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Doc Holliday V2 Cold Open: “I’m your huckleberry.” If you haven’t seen Tombstone you should. Best Western ever. My favorite movie. And my favorite character from that movie is Doc Holliday. And I also thought that Holliday, portrayed by Kilmer, was heavily fictionalized by Hollywood. Turns out, maybe not nearly as much as I thought. John Henry Holiday, better known as Doc Holliday, was a Wild Western anomaly. He was a gambler, drunk, gunslinger, and quite possible a thief - BUT - he also an educated Southern dentist raised by well-to-do plantation owners. He was a complicated and fascinating man who we only know through the descriptions of those who knew him, some of whom liked him and admired him and others who despised and reviled him. This was a really fun story to suck into, so let’s head back to the Wild West - been awhile since we visited - today, on Timesuck. PAUSE TIMESUCK INTRO I. Welcome A. Happy Friday Bonus Suckers! Hail Nimrod! I’m Dan Cummins and this is Timesuck. Bonus episode 16. The 1600 review episode. Thanks for continuing to pour those reviews in, it means a ton. It helps this show so much. And thanks for voting for Doc Holiday last week on @timesuckpodcast on Instagram. Recording from the Suck Dungeon and lots going on. Sipping on some water and some coffee supplied by Timesucker Trent Tvrdy - thanks for hooking the suck dungeon up with a crazy coffee and water dispenser machine. FAN-CY. Love it Trent. My new album, Maybe I’m the Problem, is here and you can hear it only on Pandora for the next three months - and you can hear it for FREE! And you get to listen to the entire album straight through by using the link in the episode description. It’s on Pandora Premium which only works on mobile devices. And you don’t have to be a Premium listener to enjoy it. The link gives you a free 30 mins free trial of Pandora Premium so when that time is up, just come back and click the link and you’ll have enough time to finish the new album. If you have any trouble just to make sure to update your Pandora app to the latest version. So check that out! AND - less than a week away from the age of the Space Lizards. The Patreon account is LIVE for those of you who want to sign up early to become Space Lizard’s next month! You won’t be charged $5 until Feb. 1st and that’s when some new Space Lizard features on the app and the website arrive, that’s when ANOTHER new album, Feel the Heat, will be available for Space Lizards and Space Lizards only - you get the download link to listen to that bad boy, that’s when the first piece of Space Lizard merch comes out, and February is when the Secret Suck podcast comes out! So much stuff. HUGE thanks to over 500 Timesuckers who have already signed up. So join them Space Lizard! The age of the Space Lizard is almost here! Link to the Patreon profile that is your ticket into the exclusive world of the Space lizard in the episode description. And, Patreon is just being used to collect the $5 a month. You won’t have to go to Patreon to listen to the new podcast - it’ll be right there in the app and on the website for all you Space Lizards and ONLY you Space Lizards to enjoy. Preview clip from the new stand up album at the end of the show, Feel the Heat you get when you sign up - pay $5 and you get a new album. Don’t like the Srect Suck, cancel and keep the album. Thanks to the Timesuckers who came out last night in Philly. I’ll be here tonight and tomorrow at the Punchline and then Baltimore Sunday at Magoobys. And then it’s Chicago January 31st through Feb. 3rd New York City Feb. 11th. And more in the episode description. But now, it’s Doc Holliday. PAUSE INTERLUDE II. Opening: A. Who Was Doc Holliday? So, who really was Doc Holliday? It’s hard to say for sure because the man didn’t keep a journal and accounts written about him by contemporaries vary. We may never know all the details, but we do know the gist. He was a “lunger” - he did suffer from, a die of, consumption. He was a doctor - he graduated from a dental school in Philadelphia. He was a drunk and a gambler - he was arrested and fined many, many times for crimes involving being drunk in public and for gambling. He was a gun slinger - he’s rumored to have killed several men, there are newspaper accounts of him getting in gun fights, and a lot of contemporary accounts of him not only being ready to draw down on anyone, but also a really, really good gunslinger. But again, who he really was, how good, how bad, eludes us. Historian Gary L Roberts writes the following an excellent Doc Holliday book I leaned on heavily for today’s episode: Doc Holliday: The Life and Legend. “Not a single sample of his writing that would provide insight into how he felt or what he believed appears to have survived. Without a body of letters or even reminiscences written by him that would serve as a corrective to the half-known life presented in the opinion- gripped contemporary press and the memories of men and women who saw him through the lenses of their own agendas and emotion- packed prejudices, John Henry Holliday tantalizes the biographer with unanswered questions. He did not have a frontierwide reputation until after his experiences at Tombstone in 1881 and 1882. Before then, his life did not always leave a clear trail. As a result, much of his life—even many of its most critical moments—are left to informed speculation and possibilities.” B. Here’s what other’s had to say: Opinions always varied. Wyatt Earp (through his ghostwriter in 1896) described him as a “mad, merry scamp with heart of gold and nerves of steel; who…stood at my elbow in many a battle to the death. “He was a dentist, but he preferred to be a gambler. He was a Virginian [actually a Georgian], but he preferred to be a frontiersman and a vagabond. He was a philosopher, but he preferred to be a wag. He was long, lean, an ash-blond and the quickest man with a six-shooter I ever knew.” Bat Masterson was less kind, saying that Doc “had a mean disposition and an ungovernable temper, and under the influence of liquor was a dangerous man.” Describing him as “a weakling who could not have whipped a healthy fifteen-year-old boy in a go-as- you-please fight,” Masterson saw him as “hot headed and impetuous and very much given to both drinking and quarreling, and among men who did not fear him, [he] was very much disliked.” The editor of the Las Vegas (New Mexico) Daily Optic—who was safely distant from Doc at the time—described him as a “shiftless bagged-legged character—a killer and a professional cut-throat and not a whit too refined to rob stages or even steal sheep.” A fellow Georgian who knew him as a young man and later dabbled in silver mining in Colorado said of him following his death, “He was a warm friend, and would fight as quick for one as he would for himself. He did not have a quarrelsome disposition, but managed to get into more difficulties than almost any man I ever saw.” An unidentified newspaperman remarked about Doc in 1882, “Here is a man who, once a friend, is always a friend; once an enemy is always an enemy.” Ridgely Tilden, a correspondent for the San Francisco Examiner in 1882, wrote of him: Now comes Doc Holliday, as quarrelsome a man as God ever allowed to live on earth. A Georgian, well bred and educated, he happened in Kansas some years ago. Saving Wyatt Earp’s life in Dodge City, Kansas, he earned his gratitude, and notwithstanding his many bad breaks since, has always found a friend in Wyatt. Doc Holliday is responsible for all the killing, etc, in connection with what is known as the Earp-Clanton imbroglio in Arizona. He kicked up the fight, and Wyatt Earp and his brothers “stood in” with him on the score of gratitude. So, let’s suck in to a lot of the details of his life so you can form your own opinion of wild west legend Doc Holliday. III. Timesuck Timeline A. January 8, 1849: On January 8, 1849, 29 year old Henry Holliday wed 19 year old Alice Jane McKey, daughter of wealthy Southern plantation owners, in Griffin, Georgia. The couple moved into a house on Tinsley Street north of the railroad tracks in Griffin. Georgia entered the nineteenth century still largely the homeland of the Creeks and the Cherokees. John Henry’s father, Henry Burroughs Holliday, was a self-made man—Andrew Jackson’s “common man”—the kind of man nineteenth-century Americans celebrated. His people were plain folk in the Old South. Henry’s paternal great-grandfather, William Holliday, was one of three Scotch-Irish brothers who immigrated to America from Ireland sometime after 1750. He settled in the Laurens District of South Carolina, while his brothers, “objecting to settle in slave states,” moved north, as Henry later recalled.
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