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Oral Answer to Questions— ♦Starred Questions Nos. 421, 424 to 426, 428 to 430, 432 and 433 1 - 2 6 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 422,423 427 and 434 to 450 27— 41 Unstarred Questions No. 1887 to i*>01, 1903 to 1916, 1918 to 1937, and 1939 to 2002. 41—131 Calling attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Reported lefusal of some Siates to accomodate Bangla Desh Evacuees 132—146 146—147 Papers Laid on the Table Business ol the House 147-15o 150—176 Demands for Grants (Manipur), 1971—72 150—152 Shri S. M. Banerjee 152—157 Shri G. P. Yadav 157—163 Shri N. Tombi Singh Shri K. R. Ganesh 163—168 Manipur Appropriation (No. 2 ) Bill. 1971— Introduced and passed 176-177 Bengal Finance (Sales Taxj (Delhi Validation of Appointments and Proceedings) Bill Motion to consider Shri K. R. Ganesh 178—179 Bills Introduced— (1) Parliament (Prevention of disqualification) Amendment Bill, 1971 ( Amendment o f section 3) by Shri N. Sreekantan Nair. 180 (2) Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 1971 CAmendment o f Article 74) by Dr. Karani Singh 180 (3) Age Relaxation (Services) Bill, 1971 by Shri B. K. Daschowdhury. 180—181 (4) Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 1971 (Amendment of Article 324) by Shri Shyamnandan Mishra. 181 Constitution (amendment) Bill— Withdrawu (Amendment o f Articles 8a, 81 and insertion o f new Article 281 A) by Shri Murasoli Maran. Motion to consider 181—204 Shri N. K. P. Salve 182—186 Shri M. Ram Gopal Reddy 186—189

* The sign + marked above the Name of Member indicate that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Members. C olumns

Shri R. V. Swaminathan 189—191 Shri Sezhiyan 191— 194 Shri C. M- Stephen 194-197 Shri Nitiraj Singh Chaunhary 197—199 Shri Murasoli Maran 199- 204 Constitution (Amendment) Bill Insertion o f new Articles 21A and 23J?)by Dr Karani Singh Motion to consider 205-236 D r. Karani Singh 205—211 Shri M.C. Daga 211 217 Shr: N. K . Sinha 217 - 222 Shri R. D* Bhandare 222- -225 Shri Dasaratha Deb 226—227 Prof. S. L. Saxene 227- -229 Shri Bibhuti Mishra 229- -231 Shri Narain Chand Parashar 231 -234 Shri B. S. Bhaura 234- 236 Shri K. Lakappa 236 ftalf-an-hour Discussion—Re Slow Progress of Electrification in West Bengal, Bihar and Orissa. 236 -250 Shri B. K. Dasuhowdhry 236-243 Dr. K. L. Rao 245—250 LOK SABHA DEBATES

l 2 LOIC SABHA SHRI D. K. PANDA : In view of the fact that the cargo berth is not completed and the construction work could not be given to the Orissa Construction Corporation which Friday, June / / , l 971}Jyaistha21 , is a public sector undertaking and though the 1893 (Saka) Maximum capacity is fixed at 18,000 tonnes the actual handling of iron ore is restricted to 11,000 tonnes and when the interest repay­ The Lok Sabha met at Eleven o f ment now exceeds the income from port, it the Clock. shows that there is slow progress. When the first board was constituted at the beginning I M r . S pe a k e r in the Chair] under section 4(1) there was defective manage­ ment...... ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS MR. SPEAKER : 1 am not going to allcw Paradeep Port Trust Board this; he should put a question.

*421. SHRI D. K. PANDA: Will thc SHRI D. K. PANDA : In view of all' Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT this, 1 want to know why the provisions of the be pleased to state : Act are not being followed; it is mandatory under scction 3(1) ? (a) when the present Paradeep Port Trust Board in Oiissja was constituted; SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : It is wron* to say that mandatory provisions cf the Por (b) whether steps have been taken to con­ Trusts Act are not being followed. The pro-i stitute the Board according to the provisions vision is that the first board of trustees should of the Major Port Trusts Act; and be appointed. The board has come into be­ ing. I may point out to the hon. Member (c) if not, the reasons there for? that even the major ports commission which went into the question of the composions of THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTA­ the board has provided that smaller ports like RY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND Paradeep should not have more than 13 TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : members and even the first board of trustee* (a) The present Board for the Port of Paradeep has got as many as 12 members with one was constituted on the 1st November, 1967. labour representative. (b) The Board has been constituted according to the provisions of Scction 4 of the SHRI P. K. DEO : Is it not a fact that Major Port Trusts Act, 1963. a long a lime back thc port trust ha6 sent its recommendations to the Government to expedite (c) Does not arise. the construction of thc general cargo berth and to expedite the construction of the rofyway Shri D.K. Panda : What are the reasons marshalling yard there but nothing his been for not reconstituting the board under section done inspite of reminders. Yesterday listen­ 3(4). ing to Mr. Chavan’s reply to the budget debate, my heart sank to my stomach when he mentin- Shri Raj Bahadur : The port was com­ ed about development of infrastructure of all missioned as late as 1966-67, To begin with ports, except Paradip. there is a wise provision in the Major Port Trusts Act that they shall have first trust board SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: The cargo and then we can have regular trust boards. It berth is expected to the completed by 1973, s a pirovisiona! one according to section 4. according to my information. 3 Orat Answers JUNE 11, 1971 Ora! Answers 4

SHRI JAGANATH RAO : The Chair- target was 8,70,006 GRT and actual achieve­ man of the Paradip Port Trust has been ment was 8,63,358. GRT. changed. Why not the other members of the trust also be changed, now that four years (b) The shortfall was due to delay in the delivery of a cargo versel M.V. ‘Vishva Darshan* have elapsed? being built by the Hindustan Shipyard Limi­ SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : Some members ted. The ship is now expected to be delivered have been changed. I have got the details shortly. of the changes that have been made. For (c) There is no proposal at present to example, Shri Bhagwan Kotak was nominated obtain ships on long time charier. vice Shri K. B. Sircar. There are changes in the list of certain officers also. The Board SHRI N.K. SANGHI : From what the consists of a large number of officials of the hon. Minister has said, it looks there is very various departments and, naturally, this is the little shortfall in shipping. But according to first Board, and it does require some time to the fourth Plan target, it is four million GRT. be formed. We arc lifting only 21 percent of our cargo in our bottoms. So, may I know what is being SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will the done to reach 50 percent target in respcct of hon. Minister kindly tell us the amount of carrying our import and export in our t\*n money that has been advanced by the Orissa ships? State Government for the construction of this SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : 1 must say port which is a Central affair, and whteher we are doing vary well, so far as tonnage is the Central Government is considering to concerned to build up our own shipping and repay that, and if so, how soon, and why ---- think the question that my hon. friend has put does not arise out of this question bccause MR. SPEAKER : It is about the con­ this relates exclusively to the Shipping stitution of the Board; not ragarding payment Corporation of india. But for his benefit, of money. I may tell him that today wc are having as much as 2.4 million GRT in operation and SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : It is a abuot 800,000 GRT on order, and we hope Trust, and the money has to be repaid ...... to achieve the target of four million tonnes, the total tonnage i order and that in operation, MR SPEAKER : You arc widening the put together, by the end of the fourth Plan,perio scope of the question. Next question. Of course, we are lifting only 21 persent of our total trade, but it should also berealised that Target of Shipping Tonnage Proposed by the our trade is also increasing very fast, Shipping Corporation of India. and today 21 per cent constitutes a much larger tonnage of trade lifted. It is a much larger ♦424, SHRI N.K. SANGHI : Will the faction as compared to what our ships carried Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT some 10 to 15 years back Wc have however be pleased to state : to build up a level of shipping tonnage with which we can carry 50 per cent, town (a) the target of shipping tonnage pro­ trade but that will take time. posed by the Shipping Corporation o f India SHRI N.K. SANGHI : Since we have Ltd. at the end of March, 1971 and how much in order 10 ships from the German Democratic of it has been achieved; Republic, Six out of which are container- (b) the reasons for the shortfall, if any; oriented, may I know whether suitable action and has been taken to develop the container service in the railway so that while we get the ships (c) whether there is any proposal to from the German Democratic Republic, we obtain ships on long time charter and if so, are able to carry the load properly and get the tonnage thereof ? the ships property taken care of ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : So far as AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANS­ the container servicc inconcerned, it is a very PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) the laudable objective in mechanisation tonnage Oral Answers Jyaistha 21, 18 93 lSaka) Oral Answers 6

with which. But the fact remains that SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : What are the we have got to tune up our port arragements conditions for upgrading ? Have those con- for t.hat; we have also to tune up the railway ditions not been satisfied by Cochin city ? arrangements and we have also to synchr- onise also many arrangements . Therefor, it SHR.I K.R. GANESH : The criteriaon will be too early for me to state how soon laid down by the Pay Commission for house we are going to take to containerisat ion and rent and compensatory allowance is population. to acquire container ships. According to the 1961 census, the population of Cochin was 3,40,81 0. That is why it is a SHRI VA YALAR RA VI : In the Cochin C class city. port, which is a major port, many of the shipp-f ing liners are refusing to go there because o SHRI A. K. GOPAlAN : Last time when the explosive berth re.:ently instituted there. the same question was put, it was said that In view of the fact that many of the major the question of upgrading is r,lated to census liners are not coming to Cochin due tor figures. T do not know why it is now said the explosive berth will Gm'e JHN' nf < r 1 ~ i< :J that the Pay Commission's rq:ort should be shifting the explosive berth to some other awaited. Is it not clone on the basis of po- minor port ? pulation?

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : I do not know SHRI K.R. GANESH : I have not been how this supplementary arises out of this understood. I said, the Pay Commission has question, but I will certainly bear in mind what laid down population as the criteriaon. Cochin he has stated. was declared C class on the basis of 1961 census figures. The provisional figures for 1971 are available, but the Government has decided to await the final figures which will Demand for Upgradation of Cochin City be coming in a few months' time. *425 . •SHRI A. K. GOPALAN: Will SHRI A.K. GOPALAN : The census figures are out now. Why can't the Govern- the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to ment decide now? state : SHRT K.R. GANESH: Unless the final (a) whether Government have received figures are available, it will mean upgradation any memorandum requesting the upgrada- of ma ny other cities. tion of Cochin city in view of the recent Census;

(b) if so, the main demands contained s>.lT are:~ fiGf ci't: ~"Q1 ;q-r~ grade Cochin city, and if so, when ? .11" tr.llcffi\~ct '<~'~1'1JT) that the question of upgradation of Ccchin I 9 6 I 'ff i iff~i~i l,'"( I for the grant of house rent and city compen- satory allowances to the Central Government employees posted there should be taken up s>.lT are~ f~~r C(T~q.qr : 1 9 6 1

SHRI K.R. GANESH : On the basis of of construction and furnishing will be borne an agreement with the employees' association, by the Central Government. there was a mid-term survey of 40 cities, the basis was that cities which in the 1%1 census SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI : I understand had 10 per cent less population to qual fy for from the reply of the Minister that the Charges the next higher class were-selected. On the will be inexpensive for the youth in general. I basis of that selecticn, they were upgraded. would like to know whether it wifi be fiee as Cochin and Gwalior did not come in that. in man> parts of the world such as USSR and Japan. 1 also want to know what are those inexpensive charges. It is said about tourist homes also that their charges are inexpensive r ^ v^r f * sft siftf % *tvWsrn but wc know it for a fact that in some tourist am? v fr S ^ f a f rc % homes it is costilitr than son'e of the pen­ rar tffr ^nrw^y tfr *t?t f st vrsff ? sive hotels in the city. Will the government provide hostel facilities free < f charge to the SHRI K.R. GANESH : As 1 said, the university and college students? question of upgradation of cities will be takm ap only when the final figures arc available. DR. SAROJINI MAHISHI : By “in­ expensive" it means at less cost. There i4, SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR : In no comparison of youth hostels with costly view of the fact that there was an artificial hotels. These youth hostels are b ing built with separation of Cochin and Finakul&m, in view a view to encouraging domestic touiism and of the fact that the cost of Jiving in Lrnakulam also travel by jouth in the counlr>. They ’and Cocliin are very high and that Greater will be inexpensive. Cochin now contemplates to bring in a much .&ger area making it really consonant wi/h SHRI P. R. DAS MUNSI * Who would iT'st of living there, wiU Govemnunt cc/viVer actually be able to take advantage of them? igrading the Cochin city as a special case? Now theexisting belief is that they are meant for the sons of IAS and ICS officers. Ministers SHRI K.R. GANESH : As 1 mentioned, and Secretaries. Would students of recognis­ is a question of waiting fcr a few m entis ed Institutions and recognisen clubs be efore the final figures are available. treated as youths ?

Youth Hostels in Towns DR. SAROJINI MAHISHI : Youth has reference to age and not with reference to IAS *426. SHRI P. R. DAS MUNSI : Will office rs. the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI : Now unless the youths are sons of IAS or ICS officers, or they (a) whether Government propose to open get some recommendation letter, they arc not free Youth Hostels in the Presidency or big able to avail of them. towns in the next year; and

(b) if so, broad outlines of the scheme in SHRI SAMAR GUHA : May I know this regard? whcthei it is a fact that a sum of Rs. 22 lakhs has bsen provided for the improvement of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tourism in West Bengal in the current plant and MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL in that programme the setting up of youth AVIATION : (DR. SAROJINI MAH1SHI) : hostels has also been included? If so, whether (a) and (b). It is proposed to set up new it is not a fact that Darjeeling and Digha, Youth Hostels at Jaipur, Madras, Hampi, one a hill resort and another a #ea resort, are Trivandrum, Bhopal, Palmtop and Darjeeling the two main centres to attract the youths? during the current Plan with a view to promot­ Out of these Digha is less costly compared ing youth travel by providing inexpensive to Darjeeling where the cost of living is much accommodation. The pattern of the scheme is higher. So, why is Digha not being develop­ that the State Governments concerned will ed and why youth hostels are not being eft*. offer land as their contribution while the cost blished there? 9 Oral Answers Jyaishtha 21, 1893 (Saka) Oral Answers 10

DR. SAROJINl MAHISHI : The amount well as Government officilas to find out if *he provided is Rs. 25 lakhs, and not Rs. 22 lakhs, investment climate in India had appreciably for the construction of youth hostels in West changed after the last elections? Has it also Bengal. I rhink the Minister of Tourism of come to the noticc of Government that the West Bengal also agreed that it should be leader of the delegation in a press interview set up at Darjeeling. Digha, which is a beach said that after the recent gereral elections in resort, can be developed by the State Govern­ India the investment climate had appreciably ment. changed?

$ ipff JilffW SllRl YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : At least I will correct him in certain matters. *f flaw f-; ^ The leader of the delegation was not Mitsu­ srr m h't? if w v r qc«r tt.,; & bishi because it is a concern. ?r-iT jst k SHRI S.M. KRISHNA : I know ; ? Nakagawa was the leader.

*1 : Kiv* if o ^ T SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : ^ n;i; gf £WT l Mr. Nakagawa, the Managing Director of the company, was the leader. They came here, went round, saw thing and made a statement Changes in Investment Policy towards before leaving India at Calcutta. They indi­ India by Japan cated some good feelings about India and +42K. SHRI S.M. KRISHNA: expressed the view that the hon. Member SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : has mentioned. But we have not got any infor­ mation whether they have made any recomme­ Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased ndation to the Government of Japan. That to state : we do not know, but certainly we know that they have issued some statement. They have (a) whether it is a fact that a Japanese a ho assured us that they will send us some Mission headed by Mitsubishi, after its visit to India, suggested to the Japanese Government report. We are expecting ths»t rercri. for changes in regard to investment policy towards India; SHRI S.M. KRISHNA : During the last visit of the Prime Minister of India to Japan (b) if so, how far these changes in Japan’s it was suggested that a small cell of the India investment policy will help India; and Investment Centre, attached to the Indian Embassy, would be started in Tokyo so that (c) what are the items on which Japan the leading industrialists of Japan could be has shown interest in India? educated about the investment sphere in New Delhi and other parts of India. I would like THE MINISTER OK FINANCE (SHRI to know if Government have taken steps to YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) ; (a) Gover­ start that cell in Tokyo; If so, what is the pro­ nment have no information in this regard. gress that the celt has made in attracting Japa­ (b) Does not arise. nese investment in India?

(c) During the last one year the Japanese SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : have shown interest in the export/manufacture I have not got exact information about any of items like Ossein, Flourspar, Electronic decision taken by the Investment Centre to components, Deep sea fishing, Power cables start a local office there. It is a question of Textile machinery, Fertilizers, T.V. Transmi­ finding out various methods of getting the ssion equipment, Dry cells, Capacitors, High Japanese industrialists and other people Carbon and Special grade wire rods etc. interested in investment in India. That can be done in many ways. A cell or office is also SHRI S. M. KRISHNA : Is it not a fact one of the ideas. But at the presentmoment I that a delegation consisting of t2 leading have not got any definite information about Japanese industrialists, led by Mitsubishi, came the cell idea. to India about a month and a Half ago, went round the country meeting industrialists as SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR ; Has 11 Oral Answers JUNE 11, 1971 Oral Answers 12 the attention of the Government been drawn the State Policy authorities, who keep a watch to a newspaper statement that America is in this behalf and organise raids on infor­ utilising Japan to curb and,if possible,demolish mation of counterfeiting being done by any our industrial development? It was publish­ person. The Central Bureau of Investigation ed in yesterday’s papers. Instead of aiding also keeps the problem of counterfeiting of they are trying to sabotage. Indian currency under continuous study by keeping records of different techniques adopted MR. SPEAKER : This is about Mitsu­ and by reviewing periodically the appearance bishi and not about the Americans. of counterfeit Indian currency. They have also created a ‘cell’ in their Economic Offences SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : He Wing to undertake investigations of serious has said that Japan is being used for that offences of counterfeit currency and coordi­ purpose. nate the investigations in the States. Govern­ ment are setting a new bank note Press at Dewas MR. SPEAKER : In this way you can to print notes of the denominations of Rs.10/- connect anything. and above where the printing technology to be used will be such as to make counterfeiting Circulation of Counterfeit Currency of these notes extremely difficult, if not impo­ ssible. *429. SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : Is the state : Government aware that some places notably Coimbatore and Bangalore, have become (a) whether Government are aware that notorious us centres of counterfeit currency there is a large scale circulation of counterfeit and many innocent people are being dviped by currency in the country; these people7 Not only that ......

(b) iT so, the steps Government have so MR. SPEAKER : Please ask a question. far taken to check the circulation of counter­ feit currency; and SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : I started with asking whether the Government (c) whether any foreign power is involved? is aware of the fact that Coimbatore and Banga­ lore are considered to he notorious centres THI MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY Ol FINANCE (SHRI K.R- of this racket in forged currency. GANESH) : (a) From the number o The Government is not able to check this counterfeit currency notes recovered in cir­ culation or seized b> the police from counter sort of racket going on with the result that small people are being deceived and some feiters, it would appear that the problem of people are getting benefited and becoming rich circulation of counterfeit currency, although overnight. May 1 know whether the Govern­ not completely eradicated, ».% of a magnitude ment is aware of this fact and, iT so, what which can tu considered extremely small action they are taking in this regard? in relation to the totality of currency in cir­ culation. MR. SPEAKER: The supplementarie- (b) A statement expiainirg the position in should not be in the form of making suggess brief is laid on the Tabh of the House. tions and giving information. They should be directly in the shape of questions. 1 hope you (c) There is no evidence lo suggest that will avoid it in future. arty foreign power is involved in the circulation of counterfeit currency in this country. SHRI K.R. GANESH : As the House knows, as far as Coimbatore is concerned, a Statement large amount of currency was seized even be­ The offences relating to counterfeiting of fore it went into circulation. The Govern­ currency and bank notes come under the ment has taken various steps in connection with Indian Penal Code, which already provides the stopping of this evil. The priming of for deterrent punishment. The offences of counterfeit currency is an offence punishable counterfeiting and forgery are dealt with by under the Indian Penal Code, The C.B.I, Oral An swers JYAISHTHA 21,1893 (Saka) Oral Answers 14

is also keeping a elose w.itch on it anti study­ comes under the jurisdiction of the State ing the various methods and techniques used Government and it is for them to take action: in it. They have set up a cell in the Economic Offences Wing to find out, to evaluate and to locate the evil. A new press is going to be *\* v a n n r : set up at Dcwas in which an improved technology vsff % s«rPTTT-tflirf »ncf will be used and, after u>ing that technology* srrcft vfr % ff, grrefa ffte *prtfr sift anfr f it will become impossible to ptint counterfeit currency,. particularly, ot denominations of *rV -3vf4rr fc i * a n w Rs. 10 and above. $ fo sw «nv^r *pt w §rr, SHRI P. VF NKATASUBBAIAH : May fspnTf re ^rnrr «rV I know whether the Government is aware o f W f f ? srrrr^ r^ f the fact that much of the Chinese currency has iilso been pumped into India through some srrsi 5,7 Tiff t netural countries and, if so, whether the Govern­ h' rr tm* srr v-fr t , w ment is going to make a thorough investiga­ tion m the matter? ?h’ h'v .rrv n:r w I ?

SH*I K. R. GANLSH : This matter is 3W«T : V F tt T O I , being continuously looked into by the C.BJ and they have said that there is no foreign frn*zr cff s s f e f e w ^ 7 % ^ I pow^r involved in the printing of counterfeit currency, SHRI K. R. GANESH: The second part does not arise out of the main question. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: The most in­ I have figure of the recovery of counterfeit fluencing centres of circulation of this fake currency with me. It is a long list. The currency are the heads of religious institu amount of counterfeit currency which has tions in Mysore State. May I know whether been seized, compared to the total currency the Government has probed into the matter. in circulation is infinitesimally small. The Mathadhipaties in Mysore State are manu­ facturing and circulating fake currency. I would like to know whether the Government p p*< w i m m - of India would lake action against these *tf ftr ftrfw sfw W * faSRf Muthadhipaties in Mysore State who are in v t w w i **n*n w , f v s 'f f *rt wsnr dulging in this racket and whether they will nationalise these religious institutions. Is fiprrf *rf? the Government of India going to investigate into all this? MR. SPFAKFR : That is a separate question. That does not arise out of this. SHRI K.R. GANESH : He is giving an You may give a separate notice. It is not information. relevant.

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : Let the Mini- m a f^rrrt ^ ^ t$r- ster give a categorical reply to my question. i z 11 »TR5fw ^ n w h i | far M, R. SPEAKER : I did not know such things are done in your State. *rf % m far f a w ?t>t SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : I want a cate­ w i ^ t | i gorical reply to my question. These Mat ha- xr-ff n^r | eft ^ dhipaties are in league with the manufacture and circulation fake currency. May I know w r t f*K W TO* ^TnH?rfi n # 1 1 whether the Government of India will probe into this matter? MR. SPEAKER; It is not relevant. How is the Minister aware that you are going SHRI K. R. GANESH : This is an to ask how many people were arrested? You offence under the Indian Penal Code, It may give separate notice, 15 Oral Answers JUNE ll, 1971 Oral Answers I<'

MR. SPEAKER : After all , tile lwn . ~r g-~;r ;ti. shows that Government are callous over the issue. 51'~:'f ~r ;; ~ 7 MR. SPEAKFR : Not at all. MR:. SPEAKER : The question is whether +Lif wr.tr"J71' Government are aware about this and this .is ~ f't : ~:i'.l' +f':fi"ft '1:~6- ~ f'ti' ~iff ;:-. ~- ' ;)." :::,.. 3T~'ttlff ~i!T~~ : :qp:; "l1TEfOT "-·i'r I ,.,;.'. TT ..]),.- ;or"· ..-f -»1 ,f"\ '1'11"1~ "'1"?1 ~P -·p<"-1 q_l I"< *\J 1 ,._.,.1"'1 ""''·..,, 1 i'.l'f~ if f'f:(l·~· <1Tl"f ct·or.~ rri:r 1 B: ti 'F~ I THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHR.l YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : The hon. ~~~ ;r~fr~ : ~~ ~q-r;;;r s~· ~CiT~ if; Member is really shifting the ground of hi s question. As 1 have stated, we are starting f

SHRl K. R. GANESH : I have the figures as far as the counterfeit currency that has been ~r 3T~1il: +i"flll'~Rlf ~ 'l:Qr ~ f'f: ~r"{­ detected is 'concerned. As for the number t'l:rfi'l; 01:r 5flfTrr ~-il"fT 1 f'Til:'iff 9:r~;:c-"<-'lfic of persons arrested, we shall have to collect <~:t=l:ft' 'f'r 1;jj"Ts!IT 'i:ll' ~T ;;rm

aF*fff ^r *§er f t s tts h I % m (b) il so, thc rcacliou of Government in regard thereto? % TO-ifcr 3R ^rerr 11 % fo*r *tt ?rwr*< ?r vtf ?>r fa w fa*rr | fa THi; MINISTER OF STAIL IN THE ^r®Ff *nrr spt srarcr m , wffa ^r% fair MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR, SAROJIN1 MAH!SHI): s^rr^r zmzr k tft? r ^

SHRI K. R. GANESH ; lt is a yood (b) Thc suggestion is under examination. suggestion, and wc shall take that into con­ sideration. SHRI P. K. DEO : How far is the go­ vernment proposal to abolish the tax' Holiday SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : on hotel promotion going to be helpful in May I know whethei there is any truth in promoting tourism in thc country? thc repoit that some attempts had been made at duplicating and implicating some of our DR. SAROJINI MAHISH1 : We arc own current} in some ol our printing presses? going to have a debate on thc Demands for I would like to belivc that it is not true, but Grants when this can be discussed. even so, there ma\ be some truth in the report that there has been some attempts at dupli­ SHRI P. K. DEO : I Would like to have cating and triplicating some of our cuirency the Ministry’s reaction. in our printing presses ...... MR. SPEAKER : They will indicate it AN HON. MFMBLR: In thc Govern­ during thc debate at that time. ment printing presses.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : SHRI P. K. DEO : Aie they not capable That is what I mean, 1 meant thc Govern­ of replying now? ment printing presses. SHRI H. M. PATLL : Why should they SHRI YESHWAN1RAO CHAV AN : not reply now? As far as I am concerned. 1 have no such m- foimation; 1 have not received any such com­ DR. SAROJINI MAH1SHI : It is our plaints. view' that the hotel industry should also be encouraged. We shall have to abide by what­ SHRI K. MANOHARAN : Let him try ever view Government takes. to inquire. SHRI P. K. DEO : No less a person that SHRI YESHWANTKAO CHAVAN : the Chairman of Air India has categorically We shall have to make inquires, because it stated that while the 20 per cent tax on foreign seems to be an ingenious way of doing things. travel will yield Rs. 7 crores, Government in Air India would be losing Rs. 8.5 crores on SHRI ATAL H1HAR1 VAJPAYLL : this account. Air India being a government That is done. concerns, this is a matter of great concern to us. How far is this tax going to promote SHRI YASHWAN7 RAO CHAVAN : We tourism? shall look into this aspect. MR. SPEAKER: From the national National Plan for Tourism plan he has gone to the tax on fare, lt is not relevant. *430. SHRI P. K. DEO : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA­ TION be pleased to state : SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : What Shri Deo says is that a memorandum has been sent (a) whether the Travel Agents Associ­ by Air India to Government.. .. ation has urged Government to draw up a national plan for Tourism in the country in MR. SPEAKER : I have not permitt­ Consultation with thc industry; and ed him 19 Oral Answers JUNE H 1971 Oral Answers 20

national level? Let him say whether he has W f : $ i» w received a memorandum and what arc his (v>) % W *f STffifrf =sr^nf jt I WT ST.S- reactions. *TSq sr^W % n*TT 3fff * r W i‘ THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND f«OT ff fW r tff *ff *>< Wff Xfift fi?W - CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH): f3Tc£f Vf 5f|cr ftsff *W WW*T *<$r *fr< ^ f a The tax on foreign travel is part of the broader proposals which thc hi nance Minister and thc ^ qfer^rfa^ *rmr t» ^ ^ ^ Governmem have taken up and what % 5T|?r |1 % **\ n T O tfr lakes place between the Government depart­ wft?rifr3Rr % ^fasrffa?* **< * and 1 do not think that an individual la\ as such could be discuss­ SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Then you ed in this wjy AhUcnuptions) tell us what questions to ask. At this rate, why thc hell do wc have thc question hour? SHRI PARIPURNANAND PAINULI : Will the hon. Minister be please, to stay as to SHRI H. M. PATEL : I think thc whether the important shrines ofBadrinath question is very relevant. and the three Dhams and Ainarnath will be included as pan of internal tourism '' MR, SPEAKER : Will he repeat the question? DR. SAROJINI MAH ISM I : It is m fact part of internal tourism and man> impro­ (*p) vements to the existing tourist facilities arc being thought of. *r *rff % srw r Wcvr $ % w trrrft z f t w ft x tv r w w i n MR. SPl-AKL R ‘ The neM is Shu rtyx iff srmr I ^frfo zfrz * *§

DR. SAROJINI MAHISH1 : There MR. SPEAKER : Everything will be are many such places in the country, lt is there; your interests will be fully safe. for the State Governments to contribute their share for the development of such places. Universal Tjres Limited, Calcutta

SHRI S*M, BANERJEL : Is it a fact *432. SHRI JYOIiRMOY BOSU : Will that after the announcement of the 20 per the Minister ol COMPANY AFFAlRSeb cent levy on foreign travel, a memorandum pleased to state ; was submitted to thc Minister by Air India for reconsideration of the entire matter? ---- (a) whether the Industrial Licensing Policy Committee, on the basis of thc criteria laid down in its main report, vide paragraphs 2,1$ and 2.17 included M/s. Universal Tyres 1 would like to know whether he has takenLimited, 18/C Lake View Road, Calcutta 29 up the matter with the Finance Ministry and in the list ofBirla Group of Companies; if so the reaction of the Finance -Ministry., (hit erruptions) lt is relevant because it aifects (b) whether in 1969-70, the said compan tourism. The question is whether this tax received Rs. 2,23,199 as interest free loan from is going to affect serioulsy tourism at the Birla Brothers Private Limited; 21 Oral Answer JYAISTHA 21, 1893 ('Saka) Oral Answers* 22

(c) if so, whctitcr the Company Law (d) The examination of the latest infor­ Board in its letter No. J8(6)-I«RS/70, dated mation regarding the company’s sharehold­ the 301 h January, 1971, excluded Universal ing pattern and management control furnish­ Tyres Limited from the Birla House; and ed by it indicated that after the termination on 1.1.1969 of the Secretaries and Treasurcr­ (d) if so, on whai grounds? ship of M/s. Birla Brothers Pvt. Ltd., M/s. Universal Tyres Ltd.. did not factually attract THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THL an ' of the criteria connecting it with the Birla DEPARTMENT OF COMPANY AFFAIRS House as laid down in Para 2.16 re.td with (SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA) : (a) to 2.17 of the 1LPK* Report. (d). A statement is laid on the Table of the House. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : In the statement it has been admitted that this dummy Statement company, Universal Tyres, had received interest free loan from M/s. Birla Brothers, (a) M/s. Universal Tyres Limited was at one time to the tunc of Rs, 2,23,199--it must managed by M/s. Birla Borthers Private have been much more and a further loan of Limited as Secretaries and Treasurers when the Rs. 25,000 and that they had terminated the I.L.P.I. Committee included this company in secretaryship and treasurcrship of that company the list of companies shown b> it in its Report but the money that was given by Birla hi others as belonging to the Birla House. The Central as loan or whatever it is still remained in the Government in a Press Note issued on the 19th books and accounts as outstanding to them. February, 1970 regarding the modified in­ In lhe.se circumstances, how was the Govern­ dustrial Licensing Policy stated tote.-alia that ment so kind as to exclude Universal Tyres the individual companies/undertakings of the Limited from coming under the criteria for 20 Larger Industrial Houses listed by the inclusion in the Birla House? Industrial Licensing Policy Inquiry Committee which do not attract any of the criteria laid SHRI BLDABRATA BARUA : The in* down in Para 2.1b read with 2.17 of the 1LP1C terconnections of the big business houses may Report, may approach the Department of haw to be reviewed from time to time accord­ Company Affairs, for exclusion of their names ing to the information that we receive. 1 have from their respective Houses. It was in terms said that we have accepted the advice of the of this notification that M/s. Universal industrial licensing policy enquiry commitec Tyres Ltd., made an application for exclusion in regard to criterion. It does not appear from the Birla House on the ground that the to com; under the criterion about representa­ Secretaries and Treasurcrship of Birla Brothers tion in the Board or the 33 per cent equity Pvt. Ltd. in this company was terminated with capital and other conditions. It is effect from 1st January, 1969 and that none of true that the loan continued to be advanced the criteria laid down for the purpose by the till May 1969 even after the termination of the 1LP1C Report was applicable to it. managing agency-sec ret arysh ip of the company, but then and the resignation was itself sent in (b) The company received interest free May 1969 having retrospective effect from the loan from, M/s. Birla Brothers Pvt. Ltd. when 1st of January, 1969. Now, in view of this it was managed by the latter as Secretaries and the Company Law Board considered that Treasurers, The amount of loan outstanding criterion could not possibly be applied. In as on 31st December, 1968 was Rs. 2,23,199. case it is found that the 9.6 per cent share­ The company received further loan from M/s. holders in the Birla House appeared to take Birla Brothers Pvt. Ltd. to the extent of Rs. more interest or there appears some benami 25,000 during the period January to May, 1969. or dummy actually operating for the House of The loan outstanding for repayment to its Birlas, then steps will be taken to rope the erstwhile Secretaries and Treasurers as on company back into the house. 31tt December, 1969 has been shown in the Balance Sheet of M/s. Universal tyres Li- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : The hon. mited at Rs. 2,48,199. Minister lias admitted here that the existing regulation on criteria is insufficient to meet the (c) Yes, Sir. manipulatio and other things (hat they are 23 Ural Answers JUNE 11,1971 Oral Answer* 24

doing t oday. May 1 draw the attention of Government can in any case take a decision. the House to one criterion for inclusion in the Government feels that at present the deci­ house? I refer to lieai 2.Ki, sub-para 4, sion was correctly taken in thc light of thc which says “ ___the concern is found to have laets disclosed. special characteristics which would warrant their inclusion in the house” . May I ask the hon. Minister, in view ol this, v\hj is it that it SHRI K.. LAKKAPPA : My friend Shri was not included in the house? Also, Bosu has put a supplementary. But then here will thc Government now institute a is a State where one Ramakrishna Rao of through probe into the mattei and ti> to see Bangalore has taken from Birla; the Birlas that these loopholes are plugged and the com­ have nothing to do with this company. 1 am pany brought to book and included in the told that the Modi Co.. is trying to sabotage house?

M R.SPtAK.LR. Older, oulei. Lei the SHRI S.M. BANLRJLL . 1 would like Minister conclude. u> know whether this file was gone into by tlic Ministry of Industrial Development before SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA: I would u came to the Company Law Board, or thc like to assure the Members that in spite of this Company Law Boatd went into it before it decision, thc decision foi exclusion is not final. came to the Ministry ol industrial Develop­ At any stage, if it is found-1 beg to repeat u- ment, and whether it lias been made amply that the house of Birlas has taken more interest clear to them that in thc event of any suspi­ in the affairs of this company, or they have some cion that there is a visible or invisible hand of such control or if any discoveries come to light, Birlas, again there will be an enquiry into this even if their share interests do not appear to matter. be sizable, I can assure thc House that all possible steps will be taken. SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA : 1 About his first question, thc matter was decided iu SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Is the thc Department of Company Affairs because Government going to institute a probe into this Department is in charge of the appli­ this matter and includc this company in the cation of the law relating lo this particujw House? aspcct. Only this company is released froip the big business houses, thc question of licences SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA : The and other matters will go to the Industrial question of probe does not arise, and the Licensing Committee. Oral Ans wers JAISTHA 21,1803 (Sffitfl) Oral Answers 26

About his second question, as I have already and thc appellate order has been received on 'I CaSC thc hands of Bir|a become thc 13th May, 1971; as a result of the appellate ,hcrc ne^ to be no probe; Govern­ order thc demand of Rs. 1.39 lakhs stands ment can proceed suo mom and bring hack the reduced to about Rs. 91,000/- . Steps are company into the big business houses. being taken to recover this amount after giving detailed eflect to the appellate order.

Recover.' of Income Tax From SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : This is a free M /s Bird And Co., l td. country, a count 1 v which is the tax evaders" paradise. Our f inance Minister is levying *433. SHRI K. LAKKAP!'\ : Will the new taxes. 1 am m possession of a series of M.mster of FINANCl be plense.1 to „ aU. : literature regarding the nefarious activities of Bird and Companv. There was a raid by the customs authorities in March 1963 on thc (a) the amount of Income lax to be ie- company lor alleged violation of thc Sea covered from M/s Bird and Co.. I id.: Customs Act and Foreign Exchange Regulation Act Lven the wives of the (b) whelhei Government’', attir;iniion has Diieetors of this company draw monthly been drawn io the press icporfs jn '‘TJie Blit/" salai ie:- as if 1 hey are executives of the company, without in fact attending thc oflice. To that statedr « U. thru m "’ a MaV' s„m of N7'' Rs. " U4 hCre crorcs in ilha' is out- •’« ” extent mischief is done lo evade taxes. May I standing as Income-tax arrears ;ifiainsi M/s know whether the assessing officers of this Bird and Co.: 1 country have not made a in assessment of this company ? Arc there any high-ups involved in this matter to sabotage the collection of taxes K ) since when this am ount (ins been ftotn this company 7 What is the reaction of outstanding; and the Government. ..

(d) the steps taken 01 proposed in he MR. SPFAKTR : The Question Hour o realise this amount? js going to hr over. You want a reply or not?

THC MINISTER OJ STATl IN THI SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : Will the mini­ MINISTRY o r HNANCI (SHRI K.R. stry make an earnest effort lo constitute a (d) ThC amount ofdetailed ,nc°me* enquiry into the shady deals of this a* to be recovered from M/s Bird and Co company? Ltd. is R.s. 6M iakh<. MR. SPC.AKI R : Shall I declare the (b) Yes, Sir, but ihe correct amount of Question Hour to be over? 1 Want to punish Income-tax arrears is Rs. 6.66 lakhs and not you a little now. Ks. 1J4 crot^s-.

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : I want a reply, 0ul of thc (otaJ demand of Rs. 6.66 Sir. lakhs, Rs. 5.27 lakhs was raised-on‘the 31st July, 1967 and the balance Rs. 1.39 lakhs on the 6th March, 1970. SHRI K.R. GANESH : The hon. member has laid before the Mouse ail the alleged mis­ deeds of Bird and Company. This parti­ ft) The first demand of Rs 27 h i-k cular question relates to the specific issue of hftS bCCn

lT h n f ,0 f ^ 139 l * m the government would probe further into the disposal of appeal activities of such houses, 1 am not in a posi­ filed before rhc Appellate Assistant Commi­ tion to reply to that because this question does ssioner. This appeal has since been decide d not relate to that, 27 JUNE It, 1971 Written Answers 28

WRITTEN ANSWF.RS TO QUESTIONS Development of New Airports at Smaller Cities And Towns Representative of workers on theCoramittet to study the Administrative Structure *427. SHRI S.R. DAMANI : Will the of Indian Air lines. Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : *422, SHRI S.M. BANERJET : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL. AVIA­ TION be pleased to state : (a) whether his Ministry has drawn up a programme to develop new airports in smaller (a) whether a Five-Member committee cities and towns for extension of air services; to study the administrative structure of the (b) if so, the places chosen for the pur­ Indian Airlines, with special reference to pose; and labour-manau^ment problem*, has been formed; (c) the time by which the programme will (b) if so, whether any worker-representa­ be implemented? tive has been associated with this Commi­ ttee; and THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : tc) if not, the reasons for the same? (a) to (c), Three new airports have been included in the Fourth Plan at Tirupathi, THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND Shillong (Barapani) and Calicut. Work at CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : Tirupathi has already commenced and is (a). Yes, Sir expected to be completed in 1972- Work at Shillong (Barapani) and Calicut is also (b) and (c). The Committee consists expected to commence shortl>. of persons who arc experts in various bran­ ches ofmanagsnunt. it is meeting representa­ tives of the Unions and other employees ftftrfwrrew w'f wps ifan before preparing its report, and it was there­ fore not considered neeessar> to have a spe­ cial workers representative. * 4 3 4 . w r f iw r r Profitability of Madras-Singapore Routes afrc awf w r m W n tfr f*rr Operated by Air-India s»rr?r f a : *423. SHRI RATTANLAL BRAHMAN : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL (**') v w tfr I w f i w f w f ta r AVIATION be pleased to state : n7ft"T f w tot «rr w (a) whether Government have any plans 8 ; *ftr to improve the profitability of the Madras- Singaporc routes operated by Air-India; (»ar) % (b) whether Government have any long­ stf* f *s* Vf « w < smcr w term plan to utilise the potentiality of routes in v r tv n p v t & w * w u f v m the Pacific and Indian ocean areas; and fh r tV (c) if so, the broad outlines of the plan?

THE f MINISTER OF TOURISM AND f t m * fk m m w r r o w CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN STNGH) : (a) Load factors on this route have been ikfftfirTO V w ftft (tftfrjftiwwr): consistently satisfactory and every effect ( v ) R rw fiw n w is being made to improve them further. * ® w W > w ffw % « f» rc,’rtNr, w o t ? (b) and (c). While no plans have been fV w fP w rw v y t to % ftn? ^ formalised, the matter is reviewed from tim$ to time. ? * r f tt 29 W * * JYAISTKA 21, 199$ (SAKA) Written Ammn 30

(w ) f w lw m

Managing Director of Shankar Sugar declared during the year ended 30th September, MHto Calcutta 1969. *435. SHR? INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will the Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS (b) and (c). The Company Law Board, be pleased to state : while considering the proposal of the company considered various factors relevent including, the financial position, the size of the company

Years ended 30.9.67 30.9.68 30.9.69

Rs. Rs. Rs* (i) Paid-up capital 18,20,000 18,20,000 18,20,000 (ii) Turnover 1,80,50,504 2,82,45,538 2,32,96,458 (iii) Net profits under Section 198 14,61,133 18,38,140 3,99,155 (iv) Director’s Remunerations ;

(a) Sitting fees 2,700 3,275 2,100 (b) Commission Nil Nil Nil (c) Managing/Whole-time Director’s Manager’s remuneration :

<0 Salary Nil Nil . Nil (ii) Commission (iii) Perquisites and money value there- of

(v) Dividend (Rate 4t Quantum) declared 10% Nil on equity shares. 1,82,600 l,82$bo Written Answers i V NJ3 iU 1971 Written Answers 32

W taif % *rra nfcyfiw srrcwrsrem Agreement for Loan From U.S.A, v r v n N w *437. SHRI H.M. PATEL:* toil!* the Minister t)f FINANCE be - pleased to state*: *436. *ft rmrnrfTT : fa) whether an agreement for non-project *ft «ft. ?fTfa*jrr ^ : loan of Rs. 1T6.25 crorfcs Was recently signed with U.S.A.; ...... m ^ VcfR qft fTff *»*” T

(e) the names of projects for which the ( w ) m i q v m ?r m k w *tp$~ present loan is proposed to be utilised; and f^ r ^TKTn'-sr^Tn =fT * tf ^Tfaar STO r (d) thc amount, if any, left o\cr un­ utilised from the precious non-project loans (*r) v fe ?rr, rfi w-*T«r srm signed by U.S.A.. and thc manner in which thc amount was utilised or is proposed to be w r I ; r t r utilised,}

THF MINlSTrR OF FINANCE (SHRI ‘ (*t) < *rr

( 3:) sfcc ( m ) . sft sr i ? r anr^forr, ($ 170.0 milljort) by an amendatory apcrte- ?frf?m *??, *pfc raent signed on 22.4.197J. **rrf*r*nf ^^rrf^rxrr, gvpfjr, a p n f /m , ^ p t, (b) The non-project loans given by U.S.A. sfa; snfcr

I* (d) As on 1.5.1971, thc unutilised balance from thc previous non-project loans amount­ « t ed to Rs. 84 crores ($ 111.9 mitlion). This (»r) tfr ^Rrfar p wrOT-sr-jfr amount is fully covered with import recommen­ w f f < % srEffa fafavr ?sfr *r arr% I % dations and is expected to be utilised in thc *PW STTn* V f a f W &STT o TOlTTfafFT course. t l tff 3tH tT3f S^TY^f gef 5TR firff ft, Inadequate Facilities for Tourists in Mysore grw vrm *r fafrre tor?iW F ^apfrrff *ftr qf^M'nrwf attention has % tff«r ^-fasiTC 5 fi -a m 3? * «$w

(b) if so, the measureB proposed to be trainees who had obtained their Private Pilot taken by Government to provide more faci­ Licence and had done 150 hours of flying on lities? 31st March, 1970 have been permitted to avail of subsidised flying upto the maximum limit THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND of 250 hours, subject to tho usual conditions. CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : Trainees who had not completed 150 hours on (a) Government is aware of the general that date can do further flying at the non* inadequancy of accommodation and trans­ "subsidised rales of Rs. 75/- per hour. port facilities in the country, including Mysore. Credit Scheme For Technicians and Engineers (b) Thc following schemes have been taken up in Mysore State in the Central *440. SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF ; Sector:- Will thc Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (i) A 91-room luxury hotel has recently been opened by the India Tourism Develop­ (a) whether Govei nment have decided ment Coiporation in Bangalore. to introduce a fjuarantecd credit scheme under Oi) A Youth llo-tcl is being constructed which technicians and engineers would be at Hanipt provided financial assistance from the nation- lised banks to start industries with Govern­ (ni) The TravelIcih Lodge at Hassan is ment standing surety for them; being enlarged bj adding 20 rooms. (b) tlu* total investment envisaged under thc scheme; and Representation against Increased Fees in Flying Clubs (c) when the scheme is likely to come into operation ? *439. SHRI ATAI> BlHARI VAJ- PAYCr. : Will ihe Minister of TOURISM THF MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : YAS1IWANTRAO ClIAVAN): (a) to (c) . Credit Guarantee Corporation of India (Ltd.) (a) whether thc Flying Clubs have in­ has started a new ci edit guarantee scheme for creased their fees from Rupees 25 and Rupees providing guarantees covering credit facilities 40 per hour to Rupees 105 per hour since granted to small borrowers by banks in certajn" 27lh February, 1971 if so, the reasons for priority and neglected sectors. There is also this increase; a credit guarantee scheme for small scale indu s tries administered by the Industrial Finance (b) whether Government have received Department of the Reserve Bank of India. any representation from Co-openltive Hind These guarantee schemes would make for Flying Club Limited, U.P against thc ordei an easier flow of credit through nationalised of thc Director General, Civil 'Aviation, banks to small borrowers in priority and increasing the fees; and neglected sectors including technicians, engi­ neers etc. (c) if so, the action taken thereon? Allocation of Foreign Exchange to States THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIAL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : *441. SHRI MURASOU MAftAN W- (a) There h»s been no change in the hourly Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased rate for subsidised flying. However, in the to state: context of the prevailing unemployment amongs* holders of Commercial Pilot’s Licences, (a) whether there is any proposal to mak£ subsidised flying available to individual bulk allotments of foreign exchange to State trainees has been limited opto Private Governments which they themselves may bte Pilot's Licence standard (i.e. upto sixty able to release for various projects; hours) with effcct from 1st A pril'1971. (b) whether any request to this cffect has (b) and (c). Some representations were been made by any of the State Governments I cejved in the matter, and on reconsideration and 15 W rltt** Answers 1UNEit, lftl Written Ammr* M

(e) if so, the reaction of Government Rate* of Interest oa Deport* thereto ? *442. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN : THE MINISTER OF FINANCE SHRI Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased (YASHWANTRAO CHAVAN): (a) No, Sir. to state: (b) and (c). The question has been raised by some State Governments from time to time. (a) whehter the rate of interst on deposits In view of the present difficult foreign ex­ consequent on the increase in bank rate, has change situation and the complexities of also been increased,* and procedures relating to utilisation of aid from different sources, it is not feasible to make (b) if so, by what percentage ? bulk allocations of foreign exchange to State Governments. Requests for release of foreign THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI exchange from the State Governments are YASHWANTRAO CHAVAN): (a) Yes, Sir. considered in accordance with current policies hi this regard and retief is provided to the (b) A statement is laid on the Table of extent possible. the House.

S (atemen

(percent per annum)

effective effective Class of deposits 1st April, 1970 11th Jan, 1971

Current accounts and deposits upto 14 days No interest No interest

Savings accounts H * Deposits for IS days to 45 days Rate not to exceed 1J Rate not to exceed 2 Deposits for 46 days to 90 days H 3 Deposits for 91 days and above but less than 6 months 4 * i Deposits for 6 months and above but less than 9 months Deposits for 9 months and above but less than I year J Deposits for 1 year and above but less than 2 years H c Deposits for 2 yean and above but upto and indualve of 3 years 6 H Deposits above 3 years but upto and inclusive of 5 years H 7 Deftosit* above 5 years (upto and inclusive of 6 years) n (above 6 years) 7 37 Written Answers JYAISTHA 21,1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 38

U s* of Hiadi la the Resem Bank of India (b) Does not arise in view of the reply to (a). *443* SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (c) Regular or irregular repayment of (a) whether the Reserve Bank of India loans depends on many factors and it cannot be said that irregular repayment is confined have reconsidered the matter of attending only to a particular region. to the correspondence entered into with the Bank in the language of the Union; Rupee Value of U. S. Dollar (b) If so, whether necessary arrange­ ments now existing in the Bank for transact­ *445. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH; Will ing business in Hindi and if so, the nature and the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: extend thereof; and (a) whether Government are aware that (c) whether similar facilities exist in other the present Rupee value of U.S. Dollar in open Banks also? and black market is creating difficulties; and THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRT YASHWANTRAO CHAVAN): (a) Yes, (b) if so, the steps Government have Sir. taken or propose to take to eliminate black marketing in dollars ? (b) Yes, Sir. Arrangements have been made in the Public Accounts Department of the Reserve Bank to record,whenever necessary THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI specimen signatures of drawing disbursing * YASHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) and (b). Officers in Hindi and to accept and p m cheques Presumably, the Honourable Member is re­ bearing drawer’s signature or payee’s endorse­ ferring to the alleged unauthori 2ed transa­ ment in Hindi. Further, the standard ctions in foreign exchange and the reported forms used by the Public in their dealings with disparity between the official exchange rate the Bank are also being made available to them and the rates prevailing in the free market. in Hindi, whenever required. All authorized transactions take place only (c) Commercial Banks have generally on the basis of the official rate of exchange. taken steps to bring into use forms, pamphles Unofficial rates of exchange pertain to transac­ and other literature in Hindi and/or other tions, if any, which take place in contraven­ regional languages in addition to English. tion of the Exchange Control Regulations. In the context of the country's overall transac­ Agricultural Loan by the Nationalised Banks tions in foreign exchange, such illegal transac­ to Rural Areas tions are necessarily of a sporadic and marginal character. *444. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of FINA­ The Enforcement Machinery of the Govern­ NCE be pleased to state: ment is constantly on the vigil and takes action on individual cases that come to notice. (a) whether the units of the Nationalised Certain legislative measures are laso under Banks in the rural areas are able to meet fully contemplation for strengthening the existing the need for agricultural loan; provisions of the Law. (b) the regions where the units are not in a position to meet the need; and Subsidised Publication of University Level books (c) the regions where the loan advanced is not being repaid regularly? *446. SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR; SHRI A. N. CHAWIA ; THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI YASHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND (a) No, Sir; the needs for agricultural SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : credit are very large and it cannot be expected that the branches of the nationalised banks (a) whether Government have sponsored in the rural areas by themselves would be a scheme of subsidieed publication of Uni­ to meet these fully. versity level books; 39 Written Answers JUNE ii, 1971 Written Answers 40

(b) the subjects on which the said books ^ wr< faferm wt* ^ sw Iiave so far been published and thc number f a : of books published so far;

(c) the main features of the scheme; and (Hr) qpri *rjf< ffTUT 5f JT^rfW5Tn' mr< (d) the annual expenditure likely to be w fw jfcT *rr t o t * f t w | ; tfr< incurred by Government on thc scheme and whether the amoul earmaiked for the purpose (**) f r, m ft^rsT'iTc ^ f ^ i W is considered adequate? €( 3Ti^» ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL qfef afo JfHTV ftWRJf *T 3 t (ITO WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAVA) : : (qr) 5pffv; (**). sv- vr< % sr^rra viv v*n^w (a) Yes, Sir. W W % fair rr$ fmW (s^T fsrs) (b) and (c). A statement is> laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. S whether a Boeing-737 air craft of Indian Airlines was rcccntly involved in a |TiF w in Ua : Iigilining stoim and got dcmaged and pr&sunsation also failed in the air; and («tf) W ’rCVTV fc^K ^ R '<‘T (b) if so, the reasons why the Boil ding of if if f $ *«TrTT W tf4’3T fcST # thc Aircraft against lightning, which protects if f * r m w A ' v r planes from lightning threat, was not properly done ? (m ) m f %, THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND STW w | ? CIVILAVIATION : (DR. KARAN SINGH): (a) The investigation made into this matter a flr ( it o by the Civil Aviation Department does not. (V) (ff). ^ l wapift bring out any evidence of lightning having KFsgfa W?«T, KW sfr< tffaR struck the plane. ir g f a w s k t t *?f ■srrf'tff i (b) There was no defect in the bonding of thc aircraft. q*r< tf n r r m i frfiw w l Foreign Tourists Visiting Kerala *450. SHRIMATI BHARGAYI THANKA- *448. sft fir*rfa fa*r: t o < rfcr PPAN : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 41 Written Ans wers JYAISTHA 21 , 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 42

Civil Aviation) be pleased to state : (b) If so, the number of such cases pending (4) the number of foreign tourists who and the amount involved; and visited Kerala during the years 106°-70 Rrd 1970-7!; and (c) for how long these cases are pending and how much extra employment is envisaged (b) the foreign exchange earned as a directly or indirectly in ease these loam are result thereof ? materialised ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI CIVIL AVIATION (DR.. KARAN SINGH) : YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) to (c) . (a) and (b). jSinpe tourist arrival statistics Information is not readily available and the and estimated foreign exchange earnings are same will be placed on the table of the House compiled on an aU-lndia and not on a state- as soon as it becomes avialable. wise basis, specific information relating to tourists. visiting Kerala during the last two Auction for realisation of Arrears of years and foreign exchange earned from them Income-Tax are not available. 1889. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR Loan given to Collieries Producing Coking Coal STNGH : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 1887. SHRI 1NDFR J. MALHOTRA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to (a) Wh.'ther the Tax Reocvery Officer, state the number of collieries producing New Delhi had conducted an auction on 3rd coking coal whtth have been given amounts March, 1971 for realisation of Income Tax over Rs. 5 LaVlis as loan since 1%9 ? dues amounting to thosand of rupees from certain parties; THF MINISTER OF FINANCF (SHRI th) if so, the exact nature of demand, the (YrSHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : Statistics name of the parlies and the actual amount regarding bank advances to col’ieiies fetched at this public auction; and producing coking coal are not mantuincd separately. (c) the reason* for resort ing to this method by the authorities and whether the parties had Ixrans for Development of Coal Mines In asked for more time to clear up their dues in West Bengal and Biliar instalments ?

* * 1888. SHRI INDER J. MALHOTRA : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R, to state : GANESH) t (a) Yes Sir. The property bearing No. 112-113, Gautam Nagar, New Delhi was (a) whether any cases of loans put to auction. required for the development of coal mines West Bengal and Bihar are pending; (b) The information is given as under ;

Name of the Exact nature of The actual amount fetched at party demand this public auction 1. £ 3

Shri M. R. Dhawan Prop. Income tax arrears Nil, rs the hi^heM M/s M. R. Dhawan & amounting to Rs. bidofRs. 1,25,000 was Co., Asaf Ali Road New 33,63*119 as on rejected by the Tax Delhi. the 31st March,1970 Recovery Officer being inadeq uat. Written Ameers JUNE 11,1971 Written Ameers 44

(c) The assessee was in default for non­ (a) whether Government are aware of the payment of huge arrears of Income-tax over growing requirements for school and college a number of years. He did not approach the education facilities in Delhi; and Income-tax authorities for payment of the arrears in instalments; on the contrary the (b) if so, what are the future plans to meet question regarding recovery of arrears was these requirements ? discussed with him a number of times by the income-tax autho -Ifies but the assessee was THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE non-cooperative . The sale of the property MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 7o7n *l,y scheduled for lhe 17th November, WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 70 i£ was kept in abeyance at the specific OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAVA): request of the assessee as he himself wanted to (a) and (b). The requisite information is find out a customer for sale of the property bsing collected from the educational authori­ 7 r neg0tiations* However, neither any serious ties in Delhi and will be laid on the table of effort? were made by the assessee in this respect the Sabha as soon as possible. nor any concrete proposals put forward. The mode of sale by auction had thus to be resor­ ted to in the interests of revenue. Special Increment demanded by Graduates working in L. 1. C. Provision to build a port at Chandbali in 1892. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR District Balasore, Orissa. SINGH : Will the Minister of FINANCE 1890. SHRT ARJUN SETHI : Will the be pleased to state : Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : (a) whether Graduates working in the Life Insurance Corporation have been demanding any special increments for (a) whether there is any provision to themselves from the Corporation; build a port at Chandbali in the District of Balasore,Orissa to strengthen our transporting (b) if so, the reasons for non-acceptance facility and Navy in the Eastern part of of this demand; and India; and (c) the likely recurrent expenditure per

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANS­ YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) (a) and (b ). PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) and The L. I. C. had been giving at the time of (b). The executive responsibility for develo­ confirmation in service two special increments pment of ports other than major ports vests to graduates recruited to the cadre of Assistants. in the State Government concerned. The Such increments were, however, not allowed Government of India however gives loans to to employees who passed the degrees examination the State Governments under the Centrally after their entry into the service* since it was Sponsored scheme for the development of one felt that such an incentive would encourage selected port in each maritime State. For absenteeism especially during the examination this purpose, Gopalpur in Orissa has been months. Recently the L1C took a policy selected. As regards Chandbali, the Govern­ decision not to place any restrictions on the ment of Orissa have intimated that they have prosecution of part-time studies. In the light not made any provision for the development of this decision, it has now decided that with of this port. effect from 1.4.71 the increments will be given to all employees who had passed their gradua­ tion examination after 1.9.1956 while they Education facilities in Delhi were in the assistant's grade and had not recei­ ved the special increments for graduation. 1891. SHRT H. K. L, BHAGAT : Will Hits benefit will, however, not be available the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL to those who acquired the degree qualification WELFARE be pleased to state : after they had been promoted to higher cadres «J m in e * Answers JYAISTHA 21,1893 (SAKA) Written Answers like Section Heads, Higher Grade Assistants, Superintendents. w ff % »wprw (c) Rs. 25 Lakhs per annum (approxi­ mately). 1882* iTo m f i m x v m

(a) whether Government contemplate (*?r) s*Rf % f*rr bringing forward any legislation with a view to contral increase in freight levies by m«rrf tfr I; tfh international shipping lines whose ships touch Indian ports; and (*t) if w % srnfrr % f w < r * t a I ? (b) whether this is necessitated because of another 15 per cent freight rise contemplated by the Conference of Shipping Lines ? fawn wK* fwwf v fo t riroro sw 'fegftr firHtn if w *flr («ft f t * f t * THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY : ($) ft (*r). AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANS­ T O ta ^ 3* fawftmswf PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) At present no such legislation is contemplated. JFcWOTT *Krf ^ #3r< ftjq S *fr< w fnrq: I w n r f « w r (b) A Government Delegation is presently discussing the proposed increase of 15 per­ * fa w rt i cent by the India-U. K. Conference on 11th «rnfpr % w w $r «flrc vtf srwi* and 12th of this month and the outcome of these discussions is awaited. f w w *ranrfrr S f t wrftwwwy yr jRnn«nr % ftn? fee? wi*r

’F. wjiftftar f^99rfar@rm 4- 6-71 n v *r. flrwrPwrr«ww*rr*T s r r o «r?rrfvcr*rs w ^ W pPT

w q W»$ i. Y^'fotfnnrtrar 15, 59,250 10, 00,000 1, 50,000 а . 8,34,336 5,56,224 5,00,000 3. ’aftwfr wftrBrrw * 11, 09,900 * 6, 21,000 * 50,000 4 . xf%iNr< ^Mfvrarrmr 6, 50,000 4, 35,000 4, 30,000 5 . 5,72,600 3,72,600 3,72,600 б. faffftatftnrm m m « s 4,20,744 4,15,000 47 Written An wers JUNE II, 1971 Written Anwers 48

Visit of Indians to U.S.S.R. under Agree­ (a) whether some contraband items ment Governing Cooperation between which were imported by an officer of the India and U. S. S. R. Nigerian Diplomatic Mission, were detected by the Customs Staff at Palam Airport in the 1895. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY : Will month of January, 1971; and the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL (b) if so, the action taken by Government WELFARE be pleased to state : . . . . against the importer ? (a) how many under-graduate students post-graduate students;, research 'scholars THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (doctoral) .anti post-dQCtocal research scholars MINISTRY OF FINANCE ( SHRI K. R. have gone to the Soviet Union from India GANESH) :(a) and (b). Some goods were seized under the agreements governing co-operation by the Customs staff at Palam Airport in the between the Government of India and the month of January, 1971. The Nigerian High U. S. S. R. in the field of science, technology Commission extended fullest co-opcration to and culture signed on 12th February !%0, the Government of India m the mstu r and the from the time of’its inception; officer concerned has left India shortly there­ (b) the break-up of this figure according after. tp the number of persons State-wise and year- wise for the last three years; and World Bank Aid for Pilot Family Projects

(c) the number according to duration 1897. SHRI MUHAMMAD SHERIFF : of stay, number of persons from different Will the Minister of FINANCf be pleased Universities and in case of agricultural subjects, to state : break-up of the figures crop-wise, during the last three years, year-wise ?

T o ta l: 297 Dens for Sale of LSD in India

1898. SHRI C. CH1TTIBABU; Will (b) statement No. I is laid on the Table the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to of the House [Placed in Library .state : See No. LT-386/71J* (c) statement No. II is laid on the Table of (a) whether dens to sell LSD to young the House. [Placed in Library See people have spring up in Various cities and that No. LT-386/71] trafficking in narcctic* has been *on-the increase in our country;

Seizure of Contraband Goods at Palam (b) whether this trafficking in narcotics/ Afrport drugs has international ramifications; and

1896. SHRI DALIP SINGH;Will the (c) the steps Government propose to Minister of F1NAKCE be pleased to state .* take to root out this evil? 49 Written Answ ers JYA1STHA 21,1993 (SAJCA) Written Answers 50

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Dilapidated Condition of Permanent Liability MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R. Camps fn W est Bengal GANESH) : 1900. SHRI S.C. SAMANTA : Will the (a) There is no information with the Go­ Minister of EDUCATION & SOCIAL WEL­ vernment that dens to sell LSD to young people FARE be pleased to state : have sprung up in various cities in this country. (a) whether the Committee on Review of Regarding trafficking in narcotics (L.S.D. Rehabilitation Work in West Bengal have is a psychotropic substancc), reports for the drawn the attention of Government to the last four years received from the various en­ miserable plight of refugees living in Per­ forcement agcncics indicate that trafficking in manent Liability camps due to their dilapi­ narcotics is on thc increase. dated condition; (b) the reasons for not maintaining the (b) Yes, Sir. Trafficking in narcotics camps in habitable conditions; and has international i amifications. (c) thc steps being taken for thc iirircc'jatc (c) All the enforcement agencies both of repairs of those camps? State and Central Governments concerned with suppression of illicit traffic in narcotics, such as State F a c is c , Polics, Customs and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Central Lxcise, Cential Bureau of Narcotics. MINISTRY OF EDUCATION & SOCIAL Cential Bureau oflnvestigation Border Secu­ WELFARE (SHRI K.S. RAMASWAMY): rity Force and Railway Protection 1-orcc are (a) No, Sir. Their report is yet to be on ilie alert. Preventive measures have been submitted. tightendcd in the opium growing areas. Gene­ ral anti-smuggling measures have also been (b) and (c). Central Government provides strengthened at the land borders and vulnera­ funds for annual repairs and albo additional funds* for periodical and immediate repairs ble sectors of thc coast. as and when asked lor by the Slate Govern­ ment who are primal ily responsible for running Scholarships to t larijaus and Tribal Students and maintenance of these Homes.

1899. SHRI G .Y . KRISHNAN : Will Archaeological Discovery at New Building the Minibtei of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL site of Delhi High Court WELFARE be pleased to state : 1901. SHRI R.R. SINGH DEO; Will the Minister of CULTURE be pleased to state : (a) whether the amount and number of scholarships given to thc Harijans and forest (a) whether an important and significant students has gone down in terms of indivi­ archaeological discovery has been made at the dual student during the last three years; site where the new building for the Delhi and High Court is proposed to be constructed; and

(b) if so, to what extent? (b) if so, whether Government propose to excavate the site further? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION & SOCIAL THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE WELFARE (SHRI K.S. RAMASWAMY) : MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL (a) No, Sir. All thc eligible Scheduled WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT Caste and Scheduled Tribe students (irres­ OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAVA); pective df their number) are to be awarded (a) Yes, Sir. scholarships under the Post-matrlc Scholar­ ships scheme in accordance with the rates laid (b) It has been decided to excavate the 'tawfl under the scheme, site further and finish the work by 15th July, 1971. The site is* however, at present under (b) Question does not arise. the occupation of Army authorities and the 11 W riim Anm ert n s m n t i m Written Answers 32

Ministry of Defenfce have been approached to Overtimes ABowam# to Swtrpafi ffcMutes Bet the site vacated. The excavation work Mid Chowkidars of the Central Gm v m M will start as soon as the site is vacated by the Atmy authorities. 1904. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : Payment of interim Rtltef to the Supervisory staff in Public Undertaking* (a) the circumstances in which Sweepers 1903. SHRI- INDRAJ1T GUfTA: Will Farashes and Chowkidars in the employment of the Central Government are being treated the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : differently in the matter of Overtime Allowance (a) whether any directive was issued to than other Class IV staff drawing the same the managements of public sector undertakings scales o? pay; regarding the payment to their Supervisory ttaff (drawing salaries up to Rs. 1,250/* per (b) whether such discrimination is in month) of the interim relief sanctioned for the conformity with the Ministry of Finance Central Government employees; Circulars of 31st December*, 1965 and 13th (b) if so, the particulars of the said direc­ February 1970 on the subject of Overtime tive; Allowance; and

(«) whether Government are aware that tc) the reason for continuing the "emer­ no uniform pattern is being followed and in gency** rates of overtime allowance even after many cases interim relief, is not being given the proclamation of emergency has beem to the staff concerncd from 1st April, 1970 withdrawn ? but from a subsequent date or dates, there by causing serious discontentment among the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE staff; and MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. GANESH) :

(c) As the pay and allowances of the won- supervisory employees of Central Government ms. fcHW. D. K. •• Witt the undertakings have their linkages with Wage Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state ; Board awards, Labour Tribunal uvwrdt, bipartite agreements/Tripartite agreements, etc; and in the case of other employees, these (a) the total number of tender* received are determined by the managements of the by the Paradeep Trust Board for construction respective enterprises* there are bound to be of the General Cargo berth; some inter-company differences in atfewancas* including the additional allowances granted to (b) whether the Orissa Construction employees in some form or the other, by some Coiporation is one of the tenderers; and enterprises,after the grant oftotcrwn relief to Central Government employees. (c) whether Government have decided to entrust the construction work to the Orissa (d) No Sir. Construction Corporation ? 5S Written Ans wers JYAISTHA 21,1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 54

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY Construction of Ships at Cochin Shipyard AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANS- PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :(&) In 1907. SHRI S.M. KRISHNA: all four tenders were received by the Paradeep SHRI P. GANGADEB: Port Trust for the construction of the SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF. General Cargo Berth. Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : (b) Yes.

(c) No. (a) whether Government have taken any decision to start construction of ships at the Cochin Shipyard; Retired Officers in the Nationalised Banks (b) if so, how many ships will be built annually; and 1906. SHRI B.K. MODAK : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (c) what will be the expenditure involved? (a) the total number of retired officers THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY in the nationalised Banks re-appointed after AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS­ their retirement; PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) Yes, (b) the reasons for their re-appointment; Sir. Thc Government of India have sanction­ ed thc Cochin Shipyard Project with a building (c) whether Government have received dock for ships of 66,000 DWT and a ship any memorandum protesting against this action; repair dock to accommodate ships upto 85,4)00 and DWT. The work on the construction of the Shipyard is in progress. It is expected that (d) if so, the action taken on the basis the keel of the first ship to be built at the of the memorandum? Shipyard may be laid early in 1974.

THE MINISTER OF FINANCF (SHRI (b) The production target is two ships of 66,000 DWT cach per annum. YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN): (a) At present there arc sixty one retired bank (c) The estimated cost of the Cochin officsrs reappointed in the nationalised Shipyard Project is Rs. 45.42 crores, A pkn banks. for ship-building (as distinct from the cons­ (b)to(d). Government have not received truction of the Shipyard) and training of any memorandum protesting against re­ personnel therefor are programmed to be worked out later this year. appointments of officers though some natio­ nal ished banks have received such ^presen­ tations. The programme of large .scale branch Demands of Higher Secondary aad Frinwiy expansion undertaken sincc nationalisation as School Teachers w Delhi aim the diversification of credit pattern have created serious problems of shortage of trained 1908. SHRI S.M. BANERJEE, and experienced manpower. With the increas­ SHRI A.N. CHAWLA : ing activities of the banks, it is essential that suteqpate number of officers wi-th specialised Will the Minister of EDUCATION knowledge m i expertise become availabele AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to State : to them. The various training schemes and recruitment procedures in the banks are being- (a) whether the demands of the teachers further looked into but in the meanwhile, in of Higher Secondary and Primary Schools hi the interest of work, it has been necessary to Dslhi have been considered; reappoint some retired bank officers. The Bowndfl of Directors of the banks are com­ (b) if so, the decision taken by Gonwo- petent lo deft! with aU matters relating to staff. ment thereon; and Thant (Boards are vigilant and extensions or re-appointments are given only in selective (c) whether any financial aid has been cue*. given to raise their salaries? 55 Written Answers JUNE 11,1971 Written Answers 56

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE be plea sed to state : MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHPI D.P. YADAVA) : (a) whether the Life Insurance Corpo­ (a) and (b). Th? pay scale of teachers in ration has introduced a new policy callcd the Delhi were revised with effect from 27.5.70. “ Centenary” policy; and Further representations made in this regard are under consideration of Government. (b) if so, the main features of this policy? (c) As the expenditure on pay and allo­ wances of teachers in Delhi is met out of Con­ THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI solidated Fund of India, the question of giving YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) The any financial aid to Delhi Administration for L.T.C. has introduced wilh effect from l.45.71 the purpose does not arise. a new policy known as “ Centenary Policy” to suit the needs of people with fluctuating Amount granted to the Central Government incomes. It is primarily meant for people Employees as a Result of Successive Pay from ruralareas though it will also be issued Commission’s Awards to people from urban areas. 1909. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN Ml- SHRA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be (b) The distinguishing feature of this policy pleased to state : is that if a defuall occurs m thc payment of premiums, not more than ovee in eveiy block, (a) the amounts granted to tne Central of three years subscqi crt It thc Frt ivo Government employees as a result of the su­ years, the policy does not lapse but is kept in ccessive Pay Commissions* award since 1965; force if the policyholder contirues pujn tr.t of and other premiums unclci the policy. Reduction (b) tho number of various categories of in the Sum Assured are cffecUd depending on employees who have been benefited by thc« the number of defaults. awards ? Expenditure incurred on Advertising it Is by THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Public Undertakings THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. Rt GANESH) : (a) and (b). 1911. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN Since 1965 only the Third Pay MISHR4 : Will the Minister of FINANCE Commission has been appeinted by the be pleased to state : Government to review the question of pay structure and other conditions of the service (a) the amount spent by the Public Sector of all Central Government employees. Thc Undertakings on advertisements during the Third Pay Commission has submitted an in­ years 1968, 1969, 1970 separately; and terim report on * ‘Interim Relief”. The Interim Relief as recommended by the Third Pay (b) the expenditure incurred on this, Commission at rates ranging from Rs. 15/- account during the period from November to Rs. 45/- per mensem according to pay ranges 1970 to April, 1971. has been sanctioned to the Central Govern­ ment employees drawing pay upto Rs. 1250/- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE p.m. with effect from 1st March 1970. This MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R. benefit has been granted to all regular Centra! GANESH): (a) and (b). According to Government employees and workcharged information available, the Central Government establishment entitled to dearness allowance industrial and commercial undertakings spent numbering in all to about 27 lakhs. nearly Rs. 557 lakhs on advertisements during 1968-69 . As this is a matter, which comes Introduction of LIC’s New “Centenary” within the sphere of day-to-day administration Policy of the enterprises, Government do not keep 1910. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MI- any record of expenditure incurred on this SHRA: Will the Minister of FINANCE account. 5t Written Answers JYAISTHA 21,1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 58

Investment made by Industrial Development (b) Out of the 13 units assisted by the Bank Of India and Industrial Finance Industrial Finance Corporation of India in Corporation of India Rajasthan, 12 unit$ arc in prodtciicr. The 1912. SHRI N.K. SANGHI . Will thefinancial assistance to the remaking cne unit Miniser of FINANCE b i pleased to was sanctioned recently iti February, 1971. state : (a) the quantum of investment so far (c) The refinance assistance sanctioned by made by the Industrial Development Bank of the Industrial Development Bank of India to India and Industrial Financc Corporation of the Rajasthan State Financial Ccrporatim in India in Rajasthan and how it compares with respect of its loam to sa.mll scale industries all-India investment; (including small road transport operate rs) during the fiscal year 1968-69 amounted to Rs. (b) the number of units to whom loanb 16.60 lakhs, In 1967-68, however, the above have been granted by the Industrial Finance Corporation had not availed of any refinance Corporation of India and how many of them assistance from the Industrial Development are in the production stage now; and Bank of India. the Industrial Development Bank of Inrta Statement for re-finance to the Rajasthan State Finance Corporation on its loans to small scale indus­ Financial Assistance sanctioned and Dis­ tries during the year 1968-69 is only about 60 bursed by the Industrial Finance Corporation per eont of that of the previous year and if so , of India and Industrial Development Bank the reasons thereof’’ of India to Industrial Concerns all over the THfc MINISTER. OF FINANCE (SHRI Country since their Incepliiion in July, 1948 YtSHWANTRAO CHAVAN) ; (a) the and July 1964 Respectively upto the end of required information is given in the attached March, 1971 and also to Industrial coocrens Statement. located in Rajasthan*

(Rs. in lacs)

All Industrial Industrial % o f concerns. concerns in (2) to Rajasthan. 0 ) (I) (2) (3)

Industrial Finance Corparation of India (Rupee loans, foreign currency loans, under­ writing & Deferred payment guarantees)

SANCTIONED (EFFECTIVE) 36274.68 1603.49 4.4 DISBURSEMENTS 31278.54 1439.67 4.6 Industrial Development sank of India. A, Direct and indirect Assistance. (Loans, underwriting of and direct subs­ cription to shares and debentures, refinance bills) * loans and rediscounting of

SANCTIONED (EFFECTIVE) 39360.50 893.10 CASH DISBURSEMENT 2.27 30972.40 712.00 2.30 B. Guarantee for Loans SANCTION (EFFECTIVE) 2986.90 EXECUTED 278.10 9.31 1960.10 278.10 14.19 59 Written An swers JUNE 11, 1971 Written Answers

NOTE : Thc assistance sanctioned by a (a) whether a number of visitors coming financial institution depends on to Delhi from outside have been cheated by the number of eligible applications the three wheeler scooter drivers by being presented to it in a State. On over-charged; their part, in order to promote flow of viable proposals and to (b) whether complaints have also been indentify thc industrial potential received about rude behaviour of these drivers in the backward regions. The towards visitors; and IDBI in collaboration with the (c) if so, the remedial steps to be taken Reserve Bank of India, Agricultural Refinance Corporation, the In­ in the matter? dustrial Finance Corporation of THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY India and the Industrial Credit AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS­ and Investment Corporation of PORT fSHRI RAJ BAHADUR): (a) and India has already conducted a (b). The Delhi Administration have stated survey of Rajasthan, to assess that complaints have been received against the infra-struciure facilities, supply drivers of three-whellcr scootcrs fcr over of raw materials and market pros­ charing and rude-behaviovr?. As the com­ pects for developmnct of indus­ plainants do not always indicate whether they tries which could be advontage- are residents of Delhi or visiters fiom other ously located in this St&tc. The places, it is not possible to state the percentage Survey Report is being finalised or complaints made by visitors. and the necessary follow up action will be undertaken when thc re­ (c) The Delhi Administration have stated port j$ ready. that they have taken the following steps

Complaints Regarding Non-Payment of Taxes (i) A Special Cell has been created in the fcy Businessmen possessing Assets of Directorate of Transport, Delhi, to attend to Rs. 5 Crores and above complaints of mis-behaviour, refusal and over­ charging against taxi/auto-rickshaw drivers. 1913. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will This office works round the clock and com­ the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to plaints can also be registered on telephone state : (No. 224379) to be followed by written state­ ments. On receipt of such complair.ts, the (a) the number of businessmen whose Enforcement Staff of thc Department serves assets exceed rupees five crores and against notices on the erring drivers/owners under the whom complaints regarding non-pa>mcnt of relevant provisions of thc Motor Vechides income tax,wealth tax and gift, tax have been Act, 1939, and the Rules framed thereunder. received durirg the last three years; and The Enforcement StafT is also deployed for dealing with public complaints against auto* (b> thc action taken on each such com­ rickshaw/taxi drivers on the spot for over­ plaint? charging, misbehaviour and refusal to carry passengers. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (ii) Permanent complaint booths have MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R. been set up at the old Delhi and New OANESH): (a) and (b) The information Delhi Railway Stations, Inter-State Bus ter- is not readily available and is being coilec ted. minus and Palam Airport, which function It will be laid on the Table’of the House as round the clock. Besides, complaint booths soon as it is collected. have also been set up at the Regal, Daryaganj, Chandni Chowk and Gurudwara Road, which Over-charging by Driven of three winder function in the evenings. Whenever a repcrt scooters in Delhi is made against any driver, the complaint is recorded at the complaint booth, 19J4. SHRI G.Y. KRISHNAN: Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS­ (iii) Special police stair is deputed daily PORT be pleased to state : in a mobile van from 9.00 P,Mf till the close of 69 W,itmAn*mr* JYAISTHA 21,1893 (SAKA) Writttn A w e n 70

(xii) Speed limits have been fixed on many (iii\ State Governments and Union roads and indicated on boards. Territories. (xiii) Two moblic courts function round The National Institute of Education and thc month for on-the-spot prosecutions and Regional Colleges of Education have complet­ trial. ed the work according to schedule.

Besides the above measures, the limits of A majority of State Governments and fine, which may be imposed for driving at Union Territories have also completed the work excessive speed, under Scction 115 of the and, as for the rest, the delay is mainly because Motor Vehicles Act, have been enhanced. of some administiative problems in setting up The Government of India have also appointed a suitable machinery for scrutiny. The Natio­ a Study Group on Road Safety (a) to enquire nal Council of Educational Research and into the incidence of road accidents, both in Training is in constant touch with the State urban areas and on highways in India, and Governments, and making every effort to ascertain the causes of such acciderK (b) to complete the work as earl> as possible. recommcnd a suitable organisational set up for collection and analysis of data/statistics Scheme to Co-ordinate Activities of Tourism relating to such road accidents, the measures and Archaeological Departments. necessary for education of road users in road safety etc. 1924. SHRI P. VENKATASUBB1AH: Scrutiny of School Text Books By National Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: Council of Educational Research And Training. (a) whether Government are aware that there is a lack of coordination between Tourism 1923. SHRI TEJA SINGH SWATAN- TRA : Will the Minister of EDUCATION and Archaeological Departments with the result that all thc placcs of tourist attraction AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to are not properly high-lighted; and state : (b) whether there is any comprehensive (a) whether the crash programme of scheme to co-ordinate the activities of these National Council of Educational Reseatch two Departments so as to provide more litera­ and Training to scrutinise school text books ture on places of tourist attraction and also prescribed i n al 11 he States and to delete passages for the proper upkeep of centres of archaeolo­ detrimental to national integration has not gical importance? made much headway; (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : (c) the steps taken to expedite the pro­ (a) and (b). A comprehensive scheme has gramme? been evolved which envisages coordinating committees at both the Central and local levels, THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE and thc creation of administrative machinery MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL to take follow up action. WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE : (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : (a) to (c). The crash programme visualised Invitation to Rhodesia to Participate in 1972 scrutiny of school textbooks through the Olympic following three agencies:— 1925. SHRI A.K. SAHA: Will the (i) National Institute of Education of Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL the National Council of Educational Research WELFARE be pleased lo state : and Training; (a) whether Government are aware that (ii) Regional Colleges of Education of Rhodesia has received an official invitation to the National Council of Educational Research take part in the 1972 Olympic Gaines to be and Training; held in Munich, Germany; and ?! Written Answers JUNE 11,1971 Written Answers 72

Cb) if so. the reaction of Government (a) the total amount of loan given by the thereon ? Public Sector Financial Institutions in the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE financial years 1969-70 and 1970-71; and MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL (b) the names of persons or institutions WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) : which have received loans to the extent of (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. Government of India rupees fifty lakhs or more during the above has since co-sponsored a resolution for period ? adoption by the United Nations Com­ mittee on Colonialism dcploiing the Inter­ THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI national Olympic Oommi'tee's continued YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a> and recognition of the so«ca1hd “ National Oly­ (b). The required information m respect of mpic Committee of Rhodesia” and the invi­ the two All India Public Sector financial in­ tation extended to Rhodesia to participate stitutions namely the Industrial Development in the forthcoming Olympic Games at Munich Bank of India and Industrial Hnancc cor­ and urging the International Olympic Commi­ poration of India is given in Statements I & 11 ttee to take urgent steps to suspend the so- laid on the Table of the House. [Placed called “ National Olympic Committee of in Library. See No. LT-387/7IJ Rhodesia’' from its membership and annual forthwith the invitation to Rhodesia for the ‘Book Banks’ in Secondary Schools and Olympic Games at Munich. The resolution Higher Educational Institutions was adopted. The Indian Olympic Associa­ tion is also bsing informed accordingly. 1928. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU :Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL Injustic done to Former Deput} Librarian, WbLFARL he pleased to state : National Library, Calcutta. (a) whether the Education Commission 1926. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 1964-66 recommended that - Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : (i) a programme o f ‘Book Banks’ should be developed in Secondary Schools and in (a) whether a memorandum dated 1st Institutions of higher education and July, 1970 signed by National Professors. Vice-Chancsllors, eminent educationists, well (ii) grant for the purchase of books should known historians and other intellectuals was le made to more talented of the students; submitted to the former Education Minister (b) if so. the steps taken by Government drawing the attention of Government to the to implement the said recommendations; and injustice done to the former Deputy Librarian, National Library Calcutta; (c) the results of the steps so far taken?

(b) if so, the text of the memorandum and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE the names of signatories; and MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL (c) the steps taken by Government to WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT remedy the injustice causcd to him? OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) ; (a) Yes, Sir. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL (b) and fc) . As School Education is a WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT State subject and the Education Commission OF CULTURE (PROF. D.P. YADAV) : has recommended that the Stale Education (a) No, Sir. Departments should have a fund at their disposal to assist book-banks in secondary (b) and (c). Question does not arise. schools, the recommendation of the Commi­ ssion has been forwarded to State Govern­ Loons given by Public Sector Financial ments for their consideration and necessary Institutions to Presons/Institations action. 1927. SHRI JAGADISH BHATTA- CKARYYA: Will the Minister of FINANCE As for institutions of higher education, be pleased to state : the University Grants Commission has recentU 73 Written Answers JYAISTHA 21,1893 (SAKA) Written Answers approve d the following programmes -covering THE MINISTER OF FINANCE students amenities and welfare, (SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN): A statement giving the required information (1) Grants to colleges for establishing is laid on the Table of the House [Placed or developing book-banks— in Library. See N O .LT.—388/71 ) Rs. 52.00 lakhs Loans and Aids Received from Foreign Countries <2} Establishment of Text Bool Centres in residential areas Rs. 1^0. ” 1931. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: SHRI M. M. JOSEPH: Reosurces made available to Joint Stock Will the Minister of FINANCE be Ccmp«mes by Institutional F in an d P l Agents pleased to state:

1929. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: (a) the total amount of loans and Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased aids received by India from foreign coun­ to state : tries (country-wise) upto 30th April, 1971; and (a) thc total amount Qf resources available in Joint Stock Companies by each (b) the amount paid towards interest, Institutional financial agency in India and debt servicing charges and capital repay­ abroad (including WoiId Bank and other ment to each country for these loans international financial institutions sepa­ during the current year and the amount rately) year-wise during the last three to be paid during the succeeding three years; years ?

(b) the share of 75 large and 20 THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI larger business houses in thc total reso­ YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN).* (a) and1(b). urces made available by each of the Two Statements ^No. 1 ond II) containing institutions during thc same periods; and the details required are laid on the Table of the House. (c) the shaie of the Houses of Tata, [Placed in Library. SeeN o.L T —389/71 J Birla, Sahu Jain, Bangur, Goenka, Mafat- lal and Martin Burn in thetctal resources Assitance to Nigeria for Building made available by each of the institutions Shipping Industry during the same periods ? 1932. SHRI B K, DASCHOWDHURY: THE MINISTER OF FINANCE SHRI N. S, BISHT: (SHRI YFSHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : SHRI M.M. JOSEPH: (a) to (c). The information is being Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND collected and will be laid down on thc TRANSPORT be pleased to state : Table'of the House. (a) whether Government of Nigeria LIC’s Investment In Industrial and Non- have sought India's help for its shipping Industrial Project. industry; and

1930. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: (b) if so, how Government of Indig SHRI DTNEN BHATTA- propose to assist the Nigerian Government CHARYA: in this matter and on what terms aftd conditions ? Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state the Life Insurance THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ Corporation’s investments, State wise, in TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING & industrial as well as non-industrial Projects TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR): Separately, year-wise from 1968—69 to (a) Minister of Transport in the Govern­ 1970—71 ? ment of Nigeria had indicated their need 75 Written Answers JUNE U 1971 Written Answers 76

for secondhand dry cargo vessels and (v) srfcr star *jf*r «rc fm fafa % tankers from India and for training masters and marine engineers for Nigeria during his recenl visit to this country. (b) It was convnyed that India’s Mer- («) srr«rr< *wrr tfk chaet Fleet is also in the process of being built up and as such, such vessels may not (*r) '

Housing Socities Benefited under “Own WT ) : (sp) 1 m 1970 I your Housing Scheme” (* t ) f f a >*v s f r t t , 1%tt srfa- 1933. SHRI B. K. DASCHOW­ DHURY : Will thc Minister of FIN ­ fW T, 1969 % TO W SR-TT ANCE be pleased to state : 1 9 5 7 % ^ m m 3TTT ^ P T T T O «TT ! r f r ^ R ferT k 1969-70 spfE (a) the number and names of Housing Socities benefited so far under srv^r grr rfNT if “ Own Your Housing Scheme” ; and v< % mrn % srrtrn: T/r wz fap^rr (b) the extent to which Life Insurance *tr i ^ ^ f sror w r < corporation has helped in solving the housing problem of the beneficiaries? “frfa-tfssN’r w ftr *r< snfr

T-ff fara ^ whether he had publicly admitted that the policy of the Nationalised Banks as envisaged by Government, is meeting with 61 Written Answers JYAISTHA 21,1 893 (SAKA) Written Answers 62

the last cinema Shows, to check against the (b) the years from which these amounts offending drivers, especially at Cinema Houses have been outstanding ; and Railway Stations, Palam Airport etc. (c) the steps taken or proposed to be taken (iv) In order to obviate the chances of to realise these arrears? refusal, over-charging and misbehaviour at the two Railway Stations and Inter-State Bus THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Terminus, taxis and scooters are made to stand MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R. in a queue and arc required to carry passesngers GANESH): (a) and (b). The information in their turn, whatever may be their desti­ regarding the names of industrial houses or nation. The Traffic Police on duty there ensure companies against whom income-tax amount­ that no inconvenience is caused to the intend­ ing to more than Rs. 1 lakh has been outstand­ ing passengers. ing is not readily available and its collection requiring scrutiny of very large number of (v) In order to detect the defaulting assessment records will involve considei able drivers special raids are also organised by the time and labour. Traffic police intermittently m plain clothes and the drivers are prosecuted for refusal, However, if the Honourable Member desires misbehaviour and over-charging. to have information regarding any specific assessee (s), the same could be furnished. (vi) Complaint books have been supplied to all Police Stations for the facility of the (c) Such steps as are available under the complainants to lodge a complaint at the law for realising the arrears in question are nearest Police Station. being taken/proposed to be taken depending upon the facts and circumstances of each case. (vii) At the monthly public meetings at the Policc Stations, the members are informed Development of Ports in Kerala about the availability of complaint books at 1916. SHRI A»K. GOPALAN : Will tfie the Police Stations. Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : (viii) All the Officers and Head Cons­ tables of the Delhi Traffic Policc carry (a) whether* the Kerala Government had challan books while proceeding on duty. discusscd with the Central Government about If any camplaint is made to them action the implementation of the recommendations against the offending drivers is taken made by Indo Poll Company on the develop­ on the spot. ment of Ports in Kerala; and (b) if so, the- action taken by Govern­ (ix) Besides prosecutions in courts of law, ment on the basis of the discujs&ion? a number of complaints of a serious nature are also referred to the Licensing Authority, Delhi THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ for taking disciplinary action against the TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND defaulting drivers by disqualifying them, for a specified period, for holding or obtaining TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) and (b). The Kerala Government had a driving licence, under Section 15(1) (c) of engaged M/s. Indo Poll Company Limited, the Motor Vehicles Act. Bombay for a feasibility study of the cargo and fishing harbours in the State.The Company

Income Tax arrears outstanding against has submitted Ks report. Qul> of the Industrial Houses/Companies ports included in the report, Beypore was se^ 1915. SHRI MUKHTAIR SINGH lected by the State Govt, for development MALIK : Will the Minister of FINANCE as a cargo-cum-fishing Harbour under the be pleased to state : Centrally Sponsored Scheme under the Fourth Five Year Plan and a detailed Projept Report was prepared by the State Government and (a) the names of such industrial houses or companies against whom Income tax sent to the Central Government. This hits beeivscrutinised and detailed comments suggest­ amounting to more than rupees one lakhs has been out-standing; ing the lines on wliich Beypore should be developed taking into account the traffic* 63 Written Answers JUNE 11,1974 Written Answers 64 potent ial, shipping trends and technical Working of Unit Trust of India considerations have been sent to the State 1920. SHRI S.R. DAMANI: Will the Government for their consideration. A Minister of FINANCE be pleased to &tate : reply from the stale Government is awaited. (a) the latest available working results of the Unit Trust of India; New Football Stadium at Calcutta (b) the policy followed by the Unit Trust of India for investments; 1913. SHRI P. R. DAS MUNSi : Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL (c) the total investments made so far and welfare be pleased to state : the return on them; and (d) whether Government propose to (a) whether Central Govt, propose to diversify its activities and if so in what manner? construct a Football Stadium other than a composite station in the Eden Gardens at Cal­ THE MINISTER Ob FINANCE (SHRI cutta in cooperation with the State Govern­ YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN): (a) The ments; and working result of thc Unit Trust of India (b) if so, what is the scheme in this regard ? for the years ended 30th June, 1970, Mhich is the latest year for which the published annual THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THU MI­ report and accounts of the Trust are available, NISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL arc as follows : WELFARE (SHRI K.S. RAMASWAMY): (a) and (b). No such proposal is under consi­ Sales of Units. Rs. 22.83 Crores deration of the Government of India. Repurchases of Units. Rs. 2.04 Crores Net income for thc year. Rs. 5.84 Crt res fosft % % 3T«nwf % M Dividend Distributed : on initial capital. Rs. 0.20 Crore on Unit capital. Rs. 5.58 Crores 1919. sft srmrm atfjrtvn: : Rate of Dividend : fowir aftr v w w fr sr

(b) Investments of the Trust are govern­ (*p) w fefr srmrar *f ed by Regulation 36 of Unit Trust of India General Regulations, 1964. Regulation 36(1) frrarfar f t o r i ; provides that the Investment by the Trust from thc funds of the Unit Scheme of 1964 in securities of any one company shall not exceed ( w ) ?r, m m i* r < m m five per cent of the total amount cf the said w vftx funds or fifteen per cent of the securities issued and outstanding of such company whichever (it) ^ «wr§ff it % s r fe m is lower, provided that the aggregate of the investments in the capital initially issued by T ifr< new industrial undertakings shall not at any srrfeir srrffoff % «r«nwt srrsfecr time excecd five per cent of the total amount of thc said funds. These limits however do not ? apply to investments in debentures of companies which fulfil certain criteria laid feraw vftx m m

Within the above statutory framework the ( v ) (n). ir tf tw Trust makes the investments to obtain maximum snwrw t return on investments consistent with the m r Tar fr afrcpfr i security of thc capital, 65 Written Answer's JYAtSTHA 21,1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 66

(c) The details of investments* made by Corporation oflndia is from July-June. Dur­ the Trust upto 3lst, March, 1971 and the ing the period 1.7.70 to 31st May, 1971 in the returns thereon are as under : accounting year 1970-71, the Corporation had received J26 applications for Rs. 10981.22 Cost lakhs. Out of the above J26 applications, (Rs. in Crores) Yield % 59 applications for financial assistance to the Type extent of Rs. 7990.54 lakhs related to 33 new projects. 1* Ordinary Shares. 33.94 7.52 12.79 8.32 2. Preference Shares. (b) The required information is given in 3. Debentures. 38.49 7.56 the attached Statement. 4. Govt. Securities and 0.50 4.96 (c) The number of applications (126) Corporation Bonds. received during period J.7.70 to 31st May, 1971 was more as compared to 92 applications 85.72 7.64 received in 1968-69 and 90 applications in 1969-70 and the sanctions were also higher than the previous two years. The amount * hxcludes investments in shares of Natio­ sanctioned during the period 1.7.70 to 31st nalised Banks advance deposits against May, J971 was Rs. 3207.30 lacs for 87 appli­ undcrwtiting commitments and cash cations as compared to Rs. 3065.85 lacs for 8<> balances. applications in 1968-69 and Rs. 1937*47 lacs for 63 applications in 1969-70. (d) The endeavour of the Trust is to in­ troduce new schemes and plans to suit the vary­ (d) The repayment position (as on the ing investor preference and tap the savings of 31st March, 1971) of loans advanced in the thecommunity. In pursuance of these efforts, earlier period was as under:— the Unit Trust of India has under active con­ sideration a savings-cum-insurance plan in Rs. in lacs. co-operation with the JL.I.C. This plan is expected to be finalised soon. No. of Amount concerns Loan Applications received by I.F.C. for new Projects. 1. Disbursements (by way of rupee and foreign currency 1921. SHRI S.R. DAMANI: Will the loans) 388 2332.69 Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 2. Repayments 83* 8662.53 (a) the number of loan applications- 3. Amount outstanding 305 15247,92 receivedby the Industrial Finance Corporation during 1970-71 and how many of them were 4. Defaults in respect of for new projects; of principal 66 448.13 (b) how many have been sanctioned and for what industries; Percentage of defaults to amount outstand­ ing : 2.94% (c) how do they compare with figures of the past two years; and * These have repaid the loans in full. (d) the repayment position of the past loans? The industrial Finance Corporation oflndia has been taking necessary steps for the reali­ THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI sation of the defaulted amount due from the YESHWANTRAO CNAVAN): (a) The, borrowers concerned. accounting year of the Industrial Finance 67 Written Answ ers JUNE II, 1971 Written Answers 68

Statement (a) whether road accidents in Delhi are on the increase : Industrial Finance Corporation oflndia, New Delhi (b) i f so, the reasons therefor; and The financial assistance (by way of loans (c) the steps taken to minimise these underwritings and gurantees) sanctioned in-* accidents? dustry-wise from 1.7.70 to 31.5.1971. THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ (Rs. in lakhs) TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : SI. Industry No.of Assi- (a) No. No. appli- stance cations sanc­ (b) Does not arise. tioned J, 2. 3. 4. (c) The Delhi Administration have taken the following measures to reduce road acci - dents:— 1. Sugar 8 829.00 2. Textiles 13 273.06 (i) Road safety education, including lectures on road safety and observance of 3. Iron & Steel 8 478.75 traffic rules, is imparted in educational in­ 4. Non-ferrous Metals 1 170.00 stitutions. 5. Motor Vehicles 3 153.84 (ii) Hand bills and comics on road safety 6. Electrical Machinery 9 298.79 arc distributed among the public and children 7. Basic Indi. Chemicals 3 19.78 (iii) Cinema slides on traffic safety and 8. Metal products 8 144.51 television shows on road safety are also arrang­ 9. Artificial Fibers 14 532.35 ed. 10. Machinery 5 95.15 (iv) Roads are being widened and foot 11. Fertilisers I 5.60 paths improved, wherever possible. 12. Cement I 50.00 13. Paper . * 3.00 (v) Light signals and blinking lights have been installed on various road junctions. 14. Electricity, Gas & Steam <* 8.99 15. Coal 2 32.00 (vi) One way iraffic has been introduced 16. Food Manufactures-Can- in the congested parts of the city. Heavy ning & Preserving of vege­ vehicles are not allowed to pass through such tables and fruits 3 15.90 areas. 17. Vegetable & Animal Oil (vii) A Traffic Training Park for children & Fats 3 32.00 is functioning at full swing on the Irwin Road. 18. Bicycles 2 4.58 19. Hotels 1 15.00 (viii) Transport vehicles are subjected to rigid inspection, before certificates of fiteness 20. Wood & Cork 1 10.00 in respect of them are issued. 21. Miscellaneous Chemicals 1 35.00 (ix) Speed ‘traps’ of vehicles by mobile Total : 87 3207.30 patrols are frequently arranged and action is taken under the law against drivers who are found to be driving rashly and negligently Amount sanctioned by way of conversion or at excessive speeds. of part of the foreign currency sub-loan sanctioned earlier. (x) Vehicles are subjected to surprise checks by mobile police patrols and Flying Road Accidents In Delhi. Squads. 1922. SHRI TEJA SINGH SWATA- (xi) Plying of heavy vehicles has been NTRA : Will the Minister of SHIPPING restricted to the hours during the day in certain AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : axis. 77 Written Answers JYAISTHA 21, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 78

difficulties in implementation because the (b) whether the approval of the Com­ Directors and top executives of the said pany Law Board has been given for the said banks continue to be the same persons who appointment and, if so, on what terms; held these posts prior to nationalisation; (c) the salary, perquisites and other (b) if so, what stands in the way of emoluments approved as remuneration for changing the personnel concerned; and the Managing Director; and

(c) the action, if any, taken by Govern­ (d) whether the Company Law Board ment in the matter? has taken note of objections from the share* holders on grounds of absence or inadequacy THE MINISTER OF FINANCE of profits? (SHRT YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN)- (a) to THE MINISTER OF COMPANY (e) . Finance Minister while addressing a AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY): meeting of the Presidents of the District (a) No copy of such a resolution passed Congress Committees on 7th May, 1971 by the shareholdeis was filed with the Com­ mentioned several important steps which had pany Law Board. been initiated to achieve the basic objectives underl\ing nationalisation. In view of the (b) to (d). The Company Law Board reorientation of the policies of the banks after taking into consideration all the facts with a view to meet the credit requirements and circumstances Qf the case had come to of the Ticglected sectors, he stressed that the provisional conclusion that the proposal unless there was a keen and acute awareness of the company should be rejected. The of the shortcomings of the banks, if would company was informed of the provi­ be difficult to make positive improvements in sional decision of the Company Law a given time. It was in this context that he Board on 15th April, 1971 so as referred to the need for a greater attunement to enable the '-company to make any of the bank staff at all levels with the representation against the proposed decision changed perspective in which the banks have of the Company Law Board. The com­ to function. He had also clarified that pany in its letter dated 26th April, 1971, changing the personnel at various levels of has stated that it wants to make a represen­ thebanks is neither feasible nor, in the ulti­ tation in writing as well as in person* mate analysis, an answer to all the deficien­ against the proposed decision of the Company cies of the banks. Law Board. No written representation has so far been received. The first Boards of Directors of the banks have been constituted after nationali­ Sale of Shares of Golden Tobacco Company sation. There is, therefore, no question of the new Boards of Directors not being in 1937. SHRI RAMSHEKHAR PRASAD tune with the changed perspective in which SINGH : Will the Minister of COMPANY the banks have to function. AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

Appointment of Managing Director of (a) whether the Directors, of Messers Shanker Sugar.Mills Ltd.. Calcutta Golden Tobacco Co. have been selling their shares to "the public at a premium i.e.,'at 1936. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : the Will rate of Rs. 1255/- for 100 shares; • the Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (b) if so, whether Government have inquired into the causes for disposal of shares in this manner; and (a) whether, by a resolution adopted at .the extraordinary meeting held on 14th , (c). whether the financial position of the January, 1971 of shareholders of M/s Shankar company is not sound? Sugar Mills, Ltd., Calcutta, one Shri B.K. Kanoria was appointed as Managing THE MINISTER OF - COMPANY Director in place of Shri K.3K. Kanoria who AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY): had resigned; (a) M /s. 79 WrHten Answers JUNE, II, 1971 Written Answers 80

Golden Tobacco Co.JLtcL. has not awroached (b) Does not arise. the Controller of Capital Issue* for public issue and has not yet got itself enlisted on (C) The financial position of the com- any Stock Exchange. Information sought pany ag is ‘obtained from its publidied for is not available. Annuai Accounts for the last 3 years is as under:—

f in lakhs of Rs. ) 30-6*68 30-6-69 30-6-70

1. Net Worth 3,89 4,67 4,84 2. Total Assets 12>04 14,79 15,99 3» Turnover 32,17 37,97 32,68 4. Profit before Tax 2,50 3,08 1,14 5. Current Ratios 2.2 2.2 2.2 ( i.e. ratio of current Assets to Current Liabilities)

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Widening of National* Highway No. 11 fiaranrkiag ©fCreditfrom Nationalised Banks for Agrarian Scctor 1941. RAJMATA GAYATRI DEVI : Will thc Minister of SHIPPING AND TRA­ 1943. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN- NSPORT be pleased lo state. KAPPAN : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (a) whether with a view to put a slop to accidents. Government have decided to (a) whether Government propose to ear­ widen the National Highway No. 1JI (Jaipur- mark at feast 50 per cent of the credit from Bikancr Highway) to twenty two feet; and the nationalised bajtks for the agrarian sector; and (b) if so, how Government plan to imp­ lement this decision? (b) if so, when this proposal is likely to be implemented? THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS­ THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) and YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) • (a) No, sir*, (b). Considering the requirement of the prsent as the needs of various sectors of •ccraomy and cxpecied near future traffic, provision vary from place to place, it is neither has been nude in the Fourth plan to under desirable nor feasible to earmark a fixed take widening to two lanes (23 ft.) of 117 percentageofedit to any oneseetor. Priority miles out of the total length of about 200 miles is, how evert being given to the sectors of the Jaiptir-Bikanei Section of the National which had been hitherto neglected for the J lighway N o. 11. Out of the remaining-83 miles purpose of bank credit. about -20 miles near Bikaner are already two- lane. Thc left over reach of 63 miles will be between Goshainsar and Ratangarh, which (b) Dose not arise. has recently been completed with a singal- lane carriage way and opend to traffic. This TnpFVFf'W m v gw % fw?*t widening of 117 mile* is likely to cost if fwfc *r«r Rs. 150 lakhs.

Construction of New AerodrOmes in Rajasthan 1 9 4 4 . irap»m : w r • f a f ia f c w r *wr 1942. RAJMATA GAYATRI DEVI : f * : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : ( f t) w r t o t ? ft. (a) Whether Government are considering 10( 167) 70 fww 22 to construct some new aerodromes in Rajas­ 1 9 7 1 % v m v c f t w j t «P*ti than and to develop the old ones; and if tr w rrf *rra>3T * 4V* t"»r w r f w f r r - (b) if so, the main features of the plan 3*t % l*r»k % fam w in this regard?

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1 948. Prosecution) of FHw Acton and Actrvncs *ft OTSTW VH Wfcft: for InCrinccnient of Income-Tax Laws.

1949. SHRI FRAUODH CHANDRA : wr fat! iWf ^ ^ ^*r ^r: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (v) w r

(*r) w *rw£ vm, v x k w s % (b) the actual amount due from them and the amounts realised; and sn H tW! vt w r wwi *flp f^*rr w r | ; (c) the amount of Income-tax written * fa off in their case ? («r) ^ft.m rw w rvrO Tl? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ft. R. fircr ihmw 9f ttw %• ww. GANESH): (a) The names of the film actors and actresses who were Prosecuted during m m ) : (v) tfrc* sftm ftw*r % wr the years 1968-69, 1969-70 and 1970-71 for am rff ’sftersrre *r $rc to t | w Ft infringement of income-tax laws are given below:— ? m srf?r$fa *ren ^ fe rr srrar 11 *tt*$ s£z srr's t f w wk TT^f«rff?r W t ?r Year Name of film ar^t VPT «P^T ^ *Ft ’ RTT actorj actresses fOTTOr^OTli (Award) I 196*—69 Miss Asha Pftrekh Sfauri Dilip Kumar (w) s w fr ’p w r *r vr*r «re t| 1969—70 Shri Dilip Kumar v4wrfWf vr ^ »M(fe ww *r#r 1970—71 Miss Faryal Karim firow r^t i (b) The requisite infonsnaUon is giyen (*r) Ww «r*nc % ^ w- in the Statement herewith laid on the Table srrfafi »Pt w syft^fif few ^ rtt $ of the Bouse. sff y , ‘sff-i’ *r1r< ^f-2’ qfw f % w 8 (c) No amount income-tax was written 3r fara 11 w€«ww vr vfhw w ft off in any of these eases.

Statement

Name of the Amounts Amounts realised film actors/ due as on 31.3.1971 Financial actresses Rs. Rs...... fflE L - 1 1. Miss Asha Par ekh 57,466 1968—69 40,118 1969—70 3,81,798 1970—71, 1 ,$4,707 W Written Attmtn JYAISTHA 2l, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 90

2. Shri Dilip Kumar 25,20,737 1968—69 2,10,450 1959— 70 2,75,200 1970—71 2,36,456

3. Miss Faryal Karim Nil 1968 —69 1,439 1969—70 925 1970—71 Nil

Promotions to the Cadre of Assistant Commt- fofta fjpfl M em * iw t Mltthm of Income-Tax

1950. SHRI PRABOJ£>H CHANDRA : frfww ^ ft wmr Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state i i95i. imrm m ; w ftwrt iftr fwwf w i ^ (a) the pay scale of the Assistant f r q r r ^ ^ r Commissioner of Income-tax;

(b) the minimum length of service ( * ) | f a % ^ r required before ah Icome-tax Officer be­ comes eligible for promotion as Assistantnt fafrrTswr stfVr tsrrfav ?wt W T^ft Commissioner of Income-tax;

(c) the number of Assistant Commissio­ aft

(d) the number of year of service of the Junior most Assistant Commissioner in (*r) irflr ft, ^ *rwrc w w the category of direct recruits to the Class 1 if m O T 3T?fi v ^ r v t fer^x & ? Income-tax service on the date he or she was promoted as an Assistant Commissioner of Income-tax ? fonnt* wWV * o * m ) THF MINISTER OF STATE JN THE (*) t o s m r v MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. ?r«rr TOrarsft srnfcr $ OANBSH) : (a) Rs, 1300-60-1600. ^ wrriff tfsr | ^ r< jftwr snfaisrrc (b) As a working rule. Income-tax Offi­ w t f r *rer?» % s w m f ^ cers (Claass t), ordinarily with not less f w r 3TT fVT I 7T«TT *ft* then 8 years services in the grade, are being considered for promotion to the grade of ^rr trrato % ippftvmi fiwr w | Affttstant Cortftmrss toners of Income-tax. 1 *nfl sr?fwT 11 (c> Oft (he 1st April, 1971, the number ? w ^ w n # «««Wt or Assistant Commissioner of Income-tax in the htaome-tax Dfepfctfment tfas 401 and the sftt W ta fftft M *mw % *{* atnfcbtff of vacancies in that grade was m . (0 la y*M» *«d % afcaftfe*. I052.*ftlfoWC TO W 91 Written Ans wers JUNE II. 1971 Written Answers 92

(a) whether a citizen of India who t o t ftr Ssrrftnt? 9 i^ rr^ ft wants to emigrate is allowed to take his liquid assets out of India; wnfcr %?sta f^rrsnr % sr^r (b) if so* to what extent; and snrr ttct «rrr TOrnft ?r^ sfrc *rarn: % sr*r

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI fe w sftr *totst «pwt«t «hrmn% sfhc YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) ; (a)to(c), WFffirfwwnrif OTt^r »fto trow): Under the extent regulations, Indian na­ tionals emigrating from India are not, as a 3i*rf, i97i^w r^rrtflr^® :irr^ general rule, allowed any exchange facilities $ 5wrf¥f? tfft: ?rsOT?ft «rr#r %for transfer of their assets out of India. st TOTft fo* f*T ear. be pleased to state the progress nude m the implementation of the proposal regarding the students' participation in Umver&ity Seizure of Imported Whisky from thc Executive management ? House keeper of Ashoka Hotel

THE DEPUTY MINISTER rN THE 1955. SHRI VIKRAM CHAND MAHA- MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND JAN : Will thc Minister of TOURISM AND SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DEP­ CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : ARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : Thc question of students' parti­ (a) whether duty free imported whisky cipation in University affairs is under was recovered from thc Executive House consideration of a committee set up by thc Keeper of Ashoka Hotel, New Delhi in the University Grants Commission on the Gover­ month of May, 1971; nance of Universities and Colleges. The (b) whether any proceedings were initi­ first part of the report which will inter-alia ated against the person concerned; and deal with this subject, is likely to be submftted to the University Grants Commi­ (c) if so, thc result there of ? ssion by Jtme 15, 1971. Further action will bs decideJ up in after thu rjjomnnndaiionii THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND of the committee and the commission have CIVIL AVIATION 0>R. KARAN SINGH) be;n received by thc Government. (a) to (c). The Executive House Keeper of Ashoka Hotel is allotted a room in the hotel Criteria for taking Liquid Assets out of for residential purpose. On the 7th April, India by Indian Emigrants j 1971 when she was away on duty at Banglore, her room was opened to accommodate some 1954. SHRI VIKRAM CHAND MAHA- overflow of guests, lt is alleged that a large JAN i Will the Minister of FINANCE be number of liquor bottles were found in pleased to state ; her room, including five bottles which bore I 9J Written Anwer, JYAISTHA 2U I $#8iSAXA) W rim Answers 94

the ftfung? free” . The Excise and («r) *if*^?rfrw ^tTO ir<*flr pOftfce authorities at Delhi have since taken charge of at) these liquor battles and, a w s r f e W f caad having born filed with (he police* investigations are In progress. *!«*• *ft* wmr few m iM (wt« w * firs) c (^t) ^sff, st i IfCf WTWR if b m r i i **

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Awfcancc to Agricultural Ualmlties in India by World Bank. (In thousands pf Rs,) 'i 1959, SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF : Name of thc Commi- income tax arrears will the (Minister of FINANCE be leased to ssioner s Charge as on 31-3,1970 state : I. Ahdhra 68,20* (a) whether World Bank had agreed to 2. Assam support the Agricultural Universities in India 59,937 with some aid; «nd 3. Bihar 1,02,321 4. Orissa 85,203 * * (b)r if so, to what extent ? 5. Bombay City-*-I • 2,28*789 "THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 6. Bombay City—II 4,58,989 YESHWANTRAO CH A V A N )111 is maintained according to thc charpes 28. Calcutta (Central) 2,41,628 of thc Commissioner of Income-tax and not state-wise. The charge-wise infor­ TOTAL 50,79,083 mation as on 31.3.1970 is given in the state* ment. The information as on 31.3.1971 is not available. It is being collected and will Development of Tourist Centres bs laid on the Table of the House as soon as it is Available. 1961. SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF ; Will the Minster of TOURISM AND CIVIL (b) it iy no* possible to indicate what AVIATION be pleased to state : amounts are not likely to be recovered unless all the steps for recovery open under the law (4) whether Government have developed are exhausted any Tourist Centres in the country during the year 1970-71; (c) Such staps as are available in law arid depending upon the facts and circumstances (b) if.sa, the names of .those centres and of each case are being taken to recover these the approximate amount spent over c&<& arrears. Centre; and 91 Written Answers JYAISTHA .21, 1193 (S AKA) Written Answers 98

7*000 . 2. Bodhgaya 13,00.000 THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 3. Kosi 1,00,000 CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH): 4. Qutab 6*000 (a) and (b). A statement is placed on the 5. Varanasi 2,91,951 table of the House. 6. Govj^d SagarCBhakra) 3,89,600 ‘ 7. Hyderabad 5,000 t 8. Cheruthuruthy 68,600 (c) Tourist facilities are proposed to be 9- Kanya Kumari 1,85,461 developed in 1971-72 at Gulmarg, Kovalam, 10. Tiruchendur 1,48,250 Bodhgaya-Rajgir-Nalnnda, Ajanta-Ellora, 11. Kodaikanal 20,000 Delhi, Khajurhao, Patna, Jaipur, Sabar- 12. Aihole 16,000 mati, Srinagar. Madras, Hampi, Patnitop, 13. Khajuraho 1,00,000 Bhopal, Kosi, Govindsagar, Nagarjuna- 14. Elhphanta 52,500 sagar, Corbett National Park, Kaziranga, 15. Sabai mati 6,67,000 Gir, Kanha-Kisli, Calcutta, Aurangabad and 16. Srinagar 15.05,000 Udaipur. 17 Mahabalipuran 1,00.000

INDIA TOURISM DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION

Rs.

II. 1. Kovalam 1,00,000

2. Banglore 92,50,000 (for the hotel)

3. Calcutta i 84,000 (for the hotel at Dum Dum)

4. Delhi (*) 51,90,000 (Renovation of hotels) OD 2,84,000 (Revision of son-et>lumiere show)

5. Udaipur 80,000 (Augmentation of occomo- dation facilities)

6. Jammu 2.30,000 (Motel) 7. Varanasi 30,000 (Motel-cum-Tourist Recep­ tion Centres)

8. Establisnment and expansion of Tronsport Units at various places 38,40,000

9. Khajuraho 35,000 (Expansion of Travellers Lodge)

10. Mahabalipuram 40,000 (Expansion Of Travellers Lodge)

11. Hassan ■ 30,000 (Expansion of Travellers Lodge)

12. Establishment and Expansion of duty free shops 1,50,000 99 W rttm Answers HjjmiU&M Written Answers 100

AawflsnMiit or Daange to Jumbo Jet. under preparation. The work is expected to be completed during the current plan 1962. SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF : period. Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased

Expansion of Terminal Buildirgs at Cochin (b) whether any financial assistance has and Mangalore Airports been sought for by the Government

(a) whether terminal buildings at the THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY airports of Cochin and Mangalore are proposed AFFAIRS) AND SHIPPING AND TRA* to be extended; and SPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) to (c). THE East Coast Road (Madras-Kovlam- (b) if so, ihc approximate cost involved Cuddalore*Nagapattin am-Tu t icorin-Cape Co­ in each extension and the lime by which morin) is an existing road except for a these are likely to be completed ? missing link of 25 miles between Mahabali­ puram and Markanam. In addition, the THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND roaa requires further improvements in regard CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH)| to bridges and surface of thc road. The (a) Yes, sir. State Government have been pressing for Central financial assistance fo the develop­ (b) The estimates of expenditure are ment of this road,

The following works are already in progress on this road with Central ftn

Name of work Source of financing

(1) Construction of Missing link Central Aid Programme of State between Mahabalipuram and Roads of interstate of economic Markanam 25 milss, importance.

(2) Construction of a bridge at Central Road Fund (Allocations) Kovlam, Account of the Atste Govern­ ment.

In addition, in January, 1971 further works of a total tost of Rs. 2,61 crores ware accepted for 100% loan assistance for being undertaken on this road as ndicated below: <101 Written Answers JYAISTHA 21, 1893 (S^JKT^) Written Answers 1*02

, Lengt h Miles or Cost Najne of Scheme ' No, of Bridges (Rs. lakhs)

1. Metalling and Black-topping missing section Mahabalipuram-Markanam of the Est Coast Road. 20 14.00 2. Major bridges on Mahablipuram-Markanam Road. 3 bridges <5.00' 3. Bridges on East Coast Road : (Rs. lakhs)

Muttupet—Mimisal 97.50 19 bridges 1 (b) Mimwal—Tonda 37.6337.63 8 8 M ( ,M(W (c) Toflda—Tirupallagudi 34.28 10 34.28 10 f 182>0° (d) Tiruppalagudi—Devipattnam 12.5012.50 1i bridge J

Financial Assistance to Tamilnadu tb) the number of officers working in each shift, the actual number of officers 1965, SHRI MURASOLJ MARAN: Will available for clearing luggage after talcing the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to into account those on static duties anfi o$ state. leave and the average number of paseen* (a) whether any request has been made gers handled by them daily; by the 'Government of Tartwl Nadu to provide (c) whether the Preventive Officers are financial assistance to emplement the not allowed any weekly off ot holiday and recommendations of the state Pay Commiss­ ion ; and are also called upon to work overtime; and (b) if so. the reaction of the Central (d) if so, the steps taken by Government Government thereto ? to augment clearing staff to reduce the delays in baggage clearance and also to improve THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the conditions of their service and duty MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. hours ? GANESH): fa) Yes, sir. (b) Decisions on matters relating to the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE emoluments of State employees are entirely MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R, for the State Government to take and hav* to GANESH) : (a) For expeditious clearance be based on their own appreciation of their of baggage, passengers have been categorised resources position. The catcgorical position as (i) Tourists (ii) Non-tourists having no ■of the Central Government in this regard dutiable goods and (iii) Non-tourists having fcati fawnt stated in the House a number of dutiable goods, unaccompanied baggage etc. iM ne* Tourists normally take 3 to 10 minutes Clearing of Baggage by Preventive Officers for their clearance through Customs depend­ a t Santacniz Airport ing on whether they have any currency to dec­ ■ «» i lare or are carrying any articles which are 1966, DR. KARNI SINGH : to be entered in the Tourist baggage Re* MAHARAJA MARTAND SINGH: export forms issued to them. Will the Minister of FINANCE be Non-Tourists who do not have dutiable pleaped to state: goods in their baggage and are not sele­ (a) the a*i*rt«eti«nte taken by Preventivected at random for detailed examination Officers in clearing baggage at the Saiitacmz take, op an average, 5 to 7 minute* depend­ A irport; ing on whether they h m any set

(i) *fh «t in regard to branches, the THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY work should be organised on the AFFAIRS. AND SHIPPING & TRANS­ basis of Customer-groups served; PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) ; (a) No Sir. There is no such proposal. (ji) The banking work presently handled at Local Head Office be separated (b) The problems of the shipping from the Admisnistralive Wing; industry and those of the shippers are diffe­ rent. The industry's problems are (a) (iii) In the organisational set-up of Local availability of ships, (b) the necessary foreign Head Offices, there should be (a) exchange and/or credit facilities for financing unified command of branch opera­ them, and (c) to balance costs with revenue. tions (b) machinery to undertake Government are already assisting the industry planning and promotional work in regard to (a) by bilateral trade arrange* in ail, spheres of the Bank's activity ments or otherwise and (b) through (c) adequate specialist support for negotiating Suppliers’ Credit or Aid facilities each market segment as well as or releasing free forei :n exchange limited to personnel and public relations 20%, and approving their foreign exchange borrowings from commercial banks on (iv) Central officet activities should be acceptable terms. The third problem parti­ divided on < he basis o f (a) plann­ cularly so far as it pertains to liner services ing and research (b) operating has its repercussions on shippers. The control of circle performance (c) shippers problems are (i) ensuring stability staff and specialist functions ip the of freight rates and (u) adequacy and sphere of personnel, premises etc.(d) regularity of services. Government have machinery for the appraisal and been emphasising the need to ensure a sanction of large advances. modicum of stability over a reasonable period in freight rates so that the interests (v) A system of performance budget­ of trade may not get disrupted; and the ing for deposits, advancesi income need to contain costs by the shipowners and expenses for the critical ateas taking suitable steps. The Government have of Bank's operations be introduced. also impressed upon ths Liner Conference The b.udgel will be in the form of an the need to ensure adequacy and regularity annual plan for each branch. in shipping services. The Freight Investi­ gation Bureau liaises between the Liner (c) The recommendati»»ns arc being tes­ Conferences and the shippers and assist in ted by practical application in two solving problems, both of a general and of circles as an experiment. A review a particular charactei that arise from time will he made after a period where to time between the two. aftef the question of implementation of the recommendatiqns in the entire bank will be considered. Road Accidents in the Union Territories and on National Highways posai to Set up a Corporation foer emoving Bottlenecks In Shipping Industry 1970. SHRI SUBODH HANSDA : Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS­ 1969. SHRI B,NARAYANAN : Will the Miniver of SHIPPING AND TRANS­ PORT be pleased to state : PORT be pleased to state : (a) whether road accidents are on an (a) whether there is any proposal to set increase in the Union Territories and on up a Corporation with a view to removing National Highways; the major bottlenecks being faced by the shipping industry in general and shippers (b) if so, whether any study has been in particular; and made to find out the reasons therefor; and

(t& if not, how Government propose to (c) whether any step is proposed to be solve Jfosip bottlenecks? taken tp check such accidents? KWt Written Answers . JUNE 11, 1971 WrittatAwwers

TH 8 MI NISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY neglected sectors tike agriculture, MftftU scale AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND industry, small business, ^transport, retail TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR): trade etc. In pursuance of this objective, (a) to (c) . The information required is nationalised banks have stepped up their due being collected and will be laid on the lending to the sectors which' Jtave not s been Table of the Sabha, when received. receiving their due share*of' bank credit and are taking greater of cognisance of viability Shortage of Light Houses and social utility of projects rather than of crcdit-worthiness of borrowers in the tradi­ 1971. SHRT SUBODH HANSDA : Will tional sense. Simultaneously cate is taken the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS­ to ensure that the flow of ba»lr credit is so- PORT be pleased to state : regulated as to ensure that hoarding for speculative purposes is continually checked (a) whether there is st»ll shortage of and genuine requirements for productive pur­ Ught*!houses for Indian shipping; and poses are met. A11 large loans are subject to (b) if so, how does Government plan to elose scrutiny both by the boards of thc remove this shortage? nationalised banks and the Reserve bank. As the credit given now is oriented towards THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY needs of production, no difficulties have been AFFAIRS* AND SHIPPING AND noticed in the way of those who require TRANSPORT ( SHRI RAJ BAHADUR ) : credit for productive purposes. (a)and (b) .There is no shortage of light­ houses along the coast of India. However, gfawf % fW w m ^ proposals have been drawn up and are under execution to provide further facilities for better navigation around the coast, including 1973. ^ r ifqwnw fcrarr entry into ports. sftr m m ^ $rqrr f t : : Difficulties Experienced by the People on account of restrictions'imposed on credit ( v ) m r to w S i n * v m % f f w f r facilities in Nationlised Banks % s * # itviH 3FfT*r qft trap j f r o r 1972. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : W^l STHTf I ; the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : («r) *r, tfr t o fosftor w < % sritfwr wrfinW «fr< Va) to what extent and in what manner % the credit facilities in thc Nationalised Banks *rrfor wrfwf %• sfrrr w titZm % which existed before 1966, have been srfafo »rf t; modified and restricted; (»r) wtff, f ? (fa) the reasons for such modifications imd restrictions ; and ftwnf sftr twrsf ihnBv if < wz *r< mr vm r< m THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI ffwr ^fitwrr i YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) to (c). It is presumed the Hon.’bie Member is Way* and means to eat down A teM aM faar desirous of information regarding modifica­ cost In Indian AMiac*. tion in credit policy since nationalisation. Oae of the objectives of nationalisation was 1974, SHRI BISHWANAW IHWN- to diversify credit especially to hi there to JHUNWALA ; Will it* M tM <#1 109 Written Answers JYAISTHA 21, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 110

TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be ( v ) % rfo ft* fter* pleased to state; irk jptfMf

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND f a *

(b) if so, when such a Committee is (b) if so, the composition and functions likely to be set up ? of the committee; and

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (c) whether this committee will keep in (SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) view the steady increase in the demand No Sir. for credit facilities by the neglected sectors of the economy like small fanners, small (b) Does not arise. scale industries and new entrepreneurs ?

f i f t r fw fc i f a flr i i t t THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI WWMffT i f ^ w w YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) to (c). The question of setting up an alter* nate forum in place of the erstwhile National i» 7 « . «wti wrflm iHt Credit Council is under active consideration >1$SR T 1% f’TTTT’T ftp: of the Government, 11 1 m itten Answers JUNE 1*. 1971 Written Answers \ 12

Circulation of Indian Currency end of December 1970. Against this increase of about 24% the outstanding credit given 1978. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will to agriculture and small-scale industries in the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to U.P. as shown in the enclosed statements, state : increased during the aforesaid period by over 104%; One particular deficiency in (a) whether Indian currency in circu­ U.P. before the nationalisation of the 14 lation has been iucreased this year; and banks, was the relatively small number of branches of commercial banks in the State. (d ) if so, to what extent ? The number of commercial banks branches in U. P. has increased from 747 at the end THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI of June, 1969 to 1971 at the end of March, YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) Yes Sir. 1971; there will be an addition of about 200 more branches by the end of 1971. This ( b) The total value of currency in circu­ will help considerably in increas;ng bank lation with the public amounted to Rs. 45(56 credit to agriculture and small-scale indus­ crores as on May 21, 1971 and showed an try in thc State. increase of Rs. 353 crores over th$ year.

City Compensatory Allowance to Central Aid to the Uttar Pradesh Government from Banks Government Employees at Bhubaneswar, Orissa 1979, SH Ri RAJDEO SINGH : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 1980. SHRI CHINTAMANl PAN1- state : GRAHT . Will the Mmistei of FINANCE be pleased to state : (a) whether the Uttar Pradesh Govern­ ment is getting less aid from the Banks: (a) whether Govemmrnt are aware that Bhubaneshwar, thc capital of Orissa has (b) if so, whether a«i a result of the heen declared a c»t> b> the lecent census; nationalisation of Bahks less credit has been and advanced in the field of agriculture and small* scale industries in Uttar Pradesh in compa­ (b) if so, thc reasons for not exten­ rison to what has been allotted to other ding city allowances to all thc Centrpl States in similar sectors; and Government employees working at Bhubn- neswar ? (c) if so, thc reasons thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) ; (a) to (c). MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. As banks do not give aid to State Govern- GANESH): (a) Yes Sir; on a provisional ments, it is presumed that the Hon’ble basis. Member tefers lo bank advances to small- scale industries and agriculture. Data in (b) Compensatory (city) allowancsc is regard to advances granted by scheduled admissible to Central Government employees commercial banks to small-rcale industries stationed in ‘A*, ‘B--1* and ‘B-—2* class and agriculture in Uttar Pradesh and other cities only. Classified on the basis of 1961 States and outstanding as on the last Friday census figures. Bhubaneswar is, at present of June, 1969 and December, 1970 are an unclassified city because its population given in the statement. Laid on the table according to the 1961 census was lew than o f the House [Placed in library. See No. 50,000. Any further cladsification/re-classi- IT —390/71] The aggregate advance af all fication of cities and towns including Bhuba­ scheduled commercial Banks to all sectors in neswar wiJ 1 have to await the results of the the country rose from Rs. 3399 crores at 1971 Census. The final population figures the end of June 1969 to Rs. 4451 crores at the are still awaited. 113 Written Answers JYAISTHA 21,1893 (SAKA) Written Answen 114

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Assistance to Collcgtt in Mxdhyg Pradesh Commission in this regard; and for Playground And Sports Material (d) the decision taken by the Commi­ 1984. DR. LAXMIN A R AYAN PAM- ssion on the question of giving assistance to DEY : Will the Minister of EDUCATION these colleges ? AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND (a) the names of colleges affiliated to SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- the various Universities of Madhya Pradesh SWAMY) : (a) to

Maximum cost of Go\crnmcnt’s Type of facility the project Share ( m lakh Rs. )

Gymnasium for a University 2.50 75% Gymnasium for a college of 1500 students or more 1,50 75?0 Gymnasium for a small college 0.75 75% Sports pavilion/ttack 2.50 50% Swimming Pool V* O (SOM x21M 5.00 ' e Swimming Pool ( 25M x 12M ) 2.50 50% Play field for a University 0.15 75% Playfield for a College 0.10 75%

2. The University Grants Commission decided that financial assistance may be has been entrusted with the task of given for establishing gymnasia at Univer­ scrutinising the request for assistance for the sities and colleges; Such gymnasia will not establishment of the physical facilities and include provision for indoor stadia for sanctioning the grants on behalf of the games like Badminton» Volleyball, Basketball Government of India. It has been decided to etc. give top priority to the establishment of multi-purpose play field s. A manual giving The names of the colleges in Madhya detailed instruction regarding the laying out Pradesh which have sought financial assis­ of multi-purpose playfields has been compiled tances from the University Grants Commi­ by the National Institute of Sports, Patiala ssion are given in statement I laid on the and is underprint. A* soon as this publi­ Table of the House, [ Placed in Library , See cation is received the Universities^ and No. £ 7—391/71’ j The Commission will give colleges will be requested to submit their financial assistance to as many universities request for the repairs and renovation to and colleges as possible subject to the existing playfields or for establishing multi­ limitation of financial resources. The purpose playfields where no playfields exist Colleges have also been informed accor­ but grounds are available. It has also been dingly. U7 Written Answers JYAISTHA 21, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 118

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1B70-71 % tffare tor*- * (c) whetherj ;*bc said- land j m been allotted only to the.relatives of Government ftaim *r*pr *rr#r sro % Officers and staff, rich shop-keepa* and % f k k tor-ftwf vrftraff spV *?$w?rr others; and ?ft «rf | sr?*ta vrfW lr v t f e f r (d) if so, what stepss Government g§PKrr $t n t ; •propose to check this irregularity* and corrup­ tion ? (sr) w Trarro-f % k*tc W tfw M-rf%wr sr< will be laid otr the table of Sabha as soon as available. («r) w ^cr ^?Tf?rsr % fatr iw * tf n*5HH ftwnr «r*rr | iflnc *ff«f h it, arcftof % if w m w f t cfr w? HT

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V*8wl 'WWW 'IjWS " W W*H^PP flf^T Th e m in i s t e r o f s t a t e fN t h e '. ... .Of*.. .. * t* . ...•m? w *>■- ...^ ...- ** .MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 1C. * . ^«n*R t *fw*iT * "• v ^MtS w GANESH); (a) No, Sir, There is no yhprta y of ifagoifte-tax return forms in any charge .of the Commtssnsaery of Income-ta* including Delhi and Punjab. w m . « * * *1*5 f*nr firn Jfafr (b) The question does not arise TO v r i r f * Truncation of Tt*t*Bot»k». ^■X jmsfcr %,fitarf<*r 1998 SHRIM RAMGOPAL REDDY ; ^ ^ f^nrc^fr % v t * *erto r$ SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state ft fojfar *r% tfr ^fnfi *rrf^, (a) whether due to lack of cooperation (*r) t o t o t < ?r w ftrcnfcir vt from the foreign publishers!, the programme for translation of text-books is not making ^afr^rr< y * fam r «rr,

(*r) ^ ^r, ?ft ^ 7 f ^ r m *r f«tw* (b) if so, the steps Government propose to take to step up the progress *>

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND nwr *rfT*s*f * *w*f s w («n v .stt?: SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE

‘Ftauictel Assistance to S.C. and S.T. f<* Small Scale Industries. («r) tiSiw*f?»F>f

Portage of Income-Tax Retard Forms a (a) whether the Central and the State Governments give financial assistance 19 the tty * . SHRI VIKRAM CHAND members of the Scheduled Castes and MAHAJAN : Will the Minister of FINANCE Scheduled Tribes in the form o f grants and fee ptaased tb slate s loans for starting small sc»Jc industries and for bt&iness purposes, and (aj* whether there is shortage of Income- t t t Refam Forms in tike cot&fry Especially i* 'Itefltf/ Stadatf and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN .THE nationalised banks after their wit2c«kfH- MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI 1C. 5* RAMA, SWAM3) : (a) and (b), The information (b) the amount of loans given by the is being collected and will be laid on the branches to different persons and institutions tabie of the Sabha as soon as available. for various purposes since nationalisation and also the terms and conditions thereof; Brandies of State and Commercial Banks and in Kerala (tt the names of places in Kerala where more branches am proposed to be opened 2000. &HRJMATI BHARGAVI THA-according to the present programme 7 NKAPPAN : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : THE MINISTER- OF FINANCE (SHRI YESHWANTRAO pHAVAN ) ; £) The (a) the number of branches of State number of offices of State bank and other- Bank and other Commercial Banks In Kerala commercial banks in Kerala as at the end before the nationalisation of banks and the of June, 1969 and end of March,, I97J is number of new branches opened by {he indicated below :

No. of offices as on Nd. of new Bank Group * opened bo 30.6.69 31.3.71 30.6.69 and

’I. S. B. I. Group * 151 208 S7‘ 2. 14 -Nationalised Banks 179 265 86 3. Other Commercial Banks 271 345 74

Total 601 818 217

(b) and (c). Information is not readily ing to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled available. This will be collected to the Tribes among them in each cadr< 5, extent possible and will be laid on the Table of the House, (c) the total number of post remained unfilled due to nonavailability of candidates Persons belonging to Scheduled Castes of these categories in each cadre during the and Schedaled Tribes to Income- last three years (year-wise) and carried oMs* Tax Department, DeBiI to next year;

1001. SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR : (d) the steps taken to fill the post* Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased reserved for them and whether some posts to state : in the above cadre have also been reserved; and (a) the total number of posts reserved for persons belonging to Scheduled Castes (e) if so, the reasons for taking such* and Scheduled Tribes in the cadres of decision ? Supervisors, Head Clerks, Inspectors, Upper Division Clerks* and Lower Division THE MINISTER OF STATE J*T Clerics in the Income Tax Department, THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE IBSHUf Delhi. K. R. GANESH): (a) to («). f *tie Hctfce. (M y m w im *nd the number $ peraon*,be*ong- in Library. See No. LT 394/ 71*1 m Written Aimers JUNE, 11,1971 m

> ^ Unfilled vacancies *re carried for­ 12 krs. ward to 3 subsequent recruitment yeaffs. Ye* Sir, some posts have also been CALLING ATTENTfON TO MATTER dereserved. OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE ' (e) In the Revenue earning Dapartments, it 'would not be in the interest of work to R eported refusal of some States to acco ­ keep posts unfilled for indefinite periods. mmodate Banola D esh Evacuebs

Increase in flying Training Fees by MR. SPEAKER : We will now take up Delhi flying Club » the Calling Attention. Shri Ihdrajit. Gupta.

2002. SHRI PAINULI : Will the Mini­ SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore): ster orTOtFRISM AND CIVIL AVIATION But where is the Minister ? be pleased to state : MR. SPEAKER : He has written to me (a) whether the Delhi Flying Club has that he is answering the question in the Rajya* increase Its training fees; Sabha and as soon as it is over he will be back here. He must be on his way now. So, in the mean while, we can take up the formal (b) if so, to what extent the revised fees business now. Let us take up Papers to be have adversely affectad the economy of the laid on the Table. Club. (c) how many boys, who have already SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi) : This is completed almost half of their training, had a very novel procedure. This is never done. to abandon their further course due to We strongly protest against it. He should abrupt increase in the fee; and be pulled up.

(d) whether sufferers would be compen­ MR. SPEAKER: He is busy in Ihc sated ? Rajya Sabha. As soon as it is over he will come here. Why should 1 pull him up? THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND (.Interruptions) May be the same question is fclVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH): being raised in the other House. If he is not (a) There has been no change in the hourly present there, they will also take him to task. fate for subsidised flying. However, in the So, let us not make too much of such things. duntext of the prevailing unemployment He should not lose patience like that. I find amongst holders of Commercial Pilot’s that the Minister has already come. Let us Licenses, subsidised flying available to now take the Calling Attention. taAmdua! trainees has been limited up* to Private Pilotis Licence standard (i.e. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Sir I call upto sixty hours) with affect from 1st April, the attention of the Minister of Labour and x m , Rehabilitafon to the following matter of urgent public importance and request that he may Ob) does not arise. make a statement thereon : (c) It has ben desided that trainers who had obtained their Private Pilot’s Licence ‘The reported refusal by Governments and h*d dome 150 hours of flying on 31st t>f Andhra Pradesh* Tamil Nadu and some March, 1970 will be permitted to avail of other $tates to accommodate anyr evacuees subsidised flying upto the maximum limit from Bangla Desh/ of 250 hours subject to the usual conditions. Trainees who fcqd obtained tfceir P. PX . 04 m THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE before 31st March, 1971 but had not complete MINISTRY OF LOBOUR AND REHABI­ lSQhonrt on that date can dofurther flying at LITATION (SHRI BALOOV1ND VERMA) : tta (*e*4uhsi

[Shri Indrajit Guptaj fore, I would tike to know from the Govern­ be worried by the reports which continue to ment whether they have got any plan to inccrase appear that this relief materia* rs still not being cleared from Dum Dum airport. I am sorry the transport facilities, depending not only on trains but also, if necessary, on road trans­ to raise this matter again to which 1 referred port and, as the newspaper says that some the other day. The State Governments may say, “ If you send the people here, then you very big size planes have been provided for them form some foreign country which are send the relief material also.** Here is yester­ day's paper giving photograph of all the mate­ Capable of carrying over 1 0 0 or 2 0 0 people rial pilling up. Although we were assured in each plane, whether these forms of trans­ that it will be removed very quickly, 1 want port are also going to be employed or not; to know what has been done baout ii. It is otherwise, the dispersal will be extremely reported in today’s papers that some interna­ slow and will, 1 am afraid, lead to further tional organisation ha: been told not to send complications. any more material because it cannot be cleared I would also like lo know whether these at this end, Why should not the State Govern­ trains are going to be run non-stop or they are ments have doubts about it 7 going to go on halting all along at various stations. Government will see to it Uiat the> Lastly, there is another disquieting repoit are run non-stop not fiom Calcutta only but that many refugees arc not wanting to go to from the border stations. For example, from other States, I he lepon has appeared that in Bongaon and other places trains can start and one train which was supposed to accommodate go absolutely non-stop right through to where­ 1000 people, about BOO people did not want ver the camp sites are going to be. Have they lo go by that tram. There is a report that, any sqch proposal ? They can give them food some people arc trying to instigate people not in the train and for water also they can made to go far away from .Bengal and so on. I do provision. not know whether the reports arc correct. If these repoils ate correct, i would ask the Now, these camps are to be Central camps, Government whether they think that the remedy as he says, administered directly by the Centre lies only in some coercive measure, as is repo­ and, therefore, he has stated that the Govern­ rted in the press, that these refugees have ment of India has not approached other State been toki,ii they refuse to go, their ration would Government and so the question of their be stopped, or 1 want to know whetlier they refusal does not arise. This is all right as far will resort to some form of propaganda campaign as State Government's formal permission is in the camps to persuade these people to go opt required in such cases. But after all that and* for that work, whether they will associate is ,a technical way of looking at it. If 10 0 .0 0 0 with them these Awami League leaders and or 209.000 people are brought into a particular other leaders who have come from East Bengal State, naturally, they are not living m a vacuum and on whom* 1 presume, these refugees have and, 1 am sure, some consultation with the got more confidence than on people whom particular State Govrenments must be held. So they have not seen and met before* What I would like to know whether any hesitation are they going to do about it ? or any doubts or any questions which may be raised by the State Governments concerned, SHRI BALOOViND VERMA : The hon. U. P., Bihar, Madhya Pradesh and Orissa, Member ha* cjtfepd as many aa 7 question ami have been sought to be dispelled. For example, 1 would like to i*eply to all of them io that the naturally, they would like to know that the misapprehensions which ate in the intact of refugee? who go to their State are free from any the hon. Member may disappear. cholera infeet ion and all that. Have they taken steps to ensure that only those refugees will be So far as the fir$t question regarding conge­ sent to othsr States who have not suffered from stion in border States is concerned, the conge­ any of these diseases and that they have been stion is confined to particular places which are properly inoculated and so on, near tfte' bonier. The pnps^ire of population has increased very mu($ near the border and Secondly, as to whatever States they may there are places which are far off from the go, really 1 want to kxtow whether they have l?o’rdef where the pressure of population ia not made arrangements for taking relief material so much. Sol we have decided inat if at all to those camps, Some States may legitimately the refufeei are to remain in the border States, 137 Refimi o f m m State* to JAISTHA 3 * t$97 (SAKA) Accommodate Bmgla 138 Desh evacuees (CA) then they should & evenly distributed.Wiih that About non-lifting of the relief material end ifi view, we have decided that some of the from Dum-Dum airport, I may say, now there refugee* who have to’remain in Tripura o't in is no material left at Dum-Dum airport. That West Bengal* have to be dispersed to some photograph is old enough. A plane had come distant places in the same States. from outside. The material was taken out from the plane and it was lying there. It was Another thing that he asked was how many then that the photograph was taken. The refugees we intend to remove from .Tripura material was for Coach Behar Relief Society and West Bengal. We want to set up 50 large- and some matters were under dispute and this size Central camps in West Bengal, tTripuia dispute is now over. Tlie Danish Ambassa­ and other neighbouring States* We want to dor has assured us and delivery might have remove as marry as 25 Jakh refugees to these been done by today morning. Camps.

When I went to Calcutta on the 6th and SHRI DASARATHA DEB . (Tripura 7th, I found that tefugees were willing to li'e Fast) : How many from Tripura ? together. Refugees coming from a single SHRI BALGOV1KD VERMA : I have village wanted that they should be put in a got the information. If you want 1 will give single place. This is but natural. We have you later on. therefore decided that the people of a single village, wherever this can be arranged, should So, in this way, we want to relieve the be sent together; and if this, cannot be arranged pressure of these States. We are doing our or made available, they should be persuaded best. to go. Therefore, every effcrt will be made and no coercion will be used for the purpose. Regarding the transport facilities, -trains are there. We have received big-size transport planes from America, from Russia and from SHRI DHVINDER SINGH GARCHA Australia. We afe receiving from U.K. One (Ludhianp): It has been proclaimed by way, we will be using these transport .planes various* authotiticf, and it is very clear also from for carrying the materials needed for the refu­ the statement of the bon. Miriiter that we are gees, and in the other way, while returning, looking after the Bangala Desh refugees with they will be bringing in the refugees to the the hope that very soon they would be able various camps. Certain trials arc $Jj>o going to go back to their ancestral homes after the on. These planes are there and they are land­ restoration of what the hon. Minister calls ing at various parts to see whether they can normal conditions in East Bengal. But the land safely there. statement of the Pakistani President Mr. Yahya Khan a few days ago should have given us a Regarding the non-stopping of trains 1 may verv strong jolt. He had said that he was say this. • They go on Funning non-stop and willing to take back a few Pakistanis who had they stop only at stations where it is necessary strayed into India, but he could- not throw to stop for taking water or other provisions. open the flood-gates for Indian destitutes to About the doubts of the States residing enter Pakistan. It is very clear from this that he intends to label these Bangla Desh refugees the refugees, 1 may say, we have taken evety as Indian destitutes and, therefore, Pakistan precaution to see that such refugees who are would not be willing to take back at least the suffering from cholera or other diseases are majority of these people in the near future, not sent; only those are sent who are not suffering from cholera or other diseases. This is being checked. Doctors are there. With They have been pushing Pakistanis or Bast the permission of the doctors only, these refu­ Bengal citizens into India intentionrlly and in gees could be shifted from there. We do not a very calculated way. They evacuated a want that this dirty disease should spread all five strip all along the Bangla border. They over India* Therefor ** are taking -every did not take a single person from the five- precaution before removing these refugees mile strip deeper into East Bengal, but pushed from there. We take this precaution to see them on to Indian terriory. In view of this, that they are ftee from these diseases. can we reasonably hope that Pakistan m o M 139 Refusal of some States to JtTNH II, 1971 Accommodate A tifla Desk 140 evacuees (CA)

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MR. SPEAKER : Does the Minister The simple question was whether certain really believe that they will go back 1 States had refused to lake them. But here is SHRI SAMAR GUHA : If the Govern­ avery good Minister who is replying to all ment leaves the nincompoop stance in respect sorts of questions and 1 am a good Speaker of Bang]a Desh, they will go back ..... keeping silent all the time (Interruptions ) SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE: (Gwalior). And we are good members who SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (KANPUR) : are raising all sorts of questions. He is always attacking the Government and by attacking the Government he is strengthe­ «ft snt. *ft. *v ? it* ^rtrr^n: Sr ning the hands of Yayha.

w t ft? 5 ft r ^ f « f f Mfirarifr SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I repeat if this n $ t o t v tt Government sheds the nincompoop stance fsr^r^iflr ?r$f £pfi, s o t w r ^ they will be compelled to stop the butchery, killing and turning away and then they will fon srr^TT i %»r ^ w *nrrcrr< % *£cr gb back. But the Government here are talking w * »r$ t for aft and talking ...... (Interruptions) fatorcr % w arm, ^ tprrsr ^ forr qrr^rcr «fhc s r w n ft SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : He is overdoing it. * # %»rr i f *?$ arrnTrr *rrfsrT j f a MR. SPEAKER : 1 should say to prof. m m m twren: $ t 3r Samar Guha that something is worng with you. ?rwrc r frfo w $ • SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : It is always wrong, not sometimes. «ftf qrwiftfo* *nfi wfr w t o t SHRI SAMAR GUHA : What the Govern­ t o v r « w ment is doing is a great wrong, I may be ft tittle % f^«r?nr «*m*qT t ^ ^ w bit wrong ...... (Interruptions) « m % f w «ff *<§r 1 1 a ft ?r% «rr SHRI PILQO *MGJ>Y (Godura): Are ^ | , sw% f m w w % ttw rw *r$ t you disagreeing with him ? MR, SPEAKER : I only disagree with w f f t t Piloo Mody. 1* ^ to If i wwr so $*n: rft «W qffift w l: W jm <1

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sr^t w |*< *rer t» ^ ?'< THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING & TRANSPORT in* vfffa % wnif *rc ^ (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR): I beg to lay on *r $mxr roTf ?r|f 11 *r1r yenfr 'Tff^fr the Table a copy of the Mysore Legislature $ srcfr «?r !?«r *w x | | « (Salaries of Members) (Amendment) Rules, 1971 published in Notification No. G.S.R. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 117 in Mysore Gazette dated the 7th May, H arbour): Sir, I have a very iimportant 1971, under sub-section (2) of section 15 of matter to be brought to your notice- 1 will the Mysore Legislature Salaries Act, 1956 take not more than a minute. read with clause (c) (iv) of the Proclamation dated the 27th March, 1971, issued by the MR. SPEAKER : Only one minute. President in relation to the State of Mysore. [Placed in library See No. LT-~ 379/71). SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Yes, sir. Mr. John Stonehouse, a member of A n n u a l R eport o f E xecutive C ommittee Parliament, and a former British Minister, has of T rustees o r V icto ria M emorial suggested the setting up of an International H a ll , C alcutta Commission of Jurists to consider the war­ tim es of Pakistan military leaders W Baagla THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN t h e Desh, and to bring them on trial. He has MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL very correctly pointed out that the* awful WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY); genocide, horror and barbarity of the Pakistan I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the Annual army in the State J*ad passed the stage of Report Qftnti vtA Bnfctish vtasfom) ©* Un» being an internal aftalr and was now a matter Executive Committee of the Trustees of the for the world community to take note of. He Victoria Memorial Hall, Calcutta, for the has demanded immediate ac& n by the Security year 1969-70, together with Audited Accounts* Council under the GenocrfSS Conference in [Placed in Library See. No. LT.—3&0/71J. which Pakistan is a signatory. He insists that the convention be enforced fey every form of ttatted Nations presstu* and if necessary Notifications under Central Excise by direct intervention. We must* react to it Roles, Central Excite A m S a w immediately and set the ball rolling without act, and Customs Act any delay. Thank you. t m MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MR. SPEAKER : Papers to be M on MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI KJR, tho ftb te. GANESH): I beg to lay on the TaWe— W P m n lfild w m n > 1971 B.OM. 148

I Shri K. R. Ganesh } the week commencing from 14th June, 1971* (1) A copy of the Notification No. will consist of:— G.S.R. 612 (Hindi and English versions) (1) Consideration of any item of Govern­ published in Gazette of India dated the ment Business carried over from to­ 24th April, 1971 issued under the Central day’s Order Paper. Excise Rules, 1944, together with an explanatory memorandum. C Placed in (2) Consideration and passing of the library set Ho. 3LT-381/71.) Salaries and Allowances of Officers of Parliament (Amendment) Bill, 1971 (3) A copy each of the Central Excise (Sixth (3) Discussion on the Statutory Resolu­ Amendment) Rules, 1971 (Hindi and English versions) published in Notifi­ tion seeking disapproval o f the Main­ cation No. G.S.R. 771 in Gazette of tenance o f Internal Security Ordinance 1971 and consideration and passing of India dated the 22nd May, 1971, under the Maintenance of Internal Security section 38 of the Central Excite and Salt Bill, 1971. Act, 1944. [Placed in Library see No. LT—382/7l.J (4) Discussion on the Statutory Resolu­ tion seeking disapproval of the West (3) A copy each of the following Notifications Bengal Security (Tripura Re-enacting) (Hindi and English versions) under se­ Second Amendment Ordinance, 1971. ction 159 of the Customs Act 1962:— (5) Discussion on the Rsloution seeking (i) G.S.R. 772 published in Gazette of approval of the Proclamation issued India dated the 22nd May, 1971, by the President on the 13th May, together with an explanatory 1971 in respect of the State of Gujarat. memorandum. (6) Consideration and passing of the Mysore-State Legislature (Delegation of (ii) G.S.R. 773 published in Gazette Powers) Bill, 1971 as passed by Rajya of India dated the 22nd May, 1971, Sabha. together with an explanatory memorandum. (7) Consideration of a motion for con­ [Placed in Library see No. LT—383/71] currence in the recommendation of Rajya Sabha for reference of the Advo­ N otification under Companies act cates (Amendment) Bill, 1970 to a THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE DE- Joint Committee. PARATMENT OF COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA) : 1 beg SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) rose:— to lay on the Table a copy of Notification No. G.S.R. 68$ (Hindi and English versions) MR. SPEAKER : 1 have examined your published in Gazette of India dated the 4th letter. These matters cannot be raised now May, 1971, under sub-section (3) of section while the Business Advisory Committee report 637 of the Companies Act, 1956 I Placed in is under consideration. I cannot allow that. Library see No. LT-~384/7l.J / will forward it to the minister, bat I am not going to make it a debating hour. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I want to make a submission through you to the Minister 12.41 his. of Parliamentary Affairs. It has never happened BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE in this House before. Important ministers are going outside when the House is in session T H E MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY ...... AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS­ MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : With record. your permission, Sir, I rise to announce that Government Business in this House during SHRI SAMAR GW A ; ***

***Not recorded m B. a U. JYAISTHA 21, t m ((SAJCA) D. Q. (Mmipw), 1971-72 150

MR, SPEAKER: I am very much tired SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : All the Bill, you. Please sit down. You say so many that were pending before the House and which lags which have nothing to do with the lapsed because of the dissolution of the Fourth business before the House* You abruptly Lok Sabha are being considered for re-intro­ get up and start interrupting. Krndly sit down. duction, Otherwise, 1 will have to do a very unpleasant duty. May I bring it before the House that this SHRI PJLOO MODY: With priority? gentleman is interrupting ail the time, defying the Chair? This is very wrong. The question SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : We shall try is about the report of the Business Advisory to take an appropriate decision about priori­ Committee. The Business Advisory Commi­ ties. It applies to Architects Bill and other ttee confines itself with the total business Bills. before the House, including the no-day-yet- uaxned motions. You are introducing any* thing in the world in this. You are asking, ‘Why Mr. Khadilkar has gone abroad. What about Mujibur Rehman? Holding regular 12.48 hrs. halfrhour discussions and so on. 1 will have to ask him to withdraw if he persists DEMANDS FOR GRANTS fMANIPUR) like this. 1971*72-(Ce>n/rf.)

SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE MR. SPEAKER : The House will now (Gwalior): Sir, may I suggest that Shri Samar take up further consideration of the Manipur Guha may see you in your chamber and Budget. Shri S. M. Banerjee will continue convince you? his speech. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): MR, SPEAKER : Do you think that he Sir Yesterday I was referring to the difficulties does not see me in my chamber ? In fact, faced by the people of Manipur and the indi­ I would invite ail of you to sit with me when fference of the government towards some of he sees me in my chamber. the burning problems. 1 have explained yes­ terday that Manipur is a beautiful place SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi): The which can be developed as one of the main Lokpal and Lokayukt Bill, which had been attractions for our tourists, both from India passed by the Lok Sabha and which was pend­ and abroad. ing in the Rajya Sabha, lapsed because of the midterm poll. As early as 1%6 the Admini- trative Reforms Commission Submitted a Another problem which is agitating the report to- the government recommending minds of the people of Manipur is the want an institution like Ombudsman. On of good roads. If one wants to go to Mani­ the basis of that report Government pur from Calcutta he has to go by train which prepared a Bill, ’ the House referred it passes through Nagaland, through unsafe to the Joint Cpmmittee, which topk evidence places, where people are looted and murder­ and then submitted a report to the House. ed. The other alternative is to go by plane. The Lok Sabha* passed this Bill and then re­ ferred it to the Rajya Sabha for their passing. We have requested several times in this Now that Bill has lapsed on account of the House both the Minister of Civil Aviation and Midterm poll, may I know when that bill is the Minister of Finance—a representation likely to be brought up again? Similarly, the was made to the Prime Minister also by the Commissions of Itjqujry Amendment Bill also representatives who came to see her to discuss lapsed on account of the dissolution of Lok the various problems confronting the people Sabha. When will (hat Bill be brought up a of Manipur to reduce the phffte fare from gatq ? Calcutta to Imphal. If one has to travel* it is not for enjoymeat’t sake or for reereatio* SHfU P1LOO MODY (Godhra): And or luxurious travelling but he or she has to tito Afcfaite*t» Bill. travel because there is no other way out. So m 04 <7. (M tm iput) iumu,lfxt 1971*72 m

I Shri S. M. Banerjee ] and trading institutes should be there. Train, till communications improve and there are ing should be given not only in handicrafts m d facilities, as long as the people of Mani­ but also to make good articles. 1 know, they pur and Tripura have to travel by plane, sotely depend on the subsidy which they, get because there is no other way out, we should from the Centre. Even items of daily con* introduce some sort of a Janata plane so that sumption are being sent from other States and the fare may be reduced. An assurance was they do not have them in Manipur. This given in this House—I do not exactly retnember dependence on the Centre should come to an the date—two years back that this matter will end. That would come to an end only when receive sympathatic consideration from the elections are held, a democratic government Minister. Unfortunately, the Civil Aviation comes into power and statehood is granted. Minister is not here but 1 would request the hon. Minister of Finance, Shri Ganesh, who Last but not the least, 1 would again request 's here , to pass on this information to him this Government to realise the gravity of the with the request that if this could be done this situation and grant Statehood to the people would be a boon to the people of Manipur, of Manipur. All sections in Manipur want Statehood, why should they not? When the Then, about the development of small- Statehood was granted to Himachal Pradesh, scale industries, you know, the handicrafts we were all happy. I remember my hon. friend, of Manipur are world famous. There are Shri Meghachandra, a Member form Manipur, certain items like a sort of quilt which they who said, "w e hope the fate of Manupir and manufacture in their cottages as home industry. Tripura is alsto going to be changed and they It is something which could be matched by any will be granted Statehood." 1 would request good quilt in the international market. But the hon. Finance Minister to convey our even in Delhi we do not get it. When we go feeling which is a genuine feeling of the people to the Manipur and Tripura Cottage empo­ of Manipur for their Statehood. If they do rium these things are not avaialable bccausc not get Statehood, there will be struggle and, they cannot produce more. There is no ultimately, they will get Statehood. What will means of production there. So, for export then be the grace left for this Government? purposes these small-scale industries should be developed. Government should spend some money on it so that the people of that row ura* (vfefrc) : particular area, specially the women, uho are v m w q p m , *r sft *rnr very hard-working, can manufacture these ir |f ^ t< f&vtt $ Chaina or by Pakistan or by any other country *cpot w w 11 W m $ which is adjacent to Manipur and Tripura may &r*r # fW rr | ftr w t * flraift nmwflr completely isolate these two Union territories from the rest of the country. Airlifting will w w % ^ w t not be possible to that extant. So, 1 would f a m ffe lr fctr m t s t w frg z m request that proper attention should be paid tie the construction of good roads. % ifWflfSlF g*J*t ft About tourism 1 have mentioned. I would afeo mention that proper colleges and schools wwrf* m t *rrar % f t m D. G. (Manipur), JYAISTHA 21.1883 (SAKA) 1971-72 154

if *pfryc fcs wftra w* w W * a telegram from tjhe Dandakaraaya Employ* ees’ Union. They had given notice of certain OfiRrr * *rnr *g *r w t | » «rsr demands to Government. The matter Is two «r*rat *p r ffcff & tftfxsc | bflx *? * 0 ! I months old. Government have so far tuttted a deafear to them and they are now on a »rap|5fe sr% i fV ff sprrt If hunger strike. May I request you to ask %qfw swr? % ffprm sfcr t f ’sp* rwr Government to take note of this and, ff Vf w f W t f%HT 3Sf> W Pt ft ipfapC ^ possible, to make a statement ■ on this immediatly? ift ^ T W TT «Tsrf !!W*f W t I m 5f f » ^ t f t t< wfeffcr 4ff sarranj *r t* v# 11 *sr *RwWr % wr«r *ft m t o m srcrr* n m : .s p a r e r «rft t If *frc fiwra orsr fw rc r % ■jf»i4>>i % argt < f mn ft»rfe |t | m f tflr vN fr ^r^fr ^ ^ rfi «prar? if f?m sft» , %3ffa ?rr

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5RFfty< ^RTar^ff OT ft I 55TT ^*TTTr Before I make any observations on the I , tftm % tfr«r sw tff tffa r? budget, I would like to make a reference to two points in the hon. Finance Minister's budget W f f t » TT^f% % *fta qtf speech which are very relevant to this budget. % w f ftfan* if srft T$ft 1 i ift These are, the mandate received from the nation I i «j1w ffarr fcrc % ?r^r . G. (Manipur), JUNE 11, 1971 1971*72 160

{Shri N, Tombi Singh) dissolution of the fourth I ok Sabha in the make a definite commitment that the Bill will month of October last, and that saved a situa­ be introduced and passed in this session. I tion which was developing into one of terrific am not merely expressing sentiments. ! am magnitude. Now, the question remains when putting the facts before the House and before the Government of India, under the able the Home Ministry. leadership of tt»c Prime Minister, is going to fulfil this commitment to the people and show Having said this, 1 come to the next issue- their are:t wisdom preservation of the territorial integrity of Manipur. Manipur has no popular Government now. The popular Government functioning under There has been a lot of discussion on this subject and there has been discovery of a lot the Union Territories Act was dissolved in October, 1969. In coming October, Presi­ of mistakes on the part of the Government of India. If I remember correctly, even the dent's rule will be completing its second year. Prime Minister had admitted publicly on some This is a very significant aspect of the political occasions that while the three sub-divisions situation there. All the political parlies there, of Manipur were included in the cessation of including my party, decided that there would operations agreement entered into between be no participation in any election under the the Government of India and Nagaland it was existing Union Territorise Act. because the without the knowledge and consent of the people have realised that the Assembly and people of Manipur. That was a great mistake. Ministry under this Act arc just a semblance It was admitted that it was too late to correct of a popular government. The powers are that mistake. Fven now Manipur is the so limited, the restrictions and limitations are victim of such a mistake. This has happened so many, that there is no charm in jt. There­ only because there was no proper understand fore, it was decided once and for all that until ing of our area. Delhi being far away from full Statehood is established, there will no Manipur the people here do not know the real participation in elections. This question came problems of Manipur. up when the Lolc Sabha was dissolved, because it was our right to demand mid-term election Many friends here talk of Manipur having under the existing law. But the people there, a common border with China. In fact, we irrespective of party affiliation or ideology, have common border with Burma in three decided not to participate in such elections. directions There is no common border with It might have been a coincidence or perhaps it China. Burma is our major neighbour artel was out of respect to the people's will that the we have a long common border with her. On Government of India also did not order mid­ the Burmese side, as well as on the otner side, term elections under the exist ing law in Manipur. that is, the border with other States of our Even if there was an order to that effect,there, country, we have many problems and* there would have been no participation in the has been no adequate attempt made to fathom election. Therefore, any further delay in and understand the depth of these problem*. bringing the necessary legislation for confer­ Our only consolation is that at the national ment of Statehood on Manipur will create level there are sings of increasing understanding serious problems. Ideologically and tempera­ of the problems, and if this goes on at rapid mentally, f am not one who usually gives speed no more furhter mistakes will be made. warnings or threats, because of all the parties Any attempt to disintegrate Manipur, to weaken the Congress Party lias never indulged in mere or reduce the size or territorial intergrity of threats. But on different occasions, we have Manipur will not only endanger Manipur received replies from the House Minister and but will be a danger to the whole of that other ministers that the matter is being examin­ region and of the country for that matter. ed, it is under consideration, it is coming up T am saying this with all conviction in my in due course, etc. Such stock replies are commend and the knowledge of the historical misplaced and are not called for under the background the conditions obtaining there existing circumstances. Though the Finance and the security problems of that area. Minister is not in charge of Home Affairs or directly dealing with political issues, I hope Coming to the removal of the regional he would be competent to reply to this. We disparities in the industrial sphere, Manipur reasonably expect that in his reply, he will is full of industrial potentialities* Raw mote- 161 0 . G. (Hanjpur), JYA1STHA 2), 1893 (SAKA) 1971-72 162 rials for paper, matches, and cement are We see in this Budget that some amount available there. Here 1 may say that for some­ has been earmarked. We have nothing to time I hud an opportunity to associate myself say against that. The point J would like to with government, I know how the Eastern Zonal emphasize is that when we spend, there are Council was discussing the development of the two aspects of it. One is just temporary and eastern region in the sphere of industries and routine expenditure, which goes in the form power supply.Decision were taken only on poli­ of salaries and other things, and which goes tical consideration. Small units like Manipur, from hand to mouth. The other form of Tripura, Nagaland, NEFA and Meghalaya expenditure is long term investment in the should not be judged by their sue or popula­ form of industries and Similar other things, tion alone but by their resources and poten­ which will grow into national assets and which tialities, too. Now in order to conduct a will not only strengthen that region but will geological survey in Manipur we require also strengthen the national economy and the a lot of political pull. So, in spite of the pot­ national security in that area. The second entialities we are not able to have a geological aspect is lacking and wc have to develop the survey. For instance, we have been depending awareness of if not only in the ruling party on our own rosoureccfc of iron ore at Kak- or in the Opposition parties but the whole ching for our necessities in the early days. country has to educate itself about that. Every citizen has to educate himself in the proper A geological survey will discover a number altitude. of valuable things which will not only ’be useful for Manipur but will also enrich the We have been demanding the inclusion of count iy. Manipuri language in the Eighth Schedule. This may sound very strange to some of our There has been in some quarters, even in friends who arc always interested in the number responsible quarters a very improper and of people and ask, “ How many are you; what wrong attitude shown towards the small is your population ?" This runs counter to the units, the other day, last Friday, I remember, whole concept of culture. Manipur is not when we discussed a Private Member's Reso­ a mere accidental collection of a few people J t lution, there was a refererce by some hon. has had its history and cultural background for Member from the other side that the Central the last thousands and thousands of years Government should sec that for political unconnected with the rest of the world and misbehaviour grants are withdrawn and they surrounded by long ranges of hills. It has arc punished by withdrawing financial developed into a very rich culture. Now it assistance. This is nothing but an is a part of India and we are all proud, that expression of colonial attitude. We have it is a part of India. The people of India have been trying to justify our sympathy for Bangla also contributed to the development of this Desh because that has been treated as a culture. This culture and development colony by West Pakistan. We should search of the Manipur language has taken place our own hearts and develop a proper attitude in spite of the smallness of the area, it has towards small units.. So that we may not been the language of the court and of offices commit such a mistake ourselves, I do not till its integration with the rest of the country talk of Manipur alone; there might be other in October 1949. Now when we demand its victims of thi* improper attitude. J know, inclusion in its right place, in the Eighth Sche­ many big officers coming to Manipur from dule of the Constitution, we arc asked how outside just talkjvery irresponsibly. We cannot many people speak that language and blame them; they reflect the thinking of a cer­ how many books arc there. The tain section of the people. They say that same question arose when wc wanted they are spending in Manipur, a small area, Manipuri to have a place in the higher uni­ their money and they have a right to interfere versity education when we found it in our affairs, as if it is a small colony of a hard to convince the learned people of a par­ big country and every body just entering it ticular university, who had no knowledge from outside the border has a right to inter­ of Manipuri, as to the attainment of this fere and safeguard his money. The whole language be proposed the opening of a concept, the attitude, the pattern of financing Manipuri Section in the University Library M wrong. so that one could judge the attainment of 163 D. 6. (Manipur), ttJNE, 11,19 n m

IShriN. Tombi Singh ) Government of India have accepted in princi­ the language after seeing the number of ple the demand of the people of Manipur along books written in the ages, the number of with Tripura and Meghalaya for Statehood, subjects covered and the history of the thus putting the seal of the Government of development of the language...... India on the basic aspirations of the people Mfc. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Please con- of Manipur. chide now. The Cabinet Sub-Committee has been SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH : Yes, Sir. I discussing this question and the problem am grateful for the indulgence that you that is there is of finding an integrated const* have shown to me. (utional arrangement for the entire m>tb- eastern area consisting of Manipur, Meghalaya Having said this, with all the emphasis and Tripura. This discussion that is going at m y command, I would iike to say that on has reachcd an advanced stage and le»»- sufficient measures be taken up at the Gove­ salative proposals are being draw up. There rnment level and necessary legislation be is no question, as some iion. Members from taken up to include Manipuri in the Eighth the other side pointed out, of going back on Schedule as early as possible, the assurance that has been given to the people of Manipur. I can only aw»urc the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : You have House that in the quickest possible time, tie made your point. That is all. necessary legislation (or the Statehood o( Manipur will be introduced. I have SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH : 1 wanted to noted the warning that our friend cover a few other points. has given.! shall communicate this to the admi­ With these few words, I would like to nistrative Ministry concerned. He wanted a commitment that the Bill will be introduced emphasize once again that in his reply, about the confirment of the Statehood on Manipur, in this session of the House. a, definite deadline may be indicated. They There has been quite alot of general have received a massive mandate from the p o litical criticism made that for the last 20 people, including the people of Manipur. years we have not been able to do anything. THE MINISTER OF STATF. IN THE. The only point that I wish to submit here is MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R. that in our recent Parliamentary election, GANESH): Mr.Deputy-Spcakcr, Sir, I am thank­ the mid-term poll, the people of Manipur ful to hon. Members who have taken pari in have sailed With the national mainstream and the debate on the Demands for Manipur. for the first time, as the hon. Member pointed out, both the seals in the Manipur area were The debate has been very instructive and, won by the present ruling jjarty. particularly, the Members who come from Manipur have put before this House the real A Territory like Manipur requires a much feelings of the people of that area. faster rate of development. It requires much greater outlay. It requires much greater inve­ Coining from an area which is as ancient stment. This, the Government of India has and ail uflder-dcvelopcd as Manipur, knowing been trying to do. Plan after plan, the outlay tftt problems of a distant far-stretched area, on Manipur hay increased tremendously-from knowing the problems and complexities of the First Plan to the Present Plan- and efforts development of such an area, knowing the are being made, within the resources available, inherent inadequacies in the administrative to realise the strategic importance of the area, system Of suth an area, 1 am in a position particularly in the present almost explosive to understand more intimately the problems situation that exists as a result of the tragic that have been focused here, particularly, by events that Shave taken place in Banglft Desh. Members belonging to Manipur. In the Plan outlay, whereas Rs. 12.88 The major question raised here was the crores was allotted during the Third Plan- question of Statehood. As this House knows, which itself is much higher than what was ♦he Prime Minister had announced that the allotted in the previous Plans preceding it,- t), <7. (Manipur), MISTHA 21/1893 (SAXA) 1971-72 166 in tfve Fourth Win, the Plan outlay is of the compared with those in many other parts Of oitfef * f Rs* 90.25 cro n s. This is ft much the country. higher outlay, moretfoan twice the figure or the Second Plan. We realise the need for buil­ tn education itself, there has been a demand ding the infra-structure, the need of providing for having a university of Manipur. Thet>, roads, communication facilities, socilal services the proposal is there to have a centre o f the etc. and these have been taken care of as far Jawaharlal Nehru University for post-graduate, «$ the Fourth Plan is concerned. studies, and a team headed by Dr. NagChau- dhuri is visiting that area and their report is Mr. Dasaratha Deb made the point that awaited. there is more expenditure on Police and less expenditure on Education, Social Services If we take the health services also, the and Development. This is actually a genera) provision for health scrcvices in 1970-71 was criticism, a political criticism, but , as far Rs. 34 lakhs, and in 1971-72 . it is Rs. 49 lakhs. as facts are concerned, I think they will disp­ Manipur has 13 hospitals. 12 primary health rove this. Of course, in a strategic area like centres, 38 primary health sub-centres and Manipur, with certain political distortions 63 dispensaries, and 200 beds arc proposed to be added to the existing hospitals. So, in that have taken place there, and with this sphere of puolic health also, an attempt so many other factors, the Policc there is bound to be more than in other areas; but has been made to provide modern medical even then 1 wish to point out that the expe­ facilities as far as possible to the people of nditure on Education in 1071-72 is Rs. 4.62 Manipur. Once again, I submit that in an area crores whereas the expenditure on Police (ike that in which the medical facilities have is only Rs. 3.37 crores. to be provided on a scale which may be much bigger than the developed areas, much more SHRI DASARATHA PF«(Tripura Cast) : might have to be done considering the resour­ What about Industries and Agriculture ? ces, 1 think that the Government of India will take this into consideration. Transport and SHRI K .R. GANESH : 1 have heard you communications, for industrial development patiently. I will come to that. I have taken and for strategic reasons and for giving you very seriously. minimum facilities to the people are very vital in an area like Manipui. In the Fourth As far as Education is concerncd, there Plan, nearly Rs. 10.88 crores have been allotted has been a slight increase, even this year, from Tor roads and Rs. 80 lakhs for road transport, Rs, 4.5 crores to Rs. 4.62 crores. Manipur and this works out to one-third of the total has 14 colleges, one Industrial Training Insti­ Plan outlay of Rs, 30.25 crores. A road linking tute, one Law College, one Science College, Silchar in Assam to lmphal with a length of one BT college, one Arts College, and one about 224 k. m. is already under construction, Sangect Maha Vidyalaya. The Student and this will meet the immediate needs of the Population is 2 1/2 lakhs of which 80,000 are communication system as far as Manipur girl students. There is 13 per cent outlay for is conccrned. 1971-72 on the Plan side and on the non- Plan side It is 25 per cent. These are figures In the same way, if we take electricity* which show that one need not be ashamed, Manipur has got very inadequate electricity. neett not be on the defence. The installed capacity has been doubled to 5500 k. w., and a Rs. 2.8$ crores ^rc being As I indicated in the beginning, coming spent this year on hydro-clectric project at from a Territory which has got simitar problems Loktak in the Central sector. I know that higher outlay for development is necessary. In connection with industrial development, yesterday, another Member from Manipuf But a very serious attempt has been made pointed out that the administration of Manipur to meet the immediate requirements of the had recommended various projects for the Manipuri people* As far as education is consideration of the Central Qovermnent. concerned, the provision that has made and 1 have tried to find out the stage in which institution that has been created these projects are or the stage in which these ***** Pill not stand at a disadvantage as proposals are. I have some facts about them. D, C. (Manipur)* JUNE 11, 1911 1WM2 lit,

cies is directed to locating places where indu- t Shri K. R. Ganeshl stries could be set up and helping in the inte- As Tar as the cement factory is concerned, grated development o f the area. a survey by the Geological Survey of India to assess the availability of limestone and other These are some of the points raised. As 1 said in the beginning, the aspirations of th« materials in Manipur has been undertaken* Manipur people for full statehood and the and tht Government of Manipur has entru- desire of these cultured and hard-working sted to the Cement Corporation of India the people for rapid development to come up to work of preparation of a feasibility report. the level of the other advanced communities It is expected that this report will be ready of India in the shortest possible time, as have in tne course of the current year. been placed in this House, are recognised by For the paper mill also, a projcct report Government and all efforts are bting made, and pre-investment survey of forest and river within the resources available, to see inat discharge during the year and other factors they arc fulfilled. connected with the project are under consi- MR. OFPUTY-SPEAKhR : There are deration and are under preparation, and the 17 cut m otions ! shull put them together to preparation of the feasibility report has also vote. been taken up, and oncc the viabilitv of this project is established, it is intended to Att the cut motions ane put ami negatived. request the public sector corporation to set up a project for the manufacture of paper. MR. DLPU1Y-SPLAKLR : I he question As far as the starch-cum-glucose-cum-corn is : flakes unit is concerned, this can be taken up ontv when the power supply in Manipur “That the respective sums not cxcceding is increased. In the meanwhile, the Food the amounts shown in the fourth column of Corporation of India las been rcauestcd by the order paper be granted to the President the Manipur Administration to procure maire out of the Consolidated fund of the Union in Manipur in the current year so that cult- Territor> of Manipur to complete the ivators get adequate price for their produce. sum necessary to defray the charges which will come in course of payment during A provision of nearly Rs. 46 lakhs has the year ending the 31st day of March 1972. been made for large and medium industry in respect of the following demands entered Shri Deb pointed out that this provision in the second column thereof. may not be large, but 1 can assure him that Demands Nos. I to 44”. because Manipur's develoment now depends The motion was adopted on the infra-structure that has got to be built, the communications system that has to be I The motion for Demand* for Grand which and the additional power that will were adopted by the Lok Sabha are reproduced be generated, there will be no difficulty in below—Ed. J providing the finance for any viable project

that the administration of Manipur as well De man d No . 1—La n d Rfcvtwut as the Planning Commission and other agencies lave. “ That a sum not exceeding RsJ4,19,000/-

Apart from this, the whole territory be granted to the President out of the Cons*

Manipur has been selected for, concessional iidated Fund of the Union territory of

finance by financial institutions like IFC, Manipur to complete the sum uecessary

IOBI, and the whole territory outside the to defray the charges which will come in

municipal limits or Imphal has also been course of payment during the year ending

refected for 10 per cent outright grant by 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of'L and Government to new industries that may be Revenue.” set tip there. Recently a survey team sponsored D emand no . Excise . fey the 10B1 carried out a survey to explore 2 -S ta te the possibilities of establishing industries in

Manipur. So the attention o f Government ‘♦That a sum not exceeding Rs. 1,73,000/* b* granted to ttoie President out of the Com o * and Us various institutions and financial agen- 169 D. G. {Manipur). JYA1STHA 21,1893 (SAKA) 1971-72 170

Jidated Fund of the Union territory of D em and n o . 8— P a rlia m en t , Sta # a nd Manipur to complete the sum necessary Un io n T erritories Leg isl a t u r e to defray the charges which will come in “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 7,64,000/- course of payment during the year ending be granted to the President out of the Conso­ 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of ‘State lidated Fund of the Union territory of Excise’.” Manipur to complete the sum necessary to defray the cnarges which will come in D fm and n o , 3 -~ T axf .s on V eh ici fs course or payment during the year ending “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 76,000/- 31st day of March, 1972 in respect o f‘Parlia­ be granted to the President out of the Conso­ ment . State and Union Territories Legislature*.*’ lidated Fund of the Union territory of D em and No.9 - G in f .ral A dministration Manipur to complete the sum necessary “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 64,64,000/* to defray the charges which will come in be granted to the President out of the Conso­ course of payment during the year ending lidated Fund of the Union territory of 31st day of March, 1972, in respect o f ‘Taxes Manipur to complcle the sum necessary on Vehicles'.'* to defray the charges which will come in course of payment during the year ending D fmand no . 4—Saifs T ax 31st day of March, 1972, in respect o f ‘General “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 71,000/- Administration' hc granted to the president out of the Conso­ D fm a n d n o . 10—A dministration or J usticf . lidated Fund of the Union territory of Mani­ pur to complete the sum necessary “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 3,16,000/- to defray the charges which will come be granted to the President out of the Conso­ in course of payment during the year ending lidated Fund of the Union territory of 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Sales Manipur to complete the sum necessary Tax.*’ to defray the charges which will come in course of payment during the year ending 31st day D fm and n o . 5- O nim T a x is and Dirrirs of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Administration “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 2.000/- of Justice’ be granted to the President out of the Conso­ D em and n o . 11— J a r s lidated Fund of the Union territory ol “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 3,71,000/- Manipur to complete the sum necessary be granted to the President out of the Conso­ to defray the charges which will come in lidated Funo of the Union territory of course of payment during the year ending Manipur to complete the sum necessary 31st day of March, 1972, in respect o f ‘Other to defray the charges which will come in Tam and Duties'.” course of payment during the year ending 1st day of March, 1972. in respect o f‘JaiK*.” D em and n o . 6— S tamps “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 17,000/- D fm and n o . 12— P olice be granted to the President out of the Conso­ “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 2,24,41,000 f' lidated Fund of the Union territory of be granted to the President out of the Conso-. Manipur to complete the sum necessary Udated Fund of the Union territory of to defray the charges which will come in course Manipur to complete the sum necessajy of payment during the year ending 31st day to defray the charges which will come in course of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Stamps’ of payment during the year ending 31st day of March, 1972, in respect o f ‘Police’ D f.m and n o . 7— R bgw tration D em and N o . 13—-C iv il Su ppl ie s “ Thai a sum not exceeding Rs. 57,000/- be granted to the President out of the conso­ “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 1,65,000/* lidated Fund of the Union territory of be granted to the President out of the Conso­ Manipur to complete the sum necessary lidated Fund of the Union territory of to defray the charges which will come in course Manipur to complete the sum necessary of payment during the year ending 31st day to defray the charges which will come tn of Murch, 1972, in respect, ;of ffcegistr*tk>n‘ ,*• course of payment during the year ending 31, 171 D. G. (!vfanipur) , JUN E ll , 19 7 1 197 J -72 172

[Mr. Deputy Speaker] course o f payment cluring the year ending day o f March, 1972 , in respect of Civil Supp- 3 1st day of March , 1972, in respect of' Coopera- lies:· tio n., ., DEM AND No. 14- EDUCATI .)N DFMAND NO. 20-INDUSTR •ES ' That a sum not exceeding Rs. 3,08,32,000/- "TI1at a su m not exceeding R~. 16,93,000/- he granted to the President out of tl1e Conso- be gra nted to the President out of the Conso- lidated Fund of the Un ion territory of lidated Fund of the Union terrirto ry of Manipur to complete the sum ne:essary Manirur to complete the sum necessary to defray t l1e cha rges wh ich wi II come in to defray the charges which will come in course of payment during tl1e year endin~ course of payment during the year ending 31st day of Ma rc l1, 1972. in respect of Ed u- cation .'., 31st clay o f M;Hch , 1972. in respect o f'lndu- tries.' ,. D EMAND No. 15- MWICAL DEMAND N.J. 21 - COMMUN!TY D EVE I.OPMFNT ''That a sum n0t exceed in g Rs. 55, 14,000/ - be granted to the Presi dent 0ut of the Conso- "That a sum not exceeding R s . 17,64,000/- lidate Fund of the Union territory of bc gran ted to the President o ut of the Conso - Manipur to complete the sum necessary lidated Fund of the Union terri tory of to defray the charges which w ill come in cour~e Manipur to complete the su m necessary of payment during the year ending 31 st day to defray the charges which will come in of March, 1972. in respect of 'Medical.'" course of payment during the year ending 31st clay of March, 1972, in respect o f ' Commu- D EMAND No. 16- PUil i.I C H EALTH nit y Deve lopment.' .. "That a sum not exct:ed ing Rs. 33,09,000/- be granted to the Preside nt o ut o ft he Conso- DEMAND NO. 22- l.ABO UR. lidated Fund of the Union terriroty of " Th2t a Slim not exceeding R s. 3,09,000/- Manipur to complete the sum necessary be granted to the President out of the Conso- to defray the charges wh ich will come in lidated Fund of the Union territ ory of course of payment during the year ending Manipur to complete the sum necessary 31 st day o f Ma rch. 1972. in respect of'Public to defray the charges which will como in Healthi ... course o f payment during the year ending 31 st clay o r March , 1972, in respect of' Labour'." DEMA ND No. 17- AGRICUL TURF AND FISHERIES "That a sum not exceeding Rs . 29,65,000/- D EMAND NO. 23- STATISTI CS be granted to t he President out of the Conso- "That a sum not exceedi1~ g Rs. 4,41,000/- lidated Fund of the Union territo ry of be granted to the President out of the Conso- Manipur to complete the s11n1 necessary lidated Fund o f the Union territory of to defray the charges whi ch wi II come in co11 rse Manipur to con1plete the sum necessary of payment during the year ending 31st day to defray the charges which will come in ofMarch, 1972 in respect of 'Agriculture and course of payment during the year ending Fisl·eries." ·• 31st clay o f M arcl1. 1972. in respect of 'Stati- DEMAND No. 18- ANIMAL H US flA NDRY stics':·

" That a sum not exceeding R s. 16 ,55000/- DEMAND NO. 24- IRRIGATION be granted to the President o ut of the Conos- lidated Fund of the Union territory of "That a sum not exceeding Rs. 5,67,000/- Manipur to complete the sum necessary be granted to the President out of the Conso- to defray the charges which wi~'l come in course lidated Fund of the Union territory of of payment during the year ending 31st day Manipur to completll the ~um necessary of March, 1972, in respect of ' Animal Hus- to defray the charges which will come in bandry .' ., course of payment during the year ending 31st day of March, 1972 , in respect of'Jrriga- DEMA ND NO. 19- CO-l>PERAT!ON tion'. " "That a sum not exceeding Rs. 8,06,000/- be granted to the President o ut of the Cons~­ DEMAND NO. 25-ELECTRICITY lidated Fund of the Union territory of "That a sum not exceeding Rs. 50,37,0dO/- Manipur to complete the sum necessary be granted to the President out of the Conso- eo defray the charges which will come -in lidat~d Fund or"thc Union territory of Mani·

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pur to complete the sum necessary Dr m and n o . 3 1— Sta tio n ery a n d P r i n t s to defray the charges which will come in course of payment during the year ending “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 5,11,000/- 31st day of March, 1972, In respect of ‘Ele­ be granted to the President out of the Conso­ ctricity/ ” lidated Fund of the Union territory of Manipur to complete the sum neeessary D emand no . 26—P ublic Works (Original to defray the charges which will come in Works and Repair **) course of payment during the year ending ‘'That a sum not exceeding Rs. 62,61,000/- lis t day of March, 1972, in respect o f ‘Sta­ be granted to the Presidtnt out of the Conso­ tionery and Printing’.*11 lidated Fund of the Union territory of Mani­ pur to complete the sum necessary D em and n o . 32—F orest to defray the charges which will come in “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 11,86,000/- course of payment during the year ending be granted to the President out of the Consoli­ 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Public dated Fund of the Union territory of Works (Original Works and Repairs).’ ” Manipur to complete the sum necessary to defray the charges which will come in D fm and n o . 27—P u b l ic W o r k s (E stablish ­ course of payment during the year ending m ents ) 31st day of March,1972, in respect o f ‘Forest’.1* “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 1,12,79.000/- D em and n o . 33—M iscellaneous be granted to the President out of the Conso­ lidated Fund of the Union territory of “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 39,22,000 Manipur to complete the sum necessary be granted to the President out of the Conso­ to defray the charges which will come in lidated Fund of the Union territory of course of payment during the year ending Manipur to complete the sum necessary 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of *Public to defray the charges which will come In Works (Establishments)’." course of payment during the year ending 31st day of March, 1972, in respect o f ‘Mis­ D em a n d n o . 28—R oa d T r a n s po r t cellaneous’.”

“ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 43,62,000/- D fm a n d n o . 3*— C a pit a l O utlay c n P u * r be granted to the President out of the Conso­ i-tc H ealth lidated Fund of the Union territory of “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 8,33,000 Manipur to complete the sum necessary be granted to the President out o f the Cooso* to |defray the charges which will come in 11dated Fund of the Union territory' of course of payment during the year ending Manipur to complete the sum necemty 3lst day of March, 1972, in respect of "Road to defray the charges which will come in Transport*." course of payment during the year ending D emand n j >. 29—-Famine 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Capital outlay on Public Health’. ” 4‘That a sum not exceeding Rs. 33,000/- be granted to the President out of the Conso­ DrMAND n < . 35— C a pit a l o u tlay o n M in o r lidated Fund of the Union territory of I r r ig a t io n Mini^jr to complete the sum necessary defray the charges which will come in course “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 5,07,000 of payment during the year ending 3list day be granted to the President out of the Conso­ of March, 1972, in respect o f ‘Famine*. ’* lidated Fund of the Union territory-of * Manipur to complete the sum necessary Drmand n o . 30—Pensions and other to defray the charges which will come in R etirement Ben f fits course of payment during the year ending “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 8,45,000/- 31st day of March, 1972, in respect o f ’Capital hJ granted to the President out of the Conso­ outlay on Minor Irrigation’. ” lidated Fund of the Union territory of D em and n o . 36- -C a pit a l o u tl a y o n BIUN0/ Manipur to complete the sum necessary to defray the charges which wM come in co n t r o l course of payment during the year ending “That a sum not exceeding Sfe, 13, 33,000 31st day of March< 1972,in respect offPensions be granted to the President out ofthe Cot»o? r n oth«T leW mnw# Benefits*,” lidated Fund of the Union territory of Mani* 173 p . 6. Manipur, 1971*72 JUNE M, 1*1 M rn^^f^mimimt fW

( Mr. Jfcputy Speaker ] D m u n r> no. 42—Capitm. O utlay on pujr to complete the sum necessary Inihm k*ks to defray the charges which will come in ‘♦That a sum not excec'irtg Rs. 6,67,000/- course of payment dutrng the year ending Jfst on Co- to dfcfray the charges which will come in OrCftATWN cotfrse of payment during the year ending “ Thut a sum not exceeding Fs. 1,37,000/- 34st day of March, 1972, in respect o f‘Capital mtttey on Electricity’. ” be granted to the President out of the Conso­ lidated Fund of the Union territory of D emand NO. 38 - Capital outiay on Roads Manipur to complete the sum necessary “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 1,36,67,000 to defray the charges which will come in be granted to the President out of rhe Conso­ coursc of payment during the year ending lidated Fund of the Union territory of 31st day of March, 1972, in respcct o f‘Capital Manipur to complete the sum necessary Outlay on Cooperation* ** to defray the charges which will come in D km and no . 44 -Loans and Advances course of payment during the year ending 3-lW day of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Capi­ “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 30,24,000 tal outfay on Roads/ ’* he granted to the President out of the Conso­ lidated Fund of the Union territory of D emand no . 39—C apitai outlay >n Bun dings Manipur to complete the sum necessary ‘‘That a sum not exceeding Rs. 52,37,000 to defray the charges which will come in be granted to the President out of the Conso- coursc of payment during the year ending IHAatad Fund of the Union territory of 31st day of March. 1972, in respect of ‘Loans Manipur to complete he sum necessary amd Advances*. ” t» defray the charges whcich wiil cmrte in course of payment during the year ending day of March* 1972, in respect o f‘Capital H S Z k n . Outlay on Building*'." MANIPUR APPROPRIATION (NO. 2) D fmand n o . 40—C apital outlay on R oad BILL*, 1971 * T ransport *fThat a sum not exceeding Rs. 8,00,000/- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN be granted to the President out of the Conso­ THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE.

D fmand n o . 41—C apitai outlay on Statf MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques­ ‘ T rading tion is : T>at a sum not exceeding Rs, 58,04,000/- granted introduce* be »ranted to the President out of the Conso­ “That leave he to lidated Fund of the Union territory of BiUto authorise payment and appropriation and Mmriptir to compiete the sum necessary of certain sums from out of the Conso- Fund Union to defray the charges which Will come in lidated o f the Territory o f Mani* of year courac of payment during the year ending pttr far th* sottices the financial 1971*72/* $W eay of t9?2, in respect of ‘Capital P iffly W S trne Tra#wg*. * The m#Um m u mdvptnd. pffite hed in the Graue of India Extraort inary Part If, S S io n i, ito id ll^ .fl. W JYA.1STHA 2 1 .18»3 (SAKA) BMt fMruductd 11ft

SHRI K. R. OANESH : 1 ItttrodiKfe* 14.56 tars. the Bill. BENGAL FINANCE (SALE TAX DELHI I be* to move : VALIDATION OF APPOINTMENTS , AMD PROCEEDINGS) BILL,

“ That the Bill to authorise payment and MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Wc have a appropriation of certain sums from and out few minutes more and I think we can take up of the Consolidated Fund of the Union the next Bill. Territory of Manipur for the services o f the financial year 1971-72 he taken into consi­ THE MINISTER OF STATE !N THE deration/' MJNWTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI *C. R. GANESH): MR. Deputy-Speaker Sir, I MR, DEPUT Y-SPE AKER : The ques­ beg to move : tion is ; “ That the Bill to validate appointments of certain officers under the Bengal Finance “ That the Bill to authorise payment and (Sales Tax) Act, 1941, as in force in the appropriation of certain sums from and out Union Territory of Delhi and to valiadte of the Consolidated Fund o f the Union Terri­ proceedings taken by such officers under tory of Manipur lor the services of the finan­ that Act and the Central Sales Tax Act, cial year 1971-72 be taken into cunsi 1956, be taken into consideration.14 deration.'*

Sir, as the hon. Members are aware,Section The motion wa,s adopted .1 of the Bengal Finance{sales Tax) Act, 1941 extended to the Union Territory of Delhi MR. D£PUTY*SPEA1C£R : The ques­ in 1951, provides that for carrying out the tion is : purposes of the Act, the Chief Commissioner (now Lt. Governor) may appoint a person to be Commissioner of Sales Tax together with “ That clauses. 2 and 3, the Schedule, such other persons to assist him as the Lt. Clause I, the hnacting Formula and the Governor thinks fit. In several oases the Title stand part of the Bill,” officers to assist the Commissioner of Sales Tax were appointed not under the said Section 3 but under t he service rules wherein the appoint­ ing authorities are not the Lt. Governor in The motion was adopted. Clause 1 ftnd3, all cases. Though the various officers mention­ the Schedule, Clause I. the Enacting Formula ed above were subsequently appointed by tlie and the Title were added to the Bill. Lt. Governnor under Section 3, wfcfo retros­ pective effect, their appointments are not* in accordance with the provisions of Section 3 SHRI K, R. GANESH : Sir, J Move. : aforesaid as that Section does not permit any appointment with retrospective effect. “ That the Bill be passed." These appointments are, therefore, for MR.DEPUTY-SPEAK.ER ; The question obvious reasons of doubftful validity. In a ts ; writ petition Hied before the Delhi High Court, the Dtffhi Woollen Mills challenged the appoint­ “ YlttiMli* f m fee passed” ment of one Assistant Sales-Tax Officer who was appointed with retrospective effect from f*e motion was 15.2,1965 by an order of the Lt. Governor dated 26,4.1968 Issued under the said Section 3.

of the President;T

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t Shri K. R. Ganesh ] 14.99 hrs. The Delhi Administration reviewed the PARLIAMENT (PREVENTION OF position in this context and found that there DISQUALIFICATION) AMENDMENT* wire nearly 374 such appointments which had BILL (Amendment of section 3) been given retrospective effect. It was also found thAt in about 5.55 lakh cases assess­ SHRI N. SREFKANTAN NAIR (ftttilon) s ments have been framed by such officers and a Sir, I move for leave to introduce a BiHfUcther demand of Rs. 15.25 crores (both under the to amend the Parliament (Prevention of Dis­ local Sales Tax Act and Central Sales Tax Act) qualification) Act, 1959, was created by them. The Assistant Commi­ ssioners of Sales Tax likewise appointed and MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The ques­ exercising appellate jurisdiction have disposed tion is : of over 32 thousand appeals since 1st Novem­ ber* 1951 when the liability to pay tax under ‘’That leave he granted to introduce a Bill the Act commenced, tinder the law, the further to amend the Parliameni (Pre'»e»* dealers, on whom assessments have been made lion of Disqualification) Act, 1959/' by officers not validly appointed, can challenge them within a priod of three years from the The motion was adopted. date of an adverse judicial pronouncement. Such assessments can also be challenged by SHRI N. SREF.KANTAN NAIR : Sir, I dealers in the course of recovery proceedings. introduce I he Bill. In case the refunds of tax already collected were to be allowed as a result of any adverse judicial pronouncement, it would, apart from creating serious inroads to the resources posi­ 15 hr*. tion of the Government, have resulted in an unitended benefit to the dealers and not to the CONSTITUTION (AMENDMFNT) BILL purchasers as the former would have already (Amendment of article 74) reimbursed to themselves, the sleas tax from the purchasers. With the approval of the DR. KARNI SINGH (Bikaner) : I Executive Council, the Delhi Administration beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill moved the Government of India for the further to amend the Constitution of India. immediate promulgation of an Ordinance to rectify the defect. MR. DEPUTV--SPEKER : The qucMion is : The Ordinance title the Bengal Financc Tax) (Delhi Validation of Appoint* “ That leave be granted to introduce a menu and Proceedings) Ordinanc, 1971 Bill further to amend the Constitution of promulgated by the President on 18th May, India/" 1971 validates appointments of the Officers concerned and the proceedings taken by such The motion was adopted officers under the aforesaid Bengal Act and the Central Sales Tax Act, 1956. The need for DR. KARNI SINGH : I introduce the Bill, validating the proceedings under the latter Act has arisen because the administrative authoritis under both the Acts are the same. AGE RELAXATION (SERVICES) BILL* The present Bill seeks to replace the above Ordinance by an Act of Parliament. J SHRI B.K. DASCHOWDHURY (Cooch- request the House to unanimously accept the behar): 1 bsg to m o/-; for leave to introduce Bill. a Bill to provide for relaxation of age for entry in to public scrviccs in certain cricumstances.

♦Publi -tied in the Gazette of India Extraordinary Part n>Sect*»n 2, dated M.6-71. > Constn. (A tndt.) JYA1STHA 21» 1*93 (SAKA) Bill by Shri Mamt m

MR. DEPUTY-—(SPEAKER : The que­ DR. KARNI SINGH (Bikaner) : Wi» stion is : 1 have time to move my Bill for consideration ?

‘ 'That leave he granted to introduce a Bill MR. DFPUTY-SPEAKER : Yes. Now, to provide for relaxation of age for entry Mr, salve was on his legs on the last occasion into public services in certain circumstanced'. He will continue. SHRI N. K. P. SALVE (Betul) : Mr, The motion was adopt e Deputy—Speaker, Sir, part of my speech was over that day. I think that was the part in SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : 1 which I was pointing out to Mr. Maran that introduce the Bill. in his weighty arguments he had come out with voluminous statistics and those statistics were absolutely overwhelming. They were CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL. so complicated that one very happy feature (Arne mi meat o f Article 324) of those statistics was hardly any one under­ stood the same in the House. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA (Be- gusarai ) : 1 beg to move for leave to intro­ AN HON. MEMBER: including yourself. duce a Bill further to amend the Constiutiin SHRI N.K.P, SALVE: I could not follow of India. thos statistics very clearly and J hope when MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The ques­ lie replies, some of the salient statistics, I am tion is : sure, he will repeat. At any rate, trying to get the Constitution amendedonthe basis of “ That leave be granted to introduce a statistics us he has come out with, 1 think, is Bill further to amend the Constitution of India." oversimplification of the matter for the simple reason that nobody will dispute, nobody will The motion was adopted doubt that by this amendment, a very cardinal, a very basic and fundamental principle of the SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : I Constitutional taw which we have folloed in introduce the Bill. our Constitution for years and which has been followed in different constitutions in different countries is sought to be dislodged. That CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) principle was described by Shri Bhandare BILL—contd. as the principle of equality of the people of the country. Unless there are very weighty {.Amendment of articles 81, 82 and insert jon arguments for vis to change our Comfilulion o f new article 281 A) by Shri Muraxoli and change it in a manner as to justify the depa­ Maran. rture from this cardinal principle, 1 am afraid Mr. Maran will not find any support what­ MR. DEPUTY—SPEAKER : We now soever for the amendment to the Constitution take up further consideration of the following which he is seeking. motion moved by shri Murasoli Maran on the 2*th May, 1971:— The proposed amendment to the Consti­ 4‘That the Bill further to amend the Con­ tution proceeds upon the assumption that stitution of India, be taken into consideration.” the population in 1951 in our country was as We have originally allotted two hours for it were an ideal population, and that it must this, and we have taken one hour and 36 mi­ constitution ap immutable basis for the repre­ nutes. There are just 24, minutes more, last sentation to be given to people in this House time ! think We agreed to give some more time in terms of article 81, whereas article 81 cont­ to this BUI. But we had not fixed up by how emplates representation in this chamber not much. I think one hour wit! do.(Interruption) state wise; it deems the entire country as a Shall we extend it by one hour ? 1 think that whole, the people as a whole, the nationas should be enough. We have 24 minutes rema- a whole; representation to the people as a btiogYtofo the two hours that had been allotted. whole in this chamber. Now, Shri Maram wants Sd* it' wltt now t* one hour and 24 minutes in the ; 1 ______‘ population in J951. _____ **Publ ished in the Gazette of India Extra- Ordinary Part II Section 2, dated 11,6.71, m C m tn . ( M . ) JUNE 11,15>H BUI Mmm 184

'f’S&ri N.K.f*. Salve} When I told the House the other day that there are three types of lies—lies, damned And, on the basis of that population, give lies and statistics. So, let us not be overwhe­ #%jj»wsietrtatkm. May 1 ask, what is so magical lmed by statistics. It is a human problem. tlMHittite W5I population? Me said, wc started (As I said, if we had known that I95J popu* family planning in 1951 and since we have done lation is going to be the basis for determining well in that fild as campared to other States, the number of representatives in this chamber, we must not be penalised. Thu> is an extremely we would have produced more children in tenuous and weak argument, which proceeds I9M. How can wc undo that mistake now ? on the as though until 1951 all assumption If Madras has done bitter m farmily pfenning, other States were going ahead with utmost why does Mr, Maran think that other States efficiency in producing children, ami since will not do hotter ? I understand that Maha­ Madras has excelled all other States, therefore rashtra is doing extremely well in family pla­ in I1>71 Madras should be rewarded for what nning and some day they might exceH Tamil it did in 1951. The illogicality of this argument Nadu. In fact. I was told the othei day that becomes very clear when you sec that a day in Maharashtra they are implementing the may come wh?n in a particular States there family planning programme with a vengeance may he psopk four times as much as in Madras In the case of the wife they do tubectomy and State and wh;»eas for every 100,000 men in the case of the husband vasectomv, because (hert may be a representative from Tamil Nadu, they do not want to leave either of them to in other Slates for every 400,000 men there chance independently; Maharashtra is doing may bs a representative. Therefore, it is not so well in the matter of family planning possible to so amend the Constitution which wilt take us to such an absurd situation.At any rate, if we had at all known that 1951 popu­ Kindly do not consider that article 81 is lation is going to be the basis for determine such a grat disincentive to family planning the number of representatives, before 1951 Other States will follow Maharashtra and we would have tried our best in the product- surely we will bring a‘>out a proper adiustment ivity of children. 1 do not know whither Mr. Maran was married or not in 1951, but I It hurts me that DMK has brought this was married. resolution. They have goi a wonderful set SHRI ft. V. SWAMINATHAN ( Madu- ol people here who are dedicated men. Their «*i) : Even now he is a bachelor. record of pubiic service is magnificent, This odour o! parochial approach is something SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : So the myMery which 1 want them to get away from. Why do is immediately solved why he has this parti­ you look only at Tamtlnadu ? Why not my cular approach towards the population problem. State t Madhya Pradesh has been neglected We knot? the famous Malthusian theory so much that it is difficult for me to describe that while means of subsistence grow alge­ it. If the Central Government had considered braically, population grows geometrically. that Madhya Pradesh wan not m India it This theory was shown to some great critic would not have been as bad *9 this. They in France, who there uponfsaid,“ Mr. Malthus seem to consider that India is nowhere near teems to have done very well, except that he Madhya Pradesh. This is our mtoable had not consulted his wife.” When this was condition, 1 would invite Shri Maran sometime shown to Mr. Malthus, he said, **¥ hive no to come to my rescue, to my constituency, wife. How am t to consult her V Thereupon, which if oa the way to Madras on the main the Freflch critic said. “ That h why there is Grand Trunk route. Look at the magnificent thli absufdity." We do not produce children work the EtMK members have done. They are yiith the help of algebra or geometry. We 24 members and m are 22 pn this side of the produce them usually with ttie help or wives. House from Madhya pradeshWhile we were not {interruptions). abJetodOAWtMfig, those 24 members were I do not wjmm Mr. Maran to rely vary *bl«Mrtm>wb<»t^d intimidate the Government settaisfy m the statistics. ftofwlaitett i» mot of India and get everythin* for th r iv e s . • ftoM m k of algebra m geometry. It j« fcaci* They haw *wh magnificent qua^tie^ Why drity't buma* problem, Statistic ar**40nMti* 4to they -warn 2, 3 of 4, m o w n . U > mes ties. The minister wasextfienwJy fucM ed quality that m t e n 'iim M t 185 Canst. (Amdt.) .TYAISTHA 21, 1893 (SAKA) Bill by Shri Mam 1~6

at the entire problem from the viewpoint of or separate from purely popL>lation. There· the nation as a who le. After a.ll , what is it fore , if we want to get riel of regional dispa- that ariicfe 81 contemp'ia'tt'S ''? Ji wants the ri~ies, it · i~ some other ·considerations which popu lation of t·he whO'Ie country ·to ·be taken must come jnto pl.ay. Surely, in the .Tamil into consideration. _Wj1en you are . sitting_ i11 Nadu State itse lf there will be districts which this chamber, for God is sake. forget that are backward and other districts which· are you belong fo Ta1i1ilnadu or Madhya Pradesh. more backward. Likewise in my State some Kindly consider-that ·We arc India-ns. fir,st and di stricts are backward a nd others are more Indians last. ft rs India's interest which must b.ackwa rd; tbe State as a whole is backward. come first and everything else afterw~rds. Therefore. what docs it· matter· whether your SHRT· PJ·LOO· MODY . (GodhTa) : popul~tion in 19,51 was more or l es ~ . We have The whol~ .count ry is. backward. to consider the problems oflnclia of today and not' of the l'n'clia of the past. · To rake in\o SHRI N. K. P. SALVE: Madhya.Pradesh account the popu latio n of 1951 a' the basis. has a per capita income which , I think. now looks very irrational. compares. only with that of Ori ssa .

Only one word abciut a lfocation of (unds. What is ·of importance is allocation of there is hardlo/ at~y ~ection in .thi.s House which funcls from .the Centre . Grants from . the has a great grievance about the allocation of Centre should be done o n a rational basis funds as we . from l'viacthya Pradesh. . kc.epihg the picture of the e'ntire coun'try as a whole in -view aBel keeping in view the regional .ST-JRl. G. VlSWANATHAN (Wandiwash): disparities in which eve r State they are,includ.ing Do not be parochial. Gujarat Siate. Personally, I think. that State musr ne· very poor f inancially ft'Ot11 where SHRI. N.l<.P .SALV.E : If I -had been paro- Shri Piloo Mo.dy is e lected. chial, l would have moved a Bill or resolution for (arge; ai locatio.n for Madhya· Pradesh·. · Therefore . in· view of this · po~ition of the I am spea·king ·of· our grievances. Our Chief matter and the .very, very .erudite principle which has been enunc iated by shri Bhandare, Miolster se.ems. to (eel t h~tt we are .a . se.t of who ·has _just now come, that .this will dislodge nincompoo ps, including the di;;tin guished the · principle of equality or people- that is President of tl1e vanquisl-ieti Jan sangh. He the on ly ,principls: 1 remember in l1is speech feels that all of us are not able to do -any-thing which was di stinctive for its original contri- for Madhya Pradesh. I hope Slui Manoharan bution 'and brillia nt foi· its eloq\tet ~ ce; · that will teach ·m~ the teci111iqu.e of DMK, how is one reason wh y 11-uwc forgotten that specch- they mana~ to broweat rhe Central ·Govern- 1 submit that Shri Maran would do well to ment. I am pt·epared ·to go him provided l1e withdraw this Bill. teaches me the right technique. r r .wou ld hav.e no objection even for Jarge.r >Sfr 1:1;;r. \mftn~'{i lf i2: Cfi'li ~r ·~i ·~~ - fq:;·;: I i fe oft hi s country. If they come h~re ·in (arg~r, 0 >fi ~lf fllf·~n<;(i• ~-Qr en:~· ~ I I 9 6 1 il \ii'T numbet; , well and gooct. But we have to look . at. tl'~e proWem as a wt,ole. · ¥m-1 \5tl'T ~r ';3'~· it ~~c-

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ift i f p t % ip&finr ffcsff n « i? t * our they had taken up the family planning pro­ plea that we should not be peatiM . We gramme |n the fight earoesu The P*MJL have been losing our seats, this problem Government s orfy following the p t o g m m is not being feaed afflw; even the ***viou* which waai*ttia*ed previous C o m m Government had to fate it. to r n Stale* which are oa account

( Shri R. V, Sw»minathan ] SHRI SEZHIYAN All the day*ft* deals with figures, yet when he comes to the C u ­ adherence to Family Planning programmes* mber, he probably feels that* statistics are Should be compensated. This is right time we useless, and he said,* “ Lies,* damn lies and consider what we can do for those States statistics”...... which have got reduced population. SHRI K / MANOHARAN ( Madras ‘ r cannot understand the argument of Mr. ' North?) r It was not his, but I think* it Was >'lf. R. Gopala Reddy. 1 do not know why he ,Mark T^ain’js, & requesting Mr. Maran to withdraw the Biil. If this is passed, his State will also get the SHRI SEZHIYAN : Statistics ist here for benefit. I can tell you this, if we give up this substitution of facts for fancies and logic for .Ftaoily Planning programmes, Tamil Nadu irrationality. Unless one bases one’s arguments and Andhra will exceed the rest of the country on facts and logic, one will be defeated on so far as production of population is concerned. one’s point. Julian speik that for Andhra also. There is a for iii the argument of Mr. Maran. But, I don’t see The main* point which was raised by Mr. any force in Mr. Salve’s speech. He says there R. D. Bhandare and also seconded by my is parochialism in it. I want to tell him there is hon. friend Mr. N. K. P. Salve is that it is no parochialism. If there is parochialism, 1 cardinal* principle (hat the equality o f people will oppose it tooth and nail. If there is paro­ should be accepted,. I would submit that chialism, I will be the first to oppose whether in a federal structure, it is not the equality it comes from DMK or any other party. of people alone that shoufd be counted, ut There is no such thing. This is a simple legi­ the equality of States also should be counted. timate demand. We are not asking for some­ The basic or cardinal principle in a federal thing which is more than what we are entitled; structure is that no State, whether it be big o**ly thing is that we do not want to be penalised or small, whether it is hugely populated or ,'Hiat is all. We don’t want our seats to be sparsely populated should feel any sense reduced. We don’t want more seats at others of discrimination; they should all feel equal cost. We only want that our seats should not when they meet in a chamber. This is the be reduced, should not be taken away, beacause cardinal principle in a federal structure,. If we follow family planning programmes. you take the States Reorganisation Commi­ ssion's report of 1955, you will find that Mr. > I therefore give my wholehearted support Panikkar had this to say in his note appended to Mr. MurasoU Maran’s Bill. to the report :

SHRI SEZHIYAN ( Kumbakonam ) : I “ I consider it essential for the successful rise to support the Bill moved* by my coll­ working of a federation that the units should eague, Mr. Murasoli Maran. Many arguments be fairly evenly balanced. Too great a dispa­ have been advanced against the acceptance of rity is likely to create not only suspicion and the Bill. Among those arguments, the most resentment but generate forces likely to unde­ dloquent was that of Mr. Salve. He began rmine the federal structure itself and thereby 'his arguments from the bed chamber and be a danger to the unity of the country. Tills Chen to the chamber of this House. is clearly recognised every where. In most federal constitutions, though wide variations exist in respect of the population and resources He ha^J also some very uncharitable expre­ of the units, care is taken to limit the influd- ssion to use against statistics. When the mover ence and authorities of all the States,*’ ' produced to many figures and facts for his qase, those figures did not suit Mr. Salve, so he contends, that the entire statistics should Since it has been accepted all over the world in other Constitutions, perhaps we find ^e condemned.... that the reverse is the case in India. If we take the US Senate, we find that New Yotic StfRt G. VISWANATHAN r He is a which is the most populated Stale and Nettvada Chartered accountant. He probably got which is the least populated State both tm e t#»ed with figures aid then he tM it. tqual representation. My hon. fiW Pi W m Cons t. (Amdt.) JYAISTHA 21, 1893 (SAICA) (MU by Shri Maran) 194 suffers in one respect. He has put it in the consciously or unconsciously, scientifically minimal way. If T had brought forward a Bill or unscientifically, in a disciplined or undi I would haye put in the provision that all the sciplined way, I cannot say. The basic pritt? State* should haye equal representation. ciple is not whether Madras gains a seat This also has been referred to by Mr. Panikkar or some other State loses two seats; the in his report, and he says that the instance basic principls is whether you ate going to of the Soviet Union is there. He says : have representation in a federal structure on the basis of population which mean* that “ In the Soviet Union also, only Great the most populous state will have a greater Russia has a larger population than most voice in that body. I think it is not a good other unites of the federation taken together, basis to work a federal structure. This has Representation in the House of Nationalities been amply brought out by Shri Panikkar. is weighed against her, so that the other unite of the federation may not be dominated by 1 have no doubt about the fate of this larger units.” Bill. Even if all the members present here vote for it, it is not going to be passed. But we He goes on to give examples of other Con­ are raising the point for discussion and focu­ stitutions where in population alone is not ssing attention. The Constitution was adopted taken into consideration for representation in 1951. It has been amended twenty time* in a Chamber of all the fedcrationing units. since then and it is going to be amended many In other words, it meant* that population more times hereafter. One more amendment alone should not be the guiding principle. on this score is not going to do any harm; on the other hand, it may do some good by It was asked why 1951 should be taken as way of better functioning of the federal stru­ the base. Whichever base may be chosen, cture. It is not a parochial proposition. Shri we are prepared. If it is intended to peg this R. V. Swaminathan of the ruling party has down to the base year 1951 or 1968 as sugge­ also supported it. So this cuts across party sted by the All India Family Planning and lines, lt is based on rationality and the pur­ Health Conference that met at Bhopal, we pose is the successful working of the federal would have no objection. Once the basic structure. On these grounds, 1 support the Principle is conceded that a State that is going Bill. tn for family planning should not be discou­ SHRI C. M. STEPHEN ( Muvattupu- raged by this, it does not matter which base zha ) While I am in sympathy with the year is agreed to. Whether my State loses or principle behind the Bill, I am not in a position the other States lose is immaterial. The basic to support the Bill. There is no difference of principle is that the numbers should not be opinion on the principle tJiat in a federal fixed on the basis of population alone, for polity, there must be equality as between once that is done, family planning programmes state and state. If the proposal was mooted will get slackened, and the States which are based on this principle and wi$fc emphasis assiduously following up the programme on this principle, there might have been a will get discouraged. That is the basic point lot to say about it, although whether under taken by my hon,friend Shri MurasoliMaran. the conditions obtaining in India it is acce­ It was on that basic principle that he was ques­ ptable is debatable. tioning whether my hon. friend was married in 1948 or in 1951 ...... My hon. friend on the other side drew a parallel with the US there the representation SH R IN .K .P. SALVE : 1948. for States in the Senate is equal. But thaw is a dffcrence between the two countries. SHRI SEZHIYAN : As soon as Indepe­ There they started with full independence ndence attained he gave up his indepe- for the different States and those states confe­ dence, 1 think. derated into a Union. Here the Union came into existence and then for administrative Bio has been very disciplined in the bed purposes we divided the country irit© different chamber because he has one son and one States with certain powers for thrift, residuary daupfeterf pi* jtm striptly stuck to the principle: power vesting in the Union, this makes for w* two ftp* two, ^tether i* tan ^ done a (ot of difference, W Camti (Arndt,) JVMB U , t t f! UNUby Shri Mmto ) IH

f s t a c .m . Stephen i ivith the sfoe of the body, the number of viduals who should together elect a re p»- fitcre the baste factor is the individual, this sentative varies. Therefore what Mr. SaJw Was put forth by Shri Salve. Although tech- spelt out is the fundamental thing, Do nicaliy we ait represent a constituency, we wt want to depart from the proposition that hews represent the Individuals in the constitu­ every citizen in this counrty ought to be fepiw* ency* Therefore, when we are enacting a law- sented. Merely because I happen to be in a to give effect to representation, we cannot be particular State 10,000 persons there must forgetful of the millions of people who have not have representation which is equal to sent us as their representatives here. representation for 10,000 persons sottwwhwe else 1 Would it be equitable to the indivi­ Being so, we cannot accept the State as static units, immutable, sacrosanct and dual ooncemedl That is the besic question. unchangeable. That approach is impossible. One or two seats mow, or less, for this State or that State is immeterial if you take the whole of India. May be there was some point about Even in the framing of the Bill we shall what was said about how every State has been fiad one defect. The Bill says that the existing treated. There is that imbalance tn our coun­ Stale is something sacrosanct and unchange­ try. There is that feelinga Iso. May I tell my able and so far that particulr State the alio- friends, Mr. Manoharan and his followers tted number of seats in 1951 is the basis which that there is a feeling in certain States that should be taken into account. Should it not they are being disregarded. For example take into account the subsequent alterations I from Kerala feel that I am not getting what that have taken place in the area of the State ? is my legitimate due. 1 am feeling that certain This contingency is easily conceivable. In 1971 things must come to Kerala; that is being there art States which were not in existence taken away by Tamil Nadu. .(Interruptions.) in 1951, for example kerala was not in existence When it is a question of the railway, or new in 1951; only Travancore-Cochin was in lines or workshop it is taken by them and I existence. Alnterruptbns.) feel that I am disregarded. But what is the solution? Only a charge in the attitude is the SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : This is a drafting solution; solution lies in the willingness onthe problem, part of everybody to assume a sort of a beha­ viour to one another so that there is a psycho­ SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : That is one logical feeling injected that we are part of aspect of drafting. Supposing, there are patches the whole body. We must think that way. of land In this country which cannot be equated With a particular State, that will go without representation* this is because my friends Again the allocation of funds is the most started with the assumption that the State fundamental thin*. The proposition i« ttat is completely sacrosanct, ; whatever States it also mint on the 1951 bmit, not on tte were in existence in 1951 were all the States basii ot toman beings who ate living to«r. that were there and all that has happened merely becau* in 1H1 in a particular •obneqoent to that are mere alterations or something was there. From year to y * r deletions or additions. That is the fallacy funds have got to be allocated to individuals,, of the whole approach. In our Constitition on the principle of InoividulaS who exist i» you can see that there are not only additions that particular years. Therefore, the fictional dbtetfenu; efaeetion of new States is conte- figure of population in 1951 will be unacce­ tta^lnMI ftt ottr Constitution. Ifost is no ptable. With these words I feel that 1 have m A provision in the United States Const!. got to oppose this »IU because the basis is twOon. Our Constitution provides for Hie wrong. formation of « new State by separation of territory ftom m y State or by uniting two Secondly because the wrong thing iJWh or more Stales* was sought to he remedied canffl^tl* wiwiNSh&di thirdly because the drafting ** *o done that th e W c thing here is the individual!' we will get into a tomplete mass If m ate h M s i l ittost have representation to tha going to accept ihl* Bfil. t m p m o f ^ e pancfefcyat, to* the Stale and fee should have E*stit*itto« will resuh in u m m m m representation in Parliament. In accotdance at an. i*tfB gwd*ito m m&nr* Mm m c*n* t. idmdtj) m iS T H A 21, t m m m {BUI by m ri M am a) 198 m m in this country. will have* great pro- born in the State o f Tamil Nadu migrated out blent which will be difficult to aelve. of that State. Besides this, there are other reasons for the loss of population in Tamil With these words, with full sympathy and Nadu; namely* portions o f Tamil Nadu were sentiment, 1 am sorry I have got to oppose transferred to other States after Andhra this Bill. Pradesh was formed. So, all these reasons* including the family planning, axe responsible THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE for some fall of the population. But whether MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI it con be madb the basis for a change, a funda­ NITCRAJ] SINGH CHAUDHARY): Mr. mental change in the Constitution, it the Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the hon. Mover, while question. moving the Bill for consideration, observed : The Government of Indie is aware of the responsibility. The Health Ministry of the “ The idea i* that no State should be pena­ Government of India is taking up this measure lised for the loss of its representation in of giving weightage to States where family the House of the People for sincerely imple­ planning is being implemented fully and pro* menting the family planning programme, perly. The Health Ministtry has moved in and no State should be deprived of revenues the matter and it is considering tfefc by way of grant or Plan assistance matter with the Planning Commission, and by the Union just because of the reason.” the body which is to decide this matter IS the National Development Council. The matter This shows that the main basis on which this will go before the National Development Bill is conoeived is that the loss of popultation Council. which consists of Chief a* a cousequence of Family Planning and Ministers also, and it will finally decide which I would show hereafter is not correct, as to what weightage, if any, should be given I am quoting figures from *he monthly state­ to the States for implementing the family ment on the progress of family planning progra­ planning programme. mme in India; progress since inception, page 7. Tamil Nadu has 10.8 per cent couples under The other complaint made was that be­ protection; Maharashtra has 12.8 per cent cause of the fall of population, allocations made couples under protection; Kerala has 11.2 per to Tamilnadu have fallen. 1 quote from cent couples under protection. In other the statement laid on the Table of the House States, it varised from 9.6 to 2.7, 2.7 being in by the Planning Minister on 9.6.71. In the A

While moving the BUI, hs There is one other wafoa why population of Tamil Nadu has fatten. It is because of •*T!» ■&* of » privM* mmdttr’k BUI is | am quoting ftm tfe» *tatis- W t that It it m m v M (iy 8m Q overgmmt. Tfc* Mm b to fbfuft tk* ttttttHm of tfte Const* Wwrff.)

( Shri Niticsj Singh Chaadhary 1 * * special situation So we need not have Government to this particular problem, precedents* Special situations call for special so that they may offer their point of view.” remedies which can be quoted as precedents by others.

He has achieved that object. He has alsc Moreover, we may not have a precedent for sensed the views of the members who have the House of the People. But, as Shri Sezhi- spoken* A majority of them have opposed yan has pointed out, this principle is not followed the BiU; except the mover and a member from in the Rajya Sabha. So, I ask a counter quest- his own party, others have opposed it. There­ tion to those who say that there is no prece­ fore, I request the mover to withdraw this dent. J say that in almost all the federal con­ Bill. I oppose the Bill for the reasons that I stitutions of the world except that of Canada, have briefly stated. the representation for States in the Upper House is equal. In the United States each SHRI MURASOLl MARa N (Madras has two Senators in the Upper House. In South) : Sir, I have been listening carefully the Switzerland each Canton has two deputies to the speeches of the hon. members and the in the Council. In Australia each State has minister. I thank them for the interest they ten Senators in the Upper House. Iri Canada have shown, lt is my duty to answer some of the Upper House consists of nominated mem­ the points raised, especially by Mr. Bhandare bers, and that it. an exception. So, in our and Mr. Salve, Both of them said, the theme coyntry we do not follow that cardinal princi­ behind the Bill hits at the very root of quality ple. We are following a different method. of the people. My plea is also that there is no equality achieved by the present position. Article 80 (2) talks of the composition of It depends on the definition one gives to equa­ the Council of S ates. The Fourth Schedule lity, According to them, equality means, freezes the num of representatives from each State is allotted a number of States in the States. Under this system, while UP has the House of the People in such a manner that 34 representatives a States like Assam has the ratio between the number of seats and the only 7 representatives in the Rajya Sabha. population of the States is as far as practically Now you fjnd fault with me when 1 say that th i same for all States. But my plea is that we should fix the representation on the basis this system breeds inequality. of the 1951 census figures. But how did the architects of the Constitution arrive at this Some States are vigorously implementing figure of 34 for UP and one for Himachasl the family planning programme, and their Pradesh ? population is reduced; it may be Tamilnadu or any other State. Their representation in Here 1 want to quote Basu ; this House and their share in the central taxes by way of devalution is also reduced, whereas “ Consequential changes in the alloca­ other States which do not effectively implement tion of seats have been made in the Fourth the family planning programme get all the Schedule maintaining in tact the original advantages. How can you say that this is formula of One seat per million for the based on equality? first five milhions and one seat for eveiy additional two millions or part thereof Our country is in a unique situation. We . exceeding one million.” are the first country in the developing world to have family planning as an official policy. This he has taken from the Statement Perhaps we act the ,ftot country to approach of Objects and Reasons of the Constitution the UN with a request to send an evaluation Ninth Amendment BiU, 1956. Naturally, team to study the programme. they have freezed the number of seats in the Council of States according to the population So, I think we may not have a precedent of 1951. When we have done that regarding for this kind of Constitutional amendment. the Council of states, what is wrong in fol­ lowing that here also ? jShri Bhandare prefojely quoted from almost •U the constitutions a t the world. He says Some hon. member said thftt what I *hftt we have no precedents. I saythat ours to do we are following th*t m

unreal practice is the case of the Council of So, in their recommendation they did not States, The very name Council of States take into consideration the migration aspect indicates a House of the State* where all the of it, bur regaiding grants-in-aid under article States get equal opportunity. But the principle 275 they have tak:n it into consideration. of equality, about which Shri Bhandari and Shri Salve waxed eloquent is not followed The most uncharitable criticism came from there. Shri Salve, if I may say so. He is a vendor of statistics because he is a reputed chartered Then somebody asked that why in the accountant by profession. Regarding my matter of distribution of revenues tod taxes figures, he repeated the remark of Mark we should bind ourseleves to an out-dated Twain that there are lies/ damn lies and census ? I have got a precedent here, and that statistics. I understand, he has been to America also on the authority of the First Finance for giving professional advice; he had been Commission. In Argentina in the devolution to Pakistan for arguing before the income- of central taxes and revenues 30 petr cent is tax tribunal there and I do not know whether on the basis of population, and the population he armed himself with lies, damn lies or sta­ figures are not of the preceding census. Here tistics. I want to quote the First Finance Commission : “ In Argentina the Federal Government He also said—I want to quote from his also shares some tax receipts directly with spaach—it makes little difference to people the provinces • 'stilj another 30 per cent whether there are 30 representatives from based on population relying on the Tamil Nadu or there are 31, 32, 33, 34 or 35. 1914 census figures rather than more But we do care. Perhaps, his party may not recent estimates. care; that is why, they lost some of the bye- elections in Nagpur and West Bengal, But So, according to my friends here, Argentina we do care; our pepole do care. In the coming is following out-dated census figures. In that ’ years wc have got some definite methods for way, they maintained some equality. For family planning. For a long time family those friends who want some precedent I planning was a guessing game played in a dark give this precedent from Argentina room. Now some light has been thrown 16.00 hrs. on to it. In the other House there was the Bill to liberalise abortion. Euphemistically Shri Somnath Chatterjee, while speaking it is called the Medical Termination of Pre^ the other day, said that there are oertain rea­ nency Bill. , sons other than the effective implementation of family planning for tne increase of popu- SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : The Minister lation* He is quite right. Because he hails has said that family planning has been more from West Bengal, he quoted his example. efficaciously and effectively implemented in There migration is a great problem. During Maharashtra and Kerala. I did not have 1957 when the Second Finance Commission these figures; therefore, 1 did not raise that visited Calcutta, the then Chief Minister of point. If this is the correct position., the basis West Bengal argued this cast. He said that of your argument is knocked off. migration should be taken into account while deciding the share of Central taxes. I think SHRI MURASOU MARAN : I cannot the Second Finance Commission has given a compete with the hon. Minister in giving sufficient answer for this problem. It said:— figures. 1

“ We are aware that a continuous stream of SHRI N. K . P. SALVE : Statistics agtin : refugee* has been coming into West Bengal from East Bengal since the census,. We do SHRI MURASOLI MARAN : Yes, But not think it right to readjust the population in the statement of objects and reasons, t have of West Bengal on this account as other fac* put Tamil Nadu because l know Tamil Nadu tors, such as variation* in birth and death and have put Tamil Nadu as an example. rates* interstate migration «tc., may have May be, Maharashtra may be . effectively produced changes of population in other implementing family planning, i speak State* also/* MafcwMhtr* also.l *pcak for a» States m C aul . JUNE il, W ! (Bill i? M rt MmmO *04

tS h rt Morasoli Maran | reduction of population because of effective ate effectively implementing the fanily plann­ family planning programme, our people will ing programme. nek : Why should we adopt thil method effe- ettocty when by adopting this, our repfeg*- ntatfon in Parliament is getting reduce, our I think, the birth rate can be made stati­ Central assistance ia getting reduced and Our onary in future, JCkr. Chandrasekhar, when devolution of Central taxes is getting reduced? hs Mmhter h-re, talkea about certain So, the time has come when the people may contraceptive injections which can prevent think otherwise and it will given a set-back pregsnancy for some years. With these to the family planning programme. That is methods we can arrive at a stationary why I urge upon the Government to do some­ birth rate. It may take a decade or two thing about it. or three dacades. Until then, we have to adopt Mine method or the other. Forget about Tamil Nadu. I have no fetish for 19S1 census figures. You may put some The Minister said that we are getting more year according to the consensus arrived at *ad more Plan assistance. But I can quote by the NJD.C, Probably, the National Deve­ another *et of figures. In the First Plan we lopment Council may be the proper forum got 10.8 per cent of the total Central assistance for that, I say, it should be 1951 basis. But

hr#. in cases of unemployment old age, sickness and disablement and in other cases of c o n s t it u t io n (a m e n d m e n t ) b il l undeserved want.'” (Insertion of new articles 23A and TAB) Article 45 reads : « DR. KARNI SINGH ( Bikaner ) : Mr. Deputy-Spealcef, Sir, I move : “The State shall endeavour top Provide within a period of ten years ...... *’ “ That the Bill further to amend the Constitu­ tion of India be taken into consideration.” It is well over that period now—

The object of this Bill is to insert two clauses “from the commencement of this Cons- after Section 23 in the Constitution : titution, for free and complusory education for all children until they complete the age “ 23A. (1) All children of the age of fourteen of fourteen years.” years or less shall have the right to free education. 1 need not stress the need of education particularly to the school-going children of (2) Education shall be compuisor> for under 14 years of age. This is very necessary all children till they have completed the age in a developing country like ours. Hie House of fourteen years. is no doubt aware that more than 50% of Indian population is below 21.1 do not know 23B. The State shall provide monetary what their correct number is, but I think, a assistance to every citizen who has completed considerable number is below 14. the age sixty years or remains chronically ill or is permanently incapicated or disabled and has nothing to fall back upon and is Government's preaching of socialism aftd unable to fend for himself.” garibi hataa will not mean anything if it cannot implement the directive Principles of I sincerely hope that the Government the Constitution and give compulsory educa­ will consider accepting this Bill or coming tion to children below 14 years of age. lust forward with one of their own to sec that like the United States ot Britain or other the Directive Principles of the Constitution advanced countries, India has to give social with regard to free and compulsory education security to the aged above 60, because* we for children under 14 year* and some form of have got to accept the fact as society develops, old-age insurance are implemented. I believe a time is to come when the children will not that the cost will be in the vicinity of Rs. 10 take care of their parents, and the Government crores a year. I am sure hon. Members will of the State has to step in. The State collects agree this is not much and this is not a vast taxes and the taxes we have are expropriatory. sum considering the large number of levies In such a situation 1 don’t think the State of taxation that Mr. Chavan has recently can absolve itself of the need to follow the introduced. Directive Principles enshrined in our Consti­ tution,

{Dr, Saradish Roy in the Chair] If you want to build a great India, you 16.10 to*. need highly qualified young men and women* K you go out in the villages, in spite of the The object of my bill is to give legal effect efforts claimed to be made for education* you substantially to what is contained in Article find that many children are virtually illiterate. 41, and Art. 45 of the Constitution. Art. 41 Even in respect of the question of Family and Art. 45, being in the nature of Directive Planning, if those programmes have to be a Principle*, are not justiciable and as such not success, you have to educate the people. inforceabW by the courts. Article 41 reads ; Without proper education, that will not be a success. “The State shall, within the limits of its economic capacity and development, make I ckn tell about my own State, Rajasthan; If effective provision for securing the right to you go in the villages, in the desert a m , you wortc, to education and to public assistance will find that the children have no doth to J»7 C tm m M n th .) -hme 11, 1971 BUI iy Dr. R tm i St*fh 288

[ Dr. K ami Sin*h J to these principles but they should be made the basis of legislation and executive wear, and these area) face famine conditions. action that may be taken hereafter in the This Congress Government in Rajasthan matter of governance of the country.” asks them to pay 50% amount before a school can be built. What kind of a welfare State The mandate of article 41 has been ignored is this ? I can understand garibi hatao at the hitherto and no adequate provision has been election time. But, what about the responsi­ made securing public assistance in case of old bility of the Government ? Can you not pro­ age, sickness and disablement and other cases vide free schools even after so many years of undeserved want. Old age insurance and of independence ? If you cannot give free social security are some things that India schools but ask the people to make the cont­ needs today. If you talk about socialism in ribution, then I ask what kind of a Welfare one way, then you have got to provide the State is this ? What are you doing ? other socialistic amenities that go with it and that follow as a corollary. We have heard so much of the slogan garibi hatao in the election time. Mr. Palkhi- In a democracy, education is a must. 1 wala put it beautifully the other day. He said, do not know whether our counrty is to remain during the election time it is garibi hatao. a democracy or it will go the communist After the election time i* is amiri hatao, Even way. This is for the nation to decide. But I a 10 year old child , if he is given one meal, do feel that as long as India is a democracy, will be able to say amiri hatao. as long as the people choose their government and as long as the people have the right to But garibi hatao which sounds jolly well decide what type of govei nment they will is a much more difficult thing. If the Gove­ have, still then education is a must. If we decide rnment fails to garibi hatao and I am sure ultimately to become a nation or a State where they are going to, because it will take them people become just numbers in a computer, a good many 20 years before any semblance that is a different situation. Of garibi hatao is seen in this country, then confiscatory taxation would be the only way, Right now, I feel that the emphasis or and iO or 20 or 50 or 100 or 200 or 500 families education and on primary compulsor} will be finished and pilloried and that would education is so important, that Govern­ be the end of it. But as for the man in the ment cannot sit back and merely defeat mj street, how do you reach him ? If the Govern­ Bill and then say that have no funds. Thej ment today is interested only in seats and in have the funds. If you look through the budget, its slogans, and is not even prepared to put you find that the people on the street are today through what is written in the Constitution, asking what kind of garibi hatao is this. I then I tell you that this Govei nment has failed, ask you on the floor of this House what kind and, therefore, I rcpuesr them with all earne­ of garibi hatao is this, if you cannot give stness—because today we in the Opposition those people in the villages, to boys do not have much of votes—that if they do not and girls who have no clothes to wear, accept my Bill, thcv should come forward free education, but you go to their parents with some sort of legislation which will give and say * Bring 90 per cent* ? What kind of old age insurance, which will look after our welfare State is this ? This is a hoax. The cou­ old p so pie and sick psoplc and give free ntry has had enough of slogans and hoaxes. •compulsory education to everybody. A Bill We want to see something definite. If it Hike this is long overdue and the time has is said Ameeri hatao, I say OK, but let there come when we must take stock of the situation. be garibi hatao as well. But if you do not, by God, you pay for it. The directive principles are not intended to bs merely moral precepts and empty plati­ Regarding the directive principles end the tudes, as was made clear by Dr. Ambedkar philosophy of the Constitution, unfortunately, himself who said : the impression has gained ground in the organs of the State that because the directive prin­ “ It; is the intention of the Assembly that ciples set forth in Part IV of the Constitution in future both the legislature and the are expressly made by article 37 unforceable executive should not merely pay lipservice by courts, these directives are mere pious 20» Comtn. (Amttl.) JYAISTHA 21, 1893 (SAKA) Blit by Dr. K ant Singh 210 hopes not deserving immediate attention. I Article 35 o f August 5, 1886, stated emphasise that no part of the Constitution is more important than part IV. That part “ Primary instruction shall be free hi together with Part III embodies the philosophy the schools of the state and obligatory of our Constitution. To ignore these directives to the extent defined by law” Art. 3(1 V) is to ignore the sustenance and the hopes of the constitution of the United States held out to the nation and the very ideals on of Mexico states. which our Constitution is built today. “ Primary education shall be compul­ sory and shall be given free of charge by Twenty years have gone, and the pledge has the state,” . not been redeemed. Therefore, I very earne­ stly beg of this House today that this Bill may not be taken lightly as an Opposition Bill that As to the provision regarding giving public is to be defeated, but hon. Members in this assistance in old age, I would corroborate House from all sites who are fully aware and my point of view by a few illustrations from awakened to the needs of the country should the constitutions of other countries. Article realise that without adequate education, this 45(4) (1) of the Irish constitution says : country cannot stand shoulder to shoulder with the other developed countries, and, there­ “ The state pledges itself to safeguard fore, they will have to accept this Bill or some­ and, wherever necessary,to contribute to thing like this. the supporte of the infirm, the widow, the orphan and the ng*dM. 1 would like to gtve this House a verv small idea of how other countries have taken care Article 161 of the Weimar Constitution of a similar situation. A provision that finds a reads : distinctive place in any constitutional docu­ ment is the subject of free education up to a “ The state shall, with the controlling parti­ certain standard, to the citizens of a countrj. cipation of the insured establish comprehe­ It is ensured as a fundamental right and nsive scheme of insurance for the conservation invariably made compulsory. In certain of health and of the capacity to work, for the countries such as Ireland, Denmark, Luxem­ protection of maternity, and for the ameli­ bourg, the Netherlands and Colambia, the oration of the economic consequences of State provides for free primary education. old age, infirmity and the changing circums­ tances of life”. Article 83 of the Constitution of the Kin­ 1 have gone on and on. You can look all gdom of Denmark of June 5, 1915 with the ovei the developed countries. The poor, the amendments of September 10, 1920 says : aged, the widows have been taken care of by “ Children whose parents have not the the State. 1 feel that now that we have a soci­ means to ensure education have the right alistic budget, which many of us think is .to free instruction in the puplic schools.** verging on communism, the time has come when this Government must take up these- lmportant matters. The same thing applies today; in our coun­ try, the Government has always been looked upon as a man baap.Wherever children cannot 1 do not like to sit back and see my country get education, it is the responsibility of the take second place. 1 want to see India right state to give them free education. out in the forefront. How does India achieve that pride of place ? It would be through Art. 23 of the Luxumburg Constitution education. As long as India's boys and girls of O ct 17* 1968 says '; are a second class manpower, educated not in the proper manner, half-baked -educated "The state shall ensure that every Luxe­ people,India will remain a second-rate country. mburg national receives elementary We have to increase the base of our education. education, The law tintti prescribe the The boys going to school and are under 14 v m m 1ft which the cost of iafttu- years are the ones to be given good education. ^forashallbemet* “ 211 Cons tru (Amdt.) June I I , W l M l Dr. Kami Sing* l i t

[Dr. Kami Singh} (4) Shri Shrikishan Modi Indian culture into them. Out of that will (5) Shri Siddhartha Shankar Ray come a great country* (6) Shri Nawal Kishore Sharma I hope that the Ministers are not totally (7) Dr. H. P. Sharma; and obsessed with their election propaganda, because I do agree that the old, the infirm (8) Shri S.N. Singh. and the aged are unable to vote and therefore can be ignored, but i6 not fair. Every citizen with instructions to report by the first day of of this country has equal rights to be provided the next session”. by the state and irrespective of party slogans during the election, now is the time for this MR. CHAIRMAN : Both the original party and this Government to show to the motion and the amendment are now before nation that they are in fact serious about the House. raising the standards of living, about taking care of the aged and the infirm and about sfr fasrw far fw ^r% sr^c giving free education to its poor iittie chidren who cannot get assistance and cannot educate x n fe m 41 sfk 45 ad*< wmfsrarm themselves otherwise. :

! will make one last quotation, lt will be “ The State shall, within the limits of its recalled that the Indian National Congress economic capacity and development, make In its declaration on fundamental rights and effective provision for securing the right to duties adopted at its Allahabad session in work ,to education and to public at>ws>- 1933-34 also included a provision to this effect. tance in cases of unemployment,old age, Clause 2(b) of the declaration statetd : sickness and disablement, and in other cases of undeserved want.” “ The State shall safeguard the interest of in­ dustrial workers and shall secure them pro­ snpTT srr^r tection against the economic consequences of old age, sickness and unemployment”. ’SfRT ? c f r w f W f <5{w> h n # vrcrr i frw vrarwmr% t o t - So they are committed to this. 1 hope the hon. House will take this Bill into conside­ ^ < ra T * fr mr vn»r «rrm ration and that this Bill because of its impo­ tpc t s v fte w r r f w r w m urnsr rtance not only to a few selected people, but ftrsnr w 40 w its w irr m f w arrsrr $ 1 millions of countrymen in our country will receive its due consideration. I commend the Bill. it .

MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved : i p i W VWT : 'RTSf WPPfrr “ That the Bill further to amend the Constitu­ n f w fv m < tion of India, be taken into consideration” . | ?ft SHRI M. G. DAGA ( Pali ) ; I beg to so tr<#e x m t i t t o move : $mrr i Srftor t o * 1 1 v t i m t t “ That the Bill further to amend the Cons­ sricT h i t | f t • w w r * \ r m titution of India, be referred to a Select Commi­ ttee consisting of 8 members, namely >- % 4 w f * 4 & t p g t m ^ ^tr i (I) Shri Chhutfen Lai *rrcr m m ^ $ fa? «ftK m ^ Ir Shri Hiralal Doda te?T gm *rr w w* % m t # (3) m Nathuftm Mtrdha (, i V w V w f K n f i * 21? Cmsttuijitndu) JYAISTHA 21,1893 (SAKM) Bill by Dr. Korni Singh 214

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[Shri R, D, Bhandare] . The States are doing their best. I m a y honestly tell you that the party in power is ien years but to my great surprise and shock, doing their best. But inspite of the efforts 'jyhen I go through the programme and the that have been directed to implement the figures of some of the States, I find that some principles regarding primary education, some of the States wiirtake mdre’ than 20F or 25 years of the States are not in a position ...... or,even 30 or 35 years, to implement the progra­ mme of primary education, to implement the SHRI K. N, TIWARY : You have heard principle enunciated in the Directive Piinciple?. about Bihar that it has not utilised grants T>t. Ambedkar was justified in saying that given to it. these Directive Principles are not pious plati­ tudes and that they are the instruments of ’ SHRI R.D. BHANDARE ; I am aware of instruction given to thfe party In powei.’ T, the fact. Whatever amount is allocated for therefore, accuse the party that it has totally primary education is not utilised even for failed to implement the principles. that purpose. 1 am aware of it. 1 do not want to reflect upon the States. Take an illustration of some States like, IT. P., Bihar, etc. They will take nearly 50 M> quarrel is with the Planning Commi­ years at least to implement the Directive Princ­ ssion i‘self. In the Planning Commission, iples. Therefore, the mover of the Bill thought “ education” as a subject iv missing, if not it wise to make the Directive Principles justi­ in toto, to a greater extent. The Planning ciable. May I in all humbleness and humility Commission has not given Ihcii necessary, ask the mover of the Bill, supposing we make wise, thought this pioblem that education is the directive principles justiciable does he an investment in man. The policy is also really think that the Government m power, varying from State to State. I do not agree the party in power, is in a position to imple­ with the hon. Membe* who spoke just now ment these principles ? Therefore, whal is the that education should not be made the Central use of just dreaming, thinking, of getting the subjcct. It should be made the concurrent moon when we cannot walk on the earth subject. Then only, it will be the duly of properly ? the Centre in that event to play a more impo­ rtant part or rather plead with the Planning Commission for more allocation to education. DR. KARNI SINGH : You don’t hone­ But. as I was trying to tell Dr. Karni Singh, stly think it is within our powers to give free some of the States will toko 25 years or more and compulsory education. I have great with the speed and with the necessary grespect for you. 1 want to understand. amount of allocation made for primary educa­ tion to implement these principles. SHRI R. D. BHANDARE: I have the greatest respect for you. 1 know the position It is an absolute necessity that every child obtaining in different States. of 14 years must be given education. In spite of the fact that we have, after Independence, SHRI K. S. CHAVDA (PATAN) : In tried to implement three Five-year Plans, Gujarat, there is compulsory education. the base of illiteracy is increasing. I hope the House will not Jbe surprised to know that SHRI R. D. BHANDARE : Unfortuna­ illiteracy is increasing in the country. We tely, I have not got the figures. Otherwise, 1 are trying to remove illiteracy. We find that would have thrown these figures to represe­ the number of illiterates is increasing. I'want ntatives of different States. All the States to .impress upon .the .Planning Commission cannot be measured with the same rod in so and upon the Government that they should far a$t the implementation of the Directive find mo're money fOr the subject of Education, Principles regarding primary education*! is and Primary Education, especially. concerned. From That point of view, and I know the practical difficulties, 1 do not know There are different factors which are whether by translating these principles into responsible for the increasing illiteracy that justiciable principles, it will be possible for we find; I am, not enumerating tho.se factory the country to implement them in the near But what I feel is that by making these prin­ future. ciples justiciable Hie CoUntry Will* adf fed ih 21$ CWtf*, {Arndt.) JYA1STHA 21, 1893 (SXJM) Bill by Dr. Kam'Singh 226 a hott er position, but there will be more liti­ SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura gation. If a person like me could go to the East) : I support the views and aspirations court and that I need not engage the servi­ which have been expressed in the speeches ces of advocate, 1 could put the Government on this Bill. If education is not propagated, in trouble. So, by going to the court and if large number of people are illiterate, the asking the Government to implement these country cannot advance. It has rightly been Directive Principles, the problem will not be said that education is the birth-right of the solved. Even Dr .Karni Singh may go to the human being. court. I know he will not go to the court. He is not litigation-minded. If we are to eradicate illiteracy, how can it be done ? Large number of people of our Any person would like the poor and the country are poor; large number are unem­ downtrodden and the Scheduled Castes and ployed; people can not afford even proper Tribes and our poor peasants and workers food and they cannot bear the expenses of to get free education. Therefore, 1 am anxious their children going to the schools for getting about this. I want that this principle should education. Therefore, it is high time that be implemented. But if everybody goes to the Government comes forward to allow court what will happen V 1 am not the only each and every children to receive free educa­ person. There are thousands and thousands tion. If our present Constitution stands in the of other persons who may go to the court way of giving free education. Government to enforce these Directive Principles and to should come forward witn a Bill to remove force the Government. 1 wish to tell Dr. Karni that difficulty and to introduce free and comp­ Singh that by making the Principles justiciable ulsory education throughout the country. the practical proposition will not be changed. With these words, I request Dr. Karni An argument has been put forward that Singh to withdiaw his Bill. He has suffici­ if we had a Bill seeking to amend the Cons­ ently focussed the attention of the Govern­ titution for this purpose, then it might take ment and the general public to this problem. away the federal structure of our States. I I will also prevail upon the Government, would submit that there is no question of and if I am in a position,-! can even pressurise its taking away the federal character of the the Government, that more allocation must he States. Rather, we slutll have to give more made for primary education, because, educa* power to the States. In fact, there is a demand tion is the birihrigiu of every individual and for giving more powers to the Slates. So, at every citizen. This must be made available least some sort of encouragement could be io every ciliasn of the country. How can we provided whereby each State would be enco­ afford the children to go without education ? uraged to introduce free and compulsory education in their areas. But as the financial 17 hrs. position of many States stands today, Yesterday we heard the Finance Minister we find that most of our States may not be in a telling ns about the allocations made for Edu­ position to bear such a huge expenditure, cation. 1 know, we are m difficulty due to therefore, the States will have to be subsi­ Swadheen Bengla problem which is there. dised by the Centre, and the Centre shotiJd I £t us hope that the Swadheen Bangla and take the responsibility for having the scheme the refugees coming in, will be a temporary implemented. problem. Hut, •still, with such baffling problems it is not possible for us, for our Government If! were to refer to the educational facilities to implement the programmes immediately. in the communist or socialist countries, it is That does not necessarily mean that 1 am not quite likely that some hon. Member may feel one who would not pressurise the Government allergic or may feel it a little inconvenient* for making more provision for education. Butl would point out that in the Socialist countries tike Russia, China and oih,er places, With these words, may I repeat my request ? education is absolutely free, and the parent* Since Dr. Kami Singh has sufficiently focussed do not have to bear any expenses in this regard. the attention of the House and of the Gove­ rnment and the people of the country to this probleiri, 1 request that he may not press for SHRI ATAL B1HARI VAJPAYEE the pfissin# o f this Bill* {Gwalior): Only the people are not free* 227 Con sul. (Amdi.) JUNE U . 1971 M ty Dr. Kami Sink 22«

SHRI DASARATHA DEB ; Everybody we are sorry to find that not even 30 per cent is free. After ail, why should the capitalists of our children upto 14 yean of age are at be free? Without eliminating capitalists, school today therefore, I am grateful to you cannot build socialism. Without elimi­ Dr. Kami Singh for bringing forward this nating the big people and without eliminating Bill. the smugglers and others, you cannot improve the condition of the poorer classes. If you are to raise their standard of living, you ha\e Some of my friends opposite have said to put some restrictions on the capitalists. that it is impracticable and this directive Principle could not be made justiciable. 1 ask (he House how arc we going to make it So far as the present Bill is concerned, 1 effective otherwise. Poor people where chil­ also feel that free and compulsory education dren earn and supplement the family in­ must be there. If you leave the common man comes and who cannot economically afford to his fate, then 1 am afraid that even after a will never send their children to school. These hundred years, the common man would not poor people make use of the children for grazing be in a position to give education to his cattle sheep and for doing some other profitable children, and domocracy would be a farce in work. So unless we introduce an element our country with a large number of illiterate of compulsion, that the children must go to persons, and at that rate, we cannot think of school even if the family has to starve a bit, the prosperity of the country at all. So, one we will not be able to bring about universal of the most important things is to have the primary education of children upto age of speread of s •lucation so that we have more 14. enlightened people. It lias been &aid that universal primary education would take 50 or even 100 years to I also agree that there should b c some old- be brought about. 1 have been to China age pension. Of course, at the present juncture, four times. The first time 1 went in our country may not afford this fully; so, at 1952, three years after then new Government least, there should be pensions given from took over there. 1 was amazed to find that Government to those old men who have none almost every adult, every child, was being to support them in their old age. educated there. They were able to do it within a period of 4 years.. I do not know whether under this Govern­ ment that thing will come. However, we should How have they done it? They have a make our endeavour. There should not be bigger population but they have done it by any difference of opinion in this respect. their determination, by giving top importance Therefore, I support the principles and aspi­ to education. We do not give education rations ennuciated in the Bill. that importance in our system of planning. The Planning Commission has given it a low priority. You will never be prosperous PROF. S.L. SAKSENA (Maharaj Ganj): The and great unless you give top pririty to edu­ House must thank Dr. Kami Singh for having cation. Mahatma Gandhi realised it and he brought froward this Bill. I have been surprised was trying to enforce his scheme of Cotnpui- and amazed at the opposition which has come ssry basic education to children upto J4 years from some members of the Congress. I never so that our children could get education and expected it. It was the Congress Party, also for it at the same time by the products of which sponsored this directive principle in the thier handicrafts for he was also aware that it Constituent Assembly-I was a member of the was a costly affair. 1 think Dr. Kami Singh has Party at that time and took part in the deli­ under estimated the cost, it will cost at least berations of the Constituent Assembly—and Rs. 1000 crores every year, I meen the cost we had put that clause in the directive prin­ of compulsory education of all children up to ciples. There was considerble discussion on 14 years of age in the whole country. It it and everybody was agreed that within ten is a veryy big sum. But it has to be found years we would be able to achieve the objective if we wish to become a great nation. I there­ of bringing every child upto 14 years of age fore think that unless some stern measures ate to School. But 21 years have elapsed since taken, unless Dr. Kami Singh’s Bill is passed ums Constitution m s brought into force* Yet and the Government is f&oed to in$taae&tjit 229 Con stn, (Amdt.) JYAISTHA 21,1893 (SAKA) Mill by Dr. Karni Singh 230 there will U no end to this problem of illiteracy aft* i # M N w v w r ^rnprT g ft: and the Directive Principle will never be im­ plemented. I therefore hope that the House will accept this Bill. Government is guilty f^rr ^ «r< z w w a t Tfcrr i ^ftrfr that it has not still fulfilled the promise that 5TF % TOff faTf«r prr i sffT =^rf|‘T, ^ sfarr 'snf^rr— by Dr. Karni Singh, Government will see to it that they implement this directive prin­ f 3 I %ft?n % ciple by enforcing the Bill brought forward f a ? f o r If srrSf ? srs *-r ' w r f iw : w rrcfir | *f»’< VW ^ STfcf 5ft ^iTn% w firs r f* r§ $ i to ftrsr % ftrq S vftr ft? w t? fcrr g i Srfvn w $ %% f e n r ^r.t Iw, w *r$r*ns$r | ft: w ff % facr ft. irrf, w ^rr t w ? rggtocn fir tfr srrtr aft $ m 3frw< f w ?t mpr # itw rt : ^ «rr i 231 C on m. (Arndt.) JUNE 11, 1971 JBWby Dr, Karni Singh 232

oft Education is being equated with instruction. May I remind the Honorable Members that t H «nv^ ^ I hi *r^r education comes from rhe Latin root Educe *p«% ^ 0 *#'i *»' ^Tofr $ wr< ^ which means to draw, to draw out the best in man and the best in the child and develop apt ifr ^ 4 ? Sm S* s#^< t» I I W & vf$r *r»s* «?Tf«r*r< ft ^ I ^ Unless we do that, we are not imparting any ffirw< tft *$T< *?-: vft»r wr; cros +f irw i 1 1 1 ^.’frw and the taught, and here are out teachcrs like fV vwr v me, of course, who are still teaching, but who do notcven kno v the names of the students #»vWV; »|vT «T, *CTn4W WTfsfo ^?l.*. I, in a class is sometimes beyond seven or 10. What can wc hope by way of educating the ^^.' **r *r> * ^ 7 ^ W hatgreatci mis»er> than this uould be fall to the country if we make such an education com­ v r *rr i i 5r.% «rr< $ v sfw pulsory? Of course, education will be Iree, «rt«h^ i*r i v.vfc ?; .'w 5f and 1 support the Bill tn so iar as it seeks to make education free. Here we talk ol primary T O n T < ^ r' rh’ education, in the countries in the west and even w ^fn* sr< «r, ^fq i snr in higher Social btrate of our own country, ^f%frn* % fa«7 «r^r % ^:*/ i theie arc people who arc giving thair children preprimary education. There is a grater ?ft ^ «r^v*ou imagine a greater fraud unable to do it, it would hardly meet the than this that there should be five classes to be ends which we have in view if we make it taught by a single teacher? This is half-baked compulsory. So, we should aim at real edu­ education. Tf a teacher has to teach all the cation. Every child should be given the best subjects to all the students in all the five classes* education that is available so that he gets a how can the teacher be expected to do justice fine personality and he becomes an asset to to his job ? So, education becamc a farce and the nation of which we are a part. it becamc a hunting ground for some people who wanted more schools to be opened. More and more schools were opened and the standard «ft UT?TYf?$ (nf&TT) : went down. 9ft, % v * firsr % tw % *rfT |* r j i v< ft f—w h wc % The problem in our country is not that education should be compulsory, but to me, a tff I g ? % T afaii Wflft person who is still teaching, the problem sriw favr t w fV?? seems to be that education should be what education really is. It should be true to its k tar flrar 1 1 W ^ sfk sro definition of drawing out what is bcht in the f a f tf ro vrtfr f fa child and developing it to the highest stand­ n tf f f w ard possible. 1 visited a piivate school run by a Christian Mission In Ludhiana. It was v x ta r fm t , s s r kk f o e t f i W s 1964. when the Olympic Hockey was won tftirfopr w niff w i v ptw t by us at Tokyo. I found a teacher pointing out to the children the Tokyo city in a map of k*. ifrc A*ia and telling them, “ This is Tokyo. Here i f fv i w t *<% h fi'p r t are our hockey players at the moment and we ^ f m ^ M i % s t f w \ m < have won the match/4 1 know there are schools in many States in India where no map $ fv fo rf * «nr^ i ^ v # % is & vailablc. I f we mean that the children of <*r ? f t wr w tfftf * the rich should go to schools where education can be of a higher type, if we say that education V.KX w v $ ‘<| $ ? W “ft ft shoitfd be compulsory for all with a vengeance, W w # €t % then what we ate doing is, we are filling the ftwc s s 1 1 m < m n chjiWten vd ih vacuum. We #re not giving town something healthy. If education is to be W f ih fa r v m t W W W ^ Sr 235 Con stn. (Am dt.) Bill JUNE iI. 1971 Re. Electrification in West Mongol* 236 by Dr. Kami Singh (Bihar and Orrissa H A M . Disc)

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«% 1 ^ f^ro: 3f/ ifw Jr w HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION RE- «Tiv xiK Trgj[%?rH ^* v «ir<5f ^rr SLOW PROGRESS OF ELECTRIFICATION t Vff *>*iTJWS | » w IN WEST BENGAL- BIHAR AND ORISSA. m ^ n # ir/^* t ?fr f *f * r ay<; < Behar): Why do you impose the time Hmir v^rar tat ion? 237 Re, Electrification in JYAISTHA 21,1893 (SAKA) W. Bengal, Bihar 238 and Orissa (HAH Disc.) only reply that was advanced by this hon» Minister is that these State Governments have 4 r, f^Tfrr *rW wn fafr*rr ? not taken so much of care to improve the position of electricity in the respective States. wwfti njfhw: m ^ i i o f*r?rc *rR?fto Certain figures were given. The number of electrified villages and towns in 1968-69 in the ftFyWr **r tfr g ro rr t o ^ rtv i case of West Bengal were villages 260 and towns w rn r *WV tfir s*r i s s n ; srp? m m ^ s n r 2; in 3969-70 villages 186, towns nil; in 1970- 71 villages 345, towns nil and the footnote is STfT# f I there that three towns remain to be electrified; in the case of Bihar, villages 661 in 1968-619, SHRI P. GANGADEB (Angul): Orissa 797 in 1969-70 and 742 in 1970-71 and the also should be given some time. electrification of towns in all those three years nil; in Orissa, in 1968-69 62 villages, in 1969-70 SHRI JYOT1RMQY BOSU (Diamond 129 villages and in 1970-71 3U villages and Harbour): I am the only person to ask towns nil. This is the position. questions today. F may be given the time of four questions. Even in these days, when we have spent a lot of amount of money since the beginning of the First Five-Year Plan and we are just THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION AND in the middle of the Fourth Five-Year Plan, POWER (DR. H. L. RAO) : I think, some of the town areas are not electrified, what from each of the States one speaker to talk of the villages. In Orissa for the last may be allowed. r will reply next time. three years no towns were electrified, tn West Bengal in the last five years, as stated by the MR. CHAIRMAN : No; according to hon. Minister the other day, only two towns the Rules only those who have given their were electrified in 1968-69; thereafter nothing names can be calico to put ‘questions. happend. Till today towns or area having a concentration of population of 10,000 or DR. K.L. RAO * He represents only Bengal, more have not yet been electrified. There must be someone from Bihar and Orissa also because this is a discussion about all the It is true, in some State Governments they States. are doing the best to electrify not only the towns but also the villages, we have been told. MR. CHAIRM/^K : I am bound by the To be short on this point, in West Bengal there Rules. are 38,446 villages; out of this a little less than 2,600 villages were electrified, giving SHRI B. K. D4SCHOWDHURY : I do a figure, in terms of percentage, a little above not think there is an* hard and fast rule. You 6 per cent. But in respect of Kerala and some can easily allow om, or two speakers. other States it is about 4S per cent. And the average all India figure is about 19 per cent MR. CHAIRMAN: He may start. of the ullages in India have been electrified. SHRI B.K. D^SCHOWDHURY: This is a very importan subject and I fear very The Central Government seems to be very much whether I wil be able to speak out much keen on laying the emphasis on the point what I want to say Within this time limitation that the State Governments are not coming up, of ten minutes, at iou have said. stating clearly that these are the States* sectors. But probably the hon. Minister has forgotten, Very often we ascuss in this House about while he states that these are the States* sectors, the slow progress offlectricity and it is more so that electricity comes under the Concurrent in the eastern ream of India. Here is a List also. Taking into account the huge specific question tltt was asked on the last deficiency in food articles and a tot o f money 23th May as to w it are the reasons for the that we have to spend on important of foocU sl° * progress o f eletrtc&y in three States of gratns, 1 would ask the hoii, Minister: Was Q ti4 and We* feAftt. The It not proper on his part at least to see that 239 Re. Electrification in JU N E 11,1971 W* Bengal, Bihar 240 m d Orissa {HAM Disc.) (Shri B. K. Daschowdhury]

those State Governments which are not coming SHRI B. K. DASCH6W0HURY : It is up property to elecrtify villages, the rural areas, not yet 10 minutes. You have been kind at least to augment the energisation of pumps enough to allow me 10 minutes. If you go in the agricultural sector? It ought to have on ringing the bell like this, it disturbs me. been the responsibility of the hon. Minister to push them up and, if necessary to give MR. CHAIRMAN: Then, yoif will not get the reply from the hon. Minister. We them some more finances. will adjourn at 6 O* Clock sharp.

Under the scheme of Rural Electrification SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: It is a Corporation, five big schemes have already very important discussion. been cleared up and they are proposed to be financed by the Centre. These are not within SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : I must the States' sector. Those States concerned make my observations. are, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, DR. K.L, RAO : I surrender 5 minutes' Mysore and Uttar Pradesh. These arc the States where a large number of villages have time to him. He must champion the cause for these three States. been electrified. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You cannot I would like to give you some of the figures get away like that. Wc want to hear you. in regard to the number of pumps electrified upto the first three Plans. In West Bengal, SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : This the nipnber of pumps electrified is 437. As is one aspect of the matte*. It is not only regards Orissa, no figures have been given as the ills of West Bengal today, not only the they ate not available, In Bihar, the number ills of Calcutta today, that cotfront the Union of pumps electrified is 10,660, whereas in the Government so much, I must .say, for all these case of Maharashtra it is 44,978 pumps; Tamil reasons, if not for one of the reasons, it is the Nadu, 2,56,594* Mysore—42,37!; Gujrat- Central Government’s glaring apathy to West 17,155 and, even then, these States have been Bengal that gives rise to law ajid other problem provided with additional finances to the extent in day and in day out. of hundreds of crores of rupees to have more and more of rural elect irificat ion. But the Sta­ I will now refer to certain statistics. I tes which had the minimum umber of pumps would like to bring it to you* kind notice that electrified upto the first three Plans, say, for even in the Fourth Five-yeir Plan for West example, West Bengal where 437 pumps were Bengal, only Rs. 10 crores ha\p been clarmarked electrified as compared to Tamil Nadu where under *Rural Electrification Schemes'. For 2.56,594 pumps were electrified, have not been Tamilnadu it is Rs. 41 cror®. For UP, it is given any additional Special finances, Rs. 61 crores. For Mysore, it is Rs. 15 crores. For Maharashtra it is 25 crtres gnd I appreciate the work of all those State Governments. But, no doubt, I can­ What about Orissa? Ffer Orissa, it is not • appreciate the work of the Union 6.75 crores or something. ll is less than Rs. Minister in respect of sanctioning additional 7 crores. finances to those States under certain schemes. We Appreciate the work of those States which If it is the duty of the IJUon Government have advanced so much. But what about to see that the backward region! shouldcomeup the Stales which are lagging behind like any* to the level o f the advanced ngkMu* and that thing and which are regarded as the darkest what we spend on the import of foodgrains regions ip the whole of India* For these three should be minimised, is it not squally the duty States, West Bengal, Bihar and Orissa, no of the Union Government, to see that the special schemes have been sanctioned for more darkest areas get adequate lig|t and adequate power generation. financial aid. MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. Member It i* m t only the case o*IWe»t Bengal. may: try to conclude now* Tftere are various hw^ward iegtom jutf fev 24* A*. mctrtfimUm in JYAISTHA 2J, 2893 <&*JW) JMhr 242 and Orissa (HAH Pise*) every State there are certain under-develop­ further investment ? Therefore, a proper ed areas. In West Bengal there are such back­ condition and climate be created for best f i ­ ward and under-developed regions. For the liation of both physical and human capital, benefit of the people of North Bengal to remove if backwred regions are to be developed. the darkness from the entire region ,certian special financial aid should be made. MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. member Even when the State Government autho­ should conclude now. Shri Jyotirmoy Basu. rities had received certain sanctions from the special fund at the Centre, we have found that the amount has not been spent. This is known SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHARY : I have to all that North Bengal is the most backward not yet finished. regaion in that State, Side by side, we find that North Bihar also is packward, and no schemes MR. CHAIRMAN : His finishing is not have been taken up there also, either from the my business. I have called Shri Jyotirmoy side of the Government of Bihar or from the Basu already. He should conclude now, side of the Government of West Bengal. Very recently, the State Government of west Bengal SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHARY : Kindly received an amount of more than Rs. 300 lakhs give me five more minutes. for three schemet. These schemes have been spilled over in thefivc districts of West Bengal, MR. CHAIRMAN : I am sorry. He should namely Hooghly, Midnapore, 24-Parganas, conclude now. Birbhum and Boikura, completely ignoring legitimate claim of the five districts of North SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : Kindly Bengal. These fre districts are giving more give him two more minutes. than one-third olthe total agricultural income generated m the itate of West Bengal, although MR. CHAIRMAN : I have already given the population o these five districts of North him five minutes from the hon. Minister'# time. Bengal in relaticn to that in West Bangal is only one-seventh SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHARY : The What 1 woull like to point out is that hon. Minister has said a number of times that certain schemes are going tube commissioned the economic viaulity is there in North Bengal to augment electrical energy in North Bengal. district. If ruftl electrification shemes are 1 have been making regular correspondence made successful^ North Bengal, then these with the hon. Minister for a long time on five districts o North Bengal can feed the this matter, and 1 have raised this issue also whole of West fcngal simply with the help of on the floor of this House on many occasions. energised purfps in Agriculture sector. I have here with me the letter written by Dr* K. L, Rao on the 18th February. 1970, from which I would like to quote just one line, whict1 We have bon told that in West Bengal reads thus : certain special schemes have been taken up to energise tty pumps for the agricultural “ In the meantime, the State authorities sector and fc giving irrigational facilites. are also examining the feasibilities and eco­ But so far wtfind that no particular steps nomies of transporting coal from the existing have been tken. coalfielis of west Bengal and for the proposed thermal station near Siliguri. As soon as the feasibility report is received from It is welDcnown that electricity is one of the State authorities, we shall take further the basic coptitoents of the basic infrastru­ action thereon/' cture of deolopment. It is not enough to have merely physical capital; it is not enough to invest tfrely Rs* 100 crores or so for the I would only like to remind this bon. developing of these backward regions until Minister of the promise that he had made in and tfnleawe have this M e infrastructure this letter, that as soon as the feasibility report of fe*k*nent, of which otaptricity is one, is received, he would take further action. I for bft&«£d areas what » tht good Of inve­ would like to know whether he has already sting the/*o»ey 7 And where is the fccope for taken further action...... fo . Electrification in jtfNB 11, 1971 W. Bengal, Bihar 244 and Orissa (HAH Disc,) MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. Member Is it not the duty of the Central Government should conclude now. to bring them up to the national standard, ? No, they have not done it. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU. Because of the monopolist-industry-orie- SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHARY nted attitude of the Government of India, would like to know whether he has const* the allocation in the Fourth Plan for rural dered the position ...... electrification has suffered. Rural electrifi­ MR. CHAIRMAN : Nohing tliat the cation has been totally and deliberately negie^ cted. It is a multiple employment generating hon. Member says hereafter will go on record. source, As a member of the expert commi- I have called Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu already. ttce on unemployment * I know it; we are thrashing this point ( Interruption ). DR. Rao The hon. Member was given ten minutes need not carry coal to Newcastle. I know the to start with, but he has already taken 17 minu­ characteristics of his Goernment. tes and still he is not satisfied. It is a very awkward position for the Chair, to go on persuading him to finish. What arc they doing nov. The Rural Electricity Board has drawl up a project SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHARY ** report costing Rs. crores. But the Rural Electrification Corporation is engaged in SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : The adva­ the exercjsc of egg first or chcken first. They ncement of a counrty is known by the quan­ say there are no tube-wells. Vho will put the tity of protein that the country consumes and tube-wells ? A subsoil water airvey has been also the growth of electricity. Electricity is conducted by the GSI and thty say the possi­ the source of generation of basic wealth, a bilities are very great. May I humbly request thing that has never been detected by the Dr. Rao to do whatever he cm to find the planners of this country. It gives us power finance for this. for irrigation, and power for the small, cottage and all types of industries. Yet, during the There is subsidy given 0 industry in last 23 years, we are in a miserable state of respect of electricity. But as ar as the rural affairs as far as electricity is concerned. areas arc concerned, agricultuc cannot comp­ ete with the masters, the big monopolists and Government have been attaching very so there is no subsidy. little importance to this Ministry, 1 am sorry to say that the Minister in charge has not I would tell DR. RAO : gc money some­ even been given a Cabinet rank although Dr. how, beg, borrow or steal. Tiere are plenty K. L. Rao very much deserves that. There of sources from which you an get money. are backward Slates like the States Fourteen major banks have ben nationalised; of Assam, Orissa, Bihar and West Bengal insurance has been nationalist!. Bonds and This year’s budget for power and irrigation, loans can be got through. Tbre is PL-480. as Shri Chavan very proudly recited yesterday, Let him teil us here and now ta t he is pre­ does not exceed Rs. 10 crores. But for police, pared to do fbr rural electrisation in the they require money; during the last 15 years, backward states of Assam, Orissa West Bengal from Rs. 1,1/2 crores, it tuts cone up to Rs. and Bihar. 82 crores. There is no dearth of money for that. MR. CHAIRMAN ; The ho. Minister. West Bengal has about 7.7 per cent of villages electrified. In Assam, the figure is a wonderful 2.5 per cent; in Orissa, SHRI R. V. BADE (KWgotte) : it is 2.5 per cent and in Bihar it is 10.4 per cent Shri G. P. Yadav from our pari had sent We are very happy that some states have his chit. gone forward, states like Haryana and Tamil Nadu. But what about those backward States MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri P. fengadeb which have lagged so far behind in this respect, and Shri P. K. Deo had also sent in^naiions **Not recorded. 245 K*. m m rip ea tim in JYAISTHA 21, 1 8 9 5 ^ ^ ) W* Btngai.Bihar 246 and Orissa (HAH Disc,) for pa rticipating in the discussion, but their 1 mentioned which have very vital resources, letters were not received before the comme­ which have got plenty of water resources ncement of the sitting and as such, the notices available for electrification both in villages are time-barred. and for energising pumping sets.

SHRI R. V. BADE : On a point of order. It is not mentioned that it was time-barred. The only snag is that of funds. Shri Chow- dhury was not correct when he said that we have given so much more money in the Plan MR. CHAIRMAN : i have said it. for Tamil Nadu but not for Bengal and so on. The Minister of irrigation and power. I submitted once before that money is not allocated by the Centre, Blcck grams or block Dr. K. L. RAO : T thank hon. members loans are granted to each State depending for bringing out a very important subject which upon a certain formula and from that the really deserves very great consideration. I State allots the money. In that respect I am wish there were more discussion on this sub­ sorry that West Bengal has been attaching ject. the least importance to rural electrification; they have not done anything at all. It is really Rural electrification staited in India as a a sad thing. Money is not given by the Centre, national policy in 1961. At that time, we had seperately Tor rural electrification. Tamil Nadu less than 2 lakh pumping sets, and less than has understood the value of rural electrifi­ 25,00 villages were electrified. In the last ten cation. They have done a very huge amount years, we have made a very good effort. Nearly of electrification; still they attach great impo­ 16 lakh wells have been electrified and 1,05,000 rtance and they allot substantially more villages have been electrified. The tempo funds. The Rural Electrification Corpora­ has gone up. We are installing pumping sets tion has been set up with the Government at the rate 3,1/2 lakhs a year; as for villages of India as the financing organisation and we covered, it is at the rate of 17,000 a year. are trying to help as much as possible ...... (Interruptions)

The only regrettable feature is that there Gadasila in Orissa was not an electrified is some unbalanced development. Nearly village. We held there a meetirg in last Oct­ 9 states have got less than 18.8 per cent, of ober. It was a very good meeting and some rural electrification which is the average of Members of Parliament and some Members electrification in the countcry, These states of the State Assembly were also there. The have half the country's population. So there result of that meeting was that Gadasila ate 9 states which are below average. It is regre­ was electrified. At that meeting we found ttable that West Bengal, Orissa and Bihar, that electrification in Orissa was not picking three states which have very vital resources up because there were no transmission lines. including water should be lagging behind in We decided there that we shall give funds this respect. This point does not need arguing from thc Corporation even for transmission or explaining . Orissa has got only 2.7 per lines, though it is not generally the case. cent of the villages electrified. It is so bad. While in Tamil Nadu for every 30 acres we have got a pumping set, in Orissa for every One unfortunate thing is that the States 30,000 acres, there is a pumping set. come up to us very slowly and they do not come in the proper way. I have sent specially AN HON. MEMBER : What about officers to get these schemes prepared, I can Bihar and West Bengal ? assure the hon. Members that so far as the Rural Electrification Corporation is conce­ DR. K, L. RAO ; I have got very little rned I shall make the best use of that to allot time# extra funds for these three States and try to help as much as possible, and even go As 1 said, there is no need to argue that out of the way in the matter of transmission it is necessary to step up the effort considerably lines...... ( Interruptions ) We can come in these 9 state*, specially the thxsee States In provided schemes are prepared by the ( |>r» VU*. Rao J

S^tea. I think we shall be able to assist them 18 hrs. appreciably in the next three year« by giving MR. CHAIRMAN : No questions now. loans up to Rs. 20 crores from the Rural Fin­ There is no time. ance Corporation. DR. K. L. RAO : One aid will be, to As regards the cooperatives, hon. Members said that cooperatives have been establish the co-operatives; the other is to request the RWC. That, I have already done. set up i« *>me States. The American Rural Electric cooperative people came here at our That is to give extra assistance. Thirdly, 1 invitation and they said that would assist shall request the Ministry of Agriculture to the cooperatives by technical advice ana find out for me the areas where, if we give finance. We approached the States. None of electricity, they will dig up the wells. Four­ thly—and this is the most important thing—I the States, except 5 or 6, and Madhya Pradesh am going to set up one separate cell in the was one of them offered to take up the coope­ Central water and power Commission for ratives; most of the States said that they looking after these three States and accele­ did not want it as they thoujgit that it was something unnecessary. We also did not know rate the progress of rural electrification. very well about them. When these coopera­ SHRI JYOYIRMOY BOSU rose— tive were set up they had an organised way of dealing with electrification in a large number MR. CHAIRMAN : He has got no time. of villages, bigger units. That way it will be It is finished. helpful. I propose to persuade the Rural Electrification Corporation to assist in setting DR. K.L. RAO : There is one other aspect, up the cooperatives in all the three States. which I would subn it, and that is, one diffi­ We shall launch a massive attack on the culty is there especially in respect of North Bi­ problem. har and North Bengal; there h no power there. It is not only the transmission lines as in other One other thing remains. Pumping sets cases, but power, in Orissa, there is power; can be put up only if there are wells and there are no transmission lines. But in North there is some agricultural activity. 1 shall Bihar and North Bengal, there is the question write to the Agricultural Ministry. But of power generation . there is very little 1 would also request the hon* Mem­ power generation there. Therefore, what we bers from those States to pursue with the are trying to do is this. In North Bihar, power State authorities. They must say that there is utterly small. There are only 18 mw of power, effective power, whereas the require­ are so many wells in that area which need to be electrified. ment is at least twice at the moment. I think there is a lot of demand; the demand is much SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You must more than that. What we havejbeen trying to give electricity to those areas which have got do as a short term measure is, we are trying siulHKrft water. to bring in four units of 1,1/2 mw each from other areas and try lo ser tip the emits. Tb*t DR. K. L. RAO : If you want me to help, is a small thing; and then we are trying to there should be some schemes from the .States. connect Barauni with Dalkola. Hie line is ready except for the crossing of Mahananda. They should say that there are 86 many wells. If there are thousand wells they must say 1 think in the course of the next two months, that (hey would irrigate about 10,000 acres we shall be able to do that, It is only a low voltage tt kv line. More than that, we have if etectrifftatfcm is provided and we shall try sanctioned 132 kv tiac ftam Barauni to Sitigutf, to do that. and also from Alipur Duar to Bongaigon in Assam. These line# have been sanctioned. The But to ask me to do those things, will mean question is one of implementation. There, a lot of delay. So, anyway, *hat 1 want to the hon. Members must go on trying to pers­ submit is that ! have been thinking of this problem ever dace notice was given to uade them, they have been sanctioned. a* to how lean help in a positive way. AN H0N. MEMBER ,l Whftt *femt W m tgttha ). North Bihar 1 249 Ke. Electrification in JYAISTHA 21,1893 (SAKA) W. Bengal, Bihar 250 and Orissa {HAHDisc.) DR. K. L. RAO : I am coming to it. I have been waiting for the railway people More than this, we are trying to a get trans­ to see whether they will extend the line or mission lines and power from other places. indicate any other direction, because when But apart from this, I have also been feeling you rehandle the coal, the cost goes up. But strongly that there should be a good power I told my officers to have it at Samastipur station there. Therefore, I have been asking though it is not a very satisfactory thing, because the enginieers for the last two years for sugg­ it is nearer Barauni. It should be really further esting some projects and some proposals. off. I have waited nearly one year for that Only three days back, I got this propoal : process. But nothing has happened. So, I one from North Bihar and the other from will try to decide whether we shall go in for North Bengal. It was just three or four days Samastipur itself. So, we shall try to push up back. I am trying to get those projects sancti­ that project. oned. It is only then that we can have some power there. Otherwise, you cannot also As I said, there will be one or two projects extend rural electrification very much in near Katihar or the West Bengal-Bihar bolder. those needy areas. Unless we generate power, the question of rural electrification cannot receive an emph­ In regard to North Bihar, the problem is asis in these two areas. I have been men­ the same. There is very little power there, tioning that to my officers also. As I said, about especially when there is a huge population, the transmission line, we will be able to do it and when there are first-class under-ground at a much faster rate. water resources. But there is no power. We are trying to set up a thermal station; in I again thank the hon. Members for raising fact it is already provided for in the Fourth Plan. It is not as if is a new one. But the a discussion on this very important subject. difficulty has been, where to locate it; in I only appeal to them to follow it up with Muzaflfarpur or Samastipur. sustained interest and try to get as much assistance as possible. SHRI N. K. SINHA r Muzaffarpur. 18.06 hrs. DR. K. L. RAO : Muzaffarpur seems to be better because it should be as distant The Lok Sabha then adjourned tilt Eleven as possible from Barauni. of the Clock on Monday , June 14,1911/Jyais- tha 24,1893 (S AKA) But unfortunately, there is no broad gauge line; the broad gauge stops at Samastipur.