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States of Jersey Official Report Wednesday, 14Th March 2007 STATES OF JERSEY OFFICIAL REPORT WEDNESDAY, 14TH MARCH 2007 PUBLIC BUSINESS (resumed…)................................................................................................3 1. The States sat in committee to discuss “Composition and election of the States Assembly: options for change” (R.97/2007) (continued…).............................................3 The Greffier of the States (in the Chair):..................................................................................3 1.1 Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier of St. Saviour: ........................................................................3 1.2 Senator L. Norman: ........................................................................................................6 1.3 Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier: ................................................................................7 1.4 Deputy R.C. Duhamel of St. Saviour: .............................................................................9 1.5 Connétable G.W. Fisher of St. Lawrence: .....................................................................11 1.6 Deputy C.H. Egré of St. Peter:......................................................................................14 1.7 Deputy S. Power of St. Brelade: ...................................................................................15 1.8 Senator T.A. Le Sueur: .................................................................................................17 1.9 Deputy C.J. Scott Warren of St. Saviour:......................................................................18 Connétable K.P. Vibert of St. Ouen: ......................................................................................19 1.10 Connétable S.A. Yates of St. Martin: ............................................................................20 1.11 Deputy S.C. Ferguson of St. Brelade: ...........................................................................21 1.12 Connétable D.J. Murphy of Grouville: ..........................................................................21 1.13 Senator P.F. Routier: ....................................................................................................22 1.14 Deputy D.W. Mezbourian of St. Lawrence: ..................................................................23 1.15 Deputy A.E. Pryke of Trinity:.......................................................................................24 1.16 Connétable M.J. Jackson of St. Brelade: .......................................................................25 1.17 Senator B.E. Shenton:...................................................................................................26 1.18 Deputy J.B. Fox of St. Helier:.......................................................................................27 1.19 Deputy P.N. Troy of St. Brelade: ..................................................................................30 LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT PROPOSED..........................................................................31 Senator S. Syvret: ..................................................................................................................31 Deputy C.F. Labey of Grouville:............................................................................................31 The Greffier of the States (in the Chair):................................................................................31 Senator M.E. Vibert:..............................................................................................................31 Deputy P.J.D. Ryan of St. Helier: ..........................................................................................31 LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT................................................................................................32 1.20 Deputy J. Gallichan of St. Mary:...................................................................................32 1.21 Connétable T.J. du Feu of St. Peter:..............................................................................34 1.22 Deputy P.V.F. Le Claire of St. Helier: ..........................................................................35 1.23 Connétable A.S. Crowcroft of St. Helier:......................................................................38 1.24 Senator F.E. Cohen:......................................................................................................40 1.25 Deputy G.P. Southern:..................................................................................................40 1.26 Deputy F.J. Hill of St. Martin: ......................................................................................41 1 1.27 Deputy C.F. Labey of Grouville:...................................................................................43 1.28 Senator M.E. Vibert:.....................................................................................................44 Senator J.L. Perchard:............................................................................................................45 Senator M.E. Vibert:..............................................................................................................45 Deputy G.W.J. de Faye of St. Helier:.....................................................................................46 Senator M.E. Vibert:..............................................................................................................46 Senator J.L. Perchard:............................................................................................................48 Senator M.E. Vibert:..............................................................................................................48 1.29 Connétable J.Le S. Gallichan of Trinity: .......................................................................48 1.30 Deputy K.C. Lewis of St. Saviour:................................................................................49 1.31 Deputy J.A. Martin of St. Helier: ..................................................................................50 Senator M.E. Vibert:..............................................................................................................50 Senator S. Syvret: ..................................................................................................................51 1.32 Connétable K.A. Le Brun of St. Mary:..........................................................................52 1.33 Senator S. Syvret:.........................................................................................................52 1.34 Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondre of St. Lawrence: ...................................................................54 Senator B.E. Shenton:............................................................................................................55 The Greffier of the States (in the Chair):................................................................................55 Senator M.E. Vibert:..............................................................................................................55 1.35 Deputy P.J.D. Ryan: .....................................................................................................55 1.36 Deputy G.W.J. de Faye:................................................................................................56 1.37 Deputy S. Pitman of St. Helier:.....................................................................................57 1.38 Senator F.H. Walker: ....................................................................................................58 1.39 Connétable D.F. Gray of St. Clement:...........................................................................59 ADJOURNMENT.......................................................................................................................59 The Greffier of the States (in the Chair):................................................................................59 2 The Roll was called and the Dean led the Assembly in Prayer. PUBLIC BUSINESS (resumed…) 1. The States sat in committee to discuss “Composition and election of the States Assembly: options for change” (R.97/2007) (continued…) The Greffier of the States (in the Chair): As the Members know, the Assembly is sitting in committee to discuss the issue of the position of the States and I invite Deputy Le Hérissier to speak. 1.1 Deputy R.G. Le Hérissier of St. Saviour: One of the interesting issues is always the subtext to these debates and when Deputy de Faye said he wanted a rigorous debate I was reminded of, I think it was, Harold Wilson’s phrase that politics is essentially the exchange of prejudices among people. I am guilty, of course, as anyone else. It is very interesting to give some historical context. In fact, it could be argued that the absence of political parties has been much shorter in Jersey’s last couple of centuries than has the presence of political parties. If you read, for example, about 2 giants of the 19th century, one the Constable of St. Helier’s favourite, Pierre Le Sueur, who was commemorated at the Broad Street Obelisk, and a chap called Francoise Godfrey. He was very interesting. He put himself forward as a classic Jerseyman. You know, do not give an inch; fight every inch of the way and do not let all these namby-pamby liberals, wets, radicals and pinko’s get a word in edgeways; they were not quite the terms of abuse but we have obviously improved in recent years. Interestingly enough, he was a contradiction in terms and in some respects I think we all are. It
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