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PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT GENERAL COMMITTEES Public Bill Committee ADVANCED RESEARCH AND INVENTION AGENCY BILL Third Sitting Tuesday 20 April 2021 (Morning) CONTENTS CLAUSE 1 agreed to. SCHEDULE 1 under consideration when the Committee adjourned till this day at Two o’clock. PBC (Bill 264) 2019 - 2021 No proofs can be supplied. Corrections that Members suggest for the final version of the report should be clearly marked in a copy of the report—not telephoned—and must be received in the Editor’s Room, House of Commons, not later than Saturday 24 April 2021 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2021 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 81 Public Bill Committe20 APRIL 2021 Advanced Research and Invention 82 Agency Bill The Committee consisted of the following Members: Chairs: JUDITH CUMMINS,MR PHILIP HOLLOBONE, †ESTHER MCVEY,DEREK TWIGG † Baker, Duncan (North Norfolk) (Con) † Onwurah, Chi (Newcastle upon Tyne Central) (Lab) † Bell, Aaron (Newcastle-under-Lyme) (Con) Owen, Sarah (Luton North) (Lab) † Blackman, Kirsty (Aberdeen North) (SNP) Richardson, Angela (Guildford) (Con) † Butler, Dawn (Brent Central) (Lab) † Solloway, Amanda (Parliamentary Under-Secretary † Crosbie, Virginia (Ynys Môn) (Con) of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy) † Fletcher, Mark (Bolsover) (Con) † Tomlinson, Michael (Lord Commissioner of Her † Flynn, Stephen (Aberdeen South) (SNP) Majesty’s Treasury) † Furniss, Gill (Sheffield, Brightside and Hillsborough) † Zeichner, Daniel (Cambridge) (Lab) (Lab) † Hunt, Jane (Loughborough) (Con) Sarah Ioannou, Seb Newman, Committee Clerks † Mayhew, Jerome (Broadland) (Con) † Metcalfe, Stephen (South Basildon and East Thurrock) (Con) † attended the Committee 83 Public Bill CommitteHOUSE OF COMMONS Advanced Research and Invention 84 Agency Bill The Chair: With this it will be convenient to discuss Public Bill Committee the following: Amendment 3, in clause 1, page 1, line 5, leave out Tuesday 20 April 2021 “ARIA”and insert “AREPA”. This amendment would reflect a modification to the name of the Advanced Research and Invention Agency to the Advanced Research (Morning) and Engineering Projects Agency. Amendment 4, in clause 1, page 1, line 6, leave out [ESTHER MCVEY in the Chair] “ARIA”and insert “AREPA”. This amendment would reflect a modification to the name of the Advanced Research and Invention Advanced Research and Invention Agency to the Advanced Research Agency Bill and Engineering Projects Agency. Amendment 26, in clause 15, page 5, line 35, leave out 9.25 am “Advanced Research and Invention Agency” The Chair: We are now sitting in public and the and insert proceedings are being broadcast. Before we begin, I “Advanced Research and Engineering Projects Agency”. have a few preliminary announcements. Members will This amendment will modify the ARIA short title. understand the need to respect social distancing guidance. Amendment 1, title, line 1, leave out In line with the Commission’s decisions, face coverings “Advanced Research and Invention Agency” should be worn in Committee unless Members are and insert speaking or medically exempt. colleagues would Hansard “Advanced Research and Engineering Projects Agency”. be grateful if Members could email their speaking notes This amendment would modify the long title of the Bill to reflect a to [email protected]. Please switch electronic change to the name of the Advanced Research and Invention Agency to devices to silent; teas and coffees are not allowed during the Advanced Research and Engineering Projects Agency. sittings. We now begin line-by-line consideration of the Bill. Daniel Zeichner: It is a pleasure to serve with you in The selection list for today’s sitting is available in the the Chair, Ms McVey. I look forward to a fascinating room and shows how the selected amendments have discussion about a very important set of issues. Let me been grouped together for debate. Amendments grouped start by apologising on behalf of the shadow Minister, together are generally on the same or similar issues. my hon. Friend the Member for Newcastle upon Tyne Please note that decisions on amendments do not take Central, who is delayed this morning but will be joining place in the order in which they are debated but in the us in an hour or so. I have the pleasure of opening this order that they appear on the amendment paper. The morning’s sitting. I thank those who set up last week’s selection list shows the order of debates. Decisions on evidence sessions.I have sat on a number of Bill Committees each amendment are taken when we come to the clause in my short time in Parliament, and I have to say that I to which the amendment relates. A Member who has think it was the most informative evidence session that put their name to the leading amendment in a group is I have come across. I hope we all learned something called first; other Members are then free to catch my eye from it—I certainly did. to speak to all or any of the amendments within that group. A Member may speak more than once in a single The evidence session led directly to the first set of debate. amendments. David Cleevely suggested this idea, in fact, and I remind the Committee of what he said in his At the end of the debate on a group of amendments, observations: or new clauses and schedules, I shall again call the “All the examples given of contributions that make a difference Member who moved the leading amendment or new have all been, it strikes me, about engineering, so I suggest that we clause. Before they sit down, they will need to indicate rename this the ‘Advanced Research and Engineering Agency’. To whether they wish to withdraw the amendment or new be honest, ‘invention’ strikes me a bit like something in the 1950s, clause, or seek a decision. If any Member wishes to with somebody emerging from a shed with a gadget that has just press to a vote any other amendment in a group, including blown their hair off”— grouped new clauses and schedules, they need to let me a bit like my hair this morning. He continued: know. I shall use my discretion to decide whether to “Peter Highnam pointed out ‘projects’, so we might actually allow a separate stand part debate on individual clauses consider it to be the ‘Advanced Research and Engineering Projects and schedules following the debate on the relevant Agency’.”––[Official Report, Advanced Research and Invention amendments. Agency Public Bill Committee, 14 April 2021; c. 74, Q76.] That is a really important point. I suspect that much of Clause 1 the discussion today and in successive sittings will really be about the finer points of setting up an organisation, ESTABLISHMENT OF ARIA and will be relatively dry. Amendment 2 goes to the heart of what the agency is actually about and its whole Daniel Zeichner (Cambridge) (Lab): I beg to move purpose. amendment 2, in clause 1, page 1, line 3, leave out I very much hope that we will get wide engagement “Advanced Research and Invention Agency” from all members of the Committee. I know that and insert Government Whips are sometimes inclined to suggest “Advanced Research and Engineering Projects Agency”. that Government Members should hold their fire, but This amendment would modify the name of the Advanced Research we have lots of expertise here today, and I think we are and Invention Agency to the Advanced Research and Engineering all trying to get the best outcome, so I hope people will Projects Agency. feel that they can contribute. 85 Public Bill Committe20 APRIL 2021 Advanced Research and Invention 86 Agency Bill One thing that struck me about the evidence session is not just a building, though; hugely important work was just how many witnesses highlighted the need for goes on in it. Scientists from across the world, particularly greater clarity about the purpose of the agency. Professor Europe, are doing fantastic work. They have won a Wilsdon put it very well when he said: disproportionate number of Nobel prizes over the years. “I think that trying to bring more clarity, or at least a sense of Mr Cummings’s view was to hark back to the starting how this issue will be addressed through the governance of this point, when there were some fantastic breakthroughs in new thing, is really important.” a shed on the site of the old Addenbrooke’s Hospital. He warned: He almost seemed to think that they needed to be in the “Otherwise, you or your successors, and we or our successors, shed to get the breakthroughs. He was harking back to will be back here in a few years’ time, asking ourselves why it did a very different world—perhaps the world that he wants not work.”––[Official Report, Advanced Research and Invention us to be, back in the 1950s. That is not the world we are Agency Public Bill Committee, 14 April 2021; c. 23, Q19.] in now. That is the crunch with the name change. Commentary and observations from the outside world say the same thing. The Government may have a view, What is in a name? In this case, a great deal. The and I hope the Minister will take the opportunity to word “invention” in the current title is useful to create a clarify it. Our concern is that the Bill lacks clarity. cheery acronym—I will come back to that—but actually it points to completely the wrong approach. As David I found the evidence session very helpful, particularly said, it is bit like something from the 1950s, when because I started with a bit of prejudice: I thought I someone emerges from a shed with a gadget that has would struggle with anything that had been promoted blown their hair off.