COMMONWEALTH OF HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

SELECT SUBCOMMITTEE ON TECHNICAL EDUCATION AND CAREER READINESS PUBLIC HEARING

STATE CAPITOL HARRISBURG, PA

IRVIS OFFICE BUILDING ROOM G-50

TUESDAY, APRIL 28, 2 015 9:32 A.M.

PRESENTATION ON HR 102 CAREER TRAINING PROGRAMS

BEFORE: HONORABLE , MAJORITY CHAIRMAN HONORABLE HARRY LEWIS HONORABLE HONORABLE PATRICK HARKINS, DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN

Pennsylvania House of Representatives Commonwealth of Pennsylvania 2

ALSO IN ATTENDANCE: HONORABLE STANLEY SAYLOR HONORABLE KRISTIN PHILLIPS-HILL HONORABLE

COMMITTEE STAFF PRESENT: NICHOLE DUFFY MAJORITY SENIOR EDUCATION ADVISOR KAREN SEIVARD MAJORITY SENIOR LEGAL COUNSEL JONATHAN BERGER MAJORITY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR MICHAEL BIACCHI MAJORITY RESEARCH ANALYST JESSICA HENNINGER MAJORITY LEGISLATIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT

CHRIS WAKELEY DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TRACEY ANN MCLAUGHLIN DEMOCRATIC RESEARCH ANALYST MARLENA MILLER DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT 3

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TESTIFIERS

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DIANE BOSAK ACTING DEPUTY SECRETARY, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, 3 PA DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND INDUSTRY...... 8 1

ED LEGGE DIVISION CHIEF, CENTER FOR WORKFORCE INFORMATION AND ANALYSIS... 11

LEE BURKET DIRECTOR, PDE BUREAU OF CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION PA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION...... 31

HANNAH SMITH-BRUBAKER DEPUTY SECRETARY, MARKET DEVELOPMENT, PA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE...... 58

JACQUELINE CULLEN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, PA ASSOCIATION OF TECHNICAL ADMINISTRATORS...... 78

ACCOMPANIED BY:

THOMAS ALLEN PRESIDENT, PA ASSOCIATION OF TECHNICAL ADMINISTRATORS; ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTOR, EASTERN CENTER FOR ARTS AND TECHNOLOGY

WALTER SLAUCH VICE PRESIDENT, PA ASSOCIATION OF TECHNICAL ADMINISTRATORS; ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTOR, CENTRAL MONTCO TECHNICAL HIGH SCHOOL

DAVID THOMAS ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTOR, YORK COUNTY SCHOOL OF TECHNOLOGY 4

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VICKI SMITH BOARD PRESIDENT, HOMER CENTER SCHOOL DISTRICT, ON BEHALF OF PA SCHOOL BOARDS ASSOCIATION...... 98

ERIC WOLFGANG BOARD PRESIDENT, CENTRAL YORK SCHOOL DISTRICT ON BEHALF OF PA SCHOOL BOARDS ASSOCIATION...... 104

JAMES BUCKHEIT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, PA ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS...... 110

DAVID C. NAMEY PRESIDENT, DEPARTMENT OF CAREER AND TECHNICAL STUDIES, PA STATE EDUCATION ASSOCIATION...... 122

SUBMITTED WRITTEN TESTIMONY

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(See submitted written testimony and handouts online.) 5

P R O C E E D I N G S

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2 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: — HR 102, prime

3 sponsored by Education Majority Chairman and

4 Minority Chairman James Roebuck.

5 I'm State Representative Seth Grove, who's been

6 tasked with chairing the Select Committee, along with

7 Representative Patrick Harkins to my left.

8 I'd like to remind Members, testifiers, and

9 guests, this Committee hearing is being tape-recorded, it's

10 been streamed live, and I believe PCN is picking up live as

11 well. I ’d also like to ask everyone to silence your phones

12 and electronic devices.

13 I’d like to start off this meeting with the

14 Pledge of Allegiance, and Representative Harkins, could you

15 lead us?

16 DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HARKINS: Yes.

17

18 (The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.)

19

20 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: W e ’ll start off with

21 introductions. Again, I ’m State Representative Seth Grove,

22 York County.

23 DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HARKINS: Good morning. I ’m

24 , [microphone turned off]. 6

1 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS-HILL: Kristin Hill, 93rd

2 District, Southern York County.

3 REPRESENTATIVE LEWIS: Good morning. Harry

4 Lewis, 74th District, Chester County.

5 REPRESENTATIVE LONGIETTI: Good morning. Mark

6 Longietti. I represent the 7th District in Mercer County.

7 MR. BIACCHI: Mike Biacchi, Research Analyst.

8 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you. I have

9 brief comments, as well as Representative Harkins.

10 Generally here, how do we do a better job

11 matching up the workers of tomorrow with the careers of

12 tomorrow? How do we match up the workers today with the

13 careers of today? How do we end the biases we feel towards

14 technical education in the Commonwealth? These are not new

15 questions, and in fact many programs and policies have been

16 adopted to address them.

17 But we'll dive deeper into these policies and

18 programs and demand more answers in order to fully complete

19 our work. We will work diligently and comprehensively, as

20 I feel it is imperative for the future of our economic

21 viability as our Commonwealth. I truly believe

22 Pennsylvania is on the cusp of being an economic

23 powerhouse, and what we do today will set our fate in the

24 future.

25 I thank the testifiers today for their time in 7

1 helping us understand where career and technical education

2 is today. With over a year until this Committee report is

3 due, w e ’re planning several hearings and tours. This

4 morning, we are building a foundation focusing on K through

5 12 career and technical education. In developing policy, I

6 personally ask what is happening now and how do we improve

7 it? That is our goal for our first two hearings.

8 Our next hearing will be Thursday, May 28th, at

9 Reading Community College. We will be focused on higher

10 education, career and technical education, and a tour of

11 Reading Community College, followed by a roundtable on June

12 11th hosted by Representative Mike Tobash on Act 168,

13 followed by another tour.

14 I fully believe the more work we do as a Select

15 Committee, the better the final product we will develop.

16 My goal is to make everyone on this Select Committee,

17 whether they like it or not, an expert in career and

18 technical education.

19 With that said, Representative Harkins, do you

20 have any opening comments?

21 DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HARKINS: Thank you,

22 Representative Grove.

23 I ’d just like to add that I look forward to

24 working with all the Members, all the stakeholders. My

25 background in high school was Erie Tech Memorial, a degree 8

1 in electronics and electricity that I still use to this

2 day. I also had the good fortune of meeting my wife there,

3 but that’s for another day.

4 But, no, I just look forward to traveling around

5 the State, getting to know more about the trades, and

6 putting more of an emphasis on the trades, working with

7 everyone.

8 Thank you very much.

9 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you.

10 As this Committee was borne out of

11 bipartisanship, we hope to have a final bipartisan product

12 moving forward working with all stakeholders and I look

13 forward to all the input from every stakeholder, every

14 testifier, and the countless people I have met with. There

15 is a ton of excitement, I think, for this Select Committee,

16 and hopefully we can do good due diligence through -- by

17 all the stakeholders through this process.

18 With that, I ’d like to call our first testifier,

19 Diane Bosak, Acting Deputy Secretary of Workforce

20 Development for the Pennsylvania Department of Labor and

21 Industry. Welcome this morning.

22 MS. BOSAK: Thank you.

23 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: And feel free to start

24 when you’re comfortable.

25 MS. BOSAK: Okay. Good morning. Chairman Grove, 9

1 Chairman Harkins, and the Members of the House Education

2 and Select Subcommittee on Technical Education and Career

3 Readiness. I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you

4 this morning regarding technical education and career

5 readiness in the Commonwealth, particularly as these relate

6 to the workforce development.

7 The Department of Labor and Industry is committed

8 to Governor Wolf's priorities of jobs that pay, government

9 that works, and schools that teach. The role the

10 Department's Workforce Development activities plan of

11 supporting the Governor's philosophy is twofold:

12 • By engaging stakeholders across the workforce

13 and service delivery spectrum, including

14 employers, education, and training providers

15 and jobseekers, we are helping to create an

16 economy that provides family-sustaining jobs

17 for Pennsylvanians.

18 • By providing Pennsylvanians the skills that

19 employers are looking for, our Workforce

20 Development system, with 22 local Workforce

21 Boards and 65 CareerLink Centers, is preparing

22 Pennsylvanians for family-sustaining jobs.

23

24 Today, we'll describe one proposed and four

25 existing workforce development initiatives in which the 10

1 Department carries out in areas related to technical

2 education and career readiness. The Career and Technical

3 Education Initiative, Business-Education Partnership

4 Grants, Apprenticeship Program Grants, and industry

5 partnerships, all these programs encourage local and

6 regional collaboration and strong connections between

7 employers and the workforce system.

8 As you may be aware, Governor Wolf's budget

9 provides for a major new investment in career and technical

10 education taking the first step toward modernizing and

11 transforming what has often been a neglected and

12 underperforming part of the State's educational and

13 workforce development system. The budget provides 15

14 million to help school districts partner with career and

15 technology centers, higher education institutions,

16 employers and labor organizations to train students for

17 high-demand, high-growth occupations that pay a living wage

18 and offer a career ladder. Students will have the

19 opportunity to earn college credit and industry credentials

20 and will participate in work-based learning.

21 Approximately 30 grants of up to $500,000 each

22 will be awarded with at least one in each workforce

23 investment area. The Department will administer this

24 program jointly with the Departments of Education and

25 Community and Economic Development. 11

1 I ’m going to pause for a moment in my comments

2 and ask Ed Legge from the Center for Workforce Information

3 and Analysis to provide an overview of the kinds of jobs

4 for which these initiatives will prepare students, and then

5 I will share some highlights of our other initiatives.

6 MR. LEGGE: Thanks, Diane.

7 Good morning, everybody. Thank you for the

8 opportunity to speak to you today. I ’m going to pass along

9 some labor market information as it relates to career and

10 technical education.

11 There are approximately six million people

12 employed in Pennsylvania in 2012. This is the base year we

13 used to project employment levels to the year 2022. In the

14 year 2022 employment is expected to exceed 6.5 million.

15 That equates to a projected growth rate of 7.7 percent from

16 2012 to 2022.

17 Growth rates for occupation requiring certain

18 educational levels are higher than others. Jobs requiring

19 an associate’s degree have the highest projected rate of

20 15.8 percent over that period, but the two groups most

21 closely related to trainings offered at career and

22 technical education institutions those that have some

23 postsecondary education training and long-term training or

24 apprenticeship training are close behind at 11.7 percent

25 growth rate and 9.2 percent growth rate respectively. 12

1 Job opportunities or annual openings, as we refer

2 to them, are not only a result of a growth in employment,

3 there are also a significant number of opportunities that

4 result from the need to replace workers who leave the

5 occupation. On average, only 25 percent of job openings

6 are a result of employment growth. In Pennsylvania nearly

7 200,000 job openings are projected each year. Of those,

8 more than 26,000 are expected in occupations that are

9 career- and technical education-related.

10 With above-average growth in more than 13 percent

11 of all job openings, occupations in career- and technical

12 education-related groups have a very bright employment

13 outlook. Some of the most commonly found career and

14 technical education programs include food service,

15 automotive repair, cosmetology, bookkeeping, childcare, and

16 construction trades.

17 The 10 most-common career and technical education

18 programs align to 15 distinct occupations. Of the 15

19 occupations, secretaries have the largest employment

20 followed by bookkeepers, childcare workers, and carpenters.

21 Eleven of the occupations have above-average projected

22 growth rates with CNC machine tool programmers having the

23 highest rate at 30.6 percent growth. Carpenters register

24 the next-highest projected growth rate at 17.1 percent.

25 Across the 15 occupations, more than 14,000 13

1 openings are expected each year. Average wages among the

2 15 occupations vary from a low of $20,470 for childcare

3 workers to an annual wage of $62,700 for computer network

4 specialists.

5 That’s all I have.

6 MS. BOSAK: Okay. Great. Thank you, Ed.

7 Moving on to a couple of the other initiatives of

8 the Department of Labor and Industry, Industry Partnerships

9 have been an important facet of the State’s workforce

10 development efforts. Governor Wolf’s budget provides a $10

11 million increase in funding for the Industry Partnerships

12 program. This program helps connect Pennsylvania’s

13 educational training systems with the needs of employers

14 spurring job advancement, growth, and creation by

15 prioritizing occupational areas of critical need. The

16 program enables companies in the same industry group or

17 cluster to come together on a regional basis to identify

18 their common skill needs and develop training programs to

19 meet those needs.

20 Industry Partnerships currently operate in four

21 targeted industry clusters: advanced materials and diverse

22 fine manufacturing, agriculture and food processing,

23 energy, and healthcare. With the 10 million, we hope that

24 we’ll be able to expand Industry Partnerships in the

25 Commonwealth by enabling incumbent workers to industry- 14

1 recognized credentials and move up the career ladder.

2 Industry Partnerships help open up jobs for entry-level

3 workers. In the future, career advancement of movement

4 into and up a career ladder will become even more important

5 as goals of the Industry Partnership program.

6 Another initiative, Business-Education

7 Partnerships, these grants support both existing

8 partnerships that wish to expand services and

9 constituencies on those that wish to use funds to develop a

10 new partnership. Business-Education Partnerships connect

11 local businesses with school districts to promote job

12 opportunities and career pathways that engage students,

13 parents, and educators in technical career opportunities.

14 The partnerships connect these audiences to provide career-

15 related experiences and exposure opportunities for students

16 through soft skills development, internships, workplace

17 shadowing, career mentoring, and more.

18 A partnership is required to include the local

19 Workforce Investment Board, business entities, school

20 districts, career and technical schools, and institutions

21 of higher education. Additional partners -- community-

22 based organizations, trade associations, economic

23 development entities, and others -- may also be included.

24 I ’ve highlighted a few examples of Business-Education

25 Partnerships in my written testimony. 15

1 Another initiative is our Apprenticeship Program

2 grants. Pennsylvania has been promoting and establishing

3 the standards for Apprenticeship Programs since 1961.

4 Registered Apprenticeship Programs meet the skilled

5 workforce needs of industry by training thousands of

6 individuals for lifelong careers. Incorporating registered

7 Apprenticeship Programs directly into the workforce

8 development system strengthens Pennsylvania’s local and

9 regional economies by developing highly trained and

10 educated residents. It also helps Pennsylvania meet

11 important performance goals for workforce development. The

12 goal of Apprenticeship Programs is to provide funding to

13 improve and enhance existing Apprenticeship Programs in

14 Pennsylvania so that apprentices acquire the skills

15 necessary to compete in the 21st century economy.

16 An exciting new endeavor for the Department, as

17 you may or may not be aware, Congress last summer passed

18 the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act. This was a

19 rewrite of the former Workforce Investment Act. WIOA, as

20 it is known, provides a framework for States to make

21 significant changes to the workforce system that will make

22 the system more responsive to jobseekers and employers

23 alike.

24 WIOA emphasizes career pathways and sector

25 strategies. Career pathways can become a way to link the 16

1 workforce system with career and technical education at the

2 secondary and postsecondary levels and align this with

3 high-demand occupations. Sector strategies can be a way to

4 increase employer engagement across the workforce system,

5 as well as to connect more employers to career and

6 technical education at the career and technical centers and

7 the community colleges.

8 As we begin to develop the State Workforce Plan,

9 we would be looking at ways to promote linkages beyond the

10 public workforce system and to our State agency partners

11 and local and regional partners. And I might add here that

12 we will be beginning our State planning process this

13 Thursday with stakeholders convening in Harrisburg.

14 Mr. Chairman, thank you for the opportunity to

15 provide these remarks. The Department of Labor and

16 Industry is committed to providing Pennsylvanians with the

17 appropriate job skills to make them competitive in the 21st

18 century job market. Please support the Department’s

19 efforts through the Career and Educational Training

20 Initiative Industry Partnerships program and other programs

21 that we continue to prepare Pennsylvania’s workforce for

22 future challenges and success.

23 I ’ll be happy to answer any questions.

24 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you very much.

25 W e ’re joined by Chairman Stan Saylor, who has had 17

1 a passion for career and technical education for a number

2 of years. I thank him for his leadership and authoring HR

3 102 and appreciate his continued leadership on education

4 issues.

5 First, I want to start off by asking what are the

6 job growth rates for CTE education versus other job career

7 sectors? What are we looking at in the future compared to

8 career and tech versus other jobs?

9 MS. BOSAK: I ’m going to ask Ed to chime in here.

10 MR. LEGGE: Yeah, I believe I mentioned it in my

11 comments that the educational levels align to career and

12 technical education are looking at growth rates of 11.7

13 percent for those who get some postsecondary education in

14 line to those careers, and 9.2 percent for those that go

15 through a long-term training or apprenticeship program.

16 That compares to an overall rate for all occupations in

17 Pennsylvania, 7.7 percent.

18 Associate’s degree-trained individuals have the

19 highest growth rate. However, when looking at growth

20 rates, you've also got to look at there’s not as many

21 occupations aligned to associate degree-type jobs. So

22 while the growth rate is high, it doesn't always equate to

23 more jobs.

24 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Okay. Within high

25 schools obviously a lot of students will go to their 18

1 guidance counselor for guidance on jobs. How are we

2 relaying job growth, jobs available down to students in

3 high school looking for a decision to be made whether

4 they’re going to go into an apprenticeship program, whether

5 they seek higher education, four-year degree, two-year

6 degree? How is that coordinated at the State level going

7 down?

8 MS. BOSAK: Well, CWIA, the Center for Workforce

9 Information and Analysis, prepares a number of reports and

10 materials that we share with guidance counselors and others

11 in the school districts and CTCs. We also are looking at

12 ways to expand our apprenticeship program so that we can

13 make more employers, students, educators, and parents aware

14 of apprenticeship opportunities. Right now, Pennsylvania,

15 we sort of have been flat in terms of employers that have

16 participated in apprenticeship programs and the number of

17 apprentices. So w e ’ve been at I think about 7 00 and some

18 employers engaged in 11,000 apprentices, but that number,

19 while it sounds high, has been fairly stagnant.

20 So we are really looking to bolster our

21 apprenticeship activities in the State and make more people

22 aware of it. I ’m not sure if you’ve seen South Carolina,

23 what they’ve done, but when they created their

24 Apprenticeship Carolina, they had far fewer employers

25 engaged in their initiative, far fewer educators as well, 19

1 and very few apprenticeship programs. And in a matter of

2 just a decade they have had enormous growth in

3 apprenticeships. And certainly we see that as a real

4 opportunity to connect with the CTCs.

5 And I ’ll also mention that it was key -- I was

6 just at the Southwestern Pennsylvania BotsIQ competition.

7 I ’m not sure if anybody has had an opportunity to see that.

8 It was held last weekend at California University of

9 Pennsylvania, and high school students, CTC students build

10 these robots that compete with each other. It’s a large

11 competition, 67 school districts involved, and some of

12 those students walk away from that with jobs already in

13 hand.

14 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Harry, go ahead.

15 REPRESENTATIVE LEWIS: Let me ask, there are a

16 lot of technical high schools now, formerly votech schools,

17 and I am familiar with the bots and the robotic program

18 that went on. How will this connect with what your plans

19 are in helping these students? They are high school

20 students but they’re sort of in a quandary between high

21 school and community college, and they are developing some

22 apprentice programs because, as you just stated, some

23 students are ready to go out into the job force ready to be

24 productive.

25 MS. BOSAK: Well, I think we have to think about 20

1 workforce development in a more global kind of way than

2 just at least what some people think of in terms of the

3 public workforce system. And certainly the emphasis in the

4 new Federal Workforce Innovation Opportunity Act is on

5 career pathways. We think with the Governor’s proposed

6 Career and Technical Education Initiative, with what w e ’re

7 already doing in terms of business and education

8 partnerships, industry partnerships, there’s a way to

9 connect all these things so that students who may right now

10 be in high school and are thinking about their futures have

11 a pathway and maybe they do want to go into the workplace.

12 They have an opportunity. One of these students from the

13 BotsIQ competition has a job already lined up for when they

14 graduate from high school, but that’s not the end. There’s

15 a pathway.

16 We need to create clear pathways for students so

17 that they understand that there are future opportunities to

18 grow through additional education and training, so "stacked

19 and latticed credentials," which is a huge emphasis right

20 now in the career pathways system, so postsecondary

21 education and training through community colleges, through

22 the universities. There are many avenues for students to

23 explore, and with the emphasis in the new Federal Workforce

24 Investment Act and with our partner agencies, we hope that

25 we can make those pathways clearer for students so it’s not 21

1 just, hey, I ’ve got a job and this is the end; I can move

2 on.

3 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Representative Hill.

4 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS-HILL: Thank you for

5 being here this morning.

6 I served as a School Board Director and I ’m very

7 familiar with career pathways as a matter of fact. The

8 school district that I served in recently changed their

9 pathways and it was a long process and it was a very

10 integrated process with our own business community and our

11 educators and members of the community.

12 I ’m concerned. These are great ideas that you’re

13 talking about. I don’t really understand how what you’re

14 talking about gets down to that local school district level

15 and how everything that you’re doing can be shared with

16 them so that it can educate them and become part of the

17 career pathways that each school district creates for their

18 own students.

19 MS. BOSAK: Obviously we have to rely a lot on

20 our partners to help share that message. It’s just not the

21 Department of Labor and Industry. It’s our State-level

22 partners, the Department of Education, DCED, but it’s also

23 our local and regional partners, the local Workforce

24 Investment Boards who are the primary applicants for

25 Industry Partnerships and the Business-Education 22

1 Partnerships. So we really need to rely on them to be

2 making those local connections.

3 As we develop our State plan and implement the

4 Federal Workforce Investment Act, there are really strong

5 requirements for local and regional planning and employer

6 engagement and how you connect to community colleges and

7 career and technical education. So w e ’ll be looking to

8 provide guidance to local and regional boards about how

9 they can do those things.

10 We ourselves, we don’t necessarily have the

11 direct relationships with the CTCs. A lot of our work is

12 with our partners.

13 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS-HILL: So if I understand

14 this correctly, you have regional boards in York County and

15 in Chester County and all throughout the Commonwealth, and

16 their job is to then take the information that you’ve

17 pushed down to them and to send it out to our career and

18 technical schools and to our local high schools?

19 MS. BOSAK: There are —

20 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS-HILL: Is that the way it

21 works?

22 MS. BOSAK: There are 22 local Workforce

23 Investment Boards and they are responsible for connecting

24 with local employers, training providers, whether those are

25 CTCs or community colleges or universities or trade 23

1 schools. They’re making those connections. And then in

2 regions that several local Workforce Investment Boards

3 would come together, and that’s the regional planning

4 process. So that’s what w e ’re trying to, as we look and go

5 about implementing the Federal law, how we can improve and

6 make those connection points better and that we are sharing

7 information in a more broad way.

8 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS-HILL: But that

9 information is getting down to the local high school level

10 to middle schools and high schools because really these

11 students are beginning these pathways in middle school so

12 there is a way to send that information down.

13 MS. BOSAK: Yes. And I think you’ve done some

14 work on this.

15 MR. LEGGE: Diane mentioned some of our products

16 earlier. We do a publication called a Career Guide, which

17 is geared towards high school students that outlines labor

18 market information, career information, job opportunities

19 in various occupations.

20 You mentioned the middle schools. We actually

21 have developed career trading cards that w e ’re going to be

22 making available soon. They’re basically baseball card-

23 type things that show careers and different wages and

24 occupations. And last week actually a couple of us were

25 talking to career and technical administrators, community 24

1 colleges, Lehigh Carbon Community College, so we de events

2 like that where we go out and discuss our information,

3 occupations that are growing, occupations that are in

4 demand. We present at least once, sometimes twice a year

5 PACTA does statewide conferences with career and technical

6 administrators.

7 So we are doing our best to get the information

8 out on careers and job openings and the type of education

9 needed to move into various careers. So we do that on a

10 regular basis and w e ’re always available to talk to

11 schools. We've been to many high schools over the years

12 talking about career and technical education, job

13 opportunities and things like that.

14 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS-HILL: Thank you very

15 much.

16 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you.

17 Chairman Saylor.

18 REPRESENTATIVE SAYLOR: Madam Secretary, I

19 appreciate some of the things you guys are doing with

20 reaching out to the schools. I think that one of the

21 things I liked about -- you mentioned South Carolina -- was

22 the fact that actually students and parents can go online

23 and interact with sites that talk about what you need to be

24 taking in high school, what classes to take, what are the

25 opportunities out there, actually talk to whatever person 25

1 in a particular career that you may be going.

2 I think one of the things that we have a problem

3 with in career and technical schools today is people still

4 have the old image of what manufacturing is, for instance.

5 They have the old image of, well, you're not successful

6 unless you get a four-year degree. And if you go to a

7 trade school or a technical school or a votech school,

8 you're a dummy or you're a troublemaker. And I think we

9 have to do a better job where I think South Carolina has

10 done a fantastic job in reaching out to parents and

11 students to make them understand there are some very, very

12 good careers, financially rewarding careers with benefits

13 and 401(k)s and healthcare that is available.

14 And I don't think we in Pennsylvania have moved

15 that direction. I think we're still living in the dark

16 ages. And somebody who's getting closer to retirement age,

17 I want to make sure we're keeping our students here because

18 somebody's got to pay the bills for when I go to that

19 nursing home.

20 So, Madam Secretary, I would ask you to take a

21 look at some of the things some of the other States have

22 done in creation of educating parents because I think

23 that's a big thing. Parents love to push kids off to four-

24 year colleges but we're also seeing the reports and I think

25 the Governor has talked about a huge debt that our students 26

1 are coming out of colleges with and then have no job. From

2 the point of our colleges in Pennsylvania, you’re training

3 10,000 teachers for 1,500 jobs. You come out of debt and

4 you’re one of those 8,500 people who are coming out of

5 college and not getting a job and teaching, paying that

6 debt is very difficult.

7 So I would ask you to take a look at where we can

8 -- and maybe you have some ideas already and I welcome if

9 you do -- how we can reach out better to parents and

10 teachers to make them aware of today’s world. Like I said,

11 I think we in Pennsylvania are still set in the old ages of

12 what it is.

13 So when I looked at South Carolina and their

14 interaction, I thought it was great because you could go

15 online and talk to somebody in a career whether it was a

16 car tech or auto mechanic or something and find out what

17 the opportunity is like, what it’s like, what you need to

18 do as a student, and exactly how much you make because I

19 know when I go to career days, I always have one student

20 that says, well, I want to make a million dollars. And I

21 repeat that a lot because it goes to the point that how do

22 we convince students today that there is a better life

23 ahead of them by picking career and technical schools?

24 Have you had an opportunity -- I know you’re fairly new but

25 have you looked at anything like that? 27

1 MS. BOSAK: Well, certainly. I mean we look at

2 other States and what they are doing. W e ’re looking right

3 now at how we can improve the information we share on our

4 website and on the CWIA website to make it more user-

5 friendly. I think we need to do better at also

6 highlighting what are some things that are happening out

7 there right now that are exciting like the BotsIQ

8 competition and the kind of energy and how employers are

9 engaged in that and what that means. There are several

10 other examples I highlighted in my testimony.

11 So I think that there are pockets of things that

12 are happening that could help us if we could share that

13 information with more parents and more students to make

14 them aware.

15 I think the other thing, too, is how do we do a

16 better job of also connecting with employers, employers who

17 may be sort of on the cutting edge of new industry and are

18 looking to expand or take what they’re doing a little bit

19 further but they need the skilled workforce. And so can we

20 find better ways to connect them to CTCs and community

21 colleges and the universities so that we can make that

22 happen and get them a skilled workforce so that they can

23 expand.

24 REPRESENTATIVE SAYLOR: Well, and I remember

25 somebody mentioning to me -- and I can’t recall -- maybe 28

1 some group in the western part of the State who actually

2 did have a video up and running you could look up careers

3 and actually interact with individuals in that career, and

4 I can’t remember who it was, but I thought it was fantastic

5 because that’s what people need. Reading on the computer

6 this or that is not always -- it’s great to be able to

7 interact in some way or shape or form with individuals.

8 But I thank you for your testimony today, and

9 that’s it, Mr. Chairman.

10 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you.

11 Also joined by Representative Mike Tobash from

12 Schuylkill County.

13 I think that’s it for questions from panel

14 members. What might be helpful to the Committee is provide

15 some kind of chart showing how labor and industry, who you

16 connect with as far as career and technical education, as

17 well as maybe through other departments like your

18 interaction with PDE, what data do you share, how it flows

19 out. I think that would be helpful to the Committee to

20 just get almost a picture framework of how this is done in

21 the Commonwealth.

22 MS. BOSAK: Okay, great. We could do that.

23 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Will do. Thank you.

24 MS. BOSAK: Thank you.

25 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Go ahead. 29

1 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Interesting testimony.

2 And I appreciate you being here this morning.

3 And just to dovetail on what the Chairman of the

4 Education Committee just said, I think he’s spot on where

5 he talks about this disconnect between I think our

6 education system, our CTCs, and our workforce development

7 organizations and really businesses in the Commonwealth.

8 So in the last session we were fortunate enough

9 to get a bill passed into law. It’s Act 168. It’s the

10 Business-Education Partnership. And w e ’re piloting in

11 Schuylkill County right now so w e ’ve got a number of

12 manufacturers that are on board and allowing educators to

13 get continuing education credits by coming into those

14 manufacturing facilities and see just exactly what

15 Representative Saylor is talking about, the job

16 opportunities that are available.

17 You know, the thing that is so disappointing to

18 me, and I continue to see it, I was just at a job fair over

19 the weekend and there were a number of employers. One of

20 the employers is looking for employees; they said they were

21 looking for 100 employees. And I don’t think 100 potential

22 employees showed up at the job fair.

23 In Schuylkill County w e ’ve got about 60 percent

24 of the job opportunities are vocational jobs and we have

25 difficulty getting 15 percent of our students to go into 30

1 the technical career field.

2 So the act that we had passed, 168, allows

3 teachers to go in to these manufacturing facilities and

4 understand that manufacturing is different than it was

5 before, that we've got great career opportunities, that

6 we've got excellent benefits. And it's not only working on

7 the floor. You've got marketing positions, you've got

8 advertising positions, you've got accounting positions,

9 you've got engineering positions.

10 So as we continue to try and connect this, we

11 look forward to working with your department to roll this

12 out statewide, so I think really building awareness within

13 our educational system between our CTCs, our K through 12

14 school districts, our higher ed system, and realizing that

15 we've got so many job opportunities in the Commonwealth

16 that are just going unfilled because I think the lack of

17 coordination. So our office looks forward to working with

18 yours, and we want to really make this the best playing

19 field for great careers that we possibly can.

20 MS. BOSAK: And we agree and we're open to

21 working with all of you.

22 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Great. Thank you.

23 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you. I guess

24 that's a great transition to our next testifier, Lee

25 Burket, Director, Pennsylvania Department of Education, 31

1 Bureau of Career and Technical Education.

2 Thank you so much for coming and feel free to

3 start when you’re ready.

4 DR. BURKET: Chairman Grove, Chairman Harkins,

5 and Members of the Select Subcommittee on Technical

6 Education and Career Readiness. My name is Lee Burket and

7 I am the Director of the Bureau of Career and Technical

8 Education at the Pennsylvania Department of Education.

9 Thank you for giving me the opportunity to submit

10 comments regarding career and technical education in

11 Pennsylvania.

12 Currently, the Pennsylvania Department of

13 Education, through the Bureau of Career and Technical

14 Education, supports the following entities through

15 regulation, policy, and funding. The Department works with

16 135 high schools that hold Department approval for career

17 and technical education, or CTE, and of the 135 high

18 schools, 15 hold approval of eight or more CTE programs.

19 The CTE programs are classified by instructional title and

20 assigned a number called a CIP code, or Classification of

21 Instructional Program. The classification system is a

22 national certification standard.

23 High schools enroll 14,994 students in grades 9

24 through 12 in their CTE programs. Career and technical

25 centers, or CTCs, are joint schools consisting of school 32

1 districts within an approved area of vocational technical

2 school attendance area that agree to offer their students

3 career and technical education at a common location or

4 campus.

5 As a member of a CTC, each member school district

6 has representation on the Joint Operating Committee, or the

7 JOC. The JOC performs the same duties as a school board,

8 which includes approving the CTC budget. Member school

9 districts fund the operation of the CTC, as determined by

10 the Articles of Agreement.

11 There are 86 CTCs in Pennsylvania, which include

12 each of the campuses associated with a CTC. For example,

13 Chester County CTC has three campuses.

14 The JOC decides on what type of CTC to operate,

15 either a comprehensive CTC or an occupational CTC.

16 Comprehensive CTCs offer students both academic courses and

17 technical programs, and occupational CTCs offer only

18 technical programs and students receive their academic

19 coursework at their school district of residence.

20 There are 13 comprehensive CTCs and 60

21 occupational CTCs. CTCs enroll 50,569 students in their

22 CTE programs, and in 2014, Pennsylvania's total student

23 enrollment in CTE was 65,563 students in grades 9 through

24 12. This is approximately 12 percent of the State total

25 enrollment of 550,758 students in grades 9 through 12. 33

1 The Department, through the Bureau of Career and

2 Technical Education, works with 34 postsecondary

3 institutions which receive the Federal Carl D. Perkins

4 Career and Technical Education Improvement Act of 2006

5 funds. And the 34 institutions include different types of

6 institutions and I ’ll move from that.

7 The Department, through the Bureau of Career and

8 Technical Education, works with 74 entities which receive

9 State funds to reimburse them for the operation of adult

10 technical training to meet the immediate needs of

11 employers.

12 Currently, Pennsylvania receives $40 million

13 related to the Federal Carl D. Perkins Act. The funds are

14 distributed to secondary and postsecondary recipients

15 through a formula. Recipients must use the funds to

16 improve academic and technical skills of students through

17 the integration of academic standards with technical

18 content, and the recipients must provide a program of

19 study.

20 The Federal funds support 97 secondary schools

21 and the 34 postsecondary entities. There are nine mandated

22 uses of funds and 20 permissible uses of funds. Both State

23 and Federal regulations require that secondary CTE and

24 postsecondary CTE align programs and establish Articulation

25 Agreements. Alignment between the secondary CTE and 34

1 postsecondary CTE establishes a pathway for students to

2 earn college credit for the secondary technical coursework.

3 The Department developed a program of study in

4 the statewide Articulation Agreement that ensures students

5 have the opportunity to earn at minimum nine college

6 credits for the secondary technical coursework. The

7 original development of the program of study involves

8 secondary instructors, postsecondary faculty and

9 business/industry representatives.

10 The Department is also working with school

11 districts and career and technical centers to develop

12 career pathways. The Department helps local partnership

13 teams learn about pathways concept and do initial planning

14 toward creating those pathway partnerships.

15 Locally, secondary and postsecondary CTE has

16 taken further the program of study developed by the State

17 and established pathways that begin in secondary school and

18 culminate with a four-year bachelor’s degree. Through

19 these pathways, CTE students are able to earn a

20 postsecondary credential, a certificate, or a degree.

21 Successful models of the K to 16 pathway that lead to

22 postsecondary credentials have been established at Lehigh

23 Career and Technical Institute in Lehigh County, Delaware

24 County Community College, and the Community College of

25 Allegheny County. 35

1 Secondary schools provide students with career

2 information and career counseling services for students K

3 through 12. The Department developed a guide and provides

4 technical assistance for schools in intermediate units to

5 use to develop their career counseling programs. Locally,

6 schools providing counseling services are assisting

7 students in selecting a career goal and developing an

8 educational plan that helps students to pursue their career

9 goals after high school. A model of a career counseling

10 plan is at Erie City School District.

11 Secondary and postsecondary CTEs engage business

12 in the development and offering of the CTE program. The

13 Department has developed a number of resources to assist

14 secondary CTE programs and administrators to engage the

15 business community with the educational program and system.

16 Working with secondary schools, postsecondary institutions,

17 and the workforce investment boards, the Department

18 developed resources that provide guidance to assist in

19 establishing and sustaining business and industry

20 partnerships.

21 Opportunities for partnership engagement include

22 addressing community needs, staff development, curriculum

23 assistance, student technical competitions, testing and

24 graduation, assistance with education and career planning,

25 work experience, donation, student recognition, and public 36

1 relations. A model of building and sustaining business and

2 industry partnerships is at Lenape Career and Technical

3 Center in Armstrong County.

4 Secondary CTE aligns to industry standards and

5 provides opportunity for students to earn industry

6 credentials. The Department has developed programs of

7 study that outline the technical content students should

8 learn while enrolled in secondary CTE.

9 The technical content is aligned to national and

10 State industry standards, where such standards exist. This

11 alignment to available industry standards and focus by

12 secondary CTE programs on providing students with the

13 opportunity to earn industry credentials has enabled 36

14 percent of high school seniors enrolled in CTE to earn

15 industry certifications in the 2013/14 school year. Not

16 all of the industry certifications earned are program-

17 specific and do not necessarily lead to increased

18 employability.

19 The Department has worked collaboratively with

20 the Pennsylvania Association of Career and Technical

21 Administrators, Pennsylvania Association of School

22 Administrators, Pennsylvania School Boards Association, and

23 the Pennsylvania State Education Association in developing

24 a number of CTE resources. The Department also worked

25 collaboratively with the Pennsylvania Departments of 37

1 Agriculture and Labor and Industry and the State Workforce

2 Investment Board.

3 These collaborations, along with a commitment of

4 the Department, enable it to provide technical assistance

5 and resources that support the local entities as they

6 strive toward providing CTE and career opportunities to

7 increased numbers of students. The result is an increased

8 number of students enrolling in CTE and increased numbers

9 of students existing high school with industry-recognized

10 skill credentials and Pennsylvania skills certificates and

11 college credits in careers where employment is available.

12 We do have a number of recommendations. Pathways

13 exist for students enrolled in CTE, but the opportunity for

14 all students to enroll in CTE is limited. Governor Wolf's

15 proposed budget takes the first step in ensuring CTE

16 students have access to the tools and resources to be

17 successful in the 21st century economy.

18 Currently, there are only a few pathways that

19 connect in associate's degree to a four-year baccalaureate

20 degree. Additional alignment of associate degree to four-

21 year baccalaureate degree programs would benefit students.

22 This would entail establishing a structure for

23 postsecondary programs to meet with secondary CTE providers

24 to determine alignment and develop pathways. Models exist

25 at Lehigh Career and Technical Institute, Berks CTC and 38

1 Reading-Muhlenberg CTC. The CTCs have worked with their

2 community colleges and Bloomsburg University to provide

3 students with a pathway with exit points at each level

4 while providing students the opportunity to earn a

5 baccalaureate degree if they pursue the full pathway.

6 The data show that 89 percent of students

7 enrolled in career and technical centers are proficient or

8 advanced on the 12th grade technical assessment. School

9 districts and single-district CTCs, however, have not

10 demonstrated this level of achievement for students

11 enrolled in their CTE programs. It is recommended that

12 additional assistance be provided to school districts and

13 single-district CTCs to increase the technical achievement

14 levels of students enrolled in their CTE programs. It is

15 recommended that all approved secondary CTE programs

16 provide the opportunity for their students to earn program

17 industry-related certifications that lead to increased

18 employability.

19 And even though secondary and postsecondary CTE

20 programs engage business and industry, stronger engagement

21 between employers and CTE programs would help ensure that

22 local and regional technical skills gaps can be closed.

23 Approved program evaluations often cite the lack of

24 meaningful engagement of business to guide program

25 direction and to guide the school’s decisions regarding 39

1 programs that contribute to the workforce needs of the

2 community.

3 Alignment of academic courses to each career

4 pathway should be strengthened to ensure that students

5 enrolling in CTE programs are at grade level and ready to

6 pursue their careers. Students are being withheld from CTE

7 programs due to the need for remedial education. Students

8 who do not pass the Keystone exam are required to drop

9 elective courses such as CTE in order to schedule the

10 required remediation. CTE should be a requirement rather

11 than an elective to avoid this conflict with Keystone

12 remediation.

13 Governor Wolf’s 2015/16 proposed budget invests

14 in career and technical education in three targeted ways.

15 The proposal includes $15 million for grants to be awarded

16 on a competitive basis to support the establishment of

17 career and technical programs that prepare students for

18 success in the high-skill economy, which will address many

19 of the recommendations listed above.

20 Area career and technical schools and school

21 districts with eight or more approved programs will be

22 eligible to receive grants, and these grants are intended

23 to fund programs that include local employers or labor

24 unions, Workforce Investment Boards, and institutions of

25 higher education as partners, provide work-based learning 40

1 opportunities for students, and provide the opportunity for

2 students to earn college credit or industry-recognized

3 certification. This initiative will help create more

4 pathways for students to earn industry-recognized

5 credentials and enter training programs of both two- and

6 four-year higher education institutions.

7 Additionally, the proposal includes $8 million in

8 grants to be distributed on a competitive basis to school

9 districts and career and technical schools to offer college

10 and career counseling in middle and high schools. This

11 will help schools and programs develop pathways for

12 students to pursue high-skill careers.

13 Lastly, the Governor has proposed a $5 million

14 investment to help area career and technical schools and

15 school districts to purchase equipment that meets industry

16 standards for the purpose of training students. Attached

17 to my testimony is data illustrating student enrollment,

18 performance, and certification.

19 Again, I thank you for the opportunity to provide

20 this public comment and see if you have any questions.

21 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you very much.

22 I recently attended a roundtable discussion on

23 career and technical education, where it stands

24 specifically for York County, a lot of stakeholders at the

25 table, and one thing hit me pretty hard. We have a small 41

1 business called Harley-Davidson. They make motorcycles. I

2 don't know if you've heard of them. They're pretty cool

3 and it's a pretty cool company. It's something that most

4 high school students would say, man, I want to work at

5 Harley someday. They asked one of our local

6 superintendents, do you still have work release? So here

7 we have a Fortune 500 company in York County asking do you

8 still have work release and can we get some students?

9 Now, obviously there's probably a hang-up with

10 work release heading into a manufacturing setting. Some

11 businesses have some liability issues depending on what

12 they're doing and stuff like that. But are we seeing kind

13 of like a communication breakdown? Because that worried me

14 a little bit, just that one single question of locally. At

15 the State level we have all this interaction and

16 connection. It goes to the local WIB and then down to

17 school districts and then what happens? Are we actually

18 garnering the connections we need to connect those kids

19 with those jobs where businesses are looking to maybe bring

20 kids in for work release and getting that next generation

21 of employees?

22 DR. BURKET: So work-based learning or

23 cooperative education, that does exist and I know it exists

24 at York County CTC. Typically, the State is not in the

25 minute details of connecting one employer to a given 42

1 educational program. So is there a communication

2 breakdown? There could be. I ’d have to explore that

3 further, though.

4 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Yes. And that’s

5 probably why I previously asked the Department of Labor for

6 almost like a flow sheet of how the State interacts locally

7 and back and forth between State Government agencies to see

8 if through almost the system we built and have in place

9 over a number of years, there may be breakdowns in

10 communication. And just that comment someone from Harley-

11 Davidson made just triggered that thought in my head that

12 are we utilizing the system that we have created in the

13 most effective, efficient way or did we lose that at some

14 point over the years it’s been established?

15 DR. BURKET: And that is a good question. So if

16 they were making that comment with a school district,

17 again, the school district in York does not have approved

18 career and technical education programs, so the reference

19 to work release -- and I ’m sure outside of this room

20 probably no one understands it but me and a couple of

21 people at PDE. So work release is actually when a student

22 has completed his or her academic graduation requirements

23 and they can be released from school to go to work. It’s

24 not part of the educational program. I guess I would need

25 further detail and have a conversation. 43

1 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Yes, absolutely.

2 Appreciate that.

3 Representative Harkins.

4 DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HARKINS: Two questions, and

5 just to kind of extend on that, when I was in high school

6 in the technical trades, it was morning for academics and

7 afternoon for trade, and then your senior year you went out

8 on co-op in the afternoon. I don’t know if that still is

9 in effect.

10 But there is a disconnect with the employers. I

11 feel that a lot of them in my district -- I have the GE

12 locomotive plant -- a lot of them don’t understand or don’t

13 have the wherewithal with some of the programs that are out

14 there. I know w e ’re always looking for electricians and

15 welders. That just seems to be something that’s always on

16 the front burner.

17 But also the remedial ed that you had discussed,

18 how do we overcome that? I have twin sons that are 21

19 years old. They went to Cathedral Prep. One is a junior

20 at Cornell doing very well; the other one is trying to find

21 himself after a year of college but he’s now at a point

22 where he wants to look at this or that, has the aptitude

23 but doesn’t know which direction to go, kind of got thrown

24 back into the trades in that regard.

25 But it just seems like we had a good program 44

1 going in Erie through the '70s and the '80s. It was

2 dissolved when, as somebody said, our parents wanted kids

3 to go to academic college. And I think nationwide we

4 encountered that. Now, everybody is realizing we need

5 plumbers, we need carpenters, electricians, welders. We

6 just don't know how we get back to that, how to make it a

7 cool profession again.

8 DR. BURKET: So your question started off at the

9 Keystone remediation, and that is a very difficult

10 situation because, as I talk with parents, with

11 administrators of the career and technical centers,

12 superintendents of the school districts, the school

13 districts are extremely limited in terms of when they

14 believe that they can schedule that remediation. They

15 believe they need to schedule that during the school day.

16 We talk about offering it during weekends, evening, early

17 morning so that the students are not pulled from the career

18 and technical education programs.

19 But then it's convincing parents and parents were

20 mentioned during Deputy Secretary Bosak's testimony.

21 Convincing parents that it's important to have that child

22 take the remediation during the summer or morning, evening

23 is difficult as well because everyone wants the student to

24 graduate.

25 Right now what we've done, we've engaged the CTC 45

1 community in conversation about flexible scheduling, and

2 many of the programs are still half-day, but there are a

3 few examples where -- Butler County actually does this.

4 They have a session in between the morning and the p.m.

5 sessions.

6 DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HARKINS: I ’ve seen that,

7 yes.

8 DR. BURKET: Lehigh CTI, they have a program

9 where students come in for I think it’s 90 minutes and then

10 the students go back. So it’s working right now. I think

11 I need to continue working with both the academic and CTE

12 community to figure out what are some best practices.

13 DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HARKINS: Even on the GE

14 front what’s interesting is you repair locomotives or you

15 program them. Now, they’re getting into having to teach

16 languages because many of the products are going overseas

17 so far that you have somebody that knows how to program but

18 doesn’t know how to relay that information to the

19 purchaser.

20 DR. BURKET: So the difficulty between GE and the

21 schools, is it business tries to connect with the schools

22 and the schools aren’t communicating or -­

23 DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HARKINS: I don’t think that

24 they’re aware of the opportunities that exist there -­

25 DR. BURKET: Okay. So it’s — 46

1 DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HARKINS: — and I think that

2 it’s just a great program; it just hasn’t been sold or

3 marketed as effectively as it could.

4 DR. BURKET: Okay.

5 DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HARKINS: Two great entities

6 just need to be brought together.

7 DR. BURKET: Yes, okay

8 DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HARKINS: Thank you.

9 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you.

10 Chairman Saylor.

11 REPRESENTATIVE SAYLOR: I guess the question I

12 have and I ’m hearing a lot, several things is whether our

13 Workforce Investment Boards are doing their job. I think

14 that’s a question we need to answer. With the money w e ’re

15 spending, I think we get about $1.7 million in job

16 training. A lot of people are suggesting that a lot of

17 that money’s being eaten up in overhead and that is a

18 question. When you’re spending $1.7 million -- I have

19 people that walk into my office that have looked for job

20 training, they’re out of a job and can’t find job training

21 money available to help them, and I don’t know why. To me,

22 if you’re out of a job, there should be some program out

23 there to help you.

24 So I ask you to take a look at the Workforce

25 Investment Boards, whether w e ’re holding them to a certain 47

1 standard, how much are we spending, is there a better way

2 that States have done to do this?

3 The other thing I did mention to the Governor

4 when I had an opportunity and I would ask both of you to

5 take back to your Secretaries is I think the Governor

6 should ask President Obama to create a pilot program in

7 Pennsylvania where all Federal mandates on job training

8 dollars coming into Pennsylvania are given to the Governor

9 to allow him to design a program that is to Pennsylvania’s

10 needs. I think it’s a great pilot program.

11 You have a Democratic President, a Democratic

12 Governor. It’s an opportunity for us as Pennsylvania to

13 demonstrate that left to our own design for customizing

14 those dollars to Pennsylvania that we can do a better job

15 than what the Federal mandates have, again, based upon

16 people walking into my office saying there’s no money for

17 what I want to do or training and I don’t know why people

18 don’t fit in. So I think having Governor Wolf and his

19 Secretaries design programs that work for Pennsylvania

20 would go a long way to helping us in this field.

21 And I think Representative Harkins mentioned

22 about plumbers and electricians, and when you think about

23 somebody coming out of Thaddeus Stevens in Lancaster as a

24 welder making $75,000 to start, I think most kids coming

25 out of a four-year degree would like to have that same job 48

1 or at least that kind of money I should say.

2 So I just think it would be important. I think

3 that we in the State here in Pennsylvania -- it's probably

4 true in every State -- could do a better job of directing

5 the dollars where they need to go because trying to

6 micromanage job training dollars for Washington just is not

7 the best way to go. And I think it's an opportunity for

8 Governor Wolf to tailor these programs to fit jobs that are

9 really here in Pennsylvania. So I'll stop at that.

10 DR. BURKET: Okay. So in terms of the Workforce

11 Investment Board, the Department of Education has

12 regulation that requires the secondary entities to work

13 with the Workforce Investment Boards. I can't attest to

14 every WIB. I have been to the Lehigh Valley WIB numerous

15 times and there really is a great connection between that

16 Workforce Investment Board and the educational entities,

17 not just the CTE community but also each of the school

18 districts.

19 I know there was a question about careers and

20 guidance counselors. The Workforce Investment Board in

21 Lehigh actually has two career coaches, and those

22 individuals are very much loved by the students. They go

23 into the school districts and they're actually helping

24 those students to make career choices based on their

25 interest and so forth. So there are some good models out 49

1 there. Unfortunately, I don’t travel that often to the WIB

2 so I can only speak to that one.

3 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Representative

4 Longietti.

5 REPRESENTATIVE LONGIETTI: Thank you for your

6 very important testimony.

7 It’s been touched on earlier that it seems like

8 there is a need to increase the level of standing of career

9 and technical education centers. And to give you an

10 example, we were in Representative Harkins’ district with a

11 Democratic Policy Committee and something that struck me

12 was his Economic Development Director testified about what

13 they called a master’s in manufacturing, not necessarily a

14 real master’s but that was the title of their program where

15 they’re bringing in students postsecondary to the CTE to

16 get a master’s in manufacturing which is aligned to the job

17 needs in the area.

18 And one of the ancillary benefits that I saw of

19 that is that is raises the standing of the career and

20 technical education center because I know when I was in

21 high school and I talk to folks today and it seems like

22 it’s a continuing problem -- it was mentioned earlier -­

23 that the standing is this is not a place for people to come

24 and succeed. This is a place for folks who can’t make it

25 elsewhere. By bringing in postsecondary students and 50

1 having a program called master's in manufacturing, I think

2 that raises the standing and it takes away the stigma. And

3 that's just one example. But I think there's got to be

4 some kind of a marketing effort to raise the standing of

5 these centers.

6 And that's really not a question but a comment,

7 but I'm so pleased to see in your testimony and you just

8 talked about it the problem of students being withheld from

9 CTE programs due to the need for remedial education. I

10 heard the same thing recently from a superintendent and

11 some school directors, very frustrated that we've made this

12 system into a system that seems to presuppose that

13 everybody's going to a four-year college. It was a great

14 fit for me and a number of folks but it's not a great fit

15 for other students. And then we hear the labor and

16 industry folks talk about the significant percentage of

17 need. So whatever you can do to advance that effort I

18 think is critical.

19 And also, I know this isn't a hearing about the

20 Keystone exams, but to provide feedback to your colleagues

21 in the Department that here, unfortunately, is a bad

22 unintended consequence of all of this, that now we're

23 pulling kids out of career and technical ed.

24 I do have one question, and that is -- if you

25 want to react to any of that, that's fine -- you mentioned 51

1 a number of models in different areas, which is so

2 important. I guess the question is how do we get that

3 information out to folks in the field to say, hey, here’s a

4 good model that you might want to take a look at? How do

5 we connect those up? So in my area maybe they’re not using

6 that model and it could benefit from it. What are your

7 thoughts on that?

8 DR. BURKET: So that’s a good question. Before I

9 get there, though, let me go back to increased level of

10 standing. You have a lot of data attached to my testimony,

11 and I want to say I ’m very proud of the CTE community for

12 the changes that they have engaged in over the past few

13 years. And hopefully when they’re up here testifying, they

14 can address how they are changing at the local level the

15 standing of the CTCs within that community. There has been

16 a lot of change going on.

17 In regard to the models, again, with our

18 partnerships, the Pennsylvania School Boards Association

19 had a publication solely on career and technical education.

20 That was very well-received and that helped to relay the

21 best practices in a number of areas to all school districts

22 across the State. Working closely with PACTA, the

23 Pennsylvania Association for Career and Technical

24 Administrators, they have two conferences and a number of

25 workshops throughout the year where they bring in the 52

1 individuals who of course are doing great things at their

2 schools.

3 At the State level we work with a consultant to

4 actually gather these best practices and to develop

5 booklets, guidelines that we place on our website. And of

6 course we go out with PennLink and say here are these

7 resources; you may find them to be of use. Those are some

8 ways that w e ’re doing that.

9 We’re working with York, the Harrisburg Area

10 Community College. I think it’s called TechLink. I know

11 we support that. And again, maybe York can highlight some

12 of the things that are happening there with that.

13 REPRESENTATIVE LONGIETTI: Last question,

14 Chairman Roebuck often mentions this and I don’t know if

15 you can shed any light, but he talks about when he was in

16 middle school -- it was a similar model when I was middle

17 school -- you got exposed to lots of different things. You

18 had metal shop, you had wood shop, you had drafting. You

19 had all these career exposures. I hated all those but some

20 kids really enjoy those and found this is where my aptitude

21 and interest is. Do you know if that’s happening much

22 anymore?

23 DR. BURKET: So in the middle school actually

24 again Chapter 4 of the State Board of Education’s

25 regulation requires that family consumer science and 53

1 technology education is offered at each of the districts,

2 and it can be offered either as a standalone course or it

3 can be integrated. What we have found over the past number

4 of years is that a number of districts have laid off the

5 family consumer science instructors and the technology

6 education instructors and integrated that content into

7 other courses.

8 I don’t know the extent of that because that’s in

9 a different area. I just have seen email conversations

10 where they’re fighting to retain the technology ed and

11 family consumer science programs as standalone programs.

12 So I would say that’s somewhat decreasing.

13 REPRESENTATIVE LONGIETTI: Thank you very much.

14 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you,

15 Representative.

16 Representative Tobash:

17 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Thank you. And I ’ll

18 reiterate, it’s not a hearing on Keystone Exams but that

19 question comes up, you’ve got a small section in your

20 testimony on the fact that w e ’re realizing some impediment

21 to getting students into CTCs as a result of our

22 standardized testing model that w e ’ve got right now. So

23 w e ’ve got a bill in this Committee that’s working on that,

24 the Education Committee, and I think it’s important work,

25 and I ’m happy to hear that you’re interested in looking at 54

1 best practices within our school districts to make sure the

2 remediation is proper, but I ’m not so sure that we don’t

3 have to change the regulation, the rules to make sure that

4 we don’t continue to have it as an impediment.

5 Representative Longietti mentioned the fact that

6 he didn’t like metal and wood shop. I got to tell you, I

7 liked wood shop. I was just at my mother’s home over the

8 weekend and she’s got a bench that I made in wood shop. I

9 was happy to see that she still had the bench. I know that

10 she doesn’t have the grades from my biology Keystone exam

11 there.

12 But we are working on this and I think it’s

13 really important because so many of the things that we talk

14 about here gets us back to this point that our standardized

15 testing model I think is not taking many students in the

16 right direction. In fact, I visited a school board meeting

17 the other evening and there were a number of parents that

18 got up and they spoke and they were talking about their

19 desire to have their ninth grade students able to enter our

20 CTC in Schuylkill County, which that school district

21 currently did not allow ninth graders to go into the school

22 but they wanted them there. And the chief complaint from

23 the superintendent was Keystone exams and Keystone exam

24 remediation.

25 So it is a problem and it’s certainly not putting 55

1 us, our employers in the Commonwealth in a position that

2 they need to be in, and that's filling positions for a

3 workforce that is aging with a strong need for technical

4 proficiency, and we look forward again to working with your

5 department. We've had many conversations right now with

6 the Secretary and I think that we need to get the law and

7 the regulation right so that you can do the work that you

8 need to get done to make sure that it's not an impediment

9 to a great career path.

10 So thank you.

11 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Do you want to respond

12 to that at all?

13 DR. BURKET: No. That was good.

14 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Representative Lewis.

15 REPRESENTATIVE LEWIS: I am concerned. We have

16 one of the larger votech schools in Chester County -- I'm

17 from Chester County -- the Chester County Intermediate Unit

18 #24, and their program is thriving. My concern is the cost

19 to the local school districts when they extract students

20 from the local school districts to attend the vocational

21 technical school and if there's a possibility of any

22 financial relief to those districts, cost-per-student that

23 does attend the technical school, and also the time

24 allotted to each school because they do extract from maybe

25 five or six different high schools on an average of about 56

1 three hours per day because there's a transportation issue,

2 and also core subject and academia when they go back to the

3 schools that they can't get at the technical school.

4 Is there any possible adjustment financially to

5 the strapped school districts with the educational funding

6 and do you propose to help alleviate that or is that in the

7 future to get some of these students there? Because now

8 they're only selecting students' GPA, and, as

9 Representative Tobash mentioned, the Keystone exams, we

10 hear them all over the place, that they are interfering.

11 DR. BURKET: Okay.

12 REPRESENTATIVE LEWIS: Thank you.

13 DR. BURKET: All right. So the tuition costs,

14 the tuition is determined by each of the school districts.

15 And I know PACTA and the directors of the CTCs will be

16 coming forward. They understand, again, the details better

17 than I do of how that tuition is determined.

18 The Department of course sits on the Basic

19 Education Funding Commission and I know they are examining

20 how that formula is going to be calculated so I think there

21 will be something -- I know that's part of that discussion,

22 funding of career and technical education. So I'm assuming

23 that something in the future will be happening with that.

24 In regard to the time allotted to each school, so

25 there is a regulation that does require that career and 57

1 technical education meet given technical instructional

2 hours. For example, a three-year program is 1,080

3 technical instructional hours. How a school delivers that

4 over that three-year period is up to that school, so there

5 would be some flexibility.

6 The program at Chester, without looking at the

7 detail, three-hour day, I mean they may be able to cut back

8 on that and still meet the instructional hour requirement

9 but I would have to look at that in more detail and talk

10 with that director.

11 And then in regard to the transportation cost,

12 again, I can’t address the details of that. I ’m not sure

13 how that works or how it’s reimbursed, the transportation.

14 REPRESENTATIVE LEWIS: Thank you.

15 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you.

16 And I believe that is it on questions. Thank you

17 very much for your testimony.

18 Next up, we have Department of Agriculture,

19 Hannah Smith-Brubaker, Deputy Secretary for Market

20 Development.

21 I would also like to recognize two FFA students

22 in the crowd. Why don’t you stand up and say hi. Welcome.

23 What are your names?

24 MR. RICE: I ’m Tony Rice from the Midwest High

25 School. 58

1 MS. MARATAY: Sonata Maratay [ph] from the Athens

2 Area High School.

3 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Welcome. We appreciate

4 you coming out today.

5 Feel free to start.

6 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: Thank you.

7 Good morning, Chairmen Grove and Harkins,

8 Chairman Saylor, distinguished Members of the Select

9 Subcommittee.

10 I come before you today not only as Deputy

11 Secretary of Agriculture with the Department but as a

12 farmer. When I go home at night, it’s to our farm. We

13 have an organic produce and pasture poultry farm in a rural

14 community that markets to urban restaurants. Every year,

15 we employ up to 10 young people who are coming to us

16 anywhere from being a high school student to master’s

17 level, and of course preparing our own children for a

18 technology-based future. So thank you very much for this

19 opportunity and thank you for allowing agriculture to have

20 a place at the table in this discussion.

21 The Department of Agriculture looks forward to

22 playing an integral role as you continue to explore

23 existing and needed science, technology, engineering, and

24 mathematics components of the educational curriculum,

25 vocational technical programs, and career pathways to meet 59

1 the needs of employers and workers now and in the future.

2 We are the agency of State Government that serves

3 Pennsylvania 58,000 farm families, the industry of

4 agriculture, which is a leading economic enterprise for our

5 Commonwealth, and the 12.7 million citizens who count on us

6 to grow their food. That food is produced with safety in

7 mind from the Department’s perspective. That’s a very

8 important piece in this discussion.

9 And USDA estimates that production agriculture

10 and agribusiness in Pennsylvania contributes nearly $75

11 billion to the Pennsylvania economy. Add to that one of

12 our largest industries, hardwoods and forest products, the

13 equine industry in its totality, and the food processing

14 industry, and the value of that agriculture quickly rises

15 far beyond $75 billion.

16 The agriculture and food industry is a business

17 which needs both financial and human capital. Over many

18 years, we and our industry partners have done a great job

19 in securing and investing financial capital to build an

20 agriculture and food infrastructure that is a hub of

21 economic activity not only in Pennsylvania but also in the

22 mid-Atlantic region.

23 The Commonwealth has made significant public

24 investments in agriculture such as the preservation of over

25 500,000 acres of farmland. The private sector invests in 60

1 the business agriculture and food in Pennsylvania because

2 of its rich tradition, its wealth of knowledge, its

3 accessibility to markets, and its skilled and able

4 workforce. The result is a multibillion-dollar enterprise

5 that is a major economic driver for our Commonwealth, in

6 addition to our State being a leading international

7 exporter of products and services.

8 To remain competitive in the global marketplace,

9 the agriculture and food industry in Pennsylvania must

10 address a number of human capital issues that threaten to

11 become economic develop issues if not resolved. Without a

12 doubt, companies that cannot resolve these issues relating

13 to a substantial talent pipeline here will move production

14 facilities to other areas around the country, and frankly,

15 around the world that can supply skilled workers.

16 In light of demographic and technology trends

17 that will impact the U.S. workforce in the next 10 to 20

18 years, particularly as the baby boom generation changes its

19 relationship to work and the constant changes in

20 technology, the human capital pipeline in all industries

21 will be severely impacted. Companies will not only run out

22 of skilled people to operate technology, but there will be

23 a general labor shortage of workers needed to complete

24 basic tasks. And I ’m sure you’re hearing this across all

25 industries. 61

1 There is and will be a critical shortage of

2 workers and skills in agriculture. Many companies tell us

3 that they anticipate losing 40 to 50 percent of their

4 supervisory-level employees and their technical workforce

5 in the next 5 to 10 years.

6 According to a report generated by the Economic

7 Modeling Specialists International, in the top 20

8 agriculture and food occupations statewide, there are a

9 total anticipated of 191,350 agriculture-related openings

10 in the next 10 years. Those include material handlers,

11 clerks, truck drivers, sales representatives, bakers,

12 butchers, and meat packers. For farmers, farm laborers,

13 veterinarians, and veterinary technicians, that number is

14 over 8,700 openings in agriculture in Pennsylvania alone.

15 Technology is changing virtually every job.

16 Farmers these days are not only agronomists, human resource

17 managers, equipment operators, and bookkeepers, they are

18 also applied engineers, biology technologists, and GPS

19 programmers. They are supported by a team of technical

20 experts that includes veterinarians, environmental

21 planners, feed experts, genetic technicians, business

22 consultants, and many others. Next to the production of

23 food, technology is often the common denominator in farming

24 these days, as well as in the remainder of agriculture and

25 food industry. 62

1 Addressing these issues will require us to think

2 more comprehensively to develop options with career

3 pathways to bring a larger number of people into the

4 pipelines that lead to technical jobs in the agriculture

5 and food industry. First, we need to find the traditional

6 candidates who are actually coming from family farms to

7 pursue agriculture and food-related careers and to stay in

8 Pennsylvania. This means keeping career and technical

9 education financially accessible and offering the right

10 curricular offerings so that candidates do not feel like

11 they have to go out of State to get the technical training

12 that they need.

13 Second, encouraging persons with technical skills

14 from other pathways to look at agriculture as a career

15 pathway is another option for finding new sources of

16 talent, although we will acknowledge those industries are

17 strapped as well for this talent. In technological fields,

18 there is a great deal of skill transferability from

19 occupation to occupation. The skills of an agriculture

20 equipment repairer are very similar to a mechatronics

21 technician for manufacturing, an automotive repair person

22 from automotive services, or a process technician from the

23 oil and gas industry. This situation offers an opportunity

24 to find new talent for agriculture.

25 Third, there may be ways to firm up new options 63

1 that connect related pathways from fields that are abundant

2 with professionals such as lawyers to help transition farms

3 from one generation to another. W e ’re in dire need of

4 lawyers who are informed in this area.

5 Fourth and finally, we know that w e ’ll be looking

6 for new candidates such as veterans, immigrants, and young

7 people who are interested in agriculture but have no prior

8 background to fill jobs in the agriculture and food

9 industry. Each of these groups will bring new challenges

10 that career and technology education will need to address.

11 Fortunately, w e ’re not starting from scratch. As

12 we begin to think about the needs of agriculture and what

13 will be required of the education system to meet those

14 needs, we have already evaluated our strengths, our

15 weaknesses, our opportunities, and the threats that lie

16 there. A prominent strength clearly is STEM. It’s our 21

17 century skill education. Agricultural education is

18 inherently filled with practical knowledge and skills to

19 foster career- and college-ready students.

20 The Lancaster-Lebanon IU 13 is developing

21 superior leadership skills within the next generation of

22 agriculturalists in a unique and innovative way. Each

23 summer, secondary math, science, and technology education

24 teachers spend an intensive two-week period exploring

25 content through the theme of Pennsylvania agriculture 64

1 taking advantage of the region’s rich history, resources

2 and farming, engineering, and related industries. Content

3 areas such as agricultural systems, energy conservation,

4 geometry, measurement, and data analysis were chosen as

5 part of a comprehensive regional needs assessment.

6 Agriculture is then used as a vehicle to teach science,

7 technology, engineering, and math to students during the

8 school year.

9 And if I can step off script just for a second,

10 again, with our own children on our farm, they learn

11 science through plant biology. They learn math through

12 field prep. They are learning social media skills because

13 we need them to market our farm. That kind of hands-on

14 practical knowledge, if I can get a young adult on my farm

15 that has that sort of real-life experience, it makes all

16 the difference in their success on our farm.

17 Many schools are engaged in public-private

18 partnerships such as the Bedford County Technical Center,

19 which has a program that combines agriscience and

20 biotechnology in an experiential learning-based curriculum.

21 The course introduces students to different techniques used

22 in biotechnology through the use of hands-on laboratory

23 training. The length of the course is one to three years

24 depending on the student’s interests and their goals. And

25 the program maintains an Articulation Agreement with the 65

1 Allegheny College of Maryland.

2 Urban-based agricultural education is also

3 thriving. Philadelphia is home to the Walter Biddle Saul

4 High School of Agricultural Sciences, one of the largest

5 agricultural schools in our nation. Here, students are

6 provided hands-on agricultural education to students in

7 grades 9 through 12 in areas of food processing, animal

8 science, applied horticulture, and natural resources

9 management.

10 Students here at Harrisburg City Schools work in

11 aquaponics labs made possible by the Aggreko company. The

12 project allows students to do everything from grow lemon

13 basil to raising tilapia fish. The program teaches science

14 principles through hands-on experience and the aquaponics

15 system connects students to the business world. And these

16 students are selling their food to local restaurants. So

17 think of everything they're learning about that food chain

18 as they do that. And that's 10 minutes from here so I'd

19 highly recommend that you go and see what they're up to.

20 They also, through the sales of the basil and the fish, use

21 that money to generate the funds to buy replacement plants

22 and fish.

23 Agriculture education programs across the

24 Commonwealth report an uptick in the number of students who

25 are enrolling because of their interest in the science of 66

1 agriculture but who do not come from farm families. Most

2 of the young people coming to our farm are coming from an

3 urban environment. Each of these students is a good

4 candidate for a career in the agriculture and food

5 industry.

6 There are of course weaknesses. There is a lack

7 of K through 12 agricultural education standards and a

8 broader vision for lifelong agricultural education. There

9 exists no approved minimum academic standards for

10 agricultural education in Pennsylvania. Therefore, the

11 content varies widely across programs and it’s very

12 challenging to prepare teacher candidates to fill positions

13 in Pennsylvania with no common content.

14 This situation is a symptom of a much broader

15 problem related to the lack of vision for agriculture

16 education for a lifetime. We need to work together to

17 engage agriculture and food practitioners from K through 12

18 to postsecondary to continuing education and develop a

19 process that is truly driven by the needs of business. The

20 Department of Agriculture looks forward to collaborating

21 with the Department of Education on developing a set of

22 education standards for agriculture in Pennsylvania.

23 There are other many promising opportunities

24 having to do with industry partnerships. One of the bright

25 spots in providing training and education for people in 67

1 agriculture and food industry in the Commonwealth has been

2 two industry partnerships: one run by the Lancaster County

3 Agriculture Council, and another operated by the Chester

4 County Economic Development Council. The Lancaster program

5 has been a partnership with the Center for Dairy

6 Excellence, the Penn State Dairy Alliance, and the

7 Professional Dairy Managers of Pennsylvania, and has

8 focused on up-skilling the incumbent workforce in the diary

9 industry across the Commonwealth.

10 The Chester County program has had a more local

11 focus on the food system and we know all throughout Chester

12 County that emphasis on local foods and local economy is a

13 really important part of this picture today.

14 PDA looks forward to collaborating with the

15 Department of Labor and Industry and advocating for those

16 partnerships and others that may be needed to address the

17 continuing education needs of workers in the agriculture

18 and food industry. And I ’ll just mention that when we met

19 with the Department of Labor last week, I mentioned it does

20 mean something that typically when you see labor data it

21 says nonfarm.

22 Finally, what is perhaps our greatest threat, and

23 that is something I’ve heard echoed everywhere today, the

24 public perception not only of technical education but add

25 into that technical education in the field of agriculture. 68

1 That perception and lack of recognition is a huge

2 impediment to our being able to move forward, and frankly,

3 none of us can argue that w e ’ve got to have people who are

4 growing food for us.

5 For the record, formal school-based agriculture

6 education exists in less than 1/3 of local education

7 agencies within Pennsylvania; 12,000 students are enrolled

8 in agricultural education, and I would say only 12,000.

9 Many believe that traditional agricultural production is

10 all that is taught in formal school-based agricultural

11 education. While this is true in certain programs, many

12 reach far beyond the scope of traditional agricultural

13 production. Family misconceptions, just as we heard about

14 technical education, exist about agricultural and natural

15 resources careers, and this often inhibits enrollment in

16 these fields.

17 The public perception of agriculture-related

18 careers as being solely production-based has discouraged

19 many high school students that lack a direct connection to

20 agriculture from pursuing science-based career. That said,

21 it’s vital that we support on-farm rural and urban training

22 programs for those who truly do want to grow our food, our

23 future food-growers, farmers.

24 Creating and implementing programs such as the

25 IU 13 that enhances the teaching of agricultural and 69

1 related sciences within STEM throughout the education

2 system helps alleviate this threat. Additionally,

3 expanding youth leadership development programs such as FFA

4 and 4-H is critical for ensuring that the next generation

5 is sufficiently qualified to be leaders in their field of

6 expertise.

7 In closing, we have a great challenge ahead of us

8 as we think about getting many more people onto the career

9 pathways that lead to technical jobs needed in the

10 agriculture and food industry. We need a shared and

11 demand-driven vision of where we are going. We need to be

12 realistic about the resources we have in career and

13 technical education and the gaps that exist, which are

14 barriers to our goals. We need to develop new

15 collaborations between industry, government, and education

16 to address the barriers to develop a plan of action.

17 Finally, we will need to be innovative as we

18 bring the solutions for our talent issues to a scale that

19 will allow Pennsylvania companies to continue to be leaders

20 in the global economy. The Pennsylvania Department of

21 Agriculture shares this vision and intends to be a partner

22 in making it happen. So thank you very much for your time

23 today.

24 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you very much,

25 some very important testimony. 70

1 I have a unique district where my district starts

2 in suburbia and goes out to farmland, so we see the

3 connection between growing the crops and supplying that

4 food system into our suburban areas, into the more urban

5 areas.

6 I want to focus in on academic standards. Do you

7 know what States provide academic standards specifically

8 for agricultural education, and are there maybe best-

9 practices, so to speak, standards for those?

10 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: I don’t have the information

11 right in front of me and I will be happy to get that to

12 you. I will say that Pennsylvania did have that at one

13 point and there was a lot of effort put into developing a

14 system. And as many things happen, it stopped being funded

15 over the years, so, yes.

16 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Okay. And do we

17 currently offer any teacher professional development

18 programs to get teachers specifically out into the

19 agricultural community to see how agriculture can provide

20 teaching for their curriculum and standards within the

21 classroom?

22 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: Most of that’s informal.

23 The IU 13 program is a very good one. It’s really the only

24 formal one that I ’m aware of in the State.

25 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Representative 71

1 Phillips-Hill.

2 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS-HILL: Secretary Smith-

3 Brubaker, thank you for being here. I would like to follow

4 up on what Representative Grove asked.

5 I also have the great fortune of representing a

6 district that's very suburban, then gets very rural very

7 quickly. And we actually have one school district that has

8 a phenomenal FFA program and agricultural education in

9 their school.

10 When you spoke about the weakness in that lack of

11 K to 12 agricultural education standards, you also said

12 that you were looking forward to collaborating with PDE on

13 developing a set of standards. Is that something that's in

14 the works? Are you there or is that something that you're

15 just sort of saying in a speculative fashion?

16 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: We have gotten together at

17 the table. We've expressed that from a workforce

18 perspective it's imperative that something be developed.

19 There's not been anything formally begun at this point,

20 although much of the groundwork that was laid a number of

21 years ago I feel could be updated. Nothing formal has

22 happened with the Department yet.

23 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS-HILL: And when you say

24 that these are standards, they're optional; they're not

25 mandatory upon school districts. So school districts can 72

1 use them as a guide to help develop their own standards?

2 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: Yes. Yes.

3 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS-HILL: Okay.

4 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: And in many ways just,

5 again, is happening with IU 13 is the opportunity to learn

6 science and math through the lens of agriculture.

7 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS-HILL: Thank you very

8 much.

9 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Representative Saylor.

10 REPRESENTATIVE SAYLOR: Madam Secretary, thank

11 you for being here today.

12 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: Absolutely.

13 REPRESENTATIVE SAYLOR: Agriculture is very near

14 and dear to my heart since I grew up on a farm in York

15 County.

16 Have we at the Department partnered with grocery

17 stores across the Commonwealth in promoting agriculture? I

18 mean I know we have the logo that’s on some of our food

19 that’s produced here in Pennsylvania, but I think, too,

20 today that, you know, I remember years ago when I first

21 came to the Legislature one of the TV stations here in

22 Harrisburg did like a question when people came out of the

23 grocery store and they said like there’s a drought in

24 Florida and a drought in California that’s going to affect

25 prices; how do you see it affecting your family budget? 73

1 And people said well, it doesn’t affect my family budget

2 because I buy mine here at the grocery store and not at a

3 farmers market, which was a rather interesting comment.

4 So I guess the question is I think adults today,

5 as I ’ve talked about in other education areas, still are

6 not aware of what’s going on in agriculture and how things

7 in the world affect agriculture. I ’m really concerned that

8 as we move forward -- w e ’ve done a good job in Pennsylvania

9 preserving farmland but I don’t think w e ’ve done a very

10 good job not just in Pennsylvania, maybe in the country, in

11 preserving farmers. And that scares me because, as we

12 know, without farmers, preserving farmland doesn’t do a

13 whole lot of good.

14 So what I ’d like to see is maybe if the

15 Department could work with the grocery stores here in

16 Pennsylvania to develop a program where they have a week at

17 grocery store, all the grocery stores do, so kind of a

18 promotion thing not just on Pennsylvania products but just

19 really what agriculture is about -­

20 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: Right.

21 REPRESENTATIVE SAYLOR: -- and farmers and so on

22 and so forth.

23 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: Right.

24 REPRESENTATIVE SAYLOR: That could be very

25 positive. We go to certain places you can go shopping in 74

1 today they give you little tidbits to encourage you to come

2 into their store, food-tasting -- and I won’t mention any

3 of those markets not because I ’m against them; it’s just

4 I ’m not going to give free advertising here -- but things

5 like that that would encourage as people walk into the

6 grocery store every week or a certain week of the year to

7 really educate the consumers about farming in particular in

8 any fun way that you can do it.

9 I know a lot of fourth grade kids and third grade

10 kids today with teachers who’ve gone through the Penn State

11 program -- I forget what it’s called -- but it has to do

12 with training teachers -- Mecee [ph] is back there nodding

13 her head -- is that the kids just get so excited about

14 agriculture, seeing a seed grow into a plant. Our FFA

15 programs and our 4-H programs are outstanding. I think

16 more schools really should have them. And I know it’s

17 sometimes about the dollars but it would be good to see us

18 trying to do a little bit better job in Pennsylvania since

19 agriculture is our number one in the State.

20 The Department does a great job with the dollars

21 it has and I know it seems to always be the one department

22 that seems to get cut in our State budget. It’s my hope

23 that w e ’ll see some more money spent in agriculture.

24 But thank you today for your testimony.

25 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: Absolutely. May I make a 75

1 comment?

2 I mean certainly through our PA Preferred Program

3 we’re trying to get much better at helping the consumer see

4 the connection between the farmer and the plate, and large

5 grocery stores are really responding through that program

6 to making that a tighter message.

7 I couldn’t agree more that we need people who are

8 actually farming. When I came on board, one of the first

9 things I expressed was w e ’ve spent so much time trying to

10 make agriculture attractive to young people by sort of

11 getting further and further away or down the stream as far

12 as, well, this is related to agriculture that somehow we

13 forgot to emphasize that farming is a honorable career

14 path, and so I hope we don’t forget that message.

15 And lastly, I ’ll say I had the great fortune to

16 bring to the table last month the National Young Farmers

17 Coalition, the Vermont Land Trust, Delaware Young Farmers

18 with our Farmland Preservation Program to talk about not

19 only when we’re preserving farms and entering into that

20 covenant to keep farmland in active engagement with growing

21 food but how do we make this a hospitable environment for

22 young farmers around land access issues, issues having to

23 do with having to pay off their college loans, and all

24 sorts of ways w e ’re working as a department, how do we make

25 this a hospitable environment for young farmers. 76

1 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you.

2 Representative Lewis.

3 REPRESENTATIVE LEWIS: Thank you, Madam

4 Secretary.

5 You mentioned aquaponics -­

6 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: Yes.

7 REPRESENTATIVE LEWIS: -- and the possibility of

8 including that in the CTCs and helping our young people

9 become accustomed to this type of growth in this new age of

10 farming, I know we've tried that in Chester County and

11 right now Cheyney University -­

12 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: Yes.

13 REPRESENTATIVE LEWIS: — has a very large

14 aquaponics plan and it's growing -­

15 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: Yes.

16 REPRESENTATIVE LEWIS: -- and it's filtering

17 over. Do you see that viable to including that in some of

18 the local technical high schools?

19 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: Absolutely. The wonderful

20 thing about it is it can be done almost year-round, it

21 doesn't require a lot of land, and the marketing potentials

22 are just phenomenal today.

23 I will take the opportunity to mention the 100th

24 farm show that will be happening next January and we will

25 have students there demonstrating this Harrisburg 77

1 aquaponics system. And I agree; Cheyney University, again,

2 if anybody ever wants to visit an aquaponics leader, they

3 really should go observe Cheyney University’s program.

4 That’s what we need to be responding to. That’s the future

5 market, particularly in urban environments. And kids as

6 young as kindergarten can be involved in that.

7 REPRESENTATIVE LEWIS: Thank you very much.

8 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you. Appreciate

9 the testimony and keep up doing the fine job that you’re

10 doing both as a farmer and as the Deputy Secretary of our

11 Department of Agriculture. Thank you very much.

12 MS. SMITH-BRUBAKER: Thank you.

13 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Next testifier is

14 Pennsylvania Association of Technical Administrators, and

15 we have a great panel: Thomas Allen, President of PACTA,

16 the Administrative Director of the Eastern Center for Arts

17 and Technology; Walter Slauch -- did I say that right?

18 MR. SLAUCH: That was close enough.

19 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: All right. I

20 apologize. Vice President of PACTA, Administrative

21 Director of Center Montco Technical High School; David

22 Thomas, the Administrative Director for the awesome York

23 County School of Technology; and Jacqueline Cullen,

24 Executive Director of PACTA.

25 MS. CULLEN: You’re not going to say the awesome 78

1 Jackie Cullen? Come on.

2 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Awesome. I take care

3 of my home area.

4 MS. CULLEN: Okay.

5 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: But feel free to go

6 ahead.

7 MS. CULLEN: I ’m going to present our testimony

8 but everyone is going to respond to questions.

9 PACTA’s membership is comprised of the

10 administrative staff of career and technical schools, as

11 well as the career and technical directors of school

12 districts with large career and technical education

13 programs. Our mission is to promote excellence in career

14 and technical education through leadership, advocacy, and

15 service.

16 We believe that CTE is an integral part of the

17 State system of economic and workforce development. We

18 believe it’s an integral part of Pennsylvania public

19 education system, which serves both secondary and adult

20 students. It must serve the needs of business and industry

21 by delivering programs which meet national skill standards

22 and other recognized credentials, and we believe that all

23 Pennsylvania citizens have the right to quality,

24 affordable, and accessible career and technical education.

25 There are a number of challenges facing career 79

1 and technical schools which are impacting their ability to

2 carry out their missions today. You've heard about some of

3 those challenges earlier. We have addressed those

4 challenges in detail in our written testimony. In the

5 interest of time, we will focus today in our oral testimony

6 on our recommendations to meet those challenges. The

7 rationale for each recommendation is detailed in our

8 written testimony.

9 The quality of career and technical education and

10 its ability to support Pennsylvania workforce and economic

11 development systems has been compromised because of current

12 economic trends and the cost of career and technical

13 education. The method of funding career and technical

14 education in Pennsylvania places approximately 85 percent

15 of cost on school districts, and the lack of adequate

16 career and technical education subsidy has caused school

17 districts to reduce enrollments at area career and

18 technology centers. The current level of subsidy for CTE

19 has become a disincentive to allowing students to enroll in

20 career and technical education.

21 We recently testified before the Basic Ed Funding

22 Commission and made the following recommendation, and I

23 will repeat it here today. And it's covered in great

24 detail in our written testimony. We believe that we need

25 to increase the amount of basic education subsidy by $4,000 80

1 for every student who is enrolled at an area CTC. That

2 would address the excess cost experienced by member school

3 districts. Providing $4,000 subsidy directly to the school

4 district would incentivize support for CTC enrollments and

5 would increase the capacity for CTC enrollments and

6 decrease the cost per student in the budget.

7 In addition, increasing subsidy would result in

8 higher CTE program quality and a greater number of

9 graduates would be able to sustain economic growth in

10 Pennsylvania. Economic growth results in a higher standard

11 of living, which produces a greater tax base for State and

12 local school districts.

13 Career and technical centers are recognized by

14 business and industry as a vital component of workforce and

15 economic development in Pennsylvania. CTCs’ ability to

16 enhance current program components and open new programs

17 essential to meet workforce needs is greatly restricted by

18 the lack of adequate State funding for instructional

19 equipment.

20 Our second recommendation is we recommend

21 increasing the amount of money available and the number of

22 PDE competitive equipment grants. Last year I believe

23 there was $1.6 million available for competitive grants.

24 That has decreased over time from $4 million. It allows

25 schools to compete to purchase larger pieces of equipment 81

1 because those amounts are up to $50,000 each.

2 Our third recommendation, but first w e ’d like to

3 commend the Legislature for their leadership in providing

4 the supplemental funding grant for CTE instructional

5 equipment. We would hope that you would see fit to

6 including that line in the budget again this year, and if

7 funds are available, to increasing that budget line. It

8 has been very well received. It impacts every school, not

9 just CTCs but every school that has an approved CTE

10 program.

11 Our fourth recommendation, we recommend that the

12 Pennsylvania State Career and Technical Education subsidy

13 be increased to a maximum of $1,500 per student while

14 enrolled in a PDE-approved program. The current formula

15 should remain as defined in current law. The subsidy would

16 be used to enhance CTE programs without adding cost to

17 member school district budgets.

18 The next topic we want to cover is the Keystone

19 exams. I ’m sorry that Representative Tobash is not here.

20 The current Keystone assessment and testing program in

21 biology, algebra I, and literature has provided early

22 evidence that students will be and are being denied access

23 to CTE based on their results on Keystone exams. The

24 remedial requirements for students that fail a Keystone

25 exam impose additional staff and time requirements on 82

1 school districts and students. Completing modules in areas

2 needing remediation on specific tests require additional

3 time and supervision and support.

4 When students fail a Keystone exam once, they

5 will be removed from or denied enrollment in career and

6 technical school due to the remediation requirements.

7 Failing a Keystone exam for the second time will certainly

8 eliminate the opportunity for students to participate in

9 CTE, and in some cases students will elect to drop out of

10 school. The results of the early testing indicate that the

11 State Keystone testing standards and graduation

12 requirements will result in significant decreases in

13 student participation in career and technical education.

14 Many school districts have already eliminated the

15 opportunity for ninth grade students to attend CTC programs

16 in anticipation of the scheduling requirements necessary to

17 prepare students for the Keystone examinations. Ninth

18 grade is also the most critical year for at-risk students.

19 Denying them access to CTE may increase the number of high

20 school dropouts. CTE is one of the most effective dropout

21 intervention strategies, as noted by the National Center

22 for Dropout Prevention at Clemson University.

23 Our association has, from the very beginning of

24 the discussion on the Keystones, has not supported them

25 being a graduation requirement. We recognize, however, 83

1 that they are, so our fifth recommendation is we recommend

2 additional study be completed on the impact of Keystone

3 testing on CTE enrollments and that the NOCTI or other PDE-

4 approved industry credentials serve as alternative to the

5 Keystone examination requirements for CTC students.

6 Recommendation number six, with a number of other

7 people have addressed, as have some of the Representatives,

8 we need to increase the availability of career counseling

9 information and counselors for all Pennsylvania students.

10 As I said, the written testimony is 10 pages long

11 and I'll give us all a break by not reading that, but I

12 would hope you'd get a chance to look at it. It gives a

13 rationale for each of those recommendations.

14 Thank you for this opportunity to provide

15 testimony. We would be glad to respond to any questions.

16 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you very much.

17 And Representative Tobash is here again -­

18 MS. CULLEN: I'll just give him this page and he

19 can read it.

20 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: I guess I want to -­

21 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Thanks for the shout-out.

22 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Again, I want to start

23 off with discussion. How is the CTCs' interaction with our

24 Workforce Investment Boards at the local level? Is there

25 communication back and forth and could it be better? Is 84

1 there any communication at all?

2 MS. CULLEN: It could always be better. In some

3 areas it’s excellent and in some areas it’s not. I ’m

4 hoping that under the new WIO Act it will improve but some

5 areas it’s excellent and some it is not.

6 Would any of you like to comment on that?

7 MR. ALLEN: I am from Montgomery County and so is

8 Walt, and I think that we have a very good relationship

9 with our Workforce Investment Board. It has changed a lot

10 since I ’ve been -- I ’ve been at the school for about seven

11 years or so. But I think our relationship is pretty good.

12 Would you say the same, Walt?

13 MR. SLAUCH: Well, my school has the good fortune

14 of being located about 3/4 of a mile from the office of the

15 Workforce Investment Board, but yes, we work very closely

16 with them. In fact, there are administrators at my school

17 who sit on various Workforce Investment Board committees.

18 So the relationship and the communication is very good.

19 MR. THOMAS: W e ’re in a very large one, a little

20 different. Ours is York, Dauphin, Cumberland, Franklin.

21 We have a pretty good relationship. As most of you know,

22 it’s just undergone some leadership transition. The new

23 Director seems very interested in working with us, so we

24 are active. We sort of have our own little coalition that

25 was mentioned earlier by Lee Burket, TechLink, with 85

1 Harrisburg Community College where we have put together the

2 tech schools in this region, and we do a lot of things

3 together, staff development and work on projects to keep

4 our staff up-to-date. So that’s a little piece of it also.

5 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Besides the financial

6 aspects, is there anything that the State does, unintended

7 consequences of mandates, that doesn’t allow the CTCs to

8 adapt the careers they’re training students to do with new

9 technology or with new demands out there? Is there any

10 input you can give into the panel on kind of the mandate

11 aspect of that that would not allow you to shift to new job

12 careers opening up or so forth?

13 MR. ALLEN: The startup for a program for us,

14 we’re currently starting a new program so the discussions

15 around that, the costs associated with getting it off the

16 ground can be pretty extensive. So we did a study probably

17 three years ago about potential programs that we could open

18 at our school, and we came up with five programs that we

19 were going to consider starting. One of them was an

20 advanced manufacturing program; that was one of the five

21 that came up as a potential program for our school. That

22 was cost-prohibitive. There was no way that we could

23 afford to start that program without a lot of help for

24 equipment and the usual startup costs that go along with

25 that. And so we started another one of the programs that 86

1 was probably less expensive yet still just as important for

2 our local economy.

3 Those startup costs can be pretty significant and

4 I think that would be a great help getting a program

5 initially started. A lot of time and effort goes into

6 establishing whether it's going to be a viable program in

7 our area, but once we've made that decision that we should

8 move forward, those initial startup costs can sometimes, at

9 least for our school, be the breaking factor whether we

10 start the program or not.

11 MS. CULLEN: From the perspective of someone

12 who's probably worried about taxpaying citizens as much as

13 Chairman Saylor for when I go in the nursing home, the

14 Bureau of Career and Technical Education has been very

15 supportive of looking at innovative ways of doing things,

16 of reacting to what's going on in the field and providing

17 the technical assistance needed. The one thing I would

18 mention, as I mentioned earlier, I think the graduation

19 requirements of Keystone exams is causing disenrollments

20 and kids being held back from even enrolling at this point.

21 I think it has the potential to really be damaging to CTE

22 enrollments going forward.

23 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Interesting. And last

24 question here, I'm going to throw it over to Representative

25 Saylor. 87

1 REPRESENTATIVE SAYLOR: For all of you, I guess

2 the question is -- I ’ve met with Chancellor Brogan. We

3 have some problems to deal with in our State-owned

4 universities, some failures in some of the schools in

5 there. Have any of you been contacted by any of our State-

6 owned or State-related universities in working together and

7 how they can help you and how to maybe make it easier in

8 your jobs in programs that they can offer or assistance

9 they can offer you up until now if you’ve been offered?

10 And the real concern I have is that we have some of our

11 State schools and universities who are seeing very low

12 attendance now, and I’ve suggested to Chancellor Brogan so

13 I ’m interested to see if any of you have been contacted.

14 And again, I just recently brought it up with him, but in

15 the past have you been contacted by any universities or

16 schools in our State and are they private universities or

17 contacting you, so on and so forth? Just any comment from

18 any of you on that?

19 MR. ALLEN: I have not been approached by any of

20 the universities about creating a program. However, we do

21 have universities that recruit students at our school, so

22 during open house we invite everyone to come to the open

23 house and get the opportunity to talk to parents and so on.

24 We don’t have a counseling program at our school. The

25 counseling is all taken care of in their high schools. 88

1 But we do have a fair number of students that end

2 up going on to higher education, four-year degrees and two-

3 year degrees and postsecondary. It’s pretty high. I think

4 sometimes it’s surprising how many students from career and

5 technical schools do that. But recently I haven’t had

6 anybody reach out in that capacity.

7 MR. SLAUCH: Go ahead, Dave.

8 MR. THOMAS: We have a really good relationship

9 with Penn College of Tech. A lot of our students go there.

10 They’re down at the school numerous times. We also work

11 with Thaddeus Stevens back and forth. That’s a great

12 opportunity for our students to further their career

13 education. So those are a couple that we have a pretty

14 good working relationship. I wouldn’t say they’ve recently

15 reached out; it’s just been ongoing for years.

16 MR. SLAUCH: Our relationship is very much the

17 same. It really is more on a recruiting basis, schools

18 that come into our school to recruit students for their

19 programs.

20 MS. CULLEN: Let me say that at least three of

21 our schools -- you heard a program mentioned earlier that

22 is Lehigh and Berks-Reading have relationships with

23 Bloomsburg. I believe there’s also an arrangement with

24 Clarion and Venango County. So there are some instances.

25 I will say, however, I have been contacted recently by 89

1 Carol Adukaitis from the State System of Higher Ed, and

2 when I went out in the hallway a few moments ago, Sue

3 Mukherjee said we need to get together; I want to talk

4 about some ways we can help you. And Sue is from the State

5 System of Higher Ed.

6 REPRESENTATIVE SAYLOR: Well, my question to all

7 of you or to one of you, whoever wants to answer it or all

8 of you, is if you had your choice or if you could sit down

9 and write something, how can our State-owned universities,

10 I ’m going to ask that, but any of the universities, but

11 State-owned and State-related be more helpful to you in

12 getting the job done in this field? Any suggestions or

13 comments at this time? Other than just recruiting

14 students, I mean is there something else they can offer -­

15 MS. CULLEN: Well, I think one of the things,

16 because Pennsylvania being such a diverse State and having

17 a community college system that doesn’t cover the whole

18 State, but between community colleges and State-related and

19 State system schools, if some of the State system schools

20 started programs which could be articulated with CTE

21 programs because there are certain areas of the State

22 there’s really not an opportunity for a student to go on if

23 they’re in a CAD program in high school, if there’s not a

24 community college in that area, there’s not an opportunity

25 for them to go on without moving, which, quite frankly, if 90

1 you look at the data on our students, they don't like to

2 move. They stay in their home communities. So that would

3 be a way that I could envision the State system working

4 more to offer some associate degree or credential programs.

5 Working with our schools would be one way.

6 REPRESENTATIVE SAYLOR: Thank you.

7 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Representative Tobash.

8 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Thank you.

9 Thank you for your testimony.

10 I've got to tell you that this is without a doubt

11 really I think the most important hearing that's going on

12 here in the Capitol today. I think it's the only hearing

13 going on in the Capitol.

14 The testimony that you guys give is the Business-

15 Education Partnership. The work that you do is our

16 Business-Education Partnership and I commend you for that.

17 If you mentioned me, I'm sure that you mentioned

18 me because I've been pushing back on Keystone exams.

19 MS. CULLEN: Yes, that's why.

20 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Yes, and I know that

21 they're an impediment to applicable learning and I've taken

22 and I've heard so much about these exams. My daughter is

23 in eighth grade right now. She's got a month of

24 standardized testing that they are subjected to right now,

25 and it is shrinking our learning time and replacing it with 91

1 assessment time. And I just think that w e ’ve gone way

2 overboard. I ’m disappointed that w e ’ve narrowed curriculum

3 to the point that many of these programs that we talk about

4 aren’t available to every student, and they’ve got to make

5 a choice if they’re going to go into a technical field.

6 And they should all be exposed at a very young age to the

7 different opportunities that you guys have available to

8 them.

9 And when I hear the fact that you talk about many

10 of your students go on to higher education, to a two-year

11 degree or a four-year degree or a master’s or a doctorate,

12 I think that bodes well. We need to do that. I say this

13 all the time when I ’m back in the district that w e ’re going

14 to be successful when I see valedictorians graduating from

15 CTCs, and when we start to see that happen, people will

16 realize that there’s great career and job opportunities

17 available in the marketplace and they can go further. They

18 can go back to their home school and get the best science

19 and get the best math. And if that’s the career path that

20 they choose, they should absolutely be able to do that.

21 I take a look at some of these standardized

22 tests, and I ’m not against all of these exams. I think

23 that we need some level of assessment. But when I look at

24 the NOCTI exams and I open them up, it makes sense to me

25 that everybody should know some of the things that are in 92

1 those exams. I'm not so sure that the Keystone biology

2 exam can stand up to that same litmus test.

3 So I think that we have to continue to work on

4 it, and I understand your comments about the graduation

5 requirement, and I think that we have to take a look at the

6 graduation requirement but also the remediation that we're

7 asking the schools to do. So we want to get to the right

8 spot.

9 I also say that I'm tired of government telling

10 you what to do. I'd rather hear what you're going to do

11 when we take the shackles off. So if we can continue down

12 that path and give you the resources and the tools you

13 need, I'm anxious to see and hear about the good work that

14 you're going to be able to perform.

15 So at this point in time we've got a bill; we're

16 working on it. Tell us in an ideal world what can we do

17 for you? What can we do for you at this juncture to make

18 your world better as far as the work that you're doing for

19 our students?

20 MS. CULLEN: In terms specifically of the

21 Keystone exams?

22 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Well, I mean we're

23 talking about standardized testing right now for just a bit

24 and we do have a bill that we're working on but -­

25 MS. CULLEN: Right — 93

1 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: — sure, if there’s a

2 number of things that we can take off your plate to help

3 you do better work, I ’d like to know.

4 MS. CULLEN: I think that there’s nothing wrong

5 with having Keystone exams but we don’t believe that the

6 whole of a student’s K through 12 education and ability to

7 graduate should be based on three exams and in fact could

8 come down to being based on one exam if they can’t pass all

9 three exams. We believe in accountability but we don’t

10 believe that those exams should be required. It’s too much

11 right now of the testing driving the education process

12 rather than education making the decisions about what’s

13 best for kids based on what’s best for kids.

14 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Tell me about the

15 enrollment in your centers, specifically York. I ’ve heard

16 good things about the work that you’re doing in York. Are

17 you full to capacity?

18 MR. THOMAS: W e ’re full, yes. We have 1,600

19 students. We should have probably close to 1,700 next

20 year. It’s an interesting point. We could be larger but

21 w e ’ve been asked to stay at this size because the finance

22 for the districts has become a burden to send students to

23 our school. So I guess basically to save money w e ’re

24 holding our school population down.

25 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: It’s costing school 94

1 districts money, taking money out of their budgets -­

2 MR. THOMAS: Correct.

3 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: — and it’s a funding

4 problem for local school districts. So funding is also an

5 impediment for local school districts to get children into

6 CTCs?

7 MR. THOMAS: Every student that comes in our

8 school has a price on their head to the local school

9 district, and as you know, all the school districts are in

10 financial straits right now, so that additional vocational

11 allotment that Jackie mentioned would be extremely helpful

12 to our districts to send the student because we are

13 comprehensive. The students come here in ninth grade so

14 they’re here full-time.

15 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: I know we see this in our

16 local area in Schuylkill County. So there are some

17 programs that are really favored so you have to block

18 children out of some programs that are favored and then

19 you’ve got some other programs that maybe not so many empty

20 seats. I mean you have large waiting lists for your most

21 desired -­

22 MR. THOMAS: Yes, we don’t have too many empty

23 seats, but we did turn away about 400 students this year.

24 We had over 800 applications and we accepted about 450, so

25 there were numerous students that were not able to attend. 95

1 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: What do you think about

2 the prospect for those 400 kids that really wanted a

3 technical education? Where are they doing to end up?

4 MR. THOMAS: Hard to say. They would have to be

5 taking something back at their home district. W e ’ll give

6 them another chance. We do accept some tenth grade

7 students due to attrition from students moving out of the

8 district or into another State or for other reasons, but

9 basically, they’re not getting the opportunity.

10 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: You’ve been asked by your

11 school districts not to expand your enrollment and the size

12 of your programs and you’re turning away 400 kids that

13 think that they would be better served by having a

14 technical education?

15 MR. THOMAS: Yes.

16 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: All right. Thanks.

17 Thank you for your testimony.

18 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you.

19 And since we have some time left, my final

20 question, we had a roundtable in York hosted by Senator

21 Scott Wagner and Dave was kind enough to attend that.

22 There was one key point that seemed to garner some interest

23 and I had the opportunity to go visit Southwestern School

24 District. There was a local businessman that actually

25 started an after-hours welding program within the school 96

1 district as a partner. The suggestion was to allow local

2 businesses through a tax deduction to donate money to do

3 maybe the startup costs for programs and stuff, kind of

4 modeled after the EITC program. Would you say that would

5 be something that would be beneficial and something that

6 you would look at as a funding opportunity for at least

7 some startup costs between CTCs or CTEs within the

8 Commonwealth?

9 MS. CULLEN: I ’ll respond to that because we have

10 a sister 501(c)(3) organization that is an educational

11 improvement organization because until recent legislation,

12 CTCs were not mentioned as a direct recipient. And over

13 the years we have had significant contributions from

14 companies. We've had companies give $200,000 perhaps to

15 help schools with funding mainly of equipment because

16 equipment is expensive. If you want to keep your program

17 up to industry standards, it is expensive. So I think that

18 kind of program specific to career and technical education

19 would be great.

20 I think the original bill that was presented

21 talked about a 10 percent set aside for career and

22 technical education in the EITC program, but as we all

23 know, the educational improvement part of the EITC part is

24 really oversubscribed to say the least, so perhaps a

25 standalone bill that focuses specifically on career and 97

1 technical education so that it did not hurt those other

2 charitable organizations who need the money from the EITC.

3 I think it would be well received by the business community

4 and our schools.

5 We have great support from the business

6 community. It's the impediments of getting the student

7 there. We do a great job with them once we have them.

8 Business is happy with our graduates. But it's getting

9 them there and making sure we have the quality programs to

10 provide them with an education.

11 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: I appreciate that. And

12 thank you very much for your testimony. Appreciate it.

13 Thank you.

14 MS. CULLEN: Thank you.

15 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Next, we have

16 Pennsylvania School Boards Association Vicki Smith, Board

17 President, Homer Center School District; Eric Wolfgang,

18 Board President, Central York School District; and John

19 Callahan, Senior Director of Government Affairs of School

20 Boards Association.

21 Thank you very much.

22 MS. SMITH: Thank you.

23 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Good morning,

24 afternoon.

25 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Still morning. 98

1 MS. SMITH: Still morning.

2 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Still morning? All

3 right. Good morning. I appreciate you coming out, and

4 please feel free to start when -­

5 MS. SMITH: Thank you very much for having us

6 today. My name is Vicki Smith and I'm the Board President

7 of the Homer Center School District in Indiana County. I'm

8 also Chairperson of the Joint Operating Committee of the

9 Indiana County Technology Center, which is a governing body

10 for the Center.

11 With me today is Eric Wolfgang, who's the Board

12 President of Central York School District, and a former JOC

13 member of the York County School of Technology. We speak

14 to you today from our perspective as board members.

15 The Pennsylvania School Boards Association is a

16 nonprofit statewide association representing the 4,500

17 elected officials who govern the Commonwealth's public

18 school districts. PSBA is a membership-driven organization

19 that is pledged to the highest ideals of local lay

20 leadership for public schools. Our membership not only

21 includes school board members but career and technical

22 centers, as well as solicitors and supervisors.

23 Thank you for allowing us to speak with you today

24 to participate in the dialogue and to continue working with

25 us. We'd like to thank Chairman Grove and all of the 99

1 Committee for giving PSBA the opportunity to testify on

2 issues related to technical education and career readiness.

3 PSBA supports the work of the Subcommittee

4 refocus efforts to enhance career and technical education

5 programs in Pennsylvania. I ’m going to skip over the next

6 several paragraphs of our written testimony and w e ’re going

7 to talk about how career and technical centers relate to

8 our experiences.

9 My experience with the Indiana County Technology

10 Center, ICTC, began in 1999 and I have served continuously

11 since that time. When I was appointed as Homer Center’s

12 representative, to be honest at that time I knew very

13 little about educational opportunities being offered by

14 ICTC. However, I quickly realized the value of vocational

15 and career education offered by ICTC and became one of its

16 biggest supporters.

17 Our tech center is an amazing place where

18 students have the opportunity to learn marketable career-

19 enhancing skills while earning their high school diploma,

20 additional industry certifications, and, for some, college

21 credit. I found that our career and technical center also

22 provides a place where all students have the opportunity to

23 excel and truly shine.

24 I ’m going to tell you about several of those

25 students. Many of the students at ICTC are invisible in 100

1 their home districts. The opportunity to excel in their

2 career field through SkillsUSA competitions, other

3 competitions, and live work in the community give ICTC

4 students and opportunity to shine, an opportunity that

5 doesn’t exist or is too risky for them at their home

6 district.

7 The three students that produced an award-winning

8 NOCTI video that was shared at the PASA-PSBA School

9 Leadership Conference has stated that this one award has

10 changed their lives. They now believe in their skills and

11 they’ve developed self-confidence in their ability that

12 they will have success in their careers. One girl actually

13 said to our Director that she believed she would never have

14 any success in life.

15 Because of their success at ICTC, the Principal

16 at their sending school has now given them several school-

17 wide photography projects. This would never have happened

18 if it hadn’t been for their success at the tech center.

19 They are now visible to the Principal at their home school

20 and perhaps to several of the teachers and their peers as

21 well.

22 ICTC flourishes because of our affiliation with

23 industry, the support of our local school districts, our

24 program sponsors, and our dedicated, highly qualified

25 administration and staff. Our industry partners support 101

1 ICTC through their mentorship, equipment donations, supply

2 donations, and internship opportunities. The sending

3 districts support ICTC by encouraging students to explore

4 the programs offered at the center and through tuition paid

5 by the schools for our students who choose to attend.

6 The reality is that no matter how much support we

7 get from our schools and local industry, costs keep going

8 up and the technology needed for the jobs of today, as well

9 as the jobs of the future, keeps evolving. None of our

10 districts can keep up with these demands on our own. As

11 you’re all aware, State revenue for sending districts

12 averages 39.6 percent. If the State can increase this

13 figure across the board, then the home schools would not

14 have to be faced with increasing the local tax burden to

15 fund all of our schools.

16 The seven school districts of Indiana County,

17 which comprise a sending district of ICTC, have embarked on

18 an exciting new project to bring up-to-date and forward-

19 looking opportunities to our students. By working

20 together, we are doing something different and w e ’re

21 leading the way.

22 Our JOC is partner with NASA-affiliated

23 Challenger Center for Space Science Education to bring a

24 Challenger Learning Center to our campus, the first one in

25 the State of Pennsylvania. The Center will be a showcase 102

1 for the Commonwealth. The Center will service K through 8

2 students in 22 western counties with exciting space-themed

3 STEM experiences. We view Challenger as the catalyst that

4 will spark the light of enthusiasm in our younger students

5 for science, math, and technology education to ignite their

6 imaginations to all the possibilities of the future.

7 However, once that spark is lit, how do we fan

8 the flame? Where do our students go once the mission has

9 ended? Our sending districts are collaborating to create

10 STEM ICTC, a first-class STEM facility located on our

11 campus. The pathways have been determined, costs to

12 operate are being analyzed, and fundraising is underway and

13 the excitement is growing. We were fortunate to receive

14 the support of the Pennsylvania Department of Education

15 through a line item in last year’s budget and w e ’re asking

16 you for continued support of this project.

17 Research has shown that students in western

18 Pennsylvania are underserved in the areas of science and

19 math education. Challenger helps to close this gap for our

20 youngest students. STEM ICTC further closes the gap for

21 the high school students of Indiana County. In addition,

22 we are creating workforce development opportunities for

23 adults and nontraditional students in our area. The model

24 we are creating at ICTC, shared STEM education, can be done

25 across the State for similar-sized schools. 103

1 Districts across the Commonwealth in home schools

2 and CTCs are already increasing STEM influence in all the

3 curricular areas. Educators are responding to the research

4 and to what we hear from business and industry. Again, we

5 need your support to create a regional CTC that eliminates

6 redundance and duplication of services, and which can be a

7 model for other centers across the Commonwealth. Each of

8 our districts is looking at the best way to implement STEM

9 education into our curriculums. Members of the House and

10 Senate can partner with us in this endeavor.

11 Project Lead the Way, which is a program that

12 Homer Center is exploring, is a nationally recognized

13 standards-based example of a curriculum that works and that

14 is enthusiastically supported by business and industry.

15 STEM education requires investment in technology, both

16 hardware and software. You can help us with this. We

17 promise you that we can and will prepare our students with

18 the best skills necessary for successful, productive

19 futures. At the same time, we will improve our communities

20 and our economic health.

21 Thank you for inviting me here today to share my

22 story with you. I have some brochures that I would like to

23 hand out at the end on our project, and I welcome your

24 questions at the conclusion of our testimony.

25 And now I'd like to turn the remainder of the 104

1 testimony over to Mr. Wolfgang.

2 MR. WOLFGANG: Good morning. I'm Eric Wolfgang

3 and I'm the Board President of Central York School District

4 and have previously served for seven years as the JOC

5 member of the York County School of Technology.

6 I also wish to thank the Committee for the

7 opportunity to testify today.

8 I am a proud graduate of the York County School

9 of Technology during which time my technical course of

10 study at the school was their electronics program more

11 years ago than I'd like to mention. I went on to get a

12 postsecondary degree in electrical and electronics

13 engineering technology from Penn State and I can say I'm

14 still employed today in the field of electronics as a

15 Quality Assurance Manager.

16 There are 14 school districts in York County that

17 comprise the sending districts of YCST, and York Tech is

18 one of only a few comprehensive technical schools

19 throughout the State whereby they supply not only the

20 technical programs but also all academic subject areas.

21 Over the last several years, the school has

22 expanded their offerings and altered their schedule in

23 order to service part-time students from sending districts.

24 These students may want a specific technical course of

25 study but wish to remain at their home school for 105

1 everything else.

2 In addition, as a fully comprehensive high

3 school, there's a very large special education student

4 population, which requires many additional dollars to

5 support their education, as I am sure you are aware. Many

6 of these students benefit greatly from a technical

7 education, which helps them become productive members of

8 the future workforce.

9 The school currently serves, as you heard, just

10 under 1,700 students in grades 9 through 12 and also a very

11 large adult evening program.

12 Because our tech school is comprised of 14

13 different sending school districts, it's becoming

14 increasingly more challenging to meet the budgetary needs

15 of the tech school when each of our 14 districts are

16 wrestling with their own budget constraints every year.

17 York County has been one of the fastest-growing

18 areas of the State over the past decade but State funding

19 has not kept pace with this growth. We very much want to

20 increase programming and student population at the school

21 but have had to proceed more slowly than we would have

22 liked because of such a small amount of State funding that

23 goes directly to the tech school.

24 The large adult education program also helps the

25 community greatly but adds to the ongoing upkeep and 106

1 maintenance of the building. The tech school is not

2 allowed to maintain a fund balance of any significant

3 amount making it difficult to plan for normal year-to-year

4 maintenance of the facilities. When major unexpected

5 expenses do arise, the 14 school districts have to come up

6 with the necessary funds to address the concern usually

7 without any advanced budgetary planning on their own

8 budgets.

9 As a product of tech school, I have a great

10 perspective on the importance of career and technical

11 education and have remained committed to that during my 16

12 years on the school board. Looking at the issue from a

13 statewide perspective, the system that was established is

14 generally working but its capacity is based upon funding.

15 PSBA has held for many years that the State should increase

16 the amount of per-pupil State basic subsidy for CTCs so

17 that school districts do not have to bear the majority of

18 the costs.

19 Currently, approximately 5 percent of a CTCs

20 budget comes from Federal Perkins funding, 10 percent or

21 less comes from the State Career and Technical Education

22 subsidy, and the remainder, about 85 percent or more comes

23 from member school districts who pay tuition for their

24 students who enroll in the CTC.

25 Unfortunately, State funding for career and 107

1 technical education has been level funded over the past six

2 years. While we recognize that this request for an

3 increase is not easy considering our current budget

4 discussions, we believe that CTCs are vital to the

5 continuum of career training in Pennsylvania and are worth

6 the investment. This investment could be built into new

7 funding formula on a weighted basis.

8 PSBA also recognizes that the cost of equipment

9 and materials for technical education is one of the largest

10 items on their budgets, but this is also one of the key

11 components to making programs successful. The State should

12 provide a level funding of at least 50 percent or greater

13 for acquiring or updating equipment for career and

14 technical centers and should award tax credits to

15 businesses that make fiscal goods or service donations to

16 these schools.

17 I want to thank you for your time today and we

18 appreciate the opportunity to provide the testimony and we

19 look forward to any questions you may have.

20 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you both for your

21 testimony.

22 Mr. Wolfgang, let me start off with you. I

23 always enjoy coming to central York because of your

24 legislative update. I always learn something new and I

25 think central York is always on the forefront of looking 108

1 for that next thing.

2 Towards the end, Dr. Snow [ph] gave a very brief

3 overview of individualized learning, which I think central

4 York is transitioning to, and from what I ’ve been seeing

5 and hearing, other school districts are. How is that

6 individualized learning pattern -- and I think there’s been

7 a very broad discussion of career pathways -- how does that

8 fit into STEM and refocusing our students on potential for

9 careers moving forward?

10 MR. WOLFGANG: Well, we have our own STEM program

11 at the high school but what I think individualized learning

12 plans are going to allow us to do is increase the amount

13 maybe of part-time participants at the local tech school.

14 We were a major driver behind that initiative a number of

15 years ago to work with the tech school to change their

16 scheduling around a little bit so we could have some part­

17 time students attend there. And I think that through the

18 IEPs that w e ’re developing will only allow more students to

19 take advantage of that should we be able to work with the

20 tech school to have them be able to accept those students

21 in different capacities.

22 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: I think it’s a very

23 neat and exciting proposal that’s out there, definitely

24 revolutionizing the kind of standard, you know, 1940s setup

25 of school districts today so -- 109

1 MR. WOLFGANG: Despite the fact that the tech

2 school is comprehensive, there are a number of students not

3 only in our district but other districts that still want to

4 maintain some sort of semblance to their home school and

5 get their academics at the home school or be there for

6 sports, extracurriculars, things like that. So the part­

7 time opportunities would lend itself greatly to increasing

8 maybe the numbers.

9 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thanks a lot.

10 Representative Tobash, questions?

11 All right. I don't think we have any other

12 questions, but thank you so much for your testimony. And I

13 think everybody's basically hitting on the same talking

14 points throughout. So thank you very much and appreciate

15 what you do on behalf of your citizens on the school board

16 so -­

17 MR. WOLFGANG: Thank you.

18 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: — thank you very much.

19 Next testifier is James Buckheit, Executive

20 Director of the Pennsylvania Association of School

21 Administrators. Thank you so much.

22 MR. BUCKHEIT: Thank you. Good afternoon -- or

23 actually morning. You have two minutes until 12:00. I'm

24 actually early.

25 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: I noticed we're two 110

1 minutes early now -­

2 MR. BUCKHEIT: Yes, okay.

3 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: — which is unique.

4 MR. BUCKHEIT: And I will keep you on time.

5 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Yes.

6 MR. BUCKHEIT: I will not drag this out.

7 Thank you for the opportunity to provide some

8 thoughts about the issue of technical education and career

9 readiness on behalf of school administrators from across

10 the State.

11 I'd like to focus on three issues, some of which

12 you've talked about already this morning, perhaps drive a

13 little deeper. It's more observations about the larger

14 trends about things that are happening in school districts

15 and their relationships with career and technical centers.

16 But before I jump into that, I just want to

17 mention and make sure you're aware that the State Board of

18 Education has academic standards in the area of career

19 education and work that apply throughout a student's career

20 so that those standards are to guide instruction in schools

21 on the issue about the labor force, workforce preparation,

22 career opportunities all the way from elementary school up

23 until high school. So that's an important thing to know

24 about.

25 It was actually the last set of State academic 111

1 standards that the board adopted. I think it was either in

2 2006 or 2007 and probably has not been given its full

3 attention and support that it warrants in terms of support

4 and resources provided to schools in that area, so it might

5 be something that you may want to take a look at.

6 Moving on to my thoughts, you’ve already started

7 to talk about the issue and the intersection between the

8 dual accountability requirements that apply to career and

9 technical students, being held to both the State high

10 school graduation requirements, requiring them to pass the

11 Keystone exams, as well as meeting industry certification.

12 So career and technical education students have to meet

13 higher standards in fact than a traditional high school

14 graduate and that issue is starting to rear some ugly

15 consequences across the State.

16 As the Keystone exams are being administered back

17 at the home high school with the part-time CTCs and

18 students who may be interested in pursuing career and

19 technical education may be held from by their home high

20 school from enrolling in a career and technical education

21 program because the student has not demonstrated

22 proficiency on the Keystone exam.

23 And as a result, that’s likely to result in lower

24 enrollments in the career and technical education programs

25 because we sort of have this chicken/egg problem. You want 112

1 to make sure the student is proficient in reading, number

2 skills, and basic science, but unless they demonstrate

3 proficiency there, they're not going to be able to move on

4 to be proficient in their technical education skills. So

5 you need to have both, but right now, the way the system is

6 set up, it is causing a conflict largely because this we're

7 all dealing with 10th, 11th, and 12th grade students so

8 you're trying to jam all this in to this limited three-year

9 time period of when students would be enrolling in career

10 and technical education. So that's an important

11 consideration.

12 I think we all want students to graduate with the

13 skills they need to be successful in a career and in

14 postsecondary education, but right now we need to find a

15 better way to structure this process so that students can

16 be successful when they graduate and allow them to

17 graduate. So that's on the key things that I would suggest

18 that you take a look at.

19 Another sort of unintended consequence of State

20 policy is the entirely appropriate higher standards in

21 terms of background checks for child abuse, criminal

22 background checks, and employment verifications. This

23 problem has started to show itself in terms of student

24 placements as co-op education placements, internships,

25 service learning opportunities. 113

1 Any time a student leaves the school building and

2 is placed out in the community with an employer or a

3 nonprofit agency, that is now becoming a major barrier to

4 that placement to the point where I ’ve heard from our

5 members that some employers are saying if we have to meet

6 all these requirements, as you say the requirements are, we

7 may not accept students in our facility any longer. So

8 those policies are all entirely appropriate to make sure

9 students are protected, but at the same time we need to be

10 smart about how we do that.

11 And just an illustration of that situation, a

12 student who was to be placed in a hospital as a co-op

13 student, when the school district asked the Department of

14 Education who do we need to have background checks done for

15 in terms of that placement, the response was every person

16 on the floor in the hospital. Now, that’s unreasonable and

17 inappropriate, and we know that after that sort of bubbled

18 up that some clarification started to come down from the

19 Department saying, okay, just the supervisor that needs to

20 have the background check.

21 But those issues, you magnify and multiply those

22 situations towards many unknown things that we can’t even

23 estimate as being a real situation right now, those are

24 becoming barriers to putting students into real-life on-

25 the-job training situations, so another thing we need to be 114

1 smarter about in order to advance career opportunities for

2 students.

3 The other challenge that many others have already

4 testified about is the funding issue. And I think I want

5 to talk about what the consequence is because as school

6 districts have struggled and explored their budgets in very

7 fine detail, where do we spend our money, how can we save

8 money and deliver comparable services, they’re starting to

9 look at bringing back some career and technical programs to

10 their high school, particularly things like computer

11 science and programming, things that are relatively low-

12 cost.

13 So instead of sending their student to a career

14 and technical center, they may be saying w e ’re going to

15 offer that program here with our own staff and w e ’ll save

16 that cost of sending that student to the career and

17 technical center. So that is going to reduce the situation

18 of where students are enrolled in career and technical

19 centers and it’s going to hurt their capacity to be able to

20 provide enriched programs in a cost-effective way.

21 W e ’ve seen some school districts starting to

22 explore withdrawing from membership or sponsorship of a

23 career and technical center entirely and deciding that if

24 they could create some of their own programs in their home

25 school and then if they don’t offer a particular program in 115

1 home school, they would tuition that student to the career

2 and technical center reducing their overall costs. W e ’re

3 starting to see that problem multiply in some localities

4 across the State. Again, that’s a factor of the relatively

5 flat support for career and technical center funding

6 itself, as well as the struggles that school districts are

7 facing financially.

8 So those are the three primary points that I

9 wanted to bring to you today with one final suggestion for

10 the Subcommittee, and that is many of the statutory

11 provisions and regulations that govern career and technical

12 education were originally developed in the ’60s. It’s

13 likely that some of those are outdated and should be

14 revised.

15 And given the rapid change in the economy,

16 careers, and employment needs, we need to provide as much

17 flexibility to the career preparation system as we can to

18 respond to that fast-paced change. And we may have some

19 statutes and regulations that get in the way of allowing

20 them to do that. So I just suggest it may be worth your

21 time to take a step and look at in a comprehensive way the

22 laws and the regulations that govern how that system

23 operates.

24 So with that, thank you very much.

25 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you. I 116

1 appreciate it. And we have a school code of 1949 so -­

2 MR. BUCKHEIT: I don't ask you to take that one

3 on, just a small part.

4 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Although I think it's

5 worthwhile to give a little update to that as well and

6 staff is already glaring at me because I'm a fond reader of

7 that wonderful, wonderful book, endless pages.

8 But if you could, you don't have to do it right

9 now, but provide maybe more in-depth suggestions going back

10 and looking at career and tech stuff, what we can do to

11 alleviate those burdens so school district CTEs and CTCs

12 can adjust and kind of move on the fly and update their

13 programs to needs that they're hearing from out in the

14 community. That would be wonderful to hear that.

15 And questions?

16 Representative Tobash.

17 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Thank you for your

18 testimony.

19 So consolidation is an important term that we use

20 a lot with the goal of saving money. So consolidation at

21 CTCs must be more cost-effective than having school

22 districts bring programs back to their school. Can you

23 expand on that a little bit?

24 MR. BUCKHEIT: In theory that always makes sense,

25 but sometimes on a local practical level it doesn't because 117

1 a school district may have a computer science instructor

2 already on the staff so they already have some capacity to

3 deliver those instructional programs or career programs.

4 Not always the case but really you have to deal with it on

5 a case-by-case basis.

6 Our members tell us that sometimes intermediate

7 unit programs are not always the most cost-effective

8 because of their cost structures and you really need to

9 look individually at the particular situation to determine

10 whether in that case it really is more cost-effective. The

11 salaries may be higher, the benefits may be different, the

12 debt service may be different. There are a lot of

13 variables that go into that, too.

14 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Do you really think that

15 looking at it in the macro that school districts could

16 really save money in the long run by pulling these programs

17 back into their school district?

18 MR. BUCKHEIT: No.

19 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Right. No. No is the

20 answer.

21 MR. BUCKHEIT: That’s right. But, like most

22 things, when you drill down on the individual basis, there

23 maybe outliers.

24 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: It looks good in the

25 short run but really -- 118

1 MR. BUCKHEIT: Yes.

2 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: — I mean the lack of

3 consolidation or the -- really I think the original goal of

4 many of these CTCs are to offer programs that the school

5 district just couldn't afford on their own -­

6 MR. BUCKHEIT: Absolutely.

7 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: — and to really make

8 them as sharp as they could be at the CTC level I think is

9 the answer rather than having a playing field that's set

10 up -­

11 MR. BUCKHEIT: Right.

12 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: — that is really

13 attracting school districts in the short run to bring

14 programs back into their districts. So I understand that.

15 So as far as cost drivers, look, we're hearing

16 about this. Without taxing our property taxpayers a whole

17 lot more money, taxing, taxing, taxing, and improving the

18 dynamic, but I hear the cries of our local school

19 districts. What's the main cost driver at the local school

20 districts that is causing them to be in so much pain to not

21 allow more kids, children to go into CTCs? What's the big

22 cost driver?

23 MR. BUCKHEIT: It's largely personnel costs and

24 legacy costs of the pension system -­

25 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Oh, pensions. 119

1 MR. BUCKHEIT: -- and charter school tuition

2 costs and special education costs. I can go on forever.

3 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Wow. Okay.

4 Mr. Chairman, the train has left the tracks talking about

5 pensions here and -­

6 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: I wonder how that

7 happened, Representative.

8 REPRESENTATIVE TOBASH: Thank you so much for

9 your testimony.

10 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: I want to go into the

11 background checks and unemployment checks, obviously a

12 major issue. I had recently a teacher convicted over 800

13 accounts of child pornography, videotaping kids and stuff

14 like that. It's important, the safety of kids, obviously

15 comes number one. How do we do it in a rational and

16 responsible way?

17 This is a new twist and I discussed the hearing

18 Senator Wagner had in our roundtable discussion where

19 Harley came back and said we want to hire these kids. They

20 want to bring them in but coming back and saying, well,

21 we're going to need to require background checks and go

22 through that process. Where do you see that going and what

23 can we do to assist in creating those opportunities in a

24 better way?

25 MR. BUCKHEIT: Well, first and foremost, we have 120

1 to protect children from those who don’t have the best

2 interests of those children in their minds. So I think we

3 need to be clear, very clear, about who is expected to have

4 the checks done when a student is placed out in the field.

5 That has been one of the major issues. And be clear about

6 the supervision of that student when they’re in the field

7 so that -- understand that anyone who has contact with the

8 student probably needs to have some review done. But we

9 also need to do that in a low-cost non-bureaucratic way.

10 Right now, you have to go to various places to

11 get those done and it costs money. Whether that’s a

12 service that the State ought to provide given it’s in the

13 interest of the entire State and all the students in the

14 State, that might make things a little more palatable, and

15 doing it in a one-stop setting as opposed to having to go

16 to three different places would be much more efficient and

17 less burdensome.

18 So I think some of the problem has been we had

19 multiple bills to implement this and in the process of

20 writing those bills, some things got left on the cutting

21 room floor. And I understand there’s some work being done

22 to try to address some of those concerns, which is just

23 great, and some of it fell on the implementation and the

24 delay in getting clear information out to school districts

25 across the State. 121

1 So I think we need to put some more resources

2 into it. We need to be clear and work with employers to

3 find a way that’s not going to give them any cost or get in

4 the way of their production of what they’re about, but at

5 the same time ensuring that when a student is there,

6 they’re in the hands of somebody who’s going to care and

7 make sure that they’re safe.

8 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: And just to clarify, I

9 was 18 my senior year, was one of the oldest in my class;

10 this would only apply to students who are 18 and younger or

11 would those individuals who are 18 in high school, would

12 that apply to them as well?

13 MR. BUCKHEIT: My understanding, it applies to

14 anyone who is in the control of the school.

15 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Okay. Thank you.

16 Appreciate that. And no further questions from anyone on

17 the panel?

18 Thank you very much for your insight and your

19 input, appreciate it.

20 MR. BUCKHEIT: Thank you.

21 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Next panel is just one

22 person, David Namey from PSEA Department of Career and

23 Technical Studies. So come on up, and whenever you’re

24 ready, please start.

25 MR. NAMEY: Well, it’s good afternoon now, so 122

1 good afternoon, Chairman Grove, Chairman Harkins, and

2 Members of the House Select Subcommittee on Technical

3 Education and Career Readiness.

4 My name is David Namey and I ’m a teacher of

5 electrical construction at the Wilkes-Barre Area Career and

6 Technical School, Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. I also serve

7 as President of Pennsylvania State Education Association’s

8 Department of Career and Technical Studies. On behalf of

9 PSEA, I ’d like to thank you for inviting me here to express

10 our views and values on career and technical education

11 programs for our Pennsylvania students.

12 Off script just a little bit, there’s been some

13 very interesting testimony, much of which I have included

14 in here, but if you wouldn’t mind, mine is probably a

15 little bit different so I ’d still like to cover it if

16 that’s okay.

17 Career and technical education in Pennsylvania

18 schools focuses on a mix of career and technical skills,

19 academics, and real-world applications opening the door for

20 our students to career pathways that link them to the

21 learning in the work world. The goal is to provide

22 students with a full range of options, whether they choose

23 to go to work right after school or whether to pursue

24 college or postsecondary education.

25 Career and technical education offers a way for 123

1 schools to reengage students who learn best when abstract

2 concepts are connected to concrete, real-life applications.

3 In today's competitive global economy, CTE is more vital to

4 our students than ever before.

5 As an educator for 39 years in CTE, I'll be happy

6 to respond to any of your questions on what's happening in

7 our classrooms today, but I first wanted to present three

8 recommendations that have some focus for this Subcommittee

9 as you undertake your work over the next year-and-a-half.

10 The first recommendation was career and technical

11 education programs need employers who are committed to

12 providing extended learning working opportunities in the

13 workplace and to support the transition of our students

14 into the labor market. We've already heard some of the

15 difficulties there are with obtaining those clearances and

16 so forth, but I believe there's a few other roadblocks I'd

17 like to make known.

18 Capstone Cooperative Education is a method of

19 instruction available to our students in their senior year

20 that enables them to combine their academic classroom

21 instruction, which is the school-based learning component,

22 with the enhanced occupational instruction through on-the-

23 job learning. This is the work-based component. And this

24 is in the student's chosen career area. Some refer to this

25 as a paid internship program. 124

1 Capstone Co-op is planned and implemented as a

2 method to assist the students in their transition from

3 school to work, and it is planned and implemented in

4 accordance with the student’s declared career objectives

5 and in concert with predetermined expected academic and

6 occupational learning outcomes.

7 The trouble is that few businesses recently are

8 taking advantage of this program. Reasons may vary from

9 their lack of knowledge of such a program or a lack of

10 interest. In my early days of instruction in the late

11 ’70s, business participation was extremely high. Many CTE

12 classes had to turn away intern requests for lack of

13 eligible students. If memory serves me correctly,

14 Pennsylvania at that time was offering an incentive program

15 that provided State tax incentives to partially subsidize

16 the wages that were paid to these student interns.

17 More recently, from 2008 to 2013 Maryland had

18 offered a work-based learning tax credit program. The

19 purpose was to encourage employers to offer approved

20 structured and supervised paid work experiences for their

21 students coordinated through the local Workforce Investment

22 Boards. It might be beneficial for Pennsylvania to reach

23 out to our neighbor and to understand how Maryland’s

24 program worked, what outcomes were measured, and if

25 Pennsylvania can replicate those to incentivize the work- 125

1 based learning in key industries for our young people.

2 The businesses in our Commonwealth today need an

3 educated, trained, and qualified workforce. To accomplish

4 this, Pennsylvania needs a 21st century incentive program

5 to encourage businesses to take advantage of the

6 opportunities that career and technical education provides.

7 Additionally, Pennsylvania also needs an early

8 and sustained career advising system to help students and

9 families make informed choices about the education and

10 careers that are ahead of them.

11 Off this a little bit, I think we've done a great

12 job with -- I know my parents did -- of informing me of the

13 importance of a four-year college degree, but as you can

14 see, I think we've done too good of a job in that area.

15 As you know, though, times have changed. Many

16 students who attend college do not typically finish in four

17 years. Some take five years or more to graduate. Many,

18 sadly to say, do not finish at all for various reasons.

19 I've always had a belief that it is those students that do

20 not finish college that typically do not have the skills

21 that our businesses are looking for. And I think primarily

22 sometimes when we hear businesses talk about the lack of

23 education or lack of quality education that the workforce

24 has, I think sometimes that component of students, that

25 group of students that has typically not finished college, 126

1 nor have they gained any career skills at a career center,

2 those are the ones that I think businesses are typically

3 talking about.

4 Pennsylvania needs to do a better job of

5 providing career guidance so that our students have a

6 better understanding of the many careers that are out there

7 in the world and the pathways to get there. This

8 counseling needs to be available not only in the high

9 schools, but more importantly, in the early grades. Many

10 careers today require less than a four-year degree. The

11 fast-growing sector of our economy is for highly skilled

12 workers with some college or an associate's degree.

13 Today, more than half the jobs in Pennsylvania

14 require some postsecondary or associate's degree education

15 but not a four-year degree, yet only 26 percent of the

16 Commonwealth's workforce possess this level of education.

17 Students and parents need our help to explore those

18 opportunities and to travel the pathways to get there,

19 whether it means pursuing a four-year college degree, a

20 two-year associate's degree, or a one-year certificate

21 program.

22 Finally, if CTE is going to be a priority for the

23 long-term economic growth of Pennsylvania, the Commonwealth

24 needs to invest in CTE programs by increasing the State's

25 funding commitment. Schools can obtain the reimbursement 127

1 for the cost of CTE programs through the vocational state

2 subsidy. The subsidy is based on a formula that takes into

3 account average daily membership of CTE-enrolled students

4 and other factors.

5 While the subsidy is formula-driven, annual

6 reimbursements are capped usually due to budget

7 constraints. As a result, the subsidy provides less than

8 $1,000 per student enrolled in career and technical

9 education programs. For 2014/2015 fiscal year, the subsidy

10 only covered 46 percent of the amount that was actually

11 needed to fully fund the subsidy formula.

12 For the past five budget cycles, this

13 appropriation has been either cut or has been frozen at its

14 present amount, which is $62 million. Coupled with the

15 cuts to Federal funds from Carl D. Perkins Vocational

16 Technical Education Act, local school districts are

17 shouldering more and more of the cost of CTE programs.

18 Some of the school districts have sought ways to reduce

19 their budgets of career and technical education centers

20 that provide CTE programs. Some mistakenly believe that

21 controlling enrollments is a way to cut costs at CTE

22 programs. Other districts have attempted to control costs

23 by cutting CTE programs or reducing them to half-time.

24 These reductions in some cases have come at a cost of

25 program equipment or modernization and even classroom 128

1 supply budgets, which provide the raw materials for the

2 students’ hands-on learning.

3 CTEs should not be an expedient cost-reduction

4 strategy for school boards to control their budgets.

5 However, in recent years, that is unfortunately what it has

6 become. If CTE is going to be a priority for our

7 policymakers, that message must be made clear at the

8 statewide level and filtered down to the local school

9 boards.

10 Again, I ’d like to thank you for the opportunity

11 to testify on career and technical education in

12 Pennsylvania and I ’ll be happy to answer any questions you

13 have at this point.

14 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you very much,

15 and I appreciate your dedication and perseverance to the

16 students that you teach in such a critical area today.

17 We’ve had a lot of discussion recently about

18 guidance counselors and how students are getting I guess

19 career counseling. From when you started to now, which has

20 only been one or two years’ service, can you explain how it

21 was done when you first got into teaching and how w e ’re

22 doing it now? Is it a fact of guidance counselors being

23 overworked or being drawn away from focusing on trying to

24 match students up with career possibilities and now they’re

25 focused on other areas? 129

1 MR. NAMEY: I think some of their focus has been

2 diverted, and in some cases they’re concerned about the

3 students’ well-being. I think a lot of the factors that

4 are affecting our schools today, crime, other problems that

5 student populations face, suicides, accidents where

6 students die, there’s a world of things that our counselors

7 are very, very pulled into and probably don’t have the

8 opportunities that they had in the past to talk to the kids

9 that are in the seventh and eighth grade.

10 My belief is that we should go even deeper back

11 into the early grades. Early on I know my parents had the

12 opportunity to speak to me about the importance of what I

13 wanted to do when I grew up, and that conversation took

14 place in fifth, sixth grade, early on. And it was one of

15 the prime reasons that I actually chose teaching. My

16 primary certification level was elementary education, but I

17 happened to be doing electric work during the great flood

18 of ’72 up in our area and ended up becoming an electrician

19 on the side.

20 I think absent of a lot of the discussion that

21 students should have with their parents, I think we need

22 that counseling in the early grades to help stimulate some

23 of their interests.

24 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Do you think we should

25 start STEM and career technical education elementary, 130

1 middle school? I mean generally w e ’re focused on 9 to 12.

2 At what point should we have the introduction to students

3 within our grade levels?

4 MR. NAMEY: I don’t think there’s anything wrong

5 with even the fifth and sixth grade of starting some type

6 of career awareness program, whether it’s a hands-on

7 program that the students participate in, whether it

8 becomes an event that they would attend where we could

9 invite businesses, employers, as well as the local CTCs to

10 participate.

11 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Again, like I

12 mentioned, we have Harley-Davidson right in York County.

13 Would that be an awareness to get those students in to tour

14 those facilities to show them that manufacturing has

15 changed over the years; it’s not particularly a dirty job

16 anymore. Would that be beneficial?

17 MR. NAMEY: I think they probably need to be

18 exposed to the manufacturing process because, again,

19 stereotypes being what they are, I think they’re passed on

20 and I think students early, young students, I think they

21 would benefit greatly from seeing some of the modern

22 processes that are going on in our manufacturing plants.

23 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: How about your

24 interaction with your fellow teachers? I know in some of

25 our local York County school districts some teachers have 131

1 actually done some work with welding. I know a

2 Superintendent actually took some coursework in welding and

3 tried to get a better understanding. Do you think that's

4 something for professional development, a little more focus

5 in getting maybe teachers who aren't associated with career

6 and tech into those fields and have that discussion?

7 MR. NAMEY: It's funny you should bring that up

8 because the Wilkes-Barre Area CTC has been doing this

9 probably for over 10 years. During the summer we offer a

10 professional development program where we would invite our

11 sending school teachers and counselors to take at least two

12 courses. It's a one-day session where they would have

13 either let's say electrical in the morning and maybe

14 welding in the afternoon, and that continues for the full

15 week. And I think it gives them some insight not only as

16 to what the job entails but the curricular needs of those

17 students.

18 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Has it been well

19 received by your fellow teachers?

20 MR. NAMEY: It has. There's usually a line to

21 get into my program. But usually we're turning teachers

22 away from that program in the summer. It's usually first-

23 come, first-served.

24 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: That's all the

25 questions I have. Thank you very much for your testimony. 132

1 Thanks for hanging in there to -­

2 MR. NAMEY: Thank you.

3 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: — the very end. It

4 was very informative. Thank you very much.

5 MR. NAMEY: I appreciate it.

6 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: That concludes our

7 hearing. I found it very informational. And again, our

8 next one will be May 28th at the Reading Community College

9 focusing on higher education.

10 Any closing remarks, Representative?

11 DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HARKINS: No, I'd just like

12 to thank everybody. I thought this was very good

13 information provided and I look forward to our next hearing

14 [inaudible]. Thank you.

15 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Chairman Saylor?

16 REPRESENTATIVE SAYLOR: [inaudible].

17 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN GROVE: Thank you very much.

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