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Dáil Éireann DÁIL ÉIREANN AN COMHCHOISTE UM IOMPAR, TURASÓIREACHT AGUS SPÓRT JOINT COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORT, TOURISM AND SPORT Dé Céadaoin, 27 Márta 2019 Wednesday, 27 March 2019 The Joint Committee met at 10 a.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Deputy Ruth Coppinger, Senator Frank Feighan, Deputy John Curran,* Senator John O’Mahony, Deputy Imelda Munster, Senator Pádraig Ó Céidigh. Deputy Catherine Murphy, Deputy Noel Rock, * In the absence of Deputy Robert Troy. In attendance: Deputy Eamon Ryan and Senator Kevin Humphreys. DEPUTY FERGUS O’DOWD IN THE CHAIR. 1 27 MARCH 2019 Business of Joint Committee Chairman: Deputy Curran is appearing as a substitute for Deputy Troy and most welcome. I remind members to turn off their mobile phones completely as they interfere with the record- ing and broadcasting equipment, even when left in silent mode. I propose that we go into pri- vate session to deal with the scrutiny of EU provisions and any other business before resuming in public session. The joint committee went into private session at 10.05 a.m. and resumed in public session at 11 a.m. Business of Joint Committee Chairman: I apologise for the delay in starting. Before we begin, I remind all members to turn off their mobile phones completely, please, as they may interfere with the recording equip- ment. The minutes of the meeting of 27 February 2019 have been circulated. Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. I now turn to correspondence. The first item of correspondence is a letter which we issued as a committee through our clerk to Rea Walsh, corporate affairs and licensing director of the Football Association of Ireland, FAI, concerning the scheduled meeting with the joint commit- tee on Wednesday, 10 April 2019. We were seeking clarification on certain matters and further information on other matters. The response which we got back was to have the meeting brought forward to 3 April. The committee has agreed to schedule a meeting on that date with Sport Ireland because Sport Ireland is the body responsible for governance, oversight and scrutiny of sporting bodies. The committee has agreed that our scheduled meeting with the FAI will pro- ceed on 10 April, as planned. The committee, through our clerk, on 22 March requested three issues from the FAI. We sought confirmation as a matter of urgency on the date in early April when they FAI governance review would be completed and confirmation that the outcomes of that review would be brought to the attention of this joint committee well in advance of our meeting scheduled for 10 April. It was also noted from public statements that the FAI is willing to meet the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Deputy Ross, and Sport Ireland to give more detail on a bridging loan from the chief executive to the association in 2017. We requested that full and comprehen- sive detail of this matter would be forwarded to the joint committee well in advance of the meet- ing which is scheduled for 10 April. We have not received any reply to that correspondence. We will now ask that the FAI would supply the information urgently and at the earliest possible opportunity to the committee, and well in advance of our proposed meeting on 10 April. That is the decision of the committee. I will now turn to other correspondence. The next is No. 2019/419. It is noted in this cor- respondence that Mr. Ford said CIÉ is not covered by freedom of information, FOI. This is a letter from a member of the public. It is proposed that he would contact the Information Com- missioner as regards the body in question. Is that agreed? Agreed. Deputy Imelda Munster: Would it be a good idea for the committee to write to CIÉ or the Department asking it to investigate the details of the letter and to respond accordingly? 2 JTTS Chairman: Of course. We should do that anyway, regardless of the FOI issue. Correspon- dence No. 2019/420 is an e-mail from the Minister, Deputy Ross, in reply to an e-mail from the clerk. It is proposed to note this correspondence. Is that agreed? Agreed. It is proposed to note correspondence No. 2019/421? Is that agreed? Agreed. Correspon- dence No. 2019/422 is an email from Councillor Michael O’Brien who states that without prior consultation or notification to local commuters, Irish Rail decide to withdraw all staff from Clongriffin station on 16 February. We will forward that to Irish Rail for its comments on it. Deputy Catherine Murphy: Could we ask Irish Rail what changes have happened else- where as well and why? Chairman: Okay. We will. Deputy Imelda Munster: It contradicts the recommendations that we as a committee had in the disability access report. It flies in the face of all of that. The manning of stations was a significant issue for many people. It was one of the main issues that came up. We could write to Irish Rail and the National Transport Authority, NTA. Chairman: The Minister is due to come in to report on that in three weeks’ time. We will copy that to him as well. It is proposed to note correspondence No. 2019/423 a and b. The meeting has been sched- uled for 8 May 2019. Is that agreed? Agreed. It is also proposed to note correspondence No. 2019/424 as that is also part of the meeting for 8 May. Is that agreed? Agreed. It is proposed to note correspondence No. 2019/425 a to f, inclusive, in the context of our work programme and to schedule it as soon as possible. Is that agreed? Agreed. It is proposed to note correspondence No. 2019/426 a to c, inclusive. Is that agreed? Agreed. It is an e-mail which I received from a number of people concerning a letter from Simon Mc- Namara who is the UK and Ireland country manager of the International Air Transport Associa- tion. He is seeking a meeting with me as Chairman to discuss the Irish aviation industry and to look at possible ways of working together. I presume we will invite him in to the committee. We will schedule that in our work programme at the appropriate time. Is that agreed? Agreed. It is proposed to note correspondence No. 2019/428 a and b, which was discussed earlier. Is that agreed? Agreed. It is proposed to note correspondence No. 2019/429. It is an email from Deputy Rock and was discussed earlier. Is that agreed? Agreed. Correspondence No. 2019/431 is another email to me as chairman regarding BusConnects, which is a matter for discussion today. Is that agreed? Agreed. It is proposed to note correspondence No. 2019/432 a and b. Is that agreed? Agreed. Correspondence No. 2019/433 is an email from a member of the public who is concerned about the National Transport Authority and how it operates. I propose we forward the corre- spondence to the NTA. The matter is of particular concern. I note the representatives of the NTA are nodding in agreement. Deputy Catherine Murphy: I have a question on the work programme. We did some 3 27 MARCH 2019 work at Christmas time on cycling. Is the Dublin Cycling Campaign scheduled for a hearing in the work programme? We identified it as one of the issues we want to address in the first half of this year. Chairman: It is a key part of the programme. Deputy Catherine Murphy: When are we likely to do it? Chairman: It will be after Easter. Deputy Catherine Murphy: Okay. Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals Chairman: We now turn to EU scrutiny. Under Schedule A it is proposed that COM (2017) 648 warrants further scrutiny. It is further proposed to request the Department to update the committee once its examination of the implications of the reporting obligations contained with- in the proposal has concluded. Is that agreed? Agreed. It is proposed that there are no subsidiarity concerns with COM (2019) 38. It is also pro- posed to retain this matter for further scrutiny. It is further proposed to clarify with the De- partment of Transport, Tourism and Sport if the CO2 emissions report attached is specific to individual countries. Is that agreed? Agreed. I now turn to Schedule B. I am required to read out the entire list. It is proposed that the following matters require no further scrutiny, that is, COM (2017) 289, COM (2015) 661, COM (2016) 31, COM (2016) 617, COM (2016) 693, COM (2016) 694, COM (2017) 279, COM (2018) 288, COM (2018) 559, COM (2018) 853, COM (2018) 854, COM (2019) 56, COM (2019) 72, COM (2019) 80, COM (2019) 91, COM (2019) 92, COM (2019) 121 and COM (2019) 122. Is that agreed? Agreed. BusConnects: National Transport Authority (Resumed) Chairman: We move on now to the purposes of this meeting, which is BusConnects and MetroLink. The purpose of today’s meeting is to continue our committee’s consideration of BusConnects and MetroLink. From the NTA I welcome Ms Anne Graham, chief executive officer, and Mr. Hugh Creegan, deputy chief executive officer. They are both very welcome. Before we commence, and for the purpose of the witnesses attending, in accordance with pro- cedure, I am required to read the following. By virtue of section 17(2)(l) of the Defamation Act 2009 witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence they are to give to the committee. However, if they are directed by the committee to cease giving evidence on a particular matter and they continue to do so, they are entitled thereafter only to a qualified privilege in respect of their evidence.
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