WTH is going on with the new voting law? Gov. Brian Kemp on the law, Major League Baseball and the Biden agenda

Episode #97 | April, 8, 2021 | Danielle Pletka, Marc Thiessen, and Gov. Brian Kemp

Danielle Pletka: Hi, I'm Danielle Pletka.

Marc Thiessen: And I'm Marc Thiessen.

Danielle Pletka: Welcome to our podcast, What the Hell Is Going On? Marc, what the hell is going on?

Marc Thiessen: Well, what the hell is going on is that corporate America and the Biden White House, and everybody are piling on the state of Georgia because of the election law they just passed. The Major League Baseball, at 's urging, has pulled the All-Star Game out of the state and moved it to Colorado, which is going to cost, not the state of Georgia, but the people of Georgia, small businesses in Georgia, African-American business owners in Georgia, something like a total of $100 million dollars in lost revenue. So they're doing all this over a law that Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler, no conservative, no rabid right-winger said in a fact check that the net effect was to expand opportunities to vote for most Georgians, not limit them. So these people are doing this out of a pinnacle of near perfect ignorance. They are hurting the people of Georgia all as an exercise in virtue signaling. That is just absolutely appalling to me. I don't know, Dany, how do you feel about it?

Danielle Pletka: I don't think it's a virtue signal, I actually think it's lying. And look, I'm no elections law specialist. And so in preparation for this podcast, I sat down, like you did Marc, with a lot of articles, research, criticism, praise, fact-checks, interviews with the , look at what other states are doing. And you cite Glenn Kessler from . The person who I looked to was Nate Cohn, who does this often-

Marc Thiessen: New York Times.

Danielle Pletka: For . Now, a fine contrast I should add with the absolutely fervid coverage on both the front page and the New York Times op-ed page. And Nate Cohn says much the same thing that Kessler does. So let me just go over a couple of the points that he makes that I think are really interesting. So he starts it out by saying, "There's nothing unusual about exaggeration in politics." Well, that is possibly the understatement of the year. He suggests that there's absolutely no way that people can know that this suppresses turnout. There's no evidence whatsoever historically that any of these factors either expand or

2 suppress turnout. He says, and I'm just going to quote him, "For decades, reformers have assumed that the way to increase turnout is to make voting easier, yet surprisingly expanding voting options to make it more convenient hasn't seemed to have a huge effect on turnout or electoral outcomes."

Danielle Pletka: There's essentially no evidence that the vast expansion of no-excuse absentee mail voting in which anyone can apply for a mail absentee ballot had any discernible effect on turnout in 2020. Okay, guys. So here are some facts. And for me, sorry to sort of rant on about this, but for me, the most important thing to weigh is: Is this an effort to actually suppress turnout or is it merely an effort to regulate voting? And it seems to me the balance falls absolutely on that question of regulation.

Marc Thiessen: But it's also, this law expands early voting. It added an extra Saturday vote. Seventeen days of early voting. The drop boxes, people forget drop boxes are a new innovation that started during the pandemic as a health measure. They wouldn't even exist because they were done under an emergency measure, if they didn't pass a law mandating them. And now they've mandated drop boxes and done them in a way that's going to be safe and regulated. One of the big issues with the mail-in ballots was signature matching. Well, signature matching is kind of a subjective thing. You have to look and say, "Does it look like that?" Not everybody's signature is the same every time. So what they said is you have to use some kind of identification. You can put your driver's license number in or something else that's easier to check.

Danielle Pletka: Or your utility bill.

Marc Thiessen: Well, that's the thing, people say, "That's bad because a lot of people don't have driver's licenses." You can use your utility bill, a bank statement, a government check, a paycheck, another government document with your name and address on it, the last four digits of your social security number. Folks, this is not hard. This is not hard. And I will tell you something, Dany, I know for a fact that if I showed up at National's Park for a baseball game and went up to the will call and said, "I'm Marc Thiessen and I have tickets." You know what they're going to ask me? Show me an ID. Right?

tMarc Thiessen: And if I said, "You got to trust me, I'm Marc Thiessen, here's my utility bill." They would say, "Sorry, bud. You're not getting your tickets, because we don't know it s you." And if you need an ID for something as unimportant as a baseball game, how much more so should you have an ID for something as important as the integrity of an election?

Danielle Pletka: I actually agree with that and I think most sensible people agree with that. I think part of the problem in addition, Marc, is that we're talking about a group of people that doesn't vote. So who are they focused on? Well, homeless people. They may not have a utility bill. They might not have a driver's license. And the answer is, first of all, you can get a state ID for free in Georgia if you apply for one. But the bigger issue here is we are not talking about a population that has a strong history of voting. This is the challenge here. And it is yet another illustration of our inability to have a balanced, intelligent conversation anymore in American politics.

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3 Marc Thiessen: And then here's the other thing that drives me crazy, Dany, is that there are all these corporations, in addition to Major League Baseball that have come out, to criticize the Georgia law. And if you put up a list of the companies that have criticized the Georgia law with the list of sponsors of the Beijing Olympics, there's a big overlap in those two things. So China, which has no free elections, which is busy suppressing the movement in Hong Kong, which is putting millions... We just had Mike Waltz on the podcast, and they're putting millions of Uyghurs in cattle cars and sending them to concentration camps. Oh, but it's okay, we can sponsor the Beijing Olympics. We can put money into the Chinese communist regime, but we should be boycotting the state of Georgia, which just expanded voting access. Explain that to me.

Danielle Pletka: Well, I have a little data for you on this, which I think is useful. So we actually, and all thanks to Alexa and to our intern for doing this, we scrubbed the list of 200 companies that sent a letter protesting Georgia's new election laws. And 42 of those companies, so almost a quarter of those companies, do business with China. Let's go even further, that paragon of virtue, Major League Baseball, just expanded its agreement with Tencent Corporation, the owner of WeChat, those guys who are aiding and abetting the Chinese government's efforts to censor people. This is just-

Marc Thiessen: The same week! They signed the deal with Tencent the same week that they pulled the All Star Game out of Georgia. It's literality simultaneous.

Danielle Pletka: So here's the tough question from my standpoint, and then I want to get to our guest. But I think one of the tough questions that we have to ask is, as policy makers sitting in Washington, trying to think about what sensible measures our government should engage in, what our companies should be doing. The question for me is what should the conservative reaction to this be? Mitch McConnell is frothing at the mouth. Marco Rubio, Dan Crenshaw, they've all come out. They've condemned Major League Baseball, they've condemned their hypocrisy. The Wall Street Journal editorial page has taken them to task. What's the right response for people who are outraged by this? It's a hard question.

Marc Thiessen: So, I think Mitch McConnell's response was pretty straightforward, which is stay out of politics. These people should not be weighing in on laws that they don't understand and don't know what they're talking about, in an effort of virtue signaling. The other thing I think corporate America needs to be careful, because the reality is the Republican Party has changed a lot. It's no longer the party of big business. It's the party of the working class and small business.

Marc Thiessen: And Joe Biden is out there right now saying, "We need to raise the corporate tax rate." And I guarantee you a lot of these same corporations that are virtue signaling on the Georgia election law are suddenly going to be calling Mitch McConnell, asking for his help to stop Biden's corporate tax increase. And maybe Mitch McConnell ought to just tell them to go stick their complaints somewhere where the sun don't shine. Because I'm sick and tired of bailing out corporate America. And I know it's not because of the corporations. We do it because those costs get passed on to consumers. And there's good economic reasons for not raising the corporate tax rate that have nothing to do with

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4 corporations and their alleged greed or whatever else like that. But I'm just sick and tired of corporate America sucking up to the left on stuff like this, and then coming to the Republicans and asking for help when the Democrats want to ruin their bottom line.

Danielle Pletka: But enough about you, Marc, and me. Let's talk a little bit about our guest, Governor Brian Kemp, who's the governor of the state of Georgia. He's been the Governor since January of 2019. He is a Republican. He was previously the Secretary of State of Georgia, so he knows a little bit about their election law. He was in that position from 2010 to 2018. And he was a member of the , and before that, a businessman. We're really lucky to have him because he's a busy fellow these days.

Danielle Pletka: Governor, I want to ask you a really basic question to start things off. Why did Georgia need a new election law?

Gov. Brian Kemp: Well, listen. After the last cycle here, I mean, obviously the whole country was watching the runoff, and there was a lot talked about, a lot of legislative hearings between the November election and the January runoff that were bringing to the light mechanical issues with the elections and other things that we'd really ran into in the 2020 cycle. Obviously, the pandemic had a lot to do with that as well. We had a 351% increase in the number of absentee ballots by mail that we have. That created a real problem for county elections officials that were having to count all those ballots with the signature match process that, quite honestly, is arbitrary in some ways, and then also really cumbersome time-wise when you have not five to 10% of people voting absentee, but 35 to 40%. And so we needed to fix that, which the voter ID requirement I think does two things. It further secures the ballot, but also will speed the process up.

Gov. Brian Kemp: Then you had other issues like the ballot drop boxes. They never have existed, at least in recent Georgia led voting laws, dating back 15-20 years or further. And when the public health goes away, because it was an order of the state election board using emergency powers, the drop boxes would have gone away too. And the left is saying, "Oh, you're taking away drop boxes." We're actually adding them into the statute for the first time in recent memory, and allowing and mandating, quite honestly, every county to have at least one.

Gov. Brian Kemp: Where the last election, there were counties that didn't even have a drop box. And put some consistency and security measures behind that. So, if we hadn't done this legislation, drop boxes would be a goner. They wouldn't be used in the 2022 cycle or even the '21 cycle for some local races that we're going to have. Also because of complaints of vote counting starting and stopping creating a lot of doubt amongst voters, difficulty for those that are monitoring the election, the bill now mandates that county officials have to continuously tabulate the ballots until every vote is counted, solving that problem.

Gov. Brian Kemp: The whole water issue that's gotten so out of control with people literally just lying about the ability for a voter to have a drink of water in line, they can absolutely do that. They can bring food and water. They can order a pizza. They can order Uber Eats. The county officials can provide a drink station for the voters

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5 within the 150-foot buffer of the precinct. And if somebody is outside the precinct, they can offer food, drink, put campaign signs up, hand out literature. They just can't interfere with people when they're in the line to vote within the 150 feet. And that was an issue that the legislature felt very strongly about and addressed.

Gov. Brian Kemp: And then we also added more opportunities for people to vote in Georgia. As you know, we have 17 days. We added an additional Saturday that people can vote in Georgia. And we have the option, if the county elects to, they can have voting on either one or two Sundays, either/or or both. That wasn't present before. Well, I guess there was an additional Sunday that we added. So we've actually added the opportunity for people to vote early in Georgia. And while the other side's saying that we're being restrictive and keeping people from voting, what actually the bill says is people will have more opportunities to do that.

Marc Thiessen: Governor, it seems like five minutes ago, you were being hailed as the hero of democracy for standing up to and defending the integrity of Georgia's elections. And now, you're suddenly the second coming of Jim Crow. What happened? How'd you get so bad, so fast?

Gov. Brian Kemp: Well, I will tell you this. If you look at my record, I've been very consistent. I was Secretary of State for nine years, and I've been Governor for, I guess, a little over two years now. And I've always said and believed that it should be easy to vote and hard to cheat, and that we should have secure, accessible, fair elections in Georgia. And that is exactly what we have continued to do with this legislation. Historically, if you look back after big election years, especially this year with having a new voting system, there's always election clean-up bills that are worked on. This is nothing new in Georgia. Just the focus that we're getting on it is certainly new. And if you look at my record, I sued the Obama justice department so that we would have a citizenship check when you register people to vote in Georgia. But I also implemented online voter registration that came out of an elections advisory committee that I created when I first got into office, and it took two years for legislation to pass to be able to do that.

Gov. Brian Kemp: And I've worked very hard to keep our voter rolls secure. So my record is consistent. People's views on my record have changed because it's very easy for the left and people like that are making a lot of money off of this, and really off the lies that they're spreading about this bill, it's easy for them to say I'm a racist and a voter suppressor. But if you look at the data and the numbers and the facts in this bill, that's just not true.

Danielle Pletka: Governor, in reviewing all of the articles, all of the criticism, some of the praise, the one part of this bill I don't understand as well as others, is the question of the state ability to take over local election offices. Why does the state need that? And don't you worry it may somehow diminish the rights of local officials?

Gov. Brian Kemp: No, I do not. This is something that's been batted around for a long time here in Georgia. It's something the legislature actually felt very strongly about. Obviously, like it's been said by some, it's not going to change any results. It would be very short-term if that ever were to happen. And it's much in line with other processes that we have in the state of Georgia to do that on, I don't want to

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6 say similar things, but on other activities that are similar in many ways. A good example is local school boards. We've had local school boards in our state that have just not done what they're supposed to do, haven't followed the law. The governor has had to step in in the past or the legislature or whatever the process is to take over that school board, to appoint new members to that school board, basically to reset it and to keep those school systems from losing accreditation.

Gov. Brian Kemp: And that's in a nutshell kind of how this would work with the counties. I personally believe it will be very seldom used, but it does hold the counties accountable to follow the law and the rules. And if they do that, this is never going to happen to them. And at the end of the day, if it were to happen, it's going to be a temporary situation.

Marc Thiessen: Let me ask you about the MLB boycott. So the last time I checked, when I had to go to a Major League Baseball game to the will-call, I had to show an ID to get my tickets at the will call. But apparently it's not okay to show an ID in order to vote. How has that boycott impacted Georgia residents and the people of Georgia? And also, they moved the game to Colorado, how do your elections compare to Colorado's?

Gov. Brian Kemp: Well, this is really the height of hypocrisy with everything that's going on. If you look at New York where Major League Baseball is headquartered, you have to have an excuse to vote absentee. In Georgia you do not. We have at least seven days, potentially nine days more of early voting than New York does, yet Major League Baseball is going to pull the game from us because they think this is a suppressive effort. I mean, obviously the commissioner had no idea what this legislation did. I think they are going to pay the price for that. If you compare us to Colorado, they only have 15 days of in-person early voting. We have 17. They have a photo ID requirement. We do as well for in-person voting. So a lot of similarities.

Gov. Brian Kemp: There are differences too, but that's what the Constitution says. The states decide how you do voting. I support that. They can do whatever they want in Colorado, but I'm not going to boycott them because they mail theirs, which I think is a terrible idea from a security perspective. And that's really what's so frustrating in all of this. It is literally the cancel culture and it's also Joe Biden and the White House and a lot of these other people trying to build support for national takeover of elections, which is unconstitutional, with HR1 or SR1.

Danielle Pletka: I wanted to ask you about the involvement of the White House. Georgia was very important to the election of Joe Biden, for reasons that we don't need to rehearse. Does Biden understand the little people, the workers, the population of is going to be hurt very badly by Major League Baseball's boycott, by all of these companies who are now threatening Georgia? Do you understand what the game is in his mind?

Gov. Brian Kemp: Well, I certainly wouldn't be able to speak for what Joe Biden's thinking is on this issue. I mean, from somebody that's been... I've owned my own business since, gosh, about 1990 I guess. So I've had to make a lot of good and bad decisions. I've learned from the bad ones more than the good ones. Certainly being Secretary of State, being Governor, you're making decisions all the time. And I

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7 know I try to get all the information before I make a decision and I know what the facts are. It's obvious to me he did not have the facts on this bill.

Gov. Brian Kemp: But I think if I had to guess, it's a couple of things. Number one, they're trying to get the votes to pass SR1 and HR1. They're trying to pressure people like Major League Baseball and these big corporations like Delta and Coca-Cola into saying that this is a racist bill. And because of this overreach at the states, then we got to pass a federal mandate with HR1, SR1, have a nationalized election and basically do an unconstitutional power grab. I think that's really the main political agenda obviously of a lot of people at the White House, and obviously of and Chuck Schumer as well.

Gov. Brian Kemp: But the other thing is, I think they're diverting from crises that they have. And a good example is the one on the border right now where people are just flooding across our Southern border. And I've been to McAllen, Texas. We've got Georgia National Guard troops down there that are trying to help the border patrol. I got a briefing on that a couple of weeks ago. I mean, it's a drastic change from when I was there in December saying hello to our troops before the holidays as to what's happening right now.

Marc Thiessen: Governor, let's talk a little bit about the hypocrisy of your critics. So, if you look at a list of the companies that have written to you expressing their outrage, outrage over Georgia's voter suppression laws, as they would call, it seems like a lot of them are sponsoring the Beijing Olympics, a country that has no free elections, that is actively suppressing the democracy movement in Hong Kong and taking people's right to vote away, not to mention putting Uyghurs in concentration camps and all the rest of it. I mean, isn t there a level of hypocrisy here?

Gov. Brian Kemp: Oh, it's at the height of hypocrisy. And I'm thankful that you've got really high profile people like Senator Tom Cotton, Senator Rubio, Leader McConnell, Governor Abbott and other people, especially the US senators that are calling out the whole position on China with Major League Baseball and obviously other big corporations that are doing business there, but also with MLB and their ties to Cuba. I mean, it makes an average Georgian who really doesn't pay attention to politics much wonder what are they thinking? Why are they punishing us, yet they are going to have a relationship with China where there are no elections, or if they are, it's already pre-determined who the winner's going to be? I mean, the more you hear about this, just the crazier it gets. And just for Joe Biden, not to even realize what his own state election laws were. I saw some people tweeting the other day about when you go in to vote in Delaware, they call your name out so somebody could challenge you. Could you imagine if we had that in our bill? I mean, it'd be unreal.

Danielle Pletka: So what's the right next step? Obviously you're trying to explain, you're trying to speak truth to power and to the White House. I saw that the Georgia House has threatened to take away Delta's tax break. What's your approach going to be in future to these companies and to groups like Major League Baseball? Should conservatives think about this in terms of punishment or is that not the right way to go about it?

Gov. Brian Kemp: Well, I can just tell you that we have a lot of irons in the fire as to how to respond

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8 to this from a business perspective. But listen, we have one of the best business environments in the country. We just had a great economic development announcement a couple of days ago with a Korean company that's going to be manufacturing parts for automobiles here in our state. And we continue to see our economy rebound. Our unemployment is below the national average. We've set records for investments in the number of jobs we've created in the first half of this year. So we've got to continue to preach that message.

Gov. Brian Kemp: But to me right now, the best thing I can do is continue to push back on this big lie and have a lot of these companies really realize that they had been hoodwinked, they had been hoodooed, and they need to either reverse course or just get in a bunker and try to ride this thing out. And we need people on the other side, the Democrats and a lot of these local elected officials where their local community is going to get hurt because of no fault of their own, but because of their national political leaders, to speak out and say, "Look, we don't need boycotts here. We've got a political process. I respect that. And you can go back and look at my record over the years. I haven't always agreed with other states, what they're doing with their election laws, whether it's Washington and Oregon, mailing out ballots to everybody, much like Colorado does now, or California, that I think at one time had same day voter registration, no citizenship check. I mean, I think those are terrible ideas for security of elections, but it's their right to do that. However, I don't think other states or other people should be coming to Georgia and trying to tell us what we need to do down here. We've got a process that works and as a lot of people have said, elections have consequences. We certainly saw that at the federal level here, but at the state level, our legislators won with strong majorities. That majority is who worked on this bill, really doing the will of the people of our state, so that we continue to have secure, accessible, fair elections and make it easy to vote and hard to cheat. That's what this bill does, it creates more accessibility, but also better processes from what we learned in the last election and better security.

Marc Thiessen: Well Governor, the New York Times and the Washington Post both back you up on that. Glenn Kessler, who's the Washington Post fact checker gave Joe Biden four Pinocchios for his description of the law and says the net effect is to expand opportunities for most Georgians, not limit them to vote. Nate Cohn said on balance, it's going to make voting easier because it expands the number of days of early voting, including weekend days that progressives covet. I mean, do these people not read the New York Times and the Washington Post?

Gov. Brian Kemp: I've never told anybody, I don't think, to go read the New York times, but maybe I need to now. But all I can tell people is, look, I am telling you the truth. I have done over 50 interviews with anybody you can imagine, including a lot of predominantly African-American media, to really just to get the truth out there and let people decide. I can't make them believe me, but I can tell them the truth. I'm doing that, Joe Biden and a lot of these other people are not.

Danielle Pletka: My exit question for you is this, do you think that Georgians as Georgians, not Democrats or Republicans, are going to be so angry about this, that this is actually going to end up hurting the Democrats in the next election there?

Gov. Brian Kemp: Well, I'll just say this, we have a long way to go before the next election, but this

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9 issue-

Danielle Pletka: Thank God.

Gov. Brian Kemp: Yeah, I know. This issue has galvanized Republicans, not only here, but all across the country like I haven't seen in a long time. You've got an array of different legislators in Georgia, folks that are in metro districts that barely won races, that actually got more votes in their districts than President Trump did. Then you ve got legislators that are from some of our rural districts that are just hardcore, as strong Trump voters as anywhere in the country. They are all united behind this bill because they know what the truth is. They are mad as hell at Delta, Coca-Cola and Major League Baseball.

Danielle Pletka: Well, I understand why.

Marc Thiessen: I do too and I'm drinking Pepsi right now, for what it's worth.

Gov. Brian Kemp: I mean, I've had so many people ... I mean, I had breakfast with somebody this morning and they were like, "I drank my first Pepsi yesterday." I mean they're just, they're fed up.

Marc Thiessen: Well Governor, we appreciate your leadership on this issue and we know how busy you are right now. So thank you for taking the time to talk to us.

Danielle Pletka: Thanks so much for the time.

Marc Thiessen: So he just said something that struck me that I hadn't even thought of because everybody's so focused on the Beijing Olympics. Major Leagues Baseball's in bed with the Castro regime in Cuba. I remember when we were working for Senator Helms and they brought over a Cuban team to play against the Baltimore Orioles and they want to play games down in Havana and all this stuff. Baseball is in bed with the two of the most repressive regimes on the face of the earth and they have the gall, the gall to say that Georgia is ... They'll play in Havana, but they won't play in Atlanta. I mean, give me a break.

Danielle Pletka: Yeah, no, look that's ridiculous. But I mean, I guess the only thing that I would say about this is what critics are exploiting is Georgia's history. Critics are basically looking backwards and saying that in a state that embraced Jim Crow, in a state in which Black Americans had a very hard time voting, they need to be doubly sensitive to questions of voter suppression. You know what I got to say? I think that's absolutely right. I think that is a totally legitimate demand to make. What I don't think is that it is therefore right to lie about, or to twist what Georgia's law does. The only place where I really didn't feel like I got a slam dunk of an answer from the Governor was on this question of state and local interference. I don't really get that. My bet is it won't make a big difference, but I guess I haven't seen great explications of why they need to do that.

Marc Thiessen: This law, it may not be perfect, no election law is perfect, but I'll tell you what it expands voting access. It doesn't restrict voting access. It expands the number of days, there are now going to be two Saturdays required of in-person voting. The

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10 voter ID requirements, if anything are watered down, because you can use your utility bill, you can use anything to show, it makes the decisions over absentee and mail-in ballots less subjective because instead of a signature match, it uses some sort of ID. I mean, all of these things are making voting more accessible and more secure.

Marc Thiessen: The reality is, the people of Georgia elected these people to run their state and they passed this law and if the people of Georgia don't like it, then they can change the people who run the state of Georgia. But it's not the place of Major League Baseball, or corporate America or, Joe Biden to go in and number one, lie about what the law does. Again, don't take my word for it, take Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post, four Pinocchios for Joe Biden on his description of this law. If you care so much about African Americans, who's going to bear the brunt of the boycott? Whose businesses are not going to get the hundred million dollars that was going to pour into the Georgia economy?

Marc Thiessen: It's not going to hurt Brian Kemp, it's not going to hurt the legislators who passed it, it's going to hurt individuals who were counting on that, the hot dog vendors, the local bars and businesses. And, by the way, lost the opportunity to celebrate the life and legacy of Hank Aaron in his hometown during this. So this is just a perfect confluence of ignorance and virtue signaling-

Danielle Pletka: And partisanship.

Marc Thiessen: ... and everything that's wrong, and partisanship in a perfect swirl of just atrocious politics. I'm just disgusted by the whole thing.

Danielle Pletka: You know what the bottom line here is? Is it's just another depressing nail in the coffin of our normal political discourse. We can't talk about anything anymore and I'm really glad the Governor was willing to come on and answer questions. If you guys have further questions for us, don't hesitate to reach out. Yell at Marc, tell me how great I am, and obviously compliment Alexa. Thanks so much-

Marc Thiessen: Has anyone ever done that?

Danielle Pletka: Yeah, they do, yeah they do.

Marc Thiessen: Have you ever got an email saying how great you are because of that?

Danielle Pletka: Yes, yes I have.

Marc Thiessen: Despite the fact that you beg for it every podcast?

Danielle Pletka: Yes, in fact, Marc Thiessen I have, so there. Hey folks, don't forget to review, subscribe, send it to your friends, your enemies, your mom, your dad, your sister, your brother, and all your cousins, take care.

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