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EXECUTIVE OFFICE nmO\ F iimfu**m^*mTHE SECRETARY-GENERAt ^^mfnrm^mm^^mm*^** Ln . ^ajji j Note to the Secretary-General OPRAH WINFREY TRANSCRIPTS Sir, As requested, please find attached copies of transcripts for "Oprah in Africa" (ABC) and Larry King Live interview with Oprah Winfrey. Ahmad Fawzi 19 December 2003 i w llfl JAN I 4 EOSG/CENTIMI *A CNN LARRY KING LIVE Interview With Oprah Winfrey Aired December 9, 2003 - 21:00 ET THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, Oprah Winfrey. Do we have to say the last name? She's here for the hour live to talk about her ground breaking career, her no. 1 talk show, her recent trip to South Africa, her future plans and more. We'll even take some phone calls. The one and only Oprah, next on LARRY KING LIVE. You realize something after bumping into each other on the street today in New York, Oprah and I, neither one us have a cell phone. OPRAH WINFREY,: Hey. Maybe we're the only two people left. KING: It's great, ain't it. WINFREY: It's great. If you can't reach me, you can't reach me. And what did everybody do before cell phones? KING: All the time we been together split screen at your studio, in the old studio in Baltimore, this is the first time on this set. WINFREY: Ever. Ever. Worldwide. This is what's so amazing. I just came back from Africa. I've been in other countries. No matter where you are, CNN is there your friend and there's Larry. No matter where you are. KING: Isn't nice to know. WINFREY: It's nice to know. KING: I want to cover a lot of bases. WINFREY: OK. KING: How do you explain the show -- your show rebounded? I mean, your no. 1 but you're up like 14 percent. WINFREY: Isn't that good? It is extraordinary after 18 years, this is the 18th season. And we just came out of the door. This season. Had a new executive producer who's been with me, actually, since we started Ellen Rakieten . And Dianne Hudson who had been producer of the show for 10 years took over my foundation. And we made a decision this year that we were going to be more celebratory about life. We were going to have more diversity in our shows. That I was going to be more actively involved. I was going to take some things out of the studio and celebrate life in a way that we hadn't in past years. KING: Did you almost give it up. WINFREY: Yes. There have been several times when I almost gave it up. I don't actually - after I finish "Beloved" around 1988,1 had a revelation about this idea of giving it up and what it meant to have a voice like this in the world. And I thought then that's when I came the theme of run on and see what the end will be. Because I just thought, look at where I came from. My, You know, history, my ancestry. Look at how 1 ,r hard it was to get to where I am. It doesn't make sense to give it up. And so what I try to give myself an option. I have a two-year deal so that there will come a time when I know that it's over. When the ratings will tell me. When the voice of the people will tell me. I'll know it's time. KING: Will it be the your ratings or you just saying I've had enough? WINFREY: I think maybe a combination of. I think as long as I can use television and not be used by television, to use it as a platform, it's a wonderful vehicle. KING: Not bad. WINFREY: Not bad. KING: We're 18 years old, too. I just thought about. WINFREY: Are you? KING: June 1st, 1985. WINFREY: Wow. KING: When did you start? WINFREY: September 8th, 1986. So maybe I'm in the - going into the 18th year. KING: OK. The - the show does more newsy things, doesn't it? WINFREY: Yes, we do everything. KING: You do Elizabeth Smart. You do Scott Peterson. There were times you didn't. WINFREY: Well, you know, this is what has happened. It is like you every day. Every day you're only as good as your last show. I mean, look at Laura Bush last night. That was pretty great. Then I'm on tonight. KING: Tomorrow night is Cosby. We moved things around. We have Cosby tomorrow night and then we got Brokaw, then we got President Carter. WINFREY: You've got a great week. A great week here in New York but I am just saying every day you have to work at making it great. There's not one day when you sort of lay back and say, that was it. That was a really great show because you still have tomorrow. And so, we have - you know, we do everything. KING: Do true crime stories bother you? WINFREY: You know what, it's important to remain current. It's interesting to do crime if it's something the whole country is talking about. For example, Elizabeth Smart or in the Scott Peterson case. But just doing crime for crime sake it does bothers me because you end up repeating what's already been done and said. And really I don't like putting negativity out on the air if I can help it. KING: Michael Jackson, that's a story because it's a story? WINFREY: Uh-huh. KING: That's big. WINFREY: And, you know, what's interesting is in 1992,1 remember before there were ever any allegation about Michael Jackson and his - his supposed involvement with children, I did an interview in 1992 live around the world. And I remember that because everybody was saying, oh my goodness, you have got this Michael Jackson interview. What will you talk about? And i never really prepare questions. I just kind of sit and have a conversation. KING: That's the way we work. WINFREY: Yes. That's the way we work. So, I wasn't nervous until I had announced live there was like a promo like three minutes before we went on air. And I said, coming up, live around the world, Michael Jackson. And then, my knees started to shake because I thought, OK, I don't know him. I don't know how he's going to respond. I don't know if I ask him a question, if he's going to answer it or not. So, it's the first time I'm ever nervous in an interview. KING: Do you feel sorry for him? WINFREY: No. KING: What do you feel? WINFREY: You know, I try to basically keep my opinions to myself when it comes to people who are charged with crimes that I don't know anything about. KING: Good idea. WINFREY: Yes. And so, I don't --1 don't feel anything. KING: What do you make of the onslaught of celebrity-dom- tabloid-justice-Martha Stewart-Kobe Bryant? We seem to be flooded. Is this a new era? WINFREY: This is interesting. You know, I've been sort of in the public's eye now for going into my 18th year, and I noticed around 1988 a definite difference, a definite change in the press. Prior to the 1988 season for myself, all my - all the tabloid stories were ridiculous things. You know, you know, babies from different planets and all that. And then, I lost a lot of weight on that diet where I... KING: And you gathered all the... WINFREY: Pulled out the fat. And it just changed. And what I realized is it changed because the tabloid press realized that that sold papers and so it's all about what sells. And it's all about what I think the particularly tabloid media feels is in the public's interest and the public — what is the public pulse. And so they print over and over - I get the same stories over and over. KING: Recycled? WINFREY: I get the she's too fat, her friends are worried about her being fat. KING: Her boyfriend is leaving. WINFREY: Her boyfriend is leaving her. Dumped. I get the same either dumped or headed... KING: Or dumper. WINFREY: No. I've never been the dumper. I've always been dumped because that's a better story. Or I've been - I've been secret wedding. I've been secret wedding, wants to be married. Pines to be married. Wants to have children. KING: Do you laugh at them or do they still get you? WINFREY: No. They don't get me anymore. I know the moment I say that does get me. I was a little ticked, think, back in July. I happen to be out of the country and there was an Oprah dump story and I was a little unnerved by that because it just was so false. It was -- the story was about how there had been a big fight between Stedman and I. And the truth of the matter is we were all together on the 4th of July, you know, having a picnic with his family. And so I couldn't fathom how they could come up with that story unless someone personally fed them that story.