SENATE OF PAKISTAN SENATE DEBATES th Friday, 14 May, 2010
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1 Questions and Answers H 6 P Mr. Chairman: EG• 3O C:>F — ˜ 3 O C:qC:E – 5 We may now take up questions. F IY I L = F Next question Talha Mahmood Sahib.:d>GX :> G :@AA˘:2 5H › 5 VH ?• :¸?G VŸ :2G V œ ? ž 7 F ( ( eRS Cy k) F IL= u F ‚ H F d? d? GK‹C:>G :sX :{CA5 5H ::>GIk }~VG a :{?5 V5H FFF7 7 F F 8IY ¥ =` GI ¦ I | • 6 ` I [ :e:˚?:Do5 5H ˆT :?G VM :?:tC:˘> „ G X :D P 3:£fMW5 :iA:B]3O ¤ V :Dc T L :}:X Y :sž :¡;ž :s5 ?S :} ~VG GV ‚ F F = ` d?ˆ :DP ‹C:>GIL :{CA5 5H :> G I k :e GTIGV[ | ‚ F :@A˜§ :2Š•• :dDN :>:DGI n O :3 a8next rota day :A:tC:˘eM 5 H ?• :s?:56 S :>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H de5 H ? • F F I I = F F ‚ › F §| | ` [ d>GGYX :> L :@A5H A:e › 5 H ?• :2xS C@:3\]:2G8 U :D†^ :2:2G Kx V p ! {?5 V5H :@A˜ :2Š•• :y4§ :} ~VG IGV F F F ‚ F ˚>GIYX :B?L•• :e5H ? :2xS C@:3\]:˘eG8 5 H ? •Š :z\? 5= :>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H F F w= FFIk •ž F ‚ F F I H ` I [ :s 5 convey :AM :BC:dD†^ :>G :E :D M ::BC :( BCAGP C:yK ? ©) z\?Š5= :>G ’ :}G ~K :yGV[ :} ~VG GV D†^ :?GGVN :? V M and he is supposed to be here sir. I had conveyed in his office but he should understand that by 10:30 the proceedings will start. If he has not turned up, I am not responsible for that. ‚ •W5= ‚ F He should be here.d>GIK ‹C :čC\Aœ :2U :DcT o•G message :AM :BC:F :>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H F F In F F F I H ` I [ d>G :DO :3 a8next rota day :AM :tC ! {?5 V5H :z\?Š5= :>G ’ :}G ~K :yGV[ :} ~VG GV FF 7 7 ‚ F d>GIYX :{® CA“ :D[ :e…5= :D M :BC:˘>F GGIL= :˘> I L = ::>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H F F ‚ F I = ‚ › P F §| | ` [ d?:A:>ˆ X^ G L :¯:2 S xVp :2:}G K G ~° 5 :DP ‹C:D M :BC::@A˜ :2Š•• :y4§ :} ~VG IGV F F ´ F IL= F •• 7 M 6 F I ‚ H F :b\CyK C:DoP :˘D† ^ :>G :±CA“ :²GGXK C:?„ :BC:˘D† ^ :³ :{?5 K :£ :{‹C:B?a Y :s5 : :>G k }~VG a :{?5 V5H F 7 7 u 7 ˘e5 H ?• :z\? Š5= :dBA:?X^ V WJGK @ questions :\]C:²:eK 5 5H :>GGGIk :˘DN :> I n :D O :AM :tC:E X :d> I YX :{®CA “
2 please convey to the Minister for Interior, he should be here in 15 minutes, wherever he is. He should not take the Senate lightly. Question No. 89, Mst. Afia Zia. Anyone on her behalf. Yes, Mr. Wasim Sajjad. Answer taken as read.
89. *Senator Afia Zia: Will the Minister for Railways be pleased to state the name of incumbent chairman Pakistan railways indicating also the salary, allowances and other fringe benefits admissible to him? Haji Ghulam Ahmad Bilour (Minister for Railways): Mr. Sami-ul-Haq Khilji a BS-22 officer of the Secretariat Group is working as Secretary of the Ministry of Railways and Ex -Officio Chairman of the Railway Board. The officer is drawing following Pay, allowances and fringe benefits as admissible under the Rules. He is only paid salary of BPS-22 officer and no extral remuneration are given as Chairman Railways. Pay Rs.55,470/- Special pay Rs.11,094/- SRAS/SAS Qualifications pay Rs. 1,000/- Senior Post Allowance Rs. 1,600/- Entertainment Allowance Rs. 975/- Orderly Allowance Rs. 3000/- Special Additional Allowance, 25% Rs. 1,839/- Special Relief 15%, 2003 Rs. 3,916/- Additional Relief 15%, 2004 Rs. 3,916/- Dearness Allowance 15% 2006 Rs. 5,026/- Adhoc Relief Allowance 15%2009 Rs. 8,321/- Total Salary Rs. 96,157
3 The officer is allowed free travel for himself and his dependent family in Air conditioned class on Pakistan Railways, as per Rules. Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary from anyone? No supplementary. Next question No. 90, Mr. Khalid Mehmood Soomro. Anyone on his behalf? ‚ 7 G•O •[ dDP ?5S :A:z\A:X^a P formality :2U ?K :DcT o• :3 M ! e?5 H • :EG ] Mr. Wasim Sajjad on his behalf. Answer taken as read. 90. *Senator Dr. Khalid Mehmood Soomro: Will the Minister for Narcotics Control be pleased to state the steps being taken by the Government to eliminate the business of narcotics in the country particularly in Sindh? Mr. Arbab Muhammad Zahir (Minister for Narcotics Control) Following steps have been taken to eliminate the business of Narcotics in the country:
a. Establishment of Police Stations.êANF has already established 25 police stations, whereas 5 new police stations have been notified and will be established on availability of strength/ manpower. In Sindh Province 5 Police Stations have been established. PS Hyderabad and Sukkur have been especially established to have an access to Interior Sindh Province.
b. Exceptional. Interdiction Results.êPakistan is contributing significantly in international counter narcotics efforts and have achieved outstanding interdiction results over the last few years which is clear manifestation of countryãs commitment and resolve
4 against the crime linked with international drug trafficking. c. Establishment of Canine Unit.êA total of five Canine Units, one for each Regional Directorate have been established. In order to beef up the strength of these units, ANF has recently procured five trained dogs from China. d. Installation of Scanning Machines.êFour IONSCAN Machines have been installed at Islamabad, Lahore, Peshawar and Karachi Airports to detect drugs. Additionally, two scanners for luggage checking one at Islamabad and other at Karachi Airports have been installed. Moreover four x-ray machines have been procured from China, which are installed at Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar and Islamabad Airports to detect the passengers moving with ingested capsules. e. Patrolling, checkpoints & raids/ambush are being carried out through out the country to disallow and deter trafficking of narcotics drugs. ANF is playing a vital role to interdict supply äof Acetic Anhydride. From year 2008 till to-date, ANF made significant seizures of precursors in the world. A total of 41578 kgs have been seized including the biggest seizure of 15800 kg of Acetic Anhydride at Karachi on 21st March 2010. This is the biggest seizure ever made in the world.
5 f. Draft of new Anti Narcotics Policy has been prepared which will be announced shortly after the approval of the Cabinet. The new policy envisages number of measures including for controlling the menace of the drugs in the country, making drug free cities in each province and education institutions in each city. Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary from anyone? No supplementary. Next question No. 91, Begum Najma Hameed. ˚>GIYX :3_ yU :Minister for Defence :s 56 Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: Sir, Defence Minister probably has conveyed to your office and also into my office that the Chief of Army Staff is visiting his office. Mr. Chairman: No but he should have requested somebody to answer question on his behalf. Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: Sir, he intimated that he will be reaching at the later part of the proceedings so this he has conveyed and it can be deferred for Tuesday. It was his problem that the Chief of Army Staff is visiting his office. 7 = F 7 ‚ F : Tuesday >GIYX :{®CA:s“ w5 :DTIS o:D M : Ministry of Defence :>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H 7 He should be here on Tuesday in time. Please :d>GIXY :DcT8 @:3:M defer DcTO D M convey it to him that he should be in time. Next question No. 92, Hafiz Rahsid Ahmad. F Ž F F I I = F F I ‚ aH F É Ž ` I [ d>GGYX :D†^ \:‹C:> L :fÊP :e5 H ?• :3\]G8 ! >G k}~VG :{?5 V5H :y46 C:yG V [ \:È?œ S :} ~VG GV ‚ F d:>GIYX :DM :Narcotics :>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H F 7 7 F F É Ž ` ž Ë •[ IL= Narcotics H 6 ~V IGV[ :?:{?:2;:zy}„5 S©S :\]C:s ?\:2:>G K G K G : ! {?5 V5 : :y4 C:yG V [ \:È?œ S :} G F §= ˚>GGIYX :B?L• :e5H ? • :>yC:EF 8 n 5 :dD†^ :±CA “
6 F F = ‚ F = F 8 § F = IL= F F F 8 § F ‚ H F :>G yn C: E 5 ! e?5H•ŠV :z\?5 :˚?G M :DP ‹C:>GG :e? 5 H •S :B?:>yC:E n 5 : :>GIk }~VG a : {?5 V5H F F ‚ IL= ` Ikw5= ¥ 7 I Y they are not interested D†^ :> G }~’ :s :£A:?M „ :{‹C:Ì‹C:D†a 5^ :{?:?5 KG V M :˚>G X :B:? L•:e5 H ? • in the proceedings. Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: Sir, it was conveyed and they told us that he will be present in the House probably. F É F = ˜Í pGIK F I can ask for him from the National Assembly.D†^ :sw5 :s •5V C:¯ V ! {?5 V5H G•O F ‚ H F dDcT o• :C3M :²G V aH :C\@::>F GIk }~VG a :{?5 V5H Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: Sir, the Interior Minister is here. Mr. Chairman: Let us start from the Interior Ministerãs questions. Letãs go back. Question No. 31, Mr. Talha Mahmood. Answer taken as read. 31. *Senator Muhammad Talha Mahmood: Will the Minister for Interior be pleased to state: (a) the number of NADRA offices in district Haripur,. and (b) whether there is any proposal under consideration of the Government to establish more branches of NADRA in that district, if so, its details?
Senator A. Rehman Malik (Minister for Interior): (a) NADRA Registration Centres (NRCs) NRC Haripur, NRC Ghazi and lx Mobile Registration Van (MRV) are operational in district Haripur. (b) Presently no proposal under consideration for establishment of additional NADRA office in District Haripur, because of area has been covered adequately by the present infrastructure/ resources. New centre is also not financially feasible. However additional MRV can be deputed if desired.
7 Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? Yes, Mr. Talha Mahmood. F F §| F | | ` [ :?„ :DTO AW• : NADRA registration centre :DW o ! {?5 V5H : :@A˜§ :2Š•• :y4§ :} ~VG IGV F ‚ F F ` Ï 7 ` 7 •R„ ` 7 F 7 :DTI< :>FGGIK :£? ¥ ŒS \C:> I k :D P[^ ?:²35 K 5• :D :\A:z}:\]C:D†aPXY :2;:C3:e©ž 5 8 …5= :\A:z}:2 a P X Y vK AG T M :D R Q S :?V a8 :\?:2 „ Ð G P f Ñ É 7 F §| œ F pI P ` H IF F 7 I :2U :D†^ :? K3:2:¡AMG K R°› :DoW :dD† ^ :?\:3:¡?XY M „ :Ò‹C:>G }~’ 5 \:>GGGk :\A:z}:\]C:>a P X Y k :z\?:•]:t ž Ó C:d> YX :D T mn 7 F 7 IY O • I Ik M :{‹C::˚>a G X :DT AW : centre D[O :D CA:DH M :BAA:D N O T U :\]C:>:G area Ò:2:D†U ^ :?GVM : criterion :?„ :{‹Ca F F F u M 7 :E:2X U ::?L• :DP :BA…= C:2 U : and it is very kind of Minister sahib :D†^ :£ :{?:²C:D5K G K P 7 7 7 7 §| I u h F :DT¤¦ :?V58 :2G K:DoW :A:>PG YX :D T¤¦ :3:ECf:3:DoMX h a 8 T O ?Ô› :3:\A:z\A: a 8 Ñ œ mobile registration van :s?• C:²CG K 7 •¤¦ u 7 I ˚D†^ :s :A:ECf:²:•:XX^ h K 5 Mvan :2G K :2 U :> G YX Mr. Chairman: Interior Minister, I would request you and all the members also that they should be in time, specially the Ministers in future. Senator A. Rehman Malik: Thank you Mr. Chairman. I fully endorse the view of honourable Senator 7 7 F F 7 ¥ 7 w= I but it all depends that how much we D†^ :£A:•AXX^O …Í :˘BA:3?@:b@?\:s ^ 8 ƒG K 5 :D T S o:2 U 7 ` F F we decided to give one :AP : D†^ : 2;:z\?©žLa= :˘>GIYX :DÓ ;:\C\@\]@:2 ž v K AGTM : can afford, 7 8 :č?5VG8 f ÕP:2G K : hopefully :\]C: mobile registration van which is like an office ‚ F ‚ ¥ •• IkN k I k :£:A:e?M 5 H • :2Š :3C:2:D†N U ^ :?G V M : move :\]C:²C:DG K P :>GG :C}Ë ]@:d£ :D P ?5S :¯:A:{‹C:>M a : weeks = 7 so that :?ˆ :B]@3M :case move :sw5 :>GIk :PC-1:>GGIk ::A:>3P 8 M :proper location suggest we can establish another office. F | | ` [ :>GIk : I am very grateful to Minister sahib, :@A˜§ :2Š•• :y4§ :} ~VG IGV 7 7 É F d£N :D†^ \:}~L 5= :2ÖS5 :sÍ :BAFF M :2U :?ˆ :B]@:? V58 :A M :BC:qC¸? ’ P C É Ž 6 ‚ H F de5H ?• :yG V [ \:È?:s:œ S 5 :>F GIk }~VG a :{?5 V5H
8 F I ` F F I ‚ aH F É Ž ` I [ :>G k :??:2K ƒ U :D†^ :±CA“ :2:DG K [ :×A Ÿ A:3\]:C} › G8 G ~Ø ! >G k }~VG :{?5 V5H ::y46 C:yG V [ \:È?œ S :} ~VG GV F 7 :£M :tC:˚>GIYX :s•IU :NADRA registration centres and mobile registration vans É ‚ ‚ 7 I ¥ 7 7 ÚP d23G K ¤¦ :d>G K ?:£?5S V 58 :{; GVÙ ` F ‚ F de?5 H • :}~’ Ik :s:56:>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H Senator A. Rehman Malik: Thank you Mr. Chairman. This wants a new question because I was here to answer Mr. Talhaãs questions. So, if he can put any question then I will be able to answer. Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Next question No. 32, Dr. Khalid Mehmood Soomro. ‚ F ` IL= dDP ?5S :?@:±C@:3:G K a8next rota day :AM :tC:˘?GK ‹C:>G :{CA5 5 H :? „ :tC Senator A. Rehman Malik: I would like to explain, we have referred it to the Ministry of Defence because it relates to the Ministry of Defence. Mr. Chairman: It will come on the next rota day. Next question No. 33., Mr. Talha Mahmood. Answer taken as read. 33. *Senator Muhammad Talha Mahmood: Will the Minister for Interior be pleased to state: (a) the number of passport Offices in district Haripur; and (b) whether there is any proposal under consideration of the Government to establish more branches of passport office in that district, if so, its details? Senator A. Rehman Malik: (a) No passport office has been established in District Haripur-Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa.
(b) Establishment of Regional Passport Office at Haripur District is however, under consideration, The matter was taken up
9 with the Planning Commission and after due deliberations, Planning Commission has advised to prepare a separate PC-I supported with feasibility. PC-I is under preparation and shall be submitted to Planning Commission for soliciting approval of ECNEC. Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? Yes, Mr. Talha Mahmood. F F œ ` I F §| • | ` I [ :z}:dD†X Y ^[OM :? G k ! {?5 V5H ::@A˜ :2Š • :y4§ :} ~VG GV F ‚ I I = œ ` w= ¥ 7 ` 7 :>Gk :{CA5 5H“ :DM :±CA dD† ^ :> G L :Ò‹C:{\Aa IM¦ ?:saK5 :£A:•]:tC:3:B?]:D† Ó a8XG Y ^ :2;:C3© ž 5 8 :e…5= :²K C:\A a P Ž F O › M Ik S 7 7 Planning : DcT : D M : z\AÊ T : £ : ECNEC :\]C:>G :¯Cf:D| M :z\?GV8 : PC-1:2:D†U ^ :?GGVN :?? K V 5 8 ‚ 7 7 7 §| :D[ : ECNEC :²:•:2:2K 5 M K U :>GIYX :DT¤¦ :?V58 :Do W :dD† ^ :?@:3 K M:?:?:DKˆP ?:?5 SV M :D O CA:DH M : Commission G G GG ‚ 7 7 ˚>G8 @:?V58 :expected date :£¥ AM :˚D†^ :?V¤¦ :AX ^ :clear ` F ‚ F de?5 H • :}~’ Ik :s:56:>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H Senator A. Rehman Malik: Thank you Mr. Chairman. There is a procedural issue ‚ = we have already sent the summery for :£N :AX^ :next meeting :£¥ AM :sw5 :e5 5H :\]C ‚ É = É “ u :×}Ü :sw5 C:2U : we understand :˘DP ?5S :‹C:>GIk : meeting :2U :DN :>3:ÒG8 M A:E:\]C:M X approval F ‚ 7 Ž F 7 7 u W• Í œ ` Ik ` :?<= :?G V M :move :DPPT :E:DXX A:D^ \:fÊP y:A:sk M C:˘D† ^R :ÝG TGÞP :A:BAA:˘D† MNO ^ :Ò‹C:{\Aa I ¦ ?:>aKG :@?‹C:e5 K 5T8 C we are considering the difficulties of the public, hopefully next É ‚ F É I d23GGK¤¦ :d?:DˆP ?:A:2:qC:¸?5 SX^ K ’ P C:>G k :budget Mr. Chairman: Next question No. 37, Mr. Tahir Hussain Mashhadi. Answer taken as read. 37. *Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Will the Minister for Interior be pleased to state: (a) the number of cases registered by FIA on violation of Intellectual Property Rights (IPRS) during the last three
10 years indicating also the names of accused in those cases; and (b) the steps taken by the Government for checking violations IPR alongwith impact thereof on the prices of books, CDs and other reading material?
Senator A. Rehman Malik: (a) FIA has registered 47 cases under IPR laws till the date. (b) On receipt of complaints from public Private Sector, the matters are referred to the concerned FIA Zonal Directors at Islamabad, Peshawar, Lahore & Ouetta for conducting proper inquiry into the matter under Copy Right Act. 1962. The Intellectual Property Organization (IPO) Pakistan has also drafted new legislations which are presently placed before the National Assembly of Pakistan for approval. The Prime Minister of Pakistan, during 2nd session of 2nd IPR Conference in convention centre Islamabad on 3-5-2010 also emphasized to get the new law approved on priority basis in this regard. After promulgation of new Intellectual Property Laws, the effective implementation and compliance would be ensured by the FIA. Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? Yes, Mr. Tahir Hussain Mashhadi. Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Sir, although the answer has been given regarding 47 cases registered in violation of the Intellectual Property Rights and copy rights. Mr. Chairman: Any further question? Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: My question on this is that this violation is being done with impunity in Pakistan, even books, CDãs and films everything and only 47 cases
11 have been registered. I would like to ask the honourable Minister that what happened to those 47 cases, what was the out come and when our new laws and most stringent laws are going to become and how he is going to implement them to ensure the Copy Rights and the Intellectual Property Rights. Thank you. Mr. Chairman: Yes, Minister for Interior. Senator A. Rehman Malik: Mr. Chairman, the bill is right before the National Assembly for its approval. I agree with him that the stringent laws are not there, we are using normal Pakistan Penal Code and once this bill is passed, we will be able to take strict action. So, we will have to wait till the bill is passed. Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Next question No. 41, Mr. Talha Mahmood. Answer taken as read. 41. *Senator Muhammad Talha Mahmood: Will the Minister for Interior be pleased to state the amount received by NADRA from foreign countries / missions for provision of certain facilities during the last five years and details of its utilizations?
Senator A. Rehman Malik: The amount received by NADRA from Foreign Countries/Missions for providing certain facilities (projects/services) during the last five years is attached at Annex-A.
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Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? Yes, Mr. Talha Mahmood. F F F 7 ‚ F | | ` [ verification :A:DMP ?Š= \? ß [ :D M :{f5 à :z@A l [ ! >F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H :@A˜§ :2Š•• :y4§ :} ~VG IGV F F IY M O :C}G ~Ø ::d>G X :DcT :±AŸ ]: 234.84 million rupees DP : NADRA :DcT :D M :D P 3:M ?GV…| : system ‚ F F 7 I 7 :\]C:>G YX :DP ‹C:{?5S C3H C:D TIU :D M : NADRA :DcTO :D M : verification services :tC:2U :D†^ :2G K :±CA “ F ‚ É –M I • N MF–á M p› :2:A:²}G K M xk G ~â :\]C:s :˚>G YX :s :z@: verification services :£:E :Ò:A:>M :z@A l [ F ‚ IL= •N M ˚>G :?GK :D †^ :s :£:?GV…| :verification service Senator A. Rehman Malik: There are a number of requests but we have taken certain secret things which we cannot share but to a certain level we can share. This is a new question exactly, the bifurcation as to what is the income and what has been spent. So, I think if the new question comes I can get this information next time. ‚ F I = ãŸ É Ž ‚ H F :{‹C:>a G K ?5S :‹C:3a8 :ä}5 ~4 :2Š ! e?5H • :yG V [ \:È?œ S Next question :>F GIk }~VG a :{?5 V5H F ‚ •O ` = dDcTI oŠG :å3a8 :}5 ~4 :±CA“ :dD† ^ :±CA “ :? „
13 92. *Senator Hafiz Rashid Ahmad: Will the Minister for States and Frontier Regions be pleased to state whether it is a fact that an amount of Rs.250/- is being charged on issuance of domicile certificate under the head of electricity in Mohmand Agency, if so, whether that amount is transferred to WAPDA? Mr. Najmuddin Khan (Minister for States and Frontier Region): 1. On formation of TESCO, it was decided by the Government to recover Rs.220/- per month from each domestic connection in tribal areas as WAPDA dues.
2. The issue was taken up with the tribesmen who agreed to deposit the said amount on preparation of Domicile Certificates and computerized National Identity Cards in the account on bank receipts. Proper record of the account is being maintained.
3. The amount generated on account of TESCO dues is transferred to the said company. It may be clarified that this amount is recovered from tribesmen of those areas which are electrified and from whom no TESCO bills recovery is in operation. Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? ‚ F F MMF` I• 5= I I ‚ aH F É Ž ` I [ :£:¯?Kk’GIk ]@:>:y:£:sGGGk 5Š :2D†U ^ :? :d>} kk ~VG :{?5 V 5H ::y46 C:yG V [ \:È?œ S :} ~VG GV F 7 ‚ F 7 I¤kF VO I YN7 I K I Iƒ :2:DG K [ :×AŸ› A:3\]:>G8 G :>G :D† ^ :?‹C:A:{CAGK PH5 5 :?:tC:d> „ G X :D T :A:±AX ^Ÿ›M¤ A:A:eA› S :D pTMcQ:DU :D ::Ò G ‚ F 7 ‚ ˜56 I F 7 I MI F 6 :DP A:æX^ :DcQ:D pTK IU :t?:DaK M :BC:²:K{C:\]C:>5 G YX :D†^T \:?:D5S :±AŸ ]:D [ :•:DcQ:2:25 M p K G K U :?:BA?:? ˆSVX ^a Wa A a P d> GIYX ‚ H F F 6 F Ik ~V aH F de5 ?• :B? S :s:5 :>G }G F :{?5 V5H ` 7 F F É ‚ F F §= F :@\?:s„•H ? V [ :s:DQ h P ]\::ççè D[ : 2007 :BAF 5H ! >F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H ::B?F S :>yC:EF G8 n 5 :{?5 V 5H 7 ‚ Ik7 w= = II YkYM • 5= I K ` :>GGGG :\]C:?
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17 Senator A. Rehman Malik: Sir, this is a totally self- financed Organization, there is no budget given by the Federal Government. And it is auditable and it is properly taken care of and hence there is no question of any henki phenki because there are built in observations, ther is built in system to take care that the amount spent in the right direction and on the right people. É ‚ F de?5H • :zy L –› :s:56:>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mushhadi: Thank you very much Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the Honourable Minister, because NADRA is earning so much money and it is good thing that they are self sufficient but are they spending any of this money on the welfare or pay scales of lower staff working there and doing most of the hard work? Thank you sir. Mr. Chairman: Yes Minister Sahib. Senator A. Rehman Malik: Yes. There was no proper scheme like Housing Scheme and some other things but of course on medical and other facility which normally a government servant gets, like semi-government officials they do have all those facilities but at the same time I know there is a concern that a lot of amount has been spent but let me explain what has been done in NADRA. National data warehouse has been made, network directorate has been created, technology and development Directorate is there, operation division is there, call centre has been introduced, then NIC production is also there. So, this amount which is appearing a bit hefty, it is not like that. It is under proper control and therefore, I hope this impression is clear that the 5 crore plus
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20 (c) the names and designation of the persons found responsible for those accidents and the action taken against them? Haji Ghulam Ahmed Bilour: (a) During the last two years i.e 2008 and 2009, two hundred and ninety one accidents occurred over the system. Sixty persons died and two hundred and eight people injured in these accidents. Out of these persons, twenty killed and 109 were injured, were railway passengers
The names and designation of the staff found responsible for these accidents for the year 2008 is placed at Annexure-A and for the year 2009 is placed at Annexure-B.
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(a) the number of passenger and goods coaches with Pakistan Railways; and (b) the number of such coaches outlived their life but are still in use? Haji Ghulam Ahmad Bilour: (a) Pakistan Railways own 1850 passenger coaches and 16,433 freight wagons. (b) 61 Passenger Coaches and 7744 Freight Wagons have outlived their economic lives of 35 years and 45 years respectively but are still in service. F ‚ F ´ ‚ F ˚?„ :{‹C:D†a ^ :±CA“ :s•˜ :£¥ A M :>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H FFF ‚ F F I=u ` I k I = ¥ 6 = ôGV58 ` I [ d>GL :s:@AA:e?X 5H›5 H • :}~’ :rA RGK \:d> G L :£A: M :yGV˜ :245§ :E :} ~VG GV 7 F F ‚ ` F =Ikø • 6 I Y • I5K 6 F ‚ H F :?@:{CA:?:BC:˘DGK„5 5HWÙ :> G :D :e?5 H •S :sž :¡;:s?:d>ž5 G X :D PW A:D X^ c :s: 5 :>GIk }~VG a :{?5 V5H Ž F F :2G K :D†^ :?„ : Minister for Defence :2G K :˘D†^ :?„ :{‹Ca ! e5 H ?• :È?::˘±CAœ S “ :;C:dDˆ P :BA … = C:D† ^ ôGV58 :d25 VH ?• :E :˘±CA“ :;ˆ C::dD†^ :?G V N :;a S :3a8 :Tuesday 98-A. *Senator Begum Najma Hameed: Will the Minister for Railways be pleased to state the number of locomotives with Pakistan Railways in working and non working condition? Haji Ghulam Ahmad Bilour: Pakistan Railways own a fleet of 520 Diesel Electric Locomotives out of which 370 Locomotives are in working order whereas 150 Locomotives are in non working condition. Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? 7 F 7 F F F •^ F I 6 6 = ôGV58 ` I [ :A:DcPTO :D M :BAA:•f:2 NO5 G8 à vK A:2:BA:sa H^ UX X ?:?aS V Wa 6 A:2:>:s: a P G K G k 5 :yGV˜ :245§ :E :} ~VG GV 7 FFF 7 u w= ` ` IY ` • 8 M :sX \:3C:s85 :D[ :z}~Ka :\]C:>G X :{C35 H :B?\?GK ˆ :˘D† ^ :{C3 5 H :s C:position :£ :rARGGK \:˘D†^ :rA R K \:×} Ü
34 7 F 77 FF 7 7 ` 8 IL= I L = = I Y :38 :b@?\:A:b]:˘DcGKPT @:>GGG :2A:BA5S PTRGGM :3:rAa8GGK \:e5 H ? • :\A R 5 K ::˚D P 3:> M :BA TMR M :²G VW :A:rA K \:2G K :˘> X 7 F = = F 7 É dDP ‹C:>GIL :sw5 :Dc TM8 @:{CA5 5H :D :BACA O “ :˘> G I YX :D† T ^ \:> G I k :s:\]? uX ’aP F I Iu` I k w = ‚ H F d>G XY :Minister of State :˘>G YX :s:}X ~’ :DM :rARGK \:s5 :2:G K:>F GIk }~VG a :{?5 V5H 7 F F F ¤O I 7 | F 6 = ôGV58 ` I [ :>GV :>GYX :D†^ \:r@:{CA5 5H :D M :BACA O“P :A:r\?DoaS P :e¤ x 4 :ý3\]:G 8 :yGV˜ :245§ :E :} ~VG GV 7 F ` I = = 7 dDP 3:>M G L :BAGTM :²G VW :{®?:DS M :rA RGK \ FF `Ik7 ` I k ‚ H F dD†^ :}~’ :b\?aS Do P :²C:Ì‹C:˘?GGK5 < = :} ~’ :iA:qC:²C:¯O K „ :>F GIk }~VG a :{?5 V5H Mr. Muhammad Afzal Sindhu: I would request the Federal Minister personally to come because he is the most required person here. I am just filling the proxy. F F F F ` Ik F Í •[ ` IV[ 520 :t?:DaKM :BC:2U :D† ^ :??fG K k h:DP :e?:}5 H • ~’ : ! ®C]: {?5 V5H : :@?5Š :EG ]:} ~VG G = 7 •ž 7 IY :fWa :?:D†GK^ :?A: K X^ diesel :?:D†GK^ :E :C}G ~Ø :²:B?K L 56 :d>G X : Diesel Electric Locomotives 7 ˚D†^ :;5K :?GVM :diesel electric locomotive :2:dD†G K ^ :?A:K X^electric Mr. Chairman: Minister Sahib, please explain. Mr. Muhammad Afzal Sindhu: I thinkÉÉ. Mr. Chairman: You are not sure. Mr. Muhammad Afzal Sindhu: No, no. But I know that diesel engines are also in operation. This is what I think. I will not say that I am hundred per cent sure but I know that the diesel engines are also in use. Mr. Chairman: I think let us take help of General Qazi because he has remained the Minister for Railways. Senator Lt. Gen. (R) Javed Ashraf: Sir, these are basically diesel engines. The electric engines purely which run between Lahore and Khanewal are over and above these.
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36 F F 7 F I ‚ aH F | ` I [ :t?aK : DM : BC: 2U : : ? < =: 2G K point : C} G ~Ø ! >G k }~VG : {?5 V5H : :¯y:yGK ž 4 § :s?:}56 S ~VG GV F FFF I w= FFII•=F = II = main :×}:2::d>Ü G K G YX :D†^ \:3:sM 5 :B?ùñP :2:\]C:>G K GGGGYLXX :> :>5 C:t?:Da K M :BC:˘> YL :> : coaches ` ‚ F ` ‚ w= ` ¥ 7 „7 I K :s5 :e¤K :£A:3: M a8side lines :˘D†^ :?A:b@?\:¡?KK„„X^G :? :BA M 3:¯8 :Ì‹C:25 U :D† ^ :? V a8 :A M :{‹C:d>a G ;a S :3:a 8 lines F ‚ F F 7 = F 7 = :d>GGIYX :DT¤¦ :3:>M I L : face :2:A:Ò:D†K M 5H ^ : pressure :sÍ ?V[ :£A:2:>¥ M K GGIk :±? V H :r}G ~Ø ::d?y3 K K H :> I L G GGF G ‚ G 7 dDcT †^ ?aS :£¥ AX^ :political will :£¥ AM :£ M :e› A ¤ S É F 6 6 ‚ H F de5H ?• :3\]:s:d23G85G K ¤ ¦ :e 5 H ? • :s?: 5 S :>F GIk }~VG a :{?5 V5H ‚F F ‚ ` | ‚ F F œ | F :•?5 8 • :z3:D58 P C\:£:e?M 5 H • :}5 ~4 :¯• ? ƒ ! >F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H : :Ay_ V[ :¯ù C:y 4 § :{?5 V5H F É F dDN :>3G8 M :\Aø :qC¸?’P C:3:tC:˘D†a 8 ^ 6 F I ‚ H F ˚D†^ :±CA“ :?GVM :? „ :{‹Ca ! e5 H ?• :t?5 V ø :s5 :>G k }~VG a :{?5 V5H F ` F 7 Ó 8 F F F IV[ :A5H :DM :²xk :•]:tC:2U :D† ^ :±CA “ :D [ :e5 H ?• :3\]:C}G G ~Ø ! ®C]:{?5 V5H ::B?S :t?5 V ø :} ~VG G 7 F FF ` 7M I4Xu I k I Y 7 :DIM¦ C\:D :\@\?:25KK4ÖYX C]:t?:r\?a XGGGu :dD† ^ :{\]}:£Ü :2@?n 5 VK› \\:b@?\:DG [ :e5 [ :> :> :tC:˘>X :{®? S F F = 6 O H IY 7 ` F :A:³?:2C3:?:sC3:D“a aKG K M „ a M [ :\A®:DcX ^ T D M :Ò:>5 G X :orders :DM :cement export :b@?\:eGGK…5= DM :?yC K K F ¤VO ` F :D†^ \:A X^:export orders cancel :r\?¦ :b]:>G :D†^P :DQ ]\:A“ :ðaH :2C3:?:?yC:DG K M „G K K [^P :2ÖYX C]:˘D† :DQ ]\ F F 7 F F IY I L = F F IY :A:B?X^ù ñ P :? „ :2@?n 5 V › \\:A:²C:Ìf P G K Ñ :tC:d>GGX :D†^ \:r@:> :wagons :AM :BC:DO C]:rA RGK \:2vK AG T M :> G X F F 7 I= ImK 7 F I :r@:>GGGLVG :> ]:D[ :±?¦ :]@:3CA8 TM› :A:BC:D O C]:rA RGKX \:\]C:> YX :D† ^ \:A: ^ orders cancel :˘D†^ :?XY \ F F = mK ˚>GGGGIYXX :suX \?5S :z@:> II L :BAGTM :> VG ]:A M :BC::d>F I Y :D†^ \ F ‚ F de5 H ?• :3\]:sG8 56 :>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H Mr. Muhammad Afzal Sindhu: Mr. Chairman, his question is very relevant but the problem is that as far as I know which is nowhere in the questions and answers papers, but I personally know that the Railways is not in a position to lift even more than 60% of the freight from Karachi to downstream. The Railways is very much short of the coaches and specially the freight coaches are in real scarcity. The Railways is trying to meet the requirement and requesting all the concerned Departments that
37 more funds may be given so that the coaches may be launched. There are agreements going on for the import of the locomotives, as far as the manufacturing is also being done here in Pakistan and certain built over coaches are also under consideration in the agreement. We will do it. Presently, what is available, we are unable to provide the wagons for... ` F M Ik H 8 7 Í F F F IV[ :3 : clear :>G :A:ÒM5 :D†^ :±CA “ :²C:C}G K G ~Ø :3:{?:sa 5K C ! ®C]:{?5 V5H ::B?S :t?5 V ø :} ~VG G 7 FFF 7 F •^ F IVGmK •8 ` þ = I YL I = :sX ?aS :?3 KM :AM :¡? „ :tC 3:y3:>MGK H GGG ]:sa C:B?GV8 \?:sa K G :A:>P X :> : funds :t?aK :DM :rARGK \:3N C:B]@ 7 7 F = :coordination :ð= ?¦ :DM :BC:F Railway Department :3C:d>NGIYX :s•^X ?:?3:saS K M w 5 : export :\]C:> GIYX 7 F F 7 F 7 IYVG•^F I mK • 8 •8 ` d>GGX :sX ?:??:3:DaSKS5 MO :±?:D k M 3:> M ]:sa C:ð?= ¦ :D M :investment :sa C :B?GV8 \?a K :2G K:AP :r3 M ` É ôGV58 6= 6 ‚ H F d25 VH ?• :¡ATR„ :E :s:dD†5^ :²G VW :s: 5 :>F GIk }~VG a :{?5 V5H F ‚ É F M7 wa6 7 F F ¥ F Ik ‚ aH F F 8 ` I [ :£ :{?:s5K C:e…5= ::DP :B? SV< :t? 5 ø :£?5 = :r} G ~Ø ! >G }~VG :{?5 V5H ::>G ]3a8 :¡ATR„ :} ~VG GV 7 ò• M F ` F w= uF w = I :3mk :D†^ : financial crunch :˘D†^ :s : £ :\yVœ :t?:DaKM :rARGK \:2U :s :s:\:b?:?X a S V …• :2:sG K 5 :>G k :˘:D† ^ F F FF I F 7 :¯• ?:DS [ :BATGIk \:BC:d>F GIX Y :£M :auction :>GIVG k \:£M :prime locations :sÍ :e…5= :DP :BAO C]:rA RGK \ F F FFF M :dD†^ :z\CA“NO :£ :BAA:•f5 G8à :rA RGK \:˚D† ^ :?GVM :Ì3 a H :3:B?a 8 L • :D PPOP :BA …MP= C:A:DQ ]\:BA5 \C:D C]:D A X ^ F ‚ F Ik F–GI nM F :•f:2:˘D5 G8 à G K P ?:?5SG V M : discuss >G :BCAC:tC:AGP M :s ?:£aK :rA RGK \:×}Ü :B@:²C:2G K U :D†^ :±?G V H :C} G ~Ø ` F F u M = ÞO 7 F F :?Va8 C:E:Ì‹C:3C:2:D†X 5 N U ^ :£:²G VW :¯?:{?:z}]@:D5 KK 5Ë P :e?5 H •SV :B?:t? 5 ø :dD† ^ : issue : ?„ : ¡CA ø 7 7 F FFF 7 ‚ I •8 I mK •8 u I F ` :DM :tC :A:>P G YX :DT¤¦ :3:Mimport and export :sa C::3M :y3GK H :>G VG ]:sa C::EX :\]C:> G YX :DT¤¦ :?V58 :{\A}aP G ~K C F F 7 F = dDcT †^ ?aS :£¥ ?5 S :z@:{\? 5S C:>GIL C:Dc T O F ‚ F de5 H ? •:3G8 \]:s56 ::>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H Mr. Muhammad Afzal Sindhu: Mr. Chairman, there is a policy for selling and leasing out the land and everything is being done according to the rules. There are not billions, but some money is with the Railways and we are trying to increase in it. Thank you. Mr. Chairman: Next Question No. 100, Mashhadi Sahib.
38 100. Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Will the Minister for Interior be pleased to state: (a) the number of F. C. Platoons established in NWFP during the last two years indicating also the number of persons appointed in each platoon; and (b) whether there is any proposal under consideration of the Government to increase the number of said platoons, if so, the details thereof? Senator A. Rehman Malik: (a) Total 24 Platoons consisting 43 persons in each, plus 203 persons as allied staff have been raised during the year 2010. The break up of one platoon (43 personnel) is as under:ê Naib Subedar = 01 Havildar = 02 Naik = 02 L/Naik = 04 Sepoy = 34 43 Personnel other than Sepoy are appointed by promotion. (b) 76 Platoons are under consideration of the Government to be raised during the next two years in three different phases.
During visit to Peshawar on 19-06-2009, after getting detailed briefing on law and orders situation in NWFP, the Prime Minister has approved creation of 100 x platoons for HQ Frontier Constabulary with total expenditure of Rs.2230.900 million in four phases. Out of which above 24 platoons with expenditure of Rs.547.150 million have been raised. However, next installment will
39 be released after review of 1st installment at Prime Minister level (Annex-A). (Annexure have been placed in the Table of the House as well as Library)
Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Yes Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask the Minister that although itãs a very heartening thing that the sacrifice of the F.C. has been realized and the importance of the F.C. has been recognised after the Army action is over. Naturally, the Army has to move out as quickly as possible and the F.CÉ.. Mr. Chairman: What is your question? Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Sir, my question is that the F.C. live in pitiable conditions. Has the honourable Minister made any plan to increase their wages and to give them better living conditions and other facilities as enjoyed by the employees of the other forces? Mr. Chairman: Minister for Interior. Senator A. Rehman Malik: Mr. Chairman, yes, we have moved a summary for enhancing their salaries and equating it to the normal police officials and obviously their welfare is being looked into and they have been brought equivalent to the other allies. ‚ 7 IF I É Ž ‚ H F d>GGYX :DTN :‹C:e5 H ?• :3G8 \]:˘> YX :DcTIn :D O :±CA“ :?:{‹C:e„a 5H ? • :yG V [ \:È?:œ S :>F GIk }~VG a :{?5 V5H 99. *Hafiz Rashid Ahmad: Will the Minister for Defence Production be pleased to state the details of requests received in Pakistan Ordnance Factory for provision of weapons to Khasadars and other security agencies in FATA during the last five years
40 indicating also the details of the weapons provided in response thereof? Mr. Abdul Qayyum Khan Jatoi (Minister for Defence Production: The reply to the above question is as under: POF has supplied Weapons to Law enforcing agencies in Khyber Pakhtoon Khwa/FATA during the last five years as under:- êêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêêê
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41 7 F ( ( eRS Cy k) F 7 F É = ‚ F :DM : FATA :£?O S :±CA“ :? „ :BC:dBAF X ^ :? V GIn :ðaH A:>a P GGIk:˘> 8 3M :2K :e• 5 :{‹C:a :>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H Ik dD†^ :>G :r\?5K F F u ‚ F F •R¦ :?3:?KM V …| :2Š•¦ C:A:MF.C. and Police :DP :E X ! >F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H ::B?F :\yH :EG :\C@} Ë G 7S GV 7 7 Ik7ÚPF I Y 7 Ú P •Rž • R ž M Police :2U :D†^ :?GGVKVN :??5 8 :2:>G K GG :{;GGVÙ :BC:\]C:>X :t?:r}a K G ~Ø ::{; V Ù :byŠ G :by Š G :£:tC:˘D†^ F 7 F P M M •¦ :{?5K :z}Ë ]@:dD†^ :?GG VN :? V M :supply :AM :BC:û5 ?Ô› :DM :tC:D †^ :£:demand :A:£:D5H § C:D P :and F.C. F ‚ :Pakistan Ordnance Factory purely Army :2vK AGTM :D†^ :2 x Vp› :®C]:NOC :D[ :GHQ :2U :A 5H F F ddD†^ :s•58 :DcTO DM :DP 3:Msupply 2Š•¦ C:A M Mr. Chairman: Minister Sahib, one minute, I am putting this question on Tuesday, F ‚ §| • I= ••´ I • • ´ I ` :@A˜“ :2Š•LK :±CA :;C:dD†ˆ ^ :>G ::{CA5 5 H :³GG :2:˘>G K G ‹C:3:DM O :{CA 5 5 H :³ :?:tC:\]C:„ > G Œ 3 a8:AM :±CA “ :tC:{‹Ca Yes Mashhadi Sahib on his behalf. ! e5 H ? • Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: 101. *Senator Muhammad Talha Mahmood: Will the Minister for Interior be pleased to state the details of cases of corruption and misappropriation surfaced in NADRA during the last five years indicating also the names and designation of the officers and officials found involved in those cases and the action taken against them?
Senator A. Rehman Malik: 158 corruption and misappropriation cases surface in NADRA during the last five years i.e. May 2005 to April 2010. The names designation and action taken against the officers/officials involved in these cases are enclosed as Annex-A.
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Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Sir, detailed reply has been given by the Minister, but I would like to ask regarding these 158 corruption and mis-appropriation cases,
47 how much amount was involved. Itãs reported that Nayyar Baber was involved in corruption and mis-appropriation of Rs.2.5 crore and the other, were involved in crores. Has he a rough figure as how much money is involved and what action has been taken? Although the cases have been registered, but in Pakistan the cases have been registered and twenty years have passed and those people enjoy lives abroad. F ‚ F de5 H ?• :3G8 \]:s 56 : >F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H Senator A. Rehman Malik: Mr. Chairman: I have a long list of this, I can share it with them. •[ ‚ F de?5 H • :@? Š Í :EG ]:s:56:>F GIk }~VG aH :{? 5H 7 5 5 V F F ` F F H VÙÚP M F I4Xu 8 F Í •[ IV[ :DM :>5 :2U :D† ^ :z@:¯G :£:BC:>G :DP :e?5 H • :3\]G ! ®C]:{?5 V5H ::@?5Š :EG ]:} ~VG G F P 7 • 7 F Data Entry :s•lG :>:DGIYX M :illegal processing :A:ðP a• :\]C:>GIYX :{?yk Л :DM :corruption :×; S ‚ F 7 F O ` • Sl. No. :2A:£5S PM ::{?5 V5H :> F¤GV :£ NM :A::£X ^ :illegal processing :£A:>:3A¥ MGIk 8 G T aI4 :DP :Operators JK ‚ FF7 Sl. No.25, Security Guard, Sl. :2U :>GI< G @:{‹C:fa WXa= :˘y• ?:•?:2©5 8 K U :BA:?X^ VSK^ ?:?CA@:3:a O a815 F F I :?VWa6 A:2:DaP G K [ :e?5 H • :3\]:>:G8 G k No. 29, Naib Qasid and Sl. No. 30 Sweeper. 7 ‚ •á R P F :B?XY ]:s C]:3N C:˚D†^ :û ° :?GVM :D[ : illegal processing :?„ :y• ?:•?:\]C ©5 8 K sweeper :2U :?ˆ :BAX^ ? a S 7 JŠ| = IY ˚?:A:±?:?ˆX^ SV„G M :?:Dò :tC:fWa :A:> P G X :D† ^ \:3:MSweeper processing :3 a8 F F F F Ik I L = 7 M F Ik ‚ aH F F ˜6 ` I [ :gfà :>GG :dD†^ :> :{?:£5K :úCy:2k G K ! >G }~VG :{?5 V5H : :²xk :>— \:rC:} ~VG GV F ‚ ` F ` F F u › • IL= I k :DPP :E:dDX ?:?5SG VM :3:ðM•GI5K :D TM ?:D ¦ :3A 8 GTaI4 ::b]:2:>U GG :z\]}:>: Ü abetted crime :2U :?ˆ :B]3 M F 7 ‚ 7 ‚ Ik–M ` K w5= :CAT58 : I.D.Card :>G ::A:A:?:sP^XX„ :D[ :}?:dD†X Y5 K ^ C3¤aK :D PP A:D ^HM 3:z\A:¯?:A:² M a ƒ a VG8 @::recently :s C 7 7 this kind of abetment is there. It is not that he sits on the A:BAPX ^ :?VG8 @ computer as an operator dealing with the data. No, it is abetment in terms of assisting corruption. F 6 Mr. Chairman: Section 34 of Pakistan Penal Code. :B]\?XY :s 5 de5 H ? •
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49 (b) the names of the companies from which the said vehicles were purchased; and (c) the procedure adopted for the said purchase? Senator A. Rehman Malik: 143 vehicles have been purchased by NADRA during the last three years i.e April 2007 to April 2010. The make, model and price of vehicles in detail is attached at Annex-A. (b) The names of companies from which the said vehicles were purchased are mentioned in Annex-A. (c) The vehicles have been purchased as per the procedure vide PPRA Rules 42C (Vii).
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Mr. Chairman: Answer taken as read, any supplementary? Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Yes, please Sir. Mr. Chairman: Please. Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Sir, the answer is given in detail by the honourable Minister but I would just like to ask a simple question that in 2008, seven vehicles were bought. In 2009, six vehicles were purchased and in 2010, 143 vehicles are bought. Have we become so rich that we can afford such lavish luxuries. Thank you sir. Senator A. Rehman Malik: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, it is not a matter of being lavished, it is a matter of what services you are going to give the public. As I earlier explained with the workload and number of offices increased, we had to purchase new vehicles. So, these vehicles are not luxury but for the public service. Thank you. Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Next question Zahid Sahib
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54 Motion: Condonation of Delay in Presentation of Report of the Committee. ` m H É ‚ F To move Item ::˚>GIYX : present :e?5H • :s•5KF :>GI’ :y?X Y ¦ :>F GIk }~VG aH :{?5 V5H F ` ` 6 :˘e5 H ?• :²xk :{?5 V 5H :on his behalf, please move item No.3.::byGVl[ :}~U C@:s:5 No.3, É Ž F e5 H?• :yGV[ \:È?œ S :{?5 V 5H the session is still going on, the sitting is still going on, Thank you. Senator Saeeda Iqbal: On behalf of Mr. Shahid Hassan Bugti, Chairman, Standing Committee on Cabinet Secretariat, Inter- provincial Coordination and Special Initiatives, I beg to move that under sub-Rule (1) of Rule 171 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate, 1988, the delay in presentation of the report of the Committee on the Bill to provide for the establishment of the Earthquake Reconstruction and the Rehabilitation Authority (ERRA) [ The Earthquake Reconstruction and Rehabilitation Authority Bill, 2010 ] , be condoned till today. Mr. Chairman: It has been moved that under sub-Rule (1) of Rule 171 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate, 1988, the delay in presentation of report of the Committee on the Bill to provide for the establishment of the Earthquake Reconstruction and Rehabilitation Authority (ERRA) [ The Earthquake Reconstruction and Rehabilitation Authority Bill, 2010 ] , be condoned till today. (The motion was carried)
Presentation of Report of the Committee Mr. Chairman: Please move item No.4, on behalf of Senator Bugti. Senator Saeeda Iqbal: Mr. Chairman, on behalf of the Chairman, Standing Committee on Cabinet Secretariat, Inter-
55 provincial Coordination and Special Initiatives, I beg to present the report of the Committee on the Bill to provide for the establishment of the Earthquake Reconstruction and Rehabilitation Authority (ERRA) [ The Earthquake Reconstruction and Rehabilitation Authority Bill, 2010 ] . Mr. Chairman: Report stands presented. :3 MYes, Bukhari Sahib, please move item No.5. Legislative business F ‚ We can pass it.:D†^ :>GIL= :amendment :£¥ AM :>GIk :tC Item No.5,d> GIn 7 7 ‚ ` F ¥ ¥ w5= Í •[ IV[ :original text :?„ :tC:AP :D†^ :£ ‹C: amendment :£A:sM :e:5 5H:@?5Š :EG ]:} ~VG G F 7 F þ= Ik` ` [ ` [ = I Y • 7 7 I 4 Xu 7 ^F › :sG :>::•}3GGGXG8 ~KG ¤GV :eGTIGV :A:DPR^ L Q:d>X :D† \:®:syGK 5V8 :?GVM :2:DQU R S :? Va 8 :> :2?:Dc† U KSK TT ?:?A:a X ^ D ? ¦4 :r\? u F 7 F 7IL= u 7 I Y 8 O F Ik 7 7 :A:?X^ GVM :2U :D†^ :? V RaS :>GG :s:?X V a 8 :>X :Dc T @:r@:amendment :£?S :b]:2U :D†^ :? < JGK @:D P :> G :{C:d:?5 <= ::? K A X^ ‚ F F F H In F F F ‚ ¥ :B@:Ò5 d>G :? V58 practice ::²C:AG K M :tC::dDP ?5S
56 Mr. Chairman: We may now take up second reading of the Bill that is clause by clause consideration of the Bill. The question is that Clause 2 do form part of the Bill? (The motion was carried)
Mr. Chairman: Clause 2 stands part of the Bill. We may now take up Clause1, the Preamble and the Title of the Bill. The question is that Clause1, the Preamble and the Title do form part of the Bill? (The motion was carried)
Mr. Chairman: Clause 1, the Preamble and the Title stand part of the Bill. Please move item No.6, Bukhari Sahib. Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bukhari: I beg to move that the Bill further to amend the Code of Civil Procedure, 1908 [ The Code of Civil Procedure (Amendment) Bill, 2010 ] , be passed. Mr. Chairman: It has been moved that the Bill further to amend the Code of Civil Procedure 1908 [ The Code of Civil Procedure (Amendment) Bill, 2010 ] , be passed. (The motion was carried)
Mr. Chairman: The Bill stands passed unanimously. (Desk thumping)
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Sir, one of the Bills that was under discussion and under scrutiny was the Bill on the Competition Commission of Pakistan and there were certain decisions that were taken. They were taken by consensus. All the members were on board and to my great amazement, sir, none of those aspects have been reflected in the drafting of the new Bill that has come on behalf of the Senate. Mr. Chairman: Senate has not sent the Bill. Senator Syeda Sughra Imam: The Committee, sir. Not the Senate. After correction, the Committee sent its proposals in draft form, sir, and the decisions that were taken, which are recorded decisions, sir, in that Committee, were supposed to be reflected in the legislative process. Mr. Chairman: The report has already been laid yesterday and the members were present, Ishaq Dar sahib was here, Wasim Sajjad sahib was here. Senator Syeda Sughra Imam: But, sir, the report is inaccurate. I would request you and if I can just draw your attention 74 to a specific section of the Bill, there was a decision taken in the Committee through consensus, every member agreed to that point of view and that was that the Bill that was referred by the National Assembly of Pakistan to the Senate and then that Bill was referred by yourself to the Standing Committee. The Standing Committee gave recommendations on that Bill. There was a particular section that the National Assembly had inserted in the Government draft which was section 42, which read that there was appeal to the Court and in that new Section, it was stated in the National Assembly that it would be appeal to the High Court. What the Senate Standing Committee decided to give its own recommendation and that recommendation was that in place of the High Court, there would be appeal to a Competition Appellate Tribunal. Having said that, after the Competition Appellate Tribunal the Supreme Court was going to be the next court of appeal. In the original Government draft, sir, the Supreme Court was the first court of appeal. The National Assembly had introduced an amendment whereby they inserted a clause which said it should be appeal to the High Court before it goes to the Supreme Court. The Senate Standing Committee on Finance, by consensus, all members were there including the Chairman, decided, sir, that in place of the High Court on a suggestion given by Professor Khurshid Ahmed sahib that it would be the Competition Appellate Tribunal in place of the High Court and then the next court of appeal would be the Supreme Court. In the drafting and in the report that was laid before us yesterday, instead of including the section which was determined that after the Competition Appellate Tribunal it would be the Supreme Court, that section stands missing. I spoke to the Ministry of Law this morning to find out how this was drafted, sir, and they mentioned that they had also inserted a section that 75 reflected the minutes of the meeting whereby after the Tribunal the next court of appeal would be the Supreme Court but unfortunately, the report that was tabled yesterday before all of us, there is no mention of that section. Mr. Chairman: O.K. Now, you are talking about this Competition Bill not the Banking Companies. Senator Syeda Sughra Imam: Yes, it is correct, sir. Mr. Chairman: I think what we should do is, we should send this report as well as the Bill back to the concerned Standing Committee to look into it and remove the anomalies which are being pointed out by Senator Sughra Imam. Senator Syeda Sughra Imam: Thank you sir. Mr. Chairman: Yes, Mashhadi sahib. Point of Order: Load Shedding in Karachi Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Thank you very much Mr. Chairman. 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Thank you. The House now stands adjourned to meet again on Monday, the 17 th May, 2010 at 4:00 P.M. ------[The House was then adjourned to meet again on Monday, the 17 th May, 2010 at 4:00 P.M.] ------ 80