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OFFICIAL RECORD of PROCEEDINGS Thursday, 23 April LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 23 April 2015 9187 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Thursday, 23 April 2015 The Council continued to meet at Nine o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE JASPER TSANG YOK-SING, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALBERT HO CHUN-YAN THE HONOURABLE LEE CHEUK-YAN THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-LAM, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG DR THE HONOURABLE LAU WONG-FAT, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE EMILY LAU WAI-HING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE TAM YIU-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE FREDERICK FUNG KIN-KEE, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE VINCENT FANG KANG, S.B.S., J.P. 9188 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 23 April 2015 THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-HING, B.B.S., M.H. PROF THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, S.B.S., J.P., Ph.D., R.N. THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE RONNY TONG KA-WAH, S.C. THE HONOURABLE CYD HO SAU-LAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE STARRY LEE WAI-KING, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LAM TAI-FAI, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAK-KAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KIN-POR, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG KWOK-CHE THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-KIN, S.B.S. THE HONOURABLE IP KWOK-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PAUL TSE WAI-CHUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALAN LEONG KAH-KIT, S.C. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KWOK-HUNG THE HONOURABLE ALBERT CHAN WAI-YIP LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 23 April 2015 9189 THE HONOURABLE WONG YUK-MAN THE HONOURABLE CLAUDIA MO THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL TIEN PUK-SUN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE NG LEUNG-SING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STEVEN HO CHUN-YIN THE HONOURABLE FRANKIE YICK CHI-MING THE HONOURABLE WU CHI-WAI, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YIU SI-WING THE HONOURABLE GARY FAN KWOK-WAI THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHARLES PETER MOK, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHI-CHUEN THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAN-PAN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KENNETH CHAN KA-LOK THE HONOURABLE CHAN YUEN-HAN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG CHE-CHEUNG, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALICE MAK MEI-KUEN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KWOK KA-KI THE HONOURABLE KWOK WAI-KEUNG THE HONOURABLE DENNIS KWOK 9190 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 23 April 2015 THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHEUNG WAH-FUNG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE SIN CHUNG-KAI, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE HELENA WONG PIK-WAN THE HONOURABLE IP KIN-YUEN THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LIAO CHEUNG-KONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE POON SIU-PING, B.B.S., M.H. THE HONOURABLE TANG KA-PIU, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE CHIANG LAI-WAN, J.P. IR DR THE HONOURABLE LO WAI-KWOK, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHUNG KWOK-PAN THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TONY TSE WAI-CHUEN, B.B.S. MEMBERS ABSENT: DR THE HONOURABLE PRISCILLA LEUNG MEI-FUN, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KA-LAU THE HONOURABLE JAMES TIEN PEI-CHUN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LEUNG DR THE HONOURABLE FERNANDO CHEUNG CHIU-HUNG DR THE HONOURABLE ELIZABETH QUAT, J.P. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 23 April 2015 9191 PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: PROF THE HONOURABLE K C CHAN, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR FINANCIAL SERVICES AND THE TREASURY THE HONOURABLE LAI TUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., I.D.S.M., J.P. SECRETARY FOR SECURITY THE HONOURABLE PAUL TANG KWOK-WAI, J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE THE HONOURABLE WONG KAM-SING, J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT MS CHRISTINE LOH KUNG-WAI, J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MR KENNETH CHEN WEI-ON, S.B.S., SECRETARY GENERAL MS ANITA SIT, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MISS FLORA TAI YIN-PING, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MISS ODELIA LEUNG HING-YEE, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MR MATTHEW LOO, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL 9192 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 23 April 2015 BILLS Committee Stage (Mr CHAN Chi-chuen signalled in his seat) CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Mr CHAN Chi-chuen, what is your point? MR CHAN CHI-CHUEN (in Cantonese): I request a headcount in accordance with Rule 17(3). CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Will the Clerk please ring the bell to summon Members to the Chamber. (After the summoning bell had been rung, a number of Members entered the Chamber) CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Committee continues with the first debate, which is on heads with no amendments. Will Members please return to your seats. Honourable Members, as I told you yesterday, I would like to conclude this debate at 10 am this morning, followed by voting. Since a Member just now requested a headcount and that took us 10 minutes to wait for Members to enter the Chamber, it is now 9.10 am. For those Members who have yet to speak in the first debate, if you wish to speak in this debate session but have not pressed the "Request to speak" button, please press the button now. (A number of Members pressed the "Request to speak" button) There are altogether seven Members who request to speak, including three Members who speak for the first time. These three Members are, according to their order of pressing the "Request to speak" button, Mr WONG Kwok-hing, Dr Kenneth CHAN and Dr CHIANG Lai-wan. The other four Members have already spoken at least once yesterday and they request to speak again. These LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 23 April 2015 9193 four Members are, according to their order of pressing the button, Mr CHAN Chi-chuen, Mr LEUNG Kwok-hung, Mr WONG Yuk-man and Mr Albert CHAN. If I allow all these seven Members to speak, I am afraid this debate may not conclude at 10 am. I understand that some Members strongly request me to conduct the debate in accordance with the original time allocation plan, that is, conclude this debate at 10 am, followed by voting. However, it is still my wish to rationalize the allocation of time through the collaboration of all Members, and optimize the meeting time for debate. We also understand that we need to make some arrangements in respect of time allocation. As for those Members who have already spoken brilliantly in the first debate and intend to speak in other debates, I also look forward to their speeches. Therefore, I shall let all those Members who have pressed the "Request to speak" button to speak in this session. If Members intend to speak more than once, I hope they will well organize the contents of their speech so that they can fully express their views within the speaking time. In other words, this debate session may be slightly extended, but I will deduct the extended time from the second debate, which means that the second debate will be shorter. This situation will happen sooner or later, because we aim to have all the debate sessions concluded within a specific period of time. I will now invite those Members who have not spoken in the first debate to speak first. The first Member is Mr WONG Kwok-hing. APPROPRIATION BILL 2015 MR WONG KWOK-HING (in Cantonese): Chairman, I support your arrangement on time management. At least, I will know when the filibustering can end. Chairman, regarding the 21 heads with no amendments, though I think there are plenty of room for improvement, the matters concerned can be raised to the Government and discussed at meetings of various Panels and at special meetings of the Finance Committee. There is no need to waste the time of Council meetings. According to Mr NG Leung-sing's computation, each day of filibustering in the new Legislative Council Session would result in a wastage of 9194 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 23 April 2015 $2.96 million, an increase of 5.6% when compared to the wastage of $2.55 million per day last year. In other words, this is the second day of filibustering, and a total of $5.38 million of taxpayers' money has already been wasted. Thus, I would finish my speech in two or three minutes instead of using up the 15 minutes of my speaking time. I also urge Honourable colleagues, if you treasure the speaking time and if you want to raise a lot of views, you should not abuse your right by requesting headcounts. Since Members wish to express their opinions, they should not waste the precious meeting time by conducting headcounts. In fact, we already had seven or eight headcounts since yesterday, which means much time had unnecessarily been wasted. Nevertheless, I am glad that the Chairman just now announced that each debate session will still be conducted in accordance with the original time allocation plan, regardless of the number of times of headcounts requested. Therefore, I hereby urge my fellow Members not to request headcount anymore, so as to avoid wasting time. Will Members please voice your views if you want to debate, and stop the practice of requesting headcounts.
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