BRITISH-IRISH PARLIAMENTARY ASSEMBLY Fifty-Fifth Plenary
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BRITISH-IRISH PARLIAMENTARY ASSEMBLY Fifty-Fifth Plenary Session 15-17 October 2017, Liverpool MEMBERSHIP OF THE BRITISH-IRISH PARLIAMENTARY ASSEMBLY STEERING COMMITTEE Co-Chairs Mr Andrew ROSINDELL MP Ms Kathleen FUNCHION TD Vice-Chairs Mr Declan BREATHNACH TD Mr Nigel EVANS MP Senator Frank FEIGHAN Ms Karin SMYTH MP MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE Westminster Members Oireachtas Members Lord BEW Senator Victor BOYHAN Baroness BLOOD MBE Mr Declan BREATHNACH TD Viscount BRIDGEMAN Mr Joe CAREY TD Ms Deidre BROCK MP Senator Paul COGHLAN Miss Rosie COOPER MP Mr Seán CROWE TD Rt. Hon Sir Jeffrey DONALDSON MP Senator Frank FEIGHAN Lord DUBS Mr Peter FITZPATRICK TD Lord EMPEY OBE Ms Kathleen FUNCHION TD Mr Paul FARRELLY MP Senator Terry LEYDEN Mr Stephen HEPBURN MP Mr Mattie McGRATH TD Ms Helen JONES MP Mr Tony McLOUGHLIN TD Mr Conor McGINN MP Ms Margaret MURPHY O’MAHONY Mr Nigel MILLS MP Senator Catherine NOONE Mr David MORRIS MP Mr Fergus O’DOWD TD Rt. Hon Lord MURPHY of Torfaen Mr Eamon SCANLON TD Mr Andrew ROSINDELL MP Mr Brendan SMITH TD Mr Chris RUANE MP Senator Diarmuid WILSON Ms Karin SMYTH MP Baroness SUTTIE Mr Martin VICKERS MP 2 Scottish Parliament Members Isle of Man Tynwald Member Ms Linda FABIANI MSP Mr Juan WATTERSON SHK Mr Ross GREER MSP Mr John SCOTT MSP States of Jersey Member Mr John Le FONDRÉ Welsh Assembly Members Mr Kevin LEWIS Ms Jayne BRYANT AM Ms Ann JONES AM States of Guernsey Member Dr Dai LLOYD AM Deputy Al BROUARD Mr Darren MILLAR AM Northern Ireland Assembly Members Mr Steve AIKEN MLA Mr Cathal BOYLAN MLA Mr Colin McGRATH MLA Mr Jim WELLS MLA OTHERS ATTENDING AS GUEST SPEAKERS Rt. Hon James Brokenshire MP Mr Andrew Rosindell MP Secretary of State for Northern Ireland Chair of Committee B (European Affairs) Mr Robin Walker MP Representatives British and Irish Youth Parliamentary Under-Secretary of Parliaments State, Department for Exiting the UK Youth, Youth Scotland, Youth Cymru, European Union Youth Work Ireland and Youth Action Northern Ireland Cllr. Malcolm Kennedy Lord Mayor of Liverpool Mr Eoin O’Neill President of the British-Irish Chamber of Mr Greg Quiery Commerce Historian and Author Professor Peter Shirlow Mr Seamus Nevin Director and Chair of the Institute of Irish Head of Policy Research, Institute of Studies, University of Liverpool Directors Dr John Whittaker Lancaster Business Schoo 3 OFFICIALS Joint Clerks to the Assembly Staff of the Devolved Institutions Dr Robin James, British Co-Clerk Mr Steven Bell Ms Dervila Flynn, Irish Co-Clerk Ms Nicola Crawford Ms Enfys Roberts COMMITTEE CLERKS TO THE ASSEMBLY Committee A: Sovereign Matters Committee B: European Affairs Mr Paul Shannon Ms Harriet Dean Mr Ed Faulkner Ms Marie-Claire Hughes Committee C: Economic Committee D: Environmental and Social Irish clerk to be appointed Mr Stuart Stoner Ms Danielle Nash Ms Marylee Wall (temporary) British and Irish Secretariats Official Reporters Mrs Veronica Carr Mr Eoin Bates Sir Michael Davies KCB Mr Mark Blackaby Mrs Amanda Healy Mr Patrick O’Hanlon Mr Jonathan Orr Ms Meleri Perkins Mr Eugene Wolstenholme 4 Monday 16 October 2017 The Assembly met at 9.22 am PLENARY BUSINESS PROGRAMME OF BUSINESS The Co-Chairperson (Ms Kathleen Funchion TD): The Assembly is now in public session. I remind everyone to turn off mobile phones or at least switch them to airplane mode because they interfere with the mics. I also advise Members that, as well as the normal audio recording of the proceedings, today’s and tomorrow’s sessions are being web streamed on the British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly (BIPA) website, which is at http://www.britishirish.org. I remind Members that, when they contribute or ask any questions, they should please state their name and where they are representing. Finally, Members, it is important to advise you that proceedings of this body do not attract parliamentary privilege. It gives me great pleasure to welcome you all here today to the historical city of Liverpool for the 55th plenary session. I welcome new Members joining us today from the Westminster Parliament. You have all been circulated with an up-to-date list of BIPA membership in your briefing pack. I also have to inform the Assembly that, in accordance with rule 2(a), the following Associate Members have accepted the invitation of the Steering Committee to assume the powers and responsibilities of Members for the whole of this session: Aengus Ó Snodaigh TD; Viscount Bridgeman; Dai Lloyd AM; and Cathal Boylan MLA. We also have apologies from Joan Burton TD, Senator Niall Ó Donnghaile, Senator Denis Landy, Pat the Cope Gallagher TD, Baroness Blood, Maria Caulfield MP, Lord Empey, Nigel Evans MP, Lord Lexden, Jack Lopresti MP, Baroness O’Cathain, Willie Coffey MSP, Mark Griffin MSP, Steffan Lewis AM, David Ford MLA, Paul Givan MLA and Ian Milne MLA. Andrew, over to you. The Co-Chairperson (Mr Andrew Rosindell MP): Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I welcome all Members here today to our 55th plenary session of the British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly. Members will have received a copy of the proposed programme of business. There has been a slight change to the programme agreed at the Steering Committee, and Members will find a copy of the final programme on their desk. During the next two days, we will resume our discussion on political developments with Brexit and continue our engagements with the youth representatives from various jurisdictions. We have a strong panel of speakers over the next day and a half, including two Ministers: Chloe Smith MP, who is the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Northern Ireland — unfortunately, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, the Rt Hon James Brokenshire, had to pull out because of his involvement in political talks in Northern Ireland 5 — and the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State at the Department for Exiting the European Union, Robin Walker MP, who, I am sure, will have interesting and challenging things to say about many of the pertinent issues we face today. The Lord Mayor of Liverpool, Councillor Malcolm Kennedy, will address the plenary this morning after Members have heard a talk on the history of the Liverpool Irish community, led by local historian Greg Quiery. This afternoon’s session will begin with a panel discussion on the implications of Brexit for the economies of the UK and Ireland. Finally, we will have a short presentation from five youth speakers, who will engage us on issues and challenges pertinent to young people today. We expect today’s session to conclude around 5.00 pm. At that point, Committee B will meet to further consider its report. Later, we will travel to the reception at Liverpool Town Hall, which will be followed by dinner in the main ballroom. On Tuesday morning, we will hear from a series of speakers who will deal with different aspects of British-Irish relations. First, we will hear from Eoin O’Neill, the president of the British-Irish Chamber of Commerce, and then from Professor Peter Shirlow, director and chairman of the Institute of Irish Studies at the University of Liverpool, who will share with us some interesting recent research on the political attitudes of young people in Northern Ireland. We will then hear from Dr Kirsten Pullen, the chief executive of the British and Irish Association of Zoos and Aquariums (BIAZA). To conclude the formal proceedings, the Assembly will then hear an update on the work of the BIPA Committees from the various Committee Chairmen, and the Assembly will adjourn at about 12.15 pm on Tuesday. It is very fitting to have a plenary here in this wonderful city of Liverpool as we discuss the future challenges impacting not only on politics but on all our citizens’ lives. History can teach us a lot of lessons, and we look forward to the future with great confidence. I now move formally to the adoption of the proposed Programme of Business. Programme of Business agreed. The Co-Chairperson (Mr Andrew Rosindell MP): I will now hand over to the Co-Chairperson Kathleen Funchion. THE LIVERPOOL IRISH COMMUNITY The Co-Chairperson (Ms Kathleen Funchion TD): Thanks, Andrew. We are going to welcome our first guest now, and I am very pleased to have invited him here today — Mr Greg Quiery. He will launch his new book ‘In Hardship and Hope: A History of the Liverpool Irish’ next week. He has utilised the most recent research to examine politics, social and economic history, sectarianism and the problems associated with large-scale migration and integration to produce his book, which has been well-received in early reviews. All that seems very relevant to modern-day politics as well. I am delighted that he is here to speak to us today and has taken the time to be with us. I call on Mr Quiery to address the Assembly and ask Members to give him a warm welcome. [Applause.] 6 Mr Greg Quiery: Assembly Members, it is a privilege to be invited to address you today to talk on the topic of the history of the Irish in Liverpool, a city where I have lived since leaving Belfast in the early 1970s. When people ask me where the epicentre of Liverpool is — where it all began — I ask them, “Well, do you know where the Hilton Hotel is?” It was right outside this hotel. A gentleman called Thomas Steers, who fought on the winning side at the battle of the Boyne — Mr Jim Wells MLA: Hear, hear. [Laughter.] Mr Greg Quiery: — dug a channel and dug out the original old pool of Liverpool and created room for 30 or 40 ships to avoid the huge tidal range out on the Mersey.