All 491 comments as of 4/25/2019, that are posted Mo Day Time Views Com. Like Hate Subs. at https://youtu.be/ps_yxyUp6L8, organized by Jan 20 24,363 153 111 51 subject 22 25,016 155 113 52 Feb 3 28,484 185 143 56 Stairway to Heaven: 4 9:40a 28,597 187 143 56 9:51a 28,733 189 144 56 the true meaning 10:14a 28,733 191 144 56 10:50p 28,734 193 144 56 6 9:41p 29,102 196 147 56 98 revealed at last! 7 3:29a 29,164 198 147 56 98 24 12:25p 31,953 204 165 59 107 26 5:45p 32,321 207 166 59 108 27 10:10p 32,490 210 166 59 108 Mar 8 2:55a 33,410 217 169 63 112 11:35p 33,478 219 170 63 112 9 12:46p 33,519 221 170 63 112 28 10:00a 35,874 252 184 66 117 31 9:35a 36,514 258 186 66 117 Feb 24, 2015 through July 6, 2018 Comment 11:50p 36,708 260 187 67 119 Record on the Youtube video published by Apr 2 10:18a 37,000 262 188 68 119 BibleWizard on Feb 24, 2015 8 3:49a 38,001 263 192 72 122 Comments begin on Page 2. They are 11 2:5 m 38,417 264 193 72 123 arranged in the order of “newest first” (reverse 12 10:39a 38,477 265 193 72 123 chronological order) except that where I have May 7 10:27a 40,867 272 207 78 128 dialog with someone, that dialog is in 24 8:15p 42,459 282 216 78 135 chronological order, just like on Youtube. 30 2:15p 43,333 290 220 80 138 The chart in column 2 is a record of the Jun 10 11:22p 44,700 305 223 86 141 number of views, comments, likes, hates, and 11 11:36p 44,964 307 223 86 141 subscribers on various dates during 2018. Jul 1 12:44a 47,336 315 238 89 146 Several subjects were brought up 2 12:14a 47,465 321 242 89 146 repeatedly. Here are some of them in red. These 10:25a 47,516 323 242 89 146 phrases are posted in red wherever these subjects 3 6:22p 47,695 328 244 89 147 were brought up, so you can find what was said 4 10:30a 47,836 339 245 89 147 about any of these subjects by using the phrases 9 9:30a 48,793 343 252 93 151 here as search phrases. 12 3:12p 49,139 345 253 96 152 “It’s a joke, son.” Where my sarcasm was 13 9:42a 49,263 346 253 96 152 taken at face value. 14 1:40p 49,435 347 258 96 153 “Here’s what it really means.” Several 17 10:16p 49,836 346 262 98 159 people dispute my theory and told me their own. 18 10:52p 50,000 348 264 99 160 Really deep theology. So deep we nearly 25 3:40p 51.096 355 274 102 164 reached China. Aug 1 12:15p 52,381 358 284 106 170 “How could a God of Love permit evil?” 6 11:53p 53,377 367 293 112 176 The question and my response, stated many ways. 14 2:19p 54,429 376 304 114 181 Attacking the Bible. Arguments against 22 9:45p 55,447 391 311 115 187 God and His Bible. 27 11:26a 56,381 402 319 118 187 This song is not about nothing. A defense Sep 9 12:30p 57,503 407 322 121 192 of something profound in these lyrics. 11 8:45p 57,743 412 328 122 195 “You’re insane.” If you delight in seeing 26 2:07p 58,944 420 338 124 196 my sanity or salvation doubted, search this phrase.

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 1 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” 30 2:20p 59,238 427 339 124 196 seems to me to be a generally very nice guy but Oct 1 11:27p 59,350 430 342 124 196 when he writes lyrics such as this, I feel Apr 12 8:32p 69,634 466 419 160 236 disappointed or even repulsed by them. I was half 2 0 1 9 joking when I asked who you say you are because 20 3:05p 70,053 478 421 160 237 of your moniker "Bible Wizard". I had a funny 25 2:38p 70308 491 425 163 238 vision, are you truly a Wizard that can control the mind and hand of a song writer thousands of miles Starting in 2018, when I respond to a comment, I record the away, plus you must have been a very young statistics. It took nearly three years to reach 25,000 views. It Wizard at the time, I'm sure Plant is much older took another six months to reach 50,000 views. than you. So there it is, I love the music but Explanation posted on Youtube with the video: The something distresses me about it. I never question Led Zeppelin sound track with a slide show ex- my faith, it is the way and the life but I do question plaining the TRUE meaning of the words. (Since Plant's faith, is he Christian or otherwise? Maybe I the composer says he is still trying to find out, I have no right to ask but I do want to know. can make them mean whatever I want and no one can be quite sure I am wrong. So I want them to be April 25 12:30 pm Biblewizard response a Gospel message.) Normally "what do the words Wow! A sincere, thoughtful mean?" means "what did the author mean by question/comment! I love it! I want you to come them?" But where the author has publicly disa- live next door where we can talk over the back vowed any certainty about that, the only remaining fence! useful question is "what interpretation of the Subjects I will enthusiastically address: words best renders them consistent with reality?" Jesus’ flaming sword in his mouth “Most High”, the song April 24 6:05 pm Paul Kopacz My age You say that you moved Plant's hand to Is Plant a Christian write these lyrics, well then I just have to ask. Biblewizard origin Who is it that you say you are? Jesus’ Sword: you quote the line from the song “Most High”: "When David's seed speaks April 24 Biblewizard response through his paper crown, and he spits hot steel, see My secret real name is hahaha all the kids fall down" “David’s seed”, as you note, is firmly Really deep theology. identified in the Bible as Jesus. April 25 10:22 am Paul Kopacz John 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That BibleWizard I had to ask because, being Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the Christian myself and liking Led Zeppelin's music town of Bethlehem, where David was? my whole life (I'm 50 now) I was perplexed. Plant Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus has written other songs that had me questioning Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of my love of the groups songs. For example, Plant David according to the flesh; wrote in his song "Most High" off the Page and 2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ Plant album (not Led Zeppelin) a line about Jesus of the seed of David was raised from the dead that disturbed me. It goes like this, "When David's according to my gospel: seed speaks through his paper crown, and he spits “His paper crown” springs to my mind the hot steel, see all the kids fall down", implying that fact that He is identified in the Bible as “the Word the words of Jesus are lies or poison. Jesus comes of God”, and today’s copies of what we call the from the line of David through Mary and so must Word of God are printed on paper. be David's seed in the song. I just wonder if Plant John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, is a Christian or not because I have always liked and the Word was with God, and the Word was his songs, his wit, and his sense of humor and he God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 2 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him through one’s thoughts. was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness quick, and powerful, and sharper than any comprehended it not. [The following verses twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing positively identify “him” as Jesus.] asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat intents of the heart. upon him was called Faithful and True, and in Not to minimize the power of Truth to slice righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His through flesh too. After all John 1 and Genesis 1 eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were describe the whole universe created with words. many crowns; and he had a name written, that no But Truth slices like a surgeon, to remove the man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed cancer and save the patient. with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is Daniel 2 describes Jesus’ “kingdom” called The Word of God. growing over the centuries and finally smashing “He spits hot steel, see the kids fall down” world tyrannies. We can look back over the was surely a conscious way of describing several centuries and see clearly how widening acceptance verses in Revelation: of Jesus’ principles has created what we today call Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right “Western Civilization”, culminating in the United hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a States – however much more she needs to grow, sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was and although our wars have not generally been of as the sun shineth in his strength. // 2:16 Repent; conquest but to stop aggressors – we don’t start or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight wars but sometimes we finish them – world against them with the sword of my mouth. // tyranny has been reduced to cowering in the 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, world’s dark corners. My point is certainly not that with it he should smite the nations: and he that Jesus has already returned and is disguised as shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth President Trump, but only that the trajectory of the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of history has indeed been in the direction that Daniel Almighty God. // 19:21 And the remnant were 2 prophesied, and we can look to better things slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, ahead. which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all Let’s see, what do I have left? the fowls were filled with their flesh. My age It is to Plant’s spiritual credit, I think, that Is Plant a Christian when he addresses this image of Jesus slaughtering Biblewizard origin everybody, which gives God’s enemies, who mock I’m 2 years, 9 months older than Robert the description of God as “love” such delight, he Plant. We used to shoplift bubble gum together. places even this widely misunderstood image in a [No, wait; I’d better not start another internet context of reverence. He prays “To the light when rumor. Oops! Too late! It’s already started!] the spirit was born Bring this wanderer home.” Is Plant a Christian? Not that this is needed to interpret Plant’s That is one thing the Bible has taught me intention, but now that you have brought up the not to judge. I know that Christendom in general image, I want to mention that I am working on a has doctrinal “tests” where if you “confess” or book about the nature of Jesus’ Rule when He agree with certain statements, then it is assumed “comes again”. The verses above describe that you are a “Christian” and you will “go to Heaven”. reign. I had better not put my whole book in this Such hope is based on a superficial reading of comment stream, but I will just point out that the verses like Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess Bible’s description of a “two edged sword” is with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in NOT of a sword of steel, but of a sword thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, SHARPER than steel: one made of Truth. Steel thou shalt be saved. can only cut flesh; Truth can cut all the way But God warns us not to judge others

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 3 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” before God shows us “the REST of the story”: we have the capacity to judge. We have enough 1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing trouble reading our own minds, without toiling before the time, until the Lord come, who both over somebody elses’s. Fortunately God asks us will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, only to speak truth and to be true as appropriate to and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: the needs made known to us. and then shall every man have praise of God. “Biblewizard” origin. And Romans 2 talks about people who Let me reprint my answer from last August never heard of Bibles yet who are closer to God 16: than Bible scholars: August 16 4:34 pm William Benner Romans 2:13 For it is not by hearing the Who is BibleWizard?? Law that people are put right with God, but by doing what the Law commands. 14 The Gentiles Biblewizard response 8:30 pm do not have the Law; but whenever they do by Hi! Let me introduce myself. I’m Dave instinct what the Law commands, they are their Leach, from Des Moines, Iowa. I own the Family own law, even though they do not have the Law. Music Center which I inherited from my 15 Their conduct shows that what the Law grandfather who started it in 1922. commands is written in their hearts. Their When I started my Youtube channel, I consciences also show that this is true, since their needed a gmail account to log in. Someone else thoughts sometimes accuse them and sometimes had already stolen my name. I tried several ideas; defend them. 16 And so, according to the Good all were taken. Finally in frustration I thought I News I preach, this is how it will be on that Day needed to think of something crazy enough that when God through Jesus Christ will judge the nobody else would have thought of it, or would secret thoughts of all. want it if they had. Bingo! Biblewizard! So that Then there is the matter of “going to was my gmail prefix. Heaven”. The traditional assumption is that So then it was time to name the channel. I Heaven is unmitigated joy; no more correction entered “Biblewizard”. wouldn’t you know, it was there, while Hell is unmitigated misery – no more taken! So the channel is called hope there. But Hebrews 12 describes the essence youtube.com/user/biblewizard2. of God’s nature as “consuming fire”, which is When the name first occurred to me, I made a metaphor of God’s correction of those He thought, “this is presumptuous – arrogant – to loves. Mark 9:49-50 says “everyone shall be salted name myself a wizard about the Bible. I oughtn’t with fire”, and advises us to keep this “salt” within exalt myself like that.” But then I realized it was us always. The verses before describe the fire of the opposite: there is no honor attached to solid Hell as having only this difference: that there, the understanding of the Bible, but ridicule! Only fire is not “quenched”. “fanatics” study the Bible as much as I do! I wrote a book about these and other clues, Of course Bible scholars who get paid a lot called “Eternal Hell: Heaven’s Loving Purpose”. are left alone so long as they leave public issues It’s available at Amazon. A preview is at alone. But Bible students who don’t get paid at all, www.saltshaker.us/Hell-Fire. yet who splatter Scripture all over politics, like I The application of all this to Robert Plant? do, are the ultimate “fanatics” in the view of Look, Plant has done things which the probably most Americans. Bible links with Hell. But who hasn’t? Much So I wear the label partly as a badge of Protestant theology would simplify the issue into shame, kind of like the shame of the Cross, and “But did Plant ever say ‘Lord Jesus, I accept you partly because I think it sounds funny. into my heart’?” or some such verbal formula. The Hmmm. You know, it took me an hour and Bible tells me rather that God judges Plant’s a half to write this response. I always wonder, readiness to enjoy Heaven by what he says and when I spend so much time writing, who ever sees does IN RELATION TO WHAT HE KNOWS. it? (See also Luke 12:47-48.) This is way more than

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 4 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” April 25 2:51 pm Paul Kopacz and he says look I had an idea while I was sitting BibleWizard Thank you for the response in the bathroom // and forgive my misjudging your age but please This subject is irritated me for a long time take it as a compliment. I have often felt guilty of now how anyone could profess to give such liking the music of Led Zeppelin but the good nonsense such power it’s just a song man // feeling I get from it always outweighed the dread. And any fool knows you cannot buy a I am a Tolkien fan and the Tolkien mythos is stairway to heaven ...It is tongue and cheek but in heavy in the music which I really like. I like Led a very macabre way // Zeppelin for the ups and downs of the stories in And not on mobile phone with auto correct their music as well as Page's blusey rock guitar. I which will mangled up your words if you give it a play guitar too but rather poorly, now that I'm chance \\ retired I might pick it up again just for the sheer April 21 11:58 pm enjoyment of it. It seems to me that I did Phillip Frazier misinterpret the line in the song "Most High" and I think you hit the nail right on the head will not now feel guilty about liking the song. I and maybe that's why that one verse has all verse think that I will continue to view Robert Plant as a about Satan when you play it backwards is good man, light hearted and friendly as I think all because Satan had to spoil it one way or another of the group was. I does make sense to me that the cuz rock is his be dam to have positive message I Word of God is a Sword that speaks the truth that heard that part backwards and there's no way that cuts through all and "Spitting hot steel" would be a one whole verse says the exact punctuation other good analogy for that because sometimes the Truth words that he says about sad Satan the whole rest hurts, I get it now. I think I will subscribe to your of the song don't mean shit played backwards but channel and would like to converse with you over that verse and stairway to heaven meens six six six whatever topic you post about but I'm no Bible who would have ever thought that saying stairway scholar and cannot quote verse as well as you to heaven would sound like six six six certainly can. There is a verse that I do hold dear to my heart and actually had spoken at my April 20 3:54 pm Rick Venlo wedding "No greater love hath a man than this, to It just seems to me that your tongue in lay down his life for his friends". That is what cheek approach means to me that you really are Jesus did for us and in doing so took on and interested in knowing what it means and if it’s evil removed all sin from us that we may be forgiven. or not compelling all I can say Cheeky cheeky Thanks again and I look forward to future conversations, Paul. April 20 12:24 pm Rick Venlo 3:50 Biblewizard response: Bobby Bland was a brute copy of Janis My back yard is actually very long, so you Joplin Janets after self he was sad about it and have a choice of several neighbor’s houses to buy knew that she do to her self she was chasing where we can talk over the fence. rainbows and he wrote a poem It fit Bowie pointed Alternatively, you can email me at music at out if you want to go shopping make sure the saltshaker.us. shops are open absolutely right

April 20 12:15 pm Rick Venlo Now decipher my last message April 20 1:34 pm Rick Venlo How’s about some intellectual honesty April 12 12:55 pm Biblewizard response [Yes, the times given are the times I (Posted, but not forwarded to me by received the two messages from Venlo, even Youtube, about the same time:) though Youtube listed the first message reprinted They tried this nonsense with John Lennon above one minute BEFORE the second message]

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 5 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” So that I may be confident that yours was an actual message from a real person and not, as it The young Robert Plant was inspired enough to be appears, the output of a spam generator, please fix able to depict this in metaphorical terms your grammar and word choices. Give us a clear sentence. When given more time I shall write another small paper for you dear time contemporary friend “Here’s what it really means.” Rick April 20 1:05 pm Rick Venlo (Posted on Youtube about the same time Fine let me clarify this statement but Youtube did not forward a copy to me, so I discovered it much later) Robert Plant My friend the lyrics says if the stores are Clearly a talented young musician at the time all closed with the word she can get what she came Very enamored and inspired by the Delta blues for The most modern interpreter of the Delta blues at which she was used to getting in the better years of the time was Janis Joplin her life He clearly took his artistic girl cues from many She got everything she wanted except people but especially from Janice the way she when the night she killed her self she did so in a carried her self on the stage the way she dressed motel because her boyfriend did not come to visit and her attitude towards people of the world and her that night life. She died alone and sad From a British point of view, she was acting out a character role. The lyric further It is for this type of person Sometimes all of our thoughts as misgiven The young Brit Robert-comprehensible - Why such a charming young actress musician The pied piper would kill her self all for the sake of the character Called the children to drown them like rats. that she was acting out on stage it’s clearly only a roll and she could not differentiate between the Der Rattenfänger von Hammeln... two any longer why would such a talented Young woman takes such steps to achieve the next level The European children all knew this up into the of artistical existence.. twentieth century She must have noticed her mistake shortly after R she committed it That all said you are onto something here bro Therefore he says I should have stolen what I sold influences by The enemy of man clearly are he is speaking for Janis present in the world Now she has to be a rock that can a longer roll. King David was a musician That’s why we say don’t pay the river man But his son Solomon warned against musicians The artists that were wise enough to understand And it was either Plato Socrates who said clearly this killed off the character and not the actor that some types of music should be for bidden by law As in the case with David Bowies Ziggy Stardust But rabbinically suppression is not expeditious Janice made the greatest mistake we all know it rather one must learn to master these things by

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 6 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” also being exposed to them ??? Are you calling death “the next level of artistical existence” in her mind? Check gods discussion with Cain ?? Where do the Stairway lyrics talk about Where he told him you can master this STEALING what someone SOLD?

Thanks for the opportunity interested in for the April 20 3:15 pm Rick Venlo discussion have a great day I’ll say that I appreciate the openness RV // towards and object of you poetry and metaphors We all make mistakes that our weak moments are difficult ground to walk on we have to be able Stolen what I sold to differentiate between objectivity and clearly stealing is a lesser sin than killing by subjectivity I appreciate the questions and I will negligence ponderA response that somehow I will represent my take on these type of things 3:16 - I noticed that AutoCorrect altered She should have betrayed the voices in her head my text even after proofreading changed it just as I Stolen back what she foolishly “sold” or gave was sending that I apologize away (April 17, a profane comment was posted that I A simple sin of self indulgence removed. By the way, Youtube did NOT email me a copy of the profane comment.) There were a series of very complex unfortunate circumstances surrounding that poor tragic young woman’s life that led her to let it all go // April 16 4:36 pm OBad Hauzel Does any one realize the picture in the back begging of the video no Jesus but in the middle of the video it's shows

Attacking the Bible. (indirectly) April 20 3:00 pm Biblewizard response: April 12 6 am Iyad Almani Interesting. The part that made sense, that I am a Moslim and you have no is. October, 1970, Janis Joplin killed herself. Late understanding of islam, thats enough for me to 1971, Stairway To Heaven released. So you know you are just writing nonsense starting form theorize that the Stairway composer had Janis in your accusation that we Moslrms believe we end mind. Which is vaguely reflected in the lyric about in heaven through torture and Muder. That is your being a rock but not to roll. speculation and it contradicts with Islamic I can imagine how, also, the opening lyrics scripture and you may never bring any reference might describe a druggie “buying” a high, which from the scriptures to aid your accusation unless she tragically equated with Heaven. “When she you have a good misunderstanding if it supported gets there she knows all the stores will be closed” by hatred for Moslems. might well describe how highs so often result in death. “With a word she can get what she came April 12 8:32 pm Biblewizard response for.” Well, there the applicability ends, so far as You would give me greater comfort if you my poor imagination can take me. would address a few of the Scary Surahs and show You theorize that she was “playing out a me how you are able to interpret them in a way character role”. You don’t identify a character; that does NOT order you to kill me as quickly and perhaps you mean the stage persona that she made as brutally as possible. Perhaps you can give me up. As if that wasn’t the “real her”. You theorize comfort which other Moslems have been unable that she died for the sake of that character. Is there to. any basis for this idea?

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 7 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” One of my attempts to seek comfort from first, second and third 'heavens' etc, most of those Moslem leaders about the Scary Surahs, to see if relate to space, the solar system, the galaxy etc), they could interpret "The Scary Surahs" in a way heaven in reality is another dimension, a spiritual that would not terrify Christians, resulted in this realm, but not all other dimensions are heaven. Youtube video: https://youtu.be/cQRxbmBRjNU Then there is the transient joy of material wealth, Before that, I invited an Imam into my which is a form of delusion/madness. In brief, one home for an hour long meeting with a few friends experience is basically ET/PD contact, the other is to learn his response to my concerns. He didn’t contact with the creator of the universe/universes, address the surahs, but commissioned the two God', the other is our transient earthly life. Several students he had brought with him to respond to me religions seem confused by such concepts and yet by email later: they didn’t. various written works, archeological facts make I have decided to post my copy of the such clear for those who have eyes to see and ears Koran, with my notes about it, at to hear. www.Saltshaker.US/ScaryVerses.pdf. Here are the categories of excerpts which precede the complete “Here’s what it really means.” Koran text: March 22 10:53pm kris4408 Major themes of the Koran it's a music abstract like abstract art it's If you believe God has a Son you must die whatever you want to make it Jesus was not crucified No Freedom of Religion allowed No Forgiveness March 5 11:15 pm Robert Hunter Why it is impossible for God to have a Son Coverdale Rape, incest, sex slaves, prostitution we must never translate songs as it appears advocated – TERROR FOR WOMEN written to us and we should must to learn how to Christians and Jews must be dehumanized interpret and not to translate messages , as he said and slaughtered – THE SCARY SURAHS you know sometimes words have 2 meanings Abrogation – the ‘peaceful” surahs inspired by Satan are canceled by newer, updated verses says the Koran! March 3 2:05 am Robert Serafin Don’t make friends with Christians! The Beatles originally wrote & performed “A Common Word” - a Moslem Public late '65-'66 . The video is on you.tube Relations effort to make the Koran seem peaceful February 23 3:55 am Female Human “It’s a joke, son.” LSD GUYS!!!!! April 1 3:11 pm Daniel Hernandez Only this dude knows the meaning...and no February 22 8:42 pm Dwayne Neal one else, not even the composer (Robert Plant) ? If led zepplin cant even explain the song, Haha. some stronger force help come up with it. “Here’s what it really means.” “It’s a joke, son.” March 29 6:52 am Muso Seven February 16 2:19 am Robert Shuping A stairway to heaven is Jacobs Ladder, a "...yet no one knows what this song is step pyramid etc. There is the etheric version and about, except me." This is nothing but a the material version. In other words the heavenly presumptuous, ill-informed, hyperbole comment creator (spiritual intelligent creator force) or the by a provincial Christian egotistical Baby Boomer. ET/Pan dimensional gods. One it may be possible It's already been commented on by Plant, and to be bought the other cannot, in the conventional sometimes in a cheeky way that seems to be lost way, be bought (there are various versions of the

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 8 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” on thick septic yanks. The meanings of the lyrics January 5 2:38 pm LoneWolf are obvious to those of us who are initiated. Praise Oh how u Christians twist the words for Satan! And pass the Christians, uh, I mean your own meaning. The Piper is Satan but just so u vegetables... know, his tune is to guide us to the real paradise, not God's fake promise of heaven. Join the Piper February 13 11:07 am Frank Sturt and u will see the true light. Well that was almost intesting

“Here’s what it really means.” February 9 9:25 pm Marnie Louk 2019 The Stairway is in your head and the meaning will always elude you!!! December 30 7:35 pm Dorth Lytwyn Christ wishes he was as popular as Led February 9 9:24 am Marnie Louk Zeppelin, or the Beatles. This song has done what Robert Plant set out to do which is to keep you pondering the December 25 1:13 pm Stan Donnie meaning!!! To be a rock and not to roll ! Awesome lyrics. The musicianship and the emotional February 6 12:07 pm Milton Borrows phrasing that went into this song captivated so i'm sure the band who wrote 'spirit' ; taurus many hearts and opened the imagination of many. would have their own unique interpretation as well? December 24 2:58 pm aFreeman0409 BibleWizard Given this wise understanding “Here’s what it really means.” of God using sources to spread His message January 11 3:21 am Lilly Taylor abroad among those that do not have a clue He is Such a powerful song and so spiritual. doing it, consider that He also used Spielberg (and Could be about how drugs, money, power, fame, others) to spread His message that most everyone etc. makes you feel. That's your version of (maybe you too?) missed. Heaven. But unfortunately those things only lead http://jahtruth.net/movies.htm May the you so far and you don't end up in any kind of Lord continue to open your mind. heaven. In the end your hands are empty. I think "your stairway lies on the whispering wind". Is, “It’s a joke, son.” well...... the opposite of Heaven and the piper is December 22 3:57 am Ken Hughes satan. He's the one that leads you down does dark I love part where he says no one knows roads where you feel like you're in heaven at first. what the song is about but him! This is a perfect I'm no bible thumper or anything but I do believe parody of know-it-all religious types or panic in Christ and God and I think those things don't spreading religious figures who see the devil lead you anywhere but destruction so that song is everywhere... Wait is this guy serious? saying it ALL. Since Jimmy Page was living in Aleister Crowley's house and Aleister Crowley is now dead he knows the truth. Maybe his spirit is December 20 5:38 pm Rob Sommers the one that made Robert Plant write the song to Your not the only one who knows and let everybody know..... cut the shit. Or you're exactly who and where it comes from. Skin suits gonna regret it. That's just my opinion.. are easily possessed just who is doing the possession. The mystery is everywhere. Wisdom is “Here’s what it really means.” revealed

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 9 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” December 6 11:48 am paul hoey OnixTV Pure bollocks. Thank you, it is a great song indeed.

November 27 4:42 am OnixTV “Here’s what it really means.” November 17 12:12 pm Thank you, it is a great song indeed. MORCOPOLO0817 November 20 4:45 pm OnixTV I know what it is about because my life's How did you use the song without getting a experiences have led me to it's understanding. All copyright strike or claim? of the carnal, physical and ego based passions of the this 3d reality will not lead us to God. Biblewizard Response November 20 Although what we all seek at the core level is a Very interesting question. It WAS removed union with God. This can only come on a spiritual for copyright violation for I don't know how long - level. But many of us are misguided and we are I wasn't notified - I only discovered it when I tried mesmerized by the glitter and glam of those things to share it with somebody. On Marcy 17, 2017, I manifested in form. But that which is supreme is contested the strike with this explanation: not manifest. " Out shadow is taller than our soul" "My commentary adds a completely new basically says that in our searching in the wrong dimension to the song's message, which is not so places for true happiness we create a big shadow much fiction as an analogy of very real world which is really just an illusion and it eclipses our events. And not just any ordinary world events, but spiritual development. " She's sure that all glitters those of the utmost importance to understand turns to gold." "Sometimes words have two correctly. The application of these analogies in the meanings", "....our thoughts are misgiving". Shows song are so obscure that even the composer admits our misguided actions in a world where we are he doesn't know. I have clarified it in a way that is searching for true and lasting happiness. "She's unique and original. I don't supposed I have buying a stairway to heaven": what we really need removed all controversy, but I have certainly and are truly looking for is not something of the contributed to the discussion. I have made no market. "My spirit is crying for leaving": He kows attempt to monetize my work. I do not believe the that there is something greater than all of this effect of my work will reduce profits for the "glitz and glow". "I have seen the smoke through copyright owner but the opposite: I believe that to the trees": All things physical will burn. nothing in the extent there is any effect at all, it will be to this world will last and you cannot take your rejuvenate interest in the song. earthly possessions with you. " The piper will lead "I have a good faith belief that the claim(s) us to reason": Our inner voice of reason or God described above have been made in error, and that will show us what really matters. " A bustle in I have the right(s) necessary to use the contents of your headgerow" That is the spiritual awakening my video for the reasons I have stated. I have not that shakes us at our core. It is the uncomfortable knowingly made any false statements, nor am I experience when our word is turning upside down intentionally abusing this dispute process in order and presents us with a great opportunity to change to interfere with the rights of others. I understand our outlook and thinking: "Your head is humming that filing fraudulent disputes may result in and it won't go...", There's still time to change the termination of my YouTube account. I understand road you're on". "Your stairway lies on the that my video will be viewable by the claimant(s) whispering wind": the things in this world that she so that they can review my dispute. seeks are temporal and fleeting. "And if you listen Signature very hard The tune will come to you at last When Without any further dialog with anybody, the all are one and one is all To be a rock and not to video was restored. roll. " Listen to your inner voice and find what is

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 10 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” important. Be truly strong on the inside ( to be a makes me wonder And it's whispered that soon, If rock). Don't worry about all the glits and glamor: we all call the tune ( A whisper is the word of "...and not to roll" This last line, " .. and not to man. Any song or tune is the word of God) Then roll" basically points out that we may not be the piper will lead us to reason (Jesus will lead us popular and liked by other people in this world by to reason) And a new day will dawn (On the return our fancy actions and popular deeds of of Christ) For those who stand long (For those achievemnt, or performances that garner's who hold their beliefs) And the forests will echo attention and accolades from the masses but our with laughter (The people of God will Rejoice) If strength is internal. there's a bustle in your hedgerow (If your faith is being challenged) Don't be alarmed now (Don't “Here’s what it really means.” worry) It's just a spring clean for the May queen November 15 7:51 pm Charlie (It's Growing pains. Mary will precede the coming of Christ) Yes, there are two paths you can WhiteSky go by (Good or Evil) But in the long run There's I believe it's about how money corrupts the still time to change the road you're on (There's soul always time to find your way to God) And it makes me wonder Your head is humming and it “Here’s what it really means.” won't go (The words of Jesus are making sense) November 5 11:43 pm Hugh Reilly In case you don't know The piper's calling you to join him (Jesus is calling you to join him) Dear At the beginning, the flute is the word of lady, can you hear the wind blow (Wind blowing is Jesus. There's a lady who's sure (Many people are people talking so mankind, can't you hear the sure that heaven is here on earth) All that glitters is words of your fellow man?) And did you know gold (the treasures on earth look like the key to Your stairway lies on the whispering wind (Your happiness) And she's buying a stairway to heaven salvation lies in prayer) And as we wind on down (material goods) When she gets there she knows the road (As we get older) Our shadows taller (mankind is arrogant) If the stores are all closed than our soul (Our actions are more important than (no matter what she won't admit she's wrong) With our soul.) There walks a lady we all know a word she can get what she came for (just cause (Mankind has made it to heaven) Who shines mankind says they are saved, they think they will white light and wants to show (Mankind is be) Oh oh oh oh and she's buying a stairway to shining white with purity) How everything still heaven (or at least she thinks she is) There's a sign turns to gold (It's your actions and suffering that on the wall (This song, on the Billboard charts) turns to gold) And if you listen very hard (To the But she wants to be sure 'Cause you know wind and song) The tune will come to you at last sometimes words have two meanings (The words (You will understand the meaning of the word of of this song) In a tree by the brook (Trees are God) When all are one and one is all (At the end of God's people, the bird is the holy spirit) There's a time) To be a rock and not to roll (To get to heaven songbird who sings (The song is the word of God. be firm in your beliefs, do not roll with the times) This is John the Baptist) Sometimes all of our And she's buying the stairway to heaven (Now thoughts are misgiving (John says repent, your you are buying the stairway for other people with instinctual thoughts mislead you) Ooh, it makes your suffering) Your Welcome. me wonder (all mankind wonders what the truth is) Ooh, it makes me wonder There's a feeling I get When I look to the west (Christianity) And my “Here’s what it really means.” spirit is crying for leaving In my thoughts I have seen Rings of smoke through the trees (The October 30 3:02 pm Stephen Dennis suffering of God's people) And the voices of those God does not communicate to us with who standing looking ( Good people who do 'automatic writing'. Only Satan does that. The nothing) Ooh, it makes me wonder Ooh, it really lifestyle that they were 'enjoying' and their state of

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 11 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” soul and mind does not in the least lend to the played in "From Hell" enlisted in the London interpretation that they received the lyics from Police on January 5, 1863. 106 years later Led God. Any 'Lady' who thinks that the way to heaven Zeppelin and the Grateful Dead were performing can be bought, is akin to Simon Magus who was in San Francisco the night the Antichrist was born condemned by the Apostles for a similar sinful January 5, 1969. Eighteen thousand landslides heresy. To me, she represents the spirit of occurred on January 5, 1982 that killed 33 in San paganism, Lilith. And opposed to Her blasphemy Francisco on the 49th anniversary of the start of is Our Lady, Mother of God and Queen of Heaven. the Golden Gate Bridge which also coincided with Protestants should never try to interpret Sacred Marilyn Mansons 13th birthday. On January 5, Scriptures. That is the work of the Catholic Church 2018 Manson turned 49 and the Kodovar volcano only. Pray the Holy Rosary and wear the Brown erupted for the first time in recorded history. Scapular. Time is short. Philadelphia is one of the 7 churches of Revelation. The Eagles won there first Superbowl October 28 3:39 am schoondog86 in 2018. Philly to Canton Ohio is 333 miles as the crow flies. Canton is where Manson was born and I think you were right in general and had is home of the football Hall of Fame. Canton to some nice insights. However, I think the song is Chicago is 333 miles as the crow flies. This adds full of metaphors and similes which one has to up to the 666 the number of the beast. Chicago is interpret with a religious mindset to understand. I where Anton Lavey published the satanic Bible the have loved the song for years but never truly heard same year Manson was born. They became friends the meaning behind the words until recently. The after first meeting at the “Black house” in SF only other song that I feel has a religious meaning where Anton founded the church of Satan. behind the song is " I'm a believer" by the Alcatraz is named the Rock which stands for Peter Monkees I think you were spot on about the the Rock Jesus's best friend. When the Birdman of "piper" and his "tune" being Satan/ evil . I think Alcatraz died he was buried in Metropolis the "lady we all know" is Jesus. Jesus has been Superman's hometown. The steel used to build the referred by many to resemble a lady. "There's a Golden Gate is Bethlehem Steel named after lady who's sure all that glitters is gold, And she's Jesus's hometown. Metropolis is 333 miles as the buying the stairway to heaven."-> Jesus knows crow flies from Ft. Wayne my hometown. San every human soul is invaluable and Jesus is buying Francisco is named for the same Saint that the the stairway to heaven(for all). 2nd vrs- When pope chose his papal name to be. The flag of SF is Jesus gets to Nazareth, if the churches are all of the Phoenix, a mythical bird who is associated closed, Jesus knows that she can save all the souls with Jesus because of its ability to resurrect. In the with the Word of God. etc... 1962 movie "the Birdman of Alcatraz" the first bird he saves is a sparrow which he names Jack. October 23 11:17 pm Bob Sloan In Pirates of the Caribbean Johny Depp plays Your right. You can believe anything on Captain Jack Sparrow. Johnny Depp, the Birdman faith. You say God is not real. Nobody can prove of Miami, and Birdman the rapper are all named this either way. Real or not, I believe through Christopher. Birdman the movie was originally hearing which is faith. It is hard for me to written to involve Johnny Depp. Depp is best understand not believing. It all depends on the friends with Marilyn Manson who In 1996 said individual and what they are brought up with. "Hopefully I will be remembered for the one who Since you don't believe, where is the proof he is brought an end to Christianity." That same year he not real? released "Antichrist Superstar." I was born on January 27, 1980 and the Birdman was born on “You’re insane.” January 28, 1890. On January 28, 1986 the space October 17 10:27 am Nick Giant shuttle Challenger exploded killing all 7 on board including a school teacher named Christa. Every Frederick Abberline who Johnny Depp ten year anniversary since people who has had a

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 12 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” Of course, there are 'words' that are supposed to October 13 4:39 am Luisito Nastor restrain America, as you rightly point out with reference to the Constitution. But that is the point I think the song has no meaning and no I am making: this Constitution causes America to connection to what the bible written. doubt the aggression of its foreign policy, but, as the song points out, "words have two meanings", October 12 11:53 pm Russ Pearson and so words intended to foster peace can be uhmmm, a lot of time spent looking up twisted to justify the very opposite. At the time of bible verses to sort of match the lyrics. I was a the Vietnam war there was a huge protest teenager when this song came out. I think the movement among the young, and expressed general idea was that plant had taken some mad through popular and rock music. Whether such acid, and simply wrote down the words that came musicians can justify their moral position or not, is to mind. The beatiful thing about the song is that it not the point. They saw themselves as "the piper" has no real meaning, ( plant said himself he who "will lead us to reason" and away from the strugles to understand what he wrote) ,. Everbody irrationality and insanity of what they saw can put their own spin on what the lyrics say and happening in South-East Asia. You need to mean, all yu gotta do is know the words. explain who this lady is whom "we all know". My interpretation explains this perfectly. One other “Here’s what it really means.” thing: this lady "we all know" ... "shines white September 30 2:25 pm aFreeman0409 light". Look at the Statue of Liberty lit up at night. Again this fits. And the music also is ascending from A up to to G, a stairway or is it the ladder Jacob saw? “Here’s what it really means.” [Followup to September 29 7:11 pm aFreeman0409] September 30 9:04 am Al Gray Claiming that this is the TRUE “Here’s what it really means.” interpretation of the lyrics is just pure vanity. Let September 30 1:30 pm Al Gray me say that I have found a way to interpret this song as nothing more than a protest song against Is there actually a correct interpretation? American foreign policy at the time of the Vietnam The point of much art is that we make of it what war. Is this the correct interpretation? Of course we will. The song talks about "a lady we all not, but it fits the words like a glove. know". So this 'lady' is world famous - known to The lady represents greedy America everyone. This is a 'lady' who is obviously (Statue of Liberty) trying to buy its own paradise extremely wealthy and who thinks that she can on earth for itself (and if it can't, it uses the threat buy paradise on earth, and if she cannot buy it, of military force: "with a word she can get what then she can "with a word get what she came for". she came for"). The sign on the wall can be a So we have a world famous lady, who is extremely reference to the American constitution which 'she' wealthy, and who can obtain her paradise either (America) reinterprets to justify war and with wealth or with a mere 'word'. Clearly this oppression of other nations ("words have two 'word' must be a threat of overwhelming force. meanings"). Clearly therefore the 'lady' represents an extremely The reference to the piper concerns calling powerful economic and military entity. One of the the younger generation to follow the lead of symbols of America is the lady, known as the contemporary music to protest against the evils of 'Statue of Liberty'. This statue may represent material greed. liberty, but it also represents America in the eyes The smoke in the forest could refer to war. of the world. The fact that the song is about "a Etc etc.... I can make the whole thing fit. Does lady we all know" rules out any obscure that make my interpretation correct? Absolutely mystical identification of this person. This song not. was written during the horrors of the Vietnam war.

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 13 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” with simpler phones, smaller TV’s, older cars, Biblewizard response, Sept 30, 1:05 pm lower paying jobs, smaller or tattered homes? I presume you are reacting to my video, What contemporary songs convict our consciences without having read my written introduction under for coveting physical sexual pleasures without it. That introduction should address your concerns responsibility, or expensive physical substances about my “vanity”. promising escape from all responsibility? You say both your interpretations and mine A long time ago I stopped learning all the are “obviously” “incorrect”. That is logically latest songs because such wholesome, impossible unless there exists, somewhere, some responsibility-affirming, selfishness-denying songs criteria of what is “correct”. I am interested in were so rare. I found a few, but so few that YOUR view of what those criteria are. My written slogging through all the muck to find them became introduction addresses this problem where an too tedious. Are they less rare now? I will author professes ignorance of what he means. appreciate a few titles so I can add them to my As for your interpretation: repertoire. Liberty & Greed? I can’t imagine how the By far the most thoughtful and detailed Statue of Liberty represents greed, or trying to buy application of the metaphors of “Stairway to anything. Liberty requires the opposite: self Heaven” to reality, in all these 425 comments to restraint from committing crimes, reducing the date, was just posted yesterday by need for an army of police, motivated by respect “aFreeman0409”. I enthusiastically recommend it. for each other and a spirit of service to each other. Constitution and Military Aggression? I 1:30 pm can’t imagine how the U.S. Constitution encourages, in any way, aggression towards other Al Gray nations. The opposite: it keeps a permanent Is there actually a correct interpretation? The standing army from being controlled by our point of much art is that we make of it what we national executive. War must be agreed to by will. The song talks about "a lady we all know". Congress, which can be replaced by the people So this 'lady' is world famous - known to every two years, so was must have popular everyone. This is a 'lady' who is obviously support. And officers of the states’ national guards, extremely wealthy and who thinks that she can which are relied upon for any major aggression, buy paradise on earth, and if she cannot buy it, are commissioned by their own state governments. then she can "with a word get what she came for". The authors of our Constitution carefully So we have a world famous lady, who is extremely explained how these measures would restrain the wealthy, and who can obtain her paradise either use of the military against our own citizens, and with wealth or with a mere 'word'. Clearly this would virtually eliminate the opportunity of wars 'word' must be a threat of overwhelming force. of aggression not justified by the people. Clearly therefore the 'lady' represents an extremely U.S. history offers no clear examples of powerful economic and military entity. One of the where this has not worked out. There have been symbols of America is the lady, known as the minor military actions whose merits are arguable, 'Statue of Liberty'. This statue may represent which no imaginable Constitution could have liberty, but it also represents America in the eyes prevented, but major actions, which our of the world. The fact that the song is about "a Constitution was designed to bridle, have never lady we all know" rules out any obscure mystical been aggressive but always defensive, often in identification of this person. This song was defense of others, and have never been for the written during the horrors of the Vietnam war. Of purpose of spoil or land for ourselves. course, there are 'words' that are supposed to Contemporary music protests against restrain America, as you rightly point out with material greed? reference to the Constitution. But that is the point Oh? What music is that? What songs have I am making: this Constitution causes America to you heard that encourage Americans to be content doubt the aggression of its foreign policy, but, as

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 14 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” the song points out, "words have two meanings", well understand the irrational self-imposed limits and so words intended to foster peace can be on our side that made the war last much, much twisted to justify the very opposite. At the time of longer. Nor did I understand, as it closed down, the Vietnam war there was a huge protest that militarily, we won, but it was our politicians movement among the young, and expressed who surrendered the souls of the South through popular and rock music. Whether such Vietnamese to their freedom-denying oppressors, musicians can justify their moral position or not, is after we militarily won. not the point. They saw themselves as "the piper" So yes, as you say, America was widely who "will lead us to reason" and away from the accused of being rich and aggressive, and rock irrationality and insanity of what they saw music at the time was, much more than now, anti- happening in South-East Asia. You need to materialistic and certainly anti-war. explain who this lady is whom "we all know". My When you spoke of “contemporary music”, interpretation explains this perfectly. One other I thought you meant today’s music, which as I thing: this lady "we all know" ... "shines white replied does not strike me as anti-materialistic in light". Look at the Statue of Liberty lit up at night. any sense. But the music contemporary with Again this fits. “Stairway to Heaven” certainly was. Therefore I certainly see correlation Biblewizard response: 2:12 pm between some of the metaphors of “Stairway to Fascinating. In all these 3 years or so since Heaven” with popular images then of America and I created this video and have enjoyed all this our current war. Much of those images were a lie, interaction, it never occurred to me to distinguish but the correlation is there. between the correlation of these metaphors with At least with the few metaphors we have reality, and the correlation of these metaphors with discussed. It would be interesting to explore ALL reality as Robert Plant likely perceived it at the the metaphors from this perspective and see if any time. I just figured since Plant disavowed any more will fit. knowledge of what he meant, what he meant Of course, until the point where Plant or wasn’t a factor in interpreting the application of Paige ADMIT any of these themes were on their the metaphors. minds, we can only speculate, and I think it is But in light of what many of us thought, more useful to explore the correlation of these during the Vietnam war, your point is well taken. metaphors with reality, than with the lies told 50 Even though I was drafted and served in years ago and the extent to which Plant or Paige the Air Force band, neither the Air Force itself nor believed them. our media equipped me with the facts that justified our involvement there. We all knew about the hideous tortures of our captured troops by the Viet Really deep theology. Cong – torture not worthy of civilized peoples, and September 29 7:11 pm aFreeman0409 I should have considered that if they treated us that THE ALL powerful Creator, King, and Ruler way, they must have treated South Vietnamese that of the universe, who has never ending love for each way. of us, will ALWAYS find a way to reach us (John Our media told us that although the North 3:16). It may also be in ways (and from places) that Vietnamese were corrupt, the South Vietnamese we may have never IMAGINED that He would. were just as corrupt so we shouldn’t have gotten in God's TELEPATHY (...Thy Will be done, on Earth as the middle. it is in Heaven...Hmm; The Kingdom is ALWAYS at hand - we just have to learn how to listen (thus to One fact I did not learn until years later pray: which means Ask, Seek, And Knock) to His was the assassination campaign of the Viet Cong TUNE [WILL]). The entire universe obeys His laws: against South Vietnamese elected leaders. As soon Why should we be any different? Arrogance? Satan? as South Vietnamese elected a leader, the Viet Thy will, not my will. Sound familiar? PS I wonder Cong would assassinate him, or try. That justifies a how many people have heard this song? There's a defensive war, in defense of others. Also I did not lady (Eve/human) who's sure (arrogant) (Genesis

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 15 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” 3:6) All that glitters (physical materiality) is gold change the road you're on (to The Way). (false immortality) (Isaiah 64:6) And she's buying (http://www.jahtruth.net/wayad.htm) Ooh (Ouch) (eating the apple) a stairway (short cut) to heaven (why), And it makes me wonder (am I cursed?) ((D)evil's lie) (Rev 12:9, Koran 7:16) When (if) she (http://www.jahtruth.net/blescur.htm) Your head is gets there she (assumes) knows If the stores humming** (ears ringing) and it wont go In case you (spiritual stores) are all closed (only sees physical) don't know (understand?), The Piper's (Christ) With a word (lie) she can get what she came for **calling you to join (follow) Him, Dear lady (human), (manipulation/cunning) Ooh, ooh, (naughty, naughty) can you hear the wind blow (spirit) (John 3:6) And and she's buying (mark of beast in the hand*) a did you know (the truth) Your stairway (salvation) lies stairway (wrong way) to heaven. on the whispering wind (in your Spirit/Being) (John (http://jahtruth.net/twh.pdf * page 63, 7.41) There's a 3:8) And as we wind on (falling on and off) down the sign (to reform) on the wall (before last day) (Koran road (The Way) (Psalm 16:11) Our shadow's 52:9-10) But she wants to be sure (ignores signs) (human) taller than our soul (Being) (unless we stick cause you know sometimes words have two to The Way) There walks a lady (temptation) we all meanings (doubt/confusion) (Koran 16:106-111) In know Who shines white light (physical light) and the tree (of knowledge) by the brook ( Eden ) wants to show (the wrong way) How everything still (Genesis 2:17) There's a songbird (stick to The Law; (tempts) turns to gold (false material wealth). And if tree of Life) who sings, (Deuteronomy 31:19) you listen very hard (telepathy/thoughts) The tune Sometimes (when we partake) all of our thoughts (God's voice) will come to you at last. When all are are misgiven (Satan's influence over them) Ooh one and one is all (your communication channel is (pain)(what), it makes me wonder, (on earth am I open, John 17:21,22) (http://jahtruth.net/twh.pdf doing here?) (see end) Ooh (how), it makes me page 78, 8:92-93) To be a rock (steady) and not to wonder (can I remember who I am?) (see end) roll (wavering) And she's (stubbornly, a "Canaanite" There's a feeling (intuition) I get When I look to the [a spiritual child of Cain, via Ham, which means west (sunset - last day) (Isles) (Isaiah 41:1) (Psalm "Materialist"]) buying (for a miserable price) (Koran 22:21) (http://www.jahtruth.net/britca.htm ) And my 16:116-117) a stairway (at the expense of mother spirit (being) (John 3:3-5) is crying for leaving (to go earth) to heaven (hell?) home**) (Rev 2:26-28) In my thoughts (spirit) I have seen (vision) Rings of smoke (home fires - heaven**) through the trees (difficulties), And the voices of those (angels) who standing looking (after us) (Mathew 22:30) (Psalms104:4) Ooh (where), it September 30, 2:20 Biblewizard Response: makes me wonder, (do I come from?) (Revelations Yours is by far the most thoughtful and 2:26-28) Ooh (what), it really makes me wonder. (is detailed application of the metaphors of “Stairway the meaning of life?) to Heaven” to reality, in all these 425 comments to (http://www.jahtruth.net/why.htm ) And it's whispered date. Most comments attempt no more than a (by God) that soon (this lifetime) (Luke 17:26-30) (Luke 21:20) (http://www.jahtruth.net/signs.htm ) If phrase about “what this song really means”, we all call (follow) the tune (God's Law) (Malachi addressing no more than one or two of the song’s 4:1-6) Then the Piper (Christ) (Luke 17:24-25) will many metaphors. One or two others have lead us to reason (salvation). And a new day (New addressed several metaphors thoughtfully; yours is Millenium) will dawn ("Thy (God's) Kingdom the only one that addresses all of them! (Government) come (on Earth)"- Lord's prayer) For I need a few more hours – maybe days – those (the elect) who stand long (hold faith to the before I can get all those references in the Bible end) (Solomon 3:9) And the forests (replenished and the Koran looked up and thought about. earth) will echo with laughter (Spiritual Joy) If there's a bustle (distraction) in your hedgerow (your “It’s a joke, son.” body/human) Don't be alarmed (fear) now, Its just a September 26 8:11 am Kevinism A way of life spring clean (removal) for the may queen (of Satan). Well I would just like to thank you for Yes, there are two paths (Satan or God ) you can go getting inside Robert Plants head & moving his by (free will) But in the long run (right up to The End) hand to write that song. It’s a timeless classic. There's still time (not much) (Luke 17:26-37) to

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 16 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” fundamentally religious and Catholic work, “It’s a joke, son.” unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the Biblewizard response 2:07 pm revision....The book is about the world that God Always glad to help. I would have simply created – the actual world of this planet." written the song myself – it would have been a lot Which God, he was asked? "The one, of easier – but I knew if it got out that it was written course!” by a Christian it would go nowhere. Lord of the Rings even quotes from the Lord’s Prayer “And lead us not into temptation but September 22 7:24 pm ernie green deliver us from evil” in connection with Frodo's John 3:36 ...( hath or not ? ) ....are you dead ...do struggles against the power of the One Ring. you HAVE salvation ? ...john 6:29 These quotes are from the Wikipedia article, “J. R. R. Tolkien’s influences”. More Biblical themes in “Lord of the Rings” are September 13 12:29 pm Gwapboy Hezzy documented in the Wikipedia article, “Themes of All mainstream music is demonic, especially the Lord of the Rings”. David Bowie So it should hardly be evidence that “Stairway to Heaven” is NOT about the Bible, to September 11 12:12 am Chris Smith point out that it is about “Lord of the Rings”. I agree. Also, one thing to note about weird It is Robert Plant’s loss that he was inspired backwards playback is probably complete by a work of fiction, but not by the Bible which coincidence but... If god moved his hand , Expect inspired that work of fiction. Ol scratch to be on the opposite end of it Tolkein’s epic is about the nature and perverting it in the “backwards playback” as usual. danger of power and the struggle between good and evil where much depends on the participation of “the little guy”. It is a metaphor of what the Bible calls the Last Days, and even a New Heaven “Here’s what it really means.” and a New Earth. September 11 Shaun W That is, notwithstanding Tolkein’s claim not really at all the pipper is calling you to that he disliked allegories, and his work is not one, join means the devil, no way around it and listen to which he stated in his introduction! That is a bit it backwards in this video, like Robert Plant saying he doesn’t know what his https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMR9DdYiA- song means. w&t=499s, It strikes me this song’s images actually plus the stairway on their ablum does not better match those of the Bible than those of the lead to light in heaven but the outter darkress of Lord of the Rings. I would certainly be interested The Hermit of the occult in a comparison, although in these hundreds of comments, there has been no comprehensive “Here’s what it really means.” analysis of either work. I would like to point out correlations not September 10 1:07 pm Coy Leigh noted in the Wikipedia article. Good grief!!! You people read more into this song. Here is what I wrote about this in January, Plant was reading The lord of the rings so a lot of with some additional thoughts: Zeppelins lyrics were influenced by those books. Tolkien was a Christian, a friend of C. S. Lewis, who infused his writings with Christian Waste of time!!! Click bait. themes. The very idea of associating power to kill and destroy with the “bad guys” - the ghouls of the Really deep theology. Lord of the Rings and the ring itself - is a concept Biblewizard response Sep 11, 8:30 pm of power not found outside Christianity and the The Lord of the Rings, Tolkein said, is "a cultures influenced by it.

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 17 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” The tyrants who scoured the world for The hobbit who carried the ring, at great victims were the HEROES of all other cultures; cost to himself and at great temptation to himself Hindu gods had weapons in their many hands, to use its power wrongly, is a good metaphor of emperors around the world were considered the temptation before Jesus, in Matthew 4, offered “gods”, and of course violence is how Muslims “the kingdoms of the world” by the use of Satanic aim for Heaven. By any but Christian values, the power. hobbits were subhuman whose bad karma made How does God resist what surely must be them so little, and the goblins were the heroes. no small temptation, to crush the world’s hard- “Power [to destroy] corrupts, and absolute hearted resistance to the Paradise and Heaven and power corrupts absolutely”, Lord Acton explained, Love that He offers at great cost to Himself, by a principle found nowhere else but in the Bible, brute, out-of-patience force? Why not just beat us and a principle well symbolized by The Ring. into submission, embrace us with hugs of love The solution to this cosmic problem given after all the fight has been knocked out of us, and in the Bible, and previewed by the founding of the drag us into Heaven, and remake our hearts into United States, is political power that is retained by Love Zombies? all the people, who choose their leaders but then That is the way Satan offered. That is watch over them and retain the power to unchoose Satan’s Modus Operandi. The very interpretation them. To the extent America has failed, the failure of “Koran” is the “Peace” of submission by has been of the readiness of people to watch over exactly such means, after the necks of those who their government, to pay attention to it, understand disagree have all been sliced off. issues, and inform and correct their “public Why all this free will and choice and power servants” as needed. to rebel that God tolerates? God models this kind of “power”. Though In 1 Samuel 8, the people chose a dictator holding all power to bless, create, and destroy, to replace the representative democracy (Republic) God surrenders most of the choice about how we that they had enjoyed for 400 years. (Deuteronomy live to ourselves, and does not pound us into 1:13 tells us that the system of judges who ruled submission or even common sense but suffers, the land were chosen by the people.) God told the Himself, that we might live. prophet Samuel to allow the people to give up Western Civilization is based on a “new freedom if they insisted, but to first warn the kind of power”, a new paradigm, a new definition people how dumb that was. God assured Samuel, of greatness, which Tolkien depicted in an epic “they have not rejected you, but they have rejected clash with the old, and which Jesus described me, that I should not rule over them.” succinctly: What an astonishing principle, found nowhere outside Judeo-Christianity and systems Luke 22:24 And there was also a influenced by Judeo-Christianity and barely contention among them, which of them grasped by Christians and Jews today: God should be accounted the greatest. 25 equates political freedom with worship of Him! Then he said unto them, The kings of And conversely, God equates our votes to the Gentiles exercise lordship over surrender our freedom to growing government them, and those that exercise authority power as rejection of Him! How seriously God upon them are called well-doers. 26 But values our political freedom! ye shall not be so, but he that is greatest To draw all this together: among you, let him be as the younger; In Matthew 4, Jesus was tempted to subdue and he that is prince, as he that doth kingdoms Satan’s way, which we understand from serve. 27 For who is greater, he that sits human history to mean by brutal force. Satan at the table or he that serves? Is it not he called that worship of himself and Jesus called that that sits at the table? But I am among the opposite of worshiping and serving the Lord you as he that serves. God. In 1 Samuel 8, God called a government

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 18 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” that subdues its people by police power rather than extent, it takes them from the Bible, the source of by the consent of the governed, as we call it in many of Tolkein’s images. America, a rejection of worship of God. In the Lord of the Rings, the power of the Attacking the Bible. ring is not the power to heal, or to understand September 8 9:10 pm Ed Zeppelin profound truths, or to persuade through great This video and these comments have eloquence, or to love, but to rule. To coerce. To do totally convinced me that dogmatic zealotry is still great evil. To kill. And to live forever, doing it. It poisoning minds all over the world. Religious is power only Satan would want. fantasy has to end. Demons my ass. Revelation calls Satan a “dragon”. Satan is like Gollum, who became a dragon through use of Biblewizard response Midnight: such evil power. Gollum fell into the great fire, If you think religion is “fantasy”, you are possessing his “precious” ring. Satan will be welcome in this comment stream to make your thrown into the Lake of Fire, possessing his evil case. designs. Revelation 20, I think. The fire destroyed You have a very difficult case to make, the power of the ring, and the Lake of Fire will though, to back up your insinuation that religion, destroy not only Satan but also Death itself! here, is “dogmatic”. You will find an interaction of “Our God is a consuming fire”, says views as robust here as I think you can find Hebrews 12:29! anywhere. You will find a few naughty words God possesses all power. But “God is censored here, but not even the most withering, Love”, in the words of 1 John. God so disciplines blasphemous criticism. Himself against employing His power to hurt us in The way to “end” false beliefs, here in any way, that He let people kill Him rather than America, is to refute them. To decree that they kill us. must “end” is what Communists and other Power can certainly be used for good. Jesus dictators do. In the Land of the Free, it sounds like promises us nearly infinite power, through faith, a threat. It sounds dogmatic. And not just to even move mountains! But God eventually pulls “dogmatic”, which means closed minded, but back power that we misuse to coerce or deceive. tyrannical – you would, to the extent you could, Ttoday we have great power because our nation is dictate the contents of all other minds. founded on God’s model of freedom and service, Christianity is alone among the world’s making our technology superior (opposite of religions and philosophies, including Tolkein where the demons had technology) yet we atheism/communism, in championing Freedom of can forget God and use our power for evil. Like Conscience. killing our own babies, or driving out refugees If you want religion to end, refute it. Do it fleeing certain death. right here. Good luck. A theme of the Old Testament is God making His People strong and secure while they Attacking the Bible. worshiped him and treated each other fairly, but September 9 6:58 am Ed Zeppelin taking away their protection, making them Not a difficult case to make at all. There captives like they had made others, when they are wildly different views of God throughout the think their own might made them great and they world and history. They are essentially mistreated each other. contradictory, therefore at best, only one of the I’m sure I couldn’t find correlation predominant Theistic ideologies is correct, and at between every detail of Lord of the Rings and the worst, as i personally believe, none of them are. Bible, because reason screams that obviously, the The idea that a being with the intelligence book by a man must be a less precise account of to create our universe would also mete out horrific eternal reality, than the Book by God. eternally agonizing punishment on his or her But to the extent “Stairway to Heaven” children I find flies in the face of my particular takes its images from Tolkein, then nearly to that

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 19 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” logic. You can run computers. Your car will start. But In the rational world, it is not incumbent you don’t have time to figure out if there’s a God upon me to prove anything. All makes colossal smart enough to talk?” claims that refute our physical evidence at hand,, (https://youtu.be/lKeOGRMqp24) and so far, offers no substantiation whatsoever But it is equally illogical to imagine there other than dogmatic "faith". It is precisely this is no God – that all we see around us created itself! practice of avoiding responsibility for our own As my second verse states: “Don’t you think you actions, and waiting for the "creator" to somehow can be seen through by God when you trust what achieve a cosmic balance, that I find repugnant. Darwin has solved? You won’t drive home a car Your claims about this song are certainly you found on the road, and then go tell the cops, strident but you deliver not one shred of tangible ‘It evolved!’ One little cell’s more complex by far evidence. I commend you for your choice of than some silly simple man-made car! If you’re allowing open debate, but I must ask if you have smart enough to dream that up, you’re smart nothing better to do than play Led Zeppelin songs enough to obey God! Deer tracks are simpler than backwards looking for some demonic conspiracy. one DNA. If hunters thought tracks ‘evolved’, deer would get away! Science would fizzle if scientists Really deep theology. solved experiments by saying their data Biblewizard reponse 9:30 am ‘evolved’!” Thank you for engaging! Your comments 3. HELL IS ILLOGICALLY CRUEL. It is are eloquent and reasonable, making it a delight to fascinating and significant that you appeal to “my take the three hours it has taken me, to address particular logic” to refute Hell, instead of to your them. sense of justice. I can’t imagine how logic, limited 1. RELIGIONS CONTRADICT. Thank to facts established by our physical sciences, can you for rejecting the nonsense that “all religions establish anything beyond death. are alike”. But an intuitive sense of justice can Your very reasoning that only one of certainly question Hell. But what can shape your several contradictory religions can logically be sense of justice, outside religion? If you are an “correct”, establishes that there is such a thing as atheist, your “sense of justice” is “survival of the “correct”. fittest”. To survive by the most heinous cruelty is Since what religion contributes to all other the modus operandi of governments based on human understanding is a glimpse beyond death, atheism. That certainly does not rule out Hell on and people generally like living, and our hope for the basis of its cruelty! meaning in this life along with our views of how What religion would nurture within you a to live are significantly affected by what we sense of justice that would make Hell unthinkable? believe is beyond death, you ask the unreasonable Not Islam! The Koran endorses horrific tortures on and impossible, that people stop searching for Earth, just for sincerely held disagreement about which religion is correct – which religion God, and its description of Hell makes the Bible’s accurately communicates what man can never description almost mild! learn through science and reason. It is the Bible, and no other literature or 2. NONE OF THEM ARE CORRECT. It is religion except to the extent it was influenced by illogical to imagine that there is a God but that no the Bible, that tells us the punishment should fit religion describes Him correctly. That would the crime, and not go beyond, and in fact should assume that God is not smart enough to talk be forgiven when the offender repents and would clearly. no longer benefit from correction. As a verse of one of my songs says: “Don’t One thing logic can do is note you think it’s just a bit rude to God, telling Him inconsistencies within a body of religious writing. you really can’t know if He exists or if He still That is what you have done by noting “The idea means the stuff the Bible says He said long ago? that a being with the intelligence to create our You’ve been to school. You think you’re smart. universe would also mete out horrific eternally

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 20 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” agonizing punishment on his or her children...” Predictions about the future: about 30% of Your criticism is specific to the Bible is prophecy. 8,352 verses include Judeo/Christianity, since that is the only religion prophecy. which calls humans God’s “children”. (https://study.com/academy/answer/what- (Technically, the Bible doesn’t call anyone percentage-of-the-bible-is-prophecy.html) Many in Hell God’s “children”, but only those who live are specific enough to be testable. Yet has any in Him. But it is common to loosely call everyone prophecy been proved to have been inaccurate? God’s “children” since we all potentially are, if we NO other religion, medium, fortune teller, or will accept God as our Father.) money market investor has a track record of Fortunately the Bible agrees with your accuracy! This alone ought to assure us, when we sense of justice. From my webpage read in the Bible about the afterlife, that the (http://saltshaker.us/Hell-Fire/) “12 Bible Reasons Bible’s knowledge is beyond the reach of human to Question Tradition” about my book, “Eternal science! Hell: Heaven’s Loving Purpose”: Evidence of resurrection from the dead: I “10. God gave no higher proportion, for review the evidence that Jesus rose from the dead how much greater Hell’s torments will be than any at http://saltshaker.us/BibleStudies/WhoRoseFromDead.pdf. sinner’s torments of others on earth, than ‘double’, It is overwhelming. Anyone who has the power to Rev 18:6-8, Isa 40:2, 61:7, Jer 16:18, 17:18, Zec rise from the dead can be trusted to tell us 9:12, or even less: ‘according to their works’, Pr accurately what is on the other side of death. He 24:12, Mt 16:27, 2Ti 4:14. Also Gal 6:7. And what can also be trusted to be smart enough to happens after ‘double’ has been paid? ‘Comfort, communicate clearly. O comfort My people,’ says your God. ‘Speak I hope you aren’t going to set forward, as kindly to Jerusalem; and call out to her, that her “physical evidence” that the Bible’s “claims” are warfare has ended, that her iniquity has been “colossal”, the Theory of Evolution. If my song removed, that she has received of the Lord's hand didn’t cure you of confidence in that God-forsaken double for all her sins.’ (Isaiah 40:1-2)” theory, check out answersingenesis.org. By no 4. THE BURDEN OF PROOF ISN’T ON means are they the first scientific refutation of ME. You think the burden should be on the evolution, but currently their website may have the “colossal claims” of religions “that refute our widest selection of resources. physical evidence...and...offers no substantiation”. 5. YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT THIS SONG No substantiation? Really? HAVE NOT ONE SHRED OF TANGIBLE Another unique thing about the Bible is EVIDENCE. What do you imagine I “claim” that it is testable. Man cannot test claims about the about this song? afterlife, but the Bible makes many specific claims I have made it as clear as I know how, both which scientists from many disciplines CAN test, in the introduction and in replies to comments, that and have tried unsuccessfully to disprove. the usual criteria for what a song “really means” - Archaeology: names and places, forgotten what the composer meant by them – are to recorded history outside the Bible, are routinely, inapplicable here since the composer professes almost annually, documented by new digs. ignorance. Scientific principles: a simple example is So what is left? the Water Cycle described in Ecclesiastes 1. Pretty The degree of correlation between the sophisticated grasp of nature for what we suppose metaphors of a lyric, and reality, or of some other of human science of the time. Another example: if literature. I have simply assembled Bible verses a critter crawls in a ceramic pot and dies, smash it, which this song’s metaphors remind me of, and I Leviticus 11:33; but a brass pot can be cleaned. find the correlation remarkable. Not only is there a Leviticus 6:28. Only recently have scientists correlation between each individual metaphor and shown us the germs which can’t be cleaned out of the individual verse with which I have linked it, an unglazed ceramic pot but which can be cleaned but there is a unifying theme connecting the verses out of a metal container. into a single train of thought, which in turn makes

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 21 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” unifying sense of the lyrics. Out of all these hundreds of comments, not August 27, 9:13 pm Pat King one comment has attempted to show a mismatch I am gonna admit, I often buy albums to between any of the correlations I allege. I find that play them backwards. remarkable, too. You want “evidence” that, what, my video Biblewizard response: 11:25 pm is what the song “really means”? There is no such I’m almost afraid to ask: what weird thing as what the song “really means”. When I say messages have you found in other music besides I am the first to really know what the song “really occultic rock music? For example, Christian means”, I hope at least most people will recognize music? I have been afraid to listen to, for example, that as humor – a parody of the hundreds of others “Amazing Grace” backwards. Have you listened to who claim their opinion settles the matter, but who classics, like by Bach or Beethoven, in German? then only address one or two of the song’s Or “Figaro”, in Italian, by Mozart? metaphors. I wonder what one might find listening that Throughout these comments I have way to “Jesus Loves Me”, “Mary Had a Little addressed this criticism in many ways. You can Lamb”, “Hot Cross Buns”, “Las Mananitas”, or find them all by going to my online pdf of these “Love and Marriage”? comments, and search for “Here’s what it really means.” Really deep theology. 6. STOP PLAYING SONGS BACKWARDS. You write, “I must ask if you August 25, 5:46 pm Majid Slyteen have nothing better to do than play Led Zeppelin those muslims stuff are not quite clear.. songs backwards looking for some demonic actually i was born and raised by a muslim family conspiracy.” but i barley understand what are these stuff you Where did you get that impression that I say about muslims.. there's something wrong about have ever done that, or based anything on it? From that and i don't think this song relate to any reading through the comments based on what is religious stuff.. cuz you know sometimes words imagined from playing songs backwards and not have two meanings noticing that they were not written by me, but that I was the one criticizing such methods? Biblewizard response, August 26, 7:23pm On August 27, when Pat King posted “I am You say “those muslims stuff are NOT gonna admit, I often buy albums to play them QUITE clear”? You mean they are almost clear but backwards”, I responded, “I’m almost afraid to not quite? ask: what weird messages have you found in other PLEASE put your thoughts into a question music besides occultic rock music? For example, or criticism about some specific message or Christian music? I have been afraid to listen to, for phrase, so I can answer you. I would love to talk example, ‘Amazing Grace’ backwards. Have you about it with you. listened to classics, like by Bach or Beethoven, in You say you were raised by a Muslim German? Or ‘Figaro’, in Italian, by Mozart? family. In Muslim nations that means you ARE a “I wonder what one might find listening Muslim, and where Islam is strong that means a that way to ‘Jesus Loves Me’, ‘Mary Had a Little death penalty for leaving Islam – to be carried out Lamb’, ‘Hot Cross Buns’, ‘Las Mananitas’, or by the government or your family. But “i was born ‘Love and Marriage’?” and raised by a muslim family” implies a contrast between how your were raised and your status now. So it will help me to know, if you respond September 7 7:15 pm Tor q mada 322F again and I try to answer, whether I should write DNA eliptic stairway to nowhere, again as to someone thoroughly familiar with the Koran. and again, forever and ever. Muslims and Christians have this in common:

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 22 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” many have little knowledge of what they claim as religion forced you.. and this is terrorism which Scripture, leaving the details of what they believe you call it Islam AND i don't care about religions to be shaped as much by social media, which they in general.. but i still think that Stairway to Heaven consume every day, as by direct reading, which has nothing to do with Christians or Muslims might be more like once a month! It might also help to know if your Biblewizard response: 12:18 am Aug 27th: background is either Shia or Sunni. The images in So you live in Syria now? I would sure like my video, of the Kaaba, are of course in Sunni to understand what is happening there. Our news Saudi Arabia. (Ruled by Wahhabism.) Sunnis and tell us that Assad is a ruthless dictator. Christian Shias have some differences in their beliefs about missionaries don’t dispute that, but say under the Last Days. Assad, Christians have more freedom and safety than in other Muslim-dominant nations. Your statement that there is no death penalty for leaving Majid Slyteen August 26 8:10 pm Islam is consistent with that. sir you had a huge misunderstanding i hope you Your English seems as good as that of the didn't mean to make feel like your words were average U.S. citizen. racist i said : "i actually i was born and raised by a You say “you may have 20 meanings for muslim family but i barley understand what are every single Sura”. I haven’t read the whole Koran these stuff you say about muslims" what you said but I’ve read the Suras that Al Queda and other about muslims is not clear for me cuz 1- English is terrorists quoted – what I call “the scary verses”, not my first language 2- i felt something creepy for any Christian – and I can’t imagine any about it when it's related to song like Stairway to interpretation of them that could make any non- heaven i'm from Syria we have no kaaba we have Muslim feel safe and free in a country like Iran, or no death penalty cuz i'm not following any religion Pakistan, or Iraq, or Yemen. and here i am alive and well what is happening is : I interviewed some Moslems about “The you watch the news you see muslims kill people Scary Verses”. See and practicing terrorism and you match that with https://youtu.be/cQRxbmBRjNU what you know in\about the Qura'an we (Syrians) But I will appreciate any comfort you can have been their and you say right away "Death to give me. Islam" well let me tell something about the Your first comment asked for clarification Qura'an: when you read it in ARABIC you may about Moslem allusions in my video. I asked you have 20 meanings for every single Sura inside for specific questions so I could respond, but all (this is basically what made me stop believing in you said in your second comment was that you it) and every body take the meanings that fits into don’t think the song is about ANY religion. his desires while Qura'an was written from 1439 Which seems a strange position to take years ago you can't expect it to be understood about a song whose title includes the word while muslims are pretending that they understand “Heaven”. it this is what basically what parted Islam into 73 I can’t imagine how any facts I state about parts not only Sunna and Shia.. well yeah.. Islam could be construed as “racist”. Islam is not a everyone want something so he explains the race. Qura'an as he wants so some people follow him.. this happened 73 times and Islam unlike Christians they don't update their holy book so let me tell you Majid Slyteen what i see it's the truth the terrorist is a terrorist no well here i can tell you that the news and the matter what religion he follwos the bad person can situation are not very similar... thou i can't tell.. i'm make a good word mean a bad meaning if he in a safe area near the Russian base on the coast.. needs to Qura'an is just a book after all Islam is this area is known for being loyal to Al- just a lie after all when you want to hurt me you Assad..which is another thing i'm out of.. but yes i will hurt me.. no religion will stop you.. and no can tell that christians, muslims, and people like

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 23 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” me are living a very normal life before the war and even now.. but life in usual is hard here which Biblewizard response Aug 27 8:15 am make the hate based on questing for sources of Well Peace be upon you, too. Or as we good life which is almost impossible.. about what Christians say, God bless you. you called the scary verses.. it comes back to what I agree that “they don't deserve to be i said earlier.. just like this song every one has his mentioned like killers”. My video isn’t about own explanation for it.. so does the Qura'an.. but Moslems, that I recall, but there are allusions to in your position you have to read translated so that Islam. It notes rather remarkable similarities is very depended on the translator.. that will lead between phrases of “Stairway to Heaven” and the me to talk about the Arabic language in general Kaaba and surrounding buildings. And what I have which is another whole story cuz it's very said about the “scary verses” outside the video, I complicated which make understanding the would not expect to apply so much to the Moslems Qura'an and taking laws and rules out of it is you know, living in Syria under Assad. something impossible.. to be honest when you read In your first comment I understood you to it you receive some meaning then you ask some question what I meant by the Islam allusions. Now different 'Experts' about it and they gave you you say it’s the Bible references that are hard to different answers .. later you realise that everyone understand. The Bible references are unfamiliar to is giving the answer he likes.. that's another story probably the majority of Christians, too. There and it's very complicated.. other countrys i know certainly is a robust segment of Christianity today the same.. death penalty and the other scary and that studies “eschatology”, or end-times (“last tyrant stuff which the government here consider days”) Bible prophecy. They produce popular themselves as the flag of this cause against those books and even movies. Yet the majority of terrorists.. so they fight them inside the Syrian churches and even denominations hardly ever land.. and they despise them on the Syrian media.. study those portions of the Bible. but no one is innocent i assure you.. it's war it's Again, if you can think of a specific politics it's dirt.. no one clean.. about racism i'm question or objection I would love to try to address telling you any muslim reads that will consider it it. racism.. yes Islam is not a race.. nor any other It is a rare blessing to be able to religion but let's take the fact that muslims are a communicate with someone from your part of the billion humans in consider and think.. when we world. Now that ISIS has been driven back, Syria abuse thier religion we abuse them directly while is not much in our news. I am glad to hear there i'm sure (as i'm living between them my whole are “safe areas” left in Syria! life) their are good people between them.. and no Our President Trump ordered air strikes matter how good they are they will consider it against Syrian bases a few months ago where racism.. you don't like them to abuse you religion chemical warfare ammunition was alleged to be i'm sure.. well i don't really care to be honest but stored, after Assad used chemical weapons to i'm trying to give you the picture i see.. after all attack civilians; but afterward, some of our media any coin has two faces you can't tell which one is questioned whether the attacks were really by the good or the bad face.. and i'm sure their's no Assad. I found no doubt expressed by other known religion has no blood in his history.. about Republican leaders. the song and the Heaven in the title.. well i don't I wonder where Assad’s chemical weapons judge a book by the title i'm sorry.. and like any came from? I remember during our invasion of poem or verse that is hard to understand.. everyone Iraq in 2003, news reports that as our forces were gets what he likes.. i know some people said it's a assembling, hundreds of trucks were heading to reversed satanic message.. so the main point is.. Syria. I have a book by a general under Saddam maybe Plant is right words do have two meanings.. Hussein saying that’s where the chemical weapons maybe life does too and thanks for supporting me went. Although the same book claims that at one about my English but i really found it hard to point Saddam was exploring plans to bomb Syria. understand the Bible parts and some sentences Really deep theology.

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 24 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” “Words can have two meanings”, expanded that reasoning strikes me as an insult as profound into a universal conclusion about all language, as an insult can get. I don’t understand how you becomes the religion we call “Relativism”. It is the can be concerned about my disrespect for the belief that there is no such thing as a “truth” that is Koran when your disrespect appears so much any more objective than someone’s personal deeper. opinion. I relate to your frustration with experts who If this were applied to everyday life there disagree about every Surah. We Christians suffer would be no everyday life. No work would be that here too. But as you observed with experts done because workers, ordered to begin work at 8 who interpreted according to their personal am, would have their own personal opinion about agenda, we all can read the text for ourselves and when that is, or about what work is. Everyone discern when an interpretation is reasonable, and would die in traffic accidents because traffic when it is simply wrong, with no logical support regulations would be subject to personal opinion. from the text. Courts, police, jails, and armies would One reason I have confidence that the have no authority, or direction, since each Koran’s “scary verses” really are that scary, is that individual would decide for himself who to arrest I have read them in several translations and they or shoot, or for what reason, if any reason. are just as scary. In fact, the translations I read are Hospitals would abandon modern medicine, based the ones recommended by Moslems who claim as it is on facts about germs and injuries they are not scary at all. established by centuries of research, because One thing about those translations that I according to Relativism, facts do not exist except find remarkable, is that in all of them, the grammar to the extent they are the personal opinion of is horrible. Maybe I don’t mean grammar, but flow people. of thought. Or somewhere in between grammar Fortunately for our physical life, Relativists and flow of thought. There is continual confusion, leave our material world alone so we can enjoy the for any careful reader who tries to understand the latest technology undisturbed by such doubts. role of every word. Normally, translations of Relativists apply their Relativism only to religion, anything, from any language, are rendered into and morals, excusing themselves from dishonesty, good, understandable English, even though we violence, cruelty, and any respect for God or understand that no translation can ever capture Christians. every nuance of the original. Why is Koran Relativists allow themselves to “believe in translation different? Do translators hate the Koran God”, but the God they imagine means more to that much? Or was the Koran written in such poor them than anything fact-based. They commonly Arabic? say to Christians, “your religion may be right for You function in Arabic. You have read all you, but my religion is right for me.” kinds of Arabic literature. How do you think the But besides the obvious inconsistency that clarity of the Koran measures against other Arabic Relativism itself, therefore, cannot exist literature? objectively, beyond someone’s personal opinion, You note that “the terrorist is a terrorist no Relativism rests on the wild premise that God is matter what religion he follwos the bad person can not smart enough to know how to talk clearly. make a good word mean a bad meaning if he What concept of “God” can logically apply needs to Qura'an is just a book after all Islam is to a being that dumb? just a lie after all when you want to hurt me you Do we tell our boss “you say I’m fired for will hurt me.. no religion will stop you.. and no not following your orders. But your orders have religion forced you.” two meanings, and so does your statement that I No, no religion makes all its supporters am fired”? How dare we then treat God as if His either bad or good. There are Christians who Word is incomprehensible, relieving us of any duty commit crimes, and there are Moslem doctors who to study and obey it? heal and to not hurt. The second chapter of To dismiss both the Bible and the Koran by Romans, in the Bible, acknowledges how people

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 25 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” living under violent pagan religions sometimes Image of God. The Koran dehumanizes Christians live more peaceably and righteously than people and Jews as “Apes and pigs”. who read and revere their Bibles. John 15:13 in the Bible says “Greater love But what you believe about loving your has no man than this, that a man lay down his life enemies, versus the authority of fatwahs to go kill for his friends.” The Koran says little about love, people for merely insulting your religion, certainly or about sacrificing yourself for others, or about influences one’s actions! serving others. Although Christians have, in the past, What we believe doesn’t dictate how we cruelly killed each other for disagreeing about the act – which isn’t always a good thing – but it Bible, nowhere does the Bible authorize killing or certainly influences how we act! even hurting anyone for sincerely held differences Differences like this between the Bible and of opinion. It is only when those differences lead the Koran – and there are many more – account for to criminal action that prosecution is authorized, the huge differences in peace, safety, prosperity, just as it is here in the United States today. For and health of nations where the Bible was the example, our laws allow you to believe you can primary moral influence, compared with nations have four wives at a time, and you have the right governed by Sharia law. to kill them if they dishonor you. That’s fine to Wow! I can’t believe I got up 3 hours ago, believe that. But if you DO that, you go to jail. found your note, and have been writing and About “racism”, you write, “about racism thinking all this time! Now I will see if I can get i'm telling you any muslim reads that will consider back to sleep. it racism.. yes Islam is not a race.. nor any other religion but let's take the fact that muslims are a Really deep theology. billion humans in consider and think.. when we Majid Slyteen 2:30 pm abuse thier religion we abuse them directly while i got to be honest as much as i love this i'm sure (as i'm living between them my whole conversation.. i can't follow every detail in it.. i'll life) their are good people between them.. and no try my best about Bible Qura'an comparison.. i matter how good they are they will consider it don't know anything about the Bible but the racism.. you don't like them to abuse you religion general idea of the total love and peace but the i'm sure.. well i don't really care to be honest but total idea of the Qura'an is not actually murdering i'm trying to give you the picture i see.. after all for religion or killing who are not muslims to be any coin has two faces you can't tell which one is honest.. the total idea we can say it's book which the good or the bad face.. and i'm sure their's no tell you old stories as examples to what happens to known religion has no blood in his history.” people who refused to believe in God after sending Here in the U.S., also, “racism” is them his messenger.. and then they tortured him sometimes carelessly applied to what is more for being a God sent.. and inside the story you properly called “religious discrimination”. might notice some sentences when God is talking By what logic do statements of facts about to his prophet like a warning or a way-showing to a religion, which no one disputes, “abuse” that conclude the right thing to do.. ok now i don't religion? know if you get the idea but the idea was is the The Bible has no instance of God Qura'an actually is words from God to his prophet approving violence against anyone for what they Muhammed and he was talking to him using believe. God miraculously helped His People in stories and comparisons to make him understand battle, only to defend them against violent and tell the people what to do.. at least this is the aggressors. (Jericho is the only exception I find, story that been told in muslims community.. well but there are several reasons that is not a Biblical what Muhammed did with God words.. is he red endorsement of any war of aggression today.) The them to the people who don't believe in God.. Koran’s very name is about the “peace” that can some of them believed some of them not and the exist only after all unbelievers are slaughtered. part of the masters to his tribe got angry while The Bible says all humans are made in the people are following him and gt afraid that the

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 26 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” leadership will be lost so they had to kill him.. as Really deep theology. his (Muhammed) base of followers growing.. they Biblewizard response Aug 27 11:16 pm rescued him from murder many times and then May we have a little more "fun" together? they decided all of them to leave from Mecca to Wow! Mohammed was tortured? I read in Yathreb back then.. that's when the Islamic the Hadiths and the Koran that he cruelly tortured calender began.. Hejri Calender means to death innocent people he betrayed by the tens of Migrationate Calender (i don't know if this is even thousands. I was unaware that anyone ever a word) and then started the violence when the tortured him. Do you happen to remember where masters followed him to the new city and wanted that is written in the Koran or Hadiths? to kill him again that's when God allowed him to When you talk about "stories and fight and here is the start of the scary verses well comparisons", is your meaning that these reports regardless if i agree with that or not.. this is the of Mohammed's barbaric brutality are fiction - shortcut of the story behind the Qura'an.. about the stories to teach a lesson - they never really language in it.. it's very old Arabic which and happened? complicated actually the Arabic language grammar The interesting example you give of a was alot based on it and i assure you it's one of the statement capable of many meanings - ""go and most complicated languages you'll ever know.. i'll find yourself another land and spread your give an example i hope it will help to understand message between them maybe they get rescued as what i'm trying to say let's assume that God said; well" - is not the "clear verse" you say it is, to my "go and find yourself another land and spread your mind. message between them maybe they get rescued as You wonder if I think "religion is good". well" well now i'll tell you how this clear verse I believe it benefits all men to face reality. could be explained which i need to remention that Since nearly all men (and wo-men) desire it will be in Arabic hard even to read.. ok.. ex1- to live and not die, it is in the interest of all to God is telling Muhammed to go and be a king in investigate the evidence indicating which religion another land and then he should spread the can be most trusted to tell us what happens after message and this is how he rescue them . ex-2 God we die, and how we ought to live so that our is telling Muhammed to leave his place cause God existence after we die will be good. It should be won't give mercy to his current people who obvious that religions say the opposite of each refused to believe and telling him to find another other, so that they can't all be right - some are people to try spreading the message . ex3- God obviously out of touch with reality. said "find yourself" which mean Muhammed at Jesus is the only person reported in his time this point was lost then he continued "another to have died beyond the possibility of recovery, land" and God is refering to the afterlife by and then to have risen from the dead, and walked another land and then said spread your message among men again, testified to by 500 witnesses. between them and apperantly "them" refers to all Two or three others in human history have been people of earth cuz God didn't say "spread your alleged to have risen from the dead, but those message between the people of this land" and at claims didn't emerge for centuries after their death last "maybe they will get rescued" well God said - after reports of Jesus' resurrection created too Maybe which means they are not necessarily much competition - and even then the claims were rescued.. so the conclusion of this verse is.. God of only one or two witnesses, with doubt raised promising Muhammed his place in heaven to start whether they had even died. thinking about people on the earth and try to I review the evidence that Jesus rose from rescue them which means they are in trouble and the dead at need to be rescued ex4- God is telling Muhammed http://saltshaker.us/BibleStudies/WhoRoseFromDe to spread the message in another land that means ad.pdf. It is overwhelming. Anyone who has the he should go and make them choose between their power to rise from the dead can be trusted to tell lives or Islam and in both choices they are rescued us accurately what is on the other side of death. He ok i guess it's enough and had a hard time to make can also be trusted to be smart enough to

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 27 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” communicate clearly. burn for ever and eternity because I refuse to By contrast, where there is no witness from accept the bs story of eve eating an apple for beyond the grave, no miracles, no accurate which I am to blame. Just to name one. predictions of the future, nor any other testable claims proving knowledge beyond that ordinarily Really deep theology. available to humans, there is no reason to believe a Biblewizard response 7:42 pm source’s claims except to the extent they are Thank you for your eloquent response! backed up by other sources. And for clarifying that what you considered “pathetic” was not my application of Scripture, but the Bible itself. I share your aversion to the dominant “You’re insane.” theology of Hell so profoundly that I spent several August 21 1:19 am years researching and writing a book proving that jon pappalardo the scenario you paint of that theology is not at all Wow!!! this is pretty stupid. what the Bible paints of Hell. The key Scriptural points about my book Biblewizard response: 9:46 am are given at my sub-website, As a courtesy to the 311 good folks who http://saltshaker.us/Hell-Fire/. I can’t remember if have “liked” what you call “stupid”, it would be I have a link to a free PDF there; if I didn’t, and helpful if you would be a little more articulate. you want one, let me know. Otherwise a paperback Can you provide some light about precisely what is $14. seems to you “stupid”? Can you make a rational 12 Bible reasons that that theology can’t case that it really is? possibly be correct are summarized there, including the fact that even the worst of cruel Attacking the Bible. tyrants will be punished up to twice what they have done to others – no infinite, disproportionate August 18 4:05 pm Michael Shultz judgment is ever described. The Bible says Hell I have 2 suggestions for this creepy con. 1- will exist forever, but it never says everyone who he should find a set of records of the bible for the goes there will remain there forever without hope. blind and play them backwards to see what he gets So what keeps some there forever? . 2 when he's done doing the first he should take I look around at hearts so hard that they those records and his theroy stuff both up his bum prefer filth over cleanliness, chaos over order, ease then sit on that backwards playing record player over success, hate over love, violence over peace, and spin ! darkness over light, Satan over God. How is it possible for a soul to make such choices even for a August 15 8:58 pm michael jordan moment? And yet all of us do. So if we can do People here hear what they want to hear that, what will keep some from sticking to such thats exactly what this guy did dark choices forever? When people hate God in this life, what Attacking the Bible. will change when they die that they will suddenly August 14 2:40 pm Albert Stegeman want to live even closer to God after they die? BibleWizard I am certainly not interested As for the idea of all of us suffering for in your biblical satanic explanations. I assume that Adam’s sin, that is certainly a common theology in what you call scripture is this bronze age book today’s churches. “Original sin”, the doctrine is written by middle east goatherds that for some labeled. people seem to be the truth and explanation of But Jeremiah says 31:29 “In those days everything including a popular songtext. What is they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a unreasonable in this book is the fact that I have to sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. 30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity:

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 28 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth me your respect, I am willing to withdraw it. shall be set on edge.” From the time I began writing this book, I And Luke 12 describes necessities like wondered who would want to know this food and clothes, and promises that God will information. provide them for those who “seek first the Not pastors whose standing with their Kingdom of Heaven” - which is a reverse of the denomination requires a statement of faith that curse placed on the ground for Adam’s sake in rejects what I have found in Scripture! Genesis 3. In other words, because Adam wouldn’t Not religious book publishers who would do the work God knew would benefit him, God lose most of their customers if they carried a book brought in hunger to force Adam to at least do challenging traditional Protestant and Catholic SOME work. But for those of us who will work as assumptions. God directs, God will remove the effects of that Not even the Universalist community curse from us. A blessing which I and many which holds that Hell will eventually empty itself; missionaries experience daily. I find too compelling the verses like Revelation And several chapters of Hebrews explain 20:10, which you mention, which says Satan, the about the “rest”, used in a way that implies Beast, and the False Prophet will burn there Paradise, for those of us willing to believe and live forever. (Notice 21:8, which you mention, does by God’s promises – a rest which many of our NOT say all those people will burn there forever. ancestors never experienced because they doubted Although certainly the verse would imply that, if God even after experiencing the most that is the only verse one knows about, for anyone overwhelming evidence of His powers and desire unaware of the 12 Bible reasons given in my web to bless. page why that is not God’s plan.) These facts are developed in another book I How about people like myself, troubled by am still working on; several chapters are posted at the inconsistencies between God’s Grace, God’s www.Talk2me.Saltshaker.US. The book is titled standard that we forgive “seventy times seven” “The Prehistoric Angel Diary”. The cover says it (Matthew 18), and the Bible’s consistent standard was “written by an angel. A fictitious angel, but an of justice as being proportionate to crime at the angel nonetheless.” most, and traditional Hell theologies which portray God’s Grace as lasting only the thinnest slice of Attacking the Bible. Eternity, and as wildly infinitely disproportionate? Albert Stegeman response August 14, 11:10 pm Perhaps you are like me, troubled by these BibleWizard Okay. A moneymaking things; except that you reach way beyond reason biblewizard! But you forgot to mention revelation and evidence to insult the very solutions you 21:8 about hell. And psalm 51:5 and romans 5:12 appear to demand! about original sin. Just to name a few. But no So where do you see a market opportunity problem: time for a new book. Gets you some in all this? How do I break through? additional money out of the pocket of the true I would a lot rather make money giving believers. Nothing to be ashamed about. Scripture people the joy and meaning in life they pray for – tells you: blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is that’s what I spend most of my time researching the kingdom of heaven. Why not take advantage of and writing about. 1 Corinthians 9:3-12 shows this that here on earth? is God’s will. But I am lucky to give that away free. Biblewizard response: August 15 :12:43 am So God provides some income through our I make money from my book about Hell? If music store, the Family Music Center. Retail you have a vision of how I could be making music is the second least stable business, in the money off this, please share! opinion of lenders to businesses, after proclaiming Probably offering free PDF’s would be a the Gospel outside an established church structure. first step, if I could give it away free! Did I offend Really deep theology. you by offering a PDF free? If that offer has cost Regarding Original Sin: You cite Psalm

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 29 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” 51:5 “ Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him did my mother conceive me.” that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, The entire Psalm is David’s confession but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but after fornicating with Bathsheba. believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his Bible commentator Albert Barnes points faith is counted for righteousness. out: “The idea is simply that he was “born” in But as general statements, of course, in iniquity;...as one might say that he was born with a general, Adam’s disobedience set an example love of music, or with a love of nature,...How that which MOST humans have CHOSEN to follow. occurred, or how it was connected with the first And when Jesus died for us, proving God’s Love apostasy in Adam, or how the fact that he was thus for us, that produced a mass softening of the hearts born could be vindicated, is not intimated, nor is it of humanity compared to the isolated examples alluded to. There is no statement that the sin of before. another was “imputed” to him; or that he was At my age especially, it's a bit late to “responsible” for the sin of Adam; or that he was think of caring about getting rich. It's time to be guilty “on account of” Adam’s sin, for on these preparing Treasures in Heaven. But that is the way points the psalmist makes no assertion. It is worthy I have felt for the past 40 years. Now I'm too old of remark, further, that the psalmist did not to change. I just keep focusing on pulling down endeavor to “excuse” his guilt on the ground that these barriers, and let God worry about my money. he was ““born”” in iniquity; nor did he allude to He does all right. that fact with any purpose of “exculpating” himself.” As for the Hebrew word for “shapen”, August 14 11:52 am kevin blois Barnes points out that it “means properly, “to turn In response to Job 35:6. A quote from around, to twist, to whirl;” and then it comes to Matthew 25:40, " Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch mean “to twist oneself with pain, to writhe;” and as ye have done it unto one of the least of my then it is used especially with reference to the brethren, ye have done it unto me." pains of childbirth.” I think Barnes’ interpretation is reasonable Biblewizard response 1:40 pm pm enough to eliminate any contradiction between this Before I respond directly to Kevin, let me verse and the verses I cited earlier. see if I guess correctly to what he responds. You note Romans 5:12, “Wherefore, as by Really deep theology. one man sin entered into the world, and death by Kevin must be responding to my response sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all to somebody about the first of this year. That have sinned:” shows a lot of readiness [on Kevin’s part] to study I don’t see a contradiction between this what has already been said [in this comment verse, either, and the verses I cited earlier. stream], before adding more! Thanks, Kevin! I read this verse as a general statement, When someone doubted the helpfulness of since everyone who knows that verse probably the Bible since so many Catholic priests have been also knows of the two men who never died: Enoch perverts, I had made the point that without the and Elijah. Likewise verse 18, which completes Bible, there isn’t even any standard by which any the thought of v. 12, must be read as a general act against children can be judged as perversion. statement, since everybody knows there was Grace Or by which anything can be judged as “evil”, before Jesus came. with any more moral authority than some human’s (18 Therefore as by the offence of one personal opinion. judgment came upon all men to condemnation; As part of my response, I wrote, “Who but even so by the righteousness of one the free gift a real God would set standards so high that so came upon all men unto justification of life.) many of us fail? Yet [God set them for us] out of For example, Romans 4:3 For what saith love, since the standard is for our own benefit, to the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 30 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” reduce human tragedy, not for His benefit - Job questions. Yours appears rhetorical. If you would 35:6 If you sin, it does not hurt God. Even if your actually like a response: sins are too many to count, that does nothing to First, you will need to accurately frame my God. 7 And if you are good, that does not help position. I don’t recall saying my “bible story is God. He gets nothing from you. 8 Job, the good the key to understanding this song.” If I said that, and bad things you do affect only other people like please remind me where. Often, the effort to yourself.” accurately frame the position you are criticizing You can read the complete exchange at will answer your questions about it. http://saltshaker.us/Music/Stairway2HeavenComm Second, since I have already addressed the ents.pdf significance of the correlation between these lyrics IF that is Kevin’s target, I must guess what and Bible passages, both in the “description” his point is. It may be that he sees a contradiction under the video and throughout the comments (see between the two passages: Job says our sins don’t older searchable comments in a single file at hurt God, but Jesus says when we hurt each other http://saltshaker.us/Music/Stairway2HeavenComm we hurt Him. ents.pdf) it would help to narrow down what In case that is Kevin’s meaning, here is my puzzles you, that you want me to address, if you explanation of how the two passages don’t allude to some detail of what I have already contradict each other at all: explained and tell me why that puzzles you. The only way one can imagine a Third, if you would like me to address your contradiction is by presuming Jesus meant when charge that my “Bible story” is “pathetic”, I need we hurt each other, that somehow literally, you to give at least one example of some directly, physically hurts Him. But it is obvious application of Scripture that you find that Job is right in pointing out that creation has no unreasonable, and explain why you think it is power to hurt its creator. So in what sense can unreasonable. Jesus’ statement be true? In the absence of these three things, I can In the same sense that a parent is “hurt” only presume your “question” was rhetorical – you when his child hurts his sibling. Only God’s Love expect no answer and might even be angry that I for us can enable Him to be “hurt” when we hurt answer – and was for the purpose of insulting, not each other. to learn. Jesus’ statement dramatically articulates His empathy. The context is His judgment on us to August 10 11:32 pm Rhonda Holland the extent we hurt each other. “Inasmuch as ye It kind if want u what it to mean then u have done it unto one of the least of my brethren, listen to it . a bit if. Getting to heaven. ye have done it unto me" means that He will judge us for hurting each other, as if it were Jesus Himself whom we chose to hurt. August 8 9:25 am Eamonn Scully I think this guy is spot on You can take your own interpretation from August 14 4:32 am Ken Riccio poems the song and go with that and then it becomes the song is about stealing it from spirit .. something entirely different and unique It definitely has a gospel message in my Attacking the Bible. opinion I don't think Robert plant had any sinister August 13 11:45 am Albert Stegeman motives or messages when he wrote the lyrics What makes you think that your pathetic Nowadays he thinks it's a bit simple and little bible story is the key to understanding this childish and maybe is a bit ashamed of it song? Conspiracy heads will pick the bones out of it until they find what they need Biblewizard response August 14, 2:18 pm The first time I ever heard this song it I am ready to address any sincere made me think of the Virgin Mary That's the

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 31 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” message I got from it and still get to this day oh satan" Plant was looking at the woodshed or workshed that was in the back of the house that August 7 8:44 pm Ben Dover Aleister Crowley owned before Page bout the It is human nature to try to understand place and he said that as he looked out back he just everything. You need to find peace in mysteries started to hum and mumble the lyrics to the song and accept that we are not meant to understand that was to become Stairway To Heaven. . . It was everything. You’ll sleep better. as if a spirit had come over him. (This was not in the first email to me:) This Really deep theology. is a video of the whole song backwards. Biblewizard response October 1, 11:10 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch? Actually there is a Bible verse about the v=myUyWOvm1WM" curiosity - the hunger for wisdom - that is the mark of human greatness: Biblewizard response 4:30 pm Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to Even if playing the lyrics backwards conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to actually did produce those words without a lot of search out a matter. imagination (I will be interested in a link to where Throughout Proverbs we are inspired to someone did that) that would not prove that the seek wisdom. Chapter 8 describes wisdom the way words, played normally, could not mean other passages describe Jesus. It is the search for something quite different. wisdom that starts by rejecting all the evidence of God that leads to foolishness and nightmares. Pauper’s Budget response, I have just this past week published my book about several soul-filling “mysteries” I have found by following Bible clues: “The Prehistoric Paupers Budget response 9:45 pm Angel Diary/Book One: From Beelzebub’s Fall *BibleWizard* you are correct. Johnny Cash song thru Adam’s Fall”. Available at Amazon. I walk The Line was about being true and being able to do what is right and when played backward you hear Johnny sing about doing GOD's will and “Here’s what it really means.” hoping that GOD's message would speak through August 7 7:54 am Chris White him. For all of the problems Johnny had he was The song is about America or any country extremely spiritual in his personal life. When I am or person buying her stairway to heaven. The doing these speech reversals I am not looking for gospel is sold not told. The book is read to you not anything evil I am curious why the singer sings a you read the book. There is no religion only a label song and you feel a certain way when you hear it. I of what people believe. If you don't believe in get to know what the singer was thinking while yourself...(sometimes thoughts have no meaning) singing this song. This is Flaming Youth by KISS. thoughts are very powerful unless you (don't) I think it is Paul Stanley thinking about how much think so. This song was created in Aleister greater their music will sound once Bob Ezrin is Crowley's house and if you get that then you producing it and the whole world hears just how completely get this song 100%. great they are. Go to 40 second mark to start to hear the reverse part of the song. https://www.youtube.com/watch? “Here’s what it really means.” v=EseCsYhXCBY August 6 1:28 pm Paupers Budget Nice try but how do you explain the Biblewizard response 11:53 pm reverse speech message that talks about "the little Weird. When someone comments, Youtube toolshed that would make us sad" Also "Here's to sends me the comment. Most of the time Youtube My Sweet Satan, the one who would make us sad does a fine job. But sometimes it’s like when your

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 32 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” first comment was posted: Youtube omitted your last sentence, with the link to selections of Stairway... played backwards, with text alleging “You’re insane.” what is then sung. August 4 7:46 am DisappointedWilliam Anyway, now I have listened to both your Ridiculous!!!!! links. As a singer with some broadcasting experience, I think my ears can analyze pretty well what I am hearing, and I think about half the August 1 3:08 pm Travis Bull vowels and especially the consonants, in the Still like this song, and don't really care backward version of Stairway, that are in the much about all this nonsense... posted text, are simply missing from the audio. There is enough in common that listening to the July 31 4:44 pm Pam Kuhn audio and watching the text, it is easy to keep track I'm a Christian and this doesn't make any of which words the audio is kind of like. But I do sense to me. not believe it is possible to base the text on a clear Biblewizard response 12:14 am analysis of the audio. Imagination must fill in the If you are willing to give a little more missing consonants. I doubt that different people, detail about what puzzles you, I would love to who have not heard each other’s interpretation, discuss with you how to make the Gospel message could agree very much. more clear, or to correct anything about it that is Of course, imagination being so crucial to wrong. the process, an imagination bent in another I hope you don’t literally mean that can’t direction might just as easily invent a quite understand even one word of my analysis. Because different message. if that is what you mean, I despair of writing any And even after all these alleged backwards other words with any confidence that you will lyrics are posted, the grammar is so horrible that it understand. only half makes sense. Even with the words posted If you will articulate even one thoughtful in a huge font, you need some imagination to question about any idea here that intrigues you, I transform them into clear thoughts. will do my best to answer. However, the second link you sent me is different. There, I thought the posted text was supported by the backwards audio fairly well. As I have said elsewhere in these “Here’s what it really means.” comments, until there is analysis of my own songs July 30 3:44 pm Electromagnetic Wave played backwards, to see if anyone can imagine Society any weirdness in them, I will be nervous about There's a lady whos sure, with a word she passing judgment on backwards analysis of others’ can get what she came for... esp at work in this music. song, welcome to the coded reality. The song is about a witch, if you had powers to put lyrics into musicians mind would you write a song about yourself or your family members, friend... The ladies last name is Schurr (not sure if its spelled right), I had the chance to meet this person and later in life figured out the games she was playing “Here’s what it really means.” when I was young. With a word she can get what August 5 1:30 pm Manuel Hernandez she came for...welcome to the coded reality... its a Played backwards its about the devil or sickness satan <> 1:32 pm No gospel just find out who is the May Queen and you'll know the truth July 24 6:35 pm Adrian Bonnington

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 33 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” Christ is a sacred secretion that goes up 33 Although that may be true, properly vertebrae to pineal. Bible I traveled to land of clarified, I hope you don't mean good and evil are peneal and saw god face to face. See my books so subjective that our mood alone determines Mason. True god no name. whether something is good or evil.

July 25 Biblewizard reply 4:10 pm September 29 7:19 pm aFreeman0409 I thought I was going to be a smart alec and (Response to Benner thread) Hence the 2 note that since Exodus 33:20 says “there shall no voices in everyone's head, even Plant's...the song man see me and live”, therefore either you must be is about trying to take the correct stairway. mistaken that that was God you saw, or you are not alive. But then I looked at your book titles on Amazon and found you beat me to it. A year ago August 14 2 pm Savage Kock your book was titled, “We are all dead.” BibleWizard spoken like a true satanist . That doesn't explain, however, your ability greetings brother .. MGTOW 2014 !! to post words on Youtube. (Response to William Benner thread) John 1:18 likewise fuels my skepticism: “no man hath seen God at any time”. August 16 4:34 pm William Benner I notice you have the word “Bible” in your Who is BibleWizard?? post, though grammatically unattached with any other word or phrase or idea. Since Jesus is the Biblewizard response 8:30 pm only person in world history who rose from the Hi! Let me introduce myself. I’m Dave dead as documented by overwhelming evidence, it Leach, from Des Moines, Iowa. I own the Family is the only book about life beyond this life that Music Center which I inherited from my anyone has reason to trust. grandfather who started it in 1922. When I started my Youtube channel, I 6:36 pm Adrian Bonnington needed a gmail account to log in. Someone else My books on amazon do Reval mason had already stolen my name. I tried several ideas; secrets. all were taken. Finally in frustration I thought I needed to think of something crazy enough that 11:28 pm Diane Jennings nobody else would have thought of it, or would drugs yes people she can get she wants want it if they had. Bingo! Biblewizard! So that with one word. yes it makes me wonder and soon was my gmail prefix. the end comes. she is buying the stairway to So then it was time to name the channel. I heaven entered “Biblewizard”. wouldn’t you know, it was taken! So the channel is called youtube.com/user/biblewizard2. July 24 12:37 am Christine Perkins When the name first occurred to me, I There's gotta be some real talent Not thought, “this is presumptuous – arrogant – to everyone became famous because they worshipped name myself a wizard about the Bible. I oughtn’t Satan or sold their souls for goodness sake. We use exalt myself like that.” But then I realized it was to call this type of music( acid music) so I suppose the opposite: there is no honor attached to solid it was whatever it meant to you at the time you understanding of the Bible, but ridicule! Only dropped some cid. “fanatics” study the Bible as much as I do! Of course Bible scholars who get paid a lot July 8 5:48 pm William Benner are left alone so long as they leave public issues If you look for evil, you will find evil. If alone. But Bible students who don’t get paid at all, you look for good you will find it as well... yet who splatter Scripture all over politics, like I do, are the ultimate “fanatics” in the view of July 18 10:35 pm Biblewizard reply: probably most Americans.

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 34 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” So I wear the label partly as a badge of son." https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039503/plotsummary? shame, kind of like the shame of the Cross, and ref_=tt_ov_pl partly because I think it sounds funny. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ July 17 8:28 pm Danny Stephenson July 4, 8:39 am tixximmi1 Totally Satanic. All rock and roll is. I think anyone can conjure up anything Deals signed in New York City. Check it out for be with any song. This song is all about words that yourself !!!! rhythm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ July 14 4:00 am JOEL UNIT Satan> is that you Dialog with “he AND she”, aka “Earth Angel”, aka Krishna, aka “beyond God” July 13 1:12 am SeekTruthBecauseTrut- Attacking the Bible. h WillSetYouFREE Really deep theology. Satanic Song June 30 4:59 pm Khurram Aziz You're almost right..the song begins with a description of the "Queen of Heaven" July 11 4:05 pm Travis Aurand Inanna/Ishtar/Asherah/ whise sacred animal is the Lol only listened as long as I did because I dove aka Sophia, who doubles as Holy Spirit and like the song. Let point something out to you. Whore of Babylon.. something mere mortal men Bible wizard is a direct confliction of your will never understand while still alive. It was She christains beliefs. Gigs up who guided Robert Plant to change the lyrics to put her in a more positive light at the end..� The July 12 3:12 pm Biblewizard reply: piper may well be Krishna the divine fluteplayer. I Uh, can you express your criticism a little know this because She Herself told me.. � more clearly? Whoops!

Biblewizard reply 12:44 am July 8 10:08 pm Paulie Harrow What? Krishna, hero of the B'hagavad Gita, That was Intense now thinks he is a girl?!! This gender confusion is getting out of hand, when even the gods can't tell! “Here’s what it really means.” The war-loving Hindu “god” Krishna July 7 10:40 pm George Red Hawk Krishna, what a guy! He comes to General Arjuna, who is grieving that he must battle his it's bout Vancouver BC own relatives the next day, like in our Civil War, to tell him not to feel bad about slaughtering his kin; “It’s a joke, son.” he's just killing mere bodies anyway. Nothing is real - only illusion - so slaughter away! And that's July 6 12:05 am Tino Pacino called a holy book! Wtf do you mean ? You Guided Robert Plants Hand. Who are you!? Why would you say July 1 2:21 pm Khurram Aziz you wrote the songs threw Plant and Page? I am BibleWizard YOU are ALSO HALF sorry but WTF? FEMALE ..*X CHROMOSOME* FROM YOUR *MOTHER* , AND A *Y CHROMOSOME Biblewizard response 12:09 pm FROM YOUR FATHER..MADE IN THE IMAGE To quote my favorite Golden Age of Radio OF YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN... JOHN 1:1 hero, Senator Beauregard Claghorn: "It's a joke, TAKEN WORD FOR WORD FROM KRISHNA

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 35 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” YAJURVEDA CONTAINS THE SECRET John’s statements seem poetic to us but were HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT YET TOO SUBTLE heresy to Greeks and Hindus, but they were AND UNPALATABLE FOR THE JUDAICISED the foundation of Western civilization.” WESTERN MIND TO STOMACH..� BTW 2 pages later Mangalwadi, who was raised MORE PROOF:- ANGELS ARE ALSO as a Hindu, points out that the alleged incarnations ANDROGYNOUS ASK MICHAEL� AS FOR of the gods of the Greeks and Hindus was THE BHAGAVAD GITA TRUE ENOUGH, BUT mythical, not historical, and even time itself was THE SAME CAN BE SAID OF THE BIBLE *OT “Maya” (illusion). + NT* AND THE QURAN!� � *NULLA “In the beginning was the Word, and the SCRIPTURA* ❤☀ *SOLA* ❤ *VITA* � Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1. Biblewizard: July 2, 12:10 am Reason is a uniquely Christian goal Well the next time Michael stops by for (atheists claim it but didn’t invent it) coffee I’ll be sure to ask him. Until he personally That claims something unique of the confirms your claim, my working theory about world’s religions: that there is a real God who is how you came up with it is going to be that you’ve smart enough to talk, and who loves us enough to been smoking your socks way too long. Which I talk to us in a way that we can understand, if we take to also account for your dramatically are willing. It alleges reality, facts, logic, reason, unsubstantiated claim that John 1:1 is plagiarized and evidence. It says reality is real, not illusion. It from someone in Krishna’s family. is the foundation of what we call Western Hindus try NOT to think! Civilization, with all its growth in learning and Not only did John not quote any Greek or technology. Hindu in 1:1, but the verse claims what was heresy Do you seriously mistake the fact that we to Greeks and Hindus. A pillar of Hindu belief is are the product of both our mothers and fathers, that there is no truth, or reason, or logic, but only for evidence that we are all half male and half “illusion” (Maya). Thus, the whole goal of their female? Uh, then, do you know how babies are meditation is to stop thinking. They recite made? nonsense “mantras” to drive away any intelligent War in the Bible vs Koran and Gita idea – hardly a sound basis for building anything You imagine that what the Bible, Koran, politically, economically, or socially – in the hope and Gita say about war is all the same??!!!! The that they can stop being “attached” to anything in wars Israel fought, that God supported, were this life – in other words, it is a religion of apathy defensive, and no war was ever undertaken in the instead of love – so that after they die they can Bible over religion. The Koran, the direct stop living. Sort of a strategy of suicide stretched opposite. The Gita, well you acknowledge that war out over several lifetimes. was to be conducted as a "duty", "dharma", As for the Greeks, Mangalwadi, in without mercy, without feeling! “The Book that Made your World”, explains on p. 81: “Rhetoric was important in Greek July 2 7:19 am Khurram Aziz city-states because democracy depends on BibleWizard All you need to know before persuasion. Parties opposing each other use your arrogant and rather overblown pretentious logic. This made Greeks think that logic was Western judeo christian viewpoint is blown to for manipulation, not for knowing truth. If smithereens in the coming Apocalypse will be seemingly logical arguments could be revealed by watching this video, and reading my advanced to support mutually exclusive comments underneath... *PAGAN ORIGINS OF conclusions, why should anyone trust logic?” JUDAISM* - Sigalius Myricantur [The exception was] Philo [who] hypostatised https://youtu.be/ZECezMYug8c The Word. [He theorized that logic has value.] I AM MICHAEL CHRISTOS BARBĒLO ? ? But John, the Gospel writer, met The Word. KHURRAM AZIZ ? INCARNATED EARTH ANGEL

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 36 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” ?￯ﾻ﾿ with actual historical records as opposed to obvious myth? Which regards all humans as being Biblewizard reply 10:25 am: in the Image of God (Genesis 1:27) and therefore You claim that (1) I am half boy and half due equal rights, (ie Exodus 12:49), as opposed to girl; (2) John 1:1 plagiarizes Krishna; (3) the Bible dehumanizing racial and caste religions which promotes war as much as the Koran and Gita; (4) justify slaughter and slavery of others? Which Michael the angel is androgenous – why not offers the hope that we have a God who wants to simply ask him...and you say it is MY contribution help, as opposed to “gods” who want us to suffer to this little dialog that is overblown??!! to prove we are “worthy”? Which supports The I watched a bit of your video. It says “El” Family, as opposed to “worship” consisting of is the name for God in all the Canaanite languages, orgies with temple prostitutes? And this video a claim the video does not back up with any wants to claim that God, who wrote the Bible recognized authority, or even any unrecognized alongside humans, was a product of these pagan authority. Then about 2:37 it makes a startling leap cultures? Is there a reason to watch any more of of logic: that El-olam, El-shadday, and El-elyon this?) [names for God found in the Bible] are the same as the “El” that pagans worshipped. Isn’t that a little July 3 4:36 am Khurram Aziz like saying “the Bible” and “the Koran” must be BibleWizard the same book because they start with the word https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity) “the”? ashraf62.wordpress.com/2012/08/19/hebrew- About 2:58, “El was conflated with bible-plagiarized-mythology-and-defaced- Yahweh.” Excuse me? In whose imagination? monotheism/ Which of the pagan gods parted the Red ://mobile.nytimes.com/2002/03/09/books/new- Sea? Which even is associated with actual torah-for-modern-minds.html historical records as opposed to obvious myth? dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/X+chromosome Which regards all humans as being in the Image of God and therefore due equal rights? (ie Exodus Biblewizard response: 5:55 pm 12:49) Which offers the hope that we have a God Thanks for the evidence! I like evidence! who wants to help, as opposed to “gods” who want The first article establishes a minor point that I had us to [kill, not care, and] suffer to prove we are questioned: whether “El”, meaning God in “worthy”? Which supports The Family, as opposed Hebrew, is a name phonetically similar to other to “worship” consisting of orgies with temple languages of the region. But that falls far short of prostitutes? the claim in the video to which you directed me: And this video wants to claim that God, that the use of the same name is evidence that the who wrote the Bible alongside humans, was a Hebrew concept of God evolved from the product of these pagan cultures? Is there a reason theologies of the pagan “gods” of the region. to watch any more of this? In fact, the Wikipedia article confirms that (Posted at the video linked: 10:36 the Hebrew word “El”, just like the English word You say “El” is the name for God in all the “god”, doesn’t always refer to the One True God Canaanite languages, a claim not backed up. Then but can refer to imaginary “gods”, so we need about 2:37 you make a startling leap of logic: that context to determine the object of the word: El-olam, El-shadday, and El-elyon are the same as “El is a generic word for god that the “El” that pagans worshiped. Isn’t that a little could be used for any god, including like saying “the Bible” and “the Koran” must be Hadad, Moloch,[26] or Yahweh.” the same book because they start with the word But “The theological position of the “the”? About 2:58, you say “El was conflated Tanakh is that the names Ēl and ’Ĕlōhîm, when with Yahweh.” Excuse me? In whose imagination? used in the singular to mean the supreme god, Which of the pagan gods delivered their refer to Yahweh, beside whom other gods are people from slavery? Which even is associated supposed to be either nonexistent or insignificant.”

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 37 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” The sentence after that questions whether worldwide flood! They are hardly evidence that that “theological position” was taken from the time the version in the Bible is not the most accurate. it was written or was inserted later, but obviously After all, according to the Bible, Shem, Noah’s son that is irrelevant to the fact that the position of the and a passenger on the Ark, was still alive when Bible, as we have it today, treats other “gods” as Abraham was decades old. There is even nonexistent. The sentence is so out of place in the speculation that Melchizedec, whom Abraham article that it is weird, because obviously if the sacrificed to in Genesis 14, was Shem. Either Bible is something that can be changed later, it is way, their common holiness makes it rather not the Word of God, and God is nonexistent too. inconceivable that the two never met, or that In other words, the “inconclusive scholarly Abraham wrote the records he handed down to his debate” about it is not among Bible believers but descendants without the benefit of long among atheists. conversations with an eyewitness. Your second link: “Hebrew Bible: Your third link: “New Torah for Modern Plagiarized Mythology and Defaced Monotheism” Minds” is equally speculative, but at least it is this is rather pure speculation, citing ZERO honest enough to admit it has no clear evidence recognized archeological authorities, apparently that the Bible is inaccurate in any detail. It begins, based on the specious premise that pagan creation “Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, PROBABLY and flood myths, which are vaguely similar to never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus Bible stories, and which are claimed by atheists to story as recounted in the Bible PROBABLY never have been written much earlier, must have been occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the the sources for the Bible stories. walls of Jericho.” But the pagan myths are so obviously non- It makes generalizations about the findings historical. They generally give no dates or places of archaeologists as if they had consensus, without whose existence anyone has confirmed, and actually quoting a single archaeologist or peer- generally don’t even have humans in the stories. reviewed journal, but the generalizations are the Whereas the Bible is historical. It gives opposite of what I used to read in “Archaeology places which have led archaeologists to great Today” when I was a subscriber, not to mention in discoveries, and timelines which are consistent and many publications of believers. credible and which have not been disproven by Several of the places which the article says skeptics such as evolutionists with their billions of are without evidence, I’ve seen photos of. As for years [of speculation]. Skeptics love to rail against the alleged consensus of Jewish scholars that the the miracle stories, but several of the most Bible is not the inspired word of God, well what’s majestic miracles have been accounted for, and new about that? But it depends on which sect of what no skeptic can dispute is how many Judaism you are talking about, and who you are prophecies made hundreds of years in advance of talking to in that sect. It’s the same with Christian events proved accurate. A feature not found in denominations, and individuals in them. “Let God ANY pagan text. be true, and every man a liar”, as Romans 3:4 says. None of these accusations against the Bible What do the doubts of humans prove about are new! They are regurgitations of the whether God is smart enough to talk clearly? The speculations of nonbelievers for centuries. claim of consensus [that archaeologists are agreed Pagan flood stories confirm it happened Bible events never happened] is pretty wild. The explanation I grew up with, half a The weight of the article’s logic seems to century ago, for why pagan myths would have be that an absence of evidence is evidence. But the versions of the Flood story, was that it was an absence of evidence is NOT evidence, and there is event that actually happened so of course traces of no absence of evidence! its memory would survive in cultures all over the Your fourth link: I have no idea what your planet! They therefore, all together, are several point is with this link. witnesses to the fact that there really was a 4:54 am Khurram Aziz

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 38 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” BibleWizard And before you choose to “I form the light, and create darkness: I rabbit on further about how benign kind etc. your make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all God (or any "God" for that matter ��) is.. these things.” first answer me this question why is Satan But where in that verse, or anywhere else the adversary known as... Archangel Samaël � = in the Bible, do you find Satan known either as an Poison of God? � archangel, or as “Samael”, or as “Poison of Remember all archangels have names God”??? ending in -EL to denote their divinity. And why do you imagine significance in Attacking the Bible. “el” being the ending of the names of archangels God creates “evil”?!!! (an allegation I have not checked) when the I form the light, and create darkness: I Wikipedia article you cite concedes that “el” can make peace, and create evil : I the Lord mean either the One True God or nonexistent do all these things. Isaiah 45:7 “gods” depending on context? your God is no better than any of the What does “hoe benign kind” mean? others, in fact they are merely masks that he, the Really deep theology. Chief Archon -- ANU / EL wears in order to trick Satan can only do what God allows. you..! ��������� As for Job’s test, I can tell you about my The Apocryphon of John - Nag Hammadi “test” too; but here is what I wrote, in the Library http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn.html comments below, about Job’s test, last June 10: At higher echelons which I have “You are wrong about Satan’s experienced myself your God El does put one power. He doesn’t have any. He has to through demanding even brutal inhumane tests, ask God for permission to hurt anybody. like he supposedly did Job (Sum. Ludlul bel God gives it, when He can use it to help Nemeqi�) aswell as yours truly, in order to test us, because He loves us all, apparently one's capacity and EL igibility to be a part of the even Satan, and wants to answer our 1% scumbag Illuminati Freemasonic so called EL prayers to the extent He can do so in a ite, and to keep one's mouth shut or else..!! way that helps everybody. Why not ask him why he, (Hashem�) is God used it to deliver Job from their Great Architect! � Where He is known as Jah his crippling fear which Job confessed bulon � ��� in Job 3:24. Fear is a hellish torment. 1 Freemasonry = Judaism for Gentiles John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but This world we live in is held together by perfect love casteth out fear: because brute force and military might * ���� sanctified fear hath torment. He that feareth is not by *your "God" (� Epicurus Theodicy*) ..and made perfect in love. billions of his devotees/minions who suffer from God even answered Satan’s acute *Stockholm Syndrome presumed ‘prayers’ to kill His Son, Why are so many children going missing? Jesus, and then used Satan’s role in that https://youtu.be/drbHjLVVCRo to offer salvation to all of us, including It's time for us all to wake up and smell the you.” coffee.. ☕ � A couple of your other claims, I haven't addressed because they seem more sensational Biblewizard response: 6:16 pm than serious. I LOVE Bible questions! And challenges! But Bible questions about things not in the Bible July 4 2:30 am Khurram Aziz (In Italics, I have confuse me. OK, I know about Isaiah 45:7, and see put what was posted on Youtube which Youtube did not in it a wonderful message, though easily include in the copy that Youtube emailed me. I don’t misunderstood when read superficially, which I understand why not.) BibleWizard Yet another pathetic reply would love to explain if anyone is interested. from another Christian apologist *trying to defend

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 39 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” the indefensible.* who doggedly and fearfully for whom nothing will suffice but thw blind clings to his dogma without adequately addressing faith of kindergarten level religionists. *Did King the facts presented to him. David or King Solomon Exist? The Case of the �A conversation of the deaf with a Missing Empire.* pompous sheep wearing rose tinted glasses who http://www.humanreligions.info/did_king_solomon_e takes himself far tooo seriously..! baaah���� xist.html Not even worth my precious time wasting *I AM* KRISHNA � *I AM THE TRUE another reply on such a complete nincompoop... LIGHT* �� *I AM OM THE WORD THAT IS *El Kanno* = *#I_ am_a_jealous_god* GOD* *...Yaldabaoth* ��� *Anu Brahma Cronos Saturn* *EL* The Reptilian God of Sumer, July 4, about 5 am Khurram Aziz – Babylon, Akkad, Canaan India..and Israel! typo: [Youtube did not email me a copy of this post so I no matter hoe= *no matter how..* *I AM* don’t know the time] redefining *"GOD"* for the scientific age.. *I AM BibleWizard - What more do you want, BARBELO KA* �� �* SOVEREIGN AND popcorn?!! � A God of Life � FREE* ���⭐ *BEYOND "GOD"* ���� https://youtu.be/NHjH66gPhM4 *I❤ AM* GOOD � TRUE FAITH IS BEYOND BELIEF *BEYOND� OBEY* BARB3LO Khurram Aziz posted about 5 am, [no copy sent to MABER *L'HASHEM BARBELO GRANDMOTHER me:] GOD THE TAO IS OLDER THAN GOD ?￰ﾟﾘﾈ?￰ﾟﾎﾅ BibleWizard � And while we're at it let's I DO NOT KNOW WHO GAVE BIRTH TO IT. TAO not forget that..� � My God is Bigger than Your TE CHING SHAL?OM God - Spitting Image ��� https://youtu.be/bRwXrcz-F9M 2:56 am Khurram Aziz BibleWizard Pagan Sumerian myths Khurram Aziz posted about 5 am, [no copy sent to *proof* *(Ha)Adam* derived from earlier name me:] for Sumerian *Adapa/ Adamu* and *Enki* in the BibleWizard Garden of Eden (Gan Edin) = ED.IN (Sumerian) Thank goodness I'm strong in my lack of .must be because of sparks from the Jewish faith..True Faith is Beyond Belief sephiroth getting lost in a previous timeline or P.S. IDOL ��=Satkona Yantra/Star of sime other cobblers like that.. ?￰ﾟﾘﾂ? Goloka, sacred to Krishna Kristo ❤ Kristos ❤ Atrahasis/Ziusudra(Noah) and *Enki* Kurush ❤ Khurram*� Jewish month *Tammuz* named after the ��� Sumerian god of vegetation Tammuz/Dumuzi. http://www.atkinslightquest.com/Documents/Relig *Shalom* and *Salaam* (Arabic) both derived ion/Mythology/Famous-Hoaxes-of-Religion.htm from *Salamu* (Sumerian) Sumerian Nuru (=Light ?) became Nur and Khurram Aziz posted about 5 am, [no copy sent to Ohr me\: Armageddon from Har Mo Ed Council of BibleWizard the Gods Canaanite Asherah known as Qaniyatu Here some more food for thought Eloim (= *Mother of the Living*) in ancient ��� No concern for missing children?!! Ugarit. who had 70 sons with *EL* *NOT* Hypocrite!! https://youtu.be/drbHjLVVCRo Yahweh, the local God of the Israelites (= ENKI ..In that case further down the Rabbi-T�hole EA/ Dionysus /Dushara/ *SHIVA* �) who Attacking the Bible. *appropriated* his wife and then had King Josiah Is the Biblical Yahweh actually a dragon? slaughter her priesthood. All becomes self evident �� �� �? through the *historical narrative* plenty of https://www.unexplained- evidence blind one who will never open his eyes to mysteries.com/forum/topic/106266-is-the-biblical- the truth

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 40 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” yahweh-actually-a-dragon/ after 2+ millennia!! � Could this be the real meaning behind... Perhaps you should listen to Prof.Bart "And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for Ehrman or Dan Barker , both ex-clergy with a there shall no man see me, and live." ??! great deal of experience and knowledge about Exodus 33:20 Christianity (Judaism�on steroids) and it's Fyi I did [see God’s face] and I survived on insanity...probably alot more than you!!� numerous /numinous occasions! � Bart Ehrman Discusses The Apocalypticist So I actually KNOW with 100% certainty Mark 9:1 https://youtu.be/sE2oaGa2fJU the answer to that question after serious multiple Book of Revelation � Hoax perpetrated by threats to my safety over the course of the past Gnostic rabbi Cerinthus (introduced into NT canon several years ..all after clearing away all the mire after much resistance at Council of Laodicea 367 ; of occult religious mythological mind control (all finalised for inclusion at Council of Carthage 398 ) religion is occult fyi) which we are all conditioned � CERINTHUS REJECTED BY ST. JOHN with from cradle to grave. https://youtu.be/ZzBJZdpDpUo Blue Oyster Cult - In the Presence of DESCENT INTO HEAVEN.. Another World ���� �� ⤵ �������� https://youtu.be/MPL87C_C_5k COUP D'ETAT IN THE "KINGDOM OF Time to wake up and smell the coffee! ☕ � HEAVEN" ���.. NOW IN PROGRESS!! NULLA SCRIPTURA � SOLA � VITA �� I AM THE TRUE MIGHT THE TRUE GOD “How could a God of Love permit evil?” THE TRUE LIGHT About 5 am Khurram Aziz BARBELO �� BibleWizard THE GRANDMOTHER It's true Isaiah 45:7 had a wonderful � I AM message .. Evil is a great test of character , if you THE SCOURGE OF THE DEMIURGE choose to look at it that way..one which sadly most ������ of us are incapable of passing with the tragic NEVER IN HUMAN HISTORY HAS AN unleashing of demonic entities everywhere upon EVENT LIKE THIS OCCURRED!! an unsuspecting faithful populace�� ... AT LEAST NOT SINCE 2000 YEARS AGO ..clearly pointing to the unpalatable FACT that WHEN "THE NAZARENE" WALKED THE Satan Lucifer �� rather self evidently now enjoys EARTH...!!! https://youtu.be/NMXO0Hjr5Fg God's favour! � Attacking the Bible. Khurram Aziz 4 hours ago (edited) He who has eyes to look must see..�I BibleWizard What I used to read says prefer pricking through the delusion and straight enough..apologize �� calling your "God", and by extension *YOU... Attacking the Bible. PURE EVIL!! ��� "Yet there is no mention of either king in https://youtu.be/drbHjLVVCRo Egyptian or Mesopotamian texts. No physical “How could a God of Love permit evil?” evidence has been found for David's conquests or If God is willing to prevent evil but not his empire. Archaeological support for Solomon's able, great temple in Jerusalem or other building then he is not omnipotent, projects there and in other locales is nonexistent.* If he is not willing but able, Then he is At a recent meeting in Rome, archaeologist malevolent, Niels Peter Lemche declared, "Archaeological data If he is both willing and able, have now definitely confirmed that the empire of Whence cometh evil? David and Solomon never existed. [...] Almost If he is neither willing nor able, then why certainly, the Jewish kingdom was far more call him God? modest than described in the Bible, and the events Epicurus Theodicy stands a beacon of truth surrounding David are probably as mythological

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 41 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” as those of the lives of Abraham, Moses, and I have looked at and addressed the links in Jesus. [...] previous posts, but today’s links come without any Some [of those who state that most stories explanation of what point is made in them or why in the Bible are true] have argued that the remains I should, so I did not look them up. of Solomon's temple and other signs of a Golden But then AFTER the promise to end dialog, Age in Jerusalem have been wiped out by later [which leads me to wonder that since Khurram building projects. couldn’t have sent it, maybe some machine did], However, the extensive excavations carried came another post in perfectly clear English, on in Jerusalem in modern times have yielded which was not held as possible spam, which impressive finds from much earlier periods such as doubles down on the claim of no archaeological the Middle Bronze Age and Iron Age."” support for Bible history, quoting only one Prof. Victor J. Stenger (2007)3 archaeologist making flat, absolute, unsupported generalizations as if that disproves the mountains Biblewizard: July 4, 2018 9:22 am of important finds in museums and magazines. Some person, I hope, not a machine, Then after that are short posts that are calling him or herself Khurram Aziz, left 2 more about the intellectual equivalent of sticking a comments today, concluding that I am “Yet tongue out at me. another pathetic reply from a Christian apologist However, in the last post (so far as can find trying to defend the indefensible who doggedly, now) is a more serious, possibly sincere complaint and fearfully clings to his dogma, without about God, based on misunderstanding that is adequately addressing the facts presented to him. widely held, which I address in my following post. �A conversation of the deaf with a pompous sheep wearing rose tinted glasses who takes “How could a God of Love permit evil?” himself far tooo seriously..! baaah���� Not July 4, 10:30 am Biblewizard even worth my precious time wasting another Khurram Aziz, aka “he AND she”, aka reply on such a complete nincompoop...” “Earth Angel”, aka Krishna, aka “beyond God”, So if he or she (who insists that he or she is has stumbled over Isaiah 45:7, a verse very easy to both he AND she, and besides that, an “Earth misunderstand when read superficially. Angel”, along with being Krishna and “beyond God”) keeps his or her promise, that will be the “7 I form the light, and create darkness: end of this dialog. I make peace, and create evil : I the There are two very strange things about Lord do all these things.” (King James Youtube’s treatment of “Khurram’s” posts: first, in Version. Other translations say, instead the copy of the posts which Youtube emailed me, of “evil”, “troubles”, “calamity”, about a third of the text was missing. Youtube has “happiness and sorrow” [CEV], never done that before, out of all these 333 (as of “blessing and disaster” [GNB].) this writing, July 4, 8:30 am) comments. Second, Youtube did not automatically post them, but held The misunderstanding is presumably over them as possible spam for my approval. Youtube the word “evil”. (Khurram does not pinpoint has never done that before. I have not set any which part of the verse troubles him, but that is my settings that would invite that. guess.) The Bible often uses the word to describe The one characteristic these posts share wicked things that men do. Is God wicked? with computer-generated spam is that the Wouldn’t that interpretation contradict just about grammar, spelling, and train of thought are so the whole rest of the Bible? choppy that one struggles to derive meaning from The thing I like about Khurram’s complaint it. It is like the struggle of talking with someone is that it is articulate. Which opens the door to an whose first language is not English, where you articulate response. Except that unfortunately, catch glimpses of meaning but have to do a lot of many people have patience only for complaints, guessing because critical words are missing.

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 42 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” and none for explanations. But a few want to know Love” allow so much evil in the world?’ God the explanations, which makes it important to complains, ‘How much evil are you going to provide them, as 1 Peter 3:15 says. tolerate before you let me work alongside you, Khurram says: sharing My infinite power, to knock it down to “If God is willing to prevent evil but not Hell?'" able, The “evil” that God creates then he is not omnipotent, The Hebrew word for “evil” is as broad as If he is not willing but able, Then he is the English word, covering obstacles ranging from malevolent, a war to a stoplight, from a tornado to a leaky If he is both willing and able, basement. It is not limited in meaning to Whence cometh evil? wickedness from which no good can come. If he is neither willing nor able, then It well describes what men call evil but why call him God?” which God calls correction. A spanked child is I had said “OK, I know about Isaiah 45:7, slow to grasp the blessing of correction. He hates and see in it a wonderful message, though easily it, and often hates his parent during it. misunderstood when read superficially, which I Bible commentator John Gill says: would love to explain if anyone is interested.” “"evil" is also from him; not the evil of Khurram doesn’t express interest in my sin; this is not to be found among the explanation, but claims his own. He claims that creatures God made; this is of men, “evil” unleashes demons. He says this verse shows though suffered by the Lord, and that God favors Satan, and therefore God, and me overruled by him for good: but the evil too, are “pure evil”: of punishment for sin, God's sore “It's true Isaiah 45:7 had a wonderful judgments, famine, pestilence, evil message .. Evil is a great test of character , if you beasts, and the sword, or war...” choose to look at it that way..one which sadly most Commentator Adam Clarke analyzes the of us are incapable of passing with[out] the tragic sentence construction: unleashing of demonic entities everywhere upon “I make peace, and create evil - Evil is an unsuspecting faithful populace�� ..clearly here evidently put for war and its pointing to the unpalatable FACT that Satan attendant miseries. I will procure peace Lucifer �� rather self evidently now enjoys for the Israelites, and destroy Babylon God's favour! � He who has eyes to look must by war. I form light, and create see..�I prefer pricking through the delusion and darkness. Now, as darkness is only the straight calling your "God", and by extension privation of light, so the evil of war is *YOU...PURE EVIL!! ���” the privation of peace.” For an example of evil, he links to a video Commentator Albert Barnes: about missing children, which of course is fairly “Of darkness, it is literally true also that pure evil. the night is formed by him; that he How can YOU ignore God’s resources for withdraws the light of the sun, and stopping evil, and say you love? leaves the earth enveloped in gloomy MY ANSWER: shades. It is emblematically true also On April 8 of this year I wrote, in the that calamity, ignorance, comments below: “Unfortunately not that many disappointment, and want of success are people are moved by the suffering of little children ordered by him; and not less true that all to even seriously oppose butchering them before the moral darkness, or evil, that prevails they are born. [When men complain about what on earth, is under the direction and God won’t do, but which they will not do either, ordering of his Providence. There is no the complaint is exposed as an excuse.] reason to think, however, that the words “Men complain ‘Why does a “God of ‘darkness’ and ‘evil’ are to be

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 43 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” understood as referring to moral that’s what you mean I don’t know his heart to be darkness; that is, sin.” able to defend him from you judgment that his Barnes goes on to remind us that the paganism “comforts his individual beliefs”. But I context is the actions of the emperor Cyrus; this can tell you that my years of contact with the verse is saying that what Cyrus has done, God has occult expose it as self-centered, superstitious to managed for His good purposes. the point of religious opposition to evidence of the Answers to Bible puzzles: easy to find Bible and God, and not just ignorance of the Answers to this and other questions about meaning of life but rejection of meaning – the Bible have been published for centuries, and determination to dismiss life as meaningless. It is are readily available online just by googling any not, and never was as history proves, the “field of verse and reading the commentaries. Some dreams” in which people can be all they can be, commentaries are written by skeptics; but reason and work hard with hope, and create, building tells us that if the court wants to test whether the technology and freedom. accused is guilty “beyond reasonable doubt”, we The images, out of context, can certainly don’t listen to only the accusers, but we also listen symbolize many things. But any serious attempt at to the witnesses for the defense. So the metaphors which all fit together into a unified train commentaries we need to consult, if we want to of thought cuts the options way down. I have seen see if a verse is consistent with other Scripture, a few fair attempts, but nowhere near 100. I would makes sense, and is supported by scientific challenge you to find links to even 10 investigation, are those commentaries written by interpretations that are both thoughtful and believers. comprehensive. Will you help? Will you get involved? Will Reality is bigger than Robert Plant. It’s you engage with the darkness in human hearts even bigger than me. What is important is Who which turns people away from the blessings that gets the last laugh: flow from self-sacrificing love which Heaven Psalm 2:1 Why do the nations gather offers, to the alleged delights that flow from self- together? Why do their people devise serving dehumanization of others that Hell offers? useless plots? 2 Kings take their stands. Or are you content to only complain and Rulers make plans together against the accuse? (A question for everybody, including LORD and against his Messiah by myself.) saying, 3 "Let's break apart their chains and shake off their ropes." 4 The one ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ enthroned in heaven laughs. The Lord makes fun of them. 5 Then he speaks to them in his anger. In his burning anger June 29 6:41 pm Joe Garchar he terrifies them by saying, 6 "I have All I know is that after years of studying installed my own king on Zion, my holy the occult, dozens of religions and cultures, you mountain." 7 I will announce the are going to gravitate to what comforts your LORD'S decree. He said to me: "You individual beliefs and unless you can be unbiased are my Son. Today I have become your and not afraid to think out of the box, you can go Father. 8 Ask me, and I will give you OCD with those beliefs either way. There is the nations as your inheritance and the enough play on words in this song to keep Robert ends of the earth as your own laughing at all the conclusions. It can mean 100 possession. 9 You will break them with things, but not one specific thing! an iron scepter. You will smash them to pieces like pottery." 10 Now, you kings, Occult: “field of nightmares”, not dreams act wisely. Be warned, you rulers of the Biblewizard July 1 1:21 am earth! 11 Serve the LORD with fear, Are you talking about Robert Plant, when and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the you speak of studying the occult for years? If Son, or he will become angry and you

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 44 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” will die on your way because his anger “Here’s what it really means.” will burst into flames. Blessed is June 14, 11:36 am Larry Napier everyone who takes refuge in him. Its a simple message you cannot buy your way into heaven July 1 11:25 pm Joe Garchar No!. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Biblewizard: July 2 12:14 am June 13 12:37 am failed2yield No, what? I'll start an internet rumor. Plant was a visionary and in one of his visions he saw Hillary's July 3 12:54 pm Joe Garchar run for President. No, I studied the occult for years, not Robert Plant. I'm not talking about Robert Plant. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “Here’s what it really means.” June 20 6:22 am Ryan Furlong June 11 6:40 pm Patrick O'Donnell Fugg off. Whatever. They wrote a song to fill out an album to satisfy a record label and go on tour, they ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ didn't write Mein Kampf or something that was written for everyone to take dead serious. It's a June 18 7:38 pm time traveler song, it's entertainment. They were high on pot And Jacob went out from Beer-sheba, and and acid and wasted I'm sure when they thought it went toward Haran. And he lighted upon the place, up and wrote it. and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took one of the stones of the place, and put This song is not about nothing. it under his head, and lay down in that place to Biblewizard reply 11:36 pm June 11: sleep. And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up So in other words, you are saying the on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven; congruence of Scripture with the images of this and behold the angels of God ascending and song is irrelevant. Just a “whatever”. Basically, descending on it. And, behold, the LORD stood God is irrelevant. beside him, and said: ‘I am the LORD, the God of The Bible’s relevance Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac. The There is an old saying: “Man proposes, land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and God disposes.” Men – even many Christians – say to thy seed. And thy seed shall be as the dust of the God is irrelevant to public discussion of public earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and issues, whether political, sports, or other to the east, and to the north, and to the south. And entertainment. in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the This morning Jeff Angelo, talk radio host earth be blessed. And, behold, I am with thee, and for WHO radio in Des Moines IA, had on a will keep thee whithersoever thou goest, and will clinical psychologist to tell Iowa why people bring thee back into this land; for I will not leave commit suicide. Would Angelo ever let a Bible thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to student talk about suicide on his show? What does thee of.’ And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he the Freud cult know about the meaning of life, or said: ‘Surely the LORD is in this place; and I eternal life, or help beyond human help, or love knew it not.’ And he was afraid, and said: ‘How that sacrifices self for others, or esteeming others full of awe is this place! this is none other than the more than self, or resolution [of PTSD or other house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.’ — trauma] through forgiving? The Freud cult Genesis 28:10-17 Jewish diagnoses PTSD; God cures it. But God is “irrelevant” in [the opinion of] this culture. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 45 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” Well, what man thinks about God’s day will come when He [God] will play back the irrelevance is absolutely irrelevant to the ways DVD of our every word, our every thought, our God toys with willful ignorance until it turns into every motive, for everybody. Then Plant’s useful lessons. meaning, and yours, and mine, will be clear to Maybe you WANT to believe no thought everybody. went into the lyrics of this song – they are devoid Meanwhile, if you limit your claim to of meaning, reflecting only the emptiness of the saying any Christian influence in Plant’s life or composer’s wasted, empty, useless life – because songs is very well concealed, (except for one that would validate your own wasted, empty, whose title escapes me right now), I think useless life. everyone will agree. If you insist that nothing in Not to pick on you, but I noticed when I these lyrics could possibly have been inspired by was soliciting gigs in taverns years ago that if you something Plant heard or thought about from the perform only wholesome, family-friendly songs all Bible, you go beyond what you or I can know night long, people in the crowd get uneasy. Any before Judgment Day. wholesome songs need to be followed by a song But whether that is so or no is really validating promiscuity, drinking, drugs, profanity, irrelevant. The fact is these lyrics correlate to the and worse, enough that when you sing your Scriptures I present – I challenge you to do occasional wholesome song, they can be assured something not yet done in this comment stream: that you don’t really mean it – you won’t judge point to a specific lyric and show why it does NOT them for their own sins because you think sin is match the verses I assigned to it – and whether or really cool. not Plant’s lyrics are spiritually helpful, the verses So from that, I understand the motivation certainly are! They are life! Eternal life! to WANT Stairway to Heaven to be just another However irrelevant Plant’s lyrics are, the useless, empty, drug-induced, Satan-inspired song Scriptures are as relevant as relevant gets. with no more thought or intelligence than what you would get from putting a thousand monkeys in ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ a room with a thousand typewriters to see what comes out. This song is not about nothing. But the lyrics of this song disprove your June 1, 2018 1:34 pm lrac rellim theory. They are thoughtful. They are a search for This was written by a young man on acid something more profound than a drug high. who claims to be Celtic. Look at his house and The attention given this song by millions of clothes of that time. He even included " The lord fans disprove your theory. People are seriously of the rings" trilogy in many of his songs. People intrigued, which is a way of saying they suspect can be so daft. Good job picking this as a subject the images point to way more profound ideas than to make people think. This song was written when mere drunken blabbering. I was a kid and I liked it because I thought it Robert Plant, the composer, professes showed that even if you find yourself down, the ignorance of what his song means, and in the short Lord is still there with me. video of him in my introduction, mocks others who search for meaning. Is he in denial? Does he suspect he will alienate his fans if he betrays his June 10 3:22 am Tameron Wheeldon serious side? I love this tune so much that i can play it We don’t have the final say on whether life not for mote.. As i grew older i heard a preacher saying it is the work of the devil.. has meaning Well the song is so attractive that it can Whatever, Plant is not the final authority on actually pull you in without you knowing as it did whether his song, or his life, has meaning, any me. Well I lissten from the lyrics YOUR more than you are the final authority on whether STAIRWAY LYES ON THE WISPERIMG your life has meaning. 1 Corinthians 4:5 says the WIND.. As i played it I was shocked when o

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 46 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” started saying hears to my sweet satan come take slavery, torture, murder, and war, entire continents my hand.. captive to superstitious dehumanizing paganism. Theres power in satan.. 666. 666 666.. What I have done with this song is to Well i was young and thought nothimg of identify Scriptures that best match the metaphors it.. But i realized it was with me. The song itself of these lyrics yet which tell a unified story. I have took me in deap.. I new it was evil nut just cant been amazed at how this exercise not only results shake it.. I still play it and i feel like paul in the in a message from Scripture that flows smoothly, bible.. Knowing wrong and discontinuing to do but which also offers interpretations of these song so.. images which flow smoothly. It is the work of the devil.. THE PIPERS But what if the images of this song, CALLING YOU TO JOIN HIM.. Well, it did it understood “correctly”, contradict Scripture? Then job.. Capturing the world.. Its all part of satans it is Scripture by which we identify errors in this cunning trickery.. Im gonna take the free bird route song, not any “truths” in this song which identify from now.. DO WHAT THOU WILT... errors in the Bible! Really deep theology. This song is not about nothing. To Tameron: Matthew 4 describes Satan’s June 10 11:21 AM Biblewizard reply: effort to tempt Jesus. Like God’s critics today, On June 1, Irac Rellim said he or she found Satan started with a Bible verse but claimed it led God in this song. This morning, Tameron to an outlandish position. Jesus responded with Wheeldon said he or she is captured by the devil other verses from the Bible which gave a sensible through this song. This is a response to both of perspective to the verses Satan twisted. Job 1 tells them. First, to Irac: where Satan asked God to torture Job and God To Irac: Amazing testimony! I am said OK. interested in which phrases from the lyrics you can Satan has no power over you point to that gave you that optimism. I hadn’t From these verses I conclude that you are thought of it, but yes, I sense an optimism to this wrong about Satan’s power. He doesn’t have any. song too. He has to ask God for permission to hurt anybody. Spiritual gold is buried all around God gives it, when He can use it to help us, Let me see if I can put it in words that because He loves us all, apparently even Satan, many listeners can relate to: the very effort so and wants to answer our prayers to the extent He many thousands, if not millions, have gone to, to can do so in a way that helps everybody. discern meaning in these obscure clues, shows an God used it to deliver Job from his optimism that if one digs, there is very likely crippling fear which Job confessed in Job 3:24. something there to find. Something of enough Fear is a hellish torment. value to reward a hefty amount of digging. 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but And since everyone agrees the message is perfect love casteth out fear: because somehow spiritual (although people are divided fear hath torment. He that feareth is not whether the spiritual dimension is dark or light) made perfect in love. the hope is that a spiritual treasure may reward God even answered Satan’s presumed those who dig. And where there is any spiritual “prayers” to kill His Son, Jesus, and then used value, there is God. Satan’s role in that to offer salvation to all of us, The spiritual danger that has ensnared including you. human beings for 6,000 years has been to dig Satan has no power to bind you, outside the through one’s imagination with little interest in power of your own imagination, which you can comparing the resulting air castles with revelations heal by turning to the Word of God. from God, or even with evidence, or reality. This If you do not trust the Bible, trust evidence. has resulted in the most violent, cruel religions that Test the Bible by the evidence that it is true. For Satan could think of, that inspire humans to example, did Jesus really rise from the dead? You

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 47 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” needn’t live your life in doubt. The only thing that can keep you in doubt is if you don’t care enough June 8 8:48 am phatminer [about] what is true to read the evidence. A general It's Rock and Roll apathy about God, and about evidence of God, darkens the world today. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My review of some of the evidence is at http://saltshaker.us/BibleStudies/WhoRoseFromDe ad.pdf. The proof that Jesus, and no one else, rose June 8 5:27 am Ed Stickler from the dead, and communicated afterward with analyze thy self man, is proof that [His teachings are trustworthy about] a better world than this [that] awaits our Biblewizard response: acceptance of it, and that better information about It is far more interesting and less that world is found in the Bible than anywhere embarrassing to analyze other people. else. You write that you are going to “take the ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ free bird route from now” - an image as good as any in this song! Yet you still play the song, and June 4, 10:56 am The GT is here believe it is wrong to play it. Ridiculous..except for the obvious this Romans 14 ends with the statement that if video is really reaching. you do what you believe is wrong, then even if it is not wrong outside your own imagination, your Biblewizard response, June 10: imagination makes it wrong. Actually the word is Your perspective would be so helpful to me “sin”, which in Greek means to “miss the mark”, if you would give examples of which analogies in or to fail to reach your goals. the lyrics fit poorly the connections to the Bible I don’t want to encourage you to do what that I have made. you believe is sin! But I want, as much as you do, to see you free of sin. So please consider this way ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ of escape: Listening to this song, written by a June 2, 6:33 pm LA. Lady professed admirer of a Satanist, is not what is Love it! Love your background also!��� wrong. What is wrong – deadly – is taking off your spiritual “thinking cap” - your reading of and Biblewizard reply, June 10: trust in the Word of God – as you digest ANY Thanks! work of ANY human. My video offers many Scriptures to put Robert Plant’s lyrics in a healthy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ perspective. Read the Bible a lot, seek understanding, trust it, and you can walk through the thickets of any pagan, secular philosopher or June 1, 2018 4:16 am Mr. Hesky demagogue and your biggest struggle will be to it's a great song and it always gives me keep reading after you discover how stupid it is. great joy when I hear it

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ May 30 2018 Biblewizard June 9 12:44 pm Joshua Fields (Joshua Fields comment was removed for Response to Scott Carter, who posted gratuitous profanity.) gratuitous profanity early this morning, which I deleted for the sake of any reader who may ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ actually like to think, without being shocked from its exercise by raw inarticulate hatred: you say

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 48 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” “led zep are satanic”. Who has said they are not? it, how did you become the source of greater authority on these points than him? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (2) Even if demons were its documented authors, how does that prove God did not use them “Here’s what it really means.” to write a Gospel message? May 28 4pm Theresa Graham Elsewhere in this comment stream I list the This song was written by demons. Even Scriptures where demons frequently testified that played backwards has meanings. Look it up Jesus was the Son of God. backwards. The mind can interpret words Free will to choose; not always to act backwards and Satan uses this to his advantage. God gives all of us free will to choose any Alister Crowely speaks of this mind control and it action we want, but not always free will to act or has been scientifically proven. The more you listen speak as we intend; God manages the balance the more you become programed to have between our freedom and our safety from each sympathy for Satan and the one third of his other that way. followers the now demons that were cast out of “It’s a joke, son.” heaven with him. They are jealous beyond reason (3) Who has said it “is” a “Christian song”? because they can never return to heaven. The Lord I said, tongue prominently displayed in cheek, that will return soon and they work hard to drag as I wanted to MAKE it a “Christian song”. Can you many down with them as they can before it's too discern the difference? late. Demons constructed this song with meaning I have never hinted that I thought the pertaining to them as well as the foolish that sell composers or performers saw or wanted any their souls for riches. Heaven cannot be bought or Christian message in their lyrics! To claim such a reasoned it is by the life you live here on Earth. thing would not only violate the point of #1 that Don't be fooled into believing it is a Christian song such a thing can never be known before Judgment from people who may mean well but really don't Day as long as the human composers and know. But the credit goes to the demons and their performers profess ignorance, but would [claim] agenda is never good. They will laugh at us when an amazing development given what else we know we commit sin and would like nothing more than about them. to see us slit our throats. I love a good rock song I went on to explain, in my introduction, but there you have it. Stay close to the Lord in that the way I have “made” the lyrics render a prayer. Christian message was by finding Scriptures which (1) correspond to the images of the lyrics This song is not about nothing. without feeling forced, and (2) tie the lyrics Biblewizard: together into a train of thought that doesn’t feel Response to Theresa Graham, who said, like it is bouncing from subject to subject. (I didn’t much more lucidly two days ago, “This song was say it in those words.) written by demons....Don’t be fooled into Animals are subject to "mind control". Not believing it is a Christian song....the credit goes to humans, that I can find anywhere in the Bible, the demons and their agenda is never good.” which says we will be judged for our thoughts and (1) You say it as if demon authorship were words, as if we ourselves are responsible for them. somehow inarguably documented. But how do you Human minds are subject to temptation. But God know? How can you know? offers freedom from sin to anyone who will accept When I was researching the various it. interpretations out there, it seemed half of what I read found Christian symbols, and most of the rest ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ seemed spiritually neutral with a smattering of demonic theories. But as I point out in my “Here’s what it really means.” introduction, when the human author professes May 24 1:12 pm Aaron Wolfenbarger ignorance of what it means or even of who wrote

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 49 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” Actually he never said that. In FACT he is going to carry your internet rumor because said it was hard enough writing the lyric forward nobody gives a shit about you which is why you let alone backward when asked if that held any made the video to begin with, in order to tell weight for which he said that jokingly. Your just yourself that your somebody because deep down some crazy old man trying to prove that your inside you KNOW your completely irrelevant. somebody. you DONT love God or you wouldn't be giving focus to the devil at all. Really deep theology. Reply by Biblewizard May 25 8:00 pm May 24 1:14 pm Aaron Wolfenbarger It is not clear who or what you are Ya THAT is true everyone has their own responding to, since no one in all these comments interpretation because it vague and whimsical and has claimed to be able to (or to want to) move your not meant to be taken seriously. Its light hearted hand, but in case it's me, your claim is that you and that's ALL it is. Its like art when its good know what motivates me, and what I think of everyone relates when it isn't nobody cares! myself. Judgment Day & Personal Attacks This song is not about nothing. That is a claim that God has reserved for May 24 Biblewizard: 7:15 pm response Himself: I am unable to guess to whom or to what 1 Corinthians 4:5 "So don't judge you are responding. I would like to know. anyone now. The time for judging will be when the Lord comes. He will shine Reply by Biblewizard, 7:48 pm light on everything that is now hidden in “Light hearted” is the last description I darkness. He will make known the would expect for lyrics as tantalizing as those in secret purposes of our hearts. Then the “Stairway to Heaven”. praise each person should get will come Please correct me if I misunderstand your from God." (ERV) logic: you appear to mean that NO art or music is To claim this divine ability as your own is “meant to be taken seriously”, at least not in the the most common type of "personal attack", or "ad sense of searching for any “meaning” in it; if it is hominem" attack. It is used when you can't refute a “good, everyone relates”, whatever that means. message, so you accuse the messenger. It doesn't But you appear to use the word “relate” to matter if the accusation is false; it has achieved its mean something other than to “understand”. purpose of diverting attention from the message. Certainly there is a pervasive movement in Surely the message of my video did not fly philosophy, art, music, and religion that is in as far over your head as you indicate. My video denial of the possibility of any “meaning” in says nothing about me being "somebody" or being anything at all. When people proclaim that nothing “relevant”, but says everything about God moving should be taken seriously, I follow them part way in the lives and hearts of everybody and of human and do not take them seriously. history. The message is God, not me. God merits But life, God, and meaning, I take very our attention as the focus of our discussion; I don't. seriously and am rewarded by satisfaction so amazing I am anxious to share it, but amazed at “Here’s what it really means.” how few others seem interested. “You’re insane.” May 26 1:09 pm Aaron Wolfenbarger “You’re insane.” The man who wrote stairway to heaven he May 24 Aaron Wolfenbarger said its hard enough writing lyrics forwards. its not a gospel song dude yoru retarded Furher stairway is NOT a gospel song unless your and you didn't move anybodys hand and I can part of the harlot church, that great whore of prove. All you have to do is put your money where bayblon that rides the back of the beast. I am your mouth is and try to move my hand to write pretty certain that you are since your trying to turn anything, THAT would be a miracle, also nobody

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 50 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” this into gospel music. May 24: Biblewizard 7:35 pm Biblewizard reply May 26: Naughty words forced me to remove a So you say I am “antichrist” because I am comment a week ago by someone who built his “trying to turn this into gospel music”? I don’t fictitious online name on the name "Satan". [May know which surprises me most: that I am 16 11:17 am SaTaNaMa] But without the “antichrist”, or that being antichrist, what has dirty words, it was: "You Christians and Jews are found me out is that I turn lyrics often regarded as stupid. Rober Plant is an occultist and studies satanic into a Gospel message! Allestier Crowley's work. Stairway to Heaven was You say I am free to “color it” with my a song written automatically. In other words, a “perceptions” because “the person creating it Demon wrote it through him. Go worship your [didn’t] tell you what it means”, except that when I [blasphemy] and quit trying to make fake do, I am “stupid”? connections." I wonder how many people actually enjoy These statements go beyond anything Plant reading comment streams stuffed with clever has said, of course. It is not generally a boost to insults? Or insults that aren’t even clever, which your credibility to make up facts and pass them contain misspellings, bad grammar, and don’t even off as evidence of your authority to insult others make sense? (Otherwise called “personal attacks” and blaspheme God. or “ad hominem attacks”: attacks which attack a messenger to distract attention from a message that ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ is harder to attack.) Suppose I started deleting all the ad hominems in this comment stream, leaving only May 13 4:17 pm beard & The Nose the really thoughtful exchanges. Would that make entertainment this discussion more interesting? Or how many Interesting readers would then feel cheated out of really quality entertainment? May 13 4:18 pm beard & The Nose entertainment Really deep theology. Kinda pointless for all these breakdowns I kind of see the draw for a person to post where even the band has no idea what the songs insults. I even see a bit of good intention in it: about. But you smoke a joint and listen it's human consciousness has a natural pressure to take beautiful. Don't put it on backwards tho lol. ?￰ﾟﾘﾉ? a stand for good against evil. So the easiest way to ￰ﾟﾘﾉ? do that, is to look for evil wherever you turn, so you can have something to insult. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The problem is when that motive is not coupled with enough love or respect for others to May 7 7:28 am Eric Miller make you careful to be accurate, so that you end profanity by Eric Miller deleted up shooting people trying to help you, or even shooting yourself. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 7:17 am Rick Davis May 7 “You’re insane.” The short lived hippie phrase "what's the 1:11 pm Aaron Wolfenbarger word" was said to be in reference to "with a word NO stupid the song like all art is meant to she can get what she came for" be what it is meant to be unless the person creating it tell you what it means since he didn't its left for ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ your perceptions to color it, since your an antichrist you believe its a gospel song. “Here’s what it really means.” May 4 3:15 pm steve lawrence ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 51 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” It is a reference to an escalator taking you [I didn’t respond for awhile. Who is he to the next floor in a shopping mall. addressing? What did someone say that brought out that judgment from him or her? Oh well.] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Really deep theology. “Here’s what it really means.” April 12 10:36 am Biblewizard response to Chris “You’re insane.” I hate it when my fellow Bible believers May 1 10:25 pm dj drew prophesy that someone is going to Hell. 1 All these weirdos got nothing better to do Corinthians 4:5 explains why that with their time than claim they have the secrets of is...uh...inadvisable. God revealing the true meaning to life, and But at least when they do it, the context everything else in between. Its nothing but a bunch tells me what behavior is being judged as a ticket of gossip theorists and bland conspiracies for like to Hell, and I at least know who is being in kind people too bored and lazy in life to accept addressed. When you, Chris, make the prophecy, I the true meanings of things and get on with their have no idea who you are even addressing, or what lives. They eat this crap up because they refuse to ideas or words trigger your passion. accept the truer understanding in life to life itself. Surprising facts about Hell Notice how much this guy resembles a weasel or Did you know the fire of Hell is a common squirrel and the only thing giving him even his experience to all of us? Mark 8:43-50 make it our own infamous notoriety is his claims to reveal the goal to avoid the place, Hell, but to keep that fire, secret meanings of things? Actually her has no within us always, "salting" us. idea what is going on and if someone revealed his The difference? In Hell, that fire is not own underlying real truths, he would probably "quenched". Fascinating stuff, huh? Then Hebrews make news the next morning after recovering his 12 tells how God disciplines all of us the way body from his infamous bridge jumping routine. parents discipline children, for their own good, out Poor fools. of love; the chapter concludes "For our God is a consuming fire." Had you noticed that? “It’s a joke, son.” I wrote a book about these clues: "Eternal Biblewizard response May 7: Hell: Heaven's Loving Purpose". Preview it at I haven't been highly motivated to respond www.saltshaker.us/Hell-Fire to this because it is difficult to discern a clear idea in it, distinct from personal attack, to which a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ thoughtful response is possible. I think DJ's post illustrates the problem with humor. A lot of the world's humor works by April 2, 2018 3:17 am Brad F deliberately misstating some truth to, in the best Athiest don't believe in myths silly rabbit, humor, make the truth actually more clear: Trix are for kids. Let me guess, you didn't help sometimes by exaggeration, sometimes by getting George Carlin with his writing? tangled up on double meanings of words. Humor makes truth easier to swallow. Humor sugar coats Atheists’ Myths truth. 10:16 am Biblewizard Response But people who don’t discern that it is a ???? "Atheist don't believe in myths" (sic)? joke can get really angry with the humorist’s How about the myth that everything came seeming stupidity. out of nothing all by itself? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How about the myth that dinosaurs never lived at the same time as humans despite the April 10 11:53 pm Chris Calo graphic description of brontosaurus in Job 40 and That's because your getting closer to going Tyrannosaurus Rex in Beowulf? to hell dude How about the myth that democracy started

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 52 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” in Athens in 600 BC, where the mob of one city "mountains", bringing us to where the strongest elected one leader, (except for the 80% of the nation on earth has no slaves, and has virtually no people who were slaves) and not in Israel in 1200 hunger, and has made moderate progress even BC where everyone in every city elected all their against cancer. leaders, Deuteronomy 1:13, with a robust We can know this is progress that God codification of equal rights for all, Exodus 12:49? wants for mankind, because it is the natural How about the myth that democracy in our consequence of the mentality of serving others time was revived by nonChristian philosophers rather than tyrannizing others that Jesus planted in (who in fact had no problem with slavery or the human consciousness, and it is the reward idea of superior races) and not by Christian specifically promised in Luke 6:48 and other martyrs whose translations and dangerous places for being generous. distribution of Bibles fostered not only the But consider how much progress towards worldview of equal rights for all because we are Jesus' ideal civilization has made, that cancer has made in the Image of God, but the literacy, to become even noticeable! In past centuries, in the make democracy possible? freest and richest of nations, the slavery, filth, How about the myth that since the tyranny, lawlessness, torture, and other primitive Supreme Court isn't bright enough to tell whether conditions put a little thing like cancer pretty far babies of humans are humans, therefore they down on the list of things to worry about. Now if aren't, so torturing them to death isn't murder? we can just resist the temptation to slice off our How about the myth that George Carlin is neighbor's head for disagreeing with us about God smart enough to write clearly, but God isn't?? long enough to think about cancer, we can and will "Atheist don't believe in myths", (sic) whip that too. Are you on board? indeed! Unfortunately not that many people are moved by the suffering of little children to even 3:49 am Biblewizard response to Brad F whom I seriously oppose butchering them before they are had to remove for filthy language and blasphemy born. That is part of what needs to change as we against God: work on cancer. Look, Brad, we can't have filthy language Men complain "Why does a 'God of Love' like that in a video about Heaven! Sorry I had to allow so much evil in the world?" God complains, remove your comment of a couple of minutes ago. "How much evil are you going to tolerate before “How could a God of Love permit evil?” you let me work alongside you, sharing My As for the one cogent thought buried infinite power, to knock it down to Hell?" among your naughty words, your anger with God for letting children be born with cancer: April 8 Biblewizard How can YOU ignore God’s resources for [Note to myself: I started the following stopping evil, and say you love? further response but didn’t finish it, and didn’t What are you doing about curing cancer, if publish it:] you really care about the children more than God Really deep theology. [does]? Brad, I looked again at my stored copy of The part of the Gospel message more your hostile comment, and noticed another phrase wonderful than even many pastors have the that might have been a serious thought: “If you courage to repeat, is that even the evils as huge as truly believe in God, then give all your belongings "mountains" that make us doubt life's purpose, WE away and join the Amish.” CAN PULL DOWN if our faith is enough not to Blasphemous and insulting as you give up. presumably meant that, it raises a question that Mountains of Evil pulled down by the Bible might possibly interest somebody. Jesus told the rich young man to give everything he had to the Civilization has progressed from Jesus' poor and follow Him, follow Him physically, time to now by people pulling down a lot of those while He remained on the earth.

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 53 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” The more we serve, the more we prosper moderator of views about the meaning of these Obviously that could not have been a lyrics, since the top Zeppelin authority in the command for everybody, nor was it given to world, their composer, can't understand them. anybody else, nor has any theologian ever thought We are left with a string of fascinating it was so meant. But it has been understood to metaphors which appear to touch on deep spiritual generally mean that to the extent we are motivated topics, but in glancing, like glimpses of street by luxury, we do need to set ourselves free to signs through heavy fog. serve. When archeologists dig up a string of It indeed seems counterintuitive that metaphors, at least they can search for clues to serving others, rather than yourself, would be the their "meaning" in the artifacts of the surrounding key to [our own] prosperity, and yet that is culture. We can't even do that. So what CAN we precisely the principle upon which modern do? We can only rummage through our own technology is founded. We sweat and struggle to spiritual understanding to reconstruct what the fog think of, and then to develop, what others will obscures, connecting those glimpses into a map appreciate. The more we serve, the more we clear enough to get us home. prosper. I assume that by "you are really reaching", Generally. you mean what the phrase usually conveys: that But some of us choose to give away even the match-up between the metaphors and my this natural consequence of serving. Some of us go application to reality is a poor match. The Bible beyond providing what others will appreciate, to actually has a verse about bad analogies: providing what others truly need but don’t Pro_26:7 The legs of the lame are not necessarily like, and won’t pay for, and to some equal: so is a parable in the mouth of degree persecute us for, in the same spirit in which fools. children torment their parents for making them If you see awkward leaps in my clean their room, eat their vegetables, and practice application, or in my stringing of the metaphors their violins. together, please be specific. Let's discuss them. But for adults, the examples are things like freedom. Truth. Challenge. Evidence of God and March 31 5:14 pm Robert Adams of the urgency of acknowledging reality. The Look don't get me wrong, I applaud your nature of Darkness that government sponsors. effort but can you honestly not say you went with song because it was there most successful and the ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ word heaven is there. Reading your comments shows me your educated. But this comes off like the efforts of a March 30 11:41 am Robert Adams child , dude . As a devout Catholic and Zeppelin fan , i And thats WHAT I meant by reaching. can honestly say, you are really reaching. There are other Zep songs that you could have gotten across what ever message you hoped to get This song is not about nothing. across . aBut this didnt get it. I can give you a Criteria for what lyrics “mean” better perspective on these issues if you'd like and March 31 9 am Biblewizard response I am a songwriter so I have skills to help you if By what standard? You can say "honestly"; you desire how about logically? We face lyrics whose author disclaims any March 31 11:45 pm Biblewizard response opinion about what they mean, rendering Yes, I am interested in your perspective. irrelevant any connection with Zeppelin. I can’t figure out your question: “can you That is, no ideas, or themes, or opinions, or honestly not say you went with song because it worldviews, of Zeppelin can step forward as a was there most successful and the word heaven is there”. What started me on the lyrics was that

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 54 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” some of my music students, who I perform with, proportionate to how freely we forgive. wanted to perform the song. As I learned it and 1 Corinthians 4:15 Judge sang it, the lyrics grew on me. I wondered what nothing before the time when God will they meant. I googled them and found that reveal the intentions of everybody, and opinions are all over the map and the composer then every man will receive praise from professes not to understand them, which I took for God. (Along with correction.) a wide open door. God comes to open hearts. Entire books are I am interested in what you can say filled with the testimonies of people in Iran to specifically to teach me what is childish about the whom Jesus has personally appeared, to lead them slide show I created. Please be specific. A general to Him. insult that does not articulate any justification for itself is not educational. March 26 7:55 am Tro Rt Kilam Lalive True! LZ records a gospel (Robert Adams did not respond again.) song from the 1920’s that Blind Willie and Bob Dylan both covered too. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jan 26: Tro Rt (edited) Attacking the Bible. I’ve never heard Jimmy or Robert espouse March 28 5:01 am Kilam Lalive themselves to a Christian message in any of their (Kilam Lalive replied to Tro Rt's comment music. J.R.R. Tolkien perhaps, but not salvation Jan 26 about how “could someone find faith through Jesus Christ. Could someone find faith through this music?” ) through this music...... ? subconsciously YES and JESUS OH MY JESUS GUNNA MAKE IT ALRIGHT, phsical This song is not about nothing. graffiti ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,YEP JESUS IS GUNNA Biblewizard reply: An interesting, MAKE IT RIGHT plants last words sydney probably important question. Romans 2 talks about entertainment centre 1980's people who never hear the Gospel yet who "by nature" live by it. despite the considerable obstacle 5:03 am Kilam Lalive (response to Udru a month of living in a pagan, violent, dehumanizing, ago) perverted culture. science fiction Really deep theology. God leaves clues everywhere March 28 5:32 am Kilam Lalive Satanism is so much the mirror image of (replied to Mathew Cooper's snarky Christianity that one might almost understand exchange with me Jan 22) Christianity who never heard of it, simply by Attacking the Bible. doing the opposite of Satanism. God is able to God is not a christian and Jesus despised calculate, from what do with what they have, what and exposed religion they would have done with more, and compare them with us who have everything but let our Biblewizard response 8:45 am Bibles gather dust. (This is my response to Kilam Lalive, who Christians don’t always articulate the responded, 3 hours ago, to an exchange between Gospel any more clearly me and Mathew Cooper about January 22): Here is my serious response, on the off- Rock music, as a presentation of the chance that your statement is serious. Gospel, is certainly not very articulate! On the By “God is not a christian” you might other hand neither are simplistic "free ticket to conceivably be making a fine point of grammar: Heaven" Gospel tracts that say nothing about cost, “Christian” means “follower of Christ”, which or commitment, or pulling down mountains of God is not since God IS Christ. Hebrews 1, evil, or the forgiveness we receive being

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 55 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” especially verse 8. Also John 1:1. whom ye delight in: behold, he shall But by putting “Christian” in lower case come, saith the LORD of hosts. 2 But my better guess is that you are expressing who may abide the day of his coming? contempt and derision for the whole Bible whose and who shall stand when he appeareth? New Testament is all about the movement called for he is like a refiner's fire, and like “Christian”. Acts 11:26, 26:28, 1 Peter 4:16. fullers' soap: 3 And he shall sit as a But if you mock the whole Bible, what can refiner and purifier of silver: and he possibly be your basis for supposing what Jesus shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge thought about religion??!! What other literature them as gold and silver, that they may records His views of such a nature? Or are you offer unto the LORD an offering in channeling someone who heard Him? righteousness. 4 Then shall the offering But if you mock the Bible which glorifies of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto Him, and which is almost our only source of His the LORD, as in the days of old, and as teachings, don’t you mock Him? But if you mock in former years. Him, Jesus, doesn’t that mean you reject anything The purification movement He began is He says? So if you really believe He “despised called “Christian”. and exposed religion”, aren’t you telling us you So why has it taken 2,000 years and He is personally love and defend religion? still working on us? If that question interests you, When I follow the logical consequences of contact me through my website at your statements, they lead to absurdity because www.Saltshaker.us and I will share from a book I your statements apparently contradict themselves. am still working on. Really deep theology. Meanwhile, what did Jesus say about the as But if we may agree the Bible is a faithful yet unpurified “Jew’s religion”? record of Jesus’ teachings, we may explore what Mat 23:2 ...The scribes and the He said about “religion”. Perhaps we should also Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All note how the Bible uses the word “religion”, as therefore whatsoever they bid you opposed to the way the word is used today, where observe, that observe and do; but do not it means different things to different people. ye after their works: for they say, and do The word “religion” is in the Bible 5 times. not. 4 For they bind heavy burdens and Acts 26:5; Galatians 1:13,14; James 1:26,27. The grievous to be borne, and lay them on first three times refer to the “Jew’s religion”. Then men's shoulders; but they themselves James describes the difference between a vain and will not move them with one of their a pure religion: fingers. 5 But all their works they do for James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be seen of men: they make broad to be religious, and bridleth not his their phylacteries, and enlarge the tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this borders of their garments, man's religion is vain. 27 Pure religion How might that principle apply to today’s and undefiled before God and the Father predominantly Christian culture, in the U.S.? is this, To visit the fatherless and “Pastors, their seminaries, and the whole widows in their affliction, and to keep Christian business and evangelistic world have himself unspotted from the world. preserved the Word of God and made it available Can you support a “pure religion”? and mostly understandable to everybody. Respect One of Jesus’ major purposes for coming that. Reverence the truths they preserve. But don’t was to purify the Jew’s religion. follow their example to the extent they don’t Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send practice what they preach. And don’t believe their my messenger, and he shall prepare the interpretations except to the extent you have read way before me: and the Lord, whom ye the Word of God yourself and find them credible. seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, For they are all, every last one of them, humans even the messenger of the covenant, like yourself, and tempted, like you are, to put on a

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 56 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” show for others.” only a small group, the select few, the specially initiated alone, especially one ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ with specialized knowledge or interests: an esoteric philosophical doctrine.” March 16 10:22 am Norman Pelley Knowledge so wonderful, like what Satan LOL!!! offered Eve in Genesis 3:5, “ye shall be as gods!” I wonder if you have considered the down ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ side of “esoteric knowledge”? You see, if only a handful understand it, then by definition, the rest “Here’s what it really means.” of humanity can’t. If the rest of humanity can’t “You’re insane.” make sense of your “esoteric knowledge”, then by March 13 2:20 am Jeff Wilson definition, your “esoteric knowledge” looks, to What a bunch of nonsense. This guy has no them, stupid. Let me just put that thought out idea as with the rest of us. However, the title, there, as something for you to watch. Stairway to Heaven is about the Tower of Really deep theology. Babylon. Look it up for yourself. The song is also We can know as much Truth as we want about witchcraft.The different words within the “Swedenborg and others” notwithstanding, song are still very ambiguous and are hard to “no prophecy of the scripture is of any private figure out. When plant sings, it's just a spring clean interpretation.” 2 Peter 1:20. This verse means for the May Queen, he's talking about May Day, many things. One reasonable interpretation that is which is a witches holiday. When he says, if consistent with what Christians generally believe there's a bustle in your Hedgerow don't be alarmed about the Bible, is that anyone can understand it. now, it's just a spring clean for the May Queen. Not everyone wants to, but those who want to, He's talking about taking a piece of a hedge and can. weaving it into a crown for the May Queen. This verse [about “prophecy”] isn’t just about telling the future: “prophecy” is defined, in 1 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Corinthians 14:3, as to edify, exhort, and comfort; “Here’s what it really means.” in other words, just about the full range of Panentheism Christian communication. March 8 1:18 am thenowchurch As for the Bible being Pantheist, Those with experience of esoteric Ecclesiastes 1:2 describes the substance of the knowledge will easily see that the lyrics refer to universe: “Vanity of vanities, all is vanity.” This the Path of Initiation, the spiritual journey from unfortunate interpretation of “hebel” poisons most mundane and materialist obsessions to Oneness translations, but the simple meaning of hebel is with the Panentheist Lord of All. All of which is “breath”. “Breath after breath, all is breath.” not necessarily denying a biblical interpretation It is widely assumed this describes since Swedenborg and others have shown the meaninglessness, emptiness, pointlessness, etc. esoteric truths of humanity's regeneration by But consider: “breath” points to a Breather. It is cooperating with the Lord are very abundant in the saying our universe compares to God as breath Bible. Bless. compares to a breather. Our universe will pass away; God will not pass away, and God grants us “Esoteric knowledge” eternal life so that we will not pass away either! The New Testament uses a word with the March 8 2:53 am Biblewizard reply, same meaning as “hebel” - “pneuma”, to describe Gosh, I was once in a New Age group and both wind and the Holy Spirit! Our universe is talked a bit like that. What handsome words! No composed of the Breath of God, and is sustained mere mundane “knowledge” for us, no! by the Holy Spirit! ESOTERIC knowledge! Our universe is very real, and is very worth “Intended for or understood by

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 57 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” our attention, to do good and overcome evil, even Genesis' invitation to seek godhood, based on our though our work is etched as it were on a own ego and it's efforts. computer file stored on a hard disk which will "But the natural man receiveth not the wear out and crash; our work will be saved! things of the Spirit of God: for they are Where the Bible talks about us being foolishness unto him: neither can he “one”, it means one in purpose: consensus. Not know them, because they are spiritually physically one. Husband and wife become “one discerned." 1Corinthians 2:14. flesh”, but no one thinks that means we become This verse clearly shows that we should not Siamese Twins. It means we remain committed to worry that our esoteric understanding is seen as reasoning with each other, even after we disagree. stupid or foolish by the unspiritual and Our “votes” don’t “cancel” each other. We undiscerning, for that is only natural. cooperate. We help each other. We love. We Your interpretation of 2 Peter 1:20 is not reason. Revelation 3 even promises that we [who] reasonable and in fact incorrect, disproving your overcome will sit with Jesus in His Throne, even point doubly. Scripture is like a Math problem, not as Jesus sits with God in His Throne. That means everyone will understand it but those who truly we are consulted as decisions are made; just as study, pray and contemplate seeking further God today hears our prayers as He goes about guidance will. Someone like Swedenborg just may managing the universe. It doesn’t mean we have some insights and understandings that the physically become God and Jesus, losing our average Joe may not simply because Swedenborg individuality. has put much more study, prayer and time in. An example of this (though not from the Really deep theology. Bible, but your misreading of my comment) is that March 8 12:30 pm thenowchurch I wrote PanENtheist, NOT Pantheist; There is a Before launching into sarcastic ridicule you big difference. Panentheism acknowledges a should first find out what a person is saying and Supreme Being whose Awareness,like the Breath where they are coming from, not just reply based pervades His Universe. The Universe may indeed on your assumptions and projections. pass away but He never will. The concept of ESOTERIC knowledge is I never indicated that the Oneness of fully endorsed by Jesus Christ our Lord; When esoteric initiation was a physical unification, NO, asked by His disciples why he spoke in confusing it is one of Spirit and like you said consensus. parables He answered Your description of that unity is practically the "Because it has been given to you to same as my understanding, so you might want to know the mysteries of the kingdom of stop preaching to the choir and discuss something heaven, but to them it has not been which we can teach each other or at least one of us given . . . . And in them the prophecy of can be edified by. Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing “It’s a joke, son.” you will hear and shall not understand, The irony here is that you are the one who and seeing you will see and not claimed to have the only correct understanding of perceive, for the heart of this people has the Stairway lyrics and to have been the one who grown dull. Their ears are hard of moved Plants hand and pen, in the writing. That is hearing, and their eyes they have closed, pretty esoteric in an exclusive sense and a little too lest they should see with their eyes and close to blasphemy for comfort. Life is NOW , pay hear with their ears, lest they should attention more closely to it. Peace. understand with their heart and turn, so that I should heal them' (Matthew Biblewizard response March 8 11:35 pm 13:11,14,15). " Thanks for the discussion! This is great! Sure seems like a little group understood “It’s a joke, son.” and the masses did not. As for claiming to have “the only correct It is also very different from the Serpent in understanding of the Stairway lyrics”, I was

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 58 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” having a little fun. Part of the fun is seeing the about such matters have no support in the Bible I different reactions from people as they go through see them as complete speculation, because the the mental calculation of whether I am being Bible is the only information about such matters sarcastic or am really stupid enough to believe that comes packaged with all kinds of humanly what I write. Throughout this comment stream testable claims which have been thoroughly tested are several absolute statements about what the by humans and found irrefutable. lyrics mean, so I merely articulated that excessive You say you reject my “interpretation of 2 self confidence more clearly to make it Peter 1:20” as “not reasonable and in fact recognizable for what it is. The glory of sarcasm is incorrect”, but then you restate my interpretation that pointing out the logical consequences of as your own, so far as I can tell: that “not everyone flawed ideas renders them funny. will understand [Scripture] but those who truly I certainly do not present any of my study, pray and contemplate seeking further conclusions as “esoteric” - as being beyond the guidance will.” If that is different than my grasp of readers. I explain the metaphors I propose interpretation of the verse I can’t figure out where. clearly enough for people to decide for themselves I wonder if the definition of “esoteric” is if they make sense, and to publicly dispute them if the point of confusion? Obviously every bit of they are so inclined. Very few of the comments human knowledge is “esoteric” if the word means here take issue with such details, however. information which one must acquire. Passages Misspellings are rife on the internet, so I about “Holy Spirit Gifts” in places like 1 assumed you misspelled “pantheism”, because I Corinthians 12 depicts what is obvious to a had not heard of “panentheism”. civilized culture, that people have a variety of Really deep theology. “talents” by which we contribute to each other, so Panentheism that the expertise of one of us is not necessarily Now that I have read about it in Wikipedia, available to another, although the other likewise it appears to be a compromise between full may contribute equally specialized knowledge. Yet pantheism – God is the total universe – and the the many verses urging us to “seek wisdom” Bible’s complete distinction between our Creator indicate that knowledge and talent on any matter and creation. are available to almost anyone to the extent they Although it has enough variations to fuel work for it. endless arguments about what it is, the Gita is “Esoteric” means something entirely quoted to give an example: “All beings abide in different, so far as I can determine. It describes an Me but I do not abide in them.” In other words, alleged spiritual maturity available only to certain part of God is the universe, but God is more than groups, because other beings are less “worthy”, or just the universe. are “less evolved”, or in some cases simply Wikipedia explains, “While pantheism because these wonderful “esoteric secrets of the asserts that "all is God", panentheism claims that universe” are deliberately kept secret from the God is greater than the universe. Some versions of “masses” and reserved only for the “initiates”. panentheism suggest that the universe is nothing Examples of this kind of thinking are the more than the manifestation of God. In addition, Hindu notion that “evolved” people are born into “...some forms indicate that the universe the Brahman caste and are thus eligible for the is contained within God,[3] like in the secrets of the universe, while the “untouchables” Kabbalah concept of tzimtzum. Also are there to do the work while the Brahmans recite much Hindu thought – and consequently their mantras designed to kill all thought. Or the Buddhist philosophy – is highly White Identity movement which still lingers today characterized by panentheism and in America, which considers Whites the pinnacle pantheism.” of human evolution as opposed to Blacks and I can’t think of any Scripture that indicates Jews. that the universe is any part of God, and if ideas But you have mentioned a few verses which indeed seem to say the Bible, likewise,

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 59 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” keeps secrets for the “select few”, from the shut out all kinds of intelligence. And until we “unwashed masses”. I see these statements of allow ourselves to be alarmed by evil around us Jesus as obvious sarcasm. The very publication of and in us, and inspired by love of our neighbors these “secrets” in the Bible for distribution to the enough to want to do something about it, and whole world disproves any intent to hide any trusting in God enough to wonder if those wisdom from anybody who wants to read it. promises of infinite power to pull down mountains You correctly observe, might actually be true, the plainest explanations “When asked by His disciples why he will seem like babbling to us. spoke in confusing parables He As for my “assumptions and projections” answered ‘Because it has been given to about where you were “coming from”, human you to know the mysteries of the communication unfortunately risks a few stumbles kingdom of heaven, but to them it has towards the goal of correct understanding. One can not been given . . . . And in them the err the opposite direction, being too cautious for prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which dialog to even begin. I play with ideas, but I hope I says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall never ridicule people, because Matthew 5:22 says not understand, and seeing you will see personal attacks put us in danger of Hell Fire. and not perceive, for the heart of this people has grown dull. Their ears are March 9 12:00 am midnight thenowchurch hard of hearing, and their eyes they have Thanks for the clarifications. I apologize closed, lest they should see with their for assuming you simply overlooked the word eyes and hear with their ears, lest they panentheism, whereas, you just thought it was a should understand with their heart and spelling error. Fair enough. As far as 2 Peter 1:20, turn, so that I should heal them' I think this may clarify our miscommunication or (Matthew 13:11,14,15). Sure seems like different understandings of the word "esoteric". a little group understood and the masses What I deemed your incorrectness was you did not.” seemed to indicate that any Christian or any one But this interpretation assumes that Jesus for that matter, who knew English could read the did not WANT to heal them! Pretty hard to Bible and easily understand it and it's specific imagine, knowing Jesus. But “their eyes they have verses,( many of which are still issues of raging closed” describes people who become ignorant by disagreements among Christians ),when we know choice, like the vast majority of Christians today, that things as basic as the Nature of God, The not to mention non-Christians, who are not even Trinity, the 2nd Coming of Christ, the Rapture and interested enough in the Word of God to have read Hellfire and the Thousand years of Christ reigning through the entire Bible even once. “the heart of on earth, are all hotly debated topics, all from this people has grown dull” describes crippling sincere Christians, who understand English. You apathy; it does not describe God keeping secrets see for me Esoteric knowledge is simply that from people despite their deep hunger for wisdom! which we go through hard study, pain, meditation You also cite contemplation and ordeals to come to. It is " ‘But the natural man receiveth not the accessible to anyone wiling to take the pains, to do things of the Spirit of God: for they are so. The concept has indeed been abused by various foolishness unto him: neither can he secret societies and some churches to be exclusive know them, because they are spiritually and hide info from the unwashed masses, but that discerned.’ 1Corinthians 2:14.” it not the correct understanding of this Universal What I see in everyday life, which fits this Truth. On Panentheism I do not get why you are so verse, is hearts so closed to God that they are only stuck on proclaiming that God is not any part of irritated by evidence. Like the wall plaque, “Don’t the Universe, when I described Him as confuse me with facts; my mind is already made PERVADING the Universe and thus maintaining up.” it's wholeness and continued existence otherwise it A closed mind has a wonderful ability to would cease to exist, the same way a human body

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 60 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” would without BREATH. existence of the Universe and living beings, I like your interpretation of Stairway and without which they would cease to exist, NOT thought you might be joshing about having the God who is the Self-Existent One. You seem to only correct one, but was not sure. I would love to want to keep focusing on the red herring of God reason some more, Peace and blessings bro. being part of His Universe, when that is not the form of Panentheism I have described. I fail to see Biblewizard response 12:47 pm any substantial distinction between a human body God, PERVADING [being present dying after exhaling it's last breath and when it can throughout; omnipresent] is an entirely different no longer breathe. Please explain the difference. thing from panentheism, if I understand the words, No analogy is perfect but it holds up to of which I am not certain. I can be present in my support my point that God is present through His house without being part of my house, or my Infinite Awareness throughout the Universe and house being part of me. Doesn’t panentheism without Him nothing would continue to exist. claim that at least part of the substance of God is Peace and blessings. the substance of the universe? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Genesis 1 describes God creating the entire material universe. God fully existed before day Feb 27 6:34 pm one, and did not lose any of His substance by day Dark Matter six, that I can find. God created, by speaking This I will go for. Most pleasurable musical words. John 1:1 says "the Word WAS God." Our they rocked the world words create, and destroy, but our substance is not thereby increased or diminished or borrowed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You seem to mean that because Ecclesiastes 1:2 says, as I said earlier, that “all is Feb 26 Phil Wright 11:07 pm breath”, implying the existence of a Breather, that You're an idiot the Universe is God’s Breath of Life without which God could not exist, “the same way a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ human body would [cease to exist] without BREATH.” But our human bodies exist after we Will Reyes1 hour ago 4:41 pm Feb 25 exhale a breath. It is when we can no longer Bro...pope spelled backwards is epop. BREATHE that our bodies die. Biblewizard response: 5:45 pm March 9 1:56 am thenowchurch Wow! 1.Panentheism means the Supreme God is within the Universe yet is apart from it. It does not ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ necessarily teach that He is part of it. 2.You can be in your house but you are not Feb 24 heat mizer9 hours ago 2:06 am the essence of existence, which God is, and you you dont have to sell your soul did not create the house from scratch, as God did anymore..they have lease options ,rental the Universe. agreements, rent to own options and attractive 3.God is Infinite, He can never "lose any of refinance rates His substance" or be diminished in any way. 4.You totally misunderstood my statement. Biblewizard 12:20 pm Please re-read it. I would never utter such Creepy. This debt management scheme was blasphemy as "The Universe is God's Breath of posted at 2:06 am, February 24, 2018. At 11:08 Life without which God could not exist". That is am, the same morning, an email from utter nonsense. AmericanSpotlight.com reminded me that too I said that God's AWARENESS is likened much debt creates a "bubble" which can "pop" any unto Breath and that Breath maintains the

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 61 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” time: meaningful? Or authoritative? "On January 31, two days before the I pursued my theory at first out of curiosity stock market's recent sell off, former to see how many of the song's metaphors I could Fed Chair Alan Greenspan warned: 'I correlate with a theme of Scripture, and was think there are two bubbles. We have a amazed at how many I could find - possibly as stock market bubble and we have a amazed as Robert Plant was when the first couple bond market bubble.' ...Greenspan of lines escaped his pen unbidden and he was believes the ever-increasing government staring at them. deficit is behind these bubbles...it’s no I began my inquiry after seeing several longer a matter of if, but when the next attempts by people to wrestle the song's metaphors one will pop." to a unified theme, but most attempts dealt with The Bible's name for eternal debt is "sin". only some of the metaphors. Those that addressed The Bible's name for when our debt bubble will all, I felt required too great a leap of logic - too pop, if we won't accept any help and/or if we won't great a stretch - to flow naturally. That natural flow forgive others, is "death". of logic - not as objective criteria as I would prefer - is what I am interested in anyone's scrutiny of. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That kind of scrutiny is the closest I can “Here’s what it really means.” come up with to a meaningful analysis of "what Feb 17, 2018 James Morse kind of song" this is, in the light of its mysterious "Its about being hooked on dope" authorship. (A reporter concluded “This is the only ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ part Plant would really explain, as he said it was ‘a woman getting everything she wanted without “Here’s what it really means.” giving anything back.’ ” That part of "his" song, Feb 15, 2018 the ONLY part he would explain, is also the part of Princeofcups Poc commented: "Not the song whose authorship is mysterious: "I was completely wrong, but not the way that they got holding a pencil and paper, and for some reason I there. Go take a Kabbalah 101 class, and drop the was in a very bad mood. Then all of a sudden my Christian BS, and the lyrics fall into place." hand was writing out the words, 'There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold/And she's buying ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ a stairway to heaven.' I just sat there and looked at the words and then I almost leapt out of my seat." ) “Here’s what it really means.” February 3 Spaniard Martinez10 hours ago 10:22 pm This is no gospel song by any means ! Spaniard Martinez Criteria for what lyrics “mean” I'll get back with you in a couple days sir.I would like to answer all your questions. Biblewizard response: Let me approach the question in another Feb 6 1:01 pm Spaniard Martinez way. Do the slides which I correlate with the @biblewizard,go do a study on pan the metaphors of the song present a Gospel message? piper. If so, then where do you find a mismatch between the song's metaphors and my slides? (That is, “Here’s what it really means.” where do you find that a metaphor of the song 12:46 pm Spaniard Martinez cannot logically correlate to the message of the @biblewizard.Go do a study on jimmy slide I link to it?) page and allister Crowley ,and you will see where If you cannot, then what OTHER criteria jimmy page heart is.Jimmy page was a extreme do you have of what kind of song this is, and why devout fallower of allister Crowley (Crowley is do you think a different criteria is more was a extreme SATANIST) Satinists of today

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 62 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” admire allister Crowley . can I imagine that anyone has thought Plant or Jimmy page was/is heavily into Greek Page were, or are, Christians. folklore and black magic!Jimmpy page even purchased the boleskine castle at one time,which Feb 6 10:42 pm Spaniard Martinez happens to be allister Crowleys home.The sets the @biblewizard,that's why my first comment foundation for what I want to say. Stairway to is about this song not being gospel .Are you a heaven is totally talking about their heaven of believer in Christ as lord?I was wondering if you sorcery and black magic!I only want to bring out looked into Crowley and pan the piper. Do you one portion of the song and expound on it.The believe this song is gospel? just wondering. Im not PIPER in this song is none other then satan.The trying to win a debate here. song says your head is humming and it won't go ,the piper is calling you to join him,in worship of Feb 7 3:29 am Biblewizard response: him. “Do you believe this song is gospel?” How Pan the piper is a half demon half goat in many ways are there to answer that question? I Greek FOLKLORE.The scriptures make this clear already said “it is possible to correlate a gospel in Ezekiel 28:13 notice the scripture says the message with the images of this song”. Even pipes.page and plant knew very well what they though I can’t “imagine that anyone has thought were talking about.the other part of the song Plant or Page were, or are, Christians.” In the short says,and it whispered that soon if we all call the info box below the video I wrote “I want them [the tune,then the PIPER will lead us to reason.the last interpretation of the lyrics] to be a Gospel part also says,if you listen very hard the TUNE message.” I am confident that Plant and Page did will come to you at last.the tune of the piper the not, although I am hopeful that will change. devil. This song is not about nothing. Go do a study on pan the piper.many But it is a fact that Plant has cast doubt on Satinists will say they know when it's time to the opening line of the song, the only line that he worship the piper cause in their spirit they here a has indicated he understands. It is also a fact that humming and it won't go cause the PIPER is the metaphors of the lyrics, whatever meanings calling you to join him or reason with him. Just they may be stretched to fit, encompass spiritual cause the song says stairway to HEAVEN does not things, and Satanists do not understand spiritual mean it's gospel.SATAN quoted scripture to things very well or they wouldn’t be Satanists! Jesus.mattew 4:6 didn't mean it was right. So, “is it a gospel song?” That question isn’t answered well enough yet? Well, at least it is Biblewizard response, 9:41 pm not intentionally a gospel song. But God makes What you say about Satan being the piper many things vehicles for the Gospel that kick and is pretty much what my slides say. My slide on scream all the way. that line quotes Genesis 3:5 where Satan is telling God used cruel, wicked, hard-hearted Eve she can be like “gods”. Pharaoh as part of His plan to present the Gospel You say “many Satinists will say they to the whole world, just by being his ordinary know when it's time to worship the piper”. Can stubborn self. God manipulated Satan into helping you give me a link to Satanists saying that? That heal Job of his chronic paranoia – see Job 3:24, could be worth documenting. while letting Satan think it was his own idea! Job 1 You noticed that Satan quoted the Bible; a and 2 show that God even answered Satan’s fact I have noted in these comments. prayer, and can even turn free will for the wicked I can’t imagine that anyone has said this into good for the righteous! song is a Gospel song because it has the word One thing that makes yours almost an odd “Heaven” in it! Certainly not I. My finding is that question is that what often passes for “gospel it is possible to correlate a gospel message with the songs” these days – “praise choruses”, are images of this song, just as demons proclaimed sophomoric, repetitious and trite compared to the 6 that Jesus is Lord according to the Bible. Neither verse hymns of the past that used to be full of

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 63 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” profound, Scripture-based Hymns of the past. @and I'm very legal, my family history (Some of the songs of Carmen are a great traces back to the Spaniards who arrived here in exception.) 1492! Certainly there is nothing about Stairway to Heaven that is sophomoric, repetitious, or trite! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And it is about spiritual things, and I think I have February 5 2:41 pm: udru boika shown that these lyrics can reasonably be "If there's a bussle in your hedgerow? Don't interpreted in a way that is consistent with the be alarmed now .. it's just the spring clean for the Bible. may queen"....means a maiden has lost her The Supreme Court has a principle of viginity.. played backwards it says "oh it's my interpretation of laws. If one way to interpret a law sweet Satan the one who's path makes me sad. would make it unconstitutional but another way Who's power is satan." would be permitted by the Constitution, courts give the law the benefit of the doubt, or at least Biblewizard response 3:30 pm: they say they do, and will not “strike down” the Not knowing if you are joking, I took the law. By that principle, although Stairway to trouble to listen to that section of the song Heaven has been interpreted by others as evil and backwards. I concluded that you were joking after favorable to Satan, the fact that it can be all. I had to struggle to imagine any words at all, interpreted as a powerful Gospel message saves it and none of the sounds corresponded to the from being “struck down” as spiritually message you claim, that I could pick out. If irredeemable. And I actually think my someone has posted that section backwards and interpretation better resolves all of its images into made that claim about it, please tell me the link. a unified message than interpretations I have seen As for the poor maiden, I don’t see any that make it a hymn to Satan. correlation between your interpretation and the There, is that enough of an answer for you? lyrics there either, without redefining several My wife says everything I write is too long, but words of the lyrics. you made me do it. I haven’t seen official rules on how to As to whether I am a Christian? Did you properly interpret a string of metaphors like this watch the video above these comments? Do you song has, but I wonder if I speak for others in think any other faith would claim me? On the saying that an interpretation which seems valid Solid Rock you see me stand, a bright shining is one which unites all the metaphors into a target up at the top, all my bridges to anywhere theme which logically and naturally flows from else pretty well incinerated. My website is one idea into another, not one which addresses www.Saltshaker.US. only one of the metaphors without fitting any of the others. 6:41 am Spaniard Martinez For example, “There’s a lady....” Now if we @@biblewizard,well these days Christians stop there, we might confidently say “this is about are christianizing everything (that's the whole my Sunday School teacher” or “about Nancy point of my thought and debate) you have Pelosi” or “about Lady Gaga” or “about Bruce Christian homosexual churches that preach the Jenner”, etc etc and no one could say we are gospel now,you have Christian Rock , Christian wrong. But when we add the rest of the sentence, rap, Christian gambling ,christian prosperity it is generally felt that if it doesn’t fit our guess preachers,etc etc...Somehow they find scripture to about the first three words, it is “wrong”. justify their wickedness .Divorce and remarriage is rampant and"pastors" twist scriptures to justify ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ what's wrong in itself.

6:43 am Spaniard Martinez February 4: Orsbore This song is about atheism. Play it

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 64 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” sideways and you'll see. know what the song means are just as clueless. I've loved Led Zeppelins music for over 40 Biblewizard response: years but I don't worship them or their music. I played it sideways and it sounded terrible. "Stairway To Heaven" has no dark or occult or otherwise "otherworldly" or swinister or Orsbore satanic or dark mysterious meaning. The meaning Playing a song backwards makes it sound is very down to earth and VERY contemporary pretty bad, sideways is even worse, but you've got and it's staring you directly in your deluded faces to do it if you want to know the truth. Tell me, did and it's been acutely recognizable to you all from you cut it up by words, or by syllables? the day the song was released. The allegory used in the lyric couldn't be BibleWizard more simple. So simple in fact that I'm convinced I didn't cut any words at all, and it still that you all already know Plants meaning and sounded terrible. refuse to admit it to yourselves. ALL you fools who go off the deep end imbuing Pants meaning ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ with all this dark lofty nonsense are so off the mark it's almost like you all actually refuse to see what is right in front of your faces. Comments from Jan 23-Feb 3: Laugh all you want but I know what it means and I will not reveal it until Plant and Page Feb 3: kerranz 2 hours ago are no longer with us and I hope that's a long, long Anyone who's read the Lord of the Rings time from now. I wish Plant, Page and Jones long, should realize that this song is about long, healthy and happy lives. The reason I wont Galadriel...and her struggle against evil at her own reveal it now is because I have respect for them as personal cost, and her eventual reward, returning great musical artists of our time and for the same to the Elvenhome over the seas. "Rings of smoke reason that they have never revealed it. The through the trees" should tip you off. nonsensical scandal that would erupt would be more stupidity and ridiculousness than they could Biblewizard response: handle and they just don't want to deal with it or There are dozens of images, or metaphors, be caught up in it nor do they want the eruption of in this song. You link to one of them – rings of base nonsense to be a part of their legacy. smoke through the trees, and although I can They will NEVER reveal it or even allude GUESS what you might associate that with in the to its actual meaning even after they are gone for Lord of the Rings, I would appreciate if you would that reason but also because it's a work of art and say plainly. If you would care to develop your they know that to explain it defeats the purpose. theory by associating Tolkien’s epic with more Art should not be explained. Everyone should take than one image of this song, I would like to from it what they will and every persons personal consider it. meaning and interpretation is valid BUT Plants meaning when he wrote it is something else. As ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ with every work of art there is what the artist meant when creating it AND then there is the “Here’s what it really means.” viewers meaning that they give it. “You’re insane.” The one clue I'll give (which I'm certain, for the reasons mentioned above, no one will get) Feb 3: (This comment was mrfester42 is this. Americans would get as stupid and excited removed for profanity, although much of it I and angry about it in almost exactly the same way reposted later without the profanity) they got stupid and angry over John Lennon's The guy who made this video is so off base famous "We're bigger than Jesus" comment in the that it's a joke and all who comment that they mid 1960s. In other words, if they knew what

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 65 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” Plant meant when he wrote the lyrics, they would revealed it. The nonsensical scandal that take it the wrong way. would erupt would be more stupidity That clue that I just gave is as direct and to and ridiculousness than they could the point as anyone can get yet I'm sure that, still, handle and they just don't want to deal no one will grasp the clues meaning. Stop all this with it or be caught up in it nor do they ridiculous and childish "Stairway To Heaven" want the eruption of base nonsense to be mystical ___ and get a ____ life already! a part of their legacy." (Comment removed for profanity; youtube doesn’t let me remove just the profanity.) He or she was at least kind enough to provide us this clue: Biblewizard response: Aw, just when mrfester42 looked like he "The one clue I'll give (which was done, he closed with some naughty words that I'm certain, for the reasons mentioned certainly do NOT belong near a song about above, no one will get) is this. Heaven, so I had to remove it. Americans would get as stupid and He or she is basically calling Robert Plant a excited and angry about it in almost liar for saying he doesn't know what his song exactly the same way they got stupid means, and all the rest of us fools for theorizing and angry over John Lennon's famous that it means anything other than what he knows it "We're bigger than Jesus" comment in means but won't tell us because - well here is most the mid 1960s. In other words, if they of his or her explanation: knew what Plant meant when he wrote the lyrics, they would take it the wrong "Stairway To Heaven" has no dark or way. That clue that I just gave is as occult or otherwise "otherworldly" or direct and to the point as anyone can get swinister or satanic or dark mysterious yet I'm sure that, still, no one will grasp meaning. The meaning is very down to the clues meaning" earth and VERY contemporary and it's staring you directly in your deluded He or she is welcome to repost, without the faces and it's been acutely recognizable profanity. Uh, or maybe the profanity is supposed to you all from the day the song was to be another "clue" to the true meaning of this released. The allegory used in the lyric song?? couldn't be more simple. So simple in Wait a minute: I've got to stop assuming fact that I'm convinced that you all these posts under non-names must be posted by a already know Plants meaning and refuse he or a she. What if it is AI? A robot with artificial to admit it to yourselves. ALL you fools intelligence? Maybe this song is about Alexa!!!! who go off the deep end imbuing Pants Maybe Alexa wants to go to Heaven too! If meaning with all this dark lofty anyone can afford the stairway, Alexa can! nonsense are so off the mark it's almost like you all actually refuse to see what is ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ right in front of your faces. Laugh all you want but I know what it means and Jan 29: dhsscd (This comment was removed I will not reveal it until Plant and Page for profanity; youtube doesn’t let me remove just are no longer with us and I hope that's a the profanity.) long, long time from now. I wish Plant, “Here’s what it really means.” Page and Jones long, long, healthy and This guy is full off ____. Anything happy lives. The reason I wont reveal it christard is based on ZERO spirituality. The song now is because I have respect for them is about REAL SPIRITUALITY. This guy did this as great musical artists of our time and video so he could find out from those of us who do for the same reason that they have never

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 66 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” know, will tell him. writings with Christian themes. The very idea of power to kill and destroy represented by the Biblewizard response: 4 days ago (edited) ghouls of the Lord of the Rings and the ring itself dhsscd used a naughty word so I removed is a concept of power not found outside his or her post. Actually the rest of the post was Christianity and the cultures influenced by it. little more eloquent - nevertheless he or she is The tyrants who scoured the world for welcome to repost without filth. I've been on the victims were the heroes of all other cultures; verge of removing other posts. I really appreciate Hindu gods had weapons in their many hands, all these ideas. So I don't want to see them spoiled emperors around the world were considered by filthy words which do not communicate “gods”, and of course violence is how Muslims anything very helpful. I have grandkids who aim for Heaven. By any but Christian values, the certainly hear filth but I want to minimize hobbits were subhuman whose bad karma made anything they experience that I can influence. them so little, and the goblins were the heroes. After all, folks, this is a song about “Power [to destroy] corrupts, and absolute Heaven! power corrupts absolutely”, Lord Acton explained, a principle found nowhere else but in the Bible, “Here’s what it really means.” and a principle well symbolized by The Ring. Jan 29: dhsscd (Comment removed for profanity; The solution to this cosmic problem given youtube doesn’t let me remove just the profanity.) in the Bible, and previewed by the founding of the They feed you ____ on purpose. They United States, is political power that is retained by know exactly what it means. Hint: CHAKRAS all the people, who choose their leaders but then watch over them and retain the power to unchoose ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ them. To the extent America has failed, the failure has been of the readiness of people to watch over “Here’s what it really means.” their government, to pay attention to it, understand Jan 29: ryancosgrovemusic issues, and inform and correct their “public plant himself would tell you the lyrics were servants” as needed. made up quickly and relate to absolutely nothing God models this kind of “power”. Though other than the vibe from the high at the time from holding all power to bless, create, and destroy, the narcotics and alcohol the band consumed at God surrenders most of the choice about how we that time extreme quantities and his love of live to ourselves, and does not pound us into Tolkien submission or even common sense but suffers, Himself, that we might live. This song is not about nothing. Western Civilization is based on a “new Biblewizard reply: kind of power”, a new paradigm, a new definition You say Plant “would” tell me? But DID of greatness, which Tolkien depicted in an epic he? The quote I made part of my review doesn’t clash with the old, and which Jesus described say that. He says he doesn’t know. succinctly: “Absolutely nothing”? The theory that images this rich mean “absolutely nothing” is Luke 22:24 And there was also a about as believable as the theory that our amazing contention among them, which of them universe CAME from absolutely nothing. should be accounted the greatest. 25 Really deep theology. Then he said unto them, The kings of “Absolute power corrupts absolutely” - the the Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and those that exercise authority Tolkien “ring”, and Gospel “service” upon them are called well-doers. 26 But “other than...his love of Tolkien”? Well, ye shall not be so, but he that is greatest that is quite a qualifier, since Tolkien was a among you, let him be as the younger; Christian, a friend of C. S. Lewis, who infused his and he that is prince, as he that doth

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 67 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” serve. 27 For who is greater, he that sits Our words and actions affect people. at the table or he that serves? Is it not he Even if we say NOTHING we say or do “means that sits at the table? But I am among anything”, what does that even mean? Is our you as he that serves. opinion of the meaning of our lives the only opinion? “You’re insane.” I found "I was holding a pencil and paper, Jan 29: ryancosgrovemusic and for some reason I was in a very bad mood. never heard a bigger load of bollocks Then all of a sudden my hand was writing out the words, 'There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is “Here’s what it really means.” gold/And she's buying a stairway to heaven.' I just Feb 3 ryancosgrovemusic 6 hours ago sat there and looked at the words and then I almost BibleWizard no he admitted the lyrics were leapt out of my seat." basically a load of tolkien drug infused nonsense Criteria for what lyrics “mean” and in years to come became to despise Normally, yes, when we look for the performing it because of the biggest lot of bollocks “meaning” of a work, we are looking for the its about. Im a huge zep fan and its nothing to do “original intent” of the author. But with this song, with god. Thats what i love about christians they not only does the author tell at least some can connect anything with gods messages. audiences that he doesn’t know what his lyrics Connect Pages own master and idol..Mr A mean, but this quote leaves us in doubt who is the Crowley with the word of God. GO ON....TRY author!! Is Plant even qualified to tell us the song THAT ONE ;) id love to read that is about nothing, when he doesn’t know who wrote it? Feb 3 Biblewizard response: I found “This is the only part Plant would Can you provide a link where I can hear really explain, as he said it was ‘a woman getting how he says that? I googled “tolkien drug infused everything she wanted without giving anything nonsense” and didn’t have much luck. back.’ ” Well, that’s a bit like saying the I found "Depending on what day it is, I still Declaration of Independence is about Freedom. interpret the song a different way - and I wrote the Yes it is, but it is a bit richer in detail than one lyrics." might reconstruct from only hearing the word If Robert Plant himself comments on this “freedom”. stream, “I may not know what my song is about yet, but it isn’t this!” I would wait for him to add ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “At least not today.” We are coming up on the third anniversary of this post. If on just one of Attacking the Bible. those days his theory agrees with mine, which to Jan 27: KON3110 disprove would take a phenomenal memory, I feel If only there were asylums in the Levant vindicated. 3000 years ago onwards a lot of foreskins would This song is not about nothing. have been saved and not a drop of blood been I found “Terri Gross asked Robert Plant spilled for the mental deranged ramblings of what the song was about on Fresh Aire. His reply - pathological liars ‘I was just thinking about organic stuff really - it isn't really about anything.’ ” Biblewizard reply: Who is ready to believe that metaphors that [Presumable explanation: the Levant is a rich can mean literally nothing? That makes as loosely defined area of the Middle East that much sense as Hindus saying the whole universe is includes at least Syria. just an “illusion” - maya. It takes quite an “Foreskins” are what are removed by imagination to believe that reality is just circumcision, which the Bible commands all Jews imagination. Obviously some are able to pull it to do, a requirement removed by the New off, but that doesn’t make sense either.

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 68 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” Testament from Christians although our American God bless, and have a great 2018 predominantly Christian population circumcises Cheers about 58% of male babies. While many Native Americans over a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ century ago collected the scalps of their victims, often while their victims were still alive, there was Jan 24: Sunny Zona replied to one time in the Bible where foreskins of Peterthepiper's comment from one week earlier Philistines were gathered: King Saul, rebelling Season of the locusts is May thru Sept. against God, asked David for 100 of them as a five month period of the anti-christ. 9-27-2017, “dowry” before David could marry Saul’s virgo constellation will move for 9months bring us daughter, and David brought Saul 200. to the end of may beginning of june. Itll be I know: disgusting. The fact that Saul intetesting to see what happens. Trump 45th would think of such a thing suggests it was president and Babylon had 45 the collapsed.... � common outside Israel; in fact, God’s habit of doing to people what they do to others, Judges 1:7, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Exodus 21:24, Luke 6:37-38, suggests that was how the Philistines treated their victims. As for the “Here’s what it really means.” “pathological liars” that Kon mentions, I have no idea what that’s about.] Jan 24: Karen Kiebooms Isabel - Belisa - Sibela => isla.be ... A ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN is written FOR ME, but I like to be a MYSTERY WOMAN until people understand how disrespectful they are - THE Jan 26: Floyd Zepplin TRUTH is in my name, my birthday and the way Up for personal interpretation, ain’t art how I handle things ... I think that they got the text great? and some guidelines beforehand ... and made it a MASTERPIECE ... so you won’t hear me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ complaining

Jan 26: James Martin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'd be intersted on your thoughts on "After Forever" by Black Sabbath..... Jan 23: Land of Logic Why was this in my recommended? I Biblewizard reply:Amazing, surprising mean I liked it, but I don't watch any videos like it. lyrics! Great message. Important questions, delivered to an audience which seldom hears them, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ before or since. But others have already said that; I “Here’s what it really means.” can't think of anything to add. I can only marvel and thank the Lord for that witness there. January 22, 2018 Lou Martin Everybody subconsciously knows what it Jan 26 reply to Biblewizard: James Martin means.....hence its popularity! BibleWizard despite their name, and the exploration of BibleWizard 1 second ago the darker side of humanity, a lot of Sabbaths That is a fascinating, intriguing statement. lyrics are quite spiritual in nature, well at least the In fact, part of my brain wants to affirm that Ozzy years 1970-78 anyways. subconsciously, I know what YOU mean. Yours was an interesting take on stairway But my conscious mind can't quite wrap to heaven. itself around your theory, yet cannot disprove it thanks for the quick response. either, which makes me curious enough to think

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 69 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” about it awhile longer. Not every semi-rational M athew Cooper 2 days ago statement so intrigues me, however. I wonder If you are a true Christian, and im pretty sure why? you're not, what is you soteriolgy and Christology? Jan 23: Lou Martin [Answering me the day before] BibleWizard 2 days ago Your mind is expanding...which is great That's a pretty broad question! I don't think a book because it takes nothing away from what you now will fit on this comment space. But until you believe...it only adds to it, fills it out as it were, narrow down your question at least I can refer you with deeper understanding. to my website, www.saltshaker.us. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mathew Cooper 2 days ago You think a group of people, at least one of which “You’re insane.” was a devout follower of Crowley's teachings had Jan 23: beatapt5 inspiration from YHWH, Jesus, to write a song Stupid. they weren't sure about meaning of while they were high? That's insane. BibleWizard 2 days ago Elsewhere in these comments I have discussed several verses where even demons publicly acknowledged that Jesus was the Son of 2015 to God. Although many people think the Bible is insane, your freedom to publicly call the foundation of one's culture insane would never have existed without it. You don't find freedom of speech in cultures shaped by other religions except 2017 to the extent they are influenced by the Bible. [Even though this apology is months too The comment record until late for Mathew to see it, I was wrong to imply he had called Christianity “insane”. He merely said January 22, 2018 it is “insane” to think God can influence insane when there were 153 Comments people.] But I never said Plant's lyrics were in “newest first” order – no dates "inspired" by Jesus. What my video demonstrates - Richard Hopkins 3 hours ago and I welcome your rebuttal analysis of it - is that That would be a valid point if their other songs it is possible to build an interpretation of the lyrics about God and heaven didn't do almost as well as which is consistent with both every idea in the stairway did lyrics, with the Bible, and with reality. Although I agree that the very idea that such a thing is George Woodward 14 hours ago possible sounds pretty crazy. Stupid Cook “You’re insane.” Mathew Cooper 2 days ago BibleWizard 9 hours ago I had to stop it at 3 minutes. You're insane. Besides Cook?!! Did you mean to comment on the video that you look exactly like that prolapsed anus that "Cafe in Heaven"? sent the infamous Happy Anniversary video. You Mathew Cooper 2 days ago don't understand the scripture references you use Soteriolgy nore do you understand people. BibleWizard 2 days ago

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 70 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” Sorry I can't offer much in the way of kinda like when Richie Havens done Motherless looks. But I think I am prettier than your language. Child and Freedom together at Woodstock I'm sure I can't guess what video you mean. If you would drugs had a hand in it!! If it wasn't for all of the like to teach me about Scriptures or about people, I drug inspired songs of the 60s and 70s we'd still b would like to learn. Your comment above doesn't listening mayb to classical!! The blues is big part offer much guidance, though. But thanks for of music anyways like zeppelin stevie ray vaughn subscribing! acdc etc etc etc....their influences so let's run [Re-reading this, he could have meant “If Muddy Waters, Howling Wolf, B. B. King, Albert you love Infanticide”] King, Robert Johnson, etc, etc etc backwards and “You’re insane.” see if they were the for father's of satanic music!!! alloclean alloclean 2 days ago Damn I forgot they signed their souls over at the crossroads at midnight for fame!! My bad just What total crap. forget my whole comment!! Lol BibleWizard 2 days ago “Here’s what it really means.” Your opinion about crap would contribute to dart arkana 4 days ago human understanding if it were fleshed out with In the Bible a woman is represented as a church some detail about WHAT specifically you think is who leads her people and the Piper is Satan ezekial crap, and WHY others should think so. 28 Writing on the wall in Daniel 5 when your “Here’s what it really means.” found wanting. "The stairway to heaven" is a RaVen DaWn 3 days ago representation of Christ the only avenue to god This really hurts. You post this! This is a song while Christians attempt to buy their way into written specifically about my own mother. Yes, my heaven but there are only 2 paths you can choose own damned mother. She is also the subject of at from. The tree by the Brook is the tree of least 2 Philip Roth novels ("Alice" in Portnoy's knowledge of good and evil and the songbird is a Complaint, who twirled the 2 flaming batons, as serpent with wings tempting Eve and she wonders she did at their common school.) The connection and wonders. When you look to the west is the with this is more personal. Maybe it means many opposite of the east the 2nd coming of the Christ. of what folks do "believe that they know." Beware The "rings of smoke the voices of those" are fables the false prophets. I have no idea how that can be and false teachings that seem to be so confusing applied. I love the song, so did my mom. She died when the truth is all you want. THERE IS MORE with her secret and I feel we should keep it. Done BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO ASK FOR MORE. and gone... BibleWizard 4 days ago “Here’s what it really means.” I'm interested. I'm asking for more. So far I only Randy Tritt 3 days ago note that I can't think of a verse that identifies "a I think it was wrote under the many influences of woman...as a church who leads her people". drugs that was used to write many songs of the 60s Revelation 21:2 depicts "the New Jerusalem" as and 70s hallucinations of oh let's see LSD maybe Jesus' "bride". We may reasonably equate that cud put u in the "spirit world" kinda like the movie "New Jerusalem" with a kind of Heavenly young guns that cud make u write songs u dnt "church", but not one that "leads" people, but remember the meanings to "sober"!!! which IS people. Really deep theology. Really deep theology. I think if a person's gona live for God live for God The symbols of Revelation or if your gona live for satan live for satan but get dart arkana 4 days ago (edited) on one side of the fence or the other because u BibleWizard Thanks for your reply. As a Bible straddle it long enuff and it'll rip u to shreads!!! So student I'm actively still studying the lyrics of this my theory Stairway to Heaven was drug related tune based on how Satan uses music. The church

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 71 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” or God's people represented in biblical prophecy is buy of me gold tried in the fire, that found in revelation 12 the full chapter. The thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, Garland of 12 stars is not the 12 disciples but is the that thou mayest be clothed, and that the 12 tribes of Isreal (the jewish faith) clothed with shame of thy nakedness do not appear; the sun (Christ righteousness and the light of His and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that truth). With the moon under her feet. She has no thou mayest see. light of her own inherently but reflects the light dart arkana 4 days ago Christ gives like the moon that reflects the sun with a lesser light. She's pregnant with who? The BibleWizard yep birth of Jesus who will soon reestablish the dart arkana 4 days ago promise towards the gentiles and the coming christianic church through the disciples and the BibleWizard Truth is, it is Satans desire to be apostles. worshiped as God and he'll stop at nothing including steal Christ's identity which many know Rich Laodocians’ Stairway to Heaven as the coming of the anti-christ. Which can be "There is a lady who is sure all that glitters is gold understood by reading Isaiah 14:12-14 The and she's buying the stairway to heaven". The translation and pronounciation for "mount of stairway in the Bible is mention during Jacobs congregation" is Har mohed in Hebrew and the dream envisioning the angels coming and going on Greek transliteration is armogeddon. It's meaning it. The stairway represents Christ and His earthly is worship at a appointed time & at a set place. So, ministry and angels carrying messages but I want what does this all mean? Many believe the great you to look at is the laodician message in armogeddon battle is a literal hand to hand combat revelation chapter 3. It's a message to the last between Christians & the axis of evil. But, are church who believes she is rich and have need of neglecting the idea that it could be spiritual battle nothing and is attempting to purchase her way takes place in the human mind over the concept of with eternal life. But, Jesus informs her that she homage and worship. And therefore be in a state of must purchase His gold that is tried and refined delusion over a spurious physical battle that is I'm His fire which means bearing His allegedly to take place in the Middle East. righteousness and not her own. Christ is informing Remember, meggido is where the armogeddon is her that not all glitters as gold. to take place. But the translation tells us simply in a secret place with 2 sides like in a valley. The BibleWizard 4 days ago human conscience A good connection, to the Laodicean church. Let BibleWizard 3 days ago me challenge you to at least cite which verses you mean, as you did with Rev 12. Because these Deep, even for me. Will you please tell me the verses you allude to may be quite relevant to the verses that are the basis for your statements? I find opening image of these lyrics: the Laodiceans armageddon in Rev 16:16. I find Megiddo in really did think they had bought a "stairway to Joshua 12:21; 17:11; Judges 1:27; 5:19; 1 Kings heaven" with their gold! Jesus challenges them to 4:12; 9:15; 2 Kings 9:27; 23:29,30; 1 Chronicles invest in eternal "gold". 7:29; 2 Chronicles 35:22. I don't find them together. If they are connected, I don't know the Revelation 3:16 So then because thou significance. None of this has anything to do with art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I the images in Stairway to Heaven, does it? will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and Attacking the Bible. increased with goods, and have need of stevepeebles61 6 days ago nothing; and knowest not that thou art Watch out everyone, The God Squad are out to wretched, and miserable, and poor, and convert you ! blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to BibleWizard 5 days ago

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 72 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” (This response is posted out of order; its context is Googling "entitled definition" gets this:"believing a thread which Steve began 2 days ago, in which oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or my last response was 9 hours ago) special treatment.'his pompous, entitled attitude'". See how that word has changed since 1828 when Appeals to evidence unique to Webster defined it "Dignified or distinguished by a Christianity? title [ie. Mr. Dr.,]Senator, President, etc.]; having a Wow! Is an appeal to evidence, in order to [legal] claim as, every good man is entitled to conform one's beliefs to reality, THAT exclusive to respect. Now the most common meaning has Christianity?! nothing to do with any right recognized by others or by courts but is only about what one imagines. stevepeebles61 1 week ago The facts I prove in the article I offer are One minor detail, God is not real ! that Jesus' resurrection was documented by sources in and out of the Bible. Quite remarkably BibleWizard 1 week ago by the statement of Paul, long after Jesus' On what planet? Regarding this one, see if you can resurrection, that 500 people saw Him after He address the evidence that Jesus rose from the dead. died, many of whom were still alive - a statement See that could never have been accepted as "Scripture" http://saltshaker.us/BibleStudies/WhoRoseFromDe at the time, as it was, were those witnesses not still ad.pdf for just the evidence that I have noticed. around, with the government torturing to death Not that this is the only evidence of God! anyone they caught publicly saying it! I also point out that subsequent claims of stevepeebles61 1 week ago leaders of other religions rising from the dead are BibleWizard Try Free Thinking, not just what you backed by zero evidence, and such claims weren't are blindly fed even made until well after Jesus' resurrection, BibleWizard 6 days ago (edited) which supports the suspicion that they were made up to compete with Jesus. If your idea of "free" thinking is to ignore and If God really were not real, as you will mock evidence and reason when offered, rather surely continue to imagine so long as you take than actually read it and respond to it, and refute it evidence no more seriously than the whining of a if you can, thanks, but I've already tried that. I find child, we would be without hope beyond our own reality more interesting and useful. resources in this life or the next, the universe http://saltshaker.us/BibleStudies/WhoRoseFromDe having happened not through Love but by chance. ad.pdf The "Gospel Message" is that Love really stevepeebles61 6 days ago does "win", we are infinitely loved, and our hope is infinite and eternal. But how can we participate BibleWizard I wish you no harm sir, you are in such love if we keep news that good to entitled to your beliefs and to express them, as am ourselves? If we do not, as Hebrews 10:24 says it, I ?￯ﾻ﾿ "provoke one another to love and good works"? Really deep theology. To think oneself "entitled" to believe what “Entitled” to remain ignorant!! no evidence supports, and also to "express" that BibleWizard 6 days ago lie, is to mistake our legal right under America's First Amendment for wisdom or self interest. "Entitled" to remain out of touch with reality, to Resistance to evidence is depicted in Acts 9 ignore the knocking on the door of evidence? I through the metaphor of kicking the roses have tried to provoke you into reading the barefoot. (The Greek word means thorns, or a evidence I have assembled at cattle prod. In those days sandals offered little or http://saltshaker.us/BibleStudies/WhoRoseFromDe no protection for the toes, so anyone kicking roses ad.pdf but your response is that I can believe might as well have done it barefoot.) evidence if I want to , but you are "entitled" not to. As any parent knows, humans are not born

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 73 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” with a desire either to understand or obey the then could have known, and things not known restrictions imposed by reality on the pleasures we even now until scientists, following Bible clues, imagine will most satisfy us. Which explains why discovered them. Not to mention prophecies Christians, the most persistent and nonviolent of fulfilled sometimes within minutes, sometimes evangelists, are the most persecuted. Which, again, within centuries. What other religion has a record would be the experience shared by parents. if of fulfilled prophecies? children were less dependent and more lethal. Ken Reid 1 week ago But for Christians and parents, real That was really, really wonderful Research very satisfaction is not from being loved, so much as Interesting. I'm going to watch this video until I from loving. see it in my sleep. This is the best song ever stevepeebles61 6 days ago written. Period! BibleWizard Who witnessed him rising from the Attacking the Bible. dead ? “How could a God of Love permit evil?” BibleWizard 6 days ago greg jay 2 weeks ago ?? Are you asking for names? You mean besides And what of the many many children destroyed by the 500? Or do you want all their names? Several Organised religion's disciples through molestation names are given in the Bible. The names of and sexual abuse??? And the taxation benefits and nonChristians whose complaints about the event property subsidies given to organised religion were recorded in history for our inspection are while many now struggle to even find a place to given in my article. Or do you mean some live?? significance in your choice of words, "RISING Really deep theology. from the dead", present participle, which the Bible says never happened? He was seen AFTER he Without the Bible, you couldn’t even rose. Not WHILE He was RISING. recognize evil as evil. BibleWizard 2 weeks ago stevepeebles61 6 days ago Did you really not know that the moral standards BibleWizard Many People claim to have seen against sexual abuse are from the Bible and are not Allah, over the centuries, do you believe them, or found in any other religion, nonreligion, or feel they are just blind fools lead by their philosophy uninfluenced by the Bible, and would religion ? not be in U.S. laws were our laws not heavily Other “holy books”: untestable influenced by the Bible? speculation "Thou shalt not commit adultery", defined so broadly as to prohibit sex outside lifetime BibleWizard 6 days ago marriage and from which no one is exempt, is not How can that be, when the Koran says no found outside the influence of the Bible. In other one can see Allah: words, only to the extent you yourself have been No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp influenced by the Bible, presumably in your case is over all vision: He is above all indirectly, through U.S. culture, can it even occur comprehension, yet is acquainted with to you to see anything wrong with sexual abuse. all things. Qur'an 6:103 The laws of many nations now, even those The Koran is an example of writing dominated by other religions, are much influenced claiming to be inspired by God which has nothing by Bible standards; for example in India, thanks to in it that is testable by humans, making it Christian missionaries, widows are no longer impossible to find any evidence that any of it is burned on their husbands' funeral pyres. In all true. pagan nations before the spread of Christianity, The Bible, by contrast, makes claims sex with children was so common and accepted testable by many fields of science - things no one that it was done in temples with the blessing of

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 74 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” classical writers. Jesus who was the God worshiped in that temple Pederasty "turned boys into men" in and author of that system Who had come to refine ancient Sparta, Rome, under Hitler, and in Islam. it. (Google "pederasty in the muslim world") I have not heard others explain how this Certainly atheism offers no prohibition of applies, but it is the closest to tax exemption I can anything, by definition. find in the Bible, and here is the application I see: Who but a real God would set standards so churches perform many functions of government high that so many of us fail? Yet out of love, since way more efficiently than secular government can the standard is for our own benefit, to reduce or ever did. There is huge waste in government human tragedy, not for His benefit - charity, health care, and military spending is huge. Job 35:6 If you sin, it does not hurt Churches built hospitals and provided medical God. Even if your sins are too many to care and necessities for the poor, far more count, that does nothing to God. 7 And efficiently before government jumped in to if you are good, that does not help God. restrain them. And Christian faith is a powerful He gets nothing from you. 8 Job, the factor in our national security. good and bad things you do affect only It therefore makes no sense for inefficient other people like yourself. government to tax churches who are providing Catholic priests have been in U.S. courts government functions better than government can, for sexual abuse in much larger numbers than so government can have more money to waste. Protestants. Catholic priestly celibacy is a high Did you know all the property owned, I burden on the church's leaders. It is a burden not should say taken, by government is tax exempt? found in the Bible; at least Martin Luther couldn't Government doesn't tax itself? So when city find it there, and neither can I. Peter, claimed by council members complain about all the property Catholics as their first pope, was married; Jesus in their city that is not paying taxes, they are healed his mother in law. inflating their attack on churches by not Distinguish between a moral standard and mentioning how much of that property is their the people who fail to reach it. The fact that people own? in America murder doesn't reflect badly on our Replies 2 weeks ago laws against murder. Earth ..... water ...... air ...... fire ...... aether Tax exemption for nonprofits https://allaboutheaven.org/concepts/360/124/lucife Let's see, your other complaint is about tax r exemption? That of course is another evidence of the profound influence on U.S. laws by the Bible. “Here’s what it really means.” Such a law is not spelled out in the Bible, but it is Adrian Burnette 2 weeks ago the logical application of To me its about being a flawed human being and Matthew 17:25-26. "The kings on the tryna get on the right stairway to deliverance from earth get different kinds of taxes from ones sins and that no matter how bad u are or how people. But who are those who pay the bad things are theres always time to change ur taxes? Are they the king's children? Or road ur on do other people pay the taxes? What do you think?" 26 Peter answered, "The Really deep theology. other people pay the taxes." Jesus said, BibleWizard 2 weeks ago (edited) "Then the children of the king don't What a profound observation. Profound in have to pay taxes." the sense that it leaps past all the controversy In other words, the temple taxed the people about what this or that detail might mean to one to pay for the temple, which also provided courts person or another, and whether the resulting puzzle to enforce laws. It made sense to tax the people picture assembled this or that way is best served by that system. But it made no sense to tax characterized as Christian, or as Satanic, or as

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 75 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” America's rebellion from the British, right to the @ BibleWizard Well, hello Robert : ) .... Some message about which everyone must surely agree. people see a tree and miss the forest... some see a “There’s still time to change the road forest and miss the tree... some see rings of smoke you’re on” is not the hope of occultists or through the tree's. All I can say about Stairway is it Satanists, but of Christians is a very cleaver use of words and word play... most interesting to say the lest. It is an enigma, as We are sinners, but there is hope. In fact, is the band itself...... peace, brother. now that you have focused my attention on that detail by itself for the first time, I wonder if that Robert Thornton 3 weeks ago theme in the lyrics is a "problem" for When you say you know what a song is about, and simplistically dismissing the song as satanic? you didn't write it. Can the hope of repentance and redemption fit a satanic world view? Chucksaved 2112 4 weeks ago Not that there aren't challenges for fitting Wow, I never entertained the thought that this this with almost any view. iconic piece of rock & roll could've been Surprising facts about Hell interpreted as Christian. I payed close attention The traditional Christian view is that God (while singing out loud) to the accompanying keeps the door open to repentance and forgiveness Bible references and it easily fits (mostly). The until we die and then slams it shut. My book, great thing about rock & roll is that this art form "Eternal Hell: Heaven's Loving Purpose", can mean something to me that is a universe away available at Amazon, presents Scriptures showing from what the same song means to you. I've alway that God's offer never ends, although some never, thought the song chronicled someone living life ever, accept it. believing one way then realizing at life's' end that madometal 2 weeks ago they were wrong, but were afforded the This amazing song could have multiple meanings opportunity to change ways. and messages that all depends on the individual. Peterthepiper 4 weeks ago Dylan Suppiah 3 weeks ago Well done my man well done, and did you notice hahahahaha!!!! about the " may queen" Brian May formed Queen.... “It’s a joke, son.” Blake Martin 3 weeks ago BibleWizard 6 days ago Loved the video. So you wrote stairway to So you think Robert Plant tucked in a tribute to his heaven? Or the guy in the video at the beginning competition? In googling your statement I came did and you made a video about him? across "Flyin' Brian's" interpretation of the lyrics at BibleWizard 3 weeks ago http://flyinbrianrobinson.blogspot.com/2014/07/th Hmmm. Let me see now. You ask if I wrote e-meaning-of-stairway-to-heaven.html. They "Stairway to Heaven". So are you being sarcastic, manage to duck any allusion to the contest or are you really ignorant enough about pop music between Christianity and Satanism whatsoever. In to not know that Robert Plant wrote it in 1971? fact the interpretation is not exclusively tied to any If the latter, you are a man after my own great war between illusion and truth at all, but heart. But I should confess that's me in the much of it as easily applies to an elementary introductory video, and I didn't write the music or student understanding how to add up a sum. lyrics but I just added the slides. Interesting If the former, wow! I didn't know I looked This song is not about nothing. that much like Robert Plant! Peterthepiper 6 days ago TL Ezzy 2 weeks ago Ya, I have read that myself but I have to say that is

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 76 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” HIS interpretation and lots of good points but his have your head screwed on right. Now go play foundation is off,I think you have it bang on, and with your shiny objects and watch some CNN! even Zep doesn't even really know because they TL Ezzy 2 weeks ago didn't write that song it was of demonic forces, like most influential rock bands these guys dont @ bill goodwin... is this a reply to my comment? make it on just talent they make it as they are If so I don't know Robert Plant and doubt if you puppets and dont know it. do, but if you do I am sorry, you do seem to be offended, so for that I am sorry. It's seems maybe Criteria for what lyrics “mean” you fit the CNN butt-hurt culture better than The only way to interpret this song is from a myself. Like I said you can believe what you will spiritual point of view as it makes sense which you about Zep, neither your belief or mine will change have done, like all bands that have backmasking what they are.... or were. Only one thing can on it, eagles, elo, beatles, zep cheaptrick, rush etc, change the nature of man. Like I said they are not which is factual the bands themselves take no hard to figure out, at lest Page is not, as far as the credit for it nor knew and cant even explain it rest of the band who knows? themselves, satan is the the "god: of this world and if a band is marketable for his purposes he will bill goodwin 2 weeks ago offer what we will allow, hands down the most Shut up! I'm trying to enjoy my Colin Flaherty profound video I have ever seen on youtube ever is videos right now and don't argue with retards " bottomline on backmasking" it will blown your anyway. mind and how this guy discovered it is hard to grasp, check it out william munny 2 weeks ago Mark Soberay 4 weeks ago Good one bill goodwin. That guy needs to shut up. "Zep"? What an idiot. Love brings us closer to the The internet is just loaded with nonsense reality of life. Same thing the piper, JC, told us. dart arkana 4 days ago Anyone who really listens to Led Zeppelin knows that Robert Plant obviously references Christian Mark Soberay Yeah, and your on it. philosophy many times. TL Ezzy probably does Kevin Persen Liset 1 month ago get his "facts" from CNN. Better to remain silent and be thought dumb than to speak and remove all Robert Plant referrs to Stairway to heaven as " doubt. THAT FUCKING WEDDING SONG ", he hates the song . He is so sick and tired of the song . Ken Reid 1 week ago “Here’s what it really means.” Robert "don't call me Bob" Plant is a smart guy. bill goodwin 1 month ago LZ wrote a lot of songs about Lord of the Rings. The Piper is the devil that's why he wants you to The lady is love and the piper is Jesus Christ. The join him. meaning is obvious to any but the most blind, deaf and dumb! bill goodwin 1 week ago TL Ezzy 2 weeks ago Dumb-ass, I told you what it means. There is no devil, or santa, or the easter bunny. @ bill goodwin.... if the lady is love then why is she trying to buy her way to heaven? Remember tom butler 2 months ago Zep is not a Christian band if you think they are Messed Up, a travel/thinking game w/ a #WWJD well, okay, but it is not to hard to figure out where card that also helps people, just like our Savior they are coming from. Jesus Christ. www.tombmarketing.com bill goodwin 2 weeks ago “There’s still time to change the road Don't know much about Robert Plant, do you? you’re on” is not the hope of occultists or People like you aren't meant to understand. Got to

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 77 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” Satanists, but of Christians Dave Leach zeppelin music is far more superior James Hajjar 2 months ago than the rest.its very true.ask any musician. Their music was very unique. No one was as good I've heard it backwards a bunch of times.jimmy before or since.do some research.the n.t was and co.are luciferian. All of them are.once you written in Greek. Jimmy doesn't even hide the fact sign on that dotted line,your he'll bound.since that he loves crowley.and why does he love Jimmy is heavily into crowley,and Crowley was a crowley? satantist,then Jimmy is a satanist.in the end,they have a terrible price to pay for all eternity. I Dave Leach 2 months ago wonder if these guys even care? Uh, well I'm a musician, so I asked myself. And I Dave Leach 2 months ago answered to myself, "Self, Stairway to Heaven is good music, and indeed unique, but 'far more Because of 1 Corinthians 4:5 I am slow to superior than the rest' of the music of the world? assume anyone's eternal fate. But obviously, Arguably that title might go to Bach's "Air on a G openly, and publicly, Crowley was a satanist, and String" or the Brandenburg Concerto with its Jimmy loved him for it. glorious trumpet part. Probably not to Stairway to Listening backwards: selective, untested Heaven, as haunting as it is. Haunting. Maybe There is a terrible cost to being willingly that's a good word for what is special about foolish, always. These facts are well established Stairway to Heaven, as Halloween approaches." without the evidence of hearing something What does the New Testament having been backwards. The reason I discount backwards- originally written in Greek have to do with Jimmy playing evidence is that the same test has not been and Crowley? ! applied much to other recordings. How many Christian recordings or even sermons might we James Hajjar 2 months ago imagine worship of Satan, were we to listen Dave Leach it's Hao worship just like Crowley. backwards? Are you studied in scripture? I have produced scores of videos myself. Until I can be sure none of mine, heard backwards, Dave Leach 2 months ago can be imagined to say anything embarrassing, I Am I studied in Scripture? How does one answer will be slow to rely much on backwards-playing such a question? Even those who hate God at least condemnation of someone else's audio. know "judge not", while people who have large James Hajjar 2 months ago swaths of it memorized still keep learning. Hao Dave Leach thats because the church has been worship, now THAT is something I'm not studied infiltrated by satan.just look at all the symbolism in. I tried to google it, but when I clicked on the results my virus program said that was a it's all Sun worship.those who attend those masses are called Xtians. Jimmy and the guys worship dangerous site. So I acknowledge I am clueless. lucifer.why do you think they are so far ahead of James Hajjar 2 months ago everyone musically? Dave Leach well then,it has a lot to do with what Dave Leach 2 months ago jimmy and co. Are into.since you haven't located I am intrigued enough by what you write to be any info,you wouldn't have the slightest clue to curious what you mean. You say Christians are sun what's goin on in this world.i bet if you read worshippers, by definition? Huh? You think crowley,then you might understand. Good luck. worshiping Satan makes you a better musician? Ken Reid 1 week ago You think Page's music is "so far ahead" of other Purchased two of his houses Jimmy did. music? If you mean that, can you support it or at least explain it? AldousHuxleysCat 2 months ago James Hajjar 2 months ago song was never released as a single so how was it

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 78 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” ever in the top 40??? of an interpretation which does, please send me a link. Rescue Ranger 86 3 months ago To the extent honesty requires us to For real ? So when you play it backwards and it conclude that the lyrics can NOT all be tied says satanic shit it's a gospel smh together into a coherent picture, that conclusion BibleWizard 3 months ago requires us to dismiss the lyrics as poorly written and not worthy of further consideration. That is Fascinating conspiracy theory. So on the right obviously not the conclusion that many have sidebar, as I read your comment, I found "Stairway drawn. to Heaven Backwards". I was really as surprised as I was pleased https://www.youtube.com/watch? how naturally all the lyrics seem to fall into the v=wYG2oZXSvdE He concludes, "you can't miss interpretation I developed. I appreciate the it if I tell you what's there.": So here's a challenge feedback I get here. for you: if you play the WHOLE SONG backwards, you will hear "For God so loved the “Here’s what it really means.” world that He gave His only begotten Son." Listen Fauzi Marzuki 3 months ago for it and tell me where you find it. im a fan in east country. so my english is Fauzi Marzuki 3 months ago not good. But i 'll try to write my thought about "I can make them mean whatever I want and no your interpretation. one can be quite sure I am wrong. So I want them As mention in the song. The lady herself to be a Gospel message". So actually theres no won't understand about the words on the need of commenting rite? wall.Why? becoz words hv 2 meaning. Maybe u got everything about the lyrics about Christianity all right, but i think u got the bible wrong... This song is not about nothing. why? Becoz if u got what the bible, the BibleWizard 3 months ago quran and other religious scriptures is trying to teach each living soul, then u will understand the Well, everyone else makes them mean tune. Its the same god for each individuals. Theres whatever they want, and that hasn't stopped the no such thing as your religion and my religion. comments! So.. u cannot interpret this song as an Criteria for what lyrics “mean” "exclusively" but more to "universal" like every But since the composer of the lyrics good deed done and equally loved by one God. professes ignorance of what they mean, then the criteria for what they mean can't be what the composer means by them, which is normally one's Bible and Koran contrasted criteria for determining the original intent of a BibleWizard 3 months ago work. So what does that leave for any criteria at East country? You mean New York? For all? Or any concept at all of what the words "really not having good English you write very well! mean"? Thanks for a really INTERESTING topic! Well, as I have proposed, any interpretation Really deep theology. which can incorporate ALL the elements of these The same god for Christians and lyrics into a coherent picture is a logical candidate Moslems?! Well there is only one REAL God, but for what they really mean. there isn't much comparison between how the I haven't found an interpretation that does Bible and the Koran describe Him! that as thoroughly as mine, although I confess that The Bible says "God is love", 1 John 4:8, I have seen only a small percentage of the apparent 16 and Jesus referring to Himself, who is God, thousands of interpretations out there. If you know John 15:17, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 79 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” for his friends." Fauzi Marzuki 2 months ago The fact that Jesus died for all of us shows What you wrote is exactly the example. As you that God wants to be friends with us all. God loves know if anybody can interpret the book of God. even His Enemies, and calls us to also, Matthew Then there's no need for Him to send a messenger. 5:44-48. The Koran, by contrast, orders Either its Jesus or Muhammad, Noah or Adam. "Let NOT the believers take the Man himself can't just read directly from the Bible unbelievers for friends " Surah 3:28 / Quran and understand what is the message. The [The Koran says] God has no Son, for two book of God needs to be explained, teach upon reasons: (1) if He did, the two wouldn't even love and to be understand accordingly. Because again, each other but would always be fighting to see as mention in the song.. words hv 2 meaning. God who is most powerful! is almighty clever rite?. So it won't be that straight Sura 23.91 Never did God take to forward. In the Bible, when God is telling stories Himself a son, and never was there with about sheep and the shepherds is He really him any (other) god -- in that case referring to a kind of animal with fluffy wool? would each god have certainly taken Maybe a few of us can guess what is the hidden away what he created, and some of them message. Because its a simple one. What if the would certainly have overpowered whole Bible is an all double meaning sentences others; glory be to God above what they book? Its possible right? Well, actually it is like describe! that with all the book of God. Quran/ Bible / and (2) it would demean God's "glory" for Him to Torah.. (old testament, new testament). have an equal - how much less might any human be equal to God in the remotest manner! BibleWizard 2 months ago Surah 4:171 ...say not, Three. Desist, it I agree with you when you say people need is better for you; God is only one God; each other's help understanding the Word of God. far be It from His glory that He should In fact to some extent that is true of almost all have a son... literature: if it is very complicated at all, teachers By contrast, Jesus invites we who can help us understand more of it than we can "overcome" to sit with Him and with God in their understand ourselves. thrones! On the other hand teachers can be wrong, Revelation 3:21 To him that so it is good that anyone can understand SOME of overcometh will I grant to sit with me in the Bible by themselves, which helps to evaluate my throne, even as I also overcame, and what teachers say. am set down with my Father in his The Koran and the Bible? Compared? They throne. both claim to be written by God, yet they are the Jesus promises that on earth, we shall be opposite. Is God schizo? There are many ways to "as" Jesus, and will even do "greater works" than test which is of God, and which of the devil. Jesus did! Here's my article proving Jesus really was Mat_10:25 It is enough for the disciple crucified and rose from the dead: that he be as his master, and the servant http://saltshaker.us/BibleStudies/WhoRoseFromDe as his lord. John 14:12 Verily, verily, I ad.pdf say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; “You’re insane.” because I go unto my Father. Aster Tayamora 3 months ago God elevates man beyond our It such an idiotic comments and opinions here. comprehension. No such challenge to our You know how articulate and creative an artist comprehension is offered by the Koran. One true was. If you are a Zeppelin enthusiasts this crazy God. Two radically opposite theologies of God. views are regarded hallucination by their point of

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 80 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” view. Disregard religion just be creative and view You reason that because "God bestowed it as art. You I think will pass judgment that this the talent", and "God never created evil", then young boys were gifted with exceptional talents "they are sons of God" so to question whether that God has bestowed . Their musicality and talented men ever misuse their talent for evil is to adlibs makes them superb. God never created evil "question God's power and might". This reasoning in his work. They are his and they are sons of God. justifies all wickedness; in fact, the more evil To say otherwise is questioning God's power and humans become, the more this reasoning justifies might . The people who talked in here is a lunatic and sanctifies them, since it takes lots and lots of per see. Why don't you ask the headband of the talent to really really be evil - without talent, evil Pope that numerical form 666. Bible says the Pope intent merely comes out as relatively harmless is the Anti-Christ. So what can you say about this. idiocy. So better yet refrain from commenting negative So, does the Bible comment on whether the from the works of others. That green -eyed godliness of human action is documented by how monster keeps on biting you. So be very careful. much talent is involved? Do not put blame your inadequacies to others who Well, I never imagined such a question contributed much to music lovers to enable them would call for Biblical analysis, but here goes: greatness in oneself . being a king requires a fair amount of talent, but Psalm 2 has God laughing at them for rejecting BibleWizard 3 months ago (edited) Him. Psalm 2 doesn't call them "sons of God" at Wow! I have never heard, nor imagined, all just because they are talented, but explicitly such an unquestioning allegiance to the godliness contrasts them with His Son. of song lyrics, no matter how satanic, so long as In the Tower of Babel story in Genesis, the music is performed well! God confused mankind with thousands of When I challenge my music students about languages because their talent was virtually listening to lyrics about adultery, angry violence, unlimited, God said, yet was misused. Satan is infidelity, profanity, graphic descriptions of the sex described in the Bible as more talented than any act, hatred of God, etc.(a gutsy thing for any music man, yet that does not sanctify or justify him, or teacher to do who still wants their business) the make him a Son of God. most they ever justify continuing to listen to them Of all the songs you would pick to argue is "Oh, I don't listen to the words. I just like the that the lyrics must be godly because the music is music." good, how remarkable you pick this one whom so In case someone should think the point many - I think the preponderance of interpretations significant, let me state clearly, now, that any - have accused of being outright satanic! criticism I have about the song is only about the I see alongside the Youtube posts on the lyrics - I have no criticism at all of the music, right column, of related videos, "Stairway to which I admire and enjoy performing myself. In Heaven Backwards". Many support that accusation fact I think the music is so good, that I think it even playing it frontwards. deserves lyrics that can be sung in good conscience by people who believe in God and honor truth and righteousness. “Here’s what it really means.” I think everyone will agree that "Stairway Colin Burgess 3 months ago to Heaven" lyrics are a string of metaphors so utter nonsense. it's simply about how happiness is ambiguous that interpretations have ranged from found by living a simple life as espoused by the sacred to the profane, from godly to satanic. It musicians, and not by money. seems obvious and is impossible to create an interpretation that rules simple to me out all others, but it seems good to me to create at Rhonda Nelson 3 months ago least one interpretation showing a comprehensive interpretation consistent with the Bible and true to “Here’s what it really means.” rules of logic is at least possible. I dont see the whore of Babylon as a person but a

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 81 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” city as your bible says this lady was a good honest understand themselves, assemble the puzzle pieces woman who was cheated by lies of the churh of life that are before them into the most coherent picture they can? Really deep theology. The advantage truth enjoys among Bible BibleWizard 3 months ago (edited) quoters is that Bible quoters are scrutinized by So you mean because Revelation 17:18 others who are familiar with the same Bible and identifies the great harlot as a city, "Stairway to who quite enjoy bringing up any contradictory Heaven" couldn't be about that because this song is verses they can think of, if there are any. about a single woman? Quite the contrary with relativists, who But the rest of the chapter speaks of "her" have no uniform standard that they have all even as if she were a single woman also, and only later read, much less that they agree upon! They offer positively identifies "her" as a metaphor. only intellectual and moral chaos. Likewise, "Stairway to Heaven" is one big At least Christians, even the most self long string of metaphors, as everyone assumes serving, have to find SOMETHING that is actually who has tried to "reveal its true meaning". For IN the Bible to validate their notions. example several others make sense of the lyrics by Not so relativists! If they can't find "the assuming the woman IS the church - the Catholic parts that work for them" anywhere on the planet, Church.You, likewise, assume this song's "lady" is they can just make it up! And then taunt, "Nyah, a metaphor of someone "cheated by lies of the nyah, your religion may be right for you, but my churh", since the lyrics certainly don't say any religion is right for me!" such thing without assuming the lyrics support that “Here’s what it really means.” metaphorical interpretation. Robert bishop 4 months ago Rev 17:18 says "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which A unique look at Stairway. I doubt his version is reigneth over the kings of the earth." the real meaning. So I wonder how you see all these puzzle pieces fitting together into a more coherent picture This song is not about nothing. by inserting "good honest woman who was cheated by the lies of the churh" into the Criteria for what lyrics “mean” interpretation? BibleWizard 4 months ago Of course, since the "real meaning" of a “Here’s what it really means.” song is normally the composer's originally Totaro17 3 months ago intended interpretation, but Robert Plant himself has formally repudiated any knowledge of that, It's about drugs, especially cocaine!! "And she's and since this song has hardly a single buying the stairway to heaven" unambiguous line, the very phrase "real meaning", Attacking the Bible. in this case, is as debatable as the "real meaning" Ramon Endeveld 4 months ago of this song. The nearest candidate remaining, that I see, how amusing that when people quote the bible for a definition of "real meaning" that is useful they only quote the parts that work for them here, is however this song's symbols can be most Really deep theology. thoroughly reconciled with reality. Can you think BibleWizard 4 months ago of a more useful definition? Is that meant to say something about Bible quoters that is not true of quoters of every other Attacking the Bible. source of information or authority? “Here’s what it really means.” Do not all humans, on every subject, Sean Hammer 4 months ago whether they want to persuade others or merely @4:30 Listen: "You know sometimes words have

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 82 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” new meaning." I know, you think it says "two lose the inspiring feeling. This one has not. I've meanings" but just listen to this track. Btw the listened to it on repeat for 5 hours straight and I Harlot in Revelation was the city of Jerusalem. still feel the same. Maybe I'm crazy, who knows. I Actually mother of harlots. know what I feel and what I feel is... Life. BibleWizard 4 months ago Family Band 5 months ago [aka Biblewizard] Interesting claim, about Jerusalem. Do you Children frequently tell me something have a reason for such a claim? similar, when I challenge them about the filthy One criteria in the Bible is that the harlot is lyrics in the songs they want our band to play (for "drunk with the blood of the saints". Although the decades I have performed with a small group of people and government of Jerusalem killed Jesus, my music students). His death is not encompassed by the phrase "blood They say "Oh, but I don't listen to the of the saints"; besides, Jesus said on the Cross that words. I just like the music." they didn't know what they were doing. As if it is supposed to make me feel better What historical source tells you that more about their intellectual progress, that they could let Christians have been martyred by Jews than by glorification of drugs, prostitution, and murder Moslems? float in and out of their consciousness without As for "new meaning", interesting. I'll even noticing! listen again later. I had just accepted the Hindus and Buddhists likewise believe transcription that comes up when you google lyrics words are just in the way; their nonsense chants for this song. My ears are rather old anyway, to are for the purpose of removing all intellectual pick up on so subtle a difference. activity, which they call illusion, or Maya. Judeo- Dem Nisbet 5 months ago Christian teaching about The Word is radically different, crediting it with no less than creating the 2:20 is where he starts gibbering about the actual universe, and if we will receive it, infusing us with point of the video eternal life. In other "words", words matter, and it is “Here’s what it really means.” this view that has allowed what we call "Western Liz Kepple 5 months ago Civilization" to soar beyond its pagan neighbors. However, I agree great principles apply on I believe this song isn't supposed to be understood many levels, and certainly an interesting with words. "Its the feeling i get" that I believe is application should be possible to individuals the true meaning. You're not supposed to accomplishing great things. understand it in your mind, but feel it in your Liz Kepple 5 months ago heart. If that being said for the man who wrote it, then he took what he felt in his heart and pooled it I agree 100 percent with that. I'm what they call a into this song. The only word I can say to describe "child" and I hate listening to that stuff, which is this is Life. Maybe its so deep that the feeling i get why I listen to old music. I mean, the profanity is when the guitar solo happens is real. Maybe it still there in some songs, but you've go lots of does release my soul. Maybe I can actually do songs about what true love is and dancing and whatever I wish to. It just feels like someone having fun and never giving up. Today's music is opens up something and everything just makes nothing, there's no soul to it, just garbage. Some of sense. Not everything is easy, but its Life, and those songs, like SWtH I think you're not your decisions account for you walking up that supposed to understand it, but just feel it. You stairway eventually. Whether the stairway is to don't have to understand the cryptic phrases and heaven, or if it symbolizes someone accomplishing idioms to understand it. Unlike current music that or overcoming something great and immense. is centered around 3 things: sex, drugs, and money. Either way, whatever it is pulls your soul out. Sad that a 15 year old has to say it, but music isn't Some songs I've listened to over and over start to going to get better. You don't have to have talent or

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 83 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” passion, just as long as you make a lot of money Perhaps it is true that Led Zeppelin was into the and live in the stage light. no scratch that, they occult and satanic rituals with Aliester Crowley. don't live to perform. They're just there to make Satan is a "Liar" and why should we believe money. And I wish music hadn't changed. Robert Plant was guided my a demon in writing this song? I think he wrote it himself, and is lying gabriel Drummer 6 months ago about how it was written just like a good satanist Ok is written by s because if you play it backwards will do - LIE It's actually in my opinion a great Liz Kepple 5 months ago song. With interesting lyrics and great guitar riffs. C'mon folks- We should all know by now , that Yeah yeah yeah you play anything backwards it Money is the root of all Evil. People will do and gets freaky. say most anything for the right amount of money. Really deep theology. Dave Howe 4 months ago my profile 7 months ago (edited) Very good , After the former things have passed away. A new day will dawn. (Utopia on earth)Isaiah 65:17. Mylo Maximus 13 3 weeks ago "See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. Money isn’t the root of all evil, it’s greed The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.Revelation 21:4. And God “Here’s what it really means.” shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there Douglas IRL 1 year ago shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, It's not a gospel song at all...it's a pure Luciferian neither shall there be any more pain; for the former Song. Everything you point out is correct, but the things are passed away point of view is not from that of a Christian but of those that have decided to be rebellious. Love all Veronica Kemperle 1 month ago the scriptures they are so right on, but this is their my profile What asylum did this guy escape anthem, all those that do their worship in forests from??? and the wilderness. The truth will come to you at Dennis Vercoe 9 months ago last when one is one and one is all is reference when they take complete dominion of the world. hi im new at this. i follow worship songs and find The remarkable thing about Luciferians like Page meanings to lyrics most are very simple straight and Plant is they accept the concepts we know and forward, the tittle stairway to heaven caught my recognize and make the determination to serve attention, i started to wonder what it all meant at with fierce loyalty. Page never gave up on black first i found it poetic, i looked closer into it, the arts and magic, and is very much a Luciferian till more i read it something in it started showing out this day. from it, ive read most well alot of comments about it and all i could hear is, who wrote what and why? This song is not about nothing. i found later where, the song began in a building, it Family Band 1 year ago [aka Biblewizard] belongs in the building, its where the inspiration There is something very profound about came from, well this is all i could come up with, your point, that a Luciferian could write a message and thank you for your lovely information of your containing Biblically correct information. research i enjoyed reading it it must of taken you When the demons testified that Jesus was ages to find the scriptures. thank you the Son of God, Luke 4:34, 41, 8:28, Mat 8:29, Dennis Vercoe 9 months ago Mark 1:24, 5:7, James 2:19, were those Gospel messages? dennis ShannonMichele Lawson 1 week ago Really deep theology. Douglas IRL Agrred Kraig Gaddis 1 year ago This song is not about nothing.

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 84 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” Criteria for what lyrics “mean” Interesting speculation. For most of us Peterthepiper 6 days ago Christians, God speaks to us and guides us, but not directly enough that we can safely omit the usual Im afraid he is right about that it is a gospel song steps of double checking, testing, our notions in the sense that it is so profound that if that it using tools like logic, evidence, presenting our should wake a person up being able to see what is ideas to our ideological opponents to see if they being said , knowledge comes from learning what can refute us, etc. man has done wisdom comes from God and this I assume it is the same with Satanists; there guy has that wisdom in this incident, the book of is a mix of human and demonic authorship of their Revelation says, " let him who hath ideas and words. Except that with demons, there understanding" that is a gift of insight from God isn't even consistency between one demon and Attacking the Bible. another, much less between the ravings of any Being Alex 2 days ago demon and reality. I don't think "Stairway to Heaven" is It should be obvious by now that the gospels were unique in human literature as obscure poetic- written by luciferians. You're both correct. Yahweh sounding ravings whose logic never quite reveals is not the One True God. itself to us. I've read Roe v. Wade, for example. my3stooges 1 year ago Dialog before this point was posted before +BibleWizard I agree about what you say about the Christians. What I was trying to say is that, since the goup, Led Zeppellin, sold their souls to the Devil, in order to be famous and rich, I figured 2017 that their brilliance in their music have to come from Satan. What I mean is that I heard of celebrities talking about 'spirits' entering or Mike Benoit 1 year ago awakening inside them(demon possession) when they perforred or created something. I just couldn't Great painting in the background. I really like it. understand how Plant can know soo much about Really deep theology. Christianity, Europe's paganism, and philosophy my3stooges 1 year ago all in one, unless he took the time to do research and write this song carefully, but from what I Very insightful BibleWizard. What confuses me is heard it was done very quickly. I think in one that Robert Plant is and never was a Christian. sitting. Only Satan could have done such a job. Plant’s Christian education Just a thought But I think that he had a strong Christian influence BibleWizard 1 year ago in his hometown growing up, even if his family I would expect that the more possessed by demons were not religious or church-goers. Plus, Plant is someone is, the LESS brilliance we might expect extremely intelligent. From his lyrics he sounds to from him. There are several chapters of Job that have had a brilliant traditional education, unlike discuss why wicked people are often rich and the brainwashing CommonCore/liberal education successful. The disadvantage the wicked have is that we are now seeing in the West. He could put not that they can never do things well, but that words together beautifully and poetically, unlike after they do them, they are like the song "I can't most musicians today. The other possilibity is that get no satisfaction". he had a demon composing and writing for him. But that wouldn't explain "Stairway to Heaven". +BibleWizard I understand what you are saying. Still, I believe that even someone, like Bill Gates, So I wonder what you think about this? sold his soul to Satan to come up with something BibleWizard 1 year ago like the Windows programs. Why do I say that?

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 85 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” Because of the evil he is doing now. He is funding We just can't. That would be crazy. The evil to help bring the One World government and reality is that deception is part of being human, have even mentioned Depopulating the world. His and we have much work to do to save those we meekness and his guy-next-door looks are a love from tragedy. disgust to his true wickedness. It all starts with We are not superior to those we attempt to idolatry and 'self'. Those are now idealized in rescue from deception. And not just because we today's world and too many are falling for Satan's have our own sins, although we, too, being human, propagandas. Thanks for responding to my posts. must have our own slices of deception from which we need rescuing by others. But the real reason we are not superior to The greatest of sins among the most those we help is because there is real greatness in righteous. “There is none righteous; no, them too. There is real silver under the tarnish. not one.” 1 Cor 4:5 actually says God will judge our intentions - we need to wait, before we judge BibleWizard 1 year ago others, until God reveals everyone's intentions to What are you doing up at this hour? Don't each other - and when that happens, God will you sleep? This is crazy! actually find something to praise in everyone! Really deep theology. Meanwhile the tragedy continues to unfold, It is easy to look at an evil slice of and I lose sleep over how to stop it. I need someone's life and conclude he must be bound for fellowship in this mission field. There is so much Hell. But I have been often impressed with the that can be done, that I see, and I pray as Jesus tragedy of the very best of people with such slices said, for laborers in the harvest field. in their hearts. Anyone willing to work alongside me, For example my own mother has always contact me at 515-480-3398 or DaveLeach at struck me as a Godly woman who trusted greatly Saltshaker.US. Website saltshaker.us, or in God and her Gideon-type "fleeces". How talk.saltshaker.us/savetheworld. perplexed I was to discover, in her last years, that krmj20 1 week ago some of Paul's writings had so confused her that BibleWizard ~ she had given up even believing them - a position I had assumed was incompatible with trust in God. BibleWizard 1 year ago I am struck that the greatest evils of our Where did you read that Nimrod was the 7th or 8th time are those our government sponsors and generation after Cush? Please be patient with my protects - abortion, sodomy, divorce, corruption in questions. I just don't know how that can be, general - yet this deepest darkness of our land, our considering the two verses that say he was the first churches will not even allow church members to son of Cush. You said you looked it up and found debate and strategize about on church property, otherwise, so I am simply curious. Where did you because that is "politics", so the light of what God find that? says about them ought to be kept under the Mat 5 Jason Wiles 1 year ago "bushel", now that we have defined "gospel" so narrowly as to exclude any response to these evils! I think you have captured the essence of the song The result being that church members vote and I commend you for all you're endeavors.I for them, and are not immunized against these think the smoke part interpretation may need a evils invading their own lives and dragging them little more looking into.But aside from that you to Hell. really blew my mind :} Most people don't realize The evil of these Noninvolvement that our statue of Liberty is just a Pagan symbol of Theologies dwarfs anything Bill Gates has The Queen of the Heaven Dianna,Who Catholics attempted. Yet shall we say all pastors and church call Mary, which Dates back to Egypt where they boards deceived by them are going to Hell? called her Isis because they learned it from the

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 86 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” Babylonians Semiramis who was the Queen of +Jason Wiles Sir, the content of your video has Babylon who along with her King husband false and insulting claims on other religions of the Nimrod had Deified themselves proclaiming to be world. This is why I sent you my original message. gods in the flesh over the Sun and Moon.This is Jason Wiles 1 year ago were all of the mystery religions poured from as we know them today under different names....You +Tareq Habjouqa Ok? did I send you this message making these connections was genius and I because I meant it for the person who made the applaud you....Well done!!!! Semiramis, Horus and video? Tamuz= The unholy Trinity Jason Wiles 1 year ago “You’re insane.” +Tareq Habjouqa since you replied ,what exactly Tareq Habjouqa 1 year ago are you being offended by? Dear sir, you are an idiot. BibleWizard 1 year ago BibleWizard 1 year ago +Tareq Habjouqa Interesting. Please explain what +Tareq Habjouqa Thank you! You might be I said about other religions which is imprecise. I perceived as more eloquent if you would provide a realize that some of my conclusions are little more detail about the basis of your "unacceptable" to some who resist facts, but I had observation, just in case it might not already be thought the facts I present in support are not obvious to every reader. Myself, for example: I disputed. Please engage. don't already know the basis for your analysis of Jason Wiles 1 year ago my IQ, and may never know if you do not inform me. But I am most interested in better +BibleWizard have you considered what I said? understanding my problem so I can take something Or are you ignoring me for lack of answers? for it. I do admire the reverence that you have BibleWizard 1 year ago shown for all humanity, that you would address even an idiot as "sir". +Jason Wiles Hi, Jason! Wow! Someone not only WANTS my opinion, but is anxious to have it Jason Wiles 1 year ago RIGHT NOW! I would like to have had the leisure +BibleWizard Good Sir,I would ask you to notice to answer before now, but there is a little my original post and and enlighten me how you impediment in my life called “work”. Also, drew these parallels because I find your shoveling snow. Also, there was a delay before I interpretation remarkable, I liked this song with a figured out your question was for me despite being passion before I was saved and I am aware of the posted as for another. Plus there is the time it takes backmasking which seem to answer the meanings to compose an answer – at least a couple of hours of the song played Fwd.I am also aware the Band will go into this one. especially jimmy page was a Follower of Aleister Really deep theology. Crowley and he taught his followers to practice Anway, I had missed the detail that Plant think ,walk and talk in reverse.Witchcraft...Look at was taught to be backward. Of course reality only my other post along with this one...... I need to permits so much of that. Reverse the plug wires on know how you came to this conclusion, because I your computer and you won’t even be able to have pondeedr this and I Knew at least what the download the Satanic Bible on it. Drive backwards May Queen was along with the Piper yet I never and you will not drive far or fast. was able to connect the dots, I mean was this So even Satan, like the Pharisees, is a revealed to you like Robert Plant said it came to hypocrite. him? please Elaborate and like I say look at the As for revelation, I think it is a fascinating other post before you reply/////////////Thank you blending of the choices and reason of men and the teaching of God, which is in print, occasionally by Tareq Habjouqa 1 year ago voice, and ever present as ideas comingled with

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 87 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” our own, which are “nearer than hands and feet”. . Surprising facts about Hell But as 1 Corinthians 14:32 says, As for the smoke, “rings of smoke through “revelation” must be tested by other humans. “We the trees, and the voices of those who stand have the mind of Christ”, 1 Corinthians 2:16 says, looking”, Revelation 18:5 describes smoke from but we need each other to succeed, Proverbs destruction on Earth, as my slide shows; not 15:22. shown is Revelation 14:11 telling about “the As for the process of assembling my song smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and analysis: I began by googling others’ opinions. I ever”. The remarkable fact from v. 10 is that Jesus found interesting ideas, though opposite, but none and the angels will “stand looking” at all those seemed to quite account for all the song’s suffering souls. metaphors. There were Christian interpretations, If you would like a unique interpretation of Satanic interpretations, and one about English Hell’s purpose, check out my book at monarchy. www.Saltshaker.US/Hell-Fire Criteria for what lyrics “mean” Jason Wiles 1 year ago Then I found the composer’s disavowal of +BibleWizard Well I think you did a great job.I any interpretation that he was interested in heard that the Lady who is buying the stairway endorsing, which rules out the goal of discerning could be a woman who is tithing,and with a word what the composer “meant” by the words. she can get what she came for.The word would This song is not about nothing. represent the bible.Now this interpretation would Which leaves only the goal of of an make sense at the begining of the song the song interpretation that makes sense; that is, which but would not make as much sense at the end Like reasonably associates the song’s multitude of yours did.Now your talking about The original metaphors with reality; ideally, with realities that queen of Heaven who was Semiramis the wife of are on the same subject, since the train of thought Nimrod.Now heres an interesting fact you might implies that its images are connected. not Know but the tower of Babel in which see Should such a comprehensive artist renditions of it being a spiral staircase was interpretation be found that supports a Satanist not actually that it was a Ziggurat in which was an message, for example, that would be interesting early form of a pyramid with a staircase in the but would not “disprove” whatever application can front like the ones seen in south America.And at be found to a Christian message. the top is where nimrod lived along with So proceeding on that approach, and Semiramus lived and metaphorically speaking he intrigued with the power of the images and how ascended himself into heaven made his throne on well they enlightened the few realities others had high and ruled over his kingdom.They also were observed, I was curious to see if it were possible to the ones who started the mystery religions while find some spiritual reality matching every last line deifying themselves in the process..Now you may of the song. not know this either but on the Album cover of That’s about it. A lot of curiosity, a lot of Led Zepplins Houses of the Holy you will see a time, a lot of Bible study, a lot of reflection on the huge staircase made of stone that resembles the “whole counsel of God”, Acts 20:27, and an One that would be attached to the front of a interest in packing as much of it as I could into the Ziggarut also showing people laying on the steps song’s metaphors to make it a useful witnessing from what looks like exhaustion..So I think Page tool. and Plant knew what they were doing when they By the way, my purpose would not be wrote there satanically inspired song.Now if your defeated by evidence that the composer’s “true” asking yourself if I knew all this why didn't I draw origin really was a message of Satan. Demons the same conclusion and I would have to say to could not help confessing that Jesus was Christ, you :I did but it was only after you layed the Luke 4:41. One day all souls will make that foundation that I could work of of.Now being a confession, Romans 14:11. Christian I do no spend much time toiling in vain

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 88 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” imaginations and fruitless endeavors but this Song including China? How much proof do you need? has always perplexed me with it's haunting You're going to question me about Literary meloncholy music and sublime or surreal Knowledge when in fact yours is in question? I lyrics,therefore it laid hold to me challenging me have done nothing but given you accolades and to unlock its true meaning.Plant always described you/re gonna question me about my sources.Well this song as a song of Hope? And now I know you already told me you formed you're opinion what I already knew that the song was a song of after you plagiarized other peoples work, how Indoctrination to get you to join sides with reliable were they? I do not feel the need to Lucifer....If I have enlightened you like you did me explain myself because I think I already have on this subject matter feel free to point it out to me through my vast knowledge on this subject matter. I would like to hear your feedback...God bless One could even say I out Rank you and in your feeble minded attempt to keep up with me you feel BibleWizard 1 year ago the need to say scathing things so you can +Jason Wiles The album cover you mention, maintain yourself the Authority in this topic..You shown at have absolutely no Idea of the occultic symbolisms http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003N5XN1 in this song or where they have originated?, The C/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=, I houses of the holy picture is a pyramid if you go would describe as naked children climbing a rocky back and take a close look,Jimmy Page was deeply hillside, not exhausted people on a relatively into the Occult and has openly admitted it.But i'm narrow staircase. But it is interesting that if indeed sure you will postulate yourself on this matter and the Ziggurat was a Mayan-type pyramid with a take this in a whole different direction with your staircase, perhaps like the artwork at opinions based purely on conjecture.You are https://www.youtube.com/watch? obviously a wise if you have come to this v=8pPvNqOb6RA, then it is certainly no stretch to revelation of the song on your own.But the Bible say the people building the Tower of Babel teaches us Proverbs 9:8 Reprove not a scoffer, lest thought it was a "stairway to heaven". Where is a he hate you: rebuke a wise man, and he will love reliable source that says that was its shape? I you...... Keep in mind I haven't rebuked you up wonder what goes through the mind of a man who until now but you scoffing me should self hears a "song of hope" in lyrics whose meaning he evident, . professes not to understand? Hmmm. Indoctrination to Satan. As for intent, I think it BibleWizard 1 year ago should be obvious that the intent of those worldy - +Jason Wiles I was hardly scoffing you, by asking to be generous - men was NOT to preach the for a source. If there is no source, the theory is still Gospel. Not obvious from the lyrics, but from their plausible and interesting. But if there is a source I lives. But if it was a recruiting tool, one must would make more use of it in my future writings, wonder how successful it was? I suppose the that's all. impression it gives is that it is somehow profound Jason Wiles 1 year ago though in no way most can lay their finger on. So perhaps the song became "church" for the +BibleWizard Well in that case all I could tell you hedonists who admire that lifestyle. is Its speculative because to my knowledge there are no physical remains and all we are left with is Jason Wiles 1 year ago the writings.But the architecture would be +BibleWizard well I was operating off of memory appropriate for the times.Considering the Romans and furthermore where is you're reliable source and the Greeks were noted to be reknown builders that it wasn't?After God confused there language and there architecture is responsible for our would it not be obvious they took their religous modernized world.Then you have to take in beliefs along with there pyramid building consideration the Bible implies it wasn't completed architecture with them? Is there not enough proof which makes me think the Ziggarut was a prequel of pyramids that were erected all over the world to the building they were attempting to accomplish

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 89 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” like say a prototype he lived in in the meantime have to remember people also lived longer in that until they had a chance to scale it up.But the era literary writings indicate Nimrod was Living in BibleWizard 1 year ago some thing like a Ziggarut prior to his death.Now that opens up a whole new can of worms on who +Jason Wiles Genesis 10:8 says "Gen 10:8 And killed him because some writings say his wife Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one Semuranis and some say Esau and while he fled he in the earth." See also 1 Chronicles 1:10 was weary and was affraid for his life he came to Jason Wiles 1 year ago jacobs tent to seek refuge and thets when he traded his birthright for a Bowl of soup if you are familiar +BibleWizard Yes and whats your point? I begat 3 with that story. Theres a pretty Good 77 part series boys and the Last was named Jullian.I went and called know thy enemy each part being roughly 6 looked up his geneology for you and it showed he mins long and I believe the first 10 talk about was like the 7th or 8th child of Cush.Maybe the Nimrod and Semiramus and the Ziggurat.It;s Bible was trying to illustrate a point you ever think pretty accurate to what I have read. As far as about that?Look you're starting to irritate me like I anything else you have to really comb through never considered reading the Bible.I've read and search,research what others have alredy serched studied the bible for 18 years now so let me put read the Book of Enoch and the Septuigant, the that out there.I'm trying to point to the sources I've Book of jubilees,The Book of Jasher.to gain a read that talk about it,and these are biblical sources broader Understanding.Did I Read all of these?Not not gnostic teachings.Go watch the first 10 parts of entirely I only read what I was looking for but for that series I told you about for more info.I'm trying the most part I watched peoples documenteries on to help you not serve as you're punching bag every these topics and scrutinized there work to save time you find a piece of information you can time.... debunk me with. BibleWizard 1 year ago Jason Wiles 1 year ago +Jason Wiles I understood the generally accepted +BibleWizard There are also theories he had timeline is that the Tower of Babel was before nephlim Dna that was brought over from Hams Abraham, which was also the time of Nimrod. He wife after the flood.The bible says Noah and his was long dead before Esau was born. generations were pure but it didn't say anything about his sons wives.Also from Cushes side whose Jason Wiles 1 year ago father was Ham you will see that all the nations +BibleWizard Yea I thought that to when I was with ites at the end of there name Like amorite writing it ,but thats what I've read .I think its in the ,Hitites were from this lineage and they were very book of Jasher?You would have to go back and large people.And God throughout the OT had the check Noahs sons geneology.I'm thinking ham Isrealites eradicate these people gave birth to cush and from cush 8 down the line my3stooges 1 year ago to Nimrod...And Shem gave birth to Lud and 8 down the line To Abraham,,,,,So yeah it does fit he Why don't you just tell the truth? I can tell by your time line ,I just went to double check it but like name that you are a Muslim or of a Muslim you It didn't sound right background. No wonder you are offended. But I am glad BibleWizard spoke the Truth! The truth Jason Wiles 1 year ago hurts sometime. +BibleWizard You know theres gonna be give or Jason Wiles 1 year ago take 50 years because these kids were'nt spit out in unison...And as far as Abraham being around is +ILsinglemom3 I can tell by your name you are totally possible even though I don't think the bible pathetic and lonely for a reason tries to connect Abraham to the Tower doesn't my3stooges 1 year ago mean he wasn't around in that time frame.And we

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 90 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” +Jason Wiles You go around tearing down every Christian and conservative? That is what I see in your posts. I told the truth, which obviously you The comments below were posted before don't care for. What is your problem? You know nothing about me and my life is not your business. I was not talking to you so you should learn your 2016 manners and stay out of someone else's conversation. steve byrd 2 years ago BibleWizard 1 year ago God is NOT the author of confusion my friend, This is a confusing song. My guess is that Singlemom is here addressing Tareq, but in the absence of her saying so Jason BibleWizard 2 years ago thought she was addressing him. +steve byrd If you mean the song itself is my3stooges 1 year ago confusing, my introduction shows its composer admitting as much. If you mean the Scriptures and +BibleWizard I am sure that I clicked on Tareq's applications I have superimposed over it are post but obvious it doesn't show. confusing, I will challenge you to consider “Here’s what it really means.” Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a Wendy Hughes 4 months ago thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter. "Confusing" is often our excuse for The lyrics have to do with a SPIRAL stairway to [avoiding] something that requires concentration. Heaven, but not what you might be thinking. The Most adult matters are "confusing" to children. song begins with the "duality" of words, and how Matthew 25, parable of talents, challenges us to words can be "spells" or "spelled" and used to double our capacity. If you care to articulate any deceive: look up Aleister Crowley, THE occultist questions, I will be glad to respond. whose home it was where the song was written. The spiral staircase refers to DNA and trans- Rich Aikin 2 years ago humanism that began when un-Earthly spirits No sir this song is not at all Christian;it is Satanic. mated with Earth women and produced the giants, You are sadly mistaken!!!! or Nephilim aka the "Reptilians." God called Lucifer and the (male) fallen Angels, "reptiles" BibleWizard 2 years ago when Lucifer and they fell from grace. Lucifer was +Obama Sux What authority do you have bejeweled with gold and gems; hence he glowed for saying so, when the composer says he doesn't as all did with a halo. Stained-glass entities in know? Catholic churches are NOT "Jesus"--well, they As my introduction acknowledges, it was ARE Jesus, just not the deity we SHOULD be certainly never perceived as Christian by early calling, "Yahweh" (YA-way). Christians were audiences, or the group would have lost all its tricked just as the Bible prophesied. You see a lot followers. of green with aliens because the heavens are gold To "Christianize" a song like this - to notice (all that glitters is gold) and our waters are blue; themes in it which COULD be metaphors of once mated, is green--thus bringing Heaven on Christian themes - is somewhat like erecting a Earth. That's what the "Touch of Gods" painting nativity scene in December, knowing December by Leonardo DaVinci is all about. The May Queen 25 was originally the lewd Roman holiday and May pole is allegorical for the trans-human Saturnalia. Do you think putting up a nativity DNA being entwined into the double helix "Spiral scene in December is Satanic? Staircase". The music is created to entrance all It is like Paul quoting pagan poets and who hear it. No need to be rude to BibleWizard; he putting his Gospel twist on them, in Acts 17:28. tried, but missed the mark. So what is the value of this approach? Why kirk b 2 months ago did Paul do it?

All the comments posted at “Stairway to Heaven... 91 the True Meaning Revealed at Last” I imagine partly because it gives Truth a "hook" [songwriting term for a clever, interesting line] that is familiar to people. Kelly Avery 1 month ago I wonder what christian songs played backwards would say? Shouldn't play with temptation, suspicion, assumption etc.... I'm not going to try it. Not even tempted ?

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