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Parliamentary Debates (Hansard) Wednesday Volume 648 31 October 2018 No. 199 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Wednesday 31 October 2018 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2018 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 893 31 OCTOBER 2018 894 Bob Stewart (Beckenham) (Con): Does the Minister House of Commons agree that the pay reduction seems a bit unfair, because the vast majority of MLAs actually want to do their Wednesday 31 October 2018 job, and it is only a small percentage that are stopping the Assembly being reassembled? The House met at half-past Eleven o’clock Mr Vara: My hon. Friend is absolutely right that the vast majority want to get on with doing their job; but PRAYERS we have to recognise that some of their duties have lessened, so we are making a reduction but recognising [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] that they still have constituents to look after and are still voices within their communities. Lady Hermon (North Down) (Ind): I would be fascinated Oral Answers to Questions to know how much it has cost to pay the MLAs their full salary since the collapse of the Assembly and the Executive in January 2017. Is it £12 million, £13 million, NORTHERN IRELAND £14 million? Does the Minister honestly believe that was money well spent, when our education budgets and The Secretary of State was asked— our health budget in Northern Ireland are so overstretched? MLA Pay Mr Vara: I do not know what the precise sum is, but I fully appreciate and am happy to put on record the hon. 1. Ged Killen (Rutherglen and Hamilton West) (Lab/ Lady’s commitment to this issue, on which she has Co-op): What recent discussions she has had with Cabinet spoken regularly. When the talks collapsed, there was colleagues on the allocation of the savings accrued from an element of good will and we hoped that the parties the reduction in the pay of Members of the Legislative would return and form the Executive again. There has Assembly. [907318] to be an element of good will, rather than instantly The Minister of State, Northern Ireland Office saying, “Right: we are making reductions.” We had that (Mr Shailesh Vara): My Department has no role in the element of good will; we had to introduce legislation for allocation of any savings resulting from the reduction in the cuts, and we also had to have the review conducted MLA pay. The budget for the payment of salaries to by Trevor Reaney. MLAs is held by the Assembly Commission. Any savings would be returned to the central Consolidated Fund for Karin Smyth (Bristol South) (Lab): Last week, the redistribution within the Northern Ireland civil service, Secretary of State said she wanted to see action on and their reallocation would be for that civil service to victims’ and survivors’ pensions. May I press the Minister, determine. I can also advise that the Secretary of State because legacy is a Northern Ireland Office responsibility? has today written to the Assembly Commission to bring Will the Government pledge the considerable savings the pay reduction into effect. from MLA pay to those pensions and make good on the UK Government’s promise to the victims and survivors Ged Killen: In their LGBT action plan, the Government of the troubles? allocated £4.5 million for an implementation fund that will be available to voluntary sector groups in England, Mr Vara: As I said earlier, as far as any savings are but when I was in Northern Ireland recently, I met concerned, the unspent money will be redistributed to people in similar groups facing even greater challenges the central Consolidated Fund for redistribution to the who have never received Government support from civil service, who can then reallocate. As far as legacy Stormont or Westminster. I have already asked the issues are concerned, the pension issue is actually a Secretary of State about that and I wrote to her on devolved matter. 7 September, and I have not had a reply. Will the Secretary of State consider supporting funding for these Devolved Government groups—if not from MLA pay, from another source? 2. David Duguid (Banff and Buchan) (Con): What Mr Speaker: I assume that the hon. Gentleman means progress has been made on restoring devolved government from the allocation of the savings accrued, which renders in Northern Ireland. [907319] it relevant to the question on the Order Paper? Ged Killen indicated assent. 8. Damien Moore (Southport) (Con): What progress has been made on restoring devolved government in Mr Speaker: Very good. Well done. Northern Ireland. [907325] Mr Vara: Thank you for clarifying that, Mr Speaker; 11. Huw Merriman (Bexhill and Battle) (Con): What it is much appreciated. I am sure that the hon. Gentleman progress has been made on restoring devolved government will receive a response from the Secretary of State very in Northern Ireland. [907328] soon. Any unspent money or savings would be returned to The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (Karen the central Consolidated Fund, for redistribution within Bradley): The Northern Ireland (Executive Formation the Northern Ireland civil service, and it is for civil and Exercise of Functions) Bill, which we debated last servants to allocate as they feel appropriate. week, has now been taken through both Houses.It provides 895 Oral Answers 31 OCTOBER 2018 Oral Answers 896 for a period in which an Executive can be formed at any say today to provide assurance and relieve the anxiety time, allowing for time and space for talks to take place and worry that many of these people will obviously without an election having to be called. I continue to have at the present time? engage with the main parties to discuss the implementation of the Bill and next steps towards the restoration of Karen Bradley: My Department’s officials and the devolution, and I have called a meeting for that purpose Minister of State, my hon. Friend the Member for tomorrow, in Belfast. I am also continuing to engage North West Cambridgeshire (Mr Vara), speak regularly with the Irish Government, and my right hon. Friend to the permanent secretary and other officials in the the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster and I will be Department of Health. I also meet the permanent in Dublin on Friday for a meeting of the British-Irish secretary to discuss various matters, including those we Intergovernmental Conference. Additionally,I am actively discussed in terms of the Bill last week, which, when it considering how and when external facilitation could becomes an Act of Parliament, will give civil servants play a constructive role in efforts to restore political the ability to make decisions, as they rightly should. But dialogue. This will form part of my discussions with the that is not a substitute for devolved Government, and parties. I am also extremely keen to support grassroots we need to have Ministers in place to make important and civil society efforts to facilitate political dialogue decisions, because these are devolved matters that should following a productive meeting with Church leaders be dealt with by devolved Ministers. earlier this month. Nigel Dodds: I hear what the Secretary of State says, David Duguid: I thank the Secretary of State for her but these are people living with real anxiety and real response. As Conservatives and as Scottish Conservatives, worries at the present time, and she has an opportunity we respect devolution—[Interruption]—unlike others. to do something about it now. Rather than wait, can she How best can we ensure that the people of Northern not say something to these people that will provide Ireland continue to have the ultimate say on what laws them with real hope that the inquiry will proceed quickly are passed on their behalf? and that action will be taken to ensure that this kind of thing does not happen again? Karen Bradley: I agree wholeheartedly with my hon. Friend: as members of the Conservative and Unionist Karen Bradley: I know that the right hon. Gentleman, party, we know that devolution is the best way to who as a constituency MP represents many people strengthen our precious Union. That is why it is absolutely affected by this, cares deeply about this matter and vital that decisions that are rightly devolved should be wants to see action taken. I, too, want to see action made by politicians elected by people in the nations and taken, and I will be happy to discuss this with him regions of our country,as appropriate under the devolution separately in terms of what actually can be done under settlement. the devolution and constitutional arrangements in place. Dr Andrew Murrison (South West Wiltshire) (Con): If Damien Moore: Does the Secretary of State agree the Executive are not restored by the end of the year, that the people of Northern Ireland deserve to have will the Secretary of State use the powers she is about to their devolved Administration restored so that their get under the Northern Ireland (Executive Formation representatives can make crucial spending choices, such and Exercise of Functions) Bill to issue guidance to as on health and education? ensure that Northern Ireland gets a proper cancer strategy, since it is the only part of the UK that does not have Karen Bradley: My hon. Friend again makes an one, and I am afraid that outcomes are reflecting that? important point; we discussed it last week. The very best thing for the people of Northern Ireland is devolved Karen Bradley: My hon.
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