SENATE OF PAKISTAN SENATE DEBATES Wednesday 10 th June, 2009
The Senate of Pakistan met in the Senate Hall (Parliament House) Islamabad at twenty four minutes past five in the evening with Mr. Chairman (Mr. Farooq Hamid Naek) in the Chair. ------Recitation from the Holy Quran
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1 Questions and Answers Mr. Chairman: After questions. Please after questions. Mr. Muhammad Zahid Khan. Senator Muhammad Zahid Khan: Thank you Mr. Chairman. x F F S F nKGŽ± 67B6¯B‚?@=‡B°BV 9 V :•6•BM?®G G V 9 9 53. *Senator Muhammad Zahid Khan: Will the Minister for Planning and Development be pleased to state:
(a) the names and place of domicile of the members, specialists and advisors working in the Planning Commission indicating also the salaries, allowances and other fringe benefits admissible to them; (b) the names, date and duration of appointment of the persons presently re-employed in the Ministry of Planning and Development after their retirement from Government service; and (c) the names and place of domicile of the officers re-employed in the Project wing of the Ministry indicating also the salaries, allowances and other fringe benefits admissible to them?
Makhdoom Shahabuddin: (a) The Prime Minister is the Chairman of the Planning Commission which apart from the Deputy Chairman, comprise nine (9) Members including Secretary, P&D Division. Dr. Ishfaq Ahmad, N.I., H.I, S.I, former Chairman, PAEC is also appointed as Advisor to Planning Commission on Science and Technology in MP-I Scale with the status of Minister of State. Domicile and details of Members of Planning Commission are at Annex-I. List of Specialists/Consultants is at Annex-II.
(b) Annex-II.
(c) Details are at Annex-III .
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Dr. Ishfaq Ahmad, N.I., H. I., S. I., Advisor to Planning Commission on Science & Technology With the Status of Minister of State Dr. Ishfaq Ahmad, N. I., H.I., S. I., is an eminent scientist of Pakistan with a Ph. D in Physics and globally acknowledged post doctoral research and teaching experiencing for over 45 years in the area of science and technology. He has vast experience in formulation of science policy. In recognition of his historic contributions in nuclear Programme, the Government of Pakistan awarded him Nishan-e-Imtiaz and Sitara-Imtiaz.
MR. ASHRAF M. HAYAT Member Coordination / Secretary PPlanninglanning and DevelopmentDevelopment Division
Mr. Ashraf M. Hayat, a BS-22 Officer has been posted by Establishment Division with the approval of Prime Minister.
MR. PARVEZ BUTT (H., SI) Member Energy ê M.Sc. (Mechanical / Nuclear Engineering), University of Toronto, Canada ê B.Sc., (Mechanical Engineering) Mr. Parvez Butt joined Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission in May 1963 and rose to be its Chairman from where he retired in April 2006. As Director (SES) and then Member (Power), he made significant contribution to the indigenization programme of PAEC and established HMC-3, the countryãs largest equipment manufacturing workshops. After his retirement from PAEC he was appointed as Secretary, Science & Technology from where he retired in April 2008.
He has been awarded HI, SI and Tamgha-e-Baqa for his significant contribution to the power, engineering and other civilian and
4 strategic programmes of PAEC. He is working as Member (Energy), Planning Commission since 13 August 2008.
MR. M. AKRAM MALIK Member Infrastructure ê B.Sc. ê Post Graduate in Development Administration Diploma Birmingham University, UK Mr. Akram Malik joined the DMG in 1973. He has served as Federal Secretary in Economic Affairs, Planning and Development and Local Government. He has also served as Executive Director in Asian Development Bank (2002-2005) and Commercial Counselor as well as and later Economic Minister in Pakistan High Commission in London (1988-92).
He remained Chairman Planning and Development and Finance Secretary in Punjab and earlier on Provincial Secretary in different Departments. As a field officer he served as Deputy Connnissioner in Rawalpindi and Rahim Yar Khan districts and as Commissioner Bahawalpur. He compiled the first district Gazetteer after partition on Rahim Yar Khan district. He possesses a distinguished record of public service both in the Secretariat and the field. He was appointed as Member Infrastructure in 2008.
LT. GEN. (RETD) MUHAMMAD ZUBAIR HHI(M),I(M), P.E. Member Implementation and Monitoring
ê M.Sc. Defence & Strategic Studies, NDC ê M.Sc. Joint War Studies ê B.Sc. Engineering (Civil) M.I.E. Pakistan Engr. Lt. Gen Muhammad Zubair (Retd) has served Pakistan Army for 38 years. He served as Engineer in Chief. During his service contributed toward national development by executing mega projects. He was responsible for implementation of Lahore-Faisalabad Highway on Built
5 Own Transfer (BOT) basis. He has also remained as Chairman Earthquake Rehabilitation & Reconstruction Authority.
He has been Chairman National Camouflage and Concealment Committees, Evaluation and Standardization of Technical Design for u/ground Shelters and Academic Council. MCE. He has also served as Member Water and Power Committee, Federal Flood Commission. Executive Committee, Pakistan Engineering Council, Punjab Fnginccrin Academy. He has been awarded Sitara-i-Imtiaz (M) and Hilal-i-Imtiaz (M) for his distinguished services.
DRDRDR.DR . SHAUKAT HAMEED Member ê B.Sc. Oxford ê D.Phil, Oxford ê Fellow Pakistan Academy of Sciences ê Rector, GIKI ê Rhodes Scholar
Dr. Shaukat Hameed is an eminent scientist who served Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) for 37 years and retired as Chief Scientist and Director General. During his stay in PAEC he was actively involved in R & D, teaching, production, technical management, and policy planning and was engaged in design and production of laser and electronic equipment.
Dr. Shaukat Hameed Khan was appointed as Member, Science & Technology, Planning Conmlission on 21st August 2008 with the approval of Prime Minster on contract basis in MP-I Scale for a period of two years on existing terms and conditions. During this period, he continued to hold two assignments of Member S&T as well as Member, Social Sector in addition to his duties due to the fact the post of Member, Social Sector held by Mr. Ijaz Rahim had fallen vacant on completion of his turn.
6 Dr. Shaukat is working with Planning Commission since 2005 and has actively contributed to the national document çVision 2030 Pakistan in 21st centuryå. He has authored over 23 papers in international journals and conferences. He has been awarded Pride of Performance. He has over 40 years professional expertise in diverse areas of Academic and Research in Social Sector activities.
DR. MUHAMMAD E. TUSNEEM Member Food & Agriculture
ê M.S (Soils), University of Philippines ê Ph. D, (Agronomy), Louisiana State University, USA Mr. Tusneem is recognized as an eminent agriculture expert and development practitioner with wide ranging experience in agriculture sector at planning, research and development levels. Dr. Tusneem served as Chairman Pakistan Agriculture Research Council until his retirement. He has also worked with the Asian Development Bank for over 28 years and was appointed as Director General for East and Central Asia region including China. He has intimate knowledge of the discipline covering 24 countries of Asia and Pacific region.
DR. RASHID AMJAD Member / Chief Economist / Vice Chancellor PIDE
ê Ph.D (Economics) from Queenãs College, University of Cambridge, UK.
A distinguished economist and educationist, Dr. Rashid Amjad graduated from Government College, Lahore and obtained his Tripos in Economics B.A (Hons) and Ph.D from the University of Cambridge.
He was a Member of the Panel of Economists to frame Pakistanãs Fifth Five Year Plan. He has returned a large number of Articles and
7 Books. He has Co-Authored çManagement of the Pakistan Economy 1947- 82å and çPrivate Industrial Investment in Pakistan 1960-70å.
He worked for over 27 years in I. L. O. in various capacities including Director. Policy Planning, Director, Employments Strategy Department etc.
DR. SAMAR MUBARAKMAND, NI, HI, SI Member (Science & Technology) ê M.Sc (Pb), D.Phil (Oxon)
Dr. Samar Mubarakmand joined Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission in 1962 and rose to the post of Member Technical. He has been founding Director General, National Development Complex from 1994- 2001. He was founding Chairman of National Engineering and Scientific Commission from 2001-2007. His specialized fields include: Nuclear Instrumentation, Fiber Optics, Application of Lasers, Nuclear Weapon Systems. Nuclear Diagnostics and Missile Technology. Performed as Team Leader and played a key role in the conception, design and execution of the indigenous programmes of surface to surface, solid fuel, SHAHEEN Missile System.
He has been awarded Sitara-i-Imtiaz in 1992, Hilal-i-Imtiaz in 1998 and Nishan-i-lmtiaz in 2003. He is working as Member (S&T), Planning Commission since 16th December, 2008.
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Mr. Nazar Muhammad Gondal: (a) The prices of some major food items since January, 2009 to date have increased with the following percentages:ê
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Commodities Percentage increase in pricespri ces since January,2009
Wheat Flour 5.49 % Mung (Pulse) 5.37 % Mash (Pulse) 14.73 % Turmeric. 20.70 % Potato 8.86 % Onion 13.78 % Milk (Buffalo) 6.31 % Beef (with bones) 8.27 % Mutton 7.29 % Sugar Refined 13.62 % Maize 9.16 %
(b) Government has taken the following steps to control the prices of these food items:
1. Currently ban is imposed on export of wheat to ensure supply to the common man on affordable price. 2. Allowed import of raw and refined sugar in private sector as well as TCP to check escalation of sugar price. 3. Arranged supply of sugar through Utility Stores at subsidized rates. 4. Supply of ghee at Utility Store Corporation of Pakistan (USC). 5. For import substitution of edible oil, Palm oil and Olive Plantation is being encouraged. Other oil seed crops like Canola and Sunflower have been focused further to increase local production. 6. Free movement of agriculture commodities including wheat has been allowed across Provincial frontiers. A credit line was set up for private sector for building of storage and commodity procurement.
18 7. Government decided to allow import of wheat and wheat flour by the private sector according to the specifications prescribed by the Ministry of Food and Agriculture. 8. Support price of wheat for 2008-09 crop was raised from Rs.625 to Rs. 950 per 40 Kg which has resulted in record crop, easing the supply position of wheat in the country. 9. A procurement target of 6,550,000 tons of wheat was fixed, against which 9,123,942 tons have been procured by the public sector up to 08-06-2009. 10. Government has allowed duty free import of essential items including pulses from regional countries. 11. Government through PASSCO procured Gram and Mung pulses as buffer stocks to stabilize prices of these pulses in the Market. During 2006-07 following quantities of Gram and Mung were procured.
Gram = 86 Thousand M. Tons Mung = 25.8 Thousand M. Tons
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Jinnah Postgraduate Medical Centre, Saddar Karachi. 2. Federal Government Services Hospital, Islamabad. 23 3. Tuberculoses Control, Asghar Mall, Rawalpindi. 4. National Institute of Health, Chak Shehzad, Islamabad 5. Pakistan Medical Research Council, G-5/2, Islamabad. 6. Health Services Academy, Chak Shehzad, Islamabad. 7. National Institute of Cardiovascular Diseases, Saddar, Karachi. 8. Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences, Islamabad. 9. National Institute of Rehabilitation Medicine, Islamabad. 10. Sheikh Khalifa Bin Zayed Hospital, Quetta. 11. National Institute of Child Health, Karachi. (b) Number of persons working in aforementioned institutions are given below:ê JPMC, Karachi. Total employees in Grade 1ê21 are 2018 and its detail may seen at Annex-I. FGSH, Islamabad. Total employees in Grade 1ê 21 are 1452 with detail at Annex-III. TB Centre, Rawalpindi. Total employees are 91 with detail at Annex-V. NIH, Islamabad. Total employees are 290 with detail at Annex-VII. PMRC, Islamabad. Total employees are 283 with detail at Annex-I X . Health Services Academy, Islamabad. Total employees are 343 with detail Annex-X I. 24 NICVD, Karachi. Total employees arc 555 with detail at Annex-X II. PIMS, Islamabad. Total employees are 2400 with detail at Annex-X IV. NICH, Karachi. Total employees are 634 with detail at Annex-X VI. NIRM, Islamabad. Total employees are 194 with detail at Annex-X VIII. Sheikh Khalifa Bin Zayed Hospital, Quetta. Total employees are 465 with detail at Annex-XX . (c) JPMC, Karachi. Total number of 431 vacancies grade and province-wise may be seen at Annex-II. FGFGFGSH,FG SH, Islamabad. Total number of 89 vacancies grade and province-wise is at Annex-IV. TB Centre, Rawalpindi. Total 07 posts are vacant with detail at 1 at Annex-VI. NIH, Islamabad. Total 38 posts are vacant with detail at Annex-VIII. PMRC, Islamabad. Total vacant posts are 50 with detail at Annex-X . 25 HSA, Islamabad. Total vacant posts are 16 with detail at Annex-X I. NICVD, Karachi. Total vacant posts are 04 with detail at Annex-X III. PIMS, IslamabadIslamabad.... Total vacant posts are 122 with detail at Annex-X V. NICH, Karachi. Total vacant posts are 48 with detail at Annex-X VII. NIRM, Islamabad. Total vacant posts are 16 with detail at Annex-X I X . Sheikh Khalifa Bin Zayed Hospital, Quetta. Total vacant posts are 432 with detail at Annex-XX I. (Annexures have been placed on the Table of the House as well as Library). 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On his behalf. 56. ***Senator*Senator Wasim Sajjad: Will the Minister for Planning and Development be pleased to state: (a) the amount allocated in the PSDP for Baluchistan during the period from January, 2002 to January, 2008; and (b) the amount allocated in the PSDP for that province during the current financial year? Makhdoom ShahabuShahabuddin:ddin: (a) The allocation for Balochistan in federal PSDP during Financial. Years 2001-02 to 2007-08 is indicated below:ê 28 Financial Year Allocation (Rs Billion) 2001-02 5.5 2002-03 7.8 2003-04 11.8 2004-05 20.3 2005-06 21.5 2006-07 34.8 2007-08 46.6 (b) An amount of Rs 42.6 billion has been allocated for Balochistan in federal PSDP during current financial year i.e. 2008-09 Mr. Chairman: Answer taken as read. Any supplementary? Senator Haroon Khan: One statement and one question. 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Actually what happened was that in Balochistan there were 3 mega projects, Makran Coastal Road Balochistan, Gwadar Deep Sea Water Port and Mirani Dam, they have almost reached the point of completion and hence you know this reduction. Basically this is the reason. F F F S F né?9 BC?† :•6•BM?®G G V 9 9 F ; 9 F ; V F F ; FFF x È B•BN ?@BÊB?öB?s G Bdisburse B6L=A?@BÊB?@=yBâ6ss v B? BXB•Bˆ?@BlBÊBfB‚?@=‡B?@6ðBG s G G :C?†BC=A6L?sO B6‘ ÆÇG ŽÇG F n•B™G Ž6 QÁBr6L?G 29 Mr. Chairman: They are asking about the disbursement that has taken place out of this amount. Makhdoom Shahabuddin: Ok. You see I believe that almost all it is done. If he gives me a fresh question I will be in a better position to answer. F F ; ; s V F FFF x È this ÊB?s sO 6L? „@B?PÇ0V BøBX BE6L=YBV ŸV B?ÞBfresh question BC?•BnM?®BG 9 9 :C?†BC=A6L?sO B6‘ ÆÇG ŽÇG is a proper supplementary question. 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Mir Aijaz Hussain Jakhrani : (a) Only one component of NIH (Hospital Wing) was handed over to PIMS on 01-02-2005 for running its un-utilized Indoor facilities and up-grading the emergency services for 24 hours alongwith diagnostic services to rural population of surrounding areas. The services available there are as under:ê (i) Indoor patients. (ii) Emergency Department. (iii) X-Ray Department. (iv) Diagnostic facilities i.e. CTG machine, ECG, Ultrasound, multi purpose ultrasound unit for physiotherapy and new Nebulizer for asthmatic patients for management of Allergy Centre. (v) Gynae/Ante-natal OPD. (vi) Physiotherapy Department. (vii) EPI Centre. (viii) Family Planning Centre. 31 (ix) Animal Bite Treatment Centre. (b) No separate budget is allocated. The expenditure is met from PIMS annual allocation. (c) The names of doctors and other staff working in PIMS Satellite Hospital is given in Annex-A. (d) PIMS Satellite Hospital was upgraded after February, 2005 by PIMS to make it fully functional as 50 bedded Indoor as well as Outdoor facility alongwith 24 hours emergency care services for surrounding rural population of ICT, NIH employees and their families. 32 33 Mr. Chairman: Next question Mr. Muhammad Talha Mehmood. 58. ***Senator*Senator Muhammad Talha Mahmood AryanAryan : Will the Minister for Foreign Affairs be pleased to state: (a) the details of controversial issues between Pakistan and India; and (b) the steps being taken by the Government to resolve those issues? MakMakhdoomhdoom Shah Mehmood Qureshi : (a) and (b) Composite Dialogue between Pakistan and India was resumed in 2004. The fifth round was launched by the Foreign Secretaries of the two countries on 21 July 2008 in New Delhi. In the wake of Mumbai incident of November 2008 India has placed a çpauseå on the Composite Dialogue. Major controversial issues between Pakistan and India are as under: 1. Jammu and Kashmir dispute Pakistanãs principled position on Jammu and Kashmir dispute is based on the UN Security Council Resolutions, which provide that the final disposition of Jammu and Kashmir will be made in accordance with the will of the people to be determined through a free and impartial plebiscite under the UN auspices. Pakistan is committed to this position. The issue has been discussed during five rounds of Composite dialogue. The last Foreign Secretary level talks on Jammu and Kashmir under the 5th Round of the Composite Dialogue process was held on July 21, 2008 in New Delhi. An important development was the decision to commence cross- LoC trade on the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad and Poonch- Rawalakot routes from 21 October 2008. Resolution of the Kashmir dispute holds the key to durable peace in the region 34 which is an essential pre-requisite for the economic uplift of South Asia and prosperity of its people. Pakistan maintains that the people of Kashmir should be associated with the dialogue process between Pakistan and India. 2. Siachen and Sir Creek The Siachen glacier is situated near the north-eastern tip of Baltistan and forms part of the Northern Areas. Strategically, it lies to the north of the terminus of the Line of Control (NJ 9842) which was also the terminus of the Cease Fire Line of 1949 and of the agreement on the Line of Control of 1972. Since 1947, this area has been controlled and administered by Pakistan as part of its Northern Areas. India moved its troops in Siachen in April 1984. In order to forestall further incursions by the Indians, Pakistani troops took up positions in the area. The first round of Defence Secretary-level talks on Siachen was held in January 1986. Since then, 11 rounds of talks have been held between the two countries. The matter has also been discussed at various levels during bilateral meetings. Several ideas have been exchanged for the resolution of the issue. However, no progress has been made due to Indiaãs insistence on authentication by Pakistan of the Actual Ground Position Line. Similarly the Sir Creek issue has been discussed between Pakistan and India intermittently from 1976 -2004 but failed to reach a decision. The issue is being discussed under Composite dialogue process. During the review meetings of the Fourth round (21 May 2008), EAM Mukherjee remarked that çSir Creek was close to a resolutionå in response to the emphasis by the Foreign Minister regarding its çdoabilityå. 35 3. Water Issues Under the provisions of Indus Waters Treaty, the waters of three Western Rivers, namely Indus, Jhelum and Chenab, have been allocated to Pakistan. Under the Indus Waters Treaty (1960), restrictions have been placed on the design and the operation of hydroelectric plants, storage works and other river works to be constructed by India on the Western Rivers. The Treaty provides a procedure for the settlement of differences and disputes. Any question, which arises between the parties, is to be first examined by the Commission. If the Commission fails to resolve the issue, either Commissioner can initiate action to resolve the issue through Neutral Expert/Court of Arbitration. Questions of technical nature are to be dealt with by a Neutral Expert whereas other questions are to be settled through a Court of Arbitration. Construction of water reservoirs by India in violation of the Indus Waters Treaty is a matter of great concern for us. It is important to adhere to the Indus Water Treaty in letter and spirit to reach a just resolution to the water disputes. Resolution of the Water issues is extremely important. Mr. Chairman: Next question again Mr. Wasim Sajjad. Anyone on his behalf? 59. ***Senator*Senator Wasim Wasim Sajjad Sajjad : Will the Minister for Foreign Affairs be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that sixteen Pakistanis have been sentenced by a court in Yemen, if so, the charges framed against the said persons and the sentence awarded to each of them; (b) the details of legal assistance provided/being provided by the Pakistan Embassy in Yemen to those persons during their trials and in their appeals to higher courts; 36 (c) whether any interpreter was provided to those persons by the Pakistan Embassy in Yemen before, during and after their trial; and (d) the steps being taken by the Government to expedite the hearing of appeals, if any, of the said persons in higher courts? Makhdoom Shah Mehmood Qureshi : (a) Yes. Out of the sixteen Pakistanis, the Yemeni Court awarded death sentence to one Mr. Khuda Bakhsh and 25 years imprisonment to the rest of fifteen individuals on the charges of smuggling of drugs to Yemen ; (b) Embassy of Pakistan, Sanaãa hired the services of a lawyer for defending the cases of these Pakistani nationals in the First Instance Court. The lawyer will file an appeal before the Appellate Court ; (c) An interpreter has been provided by the Mission ; and (d) The lawyer hired for the purpose is in the process of submitting an appeal in the Appellate Court. Mr. Chairman: Next question Haji Ghulam Ali. Anyone on his behalf. 61. *Haji Ghulam Ali : Will the Minister for Industries and Production be pleased to state; (a) whether it is a fact that the Prime Minister has recently directed to regularize the services of all daily wages employees of the Utility Stores Corporation, if so, the steps taken by the Government in this regard; and (b) whether it is also a fact that the salaries for the last some months have not been paid to some of the said employees, if so, the time by which the same will be paid to them? 37 Mian Manzoor Ahmad Wattoo : (a) No such direction has been received from the Prime Minister Secretariat. (b) After the induction of requisite manpower on contract basis, the surplus daily wage employees have been relieved from service and they have been paid accordingly. However, necessary data/information is being collected from USC Regional/Zonal offices to confirm that dues of all ex- daily wage employees have been cleared. Mr. Chairman: Next question Mr. Abdul Ghaffar Qureshi. Senator Abdul Ghaffar Qureshi: Question No. 62. 62. ***Senator*Senator Abdul Ghaffar Qureshi: Will the Minister for Planning and Development be pleased to state: (a) the names, designation and date of appointment of officers working on deputation basis in Planning and Development Division; and (b) the normal tenure of deputation for officers in one department? Makhdoom Shahabuddin: (a) At present 21 (Twenty one) officers are working on deputation basis in the Planning and Development Division. Details at Annex-I. (b) The normal tenure of deputation is initially for a period of 3 years which is extendable for 2 years on year to year basis. 38 39 Mr. Chairman : Next question Mr. Abdul Ghaffar Qureshi. Answer taken as read. Any supplementary. 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B™ 6šG B6[ next time BM?„@BnÊB?V s G B=yB?@6L=Ys V Question Hour B˘ÊB¢Bs G discrimination BI=^Bé?9 Br?üB request you.1 67. ***Senator*Senator Prof. Muhammad Ibrahim Khan: Will the Minister for Science and Technology be pleased to state: (a) the steps taken by Government to develop mechanism for quality assurance in food and other consumer related items in Country; and 1 [ The question hour is over. The remaining questions ard their answers will be placed on the table of the House, taken as read ] 57 (b) whether there is any proposal under consideration of the Government to establish monitoring teams at union council level under the direct control of PCSIR for quality assurance of the said items? Mr. Muhammad Azam Khan Swati: (a) I. Realizing the need and importance of Metrology, Standards, Testing and Quality assurance, Government of Pakistan established Pakistan Standards and Quality Control Authority (PSQCA) under the Act VI 1996 (under the administrative control of this Ministry). II. PSQCA have developed a mechanism for ensuring the quality of products both for mandatory as well as voluntary conformance. It has formulated National standards and also adopted ISO/IEC national standards as Pakistan standards on various items particularly food items and other consumer items / products. PSQCA has so far formulated / adopted 28081 Pakistan standards. 78 of these standards have been notified as mandatory standards which mainly relate to food and safety. The manufacture and sale of these has to conform to laid down Pakistan standards for which samples are taken from industry and also from open market as per laid down procedure and tested at Quality Control Centre (QCC) of PSQCA and from other laboratories recognized by PSQCA for conformance with Pakistan Standard Specifications. (b) No. 58 59 60 68. ***Senator*Senator Mir Hasil Khan Bizenjo: Will the Minister for Foreign Affairs be pleased to state the number of Foreign visitors / delegations hosted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs since March, 2008, indicating also the date of arrival and departure, purpose of visit, the amount spent and the details of benefits achieved by Pakistan in each case? Makhdoom Shah Mehmood Qureshi: The requisite information regarding visitors/delegations hosted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs since March, 2008 is attached as Annexure-A. (Annexure has been placed on the Table of the House as well as Library) 69. ***Senator*Senator Mir Hasil Khan Bizenjo: Will the Minister for Health be pleased to state the number of Foreign visitors / delegations hosted by the Ministry of Health since March, 2008, indicating also the date of arrival and departure, purpose of visit, the amount spent and the details of benefits achieved by Pakistan in each case? Mir Aijaz Hussain Jakhrani : One foreign visitor, Dr. Hussain A. Gezairy, Regional Director, World Health Organization (WHO)/ Eastern Mediterranean Regional Office (EMRO), visited Pakistan from 8th to 11th January 2009 on the invitation of the Minister for Health. The purpose of the visit, amount spent and details of benefits achieved by Pakistan are annexed. 61 Expenditure Incurred: An amount of Rs.106,978/- (Rupees One Hundred Six Thousand Nine Hundred Seventy Eight only) was incurred on the visit of Dr. Hussain A. Gezairy Regional Director EMRO to Pakistan. Purpose of the Visit: To explore avenues for further cooperation and enhancement of the Primary Health Care (PHC) initiative. Discussion with government on current efforts being invested for a Polio free Pakistan. Promote equity and produce tangible impacts on the health indicators especially related to Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) 4,5&6. ”Ensure universal vaccination coverage of Newborns against Hepatitis B. Initiatives needed for sustainability of TB control efforts in Pakistan. Consolidate the Health Emergency Preparedness and Response capacity (HEPR). Benefits Achieved: The Honorable Prime Minister after necessary consultation announced the launch of the Prime Ministers Action Plan on Polio Eradication. WHO ensured its full support to achieve the goal of Polio eradication. ” Hepatitis Control Program is also reinforced after having useful discussions between the key figures and Policy matters. ” WHO supported the strengthening of routine Expanded Program on Immunization (EPI) coverage thereby helping the 62 Government to ensure universal Hepatitis B vaccination coverage of newborns. ” WHO has ensured its support in consolidating the Health Emergency Preparedness and Response (HEPR) capacity in Health System in Pakistan. UNUNUN-UN ---STARREDSTARRED QUESTION AND ITSITS REPLYREPLY For Wednesday, the 10th June, 2009 5. Senator Afia Zia: Will the Minister for Science and Technology be pleased to state: (a) the names of departments / organizations under the administrative control of the Ministry of Science and Technology; and (b) the names, date of birth, designations, educational qualifications, date of appointment and place of domicile of the officers in BPS 17 and above working in the said departments/organizations? Senator Muhammad Azam Khan Swati: (a) (1) There are 17 Science & Technology Organizations under Ministry of Science & Technology as per listed below:ê (1) Pakistan Council of Scientific and Industrial Research (PCSIR) (2) Pakistan National Accreditation Council (PNAC) (3) STEDEC Technology Commercialization Corporation of Pakistan. (4) Pakistan Science Foundation (PSF) (5) National Institute of Electronics (NIE) 63 (6) Pakistan Council of Renewable Energy Technologies (PCRET) (7) Center for Applied Molecular Biology (CAMB) (8) Pakistan Council for Research in Water Resources (PCRWR) (9) National Institute of Oceanography (NIO) (10) Council for Works and Housing Research (CWHR) (11) Pakistan Council for Science & Technology (PCST) (12) Pakistan Engineering Council (PEC) (13) Pakistan Standards & Quality Control Authority (PSQCA) (14) COMSATS Institute of Information Technology (CIIT) (15) National Physical & Standards Laboratory (NPSL) (16) Pakistan Technology Board (PTB) (17) National University of Sciences & Technology (NUST) (b) (1) Please see information regarding Officers of organizations under the administrative control Ministry of Science & Technology as per Annexure below:ê (1) Pakistan Council of Scientific and Industrial Research (PCSIR) Annex-I. (2) Pakistan National Accreditation Council (PNAC) Annex-II (3) STEDEC Technology Commercialization Corporation of Pakistan. Annex-III. (4) Pakistan Science Foundation (PSF) Annex-IV. (5) National Institute of Electronics (NIE) Annex-V. 64 (6) Pakistan Council of Renewable Energy Technologies (PCRET) Annex-VI. (7) Center for Applied Molecular Biology (CAMB) Annex-VII. (8) Pakistan Council for Reseach in Water Resources (PCRWR). Annex-VIII. (9) National Institute of Oceanography (NIO) Annex-I X . (10) Council for Works and Housing Research (CWHR) Annex-X . (11) Pakistan Council for Science & Technology (PCST) Annex-X I. (12) Pakistan Engineering Council (PEC) Annex-X II. (13) Pakistan Standards & Quality Control Authority (PSQCA) Annex-X III. (14) Comsats Institute of Information Technology (CIIT) Annex-X IV. (15) National Physical & Standards Laboratory (NPSL) Annex-X V. (16) Pakistan Technology Board (PTB) Annex-X VI. (17) National University of Sciences & Technology (NUST) Annex- X VII. (Annexures have been placed on the Table of the House as well as Library). 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Sardar Ali Sahib.F F S F F F F x È Bné?9 B•6•BM?®G G V 9 9 n¨6©?@Bª6©?@B‰?@B§BG « 9 :C?†B B6L?@\h6\ B6‘ ÆÇG ŽÇG F 9 F F F F S F s 9 s s speakers G G time G G V 9 'B BN Bâ? „@BlBÊB?s O 6LBC BA 9 Bno G BØ?ÞB@ A= Bk6LB‚?®B?ÞG FB?@6L\hB:•6•BM?®9 ; ; 9 B6[ conclude BfBl?NBoBG G s ¥ G B2 6LB6Ì V session B?ÞBç Bo BnjBìB6[B¢G G discussion conclude Bf G V Bn‰?@B§BK9 GŽË B˘C?sO B 9 nìG Senator Sardar Ali Khan: Mr. Chairman, it is my first time to speak here and as a college going boy I used to visit Swat and I used to wonder what a peaceful place Swat is. Look at the snow clad mountains, the fast flowing rivers and the streams but then I realized later on that the water that flows in the Swat river soon reaches the plains of Punjab and all affairs of nature are interrelated so I believe, are the affairs of human beings. I believe what is happening in Swat today is not an isolated event. It is not happening in Swat because a segment of the people who reside there believe that they would like to bring rather propagate Islam in the country. For that there has never been the problem. I believe and the record of our country shows, and I would take a little time Mr. Chairman, the Muslim community has political supremacy in the Sub-Continent for 700 years. They consisted of Turks, Afghans, Arabs, Mughals, Persians and a large number of the local population after the conversion or merge and held the cultural heritage of Islam. There is no doubt that Pakistan was created in the name of Islam. There is no document to suggest that it was made in the name of Pakhtoons or Balochs or Punjabis or Sindhis, rather from the very first instance after 1857 when Sir Syed Ahmed Khan gave 72 the idea that the Muslims and the Hindus were two different nations. Their way of life, their houses, their worships, everything was different. Hence, they could not stay together. Subsequently, it was Rehmat Ali who coined the name and Iqbal in his address at Ilahbad gave the idea of the majority area which will form a country that will be in the name of Islam. Mr. Chairman, I would like to say and I gave this explanation for the reason that yesterday two of my colleagues, they have different views and I believe that dealing with the IDPs, it is not fair, if we say that we will direct them where to live, we will tell them what to do, rather I would say, they have the freedom to move in Pakistan wherever they wish and they have stayed according to their status, in Islamabad, in Peshawar, in Abbottabad and various other places. Unfortunately, all those who have not been able to afford to stay in some houses, they have been placed in the camps. I have personally visited most of the camps. I have seen the condition and I know what the Government is doing. As far as the Baitulmal is concerned, I believe, they have been at work for 24 hours providing relief to the IDPs. Mr. Chairman, I feel that the present political situation in the country requires that all the political forces, they should get together, it is not a time to score points, it is not a time to work individually, rather the collective wisdom and the collective efforts of all the political parties could be able to save the day and here I would like to speak of the media also as we all know that media in modern times is a very effective weapon. I do not see anybody here but I would like to bring it on record that basically Pakistan is facing an attack on its western border in the form of militancy and extremism and from the international controlled media in the form of an assault on the very ideological basis of Pakistan by again and again referring to Pakistan as a failed state, as a not çdo moreå state and so many other phrases. I would request the national media here to adopt a patriotic approach towards this crisis and in this moment of need get the nation out of this crisis. I thank you Mr. Chairman for giving me a patient hearing. Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Now, may I request Mrs. Yahya? 73 Senator Mrs Rehana Yahya Baloch: Thank you very much Mr. Chairman for giving me a chance to speak but as this is the third day, I have been writing down points and scratching them off because other people have been saying it. So, I have got very less points left now. This is like violation of our countryãs sovereignty. All these words come together. Mr. Chairman, if you recall the January Session, Senators from both sides of the divide and especially from Pakhtoonkhwa Province pointed the arriving of Taliban in their distinctive areas especially Swat and these areas. I remember Haji Adeel sahib, Senator Bilour sahib and other Senators all indicating the uprising. Now, the schools were blown, how many women and children were killed mercilessly? How the jawans were ambushed and killed and they gave a very detailed account of what was happening right behind Islamabad. Now, I am going to ask the question. Why did the concerned people, who are at the helm of affairs, then and now, shut their eyes then? Why did they not take action when casualties would have been less and lesser IDPs or even no IDPs, if action was taken at the proper time? What is happening in Karachi, sir? Because when I wrote my paper, there were 31 dead, now there are much more. Somebody concern kindly let us know what is happening? Who is behind all this in Karachi? And what is happening in different areas? Nobody knows the answer and nobody can give an answer and the answers they give are all senseless. We have a lot of respect for Army and the success they sacrifice their lives. There are some mothers who have suffered, there are wives who have suffered, there are children who have suffered. So, we all have our sympathies with them. Three million displaced people are living in pathetic conditions, now have to be rehabilitated them, sir, in a proper way at least. The way they were living their own lives, in their own resources, whatever resources they had. That is one of the greatest concerns of this nation today, sir, because those people were living a peaceful live. So many people have narrated, the life in Swat I have seen it but I know how they must have lived in their own houses and they would love to go and live their. But can they go? I mean after the footage we have seen on the TV, the houses have 74 been blown up by the army to get the militants. So, it is going to be a very tough one. It is just like that earthquake we had. Where from the Taliban getting their supplies? A lot has been said on this also, sir, and why is something not been done? Now, it is too late. Why was something not done then to cut down their supplies? It was always very easy to blame somebody else. Sir, most of the blames are put on the border, the rugged borders that we have with our neighbours. We are not the only country with such borders. There are many other countries who have rugged borders but they are under control. Why canãt we control our borders because I come from an area which is always rugged. I would conclude by saying that the terrorists or Talibans not only be pushed out that as Rahim sahib said, they should be eliminated once and for all. I will just take a few minutes more, sir. My speech would be incomplete without mentioning the problem in the province of Balochistan. The Federal Government has granted very kindly 50 billion rupees to the provincial government of Balochistan. I hope and wish that all this money will be used for development like education, health and build the infrastructure of Balochistan to remove the grievances of the younger generation. I request the leaders to think above party lines and sort out the problems of the province and I hope that the money is used for military operation against the Baloch people. Thank you very much. Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Gul Mohammad Lat sahib. F Senator Gul Muhammad Lot: n¨6©?@Bª6©?@B‰?@B§G « 9 Sir, Thanks for giving me the floor. First of all I will very much regret and condemn the attack on Pearl Continental Hotel in Peshawar yesterday. Obviously, this is the reaction of the bold steps taken by our Government for starting the action against the insurgents. Today, majority of Pakistani nation backs the decision of taking action against the insurgents. Sir, before deciding this action on demand of our coalition partner in Peshawar i.e. ANP, who is having Government in Peshawar, obviously on their recommendation we had made an agreement with insurgents but in few days or few weeks they backed out from their agreement and obviously the action became imminent. 75 ; Í F ; F F F ; F F F B•s \hBC?@BXB 6L\h?•B£?•BzBC=9 G ½9 BC=yB?N6[Bs ü? B=^BC=Y?@=iBbBˆ?@B6L=A?@Bâ=9 9 + Bš V?NB•G ! "? ?@=ABM?®9 9 F F F F F F ; ; n n ÊB?N\hBf?@6L\…B?ÞBC=Y?†Bí?@BsG 9 V GÜBbBC?( V?NB6L=A?@BÊB?öB s G è 9 ?aB?ÞBC=A\h6R In recent speech of President Obama, he has said that this IDPs movement is the biggest movement since 1940. Sir, our Government in last Í F weekãs NEC meeting have awarded about 50 billion rupees for IDPs, ‰?@B¸ ? ?@ I am hoping, we will win this war and we must make some arrangements that when these IDPs will return back to their homes, they should not be looking towards the Government everytime and the proper arrangements must be made that once they are back to their houses, their homes, their businesses, they could be able to start that as soon as possible. Sir, regarding insurgents, recently the US Foreign Secretary Miss Hillary Clinton in her recent interview said that these insurgents are those who came to Afghanistan in 1980s with the back of US and the US supported them and trained them at that time to fight against Russia but when the Russiaãs downfall came in Afghanistan, US left them and after that they became extremists. Sir, I think, her this statement confirms that our foreign policy is going in a right direction and we are able to convince US that these extremists and insurgents travelled from Afghanistan after 9/11 when Americans and NATO forces came in Afghanistan. This is the whole problem which US left in 80s and today we are facing that problem. Sir, I very much appreciate my colleagues especially from Opposition who have appreciated the military action. I think this is the time where we should forget the personal differences and back our Government and our army to win this war as it is a very important war and this is the future of our country and our children. Sir, at the same time, some of my colleagues were disagreeing on this war. Well, everybody has a right of opinion but while discussing on Swat matter some of them have criticized on the recent tours of the President of Pakistan, Mr. Asif Ali Zardari. Sir, either they want to criticize because they want to criticize, I do not know why do not they realize that from the recent tours of the President of Pakistan we have been promised seven billion US dollars aid, 5.2 billion in Tokyo, the friends of Pakistan meeting in the last ten days visit of President to US, France and England. 76 Sir, I think that the Presidentãs tours are fruitful, they are bringing results Í F and I hope ‰?@ ¸ ? ?@ that due to these tours and these funds we will be able to settle our problems. F ; ; F G G x sx FFGGsž0 V 9 F 9 F ; s BT ?@B•BC=D Bä=A67BE6L?V & BnÊBI6©Bsé9BfBGGG>B=YBÊBœ s BN B† 6’Br\h?N6LBé 9 BfB6R?@BnÊB?N?•B=^BC? s VV( ?NB>F s S ÇX9 BnoBG s 6LBP V BXBC=>?üBê BK GŽë Sir, here I will like to give an example of Sri Lanka where since decades they are fighting against insurgents and now they are very close to win this war. Sir, in the end I will request all the political parties and all my colleagues and Parliamentarians here that we must refrain in criticizing on Government and on army on this ongoing war. Sir, we have many other matters where we can have different political views and opinions but at least this matter is very serious and we need to be one on the matters where our country is at stake. Thank you very much. Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Mrs. Kalsoom. 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F F F x È ; Í F F F S x È B6‘ÆÇG ŽÇG B ù6 BlBÊBfBˆ6L?@6RBs G Thank you Mr. Chairman. : 6L?•B9 fG B6Š G B\ÙB6‘G ÆÇG ŽÇG F F F F nnn67BV issue Bˆ?@BzBC?†B\¤?@6Ls F F Í F F F S V F noBC?G s G 67BXBC=Y\hBØ?ÞBé?V 9 B\¤?@6LBs :•G 6•BM?®G 9 9 ; S F F ; F F F x È B6L=A?@BN BI=yBM?NBXBC?@Bs 9 6ðB°BXBz6[BG V raise =^Bˆ?@B•BG House :I?N6LB?9 6LBC?‰G B6‘ ÆÇG ŽÇG x F 9 x F F F F B?@67B?ÞBˆ?@B6L=A?@B?öB9 G assure BzBChief Minister Sahib B˘?öBG Œ 9 ?@6LBN BXB«6L=—BÖ\ÙB67BV issue Bˆ?@BzB•G F F F BC?@B lB \hB direction B =^B Local AdministrationFS and Police B zB C= ?@B n?Gµ B serious notice FSF;F t F G ; G s 9 s proper; B •B MB ˆ?@B lB ‹B £?@\¤B N B =^B 6_?†BV ?@=AB zB C= ?@B 6L=A?@B z?†B9 ?öBG 'S ?@6˜B `B =^B students F F BuB6G Ì V B6L=A?@BÊB?s G B?N\hB6[BG Youth Hostel earmark Br\ G B G•?@B GÜBbBC?@ 67Bˆ?@Bnu?†BV G 9 G Barrangements Í x F F F x ŽÇG _ F F 9 Vice BbB=A6L=¦ ?†Bg6L=9 ¬ G =YBÖ\ÙBG B Ç B‹B Vice President Haji AsmatS Ullah BbBC?@B=^BC=i FFF; F F F ; Vice BbBC?@BnoBê?†B?G s s V t Bé?9 BC?†B\¤?@6LB•BE6L?NBbB{Bs G 9 9 issues B=A\hBnI=yBs × ?üBbBChancellor Í Í FFS ; ; F s GGs F F G V B=^B' BnÊBS s ¢BŒ 9 ?@6LBI=^B?@6L?& B× ?üBbBC?@B@ A= B B?„@B¢B ?@=AB; students BM?@BbB?ÑBzB9 S President F Í F x x BC=yB6767Bs GV sO? 6LB•Bˆ?@BfBlBÊB?GGsG B?N\hBE\hB=^BC?@B=iBÊBr\ G9 s G BXBC=ù0Ç È sO ? 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BfBlBoBG G s ¥ G B6[BB ÇŽÇG _ × ?üBbBC?@B' s BlB?ÑBzBMinister Sindh ; ; F x F S F G s ŽÇG _ G B?ÞBC?@B•B ?@BlB?NB=yBB Ç B‹BAcademic CouncilF B6L=A?@BChancellorS is the Governor B@ A= Bz?†9 F FF; F ; x F F F Bproper forum B G•?@BóB=yBC?G s§ ?@B?ÞBC?@BlBÊB¢Bò?@6s G k ?@BI=^B=^B«6L=—BÖ\ÙBn B=yB s special exam F Ultimately Sindh B nÊBs forum Academic Council B 6L=A?@B Ê s ?w G B decision B G•?@B •G Government would like to have it. Even the Vice Chancellor has said this F F x ; B?N6[BB ÇŽÇG _BfBØ?NBG 9 that we would like to have the special examinations in August. ; ; they are sitting in the government, they are part of the government B=YBoBê?†G s s V over there. Ultimately the law and order situation relates to the provinces also. It is a subject matter of province also but inspite of this the matter was raised in the Senate. We had a concern over this and we contacted F Bstudents BC?@B' s BlBthe Sindh Government and Sindh Government has assured us FFx F ; F s9 s t s B2 "? 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BóB?G BC=>B6[Bcheck BN ?@B•BG did not take part in that. x F ; 9 F x ; B•BýG GŽÇG È B`=A\hB=iBbB9 ANP B•BnjBC=yBG s N BChief Minister Sahib B•Bˆ?@B˘ÊBG s B ÇŽÇG _B G•?@B× ?ü ; ; F x ; ; S s G ŽÇG _ F F G G s B6[BM?NB6[B9 , BXBChief Minister Br=AB6L=A?@BC=yB?–\hB?@=A6[BB Ç B‹BC?@BF × ?üBbBC?@B•B=YBz?„@BC?•Bo Br=AB6R?@B˘o G ; ; F ; F x s GGGV s ŽÇG _ G B6L=A?@Bo BlBC=yB?N6[BS request BXBC=• =A\hBø?@B•B6V Ì B=YBoB¢B•BG B Ç Bˆ?@Bo BChief Minister B6R?@BnÕ F s Í F B˘oB6L\G s ® BI?N=ßBbBC?@B67BC?9 V sO =AB=iB˘é?9 9 B\ÙBG ?üBlBand I will make sure BZ\hBE\hBG A 9 BC\hB=A\hB˘C=‡67 V S x F S x sF F _ F G s F _ F then Zahid is at ; BI=yBfBB ÇŽÇG B‹BC?@B•BC=Y\hB=A\hB6R?@Bnz?†B=yBX9 Chief Minister B ÇŽÇG B‹BC?@ ; F ; nÕB6[BG GG B=^BM?NBˆ?@BlB?9 BC=A6[Brequest BXBC?@BXB• =YBbBM?V „@B•BG liberty to walk out. 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