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COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA Official Committee Hansard JOINT STANDING COMMITTEE ON ELECTORAL MATTERS Reference: Integrity of the electoral roll WEDNESDAY, 15 NOVEMBER 2000 CANBERRA BY AUTHORITY OF THE PARLIAMENT INTERNET The Proof and Official Hansard transcripts of Senate committee hearings, some House of Representatives committee hearings and some joint com- mittee hearings are available on the Internet. Some House of Representa- tives committees and some joint committees make available only Official Hansard transcripts. The Internet address is: http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard To search the parliamentary database, go to: http://search.aph.gov.au JOINT COMMITTEE ON ELECTORAL MATTERS Tuesday, 5 December 2000 Members: Mr Pyne (Chair), Senators Bartlett, Faulkner, Ferris, Mason and Murray and Mr Laurie Ferguson, Mr McClelland, Mr St Clair and Mr Somlyay Senators and members in attendance: Senators Ferris, Mason and Murray and Mr Laurie Ferguson, Mr McClelland, Mr Pyne, Mr St Clair and Mr Somlyay Terms of reference for the inquiry: To inquire into and report on: • the adequacy of the Commonwealth Electoral Act for the prevention and detection of fraudulent enrolment; • incidents of fraudulent enrolment; and • the need for legislative reform. WITNESSES BECKER, Mr Andrew Kingsley, Electoral Commissioner, Chief Executive Officer, Australian Electoral Commission.......................................................................................................................................3 BROWN, Mr Stephen Lance, Divisional Returning Officer, Herbert, Australian Electoral Commission........................................................................................................................................................3 CUNLIFFE, Mr Mark Ernest, Acting Deputy Electoral Commissioner, Australian Electoral Commission........................................................................................................................................................3 DACEY, Mr Paul, Assistant Commissioner, Elections and Enrolment, Australian Electoral Commission........................................................................................................................................................3 LONGLAND, Mr Robert Lance, Australian Electoral Officer, Queensland, Australian Electoral Commission........................................................................................................................................................3 MADDEN, Ms Bronwyn Anne, Divisional Returning Officer, Hinkler, Australian Electoral Commission........................................................................................................................................................3 MUFFET, Dr David, Australian Electoral Officer, Victoria, Australian Electoral Commission..............3 SHIELDS, Mr Gregory John, Divisional Clerk, Fisher, Australian Electoral Commission......................3 Wednesday, 15 November 2000 JOINT EM 1 Committee met at 9.32 a.m. CHAIR—I declare open the hearing of the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters inquiring into the integrity of the electoral roll. This is the first public hearing of that inquiry. The integrity of the Commonwealth electoral roll is vital to the conduct of free and fair elections. It is therefore essential that the integrity of the roll is not compromised and that all Australians have confidence in the accuracy of the roll. The committee’s current inquiry is designed to do that. The inquiry is not designed to probe the internal matters of Australian political parties. They are matters beyond the terms of reference, except insofar as they impact on the integrity of the electoral roll. Today we are hearing from the Australian Electoral Commission. The commission is a vital contributor to this inquiry. It has drawn attention to a number of cases of enrolment fraud, pointed out the strengths of the existing electoral roll procedures, and identified some areas of change to improve the prevention and detection of enrolment fraud and preserve the integrity of the roll. Given the AEC’s responsibilities in ensuring the accuracy of the roll, this hearing will be critically important. It may well be necessary to call the AEC on more than one occasion, and the committee is quite open to that prospect: this may well be the first of perhaps two, or even three, hearings with the AEC because of the critical role that the AEC will play in the conduct of our inquiry. We have a significant number of issues to address today, so I will proceed immediately to swearing in the witnesses. Mr DANBY—Before you do that, I draw your attention to the fact that Senator Faulkner, unfortunately, has been delayed because of a mechanical fault of a plane—no fault of his—and because of the situation at Sydney airport. He has asked me to ask you and the committee if you would delay the beginning of these hearings until a few minutes after 10 o’clock. His plane arrives then and that would enable him to fully participate in this hearing, which he has the full intention of doing. He apologises to the committee that, through no fault of own, he is not here. CHAIR—We have a quorum: we have members of the government, the opposition and the Australian Democrats. The beginning of the hearing is the opening statement of Andy Becker from the AEC and that will be in written form, so it will be distributed to him. Half an hour out of a day’s hearing that is going to last until 3 o’clock is not a dramatic period of time. I think if it was three or four hours, then maybe you might have a case, but there are eight out of 10 members of the committee here, they are all here on time, and I think it would be a bit inappropriate for us to delay for one member of the inquiry, albeit an important member, but each person on the committee is equally important. If members of the committee agree to it or like the idea, we could sit into the lunch period that we are going to have from 12.30 p.m. to 1.30 p.m. We could sit until 1 o’clock, if people think that is reasonable, to make up that half an hour, so that Senator Faulkner does not feel too disadvantaged, but I am not of a mind to delay the inquiry for half an hour for Senator Faulkner. Mr DANBY—I do not think Senator Faulkner feels disadvantaged, except that he is not here. CHAIR—If he is not disadvantaged, then he would not be worried about not being here. Mr DANBY—I am sure he would not mind, nor do I mind, nor I am sure would other members of the committee mind sitting through the lunch hour, but a half hour delay seems to ELECTORAL MATTERS EM 2 JOINT Wednesday, 15 November 2000 me to be a reasonable thing when the opposition is represented by only one person. I am quite happy to represent them, but I think— CHAIR—I think you will do a sterling job, Mr Danby. Mr DANBY—I am sure I will with your impartial chairing, but we need to be fully represented at this. We intended to be, but unfortunately for half an hour we cannot be. If the committee wants to be seen to be giving an impartial look at the AEC’s submission and other issues, it would really help me and the opposition if you were able to delay it until Senator Faulkner came. CHAIR—Are there any other views on that matter? I am not of a mind to do that. Senator FERRIS—Could we perhaps see how long the opening statement takes from Mr Becker and then reconsider it after that, given that that will be material that will already have been published for Senator Faulkner’s benefit. CHAIR—That is not a bad idea. Senator Faulkner can look at the opening statement quite independently anyway. Mr DANBY—You are not suggesting, Senator Ferris, that Mr Becker will filibuster for an extra 10 minutes. Senator FERRIS—I am certainly not suggesting that, Chair. I am just trying to find a way through the impasse. CHAIR—I suggest that we swear in the witnesses, hear from Mr Becker and look at it again at that point. ELECTORAL MATTERS Wednesday, 15 November 2000 JOINT EM 3 [9.40 a.m.] BECKER, Mr Andrew Kingsley, Electoral Commissioner, Chief Executive Officer, Australian Electoral Commission BROWN, Mr Stephen Lance, Divisional Returning Officer, Herbert, Australian Electoral Commission CUNLIFFE, Mr Mark Ernest, Acting Deputy Electoral Commissioner, Australian Electoral Commission DACEY, Mr Paul, Assistant Commissioner, Elections and Enrolment, Australian Electoral Commission LONGLAND, Mr Robert Lance, Australian Electoral Officer, Queensland, Australian Electoral Commission MADDEN, Ms Bronwyn Anne, Divisional Returning Officer, Hinkler, Australian Electoral Commission MUFFET, Dr David, Australian Electoral Officer, Victoria, Australian Electoral Commission SHIELDS, Mr Gregory John, Divisional Clerk, Fisher, Australian Electoral Commission CHAIR—I welcome the Australian Electoral Commission to today’s public hearing. At the outset, I would like to state that this inquiry is about the integrity of the electoral roll. This is not an inquiry into the internal matters of any political party, except insofar as they impact on the electoral roll. In answering questions, witnesses should keep that fact uppermost in their minds and not be distracted on issues that are not the domain of the committee’s inquiry. The evidence that is given at the public hearing today is considered to be part of the proceedings of parliament. Accordingly, I advise that any attempt to mislead the committee is a very serious matter and could amount to a contempt of the parliament. The committee has received submission No. 26 from the AEC,