KNEWSLETTTER IN A KNUTSHELL

4 Advertising that Endures 4 A letter to the Editor 4 Sgian Dubh 4 Clone Knives 4 Souvenir 4 Knives of the War 4 No meetings for awhile

Our international membership is happily involved with “Anything that goes ‘cut’!” January 2021 in 1737 mentioning Hey Kiltie! it in his “letters from What’s That in Your Sock? a Gentleman in the Tom McVey North of Scotland” that they often had an Well, the short answer is: a knife. It is called a sgian dubh, simply “Oxter” knife, oxter translated from the Gaelic – black knife. It is pronounced “skeen being Lowland Scots Gordon Highlander’s knife (1870) doo.” Why it is in my sock is a little less simply explained. In for armpit. It was the Medieval Scottish Highlands everyone carried a small utility also known as a sgian knife – a sgian. However, the men usually carried their sgian achlais or armpit knife. somewhere hidden on their person: this could be in a jacket The few of these that I sleeve, or more likely, tucked into one of folds of his great kilt. have seen in person This is said to be one origin of the “black” part of the name. or photo are much too Some say it’s called black from the ebony or bog oak handle – large to be what would but not all have black handles, some are bone, horn or antler. I Daywear horn sgain now be a sgian dubh. believe the “black” is from the idea that the knife is hidden. A Another point is that similar Scottish word using black is “blackmail.” Yes, we seem the sgain achlais was to have originated it, the word at least. Mail was an early term worn in a jacket sleeve, for rent, so black rent is payment out of the norm. Picture Rob but most Highlanders Roy standing there talking to a gentleman: “What a nice herd of were too poor to own a cattle, Angus. It would be a shame if …” Well, you know the rest Silver dress sgian jacket and had to make of the spiel. It was how he made a living at one point. do with their “great kilt” over a linen shirt. That being said, Hospitality was very important in the Highland culture, and every Highlander owned and carried a knife, a sgian, of some part of the act of accepting hospitality was displaying all of fashion, somewhere upon his or her body. your weapons as a show of good faith. The Highlander would Scottish history has been filled with weapons that go cut – usually take the sgian dubh out of hiding and place it in a and in these troubled times it is even getting hard to find a hose top, a boot, or buskin top. His larger weapon, a dirk, was sharpened sgian or dirk in Scotland. Today sgian dubhs are already on his belt and in sight. In the Highland regiments of basically of two types – day wear and evening wear. Since the the British Army it is normal to wear the sgian dubh in hose top sgian is now a part of the “Traditional Kilt Outfit,” there are to this day. Most gents going out in kilt today will have a sgian certain normal styles and uses. The day wear sgian is usually of in their hose or boot top, although you won’t see them wearing a plainer wood or horn with little or no decoration. The evening a dirk as often. wear sgian is usually of a carved, dark wood (bog oak, ebony, Sgian dubh’s are seen in many variations. but the museums etc) and with a fancier sheath perhaps, even set with precious don’t show too many examples. Most that I have seen were metals and/or stones. The military sgian dubhs tend to fall into military connected and often presentation pieces given to an the latter category. exalted officer or NCO. You don’t see old sgians, at least ones Further information is available from the following sources: older than the 19th Century. But when you think about it, the sgian dubh was a basic , not something you would The Scottish Armoury, by Dr. David H. Caldwell expect to end up in a museum. The later, fancy ones okay. The Scottish Arms and Armour, by Fergus Cannan plain older ones not so much. The Scottish Dirk, by James D. Forman The sgian dubh is not particularly well documented, but they Scottish Swords and Dirks, by John Wallace do start showing in portraits in the early 1800s. But hey, it was a “hidden” knife! Written proof is a little older with a Capt. Burt Table-holders who maintain their membership your coordination OKCA Knews will keep their 2019 table locations for the 2022 of this project. & Musings Show; however those whose membership Articles r-Us lapse could be moved to a different location ibdennis in the 2022 Show. We get constant comments about Facebook: We maintain the Facebook site We are very much overwhelmed with the how much for the OKCA and allow only members to response of our membership to support our people enjoy the sell and promote themselves on these pages. organization. Members have shown faith in Knewslettter. Membership has its benefits. The same goes the OKCA and its goals, and the outpouring Many of these for the Knewslettter ads which I know are of renewed membership proves this. Thank positive comments come from the spouse of quite effective. you so very much. It is very much needed in the collector or maker. Our writers are the these times. We have tried to convey that our members who have skills and or knowledge financial status is not at risk, but the number of the world of cut. There is not another of donations received has been somewhat publication that caters to this niche of writing. staggering. Once again, this donation goes to Short, sweet and educational. Very readable. the OKCA and not any member of the Board. We wish to thank the following for their In another part of contribution of words this month. Charlie this Knewslettter, Atkins, Martin Drivdahl, Gil Hartl, Tom we have alluded to McVey, Jim Pitblado and Clay Stephens. the importance of Our best guess projection is that if we can maintaining a strong weather this storm, we will be back for an membership during April 2022 OKCA Annual Show. 2021. Without the Show, we are trying to enlist your interest to Monthly Meetings The tradition of Club Knives will continue support our organization. The Knewslettter is Aside from the ban on group gatherings, our for 2021 and again will be supported by Great our strong voice to the continuance of support. meeting place of several years has closed Eastern. This will be a member only offering. Members writing words keeps the glue their doors. Finding an alternate site once The pattern this year will be a whittler pattern flowing. In fact we normally discontinue the things loosen up will prove to be interesting. with a warncliff main blade. Details are not Knewslettter during June, July and August; So for now - no monthly meetings. Besides available at this time but will be available in but this year we will attempt to keep it going that, there is a call for no gathering of any our February edition. Numerous members during those summer months. It all depends size which has been down to ten at one point have told us they will commit to purchase on the contributions of articles supplied by or another. Open air meetings in Oregon? I this knife even before we knew what pattern you, the members. don’t think so. it would be. Thank you Roy Humenick for

I saw a request for articles pain and the work of a good blade. I just collecting. I am not particular about for the Knewslettter. don’t know how to make a good blade. type, make or maker of a blade. I just I do some writing for I would like to though (too late to start kind of have to hold it and sense the my military news letter now. Ha!). “feel” of it. It’s a tool, so it has to work called the Hector Herald. I was the past I have friends that make them. One, Don for me, just like the gun I carried or the Editor for this and understand how hard Pavack of Wyoming, uses the material take shovel I dig with. it is to get members to contribute at times. away method and another, Jim Pennock I have not been to a show yet, as the first My name is Charlie Atkins. I am only a of Westfir, Oregon, forges blades. I have one I was scheduled to attend, got closed few years old to the club, but have a long collected from both. But I have a tool I down. It is my hope that when all these lifetime of experience with things that am partial to and use as my EDC, since I current problems we face have died cut. I have a background as a country discovered it in the military. It is the Buck down, I will be able to attend. boy helping around the ranch and using 110 folder. I have others, but this particular I really like reading the Knewslettter and sharps as a tool. I worked in the fruit as a knife is my go-to. I was stationed on a am glad to hear the club has had the vision teen and the knife was the tool. ship when I first bought one in the 1970’s. to prepare for “hard times”. That’s why I I am retired law enforcement and have I worked that knife hard in a salt water have re-upped for another year and will carried a sharp tool most all my career. I environment. It held up for my enlistment continue to do so. I enjoy being around am now almost 70 years old and still use and beyond. I have had many since and like thinkers and doers. a sharp tool almost every day. carried that 110 Buck on my duty belt, as a Deputy Sheriff, for years. I hope everyone of the members I only recently, in my adult life, became has a safe and healthy 2021. I am a interested in collecting knives. As a boy I like to go to junk stores and antique kindred spirit. shops and look for old knives. I do not and adult, I have received and given the Charlie Atkins blade in various situations. I know the always buy as I have a tight budget for

Simply Show the Knife continued from page 1 Remember, number of articles received to be The Seek-Re-Tary you must be a published in the Knewslettter. Report current member In this issue you will find elayne of the OKCA articles by Charlie Atkins, to advertise on Martin Drivdahl, Gil Hartl, Happy New Year. I have high hopes that our website, Tom McVey, Jim Pitblado 2021 will be better than 2020. our Facebook and Clay Stephens. You too page or in our can send items for publication. Another month has passed and the Knewslettter. The articles do not need to be Knewslettter is to be issued. All the 2021 Thank you to Lisa Wages who monitors technical or long. Your interests membership cards were mailed Saturday, our Facebook page. If she had not are the interests of the others who read January 3. The mail delivery is not as it stepped up, we would not have been our publication. If you do not type or should be so delays are to be expected; able to continue to support a Facebook email, snail mail and handwritten is ok. however if your cards are not received by presence. If you have an advertisement receipt of this Knewslettter, you should An especial thank you to Tim Cooper in our Knewslettter, please advise when contact me. Remember the expiration and Ana Cooper who laminated all the item has been sold. We do not want date appears on the address label. It is the of the 2021 membership cards. It is a you to be overwhelmed with calls for number on the right side above the name daunting task and takes a good deal of items that are no longer available. (2020/expired, 2021/current). This date time. is current as of the mail received 1/9/21. Thank you to all of our members We have included a photograph of the This Knewslettter is the warning to who have emailed and snail mailed 2021 OKCA Great Eastern Club Knife. renew your membership. There is a encouragement and good wishes to the We do not have a price and will advise membership application on our website Board for a job well done. We have via OKCA website, Facebook and the and included in the Knewslettter. We also received a number of donations Knewslettter once that is known. Thank do not need the form filled out if there from our members. Our organization you Roy Humenick for your help in is no change in mailing address, phone is financially sound, but the donations this fundraising project. Hopefully we number or email address; but we do need are very much appreciated as an will be as successful with this choice some paper to accompany the payment. acknowledgment from our members as the others have been. Please advise if you change your mailing of support for the organization. Please Stay safe and keep a distance from address, phone number or email address. be aware your continued membership others (especially those we have We have received some payments from in the OKCA is very important to the designated as partners). It reduces the banks/credit unions that do not reflect the organization. Please support us with arguments and frustration. name of the member. Bit of a challenge your membership. to post correctly. We are also very appreciative of the

Due to the quarantines in place, we have not had our monthly meetings but do attempt to keep in communication with the other Board members. We thought you, the members, would be interested in this most recent email we sent to the other officers. Just to keep the Board updated: The renewing of memberships at this time is fairly impressive. When a table-holder updates their membership to 2021, we note their name on the floor plan to recognize their support of our organization. Failure to support our organization by membership will free up that table for the 2022 Show. This does not mean they will be denied a table but does mean that the location they had may not be honored. The OKCA is financially stable due to years of planning for a force majeure event. And it happened. We tried to make it clear that financially we were okay, but the donations keep pouring in. One person on a fixed income donated $5.00, and there are numerous $20.00 donations. The surprise to us was several $100.00 donations, a $500.00 donation and one grand slam of $1, 000.00 with a check for $500.00 for that person’s membership. It is unbelievable to note the support of the organization. The mail we are getting is highly supportive of the work we have done, and the good faith that the Show will go on.

Elayne Ibdennis

January 2021 what was available in print for marketing. Company of America. I’m sure readers Advertising That The first full page is the title page, with a can expand on the names. First the Powell Endures Purina knife shown. The second page is a River Company LTD, Pictures 4 and 5. It Jim Piblado full page “idea” page with ten examples of is a non catalogue knife with the name product and suggestions. The third page is etched on the back of the blade and the Well, since I am another example page of 11 examples and PBCo shield on the front handle. It has stuck in the house five shields. The entire brochure is white, a great history starting in 1912 printing for the duration red, black and gray. These are shown in newspapers in British Columbia. It of the virus and Pictures 1, 2 and 3. merged into MacMillan Bloedal in 1950. with no gun or One of the interesting things that I find from Picture 6 shows four special order knife shows to both the AAPK article and, in particular, advertising knives with pyremite attend, I have been Picture One this advertising brochure is that it is very handles. The names are familiar to limited in its focus. There is but one many of us. Socony was formed by the bone handled jack knife and only several breakup of Standard Oil in 1911 and is pyremite (celluloid) folders shown. Also famous for the red flying horse which completely absent are Remington fixed is now Mobil Oil. I also have a pearl blades or scout knives. The brochure knife R6504 with the red horse flying focus is on pearl folders and letter on the handle. Purina is well known and openers. What I have found in collecting without a name change. Columbia Rope Remington knives is that the special order has been in the same business since 1824 of advertising and recognition knives was and is still making rope in Chicago. Picture Two quite widespread. So I decided to write Mentholatum Company began business going through all this article and in 1889 and still operates in New York. my Remington provide pictures The same knife in Remington pearl is Cutlery papers that of the knives in more widely seen. have accumulated sections: folding over the last Picture 7 under folders, other than pearl, knives, other than 20 some years shows two utility knives. The swell pearl; fixed blade of collecting. center slant bolster is a non- catalogue knives; and pearl I have always knife. Its etch is A.H. Spalding Brothers. handled folders. liked Remington The company is still making sporting Picture Four advertising Picture Three Advertising goods. The other knife is a special order including the counter display cases, die folding knives, scout with a fancy Highlander Boys cuts, magazine ads and sales brochures other than pearl, etch and shield. The group was active to help the retailer move his product. So, are widely in Colorado in the 1930s as a Boy Scout in the course of filtering out all of this distributed and alternative. stuff, I uncovered two very interesting highly sought by Next of the three sections of special documents. The first is an article from collectors. A quick order advertising is fixed blades. I have Picture Five April 12, 2015, in the “All About search shows found nothing in print about being able Pocket Knives Remington Forum” by major companies to order any of these knives, but I am “Aremingtonedge” titled “Remington like Nehi, Baby sure it exists. If you have some of it, I Advertising and Marketing Strategies.” Ruth, Wrigleys would appreciate knowing about it or I would suggest that is really great showing up on reading it. coverage in detail on how Remington eBay. Others we Picture 8 shows what are three special would market customization of its knives are hunting for order scout knives with the official in large or small quantities and on what are hunter trader Remington Boy Scout etch. The top and how knives could be customized. trappers give- Picture Six knife is an RH32 which is similar to the I would only be plagiarizing this very away knives of official Boy Scout RH50 except for the complete article to cover its interesting which there are a number 32 and the buttcap. The second detail. So, rather than do that, I will just least six with bone is the RH84 which is Remington’s refer you to its source. handles. Others I can think of are fish knife. The third is one of the three The second document which I consider an Wayne Seeds, pyremite colored handle RH205’s. I have advertising tool for Remington is a four Cunningham also seen a cream handled RH205 and a page brochure which Dennis was willing Continued on page 5 Tube, Aluminum to loan me for the purpose of displaying Picture Seven Advertising That Endures black engraved signature. continued from page 4 The final pictures show a presentation knife which Art Green let me use as a unique example. This knife came from the Mirando Collection. Picture Eight It has a body RH14 and 24 with the official Scout etch, from an Imperial and I expect there are others. If you have Picture Ten knife, blades and one, please let me know the number. The first seven are club, organization, or scissors from Picture Thirteen Picture 9 shows three etched fixed fraternity shield knives. The 8th knife is blades. The RH36 has a deer scene on an inked on shield for the Anchor Club. The 11th knife is a dyed pearl R7284. There were two other pearl knife designs which were commonly special ordered. Picture 11 shows four R6454. It is the 4-blade orange blossom knife. The first knife has an engraved name in

Picture Nine Picture Fourteen it. The RH4 in the center is Cownie Company, custom tanners and furriers. It also has the company shield on the back handle. The lower knife is either a special order or possibly a prototype for an official Scout fixed blade presentation knife. Its number is RH72P. I have seen other etched fixed blades, including the RH134, RH4, RH32 and RH34; but I do not have pictures. I expect there are quite Picture Fifteen a few more in collections. Remington, a non Remington shackle, So now we can look at the third section an engraved gold signature of A. J. on Advertising That Endures which Woodland. Because of the shield it is Picture Eleven is about the pearl handled folders. I known as the Award of Merit Knife. have been collecting Remington pearls black. The second, third and fourth have It is a fine example of a special order for a long time and find them to be of engraved signatures. Two and four are knife and probably cooperation between very high quality production and have blue signatures. The third knife is the Remington and Imperial. Pictures 13, 14 beautiful pearl. My opinion is that there catalogue knife. The second knife has a and 15 show the shield, front and back are more special order advertising and nail nick and a short, long pull. Looks of the knife. presentation custom order pearls out like a lot of orders to fulfill to me. These After I read the AAPK article and there than there are other Remington were high quality knives. folders and fixed blades combined. viewed the Advertising That Endures I have over 42 versions of special Picture number 12 shows four special pamphlet and looked through my knife ordered pearls in my collection and have order R7364, 4- blade lobster knives. collection, I realized how much was probably seen at least that many that I The first three available to order and why we see so do not have. Generally the orders are for are black pearl many variations in Remington knives. different colored (dyed) pearl, custom with number one The pictures are but a small number of etches, engraving of handles (signatures, having worked what is available in the collector market initials, names, addresses, or pictures) “X”into the back over a long period. I certainly enjoy the and file work on blades or liners. of the manicure hunt, the research and the variation that file, and number is found. I hope you enjoyed this article. Picture 10 shows eleven R7284 2-blade two having a gold Please feel free to email me if you have lobsters. Remington catalogue shows they signature. The an interesting variation for me to look at made 17 club emblem knives for order. fourth knife has a [email protected]. Picture Twelve January 2021 cloning this Jim Corrado OKCA Free Classified Ads Clone knives pattern, there was a lot ibdennis of discussion as to how Free classified ads will run up to three issues and then be dropped. Available only to paid members. Write your ad on anything you have handy (except bamboo leaves) and email or snail mail to the OKCA, PO Box 2091, Eugene OR 97402. The number and size of So who in the knifemakers’ world has to go about it. First off, ads submitted by a single member will be accepted, or excepted, dependent on available space and the mood of the editors. never made a Loveless pattern hunting Bryan suggested his knife? Slight few. We have a Bob favorite steel to work Loveless pattern in our collection made with was CPM 154 and by a half dozen makers or more. The not carbon steel, as in pattern is a functional design; and, aside the original Corrado from their collectability, they work well pattern. Bryan also when someone puts them to work. The steered me to standard design is cosmetically perfect in my rivets rather than the opinion, and what better flattery than to tube rivets. copy/clone this knife. I begged for a taper tang, but Bryan did not feel Dark handles (WG to Colorado bottom) I have a few knives that are over the - Wages light colored handles top favorites. Randall patterns are high he had the experience to micarta that Bryan had. As alike as on the list, and I have a few clones in take on that challenge. each one was, there are minute details these patterns. I feel that many knife The Corrado had black micarta handles; that make each one stand out as being aficionados have a few favorites that and because of the curves on the handle, every so slightly different. All laid out they stare at in wonder and amazement the layered micarta has a striking design. together, and one could not tell which but do not dare take out to use. It is just When I was a salesman (since retired), I knife had the “Toni.” (Do any of you old the way it is. I have the same problem, had called on a lumber company which timers remember the “Toni” ads from therefore I have had clone patterns made used a fair amount of industrial micarta 1949 through the 1950s? Which twin has of these favorite knives which I can use to maintain the bandsaws from losing the Toni?) Now there was a conundrum. if the occasion arises. No, not as weed their alignment as they cut wood. When So I took them all. diggers. the micarta becomes too worn, they throw the pieces away. That was until I After the wonderful work that was done In 1980 I purchased a belt came on the scene. on the Corrado knife, I began thinking from Jim Corrado. It felt oh so good in of another knife that was near and dear my hand and served as a small carry knife Industrial grade micarta is tough stuff, to me. It was a Wayne Goddard pocket on my rounds as an industrial salesman. since it has to live up to industrial sheath knife. Wayne had been carrying It was great show-and-tell. Would you standards. It is typically brown in color this, what he called a personal all believe that I even carried it on my belt and makes a tough and durable material purpose every day knife for the better in the early days of airplane travels? No for the handle on a knife. The layering on part of a year. It caught my attention metal detectors, and the length of the curved surfaces is attractive, in addition every time I saw it, and it became blade did not meet the description of a to being 100% water proof. recognizable as Wayne’s “dinky little weapon as per the airlines. Those were I have been gathering up these throw knife.” It was too much looking and not the days. away pieces and have given/donated having, so one day I made him an offer them to local he could not refuse. Salesmen are like knifemakers, and The views and opinions implied or expressed herein by authors and advertisers are not necessarily those of the Oregon Knife Collectors Association, its editors, or its officers; and no that ya know. I had little fear of carrying responsibility for such views will be assumed. The OKCA, its officers and its editors assume no responsibility for claims of advertisers for the quality of goods and services the advertiser many a knife provides. The act of mailing or delivering a manuscript or advertisement shall constitute an express warranty on the part of the contributor that the material is original and in no way an and using this knife, and I thought it to infringement upon the rights of others. The act of mailing or delivering a letter or question to the editor shall constitute permission to publish the letter or portion thereof unless the Oregon handle has been Knife Collectors Association is informed otherwise in that letter. This Knewslettter is devoted to the general interest of the knife community and does not include personal information be a good gift to my number one son such as births, deaths and illness. We also strive to use only material that is directed to the world of cut. Our charter mandates that our mailing list of the membership cannot be sold or used made with this Ray. So Bryan Wages again accepted by other than the Oregon Knife CollectorsAssociation. micarta. Bryan the challenge to clone this “dinky little went to work, knife” using the light brown industrial OKCA Club Whot-zits & Whos Zits and his dedication grade micarta for the handle. It came to doing it right out just right. With a kydex sheath, Craig Morgan Joshua Hill I always wanted another knife similar to weighed heavy it rides well in my pocket. Just like OKCA PO Box 2091 Eugene OR 97402 President (541)345-0152 Master at Arms (503)580-8998 (541)484-5564 this Corrado knife, but Jim Corrado was on him. After seeing the knife he made, Wayne’s knife, it is withdrawn from the there should have been no need for him John Priest Dennis Ellingsen Packages only to: OKCA - 3003 W. 11th hard to pin down to make another. So pocket with sheath and all. From there Vice President (541)517-2029 Show Chairman (541)484-5564 PMB 172 - Eugene OR 97402 this became a one off until recently. I was to be concerned about pleasing me. It it is just the perfect size to attack any Knewslettter by elayne & dennis was beautiful, and his maker mark is Elayne Ellingsen Copyright (C) 2013 Oregon Knife Collectors Association. told Bryan Wages, who lives in Eugene, job asked of it. Thank you Bryan Wages Sec/Tres. (541)484-5564 Web page --- http://www.oregonknifeclub.org/ No part of this Knewslettter may be reproduced without made a quality knife. Bryan was not a prominent on the blade. Bryan made Club email --- [email protected] permission of the OKCA. Layout and printing for a jawb well done. by instaprint - 1208 W. 6th - Eugene, OR 97402 - maker who favored smallish knives like three of these knives. Two have the Phone (541)686-8591 this; so when I approached him about brown micarta, and one has the black March 2013 Page 7 OKCA period,Free all lettersClassified Ads A Souvenir Knife would have been Martin Drivdahl Free classified ads willin runcaps; up to and three bothissues and then be dropped. Available only to paid members. Write your ad on anything you have handy (except bamboo leaves) and email or snail mail to the OKCA, PO Box 2091, Eugene OR 97402. The number and size of How do I know this is a souvenirads submitted knife– by a singleblades member would will havebe accepted, or excepted, dependent on available space and the mood of the editors. because it says so on the mark side handle- been stamped. SOUVENIR OF WASHINGTON DC. It may be one of the lower quality The knife is a pen knife 2-7/8” long Winchester (closed) with cast aluminum sides and knives made two pen blades. The large blade is deeply after 1931; but it tang stamped “Winchester,” and this is more likely a blade also has a “Winchester” etch in the FAKE Winchester same lettering form parallel to the blade. knife crafted to The U.S. Capitol is nicely depicted on provide maximum the mark side, and the Congressional marketing appeal Library is boldly shown on the backside. to tourists visiting Both images appear in very fine detail; Washington, D.C. and the curvilinear embellishments around the building depictions and on At any rate, the the ends of the knife are an example of craftsmanship and very intricate and eye catching artistry, quality put into or so it seems to me. the manufacture of this souvenir Only one blade has the Winchester knife seem quite markings; and based on the information in stunning; and Goin’s Encyclopedia, it isn’t the marking I too became used during the early years (1919 to hooked! 1931) when Winchester was involved in the production of knives. During this So much knife knews for now.

WWII Hike Clay Stephens at this site. Although it commands an impressive In honor of the December 07, 1941, infamous view, winter conditions of freezing wind and rain date, I hiked the Cape Perpetua Oregon ocean would have made this open air stone hut a difficult sight. Military and civilian men and women kept a post. This hike was witnessed by my Camillus lookout for Japanese war ships throughout WWII rope knife. It’s stamped U.S.C.G. 1944-05.

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