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[Third Series, Vol. XXV-Seventh Session, 1964]
[No. 6.-Monday, February 17. 1964/Magha 2.8,1885 (Saka)]
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Oral Answers to Questions- *Starred Questions Nos. 121 to 129 957-95 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 130 to 149 . 995-1011 'Unstarred Questions Nos. 2.35 to 290 1012-50
. Arrest of Member . 10 50 -51 Statement re: theft of sacred relic from Hazratbal- Shri Nanda Papers laid on the Table . Motion on address by the Vice-President discharging the functions· of the President. 1053-Il92 Shrimati Renu Chakravartty J053--68 Shri R. G. Dubey 1068-76 Shri Brahm Prakash 1076-82. Dr. Ram Manohar Lohia 10S2--IIOO Shri Rishang Keishing 1100--05 Shri T. Subramanyam II05-IO Dr. L. M. Singhvi . IIIO-IS Shrimati Jyotsna Chanda. 1II8-2.r Shri Maniyangadan II2. 1-26 Shri N. C. Chatterjee 1I2.7-33 Shri Samnani . II33-57 Shri P. R. Patel II57--6I Dr. B. N. Singh II61--6g Shri Badrudduja II 69-S I Shri N. R. Gosh II 8 1-92. Correction to statement 1192
"The sign +marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. LOK SABHA DEBATES = 957 958 LOK SABHA loot~d a cloth shop in village KANGRI When intercepted by our border pat- Monday, February 17. 1964/Magha 28, rol, the raiders recrossed the cease- 1885 (Saka) fire Ene, throwing away 13 bundles of stolen cloth.
I C I The border police patrol main- The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of tain vigiiant guard to prevent Or foil the Clock. such raids.
[MR. SPEAKER in the Chair J -it f~ ~ : it,,~;;wr;n ~ ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS t fir. ;;it ~ qIF"'~IF~41 ~ ¥ iRllft Raid by Pakistanis on J. & K. Border ~m Shri RaDga: May 1 know, when we Speaker: In this incident, have make these complaints to the U.N. Mr. they moved? observers, what is the procedure? Do they go to the spot and then make Shri Hem Barua: During the last a study and then ascertain whether fortnight, and it has been reported our complaint is correct or not, and to the Government of India. may 1 know whether they would make any report' to us as well as to the Mr. Speaker: Here, we are concern- United Nations; and, if so, what is the ed with this particular incursion. report or what is the judgment that they have reached in regard to this Shri Hem Barua: This particular particular incident? ~ incident is connected with that. They have drawn courage from that. Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: Usually, when a report of any incident is Shri La) Bahadur Shastri: I do not made, when any incident takes place, think this incident is connected with the observers of the U.N. or whoever that at all, but from what the hon. it is, go to the spot and they make Member has said, if he had some an investigation and they say who other area in mind .... has violated this cease-fire agreement. The military observers have not given Shrl Hem Barua: No; my report their decision in this particular case. is .... Their decision is awaited. ·Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Shri Ranga: May 1 know whether Government will be willing to place Shri Lal Bahadur Shastri: I might on the Table of the HOUSe some make it clear. All kinds of reports time .... appear in the press, but we have to remain vigilant; and our forces are Mr. Speaker: No report has yet there and we keep a guard and watch. been given. Shri Abdul Ghani GoBi: These inci- Shri Ranga: .... about the report dents, whether major or minor, are a that the U.N. observers have made regular series of incidents indulged in regard to the earlier incursions in by the Pakistan Government to that Pakistan has made? In regard disturb the areas, particularly the to the past, We have got no report at border areas, to keep that isSUe alive. all. So, may 1 know what steps are being taken by the Government to reinforce Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: If the the border forces and border police? hon. Member wants a statement on Sbrimati Lakshmi Menon: I have all these cease-fire violations, then we already answered that. Vigilance is might consider placing it on the Table increased. .of the House. Shri S. N. Chata.rvedi: May I know Mr. Speaker: That is all right. Shri what advantage we derive from the Hem Barua. decision of the UN observers in our !avour and whether it entities us to Shrl Hem Barua: May I know if it any sort of compensation for the vio- is a fact that during the last fort- lation of our territory? night Pakistan has moved her troops to the cease-fire line in Jammu and Shrimati Lakshmi MenOD: &J far as Kashmir State and, if so, may I know I am aware, they just say that viola- what steps the Governm.ent have tion has occurred and nothing __ Oral Answers FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Oral Answers 964 Mr. Speaker: Only • record i8 kept. ~~~~t~ro SecoJUI Wage Board lor 'I'exWe SlIfClfilllf<'f ~ IIi1 ~ ~ lBdustry miii~~i TtJtt I ~mit + ;;rJ;f ;mit t ~ 1ft ~ ~ Shri Yashpal Sineb: it~~~1 . Sbri Nath Pai: Sbri Bhagwat Jba Aad: Shri Warior: I cannot follow. fShri P. C. BorOoab: Shri Sarjoo Pandey: Mr. Speaker: There are still some i IDdrajtt Gupta: 15 left. There is a committee that .is *Ul.1SilrShrimati savitri Nigam: making an enquiry into them. Action Shri in~n Bhattacharya: will be taken after that report is Dr. U. Misra: received. Dr. Kanen Sea: ..- Shri Umanath: " ~ • Shri HimatsiDgka: '1 tmm'f ~ :Ofl\Tm ~ q'ti ;;it ifiIT ~ ~ 'IIft'{o ~o ~ : f.;m ~ (a) whether a S&ond Wage Board lor Textile Industry is proposed to ~~~'I 1~l tr~ be set up; and ~ ~ afIj ~ ~ ; rr~ I '1lft ~ (b) if so, the composition and the ~ fo:R:e l1~~"'I'l '1I ~ gi ~ I terms of reference of the Board? Shri IDdrajit Gupta: In view of the The Deputy Minister of Labour ad fact that this is going to be the second Employment (Shri R. K. Malviya) : board and therefore, it will not be (a) Yes. necessary to duplicate much of the collection of statistics and data which (b) The composition .and terms of the first board had done, is the reference of the proposed Wage Board Government thinking of framing the are being finalized. tenns of reference and to fix some sort of time-limit this time so that the '11ft ~ ~ : 8hrimati Lakshmi MenOll: We do Secretary with Shri Phizo he might not know whether Shri Phizo has have agreed to talk with the Naga- declined the offer of safe conduct or land Administration. not, because this was a request from the Nagaland Government, as I have Dr. L. M. Singhvi: It is not a ques- pointed out in my answer, to the tion of "might have agreed"; it is a Government of India. We have seen question of facts. Does the Govern- reports in the newspapers that he has ment claim or does it not know that not agreed to keep to his original a Parliamentary Secretary actually proposal of coming to Nagaland and talked with Phizo? Where is the discussing with the Nagaland Govern- question of "might have agreed"? We ment. But as far as we are aware would like to know specifically whe- no such proposal or confirmation has ther this was agreed to with him. been received from Shri Phizo, as to whether he has abandoned his idea of The Prime Minister and Minister coming to N agaland. of External Mairs and Minister of Atomic E.ergy (Shri JawaharIal Nehm): Sir, ...... 8hri Nath Pal: Is it a fact that, in order to demonstrate to India and to the world how in spite of the fact Mr. Speaker: If the Prime Minister that we have introduced a popular so desires he can sit and reply. regime there it is Phizo's writ that runs in the Nagaland, Phizo's allies 8hri Jawaharlal Nehm: It does not in Nagaland have stepped up their make any difference. hostile activity and of late this is causing a great embarrassment to us? Mr Speaker: It is the desire of the House that I should request him to 8hrimati Lakshmi Menon: It does sit and answer. not mean any such thing. The Naga- land Administration feels that it will 8hri JawaharIal Nehm: I am very be able to maintain law and order grateful to you, Sir. When I feel better it it can come to an agree- like it I shall do that ment with Phizo who has been help- ing the hostiles against the Govern- U!,;n1{ ~ : ~T 'l " rT ~~ ment. Since Phizo himself has expres- "l'l" sed a desire to come to Nagaland and iFf imr l1A" ~f ~ 1 talk with the Nagaland Administra- tion with a view to maintaining law Shri JawaharIal Nehm: I do not and order this was agreed to by the know what the exact conversation Nagaland Administration. But that was, but it is quite possible that the does not mean that Phizo runs the Parliamentary Secretary might have Nagaland Administration. suggested to him this question of discussing it with the Nagaland Gov- Dr. L. M. 8inghvi: May I know ernment. whether the request made by Phizo is in consequence of the discussions Shri Bari Vishnu Kamath: May I held with him by one of the Parlia- remind the Prime Minister of the mentary Secretaries to the Prime statement he made in the last session, Minister, and whether t"'"t acceptance either in answer to a question or bas been reversed now In account of during a half-hour discussion, to the any intervening circumstances later effect that Shri Phizo is receiving, On? either overtly or covertly, arms from Pakistan, if not from China as well; Shrimatl Lakshmi Menon: It may and, if that be so, is it the policy of be quite possible that as a result of the Government to give all sorts of t ~ discussions of the Parliamentary facilities to one who is in league with Oral Answers MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Oral Answers one or both of our present enemies ~~ ~~q~ and so is a near traitor to our country? ~~~I~~~~~~I The Minister Without Portfolio (Shri Lal Bahadur Shastri): In so far as some of the N agas are concerned it Shri Swell: The Minister of State is true that they have been trying to for External Affairs has just now get help from Pakistan in arms and stated that on the request of the ChiE!f perhaps in training also. But in so Minister of Nagaland the Government far as Shri Phizo is concerned, as the of India had agreed to give safe con- House knows, he is now outside India duct guarantee to Mr. Phizo if he and in spite of his past activities the decides to come and have a talk with Government of India felt that if he him. May I know from the Prime wanted to come over to N agaland Minister whether the Government and have a talk with the representa- leaves the field free to the Chief tives of the present Government there Minister of Nagaland and Mr. Phizo? the Government of India might not Do they not want to impose any come in the way because we want conditions whatsoever in the interests peace in Nagaland. The main point of peace in that area? is that Mr. Phizo has to come here and talk in the present context of things where no constitutional change Smi Jawaharlal Nehru: It is not is possible. We have made a special quite clear as to what the hon. Mem- case about Nagaland. It has been ber desires to know. We do not want given full autonomy, it is a full State to impose any condition which has and the people of that area have got not been imposed by the Nagaland the fullest opportunity to participate Government themselves. The Naga- in the governance of that area. In land Government and the Govern- this context if Mr. Phizo wants to ment of India are entirely at one in come and meet the Chief Minister this matter. Mr. Phizo was told that and others, the Government of India he could come here at the request of will allow him to do so. If Mr. Phizo the Nagaland Government and on the desires not to come here, well, he conditions laid down by the Nagaland may gladly do as he likes. It is for Government. him to decide whether he wants to come here or not. Shri J. D. S. Dis!: May I know how long this period of offer to visit Naga- '" ~ ~ : f1ro fu;'lIT ~ land will last? ~ ~ ';i~ ~ little longer time. Re&arding the -it .... ,({< .... ii m Parliamentary Secretary going and. ~~,~m~it~~ leeing Mr. Phizo, I did not ask him "I ~~'ti , ~~; r t~ I to see Mr. Phizo. He went there and saw him, and I think he did so right17. Sbri Nath Pal: An impression is gathering that it is the Government Shri Bari VIBhD. Kamath: But you of India's own conviction that no had no o ~! final and ultimate pacification of Nagaland is possible without a settle- Shri Jawabarlal Nehra: We had ment with Mr. Phizo. How far is this no objection; (!ertainly not. The reply impression correct? If this impres- that was sent by the Chief Minister sion is correct, may I know why Gov- of Nagaland was sent without our ernment is making use of the subter- original knowledge of it. But we had fuge of negotiating talks through the it later. Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister and alternately taking shel- Shri SureDdraaath Dwivedy: May ter behind the facade of' the State know whether the Government of Government to help them when it is India know what are the questions they who want the talks? which Mr. Phizo wants to discua. with the Nagaland Government? Ia Shri Jawaharlal Nehru it just relating to the maintenance of law and order, as the hon. MiIWI- Shri Tyagi: Please reply sittine:. ter has said just a few minutes back? After all, Sir, we do not want to strain Shri Jawabarlal Nehra: We do not him. know what Mr. Phizo has in mind. Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: It is good Shri S. N. Chaturvedi: May I know for me. if any conditions were imposed, while granting the safe conduct, on the Shri Hari VishDu Kamath: We have movements of Mr. Phibo when he requested him once. The Speaker has came to India to prevent him from also requested him. Wha. more can inciting further mischief here? we do? We cannot force him. Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: He is Mr. Speaker: I would again request coming with the definite purpose of him not to strain himself because I having talks with the Nagaland have been asked not only by the administration and the only condition Members of the House but by out- imposed is that the talks should be siders also to request him not to strain within the existing constitutional himself by standing. arrangements. Shri Tyagi: Has he forgotten res- New Transmitter for A.I.R.. pecting the wishes of the House? + Shri Jawaharlal ~e r The hon. Shri Maheswar Naik: Member's Delief, or insinuation if I Shri Bibhuti Mishra: may use that word, is quite incorrect Shri Yashpal Singh: that the Government of India thinks Shri D. C. Sharma: that nothing can be done finally in !Shri P. C. BoroOah: Nagaland without the help of Mr. Shri Sidheshwar Prasad: Phizo. It is quite incorrect. But the *124'1 Shri S. N. Chaturvedi: Government of India still thinks that Shri Mohan Swarup: many things may be done which may Shri Hem Barna: expedite complete peace and order in Shri M. L. Dwivedi: Nagaland. Otherwise, it will take a LShrimatl Savitri Nlpm: Oral Auwt!'l's '973 Ora! Answers MAGHA 28, 1885 tSAKA) 974 8bri Kachhavaiya: Sbri Bbagwat Jha Aad.: Iolay I Sbri S. C. 8amanta: know by what time we should expect 8bri Tridib Kumar that it will be possible for the Gov- ChaDdhari: ernment of Jndia to have .uch equip- 8bri C. K. Bbattacbaryya: ment from outside? 8bri KaPPeJI: 8bri E. Madbllll\1Ua Rao: 8br! Bari VIshaa ltamath: Sbri Sham Nath: We have received these ofters. We have sent them to Will the Minister of InformatiOll aiU'l the Department of Supply for proces- BroadcastiDg be pleased to state: sing. As regards Czechoslovakia, they have two transmitters of 400 kwts. (a) whether the All India Radio g each which are available against ready going to be equipped With a new delivery. In four or five months' transmitter powerful enough to time we should be able to get them ~ nter the Chinese propaganda in case the Department of Supply offensive; accepts- that offer immediately. (b) the estimated cost of the trans- mitter; and (c) whether the foreign exchange "" ~ mrt1': ~wf '!it involved has been arranged? 1I\j'r.jq"'II4""iflr,a"'j 'Ii\' ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~omr'lft~~fir The Depaty Minister in the Minis· try of Information alId Broadea.stiD&" ~~~ii~~m lrnf (8bri Sham Nath): (a) e~e r rn ~ 4't; ~1q f"'4 iF m'f ~ iIT<:r'ifur action is being taken to procure a transmitter of sufficiently high power m f~m f'if<'r~t,~~~ to counteract Chinese propaganda. ~ "ITii ? (b) The total cost of the project i. estimated at Rs. 1 Crore. ~~ ;:{;;it ("" m ~ (c) Ministry of Finance have agreed ~ l ~ omr '!it iFTfmr '" ~ fif'1 : it ~ ;;rr;r.rr ~ q) 1'~~~ : efto mo t!;0 ~ ~f~f;;m~ ~om itl{o ~o ~~~iI ;;it T m~ t!;o ~ ~ mr gilT 'IT m ~ ~ ~ ~ ;;it 'Iffi:O ~ ~ ~, om Ifl'fit;lrr ~ f;;m ~ ~ om it iIl'CI'ifuI' ~ ~ ~ ~ it ~ fifi iRIT ~ fir ;r.r ~T~,; r r <{t.rr ~ it ~ ~rnit~if'll"'"~ fTm~ if\lCI'R ~ I ;;it ~ ~ 0 ~o t!; 0 ifiroII" ~ ¥T ? tcrr 'IT, elm ~ ~ ~ fw ~ f1r.r ~ ~ ,"~~~ ~mr ft Shri Indrajit Gupta: May I knoW" mr r~, ~ ~ IfiW ~ the main languages for which this ~1~m~~~rn~1 transmitter will have to be used to counteract Chinese propaganda. Even ~ ~ '1 000 fofl<.;fl'llt;,<:t 'fiT ~, m before the transmitter is installed, w~lit~~m 'il'ilTil'~~ may I know whether Government ~ ;m r~i IT~f t;~ have taken any steps to see that there· will be no lag in training up ade- ~ ~~, ~ 0;00 fiMi't- quate staff to broadcast in the nees- ~ .....,. m ~ '1000 PI"OI''II(tI sary languages to those countries? 21M ~ IIiIf ~ I Shri Satya NaraYaD Sinha: Certain- ly, those steps must be taken before· we start .... Shri IDder :I. Malhotra: Apart from the controversy which arose over the Shri Nath Pal: Are they being. VOA deal, which was one of the fac- taken? tors, may know what the other fac- tors were which wel'e responsible for the delay in getting the trarumitter? Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member wants to know whether we are training Shri Satya NaraYaD Sillha: What people just now in order to be able happened with regard to the VOA deal to broadcast in those languages as aoon ill quite obvious. But foreign exchange as the transmitter is installed. was not available then. We have since persuaded the Finance Ministry and ultimately they have agreed that it Shri IDdrajit Gupta: May I alsoo must be given a very high priority, know the languages in which the and, ~erefore, this matter is being broadcasts will be made? processed now. Shri Satya NaraYBII Sinha: I cannot Shrimatl Savitri Nigam: After th'il tell you the languages ot!hand just supply of these two small transmittprB, now. what percentage of our requireme"ts will be covered? Shrlmatl Benu ChakravarttT: Is Bengali one of them? Shri !!atya NaraYaD Sinha: I have made it clear that we are trying to have a 1000 k.w. transmitter, but our Shri SatYa NaraYBII Sinha: I do no. purpose will be served even if we get know about Bengali, but I think HindI these two and blend them together must bl! there, but I shall try to tlncI ., 800 k.w. out. 977 Oral Answers MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Oral AnswE!1'B Shri Indrajlt Gupta: The people in Will the Minister of Delence be the other countries do not speak Ben- pleased to refer to the reply given to gali or Hindi. The hon. Minister Starred Question No. 25 on the 18th should tell us the languages for which November, 1963 and state the transmitter will be used. (a) whether the investigation in res_ pect of allegations of corruption Shri Satya Narayan Sinha: T'ne against certain officers engaged in transmitter is meant for external Tusker Prjoect (now Vartak) at Dib- broadcasting, and naturally the broad- rugarh Assam, has since been com- casts will be in the languages of those pleted;' and countries in South-East Asia and African countries etc. We must train (b) if so, the result thereof? people to broadcast in those languages. The Deputy MiDlster in the MIDis- Otherwise, there is no meaning in try 01 Defence (Shri D. R. Chavan): broadcasting in Bengali and Hindi which the people in those countries (a) The investigation in respect of will not understand. allegations of corruption in Tusker Project (now Vartak) at Dibrugarh ~ Shri Nath Pal: It is quite obvious still in progress. and it stands to commonsense that the broadcasts will have to be in the (b) Does not arise. languages of those countries. We want to know what the languages are. ~ qq"T\'f ~ : ;;it ~ ftr:k IIi1miI1 'R il;f\" vff m ~ 'R ~1 iI;f\" Dr. Sarojinl MahlshI: May I know 'liT ~ ~ 'fT, '3"f the efforts that are being made to get vff m m iIii?: 1ft it a 1000 k.w. transmitter? ;;it ~ ~ it, ~ flr.rrq; !tin ~ f<;m ~, ~ '3"f it ~ ~ Shri Satya NaraYaB Sinha: Certain- t ly, as I have said, we are making m~m~ eftorts; otherwise, the 800 k.w. trans- mitter is already available. The Minister 01 Defence (Shri Y. ~ Chavan): The inquiry into the alle- gations about the Dibrugarh project '" ~ smR" : ~mor~~ relate to certain other matters, and ;;rtf o;ft;r i!IT ~ ~ vfi m CfTlIlr .qTli not to tlhe point that the hon. Member ~it;~~rrr'lT I it is referring to. ;;n;r;n" ~~ ~ f.I; q;r ;;it ~ '"~~ ~~it; m (tr) n'l rofit~ ~ 'fW-':('i ""~~ fi r~ ~ it; f.OOar ~ ~ 1rttft ~it;fi ro ~it"l"T~~ t; ~ fipn t oro ~ q;f 0'Ii ~ ~ ~ ~ifwit~1!;~~~~ (I{) 1I ~, .,T ~ it ~ 'lIfT 'lit ftvmr it t fit; vr f.Ar;if ,.;r ~ ~ ~r ~ ? ~ ~ it; ~ ~ it "I1ittrT ? Shri Raghuramaiah: This is a com- plicated project in the sense that not The Minister of Defence ProductioD only the airframe and the engine in the Ministry of Defence (Shrl manufacture are involved but also the' Raghuramaiah): (a) and (b). Having missile part of it. One of the project regard to the size of the Proj ect and reports is still due to come. So it the technical problems involved, satis- would b" very difficult to anticipate factory progress has heeq made in ,any particular date by which it will setting up manufacturing tacilities for be possible to have the whole com- MIG aircraft in India. plex ready. (c) No, Sir. Shri Rella: At one stage, we were (d) Does not arise. told that this would be manufactured at two places,' Koraput and Nasik. [(,.;) ~ ('I'). ~ it; Now we understand that more places are also taken up for manufacture. 'lfiI'i1~~~~~~Tlti't What are the various places and what Illiif if ~ff ~, 'I[rof if fipr f.Ar;if it; are the various parts to be manufac- tured there? fi:ro: ~ ~m' "T it; ~ m- if, '11'61"1"1".... WTfu ~ ~ Shri Raghuramaiah: Actually. one more place has been selected, and that (tf) ;;;ft ~~ I is Hyderabad for the electronic parts of the guided' missile. Koraput is fOf (oer) ~ ~r I ] '1il' manufacturing the engine and Nasik for the airframe. "" ~ ~ : 1"~~ f.Ar;if 'lit m r~ lti't ~ it wit I might mention for the information of the House that it is not unusual in ~~it;~fif;m"~~, ;r aircraft manufacture that engines ·are ~~~~T~ I'FI1 it;~~ manufactured at one place and air- frame at another. 'Iit~~~~it;f f'imT wft;r t ? "" n r~ <'IT"';lUff it "fTiI"IT ~ It f~ SI1I1I' fipr ~ ~ ;t; r..;t ~ ~;; " ~1ff ;rt Shri Raghuramaiah: Civil works in f.!;a;ff it if>1lr ~ ~ 'I'l (a) whether U.S. Government has, Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: The point Gee Mr. Taylor's visit, consulted the is this. I want to know whether the Shri Bhagwat .Jha Azad: May I Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: Our re- know whether Government's attention action. are very well known, because has been drawn to a news item in the they have been discussed in Parlia- Indian Express some time back that ment and outside. Beyond that, I do the U.S.S.R. Government i. contem- not knoW) of anything done. plating to send its fleet armed with nuclear weapons to keep track of the Shri Harl Vishnu Kamath: Is It a Seventh Fleet in the Indian Ocean and fact that the Defence Minister said if so what is the reaction of the some time ago that the Chinese navy o ~rnment in this regard and how has got submarine$ or other sea-craft far will it extend the cold-war area? which are capable of operating on the Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: We have Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean and if so what measures have been &een it reported. Oll ~re e~ taken by Government to Shri Bhagwat .Jha ADd: We want patrol the Bay of Bengal and the 10 know what is the reaction of the Indian Ocean against such possible in- -Government: whether they have asked eursions? 01'41 Answers FEBRUARY 17, 1964 O1'al Answers 988 Ak. Speaker: Let us patrol the Shri Tyaci: May I take it that this Indian Ocean first! 7th Fleet which is going to operate in the Indian Ocean shall not be enter- Sbri Barl VIIIhma Kamatb: We ing our territorial waters? Is that cannot patrol; have we taken any so? measures? Weare protesting against the action of the USSR Government Mr. Speaker: That is exactly what or the US Government. Have we got he said. Shri Indrajit Gupta. anything at all with us, because the Shri IIldrajit Gupta: In view of" Defence Minister said they are hav- India's declared policy of not per- ing submarines now. He said so. mitting any foreign military base Have they got any sea-craft to patrol anywhere on our soil, has the Gov- the seas against the Chinese sub- ernment considered whether the pre- marines? sence of a foreign naval fleet withill easy range of our shores, whether- ~ Speaker: We are cOming to equipped with nuclear weapons or tkat. There is another question tha t not, also amounts, in modern condi- relates to submarines also. tions of warfare, to military bases afloat within the range of our coun- try, and, if so, what is the Govern- Shri Bari Vishnu Kamath: But ment's view on this matter ,and have that may not be reached at all. In they expressed it to the US Govern- your kindness to the House, you may ment? please pennit this to be answered. Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I do not Mr. Speaker: There must be suffi- think that they amount to any mili- cient justification for it. tary bases floating about. Shri KaPUr Singh: May know Shri Hati Vishnu Kamath: It is in whether the Historical Division of" the public interest; it is very im- the External Affairs Ministry have portant, in the context of the Defence advised the Government that in the of Indian Act and Rules, and the first decade of the 15th century, Chlng security of the country. Ho, a Chinese royal eunuch, had Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Shri established complete mastery over" Swell. the Indian Ocean, exacting tributes from India, due to a sovereign, and, Shri Swell: Has the attention of if so, whether the Government have the Government been drawn to the examined the question of the US 7th statement of the Prime Minister of Fleet in the context of the recent visi- Ceylon to the effect that Ceylon tations of Chinese submarines to our would not allow any vessel armed waters? with nuclear weapons to enter the Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I do not Ceylonese territorial waters and that think the hon. Member expects a Ceylon will be taking the initiative reply to that. to see that no such vessel will enter the territorial waters of non-aligned Shri Kapur Singh: I have not been nations? And may I know whether able to catch the answer. the Government of India would be joining in this move by Ceylon? Mr. Speaker: No answer can be given to this question, SIui J'awaharlal Nehru: I do not know about joining in the move, but Shri Nath Pai: In view of the fact there is no question of any such that if India had a worthwhile fleet foreign ship entering into our terri- to guard the Indian Ocean, no foreign torial waters. If it does we shall fleet would have been tempted or in- certainly object. duced to go" there, may I know when, Ora! Answers MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Ora! Answers 990 we may expect to have even the Shri Bibhuti MJshra: semblance of such a fleet to guard Shri Harl VishDu Kamath: our oceans? Shrl Harlsh Chandra Mr. Speaker: That is a different Mathur: thing altogether. Shrimati Savitri Nigam: Shri D. D. Purl: 'lT ~ Alit : iflU "Itmf ~ it Shori P. R. Chakraverti: 0128. Shri S. C. Samanta: ~ ~~ it; ~ r qHr it; m. ~ Shri M. L. Dwivedi: iIlri. ~ ~ titf~ ~ Shri Sarloo Pandey: Shri lndrajit Gupta: Ifi<: ~ q ~ ~ f.!; it ~ ~ flr.r f'filtT Shri Hem Barua: f;r-r Ifi<: lJ.o ~o ~o it; qm ~ f.rit!f ~ Shri Yashpal Singh: l!~ f.!;:;;:("iIiT ~ ~ ~ ~ Shri 1. B. S. Bist: Shri Umanath: if~m~ Shri P. C. Borooah: lItT \1Iq'i!<""<'1 ~ : ;;;jT flt;l:n ~ , Shri Nath Pal· Shri Kajrolk";: Shri s. N. Chaturvedi: Is it the Shri Shashi Raa,jan: intention of the Government to con- Shri Hem Raj: vey its pleasure or displeasure on Shri Anjanappa: the visit of any foreign fleet that Shri Rameshwar Tantla: enters the Indian Ocean even though l Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: it keeps beyond our territorial waters? Will the Prime Minister be pleas- The Minister without Portfolio (Shri ed to state: Lal Bahadur Shastri): I may read (a) the progress made in conven- out a few sentences of the Prime ing the Conference of non-aligned Minister's statement which he made nations; earlier to clear up the position: '"I'he o e~n outside the terri- (b) the countries which Me going torial waters of India is open to the to be invited; and naval vessels of the United States (c) whether any precise agenda as to the naval vessels of any other has been circulated? country. It w&uld be quite wrong to suggest that a cruise by a few The Deputy MiDister in the Min- naval ships in the Indian Ocean istry of External AJrairs (Shri Dinesh either threatens our freedom or im- SIngh): (a) to (c). Government of perils out policy of non-alignment. India have welcomed the joint com- To prevent misgivings, however, I munique by President Nasser and would like to take this occasion to Prime Minister Mrs. Bandaranaike state emphatically that while we made on October 13, 1963 in which are glad to take assistance from they had agreed that another Con- friendly countries in our defence ference of Non-aligned countries build-up, there is no question of should be held. Correspondence has any foreign ships or foreign air- taken place between the Prime Min- craft participating in the actual de- ister and the Heads of some concern- fence of the country. This defence ed countr.ies regarding various as- will be effected only by the Indian pects of the proposed Conference. armed forces and the people of this The suggestions and proposals made eountry." in the correspondenCe are not vet final and are being considered by all Conference of Noa-Alipe4 Conntries concerned. It is understood that no + decision has so tsr been taken Shri Bh&gwat .Jha ADd· regarding the countries to be invited Shri Shree Narayan • to the Conference or its Dl"e'"..:,.e f 0118: agenda. 2080 (ai)LSD-2. Ora.! Answers FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Oral Answers 99Z Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: May 1 effect that there is much resentment know whether in these private con- in Ceylon over the fact that India sultations any tentative time has been sent an emissary, in fact the hon. fixed for calling such a conference'? Minister himself, to meet only PrcEl- dent Nasser in connection with the Shri Dinesh Singh: No, Sir. preparations for this conference and Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: May not also to meet. Mrs. Bandaranaike know whether in the absence of any who is a co-sponsor of the conference;' other details, it has been decided as if so, may I know what is the Gov- to in which place the conference will ernment's reaction? be held? ShriDinesh SiDgh: The Govern- Shri DiDesh Siq'h: No, Sir. The ment of Ceylon do not associate them- place and time have not been fixed. selves with this press report that has· corne. They have made it clear that Shri P. R. Chakraverti: May it is not their point of view. I may. know how this proposed conference with your permission, Sir, make it will be different from the other con- clear that I did not go either to· ference which is likely to be sponsor- Cairo or Belgrade with the purpose ed on the Bandung model? specifically to discuss about this con- Shri Dinesh Siq'h: The Bandung ference. I had gone there on their conference is an Afro-Asian confer- invitation and when I was there this ence of the countries in th continents was one of the subjects I discussed of Africa and Asia. This is a con- with them. ference of non-aligned countries, countries which subscribe to the Shri Dari Vishnu Kamath: Is it a principle of non-alignment. fact that the Chinese Government is Shrimati Savitri Nigam: May trying to move heaven and earth, know the number and names of rather Asia and Africa, so as to be countries which are likely to partici- able to sneak into this conference; if pate in this conference? so, has the Government made it clear to all concerned that they will re- SIIri DiDeIh SiBch: No names have fuse to attend any conference and be been fixed. There is a general pro- at the same table where China is also posal that the countries which took represented? part in the Belgrade conference "ill decide whicll are the countries to be 81ui DiaeIIh SbIch: So far as this invited. conference is concerned, Prime Min- ister Chou En-Iai had made it quite 1ft IImIR ~ : ~~1I ~ clear in Cairo that China is an align- IIl't t !AR i1'.TiR: ~ snwr 'fmIT ~ t fit; ed country and therefore there is no Question Of their corning to this con- ~m'tiT~f rI;or~~ I ference. ~ ~ ~ jfit; ~ ij; SflPOR if;) ~mi ;f ro ~~;m~ '" '"' 8q Ilm' t~~ ~ .t ? 'f t; rl~~'tiT~~~ ~ it ~1 ~1! I' ~ ~~ ~ n~ftf ~~~t !AR 1[f'f it ~, <11fT ~ rnncrl ij; ;r ~ it; ~ ~ f.:ro: fit; ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ il~~ ~' {tR I Shri Jadl'aJii .GGp&a: Has Gov.erJl- ~~ ~li ~~ ~nt' attention .been drawll to a f t;~t~i ;~",,"~ despatch from the correspondent of the Sta.tesman in Colombo to the it~tT~ ~1 993 Oral Answers MAGHA 28, lA85 (SAKAl Oral Answers 994 Shri Bem Baraa: In view of the Will the Prime MiuJster be pleased fact that there are different varieties to state: of non-aUgnment-positive non- alignment and neutral non-alignment, (a) whether Government have had aligned non-alignment and non-align- under consideration a proposal to in- ed non-alignment and some pseucio- troduce certain political reforms in non-alignment also, may I know what NEFA; and are the varieties that are proposed (b l if so, the decision since 1 &. ken to be represented in this confer- in the matter? ence? The Parliamentary Secretary to the Shrl DUlesh SilJgh: As I mentioned Minister of Edemal Affairs (Shri earlier, there is a general feeling thr.t D. Eriq): (a) and (b). The streng- the countries which took part in the thening and the development of de- Belgrade Conference should attend mocratic institutions in NEFA is this conference and then they can continually under the consideration decide who others should be invited. of Government. Recently, certain proposals have been made in this "1'1 ~fif f1I'''1' : lt~;rr ~ connection which are still under ex- t flfi W ~m !nic'f fifillT ;;rr W ~ til; amination. ~~ ~if~f,;r~fit; Shri P. R. CbaIuaverti: In view of ~~" ~ ;;iT +1'1 '3~ ~ if ~ the closest affinity with the people of Nagaland, may I know whether th" ~ri Government wants to introduce the same measures as have been int~o 111'1 fMtr fttt!: "flfi cit t~ 'liT duced in Nagaland? ~ ~ 'WI" ~ fit; ~ ~ ~ ;r I Shri D. ErilIg: There is no propo- sal like that. Shri Swell: Has the Government's Sbri P. R. Chakraverti: May I know attention been drawn to the report whether any step has been taken to that the Prime Minister of China, assess the public opinion there Mr. Chou En-lai will be in Ceylon on through some elected represen tatives the 26th of this month and, in view of the people? of this and in view of the fact that there is a certain amount of resent- Shri D. ErIng: That is right. ment on the part of Ceylon, although Shri Rem Barna: In view of t!',e the Deputy Minister says that Ceylon fact that NEFA so long has been pro- Government does not associate itself gressively bureaucracy-ridden, may I with that resentment, may I know know whether there is any plan be- what steps Government would be fore the Government to constitute taking to repair any damage in our autonomous village councils in order relationship with Ceylon? to decentralise power? Shri Diaesh Siqh: There has teen Shri D. EriD&': Yes, Sir. no damage in this respect. Shri Swell: May I know If the PoUticlRl Ref_ hi NEFA Government's attentiOn has been drawn to the news item which ema- + nated from Delhi on 8th of January Shrl P. R Chakraverti: that the Prime Minister had agreed Shri P. C. o~ to appoint a high-powered committee JShri D D. Purl: to study the question of the admin- "I.. Shri IDdrajlt GlIP: istrative-reforms proposal made by Shrl 17maJudh: the Member of ·Parliament from I Shrl Swell: NEFA? May I ]mow why that com- l Dr. M. S. Aaey: mittee has not been appointed as yet? 995 Written Answers FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Written Answers 996 Shri LaJ. Bahadur Shastri: The who are members of ihe Employees Governor has been advised to set up Provident Fund and Coal Mines Pro- a committee of that type and I hope vident Fund; and he will do it soon. (ob) if so, its main features? Dr. M. S. hey: May I know whe- ther there had been any communIca- The Deputy Minister iu tbe Minis- tion from the Parliamentary Secre- try of Labour and EmploymeBt aud tary to the Minis.ter of External for Planning (Shrt C. R. Pattabbi Affairs about certain reforms to be Raman): (a) Yes. introduced in NEFA and, if so, what those reforms are? (Ib) On the analogy of the Family Pension Scheme for Central Govern- Shri La! Baha.dur Shastrl: The ment employees it is proposed to pro- Parliamentary Secretary has not made vide for. a minimum fanuly pensio!i of any specific suggestions. The general Rs. 25 per month to be paid to the matter was discussed and it was de- widowlminor children Of the members cided that to study the matter fur- of the two Funds who die prematu- ther it was necessary to set up a rely. committee. As I suggested just now, the Governor will be appointing a Military training for studruts committee soon. Shri B. P. Yadava: Sbri Dhaon: Shri Bishanchanller Seth: WRI'ITEN ANSWERS TO Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: QUESTIONS Shri Mohan Swamp: .1S1. Shri Sarendra Pal Siagh: Shri Kappen: Family pension scheme fOr workers Shri ShalJhi Ranjan: 8hri Vishwa Nath Pandey: Shri R. G. Dubey: Shri Birendra Bahadur Shri Maheswar Naik: Shri Yashpal Singh: Singh: Shri Warior: Shri Rem Raj: Shri P. K1lDhan: Will the Minister of Defence bt" Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: pleased to state: Shri Vishram Prasad: (a) the progress made under the Shri Shree Narayan Das: *130. Defence Ministry's !cheme for com- ShriSubodh Hansda: pulsory milltary training for all male Shri S. C. Samanta: college students; Shri ML L. Dwivedi: Shri S. N. Chaturvedi: (b) the number of students so far Shrim/lU Savitri N"lgam: enrolled and the number of students Sbri I. B. 8. Bist: proposed to be given military train- Shri S1I1'eIldn Pal Singh: ing during 1964-65: and 11 Shri p. C. Borooah: (c) the total outlay for the scneme Shri Ram lla>rkh Yadav: Shri Sarjoo Pandey: for the current financial year and how L much is shared by the Centre and States? Will the Minister of Labour ••d Employment be pleased to state: The Mia.ister of Dp.fence (Shri Y. B. Chavan): (a) to (c). A State- (a) whether Government are con- ment is laid On the Table of the House sidering a proposal to introduce the [Placed in Librl1T1/. See No. L'i'-2298/ scheme Of family pension for workers 64]. } 97 Written Answers MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Written Answers 998 Raid by Pakistanis on 1. & K. Border Sin"! 1. B. S. Bi.!Jt: (Kotmehra Village) I Shri P. C. Borooah: Shri D. C. Sharma: ~i D. C. Sharma: L fShri D. D. Pnri: Will the Minister of Defence be Shri P. R. Chakraverti: pleased to state: *132. ~ Shri Narasimha Reddy: I Shri Himmatsinbji: (a) whether Government propose to I Shri P. K. Ghosh: acquire submarines for the Navy; and LShri Sham La) Saraf: (b) if so, whe1.her any decisions have been arrived at and if so, the nature Will the Prime Minister bl! ples! Shri D'. C. SJam.: Shri Hem Raj: ' Slui IIarisb Chandra / 8ftri lndrajit Gupta: Mathv: Shri U. M. Trivedi: LShri S. N. Chaturvedi: Shri Tau. Siagh: Shri Kappeu: Will the Prime MiniB&er be pleased Shri Mohan Swarap: to state: Shri Koya: Shri Eswara Reddy: (a;) whether it is a fact that India Shri Gulshan: has received Soviet Government's note Shri Krishnapal Singh: containing proposals for an inter- Shri D. D. Maatri: national agreement renouncing the l Shrimati Savitri Nigam: use of force in settling border dis- putes; Will the Prime Minillter be please to state: (.1» if so, the reection of the Gov- ernment o.f India thereto; and (a) whether it is a fact that lndiaus in ~ n i r were attacked and their (c) whether Government's reactions property looted recently; Bnd have been communicated to Soviet Union? (b), if so, the details of the incident, and the extent of losses suffered by . The MIiBiIRer Of State in the Millis- Indians concerned? try of bternal Aftairs (Shrimati Lakshmi Me_): (a) Yes, Sir. The Deputy MiIlister ia the MiDis- try of bternal Affairs (Shri Dia.esh ,Singh): (a) and (b). A coup d'etat (b) The Government of India took place in Zanzibar on the 12th broadly agree with the approach made January, 1964, There was a general in the Soviet proposals. The Govern- break-down of law and order and ment of India maintains that no prob- cases of looting and -arson lem can. be solved by use of force and occurred. Persons of Indian arigin that all Governments should agree to were amongst tho!le who su1fered renounce the use of force fOr settling ca;sualties and loss of property. The territorial disputes and also undertake extent of such losses are not yet fully to withdraw to the territorial bounda- known. ries where these have been altered by force. Such an agreement could lead to reduction Of tensions a.nd assist in ChiDakari olli~r building international confidence, which is essential, if a treaty on gene- *1S7. Shri C. K. Bbattacharyya: ral and complete disarmament is to Will the Minister of Laboar H' be achieved. Employ_t be pleased to state: (a) whether it is n fact that on the (c) Yes, Sir. 12th January, 1964 a part of the mine II in Chinakuri Collirery caved in; mdialls In Zauibar (b) whether it is al80 a fact that ( Shri Hem Barua: two persons were killed thereby; and i ,Slari P. R. Chakraverti: (c) whether any enquiry ha;s been ,!lJri Maheswar Naik: made to find out the causes of tile Sbri P. C. BorGoah: accident and if so, the er~on res- Shri S. C. SamaDta: ponsi ble for this? Shri ADjanappa: Shri Ra.meshwar Tau.tia: The Depu.ty Mini*r in the Mia- SIlri Praka!lh Vir Shastri: istry of' LabolR' a... EmpleJDleat , : 'JG. Shri Nath Pai: (Shri It. 1[. !II&I'riy.): (,,) and (b). rOOI Written Answers MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Written Answers 1003 There was an accident on the 11th Shri Prakash Vir SlIastri: January, 1964 due to fall of roof in Shri p. C. BOroou: which two persons were killed and Shri Shree NaraY&Il Das: one seriously injured. Shri Bishanchaader Seth: Shri B. P. Yadava: (c) An enquiry was made. It was Shri Dhaon: found that a shorfirer, who was also '139. Shrimati Savitri Nigam: the mining sirdar and sustained seri- Shri D. D. Puri: ous injury himself, was responsible Shri P. R. Chakraverti: for the accident. Shri M. L. Dwivedi: Shri Z. B. S. Bist: Rocket Laullching at Thumha Shri D. D. Mantri: Shri Nath Pai: SIui Nath Pai: Shri Shashi RaajaD.: Shri p. C. Boroodt: Shri Vishwa Nath pude,-: Shri Yashpal SIIlIb: L Shri Shree NarayaD. Ba!l: Will the Minister of Defeace be Shri D. C. Sharma: pleased to state: Shrt M. L. Dwlvedl: Shrtmati Savttri Nigam: (a) the number of times the Bir- Shri N. R. Laskar:' space of India has been violated by '*lH. Shri Ramaehatlllra Ulalta: foreign planes since the termination . Shri Svbodh BaDSda: of the last session of Lok Sabha; Shri Mohall Swarup: Shri Ouar Lal Berwa: (b) tne countries to which those Shri Rameshwar Tantia: planes belonged; and Shri Bari Visluau Kamath: (c) the action taken in the matter? Shri Kappen: Shri P. R. Chakraverti: The Minister of Defence (Shrt Shri E. Madhusudaa Rao: Y. B. Chavaa): (a) and (b). Accord- Will the Prime Minister be pleased ing to the information available to to. state: Government to-date; there have been four violations of Indian, air-space, (a) the number of rockets so far three by Pakistani and one by fired from the Thumba rocket launch- Chinese planes, since the termination ing station near Trivandrum; of the last session of the I.ok Sabha (b) the result of the study made on 21st December 1963. .so far; and (c) Prote,ts have been lodged in (c) broad outlines of the future respect of all the violations. programme in this r!'gard? The Minister Without Portfolio Geaeral Ta,-lor's "ilit (-8hri La! Bahadur Shastri): (a) So far 7 rockets have been fired :from Shri Mue.'JWar Naik: the Thumba Equatorial Rocket Shri PrakaSh Vir Shastri: Launching Station. [ Shri Yashpal Singh: Shri Bhagwat Zha Azad: (b) and (c). A statement is laid Shri Vishram Prasad: on the Table of the House. [Placed in Shri D. C. Sharma: Library. See No. LT-2300/64J. Shri Warior:D. D. Pori: lIldian Air Space Vlohiti_ '14"1 Shri Z. B. S. Bist: Shri P. C. Borooah: Shri Yuh,.. Siqll: Shri Nambiar: \ Shri Krishna,.. Slnp: Shrt Sham Lal Sarar: SIri'i Tlshram Prasad: Shri B. C. So,-: Written Answers FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Written Answers 1004 Shri Mohan Swarup: Will the Prime Minister be pleased Shri Gulshaa: to state: Shrimati Renu l Cbakravartty: (a) whether China has made fur- ther inroads into Indian territory and Will the Minister of Defence be has finally rejected the Colombo pro- pleased to state: posals; and (a) the nature of talks that Gov- (b) if so, the late3t position? ernment had with Gen. Maxwell Taylor during his r"cent visit to The Minister of State ia the Mill- lJldia; and istry of External Atrairs (Shrimati Lakshmi Mena): (a) and (b). There (b) whether it is a fact that one have been no fresh Chinese inroads of the results of his last visit here into Indian territory. As for the has been an agreement for Equipping Chinese o ernment'~ position on the I.A.F. with U.S. ,upersonic air- the Colombo Proposals, there has craft? been no change from the initial stand taken by the Chinese Govern- The MiDister of Defe.ce (Shri Y. ment. China claims ta have accepted B. Chavan): (a) Gen. Tayjor did not the Colombo Proposals, "in princi- visit India for any specific purpose. ple", while m int in~ reservations It is a normal practice for top offi- of substance in regarj to the pro- cers of the Armed Forces to exchange posals. visits ·with their counterparts in friendly countries. The Chief of the Army Staff, who had visited the United States in July 1963, extended ExpanSion Of U.N . Security Councll an invitation to him to visit India. There was an exchange of views bet- r Shri Shree Narayan ~ ween the (;overnment of India and 14~ { Shrimati Savitri Nigam: Gen. Taylor, as is usual when a Chief l Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: of Staff of a friendly country visits Will the Prime MiBister be pleased India. to state: (,b) No, Sir. The question of any (a) whether the Government of agreement in this context does not India have formul.lted their views arise. regarding the enlargement of Secu- rity Council and the F..conomic and Social Council of the U.N.; and ChiJlese Jatrusions (b) if so, the preCIse nature of proposals? Shri Dari Vishnu Kamath: Shri Shree Narayaa Das: The Minister Of State in the Mia- [ Shri Yashpal Singh: Jstry of External Atrairs (Shrimatl Shri P. C. Borooah: Lakshmi Menon): (a) and (·b). The Shri Prakash Vir Shastri: Goverrunent of India believe that in Shri Hem Barua: view of the increase in the member- ·ltl..{ 8hri 1. B. S. Bist: ship of the Asian arc! African coun- Shri Kolla Venkalah: tries ir. the United Nations, it is 8hri S. M. Baaerjee: necessary to enlarge the membership Shri Narasimha Reddy: of the Security Council and the Eco- Shri Kapnr Slagh: nomic and Social Council IntUa Shri p. R. Cbakraverti: accordingly co-sponsored a resolu- lShri Nath Pal: tion in the last session of the U. N. Shri D. C. Sharma: General Assembly, whicm was adopted roDs Written Answers MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Written Answers 1000 by an over-whelming majority. Ac- I Shri Onkar Lal Berwa: cording to this re.,n1ution, the mem- ShrimatiSavitri i~ m bership of the .Security COllnci] will l Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: be increased from 11 h 15 and that of the Economic anj Social Council Will the Prime Mmist", be pleased from 18 to 27. When the two Coun- to refer to the rey!; given to Star- cils are enlarged, the Afro-Asian red Question No. 444 on the 9th members will have five non-perma- December, 1963 and state :hc up-to- nent seats on the Security Council date progress made ill the statement and twelve seats on the Economic of the issue of t ~ Stateless persons and Social Council. The implemen- of Indian origin 'n Ceyle'1° tation on the resolution will require The Depnty Minister in the Min· amendments of th" rt~r, which istry of Extera:ll Affairs (Shri will come into operation when two- Dinesh Singh): T ~r" has been nO thirds of the Members 01 the United progress in this matter WIre 9th Nations, including all permanent December, 1963. members of the Security Council. have ratified them. MIG Aircraft Crash r Shri P. C. Borooah: Pak. InfIltration Shri D. C. Sharma: Shri Bishwanath Roy: r Shri D. C. Sharma: Shri Mohan Swarup: • 'Shri p. C. Borooah: Shri Yashpal Singh: 143. ~ Shrimati Savitri Nigam; Shrimati Savitri Nigam:' l Shri 1. B. S. Bist: Shri Bibhuti Mishra: Shri Kajrolkar: Will the Prime Miaister be pleased Shri A. N. Vidyalankar: to refer to the reply given to Starred Shri Kapur Singh: Question No. 585 on the 16th Decem- Shri P. H. Bheel: ber, 1963 and state: Shri Dhaon: Shri Bishaachander Seth: (a) whether preliminary negotia- Shri P. R. Chakraverti: tions have since taken place at the Shri Onkar Lal Berwa: diplomatic level ~o discuss the ques- Shri Nath Pai: tion of illegal Pakistani infiltrants Shri Swell: from East Pakistan into ~ m and Shri S. M. Baaerjee: Tripura; and ·145. Shri Bagri: (b) if so, the result tht.reof? Shri M. L. Dwivedi: 8hri Maheswar Nalk: The Minister of State m the Min- Shri Indrajit Gupta: istry of Extenaal Affairs (Shrimati Shri Hem Barna: Lak.shmI. MenOll): (a) No, ~ir Shri Prakash Vir Shastri: Shri Tridib Kumar (b) Does not arise Chaudhurl: Sbri Kolla Venkalah: Shri Solanki: 8tatelea9 Persons of Indla.n Origin iD. 8hri H'lmmatslnbji: Ceylon Shri Kachhavalya: Shri B. P. Yuava: 8hri Dhaoa: Shri D. D. Purl: 8hri Bishanehaader Seth: Shri Krishnapal Siagh: rShri B. p. Yadava: Shri Vishram Prasad: 8hri Yashpal ~ Shrimati Renu 8hri P. C. Borooah: Chakra"f1lrtty: .1«'1 8hri Bhagwat Jha Azad: Sbri Ram Sewat Yadn': Dr. L. M. 81n1rhvi: l Shri Chai LaI: 1.007 WTitten AnsweTs FEBRUARY 17, IDM Written Answers Will the Minister of Defence be ,~~if;~it~~~ pieased to state: i t~iT~~1I1'ifft;ril'it I (a) whether it is a fact that two ~~t~, ~~'1, < Slui A. N. VidyaJankar: the ensuing Debate on the 12th and I Shri Hem Barua: 13th February. 1964, in the House. I Sbri Kachhavaiya: I Shri KriIIlIIapal SDcb: VOA Transmitter ~t I Shri R. S. Tiwary: I Dr. L. M. Singhvi: r Shri P. C. or~ I StIri S. N. ChldurTedi: I Silri D...... : Sllri S. C. Samallta: , Shri B. P. Yadan: I Sbri P. Venkatasubbaiab: , Shri BisbaDebander Setb: I Shri Onkar Lal Berwa: , Shri Yaahpal SiDell: , Shri DiDen BbattachaTya: , Sbri N. R. Laskar: I Dr. U. Misra: , Sbri Ramacbandra Ulaka: I Dr. Ranen Seu: , Sbri Subodh HamIIIa: , Shri Kajrolkar: *lt8. ~ Shri Warlor: , Sbri Hem Raj: r Sbri Vasudevall Nair: I Sbrimati Renu Cbakravartty: I Shri Jetlbe: Shri C. K. Bbattacharyya: i Shri Sidheshwar Prasad: " 8I1r1 Villinra Natll Plmdey: , Sbri Hari Vishnu Kamat.. : " !ftIri SWell: Shri Kolla Vellkaiah: Sllri Bade: I Shri J. B. S. Bm: , !tIlrI Kappea: , Shri Indrajit Gupta: " Shri H. C. Soy: , Silri Jashvant Mebta: SIni P. R. Patel: L Shri D. C. Sharma: , Shri Gulshaa: , Shri BibhDti Mishra: Will the PrIme Minister be pleased L Shrimatl Kenuka Ray: to refer to the reply given to Unstar- red Question No. 1702 on the 16th December, 1963 and state: Will the Prime MiDister be pleased to state: (a) the further steps taken to arrive at an agreeable settlement in respect of the VOA proposal to instal a power- ful (1000 Kwt) transmitter at Cal- (a) the extent of loss of life and cutta; and property and distress caused to mino- (b) the stage at which the negotia- rity community in East Pakistan in tions stand at present? the trouble engineered in December, 1963 and January, 196 .. ; and The Minister ot State in tbe MiDia- try of External Aftlairs (Shrimati Lakshmi Menoa): (a) The position is the same as before and there have (b) the Government of India's been no developments. reaction in the matter and the steps ( b) Does not arise. taken in consequence thereof? _"-uti-Indian Propapnda "y Pakistan The Minister of State in the MiDia- ( Shri Sbree Narayaa »as: iry of E:demal Affairs (Shrimati i Shri P. C. BorONh: , Shri BibhuU MisIIra: Lakshmi Menon): (a) and (b). Atten- I Shri D. C. Sharma: tion is invited to the Statement placed *ll1. Shrima,ti Savitri Nlca.: on the Table of the House by the Shri Bern BanIa: 1Shri YashpaJ Sinl'll: Minister of Home Affairs on this sub- Shri J. B. S. Bi8t: ject on the 11th February, 11164 and L Shri E. Madhu.... 1Iao: IOIl Written Answers FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Written Answers 1012 Will the Prime Minister be pleased Educated Unemployed ill AIIdhra to state: Pradesh (a) whether Government are aware J Shri Eswara Reddy: that Pakistan has of late stepped up 235. \.. Shri E. Madhusudan Rao: its anti-Indian propaganda abroad notably in Afro-Asian countries; and Will the Minister of Labour and Employment be pleased to state: (b) the steps taken by Government to counter this propaganda? (a) the number of educated un- en. ployed in Andhra Pradesh as on the 31st December, 1963; and The Deputy Minister in the Minis- try of External Affairs (Shri DiBesh (b) the number of Scheduled Caste Singh): (a) Yes. and Scheduled Tribe persons amongst them? (b) Our missions are keeping a vigilant eye on Pakistani propaganda. The Deputy Minister in the MiJIis- In some cases attention of the Gov- try of Labour lUI.i Employment and ernments concerned has been drawn for Planning (Shri C. R. Pattabhi to the undesirability of hostile pro- Raman): (a) 38,875 educated persons paganda being carried on against (Matriculates and above) remained on India on friendly soil. Whenever the Live Register of the Employment necessary the missions issue rejoinders Exchanges. to specific points of Pakistani pro- paganda and in many cases have been (b) Scheduled Castes 2,598 able to get the replies publicised Scheduled Tribes 196 through pubiicity organs in the coun- tries concerned. Every effort is made to provide missions with correct ver- Palana Coalfield, Rajasthan sions of news and views to enable 236. Shri Karni SiJagbji: Will the them to neutralise any harmful efforts Minister of Labour and Employment created by Pakistani propaganda. be pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question No. 1323 on the Several new publicity posts have 1st April, 1963 and state: been opened and the frequency and (a) whether a suitable site has since coverage of bulletins and releases put out by missions has been stepped up. been procured for the construction of a building for the Welfare Centre at The quantum of material produced in foreign languages specially French and Palana Coalfield, Rajasthan; and Arabic has been increased. The open- (b) if not, the action Government ing of new publicity set-ups in West propose to take in the matter? Asia and Africa is constantly under consideration in the light of "the The Depaty Minister fa the Minls- recommendations of the Conference of try of Labour IUld Employment (Shri Heads of Indian Missions in Africa R. K. Malviya): (a) and (b). A 2 and West Asia. Special efforts are acre piece of land haa been selected made to publicize correct facts for the for the purpose and further action i.a benefit of participants at Conferences being taken to procure it. in which Pakistan has been trying to malign India. The visits of leading Indian personalities to some of the Employment of Tecbnical Pel'llOllS in African countries in recent months Punjab have also gone a long way towards presenting India's view point correctly 237. Shri Daljit SiJagh: Will the and thus counteractini Pakistani Minister of Labour and Employment propaganda. be pleased to lltaw; 1013 Written Answers MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Written Answers 1014 (a) the nwnber of technical per- (a) 1llie number of educated un- sons registered in various Employ- employed in the country, State-wise ment Exchanges in Punjab as on the as on the 1st January, 1964; and 1st January, 1964; and (b) the number of technical persons provided with employment during April-December, 1963? (b) the nwnber of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes among The Deputy MillilIter in the Mini!J... them? try of Labour and Emplo7IDeDt 8.II1II for Phuming (Shri C. R. Pattabhi Raman): (II) 7,841 (at the end of December, 1963). The Deputy Minister in the Minis- try of Labour aDd Employment and (b) 4,795. for Plamling (Shri C. R. Pattabhi RamaD): (a) and (b). The n ~__ :jer of Educated Unemployed educated applicants (Matriculates and above) on the Live Register of the 238. Shri Daljit SiJlgh: Will the Employment Exchanges in the coun- Minister of Labour aDd Employmeut try, by States, at the end of 31st be pleased to state: December, 1963 is given below:- No. of educated applicants on State/Union Territory Live Register at the end of 31st December, 1963· Scheduled Scheduled Total castes Tribes (included (i ncluded in col. 2) in col. 2) 2 4 Andhra Pradesh 38,875 2,598 196 Assam 10,876 496 518 Bihar 45,670 1,986 ',9'2 Delhi 43,521 2,382 21 Gujarat 25,608 1,612 381 Himachal Pradesh 1,606 133 12 Jammu & Kashmir . 1,042 II Kerala . 68,107 1,90 1 91 Madhya Pradesh 35>420 1,376 433 Madras 42,836 2,154 6 Maharashtra . 65,838 6,314 384 Manipur 1,461 10 132 Mysore 46,594 2,770 12 Orissa . 12,828 ISO 204 Pondicherry 277 Punjab. 31,536 2,687 7 Rajasthao 25,482 967 330 Tripura 1,806 54 67 Uttar Pradesh 1,17,586 12,352 West Bengal . 1,22,097 5,574 3II ALL INDIA TOTAL : 7,39,066 45,527 S,oI8 1015 Written Answers FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Written Answers GaBdhi School at Ka.tlunaadu in various Employment Exchanges during 1963; 239. Shri Ram Harkh Yadav: Will the Prime Minister be pleased to state (b) the' number of persons both whether Government of India have skilled and unskilled registered with donated a sum of Rs. 1.25 lacs to the various Employment Exchanges in Founder of the Gandhi Adarsh Vid- Mysore as on the 31st December 1963; yalaya at Katbmandu? and ' The Prime Minister, Minister of (c) the number of persons out of External Affairs and Minister of them provided with employment as- Atomic Energy (Shri Jawaharlal sistance during 1962 and 1963? Nehru): Yes, Sir. The Deputy Minister In the Minis- Tecbnical Persons in Mysore try of Labour and Employment and for Planning (Shri C. R. Pattabhi 240. Shri S. B. Patil: Will the Raman): (a) The number of technical Minister of Labour and Employmeat persons on the registers of the Em- be pleased to state: ployment Exchanges was 9,454 at the' end of December, 1963. (a) the number of educated techni- cal persons in Mysore State registered (b) and (c). No. on No. of persons placed Live Re- in employment during Category of applicants gister as on 31st Dec., 1963 2 4 1. Craftsmen and production process worker (skilled and semi-skilled/.. . 5,978 1,577 1,305 2. Unskilled 150306 3,832 4,721 3· Others. 88,420 19,168 16,036 TOTAL :-. 24,577 22,062 Indian Delegation to U.N. General AtoInic Eaergy (Shri Jawaharlal A_bl)' Nehrll): (a) Rs. 2,99,500.00 (approxi- mate). 241. Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Will (b) A statement is placed on the the Prime M1niBter be pleued to state: Table of the House. [Placed in Lil>Tary. See No. LT-230l/64]. (a) the total expenditure incurred by Government on the Indian Dele- ~ii~~ ~~ gation to the last Session of the United Nations General Assembly; and llYll· "" mftI fir'!': ~ Ilf'f ~ ~ ~~ lff! ~ (b) a break-up thereof, member- iRIlit The Prime Minister, MJniIIter ef (iii) ~11 '~ ~ ~f1r; ~ m'Ii'T~ External Afrain and Minister of ~it~I! 1'~~~ IOn WTitten AnsweTs MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) WTitten AnsweTs 1018 11ft ~ ~ t '3'1'11it q;:: fcrqy;: ill': Will the Minister of Deluce be p1eased to state: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ iF f<'!it 'fiTlJifRT m~, H'4'c; it ~~ ~ iF (a) whether it is intended to seL up a small arms factory at Tiruchira- ~'q1f q;:: qr{ ~ ; 'lIT< palli; (v) lI ~, m~;t " smrrfqa- (b) if so, when the factory is ex- pected to start production; and ~f;;rirr lift ~ iflff ~ tft (c) the rated capacity of the fac- tory? ~ ~~,,~ !I'll ~ ~l ~;.. " ;10 Uo "fIfl'l- The Minister of Defence Production in liIe Miaistry of Defuce (Shri ~ ~ ~ : om: (v). t Raghuramaiah): (aj A proposai to ~iF~qn ~;t " ~ set up a second SmaH Arm< Factory m"VAT ~, ~~'4' ; iF ~ is under the consideration of Gov- ernment of India. A final decision is III .m: IV it;t\" Jf{ ~ I Wlf iIm'f expected. soon. ~ ~ fifl'if ~ rn iF ft;w, iF (b) and (c). Do not arise. 1If~ it ~~ ~ ~ f rql~ t :- U.K. Naval Units in hldian Ocean ~ qn m"""~~ ;t "~rnr ~ ( Shri Nath Pai: ' ~ i n nde~ Seth: crrfi!; ;rnvif IIiT iT'Ii '«'IT / Shn B. p. Yadava: ;ffl om: ~ ~ The Minister of Parliamentary Af- Indian Experts for Nigeria fairs (Shri Satya Narayan Sinha): (a) and (b). A coPy of the script of eaab Shri Hem Barua: broadca9t on the Al.R!. relating to 245. { ~ D .. C. ~ the review Of Parliamentary proceed- "j 8hrimati Savltn NIgam: ings will be supplied to the Library 8hri Vishwa Nath Pandey: of Parliament after broadcast. Will the Prime Minister be pleased to state: ~'II'Irn ~ ~ ~ (a) whether the Nigerian Prime r n!m~ ~T Minister, during his recent visit, held talks with the Goverrunent of India !~T~~ about the loaning of Indian Techni- 'IT ,,"0 ,,"0 fPit cians and planning experts to Nigeria; \ ~T ~ and CI",,", ~T ro ~o ~ : (b) the reaction of Government to the Nigerian proposals? \ lT~ 1fI~ : ~'tI, i CIT ~ : The Prime Minister, Minister of Ex- ~T!II1tm ~ terJIal Mairs and Minister of Ato- I \'mI" mic Energy (.shrj Jawaharlal Nehru): l n~ ~ : (a) The Premier of the Northern Re- I'IT'lTO ;{o ~ : gion of Nigeria, the Hon. Alhaji Sir Ahmadu Bello, paid .a visit to India I lT~o 11'0 ~ during December, 1963. During the I CIt ~o q;r : course of the visit, he discussed the I~T"~ ~ possibility Of the deputation of Indian technical personnel of various cate- Il~T~ Ifr : gories to the Northern Region of lT ~ Nigeria. (b) In pursuance of their policy of ;p;rr srnmn ~ ~ iR!A ~ ~qffi~ ~~ , rT' ~~q The Prime Minister, Minister of Ex- ~~ Tm~~~ ternal Affairs and Mlnister of Ato- mic Energy (Shri .1awaharlal Nehru): No, Sir. A good deal of the tabulation ~ Ii~ ,,~;f work has 'bElen done, but some nill ("" ~ (if) ~'"' remains to be completed. m'T I Shri B. P. Yadava: ;;rr W ~ I t, ~ '1i'mI'T'ft 'fT Il;'F I Shri Dhaon: 249. J Shri Prakash Vir Shastri: ~'"'flf ~fl 1 f f'f!IT;n- W ~ I 'I1Z I Shrj Shree Narayan Das: ~'Ift ~ ~~m: ~ ~ Indian Air Force; and if; ~iif 1II" if; foil!; ~ if; (d) if so, the kind of .assistance as- ~ ~ ~r IT"!f ~ foIl!;, lI'lT-'lT sured? "1ft I . The Minister of Defence (Shri Y. 8. Chavan): (a) The mater is still under ~ f~ m~T 'fT f.rIm' discussion. rn 'fT f'li" '~ ~ ~ ~ i I (b) '!'he dates Of delivery can be determined only after the supply of the equipment is decided in principle. Middle Class (c) and (d). Yes, Sir. The a.sist- ance will be in the form of supply of spare parts for aircraft of U.S. 248. Shri lIarish Chandra Mathur: origin, airfield ground equipment, Will the Prime Minister be pleased to communication .and radar equipment. .' reler to the reply given to Starred Question No. 580 and the supple- Staff Artists of A.I.R. mentaries raised thereon On the 16th December, 1963 and state whether all Shri Shree Narayan Das: the tabulatior.s :regarding survey of rShri D. D. Pu.ri: the living conditions of the urban 250. ~ Shri p. R. Chakraverti: middle class Elmployees families have I Shri P. C. Borooah: been received and reports prepared? t Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: 2080 ai ~ 1023 Written Answers FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Written Answers 1024 Will the Minister of Information of NEFA have been renewed with and BroaticastiJIg be pleased to state: suC'cess. The Assam Government are building staging huts to help NEFA (a) whether the report of the de- partmental o,mmitee regarding ser- visitors to the plains and meaou"es are afoot promote local customary vice conditions of the staff artists of to trade. The Asslm Marketing Cor- A.I.R. has been considered and deci- poratiOn is takhg up the exhibition sions taken thereon; and and sale of thEo products of NEFA (ob) if so, the nature of decisions cottage industries and the supply' of taken? certain r·aw materials to the int"rior. Sr:hool text book, in Assam and The Minister of Parliamentary Af- NEFA give informatiOn a·bout each fairs (ShrL Satya . Narayan Sinha): (a) others' areas. The report of the departmental Com- mittee is yet und"r consideration. Assistance to Old and Handicapped (b) Does not arise. PenlODS 2 r Shri Bibhuti Mishra: Integration of NEFA with Assam 25 '\ Shri Yashpal Singh: ZSl. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the Will :the .Minister of Labour and Prime M!.nister be pleased to state Employment 'be pleased to state: the steps taken towards integration (a) whether it is a fact that the of NEFA with the surrounding plains Central Government have '~ed the of Assam, both in the administrative State Governments to make a begin- and social fields? ning with the programme for assist- ance to 011 .and handicapped people The Prime Minister, Minister of Ex- and to dependent women and chi!dren ternal Mairs and Minister of Ato- on a pilot basis; and mic Energy (Shri Jawaharlal Nehru): (b) if so, the reaction of different Apart from local meetings of district States to this proposal? officers, an annual joint meeting of NEFA Political Officers and Assam The Deputy Minister in the Ministl7 Deputy Commissioners has been in- of Labour and Employment and for stituted. A Joint Director of Soil Planning (Shri C. R. Patfabhi Raman): o,nservation has been appointed for (a) Yes. both NEFA and A3sam. A Member of the A3sam Public Service Commis- (b) The Government of Madhya sion continues to sit on local NEFA Pradesh, Ori., Gujarat. Kerala, Selection Boards. OveralJ charge of Maharashtra & Punjab and the Ad- three out of five districts of NEFA, ministratIons of Tripura and Goa, is, at present, held by senior scale Daman and Diu have intirnate1 that IFAS officers recruited from Assam. the matter is under consideration. Re- plies from other States and Union Training programmes and recruitment Territories are awaited. r ~e for junior administrative staff are condUCted on the Assam analogy to facilitate any later exchange of CI ... <'i6i}'4 ~ ~ officers, which might be in the public illterest. ~ 1I rT~ m (w) lIft~, ffi" ~~ 11' The Deputy Minister in the MinilI- w try of Labour and Employment and if..... - (b) if so, the industries beinj( ~on The Minister of Parliamentary ~idered in this regard? Affairs (Shri SatYa Narayan Sinha): 1027 Written Answers FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Writtel!: Answers (a). The present sanctioned strength of the Central Information Service, grade-wise, is an under:- No. of Grade and scale posts ~ Senior Administrative Grade Rs. 1,800-100-2,000 Rs. 1,600-100-1,800 2 Junior Administrative Grade Rs. 1,300-60-1,600 7 Rs. 1,100-50-1>400 14 Grade I (Rs. 7()().-4Q-I,loo-sol2-I,2S0) Grade II (Rs. 4oo-400-4s0-30-600-3S-670-EB-3S-9S0) Grade III (Rs. 3S0-2S-S00-30-S9Q-EB-30-800) Grade IV (Rs. 270-10-29Q-IS-4lo-EB-IS-48S 349 TOTAL: (b). Yes, Sir. auditors have brought to the notice of the Ministry the loss of about Rs. 5 lakhs as a result Of the large (C) Yes, Sir. Promotions from lower number of priced publications of the grades to higher grades have been Publications Division which are un- made in accordance with rule 6 of the accounted for; C.I.S. Rules 1959 as amended from time to tim~ In some cases, pending filling up of posts in accordance with (b) whether tlhe Special Police Ex- the Rules ad hoc appointments have tablishment has been entrusted with been made as a purely temporary the task of investigating into the mat- arrangement. ter; and (c) whether a statement showing the details of' such losses in each Publications Division Of the L&B. f.nancial year beginning from 1959-60 Ministry will be laid on the Table? %5'7. Shri Snrendranath Dwlvedy: Will the Minister of Information and The Minister of Parliamentary Broadcasting be pleased to state: Affairs (Shri Satya Narayan Sinha): (a) and (c). Yes Sir. The Audit have (a) whether it is a fact that the brought to the itotice of the Ministry 1029 Written Answers MAGHA 28, 1835 (SAKA) Written Answers ,030 some shortageslexcesses in the stocks Indian Army is giving a thorough Of the Publications Division. The loss psychological and physical test to the is likely to be much less than Rs. 5 prospective officers and recruits to lakhs. A physical verification of the ensure that they fulfill the highest stocks is, however, in progress and the standards Of physical and mental effi- actual position will be known after ciency needed for mechanised war- the verification is completed. It is fare; and not possible, at this stage, to indicate (b) if so, the result obtained from the details of the loss year-wise. such tests? (b) No, Sir. The MinIster of Defence (Shri Y. B. Chavan): (a) Yes, Sir except that Joint Management Councils in psychological tests are' given only to Industry candidates for commissioned ranks. 258. Shri R. G. Dubey: Will the (b) The results are on the whole Minister Of Labour aJld Employment considered satisfactory. Out of the be pleased to state: recruits put up for medical examina- (a) the number of Joint Manage- tion after preliminary selection, ment Councils functioning in the roughly half passed the medical test. country in the field of industry; and Of the candidates for emergency com- missions appearing before Services (b) the powers and scope of these Selection Boards (which include Councils? psychological tests), about 21'6 per cent. were successful and out Of the The Deputy Minister in the Minis- successful candidates 89 per cent. try of LabOur aad Employment (Shri passed the medical test. B. K. Malviya): (a) 80. (b) Joint Management Councils are consulted on such matters as standing Military Training for Govermneat orders and their amendments, admi- Servants nistration of welfare and safety mea- Shri B. P. Yadava: sures. They receive information on 260. { Shri Dhaon: matters relating to the economic and Shri Bishanchander Seth: financial situation, Of the undertak- ing, marketing and other allied items. Will the Minister Of Defence be The exact powers and scope of eaclh pleased to state: Joint Management Council is defined in the agreement between the man- (a) whether GoverIllllent are con- agement and the union concerned, sidering to give military training to which generally confonn to the Draft the able-bodied Government servants; Model Agreement a copy Of which is (b) if so, when this is likely to start; laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-2302/ and 64]. (c) if not, the reasons therefor? The Mlaister of Defence (Shri Y. B. Training of Army Personnel Chavan): (a) There is no sdb.eme to give military training exclusively to 259. J ~ R. G. Dubey: civilian Government servants. Shn S. N. Cbatarvedi: l (b) Does not arise. Will the Minister of Detencle be (c) The Territorial Army provides pleased to state: an opportunity to civilian Government (a) whether it is a fact that tlhe servants and otlhers to receive military t031 WTitten AnsweTs FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Written Answers training on certain terms without dis- Personnel have the opportunity of turbing their civil career. Similiarly, seeing the latest developments in civilian Government servants in bor- Naval equipment. der States can take advantage of the Lok Sahayak Sena scheme, under (c) No such proposals are under which elementary military training i. consideration. imparted to the civil populace in 15 (d) Does not arise. day camps. There is also a scheme called 'Civilian Rifle Training Cen- Sainik Selaools tres' run under the direction Of the Ministry of Home Affairs, which can Shri N R. Laskar: be availed of, by among others, Gov- 262 { Shri Ramaduuadra maka: ernment servants. . Shri Snbodh 1IaJISda: Shri Hem Raj: In view Of the existence of these schemes it !has not beert considered necessary to start a new scheme for Will the Minister of Defence be r giving military training to civilian pleased to state: Government servants separately. (a) tlhe total number Of Sainik Schools functioning in the country at British Ship's Visit present; (b) the States which are yet to r Shri Dhaon: start Sainik Schools; and I Shri B. p. Yadava: 261'1 Shri Bishaacluuader Setll: (c) the reasons advanCed -by such Shri Yashpal SiIlKh: States for not starting Sainik Schools? Shri M. L. Dwiveell: The Minister of Defe_ (Shri Y. B. Will the Minister Of Defence be Chava): (a) 13. pleased to state: (b) and (c). U.P., Assam, Jammu &. (a) whether it is a fact that onll Kashmir and Nagaland. of the Britain'. m{)st modern fighting ships visited India on the 21st Decem- The States of U.P. and Assam haY!: ber. 1963: agreed in principle to set up such Schools. The locations Of Sainik (b) if so the purpose Of visit and Sclhools in these two States are bemg how its visit helped India: finalized. Nagaland and Jammu &. (c) whether India is likely to pur- Kashmir have instituted scholarships chase such kind of ships from Britain: for their children in Sainik Schools and located outside these States. (d) if so, when? E.S.I. Scheme Ia Andllra Prad_ The Minister of Defell6e (Shrl Y. B. 263. Shri Eswara Reddy: Will the Chavan): (a) Yes, Sir. lIMS Minister of Labour and EmplOJJDelil Nubian. one of the latest general be pleased to Itate: purpose frigates in the Royal Navy paid a visit to Bombay from 21st to (a) the progress so far made m 27th December, 1963 and to Cochin Andhra Pradesh in constructing hospI- from 29th December, 1963 to 2nd tals and dispensaries under the January, 1964. Employees' State Insurance Sdheme; and (b) The purpose of these visits was primarily for logistic req.uire- (b) the total expenditure so far ments and goodwill. Indian Navy incurred in this connection? 1033 Written Answers MAGIiA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Written Answer$ 1.)34 The Deputy MiBister in the MIDis- been taken regarding t ~ indigenous try of Labour and Employment and construction of frigates for the Navy; for PlaDning (Shri C. B. Pattabhi and Raman): (a) (1) The following wards !dispensaries have already been cons- (b) if so the nature of the deci- tructed and commissioned:- sion taken?' (i) 24-bed E.S'!. Ward in T.B. Hospital, Irrammuna. The Minister of Defence ProductiOll in the Ministry 01 Defence (Shri (ii) 32-bed E.S.I. Ward in K.E.M. Raghuramaiah): (a) and (b). No final Hospital, Secunderabad. decision has yet been taken. (iii) 4-doctored State Insurance dispensary, Kavadiguda Hydera- Mass Commonication bad. . ' (2) The following hospitalldispen- r Shri P. Kunhan: sary buildings are under construction: 265. ~ 8hri Sidheshwar Prasad: l Shri p. C. Borooah: (i) 150"bed E.S.I. Hospital, Hyderabad. Will the Minister of Jaformatiu and Broadcasting be pleased, to refer (ii) 50-bed E.S.I. Hospital, Sir- to the reply given to Uns!i'!!'red Ques- pur-Kagaznagar. tion No. 16 On the 18th November, (iii) 4-doctored Stale Insurance 1963 and state: dispensary, Nellimarla. (a) whether any lTnal decision has (iv) 4-doctored State Insurance since been taken regarding the pro- dispensary, Chithivalsa. posal made by the Ford Foundation Team of experts for setting up a (v) Two sets of 4-doctored Centre for advanced study of mass State Insurance dispensaries, Sir- communication; and pur-Kagaznagar. (b) if so, the nature of decision (3) The plans and estimates of the taken? following hospitalsldispensaries have been sanctioned but construction work The Minister of Parliamentary has not yet started:- Affairs (Shri Satya Narayan Sinha): (a) and (b), The ro o~"l is still (i) nO-bed E.S.I. Hospital, under consideration. Visakhapatnam. (ii) 4-doetored State Insurance ~~~ dispensary, Waranga!. ~~~ 'lr ~ smA' : ;m (b) A sum of Rs. 48,88,569'25 nP. ~~~ ~ ~ ;~, has so far been paid by the Emplo- yees' State Insurance Corporation to ~ e. q it ffiWw 5ITof ~ ~ it the State Government for construc- ~it~if~~'l 'tFlTrn tion of hospitalsldispensaries. f~ Frigates for Indian Navy ~ ;m ~ it ~ ~ ~ ~ lIT "tf'Ii' ~"'flq ,f ,"f; Mif ~ I ~ f.roq ~~~, 'ri it ¥ ~ J ~ ~ "'"" ioo : #rti'f 'ffT ~ ij" f~ 00 ~l o' , " ~ If!'Iil:r : ro F!,!rn ij" mf1T ~ I 'flIT srftm1T i!'ft ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ fimr-r rn~ ~"t '1") ~ \'1'1<'1' ~ (OF) 'flIT ~ W'f ~ fOF f~ !fin SI'IfA if'!"l" ~ srftm1T ~ ~~ ~ SI'IfA ",,", ~ Ji;ft (a) whether any special officer has I Shri p. H. Cheel: been appointed to advise the pubiic 274 { 8hri Solallki: sector projects on labour matters; I Shri Himmatsinhji: Shri ODkar Lal Berwa: (b) if so, the name of the officer; I I Shri D. C. Sharma: and lShri Koya: (c) the duties assigned to him? Will the Minister of DefeDce be The Deputy Minister in the Minis- pleased to state: try of Labour &lid Employment aDd for PllUUling (Shri C. R. Pattabhi (a) whether it is a fact that an Raman): (a) Yes. ordnance factory is being started in Maharashtra with American aid: (b) Shri R. L. Mehta. (b) if so, when the lnachinery is (c) To look after the implementa- likely to arrive from the United tion of labour laws in the public sec- States; and tor undertakings and advise manage- (c) when the factory is expected to ments and workers on labour matters. go into production? Manali Upshi Road The MiDister of Defence Produc- tion iD the Ministry af Defence (Shri r Shri p. K. Ghosh: Raghuramaiah): (a) An Ordnance I Shri Kapur Singh: Factory is being established in Maha- 273. ~ Shri Yashpal Singh: rashtra. A substantial portion of the Shri D. C Sharma: plant and machinery is being financed l Dr. L. M. Singhv!: by the U.S.A. as part of the aid pro- gramme. Wlll the Minister of DefeDce be (b) The machinery referred to in pleased to state: (a) above is expected to arrive before (a) whether it is proposed to cons- the end of June 1964. truct the Manali Upshi Road, which (c) It is expected that trial pro- is to connect Kulu with Eastern duction will be established before the Ladakh; end of 1964 and bulk production early (b) if so, when the construction is in 1965. likely to be started; and (c) the estimated cost on the Pro- Death of Border Roads OrganiBation ject? Official The Minister of Defeoce (Shri Shri Hem Barua: Y. B. ChavaD): (a) Yes, Sir. 275 { Shri A. N. Vidyalankar: . Shri Swen: (b) The construction will in start Shri D. D. Mantri: the summer of 1964. (c) On the basis of a rough assess- Will the Minister of Defence be ment, the estimated cost of the pro- pleased to state: ject will be Rs. 20 crores. (a) whether it is a fact that re- cently a Camp Commander, Major Ordnance Factory in Maharashtra Dyball, of the Border Roads Organi- sation, was killed by a crowd of Shri P. K. Deo: people at Zambuk in Mizo Hills; and Shri Yashpal Singh: (b if so, the circumstances lead---· fShri p. K. Ghosh: r ing to this unfortunate incident? , Shri Kapur Singh: 104 1 Written Answers MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Written Answers 1042 The Minister of Defence (Sbri ~ m ~,~ Y. B. Cbavan): (a) Yes. .sir. (b) A judicial enquiry into the ~I I ~ ~o ~o ~ IflI'l circumstances in which two persons smmn l1';fT ~ ~ '!IT FIT rn f.F : including Major Dyball died and a few others were injured. is in pro- ('Ii) ;m ~ ~ t f'li ri :H tJiq'f ~~ii mmn~ q.n <'1i' ~ ~ if~ ~ Assam-East Pakistan Border Tm ~ if; ~ if; r.rf ;;ft;rr if; ~~m~f~~rn ( Shri Swell: ( Shri B. P. Yauva: 'FT ~ ~ f~ ~ I ~ fifflffi I Shri Dhaon: @r 'l~ it ~ ~f r ~ ~ qrt, oro 'I" ;;ft~llI' !I'm~if; Will the Prime MinIster be pleased to state: mm! ~~~~ ;1~~ (a) whether th" Joint Inspection in ~ ~ I f.Rn:: W the Lubhachera area of the Auam- (if) 1'~ Flying Accident near Cochin The Prime Minister, Minister of Ex- ternal Affairs and Minister of Ato- 283, Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: Will mic EnerlY (Shri .Jawaharlal Nehru): the Minister of Defenee be pleased to (a) Yes, Sir, state: (a) whether it is a fact that a person (b) It has been agreed that until of a naval air squadron was killed in a the international boundary, as de- flying accident off Cochin on t ~ 6th marcated on the ground, has been December, 1963; adopted, the East Pakistan Rifles (Pakistan) will not have any troops (b) if so, the cause of the accident; Or defence works within 150 yards (c) whether Government have con- -of the Joint Survey Demarcation line, stituted any Committee for enquiry; and the Border Security Force (India) and will remain 150 yards away from the line of pruned bushes of the tea (d) if so, the result thereof? garden in the area, Written Answers FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Written Answer, m.n QIT;if q ~ ~ Raj Pilgrims from Kerala 287. Shri Koya: Will the Prim. ~ ;~ '1') !f:fT '-'fq !!itt ~ if' : Minister be pleased to state: "Ifft lff!: ifcrf.r '!iT 'l"IT rn fop : (a) whether the attention Of the ('P) q-,f H ~ ~ if lfUI" ~ '!iT Saudi Arabian.Government was drawn to the difficulties of the ee~ of 'PPR"T!ifA1 if ~r q WiT f~ ~ Kerala >due to the monopoly of only Qt; ~ two Muallims in Mecca during Haj time; and ~ ~m ~ ~ ~ ~ Ib) if so, reaction of the Saudi ~~ '!iT f'!1<'RT pffif ~ ? Araibian Government in the matter? '!'he Prime Minister, Minister 01 '1''1' !!itt ~~ ~~ q ~ ~!il" External Aftalrs and Minister 01 Ato- ('1') ~o fil;o 'I'r~ '!1 lTR ~ mic Energy (Shrl Jawaharlal Nehna): (a) and (b). The Govern- ~ ; tIT I'!1~, f~ ¥\9 1f~ if 0lIfiffi ment of Saudi Arabia have been re- ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I WiT quested through our Embassy in ~'!iT~~if '~I~f Jeddah to appoint more Muallims to look after the Hajees from Kerala. '!iTmrr ~'!iT~~flr r ~ I Their reply is awaited. Transmitter at Parbhani Visit or Japanese Aircraft Gronp r Shri D. D. Purl: !86. Shri Lonikar: Will the Minister 1 Sh'ri R. Bama: of Information alld Broadcasting be 288. ~ Shri S. N. Chaturvedi: pleased (0 refer to the reply given to I Shri Hem Barna: Unstarred Question No. 1342 on the Shri P. C. Borooah: 1st April, 1963 and state: l Will the Minister of Defence be (a) the up-to-date progress made In pleased to state: respect of the installation of the transmitter at Parbhani; a·nd (a) whether the recent visit of the nine-member Japanese Aircraft group (bl' whether the plans and designs was at the invitation of Government; have ·been approved by Central Gov- ernment? (b) whether Government propose purchasing aircraft from Japan for defence nee1s; and The Minister Of Parliamentary Affairs (Shri Satya Narayan Sinha): (c) whether there is any proposal (a) and ('b). The plans fo!" the to collaborate with Japan fOr mln'l- construction of the transmitter build- facture of aircraft in India? ing a( Parbhani prepared by the State The Minister 01 Defence (Shrl Y. B. Government architect have ·been ap- Chavan): (a) No, Sir; proved. The final estimates for the (b) There is no proposal at present, construction of the building are await- ed from that Government. The trans- (c) Not at present. mitting equipment is available and . Recognition of Trade Unions the mast radiatOr has been inderl1ed. The project would be 'completed 289. Shri Shashi Ranjan: Will the within four months after the construc- Minister of Labour and Employmellt tion of the transmitter biulding by be pleased to state: the State Government. (a) the number of Trade Unlons in 1049 Written Answers MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKAl ArTest of Member I05e India recognised by Governmellt on (9 Costa Rica (10) Czechoslovakia the basis of verification of their mem- (11) Dahomey (12) Ethiopia (13) bership; and Ghana (14) Guinea (15) Hungary (16) Haiti (17) India (18) Indonesia (b) whether Confederation of Fr"2 (19) Ivory Coast (20) Jamaica (21) Trade Unions also applied fcr veri- Kenya (22) Kuwait (23) Libya (24) fication of their membership for Malagasy Republic (25) Malaysia recogni tion? (26) Mali (27) Nepal (28) Niger (29) Nigeria (30) Pakistan (31) Phi- The Deputy Minister in the Ministry lippines (32) Rumania (33) Sierra of Labour & Employment (Shrl R. Leone (34) Somalia (35) Sucian (36) K. Malviya): (a) For purposes of Syria (37) Tanganyika (38) Uganda negotiations .aI1j:l consultations Trade (39) UAR. (40) Upper Volta (41) Unions are recognised by emploj ers Yugoslavia (42) Zanzibar. concerned and not by Government. However the following four AI;-India 12.00 hrs, Trade Union Organisations are recog- nised by Government for giving re- ARREST OF A MEMBER presentation, on the basis cf their Mr. Speaker: I have to inform the verified membership, on the V<1rlO'lS Ho",e that I have receiv"d the follow_ tripartite Councils, Boanl, Committe'e, ing wireless message, dated the 16th and National and International COil- February, 1964, from the District ferences:- Magistrate, Faizabad:- "Shri Muzaffar Husain, Member, 1. Indian National TradE Un.;"n Lok Sabha, was arrested On the Congress. 15th February, 1963, at 16.30 hour. 2. All-Inl'lia Trade Union Con- at Kichhauchha, Police Station gress. Baskhari, District Faizabad, U.P. 3. Hind Mazdoor Sabha. in a case' under rule 41 Of the Defence of India Rules, and re- 4. United Trades Union Con- gress. manded to jail custody in Faiza- bad," (b). Yes, in October, 1962, II'iI' mrimi qm ~ Trade relations with South Africa ~ ~, ~ ~ it it ~ ;;rr;r- 290. Shrlmati Savitri Nigam: Will 'fT'U ~ 111 I ~ ;;ft fffiT ~ ~ the Prime Minister be pleased to refer ~~~~ mr~'fitm;; riF~ to the reply given to Starred QuestIOn No. 565 on the 9th September, 1963 '1m m<.1tr ~ ~ ~ ~ fit; ~ and state the names of the countries '!> ~ ~~ ~ ~~ by a judge who is sent from Delhi. May I know whether o erll~ 1ent is ~fm~~~~~ m~';;~ considering thB.t proposal? it~ rn~~~ Mr. Speaker: He has already stated Mr. Speaker: The Home Mlnilltft. that. The Minister of Home Affairs (Shri Nanda): I shall obtain the necessary Shri Naada: I have already stated information and give it to the House. that we shall provide a judge from outside the State. Mr. Speaker: In fact, I had calied him in connection with another sub- 1 1' ~~ it~ ject, where he wanted to make a f'fi" ~ f;;m wm: '{'Ii ~ il; f¥t ~ "fl'ITi(T ~~~ifm~'IITl'fiflftrf mm~; ' I'~ ~il; rr~ ;rlrT g{ I ~ 'f>R"'T If~ ~ f'" 'IITl'f m "fl'ITi(T mm lf~if;ilT'tif 00 if ft:mfm i!W ~ I ~ rt~ mTRit lfi'fiifu<;r "r am not here to distribute food but to see that food produc- ~ !A'<'Iro "IW m ~ .nm if tion increases." ~ il;f...... ~ ~ I itt f;;r~ ;ft~<, 10 75 Motion on FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Address by the Vice- 1076 President discharging the functions of the President ~r ~ i~~tll~ 1~11tf I ~~I~t' ~~i~1 ~~ 'q";r'q'l"q"'!i'f~ ~ ~ ~ ;ft;w ~ m~ ~ it l1'1ff t I if~~m lit~~~ ~< T rr@ ~ ~, it wf.t '1:1 ~ 0 '(f1f ~~ ~ : it mqiT ~ ~ ;;fT~t, ri'ti< i'fT~~f'ti~;ft~ ~i ;Ii'ii''!fr~~ m '!frmT ~ f~ '1ft ~ if ~ 'fft m'f tfcr ~I ~~~~t,~~ ftlfr \!IT ~ ~ ~ 'Ii'lf flfOfr \!IT, ~ ~ ~, if\'ICtT rr@ 'l:f ~ t , ;;riI' 6"It ~ lf~ 'iff<: f~ '1ft ~ ~ I 'iff<: m- ~ ~ 'ti ~ ~'i" if\'ICtT ~ ~ 'Ift~if~~~;rm rT~~ I ;;rpr lfTiffl cr;r ~ ~ """"" ~ '!fr ~ it Wi.ft' ;rrn ~ ;ft ;r;l'Y ~ 'f11IT ~ ~ ~, ~ 'tif 1'!'tiriI<'IT ~ , ~ 'Ii': ~, ~ ;it ;;r;rcn wf.l' ~ ;;rrf,:rq' ~ ~ ~ ;;rr;rci't ~ ~~ ~~' qo : ~ ;mIT ij; ~~~~~~~ f.>tit ':( 0 firi'fc 'tif ~ \!IT I 'm'f tft;f lfi!: ~ ~ l6T O "UIi ~ ~J ~ ~r;r;ftq ~~ : m'1 m crT ~m<'l" ;r~~f'l "~~ ~ fI!fi~1 ~' m T if itm arm 'I\""m ~ I ~ ~ - (\!:"'lilT ,..c, ~ If: ~tIfr 'If: ~~ 1f 1f ~ ~ r j f l~r~tIfr! ~t '~ii'lfit;" i ~ llf ~~ ;! ' r; ~ 'Me I~~ ~ ~~Ifii • it;" ~ ~ - ~>!tC'tr ~ 'If t;: ~ ~ ~;~~ ~ i E l I ~'r:' '" - ~Jl ~ ~ ;~'~ it;"~ \l;_ ~ <,-. ~ tv I;" t;: 1 i' wi· t, ~"~'~f~'lf i_ ; i ! ~; t ~~ ~ l'~~",",l!~ ~ti~~ t/r:' i·hi! Ii' r;: tIfrIIu:I 5 ~ ~~ '!wI! .;., ~ ,~, I~ I~, ~ ~ 1iJ! .Ii: J! -i,£ ~E, 'j !~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ _ t;''''"'iit;"j£Jr '\i; i .If: 1i ; - 2 Who. it;"~ g, 1'.0/"'"' ! ~~ it;" ~ .;1i ,! ~~ ~f '~! 'I>'T '1ft omr "''I] I l11r '3'if 'I>'T amr Shri Risbang Keishin&" (Outer Mani- If<'ICr ~ I it '3'if 'I>'T f.RT ~ pur): The Address of the Vice-Presi- I~'li"l'it~ mr~~ dent is specially significant for the t minority communities. This is pro- t f.!; 'flIT ~ r1 T, ~, ~ bably the first time that a pe,son be- mer ~ ~ "'T l11r ~ ~ lOnging to the minority community has to officiate as, and discharge the func- ~ f.!; ffi'm' iflC\' ~ ~ 'flit if ill tions of, the President of this country, ~ ~~ ~;!t ;m W, ~tf t; l11r ~ ill ~ things to be done for the protec- ~~~~ ft I~it~ tion and welfare of the minority com- munities. Nonetheless, whatever has if'lfcr m'I' if; mqif 'l;ffi ~ ~ been done for them is quite spectacular ~ 'l;ffi ~ ;ftfu ~ ~ f.!; ~ and laudable. They are certainly the manifestation of the belief of the it. ~ooo ifi Shri T. Subramanyam (BeJlary): Rec,!ntly we had an appraisal of the Sir, the Vice-Presiden t's Address to Third Plan. The Plan wanted to the joint session of Parliament is a achieve self-sufficiency in food pro- brief and factual statement of our duction by the end of the plan period main achievements in the past year -100 million tons. I am afraid we and it invites us to the task,; that face cannot achieve this. I do not see an;; us, while assuring us that Government possibility of this achievement as in would uphold the dignity and inde- 1961-82 our production was 79 mil- pendence of our country and promote lion tons and in 1962-63 77 million unity and weI! being and build social- tons. The single major factor to in- ist democratic structure peacefully crease the yield per acre is irrigation. with people's consent. Now, demll- Wherever possible, we must have it. cracy to work successfully requires We must also utilise the poten- some basic postulates: the san- tial thus created. The provision ctity of the ballot, the sovereignty in Mysore in the Plan was 40' 7 crores Motion on FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Address by the Vice- 1108 President discharging the junctions oj the President [Shri T. Subramanyam] connection, I may also say that in re- for major irrigation, while the utilisa- gard to sugar production, the period tion so far has teen 20 crores. Next of surplus was followed by a period of year provision will be about Rs. 5 severe scarcity. We have also to ex- ro~e ; the total expenditure thus port and then meet the requirements om~ to Rs. 25 erores out of Rs. 40 of our country. ;;Orne more sugar fac-· crores. Two projects are neanng tory licences should be provided and r.ompletion-the Badra and Tunga- wherevH the co-operative sector bhadra projects-in Mysore. If full takes it up, facilities must be given utilisation of the benefits has to be to them. For instance, the Kamalapur there, a larger provision has to be area of Bellary district of Mysore m d~ It is just like building ihe State has quite gOOd acreage with nine spans of a ten-span bridge and regard to sugarcane production IIIld failing to complete the one last 'pan: they have been attempting for a long it is a waste because the bridge cotud time to meet the shortage. They not be utilised. So, field ch.annels she.uld be enabled to start this fa('- and distributaries are of crucial im- tory as early as possible. portance, but they are not construct- ed in time. usually. The State Gov- ernment should be helped to attend to this. ThEn there is also the Ala- matti project in Bijapur district. It is an insurance in those famine affect- With rellard to industries, in our ed areas. There is also the Narayan· third Plan, we wanted to build up or pura project. They must be taken up lay the foundations for our reaching a now. It is not possible to have major self-sustaining and self-generating irrigation project in every area. In economy and for this pUrPose, a heavy other areas, minor irrigation schemes egilleering plant and a heavy eleco. COuld be taken up. The expenditure '.rical plant and the steel plants--all in Mysore on minor irrigation schemes these big plants-were IG play a role. comes to about Rs. 8 crores per Recently, we heard that there was an annum. Mysore has done very well accident in the Heavy Engineering in minor irrigation schemes. The next Plant. I hGpe it is not a serious thing, year prGvi5iGn is Rs. 4 crores and I and the Minister of Steel, Mines and am afraid this amount is not adequate Heavy Engineering was saying tluit and !!hGuldbe increased to Rs. 8 our production there would go accord- crores. ing to schedule. The Vice-President's Adilress also states that we have main_ tained the production in the steel plants and that they are reaching their If we create irrigation potential, near-capacity. In this context, I may and dG not distribute fertilisers in point out that in South India there time, the yield will not increase. Cen- are some places where a steel plant tral Government had planned for Gne CGuld be started. I am nGt stating it fertiliser plant fGr each State but it in a light-hearted manner. I iun mak- has nGt been fulfilled. We are far ing this remark with all the earnest- from the Third Plan target of GIle mil- ness and in all seriGusness. The Hos.. lion tons of nitrogenous fertilsers; pet-Bellary area has got, as is well We may be able to produce only known, an abundant quantity Gf the 500,000 tons of nitrogenous fertilisers richest variety of iron Gre, and it is by the end of the Third Plan. I urge neg,rly 2,000 million tGns. There is a Government to take all pGssibIe steps brood gauge line which is now being to see that these plants are started 12.id from Guntakkal to Haspet, SO according tG schedule. If private sec- that the export of iron ore from this tor does not utilise the licence, the area may he had to the tune ot near- public sector must take it up. In this ly five million tons per annum. The Motion on MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Address by the Vice- I1IO P7'eBident diBchaTging the fUnctions oj the P7'eBident wagons that come to the port, taking the British people that we will not iron ore from this area. may bring tolerate this state of things; they are back coal, either indigenous or im- working on the old balance of power ported. Japan is importing raw principle, trying to put one power materials aOd producing steel and selL against the other, to support the:wea- ing steel cheaper in other countries, ker against the strong, so that in the while we have the most precious iron ultimate analysis their position as ore in abundant quant;ties and we are povicr-hakers may be secure. using ·the transport facilities also. I submit, and I urge the Government to There is only one more matter to consider in all seriousness this aspect which I should like to reier, and that of the matter. Just now they are is the test ban treaty, the banning of considering a plant that shoUld be in- the test of atomic explosions. There cluded in the fourth Plan. They should was agreement between Russia and start a steel plant in the Bellary- the USA, and it was approved by the Hospet area, and they should also United Nations. In the outer space, start an aluminium factory in Mysore the use of nuclear weapons has-been State. There will be plenty of power banned, and that is a great contribu- there; in the course of a few months. tion. It has also been approved by three or four months, perhaps by the t ~ United Nations. It is a signifi- end of April or May, the two-'units cant contribution to the cause of peace of the Sharavati project are likely to and disarmament, and for achieving go into production. and power will be this, I must say that the one single available. Therefore, an aluminium personality who has been greatly res- plant could be started. It is a must. I ponsible for achieving this easing of urge the Government to enable this tension is our Prime Minister. What- Plant to be started in the public sec- ever other people may Say with re- tor. gard to him pprsonally in derogatory terms, history will record that he has played the greatest and noblest part r shall refer to two factors in the in easing the tension of the world at international situation. Recently, the present. British representative at the Security Councii almost rated and equated lndia with Pakistan in the matter of Dr. L. M. Singhvi (Jodhpur): Mr. our behaviour and treatment of our Deputy-Speaker, Sir, at the outset, I minorities. what has taken place wish to express my anxiety regarding actually during the last 15 years? It the health of our President and that is' a sad state. The only solution that of the Prime Minister. Our President's Pakistan seems to have is to eliminate profound wisdom and seasoned coun- the minorities and drive them out, and sel is as invaluable to the Republic as to add insult to injury, they are say- the Prime Minister's leadership is to in" that it is the Indian people and the miscellaneous entourage wh:ch the Indian Government who are invit- comprises the Congress party which ing the miRorities to come out from rules us, because his leadership givea East Pakistan and that they are res- unity and cohesion to the Government ponsible for the exodus and for these and the party in power. His health is people to leave East Pakistan. It is of profound national concern as my addinJ: insult to injury. And then hon. friend Shri Chatterjee had the Brit:sh representative at the Unit- oocasion to observe. We wish both ,'<1 Nation, supports the position that the President and the Prime Minister na' l>oen taken up by Pakistan. He speedy recovery and continued health. wants to reopen all the questions that have been settled, the question of ac- I agree with my friends who have ce",ion of Kashmir, which is complete. pleaded that the Prime Minister'" We should make it absolutely plain to burden and strain of departmental res- 1111 Motion on FEBRUARY 17, 1964 AddTess by the Vice- I1I2 PTesident discharging the functions of the President [Dr. L. M. Singhvi] o l~i ilitie and duties should cease sive human factor in this situation in torthwith to undermine his health, promoting this possibility I feel that although I think those who insisted eVEn under the collective Troika which on the appointment of a Deputy Prime has come to rule us, the concept of Min:ster, in the context of succession collective responsibility and collective -I repeat and underline thae expres- working has suffered substantial set.- sion "in the context of succession"- back. It continues to be relegated to are unwitting victims of an undemo- th.! background. Inter-ministerial .::c- cr!ltic approach. A Cabinet Govern- ordination today is at a very low ebb. ment 's a Government by equals I would like the Government to tell among whom the Prime Minister is us why, for example, jute and textile only primus inteT paTes. To counten- departments were taken away vir- ance a secundus inter pares or a tually wrested from the Minis- third among equals in order to solve try of International Trade, if tile problem of succession, as it is cur- what we read in the papers is cor- rently described, is actually to dis- rect, and how it would foster a more countenance the true nature of Cabinet efficient and more co-ordinated imple- Government. In my opinion, ft would mentation of policies particularly for undermine our parliamentary institu- ~~~ e promotion of international ti:a;1e. tions. The very word succession, as it .h;te is an export commodity, alia nor- i'8 being currently used, and bandied Mally we would have t'l n~, t ~ i;s about, in my submission, is a retro- continuanl'E' with the Ministr" of In- grade anathema to democratic prin- ternational Trade WOuld have been ciples. The desire to designate a suc- more conducive to efficient function- cessor to the Prime Minister' evinced ing. The rumour is at large that this in ert ~n sections of the Congress change was a consequence of some party, as indeed even among the Op- wire-pulling and if this is so we would position quarters, is born of an undue certainly like to know whether attachment to the concept of politi- this is only on~ of the many cal certainty, a phenomenon which instances of deliberate attempt to un- is very rare in democratic politics. I dermine co-ordination in the Gover!l- think that it is almost an infantile ment. I would also like, for example, wish. Do we not remember that Sir to question the Government in res- Anthony Eden who was groomed for pect of the scrapping of the working- occ1l!PYing the distinguililhed position time agreement with the Indian J'Jte of Prime ini ter ~ in Great Bri- Mills Association. The decision n' ~ tain proved unequal to the task when be sound but I should like to kn lW the crisis came in that country? There how it came to be announced witl:,'ut fore, to try to designate a successor to o~ lt tion, I hear that is so with the the Prime Minister and to seek to Minister of International Trade, I solve this problem in advance is really should like to know whether it is not to try an impractical proposition in a fact that just preceding the ~n democratic politics. What is really nouncement of the ~ in of the needed is the emergency of a strong working-time agreement this actually and capable, resilient and responsive led to a very large volume of specula- collective leaderlilhip at once r ~ti nl tive business in the country and if so, ind dedicated, an to facilitate this anti why this extraordinary volume of work for the emergence of such a speculative business could not have leadership should be the supreme task been anticipated by the Government of the Prime Minister at th's stage in before it announced the scrapping of the country's history. the working-time agreement. The PrimE Minister has a stature 11. e other day when I initiated a whiCh would enable h;m to be a decl- discussion on rural water supply. the Motion on MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Address by the Vice- 1114 IIl3 President discharging the junctions of the PTesident Union Health Minister came forward the one thing that matters most to all with the plea t)1at she is answerable of us. only in respect Of the Rs. 16 crores out of Rs. 67 crores allocated for the In this connection, I would like to purpose in the third Plan, and that draw attention to the ~tre of famine there were various other departments whioh looms l..rge in my state of and Ministries which will have to Raj asthan as indeed also in parts answer in order to complete the pic- of Gujarat and Punjab in a lesser ture. This is not a very happy situa- measure. It is true that monies have tion, becaUSe it leads to a chaotic, been allocated; it is true that the pervasive confusion all round in the Union Agriculture Minister told me machinery of the Government. I the other day t ~ Ae has done every- ahould also like to know what has thing that is possible and that he has happened to the working of the Eco- '~ed to give all that is asked for nomic and Defence Coordination by the Government of Rajasthan. But Ministry which was entrusted to Mr. my personal contacts and my exten- krisllnamachari and in which field he sive tours in the constituency which is had begun to make a sizeable and farnine-striken and the area to which I path-breaking impact and whether belcng have convinced me that there that work is being carried out with is a very small measure of govern- the same gusto Or it is being abandoned mental assistance which has actually because the work of coordination re ~ ed the villager. There is very beginning to step on many depart- little done to alleviate the lot of the mCI,tal toes and ministerial shoes. villagers. t"griculture in Rajasthan a'ld The mid-term appraisal of the third some parts of Gujarat and Punjab· Plan has revealed a sordid state of cOht;nues to be bedevilled by na- affairs on the economic front. On the tural calamities and factors, the eft'ecf admission of the Government and the of which we have not been able to planning machinery itself, we have mitil(ate even after 16 years of plan- failed to achieve the physical targets ned "ft'ort. It is to the lasting discre- and we have failed to arrive any nea- dit of the administration which has rer in a significant measure to a self- failed to implement policies, to redeem cenerating state of our economy. It pledges given by the Government. I appears to me that the annual growth will give you an instance to illustrate rate of national income has declined the State Government's indift'erence to· from 7.1 per cent in 1960-61 to 2' 2 per the sufferings of the people Of the cent in 1961-62 in real terms and 2 per famine-striken areas. The Govern- cent in 1962-63. T!le performance in ment announced through its collector the field of agriculture is still worse. in the district to which I belong that I should like that the Government they would provide work to the· to tell this House, when some of the famine-strlken people on the Ganga Ministers rise to reply to the debate on Canal area and that they would give behalf of the Government, as to why a wage of Rs. 2: 50 per day to every it is that the Plan continues to be em- worker Who is sent under the parvana bedded in unrealistic m tion ~ from the collectorate, presumably and why it is that we are told one under the authority of the State GC\V- thing and when it comes to implemen- ernment. When these wOl'kers reach- tation, we are told that the Govern- ed the Ganga Canal area for work, ment could not make it. I would like they not only did not find any living in this respect to recommend to Gov- accommodation for themselves. they ernment very strongly that they must not only die'> not find any grain shops henceforward undertake an annual re- for them. but they also found that the view of the performance of the plan, promised wage of Rs. 2' 50 was over- an annual appraisal, so that the coun- night reduced 1:<. either Re 1 or merely try is kept properly informed abol!t 75 nP ir different cases (s this the IllS Motion on FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Addrus by the Vice- I1I6 PreBicfent discharging the functions of the President I Dr. L. M. Singhvi] larger and longer. Corruption brew" !'tate of affairs which obtains in this in tl-,e fertile soil of bure!lucratic de- ('ountry and yet, the Government can lais and inertia. The Vigilance Com- proclaim its adherence to democratic mi ~ion is certainly a welcome mo·/e. pl-inciples? IS this the kind of indiff- But I would like to ask the Home erence which can be allowed to prevail M:nister as to why he is not willing in a democratic set-up? I submit that to have a regular Ombudsman with unless the Government is prepared to the requirement of laying its reports make a m:lssive effort to ameliorate on the Table of this House each year the situation in places like e ~ on a statutory basis. I should like to Rajasthan where there is dire poverty know how Mr. Nanda hopes to redeem and pathetic suffering, the problems i~ bold pledge that he has given to ",.'11 find no solution. eradicate corruption in the country within a period of 2 years. I want to I have suggested several times on knaw whether he stands by that pled- the floor of this House that for the ge and whether he would think that problems of the western region of he has failed to redeem this pledge Rajast..l:lan, the Government must es- and therefore to fulfil the duties of hi3 tablish an authority like the Desert office, in case he is not able to fulfil Development Authority, which would this promise. be able to coordinate the various .cheme. for the development of those areas. The areas Of western Raja.- This year is the year of Kamaraj than are almost as backward and Plan, also known as Yamaraj Plan. In ~le r tin this new innovation or long-suffering as some of the eastern rather the newly acquired ideological. districts of U.P. I think these pro- baggage, the leaders of the country blems have to be tackled on an emer- !!ency basis. have regaled Us with a great deal of pious platitudes and resounding rheto- In a similar way, the Government ric. I should like to knaw whether have failed to redeem their pledges in they do not realise that the malady is the field of rural water-supply, much deeper than such superficial in- rural electrification, slum-clearance nov!ltions and if that is so, merely and providing medical and health laundering old clothing or even &C- care in the villages. The othe,. q11lrmg new baggage would not da" the Health Minister said that necessarily solve OUr national problem. they were not willing to con- sider setting up more medical col·- 1 should like t" knuw whether it is leges because of the non-availability not realised by our leadership that th., of sufficient trained personnel for Kamaraj Plan has already begun to teaching. This gives the lie to the disintegrate anrl \0 disappoint. proclamations contained in the Plan. If we are not going to have more Shri Tyacl (Dehra Dun): 1 thought medical colleges, how is 'he Health it was not a Government Plan. Mini.ter going to provide the country with the necessary medical personnel Dr. L. M. I ~ i Since it has to look after our rural population? affected the Government, 1 am sure Is it only to show US a picture of a Mr. Tyagi would concede me tht' mirage whlch we will never attain? right of discussing it. At on., Is it only to deceive the people that t;me it did shake up the very founda- the Plan .proclaims that all the pro- tion of the Government in the country blem. will bp solved by the end of and it may yet be the source of that t ~ fourth Plan and each time the! shake-up in the future. target advanced to the next Five Yer,r Plan? At any rate, 1 would like to know, Bureaucracy is eating into the vitals Sir. whether this controvl'ry between of our democracy. Red-tape ;s getting democracy and socialism again ignorH .JIll Motion on MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Address by the Vice- J 118 President discharging the functions of the President the facts, the realities of the deeper guarded as they should be. I wish to maladies that afflict our body politic. say here that the areas in the border You cannot improve your son's region should be looked after better, grammar by giving him a new foun- they should be visited by our leaders ta:n-pen! And any number of "foun- more often. tain:pens" that the Congress leadership might buy and give to this organi- And I end, Sir, by expressing the sation would not improve its function- hope that Government would show a ing. What the country wants is that somewhat greater willingness to listeR the Government should deliver the to constructive thinking and sugges- goods, and it is an earnest of its de- tions in the country rather than dis- dication to really deliver the goods that playing a closed mind to every new We are anxious to have. To hope that idea that happens to emanate note this will usher in a new era, from their own rank and file but from ·which has been promised to us for others. It is in this that they can per- long, is in my humble opinion to haps give a promise to the country of teether on the brink of hallucination. delivering the goods, or at least a part What we want is something bet- of the goods which they have been ter than hallucination to which, I promising Us for a long time. think. we have by now become quite Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Shrimati allergic. ,Tyotsna Chanda. In respect of the continuance of the Shri Priya Gupta (Katihar): I want emergency I would like to say only to make just one submission. this much that it has ceased to satisfy the basic test of a clear and present Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Order, order. threat of external aggression, and No submission now. therefore it has ceased to have a Shrimati Jyotsna Chanda. rationale for its continuance. I think Shri Priya Gupta: ••• it is high timE' that the Government considered either lending a sense of Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Order, order. urgency to this state of emergency or These remarks will not form part 01. ·scrapping the emergency itself. the record. I would like to end by saying that Shrimati Jyotsna Chanda. in the present state of international Shrimati Jyotsna Chanda (CaClbar): "tension where we find ourselves some- Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the Vice- what friendless. as in the Security President in his thoughtful addreSIJ Council debate recently on Kashmir. has referred to the problem of the we must strengthen our defences and large influx of Hindu refugees from show a somewhat greater security- East Pakistan, and the Central Gov- consciousness. This year bad been a ernment has made it clear that the ·year of discovering many an problem of Hindu refugees from East 'espionage apparatus. And if Pakistan is a national problem and a 'the Government fails to make a real. national responsibility. But in ow: a substantial effort to show itS'elf preoccupation with the problem of as a security-conscious government, Hindu refugees, we should not under- it would have failed the country. estimate the problem 'Of Muslim infil- I hope, Sir, that this Government trati'On from East Pakistan into Assam, 'Would show an adequate measure of Tripura and West BengaL This too ·security-consciousness and that they is a national problem threatening would see to it that our western bor- India's security and th-e solution of -ders, particularly 1n view of our in- this problem is also a national res- creasing differences wi th Pakistan, ponsibility. would be better guarded. I may say that at present they:are not as well -.. 4'Not recorded. ~ i ~ 1II9 Jfotiow on J'EBRUARY 17, 1964 Address by the Vice- 1120- President discharging the junctions of the President [Shrimati Jyotsna Chanda] households and there should be fre- On the basis of the figures released quent police checks to detect infiltra- by the 1961 census of Pakistan and tion. Those guilty of infiltration India, it has been estimated by the should be rounded up and sent to 1961 Census Commissioner of India Dandakaranya or to any other project that the migration of Muslims into for road construction work for a mini- Assam, West Bengal, Tripura and mum period of two years after which Pumea District of Bihar has been of they should be deported to East Pakis- the order of 10,33,000 during the tan. Again, I must point out that decade 1951-1961. The Government there is nothing very rash in regard must do everything in its pOwer to to such compulsory registration. Dur- put a stop to the Muslim infiltration ing each census enumeration there is from East Pakistan. This is not a a complete house-listing which is new problem, but it is time some new oompulsory. And such registration measures are adopted in this regard. will also be in the interests of Mus- I wish to submit two specific pro- lim security, as the police will be in posals for dealing with this problem a position to take effective steps if for the consideration of the House and they are posted with all the relevant . the Government. information . Before I conclude, I wish to refer First, a border security zone should briefly to the problem of Hindu refu- be created in the States bordering gee migration from East Pakistan. It East Pakistan, namely, West Bengal, is an agonising reality which we must Tripura and Assam, extending twenty face that the HindUs cannot live any miles from the border in these States more in East Pakistan. It is not and all along the border; and all the humanly possible for them to live any Muslim population in these areas more there, as there is no security of should be resettled in other parts of life, property, honour and respect. India. I must make it absolutely Nearly one crore of Hindus are still clear that I am not pleading for an there. We cannot wait for periodic exdbange of population. All I am outbursts of violence in East Pakistan .aying is that the Muslim population to think of the Hindu minority there. 'Yithin twenty miles of the East Pakis- Our Planning Commission, while pre- ,8n border should be settled at least paring the Fourth Five Year Plan twenty miles away from the border. must make adequate provision for the Wherever necessary, proper compen- phased migration and resettlement of astion should be paid to those who all the Hindus from East Pakistan. cannot be suitably resettled. This Top priority should be ·given to the resettlement of whole villages was Dandakaranya Development Project, done when the DVC dams were built. the Rajasthan Canal projects and so There are several other instances of on. TIle refugee problem is not mere- such resettlement. For example, when ly a political problem. If lakhs of a new airport or a refinery is built, refugees pour in the States of Assam whole villages are displaced. So in and West Bengal, their economy will :the interest of national security, if be completely disrupted. So, instead there is resettlement of part of the of depending on the prevailing politi- border population, such a step should cal climate which will determine the not be regarded as abnormal. There magnitude of the influx of refugees is reaSOn to believe that the Pakistan from Ea5! Pakistan, it wil! be more Government actively helps the Mus- realistic if the Planning Cammisslon lim infiltration jnto India. draws its Fourth Plan on the assump- Secondly, in the areas where there tion that almost all the Hindus in East are large Muslim pockets in the cities, Pakistan will migrate to India in the towns and villages of Assam, Tripura near future. and West Bengal, there should be Speaking for Assam, I cannot have compulsory registration of all Muslim a sense of optimism about the pros- 1J2I Motion on MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) AM'" 1 by the Vice- II22 Prcsia, "t 1.1' .charging the functio::.l of the Presidc1.t peets of improving the economic con- crying everyt'.' 'g. Th U u'"" ~ ~ ~~J -,.! lIi\ ~'flf lIT~ : 'flIT 'FT!! ,-",J,I,o J,.. - oJ':; ~;I ,~ t ~ ....,5 1.. .. .11.. ,,-,l.. ,..::",1 4!! ..w. J~ ," ~ ,.t.\.!,.--,lj4 ,.) -J,... - L1J !s' , ~ .... ,_,ol 1.. 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U'&A ~ C;i ,..!I - ~ "';Ii. i. ~ ~ , ,~ ~ ... y "I ,',sU ,s ...;,... ='-1 ..;,s 4 A -.IJ wT ~, - A l~ 4.S ~ da,!,i ,~ 4$ ~ X u,A ,,~, ,." I( U"I ,1 ~ 1,)'It-ti ol l~ .,sl... uu" ,5 .J.:af>ol U'" U'" U'''' J~! J. ,... - ~ l:;\a...sfl -l'" 4llt~ 1.I.d$ 1,)1>-- - ~ l~ ~ l , "'~ Shrl Ranga: He has been putting A .uestionll and issuing challenges to ' ' ~' , ~ ,,1 uti> ~ j6 us. He has not been under fire by d'PA - , 4~ 4l'il anybody. ut" 4T ,s ~ - I,.. ~ ..,....* ~ & A 'fsol JWr. Deputy-Speaker: He should conclude now, ;, ~ ~, ~, I,,, t~ 'f~~ ,~ U*" ,.l!J ,.iiI ,...: .JU- -st-'- 4!! u"'''4 I:>',..!I - ~, ~ ;' ~ .r I, ~ ~;, 1,).... ,.) ...;,.. - li'.itl I .l,., 1,.-.:; u,..x "I r 0&1,., ',..,0) In paragraph 29 the i e re i~ent -f has referred to the theft of the holy relic from the Hazratbal Shrine. We are happy that the hOly relic has u,s ,~ IJ"" uoolt IJ~T been found, but there is a curious fact that when the holy relic was stolen, ..,..1 IJ"" JS is utA u:..t,. some Hindu idols were also stolen in Jammu. These two things happened ,sf u'- Ii _"" v,a ~ .:..lr-t..J,'i at the same time. Let us also consi- ~ 't ~" der other things. Before these two Il,; - ,s ;.--"; things happened, Pakistan tried to ... ,s .J ~ o .... ;'~I ~ ,s create trouble on our borders. There was also shooting. Pakistan tried to .l,- ~, I is 4' ",,0) ~t'" snatch away Bome territory on our border and we were trying to defend IJ'"I!x ""',,~ bU c.., ~tl ~t it. At that time Pakistan thought of approaching the Security Council, ..J c"- I.J"I Uu., "" - 1, IIt~ .frO and mv feeling is that, in order to ~;llri strengthen their case, there has been "...t.S tJ c..,s ', .. tl-- a conspiracy in Kashmir to steal thls .:;!.. 1. I.J"I c..,s .. i ~ ,,1 ~~ holy relic and the idols. But fortun- ately, the people of Kashmir behaved tf ='-1 U"/ ~, - f.4 1 Jl1 ~ well. Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, all united in mourning, and they were - ~ cJL..-rT one. and F dkistan failed there. But then, l~t n thought of creating Shri P. R. Patel (Patna): We are trouble at other places, and that was grateful to the Vice-President for done in East Pakistan. We-know the his Address to us. horrors committed there. Some re- action also was found in Calcutta. 15.31 hrs. This is very bad. Any citizen of our [DR. SAROJINI MAmsm in the Chair] country, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or Christian, has got equal rights, equal The Vice-President has referred to status, and they have as much claim Uganda and Kenya and expressed joy over this country as you and I have, over the. freedom they have achiev- and the safety of anyone is the con- ed. We are very happy that these cern of one and alL I am very glad parts of Africa have won freedom. that goondaism in Calcutta was The days of colonial rule are over, checked, but in East Pakistan people and no country has a right to rule over suffered a lot. We are told that some another country_ But after the inde- 20.000 persons were killed. that some pendence of these countries, the villages and houses have been burnt, plight of the Indians staying there that girls have been kidnapped and has become such that they have had abducted. All this happened in East to leave the country, their safety has Pakistan. While on this side we become a matter of great COncern to tried to check goondaism, there it them. Our High Commissions there was encouraged_ I am of opinion will have to look into the matter and that we must be now firm. Se far as lee that the interests and safety of our dealings with Pakistan are eon- our people there are looked after. cerned, let us be very clear on one Pec"de are coming back to our coun- point. namely that the question of try with all their belongings and I Kashmir does not arise. Kashmir Is hope the Finance Minister will be part and parcel of India, there cannot kind to them and give them some be any question regarding it. There IIS9 Motion. Oft FEBRUARY 17, 1964 AddTU. bll the Vice- n60 Prendent dischurging the junctions of the Pruident [Shri P. R. Patel] The poor man's wife is insulted b;r may be other questions, but not this one and all. A weak nation is not question. And any incursion on our respected anywhere in the world. borders should be replied to with Ours is a big country. Our past a torce, if necessary. We are a civi- glorious. We are not weak. But we lized people, but our civilization are not firm. Whatever be the risk, should not go to the extent of weak- when the question of honour comes, ness. 1 would prefer to use force, we must face the danger and as a rather than submit to weakness and consequence of that, if there be a call myself civilized. Because of the war, I would invite a war rather weakness we show, whether it is than be humiliated in the world. civilized or not, we are losing our The NEFA reverses had brought friends. In the Security Council the humiliation to us and to our honour British representatives said something and so long as we do not pay back annoying to us. 1 was a student of the NEFA reverses with compound history. I have read English history interest, I am of opinion we would with pride, I have respect for the not be able to command respect of the English people, their love of freedom ?ther countries. So, the first thing and justice. The people of England 18 • to make ourselves strong, deter- have fought for freedom and jWltice nuned and firm. Let us be prepared against their own rulers. to face any risk. But we should not allow ourselves to be humiliated in Shri Sham Lal Saraf: Where they the world. themselvell are concerned, not for others. Shri P. B. Patel: But when I read The need of the hour is more pro- the speech of the British representative duction, industrial and agricultural. [ thought it was an insult to ~ We want more factories, we should British people. The British people be able to produce more arms and armaments. When there is no war, mould think over the matter, that is we can produce other essential things. my feeling. We, on our part, should Our progress today is not sufficient extend our hand of friendship, but if that hand is not accepted with honour and we are quarrelling, whether there ~o ld nationalisation or not, pub- and we are insulted, let us say good- be bye to the British friendship. We do lic sector or private sector. Having not care for friendship when the ques- accepted mixed economy, We should fltrget all those things and make our- tion of honour a involved. I would submit that on this point we should ~el e strong enough to f.ace anybod,. be rather strong and e1!ective. In the world. That is my view. In the Security Councu Britain went against us. What was our repre- Our Vice-President has said that our altricultural progress is not satis- .entative in London doing? It is his factory; production is going down. 'It duty acquaint our Govemment to would not astonish anybody as while with the attitude the British Gov- or talking about increased agricultural ernment. The High Commission is production, we do not see the hurdles meant for that. It is not only to and obstacles coming in the way. provide jobs. I think our High For instance, the price of crude oil Commission has failed. We were not about 4-5 years back was &s. 45 a intimated, and I think our High Commission failed in creating the barrel; on account of increased duties necessary public ,opinion there. the same costs today &s. 92 or &s. 93 We requested the Government to There is a proverb in Gujarati and I reduce the excise duties or subsidise may be permitted to refer to it: the crude oil used in agriculture. Nothing is done. In this way, are Ghurib ki ;oru sub ki bhubi. you going to have more production? u6J Motion on MAGHA 211, l885 (SAKA) Addrel$ by the Vice- u6a President discharging the fUnctiOftS of the president You will see in the country that the rural population. In Delhi, after about 16.5 million acres were irrigat- the clean sweep by the Kamaraj ed by wells in 1958-59, and today, per- plan, the power-intoxicated Ministers, haps the acreage may be about 20 and should I say, communist-indoc- million. This is done by wells. For trinated members on the Treasury irrigation, oil engines are used. To Benches, are living in an atmosphere propel oil engines crude oil is requir- of smugness and self-complacency; ed. If the crude oil is taxed and the fed with an overdose of content- agriculturists are put in a condition ment, they are, so to say, oblivious to use less, who will suffer? The of the sufferings of the common man. agriculturists will suffer and the The contagion has spread from the country will suffer, I wish this time Treasury Benches and infected a the Finance Minister will look into battalion of Lilliputians behind them, the matter. and today, the chess-board of power politics is one which has been set am of opinion it is the duty of ready for the game, ''Who after the Ministry of Agriculture to look into Nehru?". the matter, but the Ministry of Agri- culture is concerned with importing We on this side, however, are very food from outside rather than to look much concerned over the recent ill- after more production. And the ness of Our Prime Minister, and the latest move of the Ministry of Agri- confusion it has created in the admi- culture has pained me, namely, the nistration. Mathematically three restriction put on the movement of angles of a triangle may be equal to gur. That has benefited the middle- one another, but such a proposition men, the profiteers and the black- in political science is an absurdity. marketeers as if the Ministry of We have seen that the confusion has Agriculture has come to the rescue become worst confounded by the of black-marketers and profiteers; appointment of a joint triumvir to and it has done great harm to the run the administration. I have got producers because they get less. In nothing personally against the trium- lIapur you will see that gur is sold vir, but the Prime Minister would do at Rs. 20 a maund and that very gur well to cut the Gordian knot by is sold in Gujarat at Rs. 75 to Rs. 80. appointing the first among the equals Who has benefited? The poor people and thus ending the confusion and of Gujarat have to pay more. So chaos that has set in. also the people of the whole country. The producers get less for themselves. H you take a glimpse of the rural India, you see a more ghastly (Interruption). Is this the way of will looking after the agriculturists? H spectacle-indescribable poverty and misery in every village, a daily ·this is the work of the Ministry of Agriculture, I would say, let the Min- income of. between 19 and 31 nP for istry be abolished absolutely and let over half of the population; popula- the people be allowed to have their tion increase outstripping national own say. income growth, illiteracy stin bet- ween 70 to 80 per cent, caste's apar- Dr. B. N. Singh (Hazaribagh): Mr. theid spreading within society like a 'Chairman, while offering my deep fungus disease, an epidemic here and gratitude to the Vice-President for a famine there, corruption in the his kind Address, I am unable to police, graft in Government, cynic- associate myself with the policies of ism and patronage in higher politics, the Nehru Government as enunciated bullying and intimidation in lower, in the Address. Empty words of the gloom and frustration written large Government; words without any pith on the face of the people. and substance, do tend to make much sound but achieve precious little by An Hon. Member: Side by side we 'way of ameliorating the conditions of have the Kamaraj Plan. Motion on FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Address by the V'ice- 1164 Pruident discharging the fUnctions of the PrlMident !Dr. B. N. Singh: That has got no through the establ:shment of public relevancy in our discussion. sector and through comprehensive centralised planning and by nationali- This spectral sight is the result of sation of the private sector. The same 16 years of muddled thinking, waste- thing the communist countries have ful spending, dogmatic regimentation been trying to do very much before and ruthless exploitation by a mono- India atta'ned independence through polistic system at tAe State working the system known as 'scientific social- through its not very reliable and ism". Many countries in Europe like effiden t machine, the bureaucracy or Austria, Switzerland, Sweden and its not very knowledgeable agents, Great Britain have experi1nented with the ministers. this socialist technique of planning, but finding it unsuitable have changed The writers of the President's ever to. other systems. Even in the Address have adrOitly tried b cover Communist countries today they have up unpleasant facts in a eeautiful progressively seen that scientific bouquet Of beautiful words. How- socialism does not yield the desired ever dexterous the attempt to equi- results or helped in the rapid vocate and despite prolixity those econom'c growth Of the country. So, that can discern, at the very first the swing today in all the advanced glance, can see the disdainful indiffer- countries of the world is away from ence of the Nehru Government to the both centralised planning and State enormous sufferings of the people. ownership, and in spite of the miserable failures of our Plans our From Avadi to Bhuvaneswar, the Prime Minister is stubbornly clinging pseUdo-communists have been swear- on to both State enterprise and com- ing by socialism, only each has his prehensive planning. own understand'.ng of what this much-used word means. Very rightly The Bhuvaneswar resolution brazer!. C. E . M. Joad has Observed that facedly speaks of being able to provide "Socialism was like a hat which had substantially the bas'c needs of the 100st its shape because too many people by the end of the Fifth Frve people had worn it". At Avadi, the Year Plan. After a decade from ConlITess Party started with speaking today the Government will be able to of a "socialistic pattern of society"; make available, say, a pittance of subsequently the aim was changed to Rs. 30 for every person a month to "Socialist Cooperatlve Commonwealth" enable him to buy the necessities of ann now this has been replaced by life. "A pie in the sky when you die" "Socialist State based on parlia- business, Madam, cannot be tolerated mpntary democracy" which is equated any further. After this shocking and with "Democratic Socialism"-high shameful revelation the bel! has tolled sounding words indeed! No one, for the Congress to pack up and however, has ever cared to explain walk out. how these terms differ from one another. Probably the Congre" Many Members here have spoken on periorHcally feels the necessity of Kashmir and international affairs. But evolving new terms for much the I would like first to deal with the food sam" re ~on wh'ch impels to manu- front in India. India being an agri- f"durer of consumer p:oods to offer cultural country where over 70 per them in new packages from time to cent of its popUlation live by farming time. I would. at the outset. I'ke to see how democratic 'Socialism has helped In the name of socialism, the the great mass of agriculturists. CO'lgress Government since the last ThrouM wrong handling of the food 16 years has been pretending to pro- portfolio both at the centre and in vide the basic necessities of life the State and constant interference II65 Motion on MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Address by the Vice- 1166- PTeBident discharging the :/unctions of the PTerident from impractical theorists, the produc_ of this, 6.74 million heciares are tion at edible products, as is evident pr:vate plots belonging to Kolkhoz from the reports on the Plans, has and other category of private workers, fallen very considerably. Change the i.e. 3' 3 per cent of all cultivated· cook and the food tastes good, is a lands. In the year 1961 potatoes were proved old adage, but it does not sown in 8.9 million hectares of which' necessarily follow from this that 4.3 million belonged to collective change the Food M'nister and the farms and 4.6 mill'on to private food will grow well. With each change workers. The harvest from the State at the Food Minister the fOOd policy farm was 30.8 million tons while from of the Government has changed with the private farms 53' 5 million toni detrimental effect both on the pro- The average yield thus works out to ducers and the consumers. 7-1 tons per hectare in collective farm and 11.6 tons per hectare in farms belong'ng to private workers. The Even after 16 years of socialistic figures are revealing indeed. regime of Pandit Nehru and his sycophants, hundreds of thousands of 16.00 hrs. emaciated Indians impoverished by the Government are living today semi-starved barely on one unnutri- Now, Sir, permit me to give YOll t've meal a day, while money by the comparative figures of production as billions have been squandered on between a free enterprise country, utterly unproductive and useless pro- i.e., the U.S.A. and a totalitarian jects by the Government. An army of country, the U.S.S.R. The figures have statisticians is kept busy in the Yojana been worked out by the able econo- Bhavan every day working out clever mist Karl Brandt. He says: ind'ces to befool the agriculturists. "In the USA with 8.5 per cent of national labour, i.e., 7' 4 million Not being able to achieve machine workers the product'on is over' manufactured figures in the fields the 200 million tons of grains, 3 m'llion blame is thrown on the wrong imple- tons of sugar, 20 million tons of' mentation of the Plan, the vagaries of meat and eggs, over 60 million tons nature and other things and the wrath of milk, 35 million tons of fruits and of the all powerful Government has vegetables or 315 mill'on tons of fallen on the millions of small agri- edible products plus 3.5 million tons culturists. of cotton and 1 million tons of' tobacco." L-nmediately comes the Gopaband- hunagar resolution to our rescue with Of Rrn;sian agriculture Mr. Brandt a magical remedy. The resolution says notes: that in the case of uneconomic hold- ings it is important that the unit of " . . that after 40 years of brutal cultivat'on is enlarged on a co- experiment of collectivisation operative basis. So the stress once Sov'et Russia produces with 4~ again is on State ownership of land times the number of farm workers through co-o,.,erative to bring about i.e. 33 million workers, 60 per cent increase in production. Years of at what America produces. One exper'mentatlon with joint co-opera- American farmer produces food for tive and collective farming have shown himself and 24 othe"s. A Soviot far- disastrous results on production of mer produces enough for him.elf foodgrains. By way of elucidation, Sir, and 4 others. In short. the rela- I would like to submit that in the tively free U.S.A. farmer is six times USSR 204.6 million hectares of land more productive than the enslaved' is under agricultural cultivation. Out Russian farmer." Motion on FEBRUARY 17, 1964 Address by the Vice- 1168 President discharging the junctions of the President [Dr. B. N. Singh] for long keep it from returning except Mr. Khrushchev, Sir, I must admit, by the force of something personally and all credit goes to him, unlike his gained. Rajaji has sa'd that there can predecessors in office, has kept an be no better psychological force than open mind. Addressing a meeting in linking incentive with production. Bucharest in June 1962 he observed: This incent:ve must be kept secure "It takes brains and capital to against all onslaughts from the Gov- ernment, against all trespass, legal or catch up with the United States. illegal. At a meeting of agricultural -workers he said: I am not against planning or social- ism. What I am against is this Soviet "The more important thing is type of planning, the defective to make people interested in the policies, wrong priorities, dogmatic realisation of this task, to create thonking and the uSe of coercive material incentive for them." methods to achieve wrong ends. Pro- At a party meeting in 1962 fessor Milton Friedman, one of the Mr. Khrushchev suggested. world famous economists says of Indian Planning: "that it may even be necesoary to forget certa'n unworkable com- '"!'here is a right way and a munist economic theories and wrong way to do most things. This imitate those capitalist methods whole paraphernalia which in this which have proved so successful in country goes by the name of free enterpriSe societies." planning is bad planning because it is almost guaranteed to defeat Whhe Mr. Khrushchev is thinking rather than promote your . on new lines to gain self-sufficiency in objectives." food the Indian policies still flow fro~ the half-baked marxist thinking Let us adopt planning on the French of our Prime M:.nister. The democratiC pattern, that is, "planning by con- socialism of the Congress like the sent" where the middle way has been marxist theory to obliterate wants accepted between the traditional the peasant as a class in Stalin style liberal market economy and the by putting agriculture on a factory to detailed, centralised and authoritarian. basis i.e., by reducing the farmer to type of planning. If one goes through the status of landless labour who the French Plan which is now com- would totally be at the merey of the pleting 20 years of its life one omnipotent State. What else can be would be struck by the insigrtificant the motive in bringing this monstrous role plaYed by coercion in trying to Constitution Seventeenth Amendment mould the behaviour of the private Bill? sector as between the carrot and the stick and the French authorities have Like Karl Marx, who has charac- always preferred, wherever possible, terised peasants as "petty bourgeoise", the carrot. Unfortunately, in India it as unstable and reactionary class, who is just the other way round and this must be kept under strict regimenta- Congress Government does not for a tion, the Congress socialist dogmatism moment hesitate to amend the Consti- is trying to destroy the 'independence tution and thUs abridge the funda- of the farmer who happens to be a mental rights of the citizens to devoted soldier of freedom. overcome an obstacle in the imple- As in Agriculture, so in all fields of mentation of the Dorective Princples. production where incentive has been Every change in the constitutional robbed and where there is too much structure is justified by the leadership of interference from the top, inertia as being progressive-in effect prog- sets in. We cannot remove inertia or ressing towards party despotism. :u69 Motion on MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Address by the Vice- 1170 President discharging the functions of the President Fundam2ntal rights enshrined in our to the subje<:t for today's disellljlsion, Constitution are no gift frOm Pandit I take this opportunity of expressing Nehru to the citizens Of India to be my deep sense of gratitude to The wantonly nibbled at by the Cangress Almighty for restoring the Prime Government. In all true democracies M:ruster to his health. I wish him a of the world, fundamental rights are longer life, becaUSe I feel, whatever there in recognition and confirmation might be my difference with the Of dignity and f~eedom, coeval with Administration, that he is to a great birth in a civilized country. Democracy extent indispensable, by virtue of his and democratic socialism of the positive contribution to the political Nehru pattern cannot coexist. The well and social life of the country by known British Economist Graham virtue of his eminence an1 interna- Hutton has said: tional status and the respect he commands from the civIlised nations "Private property, private enter- of the world.. prise and private enterprisers provide a democracy's dynamics. I begin my discussion nvw on the Take these away and you take away Pres.ident's Address. It takes only a both democracy and its dynamics." scant note of the sufferings and ·Ours is a democratic republic and miseries of West Bengal Muslims India has already adopted a demo- during the recent disturbances that ·cratic Constitution. This democratic took place in Calcutta and the adjoin- ing districts of that State. It deepens sociaLsm or Neo-communism of Pandit the gloom the minds of the Nehru is a subsequent growth which in sincerest well-wishers and friends of is eating into the very vitals of our ~emo r Indian democracy cannot minorities in both Pakistan and India that provocation or no provocation, tolerate molestation any further. communal upheavals should have I -end by reiterating the warning taken place so often in both the coun- eiven by our President on the 26th tries, atfecting the lives and liberty, .January, 1964. The President said: honour and properties of the millions of people on both sides of the border, ''We have to r~ against the revealing to the world the most cam- mistakes of a few being visited on bustible substance of religious hatred the many; if faith is to be preserved and animosities that lie beneath the 1n the principles of democracy, apparently calm political surface of -corruption has to be eliminated the whole sub-continent. from our public life. It would be well to recognise that the tolerance ·of our society for weak, inefficient It is to be regretted very much, it and unclean administration is not is really so unfortunate that attempts unlimited. If social evils such as have been made, while emphasising black rnarketting, corruption and the gravity of the situation in Pakistan, nepotism are not effectively dealt to minimise the sufferings and miseries with there is the danger that the of the Muslim minority in West ideaEstic patriotism of public B·engal, even the debates initiated by spirited youth might in. frustration the hon. Home Minister the other day seek other outlets." have focussed the attention of the These words come from the depth of civilised world on the tragic happen- our President's heart and unfortu- ings that have taken place in East natelv they have not been diluted by Pakistan, but they should on no the Prime Minister's pen. account throw into ~e the given tragedy that has befallen the Muslim Shrl Badrudduja (Murshidabad) : minority in West Bengal. Barring the 'Sir, before I address myself two speeches that have been delivered 1I7I I'EBRUARY 17, 1964 Address by the Vice- 1172 President discharging the functions of the President [Shni Badrudduja] shall refrain from comparing especi_ On the floor of this House by the two ally when minorities on both sides of deputy leaders of the Communist the border have gone through a very Party who had the courage and con- terrible crisis. On the contrary, I viction to refer to the sufferings that take this opportunity of expressing have afflicted the Muslims of West my genuine gympathies for our bro- Bengal, very few speeches in thern and sisters in distress in East this House have been hinted at those Pakistan. I have not the slightest sufferings, far less have any regard inclination to underrate in any way for the feelings and sentiments of tile inhuman atrocities that have been thOSe people who have passed through perpetrated On them, their lives, pro- a great crisis in recent times. perties and honour are as sacred to It is really all the more unfortunate us as the lives, properties and hon- that even The Statesman, a paper, our of Muslims over here. reputed for its balance1 views. has succumbed to this tendency. I shall Sir, it was heartening to find that read out from the issue of The States- the hon. Chief Minister of West WUln of the 15th instant. The Statesman Bengal only the other day on the states almost in the style of my hon. floor of the West Bengal Legislative friend Shri N. C. Chatterjee that there Assembly was so kind to observe that can be no comparison between he was ashamed at what had happen- happenings in East Pakistan and those ed in West Bengal. That shows a in West Pakistan and that there has genuine soul having anxious solicitude been no tendency on the part of Gov- for the safety of the minorities. But ernment to under-rate the hardships however fine this sentiment, however undergone lately by some Muslims in noble the sentiment, however nice India. Then, it goes on to say: the language, it cannot draw a veil .. . . . the Chief Minister had over the inhuman and untold miseries and sufferings of the Muslims of West gone to the length of saying. 'we Bengal; it cannot draw a viel over are ashamed of what happened in West Bengal; if even one person the wanton loot. plunder and massacre dies in communal riots in West of Muslim innocents; it does not draw Bengal, we should bow our heads in a veil over the devastation of their shame and we should remember properties on a colossal scale in West that we have acted against our Bengal. We cannot shut our eyes either to the fact that day in and day Constitution." out, after the ugly developments in It further goes on to say: East Pakistan, some qf the papers, "Because India, more concerned which the han. Horne Minister ob- about the future of India's 50 serves, responded splendidly to hig million Muslims than are the appeal for restoration of peace. Some leaders of Islamic Pak:stan. has of the papers like the Jug- always borne this in mind and antar, Anand Bazar PatTika and studiedly underplayed on world the Basumati, day in and day platforms the problem of refugees' out carried on an intentive and mischievous propaganda, rousing pas- from East Pakistan, there is a deplorable tendency abroad to sions by their inflammatory writings, equate comunal troubles here and provocative articles and most unfoun- ded, and sometimes false. statementg thOSe in Pakistan . . . " of the happenings over there, inflam- Even The Statemrm, a paper which ing the passions of the Bengali people has always maintained a high stan- particularly of the impressionable dard of journal'sm and fairness has youths thus goading them into an un- su"cumbed to this tendency, Sir, controllable frenzy of desperation, comparisons are very odious. I would • thus setting the g;>ark to the delicate therefore, refrain from comparing. I fuse which ultimately exploded and II 73 Motion on MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Address by the Vice- 1174 President discharQinQ the junctions oj the President burst into flames, particularly in the I do not want to draw on instances city of Calcutta and in the districts of though I could have done so and Nadia and 24-Parganas. shown the damage caused to Muslims The hon. Home Minister the other in West Bengal. My han. friend, day while discussing these things, dis- Shri N. C. Chatterjee, talks of geno- cide. I will not minimise anything, owned the magnificent role he had I will not under-rate anything. He played in arresting the drift and saving the crisis that threatened the extinc- can talk anything about Pak- istan and condemn it by all tion of the Muslims of West Bengal. possible means. I hold no brief for But in order to save the face of the any administration But I am here to West Bengal administration, he said point out what has happened. I will that the West Bengal administration, ask, what happened in Maheshtalla, and the collective will of the people, how many Muslims' lives were lost? asserted itself, and, therefdre, the I have figure.' in my possession. Eituation was saved. Nothing of the Some say they counted 232 dead kind, Sir. The hon. Home Minister bodies. I have not counted them. IIppeared on the scene, his 'plane land- But I have figures in my possessioI1- ing at Dum Dum at 8: 40 P. M. on the These have exceded 100. The officer 12th January. He saw with his own in charge of that police station, ins- ~ e that most of the Muslim locali- tead of giving protection to Muslim., ties like Matijhil, Kalabagan, Jaliatola, dragged Muslims out of their houses, Chingrighatta, Tangra and Bibibagon, including the Imam of Batanaga:r end other Muslim areas were in Mosque and shot them down dead. The flames. Had he arrived only 12 hours rest of the Muslims, who could not later even Zakara Street and Collo- take shelter in the premise. of the tolla, where the Muslims had flocked factories were butchered and massa- in thousands for shelter, would have cred in 'cOld blood by the hooligans. been razed to the ground. Even in our My hon. friend Shrimati Renu Chakra- IIrea Tal tall a area, the Baker hostel, vartty and other Communist leaden the Elliot Hostel, the Calcutta Madras stood by us in the greatest hour of and Ripon Street, where the Muslims our need and gave us shelte:, which had assembled,-would have been re- no other party did. We are so grate- duced to shambles. But for his timely ful for all they have done, and I appearance on the scene, but for his take this opportuni ty of expressing firm decision, but for his stern action in our gratitude to the Communist Party, posting military and replacing the un- and particularly to their leaders like acruplous police officers-most of whom Shrimati Renu Chakravartty, Shri instead of helping the Muslims in their Hiren Mukerjee, Dr. Ranen Sen amI deep distress by their collusion, by Shri Indrajit Gupta, who did yeoman the;'r positive and definite collusion service at that juncture. If all the and complicity with the rioters, o~ parties and organisations in West plicity with those miscreants, hoolI- Benltal and a large volume of public gans and barbarous savages and opinion had asserted themselves, if ruffians, hounded to repine and Shri Atulya Ghosh the accredited massacre of the Muslims creating an unprecedented havoc in the leader of the majority pa:ty there had history of India. These atrocities been on the scene like Maulana Mase- horrible in their malgnity, in their cri- odi in Kashmir during these distur- minality, in their devastating effect bances if the newspapers had been upon the unfortunate Muslims of West checked in their m'schievous tenden- Bengal, surpass any other havocs cies and misrepresentation of facts within living memory except those of from across the border. there would Delhi and East Punjab and West have been no riots in West Bengal. Pakistan, in 1947 and West Bengal in There has been huge loss here. I 1950 and the tragic happenings in East may emphasize that 14 police t t~on Pakistan in 1964. of 24-pargana, and six police statum. 1I7S Motion on FEBRUARY 17, 1964 AddrUB by the Vice- 1I76 President discha.rging the ;functions of the President [Shri Badrudduja] my friends here to go over there and of Nadia were affected. The minorities see with their own eyes what devas- were affected from Barasat to Ban- tation has been wrought, what damage gaon, and the communication line was has been caused, not merely to the practically cut off. Hundreds of property of Muslims, but to their lives, villages inhabited by Muslims were to their honour, to their prestige, to completely destroyed. We do not eve;-ything. know the exact value of the colossal I am one of those who believe loss, but we know the loss exceeded sincerely in secularism. I am Sir, one tens of ~ore In Calcutta alone, in of those who fought partition tooth and the Moti Jhil area, all the Muslim nail from December, 1941 to July,. factories were completely destroyed 1947, for which I had to go with my and ruined. Thousands of Muslim revered leader Mr. Fazlul Huq, into houses were destroyed, SO many bastis political wilderness.· I opposed it were pulled down. Muslim industries tooth and nail because I wanted t() are completely gone, It will take them stem the fast rising tempo of commu- 50 years to recover their position nal passions and frenzies which ulti- economically. They are crushed, para- mately brust into flames on both sides lysed and sucked by this devastation. of the border. But, Sir, our Now, I shall come to the speech of leaders, who had a better assess- the hon. Home Minister. . I have got ment of the difficulties and com- the deepest regard and admiration for plexities of the situation and a greater· the hon Home Minister. He alone vision of the future, considered other- rose to the occasion and saved a great wise. I made frantic appeals to the situaton fraught with disaster for the revered leader, Shri Sarat Chandra Muslim minority. I may refer to a Bose with whom I had the most cor- portion of his statement: dial relations: for God's sake, do not "In the city of Calcutta, the agree to partition: yOU are the Leader trouble was not wholly communal. of the Congress Party in the Central Here, the greater part of the dis- Assembly, leader of the opposition: turbances was caused by hooligans there you have got a voice: do not who were in a sense ne;ther Hin- agree; at any rate for Bengal's sake, dus nor Muslims, but just trouble- where linguistically, culturally, poli- makers trying to take advantage ticaly, socially, geographically and strategically we will form a solid block of the situation." containing about 70 to 80 million He goes on further, and says on page 5: people. There is no territorial unit "In the disturbances 208 persons in the whole civilised world where so of both communities lelt their many people speak the same language, lives; 56 were killed as a result of having the same interests and feel- police action." ings, the same sentiments, ideals and background. I emphasised further: He says further that 62,000 persons yOU Hindu brethren have no fears of both communities belong to the because from Calcutta right up to category of those who left their homes Delhi you wlll have the weight of out of a sheer sense of insecurity. Hindu India, Hindu majority behind With all deference and respect to him, you. We 51 per cent of Muslims in it appears from the statement that Assam and West Bengal shall not be Muslims and Hindus suf'lered equally, able to impose our will upon you that they shared the miseries equally. because you are politically more ad- Sir there may be a sprinkling of Hindu vanced, economically much sounder brethren who were not aggressive, and educationallv more advanced. who could not have been looters, who But our leaders, the greatest leaders could not have plundered, who could ·of the country, fo.. whom I have the not have devastated the properties of deepest regard and adm;ration went the Muslims. I would only request back upon the plighted broth to the 1177 Motion on MAGHA 28, 1885 (SAKA) Address btl the Vice- 111- Preaident discharging the functions of the Presideftt nation. Even after Mr. Mohamad the country, religious passions and Ali Jinnah agreed to the Cabinet Mis- communal hatred are bound to poi- sion Plan of the 15th May, 1945 and son the springs of life and vitiate and Mr. Jinnah, Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, corrupt the whole atmosphere. Histo- Mr. Liaqat Ali Khan and Sardar rically, culturally, religiously, emotio- Baldev Singh, representing the Sikh nally, Hindu and the Muslim majori- community all went to England in ties are not capable of talking so the same chartered plane sent by the kindly to the minorities. The:efore, Britishers and met in a conference minorities on both sides of the border presided over by no less a person than have today no quarter, no shelter, no Atlee, the then Prime Minister of recognition, no appreciation, no en- England, and alI controversy regard- couragement, no facilities no opportu- ing the Cabinet Mission plan was set nities for self-expression in any sphere at rest and it was ratified by the of life, in any domain of thought. Working Committee of the Congress The:r lives are at stake, their honour and also by the Working Committee and property are at stake. But sir, of the Muslim League, our leader, in the midst of this storm and st.rees, within fifteen days of his arrival, in the midst of all that is dark and went back on his word- and wanted gloomy dreary and bleak in the life partition of the country. The Cong- of this nation, there is one ray of hope ress Working Committee passed a to redeem the heavy gloom all round. Resolution demanding partition of In West Bengal the great Sikh com- the Punjab, with an ovecwhelming munity stood by us and rendered us majority in the teeth of solid opp- real service; the taxi drivers of the aition from Maulana Azad and Saro- Sikh community conducted the afflict- jilli Naidu and other noble souls in ed Muslims to safe quarters; Punjabi ID.dia who had a real vision of the Hindus also did their turn and the future. The die was however cast; Marwari community true to their Rubicon crossed. I sank in· despair philonthrophic traditions fed 16 to When the country was partitioned. I 20 thousand muslims, twice a day, cried in despair. I had said: "Bengal's providing them with bed-sheets and death knelI had been sounded a little blankets, clothes and every other earlier, her funeral ceremony was thing. We have expressed our thanks performed only yesterday. Bengal to them. We take off our hats to lies prostrate today bleeding from the them. We also thank the saner sec- wounds inflicted on her soul. A disas- tion of the Bengali people, the sober trous polley has purSued Bengal since section of the Bengali people; and the beginning of the 20th century particularly the most progressive of since after the removal of the capital all parties the Communist party from Calcutta to Delhi, there has been which rendered us great help bv resist- an organised conspiraCy against the ing the rioters even though they were talent, genius and manhood of Bengal. shattered by -Internal dissensions. I And today, ID.dia leadership has suc- shall remember with grat'tude the ceeded in dividing, partitioning and services and contributi ons made par- fragmenting Bengal which will have ticularly bv my much-esteemed sister, a disastrous effect on the cultural Shrimati Renu Chakravarttv, who, hegemony, political integrity, social dav in and day out. went round the entity. economic individualitv of Ben- affected areas and gaVe us hOPe and gal with still more disastro"us conse-- courage_ quen!,eB that are likely to follow; this unnatural division of the countrv and the provinces is bound to breed genus of perpetual clash and conflict bet- Sir, I believe in secularism. But I wel'l1 the two ne'ghbouring States". do not believe in the false show of- All. insignificant frv like m~ elf felt at democracy. As I once told Shri C. this stage of political development of Rajagopalachari. I am no believer in .1179 Motion OlIo FEBRUARY 17, 1964 ddTe ~ bll the Vice- nSo Prerident discharging the junctions of the President [Shri Badrudduja] When the hordes of Halakll the theory of the quantitative determi- swept over Central Asia, devasted nation of human destinies. I can never the world and destoryed the Metro- persuade myself to believe that polis of Bagdad in 1257, there was no arithmetical calculation and mathema- power on earth, no Government to tical computations will determine stem the tide of agression of these human civilizations, culture and barbarous savages. At that critical destiny. juncture when the Muslim world wu- Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member's threatened with extinction, the time is up. moment these wild hordes uttered the sentence on the banks of the tigris, Shri Badrudduja: I ask your per- "Lai Elaha Illallah, Muhammad-Ur- mission only for a few minutes more. Rasu!1ab"-There is no God, but God'. But I believe in secularism, whatever Muhammad is His Messenger of peace may be the dangers. We want to stay and inter-communal harmony and on and forge ahead in India with the understanding, the savages from the co-operation, with the assistance, with destroyers of civilisation became, all the sympathy with the help of all the of a sudden, the preservers of Muslim progressive elements, of the saner and civilisation dominating three conti- soberer section in the Congress party nents of the world for centuries. as well. There are noble souls in the Congress also who sympathise with us "~... ~ m'IT'ft 1: 'l "~~ ~~~m My life, my death, my prayer, my ~ ~~li,fmn fasting, my miseries and sorows, my misfortunes, trials and ordeals of life, Ii~ ~ ftt>sr ~ ~T ~~ are all for the Lord of the world. ifm( f'I;;n;f «if "'~wa<:" Sir, We seek the guidance of the 'The dust of my motherland is much Lord. We seek the guidance of the -more precious than the throne of Supreme Power of the Universe who throbs in every constitution, pulsates Solomon. The thorns of our country are much more precious than jasmine every atom, regulates and guides all -Dr any other flower anywhere. Joseph existence, shapes the destinies of individuals and nations, nay, of the reigned in Egypt, but he observed it ·is much better to be a beggar in Cenan whole human r ~e and controls the whatever might be the provocation, growth and evolution of the universe ·whatever might be the miseries, what- and the system of universes through ,ever might be the misfortune, what- all eternity and i!1finity. ever might be the troubles, whatever ;~ ~ might be the trials and tribulations, 'i!fAt!<'k'!'ii Everybody knows here, and my hon. I may tell you that this silent inva- fnend from Assam has pointed out, sion by the 30 lakhs of Pakistanis in that there was infiltrahon of Pakistani India is a source of danger. That is ~o le in very large numbers. Even a great security problem. Let our our Government shut their eyes Government beware. agalnst the implications of the last I repeat that we hate reprisal by census. According to the last census, any Hindu against a single Indian as the lady Member has pointed out, Mohammedan, because that is against about 10 lakhs of people infiltrated. our Constitution and that is against That was the finding of the census. our ~ lt re But I may tell them that But you know, Sir, that census figures our Constitution does not protect dis- are on declarations and were handi- loyal citizens; it does not protect trai- capped in Assam. But there have tors. It does not protect those people been pamphlets, and there have been who gain their inspiration from else- facts and figures given by some people where and who only masquerade as in Assam, by people who belonged Indians with a different ideology. I formerly to the Ministry, that the submit that secularism does not mean infiltrators would not number less than this, and they ought to be told that 30 lakhs. I would ask our hon. Minis- the fact that our Government is secu- ter who for the first time admitted lar does not mean that all these things that there was the necessity of edu- can be perpetrated in this way with catin, world opinion, to 10 to the impunity. Motion on FEBRUARl' 17, 1964 Correcrion to Statemem Address b'll the Vice- President discharging ,,_._0..- the junctions of the President [8hri N. R. Ghosh] elsewhere, the operation of a spy ring 1 shall draw attention to what ap- with the conspiracy of Pakistan. These peared in the Statesman today and are all security questions. In the name what appeared in newspapers previ- of secularism, these people should not ously. It will prove that not only get protection. The Government were there secret arsenals concealed should seriously look into this and do in mosques, concealed in private something about it. houses, but some of these have been recovered now, and it will appear that even the Pakistan Deputy High Com- 17.01 hrs. missioner's people and others were busy in actually inflaming these CORRECTION TO STATEMENT Mohemmadans, against some of whom the DlR has been used. The Minister of State in the Minis- try of Home Alfairs (8hri Hajarnavis): In conclusion, I only say this .... 1 seek the indulgence of the House to make a small correction in the state- Shri P. R. Patel: We shall sit for ment which was made by the Home five minutes more. Minister this morning. The names of the three persons arrested in the Mr. Speaker: I cannot give more Hazratbal case were given as: Abdul time. Rahim Bandey, Abdul Rashid and Ghulam Mohd. Butt. The name 'Ghu- An HoD. Member: Let him conclude lam Mohd. Butt' was mentioned by tomorrow. mistake. It should be 'Qadir Butt'. Shri N. R. Ghosh: Then can I con- Shrimati Renn Chakravartty (Bar- clude tomorrow? rackpore): You released the other Mr. Speaker: No, no. man and arrested this man? Mr. Speaker The House now stands Shri N. R. Ghosh: I tell our Govern- adjourned to meet again tomorrow. ment that this question of infiltration is not an innocent question, it is not a 17.02 hrs. question which should be brushed aside in this way. It is a security The Lok Sabha then ad;ourned tit! question, the question of the activities Eleven of the clock on Tuesday, Febru- of disloyal people in Calcutta and ary 18, 1964/Magha 29, 1885 (Saka). GMGIPND-RS-zo80 (Ai) L8-27-2-64-8!JO