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Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Third Session - Thirty-Eighth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable George Hickes Speaker Vol. LVI No. 9B - 1:30 p.m., Thursday, December 2, 2004 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Eighth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation AGLUGUB, Cris The Maples N.D.P. ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital N.D.P. ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley N.D.P. ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson N.D.P. BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli N.D.P. BRICK, Marilyn St. Norbert N.D.P. CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan N.D.P. CULLEN, Cliff Turtle Mountain P.C. CUMMINGS, Glen Ste. Rose P.C. DERKACH, Leonard Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary, Hon. Concordia N.D.P. DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside P.C. FAURSCHOU, David Portage la Prairie P.C. GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach P.C. HAWRANIK, Gerald Lac du Bonnet P.C. HICKES, George, Hon. Point Douglas N.D.P. IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri Fort Garry N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. JHA, Bidhu Radisson N.D.P. KORZENIOWSKI, Bonnie St. James N.D.P. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATHLIN, Oscar, Hon. The Pas N.D.P. LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. La Verendrye N.D.P. LOEWEN, John Fort Whyte P.C. MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns N.D.P. MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden P.C. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McGIFFORD, Diane, Hon. Lord Roberts N.D.P. MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East P.C. MURRAY, Stuart Kirkfield Park P.C. NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake N.D.P. OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River N.D.P. PENNER, Jack Emerson P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D.P. REIMER, Jack Southdale P.C. ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Rupertsland N.D.P. ROCAN, Denis Carman P.C. RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia N.D.P. ROWAT, Leanne Minnedosa P.C. SALE, Tim, Hon. Fort Rouge N.D.P. SANTOS, Conrad Wellington N.D.P. SCHELLENBERG, Harry Rossmere N.D.P. SCHULER, Ron Springfield P.C. SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St. Boniface N.D.P. SMITH, Scott, Hon. Brandon West N.D.P. STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo P.C. STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin-Roblin N.D.P. SWAN, Andrew Minto N.D.P. TAILLIEU, Mavis Morris P.C. WOWCHUK, Rosann, Hon. Swan River N.D.P. 343 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Thursday, December 2, 2004 The House met at 1:30 p.m. employees' pension plan by not cutting pension benefits. ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS Signed by Maria Richardson, Dayna Ploog, PETITIONS Beverley Allard and others. Pension Benefits Mr. Speaker: In accordance with our Rule 132(6), when petitions are read they are deemed to be Mrs. Myrna Driedger (Charleswood): I wish to received by the House. present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. The honourable Member for Morris. These are the reasons for this petition: MATTER OF PRIVILEGE Pension benefits for thousands of Manitoba Mr. Speaker: The honourable Member for Inkster, health care workers are being cut because the on– government has refused to support the front-line health care workers in their desire to maintain their I had recognized the honourable Member for existing Healthcare Employees' Pension Plan Morris (Mrs. Taillieu), but I heard the honourable (HEPP). member say he was up on privilege. So I will hear his privilege and then I will go back to the The government is doubling the early retirement honourable Member for Morris. penalty to 6 percent a year from 3 percent. The honourable Member for Inkster, on the matter of privilege. There will be no cost-of-living benefits for retirees in the foreseeable future, which means that Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Inkster): Thank you, Mr. inflation will erode retirees' pension cheques over Speaker. I truly do believe it is a matter which this time. Chamber needs to be made aware of. I think it is a very important matter. It happened earlier today in The government's refusal to support the existing the legislative committee, in Room 255 or is it 254. I pension plan will have a negative impact on believe this is the first opportunity, obviously, that I hundreds of front line health care workers. have had to raise the issue with this House in the sense that the committee adjourned at twelve o'clock, The government is demonstrating a lack of and we have now adjourned the Chamber, or I respect for front-line health care workers by its should not say adjourned, we are now reconvened decision to allow administrative costs in the regional inside the Chamber. So it is the first opportunity to health authorities to skyrocket by millions of dollars. raise the issue. We petition the Legislative Assembly of In terms of the prima facie case, Mr. Speaker, I Manitoba as follows: would argue that it is critically important that this Legislative Assembly recognize the importance of To request the provincial government to four what are supposed to be truly independent consider redirecting administrative cost savings to offices, the office of Elections Manitoba, the provin- front-line health care workers. cial auditor's office, the Ombudsman's office and the Child Advocacy office. Those offices report to this To request the provincial government to treat Legislative Chamber through you, Mr. Speaker. I front-line health care workers with the respect they think that it is important, it is absolutely imperative deserve, and to consider supporting the health care that when things require change, as we see within the 344 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA December 2, 2004 advocacy office, there is going to be a need to fill a which representatives from all three parties should position and that means there is going to be a need to participate. Even though I could not vote, I thought it have some sort of a search, if you like, committee. was a motion that was worthwhile in terms of voting for, and I indicated that. We have heard on numerous occasions from the Premier (Mr. Doer), whether it is in Throne Speech The government of the day quickly voted it or just comments to members of the media, of the down. Then they brought forward their own motion, importance of all parties working together in order to and that motion excluded the Liberal Party inside accomplish certain things; whether it was on this Chamber. I think there is a contradiction in terms smoking, we have the Healthy Child task force, we of you cannot say it is okay for the Liberals to have had the Liberal Party be present in terms of participate in this and do this cherry-picking, when in making a presentation in Ottawa in an all-party type reality, Mr. Speaker, this is a critical office. We all of format. care deeply about the children of our province. No political party owns the issue of wanting to help our * (13:35) children, and that is why we have a child advocacy group or office that reports to this Chamber as Well, Mr. Speaker, what happened earlier opposed to directly to the government of the day. We today was that I had raised the issue in committee as all have shared responsibility. We all need to be able to we believe that the Child Advocacy position to feel that we are a part of ensuring that the hiring of should have a representative from all parties inside this individual is, in fact, in the best interests of our this Chamber. In particular the concern was that the children. The party politics should be set aside for Child Advocacy office reports to this Chamber and, this. as such, all of us should have some ability to be able to participate in the process. I talked about myself In committee, right after voting down the and the Leader of the Manitoba Liberal Party. I spent member from River East's motion, they then moved some time in explaining my position in detail, and I the motion saying that the Liberals do not have a very much appreciate the fact that the official role. Fortunately, there was an amendment that was opposition did recognize that we do have the right to moved to the government's amendment that would be able to be a participant in this. What surprised me again have allowed us to have representation on that was the fact that the government of the day, for committee. What I see is that there are at least two whatever reasons, did not feel that it would be parties inside this Chamber that are prepared to take appropriate to have either myself or the Leader of the a more apolitical approach in doing what is right in Manitoba Liberal Party involved in this process. terms of the Child Advocacy office. What I do not understand is why the government of the day does not recognize that issue. The merits stand on their Mr. Speaker, I initially had approached it by own. suggesting that all members have to be afforded the opportunity to participate in some capacity. When I If I did not raise this issue as a matter of said "some capacity," ultimately, if we could not be a privilege, I suspect that the likelihood of the voting member, an observer, it is something which government being successful at keeping Liberal we would have entertained. But fundamentally, I do participation on that committee will likely be believe that we should be able to be a full participant successful because they have a majority.
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