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bulletin of the association of · professional engineers of the province of manitoba june, 1973 2 THE MANITOBA PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER

Published by the Association of Professional Engineers of the Province of Manitoba · 710-177 Lombard Avenue, Winnipeg, Manitoba R3B OW9 President - C. R. McBain, P. Eng. Vice-President - G. A. De Pauw, P. Eng. Managing Director and Registrar - T. W. Algeo, P. Eng. Council - S. Barkwell, C. R. Bouskill; N. P. Feschuk, D. R, Grimes, J. S. Hicks, A. M. Lansdown, M. D. McKall," R. E. Scouten. The Manitoba Professional Engineer is published under the direction of the Bulletin Committee. Editor - E. A. Speers, P. Eng. Associate E4itor - J. W. J. Lewis, P. Eng. Committee Members - R. M. Stokes, A. J. Poetker, M. N. Collison, C. H. Templeton, R.R. Foster, R. J. Rennie, W. R. Newton, A.G. Kuluk, L. J. :WW.tney, S. J. Armstrong. Opinions expressed are not necessarily those held by the A. P. E. M. or the Council of the A. P. E; M

WINNIPEG, MANITOBA, . JUNE, 1973

President's Message By C. R. McBAIN, P. Eng.

I aui pleased to be able to report to you ed to be able to report that we have hired on some significant happenings that have an Assistant Registrar and Director of taken place both in our Association and Career Development. Guy R. Arnott, P. nationally, Eng., joined our staff early in May to fill Manitoba Professional Engineers have this new challenging position. Guy Arnott been honoured in that one of their num­ is 26. years old, holds a B.Sc. C.E. from ber, Mr. Russell Hood, has been elected University of Manitoba ( 1968) and a President of The Canadian Council of Pro­ M.B.A. from University of Saskatchewan fessional Engineers. In this office Mr. ( 1972). He comes to us from the Saskat­ Hood will be the official spokesman for chewan Department of Highways where the close to 70,000 Professional Engineers he has been involved in both design and in Canada. He is the third Manitoban to project management. We wish him well in hold this high office - Mr. P. Blirke­ his new career. Gaffney, P. Eng. was C.C.P.E. President The Technical Service Council of Can­ in 1946 and 1947 and Mr. W. L. Ward­ ada has opened an office in Winnipeg - rop, P. Eng. was President in 1962. We in fact they are located just across the extend our sincere congratulations to Mr. hall from our A.P.E.M. office. They are Hood on his election. well known in the field of placement serv­ The ·annual meeting of Canadian Coun­ ices, particularly for scientific and techni­ cil was held in Moncton, N.B. on May cal people including, of course, professional 10th .. and 11th. A.P.E.M. was represented engineers. We believe that their presence by our C.C.P.E. delegate, Stu Barkwell, in Manitoba will be of benefit to both by your President as an observer, and by employers of professional engineers and our Managing Director, Terry Algeo. While those professional engineers who may be the meeting will be reported on by others, seeking employment and A.P.E.M. will co­ I would like to note that one of the im- operate with them whenever possible. .. portant results of the meeting was the · approval of a policy which will result in The Legislation Committee, the Employee a co-operative and. sensible relationship be­ Engineers Committee, and the University tween C.C:P.E. and The Engineering In­ Liaison Committee, among others, are all stitute of. Canada. prulticul.arly busy. We will have reports for' you on their activities in forthcoming In our owri' Association I am very- pleas- "President's Messages"; THE MANITOBA PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER s

FREE ENTERPRISE ENGINEERING viewpoint. Perhaps we shov,ld also con­ sider the individual engineer. By . D. R. GRIMES, P. Eng. A consultant has the freedom to manage Free enterprise has an unhealthy conno­ the engineering staff for the mutual be­ tation in many areas .of our community to­ nefit of the staff and the manager. Re­ day. Have we forgotten what it means? wards can be readily adjusted to suit pro­ Free Enterprise Engineering is the cour­ ductivity and ability. In fact, this is where age to stand forward, to obtain work on the consultant can ensure his productivity. merit, and be judged as a success or failure · The captive engineer in ·government or as both an Engineer and as a manager. industry can only expect advancement Only the competent can survive. Surely through attrition or through expansion of the result is excellence in engineering and his department. Salary increases are nego­ soundness iri business and engineering tiated for hin1 by more militant white collar judgment. Then perhaps our concern is workers. It is very difficult to adequately that the Free Enterprise Engineer makes recognize ability. But the consultant must money and may even show a PROFIT. recognize ability in order to survive, he Most engineering organizations b indus­ must nourish it or perish. To develop his try and government will agree th:tt Con­ potential, an engineer requires a variety sulting Engineers should be engaged to of experience, he needs to meet and work do overload work in times of peak volume, along with many different organizations, when the regrilar staff is fully employed. and to work for engineers with ability, Since the alternatives are limited, this does and with dedication to their profession. make obvious sense. This opportunity is not available every­ where and no segment of our profession Many very successful industries and some has a corner on these requirements. But government agencies maintain a small pro­ these opportunities are most often ·avail- ject engineering office. This office has the able in a consultant's office. · responsibility of engaging consultants for all work, transmitting the program to the The least understood -area of the con­ consultant while the consultants perform sultant's business is the fae for his services. all the engineering work. Normally, main­ The service provided is not easily measur­ tenance engineering is also the responsibili­ ed and a competent professional service ty of the project office. cannot be expected, if pricing is based oa selection of the lowest bid. Why do some let out all the work and others only the peak load?· Engaging a con­ Should the fee be based on the consul­ sultant, when a careful selection is made, tant's cost? If so, how do you control his ensures that the engineering work is being cost? Should it be based on the cost of performed by a group with varied expe­ the work? But no two jobs are similar and rience in your type of work. This group will not require the same input of En­ must perform well as the success of the gineering time and talent. · The APEM group depends on the reputation gained Schedule of Minimum Fees for Consulting from the work and on repeat business. Professional Engineering Services attempts to reconcile the difficulties mentioned. A · The cost of engineering is seldom measur­ fee schedule is available which pays only ed when performed by "in house" organi­ a portion of the cost of the consultant's zations. Salaries a-id overheads are most services, plus a fixed fee;' Therefore. effi­ often budgeted as an operating expense. ciency in engineering is rewarded indirect­ Not in a consulting engineer's office! Every ly within the fixed fee of !112 per cent of consultant is aware that the design and the estimated cost of the work. With this supervision process requires skillful and system, an inefficient office will find its careful management to keep costs to a profit margin dwindling to not4ing. minimum, yet produce good work. This is a much more difficult operation than per­ The most popular fee basis is still the forming good engineering alone. Engineer­ percentage fee, based 0 :1 the type of pro­ ing time can increase 50 per cent and more ject and the cost of the project. From the without control. No . office, without a cost owner's point of view, the fee is readily control program, can comp ~ te with the effi­ understood and the amount easily estimat­ ciency of a consultant's office. The consul­ ed. From the engineer's point of view, the tant is either efficient or bankrupt. type of work is allowed for, but the fee does not provide for variations in the en­ So far, we have discussed the most effi­ gineering input for similar ·types of work. cient and best method from the client's The engineer must learn when to work 4 THE MANITOBA PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER without profit in the hope that enough pro­ Surely these numbers indicate that the fees fitable work will mix with the unprofit­ presently paid are not resulting in excessive able to result in black figures at the end returns to the free enterprise engineer! of the year. The projects which proceed smoothly subsidize those which are beset by delays. + + + Every profession finds itself defending the fees charged from many sides. The "RUSS HOOD MEETS THE MEDIA claim is made that professions do not pro­ tect the public in this area. Our profession The Public Relation's Committee arrang­ is somewhat unique in that the free enter­ ed a press conference on May 16, 1973 prise engineer is in a minority. He niust to introduce Russ Hood, the newly in­ establish his fee schedule in association stalled President of the Canadian Council with senior engineers in govern1nent and of Professional Engineers of Canada. The industry who pay his fees. The user is well media was represented by Mrs. Susan Hoes­ represented in these negotiations. chen, Business Editor of the Tribune, Ed­ ward Speers, Editor, the A.P.E.M. Bulletin, The result of this arrangement can be Marshal Armstrong of C.K.Y. who rather measured, in general terms at least. First, likes breaded shrimp, Michael Scholl of though, what profit is reasonable for a C.J.A.Y. T.V. and Rod Macdonald of consulting engineering firm? Should the re­ C.F.R.W. A prepared statement "The En­ turn to the consultant be measured as a gineering Profession" stimulated interviews trained professional or as a business man­ the tone of which indicated that the press ager, or as both? Perhaps it is unsafe to would like to hear more from us. Engineers measure the consultant's remuneration received good publicity from the meeting against that of the doctor, lawyer or archi­ with press, radio, and T.V. coverage. tect. I suspect the majority of readers ques­ tion the size of the incomes of these profes­ sionals. Certainly the . government agency + + + which pays doctor's fees is questioning average net incomes which appear to ex­ Statement by R. Hood, P. Eng., President ceed $40,000 per annum. of Canadian Council of Professional Well then, what remuneration should a Engineers of Canada consultant expect as a manager? On the Prairies, there are many consulting firms THE ENGINEERING PROFESSION of varying size. Annual business ·volume varies from less than $25,000 to many The Engineering profession, more than multi-million dollar businesses. In Winni­ any other professional group, in the past· peg, I estimate at least four firms, and has taken the lead regarding the impro­ probably six, handle in excess of one mil­ vement of our environment to meet the lion dollars in fees per year. Some firms needs of society. The engineering profes­ would gross far in excess on this amount. sion will continue to accept this challenge in the future and will do so responsibly. A recent survey (January, 1973) reported that of 275 principals and shareholders of Unfortunately, many of the critics who consulting engineering firms residing in the · have been publicly debating about man's Prairie provinces, the salaries were distri­ complete disregard for the environment buted as follows: have done so irresponsibly and in fact have no valid or concrete solutions to offer. It DISTRIBUTION ANNUAL SALARY ~s my opinion that !2Ur _profession has been 66% $19,999 m the forefront regarding the identifica­ to tion of environmental problems and more 21% $20,000 to $24,999 important in developing and implementing 8% $25,000 to $29,999 practical solutions to these problems. The profession has to maintain a high priority 5% $30,000 and over in understanding and relating to the other sciences with which we are integrally· asso­ , How do these numbers compare with ciated. business managers in construction, or in­ surance, or manufacturing, or accounting, Many of the environmental problems that or retailing, or any other enterprise? I sus­ Caaada faces today are peculiar to our pect managers of government agencies cou'ntry. The development of Canadian na­ would receive salaries at least as high. tural resources and associated secondary THE MANITOBA PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER 5

industries are the· major influences of our necessarily because of the . erroneous, un­ economy. Accordingly, it is very important substantiated and misinterpreted inforina­ that we as a profession ensure that govern­ tion being provided to the decision makers ment and private industry recognize the by the emotional minority. It is my opinion long term advantages of using Canadian that our professional association and the engineers for Canadian projects. The latter individual practising engineers have to point is really only a projection of the logic place this problem as a top priority by established in the recent reports by the making every · effort to ensure the known Science Council of Canada in which were facts are clearly identified .to th,l=l public cfoarly identified the advantages of having and that we clearly interject when these a strong Canadian technological capability. facts . are not properly used. The Science Council reported that all Ca­ nadians benefit as a result of a strong technological base in our own country. In this regard, the ability of the engineering community to foresee problems and /re­ sent solutions will be ·directly relate to their research ability and experience in Canada. Positive action from the point of view of the profession's responsibilities will be taken in th!l ensuing months jointly be­ tween the Canadian Council of Professional Engineers and the Engineering .Ipstitute of Canada. On another matter of importance, the profession is taking positive action on the pJa!}Iling for engineering manpower require­ ments to meet the future needs of Canada. The establishment of the Engineering Man­ power Council, representing the user, the academic community and the profession, is the first significant step in the planning of our human resources in the technological field. It is anticipated that the studies carried out by this group will provide a sound basis for the effective development of the engineering profession. Also of high priority is the need for the continued maintenance of active study of the interface of the various segments of M. D. McKall, P. Eng. the engineering community. Because of the changing characteristics of the needs of COUNCILLOR M. D. McKALL society and the development of our edu­ cational facilities, the study of this inter-· By R. J. RENNIE, P. Eng. face has to be continuing in nature and My first impression of Dave McKall was CCPE will have to give leadership jointly that of a man in control and going places. with the para professionals to further de­ He is Manager of the Telecontrol Depart­ fine engineering activity, and to describe ment of Manitoba Hydro at the ripe old the typical roles of members of the en­ age of 84 and what better control can one gineering team as the basis for guidelines have than being able to provide the means for industry and other employers in the whereby a power station in Plum Coulee optimum use of engineering personnel, un­ or some such place can be controlled from der conditions where the "engineering Winnipeg. team" concept is applicable. Born in St. Boniface, Dave has been Finally, I am concerned about the .in­ living there ever since. He is an Electrical a}>Jlity of our profession to adequately com­ Engineer graduate of U of M ( 1962) and municate with the public in concise and has several management achievements to simple terms, on major projects that affect his credit. our present and future way of life. This inability to communicate has resulted in Dave's sincere desire to participate in projects being terminated .or delayed un- the affairs of the APEM was exemplified 6 THE MANITOBA PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER

at the 1969 Annual Meeting where he Manitobans who have made that journey, verbally told the assembly that he had Ray returned after a few years, and in never been asked to work on any com­ 1965 formed the Winnipeg consulting firm mittee. Those who abide by the maxim of Scouten, Mitchell, Sigurdson & Asso- "never volunteer", must have wondered a ciates. · little about Dave at that point. Never­ theless, it shows the nature of the man in this day and age when "volunteers" seem to be hard to find. Soon after, he was asked to serve on the Employee Engineers Committee which he did for one year before assuming the duties of Chairman of that Committee. One of his accomplishme:its here was to get recognition of collective negotiations by groups of engineers. In 1971, Dave decided to run for Coun­ cil and won a Seat on the Hydro vote sci to speak. He says it has been a tremendous experience working as a Councillor and makes the observation that Council does not function for consultants only but for all engineers. He would like to see more feedback from members to their Council­ lors about Association problems and above all, he would like to seJ the Association become something more meaningful for the membership than simply a licensing bureau. Unfortunately for the Association, Dave will be vacating his COU!lCil seat at the end of this term. He feels that he has a R. E . Scouten, P. Eng. duty to participate more in community Ray is married with four children, three affairs because his family (wife Janice, 3 boys and one girl, ranging in age from children) is making greater use of local seven to fourteen. Ray enjoys the summers facilities. It sounds as if Dave is about to at his cottage near Kenora, and hunts in volunteer again - perhaps this is the way the fall. He is a self-admitted "eating you go places and get control. The Com­ member" of the Winnipeg Squash Club. munities gain will certainly be the Asso­ ciations' loss. Ray brings to Council a backlog of ex­ perience in Association affairs, gained on Good luck Dave for the remainder of the Consulting Engineers Co.mmittee and your tour as Councillor and future en­ Legislation Committee. Dur~ng his term of deavours. office, he would like to see resolved the matter of a new Engineering Act, and + + + also the Association's role relative to or­ ganized employe.e engineer's groups. Ray feels that one of the major problems facing COU NCILLOR the APEM today is the lack of involve• ~ E. SCOUTEN, P. ENG. ment of young engineers in the affairs of the Association. By R. R. FOSTER, P. Eng. Ray Scouten was born in Benito, Mani­ + + + toba, and led a peaceful existence in that ., rural part of the Province until coming LOMBARD LINES · 'to Winnipeg to further his education at high school and University. Ray obtained By L. J. WHITNEY, P. Eng. his B.Sc. in Mechanical Engineering at the April 3 University of Manitoba in 1952. i Should engineers be included with other After graduation, Ray joined a Toronto professionals in collective bargaining groups? consulting firm and moved east. Like many At today's regular monthly meeting, Coun- THE MANITOBA PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER 7 cil agreed with a Legislation Committee commendations · to Corindl, two of which recommendation that such action is un­ were adopted. Council approved the re­ desirable. This most recent episode in the commendation that the Nominating Com­ continuing dialogue regarding collective mittee report include the names of six can­ bargaining and the employee engineer once didates of which at least three shall not be again sparked considerable debate among retiring Council members. The ·recommen­ the members of Council. Although Council dation that ·one member of Council be had agreed ·at its meeting of March 6 to appointed to ,. represent the erigineers iri extend assistance to engineers in a collec­ areas of Manitoba other than Winnipeg tive bargaining group whether or not such was also accepted. Council · agreed to ap­ a group includes other professionals, all point a Councillor to be responsible for but one Councillor voted in favour of the a specific area of the ·province. At today's Legislation Committee's recommendation. Itieeting Councillor ·Feschuk was named to President McBain will immediately make represent Eastern Manitoba, Councillor strong representation to the major employers Grimes to represent the Thompson and Lynn of engineers in Manitoba expressing the Lake area and Councillor DePauw to be opinion of Council. responsible for Western Manitoba. It was further agreed that all Councillors will con­ Council then received a report from the tact the Managing Director should they University Liaison Committee. By its own expect to visit a rural area where members admission the CGmmittee will not reorga­ of the Association might gather to meet nize the world but hopes to· make a few with a member of Council. Contrary to the modest worthwhile achievements in,cluding third recommendation of the Nominating an infusion of practising engineers · into Committee, Council voted to continue the· the orientation of first year students per­ present practice iri regard to candidate's haps in the form of a series of one hour histories and ballot information and, in lectures. Further, the Committee hopes addition, Council agreed to invite each that practising .engineers will put forward candidate to submit a brief resume of his problems of technical interest which could platform. The Committee had recommend­ be used by the faculty for real life exer­ ed that the information on the ·.ballot and cises. The Committee also intends to make · the history of each candidate be in accord­ concentrated efforts to ensure that faculty ance with the wording of Bylaw 3 and members teaching engineering subjects are not embellished. .Bylaw 3 ·provides only members of the Association. It was agreed for a history of each candidate's activities that President McBain would write to the within the Association. Dean of Engineering expressing the re­ commendations of the Committee on be­ half of Council. Council then turned its attention to a letter froni the University Liaison Com­ mittee in regard to a training program in May 1 professionalism being considered by the Canadian Council of Professional Engineers. In the absence of both President McBain The opinion of the Committee is that such and Vice-President DePauw, Past Presi­ a program should be national in scope dent Barkwell chaired today's meeting and and should be directed toward legislation steered Council through an eleven-item and the code of ethics. The Committee also agenda in near-record time. Approval of felt that the program should start with the monthly accounts, granting of licences, the graduating engineer and that eventually enrollment of Engineers-in-Training and all registered engineers should be requir­ the registration of new members were quick­ ed to pass an open-book type examination. ly dealt with . .Council noted that one of the Council agreed that the Director from referees of a prospective member had re­ Manitoba would be guided by the Com­ gistered the opinion that the Association's mittee's opinions at the C.C.P.E. Annual two year experience requirement . s insuffi­ Meeting. cient to qualify an engineering graduate for registration. Council agreed to invite The direction being taken by the Ontario the member to write to Council elaborating Association regarding Specialist and Coun­ on his opinion regarding experience re­ sulting Engineer designations next came quirements and presenting arguments up for discussion. Council agreed with the which might influence the present policy. C.C.P.E. Affairs Committee that· the A.P.E.M. is too small an organization to A report from the chairman of the pursue such a course at this time. How­ Nominating Committee was received by ever, Council requested that Director for Council. The report contained three re- Manitoba support an Alberta resolution re- 8 THE MANITOBA PROFESSIONAL ·ENGINEER

garding· these categories at the C.C.P.E. the opinions of others O\'er the reasonings Annual Meeting. The Alberta resolution of the men trained in handling physical asks that A.P.E.O. consider amending the events? recently announced regulations to make the designations of Consulting Engineer and Knowledge is our principal resource, Specialist available to licencees of A.P.E.O. which when used ethically contributes to As a basis for this resolution, Alberta warns .our progress professionally or in business. that the restriction of such designations to 'To progress in life we need principles, A.P.E.0. members only will be detrimental ideas, controlling concepts, and then to the unity of the profession across Can­ action with judgment, responsibility and ada and will not serve the public interest discipline. These are some of the concepts to the extent that it would . be served if developed in the April, 1973 issue of the the designations were available to licencees Royal Bank Monthly Letter. I think they as well as to members of A.P.E.O. Coun­ com? close to describing our engineer, cil further requested that the Director for particularly when r he is also seeking to Manitoba propose · an amendment to the 1\1- make progress ate the · risk of a set-back. berta resolution which would also make "He is a persori of ideas and creative· the designation of Consulting Engineer imagination, qualified in liis work by know­ and Specialist available to practising non­ ledge he has gained and stored, but not resident members of A.P.E.O. afraid to try new ways." Finally Council authorized a donation My purpose when I set out to write this of $75.00 to the University of Manitoba editmial was to emphasize the need for Engineering Society in support of the more engineers in the political sphere. En­ U.M.E.S. .Slide Rule Publication. gineers are the action people, senior in many governmental departments. I suggest that society's changing requirements dic­ + + + tated by the pressures of coming events in the physical world, make it mandatory th11t engineers be involved in the political THE AC'il'ION SET realms of decision making. -T.B.C. Lawrence A. Appley in h~ text "Mana­ gement in Action" observes that people can be placed in three categories: "The few who make things happen, FRIENDS OF THE RED SEA The many who watch things happen, REPORT The over\Vhelming majority who have By J. W. J. LEWIS, P. Eng. no idea what has happened." When Moses led the people of Israel We engineers are the people capable of out of Egypt he was confronted by the getting things done, but are we the ones Red Sea Crossing problem that had intri­ who make things happen? gued engineers for years. Was it an engineer or a politicillJl who The most economic scheme was to part fathered rural electrification in Manitoba? the waters and cross on the dry sea bed. While ·this approach would achieve the Was it an . engineer or a politician who objective of getting to the other side it is credited with the Red River Floodway? overlooked the environmental and social Who is credited with the action when impact of the ecology ·of the sea. a new industry settles in Mariitoba? (The An action group from the Fishermen's same fellow who doesn't take the blame Co-op protested interference . with their when one fails. ) aboriginal fishing rights stating that it We do not move in a purely physical would be generations before fishing return­ ' world. We need to balance the three ed to normal. The Chamber of Commerce . phases of life: physical, mental and moral. of the Town of Suez objected to their As engineers we have knowledge of many ~arbour being cut off from world trade. aspects of the physical world. We have the Youse guys down South are always ex­ "know how" which can be learned on the ploiting the North" a spokesman stated. project. The ''know why" is head work An ad hoc committee of wiSe men meet­ too often done by others. Should we accept ing under the banner "Better Dead than THE MANITOBA PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER

Red" put forward an alternative scheme recommending that it would be better to We regret to record . the death of cross the Dead Sea. This scheme had the D. L. Stenberg, P. Eng. Darwin Stenberg advantage that it would disturb the ecology served for several years on our Social Come someone else's sea. Nuclear submarines mittee and was at one time Chairman of were considered. the Committee. The debate would have continued were it not for a timely incentive grant from the Egyptian Army. Under the terms of the grant Moses had to get moving or his + + + people would be cut to pieces. It has been brought to the attention of The original water parting scheme was the Association of Professional Engineers adopted and the sea crossing safely ac­ ·that there exists a possible threat to public complished. The Egyptian Army followed safety through the potential failure of and Moses closed the crossing, drowning certain glue-laminated structural wooden the army, their animals and their women. beams, at one time manufactured by Glu­ Historians make no comment on the pollu­ lam Products Limited. While an attempt tion caused by th~ putrefying bodies and has been made to contact all users of these Moses is not known as an ecologist but his beams by several private and government sea crossing is· talked about to this day. agencies, our mombers are advised to in­ spect any installations of the beams manu­ factured by Glulam Products Limited that they may have been. involved with. Addi­ + + + tional details may be obtained at the Asso­ ciation office. -W. SALTZBERG, P. Eng. ON BEHALF OF THE CONSULTING FLIN FLON NEWS ENGINEERS COMMITTEE By M. N. COLLISON, P. Eng. + + + J. R. Bray, P. Eng. and wife, Helen, have returned from two weeks holiday to PRACTISING the West Coast. While there they visited Seattle and many of the Flin Flonners on WHEN NON-MEMBER! Vancouver Island. They also took in the OR CIM Annual Meeting in Vancouver where Bob was chairman of one of the sessions. WHY BE SO NEGLIGENT? Bob reports good weather - for that area - and an enjoyable holiday. (Text submitted by the Quebe~ Corpora­ W J. Stickney, P. Eng. recently spent tion, endorsed by all Provincial Associa­ several days at Trail, visiting the zinc tions at last CCPE Meeting) plant operations there. G. H. Kent, P. Eng. is still in Toronto. Canadian professional engineers are a He and Kay are sincerely hoping that this mobile lot. It is a big country with multi­ job will end soon so that they can get to national companies which do work in sever­ their summer home at Beaver Lake. al of the provinces and move their en­ gineers about. In the same way, consulting S. F. Liss, P. Eng. is back at work after firms contract work for clients of other spending a few weeks in Winnipeg under­ provinces; in which case it is the work that going therapy and examinations. Stan re­ moves about. ports lie is feeling much better, for which While in general consulting engineers we are all pleased. are well aware of the legal obligation con­ cerning practice in other proviriees, most Ethel and I were in Winnipeg for a · few other types of employers are not. .It follows days early in May, primarily to attend the that consulting engineers request tempo­ annual session of the Grand Guardian Coun­ rary licences to do work outside of their cil of Job's Daughters, but · also to do a own province, while other employers "for­ little shoJ?ping. The Council meetings were get" to advise their engineers to do so, good and the shopping was · terrific. probably under the delusion that one pro- 10 THE MANITPBA PROFESSIONAL ENGINEEU

vincial registration covers the whole of Can­ Dear Sir: ada. Dr. Lansdown's letter appearing in "The Engineers, of course, should know better, Manitoba Professional Engineer" dated but they also forget or procrastinate: such April 1973 greatly disturbed me and negligence can easily lead to trouble, since prompted me to make the following com­ illegal practice is usually discovered or re­ Jllen_ts. ported in connection with accidents or other notorious news. It is my belief that the disagreements be­ tween some of. the academics and the prac­ The provincial associations of engineers, tising engineers exist not because the aca­ being well aware of the mobility of its demics speak out, but because of the man­ members, have agreements ' to facilitate ner in which they do, either the granting of temporary licences A Professional Engineer has a greater or the admission of members through trans­ responsibility when- speaking. on matters in­ fer from one association to another. volving engineeririg projects than a lay­ But somehow, engineers don't use these man does. A Professor of Engineering, due facilities or, if they do, they wait until it to his special status in the layman's eyes, is too late. Such is evidenced by the fact has even a greater obligation to be care­ that most such demands must be satisfied ful that he does not mislead the public "yesterday"! Associations are expected to when commenting on public issues. process the applications in a few days, My own objections to the academics be­ while the applicants have had a few months coming involved in the Churchill River to think about it. controversy is that, in the process of doing Do you have to rely on your empioyer so, they have implied that the Professional to fill your own professional obligations? Engineers employed by Manitoba Hydro or do you have to be sued for illegal prac­ are not competent to do their work while, tice to be made aware of your professional at the same time, conveying the sugges­ obligations? tion that they are experts in this area. Look up your Code of Ethics. Dr. Lansdown suggests the establishment of a "Department of Hydro Resources" to weigh technical proposals made by Hydro + + + because public policy is being handled. Would he accept say a "Department of Human Resources" to weigh the curricu­ LETTERS lum of the Civil Engineering Department? Opinions expressed in Letters to th!'l Education, after all, is also public policy. Editor are not necessarily .those held by I cannot see how anyone can accept Dr. the Bulletin Committee, the A.P.E.M. or Lansdown's apology for what " ... appear the Council of the A.P.E.M. to be personal attacks ..." because " ... politics and technology become closely in­ The Editor termingled and sometimes almost indistin­ guishable to the untrained or undiscerning Dear.. Sir: eye." It should be the responsibility of Dr. Just a note to say that I thoroughly en­ Lansdown and his colleagues to separate joyed the April Bulletin and to express my these issues and make it dear to the public congratulations to you, your committee and whether he and his colleagues are speak­ the staff on a job well done. ing as concerned citizens or engineering experts. When speaking as the latter, they -ALLAN G. MOFFATT, P. Eng. should avoid implying incompetence of their professional colleagues, some of whom they trained themselves. Dr. Lansdown questions the sole respon­ sibility of Hydro to decide on power sup­ ··Dear Editor: ply, but he states "that it is the responsi­ bility of a University to educate those peo­ If people expect to have their letters ple in society who will take on their major read they should be brief. dutil'Js 20 years or so from now." He states Yours truly, that' "it is my duty to look toward possible futures at the tum of the century and -J. W. J. LEWIS, P. Eng. beyond, apply my particular expertise of a THE MANITOBA PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER 11

professor of Civil· Engineering and establish Dear Mr. Speers:- what must be taught now for those future challenges", and "I believe it is my res­ We read your Bulletin each time it ar­ ponsibility, both as an academic, and as a rives with great interest. ·It is obviously a professional with future oriented expertise, lively organ and generates the kind of to try to change this unhappy drift of activity we would like tb see with ours. events." I would be grateful if we could publish Dr. Lansdown seems to attribute to him­ a reprint in 6ur magazine of the humorous self superhuman powers of crystal-ball gaz­ table given on Page 14 of your .-,February, ing, combined with engineering expertise, 1973 issue. May we have permission? justified only by the fact that he is an Your very truly, academic, a Professor of Civil Engineer­ ing, and, he. forgot to add, the head of -P. J. CARSON, P. Eng. th'3 Civil Engineering Department, and a Editor Doctor of Engineering. Association of Professional Why should we doubt Manitoba Hydro's Engineers of B. C. expertise and believe that Dr. Lansdown not only knows what he is doin~, but also Editor's Note: Permission granted. has "future oriented expertise?' Because he_ says so? Because he is a professor? Dr. Lansdown should be reqi;tired to show that: Mr. Editor 1. He is "an impartial expert" as stated My teacher gave me a project to report in the newspaper advertisement for on Democrazy in Action. If I had known the Sunday, March 18th meeting on how much trouble ·1 would have had to South Indian Lake. -find · it I would have gone on unemploy­ 2. The Department of Civil Engineering ment instead. Maybe you can help find it is preparing its students to take on because I gotta hand it in to pass. Let me their major duties 20 years or so from tell you all I did. now. First I decided l would go to the Golden 3. He possessses "future oriented exper­ Boy House and write my report on the tise", · whatever that means, and that words of wisdom that I heard there. (Wal­ this is better than that of practising ter says you can throw paper darts. from engineers. the balcony at the members too). But my mummy wouldn't let me go. She say, Joe 4. He knows "best" what the Civil En­ Browski says they are a bunch of Sodo­ gineering curriculum should be. mites in that house and she says she knows what this is and no eight year old daughter 5. He is better equipped to teach con­ of hers is going to a place like that. tinuing education for engineers than the practising engineer ( if continuing Next I decided to go to the Juba House education is still required in view of and write my report on sity guvament. My his '"expertise" to teacl;t for the future). daddy wouldn't let me go there because they got bomb threats there and . my I fully support Dr. Lansdown's sugges­ daddy says it aint safe for man nor beast tions that " . . . the sooner we sto~ the (its OK for wimmin I guess but I aint one misleading charade of 'Special Status , the yet). better." I also support him in his stand that it is not professional for ai;i engineer We only got two levels of guvament to undertake assignments which the en­ here because that Ottawa level dont get gineer knows may result in social harm. out this far. My mummy says we got the I would ask, however, if Dr. Lansdown CBC level of guvament. My daddy says would care to divulge whether, in break­ them moaning socialists on the CBC aint ing the silence · on matters dealing .with a level. (My daddy aint got no sociable the development of Northern Manitoban's consciounce). My mummy says everything water resources, he had to face the possi­ has got a level even the sewers (if the bility of being fired by his employer? engineer put them in right) . My daddy says them commentators for the CBC is Yours very truly, only the lumps in the sewers. They aint - W. SALTZBERG, P. Eng. level. He says that the CBC thinks David 12 THE MANI'fOBA ·PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER

Lewis is Prime Minister. Anyway you cant morning and Band Show on Monday to get much sense out of grown-ups on the the "Parade of Bands" on Tuesday. The CBC level of guvament. idea is to take in all these things along with the impromptu dances, jump-ups and So I went with my daddy to the Ass general "bacchanal". People go until they of Prof Engineers when he was going to are exhausted and then just drop down to protest. He said the Ass was elected and sleep wherever they are until they are the members were demo crazy. Anyway ready to go again. Unfortunately, due to I went along to see the Council in action my advancing years and declining endur­ but they wouldn't let me in because I have ance I'll be more of a spectator than a female sex. There is a word to describe participant; even the marvellous powers those guys but I dont know .how to spell of !um can only keep you going so long. it. Anyway I learned from . the water gate Carnival rules forbid men to wear dresses that it's better if you listen in when they and women to wear pants. I can see where dont know you're listening in. In the States the first rule might only affect a small they call it bugging but its different here. minority of so-inclined men who are used I been bugging my daddy for more allow­ to being restricted anyway, but the 'no ance for a long time. No body gets very pants for women' law caused quite an up­ excited about my bugging. I just dont get roar. Government clarified it by saying a raise or even a LIP grant. they only meant long pants, but as they In the Council room (I sneaked in) the didn't specify how long is long, there may guy at the head of the table had a· ham­ be a few elderly ladies with bloomers that mer. I guess he wishes he were a carpenter. will still be in trouble. He didn't build anything, he just kept wanting to run down the agenda but those Regretfully in the last two or three guys didn't look like they could run down years some of the people in certain districts have used Carnival as a time to settle old very much unless it was a bottle of beer. grudges with the result that last year's They kept Wanting some. public rela­ Tuesday afternoon parade broke up in a tions. When I got home I asked my mum­ free-for-all. This year the Government has my what that was and she says I should passed Carnival Rules for the 1973 Act stay away from dirty old men. Then they which lays down some very stringent rules; talked about letting some guys into the no masks, no smutty or derogatory signs Ass to become members. I'm not sure why or placards, no sticks or any offensive the guys . wanted in. I didn't like it when weapons, no spiked shoes, etc. As a re­ I was there. sult I'm not sure whether I can golf this weekend or not. With my golf spikes and I don't think I like that Democrazy in clubs I may be arrested! Action very much. It dont seem to be working. It probably wont .last so I dont I used to think Government regulations see what is the use of studying it. Any­ and red tape were bad at home but a way if you got any Democrazy there that recent experience I had here makes me you can spare could you. let me have it so realize we still have a long way to go. I can hand it in ( and I hope it dont Our office received a small air freight smell). shipment of tools from Canada which we -DEBBIE needed immediately so I innocently volun­ Age 8 teered to drive our storeskeeper over to get it. First we take the shipping invoices to the airline office and pay their fee. + + + Then over to the customs office to get the necessary papers for customs clearance. JUMP:ups AND BACCHANALS Back to the airline with the papers to have them signed by the freight agent. Back From Our Caribbean Correspondent. to customs to have them verify the freight agent's signature and sign some of the Everyone says things move slower in the papers. Then back to the airline to have tropics but you are probably thinking the the agent verify the customs officer's signa­ rather long interval between this and my ture who had verified his (the agent's last report is carrying that excuse a bit far, signature). (Are you still with me?) Back again to customs to get the clearance papers Tod~y is the start of Carnival here which signad and pay customs fees. Finally back carries on from the opening "jump-up" to tlle airline to get a final signature and tonight, through the "Ole Mas" and "Calyp­ pick up our parcel. A. great way to kill a sorama" on Sunday and the "Jour O'uvert" morning. If it had been a personal parcel THE MANITOBA PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER 13 and the customs office was busy, it would from ·what we read the political circus is take all day. The thing is they never seem as confusing as ever. to throw away any of these old forms; they just get piled up in great bundles Please tell Walter ·Saltzberg I have some until that particular office is full and then ideas for entertainment for the next an­ they move .to a new office. nual meeting. Possibly I could import a steel band, some calypso singers and a bunch of local belles to stage a small A couple of incidents here recently de­ carnival and ·jump-up. If that doesn't raise monstrated the. remarkable amount of cool the engineers' interests, no.thing·;~ will. the Police Force has acquired. Some friends of ours were out sailing .when they came We expect to be back in Winnipeg some­ across one of the small, open fishing boats time this year. I am already shivering just going around in aimless circles with the thinking about next winter. -R.J.B. fisherman slumped down near his sputter­ ing engine. They naturally figured he had been overcome by e.xhaust fumes and while + + + trying to manoeuvre close to the boat, radioed their report into the Police Head­ IMPORTANT quarters and asked them to send out the police launch to haul him in. After a short All fees must be paid in full by June while the Police called back to say their 30th, 1973. Any member who has not re­ launch was out of gas and they couldn't mitted his fees in full by that date will, come out. When my friends ask~d what under the provisions of our by-laws, be they should do with the unconscious fisher­ removed from membership for non-payment man, the reply was, '1et him drift, we'll of fees. If a member is so removed, be­ probably find him later". Seeing as the fore he may be reinstated to membership Caribbean is a pretty laTge body of water he must pay all the fees, plus penalty, in and the next land is South America, my which he is in arrears, plus another registra­ friends thought this solution a bit risky ·tion fee, plus the annual dues for the year so finally managed to get close enough · to of reinstatement if he is not reinstated in the small boat for two of them to jump the year in which he was removed. His in. They eventually izot a line to their yacht application for reinstatement will also have and hauled the still out fisherman back to be approved by Council. In practical to port. Upon arrival thev found he was terms this means that 'if a member owes not the victim of furnp.s but of too much $55.00 for 1973 dues and does . not remit "mountain dew" and was simply dead it by June 30th, in order to be · reinstated drunk. to membership on July 2nd, he would have to r~mit the sum of $80.00. The second incident involved one of the prominent local businessmen who is strong­ ly anti-government. He awoke one night + + + to find a prowler in his house. Getting out his gun (which most people seem to have) 11 he held the crook at bay while his wife 2 B OR NOT 2 P" (RUSS) phoned the police with an urgent request to send some officers over to arrest the Tinkle tinkle one and all man. The policeman's reply was, "We'll Now you can heed nature's call send someone around in the morning to Underneath the grassy mound take a statement". The wife was finally A comfort station may be found. able to convince him the matter required a little faster action than that, so they To be or not to be, that was the ques­ came and arrested the thief. At the same tion, and it is to be. The vital issue of the time they also took the owner"s gun and comfort station in Memorial park has been since the incident was widely publicized aired and viewed and discussed from many the poor man is now fair game for all angles. Of foremost consideration are those the local crooks who know he is no longer poor underprivileged persons who· live in armed. the park during the summer months. Eco­ logical considerations rank closely· behind So much for life in the Caribbean, how human needs in any good socialist state, are things back in the land of ice and and it is likely that the eco.logical condi~ snow (or is it slush a'1d mud)? Since the tions of the washrooms in ~e Legislative last papers we got only went up to Janu­ building had something to do with the ary 10, we are a little out of touch but decision to build a washroom. The' veterans 14 THE MANITOBA PROFESSIONAL ENGINEEH

point of view was also expressed. A Memo­ it hlis received a severe set-back since Wa­ rial Park, or a cemetery, is perhaps not tergate. This is Mr. Nixon's business . and the best place for an outdoor biffy. Mr. Nixon's problem and he should re­ sign as President so that none of it sticks For some reason, little or no considera­ to that high office. Mr. Agnew should tion in this debate was given to the thou­ then take over as President. His first move sands of bus riders who go by this corner as, President should be to appoint Senator daily. There are two bus stops at this 'P~rcy as Vice-President and his second corner and there is little doubt that the move as President should be to resign and comfort station, camouflaged though it may let Senator Percy become President It be by a grassy mound, will obstruct the will be over three years before the Ame­ clear view .of the park for the bus riders. ricans can elect another President and ' every effort should be made· in the mean­ B.C.S. (Before Comfort Station) a weary time to restore the confidence of the Ame­ worker could board one of several buses rican people and the peoples of the rest during the afternoon rush hour and for of the world in lfoth the office of Presi­ perhaps a full minute he could sit on the dent and the United States itself. Mr. Ni­ bus and contemplate the scene in Memo­ xon, and/or his aides, have scuttled any rial Park. Having worked hard all day to hope of doing this job themselves. To this support himself, his family and various date, Senator Percy has the reputation of levels of government, he could spend a a man of honor and integrity. quiet minute a day watching how some of his tax dollars were being spent. It was enough to gladden a worker's heart as he wended his way homeward, to glance out + + + the window of his car or the bus, and know that a big part of the day's earnings had How is it that a Premier, a Mayor, and gone to taxes so that these deserving youths a Minister can get all excited about zon­ could loll around the park and that when ing and building permits pertaining to a they got tired and hungry and wanted a flusher in a park, but you'll never see hide change from lying about, sex, marijuana or nor hair of them when a developer wishes whatever, they could collect their welfare to build a shopping centre in your back handouts. Also if they picked up measles or yard. any other contagious disease sometimes transmitted in parks, they would be well taken care of medically. One likes to know where one's tax dollar is going. Now all the weary worker will see for his day's NRC Mechanical Engineering toil as he pauses for passengers or a red light at this corner, is a one hundred Discussions on Engineering thousand dollar mound, obstructing the view of the flower beds, shrubs, bodies, Research and Development sleeping bags etc. Winnipeg, July 26, 1973 Perhaps some of the bodies will take to sprawling on the mound during the Check the fields of interest. summer before they take off for Banff to - Manufacturing developments ski on . unemployment insurance after the snow flies. -S.J.A. - . Transportation - Standards and standardization + + + - Computers The White House has not yet consulted Engineering and biological control us to solicit our opinion about the Water­ systems gate affair, but like the Boy Scouts we aim to Be Prepared, so we have it all ready Medical instrumentation· just in case we are asked. John Kennedy ' ' ., s'aid, some years ago, that things not only and advise if you wish to attend. have to be right, they also have to appear To: Division of Mechanical Engineering to be right. ·They no longer appear to be right. Mr. Nixon's integrity has been a , National Research Council of Canada subject of much controversy long before 1 3904 - West 4th A venue Watergate and based on U.S. opinion polls Vancouver, B.C. EXCITING CONTEST Mirror, mirror, on the wall ~ Who's most honest of them all? z~ We decided it might be .a fruitless endeavour to find an honest politician, so we tried instead to locate the "most honest" one. The question was posed to members of the Bulletin Committee: Who, in your opinion, is the most honest politician in the following categories - Liberal, Conservative, New Democrat, Democrat, Republican. We found it necessary to create a sixth ~ category, Miscellaneous, and whenever a name recorded a certain level on the Laugh Meter, that name was moved to the Miscel­ laneous column. Here are the results: ~ ~ Liberal Conservative New Democrat Democrat Republican Miscellaneous en ...... en Paul Hellyer Robert Stanfield Joe Borowski Sargent Shriver Ronald Reagan L'.arry Desjardins 0 Eric Kierens John Diefenbaker T. c. Douglas Eugene McCarthy Betty Furness Edgar Benson ~ L. B. Pearson Robert Stanfield T. c. Douglas F. D. Roosevelt Senator Percy Raou I Caouette ti:t Clarence Darrow Wm. J enriings Bryan Paul Harney Scoop Jackson Spiro Agnew Hazen Argue 0 James Richardson Robert Stanfield Stanley Knowles Adlai Stevenson Shirley Temple Black Benedict Arnold ~ ti:t Douglas Campbell Robert Stanfield Stanley Knowles The Jackass Mickey Mouse Gerda Munsinger ~

Ed Schreyer Harry Enns Sidney Green Hubert Humphrey John Connolly Jane Fonda

Dcuglas Campbell John A. Macdonald* F. D. Roosevelt Spiro Agnew Pontius Pilate

Charlie Greenlay Donald Craik, P. Eng. Wacky Bennett# Richard Nixon Art Carney (with reservations) L. B. Pearson John Diefenbaker Stanley Knowles F. D. Roosevelt Larry Desjardins John Wayne

" the reason given was that he was a drunken bum and did not try to hide it. # for most honestly using natural resources as quickly as possible. The Bulletin Committee will offer. a prize of a year's free subscription to the Bulletin to any member who can correctly place all those listed in the Miscellaneous column, into the category for which they were first nominated.

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UNIVERSITY LIAISON · TO CARSON COMMITTEE :News Item: Cub Reporter Carson Temple­ By G. R. ARNOTT, P. Eng. ton broke his leg on the May long week­ end at his summer camp at Clearwater The University Liaison Committee met Bay, where he is designing a Japanese with Dean Hoogstraten and the Depart­ Garden. ment Heads of the Facll.lty of Engineering at a luncheon meeting on May 23rd, 1973. The first weekend of summer has now The Committee had ample support from passed us by, , . C. R. McBain, S . . Barkwell, T. E. Weber, And each of us did our own thing; T. W. Algeo and G. R. Arnott. Some fished and some swam and some boated about, Dean Hoogstraten briefly outlined the history of engineering education over the But Carson was out gardening. last 17 years. He pointed out some of the constraints under which the academic must "Get your spade and your shovel," to operate. The Faculty has tried numerous Laurie he said, methods of relating to the students with "Start digging right here in the sand; courses like "Engineering and Society", From my executive chair I'll supervise all, presence of professional engineers during A martini clutched in my hand.'' design labs, and the assignment of a guide ance ;professor to each student. Each "Now Laurie those rocks should go over attempt. has met with varying degrees of there. success. The Association pointed out that they have tried lectures by practising pro­ You're a good helpmate, and that is the fessional engineers as well as sponsoring truth. a dinner for fourth year students. T. Algeo And speaking of rocks please bring me mentioned that the Association was in­ some ice, itiating the "Mentor System" whereby And also more gin and vermouth." graduate engineers who work in positions not within the supervision of a professional More digging, more sand, more moving engineer, can l;>e assigned a professional of rocks; engineer from · within the Association to Laurie slaved 'til she was all in. assist and

The question of the "timing" .of Asso­ The week~nd progressed and Laurie ciation influence was·· discussed. It was worked on, generally agreed that the most appropriate Moving sand, and more rocks and more time would be during fourth year. R. A. sand. Johnson. asked the group what they con­ Said Carson, "This Japanese · garden of sidered to be the "effective" education mine period - is . it just the four years of formal Is certainly going to be grand." education or is it the formal education and the two years of practical experience. Laurie packed up her tools, the weekend The mood of the meeting and the ex­ was done, change of thoughts were very encouraging. Though the garden was still incomplete, The participants left the meeting . with the "Come Carson," she said, "We must head attitude that more had to be done in this off for home, area ·to aid the student in relating to and Please get off your executive seat." adapti~g to the engineering profession. He rose from his lawn chair, his weekend's + +. + work done, In . the· dark he did not notice the glass; Lloyd . McGinnis, . P. Erig., who is cur­ And he hipped on the bottle that once rently touring Africa and South America, held the gin has sent us this gem: ''.If you look as bad as your passport photograph portrays you, And he landed flat out on his you are not fit· to travel." leg, and that's how he broke it.-S.J.A.