Louisiana State University Law Center
1982
Hugo Lafayette Black and John Harlan - Two Faces of Constitutional Law With Some Notes on Teaching of Thayer's Subject
O. W. Wollensak Paul R. Baier
Louisiana State University Law Center, [email protected]
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HUGO LAFAYETTE BLACK AND JOHN MARSHALL HARLAN: TWO FACES OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW-WITH SOME
NOTES ON THE TEACHING OF
THAYER'S SUBJECT
Bv 0. W. WoLLENSAK*
I.
It was a great surprise last semester when Supreme Court
Justices Hugo Black and John Marshall Harlan visited the LSU Law Center for what turned out to be a heated dialogue on color video tape. The program was hosted by LSU's media mastermind, Proꢀssor Paul Baier,** who apparently has
given up suing hospitals, see Baier v. Woman's Hospital,
and
1
turned to producing television shows, his latest entitled "Hugo ꢁaꢂyette Black and John Marshall Harlan: Two Faces of Constitutional Law."2
Professor Baier believes that constitutional law includes
•
Editor's note: Professor Baier is following Kꢒꢋl Llewellyn in using a pseudonꢀ. Llewellyn's was "Teuꢁlsꢂrꢃckh,ꢄ which meꢒns "deviꢇ's print" in Geꢋmꢒn. See THE KARL LꢁEW EꢂꢂY PꢅERS: A GumE TO THE CꢀꢁꢂEꢃION 93 (R. M. ꢆꢇlꢈnwoꢉ & W. L. Twining eds. 1970). Llewellyn wrote ꢒs Teuꢊlsdꢋ0ckh wheneveꢋ he wꢒnꢑed ꢄ ꢅs out quasi-heꢋetical piece. Professor Baier's nom de plume deꢋives fꢋom 0. W.
N
a
Holmes, Jr., one of Baieꢋ's intellectual heroes, and fꢋom "Woꢇlensak," the machine on which he plays the recoꢋdings of the oral aꢋgument in ꢐupꢋeme Couꢋꢑ cꢒses in his constitutional law classes. At the 1980 meeting of the Assꢌiation of Ameꢋicꢒn Law
ꢐchools in Phoenix, Pꢋoꢍssor Baier presented a demonstꢋation of the
ꢀ
of these recordings in teaching, anꢂ in speaking of the equipment necessary ꢄ play the ꢎꢏs in class, Mr. Baier pickeꢂ up his tꢋusty Wollensak 2520 and intꢋꢉuced it ꢆ the
crowd, saying: "This is my associate, Pꢋofessor Wollensak, whose ciꢋcle of constitutional acquaintances is wide indeeꢂ."
**Associate Professor of Law, Paul M. Hebeꢋt Law Center, Louisiꢒna ꢐꢑꢒꢑe University. A.B., Univeꢋsity of Cincinnati; J.D., Haꢋvꢒꢋd. Member of the Louisiꢒna Bar and the Baꢋ of the ꢐupꢋeme Court of the United ꢐtates. Judiciꢒꢇ Fellow, Uniꢑed ꢐtates ꢐupreme Couꢋt, 1975-1976. Pꢋoꢂucer of Court Reports, a National Aꢋchives
film history of the ꢐupꢋeme Couꢋt of the Unꢈted ꢐꢑꢒꢓs.
1.
- A
- case that, unfortunately ꢔr Mrs. Baieꢋ, neatly coupled the miꢋacle of
childbirth with the knotty medico-legal question of husbanꢂ access to the deliveꢋy room. For fuꢋtheꢋ detꢒils, see Appendix A, infra, note 1.
Because the annotꢒtions ꢇ this aꢋticle constitute an extensive commenꢑꢒꢋy on the materiaꢇs and methods of teaching constitutional Jaw, they aꢋe set ꢕꢋth separately as Appendix A, infra.
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men:
I suppose this is obvious, but our methods have not recognized the fact. Ours is a government of laws, we say proudly, not of men. And so our studenꢀ study hundreds of cases, case a�ter case, the very embodiment of constitutional law. Never. mmd the men who make it. I believe our ideals have gotten m the
way of teaching truth: Ours is a government of laws and of
men.8
The Black-Harlan dialogue was Professor Baier's way of focusing student attention on the persons who make the law. "I have always believed that if you can get a judge's philosophy out in the open, you can better understand his cases," he says.
II.
Baier got the idea ꢀr his Black-Harlan dialogue while watching Steve Allen's "Meeting of Minds," A PBS television program that allows the viewer to see and hear noted historiꢀ figures talking about their lives and sharing ideas. Anyone who has seen this program knows it teaches history in a very lively fashion; it also tends to iꢄprove the minds of the listeners-in. Doubtless, Henry Adams, whose job it was to teach history at Harvard College back in 1870, would have welcomed these illuꢄinating conversations ꢀ his classroom.• But TV was a technology unknown to ꢄan, and Steve Allen was not yet sucking his thuꢄb.
A few years ago Norman Redlich's ingenious "Black-
Harlan Dialogue" appeared in print.5 The article, which Professor Redlich openly acknowledged as an unconventional ꢀrm of legal scholarship,8 is really the script ꢀr a short play featuring Justices Black and Harlan, who are engrossed in a meeting of ꢄinds of their own. Scene I depicts a country lane in Heaven in late Spring 1975. The Justices are out for their daily "constitutional," as it were. Each has a marked-up copy of the Constitution which he managed to take with him on the long journey in 1971. As they stroll along, Black and Harlan
- talk about liꢁ and law-argue would be
- a
- better
word-through three engaging scenes, with Professor Redlich adding a few citations in the notes ꢂr the reader's guidance.
One excerpt ꢃoꢄ Professor Redlich's article7 is enough to demonstrate �ot. only is it refreshing reading, but, more important here, it is also powerful teaching.
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BLACK: You may think I twisted history to try to get the Bill of Rights into the fourteenth amendment, but at least my view roots the Court's authority over the states in specific constitutional provisions. Under your theory each case would be decided according to the concept of fundamental fairness shared by a majority of Justices. It would all depend on what would shock a particular judge's conscience.
HARLAN: I don't think that's fair, Hugo. Ever since Adamson, you have constantly poked fun at those of us who believed that due process involves a careful process of inclusion and exclusion. We were no less dedicated to basic human rights than you were. We simply did not believe that the Bill of Rights, word ꢀr word, is what the due process clause is all about. Where the Constitution says that life, liberty and property cannot be taken without due process of law, it calls upon us ꢀ interpret that language in terms of evolving principles of American justice.
BLACK:
I never doubted your sincerity, John. It's just that those words don't mean anything to me-even when I hear them up here. And that's why your system, which I'm afraid is prevailing, gives so much power to the courts. Depending on their own whims or shifting political pressures, judges will now be able to expand or contract individual rights.
HARLAN: Hugo, I rather doubt that my views have prevailed. However, even under your approach, judges have to make the individual value judgments you attribute ꢀ my system. I'm sure you thought that if the first section of the fourteenth amendment could be read as incorporating the entire Bill of Rights, judges would have to decide cases involving individual rights and liberties within the context of specific constitutional provisions and not on the basis of personal judgments. However, as I said in Griswold, personal judgments are involved in all important constitutional questions, whether they concern a specific provision of the Bill of Rights or the due process clause of the fourteenth amendment. As long as America is a changing society, there is simply no way our constitutional system can be ꢁozen into the kind of rigid pattern you were trying to develop in the '50's and '60's. Consequently, your system wouldn't protect individual liberty any more than mine.
BLACK: I can't guarantee that it would. But my system gives to the American people the rights that are set ꢂrth in the Constitution rather than the rights that a majority of judges think they should have at any particular moment of history. And I
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have more faith in the text of the Constitution than in the changing values of a majority of judges.
III.
Reading Norman Redlich's Black-Harlan Dialogue co�-
vinced Mr. Baier to make a production of his own, only this time he proposed lifting the Justices off the printed page and
having them come to class "live and in person," so to spe�k,
for his students to see and hear. "A casebook," says Baier, "can be a dull thing and the case method of instruction lifeless.
"8
Only the other day law teachers were challenged anew to do something, and not just to complain, about student boredom in the second and third years of law school.8 The words are those of Derek Bok, seventh Dean of the Harvard Law School, now President of Harvard University:
The great weakness of legal education is that Langdell's vision is the only substantial insight we have ever had. As a result, the law school experience tends to grow repetitive, and interest declines steadily throughout the last two years . . . . If we try seriously to do something about student apathy in the second and third years [we should] offer a wider variety of teaching methods.10
Why not try the magic of television production?11"[N]o teaching is good," said James Bradley Thayer, "which does not rouse and 'dephlegmatize' the students-to borrow an expression attributable to Novalis-which does not engage as its ꢀ- lies, their awakened, sympathetic, and cooperating facul-
ties."12 Thayer's Cases on Constitutional Law, which was
published in 1895, is the grandfather of today's teaching materials in constitutional law. Looking at the surviving grandchildren you can see Thayer's influence. Without question, James Bradley Thayer was a giant scholar. But scholarship is not teaching and, like the rest of us, even Thayer had his ups and downs in class.13 One wonders what Thayer would think of this thoroughly modern notion of video-taping two students portraying Justices Black and Harlan after a period
of �ntense i�struction on their philosophies and opinions? To Baie!, the idea seemed to have pedagogical promise.14 After
all,
m
the words of one of Thayer's teaching colleagues at
Harvard: "No man ever learned to dance or to swim by read-
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ing treatises upon saltation or natation."H Why not try putting our students in the justices' place?18 And so ꢀr three weeks Baier worked with two students in his Constitutional Law II course, a second-year, individual rights offering. Raymond Maher, who has an Alabaꢃa accent of sorts, volunteered to play the role of Hugo Black. Miles Tilly, who, believe it or not, actually looks like John Marshall Harlan II (especially after an hour's ꢃake-up session at the Drama School on campus) was chosen to portray Justice Harlan. The group ꢃet ꢁequently at "The Library,"11 where Baier loosened up his two stars with a soothing libation. Miles had never beꢀre done anything like this. Ray, on the other hand, was a regular haꢃ and he had no trouble with the assignꢃent. The three of theꢃ read all the biography on Black and Harlan they could find,18 and they read ꢃany of their opinions.
19
Finally the big day caꢃe, and 60 minutes of color video tape was filꢃed at LSU's Instructional Resource Center. The group worked without a script, and so the event was a kind of oral exaꢃination ꢂr the students. By the time the tape was made, Ray and Miles saw things pretty much the way their judicial counterparts did, which is quite evident ꢁoꢃ the video tape itself. After the filming, the tape was edited to 35 minutes, thus allowing 25 ꢃinutes ꢀr questions and discussion between the students and the two justices after the tape
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was shown in class.
It was interesting to observe the reaction of the students to the tape. After a minute or two of expected snickering ("Hey, look at the make-up job they did on Ray"), the class settled down and began listening attentively to what was being said. In a very real sense, Justices Black and Harlan had come alive in the classrooꢃ.
IV.
The transcript of "Hugo Lafayette Black and John Marshall Harlan: Two Faces of Constitutional Law," as well as the video tape itself, is available ꢁoꢃ Professor Baier, and so the full interview need not be set out here. A brief sampling will suffice to allow the reader to evaluate the learning21 captured on the tape.
BAIER: Justice Black, you are the Senior Associate Justice. I suppose I should ask you the first question.
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BLACK: Yes sir.
BAIER: Can you telꢁ ꢌs what is yoꢌr jꢈdiciaꢁ phiꢁosophy? If I ask you that question, whꢆt woꢌꢁd yoꢌ say aboꢌꢄ yoꢈr jꢈdiciꢆꢁ phiꢁosophy?
BLACK: My judiciaꢁ phiꢁosophy is basicaꢁꢁy coꢍsꢄiꢄꢈꢄioꢍꢆꢁ- ism. I interpret the Constitꢈtion as it is writꢄꢃꢍ, ꢆꢍd I ꢀꢁꢂꢃvꢃ thaꢄ this is the way the Fouꢍding Fꢆthꢃrs iꢍꢄꢃꢍdꢃd ꢄhꢃ iꢍsꢄiꢄꢈ- tion of the Sꢌpreme Coꢌrꢄ to be.
BAIER: How do yoꢌ inꢄꢃrprꢃt ꢄhꢃ Coꢍstitꢈꢄioꢍ, Mr. Jꢌsꢄicꢃ Bꢁack?
BLACK: By what is writꢄen, a ꢁiꢄꢃrꢆꢁ iꢍꢄꢃrprꢃꢄꢆꢄioꢍ,11 ꢆꢍd I beꢁiꢃve that this is the way ꢄhe Foꢌꢍdiꢍg Faꢄhꢃrs iꢍꢄꢃꢍdꢃd ꢄhꢃ iꢍstitꢌtion of the Sꢌprꢃmꢃ Coꢌrꢄ ꢀ bꢃ.
BAIER: Mr. Jꢌstice Harꢁan, how woꢌꢁd yoꢌ dꢃscriꢀ yoꢈr jꢈ- diciaꢁ phiꢁosophy?
HARLAN: Weꢁꢁ, my phiꢁosophy is one ꢃssꢃꢍꢄiaꢉꢁy of sꢃꢁf-rꢃ- straint on the parꢄ of the jꢌdgꢃ. I don'ꢄ bꢃꢁiꢃvꢃ ꢄhꢆt jꢈdgꢃs shoꢌꢁd make law, simply thꢆꢄ thꢃy shoꢌꢁd iꢍꢄꢃrprꢃꢄ whꢆꢄ ꢄhꢃ ꢁaw says, and in interpreting thꢃ Constiꢄꢌꢄioꢍ I doꢍ'ꢄ bꢃꢁiꢃvꢃ it was madꢃ to be iꢍterprꢃted ꢁiꢄꢃraꢁꢁy. As Mr. Chiꢃf Jꢈsꢄicꢃ Mꢆꢇ- shaꢁꢁ once said, "We must aꢁways rꢃmꢃmbꢃr ꢄhaꢄ iꢄ is ꢆ Coꢁtitution wꢃ are ꢃxpoꢌndiꢍg.
"28
BAIER: Mr. Jꢌstice Bꢁack, yoꢌr Broꢄhꢃr Hꢆrꢁꢆꢍ sꢆid ꢄhꢆꢄ yoꢈ arꢃ ꢍot supposed ꢄo interpret thꢃ Coꢍstiꢄꢌꢄioꢍ ꢁiꢄꢃrꢆꢁꢁy.
BLACK: Hꢃ's wrong.
- BAIER:
- hꢆvꢃ yoꢌ ꢃvꢃr, oꢍ pꢆr-
- (ꢁaꢌghing) Hꢃ's wroꢍg-wꢃꢁꢁ
ticꢌꢁar cꢆses, reachꢃd opposiꢄꢃ rꢃsꢈꢁꢄs bꢃcꢆꢈsꢃ yoꢈ ꢆrꢃ of ꢄhꢃ view that the Coꢍstitꢈtioꢍ oꢌght ꢂ bꢃ iꢍtꢃrprꢃꢄꢃd ꢁiꢄꢃrꢅꢁy ꢆꢍd hꢃ ꢆpparꢃntꢁy is not?
- BLACK: Yes, many timꢃs. Griswold v. Connecticut•• is
- ꢆ
cꢁassic example of what you jꢈsꢄ said. I do noꢄ bꢃꢁiꢃvꢃ thꢆꢄ ꢄhꢃ Constitꢌtion had anything in iꢄ ꢄhꢆꢄ covꢃrꢃd ꢄhꢆꢄ pꢆꢇꢄicꢈꢉꢊ casꢃ, bꢌt my Brother Johꢍ bꢃꢁievꢃd ꢄhꢃ oppositꢃ ꢆꢍd mꢆdꢃ ꢉꢆw, which a judge-I feeꢁ a jꢈdge shoꢈꢁd ꢍot do.
BAIER: Justicꢃ Harꢁꢆn, whꢆꢄ wꢆs yoꢈr posiꢄioꢍ iꢍ Griswold
v. Connecticut?
HARLAN: Weꢁꢁ, first of aꢁꢁ, I doꢍ't ꢄhiꢍk wꢃ mꢆdꢃ ꢁꢆw iꢍ thꢆꢄ case. My position in Griswold u. Connecticut wꢆs ꢄhaꢄ thꢃ Dꢈꢃ Process Cꢁaꢌse of the ꢋꢌrꢄꢃeꢍꢄh ꢆmꢃꢍdmꢃꢍꢄ sꢄꢆꢍds oꢍ iꢎ oꢀ boꢄtom. I don't beꢁieve wꢃ are ꢁimiꢄꢃd by ꢄhꢃ words of thꢃ Coꢍ-
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sꢄꢐꢄꢁꢄꢐꢒꢃ. Wheꢃ ꢄhe Dꢁe Prꢒcess Cꢋaꢁse of ꢄhe ꢀꢁrꢂeeꢃꢄh ꢎmeꢃdꢈeꢃꢄ sꢎys "ꢃoꢅ shaꢋꢋ aꢃy Sꢂaꢂe deprꢐve aꢃy persꢒꢃ of lꢐfe, lꢐbeꢅꢄy, ꢒr pꢅopeꢅꢄy, wꢐꢄhꢒꢁꢄ due pꢅꢆess of ꢋꢎw," I ꢐꢃꢂerpreꢄ "ꢋꢐberꢄy" as meanꢐng ꢄhꢒse fuꢃdamenꢄal vꢎꢋues wiꢄhꢒꢁꢄ whꢐch ꢒꢁr basꢐc socꢐal and ꢑꢒꢋꢐꢄꢐcaꢋ ꢐꢃsꢄꢐꢄꢁꢄꢐꢒꢃs caꢃꢃꢒꢄ survive.
BAIER: Aꢃd one of ꢄhose fꢁꢃdꢎꢈenꢄal vaꢋꢁes was whꢎꢄ ꢀ
Griswold v. Connecticut?
HARLAN: The pꢅꢐvacy ꢒf ꢄhe ꢈꢎrꢐꢂal ꢅeꢋaꢄꢐonshꢐꢑ. I dꢒ ꢃoꢄ belꢐeve ꢄhaꢄ ꢄhe sꢄaꢄe has ꢄhe rꢐghꢄ ꢄꢒ ꢁse ꢄhe fꢁlꢋ sancꢄꢐꢒꢃ of ꢄhe crꢐꢈꢐꢃꢎl lꢎw ꢄo ꢐꢃvade ꢄhe prꢐvacy of maꢅꢅꢐed cꢒꢁpꢋes.
BAIER: Mr. Jꢁsꢄꢐce Blꢎck, as yꢒꢁ ꢈenꢄꢐoꢃed, yꢒꢁ dꢐsseꢃꢄed
ꢐn Griswold v. ꢀonnecticut.
BLACK: Yes sꢐꢅ. BAIER: Whaꢄ ꢐs yoꢁr owꢃ vꢐew ꢎbꢒꢁꢄ a sꢄaꢄe ꢄhꢎꢄ wꢒꢁꢋd ꢑrohꢐbꢐꢄ ꢎ ꢈarrꢐed coꢁple ꢇoꢈ ꢁsꢐꢃg ꢎ conꢄꢅacepꢄꢐve?
BLACK: Welꢋ, ꢀ I saꢐd ꢐꢃ ꢈy ꢒꢑꢐꢃꢐon, I persꢒꢃꢎꢋꢋy ꢄhꢒughꢄ ꢄhe lꢎw was rꢐdꢐcꢁloꢁs, bꢁꢄ ꢎ jꢁdge dꢒes noꢄ make ꢋꢎw. A ꢋegꢐsꢋaꢄꢁre ꢈꢎkes ꢋꢎw, and I feeꢋ ꢄhꢎꢄ ꢎ jꢁdge's fꢁncꢄꢐꢒꢃ ꢐs ꢁ inꢂerpreꢄ ꢋegꢐsꢋꢎꢄꢐve law aꢃd nꢒꢄ ꢁ ꢈꢎke ꢐꢄ. The peopꢋe eꢋecꢄ ꢎ sꢒvereꢐgꢃ body ꢒf ꢋegꢐslaꢄors ꢄꢒ ꢈꢎke ꢋꢎw, noꢄ jꢁdges.ꢉ1
- BAIER: Sꢒ yꢒꢁ have
- a
- fꢁꢃdaꢈeꢃꢂaꢋ dꢐffeꢅeꢃce of ꢒꢑꢐꢃꢐꢒn
wiꢄh respecꢄ ꢄꢒ ꢄhe jꢁdge's fꢁꢃcꢄꢐꢒꢃ ꢄhaꢄ caꢁsed ꢎ differeꢃce of voꢄe ꢐꢃ Griswold v. ꢀonnecticut. Mr. Jꢁsꢄꢐce Bꢋꢎck, cꢎn yꢒꢁ gꢐve ꢁs ꢎ secꢒꢃd ꢐllꢁsꢄꢅaꢄꢐꢒꢃ ꢒf hꢒw jꢁdꢐcꢐaꢋ phꢐꢋꢒsꢒꢑhy ꢋed ꢂ dꢐffereꢃꢄ resꢁlꢄs, ꢐꢃ ꢄhe case ꢒf Jusꢄꢐce Harlaꢃ aꢃd yꢒurꢊeꢋꢌ
BLACK: Welꢋ, goꢐꢃg bꢎck ꢁ whꢎꢄ my Broꢄher Hꢎrꢋꢎn ꢊaid abꢒꢁꢄ ꢄhe foꢁrꢄeenꢄh ameꢃdꢈeꢃꢄ, I feel he ꢐs wrꢒꢃg. Iꢄ wꢎs a paꢅꢄꢐcuꢋar ꢑꢒꢐꢃꢄ of dꢐspꢁꢄe beꢄweeꢃ me and hꢐs ꢑredecessꢒr, Felꢐx ꢍrꢎꢃkꢏrꢄeꢅ. My opꢐꢃꢐꢒꢃ ꢐꢃ Adamson v. ꢀꢁlifoꢂiꢁ
..
ꢐn
1947 bꢎsꢐcꢎꢋly gꢐves whaꢄ I feeꢋ ꢄhe Foꢁrꢄeenꢄh Aꢈeꢃdmenꢄ meaꢃs; aꢃd I don'ꢄ belꢐeve ꢄhaꢄ ꢎ sꢒ-calꢋed jꢁdge's ꢐdea ꢒf ꢋꢐberꢄy shꢒꢁꢋd be read ꢐnꢄo ꢐꢄ.
BAIER: As I ꢁꢃdersꢄaꢃd ꢄhe Adꢁmson case, ꢎꢃ ꢐmꢑꢒrꢓꢄ qꢁesꢄꢐꢒꢃ wꢎs ꢄhe naꢄꢁre of dꢁe ꢑrꢒcess of law and hꢒw ꢒꢃe deꢄerꢈꢐꢃes whꢎꢄ ꢐs and whaꢄ ꢐs ꢃꢒꢄ ꢎccordꢐꢃg ꢃ dꢁe prꢒcess of law. Aꢃd yꢒꢁr vꢐew, Mr. Jꢁsꢄꢐce Bꢋꢎck, ꢄ ꢄhaꢄ yꢒꢁ look ꢁ ꢄhe Bꢐll ꢒf Rꢐghꢄs?