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Wise, of Sandy Run, Calhoun County, S. C.; to the Committee By 1\Ir. RATHBONE! Joint resolution (H. J. Res. 303) on the C1vil Service. · authorizing the award of a medal of honor and $10,000 to By :Mr. HICKEY: A bill (H. R. 10372) granting an in­ each of the world flyers ; to the Committee on Military Affairs. crea ·e of pension to l\Iary E~ Sherbondy; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. By 1\Ir. HILL of Washington: A bill (H. R. 10373) to reim­ PETITIONS, ETC. burNe James Doherty; to the Committee on Claims. Under clause 1 of Rule XXII, petitions and papers were laid By Mr. KEARNS: A bill (H. R. 10374) granting an in­ on the Clerk's desk and referred as follows : crease t>f pension to Anne L. Fomorin ; to the Committee on 3094. By 1\Ir. CLAGUE : Petition of residents of Sherburn, Invalid Pensions. Minn., opposed to Senate bill 3218; to the Committee on the By 1\Ir. Kil\"T})RED: A bill (H. R. 10375) to reimburse District of Columbia. . Henry Wolf, an inmate of the United States Veterans' Bu­ 3095. Also, petition of rural mail carriers, Brown County, reau Rehabilitation Center No. 2, Perry Point, 1\Id., for losses 1\Iinn., in favor of postal wage bill now pending in the Senate ; sustained as a result of a fire in the barracks at that station to the Committee on the Post Office and Post Roads. on or about , 1924; to the Committee on Claims. 3096. By 1\Ir. CULLEN: Petition of Board of Aldermen of By l\lr. LEAVITT: A bill (H. R. 10376) for the relief of the City of New York, urging favorable action on postal salary the heirs of Karl T. Larson, deceased; to the Committee on bill ( S. 1898) ; to the Committee on the Post Office and Post the Public Lands. Roads. By l\1r. LOZIER: A bill (H. R. 10377) granting · a pension 3097. By 1\Ir. GOLDSBOROUGH: Papers to accompany . to Sarah E. McClaren ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. House bill 10304, granting a pension to Lucy R. Robertson ; to By 1\Ir. McDUFFIE: A bill (H. R. 10378) for the relief of the Committee on Invalid Pensions. the owners of the tug Bascobel; to the Committee on 3098. By · Mr. KIESS: Evidence in support of House bill Claims. 3881, granting an honorable discharge to George P. Bailey; to By 1\Ir. McLAUGHLIN of Michigan: A bill (H. R. 10379) to provide for the retirement of Clarence W. Sessions, judge of the_ Committee on Military Affairs. the District Court for the Western District of Michigan ; to· the 309D. By 1\Ir. KINDRED : Petition of Board of Aldermen of Committee on the Judiciary. the City of New York, favoring increase in the salary of postal Also, a bill (H. R. 10380) granting an increase of pension to employees ( S. 1898) ; to the Committee on the Post Office and Lorinda R. Cooper; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Post Roads. By l\ir. MAGEE of New York: A bill (H. R. 10381) grant­ 3100. By 1\Ir. O'CONNELL of New York: Petition of the ing a pension to l\fary E. Garrett; to the Committee on Invalid Board of Aldermen of the City of New York, favoring the Pensions. postal salary increase bill ( S. 1898) ; to the Committee on the Also, a· bill (H. R. 10382) granting a pension to l\lary 0. Post Office and Post Roads. Risley; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. 3101. By 1\Ir. ROUSE: Petition of 300 citizens of Kenton · By Mr. MILLIGAN: A bill (H. R. 10383) grantinO' a pension County, Ky., against the passage of a compulsory Sunday ob­ to Elizabeth A. Norman: to the Committee on Invalid Pen­ servance bill ( S. 3218) or the passage of any other religious sions. legislation; to the Committee on the Judiciary. By Mr. NEWTON of Missouri: A bill (H. R. 103S4) for the 3102. By Mr. TEMPLE: Testimony in support of House bill relief of Mary Guth; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. 10324, special bill in behalf of Mrs. Laura Crawford, widow of By 1\Ir. RAGON: A bill (H. R. 10385) for the relief of Mar­ Samuel R. Crawford, Company D, Twenty-second Pennsylvania garet Richards ; to the Committee on Claims. Cavalry; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. By Mr. RATHBONE: A bill (H. R. 10386) to provide for the 3103. By 1\fr. WEAVER: Petition of Asheville (N. 0.) Cham­ military status -of the world flyers; to the Committee on Mili­ ber of Commerce, relating to appropriations for the Bureau of tary Affairs. Fisheries; to the Committee on the Merchant Marine and By 1\Ir. SANDERS of Indiana: A bill (H. R. 10387)" granting Fisheries. a pension to George W. Wolf; to the Committee on Pen ions. By l\1r. SEARS of Florida: A bill (H. R. 103 8) granting a pension to Rose Key ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES By 1\Ir. STRONG of Kansas: A bill (H. R. 10389) for the relief of John H. Moore ; to the Committee on the Civil Service. SATURDAY, Dece1nber 6, 19~ly By 1\Ir. STRONG of Pennsylvania: A bill (H. R. 10390) granting an increase of pension to Clara R. Wilson ; to the Com­ The House met at 12 o'clock noon. mittee on Pensions. The Chaplain, Rev. James Shera Montgomery, D. D., offered By 1\Ir. SWOOPE: A bill (H. R. 10391) granting _an increase the following prayer : of pension to Amanda. Jane CheSJlutt; to the Committee on Almighty God, do Thou gh·e us vision that we may arise Invalid Pensions. to the high privileges of our daily tasks. Let each new day By 1\Ir. TREADWAY: A bill (H. R. 10392) granting an in­ challenge us to nobler and better effort. Allow nothing to crease of pension to Jennie Miller ; to the Committee on Invalid lessen the dignity and the value of our labors. May we un­ Pensions. derstand that to give happiness and to do good are the chief Also, a bill (H. R. 10393) granting an increase of pension to anchors· of the finest character. ·when perplexity arises, give Hortense F. Thayer ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. us patience and help us to put aside all useless and hurtful By Mr. VAILE: A bill (H. R. 10394) granting a pension to things. Bless all institutions of our land that succor the Josephine l\1. Buck; to the Committee on Pensions. unfortunate and that train the youth; and more and more By l\lr. VINCENT of Michigan: A bill (H. R. 10395) grant­ may the dreams of freedom and fraternity be realized. ing a pension to Amy Azelia Purdy ; to the Committee on In­ Through Cb!ist. Amen. valid Pensions. By Mr. WEAVER: A bill (H. R. 10396) granting an increase The Journal of the proceedings of yesterday was read and of pension to Frank Waters; to the Committee on Pensions. approved. _ By Mr. WHITE of l\Iaine: A• bill (H. R. 10397) granting a CHRISTMAS RECESS pension to Erwen C. Rose; to the Committee on Invalid Pen­ sions. Mr. LONGWORTH. Mr. Speaker, I offer the following Also, a bill (H. R. 10398) granting a pension to Josephine El. concurrent resolution. Grant; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. The Clerk read as follows: Also, a bill (H. R. 10399) granting a pension to Arria S. House Concurrent Resolution 82 Sargent ; to the· Committee on Pensions. Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate C01Wlwring)", By Mr. WILLIAMSON: A bill (H. R. 10400) for the relief That when the two Houses adjourn Saturday, December 20, 1924, of the Custer Electric Light, Heat & Power Co., of Custer, they stand adjourned until 12 o'clock meridian, Monday, December S. Dak. ; to the Committee on Claims. 29, 1924. By Mr. ZIHLl\IAN: A bill (H. R. 10-!01) granting a pension to Mary A. E. Howard ; to the Committee on Pensions. Mr. LONGWORTH. Mr. Speaker, a few days ago I offered Also, a bill (H. R. 10402) granting a pension to Thomas some observations on the adjournment which seemed to be Kirk ; to the Committee on Pensions. advisable, and, if there is no objection, I move the adoption Also, a bill (H. R. 10403) granting a pension to James H. of the resolution. Osburn ; to the Committee on Pensions. The resolutio~ ·was agreed to. 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MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE interests of the Government, re erving the right to reject any and all A message from the Senate, by Mr. Craven, one of its clerks, bids. The proceeds from such lease or sale shall be paid into the announced that the Senate had passed the following resolu­ reclamation fund. tions: Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent Senate Resolution 27 4 that all debate on this paTagraph and amendments thereto Resolved, That the Senate has heard with profound sorrow the close in 10 minutes. announcement of the death of Hon. Elow ARD CAMPBELL LITTLE, late a The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from :Michigan asks unan­ Representative from the State of Kansas. imous consent that all debate on this paragraph and amend­ ReBolved, That the Secretary communicate these resolutions to the ments close in 10 minutes. Is there objection? House of Representatives and transmit a copy thereof to the family Mr. CLARKE of New York. Reserving the right to object, of the deceased. what is the necessity of taking up 10 minutes of the time o! Senate Resolution 275 the House on this matter when it is so busy? Resolved, That the Senate bas beard with profound sorrow the The CHAIR~IAN. Is there objection? [After a pause.] announcement of the death of Hon. SYDNEY E. MuDD, late a Repre­ The Chair hears none. sentative from the State of Maryland. Mr. RAKER. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the com­ Resolved, That the Secretary communicate these resolutions to the mittee, may I ask the gentleman from North Dakota a ques­ House of Representatives and transmit a copy thereof to the family tion? About what amount of money has been expended on of the deceased. this project? S~nate Resolution 276 Mr. SINCLAIR. In all about $700,000. Resolved, That the Senate has heard with profound sorrow the Mr. RAKER. What would the gentleman estimate to be announcement of the death of Hon. Wrr.LIAM STEDMA~ GRE]l)N», late the value of the project? a Representative from the State of MaBsachu.setts. Mr. SINCLAIR. Under normal conditions I think the proj- Resolved, That · the Secretary communicate these resolutions to the ect is really worth $500,000 anyway. House of Representatives and transmit a copy thereof to the family Mr. RAKER. And there are about 200 farmers on the property. of the deceased. 1\lr. SINCLAIR. One hundred and forty-four. Resolved, That as a further mark of respect to the memory of the 1\Ir. RAKER. I understand they can raise sugar beets there. deceased the Senate do now adjourn. 1\fr. SINCLAIR. Yes. Mr. R.A..KER. Now, tbis statement of the gentleman from AGRICULTURAL APPROPRIATION BILL North Dakota pre ent a case of exceptional importance. Mr. MAGEE, from the Committee on Appropriations, by Mr. SINCLAIR. Will the gentleman yield for me to read a direction of that committee, reported the bill (H. R. 10404. telegram at this point? Rept~ No. 1034) making appropriations for the Department of Mr. RAKER. I will yield for the purpose although my Agriculture for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1926, and for time is limited. ' other purposes, which was read a first and second time and, Mr. SINCLAIR. The project manager, I believe is the best with accompanying papers, referred to the Committee of the qualified man to determine the value of this project'. Whole House on the state of the Union. Mr. RAKER. I will ask the gentleman to put this in quickly Mr. GARRETT of Tennessee. Mr. Speaker, I reserve all because I have so litt_I.e time. ' points of order, and I would like to ask if this will be the next .1\'[r. SINCLAIR. Then I shall put it into the RECORD. bill to be called up? · Mr. RAKER. Oh, let the Clerk read it out of my time. Mr. MAGEE. I understand that it will follow the Interior ~'he CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the Clerk will read. Department appropriation bill, which is now being considered. The Clerk read as follows: Next Monday being District day, it will be called up on the next WILLisroN, N. DAK., Decewtiher 5, 19i4. day on which appropriation bills may be considered. J. S. Sr~CL.!IR, INTERIOR DEFARTM.ENT. AEPBO£RIATION BILL HoWJe of Representatives, Washington, D. 0.: Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Speaker, I move that the House resolve Williston should be willing to pay cost of generating current plus IS itself into Committee of the Whole House on the state of the per cent for depreciation on portion of plant used and 6 per cent tn.­ Union for the further consideration of the Interior Department tere&t. This would mean rate of 5 to 5% cents for energy delivered appropriation bill. in Williston, or approximately actual generating cost for towns or The motion was agreed to. . similar size throughout North Dak()ta. State public utility commis­ Accordingly the House resolved itself into Committee of the sion could arbitrate rates. This would leave margin of eight to ten Whole House on the state of the Union, with Mr. SANDERS of thousand dollars to apply on reduction to irrigation costs. It Wash­ Indiana in the chair. ington overhead expenses were eliminated, per recommendations ot fact The CHAIR.l\l.AN. The question recurs on the amendment, finders, farmers must return about $2.50 per year for every irrigable which the Clerk will again report. acre, which is not prohibitive on small intensively cultivated farms. The Clerk read as. follows : Any plan for future should include immediate Government and rail­ road cooperation to place farmer settlers on excess lands ; also on ex­ Page 73, line 2, after the words "North Dakota," strike out an the penditure of about $30,000 from appropriation in two years to reduce remainder the paragraph and insert in lieu thereof the following: ot annual operation expenses about 9,000. This is vitally essential, and "For operation, maintenance, and incidental operations, $50,000." if it can not be secw·ed possibility ot farmers paying out is very The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment" offered doubtfuL by the gentleman from North Dakota. Will. S. ARTHUR. The question was taken ; and on a division {demanded by Mr. RAKER. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the commit­ Mr. SINCLAIR) there were-ayes 12, noes 26. tee, this property can be handled at a profit, even for electric So the amendment was rejected. energy. Do not abandon it at this time. Gi.ve it a chance for Mr. RAKER. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the para- one year without appropriation. Strike out this provision graph. and it leaves this project to stand for a year on its own feet. The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will report the amendment. Those people will come back next :rear and be in n position to The Clerk read as follows: ;make some showing. You ought not to abandon one of these Amendment by Mr. RAKER: Page 73, beginning line 1, strike out the reclamation projects without an opportunity on the part of the paragraph down to and including lin~ 10. people who are interested to be heard. The people want the Mr. RAKER. .Mr. Chairman, may the Clerk read the para­ project to -remain. There is a showing that you can get a graph? profit from electric energy. Do not authoriz-e it to be sold or The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the Clerk will again dismantled. Do not authoriz-e it to be sold to some large con­ read the paragraph. cern that will come in there and buy it for fifty or sixty thou­ The Olerk read as follows : sand dollars and open up a plant worth a million for raising sugar beets, but give these farmers an O]Jportunity and let Williston project (formerly North Dakota pumping project), North them stay in the same position that they are in now for the Dakota.: The Director of Reclamation is autbori.Eed, during the fiscal next year. The Government will be at no expense, and then year 1925, or thereafter, to appraise the buildings, machinery, equip­ after a year of development, after a year of opportunity, after ment, and all other property ot whatever nature or kind appertaining a year of presenting the matter they can then come here and to this project and to lease or to sell the same at public Ol' private Congress. will be in a. position to determine what to do. I think sale, on such terms and in such manner as he· may deem tor th• best you ought not to aband(}n it, and .J liope you-will- not. 1924 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 227

1\fr. CHINDBLOM. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? cation and filing fees to the land office. Subject to the requlremea.t Mr. RAKER. Yes. that final proofs must be taken before the nearest accessible officer in Mr. CHINDBLOM. Has the project gone up in value a half the land district, if not submitted to the register and receiver per- · .~illion dollars? Did not the gentleman from North Dakota sonally, the official designated by the register to take homestead and say a moment ago that it was worth a half million dollars? other final proofs in any specific case is the person selected or sug­ Mr. RAKER. We have spent $700,000 on it in money. There gested by the public land claimant. . This matter is discussed very is the water right and the land, with the opportunity of a briefly on page 128 of t~e printed hearings. wonderful development. They have found out lately that they T.be Clerk read as follows: can sucessfully produce sugar beets there, when the land is properly irrigated, and now we are asked to dismantle this Salt Lake Basin project, Utah, first division : For construction of plant without ·an opportunity upon the part of the people in­ Echo Reservoir, and Weber-P~ovo Canal, and incidental operations, j:erested ·to be heard. Do not permit this to be done. $900,000: Pt·ovidul, That any unexpended balance of any appropria­ The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Cali­ tion available for the Salt Lake Basin project for the fiscal year 1923 fornia has expired. shall remain available during the fiscal year 1926: Pt·ovided further, Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, these are the facts. There That no part of this appropriation shall be used for construction pur­ are 1,160 a cres being irrigated. If there are 150 farmers work­ poses until a contract or contracts in form approved by the Secretary ing the 1,160 acres, they ·ought to get out of it everything that of the Interior shall have been made with an irrigation district or there is in it. There bas not been a year since the plant with irrigation districts organized under State law, providing for pay­ has been in operation that they have paid back the cost of ment by the district or districts as hereinafter provided. The Secre­ operation and maintenance, to say nothing of construction tary of the Interior shall by public notice announce the date when cha r ges. water is available under the project, and the amount of the construc­ 1\fr. SNELL. How many years has that been in. operation? tion costs charged against each district shall be payable in annual Mr. CRA1\1TON. Ten years or more-15 years. The prin­ installments, the first installment to be 5 per cent of the total cipal business there is furnishing electric light to the town charge and be due and payable on the 1st day of December of t he of Williston. There has never been a year when there has not year following the date of said public notice, the remainder of the been a loss to the Treasury for furnishing water to those construction charge, with interest on deferred amounts from date nf 1,160 acres. We come in here with this proposition, and they said public notice at 4 per cent per annum, to be amortized by suddenly find, so the gentleman from California [Mr. RAKER] payment o~ each December 1 thereafter of 5 per cent of said re­ says, that they can run it next year without any help from the mainder for 40 years, or until the obligation is paid in full: Provided Treasury at all, and a telegram comes to the gentleman from further, That the operation and maintenance charges on account of North Dakota [Mr. SINCLAIR] from the farmers there saying land in this project shall be paid annually in advance not later than that it is a good project and that it can be run successfully March 1, no charge being made for operation and maintenance for with no overhead in Washington. The town of. Williston the first y~ar after said public notice. It shall be the duty of the knows that it can be made a good project in furnishing electric Secretary of the Interior to give such public notice when water is power. The purpose of the paragraph is not to destroy it, it actually available for such lands. is not to let some great octopus get it but tUbl!c propriation of $900,000. It provides that the money shall not or any official authorized to administer oaths. It is estimated that be spent until a contract is made between the Government from 70 to 75 per cent of the applications and final proofs are executed and an irrigation district. It is not general legislation, and before officers other· than the registers and receivers of district land bas no effect upon any other project in existence or hereafter offices. A large number of the United States commisisoners have un­ created. It has to do only with the appropriation which this official records, the data for which has been obtained by them or their paragraph proposes to make, and in order to safeguard the agents, from the district land offices, and this is the reason that so return of that money to the Tre~sury this limitation is neces­ large a number of publlc land claim:mts make their applications sary~ For instance, to show the safeg·uarding of it to the through these officers and depend upon them to attend to all details, Treasury, the proviso requh·es the creation of an irrigation including preparation of the apl)lication and transmittal of the applt- district. The effect of that is that the charges due the Gov:· 228 CONGRESSIONAL RECOR.D-HOUSE DECEMBER 6

I er.nment from year to year will be assessed n.s taxes and will Mr. DENISON. Mr. Chairman, the amendment offered b1 be collected as taxes and turned back to the Government, so the gentleman from Utah is the same as the language in the1 that without that proviso the -very uncertain matter of the bill. return of the money to the Tr-easury under the proviso becomes Mr. CRAMTON. E:x:eept three words are added. as certain as the collection of taxes. It has been rsaid there The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman's amendment is not yet .are only two things that are sure in this world-death and before the committee. The gentleman will send up his amend­ taxes-and we have a-dopted one 'Of those methods to insure ment nnd the Ohair will then determine what sort of an the return of this money to the Treasury. Furthermore, the amendment it is. proviso carries the provision for collection of interest upon Mr. CRAMTON. .Mr. Chairman, I shall be glad to proceed these deferred charges. That charge would not be collectible while the gentleman ls preparing his amendment. I will speak otherwise. If this proviso does not go into the item and the on my amendment. appropriation should :be made without this proviso this money Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the committee, the situation is used for 20 or 40 years without interest ; but the proviso, 1s this: The Salt Lake project relates entirely to land in pri­ which the gentleman from California has ealled. attention to, vate ownership. It relates entirely to land now in cultivation provides for a charge of interest of 4 J)er cent upon the de- in areas of about 25 acres to a farm, as I understand. It is . 1'erred payments. It is in the interest of protecting the Treas­ naw under irrigation, but with insufficient water for its proper ury and a nece sary limitation upon this particular item. development. They have heretofore raised field crop, and The 'CHAIRMAN. Can the gentleman from Michigan cite they are desirous of turning to truck farming. They have the Ohair to any authority co-vering this question of limita­ water until early in Juiy, and they can grow anything that can tion? be grown up to that period. After that their water supply Mr. CR.A.l\ITON. It has not occurred to the Chairman that fails them and they can not farm. So they desire a reservoir any question wou1d be raised about it, and I have not con­ to be constructed, and a canal, to provide an additional water sulted the precedents. supply. With that a{}ditional water supply-and I run advised The CHAIRMAN. The Chair is inclined to think it iB not that as an engineering project it is feasible, and that the oost a proper limitation upon the bill, but the Ohair would be glad would be such as the project could bear-with that additional to hear the gentleman. water supply they could w-ork their crops through the whole Mr. CUlliTON. It i-s, I take it, within the general pre­ season. It is therefore an additional facility for those farmers cedents in reference to limitations. living in that region. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman ft•om California [Mr. Mr. COLTON. 1\Ir. Chairman, w.ill the gentleman yield? RAKER] makes the IJOint of order 'against the proviso com­ Mr. CRAMTON. Yes. mencing in line 11, page 74, whieh is as follows: Mr. COLTON. There will be a large acreage of new land Provided further, That no part of this appropriation shall be used brought under cultivation. It can be if this reservoir is con­ for construction purposes until a contract or contracts in form ap­ structed. proved by the Secretary of the Interior shall have been made with an Mr. ORAMTON. Well, in the hearings the information given irrigation district or with irrigation districts organized under State to me at that time was that there was no new area. But if o, law, providing for payment by 'the district or districts as hereinafter it is land in private ~wnership, as I understand. provided. 'The Secretary of the Inta'ior shall by publlc notice an­ Mr. COLTON. Largely. nounce the date when water is available under the project, and the Mr. CRAMTON. This, then, is .a proposition to eventually amount of the construction costs .charged against each district shall appropriate two or three million dollars to -provide additional be payable in annual installments, the first installmen-t to be 6 per facilities for tho e ·farm lands in Utah. A.s I said the other cent -of the total charge and be due and -payable on the 1st day of day, if th~ farmers up in my district want to build a silo or December of the year following the dai:e of aid public notice, the provide permanent improvements on their farms they can go remainder of the con. truetion charg(l, wit'h interest on deferred to the Government of the United States, its Farm Loan Board, amounts from date of sa1d public notice at 4 per cent per annum, and borrow money for that purpose. They borrow on t erms to be .amortized by payment on each December 1 thereafter o1 6 per amortized so that in 40 years the money bm.-rowed is to be cent of said .l'elllainder for 40 years, or 11nt:il the obligation is paid returned to the Government with interest at 41,4 per cent . in full: Provided further, That the operation n.nd maintenance charges Now, as this item now stands in the bill because of a point on account of Ja.nd in this project shall be paid annually in .advance of order made by the gentleman from Califoi·nia fMr. RAKER] not later than March 1, no charge being made for operation and main­ it is proposed now, as the item .stands, as a result of his action, tenance for the .fir. t year n.fter -said public n-otice.. It shall be the duty to furnish these further facilities for those farmers in Utah, l()f the Secretary of the Interior to give such public nutice when water not as facilities would be furnished to farmers elsewhere is actually available for such l-ands. throughout fue coun ry, through the Farm Loan Board, but It might be possible that that proviso might have been so to furnish them that money for a. period that is uncertain, worded as to make it a proper limitation, but it seems clear from 30 to 40 years, without interest. to the Chair the way it ls drawn it is not a mere limitation M1·. RAKER. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield'( upon this appropriation but it is a modification of e:risting law Mr. CRAMTON. Not now; but I shall be .glad to yield that goes on for many years, and the Ohair will sustain the after I finish, if the gentleman from California will have -point of order against the proviso. . enough regu.rd for the -Treasury to 'Withdraw his point of Mr. CRAMTON. l\1r. Chairman, I mo-ve that the paragraph order and let us put this bill through in a logical way. be stricken out. Now, this paragraph as it now stands in the bill proposes The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Michigan offers .an that we loan two and one-half million dollars or more to· cer­ amendment, which the Clerk will report. tain farmers in Utah for 30 or 40 years, without interest. The Clerk read as follows: What logic is there in that? I protest against that. What-· ever may have been the _policy of reclamation, it never was Amendment by Mr. CRAMTON: Page 74, line G, strike out the para­ intended to reach lands in private ownership and under pri­ graph. vate cultivation. There would be no logic in it. Mr. LEATHERWOOD. Mr. Chairman-- The OHAIRM.A.N. The time of th.e gentleman from Michi­ The CHAIRJ\.i.A.N. Does the gentleman from Michigan gan has expired. yield? Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, may I ba-re five additional l\lr. CRAMTON. I will yield for the purpose of the .g.entle­ minutes( .man offering an amendment. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Michigan asks Mr. LEATHERWOOD. Mr. Chairman, I desire to offer an unanimous consent for five additional minutes. Is there amendment to the .motion, or rather a substitute. objection? The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Utah offers an Mr. BLANTON. Reserying the right to object-which I .amendment as a -substitute for th.e amendment of the g-entle­ shall not do--would it not save tilne and money to give to the man from Michigan . gentleman from California [Mr. RAKEB] and to the gentleman .Mr. LEATHERWOOD. ~<>inning .on page 74, line 6, .I offer from Washington .[Mr. Su.M.MEBs] everything they want, and the following amendment as a substitute : then proceed with the consideration of the bill? ·Salt Lake Basin project, Utah, ftrst atvision : For construction of 1\1r. CRAl\ITON. J . do not know of anything that baR been Echo Re ervoir, Utah Lake Control, and Weber-Provo Canal, and :inci­ denied to fue gentleman from California, and I do not know dental .operations, $900,000; P{Q'Vided, :That any unexpended balanee of anything -we could do to make him happy. .The gentutmen of any a-pl}ropriation .ava.llahle for ilie Salt Lake Basin proj-ect "or the from Utah 11re not objecting to the terms of the bill. I want fiscal year 1.925 shall J.•emnin aYailable during the ·fiseal year 1926. to do them that justice. But if this language had not gone .. '

1924 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 229 out on the objection of the gentleman from California the thing applied to one territory, and another to another, accord· collllllittee would . not have offered that provision. ing to the view of" some people. Money properly expended for Now, the language having been taken out which safeguards developing and building up homes is not extravagance. the Treasury, I have rooTed to strike out the item. That lan­ The matter in this bill is DDt what the gentleman claims it is. gua!-,'"e stricken out requires an irrigation district to be created. There it no dDubt on earth about it. The fact that it is not We can do best with one district, the charges being tilen col­ in my district or in my State should make no difference, and Iedcu as taxes, instead of dealing with severa.l thousand another one follows in relation to Oregon or Washington. I farmers; and further, there is the provision for paying interest do not want to interfere with the people who have projects in on the loan and the provision for the payment of operation other places, but the:x:e ought to be general legislation. anrl maintenance charges in advanc-e, so that we will know Mr. COLTON. Will the gentleman yield? that we will get them. Without those safeguards we would Mr. RAKER. Yes. not have recommended the appropriation. Now that the ap­ Mr. COLTON. Is it not a fact that general legislation has propriation has been stripped of all the safeguards we placed already been passed by the two Houses of Congress and is about it, and which ought to surround it, we are obliged to ask before the President for signature? you to take the appropriation out of the bill. Mr. RAKER. Then, if that is true, and it is, why the state· What will happen then? I assume that the language of the ment of the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. CRAMTON], because appropriation is likely to be restored in another body, per­ that will be the law, and that will handle this $990,000 if it haps with the safeguards, and perhaps not. At all events, we is appropriated for this project. Is not that true? shall have an opportunity in conference to safeguard the Mr. COLTON. Yes. But if the gentleman will yield appropriation. fnrther-- I hope the committee will accept my amendment and take Mr. RAKER. I yield for a question. the item out of the bill. Mr. COI.II'ON. This proviso is not inconsistent with that Mr. COLTON. There is an amendment to be acted on. general legislation and, if the committee insists, will do no The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Utah [Ur. LEATHER­ harm. wooD] offers a preferential amendment, which the Clerk will Mr. RAKER. Oh, dear, dear, dear; I ought to stand pats report. but I am not a standpatter; that is the trouble. But the The Clerk read as follows: Appropriations Committee a sumes jurisdiction over all legisla­ tion. Here is a committee made U:Q. of men who have given Amendment offered by Mr. L&THE.B.WOOD: Page 74, line 6, insert: " Salt Lake Basin project, Utah, first division : For construction of years of study to and the work upon reclamation projects, but you come right in, and you take up the whole question of legis­ Echo Reservoir, Utah Lake control~ and Weber-Provo Canal. and inci­ dental operations, $900,000: Provided, 'l'hat any unexpended balance of lation in regard to irrigation and irrigation projects and put it any appropriation ava.ilabk for the Salt Lake Basin projed for the on an appropriation bill knowing-and you must have known fiscal year 1925 sball remain available during the fiscal year 1926." at the time--that is not proper. Then you say, "Wh.y, you are ruining this project; you want to squander the people's money Mr. RAKER. Mr. Ohairman, I ask unanimous consent to because you do not agree with us." Now, there is nothing in proceed for 10 minutes. that at all. It is not a personal matter with me but is a The CHAIRMAN. 'l'he gentleman from Utah has the :floor, question of trying to represent a part of the United States if he wish~s to p1·oceed. or represent and do my duty as. a committeeman as nearly as Mr. LElATBERWOOD. I do not care to. I reserve my right I can. But it does seem there is no opportunity at times to to be heard later. assist in legislation through the committees upon which you · J.\.fr. RAKER. I ask unanimous consent that. I may proceed have been appointed, and after you have given from 12 to 14 for 10 minutes. Then r shall get thr01.1gh. years' study to a proposition certain men come in from the The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from California asks Appropriations Committee and place legislation on this bill ; unanimous consent to proceed: for 10 minutes. Is there objec­ and then. because you object to it when it is not rounded out tion? at all, they say you are squandering the people's money. Mr. CRAMTON. Reserving the right to object, Mr~ Chair­ Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. Will the gentleman yield? man, is the gentleman going to be pretty good-natured during Mr. RAKER. Yes. . the remainder of the afternoon? Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. How long has that committee l\Ir. RAKER. I am always so. been working on this project? The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? Mr. RAKER. They sent it up only about a month before There was no objection. we adjourned, and we had another matter, the Colorado River Mr. RAKER. This is not an intended effort on my part, matter, on our hands. They brought in this matter with even if I could, to in anywise delay or hamstring or affect tha volumes of material and expected us to put it through during present appropriation bill. So far as votes are concerned~ oi the last few days of the session. course the committee will have the ~otes. There is no doubt Mr. TAYWR of Colorado. Has not that committee been a.b<>ut that. But in order that the committee may understand considering matters pertaining to reclamation projects and the matter I wish to say that as a member of the Committee which would be applicable to this kind of a situation?- on Irrigati~n and Reclamation for some 14 years, lacking ona Mr. It.A.KER. No.,. not at all, when the matter was pre­ short period, I have attempted to give the best attention I sented to us only a month before we adjourned. We could not could to that legislation. Last session we had before the com­ do it because we did not have the time. Our time and atten­ mittee what is in that second deficiency bill, as amendment tion had been given for months and months to the Colorado numbered 58 on irrigation and reclamation projects. That has. project, one of the greatest developments that could occur in pas ed the Senate and is before the President for signature.. the United States. This came on in the last days of the session In that bill these people got about what they wanted, and it and they expected us to put it through in a few moments. will provide for just what is in this bill now. Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. As a matter of fact, that com· I

objection? [After a pause.] The Chair hears none. Does notice at 4 per cent per annum, to be amortized by payment on eac the gentleman from Utah [Mr.· LEATHERWOOD] desire to with­ December 1 thereafter of 5 per cent of said remainder for 40 years, or draw his amendment? until the ubligation is paid in full: Pro"t-~Lded further, That no part of1 Mr. LEATHERWOOD. Mr. Chairman, in view of the fact the sum provided for herein shall be expended for construction on that the gentleman from California [Mr. RAKER] has with­ account <>f any lands in private ownership until an appropriate repay-: drawn his point of order I ask unanimous consent to withdraw ment contract in accordance with the terms of this act and in formJ my amendment. approved by the Stcretary of the Intel1or shall have been properl The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Utah asks unani­ executed by a district organized under State law, embracing the Iande mous con ent to withdraw his amendment. Is there objection? in public or private ownership irrigable under the project, and the exe• There was no objection. cutlon thereof shall have been confirmed by decree of a court <>f com· Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent petent jurisdiction, which contract, among other things, shaJl contain. to withdraw the motion I made to strike out the paragraph. an appraisal approved by the Secretary of the Interior showing the The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Michigan asks present actual bona fide value of all such lrrlgable lands, fixed without: unanimous consent to withdraw the motion he made to strike reference to the proposed construction of said Kittitas division, and· out the paragraph. Is there objection? shall provid' The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman will state it. by the Secretary of the Interior, and shall also provide that upon proo!. Mr. CHINDBLOM. Is the ruling of the Chair with.drawn? of fraudulent representation as to the true consif promoting the development out amendment. and settlement of the project after completion, Including the subdivi­ Mr. LEATHERWOOD. l\lr. Chairman, I offer an amend­ sion of landq held in private ownership by any individual Jn excess ment. of 160 lrrigable acres, the securing, selection, anu financing of settlers The CHAIRM~~- The gentleman from Utah offers an to enable the purchase of the required livestock, equipment, and sup· amendment, which the Clerk will report. plies, and the improvement of the lands to render them habitable and The Cieri\: read as follows: productive. The State shall provi

procedure. However, this is not the time or the place to try construction installments beginning with the year 1925 or one-fourtli to amend this bill in that important respect; but I do hope over the first half of the remain1ng installments and three-fourths that before the bill is finally passed these inconsistencies may over the second half of such installments ; and be taken into consideration and that a satisfactory, reasonable, (e) Brietly, the conditions which make such extension necessary and businesslike system of repayment may be worked out so (data furnished in connection with former applications, reliable in­ that our people will know just what they are obligated to do. formation in the project office or in possession of the bureau !rom I have no desire to offer an amendment at this time, be­ other sources may be utilized). cause, as I say, this is not the time or the place; but it is a The board of directors or the water users' association or irriga­ matter that certainly must have mature consideration and one tion district affected will be requested to take action on applications that the two Houses must come to an agreement on before the for relief. Following recommendations by such board the applica­ legislation is finally passed. I am informed that the land law tions will be considered by the chief clerk ill connection With such of Ireland gives 68 years for repayment with interest, and data as a.re available touching the general conditions of the unit in that after 20 yep.rs out of 400,000 purchasers there are only question and the division of the project involved, and thereupon will 350 delinquencies. Denmark gives 75 years for repayment submit recommendations to the Commissioner of the Bureau of with interest. Reclamation through the office of the Director of Finance, whose We may be coming to this, but America moves more speedily, recommendation will also be submitted with the transmittal of all and I do not believe public sentiment would indorse such a papers to the commissioner. If the application is approved as sub­ plan, nor do I believe the settler would require it. A thrifty mitted, the decision of the commissioner will be final. It application American citizen is always looh.-ing to the day he can pay off ls rejected in whole or in part by the commissioner, an appeal will the mortgage during his own lifetime and leave his property lie to the Secretary of the Interior. unincumbered. Extension of time may likewise be granted to a legally organized The provisos attached to this appropriation of $375,000 for group of water users, such as an irrigation district or a water users' the Kittitas unit carry no fewer than 10 new limitations as to association. This is construed as applicable either to districts or con truction and repayment contracts. water users' associations having contracts with the United States It may be wholly impossible for the district to comply with for direct payment of water charges-, which in turn are collected by some of the provisions. the district or association from the individual water users, or those On further consideration probably no committee would re­ districts and associations having contracts with the United States quire that a private land sale be approved by the Secretary of executed in thl! preliminary stages for refund of project investments the Interior. in general terms and with whose shareholders the United States has The provision for the payment of interest is wholly out of subsequently executed water-right applications or contracts now in accord with the theory of our reclamation law, under which force and upon which collections are made by the' United States we have been operating for 22 years. directly from such individuals. In such cases the necessity for re­ For ·economical construction instead of $375,000 the bill lief to be granted in the aggregate may be made to appear by indi­ should carry at least a million dollars. On that basis it 'Vill. vidual shoWings, made in manner and form satisfactory to the Sec­ require 10 years to construct and settle the project. retary of the Interior, of the general financial and economic condi­ I want every reasonable and proper safeguard thrown tions in the area involved. Applications so made wm be handled around these appropriation , so there may be not the slightest in the same manner as those by individuals, except as to the action que tion as to l'epayment. but beyond that we should not thereon by the board ot directors of the district or assodatfon, which hamper and restrict a legitimate land-development project. in such cases will be unnecessary. The Clerk read as follows: The act requires that applications under section 2 must be filed To enable the Secretary of too Interior to m~t the requirements of on or before January 1, 1925, and must be passed upon by the Secre­ Article VI of the treaty of January 11, 1909 (36 Stat. L. p. 2448), tary of the Interior on or before March 1, 1925. Applications made between the United States and Great Britain tor gauging the streams under this section should be passed upon promptly by the chief clerk, and determining the water supply of the northern or eastern tribu­ the association or Irrigation district, and the Director of Finance, taries of Milk River, 1\lont., Including personal services in the District and all papers transmitted to the commissioner, whose action upon of Columbia and elsewhere; the purchase,. exchange, hire, maintenance, them will be taken in sufficient time to allow consideration by the repair, and operation of motor-propelled or horse-drawn passenger­ Secretary of the Interior before March 1, 1925. (P. N. 81>29.) carrying vehicles, $10,000, to be expended under and In accordance The Clerk read follows: with the provisions of the aC't or June 17, 1902 (32 Stat. L. p. 388), as and amendatory or supplementary acts. For investigations as to the causes of mine e;x:plosionf!, methods of Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, in the last session the Con­ mining, especially tn relation to the safety of miners, the appliances gress passed a relief act with reference to reclamation, giving best adapted to prevent accidents, the possible improvement of condi­ authority to the department to grant certain extensions. The tions under which mining operations are carried on, th~ use ot ex­ immediate authority was a blanket authority, but beyond that plosives and electricity, the prevention of accidents, and other inquiries­ a di cretion was gi"ven the department, and I hold a memo­ and technologic lnveetlgatlons pertinent to the mining industry, in.: all rantlum, just given out by the department ye~terday, out­ eluding equipment, supplies, and expenses of travel and subsistence,. lining, in brief form, the ru1e ~ obtaining in this matter, and I $400,000, of which amount not to exceed $58,000 may be eXpe-nded for a k unanimous con. ent to extend my remarks by inserting personal services in the· District of Columbia. this statement. Mr. TAYLOR of West Virginia. Mr. Chairman and gentle- The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Michigan asks men of the committee, I move to strike out the last word. . unanimous consent to extend his remarks in the manner indi­ When the Interior Department appropriation bill was before cated. Is there objection? the House last January I o1fered an amendment to that part There was no objection. of the bill pertaining to the Bureau of Mines which would· The matter referred to follows: have given the bureau the sum of $400,000 for the investigation DEPART.\IE:!llT OF THE INTERIOR., of mine explosions and other mining accidents, looking to the Decem-ber 5, ~. safety of the many miners who are engaged in this very useful __: Regulations designed to cover the deferment of dates on payments yet hazardous occupation throughout the country. · __ of charges, rentals, and lX'na.lties due from water users on Federal My amendment at that time was defeated by a small vote. reclamation projects contained in the second aection of the relief I am pleased to note that the present bill carries an appropria­ act passed by Congress May 0, 1924, were announced to-day by the tion of $400,000, which is an increase of $40,232 over the Commissioner ot Reclamation with the approval of the Secretary of appropriation of last year. the Interior. A summary of the regulations follows: Loss of life among the men engaged in the bituminous mines Every water use1· desiring an extension under section 2 must file ot the country is appalling. Last year I called attention to the a written application therefor in the office of the project chief clerk. fact that in a series of eight mine explosions, embracing as The application must be filed on or before January 1, 1925, and many States where bituminous coal is produced, 362 brave men must state: had met death through this one cause alone. FUTther investi­ (a) The kind of charges due; that is, whether tor construction, gation discloses the startling fact that for the year 1922 operation and maintenance, or water rental: explosions in five States claimed the lives of 268 men. In the (b) Whether extension has been granted or applied for under sec­ year 1923 a total of 286 miners were killed in a series of seven tion 1; explosions embracing five bituminous CQal producing States. (c) That payment can not be made as required by section 1 (an Of those killed in 1923, 37 were in my State and 27 in my affirmative showing to this effect is nece sary under the act) ; district. (d) For what extension under section 2 application is made~ that Figures for the current year are available only to June 30,' is, whether the charges are to be spread equally o;er the remaJ..ning yet they show that for that short period 375 miners have been 232 CONGRESSION1\L n .ECORD-HOUSE· DECEl\IBER 6

killed in mine explosions, 119 being killed in one explosion in try why has the committee permitted the Bureau of Mines to ,

my State. thus expend the money without authority of law, and then put I Inve tigation by the Bureau of Mines as to the cause of this unlimited paragraph in thi bill furnishing them an excm;e · these mine explosions shows that of the 25 explosions occurring for continuing the practice. 21 were propagated by coal dust. A total of 2,403 men were at I hold in my hand quite a .large printed pamphlet, headed l work in the mines affected, and 929 were killed and 119 wer~ "Department of Interior, Bureau of Mines, Pitt burgh Experi- 1 more or less seriously injured. During the same period of mental Station." Then the subject of it is, "List of motion­ time 12 accidents due to the explosion of gas claimed 92 llves picture films and plan of distribution." It is dated February, 1 in the anthracite mines. In an effort to reduce to a minimum 1924. It contains a tremendous list of motion-picture films ' these frightful disasters, which take their toll of life and that this Bm·eau of :;\lines has had made, partly at least, with ' property, the bureau has issued a bulletin on " Stone dusting the public money and which at public expense it has been dis­ or rock dusting to prevent coal-dust explosions, as practiced tributing over the country. Do they advertise private busi· in Great Britain and France." In behalf of the safety of the nesses? Do they advertise products of individuals and cor-' miners who work in my State I secured more than 400 of tlleso porations? Let us see if they do. Look in this bureau pam­ bulletins and sent one to each coal company in my eli trict and phlet at No. 77. fl few to other sections in hopes that something might be done The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Texas to le sen the lo s of life and the great destruction of mine has expired. property. . Mr. BLANTON. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent It must not be presumed that mine explosions are the sole for five minutes more. cause of loss of life in our bituminous mines. During the The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? year 1923 a total of 900 deaths were caused by falls of roof There was no objection. nnd coal, 1,350 by haulage accidents, 1,550 by explosives, as :Mr. BL.A..t..~TON. Look at :No. 77, page 6, of this pamphlet. many by electricity, and everal hundred in other ways. I It says: fPel that the Bureau of Mines is to be commended for its svlendi

business of any individual; but ,..it is an entirely different res adjudicata, and the gentleman has done that, and I think' thing if the funds of an individual are used by the Government very properly. Evidently my friend from Texas has not heard for the purpose of developing industry and making safer from the election. The people have pa sed on all this. Why, human life, and so forth. The Bureau of Mines, in its report the peop1e said, " Certainly, go on and give Sinclair the oil for 1924, speaking of motion-picture films, say: reserves," and I am really surprised at the moderation of A lengthy series of striking educational motion-picture films, de­ the committee. They should ha\e inserted a provision in picting the mining, preparation, and utilization of the various min­ their bill that would require the Go\ernment to pay all of eral materials, is made more readily available to the public by a these expenses. It is an imposition upon private business to new system of distribution through State or sectional centers. expect them to pay for these films, and I am somewhat sm·· 'l'he films relate to coal, petroleum, sulphur, iron, asbestos, zinc, prised at both of the gentlemen. They ought to bring in a marble, copper, natural gas, and other minerals. Such industrial bill here that would be in keeping with the verdict of the processes as the manufacture of oxygen, the making of fire-clay re­ people at the polls. I am an old-fashioned Democrat. I do fractories, the manufacture of automobiles, the methods of com­ not believe in the Government useles ly interfering with pri~ pressing air, and the . quarrying of limestone are vividly shown. vate business. I believe in the Government helping pl'ivate Other films illustrate dangerous and safe practices in mining, effi­ business, and I am shocked at the position of both gentlemen. ciency in the combustion of coal, the utilization of water powelJ I really wish I had the time and the ingenuity and could pre· and the operation of a gasoline motor. During the fiscal year about pare a proper amendment that would interpret the will of the 100 additional copies of motion-picture films were added to the people as expressed by the election, all through this bill, and bureau's library. The bureau now has over 500 copies in circula­ require the Bureau of Mines and the Department of the Interior tion, valued at over $1,000,000. These were produced at very small to tm·n over anything that may be left to these gentlemen cost to the Government, the total expense of producing' and making with which to make moving pictures and do anything else, the copies being borne by the industries filmed. Copies of these ad libitum, at Government expense. films may be obtained for exhibition purposes from the Bureau of Why, think of it, gentlemen! The chairman of this com· Mines, Pittsburgh, Pa., or from 30 State distributing centers. mittee has disclosed that this hard-hea1·ted Government has actually made Sinclair pay the expenses of malting films, which There is nothing before us except that -statement to the is a damnable imposition upon private business, accord.ing to effect that for the purpose of showing safe and dangerous Republican view, and it ought not to be permitted by a right· methods of mining and carrying on of industry these films eous Congress. Oh, gentlemen, gentlemen, why quibble about are prepared solely for the purpose of safeguarding life. the~e things. Seriously for a moment. I do not like the re· They have the cooperation of private interests. So, instead of striction in the preceding paragraph. We fail to appreCiate an appropriation being used for the purpose of advertising the men of science who, unknown to fame in this country, dig individuals, individuals have furnished the money for the and dig in these governmental departments and bring about purpose of safeguarding life. The gentleman's amendment gTeat improvements. [.Applause.] Improvements in the mak· would not accomplish the pm·pose that he wants· to accom­ ing of fertilizer, in safely appliances, in the oil industry, in plish, because it touches only one item .in the bill, and there the mining industry, ana everything of the kind. The few are many others, and out of this particular item I doubt if paltry dollars which the taxpayers pay for these experiments a penny would be used for the malting of films. It is easy, bring many, many returns by way of health, happine!;s, and of course, to get up here and talk about Sinclair and the prosperity of the Amerkan people. [Applause.] I would be Teapot Dome and things of that kincl which a few months willing to spend more money on experimentations and throw ago were thought to be advantageous politically, but which did· the results open to the public. You want private business to not prove to be so advantageous as some thought; but we have the benefit of the knowledge of public experiment in re­ ought not to make up an appropriation bill guided by these gard to improved methods, of methods in regard to mine safety, appeals to prejudice in respect to a particular name. We' methods which will decrease the cost of production and bring want to lool\ to the real purpose and result, and if the use about a higher and better state of chilization in this country, of those films is to secure greater sH_ety in industry, tl1en I which is · a legitimate ex:penditure. .And so, why quibble say that the individuals who contribute to make possible about the clifference between tweedledum and tweedledee. an activity that the Government does not finance' should be What is the cost of securing a film if it brings about a safer given credit therefor rather than condemned. condition in the oil and mining industry and makes it safer Mr. BLANTON. -1\Ir. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? for the men who toil? - l\lr. CRAl\l'l'ON. Yes. . l\Ir. CRAMTON. Will the gentleman jield? Mr. BLANTON. I suppose that if the Pierce Arrow Auto- Mr. WINGO. I will. mobile Co.-- '· Mr. CRAMTON. I heartily indorse the last half-- Mr. CRAMTON. Oh, why not make it a Ford? · That is 1\fr. WINGO. Indorse tlie first half, because I commended more popular in Michigan. the gentleman in the first half. l\Ir. BLANTON. Or the Ford people-any of them-should l\Ir. CRAMTON. I desire the gentleman to understand see fit for advertising purposes to pay for the films-- that the limitation in the former paragraph prevents giving Mr. CRAMTON. They ~ould not get a_nywhere with the to all industries the result of their investigation. Its IJenefit!$ Bureau of Mine's. of investigation do go to all industries without restriction. Of Mr. BLANTON. That the gentleman would be willing to course, the line referretl to does prevent ·theil· taking up an have the Department of the Interior disseminate them over investigation which is for the personal benefit of one party. the United States? Mr. WINGO. I want to call the attention of the gentleman Mr. CRAMTON. I fear it is hopeless to enlighten the gen- to this, and I am not suring this now critically. I have had a tleman on the subject. · little experience with one of the btueaus of this Government, 1\11·. BLANTON. Not on that subject in the way in which . the Bureau of Standards. I have been somewhat alarmed at the gentleman is attempting to do it. the absolute waste as well as the jeopardizing of life in the Mr. CRAMTON. - I do not yield further. My statement is flimsy construction in private residences and ordinary build­ clear, that this should not be permitted, and is not permitted, ings. But in the.course of my casual study of this question I ·guarantee, for the purpose- of advertising individuals, but it ran into the hollow-brick proposition, and I called upon the should be permitted, has been and would be, notwithstanding Bureau of Standards in reference to their conduct of tests. the gentleman's amendment, to use private fundf? to produce Some time beginning in 1923, I think it was, or maybe a lit· turns to safeguard industry. tie earlier, I was told they bad not completed those tests, but The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Michi­ they would let me know. I waited to see how long it would gan has expired. The question is ·on the amendment offered take before they would let me know, and finally the depart­ by the gentleman from Texas. ment advised me that some time in 1923 the gentleman con· l\Ir. WINGO. ' Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the last nected with this matter had delivered an address to a certain word. :I have enjoyed this colloquy betWeen the gentleman group and it could be found in a certain magazine under a from Texas [Mr. BLANTON] and the· gentleman from Michigan certain date in 1.923. [Mr. CRAMTON], the chairm·an of the subcommittee in charge The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman has expired. of the bilL My judgment of the astuteness of the gentleman Mr. WINGO. I ask permission to speak for five minutes. from Michigan was verified by the defense that he iri.terposed. The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection'? [After a pause.] The "When my fi·iend from Texas ·made his onsla.ught about the Chair hears none. matter, I told, privately, one meinber of the coinmittee that Mr. WINGO. I could not get hold of the magazine in the the only defense that the gentleman from Michigan could Library,- but wrote them commending tbeir great speed in in­ ·m·ake woul!l" be the obvious one, namely, that -he would plea4 forming me about their work, which took nearly · two years,

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234 CONGRESSIONAL· RECORD-HOUSE advl ·ing me to refer to a private address. - First they said they The question was taken. and the Chairman announced that had n"Ot released their report because they had not reached an the noes seemed to have it. agreement about the report on this ideal brick. I protested 1\Ir. BLANTON. Mr. Chairman, I ask for a division. again t that, but they came back with the response that was The CHAIRMAN. A division is demanded. a very proper one to have been made, and that is that they had The committee divided; and there were--ayes 5', noes 34. found that the tests were not fairly conducted, and they were So the amendment was rejected. prQceeding to have another test ; but the apparatus were not The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will read. ready then but later on they would be. The point I want to make The Clerk read as follows: is this : They are doing a great work,. and when the different Glacier National Park, Mont. : For administration, protection, bureaus of the Government, with their experts, do dig into these and maintenance, including necessary repairs to the ronds from things that decrease the risks in the different industries of the Glacier Park Station through the Blackfeet Indian Reservation to country and will bring about improvements in construction of various points in the boundary line of the Glacier National Park and buildings, and in doing all of these different things, my the international boundary, including not exceedin.g $3,400 !or the onli protest is that we do not give enough. My only protest is purchase, maintenance, operation, and repair of horse-drawn and that they do not broadcast it enough; they do not help privata motor-driven passenger-carrying vehicles for the use of the superin­ busine s enough. Let us help the Government do something tendent and employees in connection with general park work, con tructive, to build up and aid, and stop snooping around $160,960 ; for construction of ,physical improvements, $24,000, includ­ trying to restrict and hamsb.·ing everything that the people want ing not exceeding 9,500 for the construction of buildings, of which to do. not exceeding $2,.500 shall be available for a ranger station and $4,000 - Mr. BLANTON. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the for a garage and shop at' Belton headquarters; in all, 1.84,960. pro forma motion of the gentleman. I started out by stating that I have no objection whatever to the dissemination of Mr. McKEOWN rose. proper information by the Government that is of value to the 1\Ir. OLDFIELD. Mr. Chairman, where is the Clerk read- business world. I raised no que tion about that. My amend­ ing? . ment seek merely to prevent private business from using the The CHAIRMAN. Line 19, page 91. funds of the people to advertise itself through the departments Mr. OLDFIELD. Very well. I wanted to ask a question. of the Government. Mr. MoKEO\VN. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the Now, I hold in my hand a copy of the CoNGRESSIONAL RECORD last wo1·d. for J.anuary 7, 1922. There, in another body, a distinguis:Qed The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Oklahoma moves official of the Government called attention tu the fact that cer­ to strike out the last word. tain newspapers reported that the motion-picture world had Mr. McKEOWN. 1\Ir. Chairman, I want to call the atten­ offered a Cabinet officer, the Postmaster General, $1.50,000 a tion of this Hou e to the appropriations under the Bureau of year salary to take charge of their organization and conduct its Mines. I am not going to talk about parks at this time. I policy; and he then predicated as an affair affecting the inter­ want to give you my idea about this Bureau of Mines, the ests of the country, that that great influence for which· 150,000 maintenance of the Bureau of :Mine , and the expenditure of a year was to be paid might be powerful enough to come in and money for the conse1·vation and preservation of the mineral use certain bureaus of the Go\ernment for the benefit of pri­ resources of this country; and I want to tell you what I think vate industry, fQr the benefit of private advertising, if you is the proper method by which to secure the money to preserve please, to the injury of the public. and conserve the mineral wealth of this country without Let me read jUBt a line or two. He said: burdening the taxpayers by direct taxation. We import into this country millions of barrels of crude oil. Mr. President, one of. the most powerful influences in America is We ought to secure revenue on the importation of that oil, the motion-picture industry. I do not• know how many billions of and set that sum aside as a sum to be used in the conservation dollars are now invested in it, but ti..Je sum is very large. Hundreds of the oil, the gas, and the other mineral resources of the of thousands of men. and women are employed on it. It touches every Nation. part of the United State · and its intluence is second only to the Now, if what the oil e.xp rts of the country tell us is true in pre ~ s. It hilS grown by leaps and bounds. Persons have entered reference to our oil supplies, the United States will not have tn.to it, at first ma~ only small salaries, who now receive, in some any oil beyond 12 years at the present rate of production, con­ instances, hundreds· of thousands of dollars a year. It is a popular sumption, and exploitation of crude oil. If that is true, the industry. Old men and old women attend "the movies" in order that United States will be in a very bad condition at the end of 12 they may be inspired and amused. Young children go, so that they years. I think we are wasting our mineral resources in this may not only be amused but educated in current events. country, and I think that there should be levied upon oil that When, before that date, I will ask you, did the Bureau of is imported into this country a tax of at least 25 cents a barrel, Mines ever spend any of the money of the people making films to be set a ide and used exclusively by the Government in dis­ that advertise the pri\ate busines es of corporations and indi­ covering methods of production and in teaching and educating viduals? The gentleman from Michigan [1\fr. CBA.MTON] can the people of the United States upon the question of the pre.~er­ not tell of one. He will :find throughout this bill that of this vation of our mineral re ources. I want to tell you now $238,000,000 that is turned over to the Secretary of the In­ that you could not spend money to better advantage than in terior, private busines es are using many millions of it for conserving the oil, the gas, and the other mineral resources conducting re earch work that they themselve ought to con­ that are being wasted, and the best way to get the money is duct. I have no objection to the Government making such to get it on the importation of crude oil into this country, and researches as will benefit the whole people alike. I have no then you will not have to lay taxes on the shoulders of the tax­ objection to the Government giving the results of its investi­ payers, and you will have a large sum of money and a sufficient gations to the public as general knowledge. But it has no sum of money to conserve the oil and gas and other minerals business spending the people's money along selfish lines that of the Nation. benefit only one corporation or two, or that benefit only one . The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Okla­ inflividual or a few of them at best. homa has expired. - I want to say that this is a serious question that I have Mr. McKEOWN. lli. Chairman, I ask for three minutes presented here in my amendment. The gentleman from Michi­ more. gan [1\fr. CRAMTON] can not pass it off with a wave of his The· CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? hand. I know that his committee of 35 will back him up, There was no objection. and my amendment will be defeated, and the Secretary of the 1\I.r. McKEOWN. Now, gentlemen, this is an important mat­ Interior will continue to spend this money as it has been spent ter. You may say that because I take this position I take a in the last two or three years. I am trying to stop it. If my position inconsistent with tlie poiic~es of the party with which amendment had been presented in the committee by a commit­ I affiliate; but my position is not inconsistent with the posi­ teeman and the committee had brought it out, it would pass. tion of my party, because I propose that we take this money But because, forsooth, some other of the 400 Members of Con­ and use it in saving to the people of this country the great gress who have not the privilege of sitting on that exclusive natural resources-that we have here. committee of 35 offers a good amendment from the :floor it It has been but a short time-it has not been 30 days-since must be killed, because the committee did not think about it one of the greatest oil authorities in this country made a first. But I have done my' duty in opposing it. speech-and I think he knows what he is talking about-in The OIIAIRMAN (Mr. TINCHER). Without objection, the which he stated that at the present time and at the pre ent pro forma amendment will be withdrawn. The question is rate of exploitation of the crude oil in this country we would on agreeing to the amendment offered by the gentleman from be without oil in 12 years. Just think what that means to Texas [Mr. BLANTON], . this country. There ought to be some method by which we 1924 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 235: could regulate the exploitation of oil There ought to be some a very precipitous trail, as steep as could be negotiated. That method by which we could educate our people in the use of trail belongs to the county of Coconino, in which it is sit­ oil products so as to save thousands upon thousands of barrels uated. It ir a toll trail. One dollar is charged for each ani­ of oil that go to waste. [Applause]. mal makin1 use of the trail, and there is a net revenue of The CHAIR:MA.l~. The time of the gentleman from Okla­ some $4,00( or $5,000 a year to the county. The county hav­ homa bas again expired. ing manife ted a desire to dispose of the trail to the Govern­ The Clerk read as follows: ment and ! sort of understanding having been agreed upon Grand Canyon National Park, Ariz. : For administration, protection, with the oi_ icials of the county, the board of supervisors, an and maintenance, including not exceeding $1,500 for the purchase, appropriatio . was carried in thls bill last year of $100,000, maintenance, operation, and r epair of motor-driven passenger-carrying in very broad terms, available for the building of roads and vehicles for the use of the superintendent and employees in connection trails in the park, with the proviso that it could be used with genervJ park work, $100,860; for construction ot physical im­ for the purchase of the Bright Angel Trail from the county provements, $91,500; including not exceeding $10,300 for the construc­ on terms acceptable to the Secretary of the Interior, and fur­ tion of buildings, of which not exceeding $3,000 shall be available for ther providing that it could also be used in the improvement the construction of a ranger station on the north rim; not exceeding of the approach road outside of the park, leading from the $72,000 for the construction of a comprehensive sewage-disposal system Sante Fe Trail to the canyon, about 60 miles. The present at administrative headquarters on the south rim; in all, $192,360. automobile road is almost impassable at seasons of the year; so that those who travel by autos desiring to visit the canyon Mr. OLDFIELD. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the haw~ had great difficulty at times. last word for the purpose of asking the gentleman from Michi­ The preliminary understanding that bad been arrived at gan [Mr. CRAMTON] a question with regard to the Grand with the board of supervisors was to the effect that Congress Canyon National Park in Arizona. I have in my band the would appropriate $100,000, to be spent upon the improvement bearings held on this bill, and on page 613 of those hearings I of that approach road, when the county would deed that trail find a very lengthy letter from Attorney General Stone to Mr. over to us, the county not having funds available for the CRAMTON wi.th regard to certain cases which have been filed improvement of the trail. It was something of an inducement in the Federal courts of Arizona instituted against RALPH H. to them to have a road in their county leading to this great CAMERON and others, with regard to some of the lands, trails, park improved at Government expense, with the probability and so forth, in this park. It seems from the letter of the of other appropriations to follow. The appropriation was made Attorney General that he bas done everything in his power to in the terms I have stated. There was some discussion about get action on the matters pe,rtaining to these suits. This letter it acti\ely down in that region and because of influences which is dated November 21 of this year, and almost the entire year may be imagined, a referendum being taken, the people of is covered by the letter. I would like to know from the chair­ that county voted against the sale and that verdict of the man of the subcommittee [Mr. CRAMTON] whether these cases people having been rendered bas been accepted by the de­ have been terminated and settled and whether the lands, min­ partment as disposing of that matter of sale of the trail, and ing claims, and so forth, are in the possession of the Govern­ the department is proceeding with the construction of a trail. ment and whether CAMERON and his associates are out of this That is the only toll road or trail in any national park. park.' It appears from the letter that the caretaker under It is not the most desirable trail that can be constructed ; Mr. CAMERON prevented the Government, or tried to prevent a portion of it is for long periods out of the rays of the sun this Government, from cleaning up the premises at Indian where it is likely to be slippery, even ice occasionally form­ Gardens. The Government's experts found that the water ing there. At Yaki Point orders have now been given and I was impure and that tourists were drinking this impure water, think, perhaps, the work may be under way for the construc­ probably impregnated with typhoid germs. I also read in this tion of a trail ~eading from Yaki Point down into the canyon letter where they discovered a distillery or something of that on to Tonto plateau and finally down to the river and up on kind there, and I just want to know why it is the Government the north rim, all of which can be done for from $50,000 to has had so much trouble in this matter. It seems that at one $60,000 or $75,000. This will make available a trail on which time the courts continued these cases time after time without no toll will be charged and a safer trail to travel. That is the consulting the district attorney. I am wondering whether the situation as to the trail. same district attorney who was handling this case back in There were three reasons why this arrangement with the April and August is the· present district attorney, and what county fot< the purchase of the trail was sought. First, to bas been done with this case. It seems from the letter of the remove the necessity for paying toll to get down into the Attorney General-and I have no doubt he has done every­ canyon. thing he can do, and I am not criticizing him at all-that The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Michigan somebody is entitled to just criticism with regard to this bas again expired. _ matter. I should like to have the gentleman from Michigan 1\fr. CRAMTON. I will ask, Mr. Chairman, unanimous con­ explain it to me. sent to proceed for five minutes. Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, the course of the Attorney The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Michigan asks General in connection with these matters amply demonstrates unanimous consent to proceed for five additional minutes. Is that the present Attorney General of the United States, when there objection? [After a pause.] The Chair hears none. he has an official duty to perform, does not regard personal Mr. CRAMTON. This, of course, will be met with the con­ or political influence in any degree. He has handled these struction of this new trail, which will be used almost ex­ matters with great efficiency and without any fear whatever. clusively by the public. There were several aspects of this Grand Canyon situation The second was to keep on good terms with our neighbors which were discussed in the House somewhat last session, and and have an adjustment that would be satisfactory to the at the present time no further action by us is necessary. county. We met the county officials, and we made an agree­ The Grand Canyon is a great gash some 10 miles wide, the ment which we kept, but the people of the county have repudi­ level at the rim being approximately a mile above the level ated the agreement. We have gone as far as we can on that of the river. Much of it is taken up with formations of steep line, and we now go ahead with the view that this Is a rock-- national park to be developed for the benefit of the Nation --- The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Ar­ and not entirely restricted to the views of that county. kansas has expired. The third was to I'emove the ownership of that trail as a 1\fr. OLDFIELD. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent sort of prop under some badly wabbllng claims of one RALPH that I may have .five minutes more in order to get this in­ CAMERON. formation. One RALPH CAMERON bad filed a number of mining claims, The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Arkansas asks covering most of the strategic points in the canyon where any unanimous consent to proceed for .five additional minutes. Is trail would cross or where comfort stations could be erected ; there objection? [After a pause.] The Chair hears none. for instance, the spot known as Indian Gardens, possession vf Mr. CRAMTON. There are here and there places where which by CAMERON was at times justified by the claim that the trails can be constructed so as to make it possible to descend buildings there were on the trail and were permitted by lease from the rim into the canyon, and there are, more rarely, from the county, claims not true in fact. This is a place places where fresh water would be available and opportunities where some pure springs of water rise, some cottonwood trees for comfort stations and other things necessary for the public have grown, and is a delightful place for a stop and a little use of the region as a park. rest when you have made the descent from the rim. It is a The matter brought to the attention of the House last ses­ good place to eat your lunch, and so forth. The gentleman sion was the purchase of what is known as the ·Bright Angel from Oklahoma [Mr. CARTER] and I about a year and a half, Trail, leading from the rim nem· the hotel on the south rim, ago stopped there and drank the water from the stream below. · 236 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEl\IBER 6

We were not permitted to go to the springs above because of I want to emphasize the great possibilities of development of possession being held by caretakers in the name of RALPH this wonderful scenic region, hooking up the Grand Canyon 0AJ.£ERON. Since, it has developed the very water we drank with the Ka1bab National Forest, the Zion National Park, and at that time and the water that would be drunk by any the Bryce Canyon, so that those who tour Arizona and Utah visitors making the descent was filled with typhoid germs. will find a continuation of scenic wonders thnt can not be ex­ We got by, but it has not impressed us as a desirable facility celled if equaled by any other region in the world. to give the public in a national park. These typhoid germs got Mr. OLDFIELD. The gentleman thinks that the Govern­ into that water between the time it left the springs and the ment hlU! disposed of the Cameron claims, so that the Govern­ time it reached this point below Indian Gardens, as it passed ment can go ahead and beautify the canyon and have purer some old corrals and various remnants of the Cameron occu­ water? pation. Mr. CRAMTON. There is an appropriation 1n this bill of CAMERON had a number of mineral claims in the canyon $1,000 for cleaning up the Indian Gardens and making it ac­ that were passed upon adversely to him by the department, cessible for the use of the public. As I say, the whole park is and the Supreme Oourt of the United States in a case wherein at the present time in the bands of the Government. he was a party, in 1920, sustained the department and ruled Mr. OLDFIELD. Is the district attorney who was mentioned that the claims were not valid and that he had no right in still in office? tho e claims and should vacate them. That was in the spring Mr. CRAMTON. He resigned a little while ago. The At­ of 1920. torney General several months ago appointed Mr. Baxter, of Mr. OLDFIELD. Right there, have the orders of the Su­ Phoenix, as special attorney general to handle all of these preme Court been complied with, and have they been fully matters, and Mr. Baxter has done so very ably and efficientlY. obeyed? Mr. OLDFIELD. I thank the gentleman for his explana­ l\Ir. CRAMTON. Yes; but not nntil Attorney General tion. Stone's work this year. The Clerk read as follows : When we took these matters up last yea.r along the line of the appropriation I have mentioned we also called the whole Platt National Park, Okla.: For administration, protection, mainte­ matter to the attention of the Secretary of Interior and the nance, and improvement, $11,920. Attorney General with a view to having the decree of 1920 Mr. SWANK. Mr. Chairman, I offer the following amend­ carried out; Secreta.zy Work and Attorney General Daugherty ment. first and later Attorney General Stone have followed up that The Clerk read as follows: litigation. There.are various angles to that. As to the claims that were _passed qpon in 1920, the corre­ Page 94, line 19, after the sum of $16,920, insert a semicolon and the following: "For auto camps, including comfort stations, $6,000 ; s_pondence that the gentleman from Arkansas [Mr. OLDFIELD] in all, $17,920." refers to ls very interesting and worthy the study of anyone who wants to see how far some men sometimes will seek to go PLA'IT NATIONAL PABK, SULPHUR, MURRAY COUNTY, OKirA.. ln using official influence against the public welfare. Mr. SWANK. l\fr. Chairman and gentlemen of the commit­ The CHAIRMAN (Mr. SANDERS of Indiana). The time of tee, I am before you agn.in asking for an additional appropria­ the gentleman from Michigan .has again expired. tion for Platt National Park. Since coming to Congress I have Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent appeared before the Subcommittee on Appropriations for the to speak for five additional minutes. Interior Department, talked and argued with the National Park The CHAIRMAN. The genUeman from .Michigan asks Service, presented the needs of the park to members of the unanimous consent to proceed for five additional minutes. Is committee, and have gone before officials of the Bureau of the there objection? [After a panse.] The Chair hears none. Budget trying my best to obtain a suitable and proper appro­ Mr. CRAMTON. The Attorney General before Judge Jacobs priation for improvements in this park. For the fi. cal year recei"ted most extraordinary treatment, to say the least, but 1924 the subcommittee recommended an appropriation of $10,000, later Judge Sawtelle at Phoenix entertained contempt pro­ which is an increase of $2,500 oYer the preceding year, and for peedings which resulted in Indian Gaxdens and the canyon the next fiscal year the subcommittee recommends $11,920 in being vacated by all outsiders, so that in September, for the the bill now under consideration. While I am glad to get an 1lrst time in its history, the Grand Canyon National Park was increase, this amount is wholly inadequate and too small for exclusively in the control of the United States and its repre­ the expansion of the park to meet the purposes for which it sentatives. was set aside. Last .session I offered an amendment to in­ Mr. OLDFIELD. And is now? crease the appropriation to $25,000, which amendment was ·lost Mr. CRAMTON. Yes; and is now. in the Committee of the Whole by nine votes. I prepared a Of course, when those representatives went in and took an like amendment to offer to this bill, and the chairman of the inventory of what they found at Indian Gardens, as set forth subcommittee, the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. OBAMTON], in the Attorney Generars lettero, they found raisin mash and very kindly said that he would not object to an increase in the other equipment that is more or less myaterious to me, but is sum of $6,000. This will bring the appropriation carried in said to have a meaning. this bill to the sum of $17,920, which amount is unobjected to There were other claims of R-UPH CAMERON and others, and by the National Park Service. I have therefore offered my in so far as the Department of Justice had any duty to per­ amendment to .increase the appropriation by 6,000. A mu<.:h form, they are perfo1·ming that duty and at an early date, no larger appropriation is greatly needed to improve and prepare doubt, we will get a final disposition of those cases. There the park fo-r the increased number of visitors who go there were some other claims that have not yet reached a point each year. A report by the superintendent of the park dated where the Attorney General can act. The platinum claims, September 30, 1924, states that the city of Sulphur, on account filed in violation of the law creating the park, are pending of the great need of more money, spent between $16,000 and before the General Land Office and are being expedited as $17,000 on the park for community buildings, comfort stations, much as the presence of appointees of a certain individual will and extending the sewer and water lines. The progressive and permit them to be expedited. They have been pending in the enterprising people of Sulphur and Murray County should not land office and when there is a decision they will come to the be required to spend their own money on this park, but Con­ department and we .are anticipating a final decision very gress should make sufficient appropriations for the proper main­ soon. tenance of Platt and our other pational parks. The citizens I will say that Governor Spry, head of the land office, and where the parks are located should not have to contribute to Secretary Work haYe taken great interest in bringing about a their upkeep, and this is the only park that I know of where final disposition of the matter, and when finally disposed of the citizens must pay to assist in its maintenance. the Cameron cases will have passed into history. With refer­ The usefulness of our parks, the purpose they serve, and tbe ence to the building of the roads, that is interesting and indi­ number of visitors should be the chief consideration and the cates how the Government has kept faith with the county. guiding purpose in making appropriations for their upkeep and Not only was there appropriated $100,000 but there was an improvement. Platt National Park was created by acts of Con­ estimate by the Interior Department of a second hundred thou­ gress of July 1, 1902, and April 21, ~904. It contains 848.31 sand dollars which had been approved of by the Budget and acres and is adjacent to the city of Sulphur, with its pl·ogres­ would have been included in this bill, but they were awaiting sive, intelligent, Christian, law-abiding citizenship, unsurpassed the election to which I have referred and which came in Sep­ by any other community in the com:ftry. These people always tember, and resulted as l have stated. The department was extend an honest, cordial welcome to visitors, and the hotel obliged to communicate the fact to the Budget, and the Budget accommodations are good, with moderate and reasonable struck that out. That accounts for there being no further ap­ charges. Excellent and convenient locations are reserved for propriation for the improvement of that approach Ioad. campers and no charges are made. 1924 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE

Mr. Cammerer, of the National Park Service, in bis state­ ·priv.a.te automobiles cnterltlfl the parks ment before the subcommittee, -page 639 of the hearings, Bald: ! Name of park 1922 1923 The park Is located in southern Oklahoma and adjoins the city of Sulphur. It contains many medicinal springs, which are said to have high curative value. Physical Improvements: Eleven miles ol road, ' Platt_·----·-···------···-•••••, •• _____ ------···--·-- 30,000 50,000 1 stone office building, 6 cottages and outbuildings, 2 community Yellowstone •• ·-·· __ ------·· •••• ---______••• ··--___ _ 18,253 27,359 Yosemite------·------19,583 27,233 buildings, 9 cement comfort stations, pavllians over 5 springs, 2 1\!ount Ranier______------·------17,H9 27,655 bridges, and 6 causeways, and public camp gTounds having sewer and Rocky Mountain.. -····------·-···-··--·-·-··------···----- 52,112 51,800 Grand Canyon ___ •••••••••••••• -----····-______--·· ____ _ 7, 890 11,731 water systems and electricity for lights. Lafayette•. _. __ ••• _.---___ ------______------. ___ _ 8,650 s; 600 In the report of the National Park Service for 1922 the superintendent of this park stated: Vi.!Jitors in ot1ter parks During the Jlast year the city of Sulphur, realizing the deplorable condition of the park and desirtng to be a. benefit to the many people Name of-park 1920 1921 1922 1923 1924 coming here, built and paid for two fine community buildings, one at ------1------the Bromide camp grounds and one at the Cold Springs camp gTounds. Sequoia_-···-···--·-··········-Crater Lake______31.,508 28,263 27,514 30,158 34,4M They dug sewer lines to each, installed three new comfort stations and Mesa Verde ______20,135 28,617 33, 016 52,017 64,312 repaired another, brought water to both these camp grounds in suffi­ 2,890 3,003 4, 251 5,236 7,109 GlacierGeneral ___ Grant ----______------__ ••• _ 22,«9 19,736 23,935 33,988 33,382 cient quantities for all purposes, and then, on top of this, they had 19,661 30,312 50,456 46,230 35,020 electric wires put up that the campers might have lights. The city of Zion _____ •••••• __ ----••• -----.- 3,692 2, 937 4, 109 6, 408 8,400 Sulphur spent between $13,000 and $16,000 to help Platt National Park. Approp1·iatio-ns for other parks The report of the Director of the National Park Service for 1922, on page 66, states : Name of park 1921 1922 1923 1924 1925 During the year the city of Sulphur, which adjoins Platt National Park, donated between $13,000 and $16,000 for park improvements. Sequoia __ ------··------___ $36,000 $86,000 $78,000 $120,000 $136,000 • • .. This excellent cooperation on the part of the city of Sul­ CraterMesa Verde Laka..·------______25,300 25,300 32,000 35,000 30,700 14,000 16,400 42,5(X) phur was appreciated both by the visitors and this service. It is 43,000 35,000 GlacierGeneral ___ Grant ------·-··------______107,564 195,000 178,700 225,000 281,000 estimated that 246,998 visitors in all entered the park gates. .As many 5,300 6,000 6, 500 50,000 14.175 of 'them undoubtedly repeated their visits· from day to day, 70,000 indi­ Zion __ ------···-·--·--·--·---- 8,885 10,000 10,000 13, 7M 15,190 viduals is considered a fair estimate of the travel. The park is a focal point for motor travel from all the Southern States west of the In determining the value of a national park we must con Mississippi. During the season the campers held several big meetings sider the number of its visitors. Figures taken from the report and community camp fires and organized a Platt Park Club with over of the superintendent of Platt National Park show the follow 100 vice presidents in different States. The aim of the club is to tell ing visitors and campers : others of the benefits to be derived from the health-giving waters of Visitors for past s:lx years : the park and to se~ that 1t has financial help to properly maintain 1t and for needed improvements. The wild anim·als maintained under 1~1~-=-::=:=.-:.-:_:_::.-:_-:_-:_:-:.:-:.-:.::-:.::::·~... =:=-=-=------=--=.~_::-:-:_-_ ~~~: glg fence in the park were added to-a fine bull elk from Yellowstone was 192L------~------216,022 received, four fawns were added to the deer herd, and a baby buffalo 1922------~------1923 ______246,098470,84:1 was born in the park. The park roads are especially In need of iin­ 19.24------630,495 provement, and adequate appropriations should be made to bring them Campers for past six years : up to a standard worthy of a national park. 1919------689 1920------2,981 On page 78 of the report of the Director of the Nation-al 1921------10,526 Park Service for 1923 is this statement : 1922------23,170 1928------1924 ______74,95,277 589 During the year the city of Sulphur, which adjoins Platt National Park, continued its cooperation in every way possible in helping These figures show the wonde1·ful growth of this park and the park serve the thousands of visitors. 'Records show that 470,841 the great increase in the number of visitors for the past six people entered the park gates, but, as many of them undoubt­ years. The visitors have increased from 107,918 in 1919 to edly repeated their visits from day to day, 117,710 individuals is 539,495 in 1924. The campers in the park have increased from considered a fair estimate of the travel The park is a focal point 689 in 1919 to 95,277 in 1924. I believe that there is no other for motor travel from all the Southern States west of the Missis­ park in the country that will show such an increase in visitors sippi, and its popularity as a health and pleasure resort is increasing and campers. The report of the director for 1923 shows that yearly. Little in the way of extensive improvements has been made, 50,000 private automobiles entered the park that year, -and and to properly care for the increasing patronage there Js needed that number was excelled only by Rocky Mountain Park with larger annual appropriations for the extension of camp grounds, sewer, 51,800 automobiles. This report shows 312 fewer automobiles water, and light systems, and for general sanitation. The park 1·oads entering Rocky Mountain Park in 1923 than in 1922, while the were not constructed for automobile -traffic ; they are narrow and automobiles entering Platt National Park increased by 20,000 • need to be widened and resurfaced. during the same time. The superintendent of the park in his The I'eport of the Director of the National Park Service for report to the director shows 470,841 visitors in 1923 and 539,-±9.5 1923 and the hearings on this bill show the number of visitors visitors in 1924. The National Park Service in the bearings ln our leading parks, appropriations, and private automobiles fixes the number of visitors for these two years at 117,710 and entering the parks. 134,874, respectively. While it is true that visitors were some Visitors times counted more than once, it is also true that thousands of people who visited the park were never counted at all, as Kame of park 1920 1921 1922 1923 1924 they did not visit Bromide Springs, where visitors are coocked ------If those who visited the park and were never checked at Flatt ______------·_ 88,000 60,000 7.0,000 117,710 134,874 Bromide Sp1·ings were counted the report would show thou Yellowstone ______79,777 81,651 98,223 138,352 144,158 sands more visitors. Yosemite ___ ------66,906 91,513 100,506 130,046 105,894 The report of the Director of the Natiollill Park Service for MountRocky MountainRainler ------______56,491 55,771 70,371 123,708 161,473 240,966 273,737 219,164 218, ()()() 224,211 1923 says: Grand Canyon ______67,315 67,485 84,700 102, 166 108,256 66,500 69,836 73, Tl9 64,200 71,758 To properly .care for the .increased patronage there is needed larger Lafayette ___ ------annual appropriations .for the extension of camp grounds, sewer, water Approprkttiom and light systems, and for general sanitation. The report of the Secretary of the Interior for 1924 states Name of park 1921 1922 1923 1924 1925 Platt Park, which is open all year, was visited by 134,874 visitors ------last year, compared with 117,710 in 1923. On July 4 alone over 20,000 Platt______------·· ____ ---. $9,000 $7,500 $7,500 $10,000 $10,000 people visited the Bromide .Springs and drank of the medicinal waters Yellowstone ______------_____ 286,000 350,000 361,000 368,000 "'372, 800 The park is gaining in favor as a health and -pleasure resort. Yosemite ___ ------803,000 300,000 280,000 295,000 300,000 l\1ount Rainier------40,000 100,000 106,800 133,000 100,000 M1·. Chairman and gentlemen of the committee, this -park, like Rocky Mountain ______40,000 65,000 73,900 74,280 93,0'.)() Grand Canyon ______60,000 HlO,OOO 75,000 125,400 '216,000 our others, belongs to the ,Gov-ernment of the United States, is Lafayette___ ------20,000 25,000 25,000 3o,.ooo 34,700 a part of its property, and as such sho\lld be ·properly main tained by sufficient appropriations. The Legislature of Okla 1238 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEl\IBER 6

: homa appropriated some $269,000 for the erection of a hospital and is growing greater from year to year. While its chief 1 for soldiers of the ·world War, and after a thorough survey \alue is in restoring people to health, renewing the vigor of 1 made by prominent physicians located this hospital at Sulphur, youth, and giving its visitors a new lease on life with raore near this park. This location was made on account of the promising prospects for the future, it is also a place of great ' healthful surroundings, the environments, and the beneficial natural scenery and beauty, resting in the foothills of the results to be derived by the soldiers. This hospital was erected Arbuckle Mountains, overlooking the famous ·washita River. ' in 1922 with 80 beds, and included in the appropriation are Congress should make appropriations each year sufficient to 100,000 by the legislature of 1923 for the construction of addi- properly maintain this park with its wonderful future, to im­ 1 tiona! buildings for these soldiers. These additional buildings prove the roads, for the extension of sewer and water lines, i are now occupied with 48 more beds. This hospital is in for the erection of Government bathhouses, where people at j charge of competent physicians and surgeons, and is excel- small co t can bathe and be healed, and for the many needed lently equipped for treatment of the patients. I have visited improvements. The Government can not spend money to a I the hospital on many occasions, and always found it clean, the better advantage than to u e it in restoring people to health. officials courteous and kind, and everything in first-class condi­ The amount recommended is greatly inadequate, and I trust I tion. The superintendent under date of December .15, 1923, that the committee will adopt my amendment for a small ' said the first building was completed August 26, 1922, and was increase, which will be appreciated. filled to capacity March 1, 1923, with an a\erage of six to eight l\lr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, this park I have not had patlents refused each month thereafter. The superintendent an opportunity to visit, but I know something of its condition. state that the value of buildings and improvements is There has been a feeling on my part, and I think on the part $280,075.9:5, and the value of the equipment $62,000. The people of others heretofore, that its development should not proceed of Oklahoma, ever mindful for the welfare of our soldiers, very rapidly, due to the fact that there has been a tendency wanted a hospital for their care where they could be properly to mix politics with the administration of the park. I do not treated, in a healthful location, where the scenery is beautiful, think there is any branch of the Government service where , surrounded by Christian influences, and for the best location there is a higher morale obtaining than among the rangers selected Platt National Park, and this selection was wisely and the superintendents of the national parks. I have deplored made. Sulphur also has an excellent public-school system and any entering wedge of politics into tbat system. I tmderstand has the State School for the Deaf. • that that situation is being cleared up with reference to the Mr. Chairman, this park has more than 30 mineral springs, Platt Park, the only one where it has prevailed. Knowing is one of the most important parks in the United States, and something of the great increase of automobile campers in that will become one of the most noted health resorts in the whole park, the crowds that go there, the item the gentleman from world. In the quality and character of water these springs Oklahoma has presented is necessary, and, with these change

Its possibilities have already bee.Q called to the attention of Con­ The Clerk read as follows: gress. But the Federal Government must be shown more fully, and a Construction, etc., of roads and trails : For the construction, re­ concerted and continu<>us etiort made to secure the exploiting of the construction, and improvement of roads and tralls, inclusive of neces­ ca;ern on a big national scale. New Mexico can not handle it. It sary bridges, in the national parks and monuments under the juris­ will take tens of thousands of dollat·s just to light the cave. The task diction of the Department of the Interior, $1,500,000, being part of will be like lighting a city, only a thousand times more difficult, owing the sum authorized to be appropriated for the fiscal year 1925 by to the nature of the terrain. Tunneling into the cavern, building section 2 of the act approved April 9, 1924, of which amount not trails, exploring it, pr<>tecting it from vandalism, advertising it to the to exceed $6,000 may be expended for personal services in the Dis­ world-all this will entail exb·emely heavy expense. trict of Columbia: Pt·ovided, That the Secretary of the Interior may This cave bears the same relation to New Mexico as the Yellow­ also approve projects, incur obligntions, and enter into contracts for stone to Wyoming and Yo emite to California. It is our greatest additional work not exceeding a total of $1,000,000, and his action wonder and will bring people to see all the rest of our wonder.s. The in so doing shall be deemed a contractual obliga.tion of the Federal people of the State should unite, regardle s of location, in the task Government for the payment of the cost thereof, and appropriations of securing its proper development by the Federal Gns manner an item of $5,000 was put in for the construction of so created. this tunnel, which we were given to under tand at that time Mr. SIN~OTT. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the would accomplish the purpose. We made inquiry of l\Ir. Cam­ last word, and I do it for the purpose of interrogating the merer, and this is what he says: chairman. The act of April 9, 1924, authorized the appropria­ Mr. CAMMERER. That cave at present is being entered through an tion of $2,500,000 for the fiscal years ending June 30, 1924, old mining shaft. They mine guano in there. The company bas 1925, 1926, and 1927. At this time I am particularly interested taken thousands of tons of guano out, and you have to crawl over very in ex.--penditures prior to the fi cal year June 30, 1924, and precipitous inclines and around formations to get to the cave prop('r. this is my (luery: As· I understand it, the $2,500,000 has not '.fhe National Geographic Society has had its expert in there, and he been expended; now, will we lose that unexpended balance says that cave surpasses anything there is in the world. That $J 000 that we authorized to be appropriated for the fiscal year end­ was to begln the boring of an entrance to the cave. Well, we used ing June 30, 1924? about 1,000 of that for a sune_y. We wanted to find a pl:lce that wa · Mr. CRAMTON. The fi cal year 1924 did not have two and as clo e as possible to the <>utside, and we spent that $1,000 for that, a half million. The act provides two and a half million dol­ but we are not going to spend any more, because it will take, from our lars for the fiscal years 1924 and 1925, and two and a half mil­ estimates now, $18,000 to bore a tunnel. lion for the fiscal year 1926, and two and a half. million for the The total estimate for fixing up the cave o that the public could fiscal year 1927. Now, the fiscal year 1924 was about gone come in would be ~omething like $80,000, and, with our experience in when .that act passed, and the deficiency bill, expected to be­ the ·wind Cave, National Park, that seems fair, as we haye to be \ery come a law last June, carried $1,000,000 which was expected careful of the visitors' lives llere in such underground area . would be used during the past construction season. But the I have recently made an inspection of some of the Virginia C!l\es deficiency bill did not become a law until perhaps to-clay, so where indirect lighting is in and guard rails, and I would ;ery much that million dollars has not been used in that construction dislike to recommend to Director Mather that any cave be opened season. unless we have put ourselves in a position where we can give the The estimate was for one and one-half million dollars more in tourist assurance that his life i safe in going in and where they can this bill, which would be added to the million dollars in the see it as conveniently as possible. That devolves on us. deficiency bill ; and if this goes through as this bill provides, there will be a total of two and one-half million dollars avail­ Now, it seems to me the proper policy within the last few able for the fiscal year 1926 in terms, but in fact available for years, where economy is necessary and in connection with the construction season of 1925. That two and one-half million national forests, is to provide the absolutely necessary facilities dollars will be consumed in construction during this coming for the parks that now exist, such as we did a moment ago in construction season. reference to the Platt and elsewhere in the bill, where thou­ I had up the matter with the park service, because not only sands are coming in with automobiles and need places to camp, the gentleman's committee but my committee was committed and we have to provide them with water, with sanitation, and to the House to carry out the spirit of that act. I am advised so forth. Then as we cau expand ·we will get to the point by the Director of the National Park Service that the appro­ where we can open np new regions such as the gentleman from priation here proposed, in view of other assurances that I will New Mexico proposes. But it seems to me now to provide a refer to, is entirely satisfactory. In other words, an expedi­ tunnel for people to get into a place where they would be ture of two and one-half million dollars in this coming con­ unsafe and subject to accident after getting there would not struction season will pretty well meet their program. I was seem wise, and until we are ready to go ahead with the pro­ able to state to the Dil:ector of the National Park Service gram I hope the amendment of the gentleman will not pre·mil. that it was the feeling of our committee, and I thought such Mr. WATKINS. Will the gentleman yield? was the feeling of Congr·ess, and I also had good reason to Mr. CRAMTON. I will. believe that it was the attitude of the Budget, that this two ~Ir. WATKINS. Is this appropriation of $20,000 necessary and one-half milUon dollars for this construction season would for the park now? be followed by similar items for the next two construction Mr. CRAMTON. In order to get underground to the cave sea ons, so that in the calendar years 1925, 1926, and 1927 the it is necessary to build a tunnel. The gentleman spoke about seven and one-half million dollars would be expended with an both platforms in(lorsing it. . My mind has not associated the even appropriation of two and one-half million dollars each conventions and the national parks, except pe1·haps the "wind year. . cave," but they seem to have found time at New York and That carries the final expenditure and perhaps the final ap­ leveland to indorse, as the gentleman says, these caverns. propriation beyond the limit of time provided in the authoriza­ It is an underground cave and a tunnel is necessary to get tion, but that is absolutely immaterial. No authorization is into it and the time will come when it should be developed. necessary for an appropriation to build a road in a national But I think other needs are greater just now. park. Our committee has full jurisdiction as to the building Mr. WATKINS. Why the $500; is that for building? of a road in a park. The act which the gentleman carTied Mr. CRAMTON. That applies to all national monuments. through the House succe sfully was important as to com­ Mr. WATKINS. And it has nothing to do with the tunnel? mitting Congress to that program and as a command that our Mr. CRAMTON. No. Some monument may need the con- committee feel obliged to carry out. struction of a $500 building. The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Oregon .Mr. MORROW. The gentleman prol1ably misunderstood me has expired. as to the conventions. It was the State convention of each Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent lpnrty. I would like for the gentleman to understand with that the gentleman's time be extended five minutes, so that 1·eference to these caverns that there is ample running water, I can take two or three minutes of it. pure water. The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to the request of the The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman has expired. gentleman from Michigan? The question is on the amendment of the gentleman from There was no objection. New l\lexico. Mr. CRAMTON. In the report of the Appropriations Com­ The question was taken, and the amendment was rejected. mittee on this bill it is said: 192-± CONGRES~ION AL RECORD- HOUSE . It is the belief of the committee that the most effective and economi­ have no objection to that, although I voted to impeach her cal results will be secured by the use of that amount ($2,500,000) in husband when I was a member of the State senate. So it does each of the construction seasons in the next three years. not make any difference to me, if you will let me create this That seems to be the program to which everyone is com­ r oad, what you name it, but I will state to you gentlemen of mitted. the House that if it should be created you may call it the Mr. SINNOTT. The gentleman·s view as to their authority " Cramton Road " in honor of the chairman of this committee, coincides with mine. I have always believed that irrespective and I would feel honored if you did, because they have named of the act of April 9, 1924, the gentleman's committee had counties in Texas for Members of Congress, to which I have authority to make appropriations for roads and trails in the no objection. national parks, and I am glad to hear him publicly state Mr. CRAMTON. Will the gentleman yield? that on the floor, so that if the time limit expires and the 1\fr. HUDSPETH. Yes. fiscal year 1927 has passed by, then we may still expect l\Ir. CRAMTON. The gentleman does not suggest that be­ appropriations for this purpose. cause it runs to the Wind Cave? [Laughter.] 1\Ir. RAKER. l\lr. Chairman, mil the gentleman yield right Mr. HUDSPETH. No; I do not understand it is a windy there? cave. It is a great work of nature and should be taken over by 1\Ir. SINNOTT. Yes. this Government. But I do say, gentlemen, that Texas builds l\Ir. RAKER. It is allio intended to carry out the views of her own roads right up close to the line. The road for which I the Director of the Park Service as to the places and use of am asking $20,000 of this sum is a branch from the Bankhead thi money that is appropriated. Is not that so? Highway, which ·traverses the great. State of Texas from Tex­ 1\Ir. CRAI\ITON. If tl1e money is to be turned over to the arkana to El Paso. We can not build roads in New Mexico, and Director of the National Park Service for use in this program I presume New Mexico is able to take care of her own roads. I presume he will carry it out as he himself outlined it. But I do ask that this amount be expended in the building of a 1\Ir. HAKER. As he outlined it before the Committee on the national highway, so that toul'ists who traverse the Bankhead Public Lands? Highway through the town of Van IIorn and from there to this l\Ir. CRAMTON. I do not know what he outlined before cave may have a way of getting there, which they have not that committee, but there is no limitation here as to his author­ to-day. ity. I think the amendment should be adopted. We are for build­ l\Ir. RAKER. No limitation and no binding conditions as to ing good roads down there. It does not make any difference how he shall use it? whether they name them for dead statesmen or living states­ 1\Ir. CRAMTON. There is nothing here. men or for present governors or governors who may come in Mr. RAKER. I was taking it for granted that the Director the future. I did not support all of the go\ernors of Texas who of the National Park Service would carry out the program have been elected, by any means, but I have no objection to that was outlined. naming roads for them. I do not see that it costs the State 1\Ir. CRAMTON. I do not happen to know what his program or the Government anything extra to put up a signboard there was then, but the program for development reaches all the naming this road for " Ma " Ferguson, if they want to do so, parks, and this is a part of that program. or for .Pat Keff. You have got to designate it by some name. Mr. RAKER. I just wanted the REcoRD to show. I think this amendment should be adopted. The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the pro forma amend­ I want to tate to the chairman of the subcommittee that we ment is withdrawn. were given $5,000 last session, and, as I understand it, it is l\Ir. HUDSPETH. l\Ir. Chairman, I offer an amendment. intended that this cave shall be taken over by the National The ·CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Texas offers an Park Commi sion. Is that a fact? amendment, which the Clerk will report. l\lr. CRA....\ITON. It is my impression it• has been created as The Clerk read ns follows : a national monument. The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Texas Amendment offered by Mr. HUDSPETH: Page 98, line 15, after the has expired. figures " $1,500,000 " in line 15, add the following: "Provided, That l\lr. HUDSPETH. Mr. Chairman, I ask for three minutes $20,000 of said sum shall be expf.'ndf.'d by the Secretary of the Interior more. ot· under his direction for the building of a first-clas graded road The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Texas asks unani­ from Van Horn, Tex., to Carlsbad Cave, in Eddy County, N. Mex." mous consent to proceed for three ~dditional minutes. Is there Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order objection? [After a pause.] The Chair hears none. against the amendment. 1\>Ir. CRAMTON. And it is under the administration of the 1\fr. HUDSPETH. 'Vill the gentleman reserve it? National Park Service. l\lr. CRAMTON. I will reserve it; yes. l\Ir. ~UDSPETH. If you are going to take it over, and you The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman fl·om Michigan reserves have Wlsely expended $5,000 on a cave which, I am told, far the 11oint of order against the amendment. surpasses the wonders of the 1\lammoth Cave in Kentucky, I l\lr. HUDSPETH. I do not think a point of order would see no good reason for not spending the amount I ask in this lie against the amenmdent, though, because it provides for amendment on the building of accessible roads. By the way, the construction of roads. I wish to state that I saw in the current press a few days ago Mr. CR~ITON. There is no doubt about its lying, but I that -some little whippersnapper who writes for some magazine will reserve it. claims he discovered this cave. l\Ir. HUDSPETH. Mr. Chairman, the amendment seeks to 'l'he history of this thing is that this cave was discovered take $20,000 of the sum allotted the Secretary of the Interior by Maj. Richard Burgess, of El Paso. He is the man who for the building of a road from Van Horn, close to the New came here and interceded before this committee for this Mexico line, to the Carlsbad Cave that has been described $5,000. I want that to go into the RECORD. He was one of by the gentleman from New Mexico [Mr. MoRRow]. I have the heroes of the World War. He organized a company in been told that this cave rival in many ways and is far my home city, and it fought as red-blooded Americans and superior to the Mammoth Cave in Kentucky. During the last especially Texans, always fight. He is the man who' first session of Congress, through the instrumentality of my good brought to the notice of the public and Congress this cave-- friend n·om Oklahoma [l\lr. GARTER], whom I importuned, 1\lajor Burge s-and I want that to go into the RECORD. This $5,000 was provided, so that people could enter this cave. I little fellow never heard of this cave until l\lajor Burgess had do not know whether that provided easy access or not, but been here and told the committee about it, and we got $5,000 I want to say to you gentlem~n that if you will adopt this for providing a way of getting into it. amendment I do not care what you name this road. My col­ l\.Ir. RAKER. Will the gentleman yield? league from Texas [Mr. BLANTON] yesterday seemed to be Mr. HUDSPETH. Yes. yery much opposed to naming these roads for living men. He Mr. RAKER. I understand the gentleman has no objec· said there was a highway in Texas named for the present tion to this road being called the' " l\fa " Ferguson road? go\ernor, l\Ir. Neff. Well, I did not support the present gov­ Mr. HUDSPETH. ~ot the slightest objection on earth, ernor. I stumped the State for one of the greatest living although I voted to displace her husband as governor when Democrats that ever trod shoe leather on the other side, 1\fr. I was a member of the senate. She is a good woman. Bailey. But I have no objection to the road being named for Mr. RAKER. "Ma" is an abbreviation for mother. Mr. Keff. I want to say to the gentleman from Texas that if Mr. HUDSPETH. Yes. he traverses the highways of Texas in the future he may see l\lr. RAKER. Mother's road would be a delightful thing a sign up "l\Ia lfergusori Highway." [Laughter.] I would to travel, and if we bad a road built by mother we would

_ L..~YI-16 242 OONGltESSION AL RECORD-HOUSE DEOEMBER 6 ------~------~------1 not need to have' these roads ·which ·w.e fulve llad to build to ' -for legislation whlch t'hat committee could consider with ref­ Fort Leavenworth, MCNeil Island, and Atlanta, Ga., would erenee to a better situation and this committee has no objec- ' w.e? tion to the amendment. ' Mr. HUDSPETH. I take it that 1s correct The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendm~t .of- Mr. RAKER. So if u Ma" Ferguson builds a motherts , fered by the gentleman from Alaska [Mr. SUTHEULAl\""'D]. xoad, God speed her on her road. The .amendment was agreed to Mr. HUDSPETH. I think she is a good woman a:nd I The Clerk read as follows: . knew she was after they put her on the Democratic ticket down in good old Texas. [Applause.] The Alaska Railroad : For every expenditure requisite for and mel­ The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Texas dent to the authorized work of the Alaska Railroad, including m:ilnte­ has again expiJ.'ed. nance, operation, and improvements of railroads in Alaska; mainte­ · 1\fr. CRAMTON. Of course, there are various way.s of nance and t>peration of river steamers and other boats on the Yukon naming roads and we might give consideration, in connec- ' River and its tributaries In Alaska-; stores for resale; payment of , tion with the others, to the Raker road and the Hudspetli claims for losses and damages arising from operations ; payment of 'highway, but for the' present I am obliged to make .a point amounts due ·connecting lines under traffic agreement::~-; payment o.:t of order against the amendment. compensation and expenses as authorized by section 42 of the injury ·The CHAinMAN. Is this within a national park ·reserva­ compensation act, approved September 7, 1916, to be reimbursed as tion1 therein provided, $1,700,000, m addition to aU amounts received by Mr. CRAMTON. I understand it is not Within a national the Alaska RaUroad during the fiscal year 192G, which, with all bal­ rpark or national monument, and there is JlO 1egislatlve au­ ances in existing appropriatia special assis.tant to the Secretary of the Interior concerning means ; ,only -a very small strip. the Alaska .Railroad does not present a very favorable . tate­ The ,CHAIRMAN. The Chair is of opinion this amendment ment. He states that $12,000,000 is required to complete the would be an appropriation for something not authorized by railroad, and even afte'r it is -completed it will probably be Jaw and would not be a continuing work under the rule, and years and _years before any industries are established to ,therefore sustains the point -of or.der. manufacture commodities to send out 'Of Alaska. He reports The Clerk read as follows: that there ·ft.:l'e too many clerks employed. He also complains Insane of Alaska : Fo.r care and custody of _persons legally adjudged that the manager is too far .away from advice, which only insane in Alaska, including transportation, burial, a:nd other expenses, proves again that the Government can not -control publie '$1"57,757: Provided, That authority is granted to the Secretary of the utilities with -any advantage. He also suggests that there Interior to pay fromr this appropriation to the Sanitarium Co. of should be a bnreau of directors in order to advise the 'Portland, Oreg., or to other contracting 1nst1tution or institutions, not managers. to exceed $624 per capita p_er annum :tor the care and maintenance I want to inquire of the chairman of the committee, ii' he of .Alaskllll insane pa-tients during the 1lscal ·year 1926 : Provided tur­ can give me the information, how much of the $1, '700,000 will ther, That so much of this sum as may be required shall be s:vailable for be used for clerk hire. There is an item of $6,000 to be spent an "Ilecessary expenses in a-scertaining the residence of inma:tes and in her-e. What personnel does that include'? Who axe the per­ returning those who are not legal residents of Alaska to their legal sons in Washington that are receiving the $6,000? Are they resiaence or to their friends, and the Secretary of the Interior shall, advisers to the manager who resides in Alaska? so soon as practicable, return to 'tlleir places of residence or to their Of course, I recognize that no private corporation would friends all inmates not residents of Alaska at 'the time they became build a railroad in Alaska, and probably the Government is 'hlsane, and the commitment papers for any -person hereafter adjudged compelled to maintain the road, but that -does not mean tbat insane shall include a statement by the committing authority as to the the Government ·should be -extravagant. legal residence of such ·pe·rson. Mr. CRAMTON. The force in the District of Oolumbia, Mr. SUTHERLAND. M.r. Chairman, 1 offer an amendment. of course, with a limitation of $6,000, is a very small for-ce, The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Alaska offers .an composed of one or two -persons. I can not at the moment amendment, which the Clerk will report. state just how many are in the clerical force in Alas"ka, but The Clerk ..read as follows~ this is the situ-ation: Amendment •offel.'ed •bY .ML SUT.HERLA.ND: On page 104, "lin.e 13, lU'ter The Secretary of the Interior selected Mr. Noel Smith, an the word " person," insert : "Provided further, That the Secretary ot experienced railroad man from Pennsylvania, by the way, the Interior is hereby .authorized ·and instructed i:o conduct investlga­ which I take it vouches for him completely, to go to Alaska .tion and report to the Cong~:ess on the advisability of estalJlishing an and .make a - thorough investigation of the situation. This instlitu.tion .for the insane within the T-(>.nritory ·of .Alaska or in the committee felt last year that the management of the railroad 'United States, to p.r~ent estimates of the cost of such institution, was not in satisfactory bands, and the Secretary of the In­ the maintenance o"f i..mlane persons, and the utilization of any abandoned terior came to that conclusion and sent Mr. Smith to Alaska military post or other property of the United States for an asylum for and he made a thorough investigation. the J.nsane." The Secreta1·y of .the Interior gave Mr. Smith full authority, Mr. SUTHERLAND. Mr. Ohairman, I do not think it is and as a result of bis investigation various reforms were necessary for me to occupy any time 'Of the committee in ex­ brought about. The first was the resignation of the manager, plaining this amendment. and then .a reorganization of the road was started. At the The amendment provides that the Secretary of the Interior present time Mr~ Smith is the head of the railroad. Whether shall investigate and report on the advisability of caring for he is to be continued I do not know. I have understood, the insane of Alaska dil"ectly by representatives ·of the Govern­ although not directly, that the department desires to have ment; that is, with a view to doing away with this .antiquated him remain, but they are not sure they can induce him to ·system of boarding insane -persons wber-e there is an oppor­ do so. My contact with him has led me to feel that the 1·oad tunity :for ·profit and the consequent possibility of their treat­ would be in safe hands under his direction. Of course, we ment not being what it would 'be if they were taken caTe of do not begin to pay .a man to run that railroad what private in an tnstitution provided for them by .the Government. individuals would pay. l\Ir. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, the subcommittee for some Mr. W.ATSON. Be states here that the -employees are paid time has felt that the element of profit ought not to be per­ more than on private railroads. mitted to enter into the care of the insane. Tbe amendment Mr. CRAMTON. That does not apply to the manager of offered by the gentlema.u from AJaska, who is .a member of the railroad. .the Committee on the Territories, I lllllderstand, is acceptable .Tbe CHAIRMAN. The time -of the gentleman from Penn­ to the chairman of that committee, and would offer a basis sylvania has expired. 11924 . CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE· 243 I :Mr. WATSON. Mr. Chairman, I ask that my time may be Mr. WATKINS. We still own tbe coal in Alaska and no extended three minutes. Cabinet man has giv-en it to Doheny. The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the time of the gentle· Mr. RAKER. But we ought not to be taking money from ·man from Pennsylvania is extended three minutes. the people in the meantime; we should be developing the coal · There was no objection. fields and keeping the railroad going, making it a success so Mr. CRAMTON. As to the matter of clerks, and so forth, that they can not say that the Government can not success· any reforms desired or necessary are within the authority of fully operate this railroad. ·Mr. Smith himself, who has made those recommendations Mr. WATKINS. It could be worse, they could have given which the gentleman speaks about, and I have enough con- away the coal. · fidence in him to believe that he has ah·eady made those Mr. RAKER. That is true. reforms. Mr. SUTHERLAND. Mr. Chairman, I want to correct the · Mr. WATSON. He objects to the hospital" there giving gentleman from California when be says that coal is shipped sen·ice not only to the employees but to their families. Be to Alaska from the eastern seaboard. states that that is not done by other railroads, because the Mr. :~;tAKER. How does it get there? employees pay a certain amount every month for that service. Mr. SUTHERLAND. No coal goes there. There is coal Mr. CRAMTON. I am not prepared to argue all the details supplied from the Atlantic seaboard to San Francisco for use of matters that would be under the authority of Mr. Smith of the Navy. But we have in Alaska as good coal as the if he should be connected permanently with the raih·oad, but we Pocahontas that they ship through the canal. must remember that it is a different thing to run a railroad in Mr. RAKER. Does not the gentleman admit-there is no the wilderness of Alaska than to · run one through Pennsyl· criticism of him-that they are using coal in Alaska which is vania. shipped into Alaska from the United States? Mr. WATSON. That is what i stated in my 1·emarks. I do Mr. SUTHERLAND. No; from British Columbia only, and not think a private corporation could operate the road to an that is in southern Alaska. · ad"'antage, but the Government should operate it economically. Mr. RAKER. I am not questioning that. Mr. CRAMTON. We are operating the railroad because we The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Cali· deem it necessary for the development of Alaska. We could fornia has expired. not have induced private individuals to build the road unless 1\Ir. SUTHERLAND. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous con· we turned Alaska over to them, and in that event they would sent to proceed for two minutes. have been glad to build the railroad. The railroad running up The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? to the copper mines was built by' private individuals, and, as I There was no objection. remember, they put in $21,000,000 . before they took out a · Mr. SUTHERLAND. 1\fr. Chairman, as a matter of fact, penny's worth of copper from their mines. They took a chance when the Navy took out this coal at Chickaloon and tested it, on the development of the property, and the United States bas while it showed a higher degree of efficiency in many respects built the railroad, taking a chance on the development of its than the Pocahontas coal from West Virginia, the Navy dis­ property. Of course, we want it administered economically. covered that in one essential feature it lacked what is known Mr. WATSON. That is :the only point I am raising, that it is as steaming radius, although it contained the amount of fixed not managed economically now, and I wanted to know how the carbon and the British thermal units and all of the features appropriations are divided; • that enter into a superior coal in greater percentage than the · Mr. CRAMTON. As to tlle clerks, if there is any extrava- eastern article. Yet the Navy abandoned the coal mine and gance and it is continuing, it has continued under Mr. Smith, closed it do,Tn, and we of Alaska do not know why. Of yvho has the authority to stop it while he is in charge. course, the intimation is made generally that there are inter­ . Mr. RAKER. 1\fr. Chairman, I would not do this except ests in the United States that do not want that coal to {;Orne that the facts are within our knowledge. Speaking about the out, but we can submit no proof of anything of that kind, and railroad, some 12 years ago there was a question whether or we only know that the Navy abandoned the coal and is still not all the coal lands would be turned over to two organiza- using the Pocahontas coal on the Pacific coast. tions. Legislation was passed to prevent it. We built the Mr. RAKER. Will the gentleman advise the committee why I'ailroad. Kow I want to call this to your attention. it is that the Department of the Interior stopped the develop- 1\Ir. CONNALLY of Texas. Will the gentleman from Penn- ment of coal in Alaska? sylvania [Mr. WATSON] give heed to tlle gentleman from Cali- 1\Ir. SUTHERLA~TD. I do not know, nor do the people of fornia, and the gentleman from Pennsylvania will get some Alaska know. information? Mr. CONNALLY of Texas. Has the gentleman been over to 1\lr. 'RAKER. I am not hoping to give any information to the Department of the Interior? Is there not some way of the gentleman from Pennsylvania, but to the House generally. finding out? ·we built the railroad to develop Alaska. They said they had Mr. SUTHERLAND. The report is made that it costs more the greatest coal fields in the world. To-day we are importing to produce the coal. They had a mine blocked out, they had a coal into Alaska for use there except that on the railroad. Is great many thousands of tons of coal blocked· out, but they not that right, I will ask the gentleman f-rom Alaska? abandoned it. The head of the Bureau of l\lines admitted to 1\Ir. SUTHERLAND. In the extreme southern section of me that perhaps they had overlooked a bet in that respect, Alaska they are importing some coal. The other portions use but the fact is that with hundreds of thousands of tons of local coal. coal blocked out and tunnels run they abandoned it and still l\lr. RAKER. We have a railroad built by the Government, ship the Pocahontas coal around to San Francisco for the use and yet we are shipping coal from the Eastern States through of the Navy. the canal to Alaska to use in a territory that has the greatest Mr. WATSON. 1\Ir. Chairman, will the gentleman from coal deposit in the world. I was told this by a gentleman Alaska yield long enough to permit me to read a line or two within the -last week. We made an appropriation to develop from the report? The report says: ' our coal mine, but within the last year you · have stopped the The only coal company· at present operating on the Alaskan Railroad development of the coal mine. So you are growling about can produce sufficient coal that is suitable for locomotive fuel. This Government ownership of the railroad, when you do not give situation leads to the placing o! almost the entire order for coal this it a chance to live. You will do everything on earth to prevent year with this company at a price of $5.80 per ton for run-of-mine its succeeding without any criticism against the man ap- coal. pointed, a man who is familiar with eastern raih·oads but does Mr. SUTHERLAND. I will say that this is an entirely dif­ not h.-now how to handle western conditions. ferent coal. This is a subbituminous coal that they are speak­ 1\lr. CRAMTON. The only man who had. to resign as a ing of, while the other is an anthracite or a subanthracite. failure was a raih·oad man f-rom California. Mr. WATSON. This is used in the locomotives? Mr. RAKER. He was never a railroad man, never had any Mr. SUTHERLAND. · This coal he speaks of for the rail­ experience as a railroad ·man ; he had only been a worker in roads is there in immense quantities, and they are gradually the railroad business. Now, think of having a railroad built by the Government into the greatest coal field in the world, developing it and putting it down to the coast. with coal enough to supply the Navy and the Army and all The Clerk read as follows: other western and eastern cities, and yet we import coal HOWA.RD UNIVERSITY around through the Panama Canal up to Alaska on privately For maintenance, to be used in payment of part of the salalies of owned shlps and stop the development of our own coal fields the officers, professors, teachers, and other regular employees of the in Alaska. university, ice, and stationery, the balance of which shall be paid Mr. WATKINS. Will the gentleman yield? from donations and other sources, of which sum not less than $2,200 1\Ir. RAKER. Yes. shall be used for normal instruction, $125,000. 244 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE D ECEl\IBER 6

Br. BYR:KES of South Carolina. l\Ir. Chairman, I make the Mr. BYRNES of South Carolina. I think the party for , point of order a gainst the paragraph, that it is unauthorized which these people ha>e done so much shoultl have C.1c cour­ by any law. age to enact legislation to provide for this university, instead ! The CHAIRMAN. Does the gentleman from Michigan d.e­ of including appropriations for which there is no e timntc . ub- I sire to be heard upon the point of order? mitted by the lluTess enact it instead of coming in here been making an appropriation for a purpose not authorized and appr6priating money without any authority of law at all. by law, it is time that the Congress should have the courage The Committee on Education could have reported a bill last to enact legislation or discontinue the appropriations. The session and could do so at this session if the party in power Committee on Education can bring out a bill and if the Con­ desires it. gress deems it wise it can enact a law authorizing an appro­ Mr. CRAMTON. In this bill there is an appropriation for priation for this university. In the absence of it, it should the Columbia Institution for the Deaf, a private instit ution. not be permitted to remain in the bill. One of the things that We appropriate $6,0QO,OOO for the education of the Indian , a the Committee on Appropriations promised the House when national problem. This is another national problem. In ad­ the Budget law was passed was that we would refrain from dition, colleges in the gentleman's State get Federal fund · for including appropriations f6r purposes not authorized by law, their maintenance, I will guarantee. and from carrying legislation on appropriation bills, and yet Mr. BYRNES of South Carolina. If they do get a.ny-- in this bill we proceed to include item after item for this 1\Ir. CRAMTON. And those colleges will not admit negroes. lmiversity for which there is no authority of law, and in the Mr. BYRNES of South·Carolina. The gentleman from )lich- case of one item for which even the Budget Bureau submitted ·igan is repeating what was told to him by a representative' no estimate for the next fiscal year, we propose legislation. of this institution. There is quite a material difference. Ii any Mr. CRAMTON. If the gentleman will yield, he is a mem­ college in the State of South Carolina receive an appropria­ ber of the Committee on Appropriations. He may have made tion from the Federal Government, it is under the Hughes some such promise, but I do not recall that anybody else educational bill, which law authorized an appropriation for ever did. certain specific purposes in cooperation with all educational .:\lr. BYRl\TES of South Carolina. Every member of the Com­ institutions of the country complying with that law. That law mittee on Appropriations who came in here advocating the new is not restricted to colleges attended only by white students. system, telling the other committees o_f the House that they There are negro universities in South Carolina as well us in would have something to do under the new system, assured the other States. If they comply with the Federal aid law tbey House that they would refrain from legislating on appropria­ will receive appropriations. But there is no law for this ap­ tion bills and leave that to the legislative committees. propriation, and the gentleman knows it. l\Ir. CRAMTON. No one for a moment, experienced as is 1\Ir. CRAMTON: And I ask the gentleman from ::) outh my learned friend from South Carolina, would say that this Carolina to cooperate with me in securing a law. paragraph is legislation. It is an appropriation unauthorized Mr. BYRNES of South Carolina. The gentleman from 1\Iich­ by law, but it is not legislation. igan knows that under existing law the State of Michigan Mr. BYRNES of South Carolina. But the gentleman from and the State of South Carolina and every other State in the Michigan will agree that he has in the last item for the uni­ Union having educational institutions, if they cooperate with versity attempted to enact legislation which was. not -even the Federal Government, can receive funds, and it do ,.; not a ked for by the Budget Bureau for the next fiscal year, and exclude Howard University. And I want it to stand on the I have heard him lecture gentlemen on the floor in the last same footing as all other institutions and not ask Congres. to two days for advocating appropriations not estimated by the appropriate directly from the Treasury to maintain tl1.is one Budget. university when no other college receives such appropriations. :Mr. CRAMTON. We will talk about that when we get to it. If it is done solely because it is a negro institution, why not :Mr. BYRNES of South Carolina. Oh, I am talking about all select Booker Washington's institution, Tuskegee, or the in­ of these items, and I make the point of order against the stitution at Hampton, and why appropriate the money of the first one. taxpayers of the entire country for one institution here when 1\lr. BLANTON. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? one-fourth of the students are from the city of ·washington, .Mr. BYRNES of South Carolina. Yes. which makes no contribution other than that made by the tax­ Mr. BLANTON. Since so prominent a member of the Ap­ payers of every section of the country? If the gentleman propriations Committee as the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. from Michigan is proposing a law on the subject, he ought to ORA !TON] now repudiates the assurance which we common p1·ovide that the District of Columbia shall bear some portion l\Iembers understood was given to the House that the Com­ of the expense of this institution. They get the benefit of it mittee on Appropriations would not put on such items, does and should contribute to the expense. I know the gentleman not the gentleman think it is time to reorganize that committee from Michigan must have the same thought that I have on this and change the program a little? If the committee has become subject. so bold that they can repudiate their promises-- Mr. WINGO. · Will the gentleman yield? Mr. BYRNES of South Carolina. Oh, this is one of the few Mr. BYRNES of South Caro-lina. I will. instances I know of where the committee has done that, and Mr. WINGO. I hate to hear this dispute over the usurpa­ this is because of political expediency. I think my friend the tion of power between two leadj..ng members of the Committee gentleman from Michigan [Mr. CRAMTON] ought to ask the on Appropriations, and I fear one gentleman did not under­ chairman of the national committee, who has a surplus of stand the other. I understood the gentleman from Michigan $300,000, to donate it to this institution instead of asking the is willing to accept the suggested amendment of the gentleman taxpayers to pay it. from South Carolina providing that this be paid out of the 1\:Ir. CRA.l\ITON. If the gentleman will yield, I will say it surplus Republican campaign funds, and I think that disposes is quite fitting that the party that has done so much fo~ that of the question and avoids this unseemly controversy between race should continue its good work. two of these gentlemen riding on w bite. asses in this Hou e. 1924 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 245

The CHAJRJUAN. The Chair is ready to ru~. The gentle­ 1\Ir. BYRNES of South Carolina. Mr. Chairman, I make a man from South Carolina [Mr. BYRNES] makes a point of point of order on that, on the ground that it is not authorized order aga.inst the paragraph on the ground that it is an ap­ by law. provria.tion not authorized by law. Whenever a point of order The CHAIRMAN. The point of order is sustained. The has been made ag:llnst an appropriation to this item the point Clerk will read. of orde-.r has been sustained, and in this case the Chair is in­ The Olerk read as follows: clined to think that the point of order is well taken. The last Toward the construction of a building for the medical department, time the point of order was decided was on JanU8.l·y 29, 1924, within a limit of cost of $370,000, which is hereby authorized, by the gentleman from Connecticut [Mr. TILsoN], who was $185,000 : Providtjd, That no part of the sum hereby appropriated shall in the chair, and he made the following ruling: be available until there is filed with the Secretary of the Interior a It is not the province of the Chair to pass upon the wisdom or the guaranty by the trustees of the universi.ty that a suitable equipment lack of wisd{)m of any propo ed appropriation or to even consider its for such building will be provided at a cost of not less than $130,000 merits when a point of oruer is raised. If permitted to decide this by subscription of alumni and other friends of the university. question on it merits, the present occupant of the chair certainly Mr. BYRNES of South Carolina. 1\fr. Ohairman, I make the would not be a party to striking down an ap-propriation for a work point of order that the appropriation is not authorized by law of this character. This, however, is not the question submitted to and that the paragraph is legislation upon an appropriation the Chair. The que tion is whether there is existing law or authoriza­ bill. This is the paragraph I referred to where no estimate tion to sustain this appropriation. The gentleiOO.n in charge o1i the had been submitted by the Budget Bureau for an appropria­ bill admits that there is no law authorizing it. tion this year. The same p~int of order has been made in previous years, and The CHAIRMAN. The point of order is sustained. whenevPr maue it bas been decided uniformly in the same way that 1\Ir. CRAMTON. 1\fr. Chairman, I offer an amendment to the pt:"sent occupant of the chl!Jr must decide it. If the appropria­ page 108, after line 19- tion i · not authorized by law-and it is conceded that it is not-then The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Michigan offers an it is d arly ubject to a point -of order. The Chair th~refore sustains amendmeHt, which the Clerk will report. the point of order made by the gentleman from Soutll Carolina [Mr. The Clerk read as follows : B'¥1!::\'ES). Amendment offered by Mr. CRAMTON : Page 108, after line 19, insert: Tile present oc<:upant of the chair is in entire agreement with " Toward the construction of a building for the Medical De})artment, that position as to the merits and as to the point of order, and within a limit of cost of $370,000, which is hereby authorized, $185,- t refore the point of order is sustain'ecl The- Clerk will r-ead. 000, to be immediately available and available until June 30, 1925 : 'l'be Clerk read as follows: Provid.eti, That no part of the sum hereby appr-opriated sball be avail­ :For tool~, material, salaties of instructors, and other neces ary ex· abl€ until there is filed with the Secretary of- the Interior a guaranty pen ·es of the department of manual arts, of which amount not to by the trustees of the university that a suita.hle equipment for such exceec.l $21,800 may be expended for personal services in the District building will be provided at a cost of not less than $130,000 by sub­ of Columbia, $34,000. scription of alum:ni and other friends oi the university." Mr. BYRNES of South Carolina. Mr. Chairman, I make the 1\fr. BYRNES of South Carolina. Mr. Chairman, I reserve same point of order on this paragraph on the sallie grounds. a point of order on that. It is new legislation. The CHAJRMAN. The point of order is sm.'tained. 1\fr. BLANTON. I make the fru·ther point of order, Mr. ir. CRAMTON. The gentleman from Arkan ·as [Mr. Chairman, that it is not germane either to the bill or to the 1\1INUO] has referred to a suggestion that had been made as to paragraph. th ·urplu of the Republican National Committee being used Mr. CRAMTON. The decision of the Chair will be sufficient, for this purpo:;;e. I understood that that surplus was going to without any help from the gentleman from Texas. be turned over to the Dem{)Crats to pay off the deficit of their ~Ir. CONNALLY of Texas. 1\Ir. Chairman, I make a point national committee, inasmuch as they have been deemed to of order that the gentleman from 1\fichigan is not in order in have been most helpful to the campaign made by the Repub­ speak-ing otherwise than to the point of order. lican National Committee. [Laughter.] The CIL1.IRMAN. The point of order is sustained. 1\ir. BYRNES of South Carolina. I understood yon did not Mr. CONNALLY of Texas. The gentleman was speaking out nee

It is bad practice, I submit to my genial friend from the State Mr. CARTER. The gentleman from Michigan stated, I of Michigan, and I renew my point of order, that the amend­ believe, that he did not expect to call it up until Tuesday? ment offered by the gentleman from Michigan is legislation on Mr. CRAMTON. That is correct. an appropriation bill. Mr. SANDERS of Indiana. l\Ir. Speaker, the previous ques­ The CHAIRMAN. The point of order is sustained. tion having been ordered, may I inquire whether it would not The Clerk read as follow : necessarily have to come up on :!\fonday? Would it not be the Total, Iloward ·university, $406,000. unfinished business? The SPEAKER. The Chair does not think it would neces­ Mr. BYR~TES of South Ca1·olina. Ur. Chairman, I make the sarily come up, unless the gentleman calls it up. same point of order. Mr. GARRETT of Tennessee. Of course, the Speaker's judg­ The CHAIRMAN. The point of order is sustained. ment and recollection about that question is better than mine, The Clerk read ns follows.: but it seems to me, since the question has been raised, that probably, the previous question having been ordered, it would FREED:UEX' S H01>PITAL become the unfinished business, and except on Calendar For officers and employees and compensation for all other profes­ Wednesday would come up on the following legislative day. sional and other sen-ice;:; that may be requireil and expressly approved Mr. SANDERS of Indiana. That was my impression, Mr. by the Secretary of the Interior, $89,000. A detailed statement of the Speaker. e~penditure of this sum shall be submitted to Congress. Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Speaker, in order to avoid any uncer­ tainty about the matter, I ask unaimous consent that the final Mr. BLAKTON. Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order disposition of this bill and its amendments may be made the against the last paragraph as being legislation unauthorized. unfinished business, to be taken up the first thing on Tuesday There is no authority for the general blanket provision that next. I do not want to admit either way as to the rule· in re­ the Secretary of the Interior may appoint all other officers and gard to the question. employees in addition to the classification authorization to the The SPEAKER. The gentleman from l\lichigan asks unani­ extent of 89,000, and to that extent it is tmauthorized by law. mous consent that the consideration of this bill be the unfin­ l\fr. CRA.MTON. Mr. Chairman, this is entirely di. tinct ished business on Tuesday morning next. Is there objection? from the other proposition. Freedmen's Hospital is the prop­ There was no objection. erty of the United States of America; it was created by stat­ ute and it is fully authorized by law. ADJOUR~MENT Mr. BLANTON. Mr. Chairman, .I did not understand-- Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do 1\lr. CRAMTON. 1\Ir. Chairman, I do not yield. The same now adjourn. point of order was made last year and was o\erruled. There The motion was agreed to; accordingly (at 3 o'clock and is ample authority for the approp1·iation and the point of 50 minutes p. m.) the House adjourned until Monday, Decem­ order is not valid. ber 8, 1924, at 12 o'clock noon. Mr. BLANTON. If this refers to the Freedmen's Ho:o;pital, I withdraw my point of order. I did· not understand it had reference to the Freedmen's Hospital. EXECUTIVE COiUl\JUNICATIONS, ETC. Mr. CRAMTON. If the gentleman will gi\e heed he will Under clause 2 of Rule XXIV, executi\e communications were find that is the thing we are talh.-ing about. taken from the Speaker's table and referred as follows: The CHAIRMAN. The point of order is withdrawn, and 706. A letter from the Secretary of War, transmitting report the Clerk will read. relative to exchange of typewriters and adding machines in The Clerk concluded the reading of the bill. part payment for new machines for the same purpose as those 1\Ir. CR~ITON. .Mr. Chairman, I move that the committee exchanged, by the Panama Canal, for the period July 1, 1923, do now rise and report the bill back to the House with the to June 30, 1924; to the Committee on Appropriations. amendments, with the recommendation that the amendments 707. A letter from the Attorney General, transmitting state­ be agreed to and fhat the bill as amended do pass. ment of the: expenditures under appropriations for the United The motion was a (}'reed to. States Court of Customs Appeals for the fiscal year ended Accordingly the committee rose; and the Speaker having re­ June 30, 1924; to the Committee on Expenditures in the Depart­ sumed the chair, Mr. SA~DERS of Indiana, Chairman of the ment of Justice. Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union, re­ 708. A letter from the chairman National Advisory Committee ported that that committee, having had under consideration the for Aeronautics, transmitting report of typewriters and labor­ bill (H. R. 10020) making appropriations for the Department saving devices exchanged during the fiscal year 1924 and a re­ of the Interior for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1926, and port of the publications issued by the committee during the for other pm·poses, had directed him to report the same back fiscal year 1924; to the Committee on Appropriations. to the House with stmclry amendments, with the recommenda­ 709. A letter from the Secretary of War, transmitting with a tion that the amendments be agreed to and that the bill as letter from the Chief of Engineers, report on preliminary ex­ amended do pass. amination of Lewis River, Chincoteague Island, Accomac Coun­ Mr. CR.,U1TON. Mr. Speaker, I move the prenous question ty, Va.; to the Committee on Rivers and Harbors. on the bill ana all amendments to final passage. 710. A letter from the Secretary of War, transmitting with a The previous question was ordered. _ letter from the Chief of Engineers, report on preliminru·y ex­ :ur. CRAMTON. Mr. Speaker, a parliamentaty inquiry. amination of Herring Bay and Rockhole Creek, 1\Id. ; to the . \s I understand, it would be in order to call this bill up on Committee on Ri\ers and Harbors . Tne.·day, Monday being District of Columbia day? 711. A letter from the Secretary of the Interior, transmitting 'l' he SPEAKER. It would be in order to call it up on either fourth annual report of the Board of Actuaries, submitted by (lay. the Commissioner of Pensions, with comments in regard to Mr. GARRETT of Tennessee. On which day is it going to the pending legislation for amending the civil service retire­ be called up? ment law (H. Doc. No. 483) ; to the Committee on Civil Service Mr. CRAMTON. I have not had an opportunity to consult and ordered to be printed. ""'ith the leader .on this side, but my expectation was to call it up on Tuesday. REPORTS OF COM1\HTTEES ON PUBLIC DILLS AND Mr. LONGWORTH. I think, perhaps, that would be the RESOLUUTIONS wise thing. Under clause 2 of Rule XIII, Mr. GARRETT of Tennessee. I suppos~ the gentleman is :Mr. ~!AGEE of New York: Committee on Appropriations. going to demand a separate \ote on one or two amendments? H. R. 10404. A bill making appropriations for the Department 1\lr. CRAMTON. Yes. of Agriculture for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1926, and for l\lr. GARRETT of Tennessee. I think it is well to have an other purposes; without amendment (Rept. No. 1034). Re~. underl':tanding as to which day it is going to be called up. ferred· to the Committee of the Whole House on the state of Mr. CRAMTON. I have heard what the gentleman from the Union. Ohio [Mr. Lo::'\GWOR'l'H] bas said as to Monday as District of Mr. ZIHLMAN: Committee on the District of Columbia. Columbia day, and it is my expectation not to call it up until H. R. 10144. A bill to amend "An act to fix the salaries of Tne. day. . officers and members of the Metropolitan police force, the Mr. G..l.RRETT of Tennessee. -I have no choice about it at United States park police force, and the fire department of the all, but I think the Hou ~ e is entitled to know on which day it District of Columbia," approved :May 27, 1924; without amend­ is expected to ('all it up. ment (Rept. No. 1035). Referred to the Committee of the l\fr. CRA111TON. Tuesday. Whole House on the state of the Union. 1924 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 247

CHANGE OF RIDFIDRIDNOE By Mr. ANTHONY: A bill (H. R.10416) granting an increase Under clause 2 of Rule XXII, committees were discharged of pension to Edward Everett Ha!'ding; to the Committee on from the consideration of the following bills, which were re­ Pensions. ferred as follows : By Mr. AYRES: A bill (H. R. 10417) granting an increase of A bill (H. R. 9484) granting an increase of pension to Mary pension to Ann M. Barker ; to the Committee on Pensions. J. Hildreth; Committee on Pensions discharged, and referred By Mr. BEEDY: A bill (H. R. 10418) granting a pension to to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Zilpha J. Rowe; to the Commit-tee on Invalid Pensions. A bill (H. R. 10046) granting an increase of pension to Cora Also, a bill (H. R. 10419) granting a pension to Linna L. Hubbard; Committee on Pensions discharged, and referred to Johnson ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. tile Committee on Invalid Pensions. Also, a bill (H. R. 10420) granting a pension to Susie . A bill (H. R. 10164) granting a pension to Mary A. Scobey; Elgretta Henderson; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Committee on Pensions discharged, and referred to the Com­ Also, a bill (H. R. 10421) granting a pension to Mary A. mittee on Invalid Pensions. Horr ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. A bill (H. R. 10201) granting an increase of pension to Also, a bill (H. R. 10422) -granting an increase of pension to Minnie V. Main ; Committee on Pensions discharged, and re­ Anna E. Brewster ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. ferred to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Also, a bill (H. R. 10423) granting a pension to Mary Calla­ A bill (H. R. 10289) granting an increase of pension to han ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Charles Ingle; Committee on Invalid Pensions discharged, By Mr. BRITTEN: A bill (H. R. 10424) for the relief of and referred to the Committee on Pensions. William A. Bentley; to the Committee on Claims. A bill (H. R. 102DO) granting a pension to Abraham Key; By Mr. CABLE: A bill (H. R. 10425) authorizing the appoint­ Committee on Pensions discharged, and referred to the Com­ ment of Kenneth Little as an Infantry officer, United States mittee on Invalid Pensions. Army; to the Committee on Military Affairs. By Mr. CLANCY: A bill (H. R. 10426) for the relief of Roy PUBLIC BILLS, RESOLUTIONS, A:J\1) MEMORIALS A. Darling; to the Committee on Naval Affairs. By :M:r. CLEARY: A bill (H. R. 10427) granting a pension to Under c1ause 3 of Rule XXII, bills. resolutions, and memo­ Jennie C. Leydet ; to the Committee on Pensions. rials were introduced and severally referred a. follows: By Mr. COLE of Iowa: A bill (H. R. 10428) for the relief of By l\Ir. MAGEE of New York: A bill (H. R. 10404) mak­ John S. Stotts, deceased ; to the Committee on Military Affairs. ing appropriations for the Department of Agriculture for the By Mr. COOK: A bill (H. R. 10429) authorizing the payment fiscal year ending June 30, 1926, and for other purposes; com­ of a claim to Toliver B. Olark; to the Committee on War mitted to the Committee of the Whole Rouse on the state of Claims. the Union. Also, a bill (H. R. 10430) to correct the military record o! By Mr. WATKINS: A bill (H. R. 10-JO:i) to provide for the Robert B. Printy; to the Committee OD. Military Affairs. con ervation of helium gas, and to prohibit the exportation of By Mr. DENISON: A bill (H. R. 10431) for the relief of helium gas from the United States ; to the Committee on Mili­ Thoma ·L. Harris; to the Committee on Military Affairs. tary Affairs. By Mr. FAffiFIELD: A bill (H. R. 10432) granting reinstate­ By Mr. ELLIOTT: A bill (II. R. 10406) to prodde for the ment of pension to Hester P. Hart; to the Committee on construction of certain public buildings in the Di<:;trict of Pensions. Columbia and the several States, Territories, and dependencies By l\Ir. FRENCH: A bill (H. R. 10433) granting an increase of the United States ; to the Committee on Public Buildings of pension to Alfred Schaefer ; to the Committee on Pensions. and Grounds. By 1\Ir. GLATFELTER: A bill (H. R. 10434) granting an in­ By Mr. FITZGERALD (by reque. t) : A bill (H. R. 104:07) crease of pension to Catherine Markle ; to the Committee on to establish a station for the investigation of mentally handi­ Invalid Pensions. capped children in the schools ; to the Committee on Education. By l\Ir. MORTON D. HULL: A bill (H. R. 10435) for there­ By Mr. GIFFORD: A bill (H. R. 1040 ) to remit the duty lief of John Marks; to the Committee on Naval Affairs. on an addition to a carillon of bells imported for St. Stephens By Mr. JACOBSTEIN: A bill (H. R. 10436) granting an in­ Ohurch, Cohasset, Mass.; to the Committee on Ways and crea e of pension to Susie K. McLeod; to the Committee on Means. Invalid Pensions. By Mr. LAGUARDIA.: A bill (H. R. 10409) to amend the Also a bill (H. R. 10437) granting an increase of pension immigration act of 1924; to the Committee on Immigration to Rosanna A. Moe; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. and Naturalization. · Also, a bill (H. R. 10438) granting an increase of pension By Mr. PARKS of Arkansas: A bill (H. R. 10410) to amend to Susan B. Churchill; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. the first paragraph of section 24 of an act entitled "An act By Mr. KNUTSON: A bill (H. R. 10439) granting a pen­ to codify, revise, and amend the law relating . to the ju­ sion to Henry B. Schenck; to the Committee on Pensions. diciary"; to the Committee on the Judiciary. By Mr. LAMPERT: A bill (H. R. 10440) granting an in­ By Mr. SINNOTT: A bill (H. R. 10411) granting desert­ crease of pension to Michael Rau ; to the Committee on In­ land entrymen an extension of tim~ for making final proof; valid Pensions. to the Committee on the Public Lands. By Mr. McKEOWN: A bill (H. R. 10441) granting an in­ By Mr. MORTON D. HULL: A bill (H. R. 10412) granting crease of pension to Susanna Cutshaw; to the Committee on the consent of Congress to the Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Chicago Invalid Pensions. & St. Louis Railroad Co. to construct a bridge across the By Mr. MONTAGUE: A bill (H. R. 10442) granting a pen­ Little Calumet River; to the Committee on Interstate and sion to Carl Olson ; to the Committee on Pensions. Foreign Commerce. By Mr. MURPHY: A bill (H. R. 10443) granting an in­ By Mr. KELLY: A bill (H. R. 10413) granting the consent crease of pension to Louisa Whiteleather ; to the Committee of Congress to the county of Allegheny, Pa., to construct, on Invalid Pensions. maintain, and operate a bridge across the Monongahela River, Also, a bill (H. R. 10444) granting a pension to Mary Sut­ at or near the borough of Wilson, in the county of Allegheny, ton; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. ln the State of Pennsylvania; to the Committee on Interstate Also, a bill (H. R. 10445) granting a.n incrfmse of pension to and Foreign Commerce. Mary A. Danford; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. By Mr. WILLIAMSON: A bill (H. R. 10414) making an By Mr. REECE: A bill (H. R. 10446) granting an increase appropriation for special research and accounting in matters of pension to Reuben B. Hyder ; to the Committee on Pensions. relating to suits brought by Indian tribes against the United By Mr. SCHAFER; A bill (IL R. 10447) granting a pension States ; to the Committee on Appropriations: to Michael Bibus ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. By Mr. DRIVER: A bill CB;. R. 10415) providing for the By Mr. SIMMONS: A bill (H. R. 10448) granting an in­ extension of the public building at Jonesboro, Ark.; to the crease of pension to Rufus W. Jones; to the Committee on Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. Pensions. By Mr. BOYLAN: Concurrent resolution (H. Con. Res. By Mr. SMITH: A bill (H. R. 10449) granting an increase 33) authorizing the appointment of a joint committee of the of pension to Daniel Strasburger ; to the Committee on- Pen­ House and the Senate. to investigate the present conditions sions. of the Naval E tablishment, and for other purpose's; to the By Mr. SNYDER: A bill (H. R. 10450) granting an increase Committee on Rules. of pension to Julia B. Jones; to the Committee on Invalid Pen­ sions. PRIVATE BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS By Mr. STRONG of Kansas: A bill (H. R. 10451) granting Under clause 1 of Rule XXII, private bills and resolutions a pension to Nora B. Hardy; to the Committee on Invalid Pen­ were introduced and severally referred as follows : sions. ;248 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE DECE1\IBER 8· ------~~------r------~I By Mi·. TABER: A bill (H. R. 10452) granting a pension to same, and art ever reaay to communicate wisdom, to direc~ Lottie Julia Heinzman; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. the steps of the trustful soul, and lead us all into the greeu', Also, a hill (H. R. 10453) granting a pension to Addie pastures and beside the living waters. We humbly beseecl\.' Allen; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Thee for Thy blessing this morning. Ever be near to us ·1 Also, a bill (H. R. 10454) granting a pension to SarahLouise helping us, amid the anxieties and the needs of these days.\ Heinzman ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. We ask in Jesus' name. Amen. By Mr. THATCHER: A bill (H. R. 10455) for the relief.of the legal l'epJ·esentatives of Lym_an Randall, J. E. Sarrazin, HmAM W. JoHNSON, a Senator from tbe State of California"/ and James Williams; to the Committee on War Claims. WILLIAM H. KING, a Senator from tbe State of Utah, l.RVINEl: By l\fr. WATRES: A bill (H. R. 10456) granting an increase L. LE~JlOOT, a Senator from the State of Wisconsin, JosEPIX:: of pension to Mru·y A. Radney; to the Committee on Invalid E. RANSDELL, a Senator from the State of Louisiana, anti:', Pension . . JAMES A. REED, a Senator from the State of :Mis ouri, appeared, By Mr. WELLER: A bill (H. R. 10457) granting an exten­ 1n tbei~ seats to-day. - · ' sion of patent to Marie B. Froehlieh and Fannie B. l!roehlich, THE JO"C"RNAL heirs of the patentee, Helen B. Froehlich; to the Committee on The reading clerk proceeded to read tbe Journal of the pro l'atent<>. reedings of the legislative day of Wednesday, December 3,> By Mr. WILLIAl\lS of Illinois: A bill (ll. R. 10458) granting 1924, when, on request of Mr. CURTIS and by unanimous conJ an increaRe of pension to Lucinda Be<:k; to the Committee on sent, the further reading was di8pensed with and the Journal 1 Invalid Pen ions. was approved. • By 1\lr. WURZBAOH: .A bill (H. R. 10459) granting an in­ CREDEKTI.ALS crease of pen8ion to Mary Elizabeth Carson; to tile Committee on Pen ions. The PRESIDE~"'"T pro tempore laid before the Senate a Also, a bill (H. R. 10460) for the relief of James A. Simpson ; certificate of the secretary of state of the State of Idaho;l to the Committee on Military .Affairs. certifying to the -election of Hon. WILLIAM E. BoRAH as a· Also, a bill (H. R. 10461) for the relief of Odelon Ramos ; Senator from that State for the term beginning on the 4tll! to the Committee on Claims. day of March, 1925, which was ordered to be filed. Also, a bill (H. R. 10462) for the relief of the estate of He aL~o laid before the Senate a certificate of the Governoi; James H. Graham; to the Committee on Claims. of the State of Delaware, certifying to the election of Hon ..j By Mr. WYANT: A bill (H. R. 10463) granting a pension to CoLEMAX DU PoNT as a Senator from that State for the terni Nora Remaley; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. commencing on the 4th day of March, 1925, which was ordered l Also, a bill (H. R. 10464) granting an i_ncrease of pension to to be filed. Ella M. Shaffer ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. He also laid before the Senate a certificate of the Governo~ f Al.No, a bill (H. n.. 10465) granting an increase of pension to of the State of Minnesota, certifying to the election of Hon. Polly A. King ; to tbe Committee ou Invalid Pensions. THOMAS D. ScHALL as a Senator from that State for the Also, a bill (H. R. 10466) granting an increase of pehsion to term commencing ou the 4th day of l\1arch, 1925, which was I Christ Cl'iubs; t~ the Committee on Invalid Pensions. ordered to be filed. He al. o laid before the Senate a certificate of the Governor 1 of the State of Mississippi, certifying to the election of llon: PETITIONS, ETC. PA'.r HARRISON as a Senator from that State for the term begin4 : tTnder <:lanse 1 of Rule XXII, petitions and papers were laid ning on the 4th day of March, 1925, which wa,s ordered to be on the Ole1·k's desk and referred as follows : filed. 3104. Dy the SPEAKER (by request) : Petition of Babbit He also laid before the Senate a certificate of the State Post, No. 15, Grand Army of the Republic, Bristol, R. I., ask­ Board of Election Commissioners for the Commonwealth of ing for the repeal of the law authorizing tbe Director of the Kentucky, certifying to the election on Tuesday, the 4th day .Mint to issue 5,000,000 memorial GO-cent pieces, which coins of November, 1924, of Hon. FRED l\I. SACKETT as a Senator from . are to be turned over to the Stone Mountain Memorial Asso­ tbe State of Kentucky for the term beginning March 4, 1925, , ciation, of Atlanta, Ga.; to the Committee on 9oinage, Weights, which wa ordered to be placed on file. and :Measures. He also laid before the Senate a certificate of the Governor 3105. Also (by request), petition of citizens of California, of the State of Louisiana, certifying to the election of llon~ protesting again. t Senate bill ·3218, called the compulsory JosEPH E. RANSDELL as a Senator from that State for the term Sunday observance bill; to the Committee on the District of beginning on the 4th day of l\larcll, 1925, which was ordered Columbia. to be filed. 3106. By :lir. GARBER: Petition of citizens of Okmulgee, l\lr. HALE. I present to tbe Senate the credentials of my Okla., favoring an increase of salaries for postal employees; to colleague [1\Ir. FERNALD], which I ask may be read. the Committee on the Post Office and Po ·t Roads. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The certificate of electimi 3107. Also, petition of residents of Roger Mills County, Okla., of the Senator from Maine [llr. FERNALD], will be read and filecl opposed to the passage of the Sunday observance bill ( S. 3218) ; with the Secretary of the Senate. to the Committee on the District of Columbia. The credentials were read, as follows : 3108. By :Mr. SHREYE : Petition of Strong Vincent Post, STATE OF 1\lA.INB. No. 67, Grand Army of the Republic, Erie, Pa.; International To an who shall see these presents, greeting: Union Local, r~o. 859, Stationary Engineers, Erie, Pa.; Army Know ye that BERT M. FERNALD, of Poland, in the county of Andros-­ and .1. avy Union, Charles V. Gridley Garrison, No. 4, Erie, coggin, on the 8th day of September, in the year of our Lord 1924, l">a., for increa e of Civil War pen ions to $72 per month, was chosen by the electors of thi State a United States Senator to totally disabled to $125, Civil War widows $50, and said ratings represent the State of Maine in the United States Senate for a term include Indian war veterans and their widows; alSo that of six years, beginning ou the 4th day of March, 192:5. · Hou. e bill G934, for the relief of pensioners of the Spanish Iu testimony whereof I have caused the seal of State to be hereunto War, Philippine insunection, and China relief expedition be affixed. passed at an early date; to the Committee on Pensions. Given, under my hand at .Augusta the 15th day of November, In the 3109. By l\lr. V.INCENT of Michigan : Protest of residents year of onr Lord 1924, and in the one hunllred and forty-ninth rear o:t of St. Louis, Mich., Belding, 1\lich., and Corunna, 1\Iich., against the independence of the United States of America. tbe passage of Senate bill 3218; to the Committee on tbe Dis­ [SE.AL.] FRAXK W. BALL, trict of Columbia. Secretary of State. By the governor : SENATE PERCIVAL D. BAXTER. EXPE~SES OF THE U:\'ITED STATES COURT OF CuSTOMS APPEALS - ~Io. -DAY, Decembe'r 8, 1924 The PRESIDENT pro tempore laid before the Senate a com~ I . The Chaplain, Rev. J. J. Muir, D. D., offered the following munication from the Attorney General, transmitting, pursuant prayer: to law, a statem~nt of the expenditures under appropriations I 1 0 God, our help in ages past, for the United States Court of Customs Appeals, fiscal yeat: I 1924, which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. · Our hope for years to come, 1 j Our shelter froru the stormy blast, REPORT OF BOARD Oll' ACTUARIES I And our eternal home- · The PRESIDENT pro tempore laid before the Senate a com· · We look unto Thee this morning, recognizing that as the weeks munication from the Secretary of tbe Interior, transmitting, ) ~re multiplied into the months and years Thou !e~ai!!_est the pursuant to law, the fourth annual report of the Board of·]