singh. Shri Devi Bux Roy. Shri Haradhan Singh. Shri Hari Kishore Sahi. Shrimati Krishna Singh. Shri Khelsai Sai. Shri A Prathap Singh. Shri Motilal . 59 Const. (78th Amend.) BiN AUGUST 20, 1992 Canst. (78th Amend.) BiR Singh, Shri Rajveer Thorat, Shri Sandipan Bhagwan Singh, Shri Ram Prasad Tindivanam, Shrl K. Ramamurthe~ Singh, Shrl Ramashray Prasad Tomar, Dr. Ramesh Chand Singh, Shri Rampal Topno, Kumari Frida Singh, Shri S.B. Tripathy, Shri Braji Kishore Singh, Shri Uday Pratap Tytler, Shri Jagdish Singh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap Umbrey, Shri Lacta Sinigh Deo, Shri K.P. Ummareddy Venkateswarlu, Prof. Sinha, Shri Shiva Sharan Vadde, Shri Sobhanadreeswara Rae Sodi, Shri Manku Ram Veerappa, Shri Ramachandra Solanki, Shri surajbhanu Vekaria, Shri Shivlal Nagjibhai Soren, Shri Shibu Verma, Shri Bhawani Lal Soundaram, Dr. (Shrimali) K.S. Verma, Shri Shiv Sharan Sultanpuri, Shri Krishan Dun Sundararaj, Shri N. Ve(ma. Shri Sushil Chandra Sur, Shri Morioranjan Verma. Shri Upendra Nath Suresh, Shri Kodikkunil Vijayaraghavan, Shri V.S. Swami, Shri Sureshanand Yadav, Shri Devendra Prasad Swamy, Shri G. Venkat Yadav, Shri Ram Lakhan Singh Syed Shahabuddin. Shri Yadav. Shri Ram Saran Tara Singh, Shri Yadav, Shri Sharad Tej Narayan Singh, Shri Yadav. Shri Surya Narayan Thakore, Shir Gabhaji Mangaji Yadav, Shri Vijoy Kumar Thakur, Shri Mahendra Kumar Singh Yumnam, Shri Yaima Singh Thangkabalu, Shri KV. Zail1al Abedin, Shrl Thomas, Prof. K.V. Noes Thomas, Shri P.C. Nil. 61 Canst. (78th Amend.) BiR SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA}Const. (78th Amend.) Bill 62 The following members also received day of the present session. it will end now. their votes for ages. He should, therefore, make a statement in the House today itself. You should request the hon. Minister of Defence to come and make statement in the House. With these MR. SPEAKER: Subject correction, words, I conclude. Many many thanks . . ~e resuit of the division is: 12,03 hrs. Ayes: 343 [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chaitj Noes: Nil [ Translation] The motion is carried by a majority of the total membership of the House an.d by a SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES majority of not less than two-thirds· of the (Muzaffarpur): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, "Yembers.... present and voting. yesterday I raised this issue motion through 1/ . an adjoumment motion. You said that there The Bill, as amended, is passed by the can be no discussion on it through requisite majority, in accordance with th~ adjoumment. Today I would like to mention provisions of Article 368 of the Constitution. that INTERPOL has this information thatthe international warrant issued to search and The motion was adopted. arrest Win Chaddha was withdrawn by the Govemment of India and a statement stating this fact was issued on the 15th November [ Translation] last yearby the Government of India. I raised this issue earlier also. I did not have the SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay North): Mr. knowledge of pattem of work of INTERPOL. Speaker, Sir, the hon. Minister of Defence But yesterday I got that knowledge .... ;.b:td gone to China. it was his first tour of China. No Minister' of Defence of India had [English] ever gone to China before him. He has retumedfromthere and it is already 20 days SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE since then. No information regarding the (Bolpur): Sir, the House should be brought contents of his statements made there has to order. been given tothis House. Generally, on such occasions when some Minister retums after some important visits of foreign countrJes, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Let there be he makes statement in the House. But the order in the House. han. Minister of Defence has made no such statement after coming from there. We [ Translation] would like to know as to what statements were made by him in China. What issues SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Mr. conceming the defence of the country were Deputy Speaker, Sir, after raising this issue raised by him during his talks with the in the House yesterday, I gathered the whole leaders of China? The House should be information regarding functioning of informed about all these. Today is the last INTERPOl. There is no single organisation i~______ "The following members who recorded their votes for Ayes: Dr. Girija Vyas. Shri Anwari Basavaraj Patil, Shrl Buta Singh, Shri P.P. Kaliaperunnal, Shri Thlpasiah Nandyar, Shri Upendra Nath Verma, Shri Bhagwan Shankar Rawat, Shri Girdhari lal Bhargava. Shri Dhananjay Kumar, Shri Ganga Ram Koli and Shri Chhotey La!. 63 Const (l8th Amend.) BiN AUGUST 20. 1992 Const. (78th Amend.) Bill 64 of INTERPOL that works throughout the have said this through the Interpol but the world. INTERPOL is actually an association fact Is that the Director of CBI and the CBI of the police of nearly 100 nations. Here the officials had informed there Switzerland police of one nation tries to soivethe problem counterpart that arrest and "arch warrant of the other nation by making a direct contact of Shri Win Chadda stand quashed. On 15th with the police of the other countries. Here November this was communicated to one thing is clear that when it is said that Swltzertand by the Govemment of India. India told INTERPOL. here. the INTERPOL means the C.B.I. of India. It is so because The CBI is under the direct control ofthe C.B.1. works as a national bureau of Hon. Prime Minister. Both within and outside INTERPOL in India. There is a small the House, atleast 25 times, the Hon. Prime department in our C.B.I. in which there are Minister has reiterated that all the facts only 15 employees. There is one D.S.P .• two regarding Bofors scandal will be brought to inspectors. two sub-inspectors. light. However. one thing is now clear that the Han. Prime Minister tells one thing to the [EngliSh] House and the nation but in the matter .fit payment of commission in the Bofors deal MR. DEPUlY SPEAKER: During the tells his Department - I have not mentioned last two davs many hon. Members. who the name of any MP In this connection. Why wanted to speak. have given notices in the is the loyalty being shown in the matter of Office. They will now get the chance to arrest warrant of Shri Win Chadda Issued by speak. Today. if all the matters are to be the Government.. ... taken up for discussion, then it will consume the entire time. Therefore, those who want [English] to raise a very big problem. can speak in the end and others. who want to raise a small THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE matter can finish their submissions within MINISTRY OF SURFACE TRANSPOR.T one or two minutes. (SHRI JAGDISHerYTLER): Sir. it should not go cn record. He is in the habit of accusing [ Translation] the Prime Minister. He can say whatever he likes. But, he cannot accuse the Prime SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Mr. Minister. Therefore,l requestthatthis should Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am coming to the be'expunged from the records. point of action taken by the hon. Prime Minister. Can there be any more serious SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA matter than this. I will not take much of your (Andaman & Nlcobar Island): Sir, he cannot time. I simply want to give only this much say anything he Ii~es. What is this? information to the House that there is a wing in our C. B.1. It is a very department in which AN HON. MEMBER: He has nol there are only 15 employees. There are five mentioned anybody, name. constables, 5 typists and clerks and there MR. DEPUlY SPEAKER: I will hear all are only 5 officers of police. There is one of you. D.S.P.,1wo inspectors, two sub-inspectors. This is the department of INTERPOL in [Translation] . India. The Director of CBI is one of the Members of the 13 Member intemational SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Why are executive of Interpol. This report has been you taking up the cause of Silri Win Chadda got published in the newspapers that we In the House? "Expunged as ordered by the Chair 65 Const. (78th Amend.) Bill SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA}Const (78th Amend.) Bill 66 (English) . between the sayings and acts of the Hon. Prime Minister. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. George • Femandes, there are hon. Members who With these words I conclude. are continuously agitating. Some of those who have come to the Office at 10 O'clock (English) and given the notices, could not get a chance to ventilate their grievances. Most of the SHRI SOMNATH CHAITERJEE: Sir. Members feel very unhappy. So my humble this Is a very very serious matter. The request to all the hon. Members is that Government should'l'espond to this. There is please provide an opportunity to other . apparently a clear conspiracy .... members also to ventilate their grievances. ( Inteffuptions). [ Translation) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please resume your seats. Probably you also must SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Mr. have heard that some of our friends have Deputy Speaker, Sir, I too gave a notice expressed their unhappiness in the Lobby before 10 O'clock and I am about to conclude. saying that in spite of their constant, continuous efforts, they.have not been given , [English) an opportunity to speak. Since today is the last day of the session and there are very MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. George, important matters pertaining to their do not mistake me. The issue that you are . constituencies, may, I humbly request you raising is of a very global nature. So, what all kindly accommodate them also? Here is I request you is you can have a chance atthe the list which contains the names of sixty end and those Members 'I ho speak for one Members. I wish that everybody should ~inute or half a minute, may be given the have a chance and nobody should be chance first. That is my humble request. denied a chance to speak. So, my request Hope you gracingly agree to this proposal. is kindly try to accommodate the SUbsequent speakers also. Hope you will all agreetothis [ Translation) proposal . . SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Mr. [ Translation) Deputy Speaker, Sir,l am about to conclude with my last sentence. My accusation against SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA (Pali): the Hon. Prime Minister stands in it is but. I Before you speak. I would like to know that would like to submit that the Police whether the Government has not withdrawn Department of Switzerland is prepared to the arrest warrant on 15th November, 1991 extrodite Shri Win Chadda if the Government which was issued against Shri Win Chadda? of India wants to prosecute him, as the Interpol never acts in its own but only address and adopted name of Shri Win implementsllakes action on the orders oUhe Chadda have become public through the CBI. (Inteffuptions) newspapers in that country. (/nteffuptions) Idemandfromthe Hon. Prime Ministerthat [English) he should immediately despatch the request for the extradition of Shri Win Chadda to MR. DEPUTYSPEAKER:JustfceLodha India. Otherwise we will be forced to tell the Ji, probably you have heard what I said. We whole world that there is a vast difference shall have to follow certain norms. I very 67 Const. (78th Amend.) Bill AUGUST 20, 1992 Const (78th Amend.) SHI 68 humbly request you kir:dlyto accommodate THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY subsequent speakers. Of course, George AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NAB I AZAO): Femandes just made an attempt and he Sir, I have a submission. What Shrl George spoke... Femandes has said, I am not reacting to that. But I have already requested the hon. (Interruptions) Minister Incharge .. Shrimati Margaret Alvaji and she wiU be coming. She is busy in the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please . other House at the moment I have requested excuse me. t will call the names as per the herto react to this. So, we will definitely react list.. to this. She is the Minister concemed. ( Interruptions) (Interruptions) Now, in the meanwhile, I would like to SHRt VIJAY NAVAL PATIL (Erandol): submit that about 65 to 70 hon. Members Why give him the first chance every time? have given notice to the hon. Speaker to That is the problem. speak in zero hour. Well, I do not have any objection. I would have no objection for a MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I will call the chance to be given to them. But, we had names as per the Jist. Kindly bear with me discussed in the morning that we will discuss today so that everybody should have a two Bills because both the Bills will have to chance because some Members have waited go to the other House. We have already for four-five days but they could not get a passed one Bill. The other Bill will take hardly chance. I think let us not deny them the five minutes. I, therefore, request that it be chance. So, with your kind permission and taken up. (Interruptions) That is your Bill. cooperation, may t call the names as perthe (Interruptions) By 'your Bill' I mean the list? •.. Members of Parliament. (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: A Bill pertaining to the facilities to the Members of [Translation] Parliament: SHRt GUMAN MAL LODHA: Who has SHRI GHULAM NABII\l.AD: So, if we allowed Shri Win Chadda to live in Switzerland go on with the zero hour like this, it will take as a free man? If the arrest warrant has not another three hours. If we take the Bill after been withdrawn then initiate extradition and that, it will not be passed by the other House. arrest proceedings against Shri Win I will submit that we pass the other Bill also Chaddha. (Interruptions) in five minutes and then we can continue with the zero hour and in the meanwhile (Interruptions) I will request the Minister [English] concemedto reaclto what the hon. Members said. (Interruptions) SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH (Fatehpur): Sir, the Government should tell the House today whether they have canceled SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: (Bankura): the warrant, and if they have cancelled the Sir, every Member is allowed to speak for warrant against Win Chaddha, why? At least one or two minutes we can complete it early. they must come today and say something. ( Interruptions) 69 ConsL (78th Amend.) BRI SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) SaIaJy, Allowances and 70 Pension of M.Ps. (Amefnd.) Bil [Translation) shall call Members one by one. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA (South SHRIGHULAM NABIAZAD: Sri, before Deihl): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir,subsequent that, I wUI again submit that the Bill be taken to my raising the issue of hoisting of Pakistani up. flag in Kashmir on 14th August, the han. Minister of Home Affairs promised to make MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yes. There is a statement on the incidents of 14th and 15th an amendment. There is a Bill pertaining to of August. And today is the last day of the the facilties of the hon. Members. After session. passing the Bill here it shall have to go to Rajya Sabha. So, do you agree that we shall [English] take it up now? SHRI HARISH NARAYAN PRABHU SEV. HON. MEMBERS: Yes. ZANTYE (Panaji): Sir, the han. Minister wants five minutes forthe passing of the Bill. SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: Thank It may be taken up first. you. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: Sir, 12.18 hrs. Shri Khurana is monopolising the House everyday. Other also should be given a SALARY, ALLOWANCES AND PENSION chance., (Interruptions) OF MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL· [ Translation] [English] SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Mr. Speaker, Sir, on 14th of August Pakistani THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY flag was hoisted in Kashmir and on 15th of AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): August rockets were fired on Independence Sir, I beg to move for leave to introduce a Day functi:n being held there. Thirdly, I Bill furtherto amend the Salary, Allowances would like to submit thatthe Ex-Chief Minister and Pensions of Members of Parliament of Kashmir, Shri Farooq Abdullah, has given Act,1954. a statement that the Kashmir issue should be settled by Pakistan, India and the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question Kashmiris. Therefore, this way three nation is: theory has been advocated by him. On the issue of the statement the Minister of State "That leave be granted to introduce In the Ministry of Home Affairs promised to a Bill further to amend the Salary, make a statement when you were in the Allowances and Pensions of Members of Parliament Act, 1954.- Chair. Today is the last day of the session and we want that the han. Minister of State The motion was adopted. in the Ministry of Home Affairs should make a statement today itself. (Interruptions) SHRIGHULAM NABI AZAD: I introduce the Bill. [Enggsh] Sir, I beg to move: MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: As It iS,widely . agreed in this House, I shall follow the list. I "That the Bill further to amend the ·Published in the Gazette of India, Extraordinary, Part II, sec;tion 2, dated 20.8.1992 71 Salary, AHowancss and AUGUST 20, 1992 (Amsend.) 811 72 Pension of M.Ps. Salary, Allowances and Pensions of Members of Parliament Act, of Members of Parliament Act, 1954, be taken Into consideration·. 1954, be taken into consideration-. [ Translation] The Joint Committee on Salaries and Allowances of Members of Parliament have Published In the Gazette of India. made certain recommendations of Increasing Extraordinary, Part II, section 2, dated the facilties and allowances of Members of 20.8.1992 Parliament and regarding pension of ex Members of Parliament. These SHRI NITISH KUMAR (Barh): Mr. recommendations have been carefully Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is a saying 'Jaat considered by the Govemment. However, in ganwaye, bhaat na khaya' . The number of view of the stringent economic situation air joumeys have been increased from 16 to prevailing in the country it is proposed to 28 and a prOVision has been made to allow acceptthe proposals to provide only forthe one companion. They could have increased following: " it from 16 to 32. This Is meaningless. This is a striking example of the saying 'Jaat (i) to Increase the mumber of single air ganwaye, bhaat na khaya'. There' will be" journeys from any place in India to " infamy throughout the country that the any other place in India admissible Members of Parliament are helping for Members of Parliament from 16 to themselves. There Is price -rise, yet the 28 per annum; M.Ps. are adding to their facilities. Except for infamy, the M.Ps are not going to benefit (Ii) to allow un availed air joumeys out of in any manner. Now there will be ahullabaloo those admissible for Members of in all the constituencies that now the M.ps. Parliament to be utilised for taking are ontitled to take one person along with one companion In an air joumey. them and consequently, every Tom, Dick and Harry will requesttheir M.Ps. to take him Acceptance of these two proposals or her alongwith him. We are making you would involve an additional recurring aware of our problems. expenditure of approximately Rs. 1 .44 crores per annum. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to take this opportunityto tell you that it doesn't In view of the severe resource constraints behave of the M.Ps. to increasetheirfacilities and the utmost need to curtail expenditure themselves. In this context, Shri Advani has it has not been feasible to accept any other all along been saying that the entire matter recommendation at this stage. concerning the salary, pension and " allowances of MPs need to be reviewed The Bill is very simple and non afresh and it. should had be decided upon in controversial and I am sure that it will be this august House. Their salary should also passed unanimously. With these words, I be fixed on a specific pay scale, so that, it commend the Bill to the House. automatically increases or decreases, as the case may be. At present, the House has MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: Motion to be approached If the salary Is to be moved: increasM even by two rupees and this naturally created ill-will throughout the ~at the Bill further to amend the country. The media also turns antagonistic. Salafy, Allowances and Pensions "in such situations. Although nothing 73 Salary, Allowances and SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) (Ame8nd.) Bin 74 PensIon of M.Ps. substantial has been done so far, and the also. In the last SeSSion, I remember in the journeys have been increased only form 16 . Budget SeSSion, the Government had to 28, much will be written about in the mooted the p,roposal which said that you are newspapers. This is bound to increase the Imposing taxes on the common people, you difficulties of the MPs in their constituencies. are going and borrowing money under I am not talking of the senior leaders, but conditions which are even derogatory to the certainly when ordinary party workers like us country'sprestige, and we said that 'if you try return to the capital, our constituents are to Implement this, we cannot be a party to it. going to pressurise us to take them along to I! everybody has to suffer, we must also Delhi, on the plea that now we are entitled suffer. There is no question about that. We to do so. This is bound to happen. The MPs must share the sufferings of the people. Not are not going to benefit from if in any manner . only that, Sir, there are countries, there are whatsoever. Rather they are going to be the Parliaments where Members of those· losers. 28 journeys is equivalent to 14 single Houses, probably, are getting much better journeys. If it had to be done, it could have and more facilities. But we are not going to been increased from 16 to 32, so that the old compete with them. That is not our outlook position could have been restored. I would at all. At least my party's outlook is not that. like to make this situation clear and request The minimum facilties have to be given that the journeys may be increased to 32, in naturally. Otherwise, how can we function? place of 28, so that at least the old benefits But the points is, whether this is essentially ,are made available, not Withstanding the to be done at this stage, we have our doubts infamy it causes. on that. So far as we are concerned, we cannot be party to this decision. I would like [English] . to say that the Government should have considered it and if they have considered it SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE althe appropriate time later on, it would have (Bolpur): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, these been better. matters which come before the House from time to time create a particular situation Sir, there are very serious problems which is not very palatable to the Members today, before the nation. Today, we find that of Parliament. the Haldia Fertiliser Factor is being sold becausetheGovemment is unable to provide Sir, we know thanks to the functioning of any money 10r running the Haldia Fertiliser this Government, the price rise is unabated Factory. The Exit Policy is there. So far as and problems are. there, Members of public sector is concerned, in many public Parliament also feel the difficulties, those sedor concerns, salary and wages are not who seriously and sincerely wish to discharge being paid. I referred to the hon. Prime their functions certainly face the problems. Minister only two days back thatthe Durgapur But we cannot ignore the fact that the Fertiliser Unit is lying closed because furnace economic situation in this country is very oil could not be purchased for running the critical; it is not my statement only, even the boiler, and the workers are sitting idle and Government has to admit that, otherwise wages are not being paid. This is a very ,theycannotjustify theirsurrenderto IMF.At difficult situation for the country. Therefore, least they have thought fit not to bring the my suggestion would be that we should very other recommendations into the ambit of seriously think of evolving a mechanism this Bill. outside the participation olthe MPs •• because . the people will always say that we are Sir, this is a very inappropriate moment thinking about ourselves and we are giving 75 Salary. Allowances and AUGUST 20, 1992 (Ameend.) Bill 76 Pension of MPs. ourselves some extra benefits. We have before this nation. Till that time, there Is no requested the hon. Speaker also to think of justification for us to tell the people that the evolving a body or a mechanism outside the people should wait for three years. Thank • periphery of the MPs and considering the god, one year back, Shri Manmohan Singh situation they will decide. They will also find has said that we should wait for three years. out the minimum necessity for an efficient On the 15th of August, from the ramparts of functioning inside the House and that body Red Fort, the Prime Minister has said, we orthat mechanism will decide what are the . should wait for three years. It has come to facilties which should be made available to four years now. Let us wait. Ifthepeopleare the MPs, so that we do not face this asked to have that patiences and endurance, embarrassing situation of giving ourselves the Members of Parliament should show something for which there is no specific more endurance and patience. mandate from the people. I shall beg my friends, Mr. Ghula Nabl Therefore, this is our objection on the Azad notto bring this Bill. He should withdraw merits, on the mechanism of it. We are not the Bill in a~1 humility. saying that there are no problems, but the problems outside the House, the problems I appealto you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, we of the common people, problems of the are passing through a very critical time. We working class are mounting and thanks to are not feeling what the people's aspirations the policies of this Government, they are are outside the House. They are hating us. reaching a critical proportion. Therefore, I Unfortunately I am using these words. The would have been very happy if the whole institution of parliamentary democracy Government had not brought it now and is coming to disgrace. Let us not add could have waited till the next situation for anything more. The bestthing lor Mr. Ghulam , the situation to improve. Nabi Azad will be to withdraw this Bill. ( Inte"uptions) 12.24 hrs. [ Translation] SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR (Ballia): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I share the SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH sentiments expressed by Shri Somnath (Jahanahat): I am on a pOint of order. We Chatte~ee. The country is in a difficult do not require this Bill. Please withdraw it. situation and especially the poorer sections are suffering the worst. This morning, a [English] delegation of weavers was there with me and the weavers had committed suicide in SHFmNDRAJITGUPTA(Midnapore): I many parts of the country. The problems is know that this Bill has been brought forward that the poorer sections are the worst as a result 'of considerable pressure which sufferers. The Govemment of India has has ~een exerted on the Government for introduced a new economic policy and the some time now. And the pressure was not House and this nation has been assured only for increasing the intermediate air that in a very short time, the fruits or results journeys but, in the main pressure has been of that policy will be before the nation; there for increasing the emoluments - whether it will be prosperity, there will be glory alround, is daily allowance or constituency allowance the people will be with honey and milk. So, or whatever it is. Jet us wait till that time when the promised Eldorado of Mr. Manmohan Singh comes Many Members, I know, have been n falat)'. Abrances and SAA VANA 20, 1914 (SAKA) rlmSlon of M.Ps. (Ameend.) BiN 78 pressing that these emoluments must be will be eno~gh to compensate for this extra increased. At least, I am thankful for showing expenditure that you purpose to take now a small mercy. The hon. Minister has at least on yourself. We do not want the Ministers to rejected those demands, for the time being, go round the country telling the people, what and has said that he cannot agree to those could we do: members are pressurising day demands because of tha financial position of and night. Therefore, we had to agree to the Government and the economy of the this. Therefore, we have done it. country and the suffering of the people outside and all that, to which reference has We do not want this thing to be put on been made. He has restricted the Bill only to our shoulders . • the question of air journeys. Now it is true that airjoumeys do not add to the emoluments Therefore, I think it is better let them of the Members. But it is certainly going to reconsider this. Withdraw the Bill or keep it in mean extra expenditureforthe Government. abeyance or do something. Wait till better It is the Government itself which has been . times. They can keep it pending. They need c;aying that it is not in a financial position to not pass it just now. afford any unnecessary expenditure now. That is what I have to say. I do not mind saying that I would very much welcome some more air journey. At [ Translation] least, I do not travel only between Delhi and my constituency. I have to go to various PROF. PREM, DHUMAL (Hamirpur): places in difference parts of the country. I Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as Shri Indrajit would welcume this facility. But the pOints is, Gupta correctly observed that on the last the impressi on has been created, absolutely day of each and every session, some Bills on the last day of the Session, in a hurry, we are brought in haste as a result of which are passing something which is adding to many sort of confusions arise in the minds ourfacilties and adding to the expenditure of of the common man and voters. In the Ninth the Government. I do not think, this is a lok Sabha also, a Bill was hardly introduced. desirable thing at all. The President did not give hisconsenltothe Bill, but a report that all the Ex·MPs will get If the Government insists on passing a pension of Rs. 1250i- gained currency this Bill, wha':ever they calculate the total among the masses. Mr. Deputy Speaker. additional expenditure will be for the Sir, it seems that many people have their Government, I have to make a proposal. Of reservations on this issue. So far as air course, it is rrty personal proposal. I did not journeys are concerned, many MPs do use have time to consult my colleagues. I would ·this facility, but all MPs cannot afford it and be prepared to suggest that if you wantthese it is meaningless for people like us, who extra facilties at this cost or any other facility, have no travel facility. We have been we are prepa,red to give up from our daily repeatedly asking for secretarial facility to allowance, sa '/ Rs. 50 a day. How much it enable us to carry our correspondence with will come, if Y'.)U add up all the Members of out constituents, who write to us, but no both the Houd 's? Rs. 50 a day from our daily positive steps has been taken in that direction. allowance w(' are prepared to give up to Througti you, I would like to draw the make up for that thing. That will also be attention of the House to the fact that when something to show that we are prepared to this propo~al is being opposed teeth and nail, make some sacrifice, however, small it may . and the Government wants to do it on the be. Rs. 50 pel' day from our daily allowance grounds that, it is being press uri sed by the 79 Salary. Allowances and AUGUST 20. 1992 (Ameend.) em 80 Pension of M.Ps. MPs.ltwouldbebetterifthe leaders of all the are not sufficient for a Member of Parliament political parties sit together and take a decision who has to sincerely perform his duties both In it and until them. It can be withhold. within the House and outside and who has to maintain a perfectly moving office Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir secondly. the secretariat and be visiting his Constituency. most important thing is that the Govem ment should certainly pay its attention to providing People hate the porlticians iftheybecoma some facllties to the Members of Parliament corrupt, if they change the Parties and to enable them to carry out correspondence whenever bring splits In the Parties. But with their constituents. This is my humble people will not feel if appropriate emoluments suggestion. are given to the Members of Parliament as . long as they stick to the mandate given to [English] them by the Party and as long as they perforTntheirduties responsibly and function SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO in the best possible way. I know very well VADDE (Vijayawada): Mr. Deputy Speaker. there were some Governments which had Sir. I support the Bill. recommended to the President of India to sanction penSion to a Member even if a The spouse is also a very important Member completes one year of his tenure In member of the family. (Interruptions). Parliament. The earlier provision was four . years and 'nine months or something like MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: Let there be that. There were some Governments which order in the House. had proposed that a mere one-year tenure would be sufficient. My only submission is SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO that I do not find anything objectionable in VADDE: Till now the spouse is not availing this present Bill. The Government must take this facility. all possible stops to provide necessary facilities to the Members to disc:harge their I very well remember we have been duties to the best possible extent. pleading right from the days of Eighth Lok Sabha that this facility should be provided Thank you very much. within the total number of the air journeys permiSSible to the Member. If, instead of MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now I call making 16 journeys by the Member, Member . Shri Suraj Mandai to speak. and spouse can make eight journeys during the tenure of the membership. The Member ( Interruptions) would like to visit several far off places like Andaman and Lakshadweep and some other MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: You will have places and by denying the spouse this facility the opportunity. Now I have callod the flame of air journey, it will be very difficult for the of Shri Suraj MandaI. He is alrff,ady on his spouse to visit those places. Only the 'legs. . Member can avail this facility. So, we have been suggesting that this facility should be (Interruptions) extended to the spouse also and this Bill has been brought with this objective in view. [Translation] I would like to 'say that there IS nothing SHRI RAM NAG INA MISHRA wrong in saying thatthe presentemoluments (Padrauna): Mr. Deputy Speakor. Sir, I am ,1 SaJarv. AIlowaiJces and SRAVANA 20.1914 (SAKA) (Ameend.) BIN 82 PensIon 01 M.Ps. . a Memberofthls particular Committee. When o commodities rose in the market and the hon. I used to attend the meetings· of this Members are not satisfied with the air-travel committee, people used to mock at me. facilities. Today none can even think of Who provides the amenities to the MPs? I purchasing a thing on the same price for strongly recommen~d in the Committee for which it was purchased two years back in the introduction ofthis Bill and I made it clear Delhi. Therefore, the hon. Members have to that no work will be done, if it is not remain silent. If the Government wants to introduced. Only the resourceful people are prevent the moral degradation of hon. opposed to it. I support this Bill and request Members, their deamess allowance should that it should be passed. (/nteffuptions) be certainly be increased in commensurate with the increase in the prices, otherwise SHRI KALKA DAS (Karol Bagh): As their moral will be . degraded. Big leaders Shri Nitish Kumar observed. it is also my . manage but other members face many submission that this Bill is very necessary. difficulties. The leaders of the Communist but it n~eds time to complete Parliamentary Party suggest their members many things procedures. (Inteffuptions) and I have talked to them. Theysaythat they can lIOt save any amount from their salary [English] because it is so meagre that It is not possible to do so. Here the hon. Members get Rs. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There is a 150 as daily allowance whereas even the system. I am calling the heads of political M.L.A's. of the Bihar Legislative Assembly parties to speak in order to know their views. get the same amount ... (/nteffuptions) When one hon. Member is standing. meanwhile if some other members get up Therefore, if they are not given air and say whatever they want to say, is it a facilities, it does not matter, but every hon. proper procedure to be adopted on the floor Member shOUld be given reasonable of this House? We should have certain constituency allowance. Otherwise the norms. I have requested all the heads of the Government should reduce the daily parties to speak and they are expressing allowance of M.Ps and may provide free their views. Now I have called Shri Suraj ration to the Members so that they do not Mandai. have to worry about that Otherwise every M.P should be asked not to have meals at (Inteffuptions) their home thrice a weak. Everything should be made clear there. Otherwise, there is MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: You will also every possibility of moral degradation of have a chance to express what you feel o M.Ps .... (/nteffuptions) ... about it. I will call you. SHRI NITISH KUMAR: Mr. Deputy [ Translation] Speaker, Sir, the back benchers belonging to every party should be given opportunity to SHRI SURAJ MANDAL (Godda): Mr. speak, so that their realfeeling can be learnt. Deputy Speaker, Sir, several hon. Members have expressed their opinion regarding MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yes, we will Salary, Allowance and Pension of Members call them. of Parliament (Amendment) Bill introduced In the House. Yet It cannot be the view of all SHRI NITISH KUMAR: I have asked a thOe hon. Members. In the wake of devaluation specific question as to whether the of rupee in our country the prices of all the Government want to reduce the number of 83 Salary, AHowances and AUGUST 20, 1992 (Arn88nd.) BiR 84 Pension of M.Ps. air-travel facilities or it will remain the same. Prime Minister about. I remember, In the (Interruptions) Eighth Lok Sabha twas paying one rupee for traveling by a matador van. Now I am paying [English] three rupee to travel by the matador van. This is just an example. I am glad that the . THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY , leaders are afraid of the people as we are AFFAIRS (SHRI GULAM NABI AZAD): I afraid of peqple, request that this is for MPs and we should listen to the views of MPs only and not the In 1956-57, our plan was only a few views of the leaders. thousand crores. Now It is so many Iakh era res of rupees. I hope the former Prime [ Translation] Minlsterwill pay attention to this. Our present Prime Minister has asked for a moratorium SHRI SURAJ MANDAL: Therefore, I in the interest of the people. Let us come submit to the han. Minister that on the one together and have a consensus on having a hand he provides some facilities and money, . moratorium for one year. Today is the on the other hand heavy deduction are Birthday of Shri late Shri Rajiv Gandhi. Let made from the salary. Though, the M.Ps. us have a moratorium for one year up to 20th are given Rs. 5500 per month as salary but August next year in the organised sector. actually no one gets more than Rs. 4,000 a Shri George Fernandes is here. Let him say month. Therefore, I want that the facilities for that there will be moratorium for one year in M.Ps. should be increased. It does not the organised sector. matter if air -travel facilities are not given to us, we will travel by train, because train SHRIGHULAM NABIAZAD: I request , journey is free for MPs. But there should be the hon, Members to confine to the subject. a definite increase in their constituency allowance and daily allowance. This is my (Interruptions) request. (Interruptions) SHRI M. R. KADAMBUR JANAR [English] THANAN: We are equally afraid of our people as our leaders are. I have faced SHRI M.R. KADAMBUR JANAR three elections in eight years. I know much THANAN (Tirunelveli): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, on election costs to every Member. We do Sir, I rise to speak a few words as an ordinary not want to plunder the money of the Member of Parliament. Some important Government for our sake. We do not want leaders have given their views including the to take any advantage. I plead with the former Prime Minister. I recall the days when veteran le~ders to allow us to meet out I came to this Parliament as a new Member . constituency people whenevertheycalllJs. in 1984. At that time, the air charges were Rs. 1,500 to my constituency. But today it is SHRI CHinA BASU (Barasat): Sir, it Rs, 4000. It is not our fault. You must has turned out to be a regular debate. It Ie rememberthat we are going to the Southern quite a naturalthing. There ',hOuldbedebale end of Tamil Nadu for attending every social on this subject. There are mara. question function, for attending ordinary marriages of involved in it and nobodw ahould den~ I. w. poor people and also to meet party workers. have got the privilege of dec:iding IbouIIhe TherelcH'i, it is not a lUXUry for a Member of emoluments, the sal.... 8nd other Iacilitiel • Parliament to have that extra joumey, I that we should be entlll.cUo. Sir,' iI nat the request the veteran leaders like the former time, when the countrr it puling through 85 Salary, Allowances and SRA VANA 20, 1914 (SAKA) P(I(Is70n of M.Ps. . o~e of the acute situations In our economy. Today.. we are paying Rs.200-300 towards taxi fare daily. We are spending that MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Because of much because of the increase in' petrol ~e side talk, the reporters feel It extremely prices and because of the increase 'In taxi i' difficult to take down what the hon. Member · fares. We are .doing that. But here, we are is speaking. Therefore, my appeal to the just asking I.or increase in air jQurneys. We hon. Members is to kindly bear in mind the may all understand that those who are near order of the House. the capital or living around Delhi, they can very well oppose. I can understand that. SHRI CHITIA BASU:Wecannot afford Even from Calcutta, West Bengal, they have to forget that we are part of our people. We got Rajdhani Express which takes about 17 cannot afford think that we are different from hours to 'reach here. But what about us? We the broad masses of our country. When the have to travel for three days :56 hourS, to broad masses of our country are facing reach South, whether it is for Karnataka, acutc economic difficulties, we cannot seek Tamil Nadu or Kerala. They can go alid 'Over this issue as to whether our facilities come back by train. But what about our are to be increased or not. It has got no plight? People living nearby, say in Rajasthan, moral conscience as such. I am not in favour Madhya Pradesh, Delhi, I can understand of ourselves being authorised to fix up our when they say that they do not want it. It is own emoluments and salaries. There should all right. But what about us? We are suffering; be an independent body which can really we have to travel for 56 hours. And 16 examine the necessities of the efficient journeys amounts to how many? If you take Members of Parliament to discharge their four journeys in one session, that way, twice responsibilities for the country. Also, the we can go and come back. With so much of country should understand that the rulers of work in the constituency and sometimes' so the country are also willing to share their much of illness and sufferings in families, we :)ufferings. Andthat will create a new climate. · have to go and come back. So we must have more journeys. We are nOI asking for Therefore, Sir, I feel that this is not the increase in a·IIowance. We are not asking for opportune time, this is not the appropriate increase in daily allowance. Nothing. We are time to revise or increase rather, the facilties just asking for increase in the number of fair which we have enjoying today. I WOUld, journeys. therefore, urge upon the Government to see that they revise their decision and withdraw Here also I can suggest one more thing. the Bill and continue the allowances that are He has said companious. Please remove given to the Members of Parliament. companion.and keep only the spouse and · that can do. SHRI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT (Ponnani): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I must SHRI NiTiSH KUMAR: Companion say that, unfortunately, manyofthe Members looking like spouse. have not properly understood the Bill. We are not asking for emoluments; we are not SHRi EBRAHIM SULAIMAN', SAlT: jPsking for increase In ~onthly allowances. Please also understand the status of various We are asking nothing of that sort. We are wings, that is executive, judiciary a'nd notdoing it because we are conscious of the legislature. How much money is spent onthe I fact that the country is passing through a executive, how much money is spent on grave financial crisis. So, we are suffering. judiciary. Compared to that much less is We know what our position is today. spent on legislature. So they should be given a1 ~;Aitowances and AUGUST 20, 1992 (AmHnd.) 1111· 88 PensIOn of M.Ps. facilities. so that they can properly' work. the Members of this august HoUle. Can they Therefore I fuRy support this Bill with oniy disclose their assets from the time of their one change that Instead ot companion. It election to this Parliament and today? I am should be spouse. This should be there and prepared to dO It. , am prepared to disclose .. that win be of great help for those MPs who my assets as on the tlrst day of the 8th Lole . come from the southern part of the country. Sabha and.that ot 10th Lok Sabha. [ Ttanslation) Secondly, I have been a Member ofthe Estimates ·Committee -both in the 8th Lok SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH Sabha and in the 10th lok Sabh,. I was (Fatehpur): Mr. Deputy Speak~r, Sir, it annoyed the way In which money was spent appears thattheGovemment has introduced for the Members ot Parliament. When we go this Bill at an inappropriate time. I very much for a Committee meeting, It there are 21 wish that the rosy picture painted by Shri Members, there will be 21 Ambassador cars Manmohan Singh has drawn becomes a and 30 cars for the officers - 52 cars will be • reality. You too should believe that such going together. We were accommodated in'" good days will come when the inflation will the 5 star Hotels. With my experience come down to single digit and if some knowing the agony of the common man, in economic improvements are witnessed, with the 1Oth lok Sabha when I was elected tothe his efforts, everybody will appreciate it .. Estimates Committee, In the tirst meeting Necessities are increasing continually. I am Itself I proposed that under no circumstances, not discussing the necessities ot hon. Members of Parliament ot Estimates Members. As it was pointed out that those Committee should be accommodated In 5 who live in distant areas, need these Star Hotels. necessities because they have to make frequent visits there. Moreover, since politics 13.00 hI'S. has become more complicated, they have to visit their area frequently. But this does not We sai.d we should be accommodated behove in present circumstances, this is . where possible In the Government why I speak so. It is my opinion that it will be accommodation or in the ordinary house. betterto introduce this Bill after the economy We passed a resolution and we sent in to all of the country improves a bit. the departments concerned. During the last two years trom the constitution ot the Tenth [English) lok Sabha - none of us in the Estimates Committee stayed in the Five Star Hotels. SHRI A. CHARLES (Trivandrum): Mr. So, I now propose to them. In the Public Deputy Speaker, Sir, if my information is Accounts Committee, in the Estimates correct, when this issue was discussed by Committee in the Public Undertakings the Salary and Allowances Committee, not Committee and all other Parliamentary even a single Member in that Committee Committees, let them also resolve that they opposed it. But when it comes as a Bill for will not stay in Five Star Hotels. (Interruptions) discussion in the Parliament, to get cheap . Sir, they are not understanding the problems popularity some of the Members without of the Members of Parliament who corne understanding the real problem of the from the Southem parts and the North common and ordinary MPs, speak against Eastem parts of the country. It. I speak from my heart. I myself am an ordinary MP. I have been a Member of this From Trivandrum, only K K Express House from the 8th lok Sabha. I challenge comes t!l New Deihl. It takes more than 60 89 Salary. Allowances and SRAVANA 20.1914 (SAKA) (Ameend.) BiB 90 PensIon of M.Ps. hours for a Journey. We have to go to the SHRI A CHARLES: Sir, only one more Constituency which takes two days. In the thing I would say. We do not have Rajdhani last Budget Session of Parliament which ExpresS'. We have only ordinary trains. This '* there for three months, I was able to go is the bear need of the common MPs who .•n'y once to my constituency. Sir, I also are coming from the distant parts of the know that if I want, by a telephone ca", I wi" . country. So, please do not differenciate; get twenty tickets in a day. That 1$ not a please do not be hlpocratJc. problem in this country for the Members of Parliament and for those who misuse the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No more power. please. Shri Chaliha. So when this Bill ispassed,this message SHRI KIRIP CHALIHA (Gwwahati): Mr. will go to the Constituency. I know, it will go Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would just like to to Trivandrum. But my people know as to make an appeal to a" to realise the difficulties .how honestly I live. From my quarters, I of the Members of Parliament. You will he ·';&me either by tempo van or by the surprised to know that the member's salaries Autorickshaw.1 do not maintain a car. There and other prOVisions that we get are totally are several MPs like me. We are not seeking insufficient. We, the MPs of the North-East any higher emoluments or perquisities. We belonging to all parties metthehon. Speaker are riot for this. But we want to go to the last week. Wehaverequesfedhimto Increase constituency when there is a crisis. at least the air journey's provision. That is because, from the North -East, we cannot Sir, In this Session of Parliament, you reach Delhi within two or three days' time. may remember that there was a communal Viswanath Pratap Singh ji visits his home 3- riot in my constituency. I waitedfortwodays. 4 times but its takes 3-4 days to perform one I have almost exhausted eight journeys. I Journey to one place. Therefore, the '~~not go by train. I am not going to see my provision o.f air journey. wife there. There are many problems in my constituency. If the problemsofthe Members [ Translation) of Parliament who come from the remote distant parts of the country are not [English) understood, a day will come when we unanimously ask that the Capital be shifted It is essential one. Otherwise there will to the middle of this country. We could not be discrimination against the people who are come to Delhi from Trivandrum, coming from the far-flung areas, like the ( Interruptions) North -Eastern States. I would like to request you and all other Members also, not to raise You must know that when Pakistan any objection to this very essential item. It attacked our borders, and when China can be done in the best interest of the MPs attacked us, it was the Keralits who stood for so that they can visit the constituencies, the whole of India. It is our Jawans who go . come back in time and attend to their work. and fight there. So, we are part of the country There is no extra benefit involved; there is no (~d every drop of our blood is that of India. transfer involved. There are big leaders who \le have certain problems. (Interruptions) have their PAs who can telephone and get 50 tickets free, without availing of this MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Thank you. provision. But, we are not having such a Mr. Chaliha. provision. I have to take advantage of the 91 Salary, Allowances and AUGUST 20, 1992 (Arneend.J BHI 92 Pension of M.Ps. legal provision that are being offered to us. [ Translation) I request you all and also the party leaders - in this case, the party leaders have got SHRI HARCHANDSINGH (Ropar): Mr. certain advantages which ordinary Members Deputy Speaker, Sir, six months have since do not have to see that this Bill is passed. elapsed I become an M.P and in these sri (interruptions) months I have not been allotted any quarters. They are talking of allowances_ I would like SHRI CHIRANJI lAl SHARMA ( to say that people who come to me eat food Karnai): Mr. Deputy Speaker, I rise to worth Rs. 200 and I have to pay the bill. support the Bill. Why? I was a Member of the Seventh lok Sabha, Eighth lok Sabha Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, people who Ninth Sabha and then in the Tenth lok have ceased to be members of Parliament Sabha. His just for your information. I wonder for about 10 years are still living in if I have ever availed of this facility. Government accommodations (Interruptions) Facts are facts and they must (Interruptions) Once I was a Minister in be faced. It has been rightly argued by my Punjab. After ceasing to be a Minister,4 learned brothers from distant places that air continued my stay for 10-15 days more in travel facilities are a must. An Indian Member Government accommodation. I had to pay of Parliament is the lowest paid in the whole rentforthose 10-15days. But here, no rent world. What are the facilities that have been is charged from those who have been provided to us? If we have to go to airport or occupying Govemment accommodations for we have to come from the airport, we have as many as 10 years. People who are neither to pay Rs. 100toataxi. Members, who come ministers nor even M.Ps and yet occupying from the North-East orfrom the South, have the Government bung allows should be asked to face difficulties. Only the wearer knows to vacate them and those who have been where the shoe pinches. Now the hon. occupying Government accommodation for Members are opposing them. let us face even for six months or for whatever period of hard realities. let us be practical. let us be time, should be asked to pay rent for that realistic in our approach in solving the . period. The Government is suffering huge problem. We should not oppose it just to play losses in this account. it to the gallery or to have the good wishes of the people so that our names appear in the On the one hand the Govemment claims Press. What will the members get because that deduction of Rs, 150 towards fee is on of this increase from 16 to 28 joumeys? The the higher side whereas on the other hand, question is nothing goes into the pockets of accomt1)odations'which could fetch a daily the Members. Unless a Member of rent of Rs, 500 are not being vacated. There Parliament, who has to wanderfrom pillar to is no one to make arrangement&.of quarters post, who has to go to the constituency, who for the M.Ps and none to get the houses has to meet the people, has these vacated. How wHl this Govemment run? opportunities, he cannot discharge his duties honestly and earnestly. I would therefore ( Interruptions) appeal in all humility to all Members without distinction of parties that this is a BiII- may be Mr. Gulam Nabi Azad always says that a burden of Rs. 1 crore orso - which will give we should be present in the House. We some facilities to the Members and nothing always remain present in the House, but to put into their pockets, there is no arrangementfor our way. I WOUld, therefore, like to request that some I WOUld, therefore, appealthat we should arrangement should be made in this regard • support this Bill. soon. 93 SalarY, AHowances and SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) (Amsend.) Bin PensIon of M.Ps. 94 SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA (South at a consensus~ It should not be so that here Delhi): Mr. Deputy, Sir. I have just had talks the Members just for the sake becoming with Shri Advanl (/nte"uptions) heroes outside the Parliament oppose It. I WOUld, therefore, like you suggest that if a Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir, when the issue consensus is possible. we should arrive at of increasing pay and allowances was ,.' , lit. If there Is no consensus, I would then like raised in the begining our leader gave his to suggest on behalf of the BJP and Shri total disagreement to it. Later, when all the Advani that we should try for reaching at a hon. Members and the leaders of aU the . consensus. We would have no objection parties pressurised. we agreed. There is a then. H should be decided tomorrow by proposal to raise the number of journeys postponing the session and taking consent from 16 to 28. The Members are however, of all the leaders. This is my submission. not to get any monetary benefit from it. The only facility it ensures is quick journey. This [English] Js being given. This is being given only 6ecause the members of the Committee SHRI E. AHAMED (Manjeri): Sir, the comprising all the parties have come to this leaders of the Opposition parties who oppose decision unanimously. It is. therefore, the Bill sh'ould give instructions to the imperative to pass this Bill also unanimously members belonging to their political parties and in a decent way. There are. however that if the House will pass this Bill into law, some members who just for the sake of then those Members should not avail of the taking political mileage out of this issue say facility in view olthe financial crisis. We have that keeping in view the economic crisis in been seeing all these things many a time. the country. it Is not good. Butthe members Why this hypocrisy? Many of the Members of those very parties are there in the have to face a lot of difficulties. Will the qommittee and they have passed it. This Members on that side disagree with this ;buble talk is not good. Some of the hon. view? Sir, I am a first timer in this House. But • Members have expressed the view that the I have experience in the Kerala Legislative Members belonging to Delhi do not need Assembly. Whenever we bring a Bill for that facility. Here, I would like you say that increasing the salary. my hon. colleagues in personally I donot wantthis facility. lam also ,the Opposition would definitely oppose it. against it; but the Members of South India But they never give up their claim. They are need it because they f ace problems. That is the first people to enjoy the benefit. If they why there is a need of consensus. But if are so fully conscious of the financial crisis some people are bent upon opposing it and in the country. let tham not claim the benefit. declaring it ultra vires, I would simply like to According to there view, this Bill should not ask them as to why did not they oppose in be passed. I say. even if this law is passed. the Committee. Some of the hon. Members let my hon colleagues sitting on that side, pointed out that this much amounts was declare that they will not claim the benefits, increased even during the Ninth Lok Sabha. But I know; they too want it. Pay and allowances were increased even during that period. Why was it increased Sir. we know our difficulties. To reach 1 ;t1en? Was there no crisis in the country Cannanore from here. it takes 54 hours of then? train journey. So. we reqUire five to seven day for travel itself. Our colleagues. who Iwould,therefore, like to say, Mr. Deputy have to cover very short distance do not Speaker, Sir, rising above party politics. we require so much time. Even otherwise, this should sit together to decide it and to arrive is a very limited Bill. I wish to submit that the 95 Salary, Allowances and AUGUST 20, 1992 (Amend.) Bill 96 Pension of M.Ps. hon. Ministershouldevenconsider increasing one thing more .• By Parliament we mean the daily allowances of the Members of this both Lok House. but not at this juhctiJre. Therefore. I. very sincerely support this Bill and I hope that the hon. Members sitting on that side Sabha and Rajya Sabha. There shoujtJ would also agree to pass this Bill unanimously. be equal facilities for the Members of both' the Houses. There Is, however, one [ Translation] difference. I have been a Member here since the Seventh Lok Sabha. Shrl Balram Jakhar SHRI MOHAMAD AU ASHRAF FATMI used to be the Speaker during the Seventh (Darbhanga): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. the and Eighth Lok Sabha. There was no need views that have been expressed before this of having photographs in the spouces card House. particularly by Shri V.P. Singh and during earlier Lok Sabhas, but It was Shri Nitish Kumar on behalf of our party are introduced during the Ninth lok Sabha. There not contradictory. Keeping in views the is no use of photographs in Rajya Sabha situation th rough which the country is passing even today. There should be similar rules fQl as also Keeping in view the economic crisis both lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha. prevailing in the country. the National Front expressed the view that the present time is not opportune forbringing forward such ct'Bill SHRI BHOGENDRAJHA (Madhubani): and that a we should wait for the monsoon Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. the Members have to come. expressed their views from their own angles and all the views contain some I would like to submit that hon. Members facts .... (lnterruptions) ... There is no are entitled to 16 single air journeys and suggestions regarding pension. allowances additional 6 journeys during the session and salary. They put the recommendations days. I". this way they avail almost 24 of the Committee in shelves and did not bring joumeys. As such the Bill that has been the same to the House 'ior introduced to day is very shameful. There discussion .... (lnterruptions) .... only the issue are at least SO-60 percent of Members who of airjoumey has been broughtfordiscussion, do not utilise their tickets fully. A message I know that none of the old Members of will go around the country that a time when Parliament from Bihar who receive pension the country is passing through economic from Lok Sabha are present here: In Bihar crisis, the Members of Parliament are taking the amount of pension is Rs. 1500 where as such a decision. I want to add one thing it is only Rs. 500 here .... (lnterruptions) I more. I submit on behaH of my party that the would like to submit that there should be a preset Bill should be withdrawn and a separate discussion on the comprehensive Bill incorporating provisions recommendations of the committee and at to extend various other facilities to M.Ps the same time there should a consideration should be introduced in place of the present in the House about what has been suggested one. by Shri Indrajit Gupta .... (/nterruptions) .... Even during my speech on Budget Jhad said o SHRI SYED MASUDAL HOSSAIN that opening five star hotels should Qe (Murshidabad): Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir. banned .•.. ( Interruptions) I have been sayin's the view of our party has elaborately been this thing since the fOijrth lok Sabha that presented by Shri Somnath Chatterjee. This there will be huge saving from this. I am Bill will have to be withdrawn because there opposed to the idea of including spouses and is no consensus. I would also like t9 remind not including cO!ll)anlon .•.• (tJtem.lptlons) 97 !j_aJarr. Allowances and SRAVANA 20.1914 (SAKA) (Amend.) BiN . PensIOn of M.Ps. 98 [English]. SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE (Dumdum): Sir, the issues are very Simple. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Let there be It is not necessary to spend more time on order In the House. Yes. Shrl Yalma Singh. this. No one here denies that if 16 is raised to 28 or whatever may be the number that adds tothefacilityfor Members of Parliament. SHRI YAIMA SINGH YUMNAM (Inner Manipur): Sir. I fully support this Bill ( Interruptions) Our colleagues from Kerala or Manipur or Assam, their movement would be MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have already facilitated, it the air joumeys are increased. requested you to maintain order inthe House. Here, there is no dispute at all. A question all ot you speak at one time. the Reporters If has been raised as to wtly is that our will not be able to take down whatever is representatives in the Committee had agreed spoken here. Secondly. if you go on talking to this. The answer is very simple. The across the Table. I think you will be doing Resolution or the deciSion of the Joint injustice. So, kindly oblige and see that the Committee on Members Salaries and Bill is passed. allowances is a statement of the need of the , Members of Parliament, but at the same SHRI YAIMA SINGH YUMNAM: Sir. I time, as all ot you have mentioned, including strongly, support this Bill because it has been the Govemment, that there is a very small brought forward in recognition of the services qualification. Everybody who wants this Bill rendered by the Members of Parliament. I to be passed also saTd at this juncture that come from a hilly region. I come from Imphal they are not pressing for the rest of the to Delhi for attending the Parliament Session. recomrr.endations of the Joint Committee on We have no other way exceptto come by air. Members Salaries and Allowances. Is that Because, if you want to travel by train, it will no so? There, in the Committee, all the take 4 or 5 days. Over and above, iNe have Parties were there. to travel at least sixteen times for coming to Delhi. Therefore, it is very much necessary. The point is that, as our Leader has indicated, there is absolutely no doubt that So, I support this Bill wholeheartedly. It there are difficulties which ought to be is not only in the interest of the Members of removed. The whole question is hinging on Parliament but also in the interest of the this. But, at this juncture, to what extent, we people that this Bill should be wi" be able to remove these difficulties that passed.( Interruptions) we have to see. The Govemment have considered that at this juncture, only air SHRI VIJAY NAVAL PATIL (Erandol): journeys should be increased and not other Mr. Deputy-Speaker. Sir, we have an elected allowances. it is our view .... (Interruptions) Committee of the Parliament. Their party had sent the representative to the Committee, I don't knQw whether by election or by a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE unanimous understanding. So, I should be MINISTRY OF SURFACE TRANSPORT given at least fifteen minutes to clarify the (SHRI JAG DISH TYTLER): That is the view position as to what had happened in the last of the Committee. seven meetings of the Committee. All the Members, including the Members from the SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: CPI (M) were present and they were as~ing That is not the Committee's view. You are me to resign when I was not able to dehver totally mistaken. the goods. When they say that I Shoul~ resign, in the Meetings, and here, th~1f Leaders are saying something else, that IS SHRIJAGDISH TYTLER: Your member very bad. So, I want to say something on was there in the Committee. He agreed to that. toat .(lnterruptions) 99 Salary. Allowances and AUGUST 20, 1992 (AIMfId.) BIll 100 Pension of M.Ps. SHRI NIRMAl KANTI CHATIERJEE: I journey Is proposed to Increase to 28. In that say that. case, if the spouse of an MP is already enjoying six air joumeysg they will not be SHRI JAGDISH TYTlER: Do you send separate; they will be Included in this; that members for individual views? means the actual increase in the air journey is not 12; the actual increase wiN be only six. SHAI NIAMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: This has happened because MPs have to No~ at all. The decision oftheJoint Committee come to attend sessions for voting, tor on Salaries and Allowances of Members of deliberating and also to go back to their Parliament is a statement of the needs of constituencies. So, they have to maintain Members of Parliament.(/nterruptions) their families at two places. So, a companion Whether or not that should be implemented does not necessarily mean a triend; it can at this given moment is a matter to be mean a son of five years, a son cit ten years. decided elsewhere. Therefore the " an MP has to come along with his family Govemment had said in their initial statement and his minor children to Delhi, he will have whether or not atthis juncture it is neclssary. to bring his son or daughter; that means he it is permissible to do that. (Interruptions) will have to adjust three or tour air journeys Our request at this juncture is that this may at one point. Because of the last ten years' be avoided; this should be avoided; and this political situation, this thing has happened. Bill need not be pressed for So, the companion includes the minor son. voting.( Interruptions) That should be understood. MA. DEPUTY SPEAKEA: Let us We passed a resolution three months maintain order in the House. earlier. I was told by all the Members present at that time that we were not able to deliver SHAI VIJAY NAVAL PATIL: the goods; this Committee should enmases. Unfortunately,l was not a Member of the last resign including the Chairman; and our Lok Sabha when Mr. V.P. Singh was the sentiments should be communicated to the Prime Minister. A Bill was passed increasing Minister of Parliamentary Affairs; and the numberof airjourneys and giving pension afterwards if he is not reacting, then we to Members who complete only one term. should individually write to every Member of ' (Interruptions) All those who are opposing it Parliament about this; that was deliberated here were sitting in the House at that time in the meeling. I was a silent spectator four also.( Interruptions) months ago. When my hon. friends say that it was a' need expressed by ,heir MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The normal representatives; it was not only a need procedu re to be adopted in the House is ifthe expressed, it was the need pressed by the speaker does not yield, no hon. Member has MPs by threatening to resign when we were got a right to speak, to interfere. Let us follow circulating the Bill. The proceedings of that 4 certain norms. This is not fair for any member meeting is on record. to get up at any time and say anything he likes. Secondly, Sir, again I tried to convene the meeting yesterday but the same thing SHRI VLJAY NAVAL PATIL: H that Bill happened. You can find out, we were present. would have become an Act - I want to know They told us yesterday, 'We are not able to from the hon. Members - whetherthey would deliver the goods, we are getting As. 3 per not have enjoyed that air journeys at that kilometre, Le. As. 39 from Delhi Airport to time. Delhi and we are paying Rs. 100. Sothe MPs are paying from their pocket, through their Secondly, what the Committee has nose. you should understand this as you are recommended for the last seven-eight the Chairman of the Committee, you are a months has been accepted by the member of the Auling Party and you are a Government; and that is air journey; the air senior member of the Auling Party. You 101 SaIatY. Allowances and SRAVANA20, 1914 (SAKA) (Amend.) SUI 102 PensIon of M.Ps. should understand this. People areclutching Committee, which was headed by Shri Patil our hands when we enter the Lobbies. The and represented by the Members of all MPs ask, what has happened. So that is political parties. including Janata Dal and the why, you should be able to deliverthe goods. leftists. You go to Shri Ghulam Nabi Azad. You are also member of the Executive Committee of In the past one year, they have the Congress Party in the Parliament, you approached me, as the Minister of tell the Prime Minister." Parliamentary Affairs. for more than half a dozen times. It was in this House, in the last These were the fellings. Yesterdayal!lo Budget Session that I discussed the Bill, the meeting was adjoumed and that is why which was passed by the previous we are to request the Hon. Minister to bring Government with all the political leaders. in a Bill today. It was because of this, we had to press the hon. Ministerto bring the Bill. He MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The word was not ready at all. 'Ex-President' used by Shri Nitish Kumar may be expunged. SHRI GHUlAM NABI AZAD: Han. Deputy Speaker Sir. I need not say much. SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: Let me You heard yourseH everybody. I think this is repeat it: "With all the political leaders". And for the first time that the leaders were on the what I have brought befo::;a the House today. one side and han. members on the this was unanimously accepted by all the other.(Interruptions) leaders -let me tell you-all the leaders, that, "Yes, we will not agree as far as the pension O.K. I am happy that you are by th_e side is concerned". Some of them agreed, some of your leaders. Let me inform this august did not agree, Some of them agreed with DA House that when we were not in power, a and TA, some did not. But as forthe increase sum. to the tune of Rs. 6 crores was passed inthEl numoorof air tickets, it was a unanimous in this House. abouttwo years back. for MPs. decision of all the leaders till yesterday in the form ofDA, T A, pension and everything. evening. Let me tell you. But it is unfortunate. At that time my party was not ruling. (Interruptions) Yes, I do not deny that On that basis, bacause I had discussed but it was not moved by my it with the han. Members and hon. leaders, Government.(lnterruptions) No, You must I had brought this Bill. It is not that I was very have the patience to listen also because, keen to bring this Bill. unfortunately you do not remember. The same Bill. after it was passed in this As I have already mentioned, the House, was sent to the President for assent. previousGovernmentproposedemoluments Forsome reasons. particularly. for a particular to the tune of Rs. 6 crores but I have brought reason, where in there was a mention, as far it down to Rs. 1.5 crores. I am very sad today pension to the hon. retired members was that some han. members and some leaders concerned. it was mentioned one year. The have differed with it. President did not agree to that. With the result ..... (lnterruptions) .... SHRI MANI SHANKAR AIYAR SHRI NITISH KUMAR: Now The (Mayiladuturai): I am on a point of order. I do president did not singn the Bill ...... not know how the Minister of Parliamentary ** (Interruptions) Affairs can refer to the leaders who change their mind from night to morning as SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: I do not honourable. . think, he has the double standards. When we came to power. I took the same Bill at the SHRI JAGDISH TVTLER: A very good instance of our hon. friends, who were in the point oi order . **Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 103 Re. Wit) ChaQda . AUGUST ?O, 1992 Re. WIn Chadda 104 SHRIGHULAM NABII\ZAO:Some may search and arrest warrants against him have differ. I might add that Shri La! K Advani had been revoked. stuck to the promise, because most of the people do not stick to what they say. How can An iritimation was received on May 5, I agree with them? I do not faUlnto the trap 1992 from the Indian Ambassador In of sqme leaders, that they would like to say Switzerland to the effElCl that W.N. Chadha something with me In private and something hasbeengrantedapermittostayin~nzel else on the floor of the House for the sake of Iner-Rl'loden Canton of SWitzerland. It was publicity. Hencefoiward I will not press for also reported that W.N. Chadh~' had this Bill unless it is a unanimous request, representeg to the Swiss Govemme!ll t~at unless they speak in one language in private he should be given an identity document and also on the floor of the House. which may enable him to travel abroad. On receipt of this communication, DirElClor, CBI Therefore, I will not pressforthis Bill. let wrote to the Indian Ambassador In them decide, whenever they Switzerland explaining that W.N. Chadha . decide.(/nterruptions) The debate may be who is an accused in this case is required for adjourned for the next session. the purpose of interrogation and investigation in the bofors case and that if his request for (Interruptions) issue of an identity card is acceded by the Swiss Government, it may create difficulty for us for securing his presence in the court MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shrimati to face trial in India. It was also explained that Margaret Alva. W.N. ch~dha has used his revoked passp.ort for travelling to Switzerland which he was not . authorised to do. The Indian Amba~ador was requested to bring all these facts 13.43 hrs. concerning W.N. Chadh,a's requirement 'in India to the notice of the concerned Swiss RE. SHRI WIN CHADH." authorities through a Note Verbale. On May 21st, 1992, the Indian Ambassador sent a [EngliSh] Note Verbale to the Federal Department of Justice and Police, Berne for their THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE consideration. I have all the documents with MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC me. GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRIMATI MARGARET ALVA): A number of hon. It is not correct to say that any message Members had yesterday raised some or indication has been given to the !nterpol questions about a news report which had authorities that Indian Government is not appeared in the Indian Express. I am just interested in pursuing W.N. Chadha's case. placing a few facts before the House, clarHying . A 'Red Corner Notice' -I would like,the date what has been raised yesterday, as desired pleas~ to be noted at this state - was issued by the Members.(Interruptions) by Interpol Headquarters in April, 11;)90 on the basis of a non-bailable warrant 01 arrest I would like to clarify some of the points issued by the Speci~1 Judge, Delhi on March if the Members permit me. 14, 1990. However, in a Criminal Misc. petnion filedbyW.N. ChadhainJune. 1990-lrepeat A news item has appeared in the Indian June 1990 - on an assurance given by the Express dated August 19, 1992 under the then ASG, tha~ is Additional Solicitor General, title, ·Chadha granted Swiss Stay permit". It that arrest warrant will not be is alleged that the Swiss Government had . renewed .. (/nterruptions) received a message from Interpol that the Indian i2::.!vernment is no longer pursuing SHRI RAMESH CHENNITHALA W.N. Chadha and that the international (Kottayam): Madam, I would like to know 105 Re. WIn Chadds SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) Re: Will Chadda 106 • who was the ASG atthattime. Please tellthe [English) name of ASG... (lnterruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. George SHRIMATI MARGARET ALVA: The Fernandes, if you feel that the hon. Minister ASG at that time was Shri ANn Jaltley. Sir, · has misled the House, there is a regular I want to clarify the position. However, in a · procedure and you can proceed according to Criminal Misc. petition filed byW.N. Chadha the rules. This Is not the proper time. in June, 1990 on an assurance given by the then ASG that arrest warrant will not be ( Interruptions) renewed, the Delhi High Court ordered on November 13, 1990 that the warrant of arrest against W.N. Chadha will not be issued. [ Translation) Since no warrant of arrest against W.N. Chadha wasalive thereafter, a 'Blue COmer SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: What Notice' for locating W.N. Chadha was Issued type of Special Leave Petition has been filed by the Interpol Headquarters -I would clarify . and against which Judgment.. that the Red Comer Notice is for arrest and production while the Blue Comer Notice is for [English) locating the person concerned, his whereabouts - in December, 1991 on the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I will call the request of CBI, which replaced the Red Surface and Transport Minister. Comer Notic~ Issued earlier, and the Blue Comer Notice is still valid. ( Interruptions) The CBI has also filed a Special Leave , Petition in the Supreme Court of India on SHRIMATI MARGARET ALVA: Sir, Shri June 11, 1992, against the order of Deihl George Fernandes wants to know against High Court setting aside the order of Special which JUdgment a special leave petition has Judge, Delhi for issurance of warrant of been filed. I have got the information. A arrest against W.N. Chadha. · special leave petition number 1637192 has been filed in·the supreme Court against the Therefore, Sir, I would like to say that decision dated 10.3.92 of the Delhi High this assurance that the warrant was not Court in the "*cellaneous petition no. 1318. being re-issued was given in 1990 and not by me in 1992.(lnterruptions} [ Translation) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No clarifications are allowed. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: When was this pe~ition filed? ( Interruptions) SHRIMATI MARGARET ALVA: InJune. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: When clarifictions, Please the Judgment has been delivered during the month of March then why did you wait for it (Interruptions) till June. [ Translation] [English] SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES (Muzaffarpur): Where should we raise our SHRIMATI MARGARET ALVA: You voice if the House is misled in such a manner have three months' time to file : Interruptions) it.( Interruptions) 107 Re. Win Chadda AUGUST 20, 1992 Salary, Allowances and 108 Pension of M.Ps. (Amend.) Bill [English) Ragarajan Kumaramangalam-fo mOve the· motion for adjourning the debate on the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Salary. Allowances and Pension of Menilers MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS of Parliament (Amendment) Bill AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (DEPARTMENT OF . 13.53 hrs.. ELECTRONICS AND DEPARTMENT OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT) (SHRI SALARY, ALLOWANCES AND PENSION RANGARAJAN KUMARAMANGALAM): For OF MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT a special leave, you need a certified copy. (AMENDMENT) BILL CONTD. You get it and file it. The assurance of not renewing the warrant order was given in your Motion for Adjourning the Debate. Govemment's time when you were the Minister. [English] , [Translation] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: The AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Government has informed the Swiss . MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND Government through a notice that there is no TECHNOLOGY (DEPARTMENT OF case of the Government of India is pending ELECTRONICS AND DEPARTMENT OF against anybody OCEAN DEVELOPMENT) SHRI RANGARAJANKUMARAMANGALAM):Sir, [English] I move: SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARA "Thatthe debate on the Bill further MANGALAM: What were you doing? to amend the Salary, Allowances and Pension of Members of MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I say this ·Parliament Act, 1954, be subject is closed and we go to the next item. adjoumed till the next Session·. Hon. Surface and Transport Minister. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question ( Inteffuptions) is: MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have already told that this subject is closed. "That the debate on the Bill further to amend the Salary, Allownces [ Trans/ation] and Pension of Members of Parliament Act, 1954, be adjoumed SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: The till the next Session" question in whether the Government has told to Swiss Government or not on 15 Nov. The motion was adopted How Janata Dal Government is involved in this issue. the same tactics is still being adopted in Delhi High Court. The Janata Dal MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The debate is Government has no concern with your Bofors adjoumed for the next session. scandal. SHRI ANANTRAO DESHMUKH [English] (Washim): Sir, I am on a point of order. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: That subject MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I reauestShrl is over and there is no Doint of order now. 109 NalionalHighwaY$ SRAVANA20, 1914(SAKAJ (Amend.JBiH 110 SHRr GUMA~J -MAL--(dOHA(Pall): asking for the new NationalHighways • • Would the hon. Minister explain when the revoked passport was used by Shrl Win The working Group on the Roads forthe Chadha for running out of India and whether Eighty Five-Year Plan, which was set up by a case has been registered, if so, against the Planning CommisSion, had looked into whom and on what date? . the requirements for the improvement oftha National Highways. The Group estimated The intimation dated 15 November, 1991 that the National Highways.(lnterruptions) had been sent to Switzer1and from India and that being so whether the CBI sent this MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I am sorry, intimation .•. there Is some mistake. Shri Prataprao Bhonsle was on his legs and he had not MR. DEPUTYSPEAKER:JustlceLodha, conclud9d his speech. if the statement is made by the hon. Minister, is it open for clarification? Suppose, if the ( Interruptions) House is misled, underthe rules of procedure you have got a provision and you can make [ Ttanslation] use of it., Now, I call Minister of Surface Transport. SHRI TEJSINGHRAO BHONSlE (Ramtek): I would like to thank the hon. SHRI GUMAN MAL LADHA: Sir, today Minister for bringing this Bill. is the last day of the Session. [English) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Because today happens to be the last day, can we But I give up my right. violate the rules and disregard the traditions and customs of this House? This subject is SHRIJAGDISHTYTLER:Sir, the Group closed now. Now, the hon. MinisterforSurface had estimated that the (Interruptions) Transport may speak. [ Ttanslation] 13.55 hrs. SHRI DAU DAYAL JOSHI (Kota): Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir the Hon. Minister has NATIONAL HIGHWA'tS(AMENDMENT) started delivering his speech but we have not BILL-CON1D. been given chance to speak ... ( Interruptions) [English) [English) THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER: Sir, the MINISTRY OF SURFACE TRANS~RT Working Group had estimated that the (SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER): Sir,let me thank improvement of the National Highways will the Members who took part in the debate cost Rs. 8,300 crores and there will be a yesterday on the National Highways saving of Rs. 1,500 crores In the vehicle (Amendment) Bill. I want to thank the operating cost. Apart from th is, the improved Members because they have given some network will encourage movement of multi very good suggestions. I could see that each axle vehicles on the National High Ways and Member who spoks 'and who has been this would also give a saving of about Rs. 800 speaking in the Lok Sabha as well as In the crores. Thus, a total of Rs. 2,300 crores Is Rajya Sabha, has been wanting new National expected to be saved by this investment Highways and complaining about the roads However, the Planing Commission has not being in good condition. so many people approved only Rs. 2,600 crores, out of which have been wanting new National Highways. the on-going schemes will ccst me about As. The Chief Ministers have been writing to us 2,500 crores and hardly have any money for 111 National Highways AUGUST 20, 1992 . (Amend.) Bm 112 the new projects. I just like to inform the hon. people do not travel only by cars ortrucks.ln Members that if I were to implement all the this country, a number of people earn their projects today, I require Rs. 41,000 crores, livilihoodthrough several other means i.e. by out of which I am getting not even Rs. 100 running. small shops called khomcha and crores, a little less than Rs. 100 crores. With selUng goods etc. if this Bill is passed, It will this amount, I cannot do what I am expected confer a right on the Govemment to impose to do •.. (lnteffuptions) I will finish It earlier, tax on them also. Therefore, I would like to Sir. . ask as to what provisions have been made In this Bill in respect of the persons leading a life All the Members had raised certain below poverty line. Some persons are querries and I think once I bring this engaged in business and some others earn amendment to this Act, I would have some their livilihood through vending etc.WiII the extra money and I think that would also go in Govemment give themexemplion from taxes for the improvement of the roads. or not? As per the existing provisions of this Bill which you have passed, they will not get Since everybody is in a hurry and most nay exemption from the tax burden. of the Opposition Members who raised these Therefore, the hon. Minister should also pay ,points are asking me to hurry it up, I attention to it.(lnteffuptions) recommend that the Bill be passed. SHRI ANANTRO DESHMUKH: Sir, I [English1 want to seek two clarifications from the Minister because yesterday I have sp9ken SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER: Let me on them. One is that I had asked the Minister answer. Probably I will be able to answer. specifically what would happen to the amount that would be collected by the enactment of I would like to inform the hon. Member this legislation, whether it would form part of who has raised this question that there was the Central Road Fund of that particular a resolution in 1988 by both the Houses that State and would be utilised for maintenance the 5 per cent cess on petrol and diesel and undertaking of the new national Highways should be put. What we are charging today in the particular State. is a cess which was put in 1929. We hardly collect about Rs. 15 crores in the whole The second clarification I want to seek country out of which I get Rs. 9-10 crores is what has happened to the Resolution which I have to spend for Central Road Fund which had been taken up in this House on programmes all over the country. That is not 13th May, 1988 regarding the enhancement enough. ofthe percentage from 3.5. per cent to 5 per cent of the basic cost on the petrol and diesel, which the State Governments were to Therefore, we had gone to the Cabinet get in the form of new roads to be undertaken. recently: that the resolution which was passsed by both the Houses should be I would like to have clarification on these implemented. I would like to say that the hon. • two points. Prime Minister had recommended that a group of Ministers would sit and come back 14.00 hrs. with a recommendation, quickly, so that something could be done. But out of the [Translation1 . money so collected also, majority of the money will be going to the State SHRI TEJ NARY AN SINGH (Buxar): Governments. Some money will be with the Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to ask Central Government. the han. Minister a question with reference to his speech proposing increase in taxes. I SHRI lOKANATH CHOUDHURY would like to tell him that in this country (Jagatsinghpur): Will it be retrospective? 113 NationaJHighways SRAVANA20, 1914 (SAKA) (Amend.)8iH 114 .SHRI jAoGISH TYTLER: let us see. of accidents occur there. There should be a But I do not think so. Where Is the money? time bound programme for all these works . and the c'onstruction work should be I would like to inform the hon. Members completed within astipulatedperiodalongwith that not specific identification has been done. the prescribed specifications. And National This will be done after consultations with the Highways should be constructed according State Governments and then only we will to their importance with properly investing all decide what is to be charged and what Is not the funds in them. At so many places, the to be charged. But these charges will be for National Highways are in worse condition the extra facilities which will be provided - than the State highways. The Government like roadside facilities, tow-Ianing or four should also pay attention to it. laning of the roads or re-surfacing which would be new also. This is not about the I want to submit one more thing that the present National Highways. I think we are drivers are killed on the National Highways; not going to tax the poor people at all. You Hshould also be kept in mind and the security may please be rest assured. This will be on arrangements should be made. At the time the petrol and diesel vehicles which are on . of the accidents the traffic jam is there. the road and this will also be on those who will Arrangements should be made for providing be Inveting the facilities.(lnterruptions) mobile cranes to remove the vehicles and there should also be the arrangements of the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There is an mobile dispensaries to provide immediate amendment by Shri Rasa Singh Rawat. Are medical aid to the injured people and victims you moving it? of the accidents. If the Central Government is going to increase the toll tax by making [ Translation) more octroi Posts then its benefit should also reach to the people. My suggestions should PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT (Ajmer): betaken sedously and the National Highways I beg to move: . should be developed. I take back my amendment.( Interruptions) "That the Bill be circulated forthe purpose of eliciting opinion SHRI JAGDISH TYTlER: The issue thereon by 30th October, 1992". raised by the hon. member was also raised by Shrimati Sumitra Mahajan yesterday that Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to the roads are not constructed in time and the take two minutes only. I would like to say that corruption is rampant. In this regard I want to the existing condHion ofthe National Highways submit that the Central Government is very pitiable. The Central Govt. Spends sanctions the amount and the work of calling , the whole of amount on it through the State the tenders and quality control are done by Governments. But you have no proper control the State Governments. We have already over the Engineers who are directly under written to the hon. Chief ministers and we will the employment of the State Govts. As a write in future also that if they will not do this result construction takes under long time . work properly then the Central Government and meanwhile the material goes waste. will take over it. The Central Govemment will Recently, I had gone to my village which is get the roads constructed under its located at a distance of about 5 Kms away supervision but till date this work is being from the National Highway NO.8. The whole done by the State Goverr1ments so we do not of this highway between Ajmer to Udaipur want to touch It, the Central Government and adjacenttoJaipurisentirely in a miserable does not want to take this burden. If the condition. Since the construction work has money is not utilised properly, if the started, one or the other work on it Is going contractors do not do their work properly and on. Sometimes small bridges are constructed; if the quality control is not maintained then a some time levelling is done. Sometimes day will come when the Central Govemment bases are elevated. As a result of it a number . will have to take overthe work of construction 115 National Highways 'AUGUST 20, 1992 (Amend.) SI8 116 of roads.(lnteffuptions) Iwould like to make one more submission that a lime limit should be fixed to do away [EngHsh] wnh the collection of loll tax at the posts set up for the same. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please excuse me. We are virtually violating the [English} existing rules. Whenever an amendment is moved, the Member who moved the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Joshgf,pIease amendment, whether he presses or otherwise excuse me. I have to run the House8CCOl'dlng is the real stage. We have crossed the stage to Rules. You cannot speak whenever you of asking for clarifications and other things. like. the question Is: Are you pressing your let us follow the procedure scrupulously. amendment? n you want to press the amendment, say 'Yes' and if you do not PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT: J seek wanl, say 'No'. ThaI Is all you have to say. leave of the House to withdraw my there is no chance for you to explain. amendment. [ Translation] MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Is it the pleasure of the House that the amendment SHRI DAU DAYAL JOSHI: , withdraw moved by Prof. Rasa Singh Aawat be my amendment notice on the Bill. withdrawn? [English] SOME HaN. MEMBERS: Yes, Yes. Amendment No.2 was, by leave. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Is it the withdrawn pleasure of the House that the amendment moved by Shri Dau DayalJoshibewithdrawn? MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now, I call . Mr. Dau Dayal Joshi. Are you pressing your SOME HaN. MEMBERS: Yes, Yes. amendment No. 41 Amendment No.4 was, by leave, [ Translation] withdrawn SHRI DAU DAYAL JOSHI (Kola): Mr. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The Question Depuly Speaker, Sir, roads, waler and is: medical facililies are the State subjects. The responSibilities of those things, which are "That the Bill further to amend utilised by the people, should carried out the National Highways Act, 1956, prope rly. (Interruptions) be taken into consideration.- [English] The motion was adopted MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Ayub Khan, This is nolthe procedure to be adopted MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House in this House. The Minister should answer. will now take up Clause-by-Clause consideration of the Bill. [ Translation] The question is: SHRI DAU DA YAlJOSHI: I have moved the amendment on the Bill to elicit public "That Clauses 2 and 3 stand part opinion thereon by the Government in the Of the BiII.- matter of roads which is commonly used by the people. The motion was adopted 117 National Highways SRAVANA20, 1914 (SAKA) Papers Laid 118 (Amend.) Bill . c._- ___ . Clau·ses 2 and 3 were added to the Bill. been getting enough funds. If I were to get the totaf money I require for the proposals MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question which the Chief Ministers have sent, Itwould be something over RI. 41.000 crores, but t . havegotonlyRs,2,600crol'8Sandoutofthat "That clause " the E~acting the on-gomg proJedl wUl cost me about AI. Formula andthe Long TItle stand 2,500 crores. That means, I have onlyRs. 60 part of the Bilr to Rs. 70 cror8S.to spend In the whole year on the roads. That is why, when the hon. The motion was adopted Mernberfrom this side had mentioned about the Resolution passed by the House, 1said Clause 1. the Enacting Formula and that the Cabillet is considering it .1 am happy the Long Title were added to the Bill. to say that the Prime Minister has consituted a committee with the Ananee Minister, myself SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER: Sir, I beg to and one or two other Ministers to come out move: with what possibly we could do? Only after then, I would come to the House. Also out of "That the Bill be passed .. the money so collected. more than 60 per . . cent-about 65 percent will go back to the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Motion States because major portion of the road moved: network is under the State Govemments. "That the Bill be passed.' MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question is: DR. ASIM BALA (Nabadwip): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the accidents are increasing "That the Bill be passed". day-by-day on the National Highways and the vehicles are also Increasing manifold, The motion was adopted but the length of the National Highways tremains the same. The single lane sections SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA (Bankura): should be made double lane carriage way. what about Zero Houre? then. now-a-days, the road construction is decreasing. The share in the Plan also has MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We will have declined from 1.4 per cent in the First Five it. Do not worry. let us take up Papers to be Year Plan to 0.7 percent in the Seventh Five laid on the Table. shri Vidyacharan Shukla. Year Plan. Moreover, the Minister is going to impose a tax in this Bill which will affect the lower categories of people like rickshaw 14.16 hrs. pullers. auto-rickshaw drivers and those who carry heavy loads in horse carts and bullock PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE carts. So. if there is some restriction on the tax imposed for these categories of people. Statement Correcting reply to it would help them. So, I would request the unstarred. No. 1726 dated 20th July, Government to take this step so that the 1992 re: reservoir shemes submitted lower Income groups are helped. by States end the reason for delay In correcting the reply. SHR~ JAGDISH TYTLER: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. it is true that the National [English) Highways constitute only 2 per cent of the total road network in the country. The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE accidents do take place forvarious reasons. MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS because 15 percent of the National Highways AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE is single lane carriage way. We have not MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND 119 Papers Laid AUGUST 20, 1992 Papers LaId 120 TECHNOLOGY (DEPARTMENT OF above. ELECTRONICS AND DEPARTMENT OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT) (SHRI [Placed In Library. See No L. T 2605192] RANGARAJANKUMARAMANGALAM):On behaH of Shri Vidyacharan Shukla, I beg to Memorandum of understanding . lay on the Table a statement (Hindi and between the Central Warehousing ; English versions) (i) correcting the reply Corporation Ltd•. and the Ministry of given on the 20th July. 1992 to Unstarred Food for 1992-93 etc. question No. 1726 by s/Shri Lal Babu Rai and Sudhir Saw ant. M.Ps regarding reservoir [English] schemes submitted by States; and (ii) the reasons for delay in correcting the reply. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS [Placed in Library. See No. L.T. 26041 AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 92] MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (DEPARTMENT OF Annual report and Annual accounts ELECTRONICS AND DEPARTMENT OF of and review on the working of . OCEAN DEVELOPMENT) (SHRt Central silk Board, Bangalore for RANGARAJAN KUMARAMANGALAM):On 1990-91 etc. behaH of Shri Tarun Gogoi.1 beg to lay onthe Table a copy each of the following papers [ Translation] (Hindi and English versions);- .THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (1) . Memorandum of Understanding MINISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI ASHOK between the Food Corporation GEHLOT) I beg to lay on the Table- of India and the Ministry of Food !or the year 1992-93. (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) [Pleased in Library. See No. L.T. of the Central Silk Board. 2606/92] Bangalore .. forthe year 1990- 91 under section 12 (Al of the (2) Momorandum of Understanding Central Silk Board Act, 1948 between the Central Warhousing Corporation Limited and the (ii) AcopyoftheAnnualAccounts Ministry of Food for the year (Hindi and English versions) 1992-92 of the Central Silk Board, Bangalore, forthe year 1990- [Pleased in Library. See No L.T. 91 together with Audit Report 2607192] thereon under sUb-section (4) of section 12 of the Central Review on the working of the Annual Silk Board Act, 1948. Report of Hooghly Dock and part Engineers Limited, Calcutta. for 1990- (iii) A copy of the Review (Hindi .. 91 etc. and English versions) by the GovermelJl on the working of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Central Silk Board. MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS Bangalore. forthe year 1990- AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 91. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND- TECHNOLOGY (DEPARTMENT OF (2) A statement (Hindi and English ELECTRONICS AND DEPARTMENT OF versions) showing reasons for delay OCEAN . DEVELOPMENT) (SHRI in laying the papers mentioned at (1 ) RANGARAJAN KUMARAMANGALAM):On 121 Papers Laid SRAVANA 20, 1-914 (SAKAJ' Papers Laid 122 behaH of Shrl Tagdish Tytler, I beg to lay on Accounts .. the Table:- (il) A copy of the Review (HindI (1 ) A copy each of the following and English versions)by the papers (Hindi and English Govemment on the working versions) under sub-section (1) of the Super eazar. the of section 619A of the Cooperative Store Limited. Companies Act, 1956:- New Delhi. for the year 1990- 91 (i) Review by the Government onthe working of the Hooghly (2) A statement (Hindi and English DOCK and Port Engineers versions) showing reasons fordelay LImited, Calcutta, forthe year in laying the papers mentioned at (1) 1990-91. above. (ii) Annual report of the Hooghly (Placed in Library. See no L. T 26091 Dock and Port Engineers 92) limited Calcutta, for the year 1990-91 along with Audited Review on the workIng and Annual Accounts and comments of Report of Pawan Hans Limited, New the Comptroller and Auditor Deihl for 1990-91 etc. General thereon. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (2) A statement (Hindi and English MINI~TRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS versions) showing reasons fordelay AND MINISTER OF STATE IN'THE in laying the papers mentioned at MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND (1) above. TECHNOLOGY (DEPARTMENT OF ELECTRONICS AND DEPARTMENT OF [Placed in Library. See No LT26081 . OCEAN DEVelOPMENT) (SHRI 92] .. . RANGARAJANKUMARAMANGALAM):On behaH of Shri M.O.H. Farook I beg to lay on Annual Report and Review on the the Table:-. working of Super Bazar, the Cooperative Store Limited, New Deihl (1) A copy of the following papers for 1990-91 etc_ (Hindi and English versions) under SUb-section (1) of section THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 619A of the Companies Act, MINISTRYOF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS 1556:- AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE A~D (i) Statement regarding Review TECHNOLOGY (DEPARTMENT OF by the Government on the ELECTRONICS AND DEPARTMENT OF working 01 the Pawan Hans OCEAN DEVELOPMENT) (SHRI limited, New Delhi,' for the , RANGARAJAN KUMARAMANGALAM): On year 1990-91. behaH of Shri Kamaluddin Ahmed, I beg to lay on the Table:- (ii) Annual Report of the Pawan Hans Limited. New Delh~ for (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report the year 1990-81 along with (Hindi and English versiOns) ~udit.d Accounts and of the Super Bazar, the CommenIIoIlheComptroller Cooperative Store Limited, ondAudilorGBneralthereon. New,Delhi,fortheyear1990- 91 along with Audited (2) A atalem8nt (Hindl and English 123 Papers Laid AUGUST 20, 1992 PIJpsts LtIkI 124 [Sh. Rangarajan Kumar Mangalam) (5) above. versions) showing reasons fordelay (7) (i) A copy of the Annual Report In laying the papers mentioned at {Hindi and/Engllsh versions) cI (1) above. the National Airports Auth2 for the year 1988-89 along h [placed In Library. SeeNo L. T261 01 Audited Accounts under sub- ' 92] section (4) of section 24 and section 25 ofthe NatlonalAirports (3) A copy of the National Airports Authority Ad, 1985 Authority (Gratuity) Regulations, 1992 (Hindi and English versions) (ii) A Statement (HIndi and English published In Notification No. See. versions) regarding Review by 9.2.8 in Gazette of India dated the the Govemment on the wolking 8th May, 1992 under section 40 of of the National Airports Authority the National Airports Authority Act, for the year 1988-89. 1985. (8) A statement (Hindi and EngiL'Sh [placed in Library. SeeNo L. T26111 versions) showing reasonsfordelay 92] inlaying the papers mentioned at (7) above.[Please In Libn(ry. See. (4) A copy of the International Airports No. L.T.. 2614192] Authority of India Employees (conduct, Discipline and Appeal) (9) (i) A copy ofthe Annual Report (Hindi Amendment Regulations, 1992 and English versions) of Indira (Hindi and English versions) Gandhi Rashtriya Uran Akademl published in Notification No. PersJ for the year 1985-86 along with SCJ13n3-VoIIV (Pt) in Gazette of Audited Accounts. India dated the 18th May, 1992 together with an explanatory note (ii) A statement (Hindi and English under sUb-section (4) of a section versions) regarding Review by th .. 37 of the Intemational Airports Government on the working ofthe Authority Act, 1971. Indira Gandhi Rashtriya Uran Akademi for the year 1986-87 [Placed In Library. SeeNo L. T26, 21 92] (10) A statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for delay (5) A copy of the Air India Employees' in laying the papers mentions at (9) Service (Amendment) Regulations, above. 1992 (Hindi and English versions) published In Notification No. HOI [Please in Library. See. No. L.T. 65-1 in Gazette of India dated the 2615192] 14th March, 1992 together with an explanatory note under SUb-section . (11) (i) A copy oftha Annual Report (Hindi (4) of section 45 of the Air and English versions) ofthe Indira Corporations Act, 1953. Gandhi Rashtriya Uran Akademi for the year 1986-87 along with (Placed in Library. SeeNoL.T26131 Audited Accounts. 92) (i1) A statement (Hindi and English (6) A Statement (Hindi and English . versions) regardingRev~wbrthe versions) showing reasons fordelay Government onthlworkklgallhe in laying the papers mentioned at Indira Gandhi 8IIht1iV. Uran 125 Papers LaId SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) Papers Laid 126 Akademl for the year 1986-87) 2618192] (12) A state~nt (Hindi and English Notifications under Customs Act. Versions) showing reasons for 1962 and ~ntral excise and salt Act. delay In laying the papers 1944 mentioned at (11) above. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI [placed in library. See. No. L.T. SHANTARAM POTDUKHE): On behalf of 2616/92] Shri Rameshwar Thakur, I beg to lay on the Tabie:- (13) (i) A copy ofthe Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) ofthe Indira (1) A copy each of the fOllowing Gandhi Rashtrlya Uran Akademi Notifications (Hindi and English for the year 1987-88 aiong with verSions) under section 159 of the Audited Accounts. Customs Act, 1962:- (i) G.S.R. 610 (E) published in (ii) A statment (Hindi and English Gazette of India dated the 19th versions) regarding Review by the June, 1992 together with an Government on the working ofthe explanatory memorandum Indira Gandhi Rashtriya Uran prescribing a concessional rate of Akademl, for the year 1987-88. basic customs duty of 35 per cent ad valorem on specified (14) A statement (Hindi and English intermediates imported for the versions) showing reasons fordeiay manufacture of bulk drugs subject certain conditions. In laying the pepers mentioned at (13) above. (ii) O.S.R. 611 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the 19th [please in library. See. No. L.T. June, 1992 together with an 2617192] explanatory memorandum prescribing a concessional rate of (15) (i) A copy ofthe Annual Report (Hindi basic customs duty of 35 per cent and English versions) of the Indira advalorem on specHied bulk drugs Gandhi Rashtrlya Uran Akademi (iii)" G.S.R. 612 (E) published in for the year 1988-89 along with Gazette of India dated the 19th Audited Accounts. J~ne, 1992 together with an explanatory memorandum (ii) A statement (Hindi and English seeking to reduce the basiC versions) regading Review by the customs duty on specified Government on the working of the intermiates from 50 per cent ad Indira Gandhi Rashtriya Uran valorem. Akademl, for the year 1988-89. (iv) G.S.R. 613 (E) published in (16) A statement (Hindi and English . Gazette of India dated the 19th versions) showing reasons fordelay June, 1992 together with an in laying the pepers mentioned at explanatory memorandum (13) above. seeking to reduce the basis customs duty on homoeopathic (placed In Library. See. No. L.T. medicines from 20 per cent ad 127Papers Laid AUGUST 20. 1992 P~Laid 128 [Sh. Shantaram Potdukhe] concessional,f8te of 40 percent basic customs duty on components imported for the valo~mto 1o percent advalo~m. manufadure of fuel efficient cross country motor vehicles. '(v) G.S.R. 614 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the 19th (x) G.S.R. 619 eE) published I~ , - June, 1992 together with an Gazette of India dated the '19tl'l explanatory memorandum June, '992 together with an regarding exemption to television explanatory memorandum . sets ii11>orted into India from the seeking to prescnbe a concessinal whole of the additional duty of rate of 40 per cent basic customs customs leviable thereon under duty on goods (other then raw section 44 (1) of the Finance Act. materials) imported for the 1985. manufacture of certain speCified components of fuel efficient motor (vi) G.S.R. 615 (E) published in cars. Gazette of India dated the 19th .June, 1992 together with an (xl) G.S.R. 620 (E) published In explanatory memorandum Gazette of India dated the '9th seeking to rescind Notification No. June, 1992 together with an 831S5-Cus, dated the 17th March. explanatory memorandum 1985. seeking to prescribe a concessional rate of 40 per cent (vii) G.S.R. 616 (E) published in basic customs duty on goods Gazette of India dated the '9th (other than raw materials) June, 1992 together with an imported for the manufacture of explanatory memorandum certain specified components of seeking to prescribe a fuel efficient cross country motor concessional rate of 40 percent vehicles. ~ baSic 'customs duty on components imported for the (xii) G.S.R. 621 (E) published "in manufacture of fuel efficient motor Gazette of India dated the 19th cars of engine capacity exceeding Jl,lne, 1992 together with' an 1000cc. explan.atory memorandum seeking to prescribe a (viii) G.S.R. 617 (E) published in concessional rate of 30 percent Gazette of India dated the 19th auxiliary duty of customs on items June, 1992 together with an covered by notification Nos. 2211 explanatory memorandum 92-Cus to 225192-Cus .• dated the seeking to prescribe a 19th June, 1992. concession~1 rate of 40 per cent basic customs duty on (xiii) G.S.R. 687 (E) published in components imported for the Gazette of India dated the 19th manufacture of fuel officient motor June, 1992 together with an cars of engine capacity not explanatory memorandum exceeding 100Occ. making certain amendments to Notification No. 2041 92-Cus., (ix) G.S.R. 618 (E) published in dated the 19th may, 1992. Gazette of India dated the 19th ' June, 1992 together with an (xiv) G.S.R. 706 (E) pl.!blished in explanatory memorandum Gazette of 'nc~ia dated the 31st see,kin.g to prescribe a July, 1992 together with an 129 Papers Laid SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) Papers Laid 130 explanatory memorandum 1992 together with an explanatory making certain amendments to memorandum seeking to fully certain notifications mentioned In exempt irom exc;lse duty tows of the NotifICation so as to inter alia polyester consumed within the fullyexefll)t lohexollnjeclion and factory of production In the three specified bulk drugs from rT)anufacture of polyester staple the Customs duty. libre. [Placed in library See No. l.T- (vi)" G.~.R. 677 (E) publiShed In 2619192] Gazette of India dated the 14th July, 1992 together with an (2) A copy each of the following explanatory memorandum Notifications (Hindi and English making certain amendments to versions) under SUb-section (2) of Notification No. 178183-CE, dated section 38 of the Central Excises the 1st July 1983. and Salt Act. 1944:- [Placed in Library. See No. L. T. (i) G.S.R. 606 (E) published in 2620192] . Gazette of India dated the 151th June. 1992 together with an (3) A copy olthe Income-Tax (Eleventh explanatory memorandum Amendment) Rues, 1992 (Hindi and regarding exemption to Eng!ish versions) published in alltelevision sets manufactured in Notific;:ation No. S.O. 386 (E) in India from the whole of the Gazette of India dated the 29th may, additional duty of excise leviable 1992 under section 296 of the thereon. Income-tax Act, 1961.[Placed in Library. See No. L. T. 2621/92] (ii) G.S.R. 607 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the 19th June, 1992 together with an Annual Report and Review on the . explanatory memorandum working of National Institute of making. certain amendments· to Ayurveda Jalpur for 1990-91 etc_ Notification No. 87/S9-CE, dated the 1st March 1989. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRYOFPARUAMENTARY AFFAIRS (iii) G.S.R. 608 (E) published in AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Gazette of India dated the 19th MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND June, 1992 together with an TECHNOLOGY (DEPARTMENT·OF explanatory memorandum ELECTRONICS AND DEPARTMENT OF making certain amendments to OCEAN DEVELOPMENT) SHRI Notification No. 121/89-CE, dated R~NGARAJAN KUMARAMANGALAM):On the 27th April, 1989. behaH of Shrimati OK Tharactevi Slddhartha, I beg to lay on the Table:- (Iv) G.S.R. 609 -(E) published in Gazette of India dated the 19th (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report June, 1992 toget~er with an (Hindi and English versions) of explanatory memorandum the National Insmute of making certain amendments to Ayurveda Jaipur, for the Year Certain Notifications montioned 1990-91. in the Notification. '(ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and . (v) G.S.R. 652 (E) published in English versions) by the Gazette of India dated the 1st July Government on the working of 131 Pa/»tS LIIId AUGUST 20, 1992 PspIIIS LIid 132 [Sh. RangaraJan Kumar Uangalam) AudJt Report thereon. the National Institute of (Iii) A copy of the Review (HIndi Ayurveda Jalp~r, for the Year and English versions) by the 1990-91. Government on the working of the Chlttaranjan National (2) A statement (Hindi and English Cancer Institute Calcutta. for versions) (I) showing reasons for the Year 1990-91. delay In laying the papers mentioned at (1) above and (Ii) explanlng the (6) A statement (Hindi and English reasons for not laying the Auditied versions) showing reasonsfordelay Accounts of the National Institute of In laying the papers mentioned at Ayurveda Jalpur, for the year 1990-. (5) above and 91 within the stipulated period of nine months after the close of the (Placed In library. See No. L. T. Accounting year. 2624192] [placed In library. SeeNo. L. T. 26221 (7) (i) A copy of the Annual Report .92] (Hindi and English versions) of the All India Institute of Medical (3) (I) A copy of the Annual Report Sciences, New Deihl, for the (Hindi and English versions) of Year1990-91.undersection19 the National Institute of . of the All India Institute of Naturopathy Pune, forthe Year Medical Sciences Ad, 1956. 1990-91. along with Audited Accounts. (iI) A copy of the Review (Hindi and English verslons) by the (Ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and Government on the working of English versions) by the the Ail India Institute of Medical Government on the working of Sciences, New Delhi, for the the National Institute of Year 1990-91. Naturopathy, Pune, forthe Year 1990-91. (8) A statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for delay (4) A statement (Hindi and English in laying the papers mentioned at (7) versions) showing reasons for delay above In laying the papers mentioned at (3) above. [Placed in Library. See No. L. T. 2625192] [placed In Library. SeeNo. L. T.26231 92] (9) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of (5) (I) A copy of the Annual Report the National Institute of Mental (Hindi and English versions) of Health and Neuro' Sciences, the Chlttaranjan National Bangalore, for the Year 1990- Cancer Institute Calcutta, for 91'. along with Audited A the Year 1990-91. (ii) . A copy of the Review (Hindi and English _versions) by the (II) A copy of the annual Accounts Government on the working of (Hindi and English versions) of the National Institute of Mental the ChlttaranJan National HeaHh and Neuro Sciences, Cancer Institute Calcutta, for Bangalore. for the Year 1990- the year 1990-91 together with 91. 133 Papers LItid SRAVANA 20, 1914 (SAKA) Papers LItid 134 (10) A statement (Hindi and English Notifications (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons fordelay versions) under sUb-section (4) of In laying the papers mentioned at (9) section 19 of the Banking above Companies (Acquisition and [placed in library. See No. l. T. Transfer of Undertakings) Act, 2626/92] 1970 and 1980:- (11) (i) A copy of the Annual·Report (i) The Syndicate Bank (Officers) (Hindi and English versions) of Service (Amendment) the Post graduate Institute of Regulations 1991 published in medical Education and Notification No.10461S10090/ Research, Chandigarh, forthe PO: IRD(O) in Gezette of India Year 1990-91. under section dated the 11th January 1992 19 ofthe Postgraduate Institute [Placed in library SeeNo.l.T. of Medical Education and , 2628/92] Research, Chandigarh, Act 1966. (Ii) The Union Bank of India (Officer's) Service (iI) Acopy ofthe Annual Accounts (Hindi and English versions) of Regulations, 1979 published the Post graduate Institute of in Notification No. 39/8/0sR1/ Medical Education and 46 in Gezette of India dated Research, Chandigarh, forthe . the 111hJanuary 1992 [Placed Year 1990-91. together with in Ubrary See No. l.T. 26291 Audit Report thereon under 92] section 18 of the Postgraduate Institute of Medical Education (iii) The Syndicate Bank (Officer's) and Research, Chandigarh, Service (Amendment) Act 1966. Regulations, 1992 published in Notification No. 3921SJ0090/ (iii) A copy of the Review (Hindi po: IRD (0) in Gazette of India and English versions) by the dated the 6th June 1992 Government on the working of [Placed In Library See No. L. T. the Postgraduate Institute of Medical Education and 2630192] Research, Chandigarh, forthe year 1990-91. (Iv) The Dena Bank (Officers') Service . (Amendment) (12) A statement (Hindi and English Regulations, 1992 published versions) showing reasons for delay in Gazette of India dated the in laying the papers mentioned at 4th April, 1992 [Placed in (11) above Library SeeNo.l.T. 2631192] [Placed in library. See No. l. T. (v) The Oriental Bank of 2627192] Commerce (Officer's) Service Amendment Regulations 1992 Notifications under Banking published in Notification No. Companies (AcqulsHlon and Transfer of Undertakings) Act. 1970 and 1980 3913 in Gazette of India dated and State Bank of India Act, 1959 etc. . the 4th April. 1992 [Placed In Library See No. !-.T. 2632192] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (vil The Vijaya Bank Officer SHANTARAM POTDUKHE): On behaH of Employee's (Discipline and Shrl Dalbir Singh, I beg to lay on the Table:- Appeal) First Amendment Regulations 1992 published in (1) Acopyoftheeach ofthefollowing Notification No. 282 in Gazette 135 Papers Laid AUGUST 20, 1992 Papers Laid 138 ISh. Shantaram Potdukhe] Regulation 160fthe State Bank of Mysore ElT9loyees' Gratuity of India dated the 21 st march, Regulations and Regulation 13 1992 [Placed in Library ~ of State Bank of Blkaner and No.l.T.2633192] Jaipur, Indore, Pallala, . Saurashtra, Travaitcore (vii) The Punjab National Bank Employees' Gratuity (Officer's) Service Reguations. [Placed in Library (Amendment) Regulations, See No. L.T. 2637192] 1979 published in Notification No. F. 17/2184-IR in Gazette of (iv) Notification No. 17/1991 India dated the 21st March, published in Gazette of India 1992 [Placed in Library See dated the 9th November, 1991 No. l.T. 2634192) approving the amendment in Sub-Regulation 17(2) of the (2) A copy each of the following Employees' Provident Fund Notifications (Hindi and English Regulations of State Bank of versions) under SUb-section (4) of BikanerandJaipur, Hyderabad, section 63 of the State Bar'lk of India Indore. Mysore. Patiala. (Subsidiary Banks) Act 1959:- Saurashtra. Travancore. (i) Notification No. 16/1991 '[Placed in Library See No. l.T. published in Gazette of India 2638192] dated the 9th November, 1991 approving the amendment in (3) (i) A copy of the Annual Report Sub-Regulation 8 (1 ) of the State (Hindi and English versions) of Bank of Bikaner and Jaipur. the Industrial Development Hyderaba"d. Indore, Mysore. Bank of India together with Patiala. Saurashtra. Travancore Audned Accounts olthe General Employees' Provident Fund Fund forthe year 1991, -92 under Reguations. sub-section (5) of section 18 and sub-section (5) of section [Placed in library See No. L.T. 23 olthe Industrial Development 26351921 Bank of India Act. 1964. (ii) Notification No. 18/1991 (ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and published in Gazette of India English versions) by the dated the 9th November. 1991 Government on the working of approving the amendment in the Industrial Development Regulation 15 of the State Bank Bank of India for the year 1991- of Bikaner and Jaipur. 92. Hyderabad. Indore. Mysore. Patiala.Saurashtra. Travancore [Placed in Library See No. L.T. Employees' Provident Fund 2639192) , Regulations. (4) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi [Placed in library See NO.l.T. arid English versions) on the 2636192] working and activities of the Allahabad Bankforlhe wear 1991· (iii) Notification No. 7/1991 92 along with Accounts and published In Gazette of India Auditor's Report Iher80n under dated the 10th August, 1991 sub-section (8) 01 uction 100fthe approving the amendments in Undettakings) Ad. 1870. "37 Papers Laid SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) Papers Laid 138 [Placed in library See No. LT. (2) , (i) A copy of the Annual Report 264092] (Hindi and English versions) of the Indian Institute' of (5) Acopyeach of thefoUowing Annual 'Technology, BOmbay, for the Reports (Hindi and English ,year'990-91. versions) under sub-section (8) of section 10 of the Banking (Ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and Companies (Acquisition and English versions) by the Transfer of Undertakings) Act, Government on the working of 1980:- the Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay for the (i) Report on the working and year 1990-91. activities of the Oriental Bank of Commerce forthe year 1991- , [Placed in Library. See No. L T- 92 along with Accounts and 2643192) Auditor's Report thereon. (3) A copy each ofthe following papers (ii) Report on the working and (Hindi and Englishversions) under activities of the Vijaya Bank for SUb-section (4) of section 23 ofthe the Year 1991-92 along with Institue ofTechnology, Act: 1961 :- Accounts and Auditor's Report thereon. (i) Annual Accounts of the Indian Institue of Technology Madras, [Placed in Library See No. LT. for the year 1990-91 together 2641192] with Audit Report thereon. Annual Report arid Review on the (ii) Annual Accounts of the Indian working of Indian Insitute of Institue of Technology Bombay, Technology, Madras and Bombay for for the year 1990-91 together 1990-91 etc. with Audit Report thereon. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE [Placed In Library See No. LT. MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE 2644192] DEVELOPMENT (DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND DEPARTMENT OF (4) Two statements (Hindi and English CULTURE) (KUMARI SELJA): I beg to lay versions) showing reasons for on the Table:- delay in laying the papers mentioned at (1) to ,3) above (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Rport [Placed in Library. See. No. LT- (Hindi and English versions) of 2644A192 the Indian Institute of Technology, Madras. for the (5) (i) A copy of the Annual Report year 1990-91. (Hindi and English versions) of the Karnataka Regional (ii) A copy ofthe Review (Hindi and Engineering college', English versions) ~y the Surathkal, for the Year 1990- govemment on the working of 91. the Indian Institute of Technology, Madras. for the (ii) A copy of the Annual Accounts year 1990-91, (Hindi and English verSions) of the Karnataka Regional [Placed in Library See No. LT, Engineering College, 2642192] S.urathkal. forthe year 1990- 139 PI#pIIfS l.IIId AUGUST 20, 1992 Papsrs LaId 140 (Kumarf Selja) AudIted Accounts. (n) A copy of the Review (HIndi 91 togetherwlth Audit thereon. and EngUsh versions) by the . Government on the working of (Iii) A copy of the Review (Hindi the School of Planning and and English versions). by the Architecture, Deihl, for Government on the working of New the year 1989-90. the Karnataka Regional engineering College, (10) A statement (Hindi and English Surathkal, for the 1990-91. versions) showing reasons for delay In laying the papers (6) A statement (Hindi and English mentioned at (9) above versions) showing reasons for delay In laying the papers (placed in Library. S86 No. L.T- mentioned at (5) above. 2647/92J (placed in Library. S86 No. L.T- 2645192] (11 ) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of (7) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of the Navodaya Vidyalaya Samltl, New Deihl, forthe year the Regional Engineering 1990-91. College, Rourkela, forthe year 1990-91. (ii) A copy of the Annual Accounts (Hindi and English versions) of (ii) Acopyof the Annual Accounts (Hindi and English versions) of the Navodaya Vldyalaya Samiti, New Delhi, for the year the Regional Engineering College, Rourkela, forthe year 1990-91 together with Audit Report thereon. 1990-91 together with Audit Report thereon. (iii) AStatement (Hindi and English versions) regarding review by (iii) A copy of the Review (Hindi theGovemrnentontheworking and English versions) by the Government on the working of of it Navodaya Vidyalaya Samiti, New Delhi, forthe year the Regional engineering 1990-91. College, Rourkela, forthe year 1990-91. (12) Astatement (Hindi and English (8) A statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for versions) showing reasons for delay in laying the papers delay In laying the papers mentioned at (II) above. mentioned at (7) above. (placed in library. S86No. LT.- (placed in Library. S86 No. L.T- 2649/92J 2646/92J (13) (I) . A copy of the Annual Report (9) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of (Hindi and English versions) of the National Institute of the School of Planning and Foundry and Forge Architecture, New Delhi, for Technology, Ranchl, for the the year 1989-90 along with year 1990-91. 141 PIpeg l.ttid SRAVANA 20, 1914 (SAKA) , Papers LaId 142 [Kuman Selja] , . (17) (i) 'A copy of the Annual Report . (Hindi and English versions) of 01) Acapy oftha Annual accounts the Sardar Vallabhbai Regional (Hindi and English versions) of College of Engineering and the national Institute of Foundry Technology, Surat, forthe year and Forge Technology, Ranchi 1990-91. for the year 190-91 together with Audit Report thereon A copy of the Annual Accounts (Hindi and English versions) of (iii) A copy ofthe review (Hindi and the SardarVaDabhbai Regional English versions) by the College of Engineering and Government on the wo,1dng of Technology, Suratfortheyear the National Institute of 1990-91 together with Audit Foundry and Forge Report thereon. Technology, Ranchl, for the year 1990-91. (Iii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and English versions) by the (14) A statement (Hindi and English govemment on the working of versions) shOwing reasons for the SardarVallabhbai Regional delay inlaying the papers College of Engineering and mentioned at (13) above. Technology Surat, forthe year 1990-91, [Placed in library. See No. LT.- 2649/92] (18) A statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for (15) (i) A copy of the Annual Report delay in laying the papers (Hindi and English versions) of . mentioned at (17) above. the Regional Engineering College, Tiruchlrapalli. for the [Placedinlibrary. SeeNo.LT.- year 1990-91. 2651/92] (ii) A copy of the Annual Accounts (19) A statement (Hindi and English (Hindi and English versions) of versions) explaining reasons the Regional engineering for not laying the Annual Report College, Tiruchirapalli. for the and Audited Accounts of the year 1990-91 together with Regional;Engineering College, Audit Report Thereon Warangal, for the year 1990- 91 within the stipulated period (iii) A copy of the Review (Hindi of none ,months after the close and English versions) by the of the Accounting year. Government on the working of the Regional; Engineering [Placedinlibrary. SeeNo.LT.- College, Tiruchirapalli, for the 2652192] year 1990-91. (16) A statement (Hindi and English (20) (i) A copy of the annual Report versions) showing reasons for (Hindi and English versions) of delay laying iil the papers the Khuda Bakbh Oriental mentioned at (15) above. Public Library, Patna, for the year 1990-91 along with [Placedinlibrary. SeeNo.LT.- Audited Accounts under 26450/92] Section 21 of the Kuda Bauda 143 PilPers Laid AUGUST 30, 1992 Message from Rajya Sabha 1.44 Bakhah Oriental Public Library English versions) by the Act, 1969. government on the working of the Raja Rammohan roy (ii) A copy of the Review (HincU Library Foundation, Calcutta, and English versions) by the for the year 1990-91. Government on the working of the Khuda Bakhsh Oriental (25) A statement (Hindi and English Public Library, Patna, for he versions) showing reasons for year 1990-91. delay laying in the papers mentioned at (24) above. (21 ) A statement (Hindi and Eng lish versions) showing reasons for [Placed in library. See No. delay in laying the papers L T.-2655/92] mentioned at (2) above. [Placed in Library. See No. LT- 14.18 hrs 2653/92] MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA (22) A statment (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for [English) delay inlaying the papers mentioned at (2) above. SECRETARY-GENERAL: Sir, I have to report the following messages received from [Placed in Library See No. LT- the Secretary-General of Rajya Sabha:- 2653/92] (i) " In accordance with the (i) A copy of three Annual Report provisions of sub-rule (6) (Hindi and English versions) of of rule 186 of· the rules of the Visa-Bharat, Santiniketan. Procedure and Conduct for the year 1990-91. of Business in the Rajya Sabha, I am directed to (ii) _ a copy of the Review (Hindi return herewith the and English versions) by the Appropriation (No.3) Bill, Government on the working of 1992, which was passd the Visa-Bharati Santiniketan, by the Lok Sabha at its for the year 1990-91. sitting held on the 12th Aug ust. 1992, and (23) A statement (Hindi anci English transmitted to the Rajya versions) showing reasons for Sabh a for its delay in laying the papers recommendations and to mentioned at (22) above. state that things House has no recommendations [Placed in library. See No. L T.- to make to the Lok Sabha 2654/92] in regard to the said Bill. (24) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (ii) In accordance with the (Hindi and English versions) of provisions of sub-rule (6) the Raja Rammohan Roy of rule 186 of the Rules of Library Foundation, Calcutta, Procedure and Conduct fortheyear 1990-91 along with of Business in the Rajya Audited Accounts. Sabha, I am direced to tritium herewith the (ii) A copy ofthe review (Hindi and Appopriation (No.4) Bill, 145 Assent to Bill SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA)Rules C!,mmittee Report 146 1992, which was pased to make a submission about the report of the by the Lok Sabha at its Rules Committee. sitting held on the 12th August, 1992, and MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It is only transmitted to the Rajya presentation of the report. At the time of Sabha for Hs presentation of the report, there is no recommendations and to explanation or any other argumentation could state that this House has . be called or spoken. no recommendations to make to the Lok Sabha in SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATIERJEE: regard to the said Bill. At the time of even laying down the report by the Minister, I can make my submission. That is provided in the rules. 14.18 1/2 hrs. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You can tell it afterwards. ASSENT TO BILL Making a speech now is not according [English] tothe procedure. Are we following the rules? We have to function as per the rules. SECRETARY-GENERAL: Sir, I lay on the Tablethe Foreign Exchange Conservation SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATIERJEE: I (Travel) Tax Abolition Bill, 1992 passed by am talking about the report of the Rules the House of ParliCiJ11ent during the current Committee this much. I have given a notice. session and assented to since a report was Before report of the Rules Committee is last made to the House on the 9th July, 1992. being presented, I wantto make a submission. I have already sent a note to you. It is on that basis, I am requesting you. 14.19. hrs My only sLlbmission is that several Members like me who are Members of the RULES COMMITIEE Rules Committee would not be present in the discussion because of the sitting of the Joint First Report Parliamentary Committee on. secretes Scam. We have all discussed there. It is not only [English] from our Party but from the ruling Party also" there were Members. We all decided there THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE that, as the proposals are, there are some MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS serious difficulties about the formation of the AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Standing Committees and the functioning of MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND the Standing Committees. we, therefore, TECHNOLOGY (DEPARTMENT OF sent a request that 'No decision by the Rules ELECTRONICS AND DEPARTMENT OF Committee be taken today and we willike to OCEAN DEVELOPMENT); (SHRI be present in the next meeting." RANGARAJAN KUMARAMANGALAM): I beg to lay on the Table, under sub-rule (1) of The problem is thatthis recommendation rule331 ofthe rules of Procedure and Conduct of the functioning of the standing Committee of Business in Lok Sabha, the First Report reduces the total number of days of (Hindi and English versions) of the Rules functioning in the Parliament, Afterthe Budget Committee. Session, a general discussion takes places and the House is adjprned. If it is adjourned SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATIERJEE for one month, what happens? The (Dum Dum): Sir, I have sent a notice. I have consequences are, there ill be no questions 147 Rules Committee Report AUGUST 20, 1992 E.C. Reports 148 [Sh. Nirmai 'Kanti Chatterjee) , interested to place their pOints of view may put them within a month. We can always take for one month, no 377 for one month and no up in the ~ules Committee. There Is no unlised business for three months. problem. Many of the suggestions can be Investigated. You give your objections. Secondly, the difficylty is there are ten committee or something lUke that proposed. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There is a That excludes many Members of the House. specific provision in the rules also. We sugested also that the number of Committees be Increasd so that every single "The recommendations of the Rules Member is on one commitee or the other. Committee shall be laid on the Table.- I have aready made a positive suggestion that instead of adjouming the House for a 14.23 hrs month,let the morning of every day sitting be taken for the plenary session and the ESTIMATES COMMITTEE aftemoon be devoted to the sittings of the Standing Committee so that questions can Nineteenth and Twentieth Reports be asked, 377 can be taken up. Otherwise, the total number of the sittings In a year [English) would be seriously curtailed. SHRI. MANOIi,ANJAN BHAKTA My submission Is that all Members who , (Andaman & Nicobar Islands): Sir, I beg to are present today be give a chance t make present the following Reports (Hindi and proposals to the Rules Committee till the English versions) of the Estimates begining of the next Session because theories Committee:- the rule is if In anyone month, no objection takes place, this is taken to be granted and (i) Nineteenth Report on the accepted. SO,I suggest that till the first week Ministry of Defence of the next SeSSion, permiSSion be given that defence Force Levels, objections and amendments can be SUbmitted Manpower, Mangement to the Rules Committee. and Policy and Minutes of the sittings of the SHRI PREM DHUMAL (Hamirpur): I Committee relating fully support this proposal. thereto. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Members can (Ii) , Twentieth Report on sent their suggestions. Action Taken by Gcivernment on the SHRI PREM DHUMAL: This should be recommendations accepted by the Govemment. contained in the Twelfth Report of Estimates SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARA Committee (Ninth Lok MANGALAM: First of all, there Is no such Sabha) on the Ministry of procedure that is being adopted. Here I Industry (Department of would only !ike to submit that they have one Industrial Development) mont~ ~iifle under the Rules. They are clear Sickness in Heavy in their mind what it is. Members who are Engineering Industry. 149 P.A.C. Reports SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA)Statt. correctings reply to 150 USQ270dt.20.7.92 14.23 1/2 hra. sittings (Hindi and English versions) of there Joint Committee on Fertilizer Pricing. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE I'· Thlrtyted • Thirty Fourth. Thirty of bit 14.24112hrs and Thirty Six reports COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC [ Translation} UNDERTAKINGS SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHARGAVA Ninth Report (Jaipur) I beg to present the following reports (Hindi and English versions) of the Public [English} Accounts Committee: (1 ) Thirty-third Report on SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura): action taken on 15 1st Sir, I beg to present the Ninth Report (Hindi Report (Sth Lok Sabha) and Egnlish versions) of the Committee on on Customs Receipts Public Undertakings on Litigations pedning adoption of Irregular for settlement in Public Undertakings and procedure on recovery of Minutes of the sittings of the Committee duty on vacation of stay relating thereto. order-Loss of revenue by way of interest on 14.25 hrs payment of duty in' installments. PETITION RE. CHECKING OF WATER LOGGING BANDEL SUBWAY (BAZAR (2) Thirty-fouth on action PARA) BY ITS RENOVATION AND FOR CONSTRUCTION OF FOOT taken on 143rdReport(Sth OVERBRIDGE CONNECTING ALL Lok Sabha) on Crash PLATFORMS OF BANDED RAILWAY Housing Programme for JUNCTION. construction of general pool accommodation. [English] SHRI RUPCHAND PAL (Hoogly): Sir, I (3) thirty-fifth Report on action taken beg to present a petition signed by Shri on 157th Report 8th Lok Amulya Chandr Saha of Mahatma Gandhi Hindi VidyalayaoBandelm District Hooly and Sabha) on Calcutta Port other residents of Hoogly District seeking Trust. action to check Water-logging in banded sub-way (bazarpara) by its renovation and (4) Thirty-sixth Report on for construction of foot over-bridge conneting action taken on 22nd all the platforms of Bandel Aailway Junction. Report (9th Lok Sabha) on Refunds of Central Excise Duties. 14.25112 hrs. STATEMENT CORRECTING REPLY TO 14.24 hrs. STARRED QUESTION'NO_ 270 DT. 27.7.9~EGARDING LOSS IN JOINT COMMITTEE ON FERTILISER VAYUDOCaT PRICING [English] Report and Minutes THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [ Translation] MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI PRATAPRAOBHOSALE(Satara): MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND I beg to present the Report and minutes of TECHNOLOGY (DEPARTMENT OF 151 Passport AUGUST 20, 1992 Passport (Amend.)Bill 152 ELECTRONICS AND DEPARTMENT OF Committee pre~ntedto OCEAN DEVElOPMENT) (SHRI the House on the 19th RANGARAJAN KUMARAMANGALAM): Sir, August, 1992." on behalf of Shri M.OH Farook, I made the following statement: MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Thequestio~ is: In reply to part (a) of Starred Question No. 270 in the Lok Sabha on 27-0792 "That this House do regarding loss in Vayudoot it was stated that: agree with the Twenty first Report of the " Vayudoot has incurred an estimated Business Advisory cumulative loss of Rs. 168.40 cores from its Committee presented to inception in 1981." the House on the 19th August, 1992." On further scrutiny it has been found that there is an error. The error is regretted. The motion was adopted. The corred reply is as follows Vayudoit has incurred an estimated 14.261/2 hrs. cumulative loss of Rs. 160 . 48 crores from its inception in 1981. PASSPORTS (AMENDMENT) BILL" Since the error came to notice only, [EnglisllJ . now, the reply could not be corrected earlier. The delay inccorrecting the reply is regretted. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI R.L. BHATIA): Sir,l beg to move lor 12ave to introduce a BiIIlurtherto amend the Passports 14.26. hrs. Act, 1967. BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: the questior Twenty First Report is: "Thai leave be granted Ie [English] introduce a Bill further Ie. a.mend the Passports Act, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1967: MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE The motion was adopted. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (DEPARTMENT OF SHRI R..l. BHATIA: I introduce the Bill. ELECTRONICS AND DEPARTMENT OF OCEAN DEVElOPMENT); (SHRI MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Let us now RANGARAJANKUMARAMANGALAM): Sir, take up matters under Rule 377. I beg to move: ( Interruptions) "That this HOtJse do agree wilh the Twenty- lirst Report 01 the SHRI. BASUDEB ACHARIA(Bankura): Business Advisory What about zero Hour?(lnterruptions) "Published in the Gazette of India, Extraordinary, Part II, Section 2, dated 20.8.1992. 153 Passport SRAVANA20, 1914 (SAKA) (Amend.)BiIJ 154 MR.DEPUTY-SPEAKER:Wewili have [English) the Zero Hour. MR. .DEPUTY SPEAKER: Rabi Ray ji, SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: shall we do one thing? we shall bark for _ .(Andaman & Nicobar Islands); Sir, your LunCh .. reassemble after Lunch and continue ...• fl'ecision is right. We will now take up Matters whit Zero. Hour. After the Zero Hour is over under Rule 377 first.{ Interruptions) , we can taken up Matter under Rule 377 and . other matters. Would you agree to that? My MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: What I say is suggestion is; Let us adjourn now. that definitely we will not forgethe Zero Hour. Zero Hour will be there. Definitely it will be ( Translation) there. SHRI RABI RAY: Mr. Deputy Speaker, SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: When? Sir, I have to attend the meeting of J,P,C. at 3.30 p.m. tOday. therefore, h you kindly allow me, I may make my s.ubmissionly in two MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: We shall do minus. You should take the Zero Hour first _.pne thing. Please wait. We shall coplete and then adjoum the House for lunch. matters inter rule 1377 now; then break for Lunch; re·assemble after Lunch and then we [English} taken up the zero Hour matter. I in another ten minutes, we will complete this item. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: .We shall do one thing. We shall take up Rabi Ray-Ji's SHRI ANBARASU ERA(Madras case first and then adjourn for lunch .• Central): Let us taKe up matters under Rule ( Interruptions) 377 first. Let us finish it up. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There are Many Member to participate. They should , [Translation) not be denied of this opportunity. ~l SHRI RABI RAY (Kendrapada): Mr. SHRI SATYA NARAYAN JATIYA Deputy Speaker, Sir, it has been the (Ujjain): Some people are Sitting here and convention of this august House that the 'not many. They should be Members raise only those questions during <:illowed.( Interruptions) the Zero Hour. which are very important .There has near been any instance when MR.. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: 'Many' is a matters under Rules 377 were raised in the very wide term. (Interruptions) Zero Hour. SHRI BHOGENDRAJHA (Madhubani): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, sinee today is What is your decision? the last day of the current session, I would like to suggest to take up the Zero Hour first. MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: As it was promised in the morning, after completing [English] • some business the zero Hour will continue. It has been assured to the House. As Shri MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I leave the Rabbi Ray wants to go his point will be taken matter to the sweet will of the House. up and then we shall adjourn for lunch. When we re-assemble. the Zero Hourwillcontinue. [ Translation) [ Translation] SHRI RABI RAY: Mr. Deputy Speaker, . Sir, let me speak, I will conclude within two SHRI RABI RAY: (Kendrapada): Mr. minutes. My submission is Deputy Spe.aker, Sir, I would like to raise a 155 Passport AUGUST 20, 1992 (AtneI]d.)8iH 156 - . _. - - ..._ [Sh. Rabl Ray] the members of the PresscouncU. That Isthe only Institution which thinks objectively In question is regard to which perhaps all the regard to the freedom of the Press. Members of the House would be interested. It is not a question related to any political J w~uld Uke to submit to you that tilt party .lfeelthatthe government's fascination living media oftha Asian Publication of foreign . towards Foreign Commodities Is increasing; joumals like 'The Times' are lobbying in and this trend improving very dangerous for India. All the Members know It very well that the country. I have been raising questions in . how powerful the lobbying In reg ard to foreign regard to the publication of foreign journals publications Is In the world.those peop~ in the country off and again in theHouse. You conspiring systematically against the Indian are well aware of the fact that In what journlism.1f the publication offoreign journals conditions our journals are In the country. My Is allowed in the country, Indian journals will submission is that despite ourconstant efforts lay far behind in the competition race. to know the govemment policy in this regard and our repeated requests to disallow the Therefore, I would request the publication of foreign journals in the country, Government to agree to the decision taken the Government has not clarified its stand. I by the Press Council to disallow the publication , have a complaint against the Ministry of offoreign journals in the country. Mr. Deputy Information and Broadcasting that it does Speaker, Sir, I regret to say that the way not think about this matter; this Ministry has conspiracy is being hatched by them in our so far, failed to put a concrete decisionbefore country and the way our present Government the House. I am aware that under the . has oeviated from the decision taken In 1955 conspiracy being hatched by a few to disallow any such publications, Is notin the bureaucrates in the said Ministry, the national interest. The Government should publication of foreign journals the country is prepare a Cabinet paper to restrict any such a part of conspiracy; and the Ministry of publication and implement it. Information and Broadcasting has been a silent observer. I have got information that it Today is the last day of the current has been asked to bypass the order of the session, and the last day of the curren~ Ministry and prepare a Cabinet paper in this session, and the Lok Sabha will meet fot regard. It is not good that Members approach winter session afterthree months. Therefore, you gain and again.(Inte"uptions) I would stress upon the need to provide de protection to Indian journalism. The Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, i would like to government should be firm on the decision raise this question because I have got a taken in 1955 to disallow the publication of news that the Government Intend to take foreign jounals. measures in regard to the publication of foreign journals in the country. Since the At the moment, the hon. Minister of hon. Minister of Finance and a very learned Finance is present in the Housed and the man Shri Manmohan Singh is present in the Ministry of Finance always advocate the House, I would like to submit to him that it cues for the publication of 'The Financial was decided in the Cabinet in 1955 to disallow Times' on the plea that it would furnish the 'the publication of foreign journals. My facts about the matters relating to trade and submission to the hon. Minister is that after business in the foreign countries; and the the economic Iiberalisation policy was foreign Investment Board has approved this implemented, the country was made totally proposal. However, the Press council has dependent on the World Bank and this clearly . opposed the way foreign agencies are It indicates that the present Government gives chocing conspiracy in the name of the no weightage to nationalism. Here, I would publication of journals like the 'Finance Times' like to thank the Press council which strongly I am afraid that they may take the advantage opposed the publication of foreign journals in of the liberal attitude of the Government and the country. Member of Parliament are also will be dominating the Indian Press. 157 Passport SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) (Amend.)Bill 158 Therefore, J would urge the Ministry of classes. In such a situation, amendment to Information and Broadcasting which deals the constitution to include economic criterion with joumalism and also to the Ministry of has to be moved before this august House. Finance to remain firm on the decision taken In the absences of constitutional provision in > ~' ,1955 to disallow the publication of foreign respect of the economic crlterelon, it is likely j oumals; so that the freedom of the regional that the Supreme Court may strike down the ,Cumals may be protected their interests are reservation of jobs of 27 per cent to the sefegnrde and these journals may be people ofthe backward classes based on the protected from the traps offoreign agencees. economic criterioan and 10 per cent for the This is may only submission through you. . economically weaker section. [English] The hon. MinisterforWelfare also stated that an expert committee will be appointed 10 MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We will take find out the ways and means for the up matters under Rule 377 afterwards. Shri reservation of jobs to the backward classes: ANBARASU Era is the Chairman of the Again this will also cause inordinate delay ~eception Committee. If you do not mind, he and hence, the Mandai and Maunder party ()I\,·1 speak fortwo minutes. Now Shri Anbarsu will create an apprehension in the minds of ) ," to Speak. the people of the backward classes and also in the minds of the economically weaker SHRI ANBARASU ERA (Madras Central sections that the present Government has ): The Mandai Commission issue is being not seriously taken up the issue of reservation taken up as a matter of agitation only with of jobs and this prevailing situation is likely to political motive to malign the image of our . be exploited by the very same forces to government. Our Prime Ministerhad already create unrest. Already the Maunder party set-up a full-fledged Commission for the has destroyed the communal harmony in the welfare of the SC/ST an it started functioing. country on the Ram Janam Bhoomi -Babria The very fact that toe had set-up this Masjid issue and on the other said Mandai Commission for the welfare of the SC/sT is party is planning to destroy and divide the _ 3n ample testimony thC'.t our Prime Minister unity of the people on caste basis to have is the champion of the Harijans and Dallies. political.rnileage out of it. Inspte of this fact, some hon. Members like George Finances, Ram Villas Paswan In order to avoid unnecessary accused our Prime Minister that he is not apprehension in the minds of the people on interested in the welfare of the Harijans . backward classes as well as in the minds of which is a politically motivated one. economically weaker sertions and also to expose the sinister motive of the self-styled Our Prime Minister had also set up a champion of the backward classes, I urge commission for the welfare of the minorities the hon. Prime Minister to move the and he is equally interested in the welfare of amendment to the Indian Constitution so as the people of the backward classes and to include the economic criterion and also economically weaker sections for which the suitable arrangement on consensus to Backward Class Development Corporation expediter the petition pending before the has been constituted. Supreme Court for quick dispos also thatthe reservation of 27 percent can be implemented Howevere, the issue of reservation of to the backward classes and 10 per cent to jobs is pending before the Supreme Court, it the economically weaker sections of the >. will definitely cause inordinate delay and this society as early as possible. (Inteffuptions) situation is likely to te exploited by the pOlitically vested interests. Further there is MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Many people no constitutional prOVision to include the took very strong objection when I wanted to economic criterion in case of reservation of take up Matters under Rule 377. Once a jobs etc. to the people belonging to backward decisions has been taken, we should not 159Passpon AOOUST 20, 1992 (Amend.)BiI 160 .this cases with the CSI. For the last two months, this cases Is pending withlheCentl'a1 deviated from it. Secondly, of course, I and Government. I would like to urve upon the promiled that we all break for lunch. Now if Minlsterwho Is in change olf the CBI-througlt _ you were to break for limch, it takesone hour you, Sir, to take up this case- by the est- There are so many people to speak. If you all . which is recommended by the State agree. govemment·so that the fact can be revealed and justice can be done to the poor family of SHRI RAMESH CHENNITHAlA' the sister, Abbaiya. (Kottayam): Since this is the Isat day of the Session, we can forage the lunch Greek Sir. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I can'the names of Merrt)ers as per the list. Kindly MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You are very take a chance. Suppose a Member is not much compelling us to f:lsttoday! let us take nere, then, we can c:allim again. Now, Shrl a decision. Are we to break for lunch or not? Balayogi. Shri Balayogi, please do not read out. Shri Jdshi and others took very strong." Some hon. Members: Let us not tirak for objection when Shri Anbarasu was' lunch Sir. redinstrong out. You may kindly tell the operative protion. This is not Matters under MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: So there will rule 377. been lunch breaK. And the question of taking up .matters under Rule 377 does not arise. SHRIG M C BALA YOGI(Amalapuram): many people have taKen objection to it for This is an injustice, Sir. The senior leaders which reasons we have dropped it. That will are speaking for hours together and we are come up only after the Zero Hourwork is over not allowed to speak. (Interruptions). Kindly cooperate with the , Chair. this is the last day of the sessiOn. We MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We have to should al go with smiling faces! . accommodate more persons. More than 50 persons have to participate in this. " l Translation] SHRI G M.C BALAHOGI: Sir, in Andhra SHRI TEJ NARAYAN SINGH (Buxar): Pradesh there IS large scale bungling In the Most of the members obeyed you and have appointment of excise sub-is M.S. pectores gone. n, by oenylng SCtST candidates. ablaut 28 vacancies nave been fillec up oy OC [English] Candidates through these vacancies arb reserved. by taking bnes. LikeWise In MR.. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We will not Kakinada Excise Division. eighth SCtST deny them a chance. vacancies have oeen filled byOC Candidates to the post EXCise Inspectors. There IS ambie SHRlflAMESH CHENNITHALA: In my eVidence to snow that tne auth.oritles constituency Kottayam in Kerala state. one concerned deprived'1he SCtST candidates nun named Sister Abhyas's dead body was their legitimate light to be selected 10 reserveo found in the well in the premises of a convent. oUSts. This is alleged as a number. This IS a very serious incident and al sections of the House I urge upon the Welfare MInister tnrougl' are agitated on this issue. The local police you. Sir, 10 d;rect tho Governmenl of Andhra - . had conducted an inquiry. but the people of Pradesh to inves!:ga!e troe ma!ter ana de the entire district and the area are not at ali ;ustlce oy recruIting SC.'ST canotda:u$ 10 11: .. satisfied wit that. They have suomitted seve·ral post of EXCise StJb·lnspoctor~ In reStJr\lCc • memorandalo the State Government. Finally vacanies Durmg tne Amocdkar Cemcnafv the State Government had taken a decisic:': Year der-yin'] l'1e log.lma!e '.glllS 0: SC:ST to write to the Central Govrnment to take up ;;aondiates amount:o doing greallnjsUIiCC te. 161 PaSS/iort SRAVANA 20,J914 (SAKAl (Amend.JBiN 162 the under-prvHlagedcandiates. Furhermore, and direct the Govemment of Kamataka to Governemnt departments doing this in the take proper action against the pe~ons who manner stated above will encouragee other vet objected for hoisting of the national Flag ~ectionb of the swociety to vlolatre the rules. and asia musttake S1epstoseethat hereafter So, I also requeS1thehon. MinisterofWelfare that particular open ground known as Kittur to direct the Government of Andhra Pradesh, Rnchemamma Maiden', should be made to take action againS1 those officers who are available for all public functions and the responsible for the worng-doings. National Flag should be allowed to be hoisted in that Maidoan. SHRI V DHANANJA VA KUAMR (Mangalore): Sir, would like to raise an I Translation] important issue. On the 46th Independence Day'celebrations,.in Hubli, Karnataka, the SHRI AJIT SUMITRA MAHAJAN police prevented the honstlng of notional flag (Indore); Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would in a public place. like to raise a very serious matter. Toda, the textile mills throughout the country are Sir, two days prior to the Independence passing through great crisis. A large number Day, they imposed our few, they imposed of textile mills in Madhya Pradesh are not he prohibition orders under Section 144. I verge of closure and some have already wouklliketo as to the Govemment as whether been closed. rendering about six thousand we are living in a free, India or do we still labourers jobless. The Hukum Chand textile consider that some parts of this country is Mill, a private concern In Indore has already under foreign rule, Many people who are been closed. The matter is under the distinguished like Ministers, Ex-Ministers, consideration of FIFR, but no diclsion has retired Inspector-General of Police, the leader been taken so far. Whatever may be th~ of a particular party in the State legislature decision, it should be taken at the earliest so and thousands of people have gathered on that the labourers might run the mill on that day. cooperative basis of they like, Similarly, the NTC mills are also running ion loss, Our to But the police prevented them from heavy establishment expenses and hoisting theflag.lcongratulatethe two young mismangement, loss is increasing. ladies who hoisted the flag in that maina, Establishment expenses should be reduced which is now.famouslyknown as KitturRani and measures taken to bring down the loess Chennamma maiotain, by braing the police. is that NTC mills can be prevented form Even the court of law has declared that this closure. I would like the Government to is a public place where many functions took formulate a new national textile policy I could place; public meetings are held; it is meant to protect the laborers from crises and the for the use of the public. In this free India, are mills from closure. At the same time a white we not entitled to hoisted the national flag paper should bee issued on textile industry. during the observance of the indepen~nce With the is demand, I conclude. Day? I am really sorry out the attitude of the government of Kamataka and the Karnataka SHRI VISHWANATH SHASTRI State Police, I do not know why they are (Gazipur): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, several afraid of a few individuals who were about to incidents in regard to dismantUng and stealing cease some problem, who have no respect of the statues of Baba Sahib Bhimrao lor the, law, who have total disrespect for the Ambedkar, the builder of Indian constitution National Flag and who are opposed for the took place during last year in Uttar Pradesh. hosting of the National flag during such an Recently, on July 6 and 7, 92, a statue of Dr. occasion when we celebrate our Ambedkar was instalJed in the barren area Independence Day. . of Gate 477 in Ratanpur in BiIowa village of Ballia district with the consent of the Gram . I would urge upon the govemment to Pradhan. But the in charge of Haldharpur institute an inquiry into the whole incident Police Station along with some of his 163Passpon AUGUST 20, 1992 (AmMcI.)811 164 . -. ~ .. -- ISh. Vlshwanath ShastnI - long time. Y® may cof11'lete the listed business first and then :»ntlnue, with the assistants went to Billows vDIage In late Zero Hour. It wOJ take only tea, minutes to hours of night, dismantled the statues and co... matters under Rule 371. Then you took It away at the behest of a ganagenster. can continue with the Zero Hour;' When the people of the area came to know (/ntemJptiQIIs) about the incident they expres68d their augulsh next day and condemned ltle police [ TtanslationJ action. The police, in order to teach them a lesson raided Bilowa village under the SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR GANGWAR leadership of SOU , Sadar and Circle Officer, (Barel"y); Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, BaraRIy cRy They searched the houses of Dalils is one of the major cites of Uttar Pradesh, without any cause, abused the women and and an IrJ1)Ortant Industrial centre of North beat the youth and old. Dozens of people Jndia.Atpresentthetotainumberoftelephone inculding the Gram Pradhan were forced to subscribers in BareiUy is about 10, 000., The assemble on aground and humilit. Fear and rasidents of this city have been ~nchlng terrorst'lpravallslnthesaidvHlageOisrespect various agitation, demosttlons etc. to opps8c to statue of Baba Sabib Ambedkar is an the Irregualarlty Is prevalent in the insult to lakhs and croras of Dalits who have telecommunication department. Duetothese been1hevictims of social premise and making irrgulataries the income of this department a demand for social justice, Therafora, I has also notbeen uptoexpectatlons because would like the Government not only to most of the time telephones remain out of Investigate the matter but also to fflnlsh the orderandtheirworking is not restored despite of Sabibtated enders so as to prevent such lodging repeated co"lliaints, So much so incidents in futura. that a public raprasentative was fed up and he surrandered his number 79920. At thal SHRI LALIT ORAON (Lohardaga): Mr. time the concerned department officials told Deputy Speaker, Sir, people in large numl:¥,lrs the rapresentative that since the telephones have been dying of a musters disease spread of line 7900 remain out of order, he was in Patna for the last two-three days. allotted number 78244. Other rapresentativesalso have similar complaints. MOre than two dozen people have The natura of these irregularities Is such that alraady died and all the deceased were before aconsumer, Shri laUitKumar AggrwaJ. Harjans. The Government of Bihar is totally was given connedion No. 70339. he received indifferant to check the disease and also in a telephone bill befora its i(lstaJlation.later it regard to providing medical aid to putienss was found that the same number was allotted afflictedd with this mysterious ailment. This to some other person before It was allotted has made the situtation mora explosive. to him. Despite correspondnce in this matter Local doctors ara ignorant of the cause and uptothe level of concerned MinistQbShri Lalit the cUra of this disease due to which Kumar received another bill without getting patelentsara not being treated property. Since the connection. Many consumers have the aHected persons are poor and jhuggi voluntarily surrendered their STD dwellers they cannot afford to get themselves connections just due -to the wrong entrlees treated in their own. Therefore, I would like made in the Bills. the Central Govemmentto intervene without any further delay and provide experts and Thera has been a longstanding demand medicine to them. to set up an electronic exchange with a capacity of about 10, 000 connections In (English] Barailly.Assurancesweremademanytimes to open the said exchange soon, however SHRI BRAJA KiSHORE TIRPATHY the work Is not being completed due to (Pun) Sir, since today is the last day, you are political reasons. Barallfy Is taral region and allowing he Zero Hour to continue for such a a terrorislinfested area. Hence an eledronic 165Passpon SRAVANA 20, 1914·(SAKA). (Amend.)BII 166 e~changls a must there. Suitable sll, Is also keeping In view Its public Importance. I want available with .the concerned department. . to raise an Issue In this House with your kind Th8refore, Irregulartles being made In the permission • .In comparison to ~her States. ~ntoftelecommunlcations In Bareilly Blhat: Is a poor and backward State. should be removed and an electronic HUOCO'S investment In Bihar Is very little In exChange without a capacity of 10000 lines comparison to others States'. One of Its . should be instaDed there immediately. reasons Is that there Is no regional office of HUOCO In Bihar. AI present It has a very [EngRshJ small office here which Is functioning on a very small scale. nhas very limited powers. SHRI DATTATRAYA BANDRU At present It Is controlled by the Calcutta (Secunderabad): Sir, the erstwhile Nizam regional office. As a result of proper attention State consisted of part of Telengana region . Is not being paid to this office. Moreover, and some pars of present Maharashtra and languages· problem etc. also comes In this Kamataka, Due to repression and humllation way. I, therefore, requesttheGovernmentto of· large maJoritte, the Aryasmaj gave a open a regional branch of HUOCO In Bihar nation-~ide call to opposethe Nlzam in 1938. Immediately and until Its regional branch is In respbnse to this call, many people from opened here, Its present bral)ch In Bihar various parts of the country participated In should be attached to LUcknOw. Regional the Aray Samaj Movement and offered Office with immediate effect. It will remove satyagraha who were arrested and out in language·problems and other problems as Jails. After Independence. a committee was well. At the same time, It will be easy to formed by the Government of India to call for connect Delhi direct from Bihar and it will the applications for granting pension to expenditure development in Bihar. freedom fighters. At this movement, the Arya SamaJ also has claimed that many [English] persons participated in 1938 in Arya Samj . movement who were also eligible forfreedom THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE fighters pension. Taking this opportunity, MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS many bogus certificates were issued by AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE certain unscrupulous present office bearers MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND of Arya Samaj certifyingthatthey are freedom TECHNOLOGY (DEPARTMENT OF fighters. On complaints received the ELECTRONICS AND DEPAR~ Intelligence Wing of there Govemment of OCEAN DEVELOPMENT), (SHRI Andhra Pradesh conducted an in inquirg and RANGARAJAN KUMARAMANGALAM): reported that the above 1,100 pensioners How long can with go on with zero hour? are bogus members and many persons how did not attains the age of even 16 or 17 years MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We have in 1948 are receiving pensions in Karimanger, promisedthatthere would be a recess lunch. Waranglate, Nizamabad etc. This requires But there is no lunch break. Many hon. further Investigation. Members went out underthe impression that here would lunch brack. We should not deny Hence the hon. Home Minister may then the opertunlty to expresses their intervene in the matter and he may issue the grievances. Therefore, I will call their names necessary instructions for Investigation and again, once the list has gone through. Once take further necessary action in the matter. gain I call their names. '15.00 hrs. SHRI DWARAKA NATH DAS (Karimganj): Working of the ONCE in Bark ( Translation] Valley particularly in Karimganj and Hailakandi Districts of Assam is not at all SHAI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH . satisfactory. The ONGC has undertaken (Jahanabad): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, experlrnent&, drillings, etc. throughout Barak 167 Passport AUGUST 20, 1992 (AlTI8nd.)Bill 168 [Sh. Dwaraka Nath Das) Industry, Govemment of India regarding increase in subsidy-amount or increase in Valley. But are the Govemmentaware that rules of the papers and for want of any everywhere in this valley, its experiments are decision in this regard, they supply of the met with fialure involving crores of rupees? paper allocated to the mearluer was Driblings afterdrillings have been going on at postponed. This case remained pending for new places and subsequently· abandoned a long time and at last the Ministry of Human without any success. It seems drillings are resource Development, Department of done in a haphazard manner without any . Education, Government o( India m New thorough expert opinion or satellite findings Delhi made an announcer:'l8nt regrading the and the result is cent per cent failure. Will the withdrawlof he scheme from31.3.90 onwards concerned Ministry be serious in this rega'rd for providing paper on conessional rates and instruct the ONGC authorities to take up under he subsidy scheme .. Thus the State drillings etc., with convictioA and with uptodate Governments were compelled rto purchase machineries so that they can achieve success the papers at high prices in open markets for and avoid painful wastage of huge amounts the text books published by them. Forcing of money? the State Governments to make an exorbitant increase in the rates of the text books the [ Translation] State Governments had to face the public criticism. Moreover it adversely affected the SHRI GIRDHARI LAL Education Expansion Programme of those BHARGAVA{Jaipur); Mr. Deputy Speaker, States which are educationally bacKward,· Sir, A scheme was launched by the . Even, then, being the publication Government of India to provide subsidy on • arrangemets under State Governments , paper for making available text-books/ utmost efforts was made to increase the exercise note-books on reduced rates, I price oft ext books as kite as possible keeping want to submit that the Government of India in view the interest of students, Due to non has been making the per available to the allocation of paper on concessional rates for State according to their educational needs the exercise note-books. The private note from 19745 to 1987 on controlled rates and books manufactures arechargeing excessive on the basis of chin concessional excise duty rates of their products which are of sub provided mainly for the purpose of standard quality. Deu to their being low nationalised text-books, answer notebooks standard inferior quality and small size, the of examination and exercise note students are being forced to face economic books, under the paper Control Orders 1974 difficulties. Since notebooks are needed for to 1987. Lateron, it was decided to repeal the the whole of the year, its period of uilitity also Paper Control Order in 1987. But in Ored to has decreased due to its inferior quality. meet the demand of the educational sector , the Ministry of I-Iuman Resources The Government of India should supply Development, department of Education, papers to State Government at concessional Government of India, f\!ew Delhi eVOlved an rate. so that notebOOKs may be made aliatemative arrangement through its Order available on low price. I express my thanks No. F-l-.87,dated 6.4.87 to get paper from for giving me time to speak. Messrs. Hindustan Paper Corporation Limited (a Government of India Undertaking) [English] at the then prevailing rate of Rs. 72001- per ton and on the basis of 5 per cent subsidy on SHRI CHITTA BASU (Barasta): Sir. I excise duty. Under this provision the State rise to draw the attention of the Government, Governments continued to get papers at the particularly the Minister oit Textile to the concessional rate every year till 31.3.90 - plights of the Jute growers of West Bengal, Even pi~~o this date MIs Hindustand Paper Assam. Orissa Andhra Pradesh and Bihar. Corporation Limited, Calcutta too had The stature price has been fixed at Rs. 400 submitted representation to the Ministry of per quintal which is munch rlow the cost of 169 Passpott SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) (Amend.)BIII 170 production. As a matter of fact the Jute orientation to public education in some Corporation of India had not entered into the States of our country. market in the countryside to purchase raw Jute so that the may not be contry saide to Sir:ours is a Secular State and public parchae raw Jute is that there may not be • education which is responsibility of the State diseased aske in the country side. cannot be used to promote any religion, sect or denomination Unfortunately, Sir, the JCl's Chairman diclaered that there is enough money forthe Education consists not only in physical purchae of raw jute for the current season. facilties but in syllabi and curricula, the media On the other hand the trade unions of the of instruction, the educational material, officers working in the JCI are on record it including the text bOOKS and the educational say that the JCI has at tits disposal an environment, including the school culture. amount of mony not more than Rs. 1 crore. h is insufficient to purchases the available Some voluntary organisations in our raw jute in the market. We can really inporve country which have an ideology and a vision ,the lot of rural economy of these Jute of their own as far as our national hood Is producing States. We can help the just concerned, run chains of schools throughout ;)rowers oif about 30 per cent of the total the country to promote their ideology, their production of Jute is procured by the JCI. vision. They are welcome. But, unfortunately, There has been an occasion when JCI has . some State GovEtrnment, particularly, Uttar procured more than 10 per cent of the total Pradesh, ha.ve embarked on a deliberate available raw jute in the country. But last yet project to use State power for promoting it was only 5 per cent. therefore, my plea to their vision. In terms of syllabi and curricula, the Government a [ Translation) Barauni refinery is only 42 lakh tonnes and now the production has also comedown due SHRI TEJ NARAYAN SINGH: (Buxer); to lack of sufficient crude oil supply as a result . Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, T.O.P. CAPART there is possibility of running this refinery into has not been paying salary to its employees more loss. After that conspiracy is being since March, 1991. Thee~loyeesarepoor. hatched to close this refinery declaring at a bs offices is located In Deihl. In this regard sick Industry. b should be noted that it is they have whitten tetters time and again but essential to run Barauni refinery. But his no action is being taken by the administration. refinery will start running on imported crude Finally, they have sat on hunger strike. Still oil after merely investing a few croreS of salry has not been given to them. They have rupees in laying pipelines from Pradeep or written to the hon. Prime Minister as well as Haldiya. to the Ministry of he concerned department Shri Uttam Bhai Patel but no action is beling Therefore, I submit to the Union taken. Through you I would like to demand Government to take immediate steps to that arrangement should be made 10 pay ensuere supply of crude oilto Barauni refinery . salaries to the employees of CAPART. And and also enlave its existing production Hthe Govemment threatens them to dismiss capacity. from their service it will we illegal. I demand that they should not be dismissed. [English) Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir, my second SHAI RUPCHAND PAL (Hooghly): It is point is that there is a leprosy hospital named good that the hon. Finance Minister is here. Gandhi Kushth Nivaran Pratishthan in He has always been assuring this House that Bhabhuwa district of Bihar where medical the public sector banks will never be assistance is given to 20 thousand pattnts. privatised. But we find that in the case of This hospital is constructed in 6 acres of land Industrial Development Bank of India (lOBI), and the Govemment of India is bearing its theapaxbodyfordeveloprnentofourcountry, expenses but that money is being misused. there is a systematic attempt to partially Now this Prathisthan is closed from privatise and weaken it. 28.11.1989. Therefore, I demand that Govemment should take overthis Prathisthan No publlcfunding is being made avaUable and do not hand over it to anyone else. to it and attempts are going on to take away its direct leading function. This will be very SHAI MANYAY LAL (Samastipur): Mr. harmful for our economy because all these Deputy Speaker. Sir, Barauni is the only years lOBI has been contributing a lot for our industrial area of North Binarwhere refinery, industrial development, for the health of the fertilier plants and thermal power plant are economy. Now in the name of new economic located. Crude oil is Supplied to Barauni pollcy,llberalisation. new economic reforms, . refineryfromAssam, from which nepthaand the institution which as been built brick by furnace oil are produced and supplied to brick through toil, through the labour, through fertilizer plant and thermal power station the contribution of whole nation and the respectively. But sufficient crude oil is not people of the country, they are being being supplied to this refinery for last 10-12 weakened and its function is being diluted. years, as result this refinery has come in the verge of closure. Hundreds of small factories I would urge the Government to desist Including thermal power station and fertilizer from splitting IDBI and taking away Its primary plants have reached the verge of closure as role direct financing, direct lending and it a result thereof. Barauni refinery is the second should made public lunds adequately oldest refinery in Indian oil sector. Aefinery available to lOBI. capacity of Mathra and Baroda refine rises set-up much later has been increased SHRI HANNAN MOU.AH (Uluberia): serveral times while refining capacity of Sir. I would like to draw your attention to a 175 Passport AUGUST 20, 1992 (Amend.)Bill 176 [Sh. Hannan Mollah] We are going that Hospitalfortreatment ' and we are also referring cases. This is a serious problem. In Rammanohar Lohia very serious matter. Because of the Hospital where were we ali MPs go for connections of that doctor w'ith high ups it is treatment, there in the names of heart surgery, going on. illings are g:)ing on. In the last our years, 42 patents have been killed, I wi! not say died I suggest that an inquiry commission and he record have been manipulated. should be appOinted with the Director of AIIMs, POI, Chandigarh. and the specialists There are two types of hared diseases. firm the Vellore Hospital. as members For young people, it is pneumatic heart immediately, This type of practice should be surgery. through whether the (CMV). stopped immediately. operation in the hospital. In our. country. there is avery foolproof system, of that I suggestthat the Health Ministershould operation, for which only Rs. 500 to Rs. 700 take care of this and I also request that the are spent and its is well done all over the Government should come forward to save country. the lives of the people from this situation. But. Sir. one Cardiologist who is not a SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: I would like Surgeon and he has very high connection to bring to the notice of the Finance Minister . with a persons hOlding very high position on a news item which has appeared in the New ourcountry. With that power he is violaling all York Times, (Interruptions) the rules and organising what is called Balloon Valvuoplasty. . AN. HON, MEMBER: Sir, I want to speak. This is a new system. These balloons are used in the advanced Western countries MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: Do you want instead of operation of the rheumetic heart. to speak on heart? Everyone has got a heart, For that one has to purchase a balloon there is no doubt about it. costing Rs, 30,000 in foreign currency. About 50 to 60 such balloon have been purchased SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: In that in one year, but hardly fir four or five have news item it is mentioned that the World. been used in the Ram Manmohan lohia Bank has asked the Government of India to Hospital . I am total that 45 per cent close down some of the public sector commission, being taken by them. tlOdertakings and to withdraw the subsidy that is provided to the farmers for fertilizers. Earlier a heart specialist, Dr. Nigam There are 58 sick public sector undertakings used to there. ~ut he had to go. He was and those undertakings have been referred disgusted. He left because of he disgusting to the BIFR. A special Tripartite Committee situation in thV Hospital. Because of the has also been constituted and there are a close links of some doctors with high ups number of sub-committees which are these balloons are being purchased and 45 examining the viability of these public sector per cent, they are getting as commission. undertakings. When the BIFR is examining, And in that way. so far, 42 people have died. and also the Special Tripartite Committee is This operation is a social type of special also examining, and also the sub-committees which is suppose done on young unmarred are examining. how has the World Bank women. The latest victim, the patient who asked the Government of India to close died on 8th July was one Ved Prakash .. This down the public sector undertakings? This is situation has been going on. There is a derogatory and humiliating to our country. purchasing committee. But the.saiddoct~r is not calling that committee. He IS purchaSing We knowthatthere are some chronically himself That way, the experiment is going sick units and siCkpublicsectorundertakings: on. There is a possibilityfortheir revival. Without 177 Passport SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) (Amend.JBill 178 reviving those public sector undertakings the andtothe FertilizerCorporation of India., But budgetary support has been stopped. As uptill now not a single paise has been provided such, the salaries of thousands of workers to the fertiliser units of Hindustan Fertiliser and employees of public sector undertakings Corporation or Fertilizer Corporation of India. have not been paid. The prodllction in Barauani, and Goraghpur have been stopped. Even in Durgapur unit, Today a news item has also appeared in . production has been stopped because that the Economic Times that the Haldia unit of unit did not have money to purchase furnace Haldia Fertilizers - Dr. ChinJa Mohan, the oil. So, I demand that the Finance Minister Minister in charge is here, he should clarify should make a statement on this here. - is being sold out. We know that the World Bank report is there, and what has been SHRIMATIMALINIBHATIACHARAYA stated, in it, that this unit has never produced (Jadavpur): Sir, the Bhopal Gas Disaster is a tonne of urea. or NPK, or sulphuric acid. weighing on the national and international conscience and it is to this that I want to draw From 1982-86 tne Haldia unit has the attention of the Government. particularly produced 75 metrictonnes of Urea, Sulphuric the concerned Minister. who is here. acid, NPK and other types of fertilizers. The Government has not contradicted the report Sir, recently a Bill was passed giving the of the World Bank. In the other House, Shri Commissioner certain powers. But now it Rameshwar Thakur made a statement. I seems that a large number of victims who demand that the Finance Minister should suffer from gas related aHments are going to make a statement... .. {lnterruptions) be denied compensation. As per the present records of the Directorate of Claim, Madhya MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: The common Pradesh and the scheme for compensation practice is that when the Chair is standing, disbursement dtawn by the Central the hon. Member who is speaking should Government, at least 65 per cent of the take I)is seat. There are many hon. Members victims named by the toxic gases will not who want to raise other issues. Secondly, receive any compensation at all; the vast the matters which are to be taken up under majority of those who will receive relevant rules are also brought there in Zero compensation will receive rediculously low Hour. Since today happens to bethe last day . sum after inordinate delay. Just about 8,000 of this Session, I am allowing all Honable claimants h'ilVe been heard and only 300 Members. It is the grace of the senior cases have been finalised in the Claim Courts Members togive an opportunityforthe junior which are functioning. And no gas victim has Members to speak. So, kindly complete been paid any compensation so far. If the quickly. work goes on at this rate, then it will take something like ten years to complete the SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Sir, I process: There is an alternative scheme demand that the Finance Minister should presented by some of the victim make a statement on this. In other House, organisations, which proposes a waiver of Shri Rameshwar Thakur made a statement. medical categorisation. (Interruptions) Here also I demand that the Government should deny that the World Bank has asked MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Madam, to close down the units and inform why the kindLy just understand the situation. There budgetary support has been stopped. On are also a number of Bills to be taken up. the 7th August, myself and Shri Chaturanand Please conclude within a minute. Mishra of the other House met the Finance Minister. At that time. the Secretary. SHRIMATIMALlNIBHATIACHARAYA: Expenditure and the Secretary, Fertilizer I just want to draw the attention of the were also there. The Minister assured us Government to this altemative scheme. I that the workin.g capital would be provided to . want the Government to take up this all the units of Hindustan FertiliserCorporation alternative scheme althe highest leve!.1 alsQ 179 Passport AUGUST 20, 1992 (Amend.)B;1/ 180 [Shrimati Malini Bhattacharaya] 1500 kms for way from Gujarat. want the Govemment to meet the victims There has been a categorical organisations or to send a Parliamentary commitment from the Govemment of IndIa, team to Bhopal. Now, the rehabilitation as stated in a letter dated 15th May, 1990, centres also have been closed down. It must that Tapti field had been earmarked for the be found out why these rehabilitation centres . power plants at Pipavav, in Gujarat. The have been closed down before the Government has approved the proposal of disbursement of State Government to set up two power plants compensalion .. (lnterruptions) each with a capacity of 615 MW at Pipavar. However, no progress could be made on this SHRI RUPCHAND PAL (Hooghly): We projeci as there is no provision of resoources want to know the Government's reaction In to develop this field. this regard. A very important issue has been raised. I am sorry to state that a matter that is causing great concern to the State SHRIMATIMAUNIBHATIACHARAYA: Governmel)t and to the people of Gujarat is let the Minister respond. (Interruptions) . the reported move to link Tapto gas fields to . HBJ pipeline to meet the demands from the SHRI HARISH NARAYAN PRABHU up-country's States. ZANTYE (Panaji): Sir, there are reports in the newspapers regarding drastic fall in drug In view of the above, it is urged that- production and consequent acute shortages of essential and life saving drugs in the Commitment for brinning Tapti gas to country. The situation has been aggravated Pipavav inSaurashtra for power generation due to inordinate delay in the announcement should be fulfilled, There should be no of the new drug policy. prioritisation in meeting one commitment vis-a-vis others. The gas earmarked for any The phenomena of paucity of drugs is project should be utilised only forthat project likely to assume alarming proportion if the and should not be diverted to meet shortfall announcement of drug policy is delayed elsewhere, further causing immense hardships to the patients. Prioritis~:1tion, Hany, should be in favour of using gas for power generation in locations May, I therefore, urge upon the where coal is relatively inaccessible, so as to Government to take serious note of the avoid uneconomical cross-transportation of matter and provide forthe much sought relief energy resources. to the drug industry normalise the availability of essential drugs. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA (Andami:ln and Nicobar Islands): Mr. Deputy SHRI KASHIRAM RANA (Surat): Mr. Speaker, Sir, Andaman and Nicobar Islands Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to draw the is the most backward and remote Union attention of the Government, through you, . Territory where facilities after school towards the serious matter in GUjarat. education are not available. Our students are fully dependent upon the Central The people of Gujarat are already Government for imparting higher education. extremely apprehensive aboutthe impending Every year Central Govemment allocates power crisis. No .coal increase has been seats in MBBS, Engineering and other given to Gujarat during the Eighth Five Year professional courses for the students of this Plan, where coal is relatively inaccessib.le. educationally backward Territory. like in the The power stations of the Gujarat have to past years, this year also the Union bear uneconomical cross-transportation Government has allotted seats for charge because the coal minfts are 1000 to Engineering, MBBS and other professional 181 Passport SRAVANA20, 1914 (SAKA) (Amend.)8i// 182 courses. Mostofthe colleges and universities between him and two other cadets. Since in the country have either closed their then he is missing. His dead body has also • admissions or are closing the admissions. not,been recovered. His parents are running Unfortunately, due to the callousness of the from pillar to port. The Govemment is not Andaman and Nicobar Island Administration, paying attention to the sQn of a retired ieats allotment has not been done even oady. I understand that a petition has been .soldier, who was likely to be given .iled before the hon. Supreme Court. Though Commission in a few months time. Written no formal Stay Order has been passed by complaints have been lodged with the Police the Hon. Court yet the Administration and Station as well as with the Commandant of the Ministry of Home Affairs, are not at all National Defence Academy, Khadakwasla acting and trying to understand that this year Shri Anantrao Sharma, father of the cadet all this students in the Union Territory of has met the officers time and again but Andaman and Nicobarlslands will be deprived neither My whereabouts of his son have of getting admission if these seats are not been found nor his dead body has been allotted immediately. I say this because everyday I find that small Union Territories recovered. I would like that the Government are being deprived in many ways and the . should make an inquiry into this matter. Government of India are not taking any National Defence Academy is a prestigious interest in this matter. Now students unrest institution, cadets from all over India come is going on in the Island and this may there, if there lives are not safe here, if there accelerate further. Hthat happens, the law is no diSCipline in the Academy then as to and order situation will become bad and how there will be diSCipline in the army. violence may take place. That is why I would Therefore, through you I demand from the like to warn the Union Government that they Union Govemment that this matter should are playing with the fire. They should resist form doing so and should immediately instruct be looked into. the Andaman and Nicobar Administration to allot the seats so that the students are SHRI KAMLA MISHRA MADHUKAR allotted seats... (Interruptions). You try to (Motihari): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am lmderstand the complex nature ofthis, Sir...... thankful to you for giving me time to speak. (Interruptions) The main issue at this juncture is that 2 crores people of North Bihar are facing MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The famine conditions. There is severe famine in Government of India also has understood Champaran, Muzaffarpur, Sitamadhi, your problem. Gopalganj, Siwam etc. districts of North Bihar,. The entire North Bihar Is in the grip of SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: Hthe famine. The Govemment of Bihar is not able students are not getting admission this year, to face tflis crisis. Therefore, I would like that this will be very serious matter. Government should pay attention to it and send a team there. The Government should [ Translation] . waive off loans, increase irrigation facilities, make arrangements for supply of power and PROF. PREM DHUMAL (Hamir) Mr. water and provide jobs to the labourers so Deputy Speaker, Sir, through you I would like that they may be saved from starvation to draw the attention of the House towards otherwise entire North Bihar will be in grip of law and order situation in National Defence severe famine. Today people of North Bihar Academy, Khadakwasla. Suresh Sharma, a are repeatedly crying for help. I urge the cadet from my constituency was taking Union Govemment to save North Bihar and training there and was likely to be given take some special steps and provide special commission within five months. He was also assistance to the Govemment of Bihar for rewarded by the Commandant on 9th May, saving the lives of famine affected people of 1992. On 10 the May there was a quarrel North Bihar. 183 Passport AUGUST 20,1992 (Amend.)B/1I 184 [English) Alongwith it, I want to draw the attention ofthe Central Govemmenttowards the whole SHRI HARADHAN ROY: (Asansol): Mr. of the Chhota Nagpur Santhal Pargana. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the workers of Raniganj . Severe drought has hit this area as this year Group of Works of Burn Standard Company there were no rains. This area is surrounded limited, a Government of India undertaking, by hills and jungles. The cultivation has been were enjoying encashment of unavalied sick affected as there has been no rains and the leave by virtue of an agreement dated people are compelled to move away to some 30.4.1964. Suddenly the management other places. Therefore, my submission to stopped the encashment facilities causing the Govemment is that the whole of the serious tension in the units. Also the Chhota Nagpur Santhal Paragna should be management is refusing to discuss wage declared a drought hit area and the relief revision issue forthe last 13 years though the work shoul~ be started. (Interruptions) country is experiencing high price rise during the period in question. The management is SHRI BEEHRU LAL MEENA not even willing to sanction interim relief for (Salumbar): Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, the rail the workers during the period as perB.P.E.'s facilities in Rajasthan is not sufficient and circular and hon. Calcutta High Court's there is not even a singal fast train. Despite7 ' orders. All these are causing hardship forthe many assurances by the Rail Ministry the workers who are doing their best to maintain meter gauge lines have not been converted the production line and point. into broad gauge. All the express trains which pass through Rajasthan have old I, therefore, request the hon. Ministerto engines due to which the trains reac~es by impress upon the man<\Qement concerned 4 to 6 hours late. I represent the tribal to be reasonable and settle the issues dominant district Udaipur. Whenever I have amicably soon so that industrial peace in the travelled from Delhi to Udaipur or Udaipur to unit is maintained. Delhi, I have often observed that the train . reaches by 4-5 hours late. The distance [ Translation) between Udaipur to Delhi is 750 Kms. Only but the train'takes 24 or 26 hours, wherea~ SHRI RAM T AHAL CHOUDHARY the distance between Delhi to Calcutta is (Ranchi): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the 1500 Kms. and the train reaches its condition of the Ranchi University, Ranchi in destination from 17 to 24 hours. Therefore, Bihar State is worsening day by day. The my submission is that conversion into broad employees have been on strike there for gauge line should be done in Rajasthan and many days. The examinations are not being in the meantime new rail engines should be conducted in time which causes delay in the provided to all the express trains so that the declaration of results. trains can reach their destinations in time and the passengers should not face any It has turned into a centre of corruption problem. and goondaism. There is nothing in the name of administration there. All this is going DR. LAXMINARAYAN PANDEYA on due to the Vice-Chancellor. The staff (Mandsaur): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, dueto there do not get the salary in time and the the disorder in the public distribution system same is delayed for many months. All these of the Central Government, there are many reasons led to strikes and movements due to States to which the desired quota of which the teaching work has come to a foodgrains is not being supplied. Due to that stand-still and the future of the students has those states, specially Rajasthan and Madhya. been dar1 available. therefore. there is the problem of The Sports Authority of India had passed a proper functioning of the public distribution resolution in 1989 through which the demand system. The State Government has · to set up a centre Lucknow was put uP. but recommended to fix the quota of 1 lakh 98 it has not been considered so far. In this ~qusand and400 metric tonne forthe whole regard. I have come to know that the Uttar st ite instead of three kilogram per person. Pradesh Government has drawn the attention Tt e State Government has also demanded of the Central Government towards it I would tt set up foodgrain depot in 10 districts. like to submit to the Hon. Prime Minister where these have not heen set up. Besides through you that the sports centre for the it. the transport rate forthe foodgrains shou Id Central area should be immediately set up at be raised from 25 to 40 rupees to meet the LucknoW in Uttar Pradesh. enhanced expenditure on transportation these days. These rates for transportation SHRI aHOGENDRAJHA (Madhubani): are applicable since 1986. Once again I Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir. the Han. Prime submit that the scarcity of rainfall is there Minister in his speech delivered on 15th of and the problem of foodgrains is severe August from the rampant of the Lal Quila and therefore the Central Government should even the hon. Agriculture Minister in his l1ake available the foodgrains in proper speech in the House had said that there is quantity. I want that the hon. Minister should good situation of the country in the field of give a statement on it. agriculture due to the rains. Under such circumstances I do not believe it. The major SHRI SATYA NARAYAN JATIYA part of the Northern Bihar is under severe (Ujjain): Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir. Madhya drought condition. In 1933. in my childhood Pradesh is the largest producer of soyabean I had witnessed that it was a flood prone in the country. Due to spraying of Die Uran area. There are rivers like Bagmati. Budi medium 80 W.P. class for protecting it from Gandak. Kamla and Kosi. I have suggested the weeeds in a tehsil of Ujjain district. the tothe hon. Agriculture Minister as to how the soyabear. crops of more than one crore has · irrigation should be done there. Many rivers been destroyed. The manufacturer of this have dried ~p which were once a major '7~dicine. Die Uran 80 per cent class. West cause of floods. But still there is enough Company had advertised and marketed this water in these rivers. Watercan be drawn out medicine to protect it from the weeds. I had from these rivers. if the pumping sets are submitted to the hon. Agriculture Minister provided. The branch canal of the Western about the which have bgen crops destroyed Kosi canal has not been constructed. that is due to the use of this weedwide and I want to why the people can not take the advantage submit once again that they should be of the water of that canal but if water is compensated and the medicine. which has provided specially from branch canal then caused destruction should be banned and the land of that area can be irrigated. H legal action should be taken against its private tubewells are. provided than they can manufacturers. be saved from the famine. Therefore. my submission is thatthe irrigation facility should DR. MAHADEEPAK SINGH SHAKYA be provided in Madhubani Darbhanga. (Etah): Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir. I want to Sitamarhi. Champa ran and Sahar:sa districts. draw the attention of the hon. Prime Minister In the present circumstances the towards an issue of public importance. There arrangements should be made immediately. is a special importance of sports in our Paddy can be grown there since the soil country and there is the need to set up a there is good for paddy crops. The yield will Jports centres forthe organisation of sports be 80 per cent if not hundred per cent. But • activities. Therefore. the Government has it can be achieved only when the irrigation set up sports centres at Calcutta in the facilities are provided there. When I said to Eastern area. at Board in the Western area. the officers they replied that they would try. and at Bangalore in the Southern area. You construct an earthern dam. which can Keeping in view the importance of sports. · irrigate 10-20-50 thousand acre of land and. 187 Passport AUGUST 20, 1992 (Amend.}Bill 188 [Sh. Bhogendra Jha] [ Translation] the officers said that it can be possible but SHRIMATI GIRIJA DEVI {Maharaj our services will be finished If the floods hit Gann: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, while the area.· I have assured'them that it Is my discussion on drought and exploitations ~e responsibility. Therefore, my submission is going on in this House, a reference to m~ that they can still be saved from the famine. · may sound odd; but when a policy regarding Dams can be constructed on the rivers and the culture is laid out by the department of water can be released in the canals and by Human Resource, It Is my duty to point out providing subsidy on the private tubewells the wrong things that are being done In the the P.V.C. tubewell can be installed since departments of the Government. iron is very costly. If all this is done then not only the Rabicrops but also the paddy can be 16.00 hrs grown. My SUbmission to the Government through you is that the Govemment should Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir,lt in matter of pay special attention towards it. regret that the tradition of Indian Culture is not properly followed .in the country even , [English] alter repeated assurances. Music Is the.l~ of Indian culture. The cassettes which afa SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO played in trains and airlines represent the VADDE (Vijayawada): Mr. Deputy Speaker, . core and kernel of Indian culture. Not only Sir, Vijayawada is an important city next only this the niceties of music and moods of the to Hyderabad in Andhra Pradesh. It is located musician is elso highlighted. If these things ce.nti'ally in the coastal Andhra district. East are violated it.would amount to insulting the Godavari, West Godavari, Krishna Guntur whole of Indian culture. There are, at times, and Prakasam districts have achieved many tourists from abroad who travel through considerable agricultural development these trains and airlines and relish the Indian because of more than centuryold irrigation music. I would like to cite an example of my system of Godavari and Krishna rivers made experience while I was taking a journey by by the eminent engineer Saradar Cotton. Rajdhani Express. The reception startjld This has resulted in the progress on with the tune of Shanai. It is something re~ economic, social and educational fronts. · very good; but there is a rule of playing , People of these districts who are having ragas' as to which' raga' should be played savings with them are contributing at which time. If that is not followed, it is an substantially to the developmental projects insult to both music and to the musician by way of bonds, shares in the companies or whose cassette is being played. That day it mutual funds etc. In addition to the Share was the cassette Bismilla Khan who is a Brokers Welfare Association which was musician of national and intemation repute. inaugurated by the Deputy Chairman of the I remember, with the dawn of evening travel Planning Commission sometime back, four the cassete of rag' Bhairavi ' was played. more organisations have come upto help the Similarly,. once I was returning from Bombay , investing public. There is an urgent need to by Rajdhani Express, the tune of music that open an authorised Stock Exchange under the cassette was playing that day was the Securities and Exchange Board of India melodious eno'ugh, but it was an untimely' Act. I urge upon the Union Government to Jogia raga' being played around 6 o'clock in immediately take note of this issue and take · the evening. Evening is the time of playing further steps for opening of an authorised decent' ragps', but the playing of ' Jogia Stock Exchange at Vijayawada under the raga' during that hour spoiled the mood. I Securities and the Exchange Board of India also watched that many tourists from abro2fd Act to streamline and p-otect the interests of were also undertaking the joumey at that the investing public of coastal Andhra districts time. The importance of music may be mentioned above. neglected in ourcountry, and we may tolerate 189 Passport (Amend.)Bill 190 this tense of negligence of music, but the of Patna for the last three days. The hon. impacts of music are being recognised in Chief Minister of Bihar apprised the hon. f9reign countries too. A research has been Prime Minister of the alarming situation by '-1 tried outto assess the medicinal irll>act of sending him a S.O.S. message yesterday. n' usic on the health of mankind. In the light He told th~t the situation was going out of 0\ these facts, Violating the rules of music is control so a Central team should be sEint a gr ~at Insult to Indian music. Even in many there. Through you, I would like to request ,ships, a popular cassette Is played· during the Central Government that a team of noon time which should, as a matter of fact, experts should be sent there immediately to be played during evening. What I am speaking prevent this mysterious disease which may may sound very odd, yet, I would like to cause death to lakhs of people. A few people submit that what I am speaking should be · have been hit by this disease by this time. conveyed to the concerned Ministries. And The doctors. there have not been able to when crores of rupees is spent, I would like diagnose this dise~se which is rapidly to submit that an Advisory Committee on spreading. I WOUld, therefore, like to submit '~ian music should be set up to protect out that the Central Government should sent a Alture. team of experts and make the immediate arrangements for proper medicines to check SHRI PRABHU DAYAL KATHERIA this dis~ase. The Govemment should take (Firozabad): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would up the needful steps on war footing to check like to draw your attention towards my the spread of this·mysterious disease. The constituency of Firozabad. In Shikohabad people are frightened like anything. People Assembly Segment of Firozabad there is a · are worried, but the cause of this disease has national highway which is one of the.largest riot been traced, No medicine is effective on national highways of India. There is a railway the pati~nts. This is, therefore, a very crossing across the national highway in important question. It is a question of life and Shikohabad. The label crossing is usually death for those who are hit by this disease. <:.Iosed for many hours every day. Many They are poor pig keepers who belong to the .. ,~ns go through this line. Because of the category of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled closure of the label crOSSing traffic movement Tribes. The pig keepers belong to both the on this national highway is suspended for categories. Scheduled Castes and many hours. This results into much wastage Scheduled Tribes. There is every possibility , of time for those who go through this way. H that this disease may also spread to another some one is seriously ill and he is being taken places. to hospital through this way and if at the same time the label crossing is closed the Through you, I therefore, would like, to patient dies in that case even before he is · request the Central Government to take this taken to any doctor. Many such events have issue seriously and make the necessary already taken place on that spot and it is arrangements to prevent the spread of this regularly taking p1ace.lwould, therefore, like mysterious disease by sending a central to demand form theGovemmentthat keeping team. in view the demand of the people of Firozabad Parliamentary Constituency an overbridge SHRI JAG MEET SINGH BRAR should be constructed so that the pro!:>lem of (Faridkot): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, first of the people may be solved and they may be all I would like to express my thanks to you ~}ved from facing troubles, for providing me time to speak through you, I would like to draw the attention of the SHRI DEVENDRA PRASAD YADAV Govemmentto avery important and sensitive (Jhanjharpur): Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, issue. Since my turn has come very late, I through you,l would like to draw the attention may kindly be given two to three minutes of the Government to an issue of urgent definitely to speak. public importance. A mysterious fatal disease is breaking out among the poor pig keepers The' Operation Blue - Star' took place 191 Passport AUGUST 20, 1992 (Amend.J8ill 192 in Punjab in 1984. A very tragic event took On our part, we have been approaching place at that time. With that the Sikh the Govemment for last 8 years in this Reference and Research library has been regard. We approached the then 'Prime • shifted. This library had many books of Ministers, Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singtr.. historical importance and there were Shri Chandra Shekhar and others but those' reference on freedom struggle and Anglo records have not been returned to the Sikh war. It contained references on sacrifices Shiromani Gurudwara Prabandhak made by the people of Punjab in the freedom , Committee. struggle. Besides, there was a telegram sent by Mahatma Gandhi hi~seH in which he had Through you I would like to request the congratulated the freedom-fighters and Government that the army has the list of all wrote. the records. In the absence of these records the research scholars too are faCing great [English] inconvenience. In order to solve the Punjab problem and assuage their wounds, at least, ·We have won the first battle offreedom. their records of history and traditions should be returned. [ Translation] Finally, I would like to say that if this suggestion is not accepted, as I told here. All the documents and journals of the Sikh Reference and Research library were [English] collected and a listthereof was prepared. But it is very regretful that even after 8 years all " Many are those who talks like the the historical assets which we related to roar of the sea but their lives are freedom struggle, have been shifted to Meerut shallow and stagnant like rotting Contonment and placed at the disposal of marshes ". the headquarters of the 15th Infantry • Battalion. [ Translation] Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, through you, I This impression will go to people Of would liketo submit that all the Sikh traditions Punjab who still love their country and who have been totally ruined. But there were , are ready to shed even the last drop of their some historical records. There were records blood for the sake of the country. about the first Lahore conspiracy case in which martyr Kartar Singh Sarawan was [English] hanged to death in 1919. Complete records of this historical event were available in the SHRI GANGADHARA SANIPALLI Library. Records of history of Gadri Baba, (Hindupur) : Sir, during this monsoon, we are Jalianwala Bagh Massacre and two years witnessing heavy rainfall in all the regions of imprisonment given to Jawaharlal Nehru by our country whereas my constituency in Britishers in 1921 and 1924 at Jaiton in particular and Anantapur District in general Punjab have been Shifted to Meerut. The have received scanty and erratic rainfall. In records of events of freedom struggle in my Hindupurconstituency only 50 percent of which thousands of people sacrificed their the farmers have sown the groundnut, the lives and sang: remaining 50 per cent have not. Groundnut is the main commercial crop and chief sourc," "Mufahamat na sikhao jabro narwan se of employment generation and is the main mijhe, source,of income to the poor, small, marginal and big farmers. Ki main sarbakaf hoon.lada do kisi bhee bala ,se mujhe • It is the main nutr~lonalfodderto animals. 193 Passport SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) (Amend.}Bill 194 Now the sowing season is over. All the criminalization and fin"ancial farmers and agricultural labourers are in criminalization. disarray. Employment in rural areas has , come to a standstill. Hence I request the 5. Under this order the bureaucratic '~CentraIGovemmenttosend a team of experts control will increase in dairy industry to my District and survey the conditions and consequently the cooperative prevailing there, and sanction special grants sector too will be affected badly. from the Central Government to the victims Therefore, I request the Govemment to of drought, and provide employment to the reconsider it because this orderwillencourage agricultural labourers through alternative corruption and redtappism means. And also, supply of fodder to the cattle should be looked into. [English] [ Translation] SHRI K.P. REDDAIAH YADAV (Machilipatnam): Respected Deputy MAJ. GEN. (RETD.) BHUWAN Speaker, Sir, though this House has ~ CHANDRA KHANDURI (Garhwal): Mr. discussed the bank scandal many times, I Deputy Speaker, Sir, through you, I would want to bring a specific issue before this like to draw the attention of the Ministry of House. I have gone through the references made to the JPC in which an important thing Agriculture, Government of India to Milk and was missing. It was not referred to the JPC. Milk Products Order, 1992 which was issued In the case of JPC, the references made are • on June, 9, 1992. On account of this order : to identify the persons who are responsible there is great resentment among the people for committing these offences etc. One thing engaged in milk production. This order is missing. The Govemment have lost Rs . contains the following unusual things. . 4000 crores.lnthe reference it was mentioned how to get back the money etc. But the 1. The milk sellers will lose their middle-class people, the lower middle-class freedom to sell milk on their own people who have purchased the shares and they will be paid arbitrarily by during this year, during the complete 12 ., tt:le institution and they will be months, they have invested about Rs. 50,000 exploited because the monopoly of crores. We do not bother if the Government loses this Rs. 4000 crores. It can afford. But the institution will be established the middle-class, the salaried people. the there. lower-middle-class people have lost nearly Rs. 40,000-50,000 crores in this country by 2. With the enforcement of this order way of share purchase and no reference was lakhs of people engaged in dairy " made or given to the Joint Parliamentary industry and employed in milk Committee. marketing management will be on the verge of unemployment. They I want to be on record once again, Sir, will not be permitted to purchase milk. Smallenterprenurers and milk sellers who are directly linked with milk-consumers will be deprived of SHRI E. AHAMED (Manjeri): This is not correct. their occupation. The number of such people is 7 lakh. MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: Shri K.P. Reddaiah Vadav, it is notfair.lf you have got 3. Consumers will be made available any allegation, you can talk to them; speak milk and milk products at to them, give it to them in person. It is not fair comparatively higher or prices. to allow it to be on record. To that extent we . are removing it. 4. This orderwillcrea1e an atmosphere of corruption, politicisation, (lnteffuptions) ··Expunged as ordered by the Chair. (Amend.)Bili 196 SHRJ K.P. REDDAJAH YADAV: You growers are suffering due to inadequate delete it. I am not going to protest against it. sugar mills particularly In Tlruvannamali, (Interruptions) . Sambuvarayar District, North Areot Ambedkar District and Chengatatlu District. immediately, the Govemment should The farmerS are suffering very much since take a decision to take over all the share the sugar mills are not able to weigh the registers from the Registrar's office and also sugarcane In time after cutting. And mills the registers in the stock exchanges In which authorities make the farmers to walt for two the names of the purchasers and sellers will to three days for weighment. Therefore, the be there. H we take a share of Swaraj part oftonnage of sugarcane Is reduced. The Mazada, one share off Rs. 1Q went up to Rs. farmers . lose their Income. Permission for 600. Now it has come down to Rs. 80 or Rs. letter of intent for Pollur Cooperative Sugar 100. They have got Rs. 400 as the profit. Mill is pending with the Central Government Now where has this Rs. 400 gone? Even the . for a long time. I, therefore, request the cement company's share of Rs. 10 has gone Central Government to grant the letter of up to Rs. 200 or Rs. 500. Where has the intent for starting a cooperative sugar mills at difference gone? The Govemment should Pollur T.S. District where sugarcane is immediately locate that money and after the available more.(lnterruptions) settlement of this share market. thedifference should be given to the lower and middle class SHRI SUDARSAN RAYCHAUDHURI salaried class people of this country .• The (Serampore): Two or three days back Govemment may forego Rs. 4000 crores but Government offered the House to have its the people of this country are not able to policy on NTC mills discussed. (Interruptions) • forego Rs. 50000 crores. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please do SHRI SARAT CHANDRA not make cross talks. PATTANAYAK (Bolangir): Hon. Deputy Speaker. Sir. the adult programme which SHRISUDARSAN RAYCHAUDHURI: .. was continuing in the Kalahandi District of But unfortulJately, we have no time. So, Orissa during 1985-89 was stopped after through you,l would like to draw the attention 1989whentheJanataDalGovemmentcame of the House and the Government on some to power. But I am sorry to say the State of the major ailments that are afflicting NTC Government has not sent the proposal to the mill of the eastern region in the States of Central Government regarding the adult West Bengal, Bihar, Orissa and Assam. programme. When late Shri Rajiv Ghandi AdequaJe fund which is needed to run mills had been to Bolangir district of Orissa, he has not been provided to the mills there. has expressed his views in a public meeting There is no modernisation and no stating that adult programme should be comprehe'nsive scheme has been extended from Kalahar.di District to Bolangir . materialised either for modernisation or for District. Without that programme, the people renovation at any point of time to the mills of of Bolangir district are migrating to other this subsidiary so that the Eastern region neighboring States for their livelihood. sub~idiary can run independently. That is why, I request the Government Secondly, there is a dearth of supply of through you that they should pressurise the raw materials to the industry like cotton, coal State Government and the StateGovernment and other inputs. These have been should send the proposal regarding adult tremendously affecting the production of the programme in Bolangir district and the adult mills and as a result losses are IncreaSing • programme should be implemented in the every day. Under the circumstances we Bolangir district of Orissa. request the Government of India particularly the Textile Ministry to ask the Cotton SHRI M. KRISHNASWAMY Corporation of India to Increase its credit (Vandavasi): In Tamil Nadu the sugarcane . limit. The annual credit limit has come down 197 Pass{- SRAVANA20, 1914 (SAKA) (Amend.)Bilf 198 • from Rs. 4 crores to Rs. 250 crores. That R&garding the pensions, whatever he should be increased to the limit of Rs. 10 has said, that wewililook into it •• (lnterruptions) clOre per year so that the mills can get at least the cotton and they can be run. Thank Please do not play politics with. sports . you. ·O.K. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now Shri MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I think Chelan Chauhan to speak. You should be Mamataji does not reserve her opinion until very brief so that other Members could also tomorrow, be accommodated. Now Shri Bhagwan Shankar Rawat to SHRI CHETAN P.S. CHAUHAN speak. Rawatij, we have taken lot of time, so (Amroha): Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir, through please be brief. you, I convey my appreciation to Minister of State for Youth Affairs and Sports for brining SHRI BHAGWAN SHANKAR RAWAT out the new Sports Policy. It has been (Agra): I will finish my speech in two minutes, mentioned in the new Sports Policy that Sir. incentives will be given to the sportsmen to both young as well as youth. Also,. for the ( Translation] first time companies - private as well as public sector companies -are being roped in Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, NOIDA is an for the promotion of sports in the country. In industrial area in Ghaziabad district of Uttar this regard, I would like to make two Pradesh. The Central Government is suggestions to the Minister, who is present discriminating with the Government of Uttar here. One is that because the sportsmen Pradesh. Arnodel industrial city was proposed , spend most of their youth in the sportts, I to be set up there with Indo-Japanese would suggest that reservation should be collaboration. Forthis purpose, the Japanese given in the jobs to the sportsmen because team selected NOIDA as an ideal site. that will look after their future. Also, instead . Though all requisite resources were available of giving money by way of incentives for there for setting up industries, the wining the medals, I suggest that giving Government of India shifted this project to pensions should be thought of for the Gudgaon under political pressure. I demand sportsmen, once they stop playing or once from the Government of India not to overlOOk they retire from sports. These are the two the interest of NOIDA particularly of Uttar suggestions and I will appreciate if the Minister Pradesh due to political adversity and shifts who is present here could consider them. this project to Gudgaon. It should examine Thank you. this suitability on Gudgaon and NOIDA on merit basis, and set up this project in NOIDA THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE only. MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT (DEPARTMENT OF [English] YOUTH AFFAIRS AND SPORTS AND THE DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD SHRI E. AHAMED: Mr. Deputy Speaker, DEVelOPMENT (KUMARI MAMATA Sir, through you, I would like to bring a very BANERJEE): Sir, I appreciate his sentiments important matter to the notice of the and whatever that he has expressed Government. Several passengers have been regarding the job reservation, we have harassed by the security staff at Bombay already included it in our policy. H he goes Santa Cruz Airport. Those who have to go to through the policy, then he will find it. Also, places like Calicut, Cochin and Trivandrurn, , we have set up one Rajendran Committee while passing through the security checks, for this matter and he has already submitted will be extorted money by the secur.ty staff, his report and that is why, we are in favour of and many of their materials are beingpilfered it. . during the X-raying of their luggage. 1 99 Passport AUGUST 20. 1992 (Amend.)Bill 200 [Sh. E. Ahamed] [Translation] This has been on and even in this House SHRI RAM NAG INA MISHRA ( I have raised this matter several times. Only Padrauna)~Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have five days back, when some of the passengers been trying to raise my pOintforthe last three have been harassed by the security staff, days. I would like to draw your attention one lawyer who happened to see it, filed a towards a serious issue that there are 30 complaint with the higher authorities at that lakhs farmer families in Uttar Pradesh which time. And those police officials have been cultivate sugar-cane. The existing condition suspended by the security officials then and is that billions of rupees of sugar cane there .. (lnterruptions) Sir, I may be protected. cultivators is outstanding against the sugar I am raising a very important matter about mills. Today the sugarcane cultivator wants the passengers coming from the Southern to hypothecate their slips but the credit of States. Those passengers who are coming that slip has fallen to such an extent as no from the GuH area and going to places like businessman wants to hypothicate these Mangalore, Calicut, Cochin and Trivandrum slips. Intensive agitations are going on and will not have enough time to file the complaint. the mill managers are being Gheraod. I Only when a vigilant passenger like the came to know that in comparison to other advocate who happenedto see it, complained . States 12 percent less sugar has been about it. released from Uttar Pradesh last year. Godowns are full of sugar and the sugar is This matter has been raised in the Rajya not being released causing non payment to Sabha yesterday. Th&Chairman who was in the farmers for their sugarcane supplied to the Chair directed the Government to make sugar mills. an inquiry and necessary report should be brought before the House. I may avail this In oomparison to sugar released from occasion to plead with you that you should Maharashtra and Gujarat six per cent less also give a direction to the Government sugar has been released from Uttar Pradesh because these innocent passengers have this year arid godowns are full of it. I request been duped and harassed and also put to to the Government of India to release hardship and difficulties by the security sufficient sugar from the Uttar Pradesh so personnel. Therefore I shall be very much that the farmers may get their payment of thankful to you if you would direct the sugarcane. prior to it loan worth billion of Government to make such an inquiry about rupees has been waived of. The slips which the ill-treatment olthe bona fide passengers. are given to farmers are like cheques. The Civil Aviation authorities should also be Therefore,l would like to submit that payment directed (0 take care of the passengers. should be made to the farmers by hypothecating their slips. And afterward the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The Banks may get their payment from the mills Government has sufficiently heard it and along with the interest on the basis of these they will take all necessary measures. slips. In this way the mills can adjust their accounts with the Banks. It is very essential. SHRI E. AHMED: Once the Chair will . SLIgar cultivaters will get relief from this step give the direction, the Government will otherwise they are very much puzzled. definitely look into it Sir. KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: I shall MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Both the informthe Minister of Food ..... (lnterruptionsj Ministers are here, there have heard it. [English] KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: I will pass on this information to the Parliamentary SHRI YAIMA SINGH YUMNAM (Inner Affairs Minister. Manipur): There i.s a great necessity for 2011J:.A..C.. Repetr SRAVANA 20, 1914 (SAKA) Maners under Rule 377 202 opening a Railway Booking Office at Imphal mention that on the one side the Pakistani in Manipur to facilitate the passengers who foreign Secretary has emphasised that travel by train and board it either at Dimapur Pakistan is willing to settle the Kashmir issue or Guwahatl. For passengers who board the within the ambit of Shimla Accord, in bilateral train at Dimapur, facilities for reservation of relations, during his five day visit to attend their seats and berths at Imphal are 'to be the sixth round of foreign Secretaries level made available. For the passengers who talks and on other side, the Pakistani talks • have to travel by air from ImphaltoGuwahati are frequently increasing their anti-accord and board the train at Guwahatti, facilities for activities firing on Indian poSitions. So, it reservation of their seats and berths in the should be taken very seriously and I demand train must be provided at the Booking Office a statement from the Defence Minister in the at Imphal. Hthese facilities and conveniences ' House .. (Interruptions) are given, the number of railway users will increase. I urge the Railway Minister to take MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We shall now necessary action promptly in this regard. take up matters under Rule 377 •(Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It is my experience that nobody is completing his MR, DEPUTY SPEAKER: Zero hour speech in one minute. cannot be extended for the whole day. ( Interruptions) . (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Your name MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There is a was also called but you were absent then. limit for this. ( Interruptions) ( Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There is a MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We should limit for it; and the time extended should not not subject ourselves to bitter criticism. result in abuse of it. (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER:: The House MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Anna shall now take up Joshi. Matters under Rule 377. Shri Bhagwan ( Interruptions) Shankar Rawat. SHRIANNAJOSHI (Pune):Sir,lwould MAnERS UNDER RULE 377 like to draw the attention of the Government to a news item appeared in Times of India (I) Need to allow U.P. dated,. 17th August, 1992 with the caption· Government to set up a Pakistan Troops firing frequently • which Agricultural University In states that the Pakistan troops fired 337 Blchpurl, Agra times on Indian position from January to July this year as compared to 300 times in the [ Translatiori] same period last year in Jammu Rajasthan Secretariats whereas the Indian forces replied SHRI BHAGWAN SHANKAR RAWAT: only 84 times during the same period to quell (Agra): Balwant Singh College located at to Pakistan firing in the same period. Agra is one of the oldest Agriculture Colleges of the country. After independence more Sir, in this connection, I would like to agricultural colleges and agricultural 203 Matters under Rule 377 AUGUST 20, 1992 Matters under Rule 377. 204 (Sh. Bhagwan Shankar Rawat] 1)~1}d. te~ltone f~cility 1$ being provided itlpldlY In the different parts of the country by Universities have been opened in Uttar the Government, but on the other hand Pradesh but Rajya Balwant Singh College of telephone consumers are facing a .lot 9f Agra has not so far been converted into an problems dueto inefficiency and inactiveness , Agricultural University. of the telephone department. Defective telephones non-materislisation of S. T.D. calls Seeking permiSSion to set up Raja and the negligance of telephone staff towards Balwant Singh Agricultural University, the the trunk booking calls have become a Govemment of Uttar Pradesh has requestea generall complaint these days all over the the Union Govemment and its institute I.S.A. country. Sitapur district in Uttar Pradesh is but the permission has not been given so far. also not spread from this problem. Telephone of the consumers here are mostly remain Therefore, I urge upon the Union out of order. Telephones in rural areas are ~ovemmentthat itshould give permission to mostly in dead condition and it is a matter of the Government of Uttar Pradesh to set up regret that despite making the complaints an Agritulture University in Uttar Pradesh there are .not repaired for weeks. rrunk and permit it to convert Raja Balwant Singh bOokil'lg facility has become worthless, There College Bichpuri, Agra into an Agricultural is norespCll'!sefromthe exchange for booking University. . the calls despite the continuous ringing of bell. Tired of this, the consumers of Biswa, (II) Need to lay new rail line Maholi, Hargaon and Laherpur have to come In Beed district, to Sitapur causing wastage of money and Maharashtra time. And they are compelled to think that telephones are only for I?cal calls. SHRIMATI KESHARBHI SONAJI KASHIRSAGAR (Beed): Beed district is the Therefore, I urge upon the hon. Minister most backward district of Maharashtra. The of Communications to take stern action so as population of Beed district is 20 lakhs. Due to to improve efficiency and competence in the , lack of rail line, the development of the department so that telephone users may district could not take place. The take its full advantage and provide S.T.D. Government's policy is to develop backward facility at Biswa, Maholi, Hargon, Laherpurin districts on priority basis. In Beed district, Sitapur district. Ahmadnagar-8eed-Parli new railway line has not been given any recognition so far. I [English] always tried inn this regard. Primary survey has also been conducted. Unless there is (Iv) Need to expedite the railway line no industry can flourish there. work of various Power The number of unemployed persons is Projects In Orissa therefore increasing day by day. I, therefore, request the Union Government to give . SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY recognition to the Ahmednagar. Seed Railway (Puri): Sir, the bleak power situation in Orissa line and to make provision for laying a new stands on the way of its industrial growth. Railway line also on priority basis in Beed The State now represents a power deficit of district for the development of the district. 43.3 percent as against the all-India average of 7.9 per cent. But power generation is (III) Need to Improve the indispensable for both agriculture and telephone services In industrial growth. Provision of adequate the country, particularly power in the State will provide an important !{l 5ltapur district, U.P. role for future economic development. In spite of the best efforts and substantial . SHRI JANARDAN MISHRA (Sitapur): investment made by the State Government; Mr. Deputy Speaker: Sir, today on the one the estimated unrestricted power demand 205 AIarters unc:ktr Ru/S 377 SRAV ANA 20, 1914 (SAKA) Matters under Ru/s 377 206 will represent a deficit of 22.7 per c:ent althe failing sick due to shortage of electricity. end of Eighth Five Year Plan. Hence, Central Rural electrification has not made much Govemment should taken up the follewing progress in.that State as compared to other power projects of the State forthwith on ,States. ' priority basis: the IB Thermal Power Project, Stage -II; Talcher Thermal expansion' B ' In order to remove the power crisis, It is Project; Baragarh Head regulation Project; essentialto take immediate steps to generate and Baimela extension (7th and 8th Units) additional power in the State., The proposal projects. to set up several power stations in the State, including the coal-based thermal power (v) Need to Introduce direct station at Kharagprasad and Durgapur in trains from Barellly to Dhenkanal district, has been appending since ,Bombay and South India long. I request the Central Government to clear these two thermal power plants [ Translation] immediately and set up during the current financial· year. , SHRI SANTDSH KUMAR GANGWAR (Bareilly): Mr. Dep.uty Speaker, Sir, Bareilly (vii) Needtorepalrthebrldge ,is a major industrial metropo,lis of Uttar on N.H. 17 across Pradesh but there is no train service either Sharavtl at Honnavar for Bombay or for the Southern part of the expeditiously and to country from here. Moreover the various Instal weigh bridge, to trains passing through Bareiily does not regUlate transit of have adequate reservation quota from vehicles Bareilly. As a result of it the passengers at BareUly station have to face a great SHj:U V. DHANANJAYA KUMAR Inconvenience. I urge upon the hon. Railway (Mangalore): Sir, before proceeding to the Minister to introduce trains between Bareilly subject matter, I would like to congratulate and Bombay and the Southern parts of India. , you for allowing every Member Sitting here to The reservation quota should also be speak in the Zero Hour. I hope the House will increased in all the trains passing through appreciate that you have been in the Chair Bareilly. formorethan five hours wHhout even breaking for lunch. (vi) Need for early clearance to thermal Power The transit of passengers and cargo Stations at Kharag between Mangalore and Bombay is totally prasad and Durgapurln paralysed on account of the prohibition for Dhenkanal district passage of heavy passenger vehicles and Orissa goods vehicle through the bridge across Sharavathi river at Honnavar on N.H. 17. [English] The prohibition is imposed under the guiseof savage caused to the bridge and provision is SHRI K.P. SINGH OED (Dhenkanal): . made for transit of smaner vehicles with ' Sir, the State of Orissa is facing severe unladen weight upto six tonnes. Iron girders power crisis and is affected by power-cot are erected on either side of the entrance to every day. While power deficit is the main the bridge and heavy vehicles are carried in factor for the power crisis, the unplanned Barges. It is experienced that vehicles power-cut for several ho~rs. both during day carrying weight of more than six tonnesare and night, has added to the misery of the allowed to pass through the bridge during people. Due to this, the people remain night by. taking bribe. The Barge operators . confined to houses and the students are not are swindling the public. A heavy passenger able to study. The farmers in Orissa do not vehicle with 35 passengers would weigh get electricity for irrigation. Industries are much less than six tonnes. Therefore, it is 207 Matters under Rule 377 AUGUST 20, 1992 Matters under Rule 377 208 [Sh. V. Dhananjaya Kumar] (Ix) Need to formulate a comprehensive plan forthedevelopment proposed that transit facility for bonfide of Pushkar Sarovar, Rajasthan passengers through heavy passenger vehicles may be provided by removing the PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT (Ajmer): iron girders and to regulate traffic movement Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, under rule 377, I In conformity with the permitted load, weight would like to state that Pushkar, in district bridges may be set up on either side of the . Aajmer (Rajasthan) is majorpilgrimage place. entrance to the bridge. Necessary steps to h is also a place of faith of corers of Hindus. complete the repair work of the damaged Lakhs of people from each and every comer bridge may be expedited. ofthe country and even from foreign countries come to Pushkar on vaious religious (vIII) Need to set up more L.P.G. occasions for religious purposes. h is the outlets in Salumbar only temple of Brahma in the world. Fromthe Parliamentary Cons tituency, Rajasthan point of nature and environment also, Pushkar is an attractive place and here is the holy Pushkar sarovar in which the lakhs of • [Translation] devotees take religious dip. SHRI BEHRU LAL MEENA (Salumbar): Due to the continued extension of Thar Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, my Parliamentary desert and the cutting of trees on the Arawli Constituency is a tribal dominated and hill . hills, the eroded soil of the mountains which area. The indiscriminate cutting of jungles is flows with the seasonal drains has been continuously increasing here. In the absence continuously sedimenting in the Pushkar of any L.P.G. Gas Agency, in rural areas, the Saraovar. The water of the sarovar has dried up and the natural sources of the sarovar people are faCing great difficulties in cooking have also been blacked. As a result of it, the food. 85 percent people still live in villages. In lakhs of pilgrims who visit here forthe purpose many legislative assembly constituencies in of taking bath in the sarovar, are unable to urban areas, 8 to 10 gas agencies are take bath and this their religious feelings are functioning. In myconstituency, Pratapgarh, getting hur1. The thousand of priests have Tagwara, Salumbar, Kherwara, Gircha and . been rendered jobless. A number of foreign Javar Mines are all big towns and in each tourists also come to Pushkaron the occasion town, there is a population of about 30 of fair and other occasions, thus the country thousand. The population of the surrounding is earning a lot of foreign exchange. Pushkar is of great importance from the point of villages of these towns is apart from that. tourism also. Since the ages the significance Municipal Committees, educational of Pushkar has always been in the history institutions, Govemment officers and medical and culture of our country.·it is also very centres etc. are situatfld in these towns. I important from the point of history, religion urge upon the Central Government that a and social unity . • survey should be conducted in all the above mentioned seven tribunal dominated areas Therefore, to protectthe religious, tourist, to provide the facility of Gas Agency so that historical and cultural importance of Pushkar the people of my constituency can avail the the Environment and Tourism Department . of the central Government should prepare benefit of this facility and the jungles of this an integrated programme to dredge out the tribal area can be saved from being cut sedimented·soil from the Pushkar sarovar down. I urge upon the Government that and to stop the further erosion of soil; keeping in view the protection of the aforestation should be started on the hills to environment, immediate attention should be stop the growing desert, check dam should paid towards it. beconstructed and a· Pushkardevelopment 209 Matters under Rule 377 SRA VANA 20, 1914 (S/~IJ l~fanl Milk Sl)bstitU~e, 210 . f, 1ng 'anJes & Infant Fa 'I . ~ eg, 0 prodLJ5!~f!lb3trCgl'BiJl scheme" should be formed. The State Deputy Speaker, Sir, It is true that It is Government has also sent acomprehensive decided through ballot as to which issues are scheme in this regard to the Central to be taken up for discussion. But I had given Government. a notice under Rule 377 with aviewtorisethe problem of my constituency. That mamer Therefore, to save the identity of did not come us in the ballot. I would like that Pushkar, the Central Government should every Member should be given opportunity prepare a Pushkar Area Integrated to raise the problem relating to his development Plan and it should be included . constituency. Of balalot system is to be in the ' Aravli Development Scheme and continued then some method should be Desert Control Scheme' being operated with evolved so that all the names are covered. the help of the Government of Japa!) and the World Bank. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You have expressd you feelings here. I thank you for that. (x) Need to formulate a scheme for the fanners of Bihar to enable them to cope with the natural 16.48. hrs calamities [English) SHRI NITiSH KUMAR (Barh): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, though the main source . INFANT MILK SUBSTITUTES, FEEDING of livelihood of the people of Bihar is agricuhure BOTtLl;S AND INFANT FOODS yet most parts of the State depend on rain to (REGULATION OF PRODUCTION, meetthe requirementofwaterforthe purpose SUPPLY AND DISTRIBUTION) BILL of irrigation. The irrigated land of Bihar State is not more than 20 percent and the remianing THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE land depends on rain. This year, there has MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE been a little rain. Here paddy is the main crop DEVELPPMENT (DEPARTMENT OF of kharif which is sowed in 60 per cent area YOUTH AFFAIRS AND SPORTS AND THE of the State. But this time there is a shortage DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD of water due to scant rainfall in the State. DEVELOPMENT (KUMARI MAMATA Some agricuhure experts have advised the BANERJEE): farmers to sow paddy crop even if there is insufficent water. h is better to produce On behaH of Shri Arjun Singh, I beg to whatever is possible than not to produce. It move. is the opinion of experts that 20 to 40 percent producttion can be had from the paddy crop " That the Bill to provide for the sowed even in insufficent water. In Bihar regulation of production, supply and State, agricultural production is below half of distribution of infant milk substitutes, the production of advanced states in the feeding bottles and infant foods country. Therefopre, the financial position of with a view to the protection and farmers there has not been good. This year, promotion of breast·feeding and the average rate of production is likely to ensuring the proper use of infant decline further. foods and for matters connected therewith or incidental thereto, be Therefore, through you, I request the taken into consideration", Government to introduce at least one new scheme to this year to provide relief to The salient features of the Bill are as farmers of Bihar so thatthey are able to cope follows: with the natural calamities. (i) It regulates the production, supply DR. P.R. GANGWAR (Pilibhit): Mr. 211 Infant Milk Substitutes, AUGUST 20, 1992 (R6g.ofProduction,su~y 212 Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods & Distribution) 8171 [Kumari Mamata Banerjee] extends even to three years imprisonment with fine upto Rs. and distribution of Infant milk sooo/- substitutes and feeding bottles and infantfoods (also meaning weaning (v) . Offences under this Act have been foods) made congnizable and bailable. (ii) nattempts to regulate the sale and Slr,l request hon. Members to give their sales promotions of breast milk suggestions to this and support this Bill. This substitutes through the following Bill Is pending for the last 10 years. In 1981, set of measures: the world Helath Organisation adopted the Intemational Code for Marketing of Breast (a) Prohibiting advertisenmentsforsale Milk Substitute. Afterthis the Govemment of or supply of infant milk substitutes India after having consultations with various and feeding bottles. organistations adopted the Indian National Code for Protection or Promotion of Breast (b) Prohibiting promotion of use of Feeding. In 1986 the Parliament passed this infant milk substitute Bill in Rajya Sabha but due to dissolution of ~ok Sabha it was not passed. This Bill was (c) Prohibiting donations (except in again introduced in 1991 but again due to orphanages) and distribution of dissolution 'of lok Sabha it. could not be samples of infant milk substitutes . passed. We introduced this Bill again on the or feeding bottles. 8th May of lhis year. Shri Ram Naik also broug ht a Private Member's Bill in this regard. (d) Prohibiting donations of information Attheattime I assured the House that we will or education, equipment relating to bring this Bill from the Government side. breat milk substitutes of feedingg bottles. I am not an expert in this field. I would IiketobE!guidedbyyoursuggestions.lwould (e) Stipulating compulsory labelling of like to say that this being the last day of the all containers of infant milk session, and many business lobbies are substitutes and infant foods with against the passing of this Bill, ftlr the future the interalia the following statement: of our children we should pass this Bill today. (f) Banning pictures of infant or a MR . .DEPUTY SPEAKER: Motion women or both on containers of moved: infant milk substitutes. • That the Bill to provide for the (g) Making it compulsory regulation of production, supply and to add to every educational material distribution of infant milk substitutes, dealing with pre-natal and post feeding bottles and infant foods natal care, the superiority of breast with a view to the protection and feeding and the harmful effects of promotion of breastfeeding and the bottle feeding. ensuring the proper use of infant foods and for matters connected (iii) The Bill also provides for powers of therewith or incidental thereto, be entry, search, seizure and taken into consideration ". confiscation whenever there is contravention of th provisions. Now mere are amendments to motion for consideration. (iv) loe Bill provides for penalites for the contravention of various PROF.RASASINGHRAWAT (Ajmer): provisions and the highest penality I bea to move: 2131nfant Milk Substitutes, SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) (Reg. of Production, 214 Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods supply & Distnbution) Bill • That the Bill be circulated for the In accordence with the assurance given by purpose of eliciting opntlonthereon ·the Minister. Alongwith this, two important by the 15 October, 1992.-(1) things are associated with It. In the entire world, the week from 1st to 7th August is [ 1'fanslation] celebrated as Breast Feeding Promotion Week. You might have seen 15 days ago SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay North): Mr. that programmes relating to this week were [teputy Speaker, Sir, I whole-heartedly being celebrated at several places' in India. s'_.'pport and welcome the 'Infant Milk Substitutes, Feeding Bottles and Infant Food I believe that people are now conscious (Regulation of production, Supply and to the fact that this things got much Distribution) Bi!I, 1992.' importance: The hon. Minister has probably . forgotten, but I would like to remind him that Hon. Minister of State Mamataji has the newly elected President is going to explained that she was not an expert; inagurate the National Child Survival and therefore, any suggestion relating to it will be Save Motherhood programme at 50' Clock welcomed. I would like to inform the House today. This Bill has, therefore, come for , :"et I have given 76 amendments to this Bill. discussion on a right time. I support it. 'liter introduction of the Bill, I contacted .nany doctors, societies and discussed these 16.58 hrs. amendments with them. So these 67 amendments are based on the advise and [SHRI PETER G. MARBANIANG in the information provided by them. Chialj SHRI SURYA NARAYAN YADAV The World babyfood code was adopted (Saharasa): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there eleven years ago and it took eleven years is no quorum in the House. . to us as to reach this stage. I therefore, believe that'now there should not be any [English) further delay in passing the Bill. : " MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Let the 17.00 hrs. Quorum bell be rung ... In English I would say MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now, there is Quorum. [English) [ Translation) The battel cif breast and the batttle of bottle is fanally coming to an end. SHRI RAM NAIK: (Bombay North): Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, I was saying that [ Translation) there are some issues which are always above party politics. It also falls under the I believe that this battle is now coming to same category where political parties have an end. This Bill was brought forward time no difference and it can be passed and again but it could not be passed. I was unanimusly. I feel happy while supporting passed by Rajya Sabha and then come to the Bill. I had introduced a private member Lok Sabha but Lok Sabha was dissolved. Bill in the House on 30th August, 1991, on the Last year 11 was again introduced in the Lok ~dme subject. At that time, the hon. Minister Sabha, but again the Lok Sabha was had assured that the Govemment would dissolved. For the third time, I brought bring forward a comprehensiove Bill on it. forwaed my private Member Bill which was One year has passed. No doubt, It is a long . supported by the Govemment. I withdraw period. But it is better late than never. I am that and now it has again been brought glad to see that the Bill been brought forward forward. I w6uld like to submit that the Bill 215 Infant Milk Substitutes, AUGUST 20, 1992 (Reg. of ProductIOn, supply 216 Feeding Bonles & Infant Foods & Distribution) BHI rSh. Ram Naik] some cases, mothers do not have in their breast milk. We cannot do anything In suC,h should be passed by the Lok Sabha today cases, butthe most objectionable trend fouOd and should be sent to the Rajya Sabha. In among mothers is that the mothers ref~ case, the Lok Sabha is disolved for any from breat~ feeding from beauty point l' unforeseen reasons, it will be passed by the view. They believe that their beauty will be Rajya Sabha which is a permanent House. lost if they breast feed their children. This is In this cntext. I welcome this Bill. a misconcept which is prevailing among women. The case of mothers refraining from There are many importanfthings in it. As breast feeding is found more among such I said earlier the work of breast feeding educated women. A general survey wa~ promotion is being done by many non conducted in this regard in the city of Government organisations. Many compaigns Bombay. According to the report of that for this cause have been launched by them survey 80 percent women belonging to in the last ten years. I on behalf of this economically upper class refrain from breast House, would like to thank those organlscllion feeding. BeSides, 64 percent among working for their contribution. class educated women refrain from brea~ feeding. On the otherhand, there are only 1tl [English] percent such cases when the poor clas women who serve as maid servants and (1) Association for Consumers Action who do phYSical labour refrain from breast on safety and Health, ACASH, Bombay. (2) feeding. Voluntary Health Association of India, Delhi. (3) Coaliation of Protection of women and The infant food producers launch and Children. (4) Consumers' Guide Society of aggressive and effective advertisement and India. (5) Indian Academy of Pediatrics. publicity. They publicise it as if their product is the substitute to mother's milk. They give [ Translation] the impression that breast feeding spoils the beauty of mother and therefore, mothers The contribution of these organisations should adopt some substitutes. nt,; in this regard is commnendable. I would like aggressive publicity is launched throughout to express y gratitude to them. They have the country. It is being carried out in India done the work of awakening the masses. To even today. Many multinational companies get mother's milk is the birth of every child. are doing it. We have in our country an infant For mothers it is a matter of duty. food producing company like Ammul. I think that people are influnenced by the [English] advertisements launched by these companies. The' present Bill is an important It is not only a duty but also a privilege one for reducing the impact fit such advertisements. ( Translation] We observe that the culture of feeding It is very importantforthe children to get the babies with bottles is prevailing among mother's milk. Mother's milk is one of the the educated persons of the society. When blessings that nature has bestowed upon a baby is born, the mother prefers bottle mankind. It is, therefore a duty of mothers to culture and aims at awakening the people of breast feed ttheir children. The child who the society. does not get mother's milk is unfortunate and the mothher who for any reason, does I think that the message regarding the notbreastfeed herchild is also an unforunate value of breast feeding should be conveyed mother. to the society from here. It should also be conveyed from other plateforms because a Breast feeding is a natural process, In mother and a child ultimately form one 217 Infant Milk Substitutes. SRA VANA 20, 1914 (SAKA) (Reg. of Production. 218 Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods supply & Distribution) Bi/I biological unit. When a baby is born the milk we take account of food being consumed by of its mother is naturally suitable.forthe baby mother and the milk that she breast feeds, from every point of view. Mother's milk is, we will come to know that mother's milk is therefore, a complete food for babies. economically cheaper. ~ Moreover, it has been observed that when a baby Is fed nothing else except on mother's [English] milk for four, five or six months, the baby is more healthy. It has also been observed that It is more profitable economically also. in India the per year cases of infant morality within one year of birth Is 10 lakhs.· H [ Trans/ation] mother's milk is properly fed to babies, the Immmunity in themto fight against diarrhoes This is soeven from health point of view. that can cause even death, develops in them. In this context there is a great Mr. George Fernandes is not present at importance of mother's milk. the moment. When this Bill was introduced in the past by the hon. Minister. Mr. George There is one more point which is of great Fernandes protested it. He opined that if importance. When a mother carries breast such a type of 8ill is passed it will help the feeding it automaticaly gives promotion to international advertisers, for example, star the family planning programme. During the T. V. ect. they will make advertisements and breast feeding perod of, say, nine, ten eleven consequnetly. Indian Television and Indian or twelve months, that is to say the time by Radio will not get offers for advertisements. which the baby is grown up, there is no This will suffer loss to the country. All the chance for the birth of a second baby. 8 reast countries of the world have now come to feeding, therefore, is a natural way of family accept it that under the provision on the . planning. Secondly, there is a much more international code they will not do chance of diarrhoes and other diseases advertisement for such baby food when the baby is fed with a bottle. The water manufacturers. used for making milk in bottle may be yconntaminated, the food being fed to babies I feel what Shri George Fernandes had .may also be enhygeinic. The nipple used in said at that ·time is not correct in preseent feeding bottles may not have been properly context. All right, advertisement has been disinfeeted. At times, the mother gives the restricted. It appears from it that it will lead bottle to the elder brother- sister to feed the to less production baby of food. It is not baby who do not do that job carefully. All being prohibited due to it. There is restriction these lapses may invite diseases. Some on giving baby food to one aid child. I do not persons have gone to the extent of saying think that this will render workers jobless. that if mothers are sincere to breast feeding to their babies, it.will help save the electricity I have given several amendments ofthe or other fuel that is uded for boiling the mlk. 67 amendents, three are importants. This This' 8ill is important even from this point of . 8ill is mainly about infant food and feeding view. bottle. I have given an amendments to the effect that pacifier must be added to it. When From the health point of view such a child feels hungery and weeps, mothers advertisements should be banned legally. It put a treat into its months, which gives a would however, not be a cOlT1plete legal ban feeli.ng to the child as if it is sucking milk and because there are able some laws that it stops .we~ping. Pacifier should be icluded support it. Mr. Chairman, Sir, you will be in it. This is my first amendment. My other amendment is that there is use of three or surprised to know the in!ant food of worth foutwords like infant food and feeding bottle. Rs. 720 crore is sold here. It is right that I have given a seperate definition of when a mother is incapable of breastfeeding, prohibited' goods. Repetition 01 same words she has tq feed artificial milk to her baby. If is not good. The definition of infant food is 219 AUGUST 20, 1992 220 ISh. Ram Naik] 17.13 hrs. incomplete and varge. The definition of STATEMENT BY MINISTEA infant food given in the Prevention of Food Adulturation Act. I want that the definition of Enhancement In Pension of Freedom infand food is given in that Ad must be the Fighters In Union Territories of Deihl definition of infantfood. That is the agency to and Pondlcheny implement this Bill. If an inspector acts under [English] the provisions of the prevention of Food Adulteration Act and if the same inspector THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS acts under the provision of infant food law. (SHAI S.B. CHAVAN): Freedomfighters in then it may create confussion about the Deihl are getting a State pension of As. 100/ definition of infant food. So. the definition of - p.m. for those whose jail sufferings are infant fo09 is approporate from all angles in tl:lree months or more and Rs.751- p.m. for the existing law. My last suggestion is that those whose' jail sufferings are less than generally infant food is distributed free to the three months. In Pondicherry, freedom fighters are drawing State pension of As,. dooctors and meternity hospitals. There is 250/- p. m. In addition, those freedom fighters a provision in it to stop it. I have given be in Delhi who are getting Central pension are amendement to the effect that giving and being paid As. 1501- p.m. In Pondicherry, taking of such food should made a crime. 272 freedom fighters are getting Central pension. Out of these, 247 are getting an In view of all these pOints, its definition amount of Rs. 100/- p.m. as State pension should be made conspicuous only then it in addtion to the Central pension. can be implemented properly. In this Golden Jublee Year of the Quit The Bill provides that a complaint should India Movement, the Central Government has already increased the monthly Central be lodged with the Food InspectQrto ensure pension of the freedom fighters by Rs. 2501 its proper implementation. Who will lodge - p.m. It has also been decided to increase compalint. I have given amendment to the the State,pension of the freedom fighters in effect that the registered volutary Delhi and'Pondicherry.ln respect offreedom organisation working for the child welfare. fighters in Delhi, monthly State pension will and the protection organisation, and any be as under:- such organisation should be empowered to lodge complaints in cases where law is (i) Rs. 400/- p.m. in case of freedom fighters who had undergone violated. This is subject to be dealts with in imprisonment for at least 3 months details and I have made a long speech. I and below 6 months and who are thank you for giving me time to speaker on now being paid@ As. 100 p.m. it and support the Bill. (ii) Rs. 3001- p.m. in respect offreedom [English] fighters who have undesgone imprisonment for less than 3 MR. CHAIRMAN: Betorre I call the next months and who are now being speaker, I wpould request the hon. Minister, paid ~ As. 751- p.m. Shri S.B. Chavan to make a statement. (iii) Rs. 250/- p.m. in case of freedom fighters who are getting Central Shri S.B. Chavan. pension. In case of Pondicherry, the State penSion 221 Infant Mille Substitutes, SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) (Reg. of Production, 222 Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods . supply & Distribution)-Bill wll be at the following rates:- question of Freedom Fighters is an Important one but th.e question of mothers and the (I) State pension @ Rs. 400/- p.m. as . posterity Is more Important. Therefore, I against Rs. 2501- p.m. at present. wish you to maintain the dignltyofthe House and permit us to say something in this regard. (Ii) Rs. 2501- in case of those freedom fighters who are at present getting Mr. Chairman, Sir,l rise to welcome and Rs. 1001- p.m. In addition to the support this Bill. This Bill alms at maintaining Central Pension. the dignity of motherhood and also at envisaging the protection of posterity. It is It is proposed that this increase be really something pinching that in our count~ effected immediately. By this small token the where mother is considered greater than , nation renews Its g~atitude and respect to God, a Bill regarding breast-feeding has to those who dedicated their lives to the cause be brought. But what has beeen provided in of achieving India's freedom. this Bill, clearly shows that the Government has shown a responsible attitude. But as an (Inteffuptions) . han. Member has already said that the mother who do not Qreast-feed their infants include SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE the educated mothers and working mothers. (Panskura): Sir, kindly allow me one minute. This may be a topic for reserch for What about the pending cases which are newspapers. I am speaki ng here as a mother accompanied by adequate documents? and I am saying on the basis of what I have Please given an assurance on gained through my life time experience. that... (Interruptions) Mr. 'Chairman, Sir, the provisions of this MR. CHAIRMAN: Nothing goes on Bill are good as it has opposed the promotion record. of sub-standard milk and milk powder among mothers th rough advertisements by (lnteffuptionsj* exploiters who no only exploit mothers inducing them to squander their mo'ney but MR. CHAIRMAN: Please take your also deprive the posterity of health. This is a seats. Let me runthe Houseaccordingtothe welcome step. But what led to this situation? procedure and rules. Madam, you are a This aspect has not beengiven much thought. pretty Senior Member of the House. You The presentation of this Bill took a ve~ long know the rules. Please take your seat. time. In 1981, the then Prime Minister Late S·mt. Indira Gandhi signed an agreement Now we will continue with the item no. with the World Health Assembly and at that ,27- time we made our presenCe felt there that we prefer breast: feeaing to powder milk. But this decision of ours and that of UNICEF 17.18 hrs. could not be enforced on manufactures of . infant milk substitutes so far. And to what INFANT MILK SUBSTITUTES, FEEDING extent it will be implemented after this Bill is BOTTLES AND INFANT FOODS passed is to the seen. In 1983, some efforts (REGULATION OF PRODUCTION, were made in this direction and a Bill to this SUPPLY AND DISTRIBUTION) BILL efect was brought in 1986. But after being passed in the Rajya Sabha, that Bill could not [ Translation] be passed in the Lok Sabha. Since then we' have been observing that there has been MR. CHAIRMAN: Shrimati Girija Devi. laxity on the part of Government on such an important issue or ttlsk for the last eleven SHRIMATI GIRIJA DEVI· (Maharaj years and today we are going to pass this Gan]): Mr. Chairman, Sir, no doubt the . Billunanimolusly. Today everybodY is eager "Not recorded. 223 Infant Milk SUbstitUt8S, AUGUST 20, 1992 {Reg. of 'l~,t;;"uppJy 224 F88ding Bottles & Infant Foods . rJ} Bill . .... De 'J circumstances In which the WO.tdng mothers lShnmatl GmJa VI cannot manage 10 breast·feed their infants to pass this Bill in a responsible manner. and should think as to what provisions have Why do the mothers I'\ot breast-teed, there to be madeforthem. Just as the Govemment arB so many reasons for this. In Italy a opens child care ~~ntre~ and prov~s,~ny mother gets two months matenity leave other similar facllitl9s like lavatorl9s insIde before her delivery. She also gets four . the officers, it should provide clean retiring months' leave for breast-feeding her baby, rooms where lactating mothers may be which can be extended, if she wishes so. But breast -feed their infancts. Relaxation should what happens in our country? If she is a be given to lactating mothers in the duration permanant employee, she may get a of leave. If maternity leave is not extended maternity leave for three months and if for four to six months, then the period of temporary, then she cannot getthree months, casual leave may be increased. If not, my leave. The mother joins her duty even after other suggestion is that they may be allowed two days of her delivery sothat she may earn two hours' or four hours' leave during their her bread to enable her to breast-feed her working hours so that they may go out of baby. In this situation, if we saY1hat in order office and breastfeed fheir infants during to maintain the beauty, mothers do not want working hours. to breast -feed their babies, is a gross aspersion cast on them. Members may The is another important question. kindly for give me, there may be some There are mothers who can afford to breast exceptions amongst mothers but when feed their infants many times as they want even an animal gets restless to breast-food throughout the day but fail to satisfy their its baby, then why would a much more infants because they themselves don't get intelligent mother not like to breast-feed her nutritions diet to produce breast milk. In baby? It is not merely a question of such a situation the baby goes on weeping satisfying one's hunger but the Department and then the only alternative left for the of Health has proved that breast-feeding is mother is Ito but infant milk substitutes quite useful for baby's health and life. It also available in the market. In such a siMion if prevents infectious diseases. If mother this legislation is enacted, it will not be useful! < continue breast-feeding, it may delay the unless and until the prevailing situation next pregnancy. But at the same time it also continues and the mothers won't be able to causes a great loss to their health. This fact breast-Ieed their infants unless they get has been included nowhere in this Bill. But nutritious food. This is a fact based on some provision should be made to protect science and I am not talking anything the health of lactating mothers. meaningless since I am myseH a mother. Therefore, the Government will have to take Mr. Chairman, Sir. when the mother responsibility also. With these words, I joins her duty in office or in college after a support the Bill. month's leave. she finds no room in such places where she could breast-feed her [English] baby. She work in her office for 4-6-8 hours butthere is no provision for herto breastfeed SHRIMATI MALINIBHATTACHARAYA her baby. I recall a couplet: (Jadavpur):Sir, thisisalong awaited Billand as the previous speakers have said, more "Tifl mein boo aye kyon maa baap than once it was about to be introduced in ke etbar ki, the House. There was also Private Member's Bill on this. But for one reason or the other, Doodh dibbe ka piya, taleem hai this Bill has been postponed for several sarkar ki" years now. After all, it is our helplen~ss. The The World Health Assembly accepted Government should think over the the International Baby FooQ Code in 1981 225 Infant Milk Substitutes, SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) (Reg. of Production, 226 Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods supply & Distribution) Bill and India was one of the signatories to that We find that n Is not Just milk powder Code. Subsequently in 1983, India adopted which is produced by these big companies a nati~nal code for the protection and but also cereals and weaning foods are promotIon of breast-feeding. This long period produced. It is very important that they need !tetween 1983to 1992 has elapsed. But a Bill to advertise not only powdered milk for for the realisation of that Code, for the. infants but also the cereals and the weaning reinforcement of that Code has not been foods which are propagated as being brought. I think that there is an implicit absolutely necessary for the health and pressure at work behind this and that growth of your child. Parents are very pressure represents a very strong lobby, the . protective of their children. They think that lobby of multinational producers of baby their children are very special, the best food who are trying to hard sell their products children in· the world. Therefore; this in the market. So I welcome this Bill. weakness in parents is used by the advertisers to convince us that the cereals I would also like to say that some of us and weaning food are essential for the have brought certain amendements to the children. 13 ill. But we have not brought these amendments to obstruct the passing of the However, any qualified doctor can tell Bill. We are very eDger that the Bill should us that the cheapest and the best most be passed and n should be passed today. nutritious ~eaning food can be made at We have brought these amendments only to home and it is not necessary to get from strengthen the Bill and to give it more teeth outside. Apart from the mystique of the so that it can be truly effective. bottle orthe ti n. there is nothing special about these tinned baby foods which home-made The need for the Bill lies in the media weaning foods cannot supply. As such it is explosion which has taken place not only in necessary that not just powdered milk but our coonry but all over the world. The also weaning foods must not be advertised terrible power of multinationals to use the in this W3y. It has been said that this media to work upon the consciousness of powdered milk - or infant milk as it is called i-lossible consumers cannot be denied. And is to be used only when mother's milk is not what these hard sellers do is that even before avaiiable. That is, in other words, it is not they sell their product, they have to sell somehling absolutely essential where the through preaching the absolute necessity of mother's milk is available. It is not essential. a product. So, we are convinced through advertisements that if we do not use such But there is another side to this. It is not and such shampoo or such and such soap or just this that these baby foods are not if we do not feed our children such and such essential. But under certain context, brand of baby food, then we are leading particularly in the context of a developing useless lives. In this way the absolute country where a large section of our essentiality of the product - which is not population are still illiterate, still- through no really essential - is preached through the fault of theirs - are groping in backwardness, advertisements. Baby food, of course, is a· in that context they can become positively very special kind of consumer product. It is harmful: Please think of the rural women not just bought by individuals but it is also who have been given these tins of baby food. distributed through the health system. It is You are supposed to mix one spoon of baby prescribed by doctors. It is given to the food to one ounce of water. That water has 7Tlothers through the agency of health to be properly purfied. Nowwithoutthat kind workers. It is used in orphanages for babies of education of how the water is to be who cannot have mother's milk in any way. purified and how much baby food is to be As such there is need for a special Bill forthe added to how much of water etc., the children proper utilisation of baby food and to prevent cannot be properly fed. As a matter of fact the mis-use orthe inappropriate use of baby there are thousands of children not only in food. our country, but also in other developing 227 Infant Mille Substitutes, AUGUST 20, 1992 (Reg. of ProduGflon, supply" 228 Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods & Distribution) Bill [Shrimati Malinl Bhattacharaya] Feeding bottles and Infant foods·. we would like to substitute this by "Infant Foods, countries where this baby food .is thrust Feeding Bottles and PacHlers·. And the other down their gullests, but because of this amendment, amendment No. 108, Is relateg_ Inadequacy in mixing food or becasue of to this because here we are talking specifying impurities the children sufferfrom malnutrition the meaning of 'infant food' and we have said and from other health hazards, infections of that 'infantfood' shan have the same meaning all kinds. as defined In the Prevention of Food Adulteration Ad, 1954. Now in the Prevention Another point has been made by the of FoodAdulterationAct, 1954certasin kinds previous speaker, I wholly agree with it, that of complimentary food including substitues , not only is mother's milk is the best for the of breast ,milk are Included wearning foods baby, but also when the mother feeds achild are included and this infant food Is a that also prevents certain diseases in the comprehensive term which is accepted by motherand it goes as a kind of natural family . our legal system to cover all the different planning measure because so long as the kinds of baby food including milk and weaning mother is feeding the baby, pregnancy is not food whereas infant milk substitute Is t¥ there. So, the intention of this Bill is not that vague term which is not really accepted in these foods should be prohibited, but it has medical terminology. As such, we want a to stop unscrupulous and untruthful change in the title. advertisement and promotion that the necessity of the Bill is there. At the same Secondly. the other amendment that we time, Sir, Iwould like to ask why is it possible have suggested is amendmment No. 114. In for thesse big companies to promote their that, we have suggested that: products so sucessfully., Sir, it is just the affluent families who use these milk foods, "Provided that nothing In this clause but also they go down to the poorer reaches shall apply to the donation or of our social life. Among the middle classes, dis!ribution through the health care among the poorer sections of the population, system." what are the conditions in which woman live and work? Sir, 90 percent of our working Basically this should be removed, women are in the unorganised sector. because in accordance with the Indian atermnity benefits even are nil, they do not 'National Code for Praection and Promotion get any leave from there work when they of Breast Feeding, it has been said: give birth. Again, the nutrition of the mother , is something which is not provided for in our "No facility of a health care system social system at all. It is very very inadequate. should be used forthe purpose of So, whenthe Women and Child Development promoting infant formula etc." Department has brought this Bill, at the same time it becomes incumbent upon the We have suggested this amendment so Department, it becomes a responsibilHies that this BiII.may follow this directive which on the part of the Govemment to ensure that is given in the National Code. We have given mothers get sufficient nutrition so that they it also because the health system is likely to can feed their children, that in their working be misused by the promoters, by the places they are allowed those kinds of producers of baby food. benefits. those kinds of facilities which enable them to feed their babies. Then, there are two other amendments. Amendment no. 123 is forthe same purpose" Finally, Sir, I will talk about some of the so that the health system cannot be misused amendments which we have brought. One for promotion of these products. Th is Is why of the amendments that we would like to . we have brought in this amendment. move seeks a change in the title itseH. Whereas the title is "Infant Milk Substitues, Finally, the amendment no. 137 speclies 229 Infant Milk Substitutes, SRA VANA 20, 1914 (SAKA) (Reg. of Production, 230 Feeding Sonles & Infant Foods supply & Distnbution) Sill who are the people who make a compalint Chairman, Sir, It Is a very Important matters., in writing against any violation of this code. I have been associated with itthroughout my The Bill says: life. This Bill was introduced first in 1981 and · then agai.n in 1983 but could not be passed • • a person authorised In this behalf All the hon Members Including myself feel under sub-section (1) of Section that this Bill should be passed, however, It 20 of the Prevention of Food has many defects if viewed from medical Adulteration Act, 1954." point of view. The Bill has been introduced when the s;urrent session is about to be over. This is how it is present In the Bill itself. Therefore, extensive discussion cannot be ft is also Now Section 20. Sub section 1 of held on it. However, I would move only a few Food Adulteration Act says: amendments before I support the Bill because it is already too late. When I read "No prosecution for an offence the Bill, I found a lot of shortcomings. I have under this Act not being an offence been in Government service for 37 years. under Section 14 or Section 14 (a) Food inspectors worked under me during all shall be instituted except by or with those years. I also held the post of Chief the written consent of the Central · Medical Officer for 8 years in my own State. Government or the State Government or a person There are different opinions in the world authourisedinthis behaffbygeneral on the question of health. However, the or special order by the Central effect of our modern science, advertisements Government or the State of baby foods and the influence of foreign Government." culture haave diminished the importance of beast feeding, which was considered most This is left unspecified and in our essential so far. amendment we have specified it. We have said it should be a representative of a I would only submit that efforts should registered voluntary organisation enganged . be made to enforce the Bill effectively and· in child welfare and development, child convice the people of the important aspect nutrition and consumer protection, so that of it. Mamata ji has has said that the BillI was the complaint which is lodged becomes a introduced first in 1981 and then again in serious complaint. If you do not specify it, the 1983 but was not passed and that the Bill rules maynotbeenough forgiving us an idea must be passed now. I understand her as to the way in which the different consumer feelings. It is true that the mother is closer to organisations, women's organisations who her child. But the Government should also have been fighting for this cause for years take the intitiative in this regard and impose together may intervene effectively and they restriction on advertisements and sale of , cannot intervene in this if you do not take this baby food with an asurance that fine will be amendment into this Bill. imposed on infant milk substitutes. With these few amendments, I welcome I studied abroad for five years and still the Bill and I hope that everyone will join with · go there almost every year. I have seen the us in ensuring that the Bill is pased women in our country as well as those in unanimously and after the Bill is passed, we foreign countries. As the han. Member has can indeed ensure better health, better already demanded that the working mothers nutirtion for our babies and better working should be given there hours interval in a day conditions, better living conditions for our in the office to enable them to breast-feed mothers as well. their infants. [ Translation] I would not discuss the matter pointwise because it will take a long time. I would like DR. G.L. KANAUJIA (Kheri): Mr. to conclude as early as possible. A specific 231 Infant MIl< Substitutes, AUGUST 20, 1992 (Reg. of Production. supply 232 FeedIng Bottles & Infant Foods & Distribution) BlH [Dr. G.L. Kanaiujia) [English] The inspector Is not even a Gazetted point has been made and it has been proved Officer. He is a Non-Gazetted Officer. scientifically that chewing of teat by an infant is harmful health point of view as it creats ( Translation) gastric trouble. Therefore. it should not be given.• Some mothers give "ghulti' to their infants which is good from one point of view My submission is that the accused. no matter he is a Calss-l Officer, should be but harmful trom the other-good because n given severest punishment. Nehru had contains morphia and Ihus il is disgestive but JI its over dose works as sedative. It also also said that the food adulterators deserve proves harmful when the child is unfed. to be severely punished. There may be other Secondly. we will have to see how the reasons behind the food adulteration when proposed Bill will be implemented. Just now the infanl is given infant milk substitutes but I was going through the Bill which reads. the private and multinational companies are deliberately involved in adulteration. Once • [English] Pandit Nehru had said that the persons guilty of adulteration should Qe tied to a pole "Any food inspector appointed and gunned down. It indicates that he under Section 9 of the Prevention considered adulterators as the most wicked of Food Adulteration Act, 1954 .. : . criminals, and if taken from his point of view. the provisiqn for punishment in this Bill is [ Translation] inadequate. Now, the matter to think is that what post Secondly, as the hon. lady Member the officer was holding at that time when the has said that mother needs pre-natal and Act was enancted in 1954 and what post be post-natal care but I would like to say that the is holding now. mother ~hould not take much rest before deliverty. [English] [English] . "Any food inspector appointed under Section 9 of the Prevention That is the period when the mother of Food Adulteration Act, 1954 should be much more active. (Hereinafter referredto as the food inspector) or any officer not below [ Translation] the rank of a Class -1 Officer authorised in this behalf by the Rowever, in addition they must lead State Government (Hereinafter tension free life and have good quality food referred to as the authorised officer) because may, if he has any reason to believe that any provision of section 6 or [English] section 11 has been or is being contravened, enter and search. She is feeding hereseH and to the child. It must be very good and a balanced one. [ Translation] [ Translation] What I mean to say is that we want to keep tile inspector away in this matter For this the Government should make perta~l.; _.,; to food. The class -1 Inspector in the provison of subsidy allowance. two it. three months in advance, forthe expectant 233 want ..SUbst'utBS, SRAVANA 20, 1914 (SAKA) (Reg. of Production, 234 Fee{1ing Bottles & Infant Foods supply & Distribution) Bin mothers so that they can property feed the children. This is good from this point of vietv new born infants. also. Secondly, how will this be done? I have With thesewords,lsupportthe Bill and seen during my tourthat still advertisements also submit that these should be strictly are being made to promote this feeling. enforced. In addition to it advise of the Modem ladies, especially young girls are scientistis should also be taken on other preoccupied with the feeling that breast remaining issues and implemented. feeding is harmful to their beauty and physique. I would like to submit that this view [English] . is totally wrong because breast milk supplies antigens and antibodies which are good for SHRI GEETA MUKHERJEE the child and this also develop strong bonds (Panskura): Hon. Chairman, Sir, I first thank between mother and child. On this issue our young Minister for officially being able to enough literature is available. Therefore, bring the Bill for its passsage. On our part this feeling needs to be rooted out because , we have tried to help; her because of the breast milk is the best feed. necessity of this Bill being passed in the World Breast Feeding Week which began in Thirdly,l would like to submit as statutory September. We also wrote to the Prime warning is just printed on the Cigarette and Minister. Ad I think. all of us together probably liquour cartons regarding the adverse effects today have succedded in getting this Bill • of their intake. Similarly message that the brought in here. breast milk is the best feed should also be printed on the infant food cartons. No doubt First thing is that this breast feeding is thE; mesage is carried on the cartons but . our own culture very much. Ana it is strange wa'ys· 'and means should also be envovled that the West is falling it and they are to enforce it. Fourt,hly, I would like to submit declaring fir'st the World Breast Feeding tttat. we are hesitant to bring forward a Week. We are pround of our national modern cOmprehensive Bill in the name of tradition, And I think, those who would modern civilisation and modern culture and support this Bill should support with that idea also because we had been for a long time and also with that idea of getting it executed. influenced by the capitalism, which has changed our food habits and lifestyle. I would not repeat many things which have been said very congently by most of For shortage of time I would like to just our colleagues. But I shall point out one or submit that bottle feed in certain cases can . two things. Firstly, I will pOint out that prove to be substitute, but attention must be according to the UNO estimate; in the under paid towards creating an awarness as to developed countries one million death of how to feed with botte!. infants per year takes place because of health associated problems with bottle Regarding mother care, I would like to feeding. Imagine the seriousness. I Ylould submit that it should not be ingrained among like to mention that in our country Nestle is women that 4·6 months leave is essential, one of the multi·nationals; Glaxo is the other as in no other country such a long leave is multi-national. But Gujarat Amul is no less in granted. However , in some countries like this regard. All these industrialists have • France and England and recently in USA too combined in this affair. I think, here itself we it has been mandatory, that mother care have to be careful about certain things. I am upto two children is the responsibility of the not repeating the amendments which have State. already been mentioned by Malini ji. Another . thing which lamsaying is about the deterrent Similarly about family planning I would punishment, We have suggested that the like to submit that ladies wl10 breast feed punishment has to be more. With all respect their children have belated pregnancy less to feeding inspectors, our experience with 235 Infant Mille Substitutes, . AUGUST 20, 1992 .(Reg. of Production, supply 236 • Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods & Distribution) am [Smt. Gaeta Mukherjee) I feel that we should give lot of emhasis on the second objective, that is creating an the Adulteration Act and the adulteration is awareness among the women. not very good. Therefore, they must understand that if they go on with such Sir, as Geetaji has rightly pointed out things, thentheywill have to pay heavy price. this is going to involve lot of multinationals This Is very necessary. also and Government should be cautious on this point as there Is going to be lot of The other thing Is ~e question of pressure on the Government, as Is evident monitoring it. who will monitor it? Ultimately from the fact that 11 years have elapsed the result of the Bill will depend on the since India had voted in the World Helath monitoring machinery. I hope that this assem~ly on Internatioonal code marketing monitoring machinery will be thought of very these babyfoods, wherein they had promised seriously so that this Bill can be effective. thattheywould bring the Indian legislation for Thank you. regulating the marketing of infant milk substitutes. On two occasions, this Bill was 18.00 hrs. almost passed but, somehow or the other, it was kept in abeyance. And obviously, SHRI ANANTRAO DESHMUKH everybody feels that it is because of the (Washim): Mr. Chairman, Sir, this Bill seeks pressures that was affected by the to promote the breast-feeding and prohibiting muitinationals. the excessive use 01 infant milk substitutes and feedings bottles and infant foods. Hyou So, I would like to caution the go through this Bill, you will realise that there Government at this pOint that they should are three objectives which are envisaged in specify the exact date on which, when this this. Bill, after enactment would Ce made applicable. There have been Instances in The first objective is probihition of certain this House, when the Bill which has been incentives, donations, Information, samples passed in this House and also in Rajya etc which are usually usd for promoting the Sabha, and also it had given assent by the sale of innfant substitues. That is one President but it was not made applicable. objective. This also we have seen. That is why I want to tell the Government that they should . The second objective is when marketing specify the exact dates . of these inf ant milk substitues usually takes place in the market, it should not carry an I donot know whether earlier, Members impression that it is better than the breast had taken up this point, but similar problems feeding. had also arosed in latin America, and in servey had pointed out that almost 70 per The third objective is, Government has (''8nt 01 the mothers, they were using the envisaged some deterrent by which infant milk substitures and feeding bottles. Government wants to ensure proper And there was a tendency to water it down compliance of this legislation. because of the excessive cost of the infant milk substitutes. So, it had an adverse effect Sir, if you go through the Bill, clauses on the health of the infant. Many times, it 10-26 are provided only for the deterrent was hazardous also. I think in West Bengal measures. Now. as you know, in our Indian also, in a recent survey it was observed that system, the deterrent measures are definitely almost 64 per cent of the mothers who are going to inVOlve lot of court litigations and the using these infant milk substitutes, there court litigations are a time consuming also, there is a tendency amongest them to process. Therefore, if you rely on these dilute it because of the cost and of course, clauses, over sometime, this may loose its it Is going to have its adverse effects. In liatin edge over achieving the objective. Therefore, Amercan, what they did was they had 237/nfant Milk Substitutes, SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) (Reg. of Production, 238 Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods supply & Distribution) Bill undertaken vigorous compaign- two years take a vigorous cOfl1)aign as far as tackling compaign - wherein help of UNICEF was this problem is concerned. sought, the Doctors were involved, the commujnity was involved, the helath centres I would like to make one or two were Invloved and everybody was invloved suggestions before Iconclude.1 have already and a vigorous compaign was undertaken as said about announcing the exact date on far as creation of the awarness is concerned. which you are going to make this legislation And you would be surprised that almost the effective because cloud of suspicion still percentage came down to 20 per cent. This hangs on this Bill. As I had said earlier, sort of efforts actually are required in this eleven years had elapsed when we had country also. promised in the world health assembly that we bring this legislation. Therefore Therefore, I would propose to the hon. announcement of the exact date is very Minister that they should give stress in the essential. second objective. The second aspect that I want to mention It has been observed by a paediatrician is, if you go through the clauses of this Bill, a that: lot of importance and stress is given on the voluntary agencies and their participation. "Studies reveal that with breast When I say that the second objective of feeding 98 per cent guarantee is creating a social awareness among the assured for family planning. It is mothers is irrportant, then the role of voluntary estimated that in India five million agenciEis must be defined and a greater role births per year can be prevented if should be assigned to them. mothers breast-feed their infants· Many things have been mentioned about If this is true, this is going to have a very the type of letters to be given and the type of positive effect on the family planning advertisements to be followed. As everybody programme of this country. knows, we had also undertaken a programme which was called Anti-Smoking Drive. I would Even in the latin American countries most humbly suggest to the hon. Minister while creating an awarness amongest the that this programme should not become mothers, they also had actua'y harped on another Anti-Smoking Drive. We see the one point that they want to increase the advertisements on the TV wherein a particular duration of breast-feeding. It amounts tothe brand of cigarette is shown to be very good same thing. This is going to have a very by some persons and the stattutory waming positive effect as far a& the birth control which is supposed to form a major portion of programme of thiS' country is concerned. the advertisement that cigarette smoking is Therefore even investments in this area to bad for health is nowhere to be seen. some extent is not going to make a lot of Therefore I would urge upon the Ministerthat difference. he should ban the advertisement of this infant milk substitute in the TV Here we are lucky, as Geetajl has rightly advertisements. If you are going to lose said, that this was a part of the Indian culture. some revenue, that would Off-set because This part of the Indian culture can now also earlier I had pointed out that this is going to be seen in the rural areas. We have this have a very positive effect on the family problem only in the urban areas. Therefore planning programme of this country. we have a target of only 35 percent while in latin American countries, it was a target The Government should make efforts to group of almost 70 per cent. So tackling a show that breast-feeding is better than the group of 35pe cent who are mostly residing infant milk SUbstitute and the use of feeding in the urban areas is not going to be a bottles. You have a lot of infrastructure, you problem. Therefore the Govenment has to can prepare documentaries and you can 239 Infant Milk Substitutes. AUGUST 20. 1992 (Reg. of Production, 240 Feeding Botties & Infant Foods supply & Distribution) Bill show them on the TV. Then only can you initiation of steps to promote breast feeding create this awareness. and to discourage the use of infant milk substitutes so as to safeguard the health of If you go through these clauses. infants. Unfortunately, since 1981 despite particularly clauses 6 and 7 of the Bill are the introduction of this Bill, time and again in worded in such a Nay that it gives a scope for the House it could not even cross the ambiguity. If you go through Clause 6, it has preliminary staglt even though once it was been given that a particular manufacturer passed by the Rajya Sabha. Today, on the can undertake an advertisement provided last day of the current session this Bill has he complies with all these things. It means in been introduced. On such an important Bill a way if he follows all these things, he can there should have been comprehensive advertise. As you know, these manufacturers discussion In the House. However, better can always find avenues and loopholes to late than never. All of us welcome this Bill use them to their advantage. So proper from the core of the heart because it tries to precaution has to be taken. reverse the trend of the deviation of our society from its traditional cultural roots and The last point which I would like to make the weakening of the mother child emotional is that we have to evolve an effective bonds in India . This will also succeed in mechanism which would monitor the sale of putting check on the artificial culture being the infant milk substitutes and feeding bottles developed in the society. periodically. This is going to be the indicator. Aftertaking all these measures, if we disd)ver Under the influence of education and that the sale of infant milk substitutes and Westem culture mothers in India consider feeding bottles does not come down, then it breast feeding as a symbol of backwardness. means that we have to undertake review of May misguided mother shy awayfrombreast everything. We have to think in fresh terms; feeding with a view to preserve their beauty a.nd if the sale does not go up, then we can and physique. Many mothers under the say that we are in the right direction and only influence of advertisements of infant milk vigorous efforts are essential so that we can substitutes available in the market and the solve this problem. Therefore, I would urge message engrossed on the cartons that it is upon the Minister to have an effective more effective than mother's milk, do not mechanism wh ich is the mustto achieve the brest feed their children. objectives of th is Bill. An effective mechanism is a must and the Government should I would like to submitlhatthough enough definitely consider all these suggestions. provisions have been made in this Bill to safeguard the health of infants through [ Translation1 quality feeding yet a mass movement would have to be launched to change the psyche of mothers so as to encourage them to breast SHRIMATI SAROJ DUBEY (Allahabad): feed their children . In this endeavour the Mr. Chairman, Sir, first of all, I would like to Government will have to seek the help of thank Kumari Mamata Banerjee for women and voluntary organisations. It will be introducing this Bill to safeguard the future of a long drawn affair to change the psyche of children of India. The Government has tried the people i" the country. Otherwise this to establish emotional bonds between mother legislation also like the other legislations on and child through this Bill. In addition to it, it women will remain unimplemented and the will be a lesson to the modern mothers, born children will continue to die of malnutrition. and brought up underthe influence of WeS!~m Attractive advertisements must be banned. Culture, who consider the breast feeding The views of women and voluntary demeaning. In 1981, the former Prime organisations should be ascertained and Minister, late Shrimati Indira Gandhi, raised included in this Bill after due consideration. her voice in support of it while addressing the Mere enactment of legislation to promote WHO wherein a resolution was passed for breast feeding will not serve the purpose. 241 Infant Milk Substitutes, SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) (Reg. of Production, 242 Feeding Botties & Infant Foods supply & Distribution) Bill India is poor and women in the country can action. I am told that at the place of be divided into various categories. Many manufacturing baby foods, a Inspector is ladies of uptodate and affluent families do deputed there to keep a vigil. But this Is not believe in breast feeding because of their entirely an inadequate arrangement. You extrafashionconsceiousnssandinthename will have to make a group for this purpose. of modernity. Working ladies of middle class We can not entrust the future of children of cannot breast feed their children because India merely on the responsibility of a person. they remain away from children at their Forthis purpose you will have to constitute a places of work. Once they leave for office in committee, who will monitor it and then only the moming, leaving behind their children, you will get the right thing. the other members of the family somehow satisfy the hunger of children by milk powder Mr. Chairman, Sir, we do not telec;:;~t and cow's milk. As the other hon. Members foreign illusory advertisements. As S~", have suggested that in all the Government George Fernandes has told that most of the and private offices Mother-Child Welfare foreign advertisements have a dazzling effect. Centrres should be set up so that mothers We will have to put curb on them as they are after every 3 hours can breast feed their misleading. If you do not ~top telecasting children. them then people will continue to be mislead by them and the babies will have to depend Mr. Chairman, Sir, the schemes for on baby foods only. improving the health of mothers, being run by the Mother and Child welfare Centres Mr. Chairman, Sir, in our country we just require to be improved a lot as you know that now in the name of the mother. We invoke in through Aanganwadi programmes and the name of mother's milk. We are Mother and Child Welfare Centres, attention sentimentally attached to mother's milk. In is being paid towards improving the health of the name of the mother's milk we are ready the mothers in each and every village. to sacrifice our lives, so in order to preserve that culture and to maintain that close affinity Mr. Chairman, Sir, Maternity Benefit Act we will have to encourage this thing. I welcome has come into existence but it needs some the bill presented by you and hope that it will amendments as you know that these all be implemented in a proper way so that the programmes are on papers only. h requires aim with which YOll have presented this bill is monitoring to implement these programmes fulfilled in an earnest way. The children of in the rural areas, then only we may expect today may become good and healthy citizens some improvement. We will also have to oftomorrow and earn laurels forthe country. consider about those mothers who are invalid arid unable to breast feed their babies. Presently. baby foods are very deer in the market and poor people are not in a position [English] to buy them. You will have to seek a technology which can make baby food SHAI SOBHANADREESWAAA RAO available at cheaper rates. So that the poor VADDE (Vijayawada): Mr. Chairman Sir, I can use it as an alternative. As per your thank you forgiving me an opportunity to say arrangements, arificial milk can only be given a few words on this Bill.' We extend our to the babies on the prescription of the health whole-hearted support to this Bill moved by visitor. But you will have to ensure that no the Hon. Minister for Human Resources. fake certificate is issued in this regard and Several han. Members who preceded me, the relation between mother and her baby especially the honourable lady Members, remains intact. said many things. I will not, at length, go into what they have already said. But I would like Mr. Chairman, Sir, the companies which to say that the Government must take all-out manufacture the artificial milk, if they violate efforts to see that the child is fully protected. the prescribed rules. are subject to stern They are the future citizens of this country. 243 Infant Milk Substitutes, AUGUST 20, 1992 (Reg. of Production, supply" 244 Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods & Distnbution) Bill Unless their health is good and unless we Nestle, 25 other companies are engaged in decrease infant mortality rate, it is going to the production of such milk. What is their have adverse effect on population control position? The criteria adopted by them for also. Whenwe bring downthe infant mortality producing infant milk is not known. rate to a very very minimum level, as is happening on other countries, the parents It is true that now we are going to control will definitely have a confidence that their them in one way or the other. This bill children, either one or two, will survive and provides for a statutory warning like the one they will definitely; take all necessary steps written on the cigarette packets that smoking to plan their family. In this context, the objects is injurious to health,like wise It will be written of the Bill are fully justified. Several provisions on the milk containers that breast feeding Is that have been made are good. This Bill best for the babies or infant food is not the ought to have been brought long back. oniy nutritious source. Although we are going Though the Government of India has to make this provision yet I fell that along with r!ilcognised the code and adopted it as far this step, there is a need of mass awakening back as 1983 and though it was passed in in this regard. Unless we make the society Rajya Sabha in 1986, unfortunately. this Bill suitable for that, we cannot make people lapsed and now it has been brought forward. understand that breast feeding is much better We extend our fullest support to the Bill. than the infant milk. Apart from prohibiting the manufacturers of the milk products from advertising,l sugt)est Iwouldliketodrawyourattentiontowards that the Government should enhance more one more important point that in 1981 there funds to the mother and child care so that the was an International Conference on this mother who is poor and needy will be healthy subject. An International breastmilk at the pregnant stage. She must be healthy Substitute Nutrition Code was made. A lot of so that she will be feed her child and bring up points have been mentioned in that code. I a healthy child. ;t is most unfortunate that would like to conclude my speech by referring even today, after nearly 45 years of self rule, some of the points of this code. thousands of children are dying. Especially .abies at a very infant stage so that the I do not know how far this Code has babies are grown up in a very healthy been implemented and I do not want to condition and it should also take steps to help repeat those facts that breast-feeding both the mother and the child. I do not deny promotes the health of children. I am a doctor that there is a programme in this regard but and I know that artificial feeding may cause much more funds should be allocated for it. common diarrhoea, gastroenteritis, eczema and other diseases. But breast-feeding will [ Translation] save the children from these diseases. Children can be prevented from falling prey DR. LAXMINARAYAN PANDEYA to these diseases because it increases the (Mandsaur): Mr. Chairman, Sir, today we are immunizing capacity against these diseases discussing an important bill. I do not want to in children. But the artificial feeding with say much about it but it is certain that the way packet-rt:1i1k available in market cannot infant milk is discussed or advertised these increase their immunizing power. It is, days, is a matter of concern for all of us. At therefore, essential that-emphasis should be present. about 60 thousaod metric tonne given on breast-feeding and people should be made to understand that breast-feeding infant milk is being produce by all the along is suitable and fit food for children and companies in this field. On the basis of a it alone!'.andevelopemotional bonds between market survey which was conducted child and its mother. Women too shouldthink sometime back it is evident that its production over it and believe that breast-feeding does has increased by ten percent during the last not affect their beauty. From every point of two years, which shows that infant milk's view, the development of child is essential. consumption is increasing by and by. Apart Therefore, I would like to let you know about from two prominent companies Amul and that Code here. It reads; 245 Infant Milk Substitutes, SRAVANA 20, 1914 (SAKA) (Reg. of Production, 246 Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods supply & Distribution) Bill [English] voluntary organisations, medical institutions, paediatrics and nursing homes should be 1. Information and education - encouraged to promote such attitude should be scientificandfactual: regarding breast-feeding, so that we may use them to the best of their capacity for - should explain the benefits of attaining our objective and encouraging the breast feeding and the costs tandency of breast-feeding. Unless such a and hazards of artificial feeding. healthy atmosphere is created in our country, we will not be able to attain our objective and 2. Central Public and mothers we cannot have healthy babies. Battle feeding is not good from any angle, because - No advertising to the public one has to take care whelher the bottle is clean or not, whetherthe nipple is good or not - No free samples etc. - No promotions in health care Similarly, our hon. member Shri Ram institutions Naik had introduced a Private Members' Bill in this House, and today it is materialising -No company nurses to advise which is of course a matter of happiness for mothers us. I wantthatthis government Bill be passed so that we may be able to take further action 3. Health workers immediately in this connection. Though this Bill has several flaws, yet I think those flaws - No gifts or personal samples can be removed afterwards. But today it is very essential to pass such a Bill in the House 4. Labelling and it should become an Act so that people of ourcountrycOUld know the utility of breast -No words or pictures idealising feeding. It should be implemented effectively artificial feeding. and wide publicity should be given to it. 5. Quality [English] . All products should meet BIS SHRI P.C. THOMAS (Muvattupuzha): . standards. Mr. Chairman Sir, I fully support the Bill and I welcome the way in which it has been 6. Implementation brought. I am happy that in this Session ilseH, th,is Bill is being brought and is going to - All Manufacturers and be passed now. I have moved amendments. distributers of products within But I am not going into the details of the the scope of the Code, non amendments. government organisations, professional groups, As already stated by many of the hon. institutions and individuals merrt>ers, breast feeding is highly necessary concerned are responsible for . not only for the physical development of the the implementation of the child, but also for its mental build-up. This is Code. Violation should be a basic fact. So, it is in the interestofthechild reported to the Government as well as the future of India that this Bill has authorities. beenbroughtandlurgeupontheGovemment that all steps be taken to see that the [ Translation] implementation of this Bill is properly supervised. The Supervision or monitoring I want that every person and institution of its implementation should be done in a should work to popularize this Code. All very strict manner. 247 Infant Milk Substitutes, AUGUST 20, 1992 (Reg. of Production, supply 248 Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods & Distribution) Bill As regards the punishments stated in because it helps to develop the mind of the Section 18, I feel that there must be some child fully. Amino-aceto, which is essential \ . change, A mere fine of Rs. 500 for some of nutritionscomponentforthedevelopmentof si the offences committed, is too inadequate the brain of a children, is available only inthe and Ifeelthat itshouldeitherbeclubbed with milk of the mothers. a mandatory provision for imprisonment of there may be some other punishment more I support this Bill whole-heatedly. But I stringent than what is envisaged in this would like to point out that merely the clause. introduction and our support of this Bill inthe House will not serve the purpose. It requires With regard to another section of the Bill two pronged action at least. We should which deals with confiscating the articles, ensure that afterthe enactment of this Bill no substituting items of food, etc. there is a advertisement of baby-foods should be • proviso which says that after 90 days, they allowed to be made. It should also be ensured may be returned. I request that this proviso that women are properly educated about it should be withdrawn because this will lead to because circumstances in our country are many loopholes and there may even be a lot not congenial to such things. Since there is of corruption. Therefore, at this stage itself, lack of education in our country. On the other this aspect should considered very seriously hand a motherwill have to keep at least three and the provision which says that after 90 t or four sets of bottles and will have to work days the confiscated goods should be whole day for boiling these sets of bottles returned, must be withdrawn. and nipples. Then she will feed the child with the bottle she will give the support of a pillow I am not going into the other aspects of to the child and then insuret the nipple intoits the Bill because of shortage of time. I mouth. They go for their job. Thus, the congratulate the Government once again children do not get the company of their and i hope that this Bill will be passed mothers. But if the mothers breast-feed their unanimously. children and they sit with them covering the children with her' Aanchal' for 15 to 20 [ Translation) minutes after every 3 hours then an emotional attachment is established between mothers SHRIMATI SUMITRA MAHAJAN and children. (Indore): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would not like to repeat it what all has been said earlier. But Today there is a sense of insecurity in I am feeling a bit unhappy because even society. Our youth feel a sense of insecurity after 40 years of Independence we are under todav. They are not able to maintain their the influence of same thinking of foreign mental balance. Thus the"lr problem can be countries. Geeta Didi has rightly stated that looked upon from a psychological point of we have not yet come out of the feeling that view also. Further, I want to state that we were once ruled by the English and we advertisements regarding artificial feeding are still underthe influence which the British's should be strictly banned and the fact that had left upon us. We have the mentality that after breast-Ieedinq cow-milk along is the our children should be foreign returned. We best of all child-foods, should be given wide do not like the classical things of our own publicity. If dueto certain reasons, the mother country, but if it is said that some foreigner does not have milk or to breast-feed the child then the child requires extra protein and not has approved or praised these things we will babyfood or baby milk. it is suggested to give readily accept it. If some foreign organisations baby food to a child after he crosses the age appreciate breast-feeding then we consider of 4 months. if the child takes the milk of her itvery good, and we accept it. Such tendency mother who eats food then the child gets is the product of our mental-slavery. This is extra protein from it automatically and it need the reason as to way we remained mentally not be nourished protein separately. Thisl handicapped. Today the educated people should be given wider publicity by the socia say that breast-feeding is very essential organisations also. Infant Milk Substitutes, SRAVANA 20, 1914 (SAKA) (Reg. of Production, 250 Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods supply & Distribution) Bill lAftergivingbirthtoachild,everymother introduce this Bill on earlier occasion also. Sh~~ld be granted leave for at least six Shri Ram Niak had also made effort in this J'll)nths. Inorderto ensure that mother is not regard. But when Shri Ram Naik had made ,being malnutrieted Madhya Pradesh efforttnintroducethisBilllastyear, Irequested ..I GQvernmenthas madesome provisions and him that I would certainly bring this Bill. Jaccordinglytowhicheverypregnantwomen Therefore, I had introduced this Bill on the is paid Rs. 500 a month. Every possible help 8th May and it has t-een brought in the Lok is being extended to ensure that the mother Sabha today for passing. I would like to must not suffer from malnutrition after giving requestthe Ministryof Parliamentary Affairs, birth to a baby. We are thinking over it very asShri Deshmukh hassaidjust now,thatthis well after so many years, though belatedly. Billshouldbepassed by Rajya Sabha also as Iwant to offer my thanks. Boththings should soon as possible. The World Health go together not because this thinking is Assembly had adopted a code in 1981 and gaining ground in foreign countries nor the Government of India had adopted the because foreign doctors are saying that Indian National code in 1883. In 1986, Rajiv there are meager chances for the mother to Gandhi had thought about it. Today we are _j:1.etbrea~t cancer who breast feed the baby. celebrating hisbrith anniversary.Todayhe is I would like to say that we should proceed not amidst us. He always thought of the with the thinking embodied in our culture, welfare of women and children. Introducing which may along side, help in fostering this Bill today itself we have paid him a true national feelings. homage. He had convened a meeting in 1985, in which a decision was taken that we THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE shoulddosomethinginthisregard.Therefore, MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCES he had introduced this Bill in 1986 but lok DEVELOPMENT (DEPARTMENT OF Sabha was dissolved and the Bill could not YOUTH AFFAIRS AND SPORTS AND THE be passed. The previous Government had DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD brought this Bill in 1991 but Lok Sabha was DEVELOPMENT) (KUMARI MAMAT A dissolved and the Bill could not be passed. BANERJEE): First of alii would like tothank Saying unnecessary things inthe House we _ allthose Members who have participated in waste time of the House but I request you the discussion on this Bill and obliged me. I that if any such Bill is introduced, it should be would like to congratulate Shri Ram Naik, passed without any delay?Such Bill should Shri Deshumku, Shri Rao Shri Thomas, not be left pending and should be passed as Shrimati Gita Mukherji, Pro!. Malini soon as passible because the future of 8hattacharaya, ShrimatiGirija Devi,shrimati country is linked with such Bill. S~mitra Mahajan etc. I would like to c~gratulate them not because the Bill has Shri Deshmukh, Shrimati Geeta and ~en brought and passed but because we Shri Ram Naik have supported this Bill and have to think today that the cases of said that this is an important Bill. They have malnutritionandinfactmoralityareincreasing, also said that there should be an effective Children are the future of the country. machanism. I agree with them. Iam thinking that monitoring Committees should be [English] constituted at national and state levels. We can co-ordinate this committee. The Children are assets of our country. Government enacts a number of laws but they are not implemented. The State 18.39 hrs. Governments should lay more emphasis on the implementing authority. Inthis regardwe [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] will have a dialogue with the Ministry of b Healthandthe Ministryof Law.The voluntary :rranslation] organisations, medical practioners and I UNICEF (New Delhi) are there. I would like The Government had made efforts to to congratulate all the institutions, namely. 251 Infant Milk Substitutes, AUGUST 20, 1992 (R~ of Production, 252 Feeding Bon/es & Infant Foods supply & Distribution) Bill [English] We would like that We should promote breast. feeding instead of infant milk as breast milk Intemational Baby Food Action Network, substitute. Geneva, Association for Consumer Action on Safety and Health, Bombay, Voluntary Health Association of India, New Delhi Bengal Besides, there should not be an~ Rural and Welfare Services, Calcutta, advertisement for this, be they mUlti-nationa Kasturba Gandhi Memorial Trust Centre. companies or any other companlE$. Those who give their advertisements In India will be [Translation] pumlshed. For it, it is essential to frame rules. That we will do, for it I want time. The I want to congratulate all of them. We Government has asked for identifying baby have introduced this Bill after cOn';:iulting all because a manufacturer can take undue these institutions. I am also thankful"to all advantage. They may wirite, "older than one those members who gave their amendments year" and thus they will sell infant milk. That which shows that they have taken interest in is why, the government has not given the it. I am not against the Members who gave definition of an infant. There is a provision of amendments to this Bill. As Malini Ji and Shri two types of penalty in the Bill. The firSt' Ram Naik have said. penalty is a fin~ of Rs. 5000 and a 3 years' imprisonment and the less penalty is a fine of [English] Rs. 2000 and a 6 months' imprisonment. it is not a fact that there will be less penalty or no Pacifiers should be included. Inclusion penalty for it but the reality is that we have of pacifiers would amount to interfering with reached such a stage that attention will have the rights of women in rearing oftheirchildren. to be paid to the women and children. For this, a comprehensive programme-I.C.D.S. [ Translation] is going on in the country. You know, Madam Sarojini had said and Geetaji, Maliniji and Dr. This is included in the Bill but Shri Girija ji had also said that if our lactating Deshmuk. Sumitraji and Maliniji have said mother did not get food, how the babie~ that there should be awareness also,) agree would get milk. That is way, we impleme~! ~ith them. A large number of illiterate people the I.C.D.S. programme which is the largest live in villages. This facility is not available to programme in the country under which the them while it is available to urbanites. They Government ·provides nutrition, education watch T. V., read newspapers but I would like and reiarral services to 1.48 crore children to request all of you to make these facilities including 0.39 crores mothers to who nutrition available at the grassroot level in villages. and medical facilities are given under this Geetaji has proposed that it should be linked programme. Therefore, the Government is with Literacy Mission. My depal1ment is making every effort in this regard but even if competent enough to do this work. I would they want any amendment to this Bill, then I like to request the Ministry of Education in would like to tellthemthat fbu have supported this regard. Maliniji has given amendment this Bill and J have listened to all of yourpoints about infant food and infant milk substitutes. and even if it is necessary to amend it forthe I am thankful to her but the consensus sake of strengthening it, we are ready to do decision is that infant milk substitute and so. There i.s no difference of opinion in it infantfoodaretwodifferentthiogs. Therefore, because this issue relates to the future of our they have been differentiated. Infant milk children. I humbly request the hon.Members substitute is also mentioned in the Indian of the House that today is the last day of the, Code. An hon. lady member has said that it session ot Parliament so, they may kindly is not mentioned in the Indian Code but she withdraw their amendments. Ghulam Nabiji, maygo through Article 3 olthe Indian National alter passing this Bill here, please get it Code for Protection and Promotion of Breast passed in Rajya Sabha as soon as possible. Feeding. b has been c1ear1y mentioned there. With these words I thank you all. 253 Infant Mile Substitutes, SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) (Reg. of Production, 254 Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods supply & Distnbution) Bill . [English1 is given, then we will not insist on our amendments. MR. SPEAKER: I think you must t....,mplimentthe Minister for making a good KUMAR I MAMATA BANERJEE: I have speech in Hindi. already said that we-are going to set up a monitoring committee. KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: I am grateful to you, Sir. SHRI RAM NAIK: Not a monitoring committee, there are so many medical points MR. SPEAKER: I shall now put involved in this. You call a meeting for a Amendment No. 1 moved by Prof. Rassa discussion and if you find that some Singh Rawat to the conSideration Motion to amendments are to be acceptable you can the vote of the House. bring an amending Bill. Amendment NO.1 was put and nagatived. [ Translation1 MR. SPEAKER: The question is: KUMAR I MAMATA BANERJEE: Mr. Speaker Sir, this comprehensive Bill has "That the Bill to provide for the been brought forward carefully after having ... regulation of production. supply consultati,",os with the Ministry of Health and and distributing of infant milk the Ministry of law, Justice and Company subsititutes. feeding bottles and infant foods with a view to the Affairs. Even if the hon. Members have some protection and promotion of suggestions to make. they may send them to breast-feeding and ensuring the me. I will look into them. proper use of infantfoods and for mallers connected therewith or [English] incidental thereto, be taken into consideration: SHRI RAM NAIK: Sir. there are so many amendments. The Ministercancallthe MPs, The motion was adopted who have given their amendments and other Members who want to be associated with MA. SPEAKER: The House willC'now this matter, and sort out this matter. take clause by clause consideration of the Bill. There are amendments by Shri Ram MR. SPEAKER: Madam, you need not Naik, and Shri Thomas. form a Committee. But you discuss with them. SHRI RAM NAIK: I would like to have a word so that I can try to find out a via-media. KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: When I have given 67 amendments. Some other we set up the Monitoring Committee, we can Members also have given amendments. discuss with them. Now, the hon. Minister has assured that SHRI RAM NAIK: Please call the if there are any shortcomings she would look concerned Members of Parliament and into them. Now. I suggest that a small discuss with them. 0 committee of members of Parliament may be formed. Some other vOluntary ~HRIMA TIMAlINI BHATIACHARAYA "organisations should be called in that (Jadvpur): What the Minister is talking about committee and the Bill should be discussed is different from the Committee suggested in detail. if such a committee is formed by the by Shri Ram Naik .... (lnte"uptions) Govemment, then we will not insist on the amendments. That Committee is necessary MR. SPEAKER: The Minister can call because there are so many Shortfalls in the concerned members of Parliament for a these definitions given here. Hthis assurance cup of tea and discuss with them. 255 Infant Milk Substitutes, AUGUST 20, 1992 (Reg. of Production, 256 Feeding Bottles & Infant Foods supply & Distribution) Bill SHRI RAM NAIK: Sir, in view of the the Bill" assurance and in view of your good offices that you have used, we do not insist on our The motion was adopted ·amendments. Clause 3 to 26 were added to the Bill.- SHRI P.C. THOMAS (Muvattupuzha): In view of the assurance given and in view of MR. SPEAKER: The question is: the tea that the Minister offers to us,1 also do not insist on my amendments. "That Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the long title stand SHRIMATIMALINI BHATTACHARAYA: part of the Bill.· If the Minister agrees with the suggestion made by Shri Ram Naik, I have no objection The motion was adopted in falling in line with other Members. I want that the Committee should be formed Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and immediately. the long Title were added to the Bill. KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: Sir, I MR. SPEAKER: The Ministerhas agreed beg to mO'o!e: to call the Members who have given their amendments, gives them a cup of tea, hear "That the Bill be passed.· them and formulate her opinion. MR. SPEAKER: The question is : There are amendments to otherCaluses also. Does this apply to other Clause,S also? "That the Bill be passed". SHRI RAM NAIK: It applies to all Clauses. The motion was adopted MR. SPEAKER: Sudhir Giriji, are you [ Translation] moving your amendments? SHRI RAJVEER SINGH (Aonla): Mr. SHRI SUDHIR GIRl (Contai): Sir, I am Speaker, Sir, the Bill has been passed but I not moving my amendments. would like to make a submission which is not related to it but which is a matter of gross SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: My national insult. amendment is same as Maliniji's. Our is a joint amendment. Mr. Speaker Sir, when the delegation of Uzbekistan came here, one of our Ministers ... MR. SPEAKER: Now I put the Clauses to the vote of the House. MR. SPEAKER: No, such defamatory matters can't be raised here. The question: SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: I am not "That Clause 2 stand part of the mentioning anybody's name. Bill." [English] The motion was adopted MR. SPEAKER: This is not forming part Clause 2 was added to the Bill of the record. You cannot fling surprises like this. Please read Rule No. 353. I quote: MR. SPEAKE·R: The question is : "No allegation of a defamatory or "That Clause 3 to 26 stand part of incriminatory nature shall be 257 SRAVANA 20.1914 (SAKA) RehalJlllfation 258 Council of India Bill made by a member against any MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Hon. Member. what person unless the member has are you doing at the last moment without any given adequate advanced notice reason. to the Speaker and also to the Minister.: [English) [ Translation] Ruie NO. 353 applies to this. You have to give a notice to me and to the Minister SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: I am not concerned. I am not allowing. Please do not mentioning anybody's name. argue with me. MR. SPEAKER: Is it necessary for you 18.56 hrs. to speak anything without referring to anybody's name? REHABILITATION COUNCIL OF INDIA BILL, 1992 AS PASSED BY RAJYA SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Mr. Speaker SABHA. Sir, I am not speaking anything. [English] [English] THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MR. SPEAKER: I am not allowing. Why MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRIMATI K. do you create this problem? KAMALA KUMAR I): You shall have to give me a notice and Sir, I beg to move: to the concerned Minister and then you can raise it. "That the Bill to provide for the constitution of the Rehabilitation [ Translation] Council of India for regulating the training of rehabilitation SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: I am placing professionals and the before you what is in record. The hon. Minister maintenance of a Central has made a statement. Rehabilitation Register and for matters connected therewith or PROF. PREM DHUMAL (Hamirpur): incidental thereto. as passed by Notice Should be given to the hon. Minister Rajya Sabha, be taken into who has made the statement. consideration .• MR. SPEAKER: Please see. I am The lack of trained manpower has been reading out rules to you one of the major constraints in the expansion of rehabilitation services in the country. The PROF. PREM DHUMAL: SeNe~1 training programmes in the country in the matters are allowed beyond rules. area of welfare of the handicapped are isolated and ad-hoc in nature with no standard MR. SPEAKER: We do it. We do it syllabi, entry qualifications, duration of because all of you speak. courses, level of degrees/diploma. etc. To overcome shortage of trained manpower, SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Mr. Speaker the Government of India carried out Sir, You have over looked the rules in the consultation with National Council of matter of Constitution Amendment Bill which Handicapped Welfare and concerned came up today. That was the question of Ministeries on the question of setting up an national honour and this is in the question of apex body to enforce uniform standards for national insuIL(lnterruptions) manpower training programme in the field of 259 Rehabilitation Council AUGUST 20, 1992 of India Bill 260 (Shrimati K. Kamla Kumarij new responsibilities which will devalve upon the statutorily constituted Council may entail rehabilitation of the disabled in the country. • Moved with the recommendataion of The consensus was that standard the President. training should be given to professionals and that products of only recognised courses some additional expenditure, the should provide services to the handicapped. quantum of which will depend upon the activities to be undertaken by the Council. To achieve this objectives, an appx Anyhow, as envisaged in the BiU itself, the body called "Rehabilitation Council· was set financial and the administrative matters will upthrough a Resolution dated 31 stJanuary, be regulated and decided by the Ministry of 1986. This body was registere~ under the Welfare in consulation with the Ministry of Socities registeration Act, 1980. The council Finance from time to time. prescribes minimum standard of education and training of professionals, recognises Except for the matters in respect ot certain insitutions for conducting training which rules and regulations are to be made programme leading to degrees or diplomas. for covering matters of procedure and The Council also recognise foreign degrees, administrative details, the Bill does not diplomas and certification on reciprocal basis envisage delegation of powers. and maintains a Central Rehabil~ation register of persons who are allowed to practice or With these words, I request the august seek employment in rehabilitation services Houses for the consideration of the Bill. of the handicapped. The Council has been finding it difficult MR. SPEAKER: Motion moved: to enforce the standard of training a~d to regulate the functioning of the rehabilitation "That the Bill t8 provide for the professionals in the absense of the statutory constitution of the Rehabilitiation powers. therefore, to confer statutory power Council of India for regulating the in Rehabilitation Council on the model of training of rehabilitation Medical council of India, which regularises professionals and the statutorily the. training of medical maintenance of a Central professionals, the "Rehabilitation Council" is Rehabilitation Register and for being vested with statutory powers to matters connected therewith or prescribe norms and standards for the inCident thereto. as passed by rehabilitation professions and to regulate Rajya Sabha, be taken into their training. In fact, the existing consideration ... "Rehabilitation Council" is being substituted by a statutorily constituted "Rehabilitation [ Translation] Council of India." SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHARGAVA 19.00 hrs (Jaipur): Mr. Speaker Sir, the hon. Minister has issued an executive order on 31 st July, As present budgetary support is provided 1986 to constitute the Rehabilitation Council to the Rehabilitation Council through grant and circulated it. in-aid sanctioned by Ministry of Welfare. During the current year 1992-93, a provision [English] of Rs. 23 lakhs has been made for the Council. The statutorily constituted "The Council prescribes the Rehabilitation Council of India will be financed minimum standard of education out of this budgetary provision of Rs. 23 and training profeSSionals, lakhs and as such no extra financial recognises certain institutions for implications are visualised. However, the cpnducting training programmes 26:1 Rehabilitation Council SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) of India Bill 262 leading to degree or diplomas. people belonging to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes and construct roads for The Council also recognises them, they will get hundred per cent rebate foreign degrees 01 diplomas or in income tax. Six-seven months have passed certificates on reciprocal basis since its inception. if the people, who pay and maintains the Central income tax, get per cent rebate in income tax Rehabilitation Register of then they would invest their money in such persons who are allowed to organisations and the four leading institutions practice or seek employment in in India would be able to get funds and work rehabilitation services of the efficiently. I welcome the Bill as it will lay handicapped. down norms for the purpose of recognising and registering the handicapped people for The Rehabilitation Council is imparting them training. His name is Sitaram proposed to be vested with Kesari, I hope he will accept my suggestions statutory power to prescribe so that there can be welfare of the norms and standards for the handicapped people with the funds so rehabilitation of professionals and mobilised. With these words I conclude. to regulate their training." [English] 1Translation] DR. SUDHIR RAY (Burdwan): Mr. The council did not enjoy any statutory Speaker, Sir the Bill is welcome. In India we Power when it was constituted. I have all have 40 million people who are handicapped regard forthe hon. Minister. There is nothing - either they are deaf and dumb or they are objectionable in the Bill because a provision visually handicapped. Both the society and has now been made to vest statutory power the Government are indifferent to their to bring uniformity in training for the welfare. Even the 3 per cent reservation in rehabilitation of the handicapped. Through the services for them is not implemented this Council we are going to lay down the properly. therefore, it is definitely welcome norms required our the training of persons that the Govemment has come forward with who will work for the welfare of the the creation of a statutory authority. handicapped. There are one crore twenty lakh handicapped people in the country out Now, Ithink the Bill has sought to create of which 77 per cent live in rural areas. After an authority which would have, more or less, the formation of the Rajiv Foundation, the official majority. This should not be so. There foundation has assumed the responsibility of are 23 member::. out of which only seven are rehabilitation of the handicapped. There are non-ot:icials. The rest are the officials. Hence, four institutions one is in Dehradun for the , think that the State Governments should visually handicapped persons, other is in have'ane representative each. And not only Securderabad for the mentally retarded this, the voluntary organisations should have people, the third is in Calcutta for the ortho representation on the council. Besides the paedically handicapped persons and the council should maintain a register of the fourth one is in Bombay for deaf and dumb. professionals and they should have, more or If income tax exemption is given to such less, uniform standard because often quacks voluntary organisations, which work in these "re Vdif much active in the country and they agencies, on the money they get they would often create so many obstacles. be able to work efficiently. The Government of India has constituted the institution like I would also say that this rehabilitation 'Tax Concession for Reinvestment of Profits council should give recognition to regrees, in the Building of the Socio-economic courses and certificates wh_ich are given to Infrastructure' which will gave cent per cent professionals. I would also any that the rebate in income t8)(, If these organisations council should take ~are of the employment perform development work in villages forthe of the handiciapped. I have already said that 263Rehabilitation Council AUGUST 20, 1992 of India Bill 264 [Sh. Sudhir Ray] prospenty or glory. "Kamaye Dukhtaptanam, Praf'li'lam, Artanashnam"That is to say, here three per cent of the jobs are reserved for it has been prayed to God to bestow the them. but I doubt how much they get. ability of removing the sorrows of the suffering humanity. Keeping this philosophy in mind I would also say that there is a provision the Government has opened several in the Bill that it would meet only once a year. institutions and universities meant for the I think that it should meet at least thrice a welfare of handicapped persons. year. But at the same time, my point is that Arrangementshavebeen made for imparting the Government should lay emphaSis on training by different categories of general literacy because if there is general professionals. The Rehabilitation Council has literacy, there is more awareness in been set up with the motive of imparting environment and then there is more education to all such persons and for bringing awareness of ecology and it would means about uniformity in education. All these things less mortality of the children. It should be a have been done in right prespective. There holistic approach. are, however, some persons engaged In it who do not possess adequate professional With these words I conclude. knowledge. There was a regularisation of services of those who were in medical [ Translation] professions. Indian medical Council was set up. it was also clarified as to which universities PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT (Ajmer): can award what kinds of degrees, diplomas Mr. speaker, Sir, throught you I would like to and certificates. Similarly, the Rehabilitation congratulate the Government because it has Council has also been set up. It has with it a been able to discharge the responsibility of a list of the names of several institutions which welfare State by launching the welfare are looking aHerthe welfare of those who are programmes underthe Rehabilitation CounCil deaf, ~IJmb and blind.There should be an Bill presented in the House. These investigation into the matters like - what are programmes are for the Welfare of those the diplomas or degrees that should be who are physically handicapped, impaired to awarded to mentally retard persons, what hear and see or mentally retarded. Swami are the trainings that are imparted to the Vivekanand ji once said: teachers who are working in these institutions, what is being done towards theirrehabilitation. [English] Similarly, issues like - what education is being imparted, whether there are proper "To serve the suffering humanity institutions for that as also the issue of is the real worship 01 the God". recognising the degrees awarded by such institutions have been delate with at length in [ Translation] it. I think these things have been done thoughtfully. There are three aspects behind Right from the ancient time, it has been the structuring of this Organisation, members the culture and motto of our country. from the departments of welfare, health and Finance have to be taken in it by the Central "Na Twaham kamaye Rajyam, Government. Besides, there will also be Na cha Swargam Nacha representatives of the University Grants Punarbhawam, Commission. There should also be representatives from Medical Science and Kamaye Dukhtaptanam Research Council because from research Praninam Art Nashanam'·. and academiC points of view there is a requirement of including the experts who Meaning - thereby, 0, God, I do not have specialisation in the areas of eye, nose yearn for rebirth nor do I yearn for heaven. I and rn\!ntal diseases. There is a dire need of do not either want any worldly happiness, research work in these areas. Why there are 265 Rehabilitation Council SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) of India Bill 266 large cases of blindness, persons getting Mr. speaker, Sir, there should be a hunch-backed in a particular region? The proper supervision ofthe work being done by causes of all these have to be found by vOluntary organisations. There are more undertaking test of water. environment. foods than four crore handicapped persons. The that shape the human anatomy there so that responsibility of rendering help to them and they can be cured properly. The universities to look after their welfare rests on the and institutions there will undertake these Govemment. Tothinkabouttheirbatterment work. If the persons engaged in these is the responsibility of both the Government institutions are not capable of imparting the and the society. The Government should desired level of training and if only forged ensure standard education training. So the degrees. diplomas and certificate bearing proper help maybe madeavailableforotheir the names offorged universities are awared. weHare. then there should be some provisions to prevent these persons from carrying out With these words. I support this Bill. such activities. For that there should be arrangements of refresher courses to be [English) conducetedtime to time underthe provisions of the Rehabilitation Council of India Bill. It is SHRI DATTATRAYA BANDARU due to new technologies being evolved. (Secunderabad): Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to Research works are being done in every support this Bill because it is meant mainly fields. If they are declared qualified after forgiving training forthe professionals. In our receiveing diploma. then they ma y be allowed country, there are a large number of to work in those areas, but if they are not well handicapped persons like mentally retarded, versed in their respective branches 01 physically retarded and visually retarded. knowlodge. they will not be able to perform the duty properly. Yet. I strongly support this Sir. I want to give some suggestions for Rehabilitation Council Bill. but I would also the consideration of the hon. Minister. With like to submit that attention should also be regard to the constitution of the Committee, paid towards its shortcomings. the Chairmanship of that Committee should not go into the hands of the bureaucrats. We The provision of punishment for the know from the functioning of many institutions forgers is not adequate in it. Efforts should, as to how they are suffering in the hands of therefore, be made to make more stringent the bureaucrats. The Chairman should be a laws. A representative of Indian Medical professional who has got a sympathy towards Council. two Members of Parliament and the weaker sections and the handicapped one Member of Rajya Rabha have been people. Another thing I want to mention is included in it under the provisions of the Bill. aboutthe members ofthe Committee. A large In my opinion. the number of public numberof handicapped persions are living in representatives should be increased in the the rural areas and they belong to the weaker Council as stipulated in the Indian sections of the society. I request the hon. Rehabilit9-tion Council Bill. With these words, Minister to include some people form the I support this Bill. Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes in that Committee while constituting the SHRI NITISH KUMAR (Burh): Mr. Committee. Then. a State-wise census of the Speaker. Sir. I support the Rehabilitation handicapped persons should be undertaken. Council Bill which after being passed by the because so f<:lr. they have not been properly Rajya Sabha is now here before us for our identified. That is why we do not know as to consideration. There are training institutes how many handicapped persons are there. for the handicapped persons in the big metropolitan cities. I would like to request the Then, regarding the allocation of funds. Government that such institutes should also only Rs. 231akhs have been allocatedforthe be opened at least in the capitals of different research work in the training programme. States. This is a very meagre amount. I appealtothe 267 Rehabilitation Council AUGUST 20, 1992 of India SiR 268 ISh. Dattatraya Bandaruj So far as the submission of the hon. members, Shri Giridhari lal Bhargava and hon. Minister that more funds should be prof. Rasa Singh Rawat in regard to allocated for the training programme. Even exemption in income tax for voluntary though many schemes are there for the organisations is concerned, I would like to welfare of the handicapped persons, they inform them that 90 per cent of the total are not properly implemented, because there expenditure of these organisations is borne are no trained persons to look after the by the Central Govemment and only the handicapped persons. Even though this is remairllng 10 per cent is borne by the delayed for more than 10 years now, this organisations themselves. That too only for training programme is a very important one. the purpose that those who set up these I hope that the hon. Minister will accept my organisations should also have some suggestions. contribution in them. The Government monitors the working of these organisations With these few words, I support this Bill. thus helping to fulfil the objectives of their constitution. Despite our department having [ Translation] no concern in regard to income tax matters, -but so faras I know . Voluntaryorganisations THE MINISTER OF WELFARE (SHRI already avail this exemption, though I don't SITARAM KESRI): Sir, I welcome the know its exact perentage. suggestions given on Indian Resettlement Council Bill which are creaive and based on In regard to demand for providing experience and would like to make two-three hundred per cent exemption I can only say submissions, through you. that I would recommend the case to the Ministry or Finance; but at the same time, So far as the composition of the Council since the country is passing through a severe is concerned, it is not possible to give economic crisis, I cannot assure that this representation to aU the. State. However demand would be fulfilled. representation to all the regions and also to voluntary organisations would certainly be So far as providing employment is above given. So far as universities are concerned, the Government would take the concerned, they will also be given efficiency of the handicapped persons into representation. In regard to the sitting·s of the cont'ideration while giving employment to Council, a single sitting won't do. At least tnem. It would recommend the cases to two-three meetings would be required. this is various agencies, departments and the private a good suggestion and it will be done. sector. But I cannot say how far we would suceed in achieving the objective. So far as the proposal of Shri Nitish So far as human sentiments and Kumar to constitute, such Councils in States Governments efforts to serve the people are is concerned, these would be constituted at concerned, it all depends on the attitude of the national leave, but under the prevailing people in public and private sectors towards circumstances the government cannot these people. The Government would see assure as totheextenttowhich itsconst~ution that all of them have a soft corner in their would be expanded. However, inview of its heart for the handicapped persons. Keeping prevailing function in metropolitan cities, the all these factors in view, the Government Government would certainly take the matter would make all out efforts in this regard. into consideration. I' regard to providing 3 percent So far as exemption in income tax is reservation to them in services the concemed .. (/nterruptions) I am very well Government has been trying its best to aware ... you need not draw my attention to implement this provision. The government it ... ( Interruptions) would be considerate if there is any proposal 269 RshsbiIIatIon Council SRAVANA 20,1914 (SAKA) of India Bill 270 for special recruitment. Formula and 1118 long TitIB W8r8 add8d to the Bill. I think that I have given reply to all your questions. I am thankful to you for making SHRI SITARAM KESRI: Sir, i beg to suggestions and move that this Bill be passed move: by the House. "That the Bill was passed [English] SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO MR. SPEAKER: Shri Sobhanad VADDE (Vijayawada): Sir,l will be very brief. reeswara Rao Vadde, the hon. Minister has We fully agree with the Rehabilitation Council replied. I had called out your name. You were of India Bill. In this Bill, in clause 3, the not there. I will give you a chance later. representation to the States is very inadequate because in this it has been The question is: mentioned: ''That the Bill to provide for the "two members to be appointed constitution of the Rehabilitation by the Central Government to Council of India for regulating the represent the Ministry or training of rehabilitation department of the States or the professionals and the Union territories dealing with maintenance of a Central Social Welfare by rotation in Rehabilitation Register and for alphabetical order.. ." matters connected there with or incidental thereto, as passed by Rajya Sabha, be taken into That menas, at atime only two Members consideration. " will be there. This is grossly under representation to the States. I appeal to the Th8 motion was adopted Hon. Minister to give reconsideration MR. SPEAKER: The House will now and enhance this representation to the Sates. take up Clause by Clause consideration of the Bill. There is one amendment by Dr. Also there is a provision which says that (Shrimati) K.S. Soundaram, who is not here. the council shall meet not less than once in a year. But there is no barto meet more than The question is: once in a year as far as the council is concerned. At the same time it may meet "That Clauses 2 to 30 stand part even only once in a year. When so much of the Bill." work is to be done to help those poor, mentally-retarded or physically-handicapped The motion was adopted orthe visually-blind people, when there is no much .... ork burden, this provision also may bechanged. Thehon. Ministerinthe Financial Clauses 2 to 30 were added to the Bill. Memorandum has stated that it requires RS.23 lakhs. I believe this amount is too MR. SPEAKER: The question is: small an amount. "That the Schedule, Clause 1, the Finally, I urge upon the government to Enacting formula and the long take all necessary steps in some areas. Title stand part of the Bill." Apart from prescribing the minimum educational qualifications to work as The motion was adopted professionals on behalf of this Organisation, The Schedule, Clause 1, the Enacting the human element also must be there. WhatE'vt!r may be the degrees a person 271 Rehabifitation Council AUGUST 20,1992 of IncJla em 272 [Sh. Sobhanadreeswara Rao Vadde] SHRI CHHEDI PASWAN (Sasaram): But no reply is given to any holds whether he is having a degree or not, letter.( Interruptions) his commitment, his service motto also should be there. That also should be adequately SHRI NITISH KUMAR: We do wrote taken cognisance of. Right at the moment, letters but even acknowledgment is not sent. the Government is spending a lot of money to help those poor, destitutes and physically SHRI SITARAM KESRI: Not only I sent handicapped people and for their welfare. acknowledgment to your letter but also I But many a time it is so happening that some havti done your wMk. voluntary organisations, some clever people who are receiving those funds, they are not MR. SPEAKER: You should not have really passing on the amount to the beneficiaries which you are giving to them to any objection if your letter is replied and work help those people. In this regard, you h\ve done. taken some steps. Some Inspectors, some visitors would be there to find out whether ( Interruptions) those professionals are really competent people or not. whether work is being properly SHRI SIT ARAM KESRI; It is also conducted or not. It is good. Similarly, I also possible that such letters are not replied. He suggest that the government should take is saying just for the sake of enterstaiment necessary steps in future so that the amount and nothing else. Therefore, I have no which you are giving, spending from your objection to it. Ministry of WeHare for he welfare and of those poor people, physically-handicapped The hon. Members have suggested people really reaches those people amd not that the Members should be humanists. otherwise. Simply basing upon the audit reports which are being sumitted for you Secondly, so far the matter in regard to technically is not sufficient. You know, every sittings of the Commission, is concerned, I hon. Member of this House knows that large have already said in my previous statement sums of money are going down the drain and that we will have a prOVision of three sittings only very very small part of it is going really in a year. As regards corruption I have to the welfare of such people. I hope the hon conducted enquiries into the functioning of . Minister who is very much committed to the many voluntary organisations; but not taken welfare of the weaker sections will take any decision despite recommendations by necessary steps in further. certain persons. So far asYhe discontinuous ('f funJs is concerned, decisions to this With these words, I conclude. effects is taken only when there is some thing fishy. [ Translation] SHRI SITA RAM KESRI: Sir, I would like I would again reqtlest that the difference to reply all the points he has raised. So far as between this department and others is that corruption is concerned, as he has pointed it is not only related with human feelings but out, I would like to request the voluntary also deals with such people who are physically . organisations and the hon. Member also that handicapped, mentally retarted , deaf and this department is closely associated with dumb. Thus if the members notice human life and symbolished Members' irregularities being practiced in the working sympathy and desire to serve such people. of any of the organisations, they should bring I would request the hon. Members that if them to my notice. I will certainly take action they find any malpactices being made in any on that. of these organisations, they should bring these to the notice of the Government in [English] writing. Our department is there to monitor.. ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: The question is: 273 Validictory References SRAVANA 20, 1{114 (SAKA) Validictory References 274 ""That the Bill be passed.- instructive session .. We had a few landmarks in the history of democratic India: we elected The motion was adopted the president; we had elected the Vice President. We had the peculiar flavour of a MR. SPEAKER: Parliamentary Affairs minority Govemmenlfacing a No-Confidence Minister, would you like to say something? Motion. We have passed some Bills; regretfully, we had not been able to pass THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY some others which, at least, I had very AFFAIRS(SHRIGHULAM NAB I AZAD):The greatly expected to get passed in this session Leaderofthe House will speak.(lnterruptions) particularly, the Panchayat and Nagarapalikas Bill, forwhich I think the whole SHRIRAMNAIK(BombayNorth): I have at the country has been waiting for too long. a small suggestion to make. We cover We established our own representative Joint important debates on T.V. I suggest and Parliamentary Committee to look in to one of request that not this time, at least from next the most difficult, most ,delicate and time onwards, the ~oncluding part should challenging problems that had faced the also be televised as that is an important country in recent months. And I am sure that event. the JPC will come-out in flying colours while dealing with that problem. 19.34 hrs VALIDICTORY REFERENCES We again, had a very anxious time for a few days when we where buffetted between THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI P.V. cert::!n decisions which could have NARASIMHA RAO): Sir. I am grateful to you embarrassed the Government and the for giving me a few minutes when the House country for a long time to come. On one side is about to adjourn sine die and the session was the dilemma of what needs to be done is going to end. I was not here yesterday. But when the Constitution is challenged and not I was told that the House witnessed a few obeyed; on the other hand we had another harsh exchanges on use of a particular word dilemma which may be the other horn of the which had slipped in to my address on the same dilemma of what one has to do, in order 15th of august. well, I do not want to go in to to avert a situation which could lead to who said what yesterday. I would like to bloodshed in the country. We are all happy inform the House that the Slipping in that and relieved that with the co-operation of one word was completely and totally inadvertent. and all, it has been possible to avert a When I was announcing something good for situation of that kind which has given us the some of our deprived brethern, there cOLild time and the opportunity to go into the not have been in my Wildest dreams any question in all its detail. I do hope that with intention to usa"a wrong word to describe similar co-operation from all quarters we will them. The word has been promptly corrected be able to get to the root of the malter and in the official record on the same day. And perhaps see that this running sore is a thing today, I would like to assure the House and of the past. through the House particularly those friends about whom I had spoken that I have nothing Todays, we had, in record time, passed but regret for that inadvertent Slip. the Bill enlarging the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution. It only means that. Parliament Sir, this Session has been a very long when it wants to do work, it is extra fast and one; I would say rather it was an elongated when it is in a different mood, it is absolutely one, so long that on some days we appeared (lbstl u\~ionist, nothing is proceeded with and to prefer not to sit, not to let the House go on nothing and allowed to happen. perhaps so much time was hanging on our heads, that we did not know what to do But So, we have seen Parliament in all its we have had a rather turbilent and yet mood. We are part of it; we are proud of it. 275 Va/iclietary References AUGUST 20, 1992 Valiclictory RBfefffflC8S 276 [Sh. P.V. Narasimha Rao] conclude that the way in which the hon. Speaker, initiated telecasting ofthe Question With these words, I would like to thank Hour of the House through Doordarshan all the .members, all the parties for having was a h,lstorical step. We would be able to made the proceedings of the Parliament pas th-e recommendation of the Rules very lively, at times, very rough and yet on Committee in the next session, Subject the whole, allowing us to company on its Committes would be constituted to do adjournment time with the best of feelings for maximumPariaimentarywol1< through them. one another. I consider it as the best initiative taken by the Govemment. We will definitely be benefited. [ Translation] Its results would in the next session. We have been able to discuss the demands of SHRI LAL K. ADVANI (Gandhi Nagar): only five-six Ministries in the Budget session Mr. Speaker, Sir, associating myseH with the during the last three years. The demands "f views of the hon. Prime Minister I express my all the remaining Ministries are passed without gratitude to leaders of all the parties and the discussion by applying guillotine. We would officers and staff of this Secretariat. During be able to avoid that situation. It would be an the inter-session period between May and aChievement. July, the most important incident which took place was revelations of bank scam. Apart from this a good decision has Therefore,it was but natural that every body been taken by our General Purposes was thinking that the bank scam would Committee. The National Song would be domiate the disucssion in the House. It was sung at the commencement of the session discussed in the beginning but was interrupted . and the seSSion would end with National in the middle, a mention of which has also . Anthem on the concluding day. I consider it been made by the hon. Prime Minister. The a good begining ..... (Interruptions) ..... No, developments in Ayodhya also found its iet us make a begining in an ordinary way and echo in the House. I am glad to note that systematically. It would be introduced from through it was a matter of great concem, it the next session. It would be a good thing. was solved and a state of confrontation was averted. I am glad and agree with the hon. Prime Minister that it would have been better had I hope that the country would find a some more bills been passed. We have solution to the problem in the right direction. referred the Bills on Panchayats and to In the last week of the session of different Nagar Palikas Select Committe. Those had type of confrontation cropped up and even submitted its report but we could not pass the business of the House could not be them. conducted in the Hoseforaday.lwaspained a Jot. Because the earlier confrontation was There was one Constitution between the Central Government and the (Amendment) Bill which I wanted to be M.P. Government. But the confrontation passed. Through this Bill delimitation of during the last week of the session owas a constituencies would be made. , hoped that peculair one which seemed that one section this bill would be passed during this session, of the Housewasconfronting the office of the but it could not be passed.' hope and believe hon. Speaker. I believe thatthey had no such that all these Bills would certainly be passed intention and when the hon. Speaker during the next session. The brining forward expressed his anguish over the matter all of Bill on Delhi wad due yesterday but it could sections of the House expressed the view not be brought. I am also responsible for its that it had no base. Though we may differ, not being brought forward. It will also be we will settle our differences in an orderly brought forward in the next session. It will be manner That confrontation was also averted adopted and elected bodies would be andtoot'.y Le. the last wol1 and constitute a Standing Committee. When SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAG the discussion will be held in the next session; VADDE (Vijayawada): Mr. Speaker, Sir, at we would be able to constitute it on the basis one point of time, as the Prime Minister has of our own experience and practice followed rightly told, we are also very much worried. in foreign countries where standing What is going to happen? Committees are working. Our Parliament may not be the only forum of delebrations or Ultimately, we are very happy that a rural making body but an effective solution could be found out. We are all the implementation machinery also. We hope more happy that the situation was not allowed that all of us would be able re give it proper to go beyond a certain point where the shape under your leadership. feelings are hardened and the persons and organisations sticking it certain viewpoint Mr. Speaker, Sir, as far as hope is going ahead with the same hardened feelings. concerned, I was anxious and distressed for Still the atmosphere is quite conducive and the Panchyati Raj Bill .. ie. the 72nd we hope an amicable solution to solve the constitution (Amendment) Bill. In many vexatious problem in the coming time. For States, elections have bot been held for the that, I should congratulate once again the last 14 years .It would be our failure if the Prime Minister. elections are Iurther postponed. It may not be repeated next time. It should not be listed on the last days of the sessron so that it is We are also very happy that even though disposed. It should be kept in the begining. this idea has been invoked since a long time, It is but natural that the difference in the you have taken the initiative and already country, society and difference of opinion taken certain steps for bringing the committee are reflected in the House. It is not essential f,ystul~ of functioing which will definitely to arrive at unanimity over an issue. Eighth strengthen our parliamentary democracy and Schedule of the constitution was discussed. streamline the administrative procedures it is a matter of great concern that the which will go a long way to have a better languages as Maithili and others would not Government and better rule for the people be included in the Eighth Schedule of he of this country. sometimes there were certain Constitution. We could not convince the moments with all due respect to you when we tjouse as well as the Government. I hope had differed in regard t some views or 'that Maithili, Rajasthani and Dogri Languages decision that had been expressed by you. would be included in the next session. This is merely on the subject or the point of consent and not out of disrespect to the Our country has a population of 85core. Chair and much more to you. If at any point Somehon. friendsfeelthatthe numberof22 of time, we had caused any heart burning, languages recognised by the Sahitya we once again wantto convey that it is not out Academy is on the higher side. But our of disrespect. So, Sir, we thank you, the country s a mixture of ofoif many cultures, I Secretariat and the staff for giving their best feel that we have committed a mistake by not support and cooperation in discharging our placing the subject first. We could not spare duties as Members of Parliament. On behan time to discuss the Eighth Plan. These are of my party, I extend my fullest gratitude to our lapses and will be covered in he next you, Sir. session. I believe that we would be able to expedite the issues in a better way in the MR. SPEAKER: Honourable Members, House under your leadership. All of us will the fourth Session of the Tenth Lok Sabha cooperate with you We could make ourselves comes to a close today. and our party more effecliv~ by plugging the loopholes. With this hope, I conclude and O.;ring this Session which commenced thank you and all my friends. on 8th July, 1992, the House held 31 siltings 281 vallolClory References SRA VANA 20, 1914 (SAKA) Validlctory Refer8Rcss 282 lasting over 160 hours. rhtt House also discussed and passed Statutory ResOlutions seeking approval for On the first sitting of the Session, a continuance in force of the proclamation in Motion of No Confidence in the Council of respect of Jammu & Kashmir issued under Ministers was moved. Discussion on the Article 356 of the Constitution by the Motion which was taken up on 15th July President, tor a further people of sixmonth, spread over three days. On 17th July, the with effect from 3.9.1992 and approval for Motion was voted out after Division. continuance in force of the proclamation In respect of Nagaland issued under Article 532 Question were listed as Starred, of 356 of the Constitution by the President, for which 78 Question were orally answered and a further period of six months, with effect written answers were given to 5585 from 2,10.1992, Questions. Three Half-an-Hour Discussions were also held. One Calling Attention regarding Transport strike resulting in shortage and Coming to legislative business, 19 Bills shooting prices if essential commodities was were introduced in the Lok Sabha. Twenty taken up, and fortunately, on the day on Bills were passed by the House, including which this calling attention came up for one Bill which was introduced in the Rajya discussion, the issue was solved. Sabha, important among them being- the Jammu & Kashmir State Legislature 149 matters were raised under Rule (Delegation of Powers) Bill, 1992, the Foreign 377. Trade (Development and Regulation) Bill, 1992, the Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster Business could not be transacted for (Processing of claims Amendment Bill, 1992 four days during the current session due to the Capital Issues (Control) Repeal Bill, 1992, tLJmuluwous and difficult situations in the the Special Cou.(Trial of Offenes Relating House. Dissent is, however, part of to Transactions iif'Securities) Bill, 1992. The Parliamentarl Democracy and its expression Constitution (Seventy first Amendment) Bill, sometimes takes serious dimensions. I wish 1992 was introduced, considered and passed that we shall have easier time in future. If we today in deference to the unanimous wishes work by following the provisions of of the House. Constitution and rules, we shall be able to work more effectively and speedily. 20.00 hrs. The Private Members continued to Coming to the Financial Business, evince keen interest in bringing forward Bills Excess Demands for Grants both Railways and Resolutions in the House. 19 Bills on a and General for 1988-89, Supplementary variety of subjects were introduced by them. Demands forGrants(Railways) for 1992-93, A Bill seeking to amend the Constitution to Statement of Supplementary Expenditure include Manipuri and Nepali languages in (General) 1992-93 and the Jammu Kashmir the eighth Schedule found wholehearted Budget for 1992-93 were passed. support among all sections of the House. However, on being assured by the Ashort Duration DiSCUSSions under Rule Government that an official Bill on the subject 193 were held, important among them being was on the anvil, the Bill was withdrawn. The -Banks Operations Irregularities running into Government honoured their commitment by thousands of crores rupees which resulted in brining in the Constitution (Seventy First the Constitution of JPC on the ~ubject, Amendment) Bill today and it has been Drought situation in the country and statement passed also. In this respect., I would like to by the Prime Minister regarding RamJanam saytl-:<=II by setting aside all the rules, with the Bhoomi-Babri Masjid Dispute. And fortuntely, cooperation of the entiFe House, we can for us, it has been, with the cooperation of~lI, work in a manner, which is acceptable to all handled in the best possible manner. the Members of the House. While on the one 283 Validictory References AUGUST 20, 1992 Validictory References 284 hand, we can work speedily with rules, the Opposition. We hope that In the next sometimes without rules also we can work Budget year we will be able to have the even more speedily. Committee systems and we will be able to transact our business. I say that the cedit A private Member's Resolution urging shouJdgo to the Leader of the House and the the government to take steps early payment Leader of the Opposition because the idea of compensation to Bhopal Gas victims, was originally floated by them. generated keen interest in the House and the Minister also shared his concern with the I would like to thank the hon. Members, Members over the issue. On being assured the Leader of the House and the Leader of by the Minister that the Government was oposition, the leaders of various parties and taking all necessary steps to expedite the groups, the Ministers of Parliamentary Affairs, process of payment of compensation to the the hon. Deputy Speaker and the hon. victims, the resolution was withdrawn. Chairpersons and Offices of the Secretariat Another resolution regarding review of and the Whips of various parties for their disinvestment policy in PubliC sector unstined cooperation extended to me but for undertakings remained part discussed. which my task would not have been easy. As was said by the hon. Prime Minister The affection and consideration which and I also think in that way, the Session was you have shown to me and my collegues is tough, meaningful and yet productive. Tough our real strength which we would use to do it was because the debates were done with our duty towards Parliament and the people gusto and at times there turmoil in House. of India. But it was productive also because the budgetary provision were approved, Bills Some references were made to what were passed, important issues were happened in the House yesterday. It is a part discussed. In this period only, the elections of the Parliamentary system and democracy. of the President and the Vice President of Sometimes it may go a little out of limits and t India took place and Members had the yet it retains the souls.and heart of itforwhich opportunity and honour of voting in that and nobody should object. The ictta behind what electing our President and Vice President of had happened probably was to express the India to whom the House would like to hearnily views. I think we shall have to take in the congratulate. correct sense in Which probably the eyes and their souls were trying to express. Without On 8th August, 1992, a meeting of he attaching any importance to the form as Members of both the Houses of Parliament such, if the form is good and if the heart is was held to commemorate the Fiftieth good that is the best but if form little faulty and Anniversary of the Quit India Movement. II if the heart is good one should not take was addressed by he resorted President and objection to it, one should look at the heart. respected Prime Minster of India. II was attended by many freedom fighters and Ithink I charish the memories of unstinted other high dignitaries and Members of the Diplomatic corps. cooperation always extended by all the Members and the leaders and all the Offices A Special sitting of the Lok Sabha was in the House. That is the real strength one held on he same day to pass a resolution to can ask for and with which one can work. pay tributes to the memory of the Freedom Fighters of the period of Quite India Now I declare that'the House stands Movements and other Freedom fighters. adjourned sine die. TharJk you very much. The Resolution was passed unanimously. A reference has been made to the 20.10 hrs. Committee system which we propose to adopt. I must say the creditforthis should go The Lok Sabha then adjourned sine die. to the Leader of the House and the Leader of Printed at: S. Narayan & Sons, New Delhi-11 0006 PLS. 40. XV. 31.92 670 © 1992 BY LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT Published under Rules 379 and 382 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in Lok Sabha (Seventh Edition) and printed by S. Nara)an & Sons, Delhi-llOOO6.