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NATIONAL LIFE STORIES ARTISTS' LIVES Jack Smith Interviewed by Cathy Courtney C466/96 NATIONAL LIFE STORIES ARTISTS’ LIVES Jack Smith Interviewed by Cathy Courtney C466/96 This transcript is copyright of the British Library Board. Please refer to the Oral History curators at the British Library prior to any publication or broadcast from this document. Oral History The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB 020 7412 7404 [email protected] This transcript is accessible via the British Library’s Archival Sound Recordings website. Visit http://sounds.bl.uk for further information about the interview. © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk IMPORTANT Access to this interview and transcript is for private research only. Please refer to the Oral History curators at the British Library prior to any publication or broadcast from this document. Oral History The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB 020 7412 7404 [email protected] Every effort is made to ensure the accuracy of this transcript, however no transcript is an exact translation of the spoken word, and this document is intended to be a guide to the original recording, not replace it. Should you find any errors please inform the Oral History curators ( [email protected] ) © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk The British Library National Life Stories Interview Summary Sheet Title Page Ref no: C466/96/01-12 Digitised from cassette originals Collection title: Artists’ Lives Interviewee’s surname: Smith Title: Interviewee’s forename: Jack Sex: male Occupation: Dates: 1928 - 2011 Dates of recording : 24.11.1999; 25.07.2000; 06.03.2000; 29.05.2001 Location of interview: Interviewee’s home Name of interviewer: Cathy Courtney Type of recorder: Marantz CP430 and two lapel mics Recording format: TDK C60 Cassettes F numbers of playback cassettes: F7879-F7883; F9409-F9413; F9459-F9460 Total no. of digitised tracks : Mono or stereo: Stereo Additional material at the British Library : Copyright/Clearance: Full Clearance . © The British Library Interviewer’s comments: Catalogues in JS’s file should be given to listeners as specific page nos. are referred to in the tapes. © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Jack Smith C466/96/01 F7879A Page 1 F7879 Side A Recording with Jack Smith at his home in Hove on the 24 th of November 1999. [break in recording] Do you know what today’s date is? I think it’s the 25 th is it? Is that right? Of which month and which year? November, ’99. [break in recording] If I may, I wondered if I could just start where we usually start, which is asking whether you knew your grandparents. Yes, briefly I knew them. Well I knew one of them more than the other side of the family, because my mother’s father, when his wife died, came to live with us. In fact, also her brothers came to live with us. In those days the eldest daughter, or the daughter, if there was a death of either parent, the other parent came to live with that daughter, and also the brothers or sisters came to live in the same family. So I got to know him better than the other grandparents, because he was with us for quite a long time. What was his name? I think it was Alfred. He was known locally as Affy, so I presume it was Alfred. And his surname? © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Jack Smith C466/96/01 F7879A Page 2 Booth, Alfred Booth. And have you any idea when he was born? No I haven’t. No. I know that he...he lost whatever work he was doing during the Depression, which will be the Thirties, and he never worked properly after that time; in fact my father kept him really. I mean he did...he did odd jobs; he had an allotment and he brought...that was his contribution, if you like, bringing vegetables and things like that into the home. But he never worked again. And do you think he found that a very difficult position, were you aware...? I should imagine so, yes, I should think so. And where had he grown up, do you know much about his life? No, I don’t. I presume he was...he’d grown up in Sheffield, I don’t...I can’t imagine him being anywhere else. (laughs) But the other, the other grandparents were my father’s parents, they were very different, they were kind of, the Victorian mother and father. The grandmother sat in her chair, she was very very fat, and all she did all day was read the Bible, that was all. He was more active. I don’t know what he had done. I think he’d had something to do with the railways. He spent most of his time gardening, that I do know. And we met them every year at Christmas, all the family, which of course being a Victorian family was quite large, had to go there for Christmas. Personally I hated it, because we had to play, as children we had to play stupid games, and I was the kind of person who preferred to sit in a corner and read a book. (laughs) And we had worst of all to kiss our cousins, which at that age of course one didn’t like doing. As one got older of course when one might have liked it, one wasn’t allowed to. (laughs) So it was that kind of background Did the grandmother read the Bible aloud, or to herself? © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Jack Smith C466/96/01 F7879A Page 3 No. No she just sat there with it in her lap. I don’t...I don’t know, I don’t... I mean, one had really no contact as such, you know? What...where did they live? When you said you went to them, where were they from? They lived about, two or three miles away from where we lived. It was within walking distance. I mean at Christmas we always walked back at night late, because there was no transport, so it was within walking distance, you know. And if they had a large family, was there space for everybody, or not? They had...there would be two rooms, all the family would be in two rooms. (laughs) As in, a front room and a parlour? That’s right, yes. Yes. And what do you remember about the house? Was it dark, or light? No, it was quite light. I think it was, my guess is that it would be a 1930s house, in a more, a more kind of middle-class neighbourhood than...more middle-class than where we lived for example. And were you made to feel uncomfortable about that, was there a sense of class difference? No, not at all. No. No there was none of that. But we, as I say we hardly ever saw them. My other grandfather of course, as lived with us so we saw a lot of him, and, I mean he spent the war with us, and a war made you get to know people better. And would your other grandfather have come with you for Christmas with your father’s parents? © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Jack Smith C466/96/01 F7879A Page 4 No, no. No he didn’t. Funny, funny question you ask. I never even thought about that, but no, he didn’t. I’m sure he wouldn’t want to. Mm. So how big was this family that met at Christmas, how many brothers did your father have, or sisters? Let see, he had...let’s see, one...two sisters, no three...four sisters, four sisters, and two brothers. Mm. And they all had children? And they all had children. [pause] They all had only one child, not more than one. I mean that was very wise of them, because I don’t suppose they could afford having a lot of children. It was quite unusual then as well though wasn’t it? Only to have one child? Yes, I suppose it was. Yes, the idea of course was to have two children. And, were your aunts and uncles part of your life, or did you really only see them at Christmas? No, not really. No. And, how much do you know about the way your father was brought up? He was presumably brought up in a very Christian framework. I don’t know. He wasn’t...he didn’t go to church or anything like that, but, he had...he had standards about behaviour, but not rigid. He was a good man I think. I think he was a good man to take in my grandfather and my mother’s brothers; I mean that must have been a terrible strain you know. How old were the brothers at the time, the mother’s brothers? © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Jack Smith C466/96/01 F7879A Page 5 I think they’d be in their thirties, I think. And obviously they were unmarried? They were unmarried, yes. As soon as they got married of course they, they left. One of them died. He’d already left, but he died quite young. Of an illness? Yes, he had meningitis I think, yes. And did that have quite an impact on you, were you aware of what had happened? No. Only my mother coming to tell me he had died one morning, as she woke me up. No. I didn’t know him very well.
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