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→ What the GNOME Desktop Gets Right and KDE Gets Wrong KDE Stories Firehose All Popular Polls Deals Submit Search Login or Sig2n9 u8p Topics: Devices Build Entertainment Technology Open Source Science YRO Follow us: Please create an account to participate in the Slashdot moderation system Nickname: Password: 6-20 characters long Public Terminal Log In Forgot your password? Sign in with Google Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Close Discover the Many Uses of Python & Strive Towards a Successful IT System Administration Career with 60 Hou×rs of Training for 95% off Ask Slashdot: Is KDE Dying? Posted by EditorDavid on Saturday August 20, 2016 @11:34PM from the demise-of-desktop-development? dept. A long-time loyal KDE user "always felt that it was the more complete and integrated of the many Linux desktop environments...thus having the most potential to win over new Linux converts." And while still using KDE exclusively without any major functional issues, now Slashdot reader fwells shares concerns about the future of desktop development, along with a personal opinion -- that KDE is becoming stale and stagnant: KDE-Look.org, once a fairly vibrant and active contributory site, has become a virtual ghost town... Various core KDE components and features are quite broken and have been so for some time... KDEPIM/KMail frankly seems targeted specifically at the poweruser, maintaining over many years its rather plain and arguably retro interface. The Konqueror web browser has been a virtual carcass for several years, yet it mysteriously remains an integral component... So, back to my opening question... Is KDE Dying? Has innovation and development evaporated in a development world dominated by the mobile device? And, if so, can it be reinvigorated? Will the pendulum ever swing back? Can it? Should it? The original submission has some additional thoughts on Windows 10 and desktop development -- but also specific complaints about KDE's Recent Items/Application Launcher History and the KDE theming engine (which "seems disjointed and rather non-intuitive".) The argument seems to be that KDE lacks curb appeal to fulfill that form-over- function preference of the larger community of users, so instead it's really retaining the practical appeal of "my 12 year old Chevy truck, feature rich for its time... Solid and reliable, but definitely starting to fade and certainly lacking some modern creature comforts." So leave your own thoughts in the comments. Does desktop development need to be reinvigorated in a world focused on mobile devices -- and if so, what is its future? And is KDE slowly dying? free kde linux → How SSL/TLS Encryption Hides Malware What the GNOME Desktop Gets Right and KDE Gets Wrong KDE Turns 19 KDE Plasma 5.5 Has Matured Past the Point of Plasma 4 Project Neon Will Bring Users Up-to-Date KDE Packages Submission: Is KDE Dying? New Linux Trojan Is A DDoS Tool, a Bitcoin Miner, and Web Ransomware Ask Slashdot: Is KDE Dying? 199 More | Reply Login Ask Slashdot: Is KDE Dying? Post Load All Comments S30e aFruchll 27909 A Cbbomremvieantetsd L0o Hg iIdnd/eCnreate an Account C/Soemaments Filter: AScllore: I5nsightful I4nformative I3nteresting F2unny 1The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. ›0 W-1 hat does Netcraft say? (Score:3, Interesting) b19y 90 1M0o0r0e1 |0 R00ep1l0y1 L0o0g1i1n ( 652467 ) on Saturday August 20, 2016 @11:38PM (#52741041) P erhaps the users have spoken and most prefer the Gnome2/MATE/Cinnamon style interface. The rest of us are on Awesome, Xfce or something else. NRicepklny atom Teh:i s Share tPwaisttsewr ofardce: b6o-o2k0 lcinhkaeradcinte rs long F laPgu basli cIn Taeprpmroipnraial te UsiLnogg CIninn amFoorgno t( Syocuorr pea:s2s)word? by HalAtWork ( 926717 ) Close Fits all my and family's needs. Most of my GUI apps are GTK but QT ones fit in fine. Close Re:What does Netcraft say? (Score:5, Insightful) by Daemonik ( 171801 ) on Sunday August 21, 2016 @03:56AM (#52741785) Homepage The 'people' didn't choose Gnome, much in the same way the 'people' haven't chosen systemd. The distribution packagers chose to make Gnome their default and the 'people' once presented with a choice tend to stick to that choice. Until the last 5-10 years there were only a couple of distro's that really took the effort to showcase KDE, mostly Mandrake and SuSE. The sad thing was Gnome was never up to KDE's maturity and cohesion. It was launched and chosen as the default because of baseless fears over the licensing of Qt back in the 90's, not technical ability. Reply to This Parent Share twitter facebook linkedin Flag as Inappropriate Re: (Score:3, Informative) by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) It was launched and chosen as the default because of baseless fears over the licensing of Qt back in the 90's, Back in the 90s the license was an issue. It's not the same now. Re: (Score:3, Informative) by donaldm ( 919619 ) Linux was never alive to begin with. It's market share has always been in the toilet. Nobody takes it seriously as an operating system. You are quite right Linux's market share is so abysmal that billions of people actually use it daily without being aware of it. If you are going to Troll, do it properly. Re: (Score:3) by ITRambo ( 1467509 ) About 2% of desktop users use Linux. That's about 30 million, not billions. Re: What does Netcraft say? (Score:4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 21, 2016 @01:53AM (#52741481) Android. Web servers. Routers. Switches. Billions. Reply to This Parent Share twitter facebook linkedin Flag as Inappropriate Re: What does Netcraft say? (Score:3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward Those aren't desktop users. They're not relevant to a discussion about desktop environments. You wouldn't run KDE on a switch. That would be stupid. Re: (Score:2) by tezbobobo ( 879983 ) OP has a valid point actually. The article isn't talking about the 'billion's of devices - it is specifically talking about the desktop platform. I believe that Linux constitutes between 5-10% of desktop use. Considering it is free, that's pretty crap. Re: What does Netcraft say? (Score:4, Interesting) by Zontar The Mindless ( 9002 ) <[email protected]> on Sunday August 21, 2016 @03:26AM (#52741711) Homepage Given the considerable lengths to which MS has gone over the last 20 years in its attempts to strangle any other, nascent desktop OS in the crib [wikipedia.org], I think it's pretty fucking remarkable that we even have any alternatives at all. Fuck the numbers. What matters is this: Do we still have choices? Yes? Then I really don't give a shit about how many people make choices that I don't make. Let them. I don't follow the Kardashians, either. And FWIW--long-time KDE user here. The Plasma/workspaces stuff is boneheaded but can safely be ignored. Otherwise, I'm still liking it pretty well. If that ever changes? "We'll always have Window Maker." Reply to This Parent Share twitter facebook linkedin Flag as Inappropriate Re: (Score:3, Funny) by Bing Tsher E ( 943915 ) Billions of people use processors that run only Machine Language programs that load from the reset vector. Mice, graphics card, the controller chips inside hard drives, etc. There's even a 'multiplier effect' because every Linux computer in operation has a handful of these processors inside it. So the Machine Language 'Operating System' is 20-500 times more popular than any PC operating system, and thousands to hundreds of thousands of times more popular than Linux. This popularity measure is based on the It better not be. (Score:4, Interesting) by Zombie Ryushu ( 803103 ) on Saturday August 20, 2016 @11:38PM (#52741047) KDE is the Gold standard in Linux Desktops. It has the most utilitarian behavior of all of the existing Linux desktops. Reply to This Share twitter facebook linkedin Flag as Inappropriate Re:It better not be. (Score:5, Interesting) by HiThere ( 15173 ) <charleshixsn AT earthlink DOT net> on Sunday August 21, 2016 @12:40AM (#52741257) KDE3 was the gold standard for my use. KDE4 never seemed as "solid". I preferred Gnome2. When I saw KDE5 on Ubuntu I immediately reinstalled Debian. XFCE is pretty good, so is LXDE. The last time I tried Mate I wasn't really impressed, but that's 6 months ago. Cinnamon seemed to have caught some sort of disease from Gnome3 when dealing with panels. Trinity doesn't seems to work well with the current series of applications. But currently what I use is KDE4. I like it, it's just never felt as solid as KDE3 did....but I preferred Gnome2 to KDE4, so I'm not sure why Mate hasn't felt like a reasonable choice. Reply to This Parent Share twitter facebook linkedin Flag as Inappropriate Re: (Score:2) by Blaskowicz ( 634489 ) I feel like Mate (or Gnome 2 in things like RHEL 6 and Open Solaris variants) is very susceptible to a theme or icons being slightly off. It can look crappy, or slightly like crap. Mint exists as a whole distro to provide a theme for Mate and its GTK siblings :), even there there's a tiny little bit of variation available by default and that's all. You may slightly tweak the font rendering or hide a few desktop icons etc. rather than messing too much with the themes. If you thought Ubuntu 8.04 or Debian lenn Re: (Score:2) by thsths ( 31372 ) Actually, I think KDE 1.1 was the best KDE ever. It had some quite innovative features, such as desktop level workers, and a desktop level VFS, which actually worked.
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