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Fraud Talk – Episode 99 FRAUD TALK – EPISODE 99 The Real-Life Agents Behind Netflix’s “Narcos” Tell of Pablo Escobar’s Reign of Terror In this clip from the September/October Fraud Magazine interview with retired U.S. DEA special agents Steve Murphy and Javier Peña, the former agents talk about the work they did in Colombia investigating notorious drug lord Pablo Escobar. Peña spent three harrowing years in Colombia tracking Escobor before Murphy joined him for 18 more months that would later become the inspiration behind Netflix’s hit show, “Narcos.” Transcript Emily Primeaux: Welcome to this edition of Fraud Talk, the ACFE’s monthly podcast. I’m Emily Primeaux, associate editor of Fraud Magazine, and I’m joined by Javier Peña and Steven Murphy. Steve and Javier are retired DEA agents who worked together as special agents in Colombia to bring down the notorious Medellín drug cartel led by Pablo Escobar. The hit Netflix show, “Narcos,” is based on their experiences pursuing Escobar and the Medellín cartel. Thanks for joining me today, Javier and Steve. So then, Javier, could you tell me a bit about those three years before Steve got there, what you were working on, and how you made those relationships and got the ball rolling? Javier: Right, right. Like you said, it was 1988 and I got to mention, when I was in Austin, my big boss, they call them ASAC, Assistant Special Agent in Charge, was in San Antonio, a guy by the name of Joe Top. He knew me, I knew him, worked a lot of cases, like I said, out of Austin, we answered to San Antonio. When I got selected, I was just I think two weeks shy of getting to Bogotá, my boss from San Antonio, Joe Top, gets selected as the country attaché for Colombia, which is the big boss. We arrived in the country at the same time. Basically, DEA, you’re a worker, you’re known for your reputations, we’re both workers. Steve and I were both good workers, so I got selected, and my boss is, “We’re going to assign you the Pablo Escobar case.” I did not know who Pablo Escobar was. I had heard of him, but I never dealt with any of his cases. In Austin, we were too far removed. I started learning, I had a senior partner, but she was leaving country at the time. Then I worked with, like what Steve said, Gary Sheridan. Then he gets promoted. So I started slowly learning about Pablo Escobar, making my contacts. We have a specialized group of cops in Medellín that we knew from Bogotá. It all fell into place. Our guys we worked with from Bogotá, the cops, some of them were selected to this specialized task force going after Escobar. So I already knew them.. So slowly, we started learning who Pablo Escobar was, started learning what he was doing, started learning the violence, the terrorism. By working with this specialized group of cops, we knew each other, so they trusted us and we trusted them, so it was a great working relationship. However, the first search, not like the second one, I would go there maybe two days at a time and then get out. I was not supposed to live with the cops. It was only…we’d get there, I spend two days, maybe three days, and I leave. I’d always stay at the base because of the danger that was going on. Whereas the second search, and we’ll talk about this here in a little bit, we were actually embedded with the police. We stayed with them, we lived with them, we slept with, ate with them, so that made a big difference. Emily: Now, Steve, since you were in Miami, did you hear a bit more about Pablo Escobar before you got there? Was he getting pretty well known at that point? Steve Murphy: He was, and he really, really started in South Florida. He bought a property in Miami in 1980. Javier and I have been at the property. We actually did a documentary that never made television, but we were at the old house, the property he bought in 1980. He was already well on his way back then, but when I got there, Pablo and the Medellín Cartel control South Florida. The Cali Cartel had no influence whatsoever. It was all Pablo, so if you were involved in the cocaine business in any manner at all, you were directly or indirectly working with or against the Medellín Cartel. Our cases all tie back into the Medellín Cartel, but I never had a case that got me up to that top level where Pablo was, and I don’t think I even got close. Emily: Then you go down to Colombia. Did you know you were being tasked to the Medellín Cartel and Pablo Escobar, or was it when you got there and you met Javier that you were like, “This is what I’m working on”? Steve: Yeah, you don’t know ’til you get there. I showed up, and Javier was already working with a guy named Gary Sheridan. Gary and I actually got to be pretty good friends because we had some mutual law enforcement contacts here in the United States, and then I got to know Javier through Gary, and then Gary got promoted, moved to Barranquilla, and that’s when Javier and I became full-time partners. When you get in the office, they give you a few days to get acclimated. You have to get your embassy’s security clearances, read-ons, and all that stuff. But after you’re there and…I mean, I already know who Pablo is, and then I find that these two guys are working, even I’m thinking, “Wow, I might have a shot to actually work on this case.” Then we just…Javier and I and Gary all just hit it off together as friends. It’s just amazing how the whole thing worked out. Emily: Yeah, it sounds like it. You said that three days later, he surrendered himself. What was the plan then for the two of you? Javier: When he surrendered, and obviously, we did not like that. We were very much against it. The conditions he surrendered to, it was out of a movie. Emily: It was good basis for a TV show. [laughs] Javier: I know and we never thought of it. You know what? Back then, somebody mentioned, “Hey, one of these days someone is going to do a movie about this.” I said, “Who would want to know about Pablo Escobar?” Boy, was I wrong, right? Anyway, so when he surrendered, it was basically nobody could go into the prison. No visitors, no checks. There was no control. Took his sicarios with him. He negotiated a five-year prison sentence. The main thing, like I said, was that prison was off-limits, and it was by the government of Colombia. Nobody could go close. Nobody could go check on it, so it was like, “What’s going on?” We knew that he was going to continue his trafficking activities. Basically, that period, I think was about a little over a year, we were just monitoring. We started working other cases obviously. That’s where Steve and I hooked up. There was a lot of other drug investigations in Colombia. Pablo was not in our sights. He surrendered. I said everybody was disappointed, was mad, and obviously, you got to be mad, all the people he killed. He killed some good friends of ours, other innocent people, but it was part of the plea agreement. Columbia is their country. It’s not our country, so we couldn’t do anything about it, so we worked other cases, obviously, for a little over a year. Then until, like he said, that fateful night that he escaped. Steve and I were there the following, the very next morning. We arrived at his prison, and it was something out of a movie material what we discovered inside the prison. Emily: Why is that? What was it about it that made it so “special”? Javier: Steve, you want to? Steve does a good job. Steve: Yes. You know what? We’ve been in prisons all over the world with suspects and so forth. This was the farthest thing from a prison you’ve ever seen in your life. It was more of a country club. When you got to the entrance, there were two sets of green steel bars to present the facade, the appearance that this was a prison, but once you got inside that second set of steel bars, it’s wide open. You got to the back perimeter of the prison up where the outer perimeter fence is, there’s a hole in the fence so you can come and go as you please. Pablo was building a series of cabanas and chalets on the hillside behind the prison. He was throwing parties up there. He had plans for the place after his five years in prison. It just confirmed everything that we suspected, that it’s a country club. The guy had a two-room suite for his prison cell. It had — you’ve seen the pictures I believe — a microwave oven, refrigerator, freezer. He had a king-sized bed. He had a fireplace in his bedroom. He had a Jacuzzi tub in his private bathroom. Now, all the prisons I’ve been in, what they have are called group showers.
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