THE POCO a POCO PODCAST EPISODE 10 – “The Father Thinks I’M Hot Stuff”
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THE POCO A POCO PODCAST EPISODE 10 – “The Father Thinks I’m Hot Stuff” www.franciscanfriars.com Announcer: You're listening to the Poco a Poco podcast, sponsored by Spirit Juice Studios. Fr. Mark-Mary: Hey everybody. Welcome, this is Fr. Mark-Mary. Fr. Angelus: Fr. Angelus. Fr. Innocent: And Fr. Innocent. Fr. Mark-Mary: And this is the Poco a Poco Podcast with the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal. Did we get the order right? I feel like there was a ... Fr. Innocent: I feel like you look at me and I guess when you look [crosstalk 00:00:28] ... Fr. Mark-Mary: Are you normally [inaudible 00:00:28], Fr. Innocent? Fr. Innocent: No, I think it kind of leads ... Fr. Angelus: I think it's Fr. Innocent: Leads out. It's pretty strong. I particularly just want to welcome him back. Fr. Angelus: Easy, easy, buddy. Fr. Innocent: There's been a few podcasts where he's been too busy. Fr. Angelus: That is not true. Fr. Mark-Mary: Dude, the podcast episodes are not recorded necessarily in the same order in which they are released. Fr. Angelus: That's true. Fr. Mark-Mary: And so we had a little streak of ... Fr. Innocent: It that was a secret, it no longer is. Fr. Mark-Mary: We had a little streak of struggling with abandonment issues. Fr. Innocent: That Fr. ... Fr. Mark-Mary: Fr. Angelus was abandoning us. Fr. Innocent: Was too busy for us. THE POCO A POCO PODCAST EPISODE 10 – “The Father Thinks I’m Hot Stuff” www.franciscanfriars.com Fr. Angelus: Another way to look at that is being faithful to the responsibilities that I've been given. Fr. Mark-Mary: I mean that's one way. Fr. Innocent: That's one way. Fr. Mark-Mary: That's one way to look at it. Fr. Innocent: I mean, it's not what we were feeling. It's kind of rejecting what our experience was. Fr. Angelus: Unbelievable. Fr. Mark-Mary: You'll hear the ... There was a movie called Memento, I never saw it, but where it kind of starts at the end and then goes backwards towards the beginning. Fr. Innocent: Oh, I think I saw that movie, too. Fr. Mark-Mary: This is like a Memento, because we're talking about something that they're going to hear about later on. We'll see how it goes, but we are talking about your affinity for ... Fr. Innocent: The Spice Girls? Fr. Mark-Mary: Your affinity for the Spice Girls and your addiction to bonbons. Fr. Angelus: You guys talked about this without me? Fr. Mark-Mary: Yeah, but we told the people that we would mention it to you. Fr. Innocent: Affinity for the Spice Girls. Can you name the Spice Girls right now, if I asked you? Fr. Angelus: The first one, I remember, is named Fr. Angelus. Fr. Mark-Mary: Yeah. Got you. Fr. Innocent: Wow, that was ... Fr. Angelus: I just want everybody to know that I'm not laughing right now. THE POCO A POCO PODCAST EPISODE 10 – “The Father Thinks I’m Hot Stuff” www.franciscanfriars.com Fr. Mark-Mary: So Fr. Angelus is back and Fr. Angelus is back with a vengeance. He is the star of this episode. Fr. Innocent: Wow. Fr. Mark-Mary: Here's the back story. We're talking about meekness and, you know, we always spend a certain amount of time before we actually hit the record button discussing where we're going to go, who's going to do what, and what we have in front of us is a talk, essentially the outline of a talk that Fr. Angelus gives to ... Who do you give it to? Fr. Angelus: Our postulants. Fr. Mark-Mary: The postulants and it's on fraternal life and there's the heart of it is dealing with meekness, but what was coming out as we were discussing is still like a wrestling with what it really means. Fr. Innocent: Yeah. Fr. Angelus: I think it's difficult because, again, I think there's a mystery to the word. I think if we're honest when people think of meekness, they think of weakness. It's like, "Oh, look at ..." Like a meek lamb, right? Someone who maybe is trampled or someone who's weak or soft. We've talked about that before a little bit. Fr. Mark-Mary: I'm going to ask you a question, you have to be honest. Fr. Angelus: Okay. Fr. Mark-Mary: Do you use that line in your talk every time? "When people think of meekness ..." Fr. Angelus: They think of ... Fr. Mark-Mary: "They think of weakness." Fr. Angelus: Yeah. Fr. Mark-Mary: Or is that fresh? Fr. Angelus: Yeah, I talk about that. Fr. Mark-Mary: You've been thinking about that one for years? THE POCO A POCO PODCAST EPISODE 10 – “The Father Thinks I’m Hot Stuff” www.franciscanfriars.com Fr. Angelus: I appreciate that you thought it was fresh. Fr. Mark-Mary: No, I didn't, that's why I asked. I just wanted everybody to know. Fr. Innocent: But is it true? Like sometimes there's a temptation to think about ... Fr. Angelus: It's true, totally, 100%. 100%. But, guys, this is a Gospel reality and I think the foundation for me ... I've kind of been fascinated with the topic for a while. Meekness has been a topic that I'm always keeping my ear open for people who talk about, reflect about it. The one when the word comes up and obviously, it comes in Matthew five, in the Beatitude here, "Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth," but it also comes up in Matthew 11, which is probably one of my ... I know you guys had talked about this on the podcast, I haven't gotten a chance to share mine, but Matthew 11 ... Fr. Innocent: If you'd show up, every once in a while ... Fr. Mark-Mary: The prospect though, everybody, I don't know if you ... Fr. Angelus: Yeah, I would like to point out that my cough is better than it has been, but if we look at Matthew 11, it's beautiful because we have been talking about here at the podcast Poco a Poco, like learning Jesus is the model, Jesus is the witness, the heart of God is the place we go to be able to experience what it means to be revealed about these, how God reveals Himself in the heart of Jesus, right? And so it's beautiful because in Matthew 11, what Jesus say, "Learn from Me for I am meek and humble of heart." Like "Learn from Me," like "This is My heart," right? Fr. Angelus: And so, if this, our journey together so far has been about learning from Jesus, going to Jesus, the answer is in Jesus, the answer is in the heart of Jesus." You have a question in life, you have a question about what you should do, you have a question about your suffering, you have a question about your joy, what is it? It's found in the heart of Jesus, right? And so Jesus could have said anything, that's what I like to tell the guys. Jesus could have said, "Learn from Me for I Am." I mean Jesus is everything, but He could have picked anything but this is what He said, "That I'm the meek and humble of heart." Fr. Angelus: That's interesting for me, and so we have to stop there. I think we should be confronted with what that means. Jesus is saying, "This is important," and so meek is ... it's a little elusive and it's a little mysterious, but I think it's kind of worth going there and trying to figure out what Jesus is saying. Why is this important? So important that Jesus would say, "This is My heart, meek and humble." THE POCO A POCO PODCAST EPISODE 10 – “The Father Thinks I’m Hot Stuff” www.franciscanfriars.com Fr. Innocent: And one thing we know for sure ... I don't know if I need to say that this is Fr. Innocent after like kind of picking up from where he leaves of, but this is a response Fr. Angelus, the reality is that if Jesus says, "Learn from Me for I am meek," what He's definitely not saying is learn from me that like kind of presenting some kind of weakness, right? Fr. Mark-Mary: Or softness, yeah. Fr. Innocent: Or softness or ... [inaudible 00:05:57] reality that there ... He is revealing something about His heart that is kind of at the core of who He is, right, and so we can just kind of grasp the fact that He represents some sort of meekness or softness according to His person. Fr. Mark-Mary: It could also be interesting to see, we can take it at different angles but somehow meekness is passivity or somehow meekness is kind of like something that just kind of ... It's like people walked over me or ... Fr. Innocent: Like a victim, kind of ... Fr. Mark-Mary: People that I'm a victim and because the Gospel's not passive, right. No, the Gospel is actually quite aggressive in being changed by God and then being able to go out and change the world. So, yeah, it's fascinating. Fr. Innocent: Okay, so let's take a look at this.