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1 CITY OF NEW YORK

2 2012-2013 DISTRICTING COMMISSION

3 PUBLIC MEETING

4 Staten Island Borough Hall

5 10 Richmond Terrace

6 Staten Island, New York 10301

7 August 20, 2012

8 5:15 P.M.

9

10 IN ATTENDANCE:

11 JUSTIN YU

12 MADELINE PROVENZANO

13 JAMILA PONTON BRAGG

14 LINDA LIN

15 GLORIA CARVAJAL WOLFE

16 ROXANNE J. PERSAUD

17 BENITO ROMANO, Chair

18 OSCAR ODOM, III

19 SCOTT CERULLO

20 KAMILLAH M. HANKS

21 THOMAS V. OGNIBENE

22 MARC WURZEL

23 ROBERT HART

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1 MR. ROMANO: Good evening and thank you for

2 coming tonight. Welcome to the New York City

3 Districting Commission's public hearing. And a

4 specifically thanks to James Molinaro, borough

5 president, for hosting us tonight. My name is

6 Benito Romano and I am the chair of the New York

7 City Districting Commission.

8 We have this facility until 9:00, although

9 we may -- it looks like we are going to finish

10 earlier. I want to make sure we hear from

11 everyone who has signed up. For those who did

12 not sign up and wish to speak, please see one of

13 the Districting Commission staff to register.

14 There is Jonathan Ettricks, who is around.

15 There he is, okay, and Brian Flynn is here, and

16 Shirley Malone. See any one of them to register

17 to speak. If you require translation for your

18 statement, please let the staff at the

19 registration desk know. They will ensure that a

20 translator will be provided when it is your turn

21 to speak.

22 Before we begin to take testimony, I would

23 like to make a few opening comments. At the

24 beginning of August, the Commission advertised in

25 community and ethnic newspapers announcing the

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1 Commission's public hearing schedule. An e-mail

2 blast was sent to over 5,000 individuals and

3 organizations. Various advocacy groups helped

4 spread the word through their individual

5 networks, and the hearing schedule was publicized

6 on Facebook and our Twitter feed.

7 From the look of his room, it seems we are

8 able to reach many of you. Nevertheless, as we

9 go forward in this process, we will seek other

10 additional ways to maximize community

11 participation.

12 Tonight, we continue the first stage of New

13 York City's districting process as laid out in

14 the New York City Charter. After the Commission

15 holds public hearings in each of the five

16 boroughs, the Commission will meet again this

17 Friday at 1:00 P.M. at Council Chambers in City

18 Hall to discuss what we have learned during this

19 process.

20 At this August 24th Commission meeting, we

21 will direct the staff to create a preliminary

22 district plan according to the Commission's

23 instructions. On September 4th at 1:00 P.M. at

24 the Council Chambers in City Hall, the Commission

25 will meet again, this time to review and adopt

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1 the preliminary district plan that will then be

2 made available for public inspection and comment.

3 Please note that both these meetings will be

4 open to the public, but there will not be any

5 opportunity to speak or make comments, at least

6 not then. The public will have an opportunity to

7 comment on this preliminary district plan during

8 the second round of public hearings held

9 throughout the five boroughs from 5:00 to

10 9:00 P.M. on October 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 10th and

11 11th.

12 The places are still to be determined, but

13 the venues will be different than the locations

14 that we have previously used in order to maximize

15 opportunities for participation. Comments from

16 this round of public hearings will then be

17 considered during the Commission meeting

18 scheduled for October 18th, where staff will once

19 again be directed to revise the preliminary

20 district plan in response to the comments that we

21 received.

22 At the next Commission meeting,

23 October 30th, the revised plan will be presented,

24 considered and adopted by the Commission. This

25 revised plan will then be delivered to the City

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1 Council for its inspection and approval by

2 November 5th.

3 According to the City Charter, by

4 November 27th, the council must either adopt the

5 revised district plan, at which point the plan

6 will then be filed with the City Clerk, or the

7 Council can object to the revised district plan,

8 in which case the plan will be returned to the

9 Commission with the Council's comments and

10 objections.

11 The Commission will then have until

12 January 5, 2013 to create a revised plan. This

13 will then set the stage for a new set of public

14 hearings which has been tentatively scheduled for

15 January 18th to February 8th in each of the five

16 boroughs. Again, we aim to have these hearings

17 in different elections from the prior two rounds

18 of public hearings in order to maximize public

19 participation.

20 The Commission will then have until

21 March 5th to create, adopt and submit a final

22 plan to the City Clerk and to the United States

23 Department of Justice for Voting Rights Act

24 Section V preclearance. This process is

25 described in a flow chart that is available for

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1 you tonight. Another handout that is available

2 are two maps. One map is of the five boroughs

3 with the current City Council district lines, and

4 another is a map of Staten Island with the

5 borough's current City Council district lines.

6 Both maps include total populations within

7 the districts. The population figures in the

8 handouts have already been adjusted to reflect

9 prisoners serving state sentences, but having

10 residences within their respective districts as

11 of the time of the taking of the U.S. Census in

12 2010. The Commission will take into

13 consideration when drawing the district lines.

14 It is also important to keep in mind that,

15 as we conduct these public hearings, we are not

16 writing on a blank slate, but are operating

17 within an established legal framework. The law

18 obligates the Commission to consider during the

19 districting process the following: The total

20 population difference of any district cannot be

21 greater than 10 percent of the average population

22 of all the districts.

23 District lines have to ensure fair and

24 effective representation of racial and language

25 minority groups in New York City. The lines must

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1 keep neighborhoods in communities with

2 established ties of common interest and

3 association intact. The district line must make

4 contact and must be contiguous, that is to say,

5 next to one another.

6 The lines must keep districts within the

7 boroughs. And, of course, we must avoid

8 diminishing the effective representation of

9 voters. I want to bring to your attention our

10 website, www.nyc.gov/districting. The site is

11 the central repository of all documents and

12 videos relating to the Districting Commission.

13 It also contains a complete schedule of our

14 public hearings and a portal where you can

15 preregister for all hearings and be added to our

16 mailing list. I hope you will visit the site and

17 let us know if it can be made more informative

18 and interactive.

19 One final note. We have a number of

20 speakers tonight, not many, but a number. Each

21 of you has three minutes, which is not very long.

22 Keep in mind, however, we already have a

23 substantial amount of data from the U.S. Census.

24 We will accept and read your written submissions.

25 All of this data is important to our decision.

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1 But your testimony at these hearings is

2 critical as well. In your remarks, tell us about

3 your neighborhoods. Where are its natural

4 boundaries as you see them? So that we can

5 follow your comments, please tell us what Council

6 district you are concerned about and how, if at

7 all, you would like to see it changed.

8 At this point, we will have the

9 commissioners introduce themselves and then we

10 will hear from our first witness. If we can

11 start from that end.

12 MR. WURZEL: Hi, Marc Wurzel.

13 MR. HART: Hi, Rob Hart. I live in the west

14 Brighton section of Staten Island.

15 MR. CERULLO: Hi, Scott Cerullo. I live in

16 the section of Staten Island.

17 MS. HANKS: Kamillah Hanks, I live in the

18 Stapleton section of Staten Island.

19 MR. ODOM: Oscar Odom III, Brooklyn.

20 MR. HUM: Carl Hum, staff to the Commission.

21 MR. HACKWORTH: I am Thaddeus Hackworth,

22 also staff to the Commission.

23 MS. PERSAUD: Roxanne Persaud, Brooklyn.

24 MS. WOLFE: Gloria Wolfe, Manhattan.

25 MS. LIN: Linda Lin, Queens.

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1 MS. BRAGG: Jamila Ponton Bragg, Manhattan.

2 MS. PROVENZANO: Madeline Provenzano, the

3 Bronx.

4 MR. ROMANO: Thank you. Let's call our

5 first speaker.

6 MR. HACKWORTH: Our first speaker will be

7 Joseph Granello, which will be followed by

8 William Stanford, Jr.

9 MR. GRANELLO: Good evening everyone. Thank

10 you for the opportunity to speak on this

11 important topic. This evening, I will limit my

12 comments to the requested three minutes. I have

13 electronically submitted the complete comments to

14 the Commission.

15 My name is Joe Granello. I am a home and

16 business owner in the Sunnyside section of Staten

17 Island. Sunnyside is part of Community Board 1,

18 on which I am proud to have served for eight

19 years as a member, transportation chair and first

20 vice chair under two former borough presidents,

21 Anthony Gaeta and Ralph Lamberti.

22 I have been informed that Staten Island, for

23 the first time in 30 years, will have three

24 self-contained council districts which do not

25 cross county lines. I hope this commission will

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1 consider the geographic boundaries of the three

2 council districts to be coterminous with our

3 existing three community boards. The concept of

4 community boards has been involved since the year

5 of 1951.

6 Citywide, voters have reaffirmed the

7 importance of the 59 boards. Community boards

8 provide the citizens of New York City with

9 neighborhood governance. Council members must

10 work closely with their community boards. They

11 are officio members, nonvoting members of the

12 board. They submit nominations for community

13 board membership approved by the borough

14 president.

15 Community boards advise Council Members on

16 the expense and capital budgets. All three

17 Council Members on board will sit with the three

18 community board chairs. To quote Mr. Jim Caras,

19 Deputy General Counsel of New York City Council

20 in his remarks on the Commission at July 17, "One

21 of the main reasons for increasing the number of

22 districts in 1989 was to make the council body

23 more closely represent the rich diversity of our

24 city."

25 As a follow-up to Mr. Caras' remarks, I

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1 quote the words spoken at the same meeting by

2 Dr. Joseph Salvo from the City Planning

3 Department regarding population change on Staten

4 Island: "Let's go, Staten Island. White

5 population down, Staten Island is the only

6 borough where the Hispanic and black populations

7 both increased, most heavily in Community

8 District 1. Community District 1 is now no

9 different from the different areas in the rest of

10 the city. It's an amazingly diverse place."

11 In conclusion, let's seize the opportunity

12 to maintain this amazingly diverse place by

13 making it Council District 49. Do not carve out

14 white communities or minority communities to

15 protect incumbents. The diversity is too

16 important. Good government is too important.

17 Thank you.

18 MR. HACKWORTH: Our next speaker will be

19 William Stanford, Jr., to be followed by Council

20 Member Debi Rose.

21 MR. STANFORD: If you hold future public

22 hearings here, you should consider getting a

23 bigger room, for starters. We are packed like

24 sardines here, okay? What I am seeing here in

25 Staten Island today is similar to what I saw in

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1 Brooklyn last Monday. All I said was to get a

2 bigger room last Monday, and a smaller room

3 today.

4 If you remember, last Monday, your public

5 hearing lasted under two hours, between 5:00 and

6 7:00. It started after 5:00 and ended before

7 7:00. And this public hearing started after 5:00

8 and I anticipate it will end before 7:00. That's

9 embarrassing, Okay? What's also embarrassing,

10 like us, some of you were late, okay? But,

11 what's different from that last month, this time

12 you remembered to turn off your cellphones and to

13 put them on vibrate, which I noted of last Monday

14 and Thursday.

15 As far as City Council districts go, I think

16 the lines should just go straight, rather than go

17 zigzag, just go straight. I know you have to

18 redraw them. I think they should just go

19 straight, not zigzag, to be more concise, be more

20 consistent. To me, it's a little confusing.

21 What I have here, it goes straight across.

22 Unfortunately, here in Staten Island, you can't

23 go by the bus corridors, because this borough is

24 shaped differently, which I also previously

25 noted. But you can go straight across rather

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1 than zigzag, because that's a little confusing.

2 So, you should consider doing that.

3 If you do, give the constituents what they

4 want, not what you want. Don't make the same

5 mistake Bradford did. They did whatever the hell

6 they wanted and, you know, didn't care about us,

7 okay? So, that's my only comment.

8 See if you can go straight across, straight

9 across. It's not -- it won't be perfect, but you

10 can try. Let's make an effort. Let's make a

11 difference in our lives, rather than make

12 childlike excuses like Nicholas Bradford made.

13 MR. HACKWORTH: Our next speaker will be

14 Council Woman Debi Rose to be followed by

15 Dr. Mohammad Khalid.

16 MS. ROSE: Good evening. I want to welcome

17 the commissioners to Staten Island, but more so

18 to Staten Island in my district, which as you

19 know, is the fastest-growing and the most

20 diverse. So, I want to thank you. My remarks

21 are going to be brief, which is unusual for a

22 politician. So, everybody should applaud that.

23 (Laughter.)

24 We will be brief and general. So, once

25 again, I would like to welcome you and commend

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1 you as you take the arduous task of reconfiguring

2 the board of the councilmanic districts of Staten

3 Island. This complicated process, often

4 misunderstood, occurs every ten years in order to

5 comply with the population changes according to

6 the Census and to ensure that the mandate of one

7 person/one vote is realized.

8 And as I stated, my district had the

9 distinction of being the district that grew the

10 most. This process has to happen. And the

11 director of the Commission has assured me that

12 every effort will be made to preserve communities

13 of interest within the districts so that Staten

14 Islanders will be fairly represented in the new

15 districts.

16 I have represented the 49th Councilmanic

17 District for two years and eight months, and I

18 have come to know many of my constituents in and

19 the community groups. The possibility of no

20 longer representing some neighborhoods is really

21 upsetting to me as my staff and I have worked

22 hard to put the needs of our constituents first.

23 And just to reiterate that, I really would

24 like to keep all of my constituents as they are

25 now. I know that's not possible. I am asking

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1 the Commission to recognize, however, that the

2 redistricting of Staten Island is unique. As I

3 found as a member of City Council, that often,

4 there is applied a cookie-cutter formula for all

5 of the boroughs.

6 We are not that. We are very unique. And I

7 need for that to be considered and a part of the

8 discussion. And when we get to the specifics, I

9 will be pushing that. I am asking the Commission

10 to recognize the relatively small size of our

11 population in comparison to the other boroughs,

12 combined with our geographic factors has created

13 unique problems in transportation, environment,

14 economic development and the delivery of

15 municipal services.

16 In one sense, there's a broad community of

17 interest across Staten Island about these issues.

18 However, Staten Island also has nearly

19 innumerable small neighborhoods, many of only a

20 few blocks, each with very individual communities

21 of interest -- (timer dings) -- and some are very

22 well-established, old communities, and some are

23 very newly-emerging communities. I am asking you

24 to keep these neighborhoods in the forefront of

25 your consideration as you try to balance the

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1 population changes with identifiable communities

2 of interest.

3 Thank you for your hard work and as the work

4 of the Commission continues, I am looking

5 forward -- not only looking forward, I will

6 continue to have input from Staten Island. I am

7 encouraging to have input from Staten Islanders

8 and I continue to be a loud voice in this

9 process. Thank you.

10 MR. HACKWORTH: Our next speaker is

11 Dr. Mohammad Khalid, to be followed by James

12 Ditzian.

13 DR. KHALID: Honorable Chairman, members of

14 the Redistricting Commission, thank you for

15 holding the public hearing on Staten Island. I

16 want to thank Mayor Bloomberg and other officials

17 for appointing you as distinguished members of

18 the Commission.

19 Mr. Chairman, my name is Dr. Mohammad

20 Khalid. I represent two large civic associations

21 of Staten Island as the president. These

22 associations are the Iron Hills Civic Association

23 and the Pakistani Civic Association of Staten

24 Island. I am proud to say that our membership in

25 these two associations runs in thousands. We are

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1 very much in favor of the redistricting of 51

2 council districts. There is no doubt that there

3 is a change in population. In all these

4 districts, we must follow the mandates

5 established by the federal government.

6 As previously mentioned in the press, Staten

7 Island council will lose part of the Brooklyn in

8 some of these districts. I think losing part of

9 Brooklyn as a district will not make a

10 difference, because it was a small attachment to

11 Staten Island anyway.

12 As a Staten Islander, I feel that

13 Brooklynites are neighborhood and close friends

14 played a major role in making Staten Island grow

15 faster, as hundreds and thousands of them moved

16 to Staten Island and made their home and

17 businesses here. I have no doubt that our

18 neighbors in Brooklyn can easily manage their

19 affairs with their own Council delegates without

20 our help.

21 Currently, Staten Island is the most fastest

22 growing county in the state. People from

23 everywhere are moving to Staten Island as this is

24 the most safest borough to raise family. We have

25 great schools, parks, senior centers and

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1 hospitals who can take care of our residents.

2 Mr. Chairman, regarding the press reports in

3 Staten Island, of our current delegation, City

4 Council has no objection in losing part of

5 Brooklyn as a district. As a community leader of

6 Staten Island, I do support our councilmembers

7 for their input in this matter.

8 I think this new change for three Council

9 Districts of Staten Island will work in

10 uniformity for the people of Staten Island. As a

11 member of Staten Island community for the last 40

12 years, I think we are moving in the right

13 direction. These changes with the three district

14 councils for Staten Island only will definitely

15 make Staten Island more desirable place to live

16 for our current and future residents.

17 Mr. Chairman, lastly, I want to say that the

18 redistricting will certainly help our borough,

19 but I want to make sure that we are not

20 shortchanged with our budget, Staten Island has a

21 very famous name called "the forgotten borough."

22 Mr. Chairman, thank you for giving me the

23 opportunity to speak before you.

24 MR. ROMANO: I want to acknowledge, before

25 we hear the next speaker, Commissioner Justin Yu.

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1 MR. HACKWORTH: Our next speaker is James

2 Ditzian, to be followed by Jennifer

3 Gray-Brumstein.

4 MR. DITZIAN: To the members, I have

5 prepared a few words on how redistricting will

6 effect voting rights in New Dorp. I have lived

7 there since 2005. I was voting at Staten Island

8 Tech High School located at --

9 MR. ROMANO: Mr. Ditzian, do you know what

10 district that's in?

11 MR. DITZIAN: I do not.

12 VOICE FROM AUDIENCE: 50.

13 MR. DITZIAN: Okay, 50. I didn't do all the

14 research I needed to do. I was voting at Staten

15 Island Tech High School, located at 485 Clarkson

16 Avenue within New Dorp. Without a car, it was a

17 short, direct walk from my home. In the 2012

18 redistricting, I was reassigned to PS 23, which

19 is located at 30 Natick Street in Richmondtown.

20 This is a much longer walk and it is not direct,

21 as there are streets that are cut off from New

22 Dorp walking in that discretion.

23 The entrance used for voting is at 90

24 Maplewood Avenue. I didn't know where Maplewood

25 Avenue was. I had to Google it and find it on a

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1 map. It is more than a mile and a half from my

2 home and it is the opposite discretion from my

3 work location in Lower Manhattan.

4 I believe this was a wrong move, because it

5 may lead to voter suppression. The elderly and

6 infirm will not be able to make the walk under

7 the best of conditions. Last year, there was a

8 mild snowstorm which left several inches of snow

9 on the ground less than a week before election

10 day.

11 Without the change, the only way for the

12 elderly and infirm to go vote will be relying on

13 the S74 bus to drop them off at Wilder Avenue and

14 Richmond Road, which will still leave a

15 four-and-a-half-block walk. If they can't afford

16 the bus fare, they did not bother to go vote at

17 all.

18 The only alternative is to be informed ahead

19 of time and request an absentee ballot. Again,

20 that is if they are well-informed prior to

21 election day. Thank you for your time.

22 MR. HACKWORTH: Our next speaker will be

23 Jennifer Gray-Brumstein, which will be followed

24 by Charlie LaGanga.

25 MS. GRAY-BRUMSTEIN: Good evening, ladies

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1 and gentlemen. I want to take this time as a

2 supporter from the West Side for Liberia for

3 giving me the opportunity to stand and address

4 this Commission. The last time we had a

5 demographic like this was ten years ago. A lot

6 has changed on the North Shore of Staten Island.

7 My concern is the 49th District.

8 Based on the Census report, that district

9 was unaccounted. Certain districts grew by

10 11 percent. I don't know if one of you of you in

11 the last three months ever walked down Park Hill

12 or Stapleton. You will see that the faces of

13 Park Hill and Stapleton demographic has changed.

14 Of five people, of those five people, four of

15 them will be African. Of the voting base in Park

16 Hill, even you come to five people, three of

17 those people will be Africans.

18 So, my concern here is, resources and

19 services to Park Hill, being that that district

20 was unaccounted, the resources and services in

21 the needs of those people will not be served. I

22 am appealing to this Commission here today to see

23 how we can recount that district, because it was

24 very uncounted, especially Park Hill.

25 I take, for example, 55 Boyd. You have 156

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1 apartments in that building. And as immigrants,

2 we have our brothers, we have our sisters. We

3 have our extended relatives. In a two-bedroom

4 apartment, you are going to find five or six

5 persons or over ten persons in one apartment. If

6 the Census were to count the people in 55 alone,

7 you will see what I am talking about. The people

8 in the 49th District was unaccounted in the

9 Census.

10 However, I also want to thank the Census for

11 taking the initiative. A point where we started

12 and I think 24 Commission can do a little more so

13 the 49th District can be served. If we go back

14 and count that district, if not possible, you

15 won't only have three districts. By the time you

16 finish counting the people in the 49th District,

17 especially, Stapleton and Park Hill, you may have

18 a fourth district.

19 So, thank you and I look forward to sending

20 more information electronically so that that

21 district can be served properly. But it was

22 grossly unaccounted as a result. The 11 percent,

23 if you were to go back and count, you maybe have

24 22 percent increase, because we have a huge

25 inflow of African immigrants towards the North

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1 Shore area, and they are being underserved.

2 Thank you.

3 MR. ROMANO: Thank you.

4 MR. HACKWORTH: Our next speaker is Charlie

5 LaGanga which will be followed by Marcus Marino.

6 MR. LAGANGA: My name is Charlie LaGanga. I

7 have been a community activist here on Staten

8 Island for 50 years, quality-of-life issues, both

9 on the charitable community and political side.

10 I go all the way back to 1959, when I campaigned

11 for Al Maniscalco, a great borough president. We

12 used to call him "Uncle Al."

13 And as you can see here tonight, the

14 aspirations and the hope that these wonderful men

15 and women who came before, our great

16 councilwoman, and this woman from the North

17 Shore -- I am from Mid-Island -- and I have seen

18 when I go to Curtis High School on the North

19 Shore and I give a scholarship out, or my Public

20 School 11 Dongan Hills in Mid-Island, I see the

21 pride that the children, the educators take in

22 their areas, in their neighborhoods, in their

23 streets.

24 And I have seen Staten Island grow

25 tremendously over a half a million people. And I

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1 can remember sitting in John Marchi's office, our

2 great senator, when that the great senator wanted

3 to secede, and in retrospect, how that would have

4 happened to Staten Island.

5 We are here tonight and that is what I am

6 all about. We are here tonight for the

7 education, to educate our children, to educate

8 the young people, to educate Wagner College,

9 College of Staten Island, to let them learn about

10 the politics, to let them learn it's a good thing

11 to do. Change is a great thing.

12 I would like to see the community,

13 Mid-Island, North Shore -- North Shore, Debi is

14 getting the new district now, expanding, South

15 Shore -- work within their areas. I can remember

16 when I was campaigning with politicians and

17 councilmen and state senators. We used to go to

18 Brooklyn, small little area in Brooklyn, and then

19 come back to Staten Island the same day, the same

20 night, and we missed one priority meeting.

21 We missed one forum. If we keep our

22 districts within the realm of our hope and --

23 (timer dings) -- have the education of our

24 children, that's what I feel. And I will go away

25 with that today. Thank you so very much for

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1 giving me the privilege of speaking before you,

2 Mr. Chairman and members. Thank you.

3 MR. ROMANO: Thank you.

4 MR. HACKWORTH: The final registered speaker

5 is Marcus Marino.

6 MR. MARINO: Good evening, everyone. My

7 name is Marcus Marino. I am an architect with

8 offices in New York City and a resident of both

9 the existing and proposed District 50. I would

10 like to point two basic things out to you. The

11 first is districts in the Bronx, 14 versus 16,

12 Brooklyn, 33 versus 34, 35, I believe, and in

13 Manhattan, 4, versus Districts 2 and possibly 5,

14 appear to be what is commonly called jigsaw

15 pieces, which also is commonly referred to our

16 appears as gerrymandering.

17 And I think as a commission, your primary

18 goal should be to avoid that at all costs and

19 avoid the appearance of it at all costs, because

20 it harms the very nature of our democracy when

21 the citizens see governments acting in the best

22 interest of people other than the general

23 citizenry.

24 The second issue I would like to bring up is

25 closer to Staten Island. And that is, if you

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1 look at the numbers, and I did very briefly

2 tonight, it appears that, of the three districts

3 of Staten Island, there are only four districts

4 in the entire city that have less population than

5 the proposed 50th. And yet, there are 14

6 districts with population greater than the

7 proposed 49th.

8 The 49th has a piece of Brooklyn. To try to

9 keep districts contiguous in communities and

10 neighborhoods is very important. Obviously,

11 boroughs is even more important, especially to

12 that of Staten Island, which is an island and has

13 a very much island-all philosophy among its

14 people.

15 We know, throughout the city, we are a city

16 of neighborhoods. Staten Island is more so a

17 city of a borough as opposed to individual

18 neighborhoods. I think if you look at the

19 statistics and the numbers, it should not be able

20 to contract the 49th to within the borders of

21 Staten Island and readjust the borders of the

22 49th and the 50th to be able to accommodate all

23 of your other goals. Thank you.

24 MR. ROMANO: Thank you. Let me acknowledge

25 that commissioner Thomas Ognibene has just

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1 arrived and joined us. That concludes those

2 speakers who preregistered. If anyone else would

3 like to speak?

4 MR. HACKWORTH: Our next speaker will be

5 Helen Settles.

6 MS. SETTLES: Good evening ladies and

7 gentlemen, Commissioners. My name is Helen

8 Settles. I am an officer with the Staten Island

9 branch of the NAACP. I am a former educator and

10 community activist on Staten Island.

11 The thing that concerned me tonight, first

12 of all, is that this hearing started at 5:00.

13 Most people are not getting off work until 6:00

14 to 7:00. That's a major concern with me. Also,

15 the 49th Councilmanic District is of utmost

16 concern to me because that's where I live.

17 It is diverse. It does not need to be

18 piecemealed in any way, or, keep it intact. As

19 Jennifer testified before, it was grossly

20 undercounted. I live in Stapleton. I know. I

21 see the people who have lived there, who have

22 come there, and who have come here, say, within

23 the last ten years and how much it has grown and

24 how much it has been undercounted.

25 I live on Targee Street, the upper part near

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1 Van Duzer. I have just been informed I have to

2 go all the way up to Victory Boulevard, 700

3 Victory Boulevard, to now vote. They have taken

4 my area, the 11th. It used to be the 11th DC.

5 Now I am in the 50th-something, of the 61st, and

6 they have divided that.

7 They have a lot of elderly people, a lot of

8 disabled people who are not going to be able to

9 make that progression up the hill, because we are

10 talking about, and first of all, the bus

11 transportation. If they even want to get to 700

12 Victory Boulevard, the busing, they absolutely

13 redirected busing. There is no more 60. It goes

14 up Grymes Hill. It's now the 66th.

15 So, to come from Stapleton, they have to

16 take a bus down Bay Street, transfer to a bus to

17 take the bus to Victory Boulevard. That's two

18 buses just to get to go vote, whereas they used

19 to walk down the street. So, that's one thing.

20 That's a concern to me, since I am very active in

21 my community.

22 The other thing is just making sure that the

23 North Shore, particularly the 49th, is kept

24 intact, as far as the councilmanic lines are

25 drawn, because we need more service. If the

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1 district is cut and meandered as you are

2 suggesting here, instead of keeping it intact,

3 then the resources that are available is going to

4 be even less.

5 So, I am asking as a former educator on this

6 island for 36 years and servicing many different

7 populations of children, asking that we keep it

8 intact, and also, that you look at, when you draw

9 these lines, think about the constituents that

10 live in this area and how it is going to be very

11 difficult for them to even exercise their right

12 to vote. Thank you.

13 MR. ROMANO: Ms. Settles, can I ask you, the

14 map that you are referring to, those are the

15 existing lines?

16 MS. SETTLES: No, no, I am saying don't

17 change them. If you are thinking about

18 gerrymandering the district, I am saying keep

19 them intact. Do not change them. Thank you.

20 MR. ROMANO: Is there anyone else who would

21 like to address the Commission?

22 MS. BROWN: I didn't fill out the card.

23 MR. ROMANO: You can just spell your name.

24 MS. BROWN: M-A-R-Y-L-I-N, and my last name

25 is Brown. And I am here wearing two hats. I am,

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1 first, an educator. So, I am an educator on the

2 North Shore in the 49th District. I also serve

3 as a Community Board 1 who serves as chair.

4 And just to reiterate what

5 Ms. Gray-Brumstein said, we need to keep the 49th

6 District exactly the way it is. I have been

7 doing research with regards opening a new high

8 school, and I found that all, but three schools

9 on the North Shore are mostly populated not only

10 with the Liberian community, but Hispanics. And

11 everything that Ms. Brumstein said, also

12 transfers over to the Latino population. That's

13 one.

14 Two, in the last ten years, and as a child

15 who was educated on the North Shore in the 49th

16 District, yes, we have dropped the ball a little

17 bit. But now, we are just becoming a village now

18 and if you change the district lines, you are

19 going to ruin that. Those of us who grew up in a

20 lowsocioeconomic background, single-family

21 household, we are grown up now. That would be

22 me. And we are reinstating the village capacity.

23 And if you change that, you are going to ruin

24 everything.

25 It's just building up now. There is lots of

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1 us who live here, who work here, and want to see

2 it get better here. But to change the dynamics

3 right now, when it's just starting to balance

4 out, you are going to make a negative impact on

5 student education.

6 The parents are starting to trust people,

7 trust their neighbors, trust their councilperson.

8 Really, she's really an important person in our

9 community, not because she's Debi Rose,

10 councilwoman, but I am going to tell you, I knew

11 her when she was doing the town choir and I was a

12 little girl just listening, who is this crazy

13 woman walking around with all this information?

14 But that's me now. And I learned that from

15 her and I am teaching our kids to do that now.

16 But if you take that away with the rezoning of

17 lines of neighborhoods you see here and there,

18 it's not just a neighborhood. It's a family now.

19 So, we need that. And our way of life right

20 now, when our kids are dealing with a lot more

21 than they should be at their age, a lot more than

22 I had to deal with, and I think you know this,

23 Ms. Hanks, because we all grew up together, you

24 know we are trying to get that back. We lost a

25 little bit, but we are not trying to lose

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1 anymore. So, in you change the lines, we are

2 going to lose. Our economy can't afford for us

3 to lose. That's all I have to say.

4 MR. ROMANO: Ben, thank you. We are going

5 to adjourn for 20 minutes and then reconvene

6 before we adjourn for the evening.

7 MR. HACKWORTH: If anyone else would like to

8 speak, please register at the desk. We will be

9 back in 20 minutes.

10 (Whereupon, at 5:55 p.m., a recess was

11 taken.)

12 (Whereupon, at 6:16 p.m., the proceedings

13 resumed.)

14 MR. ROMANO: It appears that no one else has

15 registered to speak to the Commission, so we will

16 adjourn until our next meeting tomorrow in

17 Queens. The staff will remain at this location

18 until 8:00 in case there are any other persons

19 who have come late who have submissions they

20 would like to make to the Commission. The staff

21 will be here to receive those submissions.

22 Without any further business, we stand adjourned

23 until tomorrow.

24 (Brief pause.)

25 The Commissioners have agreed to stay for a

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1 half-hour, 45 minutes, an hour or so in the hopes

2 that will there be another speaker who comes

3 forward from the community to address us. In

4 that time frame, some of us may withdraw, but

5 others will remain for that period of time.

6 We appear to have another speaker, Edward

7 Josey, the Staten Island branch of the NAACP.

8 MR. JOSEY: Good evening. I have a written

9 statement here. It says -- can you hear me?

10 MR. ROMANO: Yes.

11 MR. JOSEY: Redistricting Commission

12 Hearing, Borough Hall, Richmond Terrace, Staten

13 Island, New York 10301, topic, redrawing City

14 Council lines for the Borough of Staten Island.

15 Staten Island currently has three Council

16 districts, 49th District, which is North Shore,

17 the 50th District, which is Mid-Island and a

18 portion of Brooklyn, and the 51th portion, South

19 Shore, Staten Island.

20 But possibly Mid-Island standing alone,

21 losing a part of Brooklyn is a good idea. Every

22 ten years, we have a Census count that tells us

23 the increase and decrease in population in our

24 communities. According to the laws, the voting

25 lines, the district lines, federal, state or

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1 local, should be drawn to give all communities

2 equal population and voting strength.

3 I am a long-time resident of Staten Island

4 and I have voted every time since I have been of

5 age. I often wondered if the concept has served

6 the African-American community. It is my

7 understanding that the 49th District, which is

8 the largest African-American population in Staten

9 Island, is slated to lose 10,000 people due to

10 the increase in population.

11 According to the Voting Rights Act of the

12 Constitution, preserving the racial strength is

13 important to the districts and should not be

14 diluted. I am speaking in terms of maintaining

15 of the strongest possible African American vote

16 possible. I asking you to remove any of the --

17 do not remove any African-American streets,

18 blocks or communities from the 49th District.

19 You have a difficult task, but it's

20 something you must do, because 10,000 possible

21 people are leaving this 49th District. So, do

22 what you can to keep the African-American

23 community intact. Thank you.

24 MR. ROMANO: Thank you, Mr. Josey. Is there

25 anyone else who would like to address the

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1 Commission?

2 MR. JERMAINE: Hi, how are you guys doing?

3 My name is Saint Jermaine. Thank you. You guys

4 are doing an outstanding job. We like this

5 forum, the public hearing forum where people can

6 come and give testimony. I know we have some

7 concerned citizens here and not all districting

8 commissions do that. So, I don't think there is

9 much to say. I think you guys are pretty much

10 working with the Census numbers.

11 MR. ROMANO: Mr. Jermaine, what district do

12 you reside in or are most concerned with?

13 MR. JERMAINE: I live in the 49th District,

14 but I am concerned about the entire island. I

15 think that, you know, if you didn't use the

16 Census numbers or if there was another count,

17 then maybe there would be room for a fourth

18 district or something. I don't know exactly, so

19 I am not going to say that definitively.

20 But I think that this island is drastically

21 undercounted, and I think we need to just do as

22 much as possible to keep the communities

23 together. I know we are going to move the 50th

24 District into Staten Island, make that only a

25 Staten Island district. I think that's a smart

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1 move. Beyond that, I'm not sure how much you can

2 do, given the Census numbers. But just do as

3 much as possible to keep those communities

4 intact. And I think you guys are doing a good

5 job so far. That's about it.

6 MR. ROMANO: Thank you. We have another

7 registered speaker, which I would like to call up

8 to the podium, Marjorie Garvin.

9 MS. GARVINE: Good afternoon. My name is

10 Marjorie Garvine and I work very hard in the

11 Staten Island community. We are devoted to

12 registration and education. And I feel you

13 should please try to help deep the way it is and

14 not do anything, because I do have a number of

15 people going out to vote and I would like to see

16 that continue to happen, and to keep the district

17 the way it is and make no changes.

18 MR. ROMANO: Ms. Garvine, which district is

19 yours?

20 MS. GARVINE: The 49th.

21 MR. ROMANO: Thank you. We have an

22 additional speaker, Michelle Akyempong.

23 MS. AKYEMPONG: Close enough. It's Michelle

24 Akyempong. Good evening. My name is Michelle

25 Akyempong. I am the democratic county secretary,

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1 as well as a community activist in my community

2 and I reside in the 49th District. And according

3 to this, the current City Council district, the

4 49th, there has been a development of over 10,000

5 residents there. And we would like you to know

6 that it is very diverse.

7 And this would affect the African Americans

8 that live in this district. So, we are urging

9 you to keep this district as it is. We have the

10 most growth here compared to others, especially

11 Staten Island. So, we would like to you keep

12 that councilmanic district. We are urging you to

13 do so.

14 We have many voters there. People will be

15 affected by it. We are just trying to galvanize

16 them together now. I know it doesn't mean that

17 much to you, but to us, it means a lot in Staten

18 Island to have the African American vote there.

19 So, we are asking that you really, just look at

20 it and do not take away the lines that we

21 currently have, and to keep the 349th

22 councilmanic district. Thank you.

23 MR. ROMANO: Thank you.

24 MR. HACKWORTH: Our next speaker is Dora

25 Berksteiner. While we are waiting for her, we

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1 can call Clara Ogburn. First we have Dora

2 Berksteiner.

3 MS. BERKSTEINER: Yes. Good evening,

4 everyone. Thank you for the opportunity for

5 letting me speak this evening. I was looking at

6 the chart and I was trying to understand exactly

7 why they would redistrict. And so, I get it. We

8 are 10,000 above the means. So, you are supposed

9 to have at least 160,000 people in that section,

10 and we are over, because we are populating fast.

11 We are growing fast on the North Shore.

12 My concern is this. Where will you be

13 pulling the people out from? Because if you are

14 taking them like they did with assembly, if you

15 are taking out the portion of Mariners Harbor and

16 Arlington, then we will be forgotten. If we have

17 to redistrict, I think it would be best that we

18 start from near Fort Wadsworth, in that area,

19 because in that area, they won't be forgotten.

20 It's closer to Oddo's district, closer to

21 his people -- not "his people" in that way --

22 closest to his district, whereas the end of

23 Staten Island, we are almost like a forgotten

24 portion of the borough anyway. So, to me, I

25 would think it would make more sense if you would

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1 just work around the lines of Bay Street, the

2 tip, where Fort Wadsworth is, and Rosebank. And

3 then this way, we will still have a fair

4 representation.

5 Because I am telling you, when we get

6 redistricted like we did with the assembly, we

7 are forgotten. Mariners Harbor is one of the

8 parts of Staten Island that is forgotten. And we

9 will be forgotten.

10 So, I just hope you take that into account

11 when you are making these decisions and that you

12 just keep in mind that we don't want to be any

13 further discounted than we are already, okay?

14 So, I want to thank you for the time and

15 opportunity and again, please take that into

16 consideration.

17 MR. ROMANO: Thank you.

18 MR. HACKWORTH: Next, we have Clara Ogburn.

19 MS. OGBURN: Okay. Good evening, everybody.

20 I am basically going to be redundant to what Dora

21 just basically said. Our main concern is not to

22 see certain portions of this community weakened.

23 And from the looks of it, and as so often in

24 terms of anything that goes down the pike, is the

25 areas of Arlington and Mariners Harbor and

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1 anything going from, I would say, the Bayonne

2 Bridge over towards the Goethals.

3 I would like some, I guess, further

4 clarification in how did you really do determine

5 which areas you are going to redistrict or put

6 into another area, okay? And I see everyone

7 looking at me, like, "What is she saying?" But,

8 if you can sort of clarify that for me, I really

9 need that, because a lot of people, neighbors and

10 friends who aren't able to be here this evening

11 would like some clarification on it so that we

12 don't feel picked on, so to speak, and thought of

13 as being readily eliminated and put aside.

14 I think with the Census in 2010, I hope

15 there was a large enough response from the

16 community so that everyone could be counted, you

17 know, and services that continued to be

18 eliminated and downgraded for us. Arlington

19 Apartments, as you know, has a very high crime

20 rate. There's a large population of people

21 living there, which warrants a security of that

22 whole community alone. So, I thank you.

23 MR. ROMANO: Thank you.

24 MR. HACKWORTH: Are there any other speakers

25 in the room who wish to testify? Does anyone

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1 know of anyone on their way to testify?

2 MR. ROMANO: The Commission stands adjourned

3 until its meeting tomorrow. The staff will

4 remain behind until 8:00 to greet any speakers

5 who come in late, take their written submissions

6 and arrange to meet with them if that becomes

7 necessary. We stand adjourned.

8 (Whereupon, at 7:15 p.m., the above matter

9 was concluded.)

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11 I, JOSHUA B. EDWARDS, a Notary Public for

12 and within the State of New York, do hereby

13 certify that the above is a correct transcription

14 of my stenographic notes.

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