TRU-Park Workshop 4: Vision presentations see presentations see attendance register apologies: -

25 April 2016 18h00 – 21h00 Pinelands Methodist Church Hall

Agenda: • Process • Previous workshop feedback • Francis Joubert – WCG / Vision • Piet Van Heerden – City of / 2003 Contextual Framework • Tracy Cheethan – Square Kilometer Array • Bruce Brock – Cape Health Technology Park • Geoff Underwood – Planning Partners / The River Club

Michael Krause / Process & Previous workshop feedback

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Transformation Design: Kuyasa Library is a bad example to - human centered, interdisciplinary process use for community participation as - change behaviour and form the project went against what the - multi-stage iterative process community wanted. - examining problems holistically Riad Davids; VP, Pinelands Rate - successful prototypes Payers Association - new roles, new organisations, new systems and new policies

example: Kuyasa Library,

Clarification on the public participation Which community vision will be Referring back to the process, process. taken forward? How do we handle specifically to the role of the manifesto. the contrasting view and visions for The manifesto represents the shared Constraints and opportunities: TRUP? vision for the site. The 3 scenarios will Meta-plan board has been pinned with the Geoff Underwood; Planning Partners, respond to the manifesto. maps of comments from the previous River Club Michael Krause; SUN Development workshop. The maps are open to the stakeholders for comments. Referring to the diagram of the The professional team is briefed by the process, who informs the provincial government and informed by professional team? They should be the public participation process. Point informed by/listed underneath the taken, the professional team should not stakeholders and the CoCT and input at the same level as the WCG. stakeholders, WCG and CoCT. Craig O; OM resident Michael Krause; SUN Development

The professional team is paid by the Openness of the public sector to engage Client to take forward the brief. What with the stakeholders. if the stakeholder input goes against Michael Krause; SUN Development the brief? Riad Davids; VP, Pinelands Rate Payers Association

The issue of ideas and objectives. Map of development needs clarification. Craig O; OM resident Michael Krause; SUN Development Simphiwe Sincwala; WC Diverse Traditional Leaders Higher densities can be allowed on . TRUP Association

Western Cape Government Vision presentation by Francois Joubert

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Emphasis on listening to and having What are the City’s sacred cows? We have not planned anything. There has conversations with the river; the river will What has the city already planned? been several requests for space. There have to listen to us as well. Riad Davids; VP, Pinelands Rate are some opportunities that cannot wait Payers Association for our framework, we need to give them Referencing the last century historic map of guidelines. TRU-Park river systems: the link to the salt Francois Joubert; Director Regeneration river estuary and the issue of river flooding programme, WCG The estuary used to accommodate flooding. We haven’t had a flood for the past 100 years. Historic map overlays show how the modification and the infrastructure suffocated the river. We have to deal with flooding issues. (Engineers are doing modelling of the river.) We need to know everything upfront. This is the purpose of the meeting - that Herman Hesse: the river knows everything is why SKA, CHTP and the RC are here. The river needs help: leaving as it is, is not This workshop is about informing us. an option. There are many problems; there Michael Krause; SUN Development is no space for people there; a space for everyone needs to be designed, to address everyone’s wish. Let’s save the river and design with the people. The area needs a lot of people. Designing for people: water and people FJ’s contribution is very important, sensitive design, not just building but also we need to work towards the people, critical mass to make the dream positive goals, however, there are com true. It has to be dense, mixed and in people rushing to do things, we some place with high rise, designed without need to nurture the potential of the stigmatization. park - part of the community Enjoy the river: a monument for the first development - putting down some nation, a place where to live-work-play, constraints to protect the site. The water purification and the water moving ahead should take sustainability, sport program, retail and consideration of future entertainment places, a variety of places opportunities. with different identity. Mark Turok; OCA Celebrate the space: link to the cemetery, connect the site to the rivers, to the sea, Is FJ’s statement the final vision? Explanation on the role of the manifesto. protect the views. Craig; OM resident Michael Krause; SUN Development Treasure the treasures: Maitland village as sustainable development, treasure the memory, richness of existing treasure, The importance of OMEV is the design a park, romantic and memory, brave activities taking place. There is no and bold to make the right choice. need to redevelop where micro- A special place: street as narrow as development is taking place, possible, 24 hour place, safe, no campus regeneration from the ground. planning. Craig; OMEV resident Special building: do not label the buildings, make them open/flexible, and avoid blank facades, no parking, if you can no car, agriculture and food gardens. We are not here to fight over the Park, but to fight for it together!

City of Cape Town and 2003 Contextual Framework presentation by Piet Van Heerden

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Introduction. There is no current spatial plan; We can send all the relevant documents we need to create it together. This will Can we get these plans/ and policies, and will present the involve understanding the site as a public information? baseline assessments when they are amenity and looking at different objectives. Mark Turok; OCA ready. There will be environmental Mention of the process of rationalisation of layers, and historical layers for the site. the which involved Pete Van Heerden; CoCT long term visioning and practical exercises

with all stakeholders and required dedication Historical sites of different cultures The historical layer a technical layer that over years. We need to rationalise all the need to be considered. The is managed by a heritage specialist who issues together. This is a strategic site on consultation has to be holistic. The needs to consider the site holistically. metropolitan scale. stakeholders will know what is Her baseline studies will be provided significant. during the process. Broader policy that TRUP needs to fit into – Riad Davids; VP, Pinelands Rate Pete Van Heerden; CoCT Cape Town Spatial Development Payers Association Framework and the District Plan which stipulate spatial development objectives and development guidelines. The site is critical to us in terms of cultural and historical importance, Table Bay Spatial District Plan 2012: it is an this should not be an unfair assessment tool to judge any project that processes and should not be falls into the Development Plan [Cape town compromised and distorted. We is one of the few cities that makes use of need to know what the vision is. such a system] Contextual integrated framework is necessary. There should not be a This facilitates the spatial development of a split between the stakeholders and public urban park: the professional team. They should  with a broader vision; work together to in order to  taking into account all the formulate a cultural and historically historical and cultural assets integrated vision. [in/tangible]; Lungelo Nokwaza; traditional leader  ecological systems; Council of Nguni People  network of destination points for tourists/citizens. What is the link with the TRUP The TRUP association as connected to association? the Contextual Framework of 2003 and Western Cape Government is driving the Riad Davids; VP, Pinelands Rate was created as an institutional structure process of developing a framework for Payers Association to monitor/oversee the implementation of TRUP, but they have come into a mutual the Contextual Framework for 2003, but partnership with the . implementation never took pace. Contextual Framework plan 2003 is outdate, Pete Van Heerden; CoCT and this is the brief of the professional team What are the timeframes/deadlines? This is a long term process. For example to assess it. CF2003 – has no consolidate Wayne Bruton; Robin trust TCT movement hierarchy needs to be concept plan; no programme attached to a determined and needs to align with funding programme. It is an outdated TRUP. Where are the future stations and document which does not fulfill its purpose. routes? CF2003 is missing crucial components: It Pete Van Heerden; CoCT lacks a vision for the site; it lacks historical layers; it does not address the role of the site within the broader context; and is outdated in terms of public transport and connectivity to the rest of the city.

Note that the city has just approved the TOD (Transit Oriented Development) approach [one week old]. The access hierarchy is very important.

It is important to note that the site boundary has changed! The new site boundary includes Ndabeni triangle.

It is important to interrogate the role of each the precincts within the site. The CF2003 delineates precincts but have very weak guidelines. For example: Valkenberg West, the guidelines can be tighten up and elaborated to align with more recent policies.

Urban design policy 2013 should be applied to each precincts; there are many other policies that can be applied to the precincts.

Square Kilometer Array presentation by Tracy Cheethan

NO4 QUESTION / STATEMENT COMMENTS RESPONSE

SKA - overview: What does SKA do? Timeframe? 20 years from 2030, we will need the full Mapping the sky, research into dark energy, requirement. Tracy Cheethan; SKA

the galaxy and cosmology. Are those the only sites up for We were considering a site at Alexandria consideration? Hospital but have since moved away Cape Town is the best location because of Lucian le Grange; LLG Architects & from this idea. its proximity to the other SKA Sites that lie in Urban Planners Tracy Cheethan; SKA areas of low population density in the northern cape. Cape Town office manages Would it be possible to spilt the It won’t be possible to split the facilities all the data collected in all other countries in facilities across sites? Concern across sites. The 8000sqm refers to the Africa as well and distributes it to the rest of about the scale of the facilities. floor area of the facility, not the footprint. the world. Mark Turok; OCA Tracy Cheethan; SKA

MeerKAT will be completed in 2017. This is What other uses or activities can be CPUCT and UCT will have an interest. a precursor to the larger projects. MeerKAT connected to or cluster well with the There is discussion with River Club in terms will be incorporate in the SKA phase 1 in SKA? What other activities will want of students accommodation. There has been 2018 to be located close to SKA? UCT? collaboration with tertiary institutions and a Pete Van Heerden; CoCT team dedicate to innovation and team of Currently offices are located in Pinelands technology. There will be space for with 200 people, in Rosebank, incubating the commercial spinoffs of the Johannesburg and in the Karoo with 100 technology that will be created by the SKA. people Tracy Cheethan; SKA

Available land for developing facilities is Will there be amazing internet There will be a 7.4 terabytes/s line at first. located on the SAAO and the NRF owned connectivity in the area? This will be upgraded to a 400terabites/s portion of the River Club sites. There are 4 Thessa Bos; NL Consulate General in the future. There is a separate possible areas for expansion on SAAO; the programme run by CoCT and WCG to NRF site on the corner of the River Club is help roll out better internet as well. All also an option research / academic institution on the site will be running on the same A tender will be prepared for the end of May infrastructure as the SKA and will benefit 2016 and a team will be appointed. from this. Tracy Cheethan; SKA

Oude Molen will SKA move there? In 2008 & 2009, we looked at various 10000sm? options, but we are no longer looking at John Kennedy: EV/TRUP the OM, the requirements are more mature / fine-tuned now, and the figure for floor space required has come down to 8000sqm. Tracy Cheethan; SKA

Cape Health Technology Park presentation by Bruce Brock

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Explaining concept plan. It is still in initial Land has been requested, will it This will have to be negotiated and will concept phase and feasibility studies are mean that if your feasibility figures only happen if Province and the City being done. This is not a given plan; it will were right province will give you the believe in the opportunities, start small and then make space for future land? Bruce Brock; CHTP expansion. Hudson McComb; Oude Molen

The buildings will also include incubator and This cannot be in oude molen it has I do not agree with the earlier comment. start up spaces, along with space for to be along the ! If you want to Pete Van Heerden; CoCT create a technical park in the green scientists. lung? Thank you, but of no thank you. Research includes small molecule research Riad Davids; VP, Pinelands Rate & development of biotechnology. The Payers Association buildings need to accommodate offices, and space for the development of high-end Social facilities in the area, MGV will The area demarcation is not a fence, it diagnostic medical devices and become a tiny little island, high just indicate the area, we are not putting biotechnology. Only clean production walls, discount the whole idea, up more fences, processes will be allowed here due to the brilliant idea, but you are creating a Bruce Brock; CHTP proximity to residences. massive barrier Craig O; Oude Molen MGV is the oldest garden village in SA, Phase 1: offices would be located in the one of the intervention is about how to heritage building following a sensitive The idea is great, but what will it protect the MGV urban fabric and heritage approach. How can we adapt and happen at the MGV, 250houses, with regenerate the area. reuse the building? These buildings are very backyard dwellers, how does it help Pete Van Heerden; CoCT solid and ideal for offices. Inside the us? How does it make MGV people courtyard there could be a medicinal herb living a better? Listening to the river, garden for visitors to the facility. what about listening to us, MGV Phase 2: Building on the corner of people. Emily; MGV resident Disa road with 3000sqm footprint. Do you envisage a residential Yes. It will include space for a facility for component? Bruce Brock; CHTP interaction with the public, such as display Pete Van Heerden; CoCT

spaces, spaces for students, a cafeteria, etc. Is this going to diminish Biovac? These spaces can help people to Biovac is not on the right place, and understand how research can impact society if this is an offshoot of it, this is not (“Science at work exhibit” for high school the right site. children, etc.). There could be conference Daniel; Oude Molen facilities on ground level as well. The What about the park, and the scientists would been to be supported by horses… This space is not like administrators, lawyers, human resources Epping. The green space should etc. This could generate jobs for other stay green. businesses. There are 1000 science PhD Oude Molen students who need future jobs, otherwise we will move overseas How are they going to reach the site, Many of the people will be able to live on public transport is not an option. site. Public transport will also improve. Existing buildings could be ideal for student Riad Davids; VP, Pinelands Rate Bruce Brock; CHTP accommodation. Payers Association

At this stage it is just a land request based How do you reconcile Oude Molen on the proximity to Biovac. It is just a with technology park? concept that needs to be tested. Oude Molen

OM has a holistic vision supported by WDC 2014, it will add value for the whole region. Hudson McComb; Oude Molen

River Club presentation by Geoff Underwood

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Explanation of why it might be possible to Is the RC being rezoned? Not yet, it will have to go throughout the build on the land. If the level of the land is Riad Davids; VP, Pinelands Rate EIA process during which more Public elevated, it will be above the 100 year Payers Association Participation will have to take place. floodline. The area is already Geoff Underwood; River Club environmentally degraded. Berkley road extension will take place in future. The site is not currently zoned for anything but Open Is this your plan? It was a proposal. It is no longer the Space. It is also not zoned for conservation Oude Molen current proposal. on the CT SDF. Care needs to be taken in Geoff Underwood; River Club term of the interface with water. How will Berkely road extension deal The span and height of the road should with the flood considering that the take into account water requirement. other barriers are created by the train lines as well? It is a city decision and it makes sense to make a connection there. The railway line is along a Geoff Underwood; River Club problematic bridge. This should be fixed. Why can the new road not run along the railway where there is already a bridge? Mark Turok; Oude Molen

What are the implications of raising Elevating the ground level will trigger an the property? EIA assessment. This process will Friends of Liesbeek involve public participation and specialist studies. Mr Krige’s water study is very interesting.

A water use license will also require a long process. Geoff Underwood; River Club

What kind of rezoning will you be Zoning will be complex and will take applying for? Subdivision? place in phases. In essence, it will be John Kennedy; TRUP/Oude Molen mixed use zoning. The River Club is planning to subdivide and either own the land themselves or sell. There will be various land uses with potential for long term lease holders or private land. Geoff Underwood; River Club

This development could link to , gateway to the park. This could start the implementation of the TRUP. Pete Van Heerden; CoCT

One cannot plan development without taking into account the contextual environment and the people that are already there and understanding the complex picture of all these project happening together. We should not populate the area too much. Hudson McComb; Oude Molen

The developers are Zenprop. Who I have never worked for them before. are they? What has your experience Geoff Underwood; River Club been of them?

Big business are there to make The city is built by big businesses. We money. We need to see all projects need big businesses to be able to holistically within the context of develop and to maintain our green other projects, Conradie Hospital spaces as well. site, etc. Once the green lung has been built Province/ City doesn't build city they just there will be no green land. frame them…i have done some work at Riad Davids; VP, Pinelands Rate century city, there is some synergy Payers Association between attracting the development and supporting the green environment. Geoff Underwood; River Club

The problem here is not that General agreement from stakeholders. development is around it, the problem is that development is inside it! We don't want the green space to be destroyed Mark Turok; Oude Molen

We would like to reconvene for the next session, on the 12th of May 2016 at the Pinelands Methodist Church hall.