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PRICE: $100,000 ($200K invested) Unparalleled Customer CONTACT: Bill Eisele, 219-871-6403, [email protected] Service Since 1979 The Comanche Flyer is the official monthly member publication of the International Comanche Society P.O. Box 1810 Volume 36, No. 10 • October 2009 Traverse City, MI 49685-1810 www.comancheflyer.com U.S.: 888-300-0082 Other: 231-946-3712 Fax: 231-946-6180 Email: [email protected] Published By the International Comanche Society, Inc. www.comancheflyer.com ICS President CONTENTS Dave Fitzgerald (330) 484-4609 Cell: (330) 936-7979 2 Letter from the President Dave Fitzgerald E-mail: [email protected] Managing Editor Comanche Spirit Kim Blonigen 4 Three Years and Many Miles Dick Kuszyk E-mail: [email protected] Display Advertising Manager 8 ICS Items for Sale Genevieve Lyon (800) 773-7798 10 ICS Board of Directors, Tribe Chiefs, Fax: (231) 946-9588 & Tribe Representatives E-mail: [email protected] 2008-2009 ICS Standing Committees Trading Post & Classified Advertising Nancy A. Whitten 11 ICS Technical Directors (800) 773-7798 Fax: (231) 946-9588 ICS Tool Loan Program E-mail: [email protected] CFF-Trained CFIs Graphic Design Brandon Hoffman Online Intelligence E-mail: [email protected] 12 XM Weather Service Problems Printer Village Press 14 ICS Membership Renewal Form 2779 Aero Park Drive Traverse City, MI 49685-0629 Feature www.villagepress.com 18 A Buyer’s Guide to the Piper Comanche Dave Pyle ICS Technical Directors Bill Creech 22 ICS Name Badge Order Form Ph: (915) 581-3401 (9:00 a.m.-9:00 p.m. MST) Fax: (915) 581-6168 Convention News E-mail: [email protected] Where It All Began! Bob Williams Zach Grant 24 Cell: (317) 201-4293 (Calls accepted all hours on his cell, he’ll return call if message left) Feature E-mail: [email protected] 28 AirVenture 2009: Dave Fitzgerald Cliff Wilewski Another Great Week at Oshkosh Scott Ducey Ph: (815) 395-0500, Cell: (815) 979-7785 E-mail: [email protected] Featured Fly-In ICS Tool Loan Program 32 European Tribe Hosts Technical Effi e Andree Wiltens Matt Kurke Fly-In at Jersey 10340 Regent Circle Naples, FL 34109 Ph: (239) 593-6944 The Best of the Flyer [email protected] 36 TOP SECRET − Training Guides Glenn Plymate The Comanche Flyer (ISSN 08994223, USPS 2-324) is available to members; Fly-In Report the $25 annual subscription rate is included 40 Weather Plays Havoc on Fly-In Kevin Davis in the Society’s Annual Membership dues to Grissom Air Field in US funds below. Comanche Flyer is published monthly by Village Press 42 From the Tribe Chiefs U.S., Canada, Mexico One year $66, Two years $120 Fly-In Report Europe and South Africa 44 Southwest Tribe Returns to the Old West Peggy Harmon One year $89, Two years $166 for Annual Business Meeting/Fly-In Australia, All other countries One year $79, Two years $146 46 Comanche Classifi eds Spousal Members $33 per year 47 Advertiser’s Index Cover Photo Dick Kuszyk’s Comanche 250 taking off from 48 Last Laugh his home base of Parlin Field (2B3) in New Hampshire. Copyright Notice The act of making a submission for publication is an express warranty that such contribution does not infringe on the rights or copyright of others. Nothing appearing INTERNATIONAL in the Comanche Flyer shall be reproduced or distributed without the express permission of the publisher. COMANCHE Postmaster SOCIETY, INC. Send address changes to the above address. Periodical postage paid at Traverse City, MI 49686

OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 1 Letter from the President

am writing my last President’s • ICS and CFF have collec- column for the Flyer and I must tively been working together say serving as President of ICS for to sponsor more mainte- Ithe last two years has not only been nance seminars. challenging, it’s been very interesting • We now have a gear simu- and rewarding. I think what has lation box available for impressed me the most is to see just emergency gear exten- how much can be accomplished when sion training. Any tribe members work together to achieve a planning a maintenance common purpose. For the benefit of seminar can contact Matt those ICS members who wonder what Kurke at Comanche Gear goes on behind the scenes at ICS, the for availability. following are just some of the initiatives • The new Comanche Pilot and accomplishments of ICS and CFF, Proficiency Program (CPPP) achieved by working together during the is up and running and last few years. There have been so many available to everyone. This volunteers working on various projects is an excellent program that I will not attempt to mention every- one’s name for fear of missing some. that everyone should take advantage of. • The Comanche Tips book was updated in 2007 and as new tips are acquired, • ICS is now represented at Oshkosh. the Comanche tail issue and other it will continue to be updated. It is We’ve had our own tent on the main Aging Aircraft issues has brought now available for purchase or can be grounds for two years now with recognition to our group as a strong viewed on our website. maintenance and educational semi- and safety-oriented type club by nars. Plans are in place to do the the FAA and EAA. ICS has also been • The Technical Articles section from the same at Sun ‘n Fun in 2010. working hard on ways to better old website is now being updated and will soon be available on the new site. • Significant changes and improve- keep its membership informed on ments have been made to the ICS important maintenance and safety • ICS obtained the rights to the Doug website; we will continue to add issues through its newsletters, web- Killough Pilot Operating Handbooks more useful information and improve site, maintenance seminars and (POH). All the manuals have been its accessibility. social gatherings. reformatted to PDFs and are now available as a single or double-sided • ICS now has a “Fast Notification • Due to good leadership from the publication, either spiral bound or Newsletter” system in place to entire Board of Directors and sound unbound. inform the society of any emergency decisions made by the past adminis- trations, ICS is now financially running • Most technical questions can be or important issues. in the black. To a large extent, this is answered on our Maintenance Forum; • Members of the Australian Tribe due to the move to Village Press, our but if you can’t get an answer there, are working to get approval for a present business managers. you can send a question directly to new main landing gear trunion for our maintenance committee from all Comanches. I strongly encourage any of you who the main menu on our website. • Our membership numbers have would like to help ICS better serve its membership to become involved by • “Care and Maintenance of the Piper increased over the last couple of volunteering to help. You can be sure Single Comanche” written and years and I believe this is not only donated by ICS Member, Bill Creech due to good marketing, but also to an your Tribe Chief is waiting for your is available on our website, or can be increased effort by ICS and CFF to call. Thanks to all the members who ordered from the Comanche Flyer. provide technical seminars and have volunteered their time and ser- Although written primarily with the maintenance information. vices through the years to make ICS everything it is today. Sometimes it’s single in mind, much of the informa- • ICS has been working with the FAA good to stop and reflect on the benefits tion is germane to all Comanches, to help provide the necessary techni- of being a member of the International and is a “should have” for all cal information to help bring the Comanche Society. Comanche owners. issue of a few cracked horns found • ICS is actively supporting represen- on some of our older singles to a sen- Dave Fitzgerald tation to the “Aging Aircraft Program” sible conclusion. I believe that ICS’s sponsored by the EAA, VAA and FAA. initiative to work with the FAA on

2 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 ICS Past Presidents

2006 Lawrence Paratz 2005 Karl Hipp 2004 Skip Dykema 2003 John Van Bladeren 2002 Larry Rackley 2001 Robert Noble 2000 David Buttle 1999 Roy Roberts 1998 Harley McGatha 1997 Charles Wiseman 1996 Bryce Campbell 1995 Jess Bootman 1994 Chuck Medicus 1993 Dale Vandever 1992 Bill Jackson 1991 Martin Busch 1990 George Burson 1989 William Creech 1988 Jim Fox 1987 Pat Rowe 1986 Ted Peifer 1985 Bill Shank 1984 Jerry Irvin 1983 Bill Stanyer 1982 Norn Berneche 1981 Ben Kitchens 1980 Jack Holaway 1979 Larry Larkin 1978 Clifford Younger 1977 Art Shriver 1976 Mike Keedy 1975 George Smith 1974 Paul Rechnitzer 1973 Andy Speer

OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 3 COMANCHE Cover Story: Comanche Spirit THREE YEARS AND MANY MILES

by Dick Kuszyk, ICS #16208

Ready for another trip, taxiing at Parlin Field. 4 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 COMANCHE

n the three years I have owned my Comanche 250, “Licorice”, it has traveled Dick Kuszyk, with his Comanche 250, throughout the United States. I wanted a which he’s named Licorice. true cross-country airplane. There have been several trips to Oshkosh, and Sun ‘n Fun;I and also a cross-country trip from Annapolis, Md. (ANP) to Mackinac Island, Mich. (MCD); Billings, Mont., Kalispell, Mont. (S27), and Glacier National Park in Montana to McMinnville, Ore. (MMV), home of the Spruce Goose, and to the San Juan Islands on the West Coast. Licorice has crossed the Rockies and the Cascades. On the return trip, most of the middles states of the U.S. were crossed. We strafed Mount Rushmore (only kidding!) and stopped at Sporty’s in Ohio. During our trip, we ate at many upscale restaurants. Our best meal was in Ainsworth, Neb. at a converted Dairy Queen that still had the sign up. We had a chicken dinner for $7.50 that was the best meal of the trip! Another trip we’ve made was to Eastport, Maine – the easternmost city in the U.S. We’ve also visited Key West to the South. The only section of the country yet to be visited is the Southwest.

Licorice at its home base of Parlin Field (2B3) in New Hampshire.

OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 5

Spirit A Closer Look My Comanche lives up to everything familiar with the aircraft and more pro- that is said about the airplane. The ficient in all aspects of its care. When I purchased the airplane, it speed, structural strength, useful load, had been substantially restored. It had I originally bought the Comanche, ramp appeal, range and IFR platform new paint, new interior, and a new fire- my second airplane, as a stepping stone are all as advertised and talked about. wall forward with dual exhaust. The as I moved up. But what has happened As we all know, this aircraft is compa- paint and interior were done in 1960’s is an unexpected love affair of the air- rable to the aircraft that are being colors and schemes. The avionics plane, its history, ICS and its members, manufactured today. I can only wonder include dual Collins Coms and Navs and support that I have received. where the Comanche would be if it with dual indicators; a Bendix/King IFR I look forward to seeing those parts of were still being manufactured. 89B; Collins Audio, 4-place intercom; the country yet to be explored and the and two switchable transponders and ICS and its members have been a great adventures ahead of me. As I had stated encoders. Annapolis is in the ADIZ. It source of information about maintenance, in an article in the Flyer a couple of years has a hard-wired yoke mounted Garmin performance and operations. This group ago, “I know what my birth certificate says, 196, dual PTT, EGT and chronometer. has made it easier for me to become but I also know that I am only 18.”

Licorice’s panel, has been kept so far, as purchased.

Comanche Flyer Submission Guidelines

All members are encouraged to submit articles for publication Although submissions are reviewed for technical accuracy, the in the Comanche Flyer. If you have an article about a maintenance information in this magazine is meant for reference only. Any event, trip, piloting technique, or anything else pertinent to modifications, alterations, or major repairs to U.S. aircraft require Comanche ownership, please share it with your fellow members. FAA-approved data as a basis for beginning work, and as such For those with access to the Internet, please submit the article should not be based solely on information contained in this via e-mail, preferably in Microsoft Word. You may also include the magazine. The International Comanche Society does not endorse article in the body of your e-mail message. Include your full any piloting adverse to published FAA regulations. name, as you would like it published, and your ICS number. Submissions are subject to editing and revision unless specifi- Please attach digital pictures, if applicable, in jpeg format. cally requested to be published as submitted. The right is For best results, use the highest resolution setting your camera reserved to publish or not, any submission. will allow. Photo files under 500 kb in size typically do not Deadline for all submissions is the 20th of the month, approx- reproduce well. imately 40 days prior to month of publication. Send to: Kim Blonigen, Managing Editor at [email protected] Articles and photos may also be sent via U.S. Mail to: Kim Blonigen • 2031 South Beech • Wichita, KS 67207

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OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 9 2008-2009 ICS Board Of Directors President: Secretary: CFF President: (non-voting) Dave Fitzgerald, ICS #10297, NC Tribe Alan Burrows, ICS # 16073, EU Tribe Frank Sargeant, ICS #61 5393 Hillsboro Ave. SE St Judes Lodge 6327 81st St E Canton, OH 44707-1167 Old Laxey Hill Puyallup, WA 98371 Ph: (330) 484-4609 Cell: (330) 936-7979 Laxey, Isle of Man Ph: (253) 848-6370 Email: [email protected] IM1 3AD Email: [email protected] Ph: +44 1624 861957 Vice President Email: [email protected] Bernie Mazurek, ICS #7947, NC Tribe 7612 Camminare Drive Treasurer: Sarasota, FL 34238-4774 Don Nelson, ICS #118, NW Tribe Ph: (941) 922-7931 925 Ludwick Ave. Email: [email protected] Blaine, WA 98230-5109 Ph/Fax: (360) 332-2743 Cell: (360) 305-0286 Email: [email protected]

Tribe Representatives and Chiefs Southeast: Northwest: Europe: Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep Sally Williams, ICS #15620 Tribe Chief John van Bladeren, ICS #1282 Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep David Sheppard, ICS #14629 103 Lost Bridge Dr. 2007 SE Ash Street Lipstone Cottage, Cansey Lane Wix Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410-4469 Portland, OR 97214 Wssex Co11 2rj United Kingdom Ph: (561) 625-0313 Ph: (503) 329-8512 Ph: 012-5587-0061 Wrk/Fax: 012-0685-2900 E-mail: [email protected] Email: [email protected] Email: [email protected] Northeast Tribe Tribe Rep Sec Shirley Nelson, ICS #14897 S. Africa: Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep Dick Kuszyk, ICS #16208 925 Ludwick Ave Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep Russell Knowles, ICS #16469 1129 Delaware Avenue Blaine, WA 98230 Box 1114, Halfway House Churchton, MD 20733 Ph: (360) 671-7388 Cell: (360) 305-0287 1685 South Africa Ph: (410) 867-9156 Email: [email protected] Ph/Fax: +27 11 8052902 Email: [email protected] W. Canada: Email: [email protected] North Central: Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep Don Ostergard, ICS #3263 Australia: Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep JJ Miller, ICS #10250 Box 2550 Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep Jim Barry, ICS #15035 3658 Marbella St Drumheller AB T0J 0Y0 Canada 6 Blake Ct. Springfield, OH 45502 Wrk: (403) 823-9326 Fax: (403) 823-9183 Swan Hill VIC 3585 Australia Ph: (937) 322-1334 Hm: (403) 823-8813 Cell: (403) 823-0405 Ph: 03-5032-2885 Email: [email protected] Email: [email protected] Email: [email protected] Mid States: E. Canada: Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep Joseph Judge Jr., ICS #16145 Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep Stewart Campbell, ICS # 16294 358 Beaver Trail 229 Yellow Birch Drive Bailey, CO 80421 Kitchner ON N2N 2P4 Canada Ph: (303) 816-1196 Ph: (519) 568-7491 Email: [email protected] Email: [email protected] South Central: Tribe Chief Bob Cretney, ICS #2269 434 McDaniel Rd Ferris, TX 75125 Ph: (214) 725-6584 Email: [email protected] Tribe Rep Bruce Thumann, ICS #14028 2008-09 ICS Standing Committees & Chairpersons: 6618 Avenel Drive Pasadena, TX 77505 Historical – Chair: Bylaws, Standing & Special Marketing – Chair: Home: (281) 487-5782 Work: (713) 649-8588 Dale Vandever, SC. Rules – Chair: Dick Kuszyk, NE Cell: (713) 875-3056 Fax: (713) 649-8151 Communications – Chair: Don W. Nelson, NW Editorial Committee: Email: [email protected] Monica Rehkopf, EU Dave Fitzgerald, NC – Chair Nominating Committee: Lorne Harmon, SW Southwest: Tech & Maintenance – Chair: Lorne Harmon, SW - Chair Zach Grant, NC Bernie Mazurek, NC Tribe Chief Kristin Winter, ICS #15964 Flagship – Chair: Phil Role, NW 905 Holly Lane Finance & Budget – Chair: Dale Vandever, SC Dale Vandever, SC Petaluma CA 94952 Don W. Nelson, NW Ph: (707) 477-4727 Elections – Chair: Email: [email protected] Bruce Thumann, SC Tribe Rep Mike Foster, ICS #14077 Ph: (909) 208-6616 Email: [email protected]

10 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 ICS TECHNICAL Cliff Wilewski Ph: (815) 395-0500 CFF-Trained CFIs DIRECTORS Cell: (815) 979-7785 E-mail: [email protected] Bill Creech Certified flight instructors who have com- Ph: (915) 581-3401 pleted a CFF approved training program Fax: (915) 581-6168 The International Comanche Society, Inc. (ICS) publishes this list E-mail: [email protected] ICS TOOL LOAN in the spirit of open discussion and the opinions, statements and *No calls before 9:00 a.m. or after 9:00 p.m. PROGRAM claims made by the instructors are their own and not of the Mountain Standard Time. Society (ICS). The listed CFIs have undergone an extensive training program specialized in the Comanches. ICS assumes no respon- Zach Grant Matt Kurke sibility for any actions between its members and the listed CFIs. Cell: (317) 201-4293 10340 Regent Circle E-mail: [email protected] Naples, FL 34109 Roger Wentowski – AL Ph: (239) 593-6944 Single, (205) 290-8401 (Calls accepted all hours on his cell, [email protected] he’ll return call if message left) [email protected] Todd Underwood - AZ (Phoenix/Prescott) Single/Twin, (623) 202-6910 [email protected]

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The following is from a series of I had the same problem on a 396; at sure what the term is). This has worked online postings from the Comanche’s Sun ‘n Fun this April, I took it up with for me in the past. The code will be sent Owner’s Forum. These postings are XM and Garmin. I was told by reps at for a limited time so you want to be sure provided for informational purposes only. both companies that some early XM that your unit is powered up and receiv- The views expressed in these postings antennas have a problem with an over- ing a signal. It’s best just to go fly for a represent the opinions of individual heating component that stops the unit while. The number is (800) 967-2346. Comanche owners and have not been from working after it is on for a while. John vetted by the ICS technical committee. The fact that we place them on the top ______As a responsible pilot and aircraft of the glare shield under the windscreen owner, you should always seek the makes the problem worse. Mine would I’m fairly certain that antenna place- advice from an experienced, trusted run forever on the test bench, but would ment is not my problem as I receive nearly source, such as your A&P or CFF- only last 15-20 minutes in the plane. all of the other data elements. I e-mailed approved CFI, before applying any of Call Garmin tech support. They are Garmin about this and they (uncharac- the techniques or recommendations familiar with the problem and will prob- teristically) immediately suggested I call presented in these postings. ably offer a replacement antenna. XM. I’ve historically had horrible luck The postings are printed as they with XM support and very good luck Jim Hiatt appeared in the Forum. Due to space with Garmin. The XM guy explained ______considerations, we are publishing that each data element (e.g., METAR, TAF, winds) is essentially a separate only selected posts. XM WX uses geostationary satellites ______channel just like a music station, and over the equator. These are approxi- that it was plausible for just a channel or mately 23,800 miles high and depending I’m attempting to troubleshoot an issue two to “disappear” from the subscrip- on where you are about 35 to 55 tion. I have the Aviator subscription. with my Garmin 396 with XM Weather degrees elevation at ground level. I’m still skeptical about this explana- and the Aviator package. On the last few Receiver antenna location is critical tion, but I kind of had to do what he flights, after successfully fetching all of and is sometimes blocked depending suggested which was to resend me the the weather elements, the unit eventual- on the position of the aircraft. Do not subscription signal. I did this while in ly stops updating the METARs and TAFs. confuse this with GPS signals, which my house. Unfortunately, there’s nothing Recycling it seems to remedy the issue uses a multitude of elliptical orbit satel- to indicate on the GPS that the signal for a while, but then it happens again. lites and come from all directions. This has been received by the unit. I’m curious if anyone else has seen may not be your problem, but those who Can you guess what happened when I this. If so, it may indicate a problem with are traveling north and only use glare went flying? That’s right; I failed to the service, and if not, it may indicate shield antennas frequently experience receive almost all the “stations.” When I an issue with the unit itself. similar problems. The two GHz signal rebooted, my subscription said “NO Thanks, from a satellite is minimal, so installa- SUBSCRIPTION.” Nice. tion is critical. FSL= 36 + 20 log D miles Frank and 20 log F in GHz. The good news is The next day I flew again, and poof! ______the signal is not generally affected by Everything works perfectly. I have precipitation like the Ku band. learned nothing from this experience Try updating your software (not the about what the problem is/was, whether ______aviation/terrain/obstacle databases); or not it’s truly resolved, and what, if free on Garmin’s website. anything, resolved it. If you haven’t already done so, call XM Jay and have them resend your activation Frank ______code (or whatever it is they do … not ______

12 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 I have experimented with Sirius and plan that includes turbulence forecasts, was prior to installing version 3.3, or XM antennas and find nothing takes the the CIP and SLD icing forecast products after. When it occurred, I called XM and place of a well-mounted external anten- and a lot of other stuff, but that Aviator they resent the activation signal for me Online intelligence na. The signal is much weaker inside the Pro package is twice as expensive – a which fixed the problem. little too pricey for me. cabin without the external antenna and John can be quite directional as well. Matt Best, ______found this out coming to see me when Jay he was traveling north. I bet he has That bit about where your antenna is installed a good external antenna by ______on the dash answered a lot of my ques- now. One idea is only travel south and tions from before! In relation to the leave the antenna on the windshield. The Aviator Lite package would be heading, etc. Another idea is to buy a Cessna with sufficient, except it doesn’t include ______Omni Vision and put a second antenna winds aloft which I like to have visually back there as well. on my screen. It forces me to get the full Aviator package, so for winds I am Our thanks to Dale Vandever for Ron chunking up $20 more a month. Dang! compiling this text. You can view these ______messages in the context of the entire discussion by going to: http://forums. Ditto your comments on antenna Hi Jeff- delphiforums.com/comancheflyer. location. When flying east, I put the I have a GDL-69A and subscribe to antenna on the right side of the glare XM Weather (Aviator) and XM Music. shield; when flying west, I move it to the The latest software is version 3.3 for the left side. GDL-69A. If you don’t have it, get it. Jay Some issues have been reported with ______old software and the MX-20 and/or GMX-200 MFDs. Also, on occasion I I have the same setup you do in my have had XM Weather items not update 250, have noted delays as long as 20 or not show up at all. I can’t recall if this minutes before an update, but have not had to recycle the unit. The issue would obviously be in the receiver. How do you mount it? I use an Air Gizmo bracket. I don’t have a solution, but do note a similar issue. ______Update Your Old Comanche Panel I also have an Air Gizmo. I called XM Make Room for a MFD about this and they resent my subscrip- tion, which seems to have remedied the issue. The different data elements take different times to refresh and initially load, so some taking 20 minutes doesn’t totally surprise me. I typically turn the unit on while preflighting to get a head start on the data loading. ______

On a related note, after a long time off Update your panel to a standard “T” configuration. Add space for for engine overhauls and such, I flew new electronics. All panels computer drawn and laser cut. from Oregon to Southern California and back this week. Before the trip I updated ‘58-60 Centerstack Conversion $950.00 (Fully STC’d) the unit software on my 396 and ‘61-68 Single or Twin $825.00 (Fully STC’d) refreshed the XM, just in case. It worked flawlessly. Recuts left side – $250 • Recuts right side – $100. (Prior Panels) For those who haven’t looked, the Aviator package on XM now includes a Contact: John Van Bladeren at: Pireps function. You need to download the latest (free) software update (ver- Ron & John’s Comanche Service sion 4.8). The Pireps show up as small 2007 SE Ash Street • Portland, OR 97214 blue boxes, move the cursor over them and you see the coded Pirep. Click on (503) 329-8512 (Day or Night) • Fax: (503) 234-0677 the box and you get the plain text trans- e-mail: [email protected] lation. There is a more expensive XM

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OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 15 Introducing the new ICS PILOT’S OPERATING HANDBOOK AND FAA APPROVED AIRPLANE FLIGHT MANUAL “Formerly Published And Produced by the late Douglas L. Killough”

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Order Manual Gross Year(s) Flight Manual SN SN Model Qty Number Weight Mfg Report Number Begin End Singles: 01.) 180 2550 1957-64 1047 24-1 3687 02.) 250 2800 1958-60 997 103 2298 03.) 250 2900 1961 1127 2299 2843 04.) 250 2900 1962-64 1179 2844 3687 05.) 250 2900 1962-64 1220 (FI) 2844 3687 06.) 260 2900 1965 1334 4000 4299 07.) 260 2900 1965 1333 (Carb) 4000 4299 08.) 260B 3100 1966-68 1359 4300 4803 Not Avail 09.) 260B 3100 1966-68 1358 (Carb) 4300 4803 10.) 260C 3200 1969-72 1545 4804 5028 11.) 260T 3200 1970-72 1640 (Turbo) 4901 5028 12.) 400 3600 1964-65 1295 26-3 148 Twins: 13.) PA30 3600 1963-68 1269 30-2 1744 1969 1515 1745 2000 14.) PA30T 3725 1964-68 1269 (Turbo) 143 1744 1969 1515 (Turbo) 1745 2000 15.) PA39 3600 1970-72 1605 39-1 155 16.) PA39T 3725 1970-72 1605 (Turbo) 1 155 16 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 Introducing the new ICS Tired of your stem?... PILOT’S OPERATING HANDBOOK Whatta drag! OAT AND FAA APPROVED Outside Air Temperature AIRPLANE FLIGHT MANUAL gauge “Formerly Published And Produced by the late Douglas L. Killough” Replace your present stem thermometer with a new digital read-out • New features: night light, auto-power shut-off, stand-by battery, push button switches. • Reads F° or C° in large, easily read numbers. • Tiny no-drag outside fairing. Go faster! • Designed by Comanche owner for Comanches. • Models for Brand X low and high wing planes. • No wiring. Accurate to 1°; Resolution, 0.1° • Contains 2 easily replaced 5000 hour batteries.

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OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 17 Feature A Buyer’s Guide to the Piper Comanche by Dave Pyle, ICS #730

Comanche PA-24-260B

iper got it right when they pro- duced their first truly modern Pairplane in 1957. Beechcraft and Cessna were already making popular all metal airplanes when Piper designed the first Comanche. It was a winner out of the starting gate. The design looked fast just sitting on the ground and the

Comanche PA-24-400

modern design didn’t change very much through 1972 when production ended. As testament to the concept - a Twin Comanche was introduced in 1963 and quickly took over the light twin market. All Comanches are classified as “complex” aircraft with retractable landing gear and controllable pitch pro- Twin Comanche PA-39 pellers. There are still nearly 5,000 Comanches of all models worldwide. 18 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 Over the years Comanche pilots have been fiercely loyal. They came together to form the International Comanche Society in 1972 and today membership numbers consist of 2,500 devoted owners. Many believe that Comanches are the best airplanes Piper ever produced. Comanche PA-24-180 (1957-64) The 180 was the first production Comanche. The model designation came from the Lycoming O-360 engine that cruised up to 160 MPH. Today 180s are favored for their reli- ability and four cylinder (10 GPH) economy. While production ended in 1964, there are still 730 in U.S. registry. In 2009, prices for 180s range from $40K to $60K. Panel of a Twin Comanche Comanche PA-24-250 (1958-64) The Comanche 250 is the bellwether of the line. Piper Comanche PA-24-250 panel produced over 2,500 and there are more than 1,600 in the U.S. fleet. At the start, the 250 had a carbureted Lycoming O-540 engine rated at 250 HP. During the production years, evolu- tionary improvements were made. Toe brakes and electric flaps became available. More importantly in the early 1960s, fuel capacity was increased from 60 to 90 gallons. At 157 knot cruise and 14 GPH, the 250 has a 1000-mile non-stop range, which can be extended to over 1,200 with reduced power. Another advantage over competition was that payload (with full fuel) approached 700 pounds which made it a true four place airplane with no CG load issues. It is a very comfortable, stable cross- country airplane. Current resale prices are $55K to $80K for well-maintained and equipped 250s. (continued on next page)

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OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 19 Comanche PA-24-400

PA-24-400 (1964-65) As testimony to the timeless design and structural integrity of the Comanche, Piper introduced the 400 in 1964. The model designation came from the Lycoming IO-740 (400 HP) engine that added two cylinders to the proven six cylinders in the 250. This is a unique and special airplane. Only 146 were built and just over 100 are currently registered. Exceptional Twin Comanche PA-30 performance is the hallmark of the 400. Full power cruise is well over 200 MPH burning 20 GPH. It has the same cabin as the 1965 250s. Limited production PA-24-260 (1965-72) Horsepower went from 250 to 260 makes this a collector’s airplane. Resale Model designations become more and cruise speed gained four knots to prices reflect continuing demand for important from 1965 through the end 160 knots or 185 MPH. The airframe the Comanche speedster: $100K to of production in 1972; 1965 was a and cabin were not changed. The 1965 $160K. Because of the high overhaul transition year. The Lycoming fuel- PA-24-260 looked like the 250 and full cost of the 1,800-hour IO-740, today’s injected IO-540 engine replaced its fuel (90 gallon) payload was 660 prices usually reflect engine time. carbureted predecessor. pounds. Some believe that this model (except for the 400) is the fastest single engine Comanche. There were 300 pro- duced. The average 2009 resale prices ASHBY AIRCRAFT GLARESHIELDS are in the $60K to $75K range. Cessna - Piper - Beech - Mooney Piper embarked on competitive One piece hand-laminate with a molded Naugahyde tex- upgrades starting in 1966. The PA-24- ture, designed to tuck under the windshield from the front 260 (B) was introduced which had the totally covering the top of the instrument panel. same dimensions as the 250 with a Protects Instruments from Intense Heat The glareshield extends (3) three inches past the front of substantially changed interior which the panel to shade instrument faces. The reinforced “lip” can be identified by the third cabin forms a nifty handhold on the Glareshield’s front edge and window. These changes allowed for a provides room for mounting optional FAA approved lights cabin-accessible baggage area, which for greater night visibility. could accommodate small fifth and Call Toll Free 1-877-4-SPRUCE sixth seats. Other changes included a 7 7 7 8 2 3 more modern panel and reconfigured www.aircraftglareshield.com engine compartment. These changes enabled a gross weight of 3,100 pounds,

20 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 most of which increased load carrying with no sacrifice in performance. Production consisted of 504 B models from 1966-68 and resale prices are from $65K to $95K. In 1969, continuing the Comanche evolution, Piper introduced the PA-24- 260 (C) which included even more modern interiors, a rearranged panel, and redesigned engine compartment with a cowling sometimes referred to as the distinctive “shark nose”. Gross weight was increased to 3,200 pounds, making the full fuel payload nearly 900 pounds - remarkable for a 260 HP airplane. A factory-new 260C sold for $46,000 and today one would expect to pay $85K to $120K for one of the “last Comanches”. Only 197 were pro- duced 1969-72. A variant of the 260C is the 260T; a factory turbo model which had limited Comanche PA-24-260C panel (28) production 1970-72. The Twin Comanche (TC) the same as the 250s of the model year. Production started for the TC in Their engines are the Lycoming IO-320, 1963 and continued through 1972. The fuel-injected-rated at 160 HP. Standard first model was a PA-30. The cabin was fuel is 90 gallons with 120 gallons if tip tanks are installed. Cruise airspeed is Comanche PA-24-260C 172 knots. Twin Comanches win the Comanche PA-24-180 prize for twin-engine efficiency. They burn only 16 GPH (both engines) to attain their respectable cruise, which is only about two GPH more than the Twin Comanche PA-30 singles. In the early days, the twins were popular for training. Today the 1963-65 TCs are available at prices between $50K to $90K. In 1966, the TCs began improve- ments that, as in the singles, made them more modern airplanes. The first is the 1966 PA-30B, which was intro- duced including a turbo version. That was followed in 1969 by the PA-30C. In 1970 counter-rotating props answered the long-standing takeoff VMC limitation. TCs have benefited from after-market improvements and many are highly modified. These improvements apply to speed, handling and safety, making it unique and prized among today’s twins, especially for those looking for their first twin. Prices of the 1966-72 models vary from $75K to $125K with the turbos and C/R’s higher priced. Depending on their condition, the TCs are exceptional values today. Comanche PA-24-260B Within the Comanche worldwide fleet about a third are twins.

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OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 23 Convention News

Where It All Began! by Bob Williams, ICS #13853

ello October! We’re right around the HID landing light system. Each prize is worth corner from the ICS Convention starting roughly one KiloBuck. October 13 in Dayton, Ohio. H This year we have a good number of first- I hope you have all registered for the conven- time conventioneers registered. There is always tion by now, but if you haven’t, there is still the unexpected and exciting, but I feel this will time. Although the Marriott has released the be the convention where the new and the old rooms from our reservation, there will probably come together to brighten the future of our fine be some available if you wish to reserve one, but airplane and the international organization. you must do so quickly. Please be there. We have received two significant raffle prizes A short time ago, convention co-chairman Bill offered by our vendors and sponsors. Plane Schnauffer sent an e-mail out to some friends. and Pilot magazine has sent a Lightspeed You may have received it, but it is so appropriate Zulu headset, and Knots-2-U, Ltd. has sent a that I had to reprint it here.

24 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 Here are two responses from Bill’s e-mail. They’re short and sweet, and express my personal feelings about the convention: Hello Comanche Friends, The opening day of our BIG EVENT is getting closer and closer. I appreci- Amen, Bill (and Bob), ate all of your phone calls, and will continue to try and return them as quickly as I can. I’ve only attended the last nine The predominant question, from the membership that I continue to conventions, but having done so, I sorely regret missing the first 25. answer is, “Why should I attend this event?” Well, in a very few words I will attempt to give you a series of answers. Good Lord and the elements For those of you who want “technical information” on how to care willing − not likely to miss another. for your aging aircraft, it is available to you at the ICS Convention Don Nelson, ICS #118 by the best talent on the planet. The event is like a MEGA MAINTENANCE SEMINAR. Hi All, For those of you who want to LEARN about upgrades, modifications and improvements to your Comanche airplane, it is at the ICS Convention. Let me give a loud and clear “well done” for that e-mail from I have attended the ICS Conventions since 1992 for the above reasons, Bill. I’ve been attending these con- but most of all, it is to be with my Comanche friends who come from all ventions since 1982 and have over the world. always enjoyed them tremendously If you have not yet registered for the ICS Convention, and have never and have ALWAYS returned home attended such an event, please consider coming to this truly worth- as a more enlightened and safer while event. Comanche pilot. William Schnauffer, IV, ICS # 12489 This is not one to miss. Dayton ‘09 Co-Chair Cheers, Bill Creech Rockford, IL 61101

(continued on next page) OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 25 required, but if you know for sure that - Throttle must be at idle when cross- Let the you would be interested, please let us ing the threshold Games Begin! know so we can plan accordingly. Good Luck and Have Fun! There is no entry fee and there will be Bomb Drop by Keith Vanover, fantastic awards for the winners. - Two bombs The Rules are Simple: ICS #14544, - Fly over the target at 500 AGL, slow Air Games Chairman Spot Landing cruise, NO flaps While you are at the ICS Convention, - Two landing attempts - Only bombs within 200 feet of the October 13-19, make sure to come and - Land within 200 feet of the desig- target will be scored; anything fur- join in the fun activities that we have nated spot ther will automatically be given a planned for Saturday. Test your flying - Your score is the average of the two score of 200 feet. skills by participating in the Spot attempts - Your score will be the average of the Landing Contest and/or the Bomb - Measurement is taken from where the two attempts Drop Contest. Pre-registration is not main gear touches down and stays Bombs Away!

for you at the airport. Otherwise, you • • • • • Last Minute Items will be transported to the Enterprise Franco’s Ristorante Italiano located at Rental cars office where you will fill out the 824 East Fifth St., Dayton, OH 45402. The convention committee is renting same information and pick up your Authentic Italian cuisine; offering best all the cars. We have a group rate pre- car. Be sure to register all licensed driv- pasta, steaks, chops and seafood. Upscale- arranged. DO NOT RENT YOUR OWN ers. That way, you can regroup and casual attire. Hours: 11:00 a.m.-10:00 CAR, as you will not get the discount send the different groups to different p.m. (11:00 p.m. Friday & Saturday). and not be reimbursed. If you arrive destinations. Use the form below, or • • • • • commercial at one of the area airports, download it from Comancheflyer.com. Pacchia located at 410 East Fifth St., let us know and a car will be waiting. You Dayton, OH 45402. will need to leave a credit card imprint, Tribe Night Dinners but it will not be charged unless you I asked the convention bureau to send Elegant upscale dining with a unique don’t return the car. Your only respon- a list of restaurants with separate meet- relaxed atmosphere. Freshly prepared sibility is to fill the cars with gasoline ing rooms suitable for tribe night, and got entrees and award-winning desserts. before returning the car to the airport. this list. I can vouch that the ones I have • • • • • eaten at are well worth the visit. For this to work, you will need to fill Jay’s Seafood located at 225 East Sixth out the Enterprise Rent-a-car Group Thai 9 located at 11 Brown St., Dayton, St., Dayton, OH 45402 Renter Agreement and mail it to Linda Ohio 45402. An 1852 Grist Mill with 32-foot Fitzgerald (the same address as the Offers exceptional authentic Thai mahogany bar built in 1878. Fresh seafood registration). We need this mailed to and Japanese cuisine in an exciting, arrives by freight three times weekly and obtain your signature, as well as the unique and inviting atmosphere. Lunch spectacular wine list. No lunch hours, balance of the information on the form. served 11:30 a.m.-2:30 p.m.; Dinner Dinner 5:00 p.m.-10:00 p.m. (11:00 p.m. If we have this, your car will be waiting served 5:00 p.m.-9:30 p.m. Friday & Saturday, 9:00 p.m. on Sunday).

26 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 • • • • • COMPETITIVE when the time arrives. Both FBOs are also very excited The Pine Club located 1926 Brown St., Contact information for each is as follows: about our arrival and the opportunity Dayton, OH 45409. Aviation Sales, Inc., Manager, Tom Card. to show off their UNCONTROLLED A tradition in Dayton since 1947 and Phone: (937) 885-3662. Sells AvFuel; GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT to the one of the country’s great steakhouses. price on 8/24/2009, $3.99/gal. Additional Comanche community. Since there is Dinner: 5:00 p.m.-12:00 a.m. discount for AIRBOSS membership, no commercial passenger service to AOPA credit card, and AvFuel card. this airport, the TSA hasn’t made it a • • • • • truly unfriendly airport. You can still Old Hickory BBQ located at 1082 Commander Aero, Manager, John do things the old-fashioned way. You Brown St., Dayton, OH 45409. Bosch. Phone: (888) 881-5580. Sells AirBP, price on 8/24/2009, $3.95/gal. will simply love Dayton, love MGY, the An excellent restaurant for BBQ, Additional discount for AIRBOSS Dayton Wright Brothers Airport, and seafood and steaks. Dinner: 5:00 p.m.- membership, AOPA credit card, or the 2009 International Comanche 1:00 a.m. (Friday & Saturday). AirBP credit card. Society Convention. • • • • • Coco’s Bistro located at 515 Wayne Ave., Dayton, OH 45402. Great food in a casual elegant atmo- sphere near the Oregon District. Dinner served 5:00 p.m.-11:00 p.m. • • • • • Uno Chicago Grill located at 126 N. Main St., Dayton, OH 45402. Home of the original deep-dish pizza. Full service restaurant with bar and many specialty dishes. Hours: 11:00 a.m.-11:00 p.m. • • • • • Milano’s located at 1834 Brown St., Dayton, OH 45409 Atlantic City submarine house that makes their bread fresh daily. Hours: 11:00 a.m.-2:30 a.m. (Friday & Saturday). • • • • • Elsa’s Mexican Restaurant located at 3618 Linden Ave., Dayton, OH 45410 A festive atmosphere with a casual dining area and sports bar. Hours: 11:00 a.m.-11:00 p.m. (Friday & Saturday). Airport Remember there are two FBOs at the airport. Each offers its own services, and is supporting our convention. As of today, there is virtually no difference in the cost of fuel and any ramp or tie- down fee is waived. If you want your airplane hangared, call each of the FBOs and see who can accommodate you. Aviation Sales, Inc. has hosted most of our meetings and is providing their spa- cious lobby for the vendor presence on Airport Day. Commander Aero is hosting the Airport Day lunch, and providing hangar space for the hands-on seminars. Both FBOs have the lowest price on gas in the area, (check it out on AirNav.com) and both have committed to a $0.10 per gallon discount. Each said the discount could improve as convention approaches, so assume that the fuel will be VERY OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 27 Feature AirVenture 2009: Another Great Week at Oshkosh low 80s. ICS was well supported with For the second year in a row, Don and ICS Overview more than 200 members and guests Shirley Nelson managed the sale of ICS by Dave Fitzgerald, signing in from several countries includ- goodies at our tent and were there to ICS President, ing Canada, England, France, Germany, greet members and guests as they arrived. Scotland, Africa, Argentina, Brazil, Several members stepped in to help, ICS #10297 Sweden, and even as far away as particularly Dennis and Ilene Carew and Australia (hope I didn’t miss anybody). Skip Dykema. Shirley had good sales of n spite of a somewhat less than our ICS goodies, including shirts, caps, vibrant economy, AirVenture 2009 Bob Cretney arranged the seminars cups, and Maintenance, POH, and Tips was well attended this year with in the ICS tent which covered various manuals. Don reports 12 new and renew- Imore than 500,000 aviation enthu- Comanche maintenance issues, new ing members signing up, including a few siasts showing up from practically every avionics innovations and insurance who had dropped out of ICS some time country on the planet. The weather was possibilities for the future. With the ago. JJ Miller managed the Comanche exceptionally cooperative with tem- exception of rain a couple of mornings, arrival and did a great job getting all of peratures mostly in the high 70s and the seminars were well attended. our Comanches on the ground safely. ) UCEY D COTT : S CREDIT

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OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 29 ADS0052 01-09.indd 1 2/3/09 11:43:03 AM To sum it all up, everything went flying stories with other Comanche very well, making it an outstanding A Pilot’s Dream is flyers. I had the privilege of chatting show for ICS this year. A big “Thank Going to Oshkosh with Al Powers and John Rathburn. You” goes to all who helped make Both are from Washington state, and AirVenture 2009 an outstanding suc- by Scott Ducey, Al has owned his Twin Comanche cess for ICS. ICS #16789 since 1966, which is the year in which I was born. You wouldn’t know it from ICS Dinner As pilots we wait in anticipation for speaking with him, but Al is 80 years it all year long. No, not the Sports old. My group of friends enjoyed lis- Ilene Carew arranged our ICS din- Illustrated swimsuit edition ... ner on Thursday evening, July 30, tening to him talking about his flying AirVenture! This marks the 57th year experiences with his Twin Comanche. again at Green Lake this year. In 2004, for EAA AirVenture. Tom Proberezny Harley McGatha set up the first dinner If you ever have the opportunity to said it was “a convention that will go meet Al Powers at Oshkosh, or else- at Green Lake and it has since become down in the record books as one of the where, introduce yourself to him, you an ICS tradition to go there on best ever.” With over 500,000 attend- won’t regret it. Thursday evening for dinner and ees from 65 nations, Oshkosh seemed socializing. There were over 54 in our to be having a banner year. As I took a On Sunday morning everyone was group, with two past presidents – Roy taxi to my hotel, the North 40 was briefed for the Comanche arrival. Roberts and Skip Dykema – in atten- filled with aircraft, as Oshkosh wel- Unfortunately 30-minutes prior to the dance. We also had the pleasure of comed over 10,000 airplanes. But part mass arrival, a Pietenpol ground- having two of our members from down of the joy of this experience is not only looped and the runway was closed. under (Australia), Ken Munn and Ojars being in Oshkosh, but getting there. That meant all the Comanches had to Balodis, dining with us. The evening land on the taxiway, east of runway My journey began with a few friends was dedicated to Harley and Frank 36. All 30 Comanches arrived safely out of New Jersey, with the goal of Radspinner, who are no longer with nevertheless. A big “Thank You” to JJ meeting up with JJ Miller and the us but would have truly enjoyed this Miller for all his hard work in putting other Comanches in Watertown. As special event. this together. usual, we pick a new place to land overnight between New Jersey and One final story … while I walked A side note from ICS Board around the campground taking pic- Member, Shirley Nelson: Oshkosh. This year it was Beaver Island. We were joined by Don and tures I met someone that flew his Twin ICS would not have a booth at Shirley Nelson of the International Comanche all the way across the Oshkosh if it were not for our presi- Comanche Society. Beaver Island is in Atlantic from Germany to be at dent, Dave Fitzgerald. For several Lake Michigan and hosts two airports. Oshkosh. He told me his airplane has years, Dave and Harley McGatha have The island is very tranquil and laid been all over the world including plac- made all the arrangements for our back. If you are looking for something es like China, India and Iran. He also presence at Oshkosh. It has only been off the beaten track, and a bit of soli- said that people in the U.S. don’t real- the last two that we have had our own tude, this place is it! We stayed at the ize how good they have it with respects booth. This year Dave was left with the Beaver Island Lodge, which had nice to flying, stating “You guys just get in responsibility of arranging for the site, accommodations at a reasonable price, your airplane and go. You have no tent, chairs, workers, etc. and a great restaurant called Nina’s. bureaucracy, and plenty of freedom to move about. That is not the case in As members of ICS, we thank you On Saturday afternoon, we headed many other regions of the world.” for all your efforts to keep the to Watertown and were greeted by Comanche airplane and ICS in the many Comanches already parked on I have to say, every year when I forefront of the aviation community the ramp. Like last year, we had a nice make the journey to Oshkosh, I and general public. BBQ in the big hangar and exchanged remind myself how lucky I am to be a pilot and own an airplane. I get to see places that I would NEVER see, and meet people that share the same love of aviation that I have. AirVenture 2010 can not get here soon enough!! Note: Some of the photos of my journey to Oshkosh are featured in this story. If you are interested in see- ing more, go to http://scottducey. phanfare.com.

30 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 Comanches arriving in Watertown.

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Comancheland at OSH.

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Airbus 380 at OSH.

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OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 31 Featured Fly-In

Everyone enjoying dinner at the Merton Hotel. Bob Weber (right) receiving an appreciation gift from European Tribe Chief, David Sheppard. European Tribe Hosts Technical Fly-In at Jersey by Effie Andree Wiltens

32 • Comanche Flyer SEPTEMBER 2009 y co-owner Frits and I had just become owners of a PA-24-260C Comanche, MN90VK! The first thing we did, even before uncorking the cham- pagne, was to become members of the ICS. Fortunately the European Tribe had organised a technical fly-in in Jersey that seemed to be designed and timed just for us. What a great oppor- tunity to get to know the essentials of our new aircraft and learn about things from the gurus in the field, including experts from the U.S. Of course we registered for this event immediately. With it came a wealth of technical information and useful tips at exactly the moment we most needed it. ICS members had been of invaluable help in the months leading up to our first flight. The welcome from the European Tribe has been extraordinary; with Ben Ayalon and David Sheppard donating generous chunks of their time and showing inordinate patience A beautiful view of the Jersey coast and a local water mill were among the with our novice questions. sites seen on the Sunday tour. The flight from Rotterdam to Jersey took just over two hours; remarkably state apart from being under British the top experts. In this case Bob Weber, this distance was one of the longest protection and having adopted certain himself, from Webco. Thanks must our Comanche had ever flown in its British values and customs. also go to the CFF for their generous entire 1,400-hour life, despite its It was decided that our plane was to contribution and support that made 120-gallon fuel capacity and (to us) be the test object for the technical ses- this technical seminar possible. People mind-boggling range. We climbed to sions during the coming days. Together like Bob make it possible for people FL130 on an IFR flight plan and land- Frits and I can command some exper- like us to keep flying planes that are ed at Jersey Airport after a beautiful no longer made. Who else can you and uneventful trip. There, we received tise – he has logged close to 1,000 hours in various GA aircraft in 20 turn to when manufacturers and a warm welcome and spent time get- authorities withdraw their support, ting to know our new Comanche years, and I am approaching 1,500 your aircraft’s systems are older than friends before a bus took us to the logged hours – so although we are not the engineers that service them and it hotel. Thanks to the meticulous prepa- complete novices, we have learned is no longer part of a maintenance rations and the tireless work of the more during this particular event than organisation’s required expertise and organisers to make the event run as we did in all the years before. In the the risk of getting “paperwork mainte- smooth as clockwork down to the months leading up to this trip, we had smallest detail. We felt like VIPs com- already learned how much selfless sup- nance” becomes even greater? ing home from an exhausting business port the ICS can give over a distance. Bob’s work has had a big effect on trip, finding everything laid out and At Jersey we found how wonderful it is the safety of GA operations in general, taken care of. Compliments are in to meet our fellow Comanche enthusi- and those of the Comanche fleet in order, and more, because we were asts. But at the technical seminar we particular. Flying is a very safe activity received and absorbed by the group as found out how priceless the technical indeed, but we are convinced beyond if we had been ICS members for years. expertise pooled and shared through any doubt that attending the ICS tech- the ICS can be. Jersey is a magical island between nical fly-in with Bob’s seminar has the worlds of England and France, yet Not only does it come to you through made our operational safety level sig- not part of either. The ravages of the website with its downloadable ser- nificantly higher. Besides landing gear World War II had not succeeded in vice manual and parts catalogue, or the problems, many more maintenance destroying its fierce independence. ICS forum where you can get answers points specific to Comanches were Most people think Jersey is a part of as well as moral support, but at the explained, and illustrated with photos England, but it is really a separate technical seminar you hear it all from in the handouts. (continued on page 34)

OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 33 A Comanche on jacks helped with visuals at the technical seminar.

The stabilator horn cracking issue and we were informed about the After taking in so much critical was discussed at length. Those who latest actions in the research to find information, it was a good thing that we hadn’t filled in the questionnaire yet the cause of this problem, and the had provisions for more than enough were urged to do so. A new horn and tireless efforts of our ICS fellows physical nourishment. We had lunch a cracked one were passed around assembling data. at the Jersey Aero Club, dinner and

The group getting informed at the technical seminar.

34 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 breakfast at the hotel, and there were no less than two gala dinners, including an excellent feast at The Boat House. Get Oiled ICS fly-ins are not just for pilots and Before You Start! aviation nuts, there was also an exten- sive social programme for those who did Install an Oilamatic not want to be in the hangar all day. Aircraft Engine Preoiler Thanks to David Pring who organised a perfect programme that started the morning off with wandering around the town of St Helier. Thanks to that, we had a lot to talk about during lunch at the Jersey Museum. After lunch David drove us by minibus to the Jersey war tunnels. Formally known as Hohlgangsanlage FUEL 8A, this complex is host to a series of galleries detailing occupation history BLADDERS and is a permanent reminder of the German occupation of Jersey which REDUCE ENGINE WEAR! BUY DIRECT FROM lasted almost five years until the island’s liberation on 09 May 1945. Up to 70% of engine wear THE MANUFACTURER Sunday morning the programme is caused by insufficient AND RECEIVE started with a guided tour around the lubrication during start. island with Pete, who showed us beau- DISCOUNTED tiful places like the fortresses and a Certified on Comanches water mill. This tour ended at the Jersey and Twin Comanches PRICES Zoo where we were welcomed by Lee Certified F.A.A. Repair Durrell. This zoo, founded by the famous Station AL4R054M Gerald Durrell, is not an ordinary zoo. Gerald Durrell was an animal conserva- http://www.oilamatic.com tionist. He dedicated his life to animals 800-842-9387 P.O. Box 5284 • Englewood, CO 80155 and endangered species. The Durrell (303) 770-0175, 1-800-343-7623, FAX (303) 793-0493 www.aerotechservicesinc.com Wildlife Conservation Trust has been saving species from extinction for 50 years. After lunch at the Dodo Restaurant, Flat Rate Annuals - Structural Repairs - Modifications we walked around and saw places like Expert Glass Replacement - Engine Overhauls the gorilla enclosure, the Orangutan and gibbon habitat, also the organic farm where a part of the food for the animals is grown. Thanks to our guide, we enjoyed a lovely, interesting and personal tour of the Jersey site. At the end of a perfect day, we were taken to The Boat House for dinner. Saying goodbye always is a sad moment, after having made so many new friends. On the morning of our departure, we had many of these moments. Don’t worry ICS friends, we will be back. Professional Complete Aircraft Restorations Our flight home, again on an IFR Our experienced Licensed Staff takes pride in assuring customer safety and flight plan due to en route weather at customer satisfaction, with special attention to detail. FL 090 and in IMC for a significant portion of the flight, was boringly uneventful and pleasantly safe. In service since 1983 Thank you to the organisers, David Pring and Ben Ayalon, and thank you to Bob Weber for contributing so much to CLIFTON AERO our Comanche knowledge and safety awareness in so little time. Thanks also to the CFF for helping make it possible. Clifton Airport P.O. Box 249 Clifton, TX 76634 Tim Talley ICS #09375 Our personal thanks also to Colin 30 minute flight SW of Dallas/Ft. Worth Stevenson who did N90VK’s aileron AD which was due and to David Buttle 254-675-3771 who helped us diagnose the problems www.cliftonaero.com • e-mail: [email protected] with our AP. OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 35 The Articles from past Flyers that are worth repeating. Best ofFlyer the TOP SECRET − Training Guides

by Glenn Plymate, ICS #02658

Airworthiness Directive? could be done for them, why not an of Documents, U.S. Government hen the inspiration for spe- Advisory Circular for transitioning to Printing Office. The original price was cial Comanche Flyer issues a Comanche? 35 cents, but inflation makes it now $3.00 in the new millennium. Ask for Wfirst surfaced in the Choir, Would it have the same force of law SN 050-007-00226-2. there was desperation for ideas on as an Airworthiness Directive? Probably how we could improve ourselves as not; but close. Many Advisory Circulars Just to see how much of a secret Comanche pilots. One thing was pretty contain guidelines and directives for this AC was, I went to my local FAA evident – we needed more and better certain programs and unless they’re FSDO office and asked about it. The training. The whole idea was based on adhered to, the programs cannot be inspector was quite embarrassed to safety and there was some pretty wild accomplished. admit he had never heard of it, and I brainstorming on what could be done. Advisory Circular? didn’t score any points for having All ideas were encouraged, and wel- stumped him. Then, I wrote the AOPA comed; there was no such thing as a So, the idea of an Advisory Circular Air Safety Foundation (ASF) to ask if bad idea. One member, Bill Creech, was sounding pretty good. A contact they might be familiar with the AC or asked how about an AD (FAA was made with the FAA at a top level knew of its existence. My question was Airworthiness Directive) for Comanche and the idea was posed. The need side-stepped; I never got an answer, pilots? Another member, Mike Dolin, seemed so obvious, that I also asked if but was told that all we ever needed to had written a tongue-in-cheek article it might already have been done. The know about Comanche training was about a pilot AD not long ago which proposal was well received and in the included in the ASF’s Comanche was the spark for the idea. Such an AD process we were given the name of the Safety Review published in 1997. office in Oklahoma City that would be would have the force of law behind it In pursuit of more information about responsible for carrying out the assign- mandating us to be better and safer training guidelines, I learned the ment. In our enthusiasm, we even pilots, and preserve the Comanche General Aviation Manufacturers offered to help draft the document. fleet at the same time. Right where we Association (GAMA) has a training But, three-and-a-half weeks later, I wanted to be. guide, also. Theirs is called “Transition received a message that the AC had The idea was not dismissed out of Training Master Syllabus” and sells for already been written. It was published hand; it was seriously explored. But, $12.00. The information about its avail- as AC61-9B way back in 1974. the conclusion was that ADs only apply ability, ironically, came from another Apparently, it was not well publicized to aircraft and airplane hardware, and FAA Advisory Circular, AC61-103. and its existence was more than are not applicable to pilots and aircrew. obscure. Had it been TOP SECRET, All the above training guides seem But, wait! There is a format used by the languishing in some warehouse of old hard to find … almost as if they’re clas- FAA that might be relevant for pilots. files somewhere? Even those who sified TOP SECRET and not many people It’s the Advisory Circular (AC) system should, didn’t seem to know about it. are cleared to see them. The Choir … and ACs have been written in the members were challenged to see if Secret Publications? past that are for pilots … among the they could get information on AC61-9B myriad of other subjects they cover. The title of AC61-9B is “Pilot Transition from their local FSDOs, but there were One I was familiar with was written as Courses for Complex Single-Engine no reports of any success. A shame, a guideline for testing ultralight and and Light Twin-Engine Airplanes”. It too, since the AC is well written; it’s homebuilt experimental aircraft. If it is available from the Superintendent in an attractive format and it fits the

36 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 Reprinted from the July 2000 Comanche Flyer

transition training needs for moving Use of Radio, Autopilot, and Special graduation certificate certifying, “that into a Comanche like a glove. The AOPA Equipment M.W. Williams has graduated from a ASF Safety Review also covers the sub- transition course which meets the • Radio ject quite well. Both documents score standards prescribed in the Federal higher than GAMA’s, which is not much • Autopilot Aviation Administration Advisory more than 48 pages of large type, lots of • Special Equipment (flight director, Circular 61-9B, qualifying him as pilot blank space, and repetitive outlines oxygen, feathering, etc.) on PA-24-260.” How much more appli- of training syllabuses and generalized cable can it get? objectives in a hard-to-comprehend Emergencies The booklet is only ten pages, excel- specification-like style. • Emergency Operation of Aircraft lently and efficiently written. It is an Systems (gear, flaps, fuel, electrical, etc.) FAA’s Pilot Transition Courses effective use of words. No waste. It is com- • Forced Landings (Single-Engine prehensive and presents an excellent AC61-9B is a small, attractive 6 x Airplanes Only) guideline for moving up or refreshing 9-inch booklet with a blue cover. It is your pilot skills in a Comanche. well written, and contains three main • Engine-Out Emergencies divisions. Under Training for (Multiengine Airplanes) ASF’s Comanche Training Outline Checkouts, guidelines are presented 1. Propeller feathering or engine The AOPA Air Safety Foundation’s with a syllabus for both complex single- shutdown Safety Review of the Piper Comanche engine and twin-engine airplanes in 2. Engine-out minimum control sets the stage for the need for training chart form, using only one page for speed (Vmc) demonstration by a comprehensive discussion and each. It’s as if the AC were written for statistical evidence of Comanche trou- our Comanches; “complex” airplanes 3. Engine-out best rate-of-climb ble spots in both the airplane and the with flaps, controllable propellers, and demonstration pilots. It is a book that should be in retractable landing gear. The second 4. Effects of configuration on engine- every Comanche owner’s library. The main division covers Checkout out performance book includes a training outline for Procedures and Standards. It is well transition and recurrent training with organized with several headings and 5. Maneuvering with an engine-out emphasis given to those areas with a subheadings as follows: 6. Approach and landing with an high risk factor. This includes fuel man- engine-out Preflight Examination agement, overshoots, IMC and night a. Operating procedures and limitations • Emergency Descents (Pressurized flight, and our old favorite, the landing Airplanes Only) (i.e., not for gear system. The training course outline b. Knowledge of speeds, power settings, Comanche pilots) is divided into four blocks of instruction: endurance, and performance factors The booklet finishes off with Ground Orientation; General Flight c. Normal and emergency operation of Flight Instructors’ Endorsements Operations; IFR Operations; and Cross aircraft systems and special equipment and Recommendations, showing Country IFR/VFR Operations. d. Computation of various loading com- Logbook Endorsements, Multiengine Average time to complete the train- binations using diagrams or graphs Rating Recommendation, and a ing is eight hours of ground instruction, Graduation Certificate, each with plus five-and-a-half hours of flight e. Thorough line check using a checklist figures as examples. instruction for the single Comanche, or Flight Maneuvers and Procedures Is this Advisory Circular applicable six-and-a-half hours for the Twin • Coordination and Planning Maneuvers to our Comanches? You bet! The figure Comanche. The outline is comprehen- sive and well presented and includes • Ground Pattern Maneuvers for the Flight Instructor’s Certification even shows: test questions and answers. There is • Flight at Minimum Controllable and also a section devoted to flying light Landing Approach Airspeeds “CHECKOUT IN PIPER COMANCHE twin-engine airplanes that discusses MODEL PA-24-260 IN ACCORDANCE Vmc and single-engine performance in • Stalls from All Normally Anticipated WITH FAA ADVISORY CIRCULAR Flight Attitudes very easy to understand detail. This 61-9B SATISFACTORY, 3/14/74 /s/ book is available from the International • Maximum Performance Operations DAVID LIVINGSTON, CFI 386423” Comanche Society for a paltry $9.95, • Control by Reference to Flight The AC clinches Comanche applica- plus shipping and handling. Instruments bility by displaying an example of a (continued on next page)

OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 3 7 Training Guide Bargain So, for a little over thirteen bucks – three for the Advisory Circular and COMANCHE PARTS ten-plus for the Safety Review – you can have some of the finest training guides obtainable for Comanche flying. • SHOULDER HARNESS KITS Don’t wait. Put in your order now. Get yours today. FAA STC/PMA Inertia Reel and Strap Models Share in this TOP SECRET … even if it’s only a myth. Complete Kit with Installation Instructions Addendum, August 2009: This PA-24, -30, -39 article originally appeared in the July 2000 issue of the Comanche Flyer • ENGINE MOUNTS magazine, and some of the informa- Repair yours or Buy from Stock tion needs updating. Repaired – Yellow Tagged AC 91-9B is still valid, but is now available online in a .pdf format. White Tag for Exports Search Google® for “faa ac 61-9b” to get a link to the .pdf file. It has all the • NOSE GEAR HOUSINGS text of the original AC but does not Repaired Cracked or include the figures. So, it may be pref- erable to obtain the original 10-page Worn Nose Gear Housings booklet which contains the exhibits. FAA Approved (P/N 21715) The AOPA Air Safety Foundation’s “Safety Review of the Piper Comanche” is no longer in print. Although in 2008, – FREE CATALOG – ASF reproduced a limited supply of the Safety Review in a CD format. They 800-4KOSOLA (456-7652) were given free to anyone who made a CELEBRATING OVER 34 YEARS OF SERVICE tax-deductible gift of $100 or more to ASF and named the Erral Lea Plymate Memorial Endowment. The gifts were double-matched to make them worth FAA APPROVED REPAIR STATION HE4R229M three times as much for the Air Safety Foundation. There are still a few CDs KOSOLA AND left, and copies could be made for any- one wanting to take advantage of the ASSOCIATES, INC. same offer. Call ASF at (800) 955-9115 5601 Newton Road for details. Or, email the author at Albany, GA 31701 USA [email protected]. 229-435-4119 FAX 229-888-5766 [email protected] • www.kosola.com Editor’s Note: This column is cur- rently featuring articles from the July 2000 issue of Comanche Flyer which focused strictly on training.

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OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 39 Fly-In Report Weather Plays Havoc on Fly-In to Grissom Air Field by Kevin Davis, ICS #16625

he weather decided not to We started things out with a meet and Zach Grant, ICS North Central Member cooperate with us on July greet, and then moved on to the Grissom from Indianapolis, gave a very informative 11, at Grissom Air Field, in Air Museum where we viewed aircraft seminar on landing gear maintenance Central Indiana. Our hopes from the World War II era to the present. and followed up with a tail discussion. were high, and nine aircraft I would definitely recommend visiting Tmade it in early that morning before this museum as it had some beautiful The group disbanded around 5:00 p.m. the showers and 700-foot overcast and unique aircraft on display. Our Despite the weather conditions and low prevailed. An ICS member from the lunch was done cook-out style in the turnout, the time spent with other Mid-States Tribe managed to squeak in FBO hangar and enjoyed by everyone. members was very enjoyable. the night before the weather turned worse. We knew of as many as eight other aircraft that attempted the trip. One or two Comanches got as close as 20 miles from destination, but had to turn back. A couple members drove in from Indianapolis. The fun proceeded, after we waited patiently for conditions to change, and then decided that they wouldn’t. Our fly-in was hosted by Montgomery Avia- tion, located on Grissom Air Field, which was recently opened to the public in early 2008. The base is named for astronaut and Indiana native Virgil “Gus” Grissom. The host wing at Grissom is the 434th Air Refueling Wing operating the KC-135R air refueling air- craft. The single runway is 12,500-feet long and 200 feet wide!

40 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 41 From the EVENT CALENDAR SUMMARY Tribe Chiefs Date Tribe Event/Location Info Source/Host Oct 13-18 ICS 2009 Convention/Dayton, Ohio See page 24 for more details. Oct 16 SE Annual Business Sally Williams, SE Tribe Chief, e-mail: SOUTH CENTRAL TRIBE Meeting/Dayton, Ohio [email protected] Dec 30-Jan 1 SE Annual New Year’s Eve Sally Williams, SE Tribe Chief, Saturday Lunch Fly-Ins Fly-In/Palm Beach Gardens, Fla. e-mail: [email protected], cell phone: (561) 676-3884 If it is difficult for you to make a full weekend fly-in, you may find the Saturday lunch gatherings with Comanche camaraderie, sharing of fly- For additional information or ICS Annual New Year’s ing stories, maintenance talk and lunch, Southeast Tribe business items for the Eve Fly-In to your liking. You should be able to find agenda, please contact: a schedule of the lunch fly-ins on the Palm Beach Gardens, Fla. Sally Williams, ICS #15620 South Central Tribe website at http:// Dec. 30 – Jan. 1, 2010 ICS Southeast Tribe Chief groups.msn.com/SouthCentralTribeICS/ The Southeast Tribe is in the planning 103 Lost Bridge Drive welcome.msnw and in the South stages of its annual New Year’s Eve Fly-in Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410-4469 Central Tribe newsletter Smoke Trails. to be held at Palm Beach Gardens, (If you wish to organize a lunch Email: [email protected] Fla. Mark your calendars now for this Fly-In, please contact Pat Andrews at This is a very important tribe busi- ever-popular ICS event. Details will be [email protected].). ness meeting and will be held at the available in the next Flyer. ICS Annual Convention headquarters For more information, contact Sally Tribe E-mail Updates with the room location to be announced Williams, SE Tribe Chief, by email: If you are not receiving the South at the hotel prior to the meeting. We [email protected], or cell phone: Central Tribe’s Smoke Trails Newsletter look forward to seeing you in Dayton. (561) 676-3884. and would like to, please e-mail Dianna Cody, South Central Tribe Scribe, at [email protected] and she will make sure to amend the list to include your e-mail address. Tip Tank Kits Extended Range, Gross Weight SOUTHEAST TRIBE Increase, more useful load, Lower Annual Business Meeting Engine & Airframe Maintenance Dayton, Ohio • Fifteen (15) U.S. gallons each, October 16 aluminum tip tanks. This is to advise that the ICS Southeast Tribe will hold their Annual • LED navigation lights now available. Business Meeting on Friday evening, October 16, 2009 at the Dayton • Osborne Tip Tank Kits are original Marriott Hotel, 1414 South Patterson Piper factory equipment. Boulevard. There will be an election of officers and we will conduct any tribe Aerodynamic Effi cient • Increased Stability business that members wish to be Gross Weight Increase • Aluminum Constructed brought forward. System Choices • Product Quality Customer Approval • Product Support The ICS Southeast Tribe Nominating Committee Chair for 2009-2010 is: FAA approved installation kits in stock. Charles Liller, ICS #5099 8401 Jefferson Street Distributors for JP Instruments, Riverview, FL 33569-5161 Whelen Lighting, and Shadin

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OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 43 Fly-In Report Southwest Tribe Returns to the Old West for Annual Business Meeting/Fly-In by Peggy Harmon, ICS #15079

he Southwest Tribe held its Square, together with the western charm www.artschollaviation.com and click annual business meeting/ of “Whiskey Row”, lent to after-dinner on “Art Scholl”.) He was quite a man! fly-in at Prescott, Arizona, strolls and/or drinks. Immediately following the film, Shell August 14-16. The “old Early Saturday morning found us Bresin, of the Southwest Tribe, gave his town” ambience must be seated in a meeting room at the hotel “Pinch Hitter” seminar for the co-pilots. appealingT to Comanche pilots, as they awaiting a film presentation created Shell has given this seminar at prior fly- returned to this Old West scenery for the by the late renowned American ins, and it is always well-received. fourth time. We had about 40 attendees aerobatic pilot, Art Scholl. We were Saturday evening found us at the and at least ten beautiful Comanches honored to have his lovely wife, Gurley Street Grill in the downtown (not counting the four tucked away Judy, give a short introduction to the area. This restaurant has a history, as in their home base hangars). Our host film. We then watched as Art and do most of the buildings in downtown hotel was the Marriott’s SpringHill his friends barnstormed across Prescott. Originally, it was a wooden- Suites close to the historic downtown. the beautiful Canadian landscape framed saloon, but was burned down in We had used this hotel on a couple of in a modified de Havilland Super the city’s infamous fire of 1900. By prior fly-ins, and this year’s treatment Chipmunk and a 650 hp Stearman. He 1901, it had been reconstructed out of was once again a pleasant experience. included scenes of wing-walking, and brick, some of which was reclaimed We adhered to the usual Friday after- many other exciting maneuvers. At from the fire. You can still see some of noon arrival and dinner with friends at the end of the show, Judy answered these bricks. Our dinner was held in local restaurants, of which there were questions from our members. (To the upstairs portion of the building, and many to choose from. The Court House learn more about this legacy, go to I’ll bet very few of the attendees knew

44 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 Southwest Tribe Returns to the Old West for Annual Business Meeting/Fly-In

Judy Scholl, introducing a fi lm about her late husband – the renowned The evening was concluded with the aerobatic pilot, Art Scholl. gift/cash raffl e drawing, but that doesn’t mean we stopped visiting … Gurley Street almost had to escort us out. that they were dining in a room once Kristin Winter: Tribe Chief As usual, Sunday meant some pilots/ used by “ladies of the evening”! Charles Parker: Assistant Tribe Chief co-pilots left at the “break of dawn”, while others lingered in old town Immediately following the dinner, Peggy Harmon: Tribe Scribe we held our annual business meeting. Prescott. Those Comanche airplanes Shari Caton: Treasurer Craig Varga, Chairman of the Nominat- did look wonderful on the ramp, and ing Committee, presented the slate of Scott Myers: Trip Chairman one never tires of watching them take offi cers for the 2009-2010 term, and David Goodin: Communications Offi cer off – what beautiful fl ying machines! the attendees approved the following By unanimous consent, Mike Foster A lot of thanks to trip chairman slate to take office following the was again chosen to serve as our Tribe Sandy Moore for putting this fly-in Dayton Convention: Representative. together.

Comanches are lined up and ready for those heading out.

OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 45 URGENTLY WANTED: Panel mount GPS (no hand 1965 PA24-260, 5250 TT, 638 SMOH, Narco helds), TXT only OK, monochrome OK, old OK, dusty 810, KX155, Auto Pilot II, Loran, PM2000 intercom, Classifieds OK, FREE even better. Contact: Matt (864) 561- excellent paint & interior. Asking $72,500, 5769 (cell), [email protected]. 2/2 obo. Email: [email protected] or call (559) • (Two issue minimum) 784-8956. 1/2 • 25 Words: $50.00/2 issues • 25 Words w/Photo: $70.00/2 issues Comanches For Sale FOR SALE: 1964 PA24-260, serial #24-4037, • Extra Words: $0.40/word N8580P, TAET since total wings off restoration • Payment must accompany 50NR. Over $90,000 in parts & radios, two years advertisement order. PA24-180 labor. $115,000. [email protected]. 2/2 All advertising must be received by the ICS in 1958 PA24-180, (serial# PA24-145). N5132P. writing (mail, fax, or e-mail) five weeks prior to the desired month of publication. Payment Featured in Comanche Flyer of August 2008. TTAF 4773. No Damage. TTE 4640;1138 since FWF by must accompany adver tisement order. 1965 NIICV PA24-260, 3646TT, SMOH new limits Mattituck. PROP 474 on McCauley 3-Blade. Annual Renewals may be made by telephone, 546, 240 on new 3-blade McCauley, HSI, auto 3/l/09. New Center Stack Panel 2006 with GNS but initial ad must be in writing. pilot, encoding alt, King 155, DME, ADF, NDH, 430, GPS 396 with satellite weather; GMA 340 A/P always hangared, Lansing Illinois, IGO. Call Bob The publisher makes no warranties as to the with 4-place intercom, music, GTX Mode S (773) 233-4827 or Jim (219) 836-8071. 2/2 veracity or accuracy of the information provided Transponder with TIS. KX l70 G/S. King DME. S-Tec by the advertiser. The publisher is under no obligation to accept any or all advertisements. AP. 1 Piece Windshield, 1/4” windows in 2006, New paint by Oxford 2006, original colors. Original PA30 International Comanche Society red leatherette Int. Wingtip strobes. Chrome Trading Post & Classified Spinner. All AD’s. Complete Logs. $69,000. More 1963 PA-30, TT 4200, RT 160 SMOH, LT 350 Advertising Contact: Photos and lnfo: Jim Johnston, jjohnston.ma@ SNEW (Rebuilt) By Lycoming. Over $150,000. comcast.net. (845) 264-4583. 1/2 spent in complete refurbishing, including new R & Nancy A. Whitten J panel, S-Tec 50, Garmin 430 With Terrain, King 2779 Aero Park Drive HSI, WX-10A, LFR, Shadin fuel computer, new fuel Traverse City, MI 49686 pumps and many other Speed Mods and Phone: (800) 773-7798 accessories. E-Mail for pictures and equipment Fax: (231) 946-9588 list. Asking $95,000 or best offer. Email at E-mail: [email protected] [email protected] or (941) 360-9282/ (613) 821-9430. 2/2 Aircraft Wanted

COMANCHE’S WANTED: All models, runouts OK, needing P&I/Radio upgrades OK, fast PA24-250 discriminate transaction on your ramp 20 years experience/references. Call Jim, (760) 930-9300. PA24-250, 1963 N8241P, sn 3495, 3-blade [email protected] 2/2 McCauley, fresh annual, MANY speed mods. KX155, Mk 16, 2GS receivers, good paint & The Official Membership upholstery, 90 gallons, Metco tips, hangared, shop Publication of & parts manuals. $55k. Wayne (408) 266-2377/ Trading Post (208) 665-7196. 1/2 The International Comanche Society Trading Post is a non-commercial, member to 1961 Comanche 250. 5600 TTAF. 370SCMOH w/new member service provided free of charge, one Lyc cylinders. 370 McCauley 3-blade. Apr 09 annual. time per member, per year. The sale of aircraft All ADs. Always hangared. Too many upgrades/extras is not permitted in the Trading Post. to list. A true buy and fly airplane. No surprises. • Ads must be submitted in writing only Turbine smooth. Call for info (951) 203-7333. 1/2 (fax or E-mail OK). • Free ads may not be placed by phone. 1962 PA24-250, N7P00P, exceptional airworthy • First 25 words are free. status with too many features to list. Call (361) 937-2901 or e-mail [email protected] for photo and Call Today for • Extra words are $0.40 per word. specs. Asking $68,250.00. 1/2 Fax: (231) 946-9588 Advertising E-mail: [email protected] PA24-260 Opportunities

Prop governor pn A21085, LoPresti speed kit, 1967 PA24-260B, N9146P. TTAE 2256. 1213.0 Hrs Genevieve (Gen) Lyon, Aerox Oxy. System, Wing Leveler, Jeppesen Pro since TOP. Annual 1-13-09. NDH. Paint & 1-piece Advertising Manager W/S 1998. Speed spats 1992. AP Auto Control 11, Star, David Clark H10-30 Headset. Call (248) 420- E-mail: [email protected] 0552. Lloyd Obert, ICS# 6552. 2/2 Northstar GPS, KY-197, KNS-80, KY A/P, KR-87 ADF, Narco 12D, King XPDR. Two noise canceling headsets. FOR SALE: PA24 – Cleveland Wheel & Brakes/ OAT, RB. Always hangared in dry West Texas. AD’s Phone: (231) 946-3712 Excellent Condition, 1 ea: Wheel P/N3070 (451765) complied with. Fuel flow & CH temp, intercom. 9 to or 1-800-773-7798 @ $65.00. 2 ea: Brakes P/N3000-250 (451716) @ 9.5 in and out. $78,000.00. Call Bob Noble at (806) FAX: (231) 946-9588 $45.00 ea. Contact C. Wright (817) 277-1596. 2/2 637-2370 (home) or (806) 893-3820 (cell). 2/2

46 • Comanche Flyer OCTOBER 2009 PLACING AN AD? Advertising Index Use this list as a guideline for the information you may want to provide and the order in which to do so. Ada Aircraft Painting ...... 30 Aero Tech Services ...... 35 • YEAR, Model Year of Aircraft Aerotech Publications ...... 7 • MODEL, PA 24-180, 250, 260, 400 Aerox ...... 7 • SERIAL NUMBER, Serial Number of Aircraft Air Parts of Lock Haven ...... 22 • N-NUMBER, Registration Number of Aircraft Aircraft Specialties Services...... 3,27 • TOTAL AIRFRAME TIME, Total Hours On Airframe • AIRFRAME DAMAGE HISTORY, Any Damage History e.g. Gear Up Landing Aircraft Spruce and Specialty .... 20,C3 • TOTAL ENGINE TIME, Total Hours On Engine Since Factory New or Remanufactured Alpha Aviation ...... 19 • ENGINE TIME SINCE TOP OR MAJOR OVERHAUL Avemco ...... 29 • PROPELLER TIME, Total Time On Prop Since New or Overhaul Aviation Performance Products ....9,23 • ANNUAL INSPECTION DATE • FLIGHT INSTRUMENTS, Standard Gyro Panel, Electronic Flight Instrument System B & C Specialty Products Inc...... 15 • RADIO / NAVIGATION EQUIPMENT LISTING, Communications & Navigation Equipment Listing Bill Eisele ...... C2 e.g. GPS, ILS, VORs Bogert Aviation ...... 19 • WEATHER ADVOIDANCE EQUIPMENT, Stormscope, Radar, Bruce’s Custom Covers ...... 23 • SPECIAL EQUIPMENT LISTING, Engine Monitor (EGT, CHT, Fuel Flow, etc.) • AUTOPILOT, Type & Make of Autopilot Clifton Aero ...... 35 • INTERCOM Comanche 400 Propeller...... 23 • INTERIOR CONDITION & NUMBER OF SEATS Comanche Flyer Foundation ...... 11 • EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, Gap Seals, Wing Tips, Speed Mods, Windshield Comanche Gear ...... 23 • PAINT CONDITION • HANGERED OR TIED DOWN DAC International, Inc...... 7 • AD NOTE COMPLIANCE Degroff Aviation Technologies ...... C3 • GENERAL COMMENTS Eagle Fuel Cells ...... C2 • ASKING PRICE Electronics International ...... C2 • CONTACT PHONE NUMBER • CONTACT E-MAIL General Aviation Modifications ...... 7 Great Lakes Aero Products ...... 15 Hartwig Fuel Cell Repair ...... C3 Abbreviation Key: Hartzell Propeller, Inc...... 17 J.L. Osborne, Inc...... 42 A/C Air Conditioning ILS Instrument Landing System AD’s Airworthiness Directives LE Left Engine Johnston Aircraft Services ...... C4 ADF Automatic Direction Finder LOC Localizer (Runway Centerline Guidance) Knots 2U, Ltd...... 41 AH Artificial Horizon LORAN Long Range Navigation System A&P Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic M/B Marker Beacon Kosola & Associates ...... 38 AI Aircraft Inspector MDH Major Damage History Met-Co-Aire ...... C3 A/P Audio Panel NDH No Damage History AP Autopilot NM Nautical Miles Mike’s Upholstery ...... 17 CDI Course Deviation Indicator NAV Navigation Radio Receiver Oilamatic, Inc...... 35 CHT Cylinder Head Temperature OAT Outside Air Temperature Paul Bowen ...... 17 COM Communication OH Overhaul C/R Counter Rotating PET Piper Electric Trim Plane Power ...... 48 C/T Carburetor Temperature RB Rotating Beacon Poplar Grove Airmotive ...... 9 DF Direction Finder R/C Rate of Climb DG Directional Gyro RE Right Engine Precision Propeller ...... 9 DME Distance Measuring Equipment RG Retractable Landing Gear Questair ...... 17 EFIS Electronic Flight Instrument System RNAV Area Navigation EGT Exhaust Gas Temperature SB’s Service Bulletins Rocky Mountain Propellers, Inc...... 15 ELT Emergency Locator Transmitter SCMOH Since Chrome Major Overhaul Ron & John’s Comanche Service .....13 E/P External Power Plug SFN Since Factory New Schweiss Bi-Fold Doors ...... 3 F/D Flight Director SFRM Since Factory Remanufacture FGP Full Gyro Panel SMOH Since Major Overhaul Sky Tec Partners Ltd ...... 48 FWF Firewall Forward SOH Since Overhaul Sound Ex Products ...... 43 GPS Global Positioning System S/N Serial Number G/S Glide Slope SPOH Since Propeller Overhaul Tsuniah Lake Lodge ...... 38 GSP Ground Service Plug STOH Since Top Overhaul Village Press ...... 43,46 H/P Heated Pitot TBO Time Between Overhauls HP Horsepower TT Total Time Webco ...... 43 HSI Horizontal Situation Indicator TTAE Total Time Airframe and Engine William Creech ...... 39 IFR Instrument Flight Rules TTSN Total Time Since New Zephyr Aircraft Engines ...... 39 IMC Instrument Meteorological Conditions XPDR Transponder

OCTOBER 2009 Comanche Flyer • 4 7 Last Laugh ou Might be an Aircraft Mechanic if … • You’ve ever slept on the con- crete under a wing. • You’ve ever said, “Oh yes sir, it’s supposed to look like that.” • You know what JP4 or 145 octane tastes like. • You’ve ever used a piece of safety wire as a toothpick. • You’ve ever stood on wheel chocks to keep your feet dry. • You’ve ever used dikes to trim your fingernails. • You wondered where they keep finding the idiots that keep making up stupid rules. • You’ve ever had to defuel an aircraft an hour after refueling it. • You’ve used a wheel chock as a hammer. • You have scuba dived a lav tank to remove everything under the sun. • You have seen the “northern lights” inside the cabin while being shocked by a ballast (200v). • You have told someone that you are an aircraft mechanic only to have them say, “But not on the engines ... right?”

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