Proceedings of the House of Assembly
During the Fifth Session
of the
Thirtieth General Assembly
of Newfoundland 1 955
Volume 11
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During the Fifth Session of the Thirtieth General Assembly of Newfoundland
WEDNELSDAY, April 20, 1955 Presenting Reports of StandLng and Select Committees The House met at 11:00 of the clock in the forenoon, pursuant to adjourn None. ment. Giving Notice of Motion and Presenting Petitions Questions
MR. DROVER: Mr. Speaker, I beg None, leave to present a petition from ·the people of Pumbley Cove, Pound Cove, Seal Cove, Westport and Western Answers to Questions Ann. T,hese people are requesting Question No. 46: In course of cheaper hospitalization and more ade preparation. quate hospital facilities in the District of White Bay. This is a follow-up of Question No. 40: many .peti-tiions already presented to this House by me. The people pre HON. W. J. KEOUGH (Minister of senting them those names are on the F1isheries and Co-operatives) : Mr. petitions are rfishermen and loggers, Speaker, I 'beg leave to tacble the an and all are in the low-income bracket. swer to Question No. 40, Order Paper of April 13. I am sending the Hon I do know, Mr. Speaker, that this ourable Leader of the Opposi,tion request is not unreasonacble. I have across an a:dd.itiona,1 copy. I would great pleasure in supporting the pray appreciate it if he passed it to the er of ·rhe petition and asking that it honourable member for S't. John's be tacbled in vhe House and foriwarded West, because fhat covers a question to ,the department concerned. directed by the honourable member to On motion pebition tabled for ref me last night. That is seotion 3 of the erence to the department concerned. question. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 909
QUESTION (3)-Ta!ble report show than dollars are given prime considera ing work performed by rhe Co-opera ~ion. Consequently the success of the ~ive Division of Uhe Fisheries Depart movement depends by and large upon ment. the enlightenment of the people. How ever, maximum enlightenment is not .-~NSWER : The Co-operative Divi alway possible through constitutional sion oJ the Department of Fisheries memJbership meetings or ,large group and Co-operatives comprises two sub meetings regardless of how often they divisions-the Registry and ,t,he Exten may be held. Some other means there sion Division. Attached is a Report in fore must be introduced whereby the b11ief of the activity of each for the majority of individual,s can benefit period April 1st, 1954 to March 31st, most by partioipation in study and dis 1955. cussion of the co-operative movement in general and then lorn! co-operative Activity of Co-operative Extension problems in particular. The best Division proven means so far devised is the Period Ending March 31st, 1955 study club or small group discussion. Akhough organized from the co-opera The work of the Division is being tive membership, ~hese study clubs are carried on by an aotJing Director and not restricted to that any more than ten fieldworkers. co-operative -topics are discussed exclu Each year's work begins with a sively. It is a means of airing com fieldstaff conference at which matters munity prdblems as well. pertaining to the Co-operative Move The extension staff has assisted in ment in Newfoundland are reviewed the org·anization and operation of 150 and discussed and plans made for a such groups as part of the winter pro continuing programme. gramme. Material to be used as the At Uhe last such conference held at basis for discussion has been prepared St. John's during the week beginning in book,let form, sixteen hundred cop September 6th the following siix point ies of which, have been distributed programme was adopted. throughout the Province. 1. Concentrated effort on educa In order Uhat the staff might /be tional activity primarily through better qualified to engage in this type study groups or group discussion. of activity, a short course in the tech 2. Regional conference of Co-opera niques of group discussion and proper tive Societies. use of film was held in November 3. Management training classes. last, under the joint dfrection of Dr. 4. Credit Union book-keeping in Florence O'Neill, Director of Adult struction. Education and Mr. Ben Drew of the 5. Special community and regional National Film Board. projects. 2, Regional Conferences G. Routine fieldwork. Groups as well as individuals have I. Educational Activities mutual problems. Also they have di The co-operative movement consists vers1fied experiences to share and of associations in which people rather many ideas to exchange. Realizing 910 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS this and also being conscious of the Another very practical result of the need for Gloser co-operation ,between classes has been that at least fifteen co-opera.ti1ves, regiona•l cornferences of manag·ers, having become conscious of co-operative organizations have been the need for ·fur~her training are included as part of the extension pro presently tacking a correspondence gramme. course in co-operative accounting pro vided by the British Columbia Depart Five such conferences 'have been ment of Education through the New held since October ,last al St. Anthony, foundland Co-operative Union. Four Joe Batt's Arm, Merasheen, Little others have enrolled with I.A.S. corres Pamdise and Grole. The Divi6ion ac pondence school in courses of ad'Va.nced tively promoted these conferences. book-keeping and accountancy. In Members of the staff have assisted ,i-n each case the expenses of these courses the preliminary organization work and are bourne ,by the various societies. in each instance one or more sta,££ personnel have been present to guide the work of such conferences. These 4. Credit Union Book-keeping conferences have been successful in thaJt Instruction consolidation of th Movement on re In order that credit unions may gi(l'llal basis through inter-group buy have a choice of treasurers and in or ing and marketing .has resulted. der that at least some members might become qualified to act on supervisory 3. Management Training Courses or audit committees, the Division felt it was necessary and desirable to in The Extens,ion Division sponsored troduce a course of instruction •in two trnining courses for managers of credit union book-keeping. Lesson co-operative societies during the year, plans and outlines ha.ve ·been prepared one at Corner Brook in December and by the Division but each society pro another ;it St. John'.~ in Fehrnary. In vides the book-keeping requirements this project Vhe Division had the out of its educational fund. Two assistance of the Newfoundland Co classes are 'held each week over an operative Union. eight week period. Members of the These courses were divided into Siix staff assist in the ·organization of these sections namely, Management, Book courses but generally do not ,give the keeping and Accounting, Co-operative ins~ru,ctnon. T,his is done by the so Legislation, Co-operative Education, ciety's own T1·easurer with some as Business Correspondence and General sistance provided 1by the Division. Discussions. Ten such courses involving some Each course lasted eight days and seventy credit union members are was we11 attended. Although not, and presently in progress. not intended to be, the complete an swer to the need for management 5. Special Community and Regional Lraining, Lhe classes did fill a long fell Projects need. That they were successful is evidenoed by the many favoura'ble From time to time tbe Division is comments and requests vhat they be called upon to assist in special com continued, which are on file at the munity projects pertaining to the co Department. operative in the community. This HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 911 usually involves a series of specially Lhe area .from St. Anthony South to planned meetings and' study groups Englee which includes six marketing lasting from two weeks to a month groups. During the past two years during whi·ch -time a member or mem competition in certain parts of the bers of the staff are assigned to the area has been very keen. However, particular job. due to conce~Hrated field work, which culminated in a regional conference, Regional projects are given special the groups concerned are approaching attention where evidence points to this season's operation with greater wards the necessity of centralized or evi'Clence of consolidated .effort than amalgamated operations. Such projects ever before. usually call for the preparation of ap propriate study material which has 6. Routine Field Assistance local application. This in ·turn calls Apart from any general programme for the organization of series of study which may be adopted and -imple dubs and mass meetings. One ex mented the Division through the field ample of this type of activity may be found along the nor.thwest coast lob sta.ff is constantly receiving requests for special and additional assistance. Pro ster area. Here five lobster pools, in volving some one thousand fishermen v,iding speakers for meetings, assiMing and over one and one-quarter million boards, committees, managers and treasurers all come w,i,thin this category. pounds production are being assisted in a move towards centralization of Assistance in organization and prepara marketi.ng operations. Lack of proper tion for registration is also provided co-ordi,nated effort with its subsequent by the field staff and during the )'ear economic disadvantages makes this eighteen societies were so prepared. step inevitable. With the help of the Division of Another e~ample exists in the Straits Audio-Visual Education, three pieces of where the producer and consumer fi.lm equipment have ,been made avail activity of apprmdmately ~hree hun able to the Division along with four dred fis·he1°men of a dozen small com teen co-operative films and many munities is centred at Flowers Cove. otihers of a general nature. In the early days of deve,lopment in Each member of the staff has re this area, although ot,her consumer ceived training in the care and opera activity was centralized, the Credit t,ion of the film equipment and uses it Union movement was quite decentra in his work wi·th co-operative groups lized with six of them being set up in but does not confine himself ·to co the larger communities. Amalgama operatives. It is not unusual to ,find a tion of these into one central credit field man r·unning a fi.lm showing for union situated at the centra'I point of school children and various community other co-operative activity has been organizations. Seventy,five f.ilm show affected. ings have b een reported during the winter. St. Anthony Activity Report of Registry The Grenfell Memorial Co-operative April 1st, 1954 to March 31st, 1955 Society at St. Anthony has for many years •been Vhe marketing agency for The nonnal staff of the Registry of the bulk of the salmon production in Co-operatives consists of a Registrar, 912 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS six Inspectors, one Registry Clerk and Department of FisheTies and Co-opera one stenographer. tives, much concerned over this situa tion, studied ways and means during Early in Uhe fiscal year the Registrar 1949 to 1950 to provide low cost homes ~u ffered a serious ,illness and is still for owner occupancy. away from work. During the year the Registry Clerk and two Inspectors Il-eginning in the Autumn of 1950 transferred to other Departments and housing study groups were organized one Inspector was appointed as Acting and the search .for a satisfactory hous Registrar. Just prior to this the or ing scheme brought results by late 1952 ganizer of Co-operative Housi·ng re following negotiations between rhe signed. and' the whole work load of the Government of Newfoundland and Registry plus organization and super Central Mortgage and Housing Cor vision of Co-operative Housing was poration. Under the arrangement carried. by an Acting Registrar, two worked out the Government undertook experienced Inspectors, two new In to advance temporary assistance loans spectors, a new Registry Clerk and an to registered housing co-operative experienced stenographer who was a societies to cover the cost of land and tower of strength in ,the routine work const11uction materials. C.M.H.C. agreed of the Registry. Lo taike over the are executed with C.M.H.C., the Gov with land, represent housing to the ernment repaid, and the Society is value of $985,587. wound up. Share capital contributions by mem bers have reached $123,121, while ad Fiuancing through sta1,ter funds by vances from Government amount fo Government and progress payments $671,744 of which $124,290 has veen by C.M.H.A., is done through the De repaid. Each member receives credit partment of Municipal A,ffairs to for his work at the rate of $1.00 per whom applicatfons for financial assist hour and labour pe11formed amounts ance a,re directed under enaJbling ,leg·is to over $147,045. lation provided in the Slum Clearance Act. As soon as ,possible after organ In addition to the above, a contin ization societies are required to fur uing type of Society, the -ten year old nish Dhis Department with information Humber Housing Co-operative Society to obtain credit rating and mortgage Ltd at Corne-r Brnok has 90 members. ability of each member. Following a 57 houses have been constructed by satisfactory report societies proceed to the S'ociety to date. Ownership is vest prepare for incorporation, procure ed in the Society which owns buildings land and compiile documents compris and land to ,the valne of $509,929 bnt ing formal application for Joan. 1 his members may receive fee simpie title application must have t11e approval of i,f they so desire when their obliga both the Department of Fisheries and tions are ,fu1£illed. Share Capital of Co-operatives and the Depa1rtment of the Society amounts to $404,499 and Municipal Affairs, and be accepted by its accounts payable total $104,856. Central Mortgage and Housing Cor During the past -ten years i-t has been poration. Temporary assistance loans assisted by the Government to the are for periods of two years and the amount of $3,000 per unit for a period interest 1,ate is the same as that of 20 years. charg·ecl under the National Housing With the completion of the projects Act, presently 5¼ %, under way the value of co-operative housing should reach the impressive So :far 134 people in 13 societies total of $2,000,000 while the value of have received assistance and Dhe pres projects contemplated should ap ent stage of construction varies from proach another $2,000,000. This build foundations laid to 19 completed ing activity requiring building sup houses. So carefully are costs worked plies, contract work for !basements, out that the houses are being com plumbing and electrical work has cre pleted well within the estimated price ated considerable employment i,n this by peoplle who in -the majority of in Province with more far reaching re stances had no previous consbruction sults than the ,provision of much experience. These 13 projects, at the needed homes in the various com present stage of construction together munities. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 915 Co-operative Housing Loans to February 28, 1955 Loans aJpproved for 13 Construction Type Societies ...... $ 964,160 Loans approved for Humber ...... - ······ ...... 153,297 $1,117,457 Loans taken to date (13) $671,744 Loans taken by Humlbe.r 1•53,297 725,041 Ba.Janee Undra•wn ...... ·-······ ·····.. ·•·· · ...... $ 392,416 Loans Repaid Edinburgh ...... _ ...... $ 64,200 Bloomfield ...... 60,290 $ 124,290 50,386 $ 174,676 Value of Projects to February 28/55 13 Construction ·type societies ...... 134 houses $ 985,588 Continuing type society (Humber) ...... 57 !houses 509,929 191 $1,495,517 HON. E S. SPENCER (Minister of medical and public health servioce in Public Works) : Mr. Speaker, I hap· White Bay. Now I should say in the pen to have some information jn reply first place since 1949, that is, since this to a question asked by the honourable Government came into power the Gov member for St. John's ·west, but I ernment have finaJnced the establish have not copies of -the reply. Inas ment of a nur•sing station, a.t Englee in much as the honourable member is Canada Bay in White Bay District. The not in his seat, I think I should defer Government have financed the opera the information uutil he oomes. tions of an additional medical boat in MR. SPEAKER: Unless the Hon· w·hite Bay, carrying a doctor or nurse ourable Leader of the Opposition or both. Thirdly the Government would like, the answer might wait. have made substantial ,contl'ibutions Are there any further Answers to towards the building of a sanatorium Questions? wing at St. Anthony Hospital. This MR. •M. M. HOLLETT (Leader of sanatorium wing serves vVhite Bay and -the Opposition) : I believe, Mr. part of St. Barbe District and also Speaker, there are still a ,few outstand Laibrador. The Government have also ing. I was hoping we might get them today. arranged and announced the construc tion of another nursing station, name HON. J. R. SMALLWOOD (Prime ly, at Rodclickton in this present year. Minister) : Mr. Speaker, before you call the Orders of the Day, there is a state Then again, since 1954, since last year, ment I wouild like to make to the ~he Government have 'been paying for House, it is in connection with tbe the services of a public hea!lth nurse at 916 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Baie Verte. Now this position was White Bay, we will construi:t this year former1ly paid by Bowaters. The post a snowmobile llain from Conche to had been vacant for a while. Roddickton, to provide for the people of Conche easier aci:ess, an easier Now lhese are services which the means of getting to the nursing station Government have already rendered in at Roddickton in the winter months. \Vhite Bay since we came into power, and taken together they constitute a T.hen again, continuing our public very great advance of what White Bay health p110gmmme in that part of our had before we came into power, a very province, we will assist the medical g-reat advance indeed. Our programme doctor at Baie Verte to ·travel much will continue, however. T1l1is is only a more extensively on the south side of beg·inning. We can say now today that White B,ay, 1by helping in the travelling we will build another nursing station expenses of his boat and in other ways. at Jackson's Arm, and I can announce today that we will build still another And finally, we will inaugurate this nuning station, a new nursing station, year, for this part of Newfoundland, a at LaScie. Then, Mr. Speaker, I am new pre-paid hospitalization scheme happy to announce something entirely for White Hay and for that pa-rt of St. new and almost revolutionary in the Barbe District which is not already public heaath matters in Newfound covered by hospital services. Let me land. That is to say, we wi'11 station make this clear. ,-ve will esta,blish this in St. Anthony an aircraft. We will year a pre-paid hospitalization scheme station it in S-t. Anthony, in the cus for White Bay and for that part of tody -and under the control of the In St. Banbe District •which is not already ternational Grenfell Association. And covered by 'hospi-t•aliw.tion, This ivill this ai1,craft 'Will be for two pui,poses, enable people in White Bay in that one to take a doctor out from St. part of St. Barbe Dist Orders of the Day Committee on Supply: Second Reading of Bill, "An Act to MR. SPEAKER: Leave was given Incorporate the Newfoundland Assoc yesterday that this Committee sit again iation of Archi,tects :" today. ,r do now leave the Chair. MR, COURAGE: Mr. Speaker, this Mr. Courage Chairman of Committee is a Bill to permit the architects of on Supply: Newfoundland to incorporate them selves into a Newfoundland Assooiation Department of Mines and Resources : of Architects. The purpose of the Bill VUI: is for the professional advancement of MR. CHAIRMAN: The Committee the architeots, This Bill .has come up was considering •thos item and I be before in the House, but owing to lieve the last clause was 805. pressure of business every square inch of the island, and mals, and probaibly the one we know contains over three thousand entries least a1bout. They were extremely on it, which is twice as much as was plentiful in other years but are ap ever on a previous map, and it indi pairently disappearing. lt is recom cates other information ,which will be mended that we do mme research available to a~l as soon as the Redistri there. butrion Bill has become an Act in this Under Beaver Pelts there is a large House, when the publication of that item of $50,000. That provides for the map will be proceeded wirh. possibiHty of an open season. I am A-erial ,photographs, these were pur• sure the Committee knows the beaver chased from the Federal Government. trapping activity is contrnlled by the Department of Mines and Resources. Then under Wild Life, Mr. Chafr The p,rocedut·e is that all sales are man, it will be seen that there is a made through the department. development item of $20,000. That item is to take care of a numlber of Mr, Chairman, I don't think there is items approved by the Government anybhing very ne-w insofar as general! emanating from the Report on Wild geological surveys are concerned. We Life made lby Dr. Ga1b1:ielson this year. have a provis.ion of some money there These projects are, a smvey of our for, amongst other things, a study of ptarmigans, long overdue, I might say, silicosis. in view of the importance of that to MR. HOLLETT: Under what item us ,both from the standpoint of food is that? and recreation and, for that matter, in come too. \Ve have engaged the serv DR. ROWE: Under 820-03-02. We ices of an outstanding soientist in this are carrying on some basic study in matter, who is even now rbeginnfog his silicosis . .~urvey. -It is estima-ted it will cost a1ho11t. $8,000. The Commit·tee will 1·e Our diamond dr.illing is not so rnember the survey of moose. We heavy, of course, as might reasonably have, in fact, more information on be expected. The reason for that is moose than that possessed by any other that so much of our land has been government on the face of the earth, leased out in the form of concessions. and that information is very valuable. The printing and photography show Dr. Galb'.delson recommended a similar some expansions. That has been en one on caribou which we begin this larged in the last yeair, and a new one year also, for which ,there is also a set up. It was actually not under way provision of $4;500 and a beginning on last year. ·we are beg.inning to take a survey of beaver. Our beaver are on more and more of rhe work that c1uite valuable, as ,the Committee was formerly farmed out. We have knows. Two years ago we opened the added some new machinery, and of season, and it is thought possible that course, some additiona,I staff. I would a season wi:11 be again declared open sugg~~t. Mr. Chairman, that if there this Fall. In the meant,ime we do in is any 'honourable gentleman here, and tend to do some d'Tastic research on I am sure there must be some, who beaver, such a vailualble part of the wild had not seen this division, shou'1d do life economy, and also the beginning so at ,the earliest date, because a la}' of a small survey on raibbits. Raibbits man could not hope to explain its are one of the most common of ani- working. It is a fascinating thing do- HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 919 ing a great deal of photographic work DR. ROWE: No, not a survey. I for nhe Government departments, probably did not maike it clear. That photographing such things as charts $50,000 is for the purpose of beaver I and maps and surveys and blueprint pelts. There is a compensating amount ~ ing. H is doing a good deal of photo under revenue. The sales are made gTaphic prrinting. A sample of the to the Department of Mines and Re work being done is that Report of the sources. That was the policy of the Wild ,Life, which I tabled here in the Commission of Government in order House some weeks ago. That was done Lo control it. entirely by our printing dtivision. I MR. HOLLETT : How ,is the policy think these are the salient items ,in the working out? remaining divisions of the department. I shall be glad to answer in detail DR. ROWE: It has been found questions which any honournble mem that it is the best way to control it. ber might wish to ask. In fact, as the Honourable the Prem ier has reminded me, it was done be MR. HOLLETT: I take ,it the suT fore Commission of Government. We veys will not be so extensive as •last have not heard any complaints aJbout year? For some reason or other you it. reduced the vote by eight thousand dollars. MR. HOLLETT: I can quite see, DR. ROWE : The real reason naturally, that the protection of beav there, Mr. Chairman, is the shortage ers should come under the Depart of staff. W'e have two vacancies there ment of Mines and Resources, Mr. and it .is very unlikely 'We will fill Chairman, but I am wondering ~f the them early this year. It is very dif disposal of the beaver pelts might not ficult to get technical staff here in be a1'lowed to be put in private hands? Newfoundland, competi~ion is so keen. MR. SMALLWOOD: The Govern That is the ,reason why. :If we had a ment purchase the pelts and put them full staff we would proba:hly be doing in the fur ma;rket through the Hud more. son Bay Company, or Canadian auc MR. HOLLETT : What par,t of the tion fur companies, and pay the trap terrain does ,the Honoura:b'1e Minister per according to whatever they get. survey, as we have NALCO and BRIINCO? MR. HOLLETT: The trapper benefits thereby more so than he DR. ROWE : These are Crown would in normal ways just because it Lands surveys, these have nothing ,to is done in bulk? do with mines. On motion 810 - Miscellaneous Serv One other thing, I read the Report ices .carried. (I think it is a very good report) but I clo not know if anybody can enlarge 811 Wild Life: on what •is generally known about the MR. HOLLETT: MT. ChaiTII1an, ptarmigans, But I do think t'he foxes there is an interes~ing vote there. I and crows 1have a lot to do with the notice the vote has gone from $43,000 disappearance, with destroying the to $84,000. The Minister has pointed eggs and young in the Spring of the out that $50,000 ,of that .is for a survey year. Now I kno,w we can control of ·beavers. that, but ,1 am afraid, if we adopt the 920 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS attitude taiken iby Dr. Ga,brielson, that foundland that the Government for it is not due to that at all, but that many years instituted a bounty it is due to lack of food and climatic scheme. I thfak the last payment was conc1ibions. in 1912. MR. lSMALLWOOD: We have had MR. HOLLETT : There are none that a great many years, climatic con left now? ditions, since ResponsiJb,Je Government and even longer than that. MR. SMALLWOOD: Two-legged wolves, lots of them. "Ve are exter MR. HOLLETT: I remember when minating them gradually. you could see hundreds and hundreds of partridge an HON. W. J. KEOUGH (M4ni&ter of M.R. MERCER : The honourable Fisheries and ,Co-operatlives) : I don't genVleman is ,giving aiway my case. know ,what the .Premier has actuaNy told the Comm-it·tee. Tlhe posi,t.ion is MR. 1HOLI.JETT : I did not k:n oiw as stated. This $41,9'12 is piicked u,p, the honouralble member ·had a case and and the balance olf Andrews loan be [ d'on',t see the 1honou•ra1ble memlber as comes due in April. a law,yer, II see 1in him a memlber of t1he MR. HOL,LETT : ,I have sometlhing House ·representing a district. He m ay have an LLB after h'is name, but tha,t to say on tiha1t, That is a company in is not im1pm'~ant here. He represents whioh the Government 1were a fi,fity-one ~he peop!le of the coun-try just as mudh per cent shareholder, and they had control o;f tha,t company until, [ ,be as the people of Port de Grave. lieve, ,] 954, fast ,year. Tlhat was a MR. MiER:CER : You do too. Government-lbaoked compan,y, and the shares were tllivided as to 5,1 % in Vhe MR. HOLLETT : T:ha•t is why I hands of uhe Government, in the name am saying this. of Uhe Honoumible Minister of Fish e11ies and Co-opera1bives. INOIW 'l ihave MR. OHA;LRIMAN : [ think ,t,he personally not'hing agafost -t-he Andrews honoura1ble member for Port de Grave Fi&heries, but I do remernber tha,t is bothering the Honouralble Leader ~f sometime 1back they were one of the the Opposition. 926 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS MR. HOLLETT: T,hat is ,inten ought -to make good ,the doMar a qll'in rional. I ,know the inrtention Uhat Js :tal ,whiioh ,these ,fis,he.rmen claim, In designed. H does not get ,~he 'hon()iUr thait ,the Government a'l ,that time was a/ble member for 'Port de Grave any 51 % owner of this company o.f And where, not even wibh me, the people rews La:brador Fisheries. I wonder if in PoI't de Grave nor ,in Newfound the M,inister would care to make a land. rI was 'buy a dragger and ,to equip ,tlha,t drag House, so as ,to give the Government ger, or to complete the equipping. And Vhe opportunity in ,Dha,t sesS1ion •to ,bring t'he understanding was that 50% of ~he ,tihe mMter be.fore tlhe House and get profit ea,clh year would be applied ,to confirma·~ion on i;t, So that IW'ha,t ,the repUacement of t'he loan. It so hap bank 'has advanced is a temporary loan pens Lhere have not been profJ-ts in on the Governmernt's guara•ntee, and is excess of .)5,300, and iby the applicaition picked u,p lby ,ohe Government when of profi,t .i,t has not been possi'bl]e to 1the IHouse has authorized it, and the reduce ~he loan lbeyond .$59,700. The loan is tJhen a direct ·cash loan 1to the pr MR. KEOUGH: No, not yet. MR. HOLLETT : Well 110!body is object,ing to Joans to firms ,who realJ')' M,R . HOLLETT: In regard ,to For have something behind 1the,m. They tune Bay $450,000 and Lake .$650,000, are ,£iSJh people, ,these people, hoth I regret these people have ·no t found it possilble to make some repayment. Penney and Lake. And I am quite sure muclh good wil~ come ifrom any MR. SMAiLLWOOD: They were advance whidh uhe Government makes not supposed ,to do so up to now. tJhe plall!ts. These are not ,in defau J.t a,t all. The only ot:her outstanding is 1 1 MiR. HOLLETT: You have got to Eckhard,t's. I suppose 11 should ,not make •Lha,t good yet. 11ay very much a1bout tha,t now. The deed has been done. Or 'has •the money MR. SMA:LLWOOD : We have to lbeen advarnced to the Eckhardt M'iHs? make it good, But iit ,is not -in default. I,f I may explain. ,I saiid that it hap MIR. SMALLWOOD: Yes. pens somet-in1es •that aifter ,the House MR. HOLLETT: 1he1'ieve they has closed for one session and before 'have opened their plant a short time the beginning of aJ1other ses~ion, in ago. beuween the two sessions, ,the Govern men,t are asked to make something MR. SIMALLWOOD: 'J1his is not ,vhe ;plant, this is for the sta1Bf house. final before ~hey have .been authorized to do it by the last session of tlhe MR. HOLLETT : I ,wonder when House, and it ·wuul MR. SMALLWOOD: This com On motion item canied. Conso!i pany began •to operate in Newfound da•ted Fund Services : land a week or ,tJwo ago, !but a year Departmernt of Educabion : and more ago they opened a shop on W'ater Street and •tJhey opened a shop On moVion item 641 -- Fixed A~ets in Mont-real and opened a shop in Toronto, and ~n ,those shops •they have - Carried. been selling their ,products in ~he 644 OVher: values of tens of t'housands of dollars. T·hey brought •dhese products from On motion 644-01 carried. their plant in Austnia. Now the Hrst df -the Newfound0and-made goods are MR. SMALLWOOD : :I may say. ,Mr. Chairman, ,this is ,uhe section of an sale in -their shops already, and ,I the five years during each of which it know they began to manufacture only is sta,ted •that we would spend five hun aJbou,t a fortnight ago, that us to manu facture in Newfoundland, and Dhe dred thousand dollars under this head dng ,t,wo and a •ha,M miJI,ion in five goods are already on sa,!e in oheir ~hops, and progressively as the plant years, a halif rniiLlion a Tea•r for Re gional High Schools. 644-03 - Tha,t is comes into more production at Briigus uhey ,will seLI only uheir Brigus-made the cost of new schools. At Gander we are sharing the cost wi1Uh t'he Gov goods and less of •their European ernment of Ganada, Amalgamated and made goods until eventually, in a mait ter of mornt'hs or may1be a year, whioh Roman Gaitlhollic !because ,they are going to move out to ,the new townsite. The it may take •them •to get dnto full pro d!uotion, so t•hat out of the prodm,ts Gove1,nment of Canada and the Gov of •their plan•t a.t Brigus rthey •will sup ernment of Newfoundland !bear the ply not ornly •their own shops but the cos~ of -building •~hese two new schools. other trades ,they have on t,his side of Tlhat is our share for this year. fhe Atlantic as ~vell. MR. HOLLETT : Does not the Government 1Dhink that ,important MR. HOLLETT: I /have very !iDble enough to put i,t ,in under t'he proper more to say on -this. T1hey 'have got headling? ~his $160,000, I hope t,hey nvm ha1Ve good success. MR. SMALLWOOD : We had fthis head•ing, you see. You don't put in a am airways in dread, Mr. Chair :r head,ing for an ex,pendi>ture •Dhat is man, when a man wi•rh a sword comes never going ·to occur again, as a rule. near me. On motion 644-02, 644-03 carried. M:R. CHA'IRMAN : The Sergeant at-Arms ,has ,been merely told albout a Department of •Vhe Attorney General car :to ,be removed, he was not going 740 - On motion carried. to stick a sword iin anTone. De-partment of Mines and Resources. MR. HOLLETT: I was wondering, 840 Loans: Mr. Chairman, i.f I had said some bhing out of order. MR. HOLLETT : I rwonder def the Honouralble Mirrister could give a,n ex. MR. SMALLWOOD : Tihe colour planation? is 1begirnning to come back into the honoumlble gentleman's iface now. DR. ROW·E: iMr. Clm>irman, I 932 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS th•ink ·it has lbeen ex•p\ali.ned over and nf:R. HOLLETT : -Is t•hat one, de over again both by the Honouralble the tails on page 132, J rememlber reading Premier and rnyselrf. The Joan fund - Does 'bhis mean we wi•ll get ba·ck is for peo'P'le engaged ,in farming, peo rurnm ·Canada half that amount of eight ple keepi•ng lives,tock •and growing million dollars? vegetables and fapming genernlly in the acceptruble sense of the word, and from MR. SMA'LLWOOD : The amount t'ha•t Joan .fiund t•hey ,borrow a small is shown on ,vhe revenue side - ap· amount to get new hu,ildings, to in proi-ima,tely hal,£. crease the size o!E •rhe buildings and MIR. HOLLETT : Could we have -to o:bta•1n ei,ther a ·new breed of live ,tihese ·vhings read, so thait not only Vhe stock or new machinery, and such House lbuit ,Che general public wiH get things as smaJtl tractors. A large nurn- ~he general idea of wha,t •t'he Hon· 1ber of farmers aJJ over tlhe province, o·uratble M.inister for Pulbli'c Works 'has •tJhe ,west coast especially. avail of these planned for this year? loans. As ,I explained to the House, the ,Joans are made on ,rhe recommen On motion 941-02-05 - Carried. On da,t.ions of the 'Loan Board over w1hich 1110-oion 941-03-01 --'Carried. no one exerts any ·control whatsoever. MR .HOLLETT: W~1ere are these 1It is an ·indopcndent Loan Board, ex ferry landings? cept for tJhe control exerted by this HCYUse, of course. MR. SPENCER : For BeH Island ,1,his year. 1Poi,tuga.! Cove landling is MR. HOLLETT : How much nearly -Finished. money was put out las,t year under ·~hat? MR. &MALI.;WOOD : And ,vhe Pla- D.R. ROWE : I believe jus,t about centia ones done and pa.id for. one 'hundred tihousand dollars. On mrw,ion 941-03-02 - Carried. Loans under 840-03, Fu,r Farm De Depa1°oment o'f HeaJ,th : vel-opment are loans for mink !farmers. MR. HOLLETT : '!,hat fa .for Dildo MR. SIMAlJLWOOD : That is ,vhese area? nursing ~taitions. W•ill t•he Minister tell us exaotly 1041-01 carried. WheTe tihe $100,000 is to 1be spent? Is it lby rwiay of Joans, or is the Governrnen,t MR. HOLLETT : In conecdon w.i~h b ecoming engaged •in farming? the sba•tement -rhe Honouralble •t1he Pre mier made a &ho11t •t•ime a,go a1bou t MR. SMALLWOOD : H ihas been Whitte Bay? already explained ad nauseum. HON. DR. H. L POTTLE (!'vliinis On motion carried. ter of ,puiblic We,~fore) : iU ·covers t!he Department of Pulb\,ic Works : ooNage hospita'1 a,t Nain, t'he nursing stat-ion at Rodc\Jickton and comp,Jet-ion On motion 941-01 - Carried: of the Jmspi-tal at NoI't'h ·Wes•t R•iver. iln the case of Nain we get -two-thirds 94'1-02 Roads and Bridges : on capi•tal account from the Federal Hems 941-02-01, 041-02-02 carnied : Government, lby agTeement, and a small 941-02-03, 941-02-04 carried. return also on bhe other projects. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 933 MR. HOLLETT: We get some of men ~n -the world •it is quite a venture t'ha,t lback? to !become t'he owner of a thouse, ·t'he 'house •they ldve in, And in no way MR. SIMALLWOOD : Yes. 1044-03 can people in low income 1brackets lbe is •capital expansion for the hospital at assisted •Lo become thome owners lbe-tter T,wiLLingate. than ~hey can lby means of this Co On morion 1044 ·car,ded. opera,tive Hous,ing. 1141 on motion carried. HON. S. J. :HFJF-FERTON (M>indster of Municipa,l Affairs and Supply) : I Department of Munidipal A•£fafrs and might at this time, Mr. Chairman, Supply: point out t'ha,t at the present ,t'ime we 1340 Loans - On motion carried: have ~even groups ;Which 'have ei-t1her 6inis,hed t·heir .projects and paid them ,MR. SMALLWOOD : A~though ,I oBf or wiH lbe doing w. ,vhink it is a shame not to ha,ve some one say anything albou t co-operative MR. HOL'LETT : Where? hou~ing. The 'honouraible and learned MR. HEFFER TO"N : Practically all m.em'ber for St. Jo1hn's ,,vest, alt'hougih in St. Jdhn's. I am not permdtted to refer ,to iot, on another occasion referred to Co-oper MR. HOLLETT : ls t•here not one a•t•ive Housing. We are very proud of in Bur1n? it. We norw lead all Canada •in Co opemtive Housing. There is no Gov MR. HEFFER TON : No. eonment tin Canada tha.t lh!as so acti MR. SMALLWOOD: Not co-opera vely and so generously and so con tive. s-tructively assiisted in Co-operative Housing Development as ,this one. VV'e MR. HEFFERTON: T 1his $400,000 are norw leading all Canada, and we vote is a provi~'ion for some -ten groups are very ,proud of iit. 'Indeed the either ,in •the pro-cess of staNing or ~hat ithing !has •taken on. II hJa.ve not seen will tbe ,within the next -two or ~hree any phase -in the co-operative field, co monvhs. H merely provides for the operatiive moveme,nt tba,t -took so weH infoia,] payments under the new ar as co operative housing. 'Jot lhas, how rangement ~vioth C.M. 8: H. whereby ever, -the unfortunate aspeot •Vhat once we advance ,tihe ·initial payment and tJhe co-operators have got-ten their t·hey •get iprogress payments under houses comp-leted and oare living in C,M. & H. It was a Hale ditfferent •t·hem they ·cease ·to be co-opera-tors as when ,we had to put up •bhe w!hole of far as lhous>ing is concerned. But a-t tthe money the.fore we got any reim all events i't iis a magnilfioient way of bursement. enalbling people 1in rela,tiveiy lorw in MR. HOLLETT: I regret the ab come brackets to get homes ·that t,hey sence of my 1honournble colleague on might not otherwise have been a.hie my 11ight. I am sure ,he would Jtike •to to get. Lt ,is, of course, for mo&t men express his views on •that vote. I ,in this -worltl a great •venture vhat would say on his ,beh·al,f also tihat ,r ha,ppens once in •~heir lives, uf it hap am glad to know that L'he Government pens :H all, ,to tbeoome -the owner of a is expend,ing $400,000. But was not house. Some men !become the owners of the gran1 last year 5500,000. many 1housC6, or ;become •tihe owner of one house a.fter t'he other, ,but for most MR. HEFFERTON: 11 have not 934 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS t'he exact ·fiigures. :r ,Uho,nk ,1 am correct MR. HOLLETT : I have heard in say-iLg ,i,t was all spen:t or H no,t some of the fishermen ex.press the oommi0t,1ed,. opinion to me t-hat -they experience great difficulty in getting these loans. On motion 134] 'Carried : MR. SMALLWOOD : That was the MR. HEflFE:RTON: Perhaips section especially under the Chairman mig!ht make one comment, ,Mr. Oha-ir ship of Mr. Baxter. Under the Chair man, on Federa•I projects. Tihat -is ,the manS'hip df Mr. Drover the procedure estimate of our part of •the project i.f becomes easieL t'he centra-1 development area goes ahead this year. Tha:t is No. 5, ,the On motion 1440-02, 1440-03 carried. cenitral area in St. John's. 1444: MR. HIGGI!NS : The Carter's -Hi·ll area? MR. HOLLETT : Mr. Chairman, I would like to know the nature of ex MR. HEFFERTON : That is righ1. perimental grants? On moDion can,ied. MR. SMALLWOOD: It is con nected with -the development of the 134<1-02, ·1941-0il on motion carried. mink industry. Members of ~he Com MR. ,SMA'LLv\,-OOD : Notw rhe hon mittee who have 'travelled to Chapel ouraJl:>le memiber may see the Burin Arm when the potheads were coming i,tem there. in and were processed will not need ,to be told that the operation is not MR. HOL1LETT : Aipparently it carried on in the most acceptable 1had ibeen staPted and t1hey gave up the form. H is on the Trans°Canada gihost and, it lhas now· sta11ted again. Highway and the Highway to the MR. SMAI.JLWOOD: Something Bonavista Peninsula, what will be tihc Joilke Dha!t. Trans-Canada Highway across the Island, and a .Jarge number of people MiR . .HOLLETT : 11 :hope they do drive down on the beach when the something 1W1i-th it. operations are proceeding, and I t-hink it will be generally agreed that some 1344 on motion carnied : •thing is le"Ft .to be desired in the man Department o'f Fisheries and Co-op ner in which this operation is carried eraitives: out. Secondly ~here is at present a very serious loss of value. To 'begin 1440 Loans: with, all the bone structure of the 1440-01 on mot-ion carr,ied. whale is lost, and indeed frequently left in putrid form on ~he beach. 1440-02: But what is more serious even than •that is the fact ~hat •the bone is lost MR. HOLLETT : That :is in ad and the large pa,rt of the flesh of each di,t,ion to IWlhait has already lbeen Ioaned pothead is lost. In other parts of on -various foans ,to individual small the world the prime source of food fa,he11II1en? for mink is horseflesh, -the procedure MR. SMALLWOOD : These are is to put the whole of a carcass the small loans. There is a co-opera -nhrough a large grinder, grinding tive loan fund too. everything, the -flei.h, except the hide HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 935 of course, and -the hoofs, the rest is should grea,tly augment their income put through a grinder and ground so by enabling them to sell ,~he whole that all the meat and muscle and carcass rather than merely such parts bone, everything, are all ground, and as they chop off, in extremely uncom make excellent -food. B\l't in the case fortable conditions, from the carcass. of the pothead whales only a relative I am rather proud though it is not ly smal1l part of flesh is cut and re only however a benefit to the fish moved and used and the carcass, the ermen of Chapel Arm and that area; frame .in large is left frequently on not only will i,t be much better for the beaches. Now that is not only the general public passing along and unsightly, it is a serious economic loss, especially when we can make ex,tensive driving down to see the operation use of it in ,the .feeding of mink. So going on, but it will be a good t'hing that rwe propose to make ,great improve for the mink owners, because, let it ments on ~he beach in Chapel Arm. be clearly understood, we must, accord That is to say we wish to put in a ing to the old saying, use everything grinder to grind up all the whale, the but the swill of •the ·hog. So in pot whole of the whale so that there will heads we must use everything but be no economic loss. We wish to put the swi11 so as to feed the maximum in electric saws to saw up these ani number of mink. Although my hon mals quickly, the parts that have to be ourable friend insists, for some reason sawn up. We wish to put in llhelters that is quite incomprehensible to me, to keep the sun off the whales to pre to be quite amused by this mink pro vent the present ra;ther rapid decom ject, i-t is big stuff and it is going poortion at times, depending, of to be big stuff and it is going to be course, on t!he sun and temperature. the means of supporting hundreds of We wis'h to put in electric hoists, families. I don't see anything funny electrica.Uy operated, to ,haul t-he great about that. So that this vote will be animals ashore on the beach where of benef.i t to ,the fishermen, to the they can be handled, instead of hav miruk ranchers and to the general ing men getting to their wai&ts in public. water t,rying to drag ~hem up. We MR. HOLLETT: Now, Mr. Chair want to have it done in the way it man I don't see any.thing funny a:bout is done in modern packing houses, it, except that there is always a pos we want to install slips and slipways sibility that it will require the pres for tha;t purpooe, and then a conveyor ence of the Honourable the Premier. srystem. :In other words, Mr. Chair man, we want to install this year at MR. SMALLWOOD: I have been Chapel Arm as modern a system of over there qui,te a bit. handling these pothead wha,les as the Committee might care to imagine. MR. HOLLETT: Yes. They only Now this will be a great thing for come into the land when the Hon fishermen of Chapel Arm and t,hat ourable the Premier is present in this area because in vhe first place it will count,ry. So I am afraid we w-i11 have to see to it the Honourable the Prem ena,ble them for the first time in ier does not go vacationing too much their Jives to operate in this whale in Jamaica but rather at Dildo. I industry with some comfort and effi remember when a small boy there was ciency, and in the second place it a whaling factory at St. Lawrence, 936 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS about fourteen miles from where I the maHer to -them referred and have lived, and, brother, when the wind passed items 804 through 821 on Cur came down from the southwest (four rent Account and Items 1440 through teen miles away, mind you) we could 1444 on Capital Account Expenditure. scarcely live in the community in The Committee reports progress and wliich we lived. I don't know if it asks leave to sit again presently. is anything like tha,t. On motion report received, Com MR. SMALLWOOD: I see it had mittee ordered to sit again presently. its effect on the honourable gentle MR. SMALLWOOD: Mr. Speaker, man, and he never got over it. The I move the House recess until 3:00 of honourable gentleman, I know, wants the dock this afternoon. to have a heyday over the next head ing. Let us complete this heading so On motion the House then recessed we may have a clear field a£ter lunch. unti MR. HOLLETT : I know we would like to ,talk about it, as it is important. MR. SMALLWOOD: Far be it from us to spoil the honourable gen tleman's fun. W,EDNES-DAY, Apri-1 20, 1955 MR. HOLLETT: I have very lit tle to say about it, but I wou-ld like to AFTERNOON SESSION rhink it over while ea,ting· my lunch. T'he House resumed at 3:00 of ,the MR. SMALLWOOD: It may help olock. the honourable gentlemen to digest his lunch. MR. SMALLWOOD: Mr. Speaker, 1 wish to move •that the House do not MJR. HOLLETT : Lt •is on my chest adjourn at 6:00 of the clock today. at the moment, perhaps if I got it off I would eat better. Motion carried. MR. SMNLDWOOD : Mr. Speaker, MR. SMALLWOOD : You had bet II wus·h to move ,~he House dO" no-t ad ter ea•t now. journ a-t Ir! :00 o'dock thus evening. MR. HOLLETT: And leave it on Motion carried. my chest at the moment. MR. CUR'IlIS: Mr. Speaker, MR. MORGAN: Mr. S•peaker, the Mr. Cour Committee of tJhe Whole on Bill, MR. BROWNE: Clause 14 now 'be "An Act Respecbing ,the ·Conditional comes Clause 13, someone must move Sale of Goods : tha•t? MR. OHArIRJMAIN : Clauses 4 and M1R. CURT,IS : I make t'hat as part 14 were allowed •to stand, [ bdieve. of tihe amendment. That t'his clause The other clauses ,were passed : be deleoted and the nex,t clause amended ·to read Clause 13 , MR. CUR TIS : •Mr. Chairman, on Clause 4, I have giving that matter On motion amendment carried. some •bhought. ,I l'hink thirty days ought to lbe amp,le. Mot,ion that the Commit-tee report ha:v.ing passed the Bill with some On motion Clause 4 carried. amendment, carried. MR. CURTIS : Mr. Chairman, MR. SM1ALILV17OOD: Mr. Chairman, Clauses 14 was held up really without 1 move now that we take No. 27 on any reason, 1H ·is tied up ,w,i.th •the de ,tlhe Order Paper. The reason for that finiition of !building material in (d) is that the Minister of Provincial w'hich ,I think clarifies Seot,ion 14. Aoffaiirs and t•he SoJ.ioi-tor General is MR. BROWIN'E: .Section 14 was leaving later today lby air for Ottawa. held up because it gives -the right of W 1hile •he is present in the Committee t'he seHer ,to come ~n a ·house and 'lake we ought to de.cl wi•t1h ~he Elect-ion possession even rhough ,the article is Aot. a £ixture and •imlbedded in ,Vhe floors. Commrttee of the Whole on Bill, This is a new departure from the prin "An Aot to Amend the Election Act : " dple and we ·are opposed to ,this, Clause 1 read and oarried. MR. CURTIIS: All rig/ht, we wiit•h• Clause 2 read: draw •tihe BilL I move the Committee pass on to the nex-t BiH, report pro 2. ISeotion 3 of The E•leotion Act, gress and ask leave to sit again on •tihis 1954, the A·ct No. 79 of 1954 ·is repealed Bill. and ,uhe following sulbsuituted vherefor: Motion to repor•t progress and ask "3. Subject ,to •!'his Act, every man leave to si•t aga,in carr.ied.: and every woman •is qual1ified •to vote at an eleotion in •LJhe proper polling Commi-ttee of the Whole OTT Bill, division of an electoral district who "An Act Respecting ,Bulk Sales : " (a) is of ,the foll age of l!Wenty-one MR. CHAIJJRMAN: Clause 13 was years; a}lowed to stand : (ib) is a Canadian cit-izen or ouher MR. 1:-liIGGINS : That was a ma,t· British sulbject; ter, Mr. Ohaimnan, you ,will remember, whioh seemed to lbe going outside or (c) has been ordd,narily resident in taking away .from the other man his t•he province for twelve months common law ,rights and limiting it in ,immediately proceeding ,the day of stead of s-ix years to six mon,t'hs. election; and MR. CURTIS : St11ike out Section (d) is ordinarily Tesident in •t'he elec 13 - dt suits me. toral district on ,tohe day of elec Motion carried : tion." 938 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS MR. BROWNE : Mr. Ohainman, I did not, and -I s>hould 'have ·been in how does that allfeot patients in in •teres,ted, and l don't ,believe anybody svi1u,tions, suoh as the \Sanatorrium? else did. Now we are going ,to have ,five new d•istr icts. And a;fter trhese HON. M. P. MURRAY (Mfois,ter oif lists have been al,tered and prepared Provinoia1 .Mfairs) : This particular again you will have to have another clause does not affeot -them ait a,JJ. revision of voters for the £ive districts, Clause 2 carried. Clause 3 read Ml Clause 4 carried. MR. HOLLETT : It .is not defined 1here. MR. SMALILWOOD : Mr. Ohair man, JI suggest you call t:hese sections MR. MURRAY : J think you will by sub-sections, then we will all know find -the compHing officer referred to whalt sectfon we are ,ta,lking on, and in ehe main Aoc. then ·have them adopted one by one in that same order. MR. BROWNE: No, Mr. Ohaiir man, -Vhere is nothing here albout a MR. BROWiNE : IM.r. Chairman, I compildng offrcer. don',t •think ~ha,t is .feasilble. It is like a ·big long sentence really. No w wrhat MR. MURRAY : I cannot pu-t my 1! would like the .M,in:ister -to tell me is finger on i•t at -t,he moment, but [ am ,iliis: Tak-ing ,~he Dist1,iot df S,t. John's completely certa,i,n that t'he compiling East and West, where the 1bound,ny of£icer .is referred •to in ,the main Act. line ,is drawn !between ,tihe districts - I w:ill have to look. there are five different d!istricts now Section 5, sulb-clause 2 - "The Lieu where .formerly -there were two, and a tenarnt-'Governor may appoint a com revision of the voters will be an pilring oFf-icer" - Section 5 of the main nounced, I don'•t know ilf rthere ,is any Aot, 6Ulb-claus-e 2. divisfon of -tihe voters. 'l dorn',t 1beJ.ieve anybodry took bhe ,tmuble 'lo go there - MR. BROWNE : No. Tha,t is a i,t does not seem reaEstic enough, no compil-ing Qlf,Hcer for the province. electrion pending or anyt'hli,ng like ·that, Thaot is Mr. Slhort. no one came down here •to see ~he division of the lists of -voters. I know MR. MURRAY : Yes. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 939 MR. BROWNE : WeLl then, rwhat now according ,to certain streets, I take will the procedure lbe? ii ~vould 1'ike to [rt - i\Vere •they taken under •rhe old know wha,t -vhe procedure is going to Act? be in regard ,to the five districts. Wiill tlhere 1be a new revie,wdng justice aip MR. MURRAY: Yes. It is not as rpoi,nted ,for ea'ch of ,these distriot-s, who ditivircult as it may sound. '!'he new will work under rhe dhect-ion of the poUing divisions ~vm lbe created and compiling d£ficer, who rwould have to put in in the ordinary manner lby be pdndpal instruoter general to ea'ch posting J.ists on telephone poles. of :these tiive reviewing justices? And ;wR. HOLLETT : Give us enough t'hey will ,proceed ,to compile the List. ballot boxes. They won't ,take a new list of voters, but ,take What has been done - MR. BROWNE : Mr. Ohairman, what is t-he purpose of :bPinging in ~his MR. MUR,RAY : That empowers seot-ion here - "For ,~he purpose of vhe compiling officer to use the infor ·this section the Lieutenant-Governor mat•ion arlready availaible. in Counoil may appo,int a compiling MR. BRO"VNE : ii undemtand two o£ficer." districts are now included, Placentia MR. MURRAY: Well, he •is given a,n MR. BROWNE : Mr. Chairman, (2) A person ,who ,is quaHfied ,to t·ha,t does ·no-t g,ive him a vote, of vote in the eleotoral district in rwhicih course? an election is pending, and is on pol ling day resident in a polling division MR. MURRAY: No, not at all. As •t'herein may, sulbject ,to t1his Act and I have ex,plained, occas•ion could arise notw,i~hstanding that his name does where a young school teacher, say, is not appear on the o!F_Bicial list oif elec suitalble for an o£ficial and could be tors for sud1 polling division, vote at appointed. -the appropriate polling stMion estab MR. HOIJLETT : 'l don't know lished ,in that polling divisfon, if he how •tfuat .is ,going to apply to persons, ,takes and subscribes ,before ,the deputy foT -instance, dorwn in Labrador, and return&ng off,icer the oath as in Form the returrning o£ficer finds himself No-. 35 of the Schedule. short. lt is the eleotoral officer does (3) The deputy returning 0 1F-6ker k He wrn have ,to wire up here and shall fi,]e in t'he manner prescrilbed iby gN instructions from !him? the chief electoral officer every oath MR. MURRAY: Yes. taken under sub-section (2) , and •foe oa,Uhs so taken and filed shall consti MR. BROWNE : That gives him - tute ,t,he supplemen:tary Hst of electors He could ,get. an American citizen to for .tlhe polling station concerned. act. (4) For the pnrposes o!f this section, MR. MURRAY: Yes. H .is a,t the -the question whe~her a person is resi discretfon of Mr. Shmt. llt may lbe dent !in the prov,ince, or in an electoral necessary to get a person who is not district or in a polling di·vision thereof an elector, an American ciitizen or a shall ibe determined in accordance with person not qualif,ied ,to vote ,in the tlhe lfoHowing rules : province who still may lbe well qual i/f.ied to act as a clerk in a po!ling (i) T'he residence of a person shall 'be b-Oorh. deemed to 1be that place t'hat has always !been, or that 'he has Clause 7 carried. adopted as, the place of this ha'bi Clause 8 read: tation or home -to which, 'When ever albsent, he has ,uhe inten:tion 8. Section 65 of bhe said Act is re of retum,ing. pealed and the following substhuted (ii) A person is deemed :to have only Vherefor: one place of ·residence -whi-dh can not lbe fos•t unless another is "65. - (1) Except as othel1Wise pro gained and a change of residence vided in, and subject to his taking any occurs rwhere a person goes to oath required under bhis Act, a person anot'her pla·ce ~v,ith the ,intention qua,Liified to vote at an election whose of rema,ining t'here. name appears on ,t!he of£icial list of electors for a polling sta~ion shall on (iii) A person shall not lbe deemed ,to poUing day be permitted ,to vote -a!t have ga,ined a residence •in -bhe such polling station, ,if he is Uhen resi province, or in an electoral dis - dent in the polling div>ision for which trict ,uhereoif, if that person has HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 941 come into the province for tem ling division in ,which 'he ,is resident. porary purposes only, ,with tihe T'ha,t is tihe ru·le. Now an except-ion inten~ion of ma'kJing the province, to Vhe rule is that a person may be and some place •in die electoral resident in an electoral district - 'l district his home. gave an exampQe the otiher day - Sup pose a man belonging to· Bay Bulls, (iv) A member of Her Majesty's registered in the polling division ,in Forces stationed ·in -t'he province Bay Bulls but residing in Fermeuse o,n shaU not be deemed to he resi polling day, can vote in tJhe Fenneuse dent •therein or in an eleotoral palling division if he goes on the mp district or a •polling division plementary list. thereof unless du11ing the twelve months ,immedfa.tely ,preced~ng MR. BROW,l\lE : Suppose he is ~he date -t'hat he !became a mem working a,t -the birch plant and lives ber of Her Majesty's Force ,he was at Wi•tless Bay, can he vote at Bay a resident in ~he province. Bulls? (5) Where a ,poUing station for an MR. MURRAY: No. He must go electoral district has been estalblished home to vote. He must vote in t•he outside of that electoral district under polling division in which he is regis Section 52, any elector w,ho is entitled tered. to vote in any part of -the electoral distPict !for ,which i-t ,was es,tabJ.ished Clause 8 carried. may vote at such polling station for Clause 9 read : t'he candidate or nurruber of candida,tes authorized lby law to lbe elected to re 9. Sect•ion 74 of the said Act is present such electoral district. amended (6) An elector s·hall not vote in (a) lby delet•ing the word "·t•hree" in more than one electoral district nor paragraph (f) of sU!b-section (1) and more -than once in any electoral dis su:bsti,tuoing ~herefor ·~he word "tiwo;" trict, lbut every elector may vote for and as many candidates as are authoPized (b- ,by deleting the words "each can by la:w to be elected for ,t'he electoral didate" appearing in sulb-section (7) district cin respect of w'hioh he votes. immediately after the words "ohe 'ballot (7) Every ,person who· a.t an election pa.pers marked for" and sulbstkuting votes in more than one electoral dis the1't'lfor t,he wo-rds "t·he same cand•i• trict or more than once -in any electoral da,te or candidates." district is guilty of an dffence." MR. MURRAY: That is pllit in, MR. BROWNE : suppose t.ha,t Mr. Ohairm~n, at the s11gge~tfon of Mr. could 'be simplified. If he voted more Short - "Two witnesses shall !be suf than once 'he is guilty of an offence. ficient." And the other amendment •is a wonder ,i1f the Minister would rruintl because of the creation of two-man glancing a,t su!b-clause 2 t•here? distr-icts, and ·the Act has ,to lbe changed accordingly. ,r,t is a question of keep MR. MURRAY : Actually this re ing track of tihe ba'1lot papers. enacts sub-clause 2. That is put in for the punpose df clariHca-tion. The MR. BROWNE : As it reads now l'Ule is la•id down in sub-clause ('I) all t'he ballot papers shall be counted that a person shall only vote in a pol- and a record kept of the numlber of 942 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS votes for each candida,te. That is all velope, while a nwo·-man ballot right as far as the candida.t-es are con paper - cerned. MR. BROW.NE : All you do now MR. MURRAY : Tihe ballot paper with 'Dhe vaHd lballot paper is to put is not .for eaoh !but for bo,th candidalt•es. ,it in an envelope. Lt •is a question of keeping ,track of the 1ballots really. MR. CURT 'IS : Suppose Wro of you gen~lemen over there ~vere candidaites MR. BROWNE : How can you and sometbody voted a plumpen·, my separate them then. T'1llis speaks df honouralble friends 'have eaoh one en ~he same candidate or cand'ida,tes. velope .for ,his name. MR. MURRAY : It is ~he !ballot MR. BROWNE : lt says that t1hey papers we are talking albornt. They are not going w do that. have ,to lbe accounted for aif,ter the MR. MURRAY: il have not ~hought votes are counted and re.turned. ,i,t out really - ,In a ,t,wo-man dtistrict MR. BROWINE : Then tihe proce ,there would be "A", ''B'', "C", "D". dure does not follow any more. T,he iN= ,fue :ballot marked for "A" and !ballot ,paiper marked for each candi "B" would lb e quite simple, and would uate shaLi lbe put in a separa,te en go in one envelope as would :the !ballot velope? marked for "C" and "D". But then you !have the comlbinations. Lt ~vould MR. MURRAY: They cannot do H, mean a whole group of envelopes. therefore the clause has !been changed. MR. BROWNE : Wiha-t you reaHy .MR. BROWNE : How are you go mean is Vhat you just put the valid ing to improve i.t ·by su:bstituting the ballots in one envelope. II suggest thait words " the same candtidate or candi be re-drafted there. da,tes?" MR. MURRAY : 11 would like to MR. ,MURRAY: One ballot paper have ~ime ,to reconsider it really. I w111 ·cover two candtida-tes. wonder ,i.f it could stand over. MR. BROWNE : -In other words if On mo~ion Seotion 9 ~land. a voter votes for only one olf the can Section 10: didates you put that ,in a separa,te en velope. If a person vote a plumper - MR. BROWNE : W,ha,t is the rea son ,for ~hat 1being ,taken ou,t? MR. MURRAY: No. MR. MURRAY: T'ha•t, 1 ,think, was MR. BROWNE : W·hy not then put done on .~he recommendation of ,uhe all rhe ballot papers marked properly compiling dfficer. Lt is purely routine, in an envelope. Why ihr>ing in ~he I think. He prefened to have t'he sulb same candidate or candidates? W,hat lis,ts and ~vhatever other forms to be d= ·Vhat mean? made in one ,booth. The amendment merely means ,they are aU pu,t ,in one M.R. -MURoR,AY : 11,t really means envelope. the va'lid 1baillot .papers s,hould be put in an envelope. As it stands now it'he MR. BROWNE: Mr. Ohairman, we ballot pa,per marked .for each candi ha,ve to be explicit, not :put ~hat .there da,te s'hal.l ,be ,put in ea-ch separate en- a:nd make no men~ion of it. .It ,is con- HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 943 ceivalble some deputy returning offiicer tion for a voter fa a Canadiian ci:tizen would say : "What have 11 to send - or ofher BPitish sulbject. Now if he I don',t see any,thing here aibout sulb ,is not a Oanadian citizen is Vhere lists of eleotors. another form for him? MR. MURRAY: iMr. Sh01,t who has MR. MURRAY: Yes, under the !had an infinite amount of eXJperience Act the electoral officer 1has the power on these matters - to revise the form. MR. BROWNE : 11 just pass it ,MR. BROWNE : These are the along. '\,Ve .got to make sure ---Js some only ones. Will he lbe ma1king other body going to tear out ~hat sheet, and forms to deal with 'B111tish sulbjects? say, II have lbeen a deputy returning oEficer :here !for ,the last three or four MR. MURR:AY : iHe has power to elections, as the case may lbe, and rwe do tha,t. a1'ways got instruction for sulb-Hsts. 'It MR. BROWNE : Will he do it? ,is not there now. There are no in strucbions. MR. MURRAY : I ,imagine he will. ii ,vhJink we can depend on Mr. Short MR. MURRAY: (f) ,is deleted but for 'this. the sense of it is put in (g) . MR. 'BROWNE: WiH ,the Minister MR. BROWNE : No, 'Mr. Chair drnw it to his attention. 'It onily re man, H II may respeotfully point out. fers to British sulbjects and Canadian You 'have to renuimlber the sulb-section. dtizens. ,MR . .MURRAY: Oh yes. MR. MUR,RAY: 11 IWlill. MR. BROWNE : That does not Clause H carried. follow automatically. Or will you ;re numlber them now, because if (f) is Clause 12: dropped there will lbe no (f) . MR. MURRAY: The ,reason for MR. MURRAY : (g) then becomes 'bhat ,is to rait,i.£y anything the compiling (f). oBfiicer has already done in 'the way of taking up electoral lists and ,tha:t sort MR. BROWNE : I ,take ,it when of thing. Ratifying anything the com tlhey pPint this ,Act of last year and !!his piling o~ficer may ,have done up to Bi,l! -t,hey wi11 1be consoJ,ida,ted? this date in the rway O'f takiing up MR. MURRAY : 'I ,imagine so. eleotors lists. 'Jlhese things are looked after in the MR. BROWNE : Why is it neces Attorney General's office. sary ,to do ,Dhat? What he did was MR. OHAIRM.A1N : No honour under ,the Act. Why do you have to aible member may cross ,the House wit!h bring ,in this raDification now? his ,ha,t on. iHe may rwear a 'hat in his place 'but must not cross the House MR. MURRAY: It is because of with his hat on. ~he new redistribution. Anything vhat has 1been done. On motion Clause IO carried. MR. 1BROWNE : Surely he has not Cl11use 11 : under,taken anything without dnstru MR. 'BROWiNE: iNow the quaLifica- tions there was ,to ibe a 'Change. 944 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS MR. MURRAY: Bu,t before he progress and a.I< leave ,to s•it again 'had any no,ti.fication of change the Hst Carried. of electors rwas ,ta,ken up. Tlhis rati Committee of the Whole on Bill, fies anytruing he has done in the or "An Aot Further to Amend t,he ·Educa dinary course of 1business. I don't see tion Act:" what harm i-t does. Clause 1 read and carried. MR. HOLLETT : Anything he !has done under ·~he old Act now would Clause 2 read: not ,be proper under •this? 2. Sulbsection ('l) of Section 2 of 'Dhe Educa-tion Act, cha•pter 101 of MR. MURRAY : The Act we passed T,he Revised Statutes of Newfoundland, las·t year, anything 'he did under rhat 1952, ,is amended by deleting para is ra.tilfied lby this 'present amendment. graiphs (a) and tb) and surbsti,tuting MR. HOLLETT : What he did un therefor the follo.wing : der the old Act is not in accordance " (a) "Educational District" or "Dh with the new set-up for taking a list trict" : - To provide for each religious of electors. denomination organized for educa·~ion M.R. MURRAY: No, because he al puI'poses under this Act, t'he ad did not know of these changes in ministration of l'ulblic Schools devoted boundar,ies, so this ,is to rati,fy ~vhat to he did do. iH ,would be a completely ~i) the teaching of designated 'higher useless expedi,tu~·e to compel the or lower grades; compiling officer to go out and take a new list when he •has just completed (ii) -the :prov,ision of general elmen the list. tary or secondary education; or MR. HOLLETT : IH does not ra,ri:fy (ii•i) any or all of the purposes re il 1ml makes iL illegal il.t;<.:0,nling· Lo ferred ,to in sulb -paragmphs (i) ~his. and (ii). MR. MURRAY: All ,these amend the province shall for each such re J.igious denomination be divided into ments empower ,the ·comipiling officer a number of areas of concenient di to do so and so. :He is empowered mensions to to do that !because the Act ,is deemed be knowns as "Educa tional Distriicts," or :briefly as "Dis to come into effect on the 22nd of -tr-icts." June fas•t. (b) "Board Qlf Education" or MR. BROWNE : Mr. Ohai11man, Board:" - [n each District, ~he or just one question - '1\/'here does the ganizavion and administ,ration of Pub officer in charge get ,rhe power to lic Sdhools devoted to draft new a1£fidavits such as these? (i) 1the teaching of des•ignated higher MR. MURRAY : The power of the or lorwer grades; compi-ling olf.ficer 'to change forms. N is in the main Act here somewhere. (ii) ,the provision o,£ general elemen tary or secondary education; or MR. CURTl~S : Now bhe only sec (iii) any or all of ehe purposes re ~ion outstand-ing -is 9 tb) . •ferred to in su'b-paragra'[>'hs (i) Motion tha:t the 'Commi-ttee report and (iJi), HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 945 shall lbe under ,the management of (iii) ,any or all of the puI1poses re a numlber of persons appointed in ferred •to in sub-paragra,phs (i) accordance wi,th this Act to be known and (ii) collectively as t,he "Board of Educa ~he unit area of control and manage tion" for ~ha,t 0-istrict, or 'bI1iefly as ment shall be a D,is,triot and ,the ,the H 1Board." ,authority therein shall be ~he proper Boa·rd of EducMion, and sulbject to M•R. BROWNE : Mr. Ohai11man, I paragmph (lb) the boundaries of the wonder ilf •the 'Minister could tell us several districts shall ibe those set what ,the difference -is t'here? fortlh •in Schedule A of T•he Educa HON. J. R. CHALKER (Minister of tion Aot, 1927, and the amendments Educa,tion) : iln the oniginal Act ~he to Schedule A provided !from time po,wer of boards and districts is de to ,time under ,rhat Act, or •Vhis Act." signated - in the new amendment MR. HOLLETT : Mr. GhaiI1man, ,vhey can include Regional High does not ,bhat cut out the Boards of Schools. Education in the various settlements? MR. BROWNE : Is the section MR. CHALKER : No. mudh the same as this? MR. BROWNE : The section is MR. OHALKER : With the inclu somewha,t diBferent Jirom -the old sec sion of this amendment. tion - Thiis is for ,rhe punpose of gen MR. HOI.JLETT : Boards of Educa eral elemernta•ry education, that is all. tion ,were set up in various settlements MR. GHA'LKER : That is right. heretofore? MR. HEFFERTON : ,H ,refers par MR. OHALKF,R : And s·till are. tkularly to :Regional High Schools, T,hey want to 'have this po,wer now which only start at Grade ,IX. -included in the Aot to cover Regional High Schools. They used it, 'but they Clause 3 carried : never had -rt in the Act. All the !boards Clause 4 read : acted for Koinderganen u:p to Grade X1I. They now want it ,legaHzed. 4. Sections 4 and 5 of -the said Act are repealed ,and •t,he following su1b Clause 2 ca,rried. sti,tuted t'herefore : Cl-ause 3 read: "4.- (I) Sulbject lo Seot-ion 5, ithe 3. Section 3 of the said Act is Lieutenant-G-Overnor in Council shall amended 1by rnpealing paragraph (a) in ·eaoh district appoint, on ,~he recom and sulbstituting ,therefor ,the follow mendat,ion of ·t•he pr<~per Superinten ing: dent, a Board of Education consis-t,ing of five or more persons of the district " (a) For ,tlhe purpose of organizing and representaJtive of the most import and administening ,P,ublic Schools de ant :parts of •the distr-ict, one df ~vhom voted to slhall lbe •the senior clergyman or other officer of ·the denomination of •the (-i) ,t!he teaching of designa·ted Ji 9. The sa•id Aot -is fur.t'her amended Commit.tee of ~he Whole on Bill, 'by adding immediately ,a'fter Seoti vote on a Bill he introduced. He come !from, whait it-hey mean? For ,t•he ought a,t least to be alble ,to look up an sake of ,posterity we ought ·to be told. encyclopedia, and he has ·the advant DR. ROWE : Mr. Chairman, 1 !have age df being aible to consult all the scientists attadhed to his department. told the ho11'0uralble memlber t,hat these names here are scient'ilfic and ,the pop DR. ROWE : These are ~he various ular niames 1by whi-oh whales which names 1by whi-ch the ,whales ~vhich come come around our shore are commonly around our shores a·re know s·cienti called, such as pothead ~vhales. This .fically. We inserted the scient•itfic and defiini,tion ,is designed lby people who popula,r names so ,thatt there woul-d be are su'P'posed ,to know something aibout no misunderstanddng. it. O:bv>iously iI do not. They are de signed to cover botih the scientific and MR. HOLLETT : Mr. Cha-irman, popular names of those w,hales. That may I inquire ,who drafted this Ad? is as much information as I can give Oould t·he 'Honouralble ,M,inister tell on rhat. me who drafted this Act? ,vould i,t lbe the AHmney General's office? MR. BROWNE : The M-inister can give us more in.formation than tha,t. DR. ROWE : Yes. Who supplied this for the Attorney MR. HOLLETT : I wonder could General? iHe says it came ,from the de tlhe Attorney Genera.I tell us. pa,rtmcnt. [s ,vhe Honourable Mindster alble to tell us whal au-thonit)' there ,is MR. CURTIIS: These names were in the depa:11tmen-t to give that infor furni&hed lby 1the depar>tment. mation? MR. -HOLLETT : Then ,I take it .MR. HOLLETT: 'We ·know the rhe tHonoura!ble -Minister should ,tell ~vord "g,lodicethala melaena" is a scien us just w!ha,t they mean. tific word. ·But we are not a'ble ·to MR. BROWNE: He does ·not want find the word "Minke." We ,want ,the us ,to know. origin of the word. MR. -HOL•L'ETT: •Lt will never be MR. BROWNE : Mr. Ohafrman, I carried while [ am on my feet. Ac - ~hin;k one of ,them is &pelled wrong. ,I cording to ,t,he rules of the House it Dhink the •Words "glodicethala ma cannot lbe carnied un•til J 1.i,t dmvn. I laena. ' I would suggest the Honour am -not going to sit down yet. a1blc ll\11irnister would oheok up ,to make sure -i,t is coNect. M.R. OHA:IR,MAN : 'Jihe Honour aJble Leader of ·the Opposition ·has the DR. Ro-w·E : ,I shall do ·t·hat, Mr. .floor. Chairman . Clause 2 carried. Clause 3 carried. MR. HOLLETT : II am ,in order, and am ,trying to he}p the Chair to Clause 4 read : preserve order. 4. No person ~hall estaibJish or op MR. CHAilRIMAN : The honour eraite a plant for or engage in ·the pro a,ble memlber ,has ,t.he floo,r. cessing of ,pothead or minke whales in Newfouncbland except under a Hcence MR. HOLLETT: Thank you very issued and valid under ,th,is Act. much, 1Mr. Chairman. Does the Min ister intend •to •tell us where ,the words MR. BROWNE : Ma-. Chairman, HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 949 w'hi-le we don't olbject ,10 this, we !feel and such other conditions as he deems that the Hcence s-lrnuld be a general advisable and may issue different Urning under regulatfons. ·we will have li:cernces for di,fferen,t parts of New more to say ,to •i-t when ,we come to 1,he foundland and a·Uach di,fferent con nex•t one, because this is something di-tions to licences \V•het1h1~r they a1·e is new, as the P.remier pointed out -the sued in respect of ,the same or different other day. A!t the present ,time any parts of Newfound,land. body can ma:nufa·cture ,1•,.,hales. But (2) The Lieu tenant-Governor i-n now from the ,time this -is passed no Council may lfix a fee to !be ,pa·id by a body can estalbEsh nor operate a plant licensee for a licence or its renewal and nor engage in the business of proces ~\,here a fee is fixed a •J.icen'Ce sha.Jl no-t sing 1t,hese w,hales except under a lbe issued unless the .fee is ·first paid. licence. (3) Notwithstanding any other pm MR. HOIJLETT : I am very much vision of ,t,ruis Aot, ~he 'Lieuitenant-Gov against ·that ,pa1°oicular section. emor i-n Council may cancel or revoke MR. S.M,A·LLWOOD : Mr. Ohah or Tefuse -to issue or renew a licem:e man, ,was not ,this clause adopted at without assigning any reason for the second reading? 1ls not that part of -t!he cancellation, revocation or -refusal. principle of ohe Bill? ( 4) Every licence expires on the MR. HOLLETT : Lt is not the ~hirty-ifirst day of -DecemJber of the princ1p:le. IH 'is Section 4, rwlhich says, yea,r in which it is issued or renewed no person shall es•tab.J.is•h or operate a unless it is cancelled o-r revoked alt an plant for or engage -in the processing earl-ier date. of pothead or minke ,whales in New !MR. BROWNE : M1r. Chairman, I foundland except under a Hcence is think we ~viii ·certainly ·have to oppose sued and valid under ,this Act. 1 see ~his 1because i,t irnt·roduces a procedure - this is -the principle of the Bill. I •which I ~hink is unfair. ilt permits the see. 11 did not know that. I vhought Lieutenant-Gover-nor in Courncil to is it was respecting ,the processing of pot sue a licence to any indiv•itlual and head whales. I see t'his is the prin refuse uhe next one who comes along ciple. I am glad to know tha,t. It ""ithout assigning any reason. ·I•t a'1so was not extpla,ined to us that ~vay. permits taking a licence acway from the Clause 4 ca11ried. first pmson and giving ,it 'la -Che next one refused !before. T,here does not Clause 5 read : seem ,to be any orde-r in •this, and I 5.-(1) The Lieutenant-Governor in would suggest that the Minister recon Council may ,issue o·r renew a licence sider it and have ·it come rwithin Sec to any person to establis'h or operate a uion 7 that t'he Lieutenant-Gover-nor in plant for or -to engage in ,the processing Cound,l make such regulation as ,he of pothead or minke whales •in New may deem advisa,ble for ,t,he issuing of foundland and may attach conditions licences and sett-ing conditions for -the to ,the licence with respeot to operation of the plants. And may I add the final sugges~i'On menltno-ned by (a) -the operation of -the plant; the Honouir-a1ble Minister of Provincial (ib) the processing of Vhe ,whales; or Affairs the other day a-bout the slaugh - tering a-nd processing of whales wibhin (c) the sale of products of t'he plant the !bounds of 'humanLtarianism. The 950 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Minister sug,gested t'ihat in view of •t'he MR. BROWiN'E : Mr. Chairman, I !bad ·pU'blioi-ty we re·ceived •in England horpe rt-hat •the Pre-mier reg,ards this lbecaiuse o'f certa-in ,writings and pictures with some seriousness. vV-hen we make and films aibout ·dhe shooting of seals proposals here we are doing our duty t•hat bhe Government should -ta!ke great as JegisJ,ators, and ,I ·hope we wiH lbe care to see ,t1hese ,pothead whao!es and con,iderecl lby some people as 'laking min·ke whales are ~laughtered in the ~he legislation ,that is introduced here most humane manner. Now, Sir, it seriously, and not lbe laug,hed a,t and seems to me ,to be a very serious de ridiculed. pa,Jiture ~rom the elements of justice MR. SIMALL WOOD : Mr. OhaiT ~hat bhe Lieutenant-Governor -in Coun man, we do not like being lectured, cil should take into i.ts hands to give especially by the honourable memlber. one man a lricence and refuse tt to another. And •I am afraid we mus-t MR. BRO\o\.cNE : 'It is ,a pi-ty some uphold the ,principle tiha:t th1is 5'hould one d•id not lecture the ,Pnimier when ibe clone by regubtions, something he was a J,it,t,Je boy and ,lrup 1his :hack everyone would kno:w i,f -he had some side. right •to apply or not and have some idea w-hy he was refiused, •and not have MR. SMALLWOOD: T ,ha,t is what it done in this secret ,manner. you need now. MR. CHAILRIMAN : MR. IUCOINS : DJvi MR. HOLLETT : No. MR. SMALLWOOD : "Especially." ,MR. SMAuLWOOD : Mr. Ohair MR. BROWNE : Yes Especially. man, •I rose to a point of order. MR. SMALLWOOD : IMr. Ohair- MR. HOLLETT : 'I am speaking to man, I would ask for a iwithdra;wl of -that poi-not o,f order, Mr. Chairman. I bhat. What does the honouraible mem suggest my honouraible colleague on be1· mean? my right is enl!itled ,to his opinion. He has not passed an opi-nion on any parr 1MR. ,BROWNE : mean ,it MR. S!MALLWOOD : 1I demand it, s'lmuld get up here and vote against Mr. Chairman, that is my right and I tihis ,provis-ion rwhi:ch provided for it'he demand it. Gove1mment to issue, ad hoc to any individual ,that comes along a 'liicence MR. OHAIT:RcMA MR. CURTIIS: Centainly a man has MiR. OHAIR!MAIN: Is this Clause knowledge of t'hese. carried? MR. HIGGINS : The legislation MR. ·BROWINE: No. lays down a blanket penalty, whereas each man in different sections may On motion Clause carried. have dilfferent cJOnditions. Still you Clause 7 read and carmied. say, irrespect1ive of ,what -the conditions are, eaah is liaible to a uniform pen,alty. Olause 8 read : MR. CURTIS : The conditions are 8. T1his Act shall come into force 954 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS on a rla,te to lbe fixed by proclamatfon MR. HOLLETT : 11 think 11 have o'f the Lieutenant-Governor in Coun'Cil. said enough. I am tired of hav,ing people jump dorwn my tluiOa•t. Mr. MR. HOLLETT: Mr. Oha,irman, Ohainnan. on this pal'ticular Vhing, I rwas think ing of a person who manufoctures ma On mot.ion Cl,acuse 8 ca1,ried. terial, like United Cotton iMms, LimJited. Have they got to get a M'Dtion, rthat the Committee report 1i•cence? 'I'hey are a compa,ny to which having passed the BiII rwiVhout amend ment, carried. we granted a loa,n. MR. S:MJ\JLLWOO'D : Mr. Chafa- •Committee of rbhe ,vhole on Bill, "An Act Ful'ther to Amend ,the Water man, what Se•otion are we on? and Sewerage Co11porntion of Greater MR. OHAIRJMAN : -Clause 8. Co-mer Brook, Act, •195'1." MR. 9MJ\JLLWOO'D : What is the MR. BRO,V:NE : 1Mr. Cha:Lrman, rl relevancy to Vhis Clause? wonder if the Mi,nister of Municipal AJflfairs and Supply could ,inform us if MR. OHAIIRMAN : That Clause this -is arffected lby rl'he Bill passed •the says nothing albout cotton mills. other day deaJl-ing ~vith ,amalgama,tion? MR. HOLLETT: Well, Mr. Ohair MrR. CURTIS: 1N:o. 'lot is a dif man, 11 suppose rI can refer to cotton ferent c011porniton altogether. But mi!lls or any other kind oif mills, I bhere is power under •bhe new Act to suggest 'here, any industry on •which Lake this over. the country is goiing to advance up to ,twenty-six millions of dollars. rlt On motion Clauses I and ·2 ca1,ried. startes it ,is going to come i,nto force on Clause 3 read: a "Certain date, and alf-ter t!haot date no body else 'Can eng,age in t:hart business 3. The said Act is further amended w1thout the consent of the Govern by inse,11ting ,immediately after Seotion merut. 45 as Section 45A bhe ,~ollmving: "45A.- (1) Every owner of vacant MR. SMAIJIJWOO'D : Mr. Chair man, •the thonou1·afble gentleman ,is now land •~he nearest lboundrary line Olf iw:hi-oh •is situated wi,tliin bW'O ,hundred deaTly discussing t,he principle olf !-his feet of Bill. ,It is highly out of order. (a) •the pipes of the rwater system; or MR. CHJ\o]RMAN: You could sug Cb) the piipes of ,the sewera,ge system, gest sonre ot!her daote or reason. shal'l wihether or not such land -is used MR. HOL1LETT: 11 ~vas going ,to for any pu11pose or is connected wiith do ,tha,t, ,\f,r, Ohainnan. ei,bher of those systems rbe J.ialble for wa:ter rates and assessments and sewer MR. CHA:IRJMAJN: Would the hon age rates and assessments re&pectively ourable genrtleman please cease •to to lbe ,Fixed and es•talblished in accord speak while the Chair is speaking. It a,nce with sub-sect•ion (4) olf Section 33 is very difficu!lt for the Ohair to speak and S'ha11 pay all such rates and assess i.f Vhe honouralble genitleman is going to speak also. ''When lhe Chairman is ments aJt ~he times and ,in the manner speaking every ovher honourable gen prescrilbed under that sulb-section. tleman :is silent. The Honourable (2) For •Vhe purposes of this Section Leader Olf othe Opposition may resume. "va•cant land" means land on which HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 955 there is not a house or other building ject to correction, lbu•t ·I -think tJhe ans and w'h•ich is not comprised rw,ithin the wer is no. curtilage of a ,house or other lbuild1ng." MR. BROWNE : In Dhe Ciity Coun MiR. CURT-IS : I think my hon- cil there -is. 0111able friend suggested ·rhe other day, and •the Government is willing to ac MR. OURTIIS : fifty ,per cent, is it? cept, an amendment : "E,yery owner MR. HIGGIDNS: l!f you noti,fy ,the of land vacant that •is accessible to a Coundl that die laind •is vacant. street. Motion -that bhe Commi~tee report MR. HOLLETT: That makes sense. progress and ask leave to s,it a,gain, MR. HEF•FER TON : In eXJplana carn,ied. ~ion of that, Mr. Chairmain, may I say: Gommiittee of Vhe Whole on Bill, As I pointed out uhe ot'her day ·the St. "An Act Fur•t'he,r to Amend ,the Local John's City AGt ·has got limitations Au,tho11ity Guarantee Act, '1952 :" just the same. It does not specify the distance. In the vVater Company of Clause I read : Ca11bonear and Ha,r1bour Grace the dis 1. T·his Act may he cited as The tance is s,pecified and laid down a-t two Loca·l Authority Gua-rantee (Amend hundred yards, not ~wo hundred feet. ment) Act, 1955. MR. BROWNE : Could ,Uh e Minis MiR. HOLLETT: .Mr, Ohai11man, ter say whether it was ever enforced may [ ask if tlhere is any other loaned Only yesterday LI got a Jeter from the to these -towns previously or is this residents on the S:ou~h ~ide, outside -the first? >[Jhe oity limits, who desire to have the water !brought a'long the Soubh Side by ,MR. ,HEFFEiRTON : Fortune, as -thei,r pwpe11ties. The ·cost is S25,000 -bhe ,h'onoura;ble mem1ber knows, is an just to brLng it along •thrnugh ,the extein5ion of services. street right in front df ,t•heir proper MR. HOLLETT : Wha,t ds the ties, and rhere are not very many amount. people even two hundred yards away could lbe made •to share in ~he cost oif MR. HEF.FERTON: 1lhe ,prevfous, tha,t, 11 imagiine •these people would I believe, was some Sll0,000, 1 am not feel very badly as it is no benefit to qui•te su.re. 11 would have to check on them at t:his d-istance. I imagine it that. would cost something in the neigh Clauses 1 and 2 carnied. 'bourhood of S20 a foot to extend it for six hundred feet. Motion, Dha•t the Comm~t-tee report MR. GURTIIS : 1 •!!hink, M•r. Chair having passed t•he Bill rwithout amend man, that Seotion might stand. ment, carried. MR. HIIGGINS : Miight 'l ask, M.r. On motion the Commit Agreement w~th British New1fcnmdland CouPt. St. Sw,ithins Lane in the city of CoI1pora,tion Limi•te OF TiH'E F11"RST IP A!RT; NOW T \H!IIS DEED WITN'ESSETIH as B-ritish Ne,~1found1and .C01,poration follGWs : Lim,i-ted, a Company incorporated un 1. The prov,isions uf ,the Principal der ,rhe faws of Newfoundland (here Agreement shall lbc amended by delet ina,£ter called "-the Co11poration" which ing Clame 5 (11) and (2) of Dhe Prin exp.ression shall w1herever the contex,t cipal Ag,reement and sulbstiituting so admits includ•e ,the Co11poraotion •its therefor t1he following: suibs,idfaries and assigns) "5.- (I) T,he ,Co•11pora,t-ion shall sur OF THE SECOND PART; render to the ·Government on or !before a,nd 31 Decemiber 195'8 a part or parts N. M. RoDhschild & Sons of New (,which sha'll •be selected lby the Cor- HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 957 pora~ion) comprising not less than upon its being approved and confirmed 15,000 square miles of ,the area leased lby the Legislature of Newfoundland. to i>t u,nder •pa·ragraph (a) of Clause 3 IN 'WHTNESS WIHE'R'EOF Riis Hon hereof (as amended lby t1he Firs-t Sup• our •the Lieu,tenant-Governor in Coun plemental Agreement) and on or cil has caused ·rhe Great Seal of vhe before tJhe expiration of each of t'he Pmvince Olf Newlfoundla,nd to be af two consecutJive .periods of five years fixed ihereto ,and has &igned these suibsequent to 31 Decernlber 1958 the presents and N. M. Rorhschild & Sons Conp'orat-ion shall surrender a further •has execu•ted these presents and the par.t or par-ts coffilprising not aess than Common Sead of British Newfoundland 8,000 square miles of such area: Pro GonporaLion Limi•ted has hereunto v,ided that the excess (if any) sur been a1Df.ixed t•he day and year fiirs-t rende red in any one of the pePiods aJbove ~vri-tten. mentioned above over •~he area re qui·re<1 under tJhis suib-clause •to ibe sur By His Honour's Command rendered may be ca,11ried fm1ward to M.inister of Prnvi-noial Affairs. dhe nex-t succeeding period a,nd shall be deemed ,to have !been surrendered SIGINED SENDED A1ND DELilVERED during suoh succeeding period. b)' N. M. Rothschild & ·Sons in the ·presence -of: (2) T·he Corpora·tion s•hall surrender to ohe Government on or ·before 31 TtHE COM,MON SEAL of Bri-~h,h Decem1ber 1958 a pa·rt or parts (iwhich Newfoundland Corporation shall lbe selected lby ,tJhe C011porat,ion) Limited •has hereunto been corn.prising not less -than 3,000 square a,flfixed in -the presence of : mi'les of :the area leased to i•t under paragraph ~b) of Clause 3 heredf (as M1R. BROWNE : Mr. Ohairman, I amended lby the First Supplemental would like to ask ,where the prowsion Agreement) and on or before ,the ex is that sa)'S •t•ha,t they have to su.Prender piration of each oif the two consecutive areas on the 21 Decem!ber 1955. As I periods of five years mbsequent to 31 read it, it ex,tends to December 31, Decem!ber 1958 the IC01,porat•ion shall 1954. surrender a ,further rpar,t OT parts com MR. SMALLWOOD: I 'have al p11is·ing not less Ohan .J,GOO square miles ready explained, Mr. Ohaimmn, ,they of each area; Prov.ided ·that ,the excess ,were in eflfect given a1bout a hundred (if any) surrendered in any one of thousand square miles from •whioh ~hey the periods mentioned albove over the were to ma,ke •their selection of sixty area ,requii-red under ,this sulb-dause to Lhousand square miles. They were 10 be surrendered may :be ·can,ied for-ward ~hey shouJ!d have shed, wi,nhouit this MiR. HOLiLETT : 11,t says here they amendmenit, •in the bwo years together. surrender nineteen thousand squa·re miles on 31 December 1958 this year, MR. BROWNE : 'Well how much acording •to the original a1greement. have they got a,t the ,present time pre cisely, in Lalbrador in Newfoundland? .MR. SMALLWOOD : Whi-ch, but for Dhis amendment they would shed MR. S.MIALIIJWOOD : Sixty bhou a,t ,the end Oif Decemlber this year, ac sand square miles - fofty and ten. cord~ng to bhe original agreement. MR. BROWNE : They ·ha'Ve l!h.e MR. BROWNE : Do I un MR. SMAILLWOOD: There was MR. SIMAIJLWOOD : Yes :they have no need. Tha,t ~vas rm the original that nOIW, fifty and ten. ag.reemen,t. Thait is •\ma·t we are amending now, the o·rig'inal agreement, MR. HOLIJETT : T 1hey were given not last year's amendment. more than that. MR. BROWNE : •I ha'Ve the origin MR. SMAIJLWOOD : No 1they were al agreement !here. not. They were given ,t.he right to seleot from one 1hundred thousand, and MR. SMA,LiLWOOD: Tha•t provides from •th-ait they must shed another for shedding in 1955. That is now 18,000 lby 1958. lbeing amended to 1958. Canied. MiR. -BiROWINE : W•here ,would that co.me in? Mo-tion, ,r~at ,the Committee report M,R. CURTIIS: T•hat is -in the Con having passed t'he Bill •\l'iitihou•t amend solidated Sta,tuites. ment, ca11ried. MR. BROWNE : The original Committee of ~he W·ho~e on Bill, agreement made ,two yeaTs ago in 1953. "An Act ,to Approve and Give Statu- HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 959 Lory E,ffeot ·to an Agreement 'between MiR. OHAJRMAN: !I shall put the t•he Govemment and Frdbisher Llm Agreen1ent as read, and then iwe can ited :" have Vhe disoussion. Clause I carried. MR. BROW.NE : Mr. Chail'man, I iwas not going to ask -the M~ni~ter. I Clause 2 read : have seen no reference ,to any location M,R, SlMArI.JLWOOD : MT. Chair ~vihere •t'hese mines are located. '1t re man, would •the Commi'l'tee be agree .fers only -to latitude and longitude. able to have this taken as read? DR. ROW·E: T•hait is right, !because MR. HOI.;LETT : Yes, it is just as it ·is a completelly u,ninhahited area in well. ([,t is read so quickly no one can Northern Labrador, nol'th of Laike Mel foliow t,he clerk, 'I am quite su-re. vlille. MR. CURTIIS: N0tt supposed to. MR. BROWINE : Could you give us any idea as to ,~he location? MiR. BROWNE : That lbeing so, DR. ROWE : :rt is r,ight •in the in Mr. Cha~mnan, ,1 l!hink we had bebter terior. wait until the end of the Schedule and t,hen lhave a general discussion. It is MR. BROWNE: No11th of Lake Mel pretty hard to put clauses one by one. vi'lle. I would l•ike to ask a question on Clause I there, 1Mr. Chairman. MR. SIPENCER : There is no other way ito desori!be, except 'by laititude and MR. OHAILRMAiN : I would sug longitude, such an a,rea. gest, unless i-t is too boring, ,that t'he ·MIR. :BROWNE: I don't know, but clerk continue reading them, and at I a,m asking ~vhere it is. the end ipu,t the Schedule and have a general discussion. By that time the MR. HOLLETT : Is Vhat a new honouralble memlbers of the Committee lot of land area or is it in 'llhrut land might have ,notes of the points ithey whiioh ~vas included in Vhe original w,iS;h 'lo discuss. agreement? MR. CURTIIS : There is a line left DR. ROW1E : That is .part of 'l'he out on ipage 6, Mr. 'Chairman (1b) 01>iginal agreement. "may be located any~vhere within tihe reserve areas but need not ,be con MR. BROWNE : :Is ~he Govern tiguous." ment sa-tisfied thaJt ,this cornparny car ried ou:t its exploration -in a satisfac DR. ROWE : Mr. Chairman, may tory way . .interrupt. The -res-t of this Act is DR. ROW'E: 1In ,this case it d~d cornpletely if:orma'l, and the same as in more 1than necessary to .Fulfill its re every such A:ot we have ever passed in qui-rements. this GovernmernL, is there any need to read iL? MR. BiROWNE : Mr. Chairman, 'I wonder if ,the 1M1inister could tell us MR. SMALLWOOD : The Opposi what minerals they are ,interested in tion warrts it read. in this area? DR. ROWE : We have read the DR. ROW.E : iit is not a secret by essentia,l clauses 1in the agreemenlt. any mea,ns. They spent $280,000 as 960 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS aga-inst Sl60,000 they had to spend, Clause 1 read : and as a -resu1t it.hey discovered in some I. 'Dhis Act may ,be -cited as The areas Vhere ,were very encouraging Registration of Deeds (Amendment) traces df copper. T1hey found -th.i,t to Act, 1955. wards 1t,he end of their period. MR. l\lR0WiNE : Js ·the AittOTney Clause 2 carried. General going •to drop 1hlis Bill Olf Sales Motion, that the Committee •report Act? T ,he Ilill was hasty? havi·ng passed -~his Bil'J w,1thout amend GUR just rnse the ment, carried : MR. T:rs : I Committee. ,r did not dmp it. Committee of •the Whole on Bill, ,0lauses and carried. "An Act to Amend •the 1Local School I, 2 3 Tax Act, 1954: Clause 4 read : Clause I carried. ,1, T'he said Act is 1further amended MR. HIGGINS : Mr. 0haim1an, the b>y inserting immedfately after Section Minister is not here. I •wonder can 27 as Sections 28, 28A and 2BR ~he anyibody -advise me - I rememlber on following: second reading asking the Minister 28.- (1) The Attorney General of whethe~- t1here had 1been any request •the provtnce may at any time order from anybody in ~he St. John's Muni the Registrar ci-pal or any school hoard 1in 1bhe muni cipaHty to ha,ve the cioty of St. John's (a) -Lo make reprnduotions in fac included in the aip.pili-ca,tion of this simile of any deeds or other Act? He did not tell me. Could the documents despositecl for regis Minister give me any infonna•tion on tration at ,t,he Registry instead it. of copying -transcripts of the originals as pmvi,led ,by Section MR. HEFFERTON: Why leave it 23; or out. 'It is only a permissive Clause. And a,ccording to certain t hings !I have (b) to replace existing books of ·Vhe heard, unofficially it is -true, ,there is Registry lby -reproductions in a possi1bility some of -the school 'boards facsimile, may sometime make such a request. and mbject to -this A·ct the Registrar MR. HIGGIJNS : That is why I shaiJI cause all such reproductions in asked rhe Miruister at second -reading. facsimile to 1be ,made ,in such manner and to such extent as may be pre MR. I-IEF-FERTOiN: I have not scri1bed by the order. heard officially. MR. iHIIGGILNS: i see. (2) A reproduction in facsimile may lbe made unde•r sub-section (1) by any Clauses 2 and ·3 Gal'ried. photogra,phic, mecharuical o·r chemical Motion, iliat ithe Committee creport process or by any other process what - having passed •t•he Bill without amend soever, approved :by -~he Aittorney Gen ment, carried. eral o'f the province. Commi•Hee of the W·hole on Bill 2BA.- (1) For l'he pm,pose of making "An Act Furthe,r to Amend the Reg a reproduction in facsimile olf any istration df Deeds Act:" deed or other document desposited for HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 961 regist·ra•tion in the Registry or of any and 5 come into etFfect on a date ,to be of ·the 1books of the ,Registry, the Reg fixed, ,the rest come in automatically. i~trar may cause the binding vhereof to lbe removed and the pages ,to be MiR. BROWNE: It g,ives you power separated tbut as soon as t1he •reproduc to do certa.in ~hings? tion is made, he shall cause every such MR. CURT.16: Yes when we have deed, other document or 1book to 'be the necessary equipment. All the ,rest restored as nearly as ,possilble to •~ts of the kot comes into effect except origina,! condition and shall attaoh to Sect-ions 2 and 5. the deed, ot·her document or book his cel'tifica,te t·hat it ·has 1been so restored, M,R. ,BROWiNE : it is a big respon- and •the certificate shall be prima facie si:bility on you. evidence of 1lhe mat-ter so certified and MR. CURTII.S: Terrible. of the appointment and signature of t·he Registrar. On motion Clauses 4 and 5 carried. (2) The va1idity of any deed, other Motion, that ,the Committee report document or ,book, the binding of hav.ing passed the Bill without amend which 'has •been removed or the pages ment, canied. df which have lbeen separated in ac cordance wiith su•b-seotion (1) s'hall not Commlittee of the •Whole on Bill, be deemed to have lbeen affected in "An Act ,Respecting the 1Paymen-t of any way by the ,removal of •t,he binding Bounties on ,t1he Coostmction of Fi~h or the separation of the pages. ing ships:" 28B. The reprodultion in facsimile Clauses I and 2 carried. of a deed, other document or book Clause 3 read : made -in accordance with Section ~8 has ,the same effect, and the provisions 3. - (1) T'he !Lieutenant-Governor of this Act shall apply to an•y su·ch in Council ma-y appoirnt a Director of reproduction as i'f 1t1he reproduction Vessel Const·ruction and 1Inspection was a •transcript of •t1he original made who shall perform vhe duties -which in accordance with Section 23, bnt are imposed upon or delegated to him where any 1book of the Registry is so under vhis or any other Aot or lby the reproduced the original book sha'll Uieu,tena,n,t-Gove:mor .in Council or by nevertheless 1be ·carefuliy preserved." the Minister. MR. BROWNE : On Section 28B (2) The Lieutenant-Governor in there - The reproduction in facsimlile Council may appoint •inspectors and of a deed, ot-her document or book suoh technical .and other assistants as made in accordance with Section 28 - may .from :time to time ihe necessary for does t•ha,t mean •to say, take a photo the administ-ration of ,this Act and they graph? sha~l be re~pons~ble to ,uhe director and perfOl'm the duties ~l"hich are ,im,posed MR. CURT'IS: Yes, I think that is upon or delegated to them lby or under right. ·Vhis or any other Act or lby the Lieu MR, BROWNE : When does Sec tenant-Governor in Council or lby ,the tion 4 come into effect? Not until they Minister or 'by the director. are ready? ,lt does not say a:t any time. MiR. HOLLETT: "Any person M!R. CURTIS : Well itf Sections 2 who intends to apply for •Lhe payment 962 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS of a bounty shall, ,before he 1ays the of light fuel oil .j,f it ap.pea,Ts eXJPedient keel, il!prply to ~he 11VI-inister .for a per 'lo uhe ;\,finister to permit its use in mit to build the shi,p in respeot olf the ship. which 1he intends to apply foT .the pay i\:llR. HOLLETT : Mr. Ohairman, ment." It is qu11te diFficu,lt to know the ·Minister is going to ibe a busy man what ki·nd of a ship. May,be the per and ·he will 'have to s,tudy, 1 srnppose, so,n lays the keel and ·has the s'hip half hlimself in order >to quali.fy himse.Jf 'to bui:It and did no'l know anything about carry out ,t'hese provisions rnp •there. this, •he could probalbly he deprived Definitely it must lbe ,the M-inister who of the 1bounty. does t'hat. Nobody else can do i-t. MR. KEOUGH : ThM is requ-ired MR. KEOUGH: We'll, Mr. Chair in the old Act, and is •~here for the man, the administration of that Act, puPpose af ena:bling bhe ,inspector to in ,that respect, is purely technical, see all the otirnlber going into oLhe s•hi.p. and ,1 am going to depend on the ad - MIR , BROWNE: Mr. Chalirman, I vice ,of my vessel constntction aTI'd WO'll'ld -draw attention •to the qualifica marine engiineer and naval architect. tions of an individual. He must 'be [,f in my own rig1ht II am not perfectly a·t least ,a Bri~ish suibjeot and also a qual'ified he is - tha,t is w'hat •it boils partnership 'COmipany. Now [ have do,wn to. dra,wn a~tention before to the fact that a person may !be a British sulbject and Carried. noit a Canadian citizen. So you see you may have a gl'Ourp of people here Olause 9 carried. not Canadian dVizens Clause 10 ,read: MR. CURT 1IB : EveTy Canadian 10.- (l) Sulbject •to this Aot, t'he citizen is a •Bri•cish sutbjeot. Minister s'hall pay ibounties under ,this MR. BROWNE : ,I have no objec Section oniJy in ,re~pect of ships tions •to i-t. 'ln that way you could (a) whi-ch the owners or appl,icants have a couple of :people ,here from for permits undertake in Wt'iting 1 Jama,ica W:ho are not Canadian citizens -to use mainly in the fisheries of !but British stilbjects and would be en Newfoundland for a period of titled to this. ,five years from the date of is MR. CUR'111S : 'l :looked t1ha1t up sue by the director of the cer the other day. ,tificate referred 'LO· -in Sec~ion 12; Clauses 4 ,t'hrOIUg'h 7 car•ried : (b) ,w'hioh are of a type and struc Clause 8 -read· : ture sui talble in the op-inion of 8.- (l) Su'bject to sulb-secdion (2), the Minister for use in vhe fish every ship builit under a permi,t shall eries of Newfoundland and lbe equ·i,pped wi-th a new engine which (c) for ,which t'he Mi'l1'ister has is is oif diesel type and rwhich the Min sued a p ermit aifiter the passing ister 'b:as .tppmved for insta'1'la-tian in of t1his Act. the &hip. (2) A ship built under permit may (2) Srnbject ,to sub sectiion (3), the •be fatted with an engine w:hich is mot Minister shall pay a 1bounty of one Olf diesel type but is ada,pted for use hundred ;md six-ty dollars a ton up to HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 963 one •hundred and ,fi!fty ,registered gross issue of the certificate lby the direotor tons upon sh1ps of not less dian t'lvelve under Section 12 sclls the sh1p to a tons under deck builJt accordoing ,to purohaser not ma,inly engaged in Vhe the ,regula•tions. fisheries of ,Newifotmdla,nd or for pur poses o~her ,than use mainly in those (3) The Lieutenant-Governor in fisheries or allo;ws t•he ship in his own Council may, by regulation, rpermi,t the hands or in •the 'hands MIR. HOLLETT : ,I am .rfraid Lhere (cl) prescrilbing standards and speci are going to lbe a lot of .fishermen not •fications to lbe met ,in the con going to make applkation ,to •build a stn1•ction of ships under permit; sh1p under these conditions. ,I quite (e) presorilbing bhe cond'itions un agree •the 'bounty is really to increase der which sh1ps lbu-il,t under the value df our fishing fleet and that ,pe1·mit shall lbe bui'1t so as to sort o-f ,thing. ,If a fisherman uses it prov.ide adequate sup,poirt for for some yca,rs and •then decides to •th-em while ,they a,re u111der con seH, itf he sells to anyibody •who -is not struction an Motion, ·that .t'he Committee repor.t MR. COUR,AGE : Mr. Speaker, 1'he having passed t·he Bill wit·hout amend Committee of t·he W·hole have consid ment, carried. ered 1t'he matter to it referred and has passed a Bill, "An Act Respecting Bulk MR. SMALU\,VOOD : Mr. Chair Sales" with some amendment. man, •I move the Committee rise, re port progress and ask leave ,to sit again. On mo~ion -report ,received and adopted. On motion •Bill orde-red read On motion the Committee rose w a Vhird time on tomorrow. report prog-ress : MR. COURAGE: Mr. &peaker, the Mr. Speaker returned to the Ohair. Committee of the W'hole has consid ered the matter to dt referred and has MR. COURAGE: Mr. Speaker, 1'he on other Bi1ls made some progress and Committee of the Whole have consid asks leave to sit again. ered the matters ,to i,t referred, and have ;passed the following Bills without Report received. CommiHee ordered amendment: to si>t again presently. A Bill, "An Act to A,p.prove and MiR. SPEAKER: It !being now 6:00 Give Statutory E.ffect lo an Agreement o'clock II do now leave the Ohair unti'l between the Government and F,ro'bish 8:00 of the clock this evening. er Limited." A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Local School Tax Aot, 1954." A Bill, "An ,Act Fu11ther to Amend WEDNESDAY, A,pril 20, 1955 the Registration of Deeds Act." NIGHT SESSION A BiJ1J, "An Act Respecting the Pay ment of Bounties on t'he Construction The House resumed at 8:00 of the of Fishing Shi,ps." clock. A Bill, "An Act ·Further to Amend M.R. SMALLWOOD : Mr. Speaker, the Education A'Ct." would t'he House indu;lge me to the extent of permi,tting me to table ,the A Bill, "An Act Re5,peoting the Pro answer to a question -No. 10 \by the cess·ing of Pobhead and Minke Whales." Honourable Leader of the Opposition. These are the agreements. A Bill, "An A'Ct Fu11ther to Amend bhe Loral Authority Guarantee Act, HON. G. J . POV17ER (!Minister of 1952." Finance) : 1\fr. Speaker, ,r wonder if you would allow me to table a Teport. A Bi'll, "An Act to Authorize the Lieutenant-Governor in Council to On motion ,reports of t1he Civi,! Ser enter into an Agreement IWhh the vke Commission ,ta/bled. 966 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS On motion the House went in>tO (a) !by deleting the period at the Cornmi-btee o,f the W•hole on various encl of paragraph (cl) df su'b Bins. sect-ion (1) and su!bstit-uting ,therefor a semi-·colon and ·by Mr. Courage Ohairman of Committee adding ,to ,that sub-section as of the ,vhole. ,paragraph (e) the following: Cornmi,ttee of the W1ho1e on Bill, " (e) in a11 action for the Te "An Act to Amend •the Dis,trict Courts ·recove1'Y of land where the Act." value o-f Vhe land claimed Clauses I ,through 4 carried. does not exceed one thou sand dollars." Olause 5 read : ~b) iby inserting in the section im 5. Seotion 16 o.f the said Act is mediately a£ter suib-section (l) repealed and 1the -flol•lQ,wling su!bst-ituted as su-b-sect•ion ('l,A) -uhe follow therefor: •ing: "16. T•he Sheriff of Newfoundlanrl "(IA) .Sulbject to Section 19A, any and his deputies shall respectively per executor or admirnistra•to.r may form a!J duties and, su!bject to the rules olf ·con-rt made undeT this Act, (a) sue or ibe sued in a Dis-tri'C:t ser,ve a-nd execute all writs, summo,n Court i-n like manner as ·in ·t'he ses and orders and aU t1he sentences, Supreme Cour,t of Newfound decrees, judgments, rules, warran~s. land and judgment and execu commands and other process of Dis- tion shall in sudh as in the ldke 1trict Courts throughout ,the province case would 1be given or granted am! shall make such returns together nn the Supreme CouJit; and wiibh the manner of execution thereof ('b) lbe sued lfor the amount or part to suoh coui;ts as ~hey are required lby 01F the ammmt of a d'istrilbutive any 1aw, order or regulation to do in share under an •intestacy, i-f that respect of similar wri-ts, summonses, or amount or part does not exceed ders, serntences, decrees, judgments, one -thousand dolla·rs, or for a rules, ,warrants, commands and at-her legacy under a will not exceed process of the Supreme Court of New ing •in amount or value one foundland." •thousand dol,lars; "and MR. HIGGINS: ,Mr. Chairman, (c) by adding to -vhe section as su,b 1 could the H011ouraible the Attorney sections (4) and (5) Uhe following: Genera,! tel.I me, wil,l ,there lbe a lbali,ff atta<:hed to the -Dis·trict Court in St. " (4) Suibjeot to the provisions of Tihe John's or ~\•o·l1l it be ,the lba,ili'ff? Judicature Act, chaip,ter 114 of The Revised Statutes of New MR. CURT[.S : T'he Suipreme Court foundland, 1952, relating to the looks a,fter ,it in ~t. John's and a su!b assignment of ·ohoses in action, sheriff in Corne-r Brook. every Distl'ict Court has jm·is Ctause 5 canied. diiction in actions -b-rought 'by assignees of ohoses in action. Clause 6 read : (5) Every action, suit, cause or ma,t- 6. ,Section 19 of the said !Act is 1ter tried by a District Court amended judge under ,this Act or aruy HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 967 other Act or laiw of the prov amount, may lbe joimed by Vhe plain ince shall be tried by him with tiff in one action !brought in that out a jury." court, although in the aggregate the several amounts claimed •in respect of MR. BROWNE : Mr. Chairman, I suah •causes of action exceed that limit, was ·wonder1ng what is meant by "Action by or against executors or ad 21D. When in any proceedmgs min1i&trator - may sue or be sued etc. !before a District Com1t any defence as in the Supreme Court." (I wonder or counter claim of the defendent in i,f the ADtorney General has given any volves maHer beyond the jurisdiction consideration as :to how far that would of that aourt, Vhe defense or counter go, or I.he rules rhat are going •to be claim does not affect the co.mpetence drafted ,to cover it. or the duty of the Court to dispose olf the whole matter in controversy so MIR. CURTIS: Actually, Mr. Chair far as relates to the demand of the man, !W'.hile the Rules Commd,t,tee was plaintiff and the defense thereto, but mee,ting I ~Vas engaged up here and no relief exceeding ,~hat which the :have not aDtended the meetings, a!lld Court has jul'isdiction to administer cannot just say how far ,they have de shall lbe given to the defendent upon cided to go. any such counter-claim. MIR. BROWNE : That will be a:11 MR. BROWNE : Can't give judg gone over !before it oomes ,into efifect? ment for more than a thousand dollars. MR. GURT'IS: Yes. MR. CURT[S: No matter hrnv Clause 6 carried. Clause 7 read and much money fa involved, if the amount ca,11ried. is in dispute, •they give judgment un der a of attachment, af possession, of bit unceJ1tain about it even 1in ~he ejectmernt and replevin. Supreme Court. in like case upon the same terms, in MR. CURT,IS: The Rules Com the same order and wi,th t1he same mittee made di.rect ,recommendations eEfect as any such warrants or wri-ts - Judge Dunfield, Bob Furlong and may lbe issued in the Supreme Court Gordon Stirling·. of Newfound1and." Clause 14 carried. MIR. BROWNE : I suppose the Pro Clause 15 read and ca,rried. bation and Rent Contml Act ~vill have to be amended to give .the District Motion, t'hat the ,Committee report Courts ,p01wer arising out of thait, he ha,ving passed -this Bill without amend cause you ,carnniot get judgment unless ment, carl"ied. bhe cou:r;t is satisfied that it is Teason alble -to do so. Committee of •the Whole on J3,ill, "An Act Fu1,ther to Amend the Slum MIR. CURTIS : J: had better check Clearance A,ct." up 0111 -that. Clause carried. Clause 12 carried. Oiause ~ read : Clause 13 ,read : 2.- (1) Section 3 of T·he Slum Olear 13. The said Aol is further amended ance Act, chapter 86 of The Revised by inserting immediately after Section Statutes of !Newfoundland, 1952, is 35 as Section 35'A the following: amended 1by deleting paragraph (a) of sub-section (2) and substituting -there "35A. A ,writ of summons issued out for the .following : of a Disti,ict Court may not be served outside ~he province." " (a) houses to be conveyed upon -the completion of the construc MR. HllGGIINS: The pla,intiff can tion project to members of the elect dn whuch court? society together with such land MR. CURTIIS : Yes . as may !be granted by ~he con - veyance; or" Clause 13 carried. (2) This Section &hall be deemed to Clamse 14 •read : have come into iforce on tihe twentieth day of May, 1953. 14. Sections 37 and 38 of •the said Act are repealed. MR. J3iROWNE : Would the Min ister explain tha·t, iMr. Ohairman? MIR. HJ:GGINS : Mr. 'Chairman, whait is the effect of repealing 37 and MR. HEFFERTON : ,Mr. Chair 38 oif the Act? Does that mean any man, as I explained the other day, it appeals to the District Court will be merely ma1kes provision whereby con by ~1·ay of trial jury? veyance can be made to co - operative societies because the lots are sub MR. CUR'DIS : I think the ap,pear!s divided before they are alloca,ted. are covered in ·other Acts, the Summary Ju!'isdiction Act ,probably. MIR. BROWNE : Oh yes. MR. HIIGGl~NS: They are a little -Clause 2 carried. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 969 Olause 3 read : piece of •land ~vhich has L•wo frontages. But h •is not fair to have •l•wu assess 3.- (1) The said Act is fm,ther menots on t•hat. I am wondering if amended lby inse11ting immediately tha,t is the SOTt of vhing? after Section 29A as Section 29B the following: MR. HEFF1FJRTON: Let us ,take an Hlustration ,to show what we are talk "29B. No~withstand:ing any ovher ing about : ,First of all the honourab-le provision of vhis Act, the Lieutenant men~ber for St. John's ·west referred to Governor in Council maiy revise any a piece of land on which a ma,n is assessment i,mpused under Section 29. cha1"ged frontage but is already a,t whether the assessment was imposed ta·ched to one frontage. As far as •tha-t b!)fore or a•fter the enaotment of this goes, 'he is not able oto use any part of section, the frontage on t·he other pa,rt because (a) lby ,reducing the amount of the under •the municipal regulations he assessment, ,where in his opinion can't, consequently it -is of no use ito the assessment ,is ,coo high hav him at aH. Therefore we .feel :he ing regard to the increase of should not ,par any frontage on ,that. the value of the land resulting Now take another instance. Going to from any development referred Portugal 'Cove a party has a frontage to in sub-section (1) of Section of 52 ·feet, ibut !before tihe improve 29; or ments -wen-t ,throug,h the paPLy had the water main connected ,to her house, (lb) by canceJ.ling t•he assessment, and the pavement and cm,b was put -in where in his opinion vhe land by rhe City Council. There is no assessed was not increased in ,reason ~\lhy she shouoJd have been value :by any deve!Qpment re charged that, yet she had -to ,pay tax-a •ferred to in sub-section (•l) of ,tion on t!he same frontage as if she Section 29." were lbenefi.tted 1by all ,uhe services (2) All of uhe provisions of this Act which applied in certain other seotfons. relat•ing to an assessment imposed un Therefore oI ,think there shou.Jd 'be some der Section 29 s·hall a,pp,ly to any re variatoion in the amount to be charged vised assessment made under -this Sec for di,fferen t people along t•he road tion as iof ·the revised assessment was depending on how much service is an assessmenot made under Section 29, a·vailalble. but the .revised assessment sha'11 lbe MR. BROWNE : I suppose the substituted ofor uhe origina'l assessment, thing to do is ,lo take it up wi,bh the a,nd when an assessment is cancelled Mdnister of Municipal Affairs and let under this section, •the olbligation of each case lbe dea'1t ,with on ,its own the owner of •the land to ,pay it is dis merit? charged and ·t'he l•ien on t•he land in respect of i,t is released. MR. HEF•F1ERTON: Yes, but have a worked out 1basis of value, which I MoR . BROWNE : Mr. Chairman, -vhink will be acceptable. We would this is a very wide provis-ion. 1 won •have to take it up, too, with ,the Ex der if the Minister could ,tell us exactly ecutive Council. They have given what he ·has -in .mind, if there is any permission. T,hey are agreeable ,to the particular locality to which he can re new assessment. fer. ,I can 1Jhink of a piece of land noiw over a few thousand dollars on a Clause carried. 970 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Motion, •bhat the Committee rnpart No. 59 of 1953, is repealed and tlhe ha'Ving ,passed the Bill writhout amend fol'1o,w ing suibstitu:ted therefor: m·ent, carried_ "(1) A trustee may, under the Commi,ttee of the 'Whole on Bill, powers of this Act, invest in any of "An Act Further to Aimend the Trustee the securit•ies mentioned or referred to Aot." in paragraphs (1) to (7) of Section 2, notwithstanding that the same may Clause canied. be redeemable and that the price ex Clause 2 read : ceeds the redemption vailue." 2. Section 2 of The Trustee Act, MR. HIGG,INS: Mr. :Chairman, chapter 166 of The Rev•ised Statutes would ,the Honouralble the AJttorney of Neiwfounc]lland, 1952, is amended General ex,plain tha,t? by stribng out ,paragra•p'h (5B) as MR. CURTIS: Well it means that enacted 1by ,t,he Aot No. 59 of 1953, tihey could -buy seourities at one hun and paragraph (7) and sulhstituting dred and one, for instance, and ma therelfor uhe following: ture a,t a hund-red. " (7) In t•he rbonds, delbentures, de M.R. HIGGIINS: Oh yes. It gives bentm:e sto·ck or other securities of any ~hem 1that ·right. loan company a•pproved 'by the Lieu tenant-Governor in Council. ,MrR. -OURT!IS: Just recognized trustee investments. Sometlimes can't (8) Upon uhe ·£irst .mortgage of land ge,t them at rpar. within ,~he municipal limits of the city of St. John's. Clause 3 carried, (9) Upon fi.rst mortgage of land Clause 4 •read : within the towns of Corner Broook, Corner •Ilrook East, Corner Brook West 4. The Trustee (Amendment) Act, and Curling and ~vkhin any city or 1953, ,the Aot No. 5~ of 1953, is re llllUnici.pality •oonsti•tuted under any pealed. general or special Act to rnplace ,those MR. BROWNE; Mr. Chairman, towns." 'before 'We pass on, I understand tha:t MR. BROWNE: rMr. Chairman, means loan companies -that are char there are a number of loan companies tered in other provinces or loan com doing !business in Otta~va, To-ronto, panies which ,are chartered here can ,Montreal and Hahfax ~vho can now do 1business as ,tmstees, and ordinary come down here and do business. trustees may invest in thei-r 1bonds. ·MR. CURTIS: Yes - 1In5tead of MR. CURT'IS : That is right. going to the Lieutenant-Governor in ,MR. HIIGGJ!NS : None of them Council - 1I1t is a nuisance rhaving should be aHowed in here. They are every second one ·oome -to ,tlhe House. a:Jl bad. Clause 2 oarried. OJ1ause 4 carried. Clause 3 read : Motion, that the Committee report 3. 1Sulb-section (1) of Section 3 of having passed ohis Bill without amend t,he sa:id Act, as amended iby ,the Act ment, carried. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 971 Committee of -the \'Vho:le on Bill, well ahead. They will turn on the "An Act to Approve and Give Statu p01wer this year in July. tory Effect to an Agreement Between Clauses I and 2 carried. the Government and the Union Elec tri·c ,Lig1ht and Power Company Relat Clause 3 read : ing to a Franchise." 2. The sa,id Agreement •is altered MR. BIROWNE : -Mr. Ohairman, (a) lby inserting •Vhe •word "conces- has the Government ·in ~ts possession sions" immediately a.fter the any ,informa,tion the Op:position may words "right licences" •wherever see in regard to this. For instance, a they appear in Clauses, 7, 8, 10 report of the water power Vhey are and 1'5; and developing or any informa,t-ion as to eXJpansion being made, or various mat (1b) by su'bsti-~uting the plan con ters up to the present time? tained in t,he Schedule •to this Act and marked "A" for ~he :\IR. SMALLWOOD : 'I believe pfan or diagram atro-ched ,to uhe have in my files -the report of ~he Agreement at the time of its P01wer Corporation of Canada, which execution, and the Agreement they made for -tihe pm;pose of checking shall rbe read and construed as on and possilbly confiI11ning anothe, H the alteratrions provided by report made by Commander Desha-rats. rhis sect-ion had been incorpor I ,b e!,ieve I had them both lbefore rwe ated in the Agreement a,t the agreed to guarantee these bonds. We time 01f its execution. insisted that the survey be confirmed by a reputable and separate company. 11·frR. BROWNE: What is ~he effect They asked •i'f the POl\ver Co11poration of the inserition of these ~vords. of Canada would be acceptaible. I MR. CURT!lS: I think they were told them i.t -would. So vhey brought just lef,t out in the printing. in that corporation to sun,ey trhe water power in question, and that coripora MrR. BROWINF. : W,ha,t is the plan tion did confirm vhe survey a.Jready referred to? made. I believe rI have rboth reports MR. CURT-IS: We have a plan. in my fi.les, or possi,bly they have gone to the Attorney General's office or MR. BROWINE : Could we see it? possibly to tlhe Minister of Mines and MR. OURTlIS: Yes. 11 have not got Resources. But I am prepared, if they it here. Actua:Uy I think the Hon are of any interest, to have them ouralblc M-inister of Supply could tell ta·bled, with the consen,t of the com you what the plan is - .ft just outlines pany. -I don't think they would rwit'h lhe scttlcmcnl. 11-t is named in Secti011 hold their consent. I do not vhink my ·1 anyway. produ·ation of these reports s11ould af fect. this Bill, which has passed in Schedule Olames I through 5 car ~econd reading now. ried. MR. BRO'WNE: Has the Govern MR. BROWNE: I kno~v. hut l was ment given any consideration to tihe going to go on J;urther and aS'k wha,t question of successors - How does that progress had 1been made and ,how far stand at the present Lime? Are there have they gone? only two members o:f the Commission MR. SMALLWOOD: They are now? 972 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS MR. SMALLWOOD : 'l~ha,t is all. MR. BROWNE : ii wou:ld like to We have it under consideration. ask the Minister ,j,f this is an old rwork ing under a new name? Clauses 6 through 14 •can,ied. DR. ROWE: That is a very large MR. BROWNE : W,h,a t is done a1,ea, corn,pamtively large, wihioh was aibout Uhat? part of the Falconlbridg·e agreement. MR. &MA,L1L,~TOOD : I don't know Roug'l1ly :the north eas,terly ha11f of the i,f they have been required to do any Falcon:bridge concession a:rea. thing. MIR. BROWNE : I'l is not Gull MR. BROWNE : Have they been Pond? requi-red to lbuil Clause 15 carried. MR. HOLLETT : IHow many square miles? MR. BROWNE: Clause 16 reads a libtle a:wkwaroly, ,1 think. DR. ROWE: That area ~vould lbe upward of one lhousand square miles. MR. HOLi.JETT: I suppose under MR. BIROW,NE: Is not PiHey's rhis AGt there is ample ,provision agiainst the sudden raising of rates to Island private prope11ty? pea.pie? DR. ROWE : Part of ,it yes. MR. SM,ALLWOOD : Not under :M1R. BROWNE : How Jong did ,vhis Act. This Act fa,ings Vhem under Fai!conlhridge have tha ti' t'he Public Utilities Act. DR. ROWE : "nliree years. MR. HOLLETT: Apparently some thing ,went wrong in connection with MR. BROWNE : Did t'hey spend the other company. much money there? MR. Su\,J,ALiI:WOOD : They spent MIR. SMALLWOOD : No. T,hey close to a mi,Uion dollars. were a whole year trying ,to get their rates increased. 'Dhere ,was nothing MR. BROWNE : Prospecting? sudden about tha1t. MR. SMALLWOOD : Yes and dia Clauses 16 t1hrough 19 carPied. mond drilling. They have had more On motion Schedule carried. ~han one. Motion, th01t t'he Committee report MR. HOLLErr : Tthis gentleman, having passed this 1Bill wi,thou'l amend has he a new process? ment, carr.ie Clauses 1 and 2 can-ied : MtR. HOLLETT : The general im- HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 973 pres.sion was tha-t t1he Falcon1bridge MR. SMALLWOOD: He d·id not see 011 tfit found not1hi ng. an) ~hing. He went home again. MR. Si'vIALLWOOD: Fakonbridge's MIR. RROWNE: though you time and ,atterntion and most of their threatened to shoot him. money have become very heavily pre MR. S,M,AJLLWOOD: We practical occup,ied ,in ot'her direct.ions, in -line, l ~hink with ·the U.S. Mfoeral Procure ly framed him and ,Pll'I II cal'pet under him. 'We sent an aircraft to take him ment Org,miza,tion of the United up ,to the Southern Shore and bring Sta,tes Goveniment. him 'back, and did every~hin:g in t'he Clauses 2 •through 4 carried. wor.Jd for ·him. He was a Newfuu-nd lander 1b)' the way. A feHow .from t•h e Clause 5: Southern Shore, from l\l•it!ess Bay, who :\,fR. BROWNE : Is there a system I ,thin1k J.ived for twenty years around of accounting whereby people who get Toronto. He was ,the only one in ten concessions like this have their hills years. certilfied? GJ.auses JG througih 21 carried. DR. ROWE: They are inspected IIIotion, that the Committee report both by ,rhe Minister's starff and the having passed the Bill wi'l'lmut amend auditing stafif. ment, carried. Clauses G through 15 can,ied. Commi,ttee of ~he Whole on Bill MR. BROWNE : .May l ask if pri '"An Act to Establish t'11e Ci•ty of Cor vate prospectors can go out now any ner Brook and Ot,her l'u11poses in Con place prospecting nection Therewith." MR. S.:VIALLWOOD : On Crown C:lause 1 through 5 canied. Land, yes . H he makes a strike he can come in and register his claim. Clausi 6 read : DR. ROWE : He has tbe right -to 6.- (I) The First Council shall t,ake stake a claim on any Crown Land. of:fice on the fi.rst day of January, 1956, The position is nut chang·ed in that and on that day al1I the property and respect. There are not many pros money and other assets of the ,towns pectors. and councils of Corner Ilrook ,-vest, Corner !\rook Fiast and Cur-ling shall MR. BROWNE : There is not much vest in the Council mid on that day Crown La11d . -the Co unciiJ shall assume ~nd may ex MR. SMA·LL·wooo : This is a sys ercise all t1he rights, powers and duties tem we have brought in !because we and shall lbe charg·ed and carry out all had no prospectors ,in Newfoundland the obligations of those C:uuncils, in the last years except one, not one 1,housand •but just one man. :lfR. HOLLETT: I thought there were four uhere? Is -there not another DR. ROWE : Tihe pro~pectors - four of them II thought? never opened their mouths unt•il we started to lease ou,t - MR. SMALLWOOD : Yes. MR. BROWNE : 'Wlhat •happened to M1R. HOULETT : ,11 is not men. !rim? tioned ·t1here. 974 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS MR. S:MA,l.JlJWOOD : There is a for -w1hich no provision or inadequate reason. provision ·has :been made. MR. HOLLETT : What •is the rea (2) Regulations, rules and resolu son? tions made lby the Councils of the t01wns of Corner Brook 'West, Corner MR. HEIF,FER TON : Townsite got Bro~k East and Curling and regula a council under ~heir own Act. tions made under ·01a,use 34 of the MR. HOLLETT: Yes, 'but arJI the agTeement forming -t'he Schedule to propeny, money and assets of the ithe Bowater's Newfoundland Act, 1938 towns and •coundls of Corner Brook - shall remaoin in force for 1the area i,n respect of which they •were made and M,R. SMALLWOOD : Suppose we the Council may pass it and revert to it? (a) revoke them; or MR. BROWINE : ,l!f -we pass H - (b) 1alter or a,mend them within ~he MR. SMAil.JLV✓ OOD: We can re regulatory power given lby ,the vert to i-t ·before we raise the Com ,Local Government Act. mittee. MR. CUIR T,IS : ,I -~hink we ought Clause 6 carried. to add 1, 2 and ~ "regu'lations made under ~his section," or a.fter 2B mither, Clauses 7 through 9 carried. just 'before the Schedule - "Regula Ola,use 10 read : Lions made under this section 11ha'11 have effect from ,the date of pu'blica 10. W·hen t·he Coundl takes oflfice, tion in ,the New.foundla,nd Gazette and Clause 34 of the agreement forming in one other newspaper pub1ished in ,the Sohediule to the Bowater's Ne:w the ,area." foundlland Act, 193·8, sihall not apply to any paI1t of the areas descr~bed in Clause 15 as a-rne.nded, carried. Schedules A and C. Schedule carried. MR. BROWNE: Wha-t is tJris pro v,ision, Clause 34 of Bowa·ter's Act. MR. SMALLWOOD: The Minister Clause 34 gives Bowater's a right to has expla-ine MtR. ff0FFERTON : T:hat is right. Motion, ·thal -~he CommiHee report 'Ilhat takes care of t,he omissions in having passed the Bill with some amendments, carried. Clause 6. CLauses 10 ~hrough 15 canied. Committee of the Whole on Bill. "An Act to Confirm to Bowater's Cl,ause 15 read: Newfoundland Pu1p and ,Paper MiUs LimHed Cer-tain Rights and Powers." 15.- (1) The Lieutenant-Governor in Counci'l may make suoh regulations Clause 'I carried. as he deems necessary or desirable for Clause 2 read. carrying out :the provisions of •th'is Act accordoing to their •true intent and 2. For the ,pm1poses of this Act, meaning or for supplying any defic w'here a company ·holds or controls a iency therein or for dea;ling wi~h cases majoriity of the issued shares (carry- HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 975 ing under all circumstances fuH voting nected ,with •the works or operations of rights) Olf anollher company, ,bhe first l both the paper company and tihe :\•IR. BROWNE: Only what are power company. These people also passed over. nwn l'he Tennessee 'M·ills. ;\[R. SMALLWOOD: Do you think MR. HOLLETT : W1ho assumes •the ,parent company mn esca,pe its ~b the olbligations? ligations by giving certain ,t,hings over to the Powe,r Company? Tihey will see i\IR. CURTIS: That is a matter to i,t t'hat this company assumes ctihesc for them -when they make td1e transfer. MR. BROWNE : There is nothing Clause 4 carried. aibou:t •the dbJ.igat•ions here? This Power Compan)' has no obliga-tions to !!he Ola,usc :, read : Government? ,,. M Vhc Power C:0111pa11y acquires MR . CURT·IS: No. As far as we from the Paper Company any of the are concerned they •wi'll have to fulfrl assets mentioned in .u'b-scotoions (1) all O:bliga-toions before it is ,trail'lsferalble. a,nd (3) of Section 3 and undertakes to sup:ply electric power to t•he Pa.per M1R . BRO\•V,NE: \-Vha,t albout the Company, Section 11 of the Aot 14 CommiHee o>f the Whole on Bill, "An Act Respeoting the IProvis,ion of "An Act to Amend ,the Stamp Act:" Building standards." Clauses I and 2 carried. MR. CHAIR:MAN : l think that Bill was passed and held over. Motion, tha·t •the Committee report having passed ·tihis Bi11l wi,rhout amend MR. .CURT!IS: "Regulations made ment, cauied. under this Act Slhall lhave effect from rheir p.uibJ.icat,ion -in the Newfoundland Com,mittee of the Whole on Bill, Gazette or on suoh other day as may "An Act Further to Amend, the Judica be prescribed in the regula-tions, and ture Aot:" all regula.tions shaH ibe laid !before tlhe Clauses I, 2 and 3 carried. Legisliature iwi-~hin fifteen days after ~hey a,re made, if the Legislabure is Motion, that ,1a1e Committee repor-t tihen in session, and if not, ~vit•hin filf having ,passed uhis Bill ·without amend teen days af,ter the commencement o.f menit, carried . the nex•t ensuing session." Mr. Chair Commiuee of the Whole on Bill, man, ·I move tha-t amendment to Sec "An Aot to Amend t•he Election Aot, tion 7. 1954." MR. CHALRIMAN : This 'becomes MR. CUR:TilS: Mr. •Chairman, I Clause 7. suggest bhe ifollow·ing amendment oto On motion carried. Clause 9 Qb) : Delete ,the words ",rhe same candidate or candida•tes" and sub Motion, ,t1hat ~he :Comcrnittee report stituting bherefor: "1!11 electoml dis having passed this Bill with some triots en,tided to return one member amendments, carried. the lbaHot paper marked for each can d!ida,te shall 1be pu,t in separate en Commit•tee of •the Whole on Bill, velopes and in an electoral dis,triot en "An Act fui,vher to Amend' the Wa-ter •ti>lled to run more than one membe1· and Sewernge Corporation of Grea,ter the ballot papers marked for all can Corner :Brook Act, ·195,l." didates s'hall be put in sepamte en MR. OHAIJR.MA,N : This Bill was velopes." considered today, and Clause 3 was In other wonts, lump rhem all to a·llQJwed to stand. geuher, and put •Vhem in an envelope. MR. HEFFEIRTON : There is an MR. BRO'\ViNE: The word "separ amendment to Clause 3 - "45,A - ate" is not needed. Every owner of vacant land whioh has MR. CURT1IS: Yes. lit means access to a street" - tha-t is ,the amend· sepera•te from ovher envelopes. Other ment !brought in earlier. wise they might just be dum,ped into MR. HOLLETT : How does vacant 1 the o~her envelope. land ·have access to a &treet? Olause 9 as amended, ca-rried. MR. HIGGIINS: The Waiter and Motion, •that •the Committee report Sewerage Corporation can figure that having passed otihe BiH with some out. amendment, carried. On motion, clause as amended car Commibtee o>f the Whole on Bill, ried. 978 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Motion, that ,vhe Conunit-tee repo11t MR. BALLAM: No. having passed this Bill wivh some MR. SIMAl..!LWOOD : Have we a amendiment, carried. Factories A<:t? Committee of -the Whole on Bill. MR. BAiLLAM : No, bu,t ,the Vtork "An Aot Further to Amend tihe Boiler men's Comipensa,tion have safety in and Pressure Vessel Act." theiT Act. Clauses I and 2 carried. MR. SIMALLWOOD: We miglht Clause 3 read : ccns•ider making a special Act o:f that. It is done completely arou,nd ,the woTld, 3. Section 4 of the said Act is "Factory A:ot" setting up standa•rds of amended by adding thereto as sub sa1fety. That should not •be Hie duty section (3) ,t,he following: of ~he ins,pector. He ought •to 1be in " (3) Where •there is a conHict be specting them .rechnically. H shouJ'd tween this Act and the regulations a,ncl be a factory inspector's job. any -other Act or regulations ,passed or MR. CHALKER : 'IL is under Work made before or anter the passing of men's Compensation now. this Aot, t•his Act and the regulaitions shall prevail." MR. BROWNE : 1 ,wo.u1ld su1bstitute therefor the following, "An inspector MR. BROW.NE: Mr. Chairman, I when making an inspection shall sat drew aHention before in second read i~fy himself all engines, turbines, fly ing 10 t'he wording otf ~his - "Where ,wheels and pulleys are operated at a there is a conflict between t•bis Act safe speed." and the regulations passed or made before or a.fter the passing of this Act, Now in dealing wi,th Vhe question of bhis Aot and the regulations shall pre safety of workmen employed in the vail." plant then "'h}' not leave •that in, t•ha,t proper guards be inMa.Jled? Do you i\IR. CUR1l!S : Tha,t is obviously mean ·to tell me, i·f he sees a saw buz ll'Tong. 'Dhere is an amendment there. zing arnund wi,t'hout any guard on i-t, Clause 3 as amended carried. and wo.rkmen walking around an ~hat sense the Minister of Lalbour is MR. BROWNE: You -had better ri~t. Trha•t ought not to ibe paDt of come over on this side now. llhe duty of 'boiler inspectors. It ought -to 1be someone else's du-ty. In that MR. SMAl.Jl.JWOOD : No. sense the Honouraible J\finister is right. MR. HOLLETT : Did we not have But if -we pass that amend-men,t as it a case of someone turning a valve on is ·here now, then for a while i MR. BAiLLAM : He could ~ake the Motion, -thait uhe CommHtee report having passed t•h~s Bill wi-th some examination here j,f he wanted ,to qual amendment, carried. •i'fy and he certified. B'llll we have some new regulations coming in. ,'[ Commi•ttee of the Whole on Bill, think, ~vhich will probrubly correct this "An Act ,FuvUher ,to Amend the City of thing. St. John's Act": Clause 6 carnied. MR. SMAUJWOOD : This is right from the City Council. 1It has been Clause 7 : lucked over, I think, very carefully by ~1R. BROWNE: Mr. Oha-innan, ~he memlben;. Could ~ve call i,t 'by whi•Ie on this Act, did ,the inspectors number ins-tead of readin;g tlhe clauses? under this ,Aot in~pcct the !boiler at MR. OHA1IRMAN: think the Holyrood, at Superior R,uitiber Com numlbers might lbe ·ca'1Ied and the side r,,my, 1before i.t was ·instaHed. Could titles read : vhe Minister say ,ohat? Olauscs I and 2 carried. MR. BALLAM: The boilers a-t Holyrood were inspected, yes. Clause 3: Amem:lment. Section 97 . M1R. HOLL:ETT : Could the Min- MR. BROWNE: Two-,uhi-rds of the ister say rwhether the boilers in the nmnlber. That seems ,an ex,traordinary Gypsum -Plant have ,been inspected? provision for a quorum. MR. BALL\1M: I don·t see rhat MR. SIMAILLWOOD : ,Maylbe rhe that has anything to do wit1h ,this here. Deputy Mayor can answer . MIR. HOLLETT: It was a steam ivIR. HIGGINS: There can never boiler, and it 1ble-w out, a.ncl people ,be as small null]iber as that present in were in danger of their lives, and ,the ,the ci,ty. That is a very active Com boiler was down ,for da:ys and days. mittee. 17hey aU seem to be very fond Tlh,a,t wa,; last November. ,r presume o:f meetings. t-he Minister knows all albout it. H haippened in Comer Brook at ~he Gy1p MR. BROWNE: don',t k!n01w, sum Plant. there should be a minimum set there - How many members are on the MR. BROWNE : He does know a•ll Committee? aibout iit. MR. HIGGINS: Nine, MR. HOLLETT : The Minister does not aim ,to answer that question. MR. BROWNE : I think ·iot sounds \Vas it a new machine, could ithe Min absurd, vhat provision, and it fa not ister -tell us? a sensilble provision :for a boa•rd, with all due respects to my honourable and MR. OHAllRM-AlN : The Minister learned friend. ShO'llld there not lbe cannot answer questions unless .tihe a .further examiniation given ,to this, honouralble mem!ber sits down. with ,uhe idea of setting a minimum. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 981 M>R. SMALLWOOD : 1'f ·iit does nol MR. BROWNE : Increasing to nine WOI'k out in pract•ice, they could !bring now. in an amendment next year. HO!W can MR. CUiR '111S: Wlhy not make five we settle thaot now ? a quorum? MR. H[GGJNS : Mr. Chairma,n, there are certain things in -this, in pa1· Amendment, that the word two t•hirds lhe deleted, and t:he word "five" ticular the city ,pm,k •thing, which inse,,ted in its place and •the words .frankly I think of surf.icient impo-rtance "present in t•he city at -t1he -time of to justi'fy this House not hanging up holding any meeting" be deleted, on on thois. That smaU Quitli Vidi Park is a matter of considera'lYle importance mo-tion canied. to ,the city in general partkularly in Clause 5 carried. the east end of the city. Clause 6: Apipointmen-t of board, MR. SIM-ALLWOOD : ,1 would not and delega,toion of powers by Council. say ·Vha•t. I wouid say St. John's. MR. BROWNE : Mr. Chairman, I MR. HIIGGIIINS : I mean St. John's. draw the attention of t•he Attorney l ,t is going to be the park for the General to this section. This is a people in the east en MR. BROWNE: Mr. Chairman, .fidence and some common sense aibout with al'l due deference to the unions this. These ,people down ,uhere, and I and everyone who passed it, 'I say it ~peak as one of them, are not ruthless is incor,rectly drafted. It is not w,ha.t individuals. They are not, ,for in is ,intended. ,I know •tha,t my lhonour stance, as ,bad as members on ,the othe,r aible and learned colleague here on my side of ,the Hbuse are sometimes sup lef,t is partially responsilble >but t>his posed to lbe. goes beyond that, i,t goes too far. The Counci>l s,ha,]] have power to appoint Clause 7 carried. boards and officials for the purpose of Clause 8 ~hrough 10 carr,ied. carrying out the powers vested in the Council under >this Act. ,ff it ·has said MR. BROWNE : Now, Mr. Chair i.n regard to some certain sec~ion such man, tha,t Section 226 - We are going as cxamirning !board bodies and things so fast ,1 could not keep up ,to i,t - like dmt, would lbe very convenient for "Sec~ion 226 of ,the said A•ct as !here t:he councillors •themselves, in faot. tofore amended is ifurther amended by adding to sub-section (3) the fo!Imv MR. GUR'l,LS: I think possibly we ,ing : Any occupier of such building could just put in Uhe ,words "examin premises or part ,bhereof who is or may ing powers" !before ·the word po,wers. ibe aHeoted 1by sudh discontinuance may MR. BROWNE: Would lihat cover pay suoh ~vaiter .tax or instalment what they want? thereof ,to ,the Council and such oc cupier •Shall lbe entitled to recover .by MR. SMALLWOOD : Tihat won't aotion in any court the amount so paid meet >what they want. •by him lfrom the person lia,ble for such MR. BROWN'£ : Well it is put in water tax or instalment ,thereof." there as ,vhe section after this one. The I understand, ,I may >be wrong, i,f Council shall have po~vers to make the tena,n,t paid •the •waiter ,taxes he i.s rules and regulations. This does not entitled to recovery from Vhe landlord seem to be relevant here at a'11 and h)' SU'ing him, is not ·~hat wha,t it goes far beyond what iI assume the means? Council desires. il think i,t should be rc-draf,ted. MR. HIGGIIN~ : 1H II may, Mr. Cha:irman, on this water ,tax ,there was MR. HOLLETT : Can you have it, a,pparent,Jy a misundcrs,tanding ait ·~he relative to prescri1bing and :holding ex •time t>ha,t the tax was >brought in. aminations? MR. BROWINE : It was !brought in iMR. HIGGIINS: Mr. Chairman, b·y the Council surely? sureir vhis House should ·have enoug,h confide.nee in the common sense and MR. HllGGINS : A.nd I wil'l put it, •integrity of those who compose the by the Council, yes. It ~,·as not that City Council to realize vhey are not the Council had •the right to apply going to do any,thing not in the best Vhe taxes to owners and occupiers, and interest of the city. Indeed I say, the very &hor,tly the si.tuaition arose that Ci,ty Council is more closely acquainted American service people \Vlho had or in closer touch whh the people, leases whenby they were proteoted mtire sensitive to ,bhe political pressure against ·payment of any mun-icipal than an'Y memlber of bhis House. I taxes, and I think ·t',he same aipplies to t:lhin:k, Sir, we shou>ld •have some con- Westmournt ·homes, iif 1 am not mis- HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 983 taken. The situation got into such a Give Statutory Efifect to an A!greement hopeless muddle tlhat the Council de Between the Government and Mr. dded lo regular:ize -the position and Joaines Bo ylen." make the ,taxation payaible by •the A Bill, ",An Act to Confirm to Bo owner of t•he ,premises. lln other words, water's New'foun:dland ,Pulp and Paper if I have a tenant in and I have to pay Mills L imited Certain Rights and dou'ble waiter taxes ,r can go to rhe J>o-wers ." Rent Control Board rwhh a certi£icate from the City Oler,k and get pennis A Bill, "An Act -to Amend the Stamp mision to increase my rent 'by ·Vhe Act." amount of ~vater taxes •I have MR. COURAGE: Mr. Speaker, the A Bill, "An Act Fu1sther w Amend Commit·tee of the \'\r.hole have con the ,<\Tater and Sewerage Corporat-ion sidered the maHers to them referred of Grea On motion the House reces~ed for ~wo years ago, I think, he told me that cen minutes. there was something, a move on to try once again to promote the free Mr. Speaker returned Lo the Chair. port proposition. Second Reading of Bill "An Act Re I don't think, Mr. Speaker, there is specting Mortier Bay Development very much need of my •telling about Company Limited" : this great port, ·because I am certain MR. CANNING : In speaking to every member df this House at some the Mortier Bay Development Act, time or other visited there. I would may 1 first be permitted to congrat say, it is one of the finest ports on ulate the Premier for 'his clear, concise this side of the Atlantic. H has deep explana,tion o!f the Act, as we'll as for water, a long shore line. The bay it the masterly presenta-tion which I am self runs inland about -three or four confident has impressed the House. miles. It is about three m~les wide, May I also, a,t the very outset, express and around the shore line there is the ap·preciation of my constituents for quite a good deal of land suit~ble for this measure now before the House. a townsite or for a very large town, As the representative for Placentia 11'hich could easily •take, I would not \Vest, I am most conscious of my limi exaggerate when I say, t:he whole tations in speaking to r,his importanl population of Newfoundland. measure, particularly following the ,vc are all more or less acquainte Mr. Thompson and said : "Wdl, if plans for a model town. He rnent-ioncd this !Mortier Bay .is ·the place you tell the necessity of cen traliza-tion. He us, we ~hirnk we can use it ourselves." planned on centralizing ,Nacentia Bay I ,believe ,Mr, T1hompson did make and Fortune Bay, Lakes, :by the simple prncess of de Great Lakes markets by as much as one veloping a free ,porL at J1fo11tier Bay, dollar ,per ton. This means a saving Newfoundland. \Ye need only look at of •t,wernty million dotlars per year in bhe great contribution of Newfound iron ore alone. In ,addition, the great land as a strategic .faotor in ,time of saving 'by moving our Canadian grain war. The position Newfoundland crop 1by the All-Water-Rou,te would 'be commands as a defensive footm- in t'he •tremendous. cold war being waged nrn\', to realize, To effect this g-rea,t economic ad and appreciate •what we in Ne•wfound• vmvtage, it is only necessary to p,lace land have ,to offer Canada, •tlhe United in proper perspective the fact that our States ,and the world in genera,], by veny .geographical ,position on •t,he sou-th making ,availa'ble .for iJhe peacef.u•l -trade west coast of Newfoundland practically purnu~ts of all n-a.tions of good wiH intersects two lines (1) ,t:he Great to enter and trade wi,ohou,t -restric Lakes, R•iver and Gulf vVater Route, tion, and •wi,~h the .greatest of ease which is a coast,al shipping area and bnmght It might lbe well, M'f. Speaker, in M,R. OANNING : Yes, tha,t is water order to ·beDter a<:quaint memlbers of borne lfrei,ght. the House wi1th some of tlhe prolblems MR. SMNLLWOOD : Seventy mil involved, to quote some \figures •in re lion tons, gard to or related to this great free port project. We are accustomed to MiR. OANNING : When you de considering our nearest national har velop that ,whole a~pect fui,ther, :it wiH ibour as being a large haPbour, •hand• be noted that rni),ways in t1he United ling, as ,it does, close -to ,l:'hree mHlion Sta:tes total six •hundred 'billion ton five hundred ~housand ,tons of shipping miles of freight per year. Lt can be each year on an average. •\Vhen I state safely est,imated that a portion of Uhis t.ha,t there are ,t,wenty-three haribours fast freight movement ,w,il,l, as soon as on the United States side of -the Great facilities are ,provided, move by way o'f La;kes, each one handling more than t:he cheaper water transporta·tion route, t•hree miUion ,tons of freiight, or more rarher ithan ihy the expensJve rail route. tonnage ,than Halifax, you can better lit costs six times as nurch to ,move appreciate the work and study entailed freight by rnils -than it does by water in considering the project of a free transport. p011t in Newfoundland, and to ,what extent rhis projeot of a free port would A few minutes ago, Mr. Speaker, I influen<:e -the ,total ,tonnage of all stated that without Newfoundland, twenty-three Great Lake ports, being Canada might never aspire to ,the in excess of seventy millions per year eminence in world trade to ,which she in the ,uwent,y-three largest poi,ts, and is destined. \Ve suggest, iMr. Speaker, the total. including the smaHer ports that !he implementing of t•h1is A-ct will on the Great La:kes, sweUing the tota:l be a great stdde fornvard for New to close to ninety million tons per foundland, but .it ,will also provide year. Canada and Nm,th Amenicca with a much needed interchange port, a free MR. SMALIJWOOD : That is po11l, ldnking up t:he grea•t industr,ies twenty-three together, -iniward and out and trading cent·res of ,the Great Lakes wa,rd 1bound. Is it in and out or one area of AmePica, probaibly the most way, ,three ,million tons? prosperous a-rea in the entire world today, and, lby 1being in the r.ight geo MR. CANNING: Tha,t is out. graphical position and having all those MR. SMALLWOOD : Outiward things required for a natural develop bound or combined in and out? You ment. say ,tihere are twenty-three pol'ts on the Does it not .follow ,tha;t Newfound American side? land might have, in ,t,Ji,is very instance, the l'.ey to a prosper,ity never before MR. CANNING: Yes, enjoyed in this Island Province? It is M1R. S:\-IALLWOOD : Each hand not necessary :to remi-nd honouralble ling t•luee miUion tons. That is out mem1bers olf thJs House of the import ward and •inward comibined? ance this free port project holds for our .fishi•ng indw,try. 11t goes without MR, HOLLETT : Three million saying that ,the great frequency of tons of what? s'hipping to our free port, to and from MR. SM1AILLWOOD : Freight. 1Js ~he Great Lakes area of Canada and that wateriborne freight? t!he United States alone, wHI engender 988 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS a grea-t trade in our fishery products, land in particular. It TWOuld enaible us for, as low transportation rates become to enlal'.ge -the merchant fleet of our avaifabie, rwe ·can better enter and cap coasta,J services and •to develop an ture •the great prosperous market areas ocean fleet, all to t'he benelf.i't of New right t,hrough ·Uhe middle west of foundland , Canada and' the Uni,ted 5tates. It has ,been a great :pr,iv•ilege and a Already, 1Mr. Speaker, •Uhere has lbeen !high ,'honour, Mr. Speaker, to acid my a grea.t interest dJn the development of voice to ~hat of my Leader in speak this free port enterprise, set of,f in par i,ng ,to this Act. My constituernts joiin ~i•cular 'by ,uwo Trans-Canada rad-io me, :I am sure, in voioiug the a,ppTeoia broad-casts. Tile result of ·t•hese trwo tion we feel, with t-he hope ·tha,t this radio 'broadcasts was, I am .in:forrned, measure, when em1·cled, w,iH ibring to most encouraging. One of t'hese ·re us -in t'he Placent-ia West-'BuPin Penin sults 'I would Like ,to ment•ion at this sula, and to Newfoundland and to -time. In a broadcast last Octolber by Canada in general ,the prosperi,ty whfoh t'he well-known C .. B.C. Commenitator. should follo,w a well conceived plan John Fisher, many commenits came in, of the magnitude of this free port pro aH favoura1ble, from mo&t provinces of jeot, tra,nscenddng, as it does, even in Canada and many of the 'States to ·the tennational bounds, l'l is glo'bal in its sou,t'h. '11 was most encouraging to concept, and reflects l'he greatest cred~t no,te that in almost aU cases mentfon on ,Uhose entrusted w~t:h Lhe carrying rwas made regarding ad,vantages which through of this plan. With the con would a'CCrue and could 'be s·hared by tinued d'irection of our Premier and rhe west, lby a,llowing for ·beuer and Leader, we may •be confident of ·t•he chea1per and fa9ter :hand'ling of grafo eventua-1 res·u~t. through Newfoundland to t:he ma,i•kets of t•he world. MR. HOLLETT : Well, Mr. Speak er, it is not my inten~ion ,to deta,in ,the Manufacturers w!ho -have been con House ve1'y loug ail this la•le hour. I tacted, adjacent to the Canadian and certainly support this Bi.JI, brought iiri A:meuican Great L'alkes area are, with here, in prJnci-ple. ,If I were to voice out exception, in accord rwith ,the idea nuy feelings, or g·o ,j,n to ,them 'in any df shipping through a wor:ld--trad·e free detail, I think ·I .would probably have poPt in Newfoundland. tt> arnive a,t the concluS1ion ,I was a Thius, Mr. Speaker, we •ha-ve before prophet of doom again, lbeoause I have us a measure ~vihich m•igrut well 'be one heard •this Monier Bay !free .port pro of t'he mo&t ,important i'll the develop posi-t•ion preached ever s1n•ce I ,was ,a ing of our !Island Province lbu-t, one lad, and ;tha·t is some years ago now, which is also being welcomed •in other It was the dream of Uhe Late Mr. seotions of Canada and the UnHed T'lmmpson who liOst ·his l'ife in the States. It ,is lbu•i•l1t upOin t'he fund~ Second Warld War on a voyage across men1al thait expanding trade -wi-~h a1'1 from 1here ,to Great ,B-rit•ain. It was a countries of the world can and should dream when ,tJhere was no thought of he the most ef.fective method o'f pro the deBperuing of the St. Lawrence moting peace, -It has already engen River. The dream was that the grain dered good-wiH across Canada and is and ca-ttle of the prairies and central well accepted and reoognized as ,a great Ca,nada be ,brought down •the St. La'W stride forward in ~he d·evelopmen,t of rence and landed in Mo11~ier Bay, Canada in general and of Newfound- w!here t·here would 1be a free ·port, and HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 989 dur1ng the winter months tha,t ,would Now my ,honouraib-le .friend from t•he be freighted a•cross Lo Great Britain District of Placentia West has ~oken and to Europe and goods would be of this dream of a free port in Mortier -brought ba•ck from there and !•anded Bay. Now Mr. •i\fa'oLeaUan of course, is at t•he free port, and ,at wme time or the man who was responsible for the other dul'ing ,1/he year, ,1 suppose duT bus sen1 i-ce !here in St. Jdhn's. He is iing the summer, taken up the river to also the man who, •I believe will be re the St. -La,wrencc. sponsible for the ferry service across to Bell Island. And ·he is a man of I s-a-id it was a dream. It is stHI a achievement, be-0ause he really goes dream. And 11 d'O hope that the good albou,t his Job a-ncl gets some resu-!1ts, people i,n Montier Bay will not •be too very ex-cellent results in some cases. enthused over th.is excellent 8peech dc So we do hope ,t!ha,t whem he gets aot Hvered tonight by •their memiber. Be ua·Hy sta11ted on this Mort[er Bay free cause I Uhink it would be ,much w.iser po11t •Uhat something worthw:hile wm for them and us all to get down ,to come out of it. more ,pra·c~i-cal work a111d let Mr. M•ac• Lellan go ahead, and give him all the I must say thait I mysel'f, proba1bJ.y encouragemenit we can, to develop t•htis Y)ecause of my age, l don't know, or idea of a free port. ,proibalbl•y •it is because ,1 1have been hea.Il1ng of ,this free por•t so many, many 1 have a feeling, Mr. Speaker, t'hjs years, -I must say 11hitt ,I cannot work sessiion of •the House mi,ght •be called up t'he same sort of enthusiasm as my the "Dream Session:· young friend .from t·he DistPict of Pla You wi-11 remember, Sir, there was cen1t-ia West. Nevertheless I am glad a dream resuJ.ting from ,the Forestry tha,t something has 1been done, and Report, a dream of a ot•hird paper mHI ·t'hat steps, appanm,tly, wrn be MR. HOLLETT : No, not lby a MR. SMALLWOOD : And a,11 long shot. Here you ha·ve a very na-rroiw around -the 1Js!a,nd. neck oif wa,ter and the ocean outside of ,iit, and the 1water rushes through M'R. HO.LL'ETT : I am spea,king of here and up 1into ,the s0U1th west, ,we Vhe people I kJnow. These are Lalb used to caII iit, a wide ex.panse of waiter. r,ador and shore f.ishermen. Our fish When ,that !fills up it gradually runs ermen, •Mr. 0ha[nnan, used to ,go out d01wn again. lt may not have any bad on 1Vhe Grand Bank ,in 'bankers. and efifeot on making a port .further out. are sa·ilors. I ,am not saying aU our fishermen are not saiilors. but they fish MR. CANNING : Do you mlind ruf differently on ,the nonh east coast and I ask you another question? ,vhere do in the Stra:i:ts of Belle ,Isle. But up you need t!ret!g·i,ug i11 IMorbier Bay. there you have the fines-t £ishermen in You sa>id it had -to lbe dredged for ibig the .world, I sa,y. And I am qu,ite sure ships? they are not going to be itoo much up MR. HOLLETT : Could the hon set and ~hey are not going to stay home ourable member tell me whait depth of in ~he summer to wait unit,il 1Mr. Ma•c• waiter there is. and ~vhere they are sup LeHan !builds up ,this free port. posed to put ,uhe ha1,bour? No,w tI say these things just to put a MR. CANNING : Yes. approxi sHglhit ,li1t,tle damper on some of ~he mately. dreams that we have here •in ~he House this year. We all knmv, of course, that MR. SPEkK•ER: I really 1th:ink the members on the opposiite side are these are questions for Mr. MacLellan looking forward to some •fun very and not for the Honouralble Leader of s·hortly. the Opposition or the honourable member for 1Pla•cenitia West. MR. SMADLW0OD : An eleollion? MiR. HOLL1ETT : Thank you, Mr. MR. :HOLLETT : You put the Speaiker. 1I don't want ,to go inito de words 'in my mouth. tails. 1But since ithe honourable mem ber 1is so doulbHul of a remark 'I made, MR. SMALLWOOD: Although not pe11hia,ps, 1he ma-y be alble to tell the in the honourable member's mind. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 991 MR. HOLLETT : Something put going boats. I am quite sure you the thought in my mind, as well as want ocean-going •boats to come from the Honourable the Premier's dreams. the Great Lakes to Marystown. You see some dreams are picked up DR. ROWE : No, ·by bogs, and some of the honourable member's dreams did come true by MR. HOLLIETT: You don't. That is reason of the votes. I do ·hope the the first -time [ ihear The position of the Government i, might ll'ell be the case thal you can th.it. Mr. MacLellan, and at my re· store up in Mortier Bay mountains of quest, undertook to promote this free wheat and corn and other grain and port, to revive the idea, to promote cereals and other goods and leave ii. I don't know, quite frankly, what stocks at Mortier Bay, and motor cars success h e is going to have. I do amt trucks and the like, in the open know, as the House knows, that if a shipping season for ferrying around free port comes there it will be a thing the world in the winter months when whose effect on our fortunes as a the St. Lawrence is closed. Indeed people, as a province, would be stu that is a great dream. There is noth pendous. Because either H is going ing small about that dream, there is to be a thing of absolutely stupendous nothing trifling. lt is a great dream. proportions or it is not going to be It may only be a dream. It may never anything. It won't be a little free he realized. But this House is asked port. It won't be a small operation. to give Mr. MacLellan the authority lt will either ,be nobhi·ng or it 1will be ·he needs to pm mote the dea I. Now of gigantic size. It makes you think, shall we give it? I move that we do. when you are told by the honourable On motion Bill read a second time, member for Placentia \-Vesl, that on ordered referrer! to the Committee of the American side alone of lhe Greal the \Vhole House on tomorrow. Lakes t·here are twenty-three seaports, inland waler ports, each handling three MR. SMALLWOOD: Mr. Speaker, million tons of waterborne freight a move the House into Committee on year, a total of seventy million tons, Supply: not counting what tonnage there would be handled by water from the MR. SPEAKER: Leave was given inland-water ports on t-he Canadian i•esterday for this Commiuee to sit side of the Great Lakes. That would again today. I do now leave the Chair. be certainly another thirty or forty Mr. Courage, Chairman of Com million tons. So that on •these ports mittee. at this moment there are maybe MR. CHAIRMAN : I believe that sometimes a hundred million tons. all items on current and capital ac And that tonnage will undoubtedly in count were passed up to page 79 un crease as lhe years and decades come der heading 1444-02 Fisheries Devel and go. If ,it can 1be proven prac opment Authority. That has not been tica I. moneta,rily practical as well passed : That was considered but was as s,trictly practical, -to :bring some not passed. of that freight that must come out MR. HOLLETT : That is on the and down the St. Lawrence, or must Fisheries Authority where we have come out to the Atlantic coast hav the details outlined on page 133. Sal ing reached the Atlantic coast by aries $123,000. What is that made up rail, if a large amount of that ton of? Does that include -the three salar nage must somehow get out into the ies of $2.'i,000; is that correct? open Atlantic-now so far as the water haul is concerned now, as always, it MR. SMALLWOOD: Tha·t is right, can only get out when naviga-tion al yes. lows it to get out on the Great Lakes MR. HOLLETT : What is t,he and on the St, Lawrence-then it other? Staff? HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 993 MR. SMALLWOOD : Yes, staff. MR. BROWNE : Twenty thousand dollars is going somewhere. MR. HOLLETT: What have they got, a secreta.ry or something? MR. HOLLETT: Well, put it down, fifty thousand dollars unac MR. SMALLWOOD: They are counted for in the office of the Fish building up quite a substantial staff. eries Authority. Now the next item, MR. HOLLETT : Could we have Travelling Expenses. I believe we the details on it. were informed a few days ago t,he tra Ye Hing expenses last year were MR. SMALLWOOD: Not a•t this some ,foul'teen ttlmusand dollars, is ~ha-t moment. If the question is tabled it correct? And they expect to do t.ravel will be gladly answered, Next year ling to the extent of ~wenty thousand there will be still more piling up of more next year, apparently. staff. Give us notice and we will gladly table that information. MR. KEOUGH : They will have to on account of increased staff. MR. BROWNE : W·hy did the Min ister come here without that? We are MR. HOLLETT : Could we have interested in everything. any particulars in regard to this travel ling of fourteen thousand dollars last MR. SMALLWOOD: We are be year. I believe I have that though ginning to realize that. in answer to a question. MR. BROWNE : But very slow in Now with regard to fishery demon realizing it. Perhaps the Minister of strations: ,vould the Minister tell Fisheries could help out. He has not us something abou,t t•he general ex very much to do in the department penses of $40,000? since mos-t of the work has been hand MR. KEOUGH : I wonder i-f I ed over to this Committee. might take 2005-01, 02, 03 and 04. All these expenditures will be in this con .\,fR, SMALLWOOD: T ,hat is a nice nection. First of all, the Authori-ty way to get a favour done. Say, you has come to the conclusion, as have are loafing around, doing nothing. other persons of the department, Do me a favour now. tha:t many of -the long liner crews, MR, BROWNE : He ·has not as that is crews presently operating, are much to do as he used to. in need of fu-rther training in hand ling of their gear, particularly in the MR. SMA:LLWOOD: Why not? great amount of gear, in order to in MR, BROWNE: He ·has this high crease their efficiency and bheir re priced Fisheries Development Com turns from operations. IL is proposed mittee to help him out, and to de during the coming year to place a sign the fisheries policy for him. number of experienced long liner Surely he should be able to keep track fishermen and fis·hermen on boats for of the salaries of their staff. Per- a period of two weeks to a month, in haps he does not know. Perhaps the order to give that additional training. Premier does not know. Perhaps no Then the House may remember that one knows. I mentioned before, that fishermen that had been ·building long liners MR. SMALLWOOD: Perhaps. up until now had been greatly influ- 994 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS ence MR. SMAL!)WOOD : 'Not even the MR. HOLLETT : I wonder if the ~ize of a fah--size ,t.ra,p ski,£f. Minister could give us some idea as to what work was done last year in MR. HOLLETT: $900 for three Quirpon? There was $88,500 voted men for fifteen days? there last year. MR. KEOUGH: No, it was nine MR. KEOUGH: Well, at Quirpon hundred dollars for four men. It last year t,he work that was done there worked out to about t,wenty odd dol consisted mo~tly of work that was done lars a day. That is in one instance. practically entirely by the Federal MR. HOLLETT: I am glad to hear Aut·hority who constructed a fisher that. I don't think there was much men's wharf, a wharf now 90 per cent publicity given to that. completed. As far as the Authority were concerned they did the necessary MR. SMALLWOOD: lt was not survey work there to locate the plant. conclusive enough. The plans for the plant have been MR. HOLLETT : That was con drawn up. It is a salt fish plant of clusive. a capacity of ten thousand quintals. The contract has been let, and con MR. SMALLWOOD : No, tha,t is struction will sta,rt as soon as they not conclusive. can get in there. MR. HOLLETT: No, I suppose it MR. BROWNE: They built the would not be. I remember being in wharf there in 1951. a trap crew one time and took up a-bout two hundred quintals in about MR. KEOUGH : I-n that event they an hour. built another. MR. S'MALLWOOD : That is not MR. BROWNE: They must have conclusive either. built a second one because they were MR. HOLLETT: No, I grant you building one there when I was there. that. MR. SMALLWOOD: This is a MR. BROWNE : Mr. Chairman, fisheries wharf, not a public wharf. may I ask the Honourable Minister It was built after I was there last a question? Is there collaboration summer. It had not been begun up now between the Department of Fish to then. The Honourable Minister eries and this Development Com of Mines :ind Resources and myself mittee? spent three days there. MR. KEOUGH: CollaburaLiun yes, MR. BROWNE : Mr. Chairman, but it also means the Authority have how much did the Committee spend immediate access to all divisional there? Did they spend any money out heads and have the right to call upon of this $80,500? them for any services they may need. MR. KEOUGH : In respect of sur MR. SMALLWOOD: There is the veys it ran into some figure over a closest possfole liaison between the thousand• dollars. Authority and the Minister and the Authority and the Premier, free and MR. BROWNE: What particular intimate. kind of survey? 996 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS MR. KEOUGH : A land survey to ,ter 'leH us how mu'Ch money was spent locate the plant. MR. HOLLETT : In all these MR. KEOUGH : I note from an places, Seldom, Valleyfield, Badger's answer in reply to a question asked lby Quay. etc., there is an item General. ~he Honouralble Leader of ,the Oppos•i• That is not very clea,r. ,vhat is meant tion, SI,250,000, roughly. by General? MR. HOLLETT : T,hait was act• MR. KEOUGH: General covers uaHy spent? construction costs of the plant. The operating capital covers the amou11t MR. KEOUGH : -when I say spernt, of money that the Authority calculat• i1t was processed out by ithe Au1thori,ty. ed will have to be lent a community One million doL!ars ,was iprocessed out asociation in order lo enable them to to Lhe F,ishery Produots, a renewal of aperate. comrrui-tment~ made .Jast year to Twil- 1i,nga•Le, Joe Ba.tts Arm ,md Trepassey. MR. HOLLETT : Loan to the community? MR. HOLLETT : W:hiah -leaves MR. BROWNE; I was going 10 S2·50,000. ·I no-te ,that •the O'ffke and ask t'11at. Have any steps !been taken salaries were set down a,t $117,000 O'llt Lo set up a community organization of rha,t, so t•ha-t actually •they only spe'llt in Quirpon? .<;;133,000. Actually 1~hen ai-t cost $117,• 000 to spend $133,000. Am 1 oorrect? MR. KEOUGH : Oh, certain pri• mary work has been done. It has had MIR. SMALLWOOD : No, as wrong visits from a field man, several visits as can be. from Mr. Windsor, and t-he ground work has been laid. MR. HOlJLETT : Add dot all up aigain, one and a quarter mH!lions. MR. BROWNE: But is there a -It ,is qui,te plain ,to me. One miUfon community organization in existence two 'hundred and £i,fity ,thousand doJ. in any of these places now? la-rs was the amount iwhiich was spent. There was a million went to Fis'hery MR. KEOUGH : No, not as such, Produots. there is not. !\fR. BROWNE : Well, that means MR. SMALLWOOD : That was not that very little is being done as far sipernt. Let us forget the mH!fon do). as tha:t is concerned. You are still in Jars - it was an investment. the planning stage for, say Quirpon? MiR. HOLLETT: 11 •will say· ,the MR. KEOUGH: Well, let us put Honourable vhe Premier •is out of or it this way? The main construction der. First he puits h-is feet on the desk. of the plant will begin with the ope11· He sits on his s-tern and ~hoots ques ing of navigation, a salt fish plant. It -tiions across at me. should be ready to go into operation by mid-summer. But by that time MR. SIMALIJWOOD : It is not out there will be a community organiza• of order to 'have ones feet on a desk. tion organized and operating. clean or di11ty. Amd the lhonoura'ble gentleman should knOIW 1thait is just a MR. IHOLIJETT : Could the Min~s- diisplay of ignorance. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 997 MR. HOLLETT: To ha,ve your feet on his desk and pu1t them in his feet on the de&k, I agree en,tfrely. mou,th i,f ,he want~ to (~\1hlch might •be a go-od idea, ~,f "he d,id he would not MIR. OHAl!RMAN : Order. say so much). I do •thii111k a m:m [S out MR. S.MAIJLWOOD : The honour of order when he sits •in his eha,ir and able gen>tleman displa,ys his ignoran>ce. keeps shooti,ng ,uhings across ait a per son '"~ho has the floor. MR. HOLLETT : Tlhere is a d'is pla,y MIR. 'SMALLWOOD: Mr. ChailT MIR. HOLLETT : ,I clean mine man, •bhe >honourah!e gentleman. the when 11 put them up. Leader of 'l•he O.pposi>t-ion •is dlisplayfog MR. SMAIJLWOOD : At lea&t when his ig·nor,mce when he says it •is out of he puts ,tlhem UJP I won'>t say the hon order for members ,to ,put their feet o,n oura!ble rnemlber is 01.11t of order. a desk. He is d>isplaying lhlis ignorance again - MR. HOLLETT : Y MR. HOLLETT : Surely. MIR. HOLLETT : I ·could sit down MR. SIMAI.!LWOOD: Whether the and have a talk •too, ibut would not be feet are d.inty or dean, the Honour so ignorant of the rules of •the House. alb-!e Leader is none the less d'isplaying MR. OHAIR.MAN: I •Vhi MR. OHA,I1R,MAN : Order. MIR. BROWNE : 1Mr. Chairman, I have no •idea •whait ·the Ptremier is -ta:lk MR. SMALLWOOD : And ,the judge ing a1bout. was greatly amused lby it. MR. CHAIRMAN : Order. 1 won MR. &ROWN'E : The Mlinis,ter of der, would ~he Honouralble Leader of P.ubli MR. &MA•IJLWOOD : The Auvhorioty MR. BROWNE : WeH, they slhould 1000 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS be marked as revotes. 'it is a rbalance FishePies Autho1,i-ty, and [ am ,Jed to o,f the $187,000? hemeve rhe Fisher•ies Authority is un der ,the supervision of the Honouraible MR. KEOUGH : T'ha-t ~s rig1ht. AH M~nister. Now when ll ask how much the wa.y along ,bhaot ,is comect. money was pu,t on -this S376,500 for MR. HOI.JLETT : Could the Hon t'lris premises ,1 am told q,t is none of ouraible M-inJster tell us hoiw much df m,y !business. l"ha,t amount was sp·ent in T~v,il!ingate MR. KEOUGH: Well, Mr. Ohair and for wha,t? man, ,dhe House has ,bhe i,ighit to kno'W MR. KEOUGH : The amou111t spe111t any details conneated wi•th a loan lbe was $116,000 deducted from $376,500, 'bWee'n the Government a111d a ;f~shery wha,tever tha!t comes ,to, I don'·t know company. Bu,t ,;,hen the .fishery oom a't ,the moment what it was for. I pa,n,y spend-s that money ornt agai-n, I have ,to presume -it was for ma·c'hinery. don',t 1t,hink th,is House has a -right to The undertaking at Twillingate, as far k•now !'he 'lransaubion5. For ,im,tanice, I as I can recaII, was ,to i.ns,tall a new wouJi MIR. KEOUGH : Yes, tha,t looks MIR. HOLLETT: $2;8·32,200 MR. CHA1IRMAN : Order. this and do ,rhat." MR. BROWINE : Surely bhe Hon MR. HOLLETT : Mr. Ohairman, ournlble Leader of t1he Opposition asked a quest·ion a few clays ago rela could give notice to rhe ,Minister now bive to that, and 11 was told ,l/he /build to brtlng ,the inlforma1t-ion tomorrow, ing was purohased by }\ishery -Products, Mr. Cha,irman. and it was their business not mine. Now 'l bning •t:he matter u,p I am told MR. SIMAIJLWOOD : Tha-t is not 11hat it is under the superv-islion of ,uhe the way ,no~ice of question is given. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1001 MR. OHAmR:MAN : ii am afraid MIR. KEOUGH : The Communi1ty notiice of question will 'have ito be Organization will be in ·charge olf t1he given. plarnt. The Communi!y Organization wHl consist of such people 'in the Com MR. DROWNE : ,I wonder, Mr. mumty who want to join it, and pre Chairman, if 1I could direct the Minis sumably mostly fishermen. They wiJ.1 ter's aNention lback to Quirpon for a be the owners of the Community Or few miiJnutes? Opera,tting Capi'tal and ganization. They will bring .in the fish, General - Does rhis mean the Govern hand •it 100 it1he Organization and t'he ment is going to spend S62,000 on Organizat,ion wil'l pay tlhem in advance lbuiM:ing a s,a,l,t cod fish processing on ~heir f.ish. T'he Orgalil'iza.tion will pla,rut at Quirpon, ,aJn -terp11ises. T,hey must do so ul!l1t-il the 01pemDive enterprise ait Pouch Cove, Community Organiz,a,t,ions are -in ex Grates Cove and Ferryl1and, ,three of ii.tence, d:isci.pHned, well ,fopmed and tJhem ended in disaster, !because they experienced to employ t'he manage were imposed upon people who had no ment rather than have the manage idea what •lihe co-o,pera1bive idea was ment employed lby the Fi~her.ies Devel albout, and even t'houg,h this Govem opment Authority. Now that co-opera ment went in afte11W a1,ds -to try and Dive movement ,becmnes really success teach t'hem, they were never ·aible ,to ful from the !beginning up, and is not get over the initial hur their own flakes where ,they ma:ke Vheir bious to go ahead, notwithstanding the fish and dry t!hcir ,[,ish and s'IOre iit. clirty feet. Then, does the ·Minister ,think ,tha,t this MR. HOLLETT : I did not say year tha,t p!alllJt will lbe in such a posi feet but boots. tion -that t•hc fis,h Gill be handled and handed over to the Fisheries Au,t:hority MR. SMALLWOOD: I am glad after rt has been ~pJ.i•t, after i,t has been my sole is not as dirty as my feet sa·l1ted, and •washed, so ,Uhat t•he Fish might be. er.ies Atuthori:Dy may dry it? Or will the fishermen just turn it over after i,t has However, if we decided that we will been dried? At What stage does the not have in ·my place in Newfound Fisher-ies Aut,horioty come ill'to this pro land, where a plant is to be estab ject in Quirpon? lis·hed, to be ow.,ed and operated by a Community Organization, we will MR. HOLLETT : The estima,taon is not do so until the Organization is tha,t the plant will be ready for opera t'horoughly ready to do it, then I feel tions by mid-summer. Before that it will perhaps never be done, cer Lime the fishermen acre going to have tainly not in the foreseeable future. to handle fish themselves in the tradi The Fishery Development Committee rional way. By the time the plant is thought, and we agreed with then\, ready the Community Organization that in one or two places a modest will be organized and will be ready type of fishery development should to receive the fish from the fisher take place. These one or two or three men. At that time it may well be that places, and each of t,hem, would be pa·rt of Uhe fishery, possi'bl-y a good typical of dozens and perhaps of hun part of this year is going to be over. dreds of small places in Newfound land-What can be done with a small MR. SMALLWOOD: Mr. Chair- place? You cannot put a grea.t plant man, if the Leader of the Opposition in every small fishing harbour, yet you will allow me, I could amplify that have these small fishing harbours. one point. The Community Organ What can be done for them? A num ization can be formed. It may not ber of -~hem will eventually disappear, function with thorough efficiency. It because they are close to the east or may require this year a very high de west or north or south of a large har gree of control exercised by the FDA bour witih a large modern plant allll through its own management. Next development. They will move, prob year the same control might have to ably, into places where ,there are large he exercised and the year after, and modern plants and developments. In for a number of years, until t•ha.t or that way a number of the small placC's ganization is sufficiently well organ would, no doubt, disappear in the ized, well disciplined and experienced course of time, But they would not to he ahle to take over the control all. There would still be two or itself of the management of the plant three hundred places in Newfound -not to take over the management. land, small ·harbours in which tihere but to take over the control of the will never be large fishing plants. So management. In short (I am talking what about ,them? The Fishery De a Ii ttle looger than I thought) it is velopment Committee ~bought, and easy for t"he honourable gentleman to we agreed, we should set up in two say, go ahead, but I feel a little du- or three small harbours a modern fish- 1004 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS ery development such as the one at MR. HOLLETT : That was a Quirpon. Somehow or other they shor,t minute. The next time the were not too clear on i,t, They did Honourable the Premier asks me to not lay down any clear specifications, yield a minute, I will have to consider as the Committee will find by look it. ing at the report, they did feel in a rather vague kind of way that a Com I am on the fishery business, I munity Organization ought to own ~hink: There is a little amount here such plants. Well, perhaps they ought. of $600,000, an insignificant amount, But if they don't exist, and if there "Unallocated new proposals." Could does exist the very positive individ the Minister tell us what that is all ual need to test it out, MR. HOLLETT: Nobody suggested community efiforl perhaps, or ·through you cut it out. We suggested the nhe co-operative movement or in some M,inister might be a,ble to tell us what way or ot'her to do tiha,t. But 1I do it is all about. suggest, and say, it ought to be possible for ,tihem to make a decent living. But MR. SMALLWOOD: We don't i.f this is going to be along co know. operative lines, 1 ,Jo sug·ge»t ~ve are MR. HOLLETT: That is very good. starting on ,t:he wrong. end. 1 think Why bring it in the estimates. As a the ,Honouralble the ,p,remier and also matter of fact that applies in a lot of tlhe Honouralble Minister oif F-i~heries these estimates, Mr. Chairman. I have had a lot af experience in the don't want to -take up any more time co-operative effor-t, and I ,rhink they -We are all behind the Fisheries De more or less aibantlonecl ,the idea of Vhe velopment Authority. We hope they Government assisting in ,the co-opera are smart men. We hope they know tive movement. I •think LJhat is true in what they are doing. We object, of co-operative work, ~,•'hen there is very course, to the high salaries, which had little assistance from tihe Government. to be paid for such high-priced men, In this case the Government -is behind because we don't believe the country •Uhe whole eflfo1,t, and ,we can hardly can afford it. vVe had one before. call it a co-operative movement. I He landed in gaol. I do hope these hope tlhc Honouralble Minister does not others will keep out, because they are think we are trying to destory othei-r Newfoundfanders. They are not Can effort along ,the fishery. ,v e only see adians because they were not born in they came very late in Lhe day. This Camada, I suppose ,they are immi is the seventh year now in w.hich grants, but they are Newfoundlanders Canada promised all sorts of •t'hings for -I am quoting Mr. Pickersgill, I be fishermen. They were guing to have lieve.-We hope they will succeed. no trouble whatsoever ,to sell their fish, and there ,would 1be a new era olf pros MR. SMALLWOOD: T·he 1honour perity for our fisheries. .-\ml we find able gentleman was not quoting M·r. ourselves here today with three million Pickersgill, ,it •was a Tory who said that, dol,lars there, and nobody seems -to Earl ROIWe. know exactly what it is for - most of the votes last year were not spent. MR. HOLLETT : I accept t'he cor \Vhy? Because there '\\'as no plan. l rection. That has notihing to do with suggest the best bhing for uhe Fishery fish. The main thing, of course, in Vhe Aut•hority to do ,is ,to si,t down and fishery business, as •we aJ.l know, is that think out some ,plans and then a~k the t,he man fishes and gets enough •to live Government .for some money and spend on and a Ji,ttle more on t'he side. And i-t. as I said here today, some fishermen in Port de Grave did not in 1953 get all .\-flR. 5:\L\LLW0OD : Mr. 0hair the money bhey were supposed ,to get. rnan, 1we are asking •the Committee to 11 say, if you can make i,t possible for vote an amount of .£2,267,000 for fish ~hese men in Valley.field, Bay de Verde ery development. We 1have akeady paid and Merasheen and here in St. John's, out S9,860,000, not counting this Jot Batts Arnn and 0hange !Islands ,to amount, before we ca,me ,to this amount get ,the ultimate value of ,~heir catch; at aU, to thirty - one ,fish merchants I think i,t ought to be possihle, through and fish companies. Now some of that 1006 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS was ,in cas,h, six mii]]ion dollars o.f it MIR. HOLLETT: You made loans was •in cash and $3,698,000 of i,t was lby 1bU1t these fish companies were t,here guarantees, bank guaranitees. some of before you came into existence. wihioh we picked up. We no'W ask the Coim'mi1t,tee to vote this amount. We MR. SM,A'LL:WOOD: Tha,t is the h,we already given ou,t ten million dol result oif 'loans we made. Now Vhat is lars -to thirty - one MR. KEOUGH: The vote of five MR. SMAL'LWOOll: I cannot re hundred t:housand d~Ilaro is to cover member all olf -t'hem, thirty one com rhe expenditure this year on instaila panies. Andrews Labrador ,Fisheries, tion df a frozen fish plant, plus bhe in they ipaid out at least a miHion dollars. sta1lation of a piipeline -t!hat will sulb seq·uen,tly sePve the town of LaScie. 'It MR. HOLLETT: They should have is an,ticipated ·the insta,Jila:tion of t'hat paid a dollar a quirntal more. pipeline will cost somewhere in the MR. SMALLWOOD : nh~· paid vicinity of $125,000 or $150,000. out a mi!Hon dollar, auyiway. They M:R. SMALL WOOD : I :want to were creaited ·by our money. Arctic correc:;t a statement, ,this twenty - three Fi~heries, Oslen ·W•haling and Sealing, mHiion to the end 0:£ las·t yea·r, to Cy -Moores Oompa·ny, North Eastern which ~here must be added an amount Fisheries, Bonavista Cold storage Com being spent ,this year, eight hundred pany, ;that is Ha:zen .Russell, and MR. S-MA'Ll.ROOD : i\Ir. Ohairman, ing ,prepared to work - I kno~v lhe is it is ·no more dilificult on the honour prepared •to wor,k night and day, but abile gentlemen oppos-iLe - rI have sa-t the honouraible members on t'his side in this House .from -t,he day •it opened of the House, the :pressure falls on and have not ·been out one mo.meat, J them. •I say now, in •t'hei-r heai,ing, it think twice I have gone as far as ,the is inhuman. And h is not fair to •Uhc door. [ have ,been here when every people of this country to rush -the esti piece of legislaition - and I don',t feel mates - and •we are lbeing asked to that working five or six hours a day pass votes here for millions of dollars in this House here is very hard work. wi-thou•t gh1ing ,tlhe matter proper con I don't feel that i·t is. H is common srdera•tion. place for Houses to go rig-ht throngih MR. OHAI.RM.AJN : The DepaK -Lhe whole niglht. \·Vhat are •we rbecom ment of Economi-c Development. ing, a -bunch of namby - pambies? MR. HOL'L'ETT : We are going MR. BROWNE. : Mr. Chairman, ahead wiuh that? I he Premier is ex"1-ggerating when he says it is usual o-r common,place for MiR. SMALLWOOD: Mr. Chairman, Houses to sit aII rnig1ht. How o£ten has 1 have no choice in the ma-tter - if i•t happened that ·this House sat all the Commi-tlee ,wishes to go a'head - night? :\11R. HOLLETT: Mr. Chainnan, I MR. SMALL1WOOD : Dozens of have the floor. ti1n1cs. MR. SMALLWOOD: The first day MR. BROWNE : Only ~ince you we were here three hours, Uhe second ha·ve been in char-ge. •two and a quarter hours the •third day MR. Si[\,fA1.L,>\100D: H has not Uhrec ·hours, t1he ;fi~th day six hours, happened since I was in charge. the sixt'h day six hours, -the next day three hours, uhe next day six, then MIR. BROW,NE : In thirty or forty five, then three, then six, :then five years this House 'has not sa·t aJ.J night, and a ha,!,f - now ~hat a•\•erages a.bout and •there is no n ecessi•ty. The Pre four hours a day. mier has one vote to go, t•he Depart ment of E·conomic Development, and MR. HOLLETT: Does the Hon it i~ a very important vote, and ,r knaw ouralble the Premier think i,t is right to he is anxious to get it through. But oome here at one o'clock in ·t/he morn doe.~ ·he not thin'k, -in fai-rness •to t'he ing and disGuss important matters such co1111-try, we ~ho11ld adjourn un1il to as •the .fisheries, and then ·try to rush morrow and then consider it. this -~hrough. Come here and g,ive no pa11t·icul-ars a,bout anything and t:hen M\R. S.MArLLWOOD: No [ don'•t. call ,i,t work - I call h "rbull." MR. BROWNE : He is not going MR. S·MAL'!JWOOD : There is no to get it through any easier 'U)' having rush - ,take all -the •time -the Com it now. mittee wants. MR. SMALLWOOD : We are all MR. BROWNE : Mr. Chairman, we here and ,prepa·red ,to work. a·re now on t'he Department of Fxono MR. BROWNE: But, Mr. Ohair mi,c Developmen Hardwoods - I •would like to see I ask ~hat he wit1h M.R. SM-ALLWOOD: Say it Iouder, MR. SMAl.lLWOOD : I ask Your I cannot 'hea,r. Honour -to direct that remark be 1wit1l drawn •by -the •honourable mem•ber. MR. BROWNE : ,I said it quite cleariy. .Is •the Premier ,trying to shield MR. CHAUR!MAN : II think the ,hon somel:>ody? V,1,ho is he Hying ·to ghield•? ouraible memJber s'hould ,w.it'hd-raw - it Why won',t :he ,produce the report? is unparliamentary. MIR. SMAlJLWOOD: Mr. Chairman, MIR. HOLLETT: Mr. Chairman, .if I ask you to MR. HOLLETT : And M-r. Ohair MR. IPOIWER : W•ha·t •I want to say man, -~f my memory serves me right, a:t •the moment is Vha,t last year when m-y honourable friend on my right was ,this question was up betfore ~he House HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1011 I remem:ber t•he Prem,ier asked the hon As far as that went he does not know ouralble genillcman from St. John's a/bout 'Lhe credit. He is ta,lking aibout West rwhether or not ,he ~vas prepared somctlhing he does not know a1bout. to ·ta·ke ,this charge ou,t~ide the House. MR. BROWNE : Something new. He said no. I mainta,in ilf he believed wha,t he was saying he would not be MR. SMALLWOOD: The honour afraid •to make t'ha,t same charge out able gentleman did not look far side the House and get all the infor enough when he was looking. The mation he ~vanted, lby making it credit note was right there under his outside the House. eyes. MR. BROW.NE: Mr. Chainnan, I MR. BROvVNE : Now that we are prodiuced the ,info11mation for ,the on the subject we might as well get RoyaI Ca,nadian Mounted Police, all into it fully. The price charged by the information I had. J. C. Pratt and Company was not fif. MR. SMA'LL•WOOD : But refused teen hundred but one t-housand seven to give the RCMiP aU the informa~ion. hundred and twenty-six dollars and thirty cents, and they were generous MR. BROWNE: Yes, I told the enough to give a ten per cent discount. House -t'haJt. They took ten per cent off. We have MIR. SMii\.lJLWOOD : T'he honour that from the head of the company a'ble gen,tleman told me not!hing. He himself. was asked for evidence and refused point blank to give i·t. MR. SMALLWOOD: But did not see the credit note over and a!bove. MtR . &ROWNE : l,t does not make a bit of dii6ference who gave ,uhe in MR. BROWNE: Perhaps that was fopmation, lhe facts are ·there. I put in later. produced ~he invoi·ces from the com MR. SMALLWOOD: In other words, pany -to ~hmv •that they were selling the honourable gentleman thinks Mr. the a1,ticles for less than a thousand Dawe is a criminal, obviously, clearly. doHa-rs each and produced -the invoices W'hy not go outside to the court, he from J. C. •Prntt and Company to show can take you into court. He is taking Newfoundland Hardrwoods paid over the telegram into court. Let him take fifteen ,hundred dollars each ,for them. you. You are the one charging it. I aJ!so produced a le.Her from the com You go outside and say it. pany to show they gave ten per cent on t•heir artidles MR. BROWNE: Mr. Chairman - MR. SMALLWOOD : The hon MR. SMALLWOOD : So much so MR. BROWNE : I do not know you won't go outside and make a why-If the Honourable ~he Premier charge. won't why does not the Minister of Finance contribute a li~tle more to MR. BROWNE: Nor won't make debates of this House and get up and threats like that either, inside or out give his own views? side. H is for the courts to decide. I made a charge fo.r the benefit of the MR. POWER: Mr. Chairman : Government to make an investigation, MR. BROWNE : Mr. Chairman, I and the Government made an investi have the floor. gation but don't produce the results of the investigation. MR. CHA:IRMAN : If the honour able member has the floor, I don't MR. SMALLWOOD : I did produce think ,he should refer to honourable it. I made a public statement on it. members. The RCMP had been unable to find any evidence to substantiate the MR. BROWNE : The Minister of charge, after months of investigation. Finance, ,Mr. Chairman, has great re sponsibility in regard to expenditures MR. BROWNE : It is a parliamen of public money. tai;y ·thing, and the ,Premier is ex,pect· ed to produce a document from any MR. POW.ER: Does the honour think quoted, I ask the Premier now - able member find anything he does MR. SMALLWOOD: No such thing not like with my conduct? -It is not necessary a,t all to produce MR. BROWNE : I think he should a document from which you quote. be at least interested. To begin with I did not quote £,rom a document, and I am not quoting MR. POWER : My dear man, we now. I said the document said, the get so much gas from that side of the report said, that they had found no House. evidence to substantiate the honour able gentleman's cha,rges-But I am MR. HOLLETT : Mr. Chairman, not quoting the report. I am not are we going to stay here wrangling quoting anything. all night, or are we going to M\ve de cenl order. MR. BROWNE: You said the "document.•• MR. SMALLWOOD: Ask your MR. SMALLWOOD : Does the hon colleague. ourable gentleman know the differ MR. CHAIRMAN : I am afraid ence between the word "quote" and the Honou-rable Leader of the Oppo the word "paraphrase," he does. sition is now throwing oil on troubled MR. BROWNE: Were you para water. I am going to ask the Hon phrasing or summarizing. ourable Leader of ~he Opposition to- MR. SMALLWOOD: There is a MR. POWER: I am going to ask difference between paraphrasing and the honourable member to make the summarizing. I did not quote it a-t statement he made, in the House, any time now nor in the public state about :Mr. Dawe, outside and let us ment. 1 paraphrased and summarized fight the case there and get all the it. evidence ,to be gotten. If the honour- HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1013 able gentleman believed this charge MR. BROWNE : No, •I don't think he would not be too cowardly to make anybody can. Last year four million it outside. I consider any man who dollars was spent and the estimates makes a charge inside this House called for $877,800. Now •there is cowardly. $1,200,000 put in here, what are we going to find before the actual amount MR. CHA•IR:MAN : That remark is spent? It was $2,679,836 in 1953-54 is not parliamentary. To say an and last year it was four million dol -honourable member is cowardly. lars. Is it getting any better or is it MR. POWER: Mr. Chairman, I •worse? Surely now there are inteHi withdraw that word, maybe some gent men on their side, and the other word is more suitable. Premier .himself is intelligent. MR. GHAIRM~N : I wonder if MR. SMALLWOOD: That is a honourable members would please very generous admission, I must say. try not to lose -their sense of perspec I thank the honourable gentleman tive, ,then they would certainly not for tha,t. I thank him very much. lose their dignity. I don't think hon MR. BROWNE : am always ourable members should point to ready - other honourable members on the other side of the House and call their MR. SMALLWOOD: At the same conduct into question. time, I am watching the matches. MR. BROWNE: Mr. Chairman, MR. BROWNE: Now, Mr. Chair in all t-hese increases we a,re asked to man, that is the second time tonight vote a huge sum of money. Now it is the Premier made this reference. As $1,200,000. Bu-t since the expendi a matter of fact, I do not carry tures, since the expenditure last year ma,tches. I don't smoke. I would was $4,066,000 although the vote asked like to know what the Premier is re for was only $877,800, the expenditure ferring to. last year was nearly five times the MR. SMALLWOOD: The honour amount of ,the vote. How much is it able gentleman, if he had no matches going to be this year? Is there any or lighter, might even call down body on the other side, the Premier lightning from Heaven, in which case or the \Vizard of Finance, the Min I want to be well aware. ister of Finance - MR. BROWNE : Mr. Chairman, is MR. POWER: Mr. Chairman, I the Premier allowed to make these take exception to tha-t remark. insane remarks without an explana tion of what he is saying? MR. BROWNE : I beg your par don. The Minister of Finance-I wi~h MR. GHAiIRMAN : Order. The draw that. Is the Minister of Finance honourable member referred to bhe able to predict how much money will Premier's intelligence. have to be spent on new industries during ,this coming year, or during MR. BROWNE : I did not say any the present fiscal year? thing derogatory. He has intelligence, but at this moment, when he makes MR. POWER : Do you think any this remark, does not seem to be one body can? of them. 1014 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS M,r. Ohati-rman, this seems to be a don't know w1here ,to find any report very difficult position for the Oppo about it. I have heard rumours about sition, to stand up and beg the Gov it. Is any effor,t being made to sell ernment to give them some informa the gypsum plant? I understand some Lion about the various plants, costing thing is on to sell the gypsum plant, .so much money, and oannot get the information. Take this particular MR. SMALLWOOD: If the hon plant, Atlantic Hardboards Limited ourable gentleman is asking me that tha,t is nearly $1,500,000. I am sorry question, the answer is: Next month I have to delay the Committee a lit parties are arniving here from another tle in order ,to draw attention of the country to discuss the purchase of the Committee to t-he amount that was plant. We are endeavouring to sell the plant. And in view of that, per actually intended to be spent by this haps the honourable gentleman will company. I understand $600,000 was be quite restrained in any remarks he !he original amount of the contract. Will anybody on ,t,be other side of t·he •has to make about the plant. House tell us how much money these MR. BROWNE : I hope -I am re people put into that plant and how strained in all my remarks. much the Gove1·111nent put in? MIR. SMALLWOOD: The honour MR. SMALLWOOD: Put it on able gentleman is noted for tha,t al the Orcler Paper. ways. MR. BROWNE : It is not much MR. BROWNE : The Premier is use now. noted for similar characteristics. Mr. Cha-irman, why should we not have MR, S·MALLWOOD: Why not t-he balance sheet every year of this have put it on earHer? Why pick to company. Here is a Crown Corpora night to ask the question? tion, and what is the reason the Prem MR. BROWNE : The Premier was ier does not produce the balance sheet the only person in the House who of this Corporation? knew that we were going to go into MR. SMALLWOOD: In ,the next supply on the Department of Econ session, not this one. omic Development this evening, and he is the only one who could have MR. IlROWNE : Why not this that information here, and he has not one? got it. Surely we are entitled to in formation on a plant like this, MR. SMALLWOOD : Because the honourable gentleman would probably MR. SMALLWOOD: Has not the publish it. honourable gentleman been g,iven any information? MR. BROWNE : Why should it not be published? MR. BROWNE: Yes, we have been told of the loss during the past year, MR. SMALLWOOD : We decided it the operating loss. should not be. We don't have to say why, furthermore I am not going to MR. SMALLWOOD: Nothing else, say why. no other information? MR. BROWNE : Very well, there MR. BROWNE: Very little else. I is no use talking about ,that_.! will go HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1015 on to North Star Cement. That plant MR. SMALLWOOD: No, not like was sold, and we supplied the money them. Give them credit for that. The to the people to buy shares, to take ·honoura-ble gentleman is not like his over the management, and have not colleagues. received a cent of intereg,t nor prin cipal for shares of the plant since. Can MR. BROWNE : Perhaps not. The the Premier give us any information Premier must know. lt is not a per indicating when we might likely get sonal interest I have in this matter. any money on that account? I ·have here a public interest. What is the duty of the Opposition if not MR. SMALLWOOD: My opinion to ask questions about the affairs of is, reasonably soon. the country? And would I not be dere lict in my duty if I did not try to MR. BROWNE : What does the find out what happened to the funds Premier mean by reasonably soon of the country? centuries. ,vhat has been done in regard to MR. SMALLWOOD : That is why Gold Sail Leacher Goods? I under- the honourable gentleman is not get stand Mr. Schaffers has gone back to ing information, see. I may as well Germany. Who is going to manage tell the honourable gentleman right the plant in his absence? I under- now, I am about as much afraid of stand he was the founder of the com him, or as impressed, as I am by a pany, ·the man who was to be given mouse if I happen to see one run twenty-five per cent of the shares, along the floor. And he is getting which he never received. Is the Prem exactly nowhere.-Put that in the ier ,in a position to say anything about honourable gentleman's pipe and that now? smoke it. MR. SMALLWOOD: Yes. MR. BROWNE : I think ,the Hon ourable the Premier should remember MR. BROWNE : Would ,the Prem I am not here in a personal capacity. ier like to do i-t? MR. SMALLWOOD: Very per MR. SMALLWOOD: No. sonal-whether he is here in that capacity or not, that is the way he af ·MR. BROW1NE : Surperior Ruibber fects people. Company. Now we ·have had charges made here .much more serious ·than MR. BROWNE : If ·I am personal oharges made against Mr. Ohester it is because there is a grea•t deal of Dawe. Nearly a mill,ion lfdve hundred irritation at times. thousand dollars of bhe country's MR. SMALLWOOD: He is always money !has gone into Uhat plant, and in the right, cha-rges ha'l'e 'been made here and state ments by ex• employees, that S275,000 MR. BROWNE : It is necessary to worth of goods had 'been practically make these remarks. T•here was noth clumped i-n Mon~real for a dollar a ing said at the present time to draw pa,i r. Is not t'he 1M inis·ter df Finance that remark from the Premier. I am concerned with tha,t? Has he any views here, like our colleagues here on this on rhat, or has the Attorney General side of the House, to represent our or any of the memlbers on the other constituents. side? Is t,hat an ordina·ry, routine -af- 1016 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS fair? Now we are coki ,the ,boiler broke MR. &MALILWOOD: A lot od' in dawn. The Minister of La,bour knows format,ion has 1been tabled albout all albou,t H. He says !he could give a these plants. story about iit ~ha-t ,1 would not 1ike. ii don',t care rwhat he says albout it. But MR. BRo,~~NE: Very little infor it is out of order, and 'Uhere is $1'50,000 mation has been ta:bled to size up ,the tied up. I,t may lbe closed for weeks posit,ion that these pla nts are in at the or months. Are we to get no balance present time or haive been in ait a'lly sheet? time. The Premier said himsel.f the other day bhat ~hey all had ,insufficient MR. SIMALLWOOD: It will not wmking ca:pi,ta,J ,when they started. 1't be t•ha,t long nor anyt'hing like it. seems to me, Mr. Ohairman, thait should have 'been uhought of before MIR. 1BRO,,V1NE : The Premier knorws going into all these things. I believe every•thing ,is not going right with that in connection with some of ,these plants plant. Is he is a position ,to ,tell us Vhese people did not have a cent of what invesLigat-ion ,was made and what money. were ,the results? MR. Si\f.ALLWOO,D: Some were MR. SMALLWOOD : J am in a ,paying back t'he 1fiirst interest due the position to do iit, yes, 1but ,l certainoiy Government ouot olf the money we gave s,hall not do it. You see, ,Mr. Ohai-r t'hem. In faot virtually all of them man, whetlher Vhe honoura)ble gentle under agreement were supposed to pay man can unden.tand it or not, can interest and most of them paid their believe it or not, the fact of ·uhe mat,ter fi-rst instalment of interest, or were is that ,we are Her Majes,ty's Govem about to do so, out of money they men.t. And while we are Her Majesty's were stHI receiving from us as part of Government we must be t'he best the oTiginal agreement. judges, we must b elieve we are the MR. ,BROvY,NE: 11 .rnrmisert t:hat. bc~t judges, and ,,,., nmot act on •the assumption 'that we are the best judges M'R. SMALLWOOD: I sa,id rhat of what is in the public initerest. And here. ,I announced •tha,t here, a year we ·hold ,it is not in the •pu•blk interest and a tha),f ago. And ~he su•bsequent at this time to discuss these maitters. agreements provided that interes•t Now the House can vote us out for would begin a,fter three years, 1but the t,hat, or, if the House fa~ls to vote us eai,Jy ones provided that i,t 'began at ou,t, ~he ,people 1can ,vote us out when once. we go back to them. But ,uha,t is our Marni in the meamvhi!e. MR. BROWNE : Well, you can see tthe position we are in here, and 'I take MR. BROWNE : That is pretty de it all ~he ordinmy memlbers of the fini,te. As far as a ny of ,~hese com Government must be in on the other panies in which we have puot over side of the House. They must know .$,21,000,000 is concerned, -there is no as litUle as we do aibout these pfants . informa•tion to •be given. Now are they sa,tisfi ed? 'ls ,that sound business? ,Is ,t•ha•t sensilble? Haw long is MR. :SMALLWOOD: •I did not say uhe country going to keep on paying any such t'hing. defrcits of ~his order? MR. BROWNE : ,I mentioned. gyp MR. POWrER: Mr. Gha·irnnan, I sum and North Star Cement. hal\fe not taken part in very many de- HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1017 ba:tes in this House. lit was not be MR. SMiALLWOOD: T 1he point is cause sometimes I ~vould not have liked not how much of the Government's to say something, but i,t is no'l very money was spent on it. Ten mii!lion easy to get a won! in edgeways with dol!a,rs was guaranteed 1by ·rhe New the honourable mem\ber across the foundland GovemmellJt. lt was not floor. However, he sees something out of ,the Government, 1but uhe Gov very sinister in t'he fact ,tha'l we have ernment was on the note, the bonds had ,to give more money to loan, mare were gua·ranteed 1by the Government. money for two years ·now to the new Now not only did the mill cost in 1923 industries. I don',t see anything very the equ.ivalent in •today's money of wrong with that. At leas·t ~t haprpened forty or fifty million dollars more than in cases dhat are muoh more important estimated - In 1925 Vhe mill started, ,tlhan these industries, h happened in it was opened in the Fall of 1925, and cases where some of ,the greatest fin in 1927, t'lvo years a.fterwards, vhe miH anciers olf t•he world were involved, went into operations having cost and 'l refer ,to ,the Iron Ore Company twenty million do],]a,rs more to !build of Cana-da, which estima,ted the cost of t'hen estimated, and ,i-t defau.Jted and the rai-Lway at Seven Islands to Knolb -t,hey presented the Government of 'Mr. Lake, il •think, at two 'hundred and Monroe with a bill for the ,interest on fitfty million dolla'l's. When they got the bonds, It was an absolutely disas half way in they had to refinance the trous situaiion for the Government of whole ,issue. If ~hait could hap.pen to New1foundlancl to lbe faced with in people like George Hum1p1hries, Secre 1927. They d·id not have much money. •tary of tlhe U.,S, Treasury, and all •the We would not like to /be passed a hill other great financial concerns involved, to pay interest on a guararutee of ten I don't t1hintk we have very much to be mi!Hon dollars, we wou-ld not like it, a&hamed of if we under - estimated tbut we could do it. But ~hey could what i-t would cost to get t,he industries ·not do i,t. How d a vote of $:1,200,000 -rela·tive ,to ·the new MR. HOLLETT : The Newfound industries? land Ha•rdwoods Limited were ,tlhe op era-ting company, ·Uhe owners were the MR. CHAIIR,MAN : I am afraid - Government, of course. And -the own The Premier is leading up to an im ersihiip of •that company recently portant point -there. ahanged, i.n ifaot one df the o~mers of MR. SMALL WOOD : The grea,t 1In it is in this building at ,Uhe moment. ternat-ional Power and Paper Company That is lihe .fir£t of t'hem to have the rame in, an MR. S:MA'LLWOOD : Not only MR. SMALLvVOOD: The rwhole voted against ,i,t \but called for a divi pos1t1on. N~v ,there are certain ,in sion and had a division on BRJINCO. clus·tries that do ·not create a position, MR. HOLLETT : No, defini-tely not. no 1pa11t of any posi-lion or si•tuation, those ·that are in the iblack am! either MR. SoMA1LL WOOD : Yes, look i•t ipay-ing or able to pay ,t1heir interest. up. T lhey are not ipaying on i,t lbeca-use it DIR. ROWE: T1he 1Jndependernt has 1been ~\'aived along with aU 1!he Memlber voted ~vi·th the Government, orhers. Tlhey do not consti-tute any and you aN vo:ted aga·inst it. si•tuation, they are getting a!Jong very nicely. But, I say, tihe whole situation MR. HOLLETT : ·what nonsense. is under review, careful review and MR. SoM:P.Ll;WOOD : The owner active revimv. And i,t seems reasonalble shLp df one of these industries has to me •~he necessa•ry steps to ensure ,their suc mean the public owns it or the public cess, ,whatever t•hose 9teps may ,be. Now owns the bonds? I say the CNR is a ohat is \\,hy, aluhough the 'honourajble Crown Corporation, wholly owned by gentlemen opposite may ,wis'h to use the Government of Canada. Because my ,words as propaganda against me, the public buys bonds off ,the Govern or a,gainst the Government or against men of Canada does ,that mean those •the indu~tries, ,that is ,wh'Y 1 must say who bought the •bonds, in England or rha,t at this partkular ,point, at -~his in ~he United States, owns the Govern ,part-icular stage •there are some of -these ment of Canada, because they bought plants [ do not ,wish to discuss. Now Canadian Government bonds? 'No. t'hat is not •true of a,]! of ,them, but No more ·than they are owners of the with regard to all of them, exceipt At CNR because they have bought CNR lantic F,i,lms, uhe Commiottee may rest bonds they own -the CNR. T:hat is a assu'l'ed tlhat our a,t,thude is, we don',t publ-ic enterprise, and ~he Govern care, you know, whet'her anyone agrees ment of Canada, very rightly and prop or disagrees, Hkes it or diislikes ,it, we erly refuse repeatedly, again and don't care, •it is ou'l' attitude - oh we again and again to table ,information. care 1W1hat tlhe ,people think, yes, we Btu you don't find newspaper men, care aibout •that - :but our attitude is you don't find newspapers harping ,that these are privaite companies, good, on the fact. You don't find the Op lbad or indifferent, they are neverthe position whining: "We are a little less private companies ~vho are com Opposition and the Government won't petitively operating, or t,rying ,to op tell us all'}"t'h.ing. 'We are ·here •trying era,te competitively, in competion to protect the public, but this cruel with other private companies, and it Government just uses the sheer weight is not fair ,to splash -their private af of numbers to keep us in ignorance. fairs on the ,floors of t'he House and The Opposition does not say that in thereby on Uhe •radio and in tlhe news Ottawa. papers for their compet.i-tors to read. Tlhe Government of Canada won't do MR. BROWNE: I say they do. I i-t with the ONIR. have hea,rd i-t often. MR. BROWINE : Yes vhey do. MR. SMALLWOOD : They do not MR. SMALLWOOD: They do not in connection with this. They may argue whether t,he policy is right or table the balance sheets. Repeatedly, in this very session, as no doubt my wrong. honourable friend :has read, in this MR. HOLLETT: We are not al very session and in every session of lowed to do -~hat here. the House of Commons, the Govern ment refuses point blank to table all MR. SMALLWOOD : The policy of kinds, many kinds of information con withholding information? Get up and cerning the CNR, every dollar of argue and state your viewpoint-That whioh is public money. It is a wholly happens ,in every session of the House, owned Crown Corporation. since every honourable gentleman is in it, and before he was in it. MR. BROWNE : That is not cor rect because there are millions of MR. BROWNE: May I bring the bonds held by the public. attention of the Honourable the Prem MR. SMALLWOOD: Doe11 that ier to the fact the CNR affairs are 1020 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS discussed in Committee, of which I anything. They have absolutely no was a member. consideration for the feelings of any body else, male or female or dead MR. SMALLWOOD: For instance, persons. Here they bring in the es they sell hotels. They refuse point timates wioh an item here for new in bla•nk to tell the House of Commons dustries of $1,200,000, which we are or anyone else what they sold them supposed to vote for and yet are not for, point iblank. Now what would told anything, and iif we don't do that happen in Newfoundland if the New without asking questions, the Opposi foundland Government sold some tion are no good pinheads, whatever property and refused ,to tell the that is-n.utS-$1,200,000 and say, we House for what p1:>ice the property was know what ,we are doing, and they sold? What kind of dictators would know no more about -this, Mr. Chair we suddenly become 'here on -this side? man, the members on -the back benches Yet ,the Government of Canada does and some of the Cabinet Ministers, it. than some of -these people in ohe hos MR. BROWNE : Do you think the pital up ,in -the west end, and not as Government of Canada are right? much as some of •these do. I am on dangerous ground. MR. SMALLWOOD: I think they are right. MR. CHAIRMAN : Yes, you are. MR. BROWNE : If in ·Ohe Oppo MR. HOLLETT : Thank you very sition? much, Mr. Chairman. I am interested MR. -SMALLWOOD: But if it in the 1,tory about the gypsum plant. were the Opposition the Government That plant ihas already cost us 3.3 would take precisely the same attitude, million dollars--:! am reminded of ,the They would have to, of course. They fact that on December 17, last year, know in Opposition people say more that place nearly blew up, or one of than their prayers, and it is to be ex the machines there, and the people pected. That is part of it. But le-t were laid off, or I presume they were not wise people be fooled by it. Let at any rate. At tha•t time thert were not the unsophisticated be deluded by 19 Europeans employed there and 25, this picture of a government of dream they called ,them natives, I suppose ers and fools and the Opposition Newfoundlanders. That plant cost knights in shining armour. It is not this Government nearly 3½ million as s,imple as that-black and white. dollars. We have heard so much Everything tihe Government does is about old maohinery coming out from wrong. Everything the Opposition Germany .J would not be a bit sur does is right. No imbecile or pinhead p1,ised to leam ~ha,t was an old would judge it that way, of course. machine, and that is ,the reason why it blew up. There was nea·rly 3½ mil MR. HOLLETT: Mr. Chairman, lion dollars paid out by the people of this is all very interesting at 1.30 in this country in order to set up a gyp the morning. We have a little lady sum plant. Actually I am not com here tak,ing everything down since 8.00 plaining about it, but the most ridic o'clock. I think it is a terrible thing ulous feature of •that thing is that it but what ca.n you ex.pect from a Gov has been losing money all the time. ernment like t·hat-1 don't expect Between February 19, 1954 and March HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1021 28, 1955, $549,600 was paid to that MR. HOLLETT: I don't know company. '\Vhat did the Government why the Honourable ~he Premier give it for? That was the question wants to make any excuses whatsoever. t,ha-t was given to me in reply to a The facts are there. The Government question. No - that is Hardboards - I put enough money into these new in am sorry. The gypsum which cost us dustries to rejuvenate the fisheries, 3.3 million dollars got $378,000. But and would put the fishermen engaged in any case, what was i.t paid for, for in the fishery today in a very pleasant losses or for profits they made? And position as far as having proper boats when we ask a question as to whether and engines and that sort of thing. people were laid off at a certain time But they set up a Fisher.ies Loan of the year we get no answer at all. Board and the terms of obtaining a ,ve don't expect any so we a-re not loan were made so difficult -~hat very much disappointed. It was Atlantic few fishermen could get any loans. I Hardboards that got $549,000, which have that from the fishermen them put that plant up to $1,400,600, and selves, who made application to Mr. A·tlantic Gloves S27 I ,000 received last Bax-ter, and the terms were so stiff year, Gold S'ail Leather Goods $.~0.000, they could not get any loan. These last year and in this year they were men here to heLp supervise these in given a further sum of $rn5,000. And dustries never had any trouble at all. we know the statements made about This advel'lismell'l 11·as put out by the Koch Shoes and Gold Sail. We know Honourable the Premier-come one the Honourable Premier of this Prov come all, and get your loan. They ince threatened them if they misbe came and got whatever they could and haved themselves they would be de a,·c st-ill ge.rting it. And we know very ported, sent out of the country. Well, well, Sir, that this has got to stop I won't go into that now. The Su sooner or later, and very soon this periO\ Rubber Company, the story has has got to stop. ,ve are only three beer told and told about all these, or four hundred thousand people h.ere and we hope some day they will suc in this country and we cannot go on ceed and turn into the people of this borrowing ten million and fourteen country a real proHt. But we have to million a,ntl fifteen million dollars and remember, Sir, when we went into God knows what it will be next. ,ve Confederation in 1949, we had forty cannot go on doing that, Sir. million dollars cash and in realizable MR. CHAIRMAN : If the honour assets fifty-one million dollars. able gentleman will excuse me, ,he MR. SMALLWOOD: Nothing like may clo that later, we are discuss-ing it. Why these figures keep cropping this now. up I cannot understand-nothing like MR. HOLLETT: Yes, Sir, but some it. of that is coming out of a loan we arc going to get this rear. I have to MR. HOLLETT: Look at the Pub refer to loans here. I don't want to lic Accounts. H has all the realizable take up too much time of the House assets-How many millions did you any more on this thing. The Govern have? We had forty-one million dol ment have brought on this trouble lars cash in the bank. themselves. I do hope tha-t the Gov MR. SMALLWOOD: We did not ernment, when they bring in their have forty million dollars. estimates next year, some of these 1022 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS items may not be here, some of us may Montreal-I suppose it is still up not even be ,here. I hope they will there if the worms have not eaten it. have in black and white just how MR. SMALLWOOD : That is the mudh each industry is needing and ,pirit of the Opposition. what it is needed for, and some reason why i.t s·hould be given these large MR. HOLLETT: Yes. amounts of money. I venture to bet that by next March when we come MR. SMALLWOOD: He knows of back to the House it will have to be carloads sent back, that is the only doulbled or tn~bled, We could keep thing he could mention. We have on talking all night about the new in shipped out thousands of carloads. dustries and show cause why ~he Gov MR. HOLLETT: I could mention ernment ought to be ashamed of cer a lot more than that. taun things which have happened in some ·new industries, and the Govern MR. SMALLWOOD: If the hon ment ,took no visirble ~teps to correct uurable gentlemen knew anything it. \Ve, ourselves, ·have pointed out more along that Ji.ne he would use it. to Lhe Government cases of mal-prac MR. HOLLETT: I could mention tice, one pointed out was a case of more than that. incompetency in some of these new industries, but the Government just MR. SMALLWOOD : Go a·head, bughs at us and finally they come mention it. around and say, yes, there is some thing to it. We will make enquiries MR. HOLLETT: I could mention about Superior Rubber. We brought dozens of other things, to t,heir notice that twenty thousand MR. SMALLWOOD: Te11 us a,bout pairs of boots were shipped to Mon them, treal markets, and sold for a dollar and a half. The Honourable the MR. HOLLETT: No - Oh no I Premier blandly informed us th:H they Mr. Chairman, I don't intend to bt. are only learning how to make these. driven into these things by the Hon He would not allow them ,to be put ourable the Premier's laugh at 3:00 on the market here in this country, o'clock in ,the morning~He is not get So they !lad to go on the Montreal ting into a row with me tonight. market. I don't think I have any,thing fur MR. SMALL WOOD : Was uot that ther to say. But I do hope that a a sensible policy, not to put your first liHle look will be taken by the Gov learner-stock on your own local mar ernrnent, into the expenditure of the ket and ruin it? people's money. If a halt is not soon cal,led to the rate of expenditure by MR. HOLLETT : Is that the rea the present administration whatever son wihy so much plywood was sent good •that came to this country by out to Montreal from the gypsum reason of Confederation with Canada plant-is that the reason why? Car will have been lo&!, loads of gypsum board shipped back from Gander ·to the gypsum plant. MR. BROWNE : Mr. Chairman, And I remember the year before when the Premier said nobody ru;ked him gypsum plasterboard was sent to what would the $1,200,000 be for. I HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1023 did, when speaking, and I ask him On motion Department of Economic now, Development carried. MR. SMALLWOOD : It is too late On motion the Committee rose to now, After an ·hour and a half or an report having passed this item. hour talking, then ask what it is for. Mr. Speaker retu~·ned to the Chair. If he did I must have been deaf. I did not hear. MR. COURAGE : The Committee of Supply have considered t•he mat MR. HOLLETT : Mr. Chairman, ters to them referred and have passed as soon as I got •to my feet I asked items under heading 1440 and 1540. what it was for, and was not told. Now I ask the Honourable tihe Prem On motion report received and ier to tell us what the $1,200,000 is for. adopted. MR. SMALLWOOD: I will say it MR. SMALL WOOD : Mr. Speaker, falls under the heading. (1) addi I move the remaining Orders of the tional working capital that I very Dar do stand deferred, and the House much fear we are going to be obliged a,t its ,rising do adjourn until tomor to advance to four of t•he new in -~igned by the residents of Terrence of LJhc honourable and learned mem ville, asking that a dootor be stationed ber for St. John's West, the first one in that place, but I don't think they being No. ,fl and the second one No. would worry too much if a doctor -+ ·I on the Order Paper of April 19. were established anywhere within a (1) 1n this connection, when we be reasonable distance. At the present gan the repairs of this building a very time, Sir, the medical services in For great diff.icul-ty presented itself, and tune Bay can be improved by estab we were a long time in finding lishing a doctor in the lower part of whether we could obtain the neces the bay-And I do support the peti sary stone. Having done tha,t we be rion to the e:\'tent that I think a doc gan work and we found it was work tory shou'id be established somewhere of a very im-por-tan,t nature, so much in tha,t locality. so that we sought the services of the The nearest doctor is at Belleomm, best and most competent man i-n tha,t which is some thirty or forty miles ,line that we could find. Even then away From Terrenceville. The doctor there was difficulty in getting some at Bel!eoram has to serve some thii•ty body with a knowledge of masonry, places, with about six thousand peo suitable for our purpose. F,inally, at ple, and it is humanly impossible for rnv request, we invited Mr. J. J. him -to do t·ha,t. Because of ~hat, it Spratt, one-t·ime rnem!ber of this has :been impossible to keep a doctor House and an ex-membe1· of the in Fortune Bay. He has not been Municipal Council, a life-long mason able to give good service, and the -I invHed Mr. Spratt to come to my doctors realize that. So that -there is office for discussions in connection need for a doctor to be established with this matter, and prevailed upon some\\shere in the lower pa11t of For- him to act on our behalf. And al 1une Bay or at the very least for a my request, he very kindly agreed to nursing station to be established there, go back into harness, despite his ad ~o that the doctor would only have to vanced years and well-earned retire attend .to ,the more seriously ill. ment. He agreed to go back and I have pleasure, Sir, in support,ing work on behalf, as liaison for us be t•his petition. I ask tha-t it be laid on t ween the workmen and. the Depart the Table of the House and referred ment of Public Works. For these 10 the department concerned. services Mr. Spratt was to be paid at the rnte of five thousand dollars per !'resenting Reports of Standing and vear or about $401.33 per month, He Select Commmittees is the supervisor to whom the greater None. part of this $8,300.00 was paid. Giving Notice of Motion and The second pa,rt of that question Questions asks for a s·tatement showing the costs, None. separately of scaffolding and general labour, giv-ing the number of persons employed under this head, wi~h the Answers to Questions ra-tes al which they were paid, and HON. E. S. SPENCER (Minister of the amount ·they received : The an Pwblic •Works) : M-r. Speaker, •I have swer, as nearly as it can be obtained, made enquiries regarding two ques I shall give oral-ly. Unfort specify and keep detailed costs of ~he terday for the same reason, ~he hon ,•a rious separate pan°ts of any partic ourable gentleman ,was not present. I ular job, so that ,1 a,m unahle to give will endeavour to ,word ,i,t for him the actual cost of the scaffolding. But again. as nearly as we can find, the scaf MR. SPEAK.cER: I don't think the folding and the material for the same House should >have •to hea,r an answer and for the shed .for tlhe ~vot1kmen and -repea,ted. part of the erection costs of that par MR. ·8.PENOFJR: Very well, Ml'. ticular item is $3,857. In addit·ion to Speaker. this the erection of the scaffolding from time to -time was carried out by MR. SIPEAKER : The honourable 'labour under the supervision of the member gave the answer very dearly. foreman-mason, and under -the super MR. SiPENCER: ,Jn connection wibh vision of our particular supervisor. Question No. 44 : The an9wer is $30,- The ma,terial and lalbour for this item 000 and the firm of architects is Uhat cost somewhere in the order of $6,643. of Mr. W. J. Ryan. T 1he work was in That includes the services of the connection with prepa.ration of plan5 watchman. ,vith regard to rates of for •Vhe Newfoundland Universi,ty, labour paid, I find ,tha,t they follow MR. BROWNE: Has ,the Minister the standard rates set in the dty. a copy to table? Foreman-carpenter $1.50 per hour, MR. SPENOE!R : Jus-t orally, II have carpenters $1.22 and $1.30 per hour, no copies. There is just one item, labourers 87c. per ihour, hoist oper S30,000. ator $1.05 per hour and watohman MR. BROWNE : Could you teH us $42 per week. the date. As I ha·ve sta,ted, :\Ir. Speaker, in MR. SPENCER : T 'rhe da-te is in prepaDing the payroHs of the depart answer to the question, w1hioh is: dul' ment the detailed costs of each par ing 'the period Olf J anua,ry I, 1954 ,to •ticular part o>f' that job or any job is March 31, 1955. That -is the only as a rule not ·taken, and so I cannot arohheot engaged 1br •the Depa,rtmen>t give the actual cost of sca~ifolding, but ()If Public Works. One otiher gentleman the ma,teria,J for it and •tlhe shed to hae >been engaged as consuHant in con gether wit•h the costs of men handling nection with ,these university ,plans, Mr. and t•ransporting the stone ,to the she, A. J. C. ,Payne, /but no payment 1has storing ,it in reasonalble saifety, ,tlJ:at is, been made to >him to TOTAL EXPENDITURE YEAR ENDING MARCH 31, 1955, FOR THE FOLLOWING PERIODICALS Papers Apr. May June July Aug. SepL OcL Nov. Dec. Jan. Feb. March Total 386.76 329.28 507.96 3,163.12 Lily News ··•···•·· ...· ···· ...... ··•·····.' .. . 185.64 20.28 145.68 296.40 398.04 351.22 210.96 238.86 92.04 ening Telegram ...... 199.20 39.60 30.00 97.92 109.88 189.12 56.64 130.08 35.40 38.40 218.04 1,144.28 nday Herald ··· •··················-- ··•· 108.90 235.80 227.40 ll8.50 197.IO 139.50 176.40 115.50 195.60 72~0 76.50 99.90 1,763.40 :1d. Gazette • h ·ooo•••••h•• •• ••• ••••••••• •• • 189.60 262.80 264.60 432.60 528.60 528.60 2025.60 563.40 268.60 223.20 344.40 5,600.30 estem Star ,o,u,,, ...... 173.60 236.95 196.35 264.35 126.00 228.36 264.99 142.10 237.65 179.90 97.65 139.75 2,287.61 F. Advei,tiser ...... ····· 105.35 111.72 80.85 119.56 91.63 105.84 90.16 60.76 76.93 40.67 57.33 940.80 iherman's Advoca,te ...... 40.60 69.65 67.80 61.60 30.10 23.97 22.05 10.50 35.00 25.20 20.30 6.65 383.42 :xfom Hosp. Pub. Co...... 19.40 17.46 17.46 54.32 1e Canadian Nurse ·· ••·· •········· 15.00 12.00 43.00 13.00 83.00 n. Journal Pub. Health ...... 18.00 18.00 36.00 18.00 90.00 Llifax Herald ········· ·· ········ ······•·· 71.40 133.52 459.36 48.75 44.20 70.88 828.11 :lney Post Record ······ ··...... 25.20 30.24 34.56 16.80 16.80 133.60 te 'Newfoundlander ...... 13.76 15.00 42.52 15.00 15.00 45.00 20.00 20.00 186.28 >Spital M~nagement ················ 15.00 15.00 s. Agric. Year Book ...... 15.00 (year) ...... 15 .00 Le Can. Gazette ···· ···············"··· 25.80 27.00 52.80 tritime Advocate ·········•·•···· ··· · 24.00 24.00 24.00 24.00 24.00 24.00 24.00 24.00 24.00 24.00 24.00 24.00 288.00 verian Weekly ·· ·······•-····•······ ·· 36.00 36.00 mes Globe & Telegraph ...... 156.80 84.00 23.80 19.60 133.98 418.18 p & Gow.n •••••••••••••••••• • •••H • • • ••• •• 30.00 30.00 ,e Gleaner Ltd. ···· ······•-· ··········· 9.80 9.80 nad:ian Fishermen 221.77 221.77 Lancia-! Post ··--··· ········•·-• ·· ···· ······ 747.60 991.20 252.00 20.16 235.00 2,245.96 tawa Journal ...... 20.00 20.00 nadian Mining Journal ...... 210.00 135.00 345.00 mtreal Star ...... 41.40 33.44 20.30 94.78 .,,,,,v 1e Toronto Star ·· ············•.. -·· 4:!.0U ,11.z u m & Bradstreet of Canada... . 2!!0.00 230.00 n. Med. Associat,ion ··· ······"····· 180.00 18.00 198.00 Id. Quarterly ...... 35.00 70.00 35.00 140.00 Id. Fed. of Labour ·•• ··· ··· ----·· 50.00 50.00 100.00 .arlottetown Guardian ...... 9.45 10.80 19.53 ::mcton Pub. Co. Ltd...... 13.00 13.00 tsiness Year Boo TOTAL ...... $23,863.36 1028 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS MR. M. M. HOIJLETT (Leader of A Bill, "An Act to Approve and- Give uhe Opposition) : Mr. Speaker, 1 asked Statutory E·fifect to an Agreement Be a question rela'live to Tourist Develop tween the Government and Frdbisher ment Loan Board. ,I got a reply with Limi-ted," on motion read a third time, regard to ,t,wo people who had received ordered passed and title lbe as on the loans. ,I wonder ,if II may as'k the Hon Order 1Paper. O'Urable the Premier if chese a·re the A Bill, "·An Aot ,to Amend ,t,he Loca1 only LJwo people who got loans under School Tax Act, 1954," on motion read tourist development? a thkd time, ordered passed and title HON. J. R. SMALLWOOD (P•rime be as on tohe Order Paper. M.inisrnr) : .I don't know. l only know A Bill, "An Act Fur~her 'lo Amend the question was answered in full, cor the Registration of Deeds ,Act," on mo rectly and accurately. Wha,tever LJhat -lion read a -third time, ordered pas.sed answer was, it is correct, and it was and ti,t.Je be as on ,the Order Paper. •handed to me by the Tourist Develop ment 'Loan Board, whose membership, A Bill, "An Aot Respecting the Pay as the honou•rable gentleman knows, is ment df ·Bounties on the Cons-truct.ion primari'ly made up of Deputy Minis of Fishing Stuips," on motion read a ters. V,lha,tcvcr the answer was ,i,t is vhircl time, ordered passed and title 'be correct. as on tihe Order Paper. MR. HOLLETT : lln that case, J A Bilol, "An Act to Amend -the Dis ·take i,t lihere ~vere only two loans, otriot CouPLs Act," on motion read a wthich were granted during -t'he yea,r. I third ,time, ordered passed and t·i•tle ,be should .Jike to ask another question of as on the Order •Paper. the Honourable the P,remier - Is the firm of Adilers Limited of London the A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Hrm sv1hich was ·rnfe1'red to last night? Uhe Slum Olearance Act," on motion read a third time, ordered passed and MR. SMALLWOOD : Yes. ti-tie be as on the Order Paiper. MR. HOLLETT : Thank you. A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Trus tees Aot," on motion read a ~hi.rd otime, Orders of the Day ordered passed and tit'le be as on tlhe 01·der •Paiper. Third Readings : A BiU, ' 'An Act Respecting Bulk A llill, "An Act Ful'tJ-.er to Amend Sa.Jes," on motion Tead a third time, or the City of St. John's Act," on motion dered passed and LJiitle be as on the read a thi-rd time. Order 'Paper. HON. L. :R. C:UR'T1I,5 (AHorney A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Pro General) Mr. Speaker, 11 would like vision of ,Build,ing Standards," on mo to make one cor-reotion ·in connection tion read a third time, ordeTed passed with -that Bill, •t1he St. John's Bill - tlhe and tit.,Je he as on ·Lhe Order •Paper. drafting -was criticised. 'I would li'ke to ma,ke ,it clear that the dra:fting of A Bill, "An Act Fur-t'he-r to Amend the City Council Bill is not done at my the Boiler and ,Pressure Vessel Act," on dfifice. mot,ion read a ~hird -time, ordered passed and •tide be as on •the Order On motion ordered passed and tit'le Paper. be as on ,~he Order Paper. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1029 A Bill, "An Act to Approve and Give passed and ·title ·be as on ,t'he Order Statutory Effect to an Agreement Be Pa,per. tween l'he Government and ~he Union A Bi'll, "An Act Furthe-r to Amend Electric Light and Power Company bhe ,va,ter and Sf'werage Cor,poration of Limited Relating to a Franchise," on Greater Con1er Brook Act," on motion motion read a third time, ordered passed a,nd tii'tle be as on tlhe Order read a VhiTd time ordered passed and title be as on ,t;he 0-rder ,Paper. Pa,per. A Bill, "An Act Further -to Amend A Bill, "An Act ·to Ap,provc and Gave the Local Au,thority Guarantee Act, Statutory FJnfect to an Agreement Be 195,2," on motion read a -t'hird time, tween t,he Government an your thoughts more or less under con by saying our economy - •he said: "Our trol when you have a good crOIW'cl to prov,ince !has just completed anot'her talk ·to. When I say a good crowd I remaTka:ble year of prosperi•t.y, un don't necessarily mean religious - look doubtedly the most prosperous year of at what ,I have on tlhe opposite side of our histOTy" - "Undou'l>tedly the most vhe House now, all the talent tl see ,prosperous yea·r of our history." Now, facing me, Sir. I ·remember there was whether •that prosperity aipp~ies ,to the a ministry one time ca·Hed the Ministry Government of whether it aipplies ,to of Talents. This, I take it we have on Dhe people I don't know. I don't know tlhe opposite s,ide now. T1he Ministers exactly what the Minister meant. Jif it ~hink ,it is the ministry of all ·vhe •talent app'lies •to rhe Government's frnances I in Newfoundland. For ,tha,t •reason, I fail to see where •there is any signs o;f mus,t say, tha'l in congratu'1a-ting the prosperity. As far as I analyzed the Honouraible Minister Oif Finance, for address, I :find ·we went in •tlhe hole last whom I have a very high regard, I yea-r some nearly ·fifteen miillion dolfars, mu~t indeed say how sorry ·J am that 14.8, I ~hink, to be exa,cl. Because, he did not have something upon wlhich Sir, although the Honou•ra!ble Miinister he could wotk properly, something showed to us a smaH su11plus, or at into w'hidh lhe could get his teeth, and least a surplus, I believe of a million something upon which he could have doHa-r·s or something on current ac compi,led a really excellent dream. count, we frnd ·thait on capital account The one •that •we -have here is excel there 1was a tru.Jy large deficit. And, len,t, but sometimes nhese things Sir, ·the idea of -breaking t•he two which are exceHent don't mean ,too amounts of expendi~ure - much when •trhey a·re kicked wbout. MR. SIMA'LLWOO-D : Would •Uhe picked apart and so on. honourable gentleman a.Jlow me to ask I had some notes here today, but him a ques•tion. Could he tell me what rhey have lheen all scabtered a'bout in ProVJince of Canada last year or it'he the hocns pocus oif tr)•ing to keep up year before or the year before that, wi-t'h the times and keep up wHh ,the say for five years. what P,rovince or Jones's and wiJth the Premier, if you Provinces of Canada did not !have a de wish. fidt on capita•] account except Allberta? - Name one. T •his bud.get, Mr. Speaker, tl am ap palled in the first place at its •brevity, M:R. HOLLETT : 1 don',t know if a·nd ,in ·Vhe second place for the small that is a part of this. ,r think it would amount of material w1hioh had been 1be out of order if I started to refer to put into h. I remember last year and ~hese other Provinces. I don't' want to the year before and the year !before get out of order so early in the morn that again the Honouraih'le Miniister of ing. N it is ·the thing to do, to show Finance went to all sort5 of pains to def,ici ts, ~hen I say, this Governmernt is tell us aibout the prosperity of the keeping up wi•th the .Jones's. My God! country, and ,tell us what each industry Mr. Speaker, come to think of it - contributed -to ·the welfare df the Look at our country! 1 am tired of country, to tell us about the wages repeating this. 11 wish t'he Government earned, the gross national ,product and and particularly the Finance Minister a,bout the prospects of t'he future, etc. would begin ·to ,get i•t knocked into Now •t1here is very lit-tie of tha·t in this ~heir brains - Look at us! In 1949 ,we budget. He sta·rted out, Mr. 5peaiker, went into Union \\nith Canada - But HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1031 keep in ·Uhe back of your mind the con nol't1heast coast and on the sou~h-west ditions of the country in the thirties coast - and I could refer •to Dhe whole - Keep bhat in the back of your mind ,fishery. ,I fail to see where the economy - Then in 1949 we had tha,t 'load taken of the fishery has ,increased in strength off us when our debt was taken over in a·ny ,branch of it. H I look at any by Canada, and the ·M'inister olf Fin fishery c.ompany today I see - 1the ance could go down to the Bank of wha,Jing fishery, none - .we lhad •to pay Montreal and dra,w a cheque for f-orty off thirty thousand dollars yesterd1ay, mi,Hion America is not Loo secure. As a matter bring in better ,times, who elected of fuct, we all know that in the last vhem because they ,were going to mar depression it sta111ed there a couple of ket ,their £ish acnd who elected ~hem years a,head of us, and then ~pread to because they hoped, Sir, to Hve, in Canada and spread to ns. A depTession peace and quietness and fear df God anrwihere in any big nation of the and fea,r of no man, in the homes in world must necessarily go -h'ke smaal which they had ,been 'brnu,ght up. "i[n pox, a·ll acrnss •tihe world, particula,rly the ·field of fishery development things aM across the westem world. So there are taking very definite shape, and be is no ,point in saying •that our economy fore the present year ex•pires much is not so good as to be a·ble lo repel a progress will have !been made. We all depression, shO'Uld one come. agree that it is a mockery ,to speak of "My optimism for Newfoundland is ensuring prosperjty in Newifioundland wi~howt prosperous fisheries." Why in based en,tirely u,pon facts that a,rc ava,ilable .to every member of this the name of goodness did the M,inister House," the Min,is'ler says : Bu,t, where s·peak of enduring prospedty? Why are they? 'Where a-re ,the facts? H I had speak of prosperity in such terms as he did? We aII agree it is a mockery. them I would gladly sholl' them. H I had the facts to show that our economy Of course we do. ActuaHy •there are only alJ.lout t~l'o lines in -t·he field of had roroadened and our people had fishery development. "Tlhiings are tak become stronger physicaHy and stronger i,ng very defin i,te sha,pe and !before the economically, '1 won'ld 'be glad to tell present year ex,pires much progress will it. I see no point in writing that kind have been made." of HuBf and reading it over the air to our peopile. I want •n MR. MER,CER : The ibest. -the •name olf God! - five hundred ithou sandl do Ila-rs for a chocola,te faotory. I MR. HOLLETT : The -bes·tl Some don't know whether it is lolly•pops - a•rc powered •wi-th engines of 60, 70 and five hundred Lhousand dollars - why 90 h .,p. and go dff Cape -St. Francis in •~hat would give about .7ik. a quintal all sorts of weather a,t all times of die on every fish caught las-t year. But we year and bring in a lot of !fish. In the w,ill 1be told of course, if rwe get a name of goodness, ,Mr. Speaker, ,i.f we chocolate factory here ,i,t wul•l employ are going to ,hold on to men of •that so many people, so many fami-l'ies, and ty,pe, let us make i,t poS&iible .for them look at all ithe good i!l rwill do - i,t will to earn a decent living, and not have take some men out df ,the .fishery and the Govermnell't put•ting any obstacles put them in'to the chocolate faotony. in t!heir way, by not paying them smf Tha-t is what we were told a1bout the ficient for their fish, and then blam}ng machinery pfant and we ,we.re ,tolld that the Wa·ter 1St-ree.t merchants. Tha-t a1bou1t all 1t1he other plants. Jn Decemlber won't do. Around -t ha,t lbay, Sir, and of last yea-r, Sir, the gypsum plant around the Burin area and around the which cost us S3.3 mi!aion doHars had whole coast ,we don't want to make 19 foreigners working in ,its p1an't and Hesh of one and -fish of another. The 25 Newfoundlanders. That only cost .fishe11ies in rhe old days, and 11 aru us 1three and a third minion dollars. q,uJ,te sure today, nur-~ured the !finest, bravest and mos,t honest and upright l ,think, Sir, our fisheries should have men thail ever i-L -was the blessing of merited a lot more ,than three lines .in -the countvy to raise or ,produce. Oh the lbudiget speech, and I bellieve they ~hey can f.iight all right, ,they can fight! spent over .fi,~ty mi,llion dollars, J think And '1 am advising the fishermen ri•g1ht iit was forty - tw·o millions the Govern ·here and now, unless they fight a li·brle ment spent last year, and maybe more. harder, un]e_,;s they fi-giht a little ·hard er, the money -which is being taken Last year, Sir, gett•ing -back to the from their pockets and put down in the fishcric.-s, Poi,tugal rcluctamly, •and I Treasury of this Governmernt will go say reluctantl,y, took a mere trwen.ty-five out, as it has in the last four OT five ·rhousa•nd quinita.Js of fish from us, and years, to foreigners, and not go -back •bha1t, Sir, is only a ternth d f -the quan 10 them. So they got to 1f,ighit, and I ·tri-ty which she took from us twenty am ·tellling 1tthem H1ey got to fighit. £i-ve years a,go. Now I would ask the There a-re two ways, only, Sir, and I members of the Government, very soon won't go into tha-t now, lbut I am ad nmv, ,to go down on the wharves and vising our .fis•hermen -T·hey have a look a,t the lbcautilful fi slt-ing vessels federation, which should be ajb,Je •to down there, and loo-k a•t rhe Por-tuguese spea'k 'Wli'lh one of ,rhe strongest voices fishermen as ·they go t•hroug·h our that we ever had ,in this coull'try. And ~treets, weH-clad, clean and a fine tyipe i,f they talk loud enough there is no of men, a vevy fine type of men. And governme111t under the sun, even we have not had anry trouible what though it may lbe headed 1by such a ever aris-i- n,g from ,their association man as t,he Honom-a,ble the Premier, wi'th our men. I don't expect ·t•hey are milliona-ires. None of them th-ave a can fail to -listen to ·them. We have chocolate fac!tory, lbu,t they are good been told, only yesterday, ,t-ha't the honest-to-goodness men ~virh good Governmen't is goi,ng to !bring a man shiips to go to sea, whereas -we have not in here to ereot a chocolaite factory. In as good as we had twentry-!five ye-an HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1035 ago. The resul,t ,is rhat Por,tuga'1 today fair to a1t'tribute it rto the visit of the is landing 7'5% of her required numlber Honourahle M,inis-ter. \Ve knmv in of quintals, but she still could take Cuba, in N01'lvay we ,have quite a com 250,000 quintals from us but is now petitor, and !l could go on •about the getting it elsewhere because we are not P·uerto Rico market. able ito compete with other countries Last year Brazil took bwenty-five catch!ing fish. I wonder ,would the thousand quint-als, the firnt for four Honourable Minister of Fisheries tell years. I rememlber when we h-ad a me how many quintals of fish we fleet of ships, three-mast vessels, t,wo shipped to Spain ,la&t year? il dare sav hundred and fi;fity ,tons, saii!ing -to ~ would have to ,gtve notke of tha,t. Brai;il with many many -loads of fish. But the facts are tha1t Spain last year Brazil ,took at that time oome four took a mere thirty ,thousand quintals -hundred ,thousand quirntals of fis·h. of fish f.rom us, 1wihen former;ly we They were great sailors -and great ships, shipped to Spain two hundred and fifty huge two hundred and fi£ty ton ves thousand quirnta,ls. Spain catches about sels. T1ha·t ,was twenty-five years ago. seven hundred thousand quintalls and T,hese were sai.ling ships, lbeaut·Lful she imports albout four hundred 1hou s-J1ips, ,with no engines. That was 'be sand more, and yet we only got ,thirty fore boa·ts. J have referred to t'his once to wonder if we should not start a before, ·Sir, and .that is this : Our men movemenit ,to get unemploymenit in who go down .into the mines and dig surance for mem'bers of this House, the weal,l'h from the b01Wels of ,t,he they ,have :been gone so long. I was earth, when ,they get laid off n<>IW are ta,lking l!'bout all the other people -liv entitled to unemployment insurance. ing in this Province for ,the last six Our men who go into the woods lO years since we have lbe-come a Prov~nce cut the logs, ,they wo, Sir, receive un of Canada, employed in almost any employment insu-mnce when rhey are work wiha,tsoever, they :rmt in so many laid off. The men who work in t.he stamps, put in so many 11ours of work mills, the men who work in the recent each year and i1f they get Ja,id o,£f their ly imported new industries, they too unemployment is pa,id out of 1the gen a,re entitled ito unemployment insur eral economy of the nation, And if ance. The men who are employed by •Uhe genera,] economy of ~he nation can my honourable friend, the Minister of pay Jo·Jrn Jones ,who wor,ks on the Public Works on the road, they ,too, in whar,f, unemployment, surely it ought the slack time of t:he year, are entitled to be alble ,to pa,y the man who catches to unemployment insurance, The the 'fish and brings it in to him - for longshoreman w,ho •wheels a wheelbar without t:he 1fishe11men the man would row from t'he head stage or ~vharf into not get employment, none ~vhatsoever the store with a load of fish, he, too, is in a good many senses, So we are all eITtitled to receive assistance hy way of for that. I know the Government wants unem,ployment insurance, But wha·t unemployment ,insurance for our fish about our fishermen who go out and ePmen, and when they go to Ottawa brave rhe dangers of the deep, who go now will go all out for Lhat. I am down ~o the sea in s:hips, ~vcinter and qui,te sure they could have the services S"u·m,mer, and riS"k t•heir •lives, what con of Mr. P,ickersgi.]1! up there almost sitleraition are 1they ge,tting .from the every day rhey are up there. Government of Canada? That reminds me - The Government HON. M. ,P. MURRAY (Minister of is going away to Ottawa - I wonder, Provincia-1 A,fifairs) : Unemployment some of the members ha,ve been so insura,nce is coming. long gone, oou-ld ,we have a search for ,uhis Government, Sir, down on ithe MiR. HOLL,ETT: Unemployment beaches in Jamaica. 11 think ,the Hon insurance is coming! Well we have ouralble t:he Premier could arrange been toltl albout a good many things uha•t, ,vith a,]] his connect-ions down which are coming, and ,I will come w there. But let not the G-Overnment t-ha,t ,later. But in tihe meantime I for,get ,the fishermen. I maintain you think I have ex·haused my oratory, and have forgotten ,uhem this ,time. and as I am going to request His Honour, an af,terthought puit in a mere three Mr. Speaker, H we could have a •ten lines on ,t:he fisher,ies. The Premier minutes recess. is going to cart out the figures, and repeat the .figures he gave ,last night On motion the House recessed for and tell all the ·wonde1,ful ,tl1ings the ten minutes a,£.ter which Mr. Speaker Governmerut 1has done for rhe fi~heries. returned to the 'Chair. 11 say 1the Government 'ruld loaned MR. HOLILETT : Mr. Speaker, i money to many 'fishing firms and was speaking aibou,t unemployment in ,thereby have assisted fishermen in the surance for ,filshermen. I am beginning fish !business. There is no question HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1037 a1bou,t ,LJhat. Nobody is goin,g to dis were machines which ,were in use in pu Le it. I ,will sary, we had our fresh Germany many years ago, broughit O'llt fishermen long ,before this Govern here as new machinery and put •in ment came into being. There were ,these plants. Somebody was defrauded, fr11ms ,producing mi>llions of pounds MR. SiMA'LLWOOD : If there 1s MR. HOLLETT: Thank you, Mr. any.thing irruproper we should know -it. Speaker, I cannot say anything more iH the honoura!b]e gen,tleman knows albou,t i•t then. At any rnte, Sir, l anything improper albout that mink would have •t'hought lt'hat more than provis,ion or any part of it he should mink and lbogs ,wou'ld have come ouot tell us, and right ouot in public. of the Forestry Report. I don't mean to ,put it ot-ha.t way - ,I would have MR. HOLLETT : In priva,te. ,thought that the Governmernt :would don',t want to damage an,y,bod-y's repu ·have 1been more ener,getic in rhe ot·her tation. matters which •were repo11ted on in MR. SMALLWOOD : Let us have connect'ion with -agl'iculture ,than they it out in public. Lf uhere is anything were in forestry. There is then the to be -told. dream of the 1third mill, which we aH hope wi,11 come ,true, certainly we M'R. HOLLETT : ,I ,pu.t •it '10 ,vhe hope that i,t is going ,to come t•rue. But HonouraMe t'he ·Prem-ier and ,the Hon 1 do not 1ike :the idea of the Govern ouralb'1e Minister of :Mines and !Re ment aLwa-ys going on ,the 1air and sources, they should make ,a carefu 1 going irrto the press with most glowing examination ,i,nto a11 aspects, •terms In conneo~ion wiith any sugges ,tion which ,has been made to it-hem M,R. SMALLWOOD : We have done w-.ith regard to m-ills arrd mink and that, and ,we will do it. wi1th regard to manufacture of choco MR. HOULETT : I ask you •to lates and everythirrg else. They are continue. Of course I don't like the a,Lways waxing eloquent and teiiling ,the piece of ,legislation brought in yester people what is going to ,be next year, day whereby :the Government has the five years hence. And this, Sir, is a right ,to monopolize the manufacture pa·rt - 11 know very well 1the Govern of pothead whales and minke -whales ment are ,t,rying ,to create a good im into food for mink. Why should t'he '(>ression ,about themselves at •th'is par Government give any monopoly to ,ticular time, and [ don't see any anybody, •and I ask this Government reason why they should not, Olf course. to deny it now, if they will, ,tlhaJt they MR. SMADLWOOD : Is •tha1t •the do not intend •to creaote or set up a election? monopoly. MlR. SMALLWOOD : I den~• i1t now MR. HOLLETT : That must :be 1the completely and albsolutely and unqual election coming up. ifiiedly. Not only t·hat, the only sug MIR. SMALLWOOD : Would -the gestion t'ha•t ,uhere was a mono.poly ihonoura1b On motion debate adjourned. t'hat one of the expressions used by ,t•he Honoura1b!e the Minister of Fin On motion the House ,t;hen recessed ance; it had ,to do ,with ,the 1initerest of un.t-il 3:00 of the clock. 1the Governmernt since it firnt came to ,power in surveys . "Tlhis Govern ment," the Minister sa,ys, in the past TIHURSDAY, April 21, 1955 half dozen years has spent many ·thou sands of dollars -in geologioal surveys. The House resumed at three of the "Dhe first fru.it of ,these efforts are cloak. a1bou,t to ,be seen ,for not on~y are Iarger miJ.ls -to be erected at THt Cove MR. HOLLETT : Mr. Speaker, I 1but oLhers are to 1be ereoted after. l do not intend to ,take u,p mu-ch more doulbt " 'hether the Government con time. I have enough dynamite to ducted any geologica~ surveys in Tilt blow the Government side of the Cove. House 10 'bits ,bu,t ,I prefer not -to set i,L off al this particular ·time. Afiler M,R. SMA!l.JLWOOD : The honour having a good lunch I fe el generous a'ble me1T11ber ,is very much ast-ray. towards the 'Whole world. '"'e are p ressed for time since ,the House MR. HOLLETT : Not very much opened. " ' e have no t had much ,time. astray, i,t looks hoperul a't Til1t Cove. bu,t I do hope our hopes and their \>\'e 1have been getting ,to b ed 1bhese paM few nights a•t one, ,two and ,three hopes will be realized. Not only is a o'clock. We left here two o'alock last hariger concentrnte m'i \l ·to 1be ereoted ni,ght and most of us have orher work ,tlhis year lbut other mines and mills to do !besides. We !ha ve been ,pressed are to follow elsewhe1-e a1fterwards. harder this session than any session J We are not told where ~hey are to lbe have ever 1been in to keep up with ,t,he or where we have to go ,to follow ithem. Jones's. The whole reason is thait t'he \Ve 'lhin·k this Government would not Premier ,wants to go •to O,t,taw a. v\le have ,to go back ,to ,uhe people for a can't keep him home. al aH. This fresh mandate. I don',t know whevher it is to borrow the sixteen rniUion loan time he is going to take hrnH ,the Cab 1i net with him. Where they go from coming up or to borrow the one next -tlha,t I do n',t think we should 1bother year. I thought ,the honoura1ble mem very much. ber was a:bout to geL up and tell me where tihey are or where ,~hey are com MR. SMALLWOOD : Jamaica. ing from. I am not pointing out refleotions, I am pointing out dreams. MR. HOlJLETT : Tha,t is not a,t \,Ve 'have ·never been ashamed with our the moment ,a very comfortable place. pre-oC MR. SMA•I.JLWOOD: You do not sideraibly; forests, we are going to have want •the 1honoura,ble members of the a parper mill it seems; minerals, -they Government to find -words for the Op are going •to open up Tilrt Cove; 'Wa•ter position. ,power -we do not know any-thing albout except ot:ha•t we give to a compainy to ,MR. HOI.;LETT : [ have 'hea,rd generate more electricity; agriculture, Gregg's Eggs around lawn, 1 don't we are gettinrg .the mink; industrial, I know whether any of 'You know Wlhat do ,not ·know much albout ithart. He that means. Go around' •town and see says : "So, in this my fourt'h 'budget where people habi•tuallry congregaote speech I am happy to re.por-t to the during an evening and you ~di'! hea•r people •that their Province is marching i:t. I will not give you •vhe derivaotion steadily a,head and ·it is going to, etc." of that. ,I referred to the fishery this Just how far? I am not aiware of rhe morning and I did appeal to the Gov .faot that ·certain of the loans which e1:nment on that sid'e o'f -the House -to have 1been borrowed hy ·us have done try to preserve these splendid •in-Sihore some good in some areas, /but [ am fishermen which •we have in t:his aware of the .fact that much of oountry. [Jf we can'•t preserve ,these the money raised on those ,Joans was in-shore fishermen in a better state of not spent in ~he 'best ,interes•ts. They livelihood we don't deserve them and might have meant to spend ·them in we ,will not he aible to .preserve New the •best in•terests hut •l•hey did not foundland and we may just as well ,turn out thaot way. Du1t 'how far can not have gone in rwi,t,h the Dominion we go? When under the pr.otect,ion of of Carnada. We have as fine a people Great Britain and we got beyond one as you will rfind an'}'!Where in the hundred miHion we were swamped. world. I would not care df the Gov We are now under the wing of ernment put 0.'1'! •the sixrteen million i-t Canada. We had 1110 national debt in borrowed into the fishery. I would 1949 and now we have a forty million not care >i,f •they did not make a suc na,tional debt. How much fu11ther can cess of it, if ,they ,ti;ied. we go? How much fu11ther is this Gov ernment going •to 1be allowed to go? The Honoura'ble M.inister of Wel One or t;wo things can happen which fare's Department is proba;bly doing as can stop this course on ·which we are much or more than any department naw emibarked. 'Jot can rbe s-top.ped by of the Government •to Uy arnd alleviarte the ,people and it can lbe stopped rby some of the We are in difficulties -tod-ay. 1 sutb a1b}e Minister for Finance, that it is a mit if ,we 'have lo appeal to -the money tax on motor ca•rs. They might say -lenders, appeal ,to them to tbuy our we have too many cars now and' will bonds then ~ve are in di1flfi.culties. not !have to build as many roads. T'ha'l Every province borrows money but is rather a silly argument i1f they have they do not all borrow ,too much taken that attitude. I ,believe •t,he money and they do not a·!Jways lborrnw seventeen cents 'lax a gallon on gaso year after year after year. Last year line is as high as any place in Canada, we spent •nearly .fifiteen mHliDTI more i:f not in ·the world. A lot of people than we s•hould and nex•t year we shall wiH not mind tha,t 'bu:t tthere are a fot spend nearly sixteen miHion more of .people who wilt than we sha}l take in. ,~1e must re MR. ~PEAKER : l "'voul How are we going to get 1it? By approve of. tax-ation? It is the only way. This MR. SIM,ALJ...WOO'D : What aibout year we have ha:d to put on an increase ~he fifteen hundred miles of road ~ve iin the gasoJ.ine tax. The Government have built? knows just as •well as I know tha1t two cents a gallon on gasol>ine wiH get MR. HOLLETT : I have yet to see them nowhere. U i,t gives rhem ,three some of these roads. Some of ,them or four hundred thousand dollars that were in the 'budget speech yesterday. is the outside. ,ve used about fifteen 'l am a-ware •Chat some miles Public Works sold madhinery and and c-hey have contracted OT offered machine parts •to the contractor for so to corntract to atbou-t $20,000 or over Ht~le ·tha,t most ,people would. not have S20,000 per mile. Now tha1t is •the two picked it up for junk. Ilf i,t is worth lumlbering companies - so I ~imP'lY no more ,than th:at - ,)25 for a scraper re£ute Che honourable gentleman's which cost $3,,200. It is prdbalbly half statement as incorrect. worn out, or probably all worn ou1t. M'R. HOLLETT: H ,took you a \Vhat is rhe contractor going to do .Jong time to say ,it. wi-l'h S25 for a scraper that oost $3,200 - foundlanders will aN !be over-taxed. I t·here a:re not many parts in a scraper. •always maintai,n, and II think some of rhe members maintaJn that that road MR. COURAGE: That is rock should have been put ,there by ,the bottom p-rice. Government of Canada, like a military MR. SP•EN0ER : J.f they buy two road, and should have !been one of and make one that is an idea, ,the Terms of Un'ion. MR. HOLLETT : 'If a person 'buys Now I know t,he honoura1ble the two to make one ,wha,t do I say of the Premjer is anxious to get to Ottawa, DepaTtment of Public Works ,that paid and I am glad to see hoim go to S3,200 for one. 0ttaiwa, MR. SMALLWOOD: Don't forget MIR. SlPENCER: And ipa:y mo-re a:bout the shining. than ~ha,t. MR. HOLLETT : ,I am gald ,to see MR. HOLLETT : I am only cka,v Mm go everywhere he ,goes. It makes ing conclusions from the statement news. And ,the newspaper people tell made 'by the Honournble Minister. me when ihe ,has gone there is no ne MR. HOLLETT : Whait has that money lenders that way and they g ernment when it came into power, and legal procedure is not to be ad with fifty mil,lion dollaI"s in ,t.he 1bank. mired. We had to put him in jail first, <:anvict lhim of gui'lt, then a,ttach MR. SMALLWOOD : H -was forty his property. mHlnons t-his morning. Now it is fifty. MR. HOLLETT : Attach his pro MR. HOLLETT : I can prove i,t perty - What property? Wha·t pro• was fi,Fty. 1 can prove it. FOTty mi•l• perity has he ,got? lion doilars hard cash in the !bank of Montreal and real,izaible cash assets MR. SMALLWOOD : A neiwspaper made up othe rest. Now you don'•l in Toronto or shares in it. want any better than that. That is a·ll MR. HOLLETT: Tha:t s•tatement gone. That is all gone. of the ,Premier was denied 1by ,the Presi MIR. SMALL:1..VOOU: Down Lhe dent of the Latvian newspaiper in sewer - nothing •to shOIW for it? Toronto. MR. HOLLETT : Some has gone MR. SMALLWOOD : Of course, if d01wn the sewer, some is going into •the 'honourable ,gentleman prefers to bog lands, some into mink farms. take -his word to •~he Premier's there is no -law to prevernt it. Read [•t. MR. SMALLWOOD : How can it go in,to bog lands if it is a,U gone? MR. HOLLETT : "·P-remier Smaoll wood, Newfoundland, said in a report, MR. HOLLETT : Some went down ·March 30, tha-t Valdmanis owned a vhe 'Icelandic Throats, or boats, i Latvian newspaper 4n Toronto, but mean. Mr. Sei,gheim would have got• we awn it." Now the Honouraible •tlhe ten a .Jot o.f it. Premier just repeated tha•t statement. MR. SM ALLVi'OOD : Mr. Sei~heim? MR. SMAL·L WOOD : Tha·t ·is right. MR. HOLLETT : He •would ·have, if he could have gotten a~vay with it. MR. HOLLETT: That is incorreot accordiing to ~his ,fellow who says: MR. SMALLWOOD : Alway with "Vald,manis never owned the Latvian what? American, •which then ,was the onl,y Latvian newspaper 1publis'11ed in Tor MR. HOLLETT : The money. Dr. onto. -Jots oiwne-r is t'he Latvian Relief Valdmanis got arway with a nice lfotle &ooiety, of which I am president. For ·bit. more than two years I have been MR. SMALLV1100D : We will get transact,ing aU its !business and ,~here othat ,ba·ck, and he is 'in ja,il, rwe are has :been no correspondence with getting a good 1bit lback. SmaLlwood or his pa1,ty." That is signed iby the president of ,the Latvian MR. HOLLETT : From rwhere? ReHef Society in Toronto. N01w that may he a lie. I don''! know. MR. SMALLWOOD: From him. MR. SM,ALLWOOD: Or aoHema MIR. HOLLETT : I think you ti·vely, the 'Premier may !be a Har, and ought 1to 'have •gotten t•hat ;before you o.f course othe honouraible gentleman put ·him in jail. •takes his choice - His colleague to MR. 6'MALLW00tl) : The honou~ his right ·has al-ready decided iwho is ~ble gentleman's knowledge of law the 'liar. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1047 MR. HOLLETT : Or the altter M\R. SMALLWOOD : We have native, the Honouraible the PremieT nothing to b,Jush about. The man •to may have been misinfm-med. •blush is not the Honourable Leader of the Opposition. The man -to !blush MR. S,MAiLLWOOD : The Honour is Valdmanis. He was •the criminal. able the Premier has not been misin formed. Dr. Valdrnan,is is a substantial MR. HOLLETT: ,I would say, Sir, shareholder of the newspaper in ques ~haot there must 'have 1been some care tion and we as his sole credi,tors are lessness on the part of the Govern the owners now of these sha-res. ment wi,t.h ·w'hich Val'dmanis rwas working, to arllow such a thing a•s that MR. HOLLETT : The Government to happen. And I don'-t want to get owns ,them now? into anything contentious. Mr. Leja, who is now in charge df the Gypsum MR. SMALLWOOD: "We" mean Plant came in here ,in 1950 accom "Government." panied hy •this man who had •been sent MR. HOLLETT : How much are over -wi,th ,fi.Hy ,thousand doilars in a they worth? nice little black attache case, I think it was. And •they came, of aH places M.R. SM:ALLWOOD : We .wi-1,J find in the •world, Sir, firs•t to the New out when ,we sell it. found-land Hotel and ~hen ,to t,he House of Assemlbly, wid1 .fi.fty •thousand MR. HOLLETT: Every time I dollars of ,good money, ,taken from the think of Valdmanis I blush. ·when [ pockets and hearts and souls o'f people look at -this statement I actually blush of this country, and handed over to at Vhe amount which went to ·his the crook, VahLmanis, here in the credit, Valdmanis's credit, .in ,the bank House of Assem!bly. S.i-r, that is where of New York - OctO'ber 1, credit $50,- it started, and ended up down by the 000. January I, 1951 Belgian Ameriican lake, 'I say - And [ am not b:laming Bank Corporation $40,000. Then they the Government - But I do say there got $90,000 there. Dr. Valdmanis gave was carelessness somewhere. his Fower of a~torney and he paid out S75,000 to Samuel z,weiker, and t'hen MR. SMALLWOOD: The careless ness was on Valdmanis's •pa1,t, He -is .$50,000 was again put to his credit in jail. January 23, 1951 and ,then on Fe MR. HOLL·ETT: A lot of them. ber or whenever it is in Otta~va, not don't care to repeat ,them nOIW. here, which w.iH redound to the ·best interest and real good of •~his country. MR. SIMA11JLWOOD : Just repea•L I want ,them to know -tha-t the Opposi one clia.rge. Cha1·ges - sound like tion is 1be>hind •them in aH their efforts criminal indictments. Wha-t charges? to lbe made in Ottawa or anywhere else That I am lazy? Tha,t I talk too much? for the welfare of our rpeople. I want That I am insolent? That I am a them ,to know tnat, although rwe cr,iti crook? ,vhat does the honoura1ble gen• cize them an ~Vhether we are or whether ·we are not ,fail! - So •that we have had for ,two I want the Ministers on •t'he opposite years 1sunning, the misfortune of hav side to know that we expect them to ing our honourable friends opposite do a good, honest job in -the important make election speeches day a.fter day, positions which bhey ·hold, as the Gov and night after ni,ght in ·this House of ernment of this Prov,ince of Canada. Assemi'bly, when they ought to have Thank you, :Mr. Speaker. been making sober and careful and ob jective speeches ana,Jyzing the business MR. SMALLWOOD : Mr. Speaker, that came before the House. Now that 1 wiU not detain ,the House very •long, is a misfortune. But 1 don't think I but there are two or three things that could have done othe11wise. 'l don't ought to be said. It is the prerogative think -that it ~vould have been proper olf the Leader of the Government to or tha,t it would now be •proper for me decide when a general election should -to ,inform the world for a day in ad be held. It is his prerogative to advise vance or an hour even in advance the personal represenLative of the at all what advice I propose to tender Soveriegn when he should dissolve to His Honour the Lieutenant-Gover parliament, or ·vhe Legislature in die nor. After I have tendered the advice case of a Pro¥ince, and issue his pro I will make it public, But I wilil not clamation for the holding of a general make public in advance the advice that election. And perhaps 'f have made a 'l propose •to ,tender to t•he Lieutenant serious mistake, perhaps I have done Govemor. So, for ,that reason, •I am something which is damaging to the (barred from saying when the general good conduct of this Legislature by election wiH •be held until first 'I have fai'ling to give the House and Vhe peo advised His Honour as to when he ple a very clear-cut idea of ,when the should dissolve •the Assemlbly and issue nex-t general election wiH be held or his proolama-tion of rhe holding of a when His Honour will be adv,ised by general election. I say, Mr. Speaker, me to dissolve this Legislature and that my honoura!bie friends opposite, issue a proclama,tion for the 'holding of through this entire session have con a general election. Perhaps I have sidered in their speedhes everyvhing damaged ,the cause of careful and ob ,tha•t came before the House in the jective considerntion of the business light of a genera'! election. ,rn short, that came !before this House last year they have ,merely made ,pol,itical pro and again this year. Because Sir, paganda. vil'tually aH of the ,business of this This side of the !House are not pre sess-ion has been conducted by my hon occupied by thoughts of a genera,! ourahle friends opposite under the eleotion. The thing that concerns us shadow of a general election, or at aH least of all is t1he day of tlhe next gen events under ,the shadow of a phantom eral electi'On which must he held ei-~her genera-I election, a general election that this year or next year or the year after. •they ,fell, and felt quite sure, is ,ve have bigger things to do and on imminent, is albout to •happen. the outcome of this general election Now most of ,the business vha-t came we have never had ,the least feair. It before t'he House last year was con may lbe unlf'o11tunate, perhaps it woul'd ducted by them, II ·thought, in the same be better for Newfound1land if ,we had spirit - again last year they were some doubt albout the outcome of ~he confident that I was going •to advise election. H might make us a ibe~ter the holding of a general election last Government. I say this now sincerely 1050 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS that Newfoundland is losing. I know honourable friend made the remark they may use this against me in the that last year we went in the hole. The nex,t tgeneral election. Slhe is losing by Government, New:foundland, went in havin-g suoh a smaN Opposition. This the hole. That is a well-known ·way of House is losing. Honoura/ble gentle saying we -lost money or we spent more men opposite, those of them who have than we took in, tha•t we incuned a been alble to attend t:his session, ·those deficit. We ended the year with a who have at,tended •have attended very suPplus of 1,344,000. One miJ!ion, faithfully, just as faithfully as we have three hundred and forty four thou on this side o.f the House, have made sand dollars of a surplus. By what their con-trilbution. It has been t,inged type of reasoning docs ,my honou·raibJe wiVh -the t;hot1g,hts of an imminent friend a1sgue -that we went in the -hole. general election but they have ,worked In this way, he says, vhe Government hard anrl there have not lbeen enough took in so much revenue in the form of t1hem. God forbid, t•hat the Op of taxes levied, payments from Ottawa position &houl'd ever have •been more and t•he like and they have spent so than one member like the honouralble much on >the general purposes of member for St. John's ,Vest. They running the ,Province and ,they spent would a•U 1be in strait-jackets. He has $1,344,000 less than they took in so literally M'R. SIMAILLWOOD: H you can MR. BROWNE: Was that ~he call i1t a deficit. If you spend money policy the -Premier announced he was to 1bu,ild a road or if you spend money going to do three years ago? to lbui!d a hospi·tal or a school or to MR. SMA!IJLWOOD: Ce1ta,inly. J.t crea,te a big new .fishing plant, -is t'hat "·as our policy. a deficit. H you take the money and merely burn it that is a deficit, if you MR. BROWNE : Of !borrowing fur take it and rob it and the Govemment capila·l account? does not get it 1back, if you take -it and give it away. But 1f you ·take it and M'R. S;\,IAJLL'WOOD : Not to fin build a mile of road or a great 1bridge, ance capita·! account expem:li,tures out a fine school or equip that fine school of surplus earnings. I eX,pressed some with fine equipment, is that a deficit? doubt as to how long it ,w,iH be pos lf i,t is, it is a distorLion of langua1ge. ~ible Lo do that. 1 have not a 'bad mem Nova Scotia ,last year had a deficit, if ory, as good as what is around. Quebec tha•t is ,t.Jie word, df S9,858,000. So the had a su1;plus on current account of Premier of !Nova Scotia tells me Ille is over t·hirty-ei,ght million dollars. I very proud of the fact t'hey had a sur- did not telephone him. I telegrap'hed 1052 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS t,he .Minister of F,inan•ce, Mr. Gagnon. deficit on current account. They have They had a surplus on current account a most compHca-ted sys-tem of account o>f thirty-eight and a ha;Jif million but ing in British Columbia, w'hioh frank tlhey had capital account expenditues ly, to me, is incomprehensub-le. I do of sixty-four and a haLf millions. De not understand i-t. WiUh the sole ex duct ,from ,the sixty-four and a haU ception of Alberta every Province of million they spent on capital account, Canada last year had a defidt. The the surpJus they earned on ourrent ac yea•r before a defici-t and -~he year count left them in the ·hole as my before ~hat a deficit and every year honourable friend would say, twenty since the war every ,Province of Ca·nada six mill,ions. The •bwenty-six miIHon has had •a deficit except AlbeJ'lla, 'but they 1borrowed to improve Quebec -to when •I say that, I am only using the make i,t !better and 'bigger means they language of •t•he ·hononralble mem'ber of are in ,the hole that muoh. What kind t1he Opposition. They did not have of reasoning is it and distortion of deficits, they had snplnses. words? II know it ·is said in the shadow MR. HOLLETT : The prosperity of a supposed eleotion. I can go a,11 across Canada. of Canada is based on deficits. MR. HOL:LETT : Give us a good MR. SMALLWOOD: The ,prosper,i,ty one, try AllbePta. of Canada is based on the fuct they keep enlar,ging pub-lie services. Private MR. SIMA1LLWOOD : Give yon a enterprise expands shops and indus good one. Saskatchewan had a 4.2. miI tries and all 1branches of priva,te en tion sm1plus, 1bu-t on caipi·ta1l account •terprise and so too ·t-he Government of they spent 42 millions on new roads Canada, -Federa•l, ·Provincial and and so forth, and t•hey had nfoeteen Municipal expand a-nd enlarge their miillion w!hich I supipose was ·the result services and aH together they mean of a bond issue. They ~pent 23 millions Oanada is marching s-tead'Hy ahead. Is more than they ,took in, e,ccept by bor there anything truer than that? Is it rowing, bn,t they had a surplus on cur a sign of retrogression or danger rwhen rent acount of 4.2. millions and it is a the Government improves ,Lhe lots of deficit of nearly l 9 miHions in my its ,people. This Government has built friends words. Alberta has a snl'plus 1,500 miles of roads in six years. My under every-heading beca,use i'l has an honourable friend sa-id ,the odher day economic boom. They sell leases on more 'l-ha,n •that. This is pl1enornenal, oil lands every year. T,hey have a f.all'tastic. More than in Newfound- sn11plns of 15 miHions on cnrrent ac 0land hi.o;tory in any twenty-five years. count. And on capital account ex I dare say from 182.5 Lo 1-87·5 there penditure they sipent 89 millions. ,would •be aibout 1,500 miles lbuilt. We did ,t1hat in the last six years. Tiha-t is MR. HODLETT : Lf we had !!hat? not a sign of going in the hole but of MR. -SMALLWOOD : What ·I could magnificernt progress. T'.hat can',t •be do with that if I had 89 million do,1- gainsaid. The hononrnble gentleman lars a year lo do -il ,wi,th. Alber.la is said: "How much further can ,we unique -in the world. British Columbia go?" 11 took tha,t down, and he said : had an extraordinary resn-1't. On cur "The Government can't go on spend rent acoonnt -they had a deficit of ing 38 mi.Ilion a year, year a.fter year. 16.388 miHions not counting uhe capi How much .further can we go?" T·he tal account. They had a 16 m~,Jlion Government can'•t go on year •after year HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1053 s,pending 38 miUion doJ.lars a year. sequent to the date of Union. Now \Vith regard to ,tJha,t I ag-ree wit'h ~he clearly a Royal Commission which is second statement. I think it has to set up to recommend the form and be increased. I ,would say: "Can we scale of additional financial assistance go on spending only 38 million a year, which -this Government is to rnceive for year a,£ter year? from Ottawa for the punpose of en a:bling ,the Government here to main MR. HOLLETT : You are only tain the levels df Ihe puh!ic services taking the context of that? reached as at the time they are making the review. MR. SMA'l.JLWOOD : No, J did not i,n,tentiona,lly take that out of context. And if, as my honouraible colleague, One of my colleagues Jeft us and the Ait,torney General pointed out, if crossed Lhe .floor and sa,t over there, we had been .foolish enough to accept Mr. R,usseH. He was Minister of that foolish motion two years after Natum'l Resources and lhe took his Confederation ,to ask ,them for a Royal place on the election talble a few Commission, it meant we were satis months later and he rea1lized the fied, two years after Union, with the futility of runn,ing and he has not ,level and standard of pulblic services been here since. As soon as he crossed we had, and these were 'to be t'he the :floor he lbroug1ht in his justi,fica criteria and the yardstick way they would be. Lf they were, they foundland's !busiest !businessmen, a too would say, so, .let us not have the director of the Royal Bank of Canada, Royal Commission yet. Let us use II think, and wtirh a huge [business of every means in our power to raise the his own. We appointed this Royal levels and standards of our pu'blic Commission a'bout a year ago to pTe services. pare Newfoundland's case for presenta tion to this !big Royal Commission that MR. BROWNE : Why not use the is to come, because we must go into ten millions? -that very, very fuHy prepared. And MR. HOLLETT : They can do ,that ,t1hey have done a supePb job. I,t is only by incurring 'a deficit. not ,in the public interest that I should reveal the results. But -they have re MR. SMALLWOOD : That is in tained ,Mr. J. C. Thompson, senior the terms. We cannot use -the eleven partner of Peat, Marwkk & Mitchell miUions we lhave in the Bank of Company, the greates'l auditing fi.rm Canada. in Canada. He is our financia,l adviser. MR. HOL!LETT: Will you read We retained Carl Golderuberg and his associates to conduct tlhe firnt survey Term 24. ever conducted in Newfoundland, of MR. SMALIJWOOD : ~ don't need the earning po~ver o,f the Newfound ,to read it to know what it means. I land people, ~he ,purchasing power of helped draft -it in Otta,wa. We are not the dollar in Newf.oundland and the permitted ,to iwhhdraw any of ,~he burdensomeness of taxation 'in New money we have on deposit in Ottawa. foundlland. Remember that, remember I will go further. Not only did ·I help that because i-t is to ,recommend ,the to draf.t it. I proposed it, not even the fo1,m and scale of additional financial whole Newfoundland delega,tion ibut I assistance to enable -the Government to personaHy proposed that idea. We can continue the rpu,blic services at the withdraw the eleven millions we have level and ~tanda-rd reaohed subsequent on deposi,t, drawing L,wo and five-eights to the date of Union withou,t resorting per cent interest only ,for the purpose to taxation more •burdensome, having of meeting deficits on current account. regard to the capacity to pay, than And we do not have de'fiidts on current that olbtaining generally in ~he region account, we have surpluses on current comprising the Mariti,me Provinces of account. ,ve 'have su1,pluses. 'Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Now my honourahle friend on my P1,ince Edward Island. left is Chairman of ~he Royal Com One of the things ~he Royal Com mision we have appointed. ,ve ap mision wiU have to do is to compare pointed i-t a1bout a year ago, comprising the !burdensomeness oif taxation, not five Nmvfoundlanders ibesides my hon just taxes, hut the !burdensomeness of ouralble friend as Chairman. These taxation in Newfoundland with that five are : M-r. Gernld Doy,le, Mr. of the three Maritime Provinces, tak P,hilip Grouchy, GeneraI Manager of ing into account the Telative differen the great Miills at Grand Falls; !\fr. ces in capacity to pay, Now that was a Gerald Doyle is one of the best known highly skiHed job, tha-t had to be un of all Newfoundland !businessmen; Mr. dertaken. And we retained the firm Atbert Perlin, an extremely able of Carl Goldenberg and his associates, journaiist and ibusinossman on ,va-ter and we paid plenty. We paid as mudh Street; Senator Pratt, one of New- as S300 a day. It was well worth i:L HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1055 Tlhat work they clid and t'he work Mr. MR. SIMALV\a\100.0 : On current Thompson did and the iwork ,this account? You can't build new roads Royal Commission had done, if suc out of current account. It is not done. cessfu 1 when it is brought before the !H is done out of capi1tal account. You Royal Commission, may mean ,tens of borrow to do it, if you !have not an millions of dollars to -this Government accumulated surplus or not enough and to Newfoundland. So iwe may be actual surplus. You do it as far as the laugihed at for hiring t,he best brains annual surp!ll.ls -wiH allow and so far we can find ,for a particular pul'pose. as any accumulated surplus will allow. We may :be •laughed at too fur paying Bu·t 1f nei-ther wiU ailow you to do the highest ra'les. But ewe think it enough, then you borrow to do ,it. Now would be criminaHy traitorous and other Provinces just lbor,row to do k vi'cious to Newfoundland iif we -took They have not accumulated surpluses, anyt'hing less than t•he very besot and and do not enter surpluses from year most excel.Jen·t :brains to 'be lbrought in '10 year. 1I1f ~hey do they ·have very to hel,p us prepa•re our case. Because small ones. On average we 'had the what we are doing is com,p'1eting tlhe highest of the Provinces of Canada Terms of Union. Rememlber that the per capi1ta and per ratio, except the Terms of Union are ·incompJete. They Province of Alberta, always excepting were uot ifiuished. W-hen we negotiated Al!berta. them and signed ·t:hem in Ottawa, we knew we could not finish them, we MR. B'ROWNE : You said the highes-t - !Nova Scotia's surplus was knew there was a great gap ~hat we six and a hallf mmion. could not fill. ·we knew that. We said so. We said it in Term 29 - "•In MR. SMA'.Ll;WOOD : I said per view of the d•ifficuhy of predi'Cting capi miHion dollars. They wi11 sa,y : "why MR. SMALLWOOD : No, politically do you need money? W:hy don't you you are bankrupt. 1 was speaking of use that?" That was our dilemma. We t·he \\1hole pol,it-ical ,party. could sa~• we wanted it ,to pay defidts on current accounts and ,that involves MR. HOLLETT : I think we have as muoh !brains as he 'has over there, our ·having deficits in a rising and ex ~he whole crowd of you. panding economy which would be illogical and silly, and as to having MR. SMADL·WOOD : I ,t•hink rhe defici:ts in any case would tend -to de Leader of tihe Opposition 'has more stroy our name ,in world markets. We brains thm any one of us on this side did ,the natural tlh:ing, we !budgeted for of -the House, ,H lby that is meant not su11pluses. That was logical. Alll)'thing poHl:iical 'brains ibut literary !brains. else would lbe madness. We ,think we :Poetry and a ILHle Greek. can shaw t•he ,Royal Commission tlhat •that was the logicao! thing 10 do. M,R. •SPEAKER : I 'have .no memory The dilemma was a crnel dilemma in of the Honourable 'Premier making which no government should lfind -it any remarks as to ,the intellectual self, of fearing on ,the one hand t'hat a bankruptcy of dhe gen,t,Jenian on my Royal Commission wou,ld say, on the right. He was referring to parties but one h,md : "Your need cannot lbe not to individuals. grea•t •because you !have a very II mil MR. S.MA,LLWOOD : Whatever it Jiions on deposi,t ~vhi-ch you can lbu-t was ,in •tha,t great, memorahle 1batde, will not draw," and on the other hand, '1.oday they would agree that Confed destroy ,vhat accumulation Olf money ernrion is good for Newfoundland. I by withdrawing it and spending it and have called it a .blessing from God to that only iby having a dmici1: on cur ~he good people of !Newfoundland and rent account a:nd :thereiby dest,roying I would be •the la.st ·person to say a tlhe credi,t of a new !born :Province. We word against it. II ·think my friends decided what we would do. We ,thinic across ,t'he wa,y wou,ld agree that until tihe 1honouralble gen,t,leman oppos1te the Royal Commission sits and untH would make the same decision pre Union is finalized we should not sug cisely. gest to ,the Royal Commission that we are pro£Iigate or ex1:ravagant or im DouibUless, my ,honouralble and proV'ident when in fact we are fighting learned friend from 5t. John's West against time and we are sorry iot was will be speak!ing. He was not a very within eight years of ·the date of ardent ConfederaJte. i believe that Union. We wish we had anotl1er since we ·have become a !Province and couiple of yea·rs to -buHd our puiblic he had a seat ,in the House of Com se!'Vices and raise the levels and stan mons and S3/W somthing of Canada dards of t-hese serv,i,ces. Say nothing vhat while he might even now pay lip which can possi'bly or might lead the service to the idea that is still a li~tle Royal Commission to ,vhink we are faintly and apologetica.Jly expressed. was,ting money, •when •in fa,ct we are "I was not against Confederation, I was ra•ising our standard to equal some against the wa;y it was hrought about." thing approaching, say, Nova Scotia. I told them in ,the Dominion - Provincia•l M1R. BR0WINE: We are bankrupt conference that we nave a sort of am lbition ithat we might in ,twenty· five over our inteHectuality. years get our .public services up to HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1061 equal Nova Scotia. 'It ,is pretty pathetic estima•Les of •the ·country deserve more but i•L is true. I had a survey made a.ttention than t:hat. J. would go fur- df pu,blic services in Nova Scotia and 1ther a.nd say that it ,is regreHalble that Prince Edward Island and they have •we arc here ,in this House in an been compared with ours and it is atmosphere of undue haste. The Pre pret-ty pathetic, We will ta•ke many mier is wrong in his reference to ,the years to get ours as good as Nova speeches of •tihe Op.position, they are Scotia. Nova Scotia is not standing being delivered wi·th .the closing date still. &he .is moving ahead and raising April 2•2nd, in mint!, anti -we have -been the levels df her pulblic servi•ces. There at a ,tremendous d·isad'Vantage such as are so many things a man might say I have never seen or heard of in this but Lime is a ,little short •for sa,ying or any other democratic country. Never them. I wiU say this much, that in hea.rd of it. tit never happened in ,this this very sess·ion, shor-t as i,t is, we have country and the ~iiues !l was a member done something not done in the ot'her of the House of Assemlbl,y we Tardy sess-ions, we set aside an entire day to had night sessions. It .Jasted from tlebate ag1,icul•tu re, an entire tlay to three to six in :the alFternoon and there debate forestry, even in short sessions was ample ,time to get -together wkih and •they were very valuable pieces of your colleagues and dispose of it'he work done 1by this House. I was so business of the House. But this is im pleased, I hope we can repeat t•hat in possilble h1 this session, to give con the other -two or three sittings to come. sideration lo •the matters before the The •dhree siottings that ma·y yet 1be House. Not only for us but for mem held before the next genera-I election. bers of the other side of the House, This is House of Assemlbly to ,which MR . .BROWNE: 1 don't think any a one can give a fully prepared statement the people's representatives come, The people's representatives are very silent, on this important ma,t,ter. H my re marks are somewha-t disjointed they most of them. There ,was not one re ca,n 1be attributed •to ·that cause. The mark from one member outside of the Ca\binet, on one vote in Lhe estimates Premier agreed himself that time is so ~hol'l Lhat we could not have deba•tes of 50 mi,Jlions of dollars. How is :that? Have tlhe people's representatives like ~••e •hat! on .the agricultural report and on the forestry repoPt. But H nothing to say on the estimates or were ,they made acquainted with them be anyone is •respons~ble for the shortage of time it is the Premier himself. He forehand and agreed as to what told us that he was going to close -the expenditures were going to be s.pent? House tomorrow. That is wha MlR. SPENCER : Not on this aJone, the lbest we can under terribl>y difficult we had other work -too. circumstances. We .try •to be as careful, as objeoL-il-e in considerirng -the 1business MR. BROWNE: But wha,t ot•her •before t'he House as we know how. I work have members of the House who do not know how to do lbeLter than I are not memlbers of ~he Cabinet. If do in the performance of my duties. that was so, i.f they have other work, As far as the election is concerned I then it is con>tra:1-y to parliamentary am as indifferent to the date as any practice. I was not referring to Cabi one in this !House. I do not know net Ministers but •the rnemlbers outside ,•ihen •the Premier caI!s it. He is goi,ng the Calbinet. J.f they were consulted to call i>t •to suit himse1f and not >to the>y had nothing to say. Not a ,word. sui-t any-body on Lhis side of the House. Like the ,Premier, II perhaps have a I would ask him to be a l.ittle consid haibit of ~peaking ra-Uher fol'Ci>bJ.y as erate of the people of the country and well and -the subject is so serious. T ,he not to call it ,to •the detriment of the 1 point J am trying 1[0 make is so im general good of -t-he ,people of the portarnt uha t pePhaps if :I spoke noT country as he did in 1951 when lhe ma!,Jy ,tlhis might !have more effect. called it for a most ridiculous and This is the House of AssemliYly, not fantastic reason. The •Premier was for us here today but for the people ·crit,icizing the remarks of the Leader for all times •who live in Newfound of the Opposition who used the expres land. '\,Ve wit! ibe gone tomorrow, next sion ",!as,t year rwe ,went in -the hole" year or the year after and others will and 1the Premier ,pointed to the surplus come in and ,ta•ke our ·place and carry refer-red ·to in t•his •budget, to >the on the traditions which we ,]eave to amount of Sl.344,000. He says ~ve did •them. Can we say tomorrow we have not go in -lhe ·hole. T'he ,P,remier earned our three -thousand doUa,rs, rwe knows, he has a great knowledge, he have received for the eighteen or nine knows tJhat current account expendi teen days we •have been here. Can t'he tures are usuaHy placed agains-t current memlbers who have not opened their account revenue and i.f his expenditure mouths or have not ·been allowed to is 20s. and the revenue is 19s - 6d, -the open their mouths - resuit ,is happiness, but i,f the revenue MR. COURAGE: If the honoura!ble is I 9s - 6d, and the expenditure is 20s memlber •thin1ks the members have the result is misery. T:he ·Premier is nothing to do except what they do in astute enough to know that i>f you here, •he is mi&taken. undervote your estimates you can show a surplus -that may never come, t1hat MR. BROWNE : I ought ,to be as does not exist and iof you change the familiar with t!he duties of the mem Capital Accounit - bers of the House of Assembly as the gent,!eman -wlho has just spoken. Surely M1R. SMALLWOOD : You refer -to the country, the districts rwe -represent -the year coming and not to the year are entitled to hear ,what •their repre past. sentatives have to say on matters of public !business. •I rnpea.t, now that the MR. ,BROWNE : I refer to the year Premier is :back in •his sea>t, ·tha•t we do past and if you do not show on Cur not act in •this session wi,th the ~hought rent Expenditure Account you can still of an election in mind. We do not shorw a surp-lus aHJhou,gh you may not give political speeches under the ·have one. That .if you do not shorw sha·dow of a •genera,! election. We do on your Currenit Accounit Ex,pendi-ture HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1063 ~he expenditures you incurred on Cur price of his plant, and expect ,to get rent Account, you may show a sunplus tihe total for it in a sale, -tihen I think although you may have a deficit. the man is mad. Mad! He could not poss~bly expect that. Nobody would M1R. SMALLWOOD: That is so expect ,tihat. ibut we show, not all ex-penditures made but all expend,itures committed Now, Sir, take this Superior Rul:fuer to be made. T•hese are s!hown and Company, who bore •the loss of the aifter •tiha,t the surplus comes. ,bwenty thousand pairs of shoes or rub bers, which were dumped on ,the mar MR. BRO'WNE : The Premier can ket of Montreal, and ,which, as has correct me. '\,Ve have -t,wo Governn~ent been alleged, ,involved a loss of plants, the Birch and Gypsum plants. .$27·5,000. Who :bore that loss? Was The tb-irch plant ,was a Government that put into current account? plant and Iisted so by the Audi-tor General. ,It should be a liability·. MR. SMALLWOOD : That loss was What aJbout the losses on these plants? incurred by Superior Ru]jber. 'We lent Where have 1~hey /been cha•rged up, to rhem money with which oto meet i-t. •tihe Current Account? ,,v,hat a.'bout the It was incurred by tihem. four miHion dollars extra the Govern MR. BROWNE : There is no doubt ment put into the industries last year a:bout it, it was a loss incurred by the and which may never be returned. people of this country. Was •~hat put on ,Curren:t A·ccount? MR. SiHAIJLWOOD: Can the ihon MR. SMAILLWOOD : Now the hon ourable gentleman say they wil,J not, oura!ble gentleman is debating the and •why must they not be put into word "loss" in the technicaI sense. Capital Account? Then he suddenly ~witches over to a loose meaning of the word. MR. BROWNE : II ·will go on to show it. When you go ,into business, MR. BROWNE : Now let us look which tihe -country did, lby buHding lback at the ,birdh plant again. T•here these plants, you must show the losses was provision for opernting expenses of your business for the currenit year whioh included deprecia.tion of the and if you have a building or /business plant. Everyone knows that w!hen I 111hich cost 1.8 million dollars and 1in ibuy a plant, as soon as it ,is put in which two million dollars have been operation, depreciation comes into ef put since, I suggest that these charges, fect immediately, and the Department most of t1hem, should 'be put into of National Revenue, for the purpose Current Account. of estimating the income tax ito be paid by the corporation allows •twenty MR. SMAIJLWOOD: This increases per cent for the first year and, ·I 1be the capital value of the plant and that lieve, twenty per cent olf ,the Iba.Janee capital value so arrived a-t becomes the each year as you go along. That selling price of the plant. amount was never inoluded in the esti MIR. BROWNE : Well, Mr. 5peaker, ma-te of the operating expenses of the i,f a man will go into business and lose !birch plant nor any of the other plants. money year after year and make no Therefore tha-t 20% of the capital a1lowance for depreciation and con vaJue of Vhese plants, whi·dh would tinue borrowing money from the ·bank properly :be ·dharged up as expenses and pi.Je up his debts and add ito t,he and properly debited against the cur- 1064 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS rent account in L'his country that is livin:g in today. ,,\ill over Canada the moM unusual. demand has grown up in leaps and bounds, and all over the world, in M1R. S,M.AI.;LW00iD : Depreda1tion, England and other countries even in surely, for •the most part •is merely a Lhc east which surffere wi11h a spirit of dedica-tion lo do his produced any able men at all. We hest for the country and make himself have to look elsewhere for people to familiar with every maHer that comes guide our affairs. We had to ,bring hefore the House. And has that been in Mr. Planta from British Columbia done? Can anyone say that has been to take charge of fisheries and to pay done? And that we are fully conver him $15,000 a year, and he turned out sant with everyt1hing that we shou:Jd to be a worthless bankrupt. He even know in order to pe1sfonn our duty stuck the Premier for $8,000.00. This as members of this House of Assemlbly has been a fishing country since the in tihe best. possible manner, and leave discovery a,t the end of the fifteenth a legacy to those who come a,fter us, century and we ,have not a man who who will say, when they look at ,the knows how to run it. We had 10 go picture of the present Premier, "when 10 British Columbia and get a man he ,was Premier he certainly ran the who was engaged in some other sort House of Assemlbly well." That is of work and a man who owed thou something to be proud of. sands and thousands of dollars and MR. SMALLWOOD: He would who could not even pay for cartage even be prouder if they say ·he ran on his furniture. What kind of judg Newfoundland well. ment has the Pre111ier to contact men like that? And he next ohooses Dr. MR. BROWNE: Yes, but I would Valdmanis and yesterday he told us think it would •begin here in the the man was recommended to him by House, if it is run ,properly Newfound officials of the Department of Trade land wi·ll look after itself. and Commerce. I heard the Premier say I.he man was recommended by the Mr. Speaker, I wonder i'f I might Minister of Trade and Commerce and call it six o'clock. 1he Minister of Trade and Commerce MR. SPEAKER: It is forty - five told me himself, cursing on the Prem seconds to six o'clo·ck, I guess we may. ier in language I would not repeat, cursing on him for saying he recom H 'being now six o'clock I do leave men to be able to prepare her case for current account taxatiou, to collect Newfoundland. That is ~vhat I mean enough revenue ,to improve public when I say -this House of Assembly services." Let us produce a goose to should be a place for discussion. This lay a golden egg. Let us develop is a l'arliament and that is a place Newfoundland's economy. And the where the people's representatives geese were the industries. The fif come annually to discuss the affairs of teen ,industries which have already the country and they are not allowed absorbed over twenty-one millions of to do it. v\Te have ,to close by April Newfoundland's money and none of 22nd even if we stay a'll night, so the ;which has paid a nickel back, interest Premier may go w Ottawa -to a con or principal, except what was loaned fe.rence. The affairs of this C0U!ltry to them to .pay it back wiLh. are impo11tant, ·too, and the two things can get along ,together. After bhe con The Premier, last night, admitted ference, the Premier should come bark tha,t ,they loaner! the money, and out and finish the business of this House of these loans they paid the interest. and have it conducted in a proper High finance. ":I do not suggest we manner. should cease altogetiher to improve public services." What a strnng state The Premier, three years ago, in a ment. "It would be a short-sighted speech I was reading from this after policy at best. My point is ,that any noon, and he disliked foHowing. money we have to spare over and This is a classic. This should be en above current account needs should shrined in a gold frame, equal to the be to build up our economy." The frames ihe put around ·the Premiers of rest will follow more naturally and this country whom he admires. "New painstakingly. Later on •the Premier foundland's experience with borrow talked about surplus budgets. "In ing was a sad one especially in the case we have surplus budgets-" Prior last 100 years. There is not a mem to ,that he said-",Ve had a substan ber in the House who does not wince tial surplus last year and we expect at the thought of borrowing. I wish a laTger one this yea.r. We can't have to point out there are only two ways current account surpluses and have to finance a cou111try's improvements, ~vhat is a:t Ottawa for tha,t can be surplus and borrowing. We have spent used only if we have a current account far less out of surplus ,than our near deficit. The solution appears to be by neighboun have done by borrow Lhis. We have to finance economic ing. Before I pass from the House I development by the sale of bonds or migiht say tha·t I and this Government the sale of common bonds guaranteed take a poor view of borrowing for by us. It is the only solution I can improvement." Where is the Min see. ·we should have ,to make it do ister of Public Works and P,1blic as a short ·term .policy. We have -the Health and Public We:lfare? This most frightful aversion to !borrowing, borrowing should be done out of cur even for the improvement of current rernt revenue. "Our policy in this account. We know people of New House runs altogether counter to it, foundland cannot take borrowing in our viewpoint is that it is sounder for their stride as the people of the other us 'lo build up Newfoundland's econ ·Provinces. We shall continue our pol omy, so that eventually it will be icy of budgeting on current account. come practical for the Government, by ,ve shall improve our serv,ices but HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1069 shall not borrow to do so." Is any fur there were forty-two million dollars ther extract necessary to prove what to our credi-t altogether that now we l stated wday that three short years have to go out for the third time in ago the Premier thought every.thing in three years and look for sixteen mil the garden was exceedingly grand and lion doTiars. What do the fishermen there was no need to borrow except in ,vhite Bay and Green Bay think? for the new industries. He has had Do they tihink we have a careful Gov to borrow and he has to borrow now, ernment to go and look for sixteen six teen millions of dollars. It is million dollars? Do •they realize that strange. One of the things in the interest will have to be paid on i-L hudget speech was tha,t we ihave to and a sinking fund and if not spent horrow sixteen million dollars, three wisely and put -to useful purpose a lot years after the Premier told everyone of it may be lost and go down the in ·the country there was no need to drain as so much more of it went borrow at all. That is quite a change. down the drain? I said when I start Of course the sbatements were silly ed this aftennoon, that I had not time in the first place. The Premier was to prepare properly a speech to deal carried a-way by so much money in with this important matter. I am his hands and in his control. I can compelled to jump around a little and understand that. The Pemier never I hope I will be excused in that re had so much money under his con spect if there is no order in the re trol hefore and the thought of so marks I have to say. much money went ,to his head. He thought there was no need to have to I come now to t•he Budget Speech borrow again. It showed a short of the Minister of Finance. I under sighted outlook for the Premier. The stand the Minister of F,inance was not Premier referred to our party as one very well before he prepared it, and if which was intellectually bankrupt and that is so, maybe it explains why it is ,if we were to go to the counitry we so brief and flimsy. I have his Budget had no ideas. ,ve have very different Speech of the year before last and ex ideas tha·n the Premier. There was tracts from the speech he made last no doubt about what his policy was year and in those speeches he made when he went to the country in 1951 an effort to analyse the country's econ and set up these industries. He said, omy. It is a very good effort, I think "\Ve have built three plants, cement, it was a very good effort on his part birch and gypsum. We are not going to have ~hcse documents prepared in Lo build any more. ,ve are now go this fash-ion so we would get a good ing to finance other people to build idea about how things were going in plants and we -are going to lend them 1he country and -tha,t is what a budget money or guaranteed bonds." I have is supposed ,to do. Lt has to deal stated that was his idea, and from with a lot of things. First of all the his speech from which J have read state of affairs generally in the coun these plants were going to make so try. How is the country coming on? much money and profit that it would How is business and trade? Last year and the year before he gave an analysis not be necessary Lo borrow at all ex and I distinctly remember crossing cept to expand the plants. It is a ter swords with him when tihe unemploy rific thing for Newfoundland toda) ment insurance was four million high that so soon after Confederation when er than it was before. Judging by 1070 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS the fact there were twenty thousand broad enough ,to repel the onslaught people unemployed recently, the of a depression." But why is it not amount of five million for unemploy ,broad enough? Why? They had forty - ment insurance does not seem to me five miUions when they came in and to be below the mark. This is one borrowed bwenty - two millions since. of the things for which he took credit. W·hy is ·it not broad enough? Do you I thought •it was rather a strange thing know why? Jt is not 'broad enough !be that a Minister of Finance should, cause they pt1'L the money in the wrong among the sources of revenue for the th,ings, backed t'he •wrong horse, if I country, refer to this unemployment may say so, absolutely wrong, and that insurance. Five million dollars-; four is the difference between om party the year before and one and a haU and the party on the other side of the the year before. He says it is a sign House. Frequently I ·have referred to that more people were working the the party on the other side of rthe previous year. Wha-t is his prediction House as not 'being a Lirberail party but for the coming year? Will t,t be more a Socialist party. And a Government unemployment insurance. There has which puts so much of its money into to be more unemployment. Because as hus·iness and gets taken up so much in he pointed out himself, a great many business, which it ,is not competent to of these sources of income are not -administer, is bound to have a foll, sources of production at all, are not bound to do it. I don't see how the part of our national production, such honourable members on the other as, family allowances and ol Who is he going ·to tell? Would it Grube and Schaefers and Mr. Koch serve him any use to go ,to the Prem and Braun Wogan and all the other ier? Why he would get the bum's Germans •and Latvians that you en rush. ·would it serve him any use trusted with eighteen millions of dol to go to any member of the Govern lars.-You knew very little about ment? I don',t think so. them. According to the Premier all these industries except the birch plant, MR. SMALLWOOD : He would and I believe the textile plant and get the bum's vush not for coming to the Eckhardt Mills were erected by me but for going to you, not to you Dr. Valdmanis. Now ,that the Premier but ce11tain other Tories. ,has to admit that he made a tragic MR. BROWNE : I believe that error -in placing his confidence, com those people who came to us, or came plete confidence, one hundred per to the supporters of our party and cent, in Dr. Valdmanis, lauding him toltl us these things, had been to the to the skies and to the world, now honourable meffilber for Green Bay that he ,has to admit that he made before. The honourable member for an error in appointing that man as Green Bay was quite well acquainted Director General of Economic Devel w,ith everything thait went on in the opment, what can we think of these Koch •Shoe Pla:nt. What is to prevent individuals in charge of these various him getting up in his seat and telling plants who had been put in charge the people of Newfoundland whc.re of these plants on the recommenda the things were rigiht and things were tion of Dr. Valdmanis or who the wrong? Premier introduced as a result of his efforts? And so, Sir, if we have on Now these men have been referred our hands ten or six,teen industrial to as menials. \Vhait about Schaefers? plants, not one of which, as far as we Is -he a me11Jial, a servant? The man can see, is out of ·the red, how can ager of ·Gold Sail or the chief tech the Minister of Finance validly teH nician of Gold Sail, the man whose the people of this country that our father was lauded -to us last year, the economic foundation has been broad great man of the leather goods indus ened and will be broadened and try, of the greatest manufacturer of strengthened? How will ,it be broad leather goods in Germany. Was he a ened and strengthened? menial? When he came and ,toltl the story abou,t what was going on over Now, Sir, briefly, the error was t·here, and Mr. Koch drawing down made of going into indus-tries we $1,800 a month-So, Mr. Speaker, our should not have gone into, but agri economy wa•s not broadened by these culture and forestry. In the first things at all. Our economy was made place these were the !basic founda very delicate and dangerous by these tions for Newfoundland on which to build, but that thought apparently things. It was a terrible thing for the Government •to do, to go into these had not entered the Government's or at least the Premier's mind. th[ngs, because you had to have busi ness ability to run them, and you "The rising tide of prosper,ity is were not running them even, but de the most conspicuous fact in New pending on people you know nothing foundland today." Then the Minis-ter about •ait all. If Dr. Valdmanis de of Finance, in his poetic fancy pic ceived you, well did you go to Mr. tured us next year with the high 1072 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS water mark still going higher. Yes, he told us that ·t,here was a $586,000 and how high will the publ,ic debt shortage ·in the Department of Health. go? Another sixteen or twenty million? That seems to me to be a b,ig shortage The Minister of Finance just shrugs in the Depar,tment of Health. his shoulder. Surely ,if it was twelve las·t year and sixteen this year, the \[R. SIWALLWOOD: What does prospect of any lesser amount next the honouraib-le gentleman mean by yenr is not very great. shortage? MIR. BROWNE : S.hortage in the Now, Mr. Speaker, I say th,at those estimate o,f the revenue. things wh,ioh the Minister of Finance .1houhl have done for us in his bud MR. SM.ALLWOOD: Does he mean get, and I think he could have done r-ha.t money disappeared? wi,thout hurting himself at all, was to MR. BROWNE : No. I am quot have given us a statement of each de ing from the budget. "The amount iby partment of government, what was which the estimated revenue fell short the outcome for each department of was Sl,220,900. This is made up of government for the last fiscal year. three amounts, namely, $586,000 in the Diel we get it? No. We don't know Department of Health, S420,000 in the today in this House, nobody knows Department nE Mfoes and Resources, today in this House, unless the Min and $214,000 in the Depanmen,t of ister of Finance knows himself, and Public 'Welfare." The revenue for the he might have told the Premier, cer Department of Health was estimated at tainly as far as the public is con S31.128,600 and it was short by $586,- cerned it has no idea wha-t the out 000, so tha-t was a sho1,tage on that come was for each department of gov revenue account of near 20% or 18%, ernment. ·we have not been told The Department of Mines and Re that. Now I know you cannot give sources -was short by S420,000, The a precise figure, but I Jo nol set: for revenue for the Depantment of Mines the life o[ me why he cannot give ancl Resources was estimated last year an es ti ma tecl figu·re for the last week at S87'1,000. So that there is a short of the month of Maroh, after all it is age of the estima-te of revenue over the rhree weeks old now. As a matter of revenue by 50%, \Vhy were we not fact, in his budget speech on page 2 told why the revenue was short 50% he tells us that he had budgeted for in ,the Department of Mines and Re - .1.7 million surplus but the collections sources? It is a big item, .'50%. W1hy we re short of that by about one mil were we not •told? In the Department lion two hundred thousand and his of Pu1blic ,velfare the shortage was expenditures increased over a million S214,000 out of S1,518,000, or 20%, for clolliars more than he had estimated the est-imate was short -there. So that and so his surplus was down. But in in one department it was 18%, in a:11- order to get ,these figures he had to nther .50%, and in another 20%. We g-et these figures, he had to add up the were given -the reason for two of the revenues of his departments ancl the That would be about eight per cent, foundland with anyone else is not in but I suppose we had more ·than fif regard ,to ~he level of publ.ic services teen pe.r cent before. I don"t know •but to t•he •burdensomeness of taxa·tion what the percentage here is, ,but [ am in compa11ison with ':'-!cmfound'land and sure it must 1l)e a very small percentage. anyone else on the question of public services. MR. SMALLWOOD: The demand for paved roads is going on every year. MR. BROWNE: Well, the Premier It is a serious prdblem for every says, rhe burdensomeness of taxation. Province. It is a kind of awkward expression \fR. BIROWNE: Yes, and especially burdensomeness of taxation.-Now the ,Province here. ,,ve can't, I don't ,taxation depends on expendiiture. suppose, have much more than ,five or You I.ax to get money to spend, and if you waste money in any way you six per cent of our roads paved. T 1he percen•tage of paved roads in any of are doing an injustice to ~his country the Provinces is not very grea·t, but the a11d to the people in ,tohis country. I main roads, ,r imagine, in every Prov was given figures of the cost of the ince are paved, and the main roads in supervision of repairs being done to this Province will certainly have to be Lhe House of Assembly. I don't like paved. And if ~he p11ices as given -to having ,to mention th,is, but the cost us ·by the Minister of 1Pu1bl-ic Wor:ks of those repairs seems to me .to be out are correct ,then it costs somcbhing like of proponion to the fees paid for the a hundred and fifty thousand dollars superv1s10n. An elderly gentleman a mile to bui'ld a paved road. 'We can was engaged at a salary of five thou easily see that the Minister od' Finance sand dollars a year to supervise the wi 11 be looking for -loans for several repairs, and to date $37,000 worth of years to come, if he is in of6ice until stone has been delivered, and $2,300 we get wbout seventy - five million dol worth of masonry work has been done lars to pay for paved roads across the and scaffolding to -the value of $3,000 country to ,Port aux Basques. Certainly has been supplied and S7,700 worth of the big problem stands right there, labour has been performed. In other right in ~he forefront, for any govern words the total labour involved is not ment. over $12,000 and -the expenditure is $68,300 out of which the sum of $8,300 Mr. Speaker, I don't intend to take h-as been paid for supervision. up much of the time of the House. but 1I do feel that there was one state - MR. SMALLWOOD: The honour men,t which ,was made by llhe Premier able gentleman surely would not wish ,today that ought to 1bc ·perused. He lo be unfair in t.he matter? said we have -to build up our services as fast as we can. He said we have MR. BROWNE : No. to 1build up our services because we MR. S'MALLWOOD: He must wiU 1be judged by the Royal Commis - know tha-t just as every,thing was set sion on the standard we have reached up the equipment was bought, the •w,hen they begin t•heir work. How do scaffolding bought, and everyt•hing we compare wi,th Ncwa Scot-ia? ready, a strike occurred and was not MIR. SiMiAI.;I.;WOOD : No, not how settled unti,l too late to resume work. we compare with Nova Scotia nor any And the overhead is now taken care one else. The comparison in New- of, and ~h-a-t is why the supervision 1076 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS rate appears to be so high. We got do what he liked w,ith iot, but if it is to be fair about it. •the people's money he must spend it properly. MR. BROWNE : Mr. Speaker, pay ing a man five thousand a year to MR. SMALLWOOD: None of us superv.ise repairs which normally can be dedicated like that. would have to go on rather slowly MR. BROWNE : Lt is easy to spend seems to me to be rather an extrava other people's money. Mr. Speaker, gance not jus.tified. In the depart ment you have officials ,that should as I said, the only thing which I can remember personally out of this repor·t be qualified - that we have not heard before, and MR. &MALL WOOD: No one so that everybody clid not know, was qualified as Mr. Spratt •to supervise the amount of the surplus of last year, stone work, no one ,in the whole pub the amounts expected, ,the two cents lic service. He is probably the most tax on gasoline and the sixteen mil qualified man in all eastern Canada, lion dollar loan. I think we have and cer~ainly in all Newfoundland. reason to remember that and I regret very much that the Government MR. BROWNE: Well, Mr. Speaker, should find it necessary at this stage when ,it comes to superlatives I won't of ,their career to go look for such compete with the Premier. But I a large loan. I,t means that the Gov think any gen,Llernan al his age is 11ot ernment has spent out of its thirty in a position to be very active in re four million dollar surplus, ten mil gard to supervision. lion borrowed 1952, twelve million MR, SMALLWOOD: He does not bonowed ,last year and sixteen to be have to lay the stone down, you know. borrowed here will make it seventy He does not have to be very active. two million dollars. I,t means that the Government out of the surplus of MR. BROWNE: 1 don't think it forty-five million dollars have spent is justified ei,ther by whrut has hap LhiNy-four million, ten million bor pened or could have happened. If rowed in 1952, makes it forty-four it were the Premier's own money he million, twelve million borrowed last could do what he liked with it, but year makes it fifty-six million and six it is ,the people's money and he has teen million to be borrowed ,this year got to spend it ,properly. makes it seventy-two million in the MR. SMA:LLWOOD : T,hat is the six years the Government has bee-n in dedicated man. of£ice. MR. BROWNE : The people's MR. SMALLWOOD: The Govern money is very easy to spend. ment will spend fifty million this year. Our expenditure is fifty million Well, Mr. Speaker, as I said, the a year. only thing that 1I could glean out of this report that we had not heard be MR. BROWNE: The expenditure fore, •a·nd everything about it we did of •the Province of Nova Scotia was not know, was the amount of the sur only about fifty million dollars last plus. I think i,t is a wrong expendi• year altogether and if the expenditure ture. 1 don't think it was justified. ,has got •to be as high as that the If it was the Premier's money he could Government is getting out of its HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1077 depth. It is spending too much the estimates and perhaps some of money. I gather •the impression it is ~he members might say it is contrary doing it deliberately. to Parliamentary procedure. I do not think tohat is so. Tt may be tha,t MR. MERCER : The services prn members dicl not speak because they vided are to go to the people. were all famili-ar with many of the MR. BROWNE : They are spend items. You take the salaries. Qu~te a ing money which they are borrowing number of membe1·s on ,this side of on the credit of this country, and as the House, frequently, because I know the Premier said in ~hat beautiful I do at least once a week every week, speech of his in 1952 the road to I visit at least two or three Govern krnkruptcy is by borrowing and at ment departments, because I have the rate whioh the Government is go duties to perform as a member of the mg it would not be too long. It is House of Assembly. I,t must be a a profound shock to ,think the Gov great thing to represent a district in ernment ·has to borrow 011 such an St. John's because I get letters and an extensive scale. I hope before it telegrams. When I went home today is too late -that the Government will I had four teleg.rams waiting for me. give considera-tion -to that part of MR. HOLLETT: I get some from their policy which has been the chief your district. cause of their borowing so much. The Premier did say that the whole mat MR. COURAGE : Of course the ter was under review. I hope i,t is honouralble members get some from and if they need an expert for any my dig.trict. There are one hundred thing, we -think they need an expert ancl g.ix,ty-two Tories out there. I sup to advise what to do with ~hese in pose he has one hundred and sixty dustries. two letters. I got that many this year. I challenge the honourable member MR. COURAGE: I might say_ that to come and run against me. Lt would have not been drawn into ~his de be a fair fight. It has been suggested bate because I did not have an op ,that members do not have much to portunity of speaking before. I might do. \Ve are very much occupied, be have said, I might have made some cause I have con&tituents and I believe li-ttle conversation. I agree with one most of them write me or wire me statement that has come from the because I am the first person they other side of the House, we should think of and ,they think I am a friend, have a House here of which we which I hope I am, and I hope I ought to be proud. I think myself can help them with their problems. that sense of I hope the Opposition don't think tha:t I have the honour to repre.1ent that because members do not speak on this district that they will come. side of the House it is because they In For,tune Bay, i,t has been s-aid in have not got anythi•ng to say, I only this House, that we have very fine in tent! to speak for ten minutes and fishing, I have said dt and .it is agreed I may speak for fif.teen but I could by members on both sides of the speak for ni'llety minutes and I will House - It is too tbad they have drag - not read anything from the news · gers out of Nova Scotia and out of papers. A person who has a car that St. John's and 'they are my friends can go at 250 horse · power does not go ancl I know them by name - I hope out to try it. So the Government does we can, by some means or other-and not use up all i,ts powers. The Op I feel the Government will do all position does not realize what power possible ,to bring this about-see fish is contained on this side of the House. plants at Harbour Breton and Belle Because we vei-y seldom speak does oram. They are two of the nicest nnt me~n we can't talk. looa lions for fis,h plants that there MR. SMALLWOOD: Why is it are anywhere in Newfoundland at the that two fifths of the members of the present time. If ,there is to be a free Opposition have not opened their port in Newfoundland I hope t'ha,t mouths during this session:, those who are going to bring it about will consider Bay D'Espoir. H is ice MR. COURAGE : I want to teH free in spite of wha,t people say. It the Opposition now that it is too bad has a f.i ne natural ha,rbour. It is fog t·hat by the time they get over on this free and it hias tremendous water side of the House they will be too old power a'lld a unique position. It to travel. They won't be going any would be of •benefit ,to ,the fishermen where. 1 was glad tha:t the honour of Newfoundland and the north east ble member talked about roads and I rna,r, I hnpe -that some considern was glad that the vote for roads has tion may be given to ,this matter by been increased in the budget. I only those who are going to deal with it wish it had been increased muoh more when •the time comes around. than it was because in the distriot which I represent we need roads fOO' The honourable member for St. development of services. I have pre John's ·west does not seem to under sented a great number of petitions stand why unemployment insurance in ,this House for roads and I expect could mean a measure of ,prosperity. that I shall ·have to present a great IE he got, or helped to get, as many deal more for roads for Fortune Bay. jobs as I have. ln 01,der to get un There is a road needed to link up employment insurance a man must Little Bay E,ast, and from Pool's Cove ·have worked for approximately two to Belleoram, and another one needed hundred da~. If he does not work from Harbour Breton to Day D'Espoir, those two hundred days he could not an Lhis, because somebody does not make {ifLeen thousand dollars in the Do a quarter of a million dollars in a year minion o.f Canada to produce one job. we get excited about .i,t, '1 don't think It 1has not cost the people of New it is important whether we ,pay the foundland that to produce one job in interest or not so long as we have the Newfoundland. It [S not only money, fixed assets. the salaries and ·wages earned by the people, but new money. ,,vhen the MR. BROW.NE: Does the honour industry sells shoes or [boards or other able gentleman work in one of these articles it brings back new money to industries? the Province of Newfoundland, tlhe MR. JANES: I could. same kind of mone,y we have lived on for centuries. The money that we get MIR. SMALLWOOD: Does the for .fiish, this is coming in here and is House know where the honourable going to the grocers, tihe people o·n gentleman of the Opposition gets his ,-vater Street and in the shops are get salary? ting it, the carpen tcrs are gett[ng it and the plumbers are getting it, all of MR. JANF:S: ,It would be a won them are getting it, this new money, derful thing for ~he people of New and the lawyers are getting it, includ foundland ir[ the Government of ing the soJ.icitors and the C.N.R. '\/ew.foundland could get lback one hundred per cent of the investment This is new money being brought which it put into it. Supposing they here - there is no way for us here - never gel a cent back, supposing the I am not qualified w do ,i,t mysellf, nor wors-t comes, suppossing aII the prolb is any member of this :House qualified, lems which are peculiar to Newfound as a matter of fact, lo produce or to land and •which make indusl•ry dif - evaluate the real vaiue, I don't mean [icult, should ,bring about the situa - tihe money value o.f these industries to tion uhat none of Lhe loan capital can the Avalon Peninsula. IH is not merely be repaid, we still have a considerable tlhe amount of money paid out in numJber of people employed in these wages, rbut the circulation this money industries workiing for the first •time in has, the velooity of circulation, rhe re their lives, some of them forty - five, sult of these ,things going around fiif-ty and fifty - .five years o E age. The amongst the shopkeepers, bus drivers, first time in their lives tlhey could go taxi drivers, all o[ us gel a share, and to an office on Saturday and draiW we are all much better off because of their pay. '\IVe have several thousand, it. If you removed these industries we have a few thousa-nd, and if we from Avalon today, Sir, and carried it look at the whole cost of all these in back to 1949 - tha,t is where we would dustrial development programmes and ,be if ohey were not there - Take the let them take the numrber of jobs fish pJ.ants out of Ohange Islands and created for the people of Newfound Fogo, -go down and roll up that forty land and compa,re the cost per job with miles of road on tlhe straight shore, the cost of building [ndustry either in and put us rback to 1949, and let us see Canada or the United States, and in how we like it. The trnth of •the the Province of Newfoundland, we matter, Mr. Speaker, .is probably there have not ,figured too badly. H was has been so much progress made over only a few weeks ago I recall reading the past five years and the pace has i,n the Canadian Manufacturers As been so fast over the past £ive years, sociation Magazine tihat it was taking the pace of development both ,in the 1082 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS fisheries - you may hear there has MR. BROWNE : Tha,t is what the heen no great development ·raking Premier said. place in the fisheries - t,here has been MR. HIGGINS : Mr. Speaker, I did great development in the fisheries and greater to follow. And in uhe social not intend to take any part in tlhis dcJba,te a,t all, and indeed, what I have services there has been great develop• ment, lbu,t the pa·ce has prOibably swept to say is going to be very lbrief. But the remarks of ~he honourable member us a little off our feet, and ~vc arc too ready, pro!ba:bly, to criticise and to for .Fogo really do call for some small reply, !because he has attni!buted ,to the want more ra,ther tha n -to take time Opposition a ,poLicy ,vlhich I submit he out to evaluate what has been done has no reason to believe ris so. He says and to properly assess the value of wha,t has been done. that the Opposition would say to the people : "Eleot us 1bu,t there wiJ.1 be I have notihring, Sir, aga,inst I/he no more roads, no more !hospitals, ,no G{)vcrnment borrowing fourteen or more schools." ·I fuil to see, Mr. twenty or a hundred millions provided Speaker, the justi.fica-tion for ,that state dhat it is not beyond our capacity to ment. Tihere has /been nothing said boTrow to that point, as I don't know. from this side of ·Dhe House to jusbify I rlon',t know. l'robaibly the people nor to warrant any honouraihle gentle who tbuy ,the bonds rwill tell us ~vhen man •in dra•wing tha,t conclusion. we rea·ch the point - but QI[ a cer tainty, ·if ~l'e ·have to live here in The thing I gathered most from the Newfoundland we have ,to desire to remarks of uhe last speaker was that live here as we have lived .for ,the past his only quarrel wdth the Government two hundred years, and if any member is not that they are 1borrowing sixteen of the oppos,i-te side thinks he is going millions, but -tha t they are not borro~v to tell uhe people of Newfoundland, ing more. "'Why not a hundred mil all you have to do boys is tn ~ler.t us lion," he asks. "!H we are going to into office and this bormwing is going have to borrow a !hundred million why to cease. TeH them at the same time not do it in one slap." And, Mr. you are going to 1builcl no roads, stop Speaker, he says - the same honou-r the !building of ·hospi,tals, and stop the aible gentlema•n, and 1 agree wirh him building of fish plants. Tell them at - that most of us in this House are the same time to stop try,ing to develop perhaps not competent to evaluate this country and producing jobs and what are the factors involved •in this hospital beds for ill •people. Tell them t,ype of operation. I entirely agree at the same •time. Tell them that. Hut wi,th him. B-uit ,1 do say ,this, Mr. don't fool ourselves, don't try to fool Speakel', that it certainly does not even this House, don't try -to fool t'he people smat!k Olf common sense to ta.J'k of of this country. Either we are going raising loans ad infinitum. He says : to •have a Province fit to live in or we "What is our capacity?" "We don't don't live here. And ilf the honourable know, lbut let us keep on !borrowing members on -tlhe opposite 1,ide think and sooner or Iater -the bond buyers they are going to get away with that will tell us." That is exactly what happened 1before, Mr. Speaker. T'ha-t and ge-t enough people here in New is what happened rback ,in 1931. The foundland to develop the indust11ies people who were buying our bonds and resources this country wants, they told us, and told us in no uncertain are albsolutely crazy. fashion, and the results were, we were HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1083 handed over to tlhe :baliff. Does the count on tha,t type of operation as a honouralble gentleman suggest that this fixed asset, i'[ it means t-ha,t if Govern Government or any government be ment assistance -is gong to stop, the gi-ven carte blanche to go ahead and industry is likewise going to stop. repeat tha,t? 'Frankly, 'I know perfeotly He said ,that it is not important if well he does not. I know he said it, any of these industries ever pay any but I know the honourable gentleman intere~t on their loans. Now that sufficiently well to know he said it purely because 1he wa,nted ·to say some again is a statement, -Mr. Speaker, that 1 am sure ~vould not stand up to think, and like many of us, at times he says more tha,t his prayers. But scrutiny because ·it is all very well for t•he Government to pay ,Mr. Banker to the sta,tement is so fallacious, Mr. the ex,tent of putting up ,the capital Speaker, that it could not have been wlhether it be on a dolla·r for dollar made seriously. basis or a dollar for know - how ,basis MR. COUR-AGE : 1Is tihat ·how you or Whatever formula one cares to feel? adopt. One may or may not agree with the wisdom of that policy. But MR. HIGGI1NS : I am full of char to suggest that havjng put up tihis ity, as a matter of fact 11 am one of the money that •the Government should best humoured men in this country, continue to play 'banker and not even although some of you don',t know it. ask for interest is, ,I suggest, ra,ther MR. SMA!JLWOOD : Dedicated? radical economics. Is it to lbe suggested that the Government ,is to borrow MR. HIGGiliNS: However, Mr. money and pay interest on that money Speaiker, the honouralble gentleman and give that money out to the indus says ,that the Opposition complains •trial plants and continue to pay inter tihat tihe Government has invested est and not ex-pect these people ,to pay ~wenty odd million dollars in indus - interest? I don't think, Mr. Speaker, tries. "What about it?" says he. "Have that tihat really could be so. we not fixed assets to show for it? Now, Now 11 do agree with the honourable Mr. ,Speaker, what are ,the good ()If member for Fogo when he says t1hat fixed assets belonging to companies there is a difference in view - point tha•t are going to continue - up to the het,ween ,the Government side of the moment tJhe record only indicates that House and this haJppy remnant over the Government has had to continue here. pumping ,the life - blood into eaoh and every one of ,these industries to keep MR. COURAGE: The St. John's them aHve - turn off the - side? MR. SM,ALLWOOD : That is not MR. HI-GG,UNS : And a great side so - not each and every one - not a that is, ~he rea-1 snde. That is the side quarter. where ~he country sta•rted. MR. HiIGGiIN!S: l say the great MR. SMALLWOOD : :No, the majority. I am not prepared to accept country s·tarted in Bonavista, a,t Cape that correction. ,-ve have got the in - Bonav-i8ta. formation here that practically all of these industries have had to come back MR. HOIJLETT : Our brother •to the Government for as~istance. And Canadians won't even let us have that I do say ~his, th;ut you can hardly credit. Tihey say it is Cape Breton. 1084 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS MR. SMALLWOOD: No. The hon can see we can finance and tha,t we ourable gentleman cannot take Bon of the Govcmment wiH agree that the avista •Bay 1,ights from Bonavista Bay. enthusiasm ,that ma,r1ked dts venture MIR. HIGGINS: I say, those who into the industrial support :foeld, i,f you came here to claim the country landed want to call it that, might well have in St. John's. 'been ,tempered with a little more cau tion, and h is only now that •the pic MR. SIMA!LLWOOD : St. John's was •ture is beginning to take shape. As not even settled when we had Cape my honouralble friend, the member for Bonavista, King's Cove, Keels. Fo.go, remarked, the pace of develop 1 MR. IHIOG!INS: However - I should ment 'has been so fast in t1he past filve years that perha,ps we ,ha·ve been swept not lbe a11guing wit1h the Honourable dhe Premier - However, to get back, off our feet. I entirely agree with him. Mr. Speaker, I was speak,ing atbout help And ,that is the philosophy, if one to industries. We have paymen,ts from can can it that, we are trying to ex the 2·8th of February 1954 to Vhe 29,tlh amine. vVe have run so fas-t, we are of March 1955, to A·tlantic Hardboards jumping, swimming, doing everything, of $549,600. Now tha,t is within a but it is time ~v e stop and catch our period of thirteen months, Mr. Spea1k breath a while. I am not questJoning er, and I challenge an'}'ibody on the the wisdom o'f the Government raising G-Overnmen,t sirlP to prove •to me that this loan, but I do say ,this, Sir, for the in that period that Atlantic Hard tove of common sense, let us not have boards Limited paid out in wages to i-t ·pelted into a,notiher factory, maylbe its employees or any purchases, tihat a lollipop factory or wihatever kind of ammint of money. I suggest, Mr. factory it is, without the Government Speaker, that $.5"49,600 to that partk having somebody g-o into the thing for ular industry, which mind you we 'have ,them. Let us no longer have the re been assured is perhaps one of the putation of honestly tak,ing the reports brightest from the standpoint oif pros of some fellow from the other side of pects of any of them, is a lot of money the water that this firm is good and in a period of thirteen months. The that firm is good and that fellO'W's same ,thing, in varying deg.rees, is re father ·has been in the tannery business peated down the picture. You have for generations and some;body else's Koch Shoes in the same period receiv fat;her is a wonderful shoe manufac ing $42'8,000. !I don't tihiink Ko·ch Shoes ·turer. Let us have the investigations pa:id out that much in wages nor in made before we go in this time. Let local purchases. Superior Rulbber got us satisfy ourselves. Surely people are $362,000 in the same period from ava,ilatble, andustrial engineers, that can February last year to March of this investigate these schemes 1before any of year. Now we have been told - and our money is put into them. '1 have J: am not going to hash over the same every faith in, at least the good inten - old ground - we have 1been told that tions of the G-Overnment. I cannot say >the Government ~tself has reason to I am an ardent admirer Qlf t·he way ta;ke a second look and a hard look at they go at ,some ·things. II will not deny some Olf these new plants. •I am not them enthusiasm and good intentions, accusing the Government of dis'hone~ty, but for sanity sa·ke, ·Sir, let us now stQp I am not even accusing them of incom and catdh our breath and MR. SPEAKER : Motiion ,is th.at I Department of Finance 454 - 01 car• do now leave the Ohair. ried. 454 • 02 : Mr. Courage Oha:irman Olf Com• MR. SMAl.JLWOOD : Every now mittee. and -t·hen a Bii-11 is presented, incurred by the Commission of Government. If MR. SMA!Ll.)WOOD : Mr. Chair we find it is a just debt we have to man, I move the Commit-tee rise, report pay it, so we have to have an amount progress and ask leave to sit again. and authority to do it. The same On motion the Committee rose, re applies to Customs. '"' e still have to ported progress and asked leave to sit refund amount of customs paid in the again. days of Commission of Government. Report received, on motion Com MR. HOLi.JETT : How much was mittee ordered to s,i'! again presently. paid last rear under that? MR. SMALLWOOD : Mr. Speaker, MR. SMALLWOOD: I have no I move ,the House do not adjourn at figures. There may not have been a•ny. 11 :00 o'clock tonight. don't remember there rbeing any. Mo~ion car11ied. MR. BROWNE : The year before it was ten thousand dollars. MR. SM,kLLWOOD : Mr. Speaker, move .that the House go into Com MR. SMAI.lLWOO.D: Yes, I don't mittee of the Whole on Supply. My remcmiber there being any in the year reason for that is ,that I notice that we just -passed. did not last night pass financial sur MR. HOl.JLETT: Why fix it a't plus account revenue and expenditure. S15 ,200 i:f you have no idea? To lbe quite fran:k ~l'ith tihc House, I am a little unsure as to whether we MR. SMAILLWOOD : On the advice did. of the Comptroller of the Treasury. He has the figures for ea-ch year - on Committee of tlhe Wlhole on Supply. !'he basis of experience. MR. OHAI,RM,AN: Page 85 Finan MR. BROWNE : How much longer cial Surplus Account: Consolidated do you expect that account to be kept Fund Serv>icc. going? I mean it is s•ix years and over 154-01, 154-02: now. MR. SM,ALLWOOD: For a period MR. CURTIS: 154- 02 - That is of two or three years. Tf no cha~ges Redemption of Savings Ce1°~kates. We come in we will just drop the vote. must have s,o much money rwith which On mot•ion 454 canied. to -redeem them, as ,people bring them in. \Ve never know quite how many MR. SMALLWOOD: Mr. Chah are brought in for redemption, but we man, I move the Committee rise, re m-u~t lbe prepared ,to redeem them port progress and ask leave to sit again. when they come. Motion carried. MR. BROWNE : That is about Mr. Speaker returned to the Chair. wha't it costs every year? MR. COURJAGE : Mr. Speaker, the On motion cari,ied. Committee olf Sup,ply has considered 1086 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Vhe matter to it referred and has Then ,the Government entered into passed items 454 and 154 and asks agreements with massive corporations, leave to sit again. where unprecedented vast areas of public domain are involved. Frislheries On motion report received and development, large scale mmmg ex adopted. Committee ordered to sit ploration, more recently, agricultural again presently. and forestry surveys have all s,wept in DR. 1POTTLE : Mr. Speaker, 11 have upon the scene in 1bewildering succes a mirnisterial statemernt to make. sion; all of tlhem vi•tal in their place, 1but as an agglomeration fraught, in my MR. SPEAKER : Does ~he House view, wi.th problems of overall plan give leave? ning and supervis.ion, and which the On motion .Jeave granted: Government, so far, has not seriously attempted to co - ordinate. DR. 1POTTLE : 'In the course of this ·l shall give notice of my resigna Many of the new industries in par tion from the Government, and 11 shall ticular call for &pecial attention, which give my reasons therefor. only the Government ·can give. I know, ,Mr. Speaker, that some of them At the outset I ·wtish to ma1ke it represent a very awk;ward sta'lc of af abundantly clear 1that ,1 do this without fairs. llt is still not too late to save malice in any degree. I cannot go much of ,what is left, lbut ,vhere should further, Mr. Speaker, ,with the present be a frank invest,igation by tlhe Gov Government, mafoly !because 1 disagree ernment ·itsel!f. I see nothing 'funda with its pol:icy of economic develop mentally embarrassing albout that kind mernt. My principal points df criticism of stand, Mr. Speaker. There need a•re these: not be any formal •commission of en quiry. W me say I regret very much that my very, very much interested, being former colleague and my friend has brou,ght up in 'business life, in the vacated th·is House. As -the House economic developmen,t of Newfound knows we have b een closely associated land and I do hope lhe ,Premier will for a nrumber of years even prior to bring more visi,tors here and the people 1949 and tlhree years from 1949 it was will wait just a !few more years longer. my pleasure and privilege to work with There is no business that I know of him as a civil servant as Deputy Minis - can start from soratch and in a year ter of 1Pu'blic Welfare in insituting the or two years make sufficient money to social -welfare of Newfoundland. I re - pay interest or any money. 'I think gret very much that he has found it the Premier •will ·back me up ,wlhen l necessary to take t'he step he ·has. T •hat say ·that we don't look to anything is a matter for his own conscience. I from ,those indus,tries for five or six want on my part to state my unqual years. 'l wish to assure -the Premier ified and unequivocal support of the ti!iat •I am .behind •him one hundred Premier anrl ,his policy and any time pP.r cent an no doubt, t•he Minister of Pulb-lic Wel Heads of ·Ex•penditure - Carr.ied. fare resigned, impelled by the most On motion the Committee rose ,to honest o:f motives. .Personally [ have report having passed these resolutions, every confidence in the Premier and and asked leave to si.t again. also his ,pol,icy of economic develop ment. I think i,t is necessary and Mr. Speaker returned to the Chair. essential •to this Provin-ce. MR. COURAGE : Mr. Speaker, •Vhe MR. SMA:LLWOOD: I have re CommJt-tee of the \Vlhole on Ways and ceived letters from the pPivate mem Means have agreed to certain resolu - Q:iers who iwere present assuring me of tions and have instructed me to report their continued loyalty and support same. The Committee a5ks lea·ve to for me and my policy of economic sit again. deve'lo:pment. The Calbinet Ministers who are ,present have themselves taken On motion repont received. their stand here in t.'he House. So ReSO'lU tfons read a first and second regretting the loss of a colleague of ~ix time, years standing, we will go on and we wiH develop Newfoundland. MR, S,PEA:KER : The Honourable Minister of Finance asks leave to in MR. SPEAKER : The next Orrder troduce a Bill •based on said resolu of ,the Day. tions. MIR. &M:ALILWOOD : Mr. Speaker, On motion Bill read a first time, the Committee of Ways and Means. moved that this Bill lbc now read a MR. 5PEAKE.R : Item 34. Leave second time. was gi-ven earlier for tlhis Committee MR. HOLLETT: Mr. Speaker, my to sit again and 1 noiw leave tlhe Chair. remarks ~vii! 'be -brief. We are voting Mr. Courage, Chairman of Com $55,808,900 to Her Majesty. We ha~•e mit,tees in the Chair. just seen -take 1P'lace in this House a mosl dramati'C event, and the reason MR. SMALLWOOD: T•he Com for the resignation of the HonouralbJe mit-tee on Supiply passed to the Com Minister, according to his statement, mittee on Ways and Means certain was based on ,this Rill, in a sense, and resolu,ti'ons on the Supply 1Bi1l. particularly on No. XV, F.<:onomi-c De velopment, $1,359,700, MR. BROW.NE : That would not be on ·Ways and 'Means would i't? Na,turally we are not against t1he principle of granting supiply, ibut we MR. CURT'IS: Yes, it would. have ex,pressed our disagreement with MR. OHA,IRiMAN : Commit•tee of certain items in certain votes there. the whole House. The resignation 0£ -tihe Honouraible Minister on 1the opposite side assures MIR. BROWiNE : Is this a Com me and assui-es us on this side o'f tlhe mi-ttee on Ways and· Means now? Not House that .there was plenty of justifi on Supply? cation in an)'lt1hing which we may have said during 'flhis session of the House MR. CURT,IS: ,Page 34 of ~he against certain of ,the votes which go Rules covers •it. to make up supply. The indefiniteness Items I to 16 inclusive carried. of the various items in ithe schedule HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1093 make me wonder just l1ow far a,re we t'he amounts are properly administered, going and whither tending. E•conomic I mean in Economic ,Development, an House voted - This happening tonight M.R. BROWNE : I think we should makes me more st1re than ever, Mr. check and see what it is. Speaker, t'hat all is not well. Even if MR. ·S.MA!LLWOOD : We rnig•ht de this occurence had never happened, fer the second reading and pass on to the ·~hings which have come to light other orders and have !'hese figures during this session ~vould !have con checked. vinced any reasonable person, who was not so oloscly at-tached to 'his leader as MR. SPEAKER : ,J,t would require to ,be 1blind, I am quite sure, Sir that tlhe consent of the House. The rule unless greater care and greater ~vatch says tlhat the Appropria·tion Biill re fulness •is taken over the money taken ceived the ,three readings then and from the .pockets df the people of .this there. H the House ~vishes to defor country, not only will we 'be made a the order, the order is deferred. laugfuing - stock or continue ,to be a lau1ghing - stock, and we shall not only On motion order deferred. wsa•Jk 'hut run and race along ,t'he road Honourable ,Minister of Finance to bankruptcy. \Ve just cannot keep on moves the House into Committee of doing these t 1hings. In order to put !'he -wlhok regarding certain resolu that fifty - 'five million dolla'l's there tions in regard 'lo raising a Loan on this year we will have had MR. SMALLWOOD : This ·is as it iMr. Speaker left the Chafr, Mr. oomes from the Treasury. Courage Chairman of Commit-tees. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1095 Resolutions read iby Clerk : made out of tlhe proceeds of tihe bond issue. "That i,t is expedient to bring in a measure ,to authorize ,the radsing o'f a MR. BROWNE : How is it s-pent loan of sixteen imiHion dollars ($16,- then? 000,000) on t1he credit of 'the Province." MR. SM.ADLWOOD : It is spent as MR, BROWNE : Mr. Chaimnan, shown in the estimates. you are going ,to give the deta,ils of MR. BROvVNE : H ·there ,was a de the loan, what the loan is ~or, and fiici,t you could get it .from Ottawa? show how it is ,to be expended? You could get ,an a,mount suffiicient 'lo MR. SIMAULWOOD : The details cover the defioit on current account? are in t!he esimates. M'R. SMALLWOOD: •We could yes. MR. BROWNE : These votes, un That is what it is tlhere for. der capi,taI account ex,penditure in rhe MR. 1BROWNE : Then we take the es-timates are 1the details for which the revenue and expenditure and su/btract loan is required? the revenue from the ex,penditure, and MR. SM.ALLWOOD : That is right. t'he balance is 1the amount. M'R. BROWNE : But there are MR. SMALLWOOD: We are un items of revenue to go against these der no oMigation to spend it, except capita,! accounts. I take it, therefore, for certain statutory amounts, of i,t is Vhe net amount in each particular course. case? MR. BROWNE : You are under MR. SMALLWOOD : Yes. no oibli:gation - You may not spend it. You might not ibe .uble to spend it, MR. BROWINE : 11 rwould like to neveritheless ,it will ibe ap,propl'iaited by get 1this definitely. Would I ibe just ne:x;t year, ,j'f not spent. But can ,the ified in takiing the ex,penditure for each Government take money from one de department and p'1acing against that partment no,w and spend it in another? the appropriate revenue for that de partment and ,rhe balance •rhen would MR. SMALLWOOD : Yes. be subtracted, and ,would 'be the amount for that particular department MR. BROWNE : Under the Audit for which loan is required. Act? MR. SMALLWOOD : Yes, except MR. SIMALLWOO[) : The Bill de that insofar as the loan ,picture is af notes dhe pm·pose for which the deben fected iby the size of the surplus in ·tures a,re wld, and ,the punpose to current account, 'because ,rhat ,too wiill which ,the proceeds will be devoted. be spent, on current a·ccount surplus, MR. BROWNE : The BHI that is M'R. 1BROWNE : Say ~here is a de to follow these reso-Iu tions? ficit, for argument sake, of a mdllion MR. SMALLWOOD : Yes. llt is in dollars, how must that affect then your the resolutions, is ,it not? capital expenditure? MR. BROWINE : No. MR. SMALLWOOD: If there is no surplus on current account ,the only MR. SMA'LLWOOD : iH is dn the capi,tal account expenditure wouild be Bill. 1096 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS MR. BROWNE: It is in the Loan Mr. Speaker resumed it!he Chair. Bill. We ·have not seen .it. Where is the ,Loan Bil11 M,R. COURAGE : The Committee of •t•he Whole has considered the mat MR. SIMALLWOOD: lit is -to be ter -to them referred and considered di~triibu,ted. '1t might 1be of conven cei,tain resolutions. ience to the honourable members if the Loan Bill were distributed. But Bill read a first and second time. I will say this; the ,Di.II ,provides that MR. HOLLETT : '1 have already it is for t'he purpose of rnim:'bursing spoken to the resolution and 'I do not the consolidated revenue ,fund for ex want to delay the House. I think it penditures made, and to lbe made for should be necessary to specify the consJtruction of educational insti,tu amounts and on what ithey are to be tions, the Trnns - Canada !Hig'hway and used, Trans - Canada ,Highway and other roads and ,bridges, for the de farming and IW'ha-t it is ·to 1be spent on. velopment of far,ms and the fis•hery, I think it was always done belfore. and for such other pm1poses as the Lieutenant - Governor in Council may MR. SMA,LLWOOD : No. direct. MR. HOU.JETT : It should be. MR. BROWNE: Weli, [ suppose MR. BROWINE: I would like to we can't very wel1l talk a,bout 'l'hat now. support the Leader of ,t1he Opposition. But 'W'ha,t it really amounts ,to is that IIl does not speci[y how much is to be the current account expenditure and spent on any particuJa,r t:hing, Trans · ~he cap,ital account ex,penditure has Canada High~vay, fisheries and fanm :been added together to give you this ing. 1! have no idea or if any member fifty - five miUions, ,which I tihink has, ·how much is ,going ,to 1be spent, should 1be ifiiFty - four; and tlb.e differ say for the development of farming. ence between t:he esimated current ls ,there any amount speci,fied, We expemli,Lure and Lula! is the amount of only have $100,000 for one i,tem and the loan, roughly? $50,000 for another. How much has MR. SM.AiLLWOOD: That is ap been aL!ocated to general accoull!l for prox,imately. farming, can anyone tell me? MR. BROWNE : Is it not the prac · DR. R:OWE: Two hundred til1ou tice to put the proceeds of the loan in sand for farming on ca,pita1J account. -to consolidated revenue? MR. SPEAKER : Moved and sec• MIR. SMA:11LWOOD : All moneys onded that the Bill be now read a t'hat come in •to the Crown must go second time. into "CRF." T•hat is •the laiw. It is •the ,Audit Act. Carried. MR. HOLLETT: Can we talk on MR. SIPEAKER : Moved and sec ~his Bill now? onded dhe Bill be now ,referred to a MR. &MA•LLWOOD: No, we are Committee of the W.holc House. not come to tha,t. Carried. MR. OHkIRJMAIN : 'ls this resolu MR. SP.EAKER : This is a BHl and tion carried? have no authority ,to exempt it from Carried. the House. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1097 MR. Si\.1-ALLWOOD: Would the are opposed to taxation. rea-lize we honouraible gentlemen ,be ,willing. It must •have taxes and 11 certainly realize has ,been through Committee. that we have •to ,pay ~hem occasionally. MR. SPEAK:ER : Motion is that I II have not read this ·Bill until now now leave the Chair. but 'l know the general sense ,is that we have •to ,pay another tl\\'O cents tax. Mr. Courage, 'Chairman of Com· Seventeen cents on a ga,llon of .gasoline. mittees in the Ohair. I do not think they pay much more Hem No. 2 - Loan •Bill ; than that for a gaillon of gas in the Uniited States. Does anyone here know Clauses 1 and 2 read and carried. what they pay for it in the United Mr. Speaker resumed the Oha,i-r. States? -MR. COURAGE : The Commibtee MR. BROW.NE : Twenty cents. of ·Vhe Whole has considered the mat MR. HOLLETT : Here rwe pay ter to ,them a-eferred and has passed sevnteen cents before ~ve are aHrnved the .Bill without amendment. to buy -t1he gasoline and we pay forty - nine cents now for gasoline. Anybody MR. SPEAKER : Moved and sec who •thinks we are not taxed in this onded that the BHl be now read a coun,try of Canada, in this country of third •time. ours, when we pay almost ,as much •tax Carried, Bill passed. on gasoline as our neighbours pay for the gasoline itself including tax. We MR. SMALLWOOD : Numlber 36. are not •too privileged and we are cer Tax on gasoline. Gasoline Tax. tainly payiing for w1hat we get and i'f MR. BROWNE : iI wonder H the any government starts to crow of puib Minister can ,tell me how much rev lic services t'hen I ~hink ithe people enue he expects from ,this source? ought to feel very proud ,that they are the ones ~vho will pay for it and not MR. POWER : $400,000. ,tfurough any g-reat work on tlhe ,part of MR. BROWINE : You expect a Iot the Government. Any person can bring more gasoline to be used -than last services ilf they hiave t-he money ,to do year. Do you know the a MR. HOLLETT : Not because I MR. FOG\MULL: I wis'h to register o,wn a car am I opposed ,to •this Bill, I my ddsap,proval of the two cents gas am opposed to this Bill as all people oline •tax. It makes that 17c. a gallon 1098 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS plus ,the Federal Government tax on M'R. BRO'WlNE : Clause 7 includes gasoline, we .find today on the cost of some new clauses. Section 26 a.tlows ,gasoline we will nGW lbe paying 69% the aipointmernt of in&pectors and every taxa-tion which is ,too higlh and 1 think Hcencee shall permit an inspector or the people 'W1ilil not use as much gas o£ficer to enter on his premises and oline and the effect which the ,Finance sha,IJ disclose ,to him aH necessary items Minister ex,pects to get, 11 •think he is or whatever ,he demands. An ,inspec going to have a suriprise and he is not tor may, wi•thout a warrant, enter and going ,to gain near as much money as search any prem~ses or any motor he thinks :he wilI. vehicle whom he may have reason ,to suspeot is keepiing ma11ked gasoJ.ine :for MR. SP:EAKJo:R : Moved and sec sale or wha•tever reason. Can anyone onded the Bill 1be now read a second tell me if -there has rbeen any trou1ble time. like ~hat? I never •heard of ,any. Bill read a second 0ime and carr,ied. MR. SMAuLWOOD : Not a great Item 1 through 4 ca-rried. deal, but some. There has aJiways been a liDtle. The system is that a farmer Hem No. 5: or a fisherman gets a Hcence ·to pur MR. BRO'\VNE : I wish to refer to chase coloured gasoline and a person Section 16 of ~he Gasoliine Act: can only seJ,l to those who produce permits. I,t is di'fficul,t ·to dist-inguis·h "16. No person shall sell or keep the use,~ to which this ooloured gas with intent to sell or use gasoline df oline ,is put. 'J;t shou•ld only 1be pu.t in low octane dlassifica,t-ion for any pur a motm· boat or traotor hut a farmer pose other ,than the purpose of opera,t is not supposed to use it to drive to ing a vessel, 'boa:t, or ,tractor." town. He is mpposed to use i1t in his traotor or tank. Wh!at does the BiU mean now? MR. HROWNE : And an inspector MR. SM•AILLWOOD : T,hat new can come along and ta,ke a sample out paragraph ~s now ,included under of his tank? Section 15. MR. SMAI.;LWOOD : Yes. Clause No. 5 carried. Clause car-r-ied. Clau~e iNo. 6 : Cla.u5e 8: MR. BROWNE : Perha·ps someone can explain why -it is necessary to give MR. CURT'IS: 'J1his does not come the Department ,these extra pGWers. into efeot until t'he 6th clay of June. Was there any trou,ble found in the administration olf the Act? Clause cmried. Mr. Speaker resumed the Ohair. MR. SMALLWOOD : T1his comes every yea,r from the Treasury. The MR. COUR:AGE: The Committee Cabinet ex,amines it, they find flaws of the Whole has considered the ma,t and •we try to straighten them out by ,ter ,to it referred and has passed the amendirrg i,t. Bill without amendments. Clause No. 6 car11ied. Bil.I read a third time and passed. Clause No. 7 : "A Bill, ":An Act Respecting the HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1099 Construction of a Railway from Wa adian J1avelin, and I rbelieve t,he leading bus1h Lake." spiriit in ~hat COlilJPany, says, and says ca,tegoricaHy, that he and his company MR. &MiAtLLiWOOD : This is a Bill intend to develop the airea a,t Wabush •ll"hich, i,£ passed, would give the Gov Lake, 'for which pur,pose they wish and ernment ,authority ,to authorize the intend, i.f permi,tted, to !build a ra,iJ,w,ay ,building o'f a raHway from mi~e 2,25 on connecting wHh the common - carrier the rniliway LJhat runs :from Seven raHway w!hich now runs from Seven 'Islands to Knob Lake to some forty - ,Islands to Knotb Lake or Bumrt Creek. five miles away to Wa~ush Lake. -The However, he must have the permission. House undoulbtedly is aiware of the You cannot just go and !build a raHway fact that NALCO has given to Can ,without permission. adian Javelin a su:bconcession in the southwest comer of rLalbrador and in This Bill authorizes •t•he Government the su•l::>'concession, Canadian Javelin to awthorize the !building o'f this rail has discovered a very greart desposit o'f way from mile 225 on the !Iron Ore a was-h ,grade iron ore. Canadian Company's Railway ,to Waibush rLake. Javelin Company has done a very fine The Bill, in addition to giving them ,piece of w011k in surveying 'lha,t that simple right dbes, of course, in deposit. They O:lave drilled many addition spel'I out some consideralble thou.sands of feet into t•he ore. They deta,i•ls as to ~vhat the company would engaged the Canadian Longyear Com be permit•ted to do; tlhe right •to con pany for this pu11pose. The findings struct ,me railway, the right to a'cquire of the company's drilling programme rproperty by purchase, lease or other have been suibjected to •~he most wise, the right to enter land for the thorough study 1by a considerable num route bf survey; the Government to ber of autihor-ities including the grant land for certain purposes, and Massa'Chuse~tes ilnsti.tute of Technology the right of expropriation, and the and the Bartel Instiitute of Cleveland right •to take mate:rfal for con~truction or Detroit, very .famous for analyzing of the railiway. There is a clause re the resuJ,ts of dia,mond drilling and specting a,rbitmtion and another con otiher furrns df geological .processes. All ferr.ing the right •to take timber from of us in NALCO have seen •l'he reports Crown Lahds for 1the purpose of the of these lnstituites and Companies and rai!,way. Of course conditions ,apply to in addition to seeing these reporits ~he right to taike timber from Crown N AUCO herself retained the services Land. The company is not entitled to of consul,tant geologists and engineers mines or minerals. who vdsited the areas and then analyzed 17he company ,t1hen, in •Sect-ion 16, the reports and ot-he-r data ga-t-hered shall •within five yea,rs of the passing iby Canadian Javelin. So ,that N:A-LCO, of this Act, commence con~truction of therefore, of its own knowledge knows the railway and shaH rwi•thin ten yea,rs ,that this is an immense deposit of iron thereafter complete 1the rai:lway. If ore. Now the rbelief is ,that this ore, within a ,period of five years 'from ,the 'hy ,the use of ~he Hump'hrey Spiral passing of t·his Act •the railway is not System, can •be wa~ed, ipurified and commenced, the r.ights, powers and brought to an average iron content of private g.rants and all the provisions of 65 a.nd 70 per 'Cent iron, which is a the Act shaH cease, and any land or very •high grade of ,iron. other rights granted 'hereunder shall Mr. Doyle, ~he Chairman of Can · .revert to a reinvestemen t in the Crown 1100 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS wi-thout any allowance or refunds be MR. HOLLETT : At t·he ,time t·here ing. made ,to -the Crown. This rwould rwere some very imporbant things dis put :tha.t maximum period on their cussed. I don't ,know wlhether this was right to commence and comiplete. But one of Vhem or not. ,they say - I do no:t say - Canadian MR. SMA·LLWOOD : The trip was Javelin says bhey intend to lbuild the a half an hour or an hou·r, in Mon railway this year, 1955. treal. The A,ot, I •believe, is very similar, MR. HO'LlJETT : .Butt very tmpo11t if not identical to the Bil,! ,passed rby ant things were talked about. the ,Commiss-ion of Government grant ing the I,ron Ore Company, or tlhe MR. SMALLWOOD: Who told the Larbrador Mining and Ex.p-Jora,tion h-onourable gentleman that Dr. Va:ld Company, the .right to build 1Vhe rail manis was •there or ,Mr. Doyle- a lit>tle way ,through rLalbrador, or the part of biird? Labrador through which the railway MR. HOLLETT : Ha! Hal There had to pass. is nothing secret in rthis world, and I Mr. Stpeaker I move •the second read wish the Honourable the Premier ing of this Bill. would get around to believing that. We cannot hide these things, not MR. HOLILETT : Mr. Speaker, things like that, espe.cially when you 1 generally, 1 ·think, nobody should be have four or five men in a •bba•t. No against the building of a railway or i•t is not possii•ble to keep iit a secret. against ·t-he pr,inc~ple involved in build I could tell a lot a'bou t ,tha,t boa ting ing a raibway, so tlhat ,I don'•t ,think we trip - but generally, Sir we, are not could very well register any protest. against the principle of ,building a Bu,t •I want to register this prote&t, railway to this mine. H there is that if this thing is as important as any money involved, as far as this it appears on bhe face of 'it, on the Government is concerned at the word of the ·Premier, 11 fail to see how momen1t, I •th-ink we bet-ter •be very we can be expected to give the con careful, not because of ,this pa11tic11Iar siideration to it that should lbe given company or because of Javelin or lbe a Bi:11 of >this impo11tance, at fifteen ca;use of Mr. Doyle or NALCO, but minutes to twelve, withou,t having seen 'because of the present state of the fiin this Bill until about five minu-tes ago. ances of this country. The Honouraible tlhe ,Premier gets up and tells -us a1bout rM,r. Doyle and I support the Bill, Mr. Speaker, if Javelin and NA'LCO, and we ha'Ve for no•~hing else, I support it ,to try heard about NAil.:CO bel'ore, and we and get ourt of this pla~e and get home. are going to hear about it again. We I have a family at home wondering have heard albout Javelin and Mr. where ,1 am, I suppose, ,at this hour of Doyle, •and I remember hearing a story the night. They certainly would not albouit a boat 1tI1irp of •the Premier and exipect me to be here in the peoples' M,r. Doyle on ,the St. iLarwrence River House of Assembly - I don't kno~v with Dr. Valdmanis and the Minister ll"hat they rwouid think. of Finance. ,1 don't know whether the Honouraible ,the Premier remembers I would like to scour the Govern ment for its brazen audacity to !bring t•hat •boat trip on t·he St. Laiwrence? a Bill of that sort ·here at midnight. MR. SM,A,LL'WOOD : [ do. We were •working since seven o'clock HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1101 this morning, most of us. T·hen he No, II a.m not against the principle, eicpects us to give it proper consiiiera Sir. I agree ,with it, lbut very reluc - tion. I venture •to •bet the Premier tantly at this time of the night. and perhaps the •Minister of Justice On motion Bill read a second time. 'have read •th<11t - Yes, ,the Minister of Mines and Resources says he has done MR. CUR'J,IIS : I wonder if we it. Has the member for Trinity might go into Commi'totee of the Whole Souith? on this Bill, now, Mr. S.peaker. MR. BUTTON : I ·have read it. It MR. SMALL\,\100D : H we do, Mr. is very interesting. Speaker, migh'l we not also do Mortier MR. HOLLETT : Are you going to Bay Bi-II? T1hat is a pennissive Bill give him that district down there? only. MR. SMALLWOOD: No, that is MR. HOLLETT : Is there some not his distr-iot. •We hope we wil:l have dispute •as ·to ,who is going to get that. him available to represent Newfound Could we let that .Jie over to tlhe next land in ~he building of that railway, session? as he did on ,the other one. MR. SMA'LU'\'OOD : No, •I don't MR. BROWNE: Is it hard to get think so. a jdb there? MR. CUR TIIS : Perhaps we migh1 MR. S.MAiLLWOOD: -Ilhe honour take all the Bills -~ha-t are there? We alble gentleman might otry. I got a might, Mr. Speaker, move that a,11 rhe few. outstanding Bills be referred to a Com mi,ttee of the Whole. MR. HOLLETT : I am not against 1he principle of -~he Bill. I have rea On motion Committee of ~he Whole son to rememlber most of ·t•he people on sundry Bills. who went down there to build that :\ rr. Speaker le£t the Chair. projeot came from Lhe d~stTict which t'he •honouralble memlber had the Mr. Courage, Ohairman of Com honour to represent - a good number mil'tees in die Chair. of tihem. A Bi]!, "An Act Respecting the Con MR. SMALLWOOD : .It was his struction of a Railway from Wabus'h deal, was it not? Lake:" MR. HOLLETT : •I don't think he Glauses I through 4 carried. ~hould have a monopoly. Clause .~: MR. COURAGE : Hearl Hear! MR. HOLL·ETT: Everyone agrees MR. HOLLETT : What -is the sense with me. o.f g,iving the company the right to a•cquire by purchase? Surely any com MR. OHALKER : I don't agree. pany constructing a railway has a right got a lot down from my district. to do t·ha:t. lit is a Canadian company, MR. HOLLETT : I see. I strongly is i-t not? wspect very few wiJ:l get any work MR. CURT1IS : Incorporated here. there at all until they stal't digging out t1be ore down ~here. MR. HOLLETT : When? 1102 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS MR. CURT.IS : About two ~veeks ask the Premier i.f ,these people made ago. an application to the Federal Govern - menit ,to construct the railway for Clauses 5 through 10 carried. them? Clause 11 : MR. S.MAll.J!JWOOD : 11 don',t think MR. HOIJLETT : Mr. Ohairman, so. on .tlha.t one there is also the ·right to MR. BROWINE : T·he Federal Gov give t'be company building >the railway ernment construoted two during the the dght to cuit any itLm'ber ~hey want. ,past tlwo or three years. MR. CUR'11IS : ·For bies, yes. MR. CURTIS : How long? MR. HOLLETT : Why not ma,ke it pay for it. MR. BROW:NE : I would say one is fif,ty and one ,is forty miles. MR. CUR'IlIS: They have to pay for it. MR. CURTIIS: Do you think the Federal Government would construct a MR. HOIJLETT : Free of charge railway belonging to a privaite com from unoccupied or ,unleased Crawn pany? Land. How are we going to know how much ,they are to take? MR. BROWNE : No, tI don'it think MR. SMALL·WOOD : 'Let us put so. [ was just wondering iif ,they had in, "At such rates as ,may be deter 'been asked. mined." Clauses 13 through 15 carried. MR. HOLLETT : At least that Clause 16: gives us some protection. MR. SMALLWOOD: On clause 16, 'MR. SIMA'LLWOOD : 1Jt is a good Section (I) , (2) and (3) are im idea. por,tant. Amendment, that t'he words "free of charge" be deleted and the words MR. BROWNE : There does not "upon such terms as may be mutually seem to ibe anyVhing very immediate agreed upon" be inserted. On motion albout this thing, although the 1Premier carried. says they are going ahead with iit this year. Clause 12 carried. MR. SIMALLWOOD : [ did not say Clause 13: they ,were going ahead t'his year. I MR. HOLI.JETT: I wonder, should said they said they are, but I did not you make some provision ,there as to say ,they were. I said they said they Vhe rntes of tran;;poDta:tion on buses. were. Then '1 added, I am not saying so, ~hey said H. MR. CURT,IS : I think probably it comes under PU:b:lic Utilities. M:R. BROWINE : Lf they are, why are they looking for five years? MR. SIMA,DLWOOD : 1Lt does not - this is exempted. [t does unless ex MR. SMAL'LWOOD : They are not. empted. MR. BROWNE : W•hy have you got MR. BROWNE : [ would like to it in? HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1103 MR. SMA!LLWOOD : Suppose i,t is reason for .its existence ,would be that not rhis year,. are we to come in again it contained t'he rworkers in ~hat mine. next year and pass another - what is t'he ·harm? MR. HOLLETT: Goodness knows rwha:t might happen in a period of M:R. CURTlIS: We have no'thing years. It might !be necessary to set up to fose. [ocal councils or co.mmuniity councils. Clause 16 carried. MR. SMALLWOOD: They are •the ones who ,will want them. Corner Clauses 17 to 20 carried. Brook and Grand Falls would very Clause 21 : much Hke a town council. MR. BROWNE : Cou;Jd they oper M:R. HOLLETT : If we get a com ate as a common carrier? pany Hke ,the AND Company and Bo waters, yes. They knorw how to run a MR. CURTio : H does not say so. town lbut there are companies and MR. Blt"OWNE : •Is this exactly like there are companies. the oVher one? What year is th~t? Clause 23 carried. MR. GURTJS: 1947. Clauses 24 to 28 carried. MR. BROWNE : Did you pass one MR. COURAGE : Moved that the for them before? Committee passed ,this Bill with some MR. SMA•IJI;WOOD : Yes, it goes amendanents. bhrough Labrador. Three di·£ferent Clause 14 ~vas allowed •to stand. Acts were passed. A 1Bill, "An Act ·Further to Amend M:R. BROWNE : There -is no plan •~he Highway Tra:£fic Act." here. II~ there a plan •here? MR. SMAILLWOOD : The Com Olauses 1 and 2 carried. mirtee can picture Kno!b Lake and Clause 3: Seven ,Islands, 365 miles and one third MR. HOLLETT : On this one of the way in we str,ike •the Lalbrador boundary. 365 miles to Knob Lake bwenty - four hours seems a long time. A person runs dorwn a man and he has and one third of the way in we turn t~venty- four ·hours .to report it. He off to t'he left. That is 225 miles in Wabus·h to the left. can :rlways 'find a ,police officer to report it. Clause 21 carried. 'Clause 3 carried. Clause 22 carried. Clause 4: Clause 23: MR. BROWINE: Which ·is the $100 M'R. HOLLETT: You are creating deductijble? What is -the reason for a company town there under Section t'hat? 23. M:R. SPENCER : The iprev-ious clause MR. SMAIJLWOOD: Yes indeed, was $50.00 and •to 'bring it into J.ine and we do not rwant to !be in any sense rwith the rest of the ,Maritime !Provinces or degree responsvble for any costs in and other Provinces of Canada, at a connection wibh the ,town. The only conference fast year it was agreed we 1104 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS would ,bring it into line. Ours had MR. BROWNE : Clause 3. ,I do been $50.00 and now iit ,is SI 00.00 not know whet,her there is much use raising an objection but 1t seem5 to me MR. CURTIS: Under the other to •be a departure from the usual pro one if his damage was $101.00 he cedure in t'hat vhe officials o'f the would get it all but now he only gets Department of 1Pulblic Works can go in the one hundred dollars. on people's land and eXJpropriate it Clause 4 carded. and the Government ,js not liable to pay anything until the owner produces, Clauses 5, 6 and 7 carried. -to the satisfact,ion of the 1Minister, his Bi,JI passed wit'hout amendment. title deeds of his land and gives to ~he l\linister any information he migM A Bi11l, "An A,ct to Amend the require as to ,his ti-tie to t'he land. That Lifr and Aocident Insurance Agents is a departure from ,the common law (Licensing) Act." and ·it seems to me a very 'bad de parture. The Minister himself will Clause I carried. hardly 1be the one who is going to pass Clause 2: judgment upon these rhings. 'I do not know who he has in mind. W-ho is MR. HOLLETT : W·ha't is Vhe fee going ,to do this work for him? Mr. under sub - section 2? French or Mr. Crummey? MR. CURTIIS: It was $5 .00 and MR. SPEiNCE.R : 'J1hc Assistant now i'l is $6.00 is it not? Deputy Minister ,who hand;!es most of the Pub-lie Works Acts. AH 't'hat is MR. BROW,NE : The Council is required of the owner is ,to produce getting a-fte1· the commercial travellers evidence that he is the owner. and now t'he Government is getting a,fter the life insurance agents. How MR. BROWINE : A person who -is much are they going ,to collect? in possess-ion and 1101.iod)' can inle1,fere, even to trespass. Now the Crown gets MR. CURT1IS : Some people come the right to go in on this land and in and they are not residents and they says: "You have -to produce title to get ou,t again and they only pay a us before ,we pay you compensa,tion." S5.00 fee, ·whereas residents have to I1f he has a possessing title will the pay $5.00. Minister be sMisfied with that, squat . :\1'R. Sl:\1ALLWOOD : T>he resident ters ri.g!hts? agents are already covered. This M•R. SPE.NCE.R : Yes, if it can ·be a,mendment just ·covers the transients. proven. We have had a case in ,the Clause carried. Court where i,t was proven the squatter had possession for sixty years. He Bill passed without amendment. would receive compensa•tion. A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend MR. 1BROWNE : lf I pick up gold, the Public Works A·ct." nOlbotly can 1take it from me 1but ~he Olauses l and 2 carried. true owner. Now if the Crown wants that gold .they can take it ·and here 0lause 3: tthc Crown comes along to t'he osten MR. HOLLETT : My '1earned sible owner and says : "We want the Irknd ·has some remarks ,to make on land." I am sure ~he Crown would Clause 3. do it. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1105 MR. SPENCER: Not without due land, the Minister may pay. Would compensation. l !lave known wihere you put in "shall" pay? they paid .for it on land that belonged MR. S.PENIGE-R: Yes, I agree to to t'he Crown, just because the oc put in "shall." cupant had it fenced. T'hat was on the Torbay Road. The A~torney Gen MR. CURTIS : Would iit lbe better eral mentioned it a fow days before. not to say "shall." There ,is no al MR. BROWNE : He did not pay ternative. it in the case ,I refer to. iI am referring MR. BROWINE: There is no rea to the estate of Doyle in Torbay where son why iby mutuaI agreement it need the fence.~ were ,put back 25 -feet on not ,be done. He, ,the owner, does not one side of the road. The .fence was have -to do it right away. But i'f they not touched on rhe western side olf the can't come to terms the 'Minister can road, they just widened the road by pay him. Tha1t is, wkhin a reasonalble taking one side of ,the land and •I never time. even got an answer to my 'letter. MR. CHAIRM-AN : The amendment MR. SPENCER : I have no know ·is to 22 (e) . 'The ,word "may" is de ledge of rhis particular case but it leted and "shall" is substituted. sometimes happens that i'f it is incon venient to widen on lborh sides an at Clause 3 carried. tempt is made to widen on one side. Clause 4: In -rhat case we try to make ,it con venient for the possessor. Id' we take MR. BROWNE : T 'ha,t is another the •land from the center of the road one to which I draw attention, [ have it means moving his building and we n~t looked at the section recent•ly. The do not al~vays want to do thait kind of Minister may now say : "I warnt your thing. As far as this Act is concerned fence back one hundred feet from the ,I do not know just •how the Depart centre of the road." ment can hope to make progress wti'h -the demands made on the DepaTtment MR. SPENCER : Only in such cases today for modern highways without where it is going to give a community something of this kind and ~here has or ,town the right of way it rwants. never been a case, even where an Sixty - six feet is under the Puib'.Lic owner has claimed t-he land despite Works Act. t'he fact his grant showed a hundred MR. BROWNE: You want to in foot reservation, where a man has been orease thrut to one hundred? dispossessed, where he has not !been oollllJJensated. 'Dhat is merely to allow M:R. SPENCER: Not necessari~y. us to matke progress and there are some The distance is sixty · six feet on the people who try to 1block it. •In the Trans - Canada and through a town main it is amazing how many people and -in some cases it is forty feet. are really coming to see the great need for im,provement of the road and in M'R. BROWNE : The Minister has most places we found the utmoot co· made regulations taking sixty - six feet. operation. I•t is ·generally the same r.ight through a distriot. MR. BROW:NE: 22 (e) refers to the same su'bject. 'Lf the owner of the MR. SPENCER : There is· no dif land fails to make out his •title ,to the ference whatever in this Act. The only 1106 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS thing in ,the section is the word "re Life and Accident Insurance Agent• maval." (Ucensing) Act," No. 29. MR. BROWiNE : Yes, ,that is the A Bill, "An Act Respecting Mortier only di,£ficulty. Bay Development Comrpany 'Limited," No. 35. Olause carried. RepoN received. On motion Bills Bill rpassed wirhout amendment. ordered read a third time now : .Committee of ,the Whole on Hill, A Bill, "An Act Fm'ther to Amend "An Aot Respecting the Mortier Bay the 1LiJfe and Accident [nsurance Development Company:" Agents (Licensing) Act," on motion Clauses I and 2 cairried. read a third ,time and passed and ti-tie be •as on the Order Paper. Clause 3 : A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend MR. HOLLETT : I wonder 1f the the Highway TraFfic Act," on motion sponsor o'f 1the Bill could tell us how read a third ,time and passed and title many square miles there are? be as on the Order ,Pa,per. MR. S,MA'lJLWOOD: I am afraid I A BiH, "An Act Respecting Mortier cannot, honestly. Bay Development Company Limited," Clauses 3 to 6 carried. on motion read a ~hird ,time and passed and title be as on the Order Clause 7 : Paper, MR. HOLLETT : 11 take it the Lieu MR. COURAGE : Mr. Speaker, the tenant - Governor in Coull'cil would Committee of the Whole considered not put ,this Act into force until iit gets the ma,tters ,to it referred and passed some sort of assurance something is to ~he following Bills with some amend lbe done? ments: MR. S-MIALLi\VOOD : No. "An Aot Respecting the Cond>iitional Clause 7 carried. Sale of Goods." On motion Bill passed without "An Act Further to Amend the Pulb amendment. lic ,~ToDks Act." On motion ,the Commi,ttee of the "An Act Respecting the Construc ·whole rose to report prog,rcss. tion of a Railway from Wa;bush Lake." Mr. Speaker returned to the Ohair. RepoN received, Bills ordered read a third time now : MR. COURAGE : Mr. Speaker, ~he Committee of the Whole have con A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend sidered the maNers to them refeirred, the Putblic Works Aot," on motion read and have passed the following BHls a ~hird time, ordered passed and title without amendment: be as on ,the Order ,Paper. A B111, "An Act Further ,to Amend A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Con ditiona,] Sale of Goods," on motfon the Hiighway Tra'Mic Act," No. 32. read a ,third time, ordered passed and A Bill, "An Act to Amend the tiHe be as on the Order O>aper. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1107 A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Con amounts, one •the ,figure ,tihey paid for struction of a Railway from Wabus·h ~he plant and property of •Fishery Pro. Lake," on motion ,read a •third time ducts Limited and tiwo the amount and passed and •title be as on the they need wit•h which to extend and Order 'Paper. improve 'the plan,t themselves. The terms of repaymen,t are thii,ty equal MR. C'U'RT'IS: Mr. Speaker, 11 won instalments commencing the 4th day der j;f 1 could have the consent of the of November .1957, the rate of interest House to move t'he House into Com· ·:s 3½%, lbut t•he breakdown is not mittee of the Whole -to consider ·certain given here. resolutions; the advancing or guaran teeing of certain Joans. I understood MIR. HOLLETT : What was the that had been on tihe Order Paper, purchase price? T1he pwrchase price of but -it became mixed up wivh the the pro,perty was S,175,000 paid to Local Authority Guarantee Act. Then Fishery Products Limi-ted, the 1balance i;t was thought we might lbll'ing i-t in •the acquisition of boats and extensions under the Commit-tee on Ways and and improvements of the plant by t1he Means, however, I ask the indulgence new owners. of the House to go into Committee of Eckhardt Mills Limited, $160,000. the W·hole on t•hese resolutions. MR. SMALLWOOD: That was ,to Mot-ion carried. construct the new s-taff house. The Mr. Speaker left the Chair, Mr. Committee knows about that. Courage, Chairman o f Committee of MR. HOLLETT : On that point, I the Whole: understand these people have been MR. SM:ALL WOOD : Mr. •Chair given a •beer licence. man, practically all of these items in MR. SMA!LLWOOD : No. this list are in the Bill and ha•ve al· ready ibeen before the House and have MR. BROWNE: Yes, they have. been debated, some of them very keen ly deiba-ted, but the Corner Brook MR. SM-ALLWOOD: In ,their resi- dence. I guess ,they are used to ihav-ing School Tax is not ,printed in .t1he list, a glass of wine and a •bottle of 'beer. It nor is it -included ln the total given is very commonplace in £urQpe. here in the resolutions. T·hat amount was for $1,100,000, Corner Brook MR. BROWNE: I know :that, but School Tax Authority. That makes it seems to me - I suggest to the the total in the resolutions $4,849,650. Minister oE Finance his inspectors in spect to see if the law is 1being carried MR. BROWtNIE : Burgeo Fisih In· dustries Limi,ted $650,000 - tha,t is the out. amount .for the purchase of the fis•h MIR. SMALL·WOOD : Very keen on plant by John ,Penney and Sons and this business - H. B. Clyde Lake Limited. M.R. HOLLETT: We heard strange MR. HOLLETT : Wfrile on that, stories , people going to other beer could I a&k, was that money ;paid over places and get-ting 1beer charged mp un to Fishery ,Products? til they get their week's pay, and not only there but here in town. MR. SMALLWOOD: Yes. Not all of it, •this amount includes two MR. SMALDWOOD : It is contrary 1108 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS to the Ia,w. We will certainly have i-t MR. SMALLWOOD : That is to re looked ·into. place 'bank loans to them, repayable in amounts of $3,000 from the 1st of MR. HOLIJETT : cr don't think it April 1955, then 1956, 1957, 1959. is advisa1ble that people s'hould 1be allowed to go into the lbeer parlours MR. BIROWNE: Was t1he $3,000 and 'buy on credi,t. paid on the 1st of April? HON. J. R. OHALKER (Minister of MR. SMALLWOOD : 1J don't know. Education) They never get me credit No, excuse me, payment is in ,ten equal like tihat. amounts, annua1 insta,Iments of a thou sand dollars commencing ht December Fortune Bay Products Limited, 1955. Between the time of giving the s200,ooo: guarantee and sign,ing of the aigree Fortune Shipping Limited, $250,000 : ment Vhe loan was reduced to ten thousand dollars - interest is a,t 5%. MR. SMA:LLWOOD : T'his is the T'he guarantee replaces one g.iven in plant a,t Fortune - a firm in New York 1950, The Government has a moNgage and Dixon. A reaHy big U.S. fish firm on its assets, and losses under insur - and Dixon and other local interests at ance policies payalble. Fortune. MR. BROWNIE: We did not see Captain H. H. Blackmore, $106,000 : any reference to this before? MIR. lSIM.ALLWOOD: That is Cap MR. SMALI.JWOOD: No the ,Joan is tain Blackmore, Port Union, and -tihe not guaranteed by us but by our re - bank advanced the money on our guar• quest by Crosbie & Company financing antee, to replace •the ,boat which was it. Tha,t was done a,t our request. The lost in the seal hunt las-t year. We society was in difficulties and Croslbie have a firnt mortgage on the 1boat and & Com,pany financed and out£i,tted insurance is payable to ~he Crown in them. And ~ve felt it 'Was not fair to t'he event of a loss. The boat is valued Crosbie & Company to have 1them stuck at over two hundred and fifty thou as a result of our request, and should sand dolla rs. Terms of repayment, have to pay? five equal annual instalments of $21 , MR. BROWNE: ·Is not •~hat a most 200 wi.bh first payment due 15th No• unusual way of doing !business? ven~her, 1955, and interest at 5%. MR. SMALLWOOD: 1It was an MR. HOLLETT : What insurance unusual situation. is carried? MR. SMALLWOOD : Full insur · M'R. HOLLETT : An unusual Gov- ance. ernment. MR. HOLLETT : Is that being Koch Shoes Limited, Sl20,000: paid? - I don't mean the ,premier, ,r MR. HOLLETT : ils that new? mean the '\Newfound-lander" which was lost? MR. SMALLWOOD : No, the one MR. SMALLWOOD : The "New whioh ·has been debated 'here. foundlander" ,was lost. That is right. MR. HOLLETT: How muoh is Cape St. Francis Co - operative Soc - that in -the aggregate a1together? The iety Limited, $10,450: total up to •the 28th of March, 1955, HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1109 Koch Shoes was $797,460. Now you Atlantic Hardwood 1Industries, Lim are giving them another $120,000 mak ited, S308,000 : ing it $900,000. Gold Sail Leather Goods Limited, MR. SMALLWOOD: The Com $15-5,000: mittee knows about that. Newfoundland Tanneries - William MR. BROWNE : What date did Dom, Limi-ted, $76,208 : you give that? Superior Rubber Company Limited, MR. SMAL1LWOOD : am afraid I $400,000 : have not the notes on it. Terra Nova Texti.Jes Limited, MR. BROWNE : Peiihaps ,the hon $235,840: oumble member for Green Bay might MR. SMALLWOOD : I believe that know. is the capi•tal •it started with. MR. MORGAN : I think t-hat was United Cotton Mills Limited, given in December, Sir, in insta1lments $109,000: of so much a month, starting the last of December. Newfoundland Quick Freeze Lim ited, $40,000. MR. BROWNE : How mu,ch per month? MR. SMALLWOOD : That is on the southern shore - O'Brien's at Wit MR. MORGAN : $20,000. less Bay. This is a di-rect loan which MR. SMALLWOOD : Under very was guaranteed to the company. They strict control. erected a fresh frozen fish plant at Witless Bay, estima·ted to cost $100,- M.R. HOLLETT : ls that included 000. T·he plant is designed ,to service in the amount paid from Fe'bruary to fishermen in Witless Bay area and take March of ,this year? quantities of fish at t,Lme from fisher - MR. SMALLWOOD: I would ,think men within that area. so, between Fdbruary of the year be MR. BROWNE: You said $100,000. fore and March of this year. 'l think That is for $125,000. Who is the it is included. $40,000. M·R. HOLLETT : Surely somebody MR. SM.Al.JLWOOD : T 1hat is the ought to know .how much we are in $40,000 - O'Brien's at W-itless Bay. volved in Kooh Shoes. I don't under Now O'Brien's Fisheries Limited $125,- stand why the Government don't bring 000 - Tha-t is Bay of llslands, a differ in these particulars. ent outfit altogether. This loan was granted Mr. O'Brien, Curling and MIR. SMIALILWOOD : ,I think H is J. J. Associates, to assist in erecting a fish included. It is not an additional :plant there. The money will be ad amount, I don',t think. vanced in the form of a d-irect loan Newfoundland Hard~voods Limited, with interest of 4%. The loan ,wiU be $510,000: repayable over a period of lfi'fteen years, in equal annual instalments, The amount invested by O',Brien and MR. SMALLW00-0: I am sure t·he Associates in property value and cash honournble gentleman will 'be glad to was in excess of $70,000, and $125,000 know the firm is not closing out. from us. This plant ,will serve a great MR. HOLI..JETT : I am very glad. need in the area, not only providing Phiil Petite was a very •fjne man. He an outlet for the catches of fishermen died !fighting for us . He died quickly. in Bay of Islands ,but from Bonne Bay and St. George's and Port au ·Port as He got it in the temple. And I was there. He was a son of Jerry. well, and fish will aiso be taken from White Bay to Hampden !by truck. It MR. SMAL1LiWOOD : Which shows is planned to handle albout two million that i,f one knows ·the persons con pounds of all varieties of fish; sa-lmon, cerned ipersona,lly, it sometimes makes lobster, herring., codfis·h etc. The local a difference as to •the amount of en· market at Corner Brook and nearby thusiasm with which we give a loan or places can abso11b a!bout ·halif of that don't give ·it. q,uantity. Arrangements have been made for the sale of fish to the Main · Finally there is this one to be added land as well. -to Lhe lis-t : Corner Brook School Tax Authority, $1,100,000. 1! should explain MR. HOLLETT: What is the date that •to the Committee. Tlhe Amalga of the loan? mated School !body of :Corner Brook MR. SMALLWOOD : I don't know. and the Roman Catholic School Au It is there. Last fall, I think. thority of Corner Brook, 1both, iwish to build Regional High S·chools, the HON. J. W. KEOUGH (Min-ister of Amalgamated ·body to build a Regional Fisheries and Co• operatives) : I don't Amalgama-ted High School at •~he cost think they have any money yet, if so, of $500,000 and the Roman Catholic bu,t a small portion of ,the whole. Sohool Authority •to build a Regional High School at a cost of $600,000 mak MIR. HOLLETT : 11 see. ing a total of $1,100,000. H. E. Petite Limited, $15,000: llt was thought at first the way to MR. SMALiLWOOD : That is a do it ,was for each of these lbodies ,to direct loan to assist t'his company to issue lbonds, one body for $800,000 buy out J. Petite & Sons of English worth of bonds and ,the other $300,000 Hal!bour West, for $27,000. 1ft was with Government .guarantees to hack feared t·ha•t t•he firm ,would dose up, them. I •had conversa,tfon with His and close the only source of supply to Excellency the Bisho,p of St. George's fishermen there and an outlet for their and the Roman Cat·hoJ.ic Board and fi$h would disappear. Repayment is A,malga:mated School Board it was over seven years and interest at 5%. agreed that •the better procedure would The Government holds a mortgage on be for ~he newly fopmed School Tax the premises and boats, and insurance Authority to issue the bonds 'because is in the name of the Crown in the •that Authority is to raise the money event oif loss. The business was 'bought with which to service the lbonds. They for $27,000, of which ,the Government are imposing a school tax in 'Corner put up $15,000. Brook at their own request. The MR. HOLLETT : ,Phil •Petite and proceeds of ,the school tax will go in myself were overseas toget'ber - He is whole or ·in part to service t·his bond the son of Jerry ,who owned that firm. issue of $1,100,000, ~hat is, to service it HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1111 as to principal and interest. T'he to see the investment disappear. We money received from the sale of !bonds do not :propose to see it happen. will be divided among ,the two 'bodies, l, Carried. one $800,000 cash and the other $300,- 000 cash and the money wil,I lbe used Mr. Speaker resumed the Ohafr. on a basis of non - discrimination to service the bond issue of $1,100,000. MR. COURAGE : The CommLt,tee That is a total of $8,849,650. has agreed to certain resolutions and is instructed to report so. MR. BROWNE : I would !'ike to ask the ,Premier a question albout the Moved and seconded that resolutions amount, about the G-Old Sail Leather be read a second time. Goods. There is ~155,000 this year. Bill carried. Is that in addi,tion to what was given last year? MR. CUR'IlIS : I do not Hke to ask the House to make any ,further con MR. SMALLWOOD: I don't know. cessions but there are one or two small MR. BROWNE : There is only Bills ,that are .important as far as the $1'12,000 in the whole plant. House is concerned and ,r was wonder ing if the House would be prepared MR. SMALLWOOD: It is only to put them through now or come working gradually. They must have a back tomorrow. half years inventory. They have to start the Christmas trnde many months A Birr!, "An Act to Amend the Con beforehand and stock up and send out stabulary Act." samples and get the oTders and ship MR. GURT'IS : This 1Bi11l is de out the goods and wait to get paid. signed to provide powers to make They ship the goods across Canada. regulations under the Constabulary It is a very promising IiHle industry, Act and to remove certain inequalities not hig. They make a product at least in ,the pensions of memlbers of the as good as anything of its kind any force who have been retfred. where in Canada. ii must say [ am watching carefully to see how the firm "4A,- (1) The Lieutenant - Governor does in the absence of ,Mr. SchaHers. in Council may make regulations pre He was a man ,who knew ,leather goods scrilbing the retirement age of mem as 1his father does. bers of the force, providing for the MR. HOLLETT: It is rather un payment to them of gratuities and fortunate he should have to leave here. pension on retirement and providing I know he expressed an opinion that for the payment of gratuities to the it could be made a good paying con widows or olher dependenls of any cern, but not, he says, under ~he such members who die while on active present management. It could not service with the lforce, and any such possibly succeed. regulations and every amendment, alternation and revocation ,thereof MR. SMALLWOOD : The whole heretofore made by the :Lieutenant - situation concerning these industries The Revised Statutes of Ne,..,found not eaI'lier than 1the date of his re land, I 952, and the revised pension tirement, that the Lieutenant - Gov shall lbe cakulated in accordance with ernor in Council may prescribe. reguilations made under or ratified and confirmed lby this section on the basis (4) Tlhis section shall not entitle a of the actual pay and allowances re member of the force or any other per ceived lby such member in respect of son to the award of a pension or the relevant period !before his retire - gratuity under or lby virtue of i1ts pro visions as a matter of right. ment and may 1be paid with retroact1ive effect to any date, not earlier -than the (5) The provisions of The Civil date of his retirement, that the Lieu Scrvi·ce Act relating to the award of tenant - Governor in Oouncil may pre - pensions and gratuities shall not apply scribe. to any member of the force whether or (3) Where at any ,time before t1he not he is ·a civil servant as defined by enactment of this section that Act. (6) For the purposes o1f this section (a) a memlber of the force was "memlber of the 1[01°ce" means the retired and a pension was Chief of Pol,ice and every commissioned a,warded to him cakulated in and non - commissioned officer and a,ccordance with The Civi1 Serv - constaJble of the Constalbulary Force of ice Act; Newfoundland and includes the Super (b) in the calculation of the pen intendent and every commissioned and sion, marriage and rent allorw non - commissioned o£ficcr and con - ances paid to such memlber stable of the Fire Department of the while he served in a rural area toiwn of St. John's, were properly taken into ac The pension of an officer has been count; and cakulated in accordance with the Civil (c) such alllowances iwere lower than Servke Act where he did not elect to similar allowances payable at lbe pensioned under the Consta!bulary the time to a me!Illber of the pension plan. Some years ago, 1952 or force of equal ra:nk and service iberore that, -when the Civi1 Service serving in an uriban area. Pension Act came into :force the con stables were given the ri,ght to elect the Lieutenant - Governor in Coun whether they wanted •to be pensioned cil may award a revised pension to under the Civil Service scheme or ,the the member of the force so retired, Constaibulary scheme. All members of and the revised pension sihall lbe cal the force who joined after the Civil culated ·by •the same method used in Service Act are ,pensioned under that determining ,the pension first award Act without election. The ,pensions to ed, lbut the calculation shall be made 1be derived under the two were almost as if durfng the relevant period such equal previous to this Act. Up to member of the force had received April 22nd 1952, where the pension the marriage and rent allorwances was calculated under the Consta1bulary HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1113 plan, only the salary of ,the constalble ment is to correct this anomaly. T,he was calculated, but under the Civil present Civil Service Act prohibits the Service Aot the salary and rent all0 the Government at the time of MR. BROWiNE : Mr. Chairman, I his appointment to make the would like to understand it, because I addition of the extra years a remember the disoussions we had a condition of that person's em while ago. ployment. MIR. HEFFERTON: The only pro In other rwords, yea,rs aif.ter the man vision, Mr. Chairrnan, is, in the present has been appointed the Governor in Act the additional time to be added Council can say : "rwe intend to give to pensionable service of the present this man credi,t .for so many yearn." office must ibe approved at their date of appointment. Now this amendment MR. CURT,IS: Actually om only prevents the additional time ibeing interest was •to have this A!ct passed as approved any time ~ulbsequent to their far as the Constalbulary was concerned, appointment. so if there is any clause not acceptalbTe we can withdrnw ,it. We do not want, M:R. BROWNE : 11n the case of a at this late stage, •to do anything un - professional man, where it is over - reasonable. If there is any controversy looked - is that the idea. The old we will wibhdraw it and !I would like provision only applied to persons over to maintain the Section dealing with forty years of age, which ,I think was the Constaobulary. a little unfair. Take a ,person 39 years otf age, he was disqualified. Now .Commit,tee of the Whole on Bi!!, I would like to know, how does it "An Act to Amend the Civil Service apply to Dr. Wilson, how old is he, Act." do you knorw? Clauses l through 4 canied. MR. HEFFERTON: J\lbout 45, I would say, Clause 5: MR. BROWNE : H it should ap - MR. BROWNE : Mr. Chairman, I ply to him ·I am satisfied. wonder 1f the Minister could tell me the effeot of that? MR. HBF•FERTON : Apparently MR. HEFFERTON: '1n Clause 5 some doubt a,rose as to this partioular the amendment is the addition of the 'Clause and so the amendment has been words "except a period of special leave pnt in lby the Attorney General. without pay not exceeding -thirty days MR. BROWNE : All right. in the aggregate." This is a contradic tion in the Act, and for some time On motion Clause 6 carried. they -were rwor.koing according to regu Clause 7: lations, and this is to bring it into conformity. MR. BROWNE : This includes the Clause 5 carried. Ranger Force, I take it? Clause 6: MR. CURT'IS: The Ranger Force was entirely taken over by the ROMIP. MR. BROWNE: Would the Minis ter explain that too? Clause 7 carried. Clause 8 car,ried. MR. HEFiFERTON : Mr. Chair rnause 9: man, if the Attorney General is agree alble, we could withdraw Section 6, if MR. BROWIN'E : Is this a new there is no objection to it. section? HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1115 MR. HEFFBRTON : That is the MR. HOLLETT: It is understood new section dealing with contra·ctual. a person engaged under this is not in the civiI service? MR, BROWNE : What is the point of this? We have had Bills here dealing MR. SMALL•WOOD : Not estalb with contractual people. I don't like lished nor pensionable. this, .Mr. Chairman, II would like to MR. CURTIS: It says the pro - have it explained. visions of this Act shall not apply. MR. HOLLETT : Mr. Ohairman, did the Lieutenant - Governor in Coun MR. HOLI.;ETT : iH could lbe, on cil always have tha,t right? How is it such terms and conditions as the !Lieu - poss•ible to hire such people as Vald tenant Governor in Council may con - manis and Planta? sider necessary. You can give him a pension and do anything you like to MR. HE'FFERTON : There was no create jealousy amongst the steady em - special provision in the Civil Service ployees of the civil service, if you do Act for the employment of people on too much of that. I quite see where a contractual !basis. This was ,to make on occasions you may ha·ve to make a provisions. contract with certain people, lbut I MR. CURTIIS: We have been do - agree with my honourable friend, it ing it all along, apparently ,without should not be under the Civ•il Service A·ot. authority. MR. BROWNE : This brings it un MR. SPENCER : 1111 the case of all der the Act, and •gives a pension? road employees for example. MR. HF;FFERTON: No it does not. MR. HOLLETT : Are ,they civil servants? MR. HOLLETT : ls dt not a fact you have 1been doing this very same MR. SPENCER : Not a:11. thing? You did it •with Valdmanis and Planta and other people. MR. CURTIS' : I don',t think i-t will hurt to do a•way wit'h it. I think MR. HEFFERTON: Sub - section we will delete it. 2 answers the question raised by my honourable and learned friend. MR. HEFFERTO;\/: 'lt is merely that in the opinion of the Attorney MR. BROW.NE : Still, Mr. Chair - General's Department it is a deficiency man, I ~hink this should not be in the in the Act ,which should be taken care Civ,il Service Act. This is a matter of of t•his way. special privileges ·to any particular individual. MR. CURT,IS: ,ve recommend it, but don't •want to push it. MR. CURTIS: Strike out the whole section, MR. HOLLETT : The only objec - MR, HEFFERTON : There are no -tion I raise is having it in ,the Civil end of people being engaged for a Service Act. I think the Lieutenant short time, and we don't want to put Governor in Council ,wants to ha·ve the them in the civil service, and of course, right to engage any persons they wish there may be many within the age under certain cond~tions, but not un limit too. der the Civil Service Act. 1116 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Motion that the clause lbe st-riken mates that do not have ,to \be voted, out, carried. and do not ·have to ·be included in the Appropriations Bill. T·he first is on On motion the Committee reported Current Account, Consolidated Service having passed the ,Bill with some Fund Serv,ices, $2,231,400 and the next amendment. Capital Account, Consolidated Fund On motion the Committee rose and Services $1,552,200, and third Financial reported progress. Surplus Account, the Consolida,ted Fund Service, $25,000, and Finance Mr. ,speaker returned to the Ohair. $15,200 ($40,200). With these deduc .MR. COURAGE : Mr. Speaker, ,the tions, I t·hink, the amounts will come Cx>mmit,tee of the 'Whole has consid · out exactly. ered the ma-tter to it referred and has MR. BROWNE: From what? passed the following Bill without amendment, "An Act to Amend the MR. SIMALL'WOOD : From the Con~ta,buJ.ary Act." total of the Appwpriations as shown in the estima,tes. The additions will On motion Bill ordered read a third give you this 'figure. time now. MR. HOLLETT: We had the same A Bill, "An Act to Amend ,the Con • question mised last year. stabulary Act," read a third time and ,passed and -title lbe as on the Order MR. SIMA,LDWOOD : Yes, and I Paper. think I had to telephone the Comp · troller of the Treasury last year, but MR. COURAGE : Mr. Speaker, the not at this hour. Committee of the Whole has consid • ered the matter to it refe-rred and •has MR. HOLLETT : IT hope your passed ~he Bill, "An Act Fur,ther to memory will look after you !better next Amend the Civil Service Act," with time. some amendment. MR. SIMAILLWOO'D: Does the On motion •Bill ordered read a third honouraible gentleman think there will time now. 1be a next time? A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Civil MR. HOLLETT : ,1 hope so . Service Act," read a third time and passed and ,title be as on the Order A Bill, "An Act For Granting to Her Paper. Majesty Certain ,Sums of Money for Defray•ing Certain Expenses of the MR. SMALLWOOD : Mr. Speaker, Public Service for the Financial Year in connection with ,the Appropriations Ending the Thfrty-First Day of March, Bill, the honouraible gentleman op • One Thousand Nine Hundred and posite raised some questions as to the Fifty-Six and for Other Punposes Re correctness of ·the tota-1. I find the labing ,to the Public Sernice." total is correct. 'I celephoned Mr. Marshall, the Deputy Mi-nister of Fin• On motion read a second time. ance, and got ·him out of bed, and the eXjplanation is that you do not vote On motion read a third time, or - the statutory amounts. Now there are dered passed and title lbe as on the three statutory amounts in the es-ti • Order Paper. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1117 MR. SMALLWOOD: Mr. Speaker, tomorrow, Monday, April 25th, at 3:00 in moving the adjournment of ,the of the clock. House I should like to say how g,rate - On motion the House then ad fu1 I am to the honoura:ble gentlemen journed until Monday, April 2!3tth, a:t opposite for their willingness and per - 3:00 of the clock. severance to this late hour so that we might complete the business of ~he House and ·the ,business of the session -tonight, rwithout ha·ving to hold WEDNESDAY, April 27, 1955 another session on Friday or Saturday, St. George's Day. Frankly ~ had There being a quorum present the thought we ,would go through all on House met at 3:00 of the clock in the Friday and Friday evening and possibly afternoon pursuant to adjournn,ent. finish up Friday night, but the House has agreed •to complete the business HON. E. S. SPENCER (1Minister of tonight, which enables us to get back Public Works) : Mr. Speaker, I beg to our offices tomorrow and carry on leave of Vhe House ,to rescind the our regular administrative and exe<:u - passing and tbird reading of the Bill, tive duties. "An Act to Amend the Loan and Guarantee Act, 19.54." I think, Mr. Spea-ker, that His I would like to point out to the Honour, the Lieutenant - Governor ha.~ House that I have sought and obtained 1been sick ,in bed. I don't know aot this the consent of the Honoura1ble Leader moment when ·he will ·be a!ble to come of the Opposition for this purpose. to the House to g.ive the Royal Assent to these Bills, and to prorogue •the MR. S>P.EAKER : Motion is that the House. But our hope is that he wiH passing and reading of ~he Bill, "An be aible to do so on Monday afternoon. Act to Amend the Loan and Guarantee Although I ,will be gone and 11 ~viii be Act" be rescinded. accompanied lby some of my colleagues, the other members of the House will Motion carried. undoulbtedly 1be able to t:arry on and MR. SPENCER: Mr. Speaker, l see that the House is prorogued would like to ma·ke the following properly. change. When t·his Loan and Guar - MiR. HOLi.JETT : Do you think we antee Act •was passed in the late even - will get a quorum? •ing of our session !1ere we were unfortunate in getting the ,wrong MR. SMA1LLWOOD : I would hope wording into one item, that of what that every member in the dty would was then classified as •the Corner Brook do the Lieutenant - Governor t·he cour - School Tax Aillthority. When later, tesy of being present. I would cer - after the closing of the session, we tainly be present if I were in the city. were advised 'by the Department of But my duty calls me elsewhere for a Education that this wording would while. J do hope every honourable have caused a little conflict inasmuch member of the House will be present as the Corner Brook School Tax Au - on Monday. thority did not and would not have authority to guarantee and raise loans So, Mr. Speaker, ,1 move that -the on the guarantee of the House. The House a,t its rising do adjourn until amendment necessary is merely in the 1118 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS wording, the figures are not changed. A Bill, " Am Act Respeoting Peripetui We now propose the last item on the •ties and Accumulations in Relation to BiH, "An Act to Amend the Loan and Certain Funds Established to Provide Gua,ra,ntee Act, 1954, to read: Corner Pensions or Other Benefits." Brook Amalgamated Regional High A Bill, "An Act to Amend ,the School Board and Roman Catholic Education (Teachers' Pension) Act." Sohoo•l Board of Greater Corner Brook area. A Bill, "An Act •Further to Amend t·he 'Newfoundland Teachers' Associa - Mr. Speaker, 1 move that amend - tion Act." ment. A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Motion, ~ha,t the ,words "Corner School Attendance Act." Brook Sohool Tax Authority" be de leted, carried. A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Pre - servation of Historic Objects." Motion, that the words "Corner Brook Amalgamated Regional High A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend School Board and Roman Catholic the Apprenticeship Act." Board of Greater Corner Brook Area." be there inserted, carried: A ,Bill, "An Act Further to Amend the Social Security Assessment Act." Motion, that this Ilill be now read a ohird time, carried : A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend •the Newfoundland Corporation In - On motion Bill read a third time, come Tax Act, 1949." ordered passed and tille be as read. A Bill, "An Aot Respecting the The Sergeant - at - Arms announced Coming into Force of the Civil Service that His Honour the Lieutenant - Gov - Commission Act, 1953." ernor had arrived. A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Fire His Honour the Lieutenant-Govern Prevention Act." or took the Chair. A Bill, "An Act to Provide for the MR. SPEAKER : May it please Protecl:Jion of Justices and Other Pub Your Honour, t•he General Assemlbiy of lic Authorities." the •Province has at its present session A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Wills passed certain Bills, to which, in the Act." name and on behalf of the General Assembly, I repectfully request Your A Bill, "An Act to Amend ~he Dis - Honour's assent. a/bled Persons Act, 1954." Whereupon the Clerk read the fol - A Bill, "1An Act Further to Amend ]o,wing Bills entitled : the Urban and Rural Planning Act, 1953." A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Fish - A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend eries Loan Act." the Interpretation Act." A Bill, "An Act to Amend -the •In• A 1Bill, "An Act to Amend the Edu - dustrial Development Loan Act." cation (Teachers' Training) Act." A BiU, "An Act to Amend the Co • A ,Bill, "An Act Respecting Bills of operative Development :Loan Act." Sales and Chattel Mortgages." HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1119 A Bill, "An Act Respecting the A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Fisheries Assistance Fund." the Judicature Act." A Bill, "An Act Further ,to Amend A ·Bill, "An Act •to .Amend the Stamp the Local Government Act." Act." A Bill, "·An Act ,to Amend the House A Bill, "An Act to Confirm to Bo - of Assembly Act." water's Ne A ,Bill, "An Act Respecting the A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Payment of Bounties on the Construc the Trustee Act." tion df Fishing Ships." A Bill, "An Act ,Further to Amend A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend the Slum Olearance Act." the Education Act." A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Dis - A Bill, "An Act :Respecting the ·Pro - trict Cour,ts Act." cessing of ·Pot·head and Minke Whales." A Bill, "An Act to Authorize the A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Lieutenant - Governor in Council to the Local Authority Guarantee Act, Enter into an Agreement with ,British 1952." Newfound-land Corporation Limjted A Bill, "An Act to Amend rhe Local and N. M. Rothschild & Sons Su,pp'le mental to Agreements Dated t'he Government (Elections) Act." T,wenty - First Day of May, 1953, and A Bill, "An Act to Establish the the Thoird •Day of July, 1954, Res,pec. City df Corner Brook and for Other tively." Purposes in Connection Therewith." A 1Bill, "An Act to Amend the Elec - A Bill, "An Act ,Further to Amend tion Act, '1954." the City of St. John's Act." A Bill, "An Act ,Futher to Amend A •Bill, "An Act •Further to Amend the Civil Service Act." the Boiler and 1Pressure Vessel Act." A Bill, "An Act Respecting uhe Pro - A ,Bill, "An Act ,to Amend the Con - vision of Building Standards." stabulary Act." A •Bill, "An Act Further to Amend A Bill, "An Act to Authorize the t'he Water and Sewerage Corporation Raising of a Sum of Money by Way of of Greater Corner Brook Act, 1951." Loan on the Credit of the 'Province." 1120 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS A B.iJI, "An Act Respecting Mortier Defraying Certain Expenses of the Bay Development Company Limited." Pu1blic Service for the Financial Year Ending ·the Thirty - First Day of A Bill, "An Act Futher to Amend March, One Thousand Nine Hundred the ,Pulblic Works Act." and Fifty · Six, and for Other Purposes A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Relating to the Public Service." Liife and Accident ,Insurance Agents HIIS HONOUR : In Her Majesty's (Li-cen~ing) A-ct. " name I thank her loyal sulbjects and A Bill "An Act Further to Amend assent to these Bills. the Highway Traffic Act." His Honour then read the Speech A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Con - from the T•hrone : strnction of a Railway from Wa,bush Lake." MR. SPEAKER AND MEMBERS O'F A Bill, "An Act Furtiher •to Amen Whereupon the Clerk read the fol - MR. SPEAKER AND MEM,BERS OF lawing Bil-ls : "I1HE. HONOURABLE HOUSE OF A·SSEMBLY: A Brn, "An Act for Grant-ing to Her The ample provision you have made Majesty Certain Sums of Money for for the pu,blic service ~viH enable my Defraying Certain Ex,penses of the Minister to pm:~ue the progressive Puiblic Service for the Financial Year measures already initiated by my Ended the Thil'ty • First Day of .March, Government in ~he fields of healllh, One Thousand Nine Hundred and pulblic welfare and education, iwhile Fifty - Four and the Financial Year the su1bstantial votes provided for F.nded •t.he Tlhil'ty-Ffrst Day of March, fis-heries, agriculture and economic One Thousand Nine Hundred and development rwill, it is hoped, increase Fifty· Five and for Other ·Purposes the earning power and independence Relat•ing -to the ,Public Service." of many of our people. T ·hese moneys A Bill, "An Act for Granting to Her will 1be di&bursed with the utmost Majesty Certain Sums of Money for regard for economy. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1121 A:s you rewrn to your ,privale avoca - 'MR. .9J>EAK.ER: lt is the wiH and Lion~ 1 extend lO you my best wishes pl<.-asure of H is H onour t~1e Lieu - for fhc success of your undertakings. tenant• Covcmor uhat this General Assembly be prorogu.ed until Weclncs• His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor day the eighth day of June nex-t, and left the Assembly Cham•ber. tl1is Assemtbly is prorogued acrordingly. Mr. Speaker reLurned 10 the Ohair. Journal and Proceedings of the Fifth Session Thirtieth General Assembly of Newfoundland ,BEGUN and holden at St. John's in tlhe Province of Newfoundland on Wednesday vhe 24th. day of March, Anno iDomini, Nineteen Hundred and Fifty - four in •the Third Year of the reign of Her Majesty our Sovereign Lady Eliz~th the Second,, by ,the Grace of God of -the Unitlld Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories, Queen, Head of the Commo111Wea.},th, Defender of the Faith. 1124 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS WEDNESDAY, March 24, 1955 me the privilege and honour of repre - senting you and all the rpeople of this His Honour the Lieutenant - Gov - Province in those mighty events. ernor having fixed the hour at which he proposed to open t•he present Ses - In conformity with my ·Government's sion of the Legislature at three of the policy of en.couraging the development clock in the afternoon on this Wednes - of the na-tural resources of the Prov - day, the 24th day of March, t'he mem - ,inces, and in keeping with my speech lbers df the House of Assembly met in to you of about a year ago, my Gov - the Assembly Chamber at three of the ernment have procured the appoint clock in the afternoon, when Mr. ment of a Royal Commission on Speaker took the Ohair. Agriculture. Distinguished men have accepted appointment to this Gommis · At three of the clock the Sergean~ - sion, and several ~pecialists in par - at - Arms announced that His Honour oicular aspects of agri'cu1ture have the Lieutenant - Governor had arrived. lbeen brought to Newfoundland to as - His Honour entered the Assembly sist the Commissioners. Mellllbers and Ghamlber preceded lby the Sergeant - officals of the Commission on Agri - culture have travelled widely through - at - Arms. out Newfoundland and have devoted Mr. Speaker left the Chair. themselves industriously to the task of inves-tigating all the problems of agri - His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor cullure in this Province. My Ministers took the Ohair. look forward eagerly to the receipt of His Honour was then ,pleased to the report and recommendations of the open the Session with a Speech from Commission, for -they ·hope that these the T 1hrone as follows : recommendations will form the 1basis of a firm and practical policy for the MR_ SP.EAKER AND MElMBERS OF more rapid upbuilding of agricuilture TI-IE HONOURA,BLE HOUSE OF in all its branches. ASSEMBLY: The Royal Commission on Fore&try has more recently been appointed, and Since you last met all the ,people of again my •Ministers have lbeen for - the Commonwealth and Empire have tunate in securing the services of men been deeply moved by •t·he crowning of who are noted for their experience and a new Monar.ch as Queen and Head of albHity in this field. My Ministers the Common~vealth. The accession of hope that from the report and recom • Her Majesty Queen 'Elizabeth the mendations oif the Royal Commission Second to the Throne constituted a on Forestry ohere will emerge a clear brilliant milestone in the magmificent and practical fores·try ,policy that t•hey story of the British race and its part - can follOIW with confidence and resolu . ners. The Coronation itself and the tion. many celejbrations that marked it drew to ·the centre of t•he Commonwealth My Government hold the view •t·hat and ·Empire tens of thousands of men these two Royal Commissions are and women lfrom aH parts of the globe amongst -the most important lbodies to share, as representatives of tens of ever brought into existence in New• miUions, in the historic crowning of foundl,and, and they are sparing no the Queen. iMy •Prime Minister and expense to ensure tha,t ex·haustive an~ my Minister of Education shared with thoroughly competent investigations HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1125 wi,11 result. Our forests already are the and the governing condit.ions are set means of providing a living for a large forth in the relevant Term. My Min - number of our people, and there is not isters realir.e the importance of this afone the problem of ascertamrng maHer, anti they are resolved to 1be whether larger numibers might be sup - prepared adequately to present New - ported by our forest wealbh but the founclland's case ,i.n the review. To even more important question of dis - this end they have invited severaI well - covering whether those who at present known citizens to accept membership live by the forests may continue to do in a special Commission that will so. Agriculture, i'll the widest possi1ble organize and supervise the preparation meaning of vhc word, and including of Newfoundland's case. I am sure not merely ground - crops and grasses, that you •have been favouralbly im - hut fruits, livestock, poultry, and fur - pressed by the willingness of such bearing animals, already provides a prominent citizens to accept member - living for a considera,ble number of ship in the special Commission. They people. My -Ministers :fervently hope will have the good wis·hes of ,a),} in that their belief that agriculture could rhis Provin<:e as they perform this support many times t,he present num - v,ital service in beha1f of Newfound - bcr ~viH cbe well borne out •by •the re - land. port a'lld recommendations of the Commission. Argiculture, forestry and You rwHI •be asked to consider a new fisheries (to which I shall refe.r at Election Act and a new Redistrihution greater length in a moment) together Act. support the great majority of our In the view of my Ministers the population. W·hile I •believe that all most important 1business to be laid will wekome other industries, and before you in this session is a Bill 'lO other sources of income for our people, authorize the creation of a F-isheries I believe also that there wil1I !be genera'] Development Authority. Almost one agreement that the long - run prosper - half of our people are more or less ity of Newfoundland depends mainly directly dependent upon t•he fisheries upon the continued expansion of •her for •their livelihood. Due to a num!ber fisheries, forest industries and argr,i - of causes the fisheries are languishing, culture. and the greatest single need in New - foum:lland's economy is some plan for I feel it unnecessary in view of the the rehabilitation of the ~ishermen. It great efforts \being made and the great was for this reason that my Ministers sums of money being expended to do urged upon the Government of Canada more than merely mention today the the wisdom of having !both Govern - significance of mines and mineral re - men ts join in the creation of a Fish - sources of .the ·Province. eries Development Commit,tee. T 1his It is a ma~ter of common knD'lvledge Committee, which worked for about that provision is made, in the Terms two years, produced one O'f the most of Union of Newfoundland witoh notalble economic documents, quite Canada, for the aippointment iby the possibly the most notabie, ever pro - Government of Canada of a Royal duced in Newfound.Ja.nd. The report Commission to review the effect of and recommendations of the Fisheries Confederation upon the finances of Development Committee constitut e a Newfoundland as a 1Province of Can - practical guide for ,the development of ada. The reasons for this provision, our fis·heries, and my Ministers •have 1126 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS adopted them for that purpose, It ,is intro·duced 'Mr. WiUiam J. Browne, -the view of my Ministers that many member for the District of St. John's mi'llions o[ dollars will have to lbe Vl'est, to ,Mr. Speaker, spent this year and next year and for Mr. B~ne -took his seat ,in ,the some years thereafter to carry out the House. recommendations of the ,Fisheries De · velopment Committee. Great skiLl and Hon. the At-torney General asked great care wilJ be needed in ~he super - leave to in,troduce a Bill entitled "An vision of this spending, and my Gov - Act to .Amend the Interpretation Act." e-rnment are ·convinced of the need for a board or ,body of men of first - class On motion of Hon, the Attorney experience and a!bility in this field. General ·the said Bill •was introduced They are confident t·hat in the mem - and read a first •time and it was or - hers ·of the recently created Fisheries dered .that Vhe saiid Bill 'be read a Development Au~hority they have men second time on tomorr~v. who rpossess these high qualifications. :Mr. Speaker announced that His The Fisheries Deve'1opment Authority Honour, the Lieutenant - Governor, will lbe charged with oontrol an A Bill, "An A·ct to Amend the Rent Mr. Morgan from -Point Leaming - Restrictions Aot." ton, Re Road, A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Wa,ter Mr. IHollett gave notice of Question, and Sewerage Corporation of Greater Corner Brook Act, !95L" Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. -the Minister of Fis·heries and Hon, the M,inister of Education gave Co - operatives, the Bill entitled "An notice that he ·would on tomorrow ask Act to Amend the Fisheries Loan Act" leave to introduce a Bill entitled "An ,was read a second time and it was o-r · Act 1Further to Amend the Education dered t•hat the said Bill lbe referred to Act." a Committee of the Whole House on Hon. the Minister of Mines and Re - tomorrow. sources gave notice that he would on Pursuant to order and on motion of tomorrow ask leave to introduce a Bill Hon. the Minister of 'Fisheries and Co - entitled "An Act to Amend the Unde operatives, the Bill entitled "An Act veloped Mi•neral Areas Act." to Amend the Co - operative Develop - Hon. the Minister of Public Welfare ment Loan Act" was read a second gave notice that he would on tomorrow time and it was ordered that the said ask leave to introduce the following Bill lbe referred ·to a Committee of the Bills: ,vhole House on tomorrow. A Bill, "A·n Act ·Furt•her to Amend The second reading of the Bil,] en - the Mothers' Allowance Act." tiV!ed "An Act Respecting the Fisheries Assistance Fund" was dcibated and on A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Cor • motion was adjourned for further de - rections Act, 1953." bate on tomorrow. Mr. Hollett gave notice of Questions. Pursuant to order and on motion of Mr. -Fogwioll gave notice of Questions. Hon. the Minister oaf Economic De - vclopmcnt, the Bill entitled "An Act lt ,was moved and seconded uhat Lo Amend the ,lndustnial Development when the House rises, it adjourn until Loan Act" was read a second time and Monday afternoon, March 29th., at it was ordered that the said Bill be three of the clock. referred to a Committee of .the Whole House on tomorrow. The House then adjourned accord · ingly. Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. the Attorney General, the Bill FR:IDAY, March 25th., 11955 entitled "An Act Respecting Pe11petu.i - The House met at three of the clock ties and Accumulations to Certain 1128 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Funds Established to Provide Pensions some progress, and asked -leave to sit or Other Benefits," was read a second again on tomorrow. time and it ,was ordered that the said Bill be referred to a Committee o-f the On motion this report was received Whole House on tomorrow. and adopted and it ,was ordered that the Commi,ttee have leave to sit again Pursuant to order and on motion of on tomorrow. Hon. the Minister of Provincial Af · fairs, -the Bill entitled "An Act Re· On motion ~he remaining orders of s,pecting the Conditional Sale of the Day were deferred. Goods," was read a second time and it It was moved and seconded that was ordered that the said Bill be re when the House rise,; it adjourn until) ferred 'lo a CommiHee of the Whole Monday afternoon. March 28th., al House on ;tomorrow. three of the clock. Pursuant to order and on motion of The House t•hen adjourned accord - Hon. the Minister of ,Provincial Af - ingly. fairs, the BiH entitled "An Act to Amend the W'ills Act," was read a MONDAY, Mauh 28th., 1955. second time and it was ordered that the ~ubject matter of -the said Bill be T'he House met at three of the clock referred to a Select Committee con in the afternoon pursuant t.o adjourn - sis·ting of such memibers of uhe House ment. as are members of t'he -legal profes A ,petition was presented by M-r. sion. H was ordered tha-t the Hon. the Drover from Raleigh, Re Hospital Minister of Provincial Affairs lbe Rates. chairman of said Select Committee. Hon. the Premier gave not.ice that Pursuant to order and on motion of he 'Would on tomorrow ask Iea·ve to Hon. the Minister of ProvinciaI Af - introduce a Bill entitled "An Act to fairs, the Bill en tided "An Act Re - Amend ~he House of Assern,bly Act." specting Bulk Sa~es" was read a second time and it was ordered that the sulb - Mr. Hollett gave notice of Question. ject matter of the said Bill be also re - £erred to the said Select Comm'ittee. The Address in Reply was debated. Pursuant to order and on motion of T./ie following amendment was Hon. t,he Attorney General, the House moved 'by Mr. Browne and seconded resolved itself into a Committee of the by Mr. Higgins: Whole to consider the Bill ent,itled That the fo1'1owing words be added "An Act Further to Amend the Sum to the Address in ·Reply : mary Jurisdiction Act." "We respectfully mbmit to Your Mr. Speaker left the Ohair. Honour that .in view of the conviction Mr. Courage took the Chair of Com • of the former Director General of mittee. Economic Development, Dr. Alfred A. Valdmanis on a charge of fradulently Mr. Speaker resumed 'the Chair. obtaining from the Newfoundland The Chairman from the Committee Government a large sum of money, reported ;that they •had considered the during the construc~ion of the cement matter to them referred, •had made plant, and in view of -the grave aHega - HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1129 tions of further and more far - reaching second time and it was ordered that fraudulent and dishonest misconduct the said Bill be referred to a Commit on the part of the promoters of several tee of the Whole House on tomorrow. of the new 'industries, and in view of Pursuant to order and on motion of the great financial loss Newfoundfand Hon. the MJnister of Finance the fol has sustained up to date and is likely lo,\,ing Bills were read a second time : to continue to sustain lby incompetent management and otherwise, it is a:b - A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Com solutely imperative, if t,he credit of ing into Force of the Civ.il Service Newfoundland is to be preserved, that Commission Act." a Royal Commission, presided over by a Judge of the Supreme Court of New - A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend found,land, should be immediately set the Newfoundla·nd Corporation Income up to make a thorough investigation Tax Act, 1949." into rhe methods used to estalblish the A BHI, "An Act Furt!her to Amend new industries, including the negotia - the Social Security Assessment Act." tion of contracts for ,bhe purchase of building sites, the purchase, importa - On motion •it was ordered that the tion, supply and evaluation of machin sa:Jd Bili be referred to a Committee ery, building materials, raw materials of the \Vhole House on tomorrow. and equipment needed for bhe erection Pursuant to order and on motion of and subsequent operation of -the plants Hon. the Minister of Labour, -the Bill and factories of the said industries, entitled "An Act FurtlJ.er to Amend and into the operation of the said the A1pprenticeship Act" was read a factories and plants and saile of their second time and it was ordered that products, and genera:Jly an examination the said BiU be referred to a Commit into the present financial structure of tee of the Whole House on •tomorrow. the said industries." Pursuant to order and on motion of The debate on the amendment to Hon. the Minister of Provfocial Affairs, the Address in Reply was adjourned bhe Bill entitled "An Act Respecting until tomorrow. Preservation of Historic Objects" was read a second time and it was ordered Pursuant to order and on motion of that the said Bill be referred to a Com Hon. the •Attorney General, the fol - mittee of t!he Whole House on to lowing Bills .were read a second time : morrow. A ,Bill, "An Aot ,to Provide for Pro Pursuant to order and on motion of tection of Justices and Other 'Pu'bHc Hon. the Minister of Edtuca,tion, the Author,ities." following Bills were read a second A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Fdre time: Prevention Aot." A Biill, "An Act to Amend ~he School On motion it was ordered that the Attendance Act." said Bills :be referred to a Committee A Bi-II, "An Act Further to Amend of bhe Whole House on tomorrow. the Newfoundland Teachers' Associa tion Act." Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. ,the Minister of Welfare, the BiU A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend erntitied "An Act to Amend the Dis the Education (Teachers' Pe.nsions) abled Persons Act 1954" was read a Act." 1130 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS On motion it was ordered that the Funds Established to Provide Pensions said Bills be refenred ,to a Committee or Other Bene£i,ts." o:f the Whole House on tomorro.w. Mr. Deputy Speaker left the Chair. Pu,rsuant to order and on motion of Mr. Morgan took bhe Chair of Com Hon. ,the Mirnister of Municipal Affairs mittee. and Supply the following Bills were read a second time : Mr. Deputy Speaker ;resumed the Chair. A BiU, "An Act Further ,to Amend the Local Government Act." The Chairman :from ,uhe CommiHee A B111, "An Act to Amend ,uhe Urban reported that ,they had considered the matters to them referred and had and Rural Planning Act." passed the said BilJls without amend On motion it was ordered that the ment. said BHls be referred to a Committee On motion ,this report was rernived of the Whole House on tomorrow. and -adopted, and ,i,t was ordered that Pursuant to notice and on motion of the said Bil1ls be read a third time on Hon. ,the Minister of Education, the tomonrow. Bill entitled "An Act to Amend Uhe Education (Teaohers' Training) Act" On motion the ,remaining Orders of was introduced and read a first time the Da,y were deferred. and it was ordered tha,t the said BiII Et was moved and seconded that be read a second time on tomor,row. when uhe House rises, ,it adjourn until Purnuant ,to notice and on motion of tomorrow afternoon, March 29th., a-t Hon. t,he Attorney General, the Bill three of the clock. entitled "An Act Fm,ther to Amend The House then adjourned accord the Interpretation Ac.t" was -introduced ingly. and read a first time and it was or dered that the said Bm be read a TUESDAY, March 29th., 195·5. second time on tomorrow. The House met at 3:00 of ,the clock Pursuant to O!'der and on motion of in the afternoon pursuant to adjourn Hon. the Premier, ,the House resolved ment. itself into a Committee of Uhe Whole to consider the following BH!s : Pet~tions were presented by : A BiH, "A,n Act Fui;ther to Amend Mr. Drover from Droverville, Re St. the S'ummary Jurisdiction Act." Anthony Hospital. A BiH, "An Act to Amend the Fish Mr. Courage from Pool's Cove, Re eries Loan Act." Road. A Bil[], "An Act to Amend -the Co Mr. He£fer-ton from Dunfield, Re operative Development Loan Act." Cottage Hospital. A Bill, "An Aot to Amend t,he In Hon. the Minister of Public Welfare dustrial Deve}opment Loan Act." tabled Annual report of the Depart A Bill, "An Act Respecting Perpetu ment o,f Public vVelfore for the year ities and Accumulations to Certain ended March &1st., 1954. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1131 Mr. Browne gave notice of Question. milled to the Lieutenant-Governor for his assent. Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. •Ohe Attorney General, the Bi'11I On motion it was ordered t:hat Ohe entitled "An Act FuPther to Amend previous order to 1·efer the Brn entitled t'he Summary Jurisdict-ion Act" was "An Act Respeoting the Condiotion,al read a thkd time and passed and it Sale of Goods" to a Committee of •the was ordered that the said BHI be Whole House be -rescinded and· that printed, being entit-Ie Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. the Minister of Public Welfare Hon the Miinis·ter of Economic De from the DistTict of Carbonea,r-B-a,y de velopment, Lhe Bill entitled "An Act Verde, Re Electricity Rates. to Amend the Industrial Development Mr. Button from ,the Dis-trict of Loan Act" was read a ,third -time and Trinity Sou,~h, Re Electridty Rates. passed and i,t was ordered that the said Bill be printed, being entitlJed as above, Hon. the Minister of Municipal Af and that it ·be submitted .to the Lieu fairs and Su,pply from Hillview, Re tenant-Gover-nor for his assent. Road. Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon the Minister of Mines and Re Hon. the Attorney Genera-I, the Bill sou.rces tabled a report on the WHdli,fe en~itled "An Act Respecting Penpetui of Newfoundland. ties and Accumula~ions ·to Certain Hon. ~he Minister of Puhlic Welfare Funds Es-tabHshed to Provide Pensions talYled "Annual Report of t,he Depart or Other Benefits" was read a third ment of Hea,J,t,h, 1953." time and passed and it was ordered that the sa-id Bill be printed, being Hon. the Minister of Provincial Af entitled as above, and Uhat is be sub- fairs, Chairman of the Select Commit- 1132 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS tee on Miscellaneous Bills, reported A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend tha-t the Committee had ,considered the Dhe Apprenticeship Act.." Bill entitled "An Act .to Amend the Wills Act" and recommended the said A Bil'l, "An Act Re&pecting Preserva Bill to the House without amendment. tion of Histo1,ic Objeots." On motion this report was received A Bill, "An Act to Amend the S'ohool and adopted ana it was orrlered that '\ttendance Act." ~he said Bill ·be refenred to a Commit A Bill, "A,n Act l•urther to Amend tee of the \,Vhole House on tomorrow. t•he Newfoundland Teachers' Associa Mr. Browne gave notice of Question. tion Act." Pursuant to notice and on motion of A RH!, "An Act Fu,r,ther to Amend Hon. the Premier, the Bill entitled the Education (Teachers' Pensions) Act." "An Act ,to Amend ,the House of As sembly Act" was introduced ,and read A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend a first time and .it was ordered that the Local Government Act." the said Bill be read a second time presently. A Bill, "An AcL to Amend the Urban and Rural Planning Act." On motion of Hon. the Premier and wit:h unanimous consent, the second Mr. Speaker left the Chair. reading of the BiH enti,tled "An Act Mr. Courage took ,the Chair o'f Com to Amend the House of Assembly Act" mittee. was debated and on motion ,was ad journed for further debate on tomor Mr. Speaker resumed ,the Chair. row. T.he Ohairman from the Committee Pursuant to order and on motion of repor,ted that they had considered the Hon. the Attorney General, the House matters to them referred and had resolved itse1f into a Committee of the passed the RiH entitled "An Act to Whole to consider the following Bills : Amend ,the Fire Prevention Act" with out amendment. A Bill, "An Act to Provide for Pro tection of Justices and Other Public On motion this repor,t was received AuDhorities." a·nd adopted a-nd it was ordered rhat the said Bill be read a third time on A Bil'l, "An Act to Amend the Fire tomorrow. Prevention Act." -11he Chairman from the Committee A Bill, "An Act ,to Amend •the Dis a,b]ed Persons Act, 1954," further repor,ted that ,they had consid ered the Bill entitled "An Act to A BiH, "An Act Respecting t·he Com Amend the Disabled Persons Act, 1954" ing 'Into Force of -the Civil Service and had passed the said BiH with some Commission Act, 1953." amendment. A Bil'l, "An Aot Further to Amend On motion this report was received the Newfoundland Corporation Income and ado:pted and ,i,t was ordered that Tax Act, 1949." the said Bill be read a t:hird t•ime on tomorrow. A B·ill, "An Act Further to Amend the Social Security Assessment Act." The Chairman from the Commi ttee HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1133 reported that they had considered t·he Works, Hon. Minister of Mines and other Bills to uhem ,referred, •had made Resources, Hon. M,i:nister of Education, some progress, and asked leave to sit Hon. Minister of Supply, Hon. Minis again on tomorrow. ter of Labour, Hon. Minister of Foish e1,ies a•nd Co-operatives, Hon. Ministe1 On motion this report was received of Provincial Affairs, Hon, P. J. Lewis, and adopted and it was ordered that Mr. Morgan, Mr. Button, Mr. Janes, the Commi,ttee have leave to sit again Mr. Nor,man, Mr. Brown, Mr. Mercer, on tomorrow. Mr. Canning., Mr. Courage, (20). The At six of the clock Mr. Speaker ad amendment was lost. journed the House unti.l tomorrow Tlhe debate on the address in reply afternoon, March 31st., at three of the was continued and on motion was ad clock. jou,rned for further debate on to morrow. THURSDAY, March 31st., 1955. At the ·hour of eleven of the clock, The House met at 3:00 of the clock Mr. Speaker adjoumed the House un• in the afternoon, pursuant to adjourn ti! tomorrow afternoon, Apri1I 1st., at ment. t•h ree of the clock. Hon. t-he M-inister of Mines and Re sources tabled "Annual Report of De FR'IDAY, April 1st., 1955. partment of Mines and Resources for T'he House met at three of the clock year ended Marnh 31st., 1954." in the afternoon, pursuant ,to adjourn Hon. the Minister of Public Welfare ment. tabled "Mothers' Allowance (Amend Pet1it•ions were presented b-y : ment) Regulations, 1954." Mr. Brown from Musgravetown and Hon. the MiniMer of Economic De Bloomfield, Re Roads. velopment tabled the "Ibec report re the economic possibiiJities for Paper Mr. Brown on behaH of Mr. S•peaker, Mills at Goose Bay and Baie D' Es from Bonne Bay, Re Snow Clearing. poir." Mr. Brown from FairhaYen, Re Mr. Browne gave no~ice of Question. Road. Hon. Minister of Education from Mr. HoJ.lett gave notice of Question. Spania-rds Hay, Re Road. The debate on the Amendment to Hon. the Minister of Public Welfare the Address in Reply was concluded. tab-led "Report to the House of As On t•he Amendment to the Address sembly for the Assis,ta,nce of Dental in RepJ.y •having been pu,t by Mr. Students a·nd the Expansion of Dental Speaker, the House divided and there Services." appeared in favour of ~he amendment: Hon. lhe Premier on beha,Jf of Hon. Hon. the Leader of trhe Opposition, Mr. rhe Minister of Fisheries and Co-opera Browne, Mr. Higgins, Mr. Fogwill, (4); tives, gave notice that he would on to and against it : Hon. ~he Premier, morrow ask leave to Jntroduce a Bill Hon. ,the Attorney General, Hon. Min entit~ed "An A-0t Respec~ing the Pay ister of Public Welfare, Hon Minister ment of Bounties on ~he Construction of Finance, Hon. Minister of Public of Fishing Ships." 1134 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Hon. the Premier, ·on bcl!alf of Hon. resolved i,tself foto a Committee of the the Minister of Finance, gave notice Whole to consider .the following Bills : that he -would on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a Bill entitled "An Act to A Bill, "An Act .to Pro\'ide for Pro Amend the Life and Accident Insur tection of Justices and Other Public Author-ities." ance Agents (Licensing) Act." Hon. the Minister of Municipal Af A Bi LI, "An Act Respecting the Com fairs and Supply, gave noti<:e that he ing into Force of the Civil Service would on tomorrow ask leave to in Commission Act, 1953." troduce a Bill entitled "An Aot Re A Bil-I, "An Act Further .to Amend specting -~he Pmvision of Building the Newfoundland Corpora,tion Income S.tandards." Tax Act, 1949." Hon. the Minister of Municipal Af A BiJll, "An Act Further to Amend fairs and Supply, gave notice that he the S'.ocial Secur-ity Assessment Act." would on ·tomorrow a&k leave to in troduce a Bi'll entitled "An Act .to A BiU, "An Act Further to Amend Amend the Local Government (Elec the Apprenticeship Act." tions) Act." A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Pn: Mr. Browne gave notice of Questions. servat,ion of Historic Objects." The debate on ,the Address in Reply A BiU, "An Act to Amend .the School was continued. A,ttendance Act." On motion the report of uhe Select A Bill, "An Act Fur,ther to Amend Committee, appointed to dra,ft a Rep-1,y the Newfoundland Teachers Associa to the Opening Speech of His Honour tion Act." the Lieutenant-Governor, was adopted. A BiH, "An Act Fm'ther to Amend Pursuant to order and on motion of tihe Education (Teachers' Pensions) Hon. the Attorney General, the Bill Act.' en.titled "An Act to Amend tihe F.ire A Bill, "An Act Fur-ther to Amend Prevent-ion Act" was ,read a -third time the Local Government Act." and passed and ,i,t was ordered tha,t the A Bill, "An Act ,to Amend the Urban said Bill be printed, being entitled as and Rura:l Planning Act." aibove, and that it be submitted to the Lieutenant-Governor for ·his assent. A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Wills Aot." Pursuant to order and on motion of M,r. Deputy Speaker left ,the Chair. Hon. the Minis,ter of Public Welfare, the Bill entitled "An Act to Amend Mr. Courage took the ChaiT of Com the Disabled Persons Act, 1954" was mittee. read a third time and passed a:nd it Mr. Deputy Speaker resumed t•he was ordered that the sa-id Bill be Ohair. printed, being entitled as above, and ~hat it be submitted to the Lieutenant Mr. Norman on behalf of the Ohair Governor ,for ·his assent. man of Committee, reported that they ·had considered the ma,t,ters to t'hem Pursua·nt to order and on motion of referred and !has ,passed the followi11g Hon. -the Attorney General, the House Bills without amendment: HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1135 A BiH, "An Act to Provide for Pro ported that they had considered ,Uhe tection of Justices and Other Public Bill erntitied "An Act Further to Authorities." Amend the Local Government Act," had made some progress, and asked A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Com leave to si,t again on tomorrow. ing inito Force of ,the Civil IService Commission Act, 1953." On morion this report was received and adopted and ,it was ordered that A Bill, "An Act Fur.rher to Amend •the Commit,tee -have leave to si,t again t•he Newfoundland Corporation Income on tomoi;row. Tax Act, 1949." At the ihour of eleven of ~he clock, A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Mr. Deputy Speaker adjourned the the Social Security Assessment Act." House until Monday afternoon, April A Bill, "An Act Further ,to Amend 4th., at three of the clock. the Apprenticeship Act." MONDAY, April 4th., 1955. A Bill, "An Act Respecting the P·re servation of Historic Objects." Tthe House met at three of the clock in the afternoon, pursuant to adjourn A BHI, "An Act to Amend r.he School ment. At.tendance Act." Petitions were presented by : A Bill, "An Act Fu1'ther to Amend the Newfound.land Teachers Associa Mr. Drover from Goose Cove, Re tion Act." Road. A B-i!ll, "An Act Further to Amend Hon. the Minis·ter of Mu:rnicipal Af- the Education (Teachers' •Pensions) .fairs and Supply from Trinity, Re Act." Cottage Hospital. A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Wills Mr. Coua-age from St. Albans, Re Act." Road. On motion rhis report was received Hon. ,the Minister of Finance ,tabled and adopted and it was ordered t,hat "Lieutenant-Governor's Warrants for the said Bills be read a third ,time on the Financial Year ended March 31st., tomorrow. 1955." Mr. Norman, on behalf of -the Chair Hon. the Minister of Labour tabled man of the Comm~ttee, further re the following repor,ts : ported that they had considered the Bill erntitled "An A<:t to Amend rhe "Fourth Annual Report of the Work Urban and Rural Planning Act" and men's Compensation Boa,rd of rhe had passed -the said Bm with some Province of Newfoundland, 1954." amendment. "Repovt on the Ma-tters Transacted On motion t,hfa report was received 'by the Minister of Labour during 1954, and adopted and it •was ordered -that under ,the Provisions of the Labour Re t:he said Bill be read a third time on lations Act." tomorrow. M,r. Norman, on beha-1.f of the Chair "Repor.t of Newfoundland Labour man of .the Committee, further re- Relations Board for the year 1954." 1136 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS "Report of the Proceedings of the above, and that it be submitted to the Minimum ,vage Board Established un Lieutenant-Governor for his assen,t. der ~he Minimum W•age Act, 1950, Pursuant to order and on motion of covering -Uhe year 1954," Hon. ~he Minister of Public Welfare, nhe B,j]J entitled "An Act Further to Hon. the M·infater of Public Welfare Amend the Social Security Assessment tabled "Dependents Allowance (Amend Act" was read a ~hird time and passed ment) Regulations, 1954." and i,t was ordered that the sai Hon. the Minister of Labour gave P•ursuant to order and on motion of notice that he would on ,tomorrow ask Hon. nhe Minister of Labour, the Bill leave ·to introduce a Bil'l entitled "An entitled "An Act Further to Amend Aot Further to Amend t,he Boi-ler and the Apprent•iceship Act" was read a Pressure Vessei Act." t,hird time and passed, and it was or dered that the sa•id Bill be printed, Hon. the Minister of Public V\1orks gave notice that he would on ,tomorrow bei,ng entitled as above, and t•hat it be as;k leave to introduce a Bill entitled submitted to the Lieutemmt"Governor for ,his assent. "An Act Further ,to Amend the High way Traffic Act." Purnuant to order and on motion of Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. t-he Minister of P-rovincial Affairs, the BiH en~itled "An Act Respecti·ng Hon. the AHorney General, the Bi1ll enti,tled "An Act to Provide for the Preserva,tion of His-toric Objeots" was Protection of Justices and Other Public read a -third time and passed and iL Authorities" was read a Vhi,rd ,time and was ordered t'ha.t t:he said BiII be passed and it was orderP.d .tha,t thf' sa,id printed, being entitled as above, and Bill be pdnted, being entitled as above, Lhat it be su!,mitted to ,the Lieutenant Governor for his assent. and that it be submitted to the Lieu tenant Governor for his assent. Pursuant -to order and on motion of Pursuant to order and on ,motion of Hon. the Minister of Education, t'he Hon rhe Minister of Finance, the Bill Bi!.! eruti,tled "An Act ,to Amend the entitled "An Act Respecting •~he Com School Attendance Act" was read a ing into Force of nhe Ci\'il Service third time and passed and it was or Co-:nmission Act, 1953" was ,read a dered that the said Bill be printed, third time and passed a·nd it was or being entitled as above, and that i,t be dered tha,t the said Bill be printed, submitted to the Lieutenant-Governor being entitled as above, and that it be for :his assent. submitted to the Lieutenant-Governor Pursuant ,to order and on motion of for his assent. Hon. the Minister of Education, t•he Pursuant to order and on motion of Bill entitled "An Act Further to Hon. the Minister of Finaruce, dhe Bill Amend t'he Newfoundland Teachers' entitled "An Act Furtiher to Amend Association Act" was Tead a ·third time the Newfoundland Corporation Income and passed and it was ordered tha.t the Tax Act, 1949' was read a rhird time said Bill be printed, 'being entitled as and passed and it was ordered that the above, and that it be SU'bmitted to the sa,id Bill be ,printed, being ent~uled as Lieutena:rut-Governor for his wsent. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1137 Pursuant to order and on motion of Standards" was inLrodu-ced ,and read a Hon. the Minister of Educa-tion, the first time and it was ordered that ,the BiH entitled "An Act Further to said BiH ibe read a second time on to Amend the Education (Teachers' Pen morrow. sions) Act" was read a third time and Pursuant 'lo notice and on motion of passed and it was o.rdered ,llhat the said Hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs Bill be printed, being entitled as above, and Supply, the Bill enti,tled "An Act and that it be submitted ,to the Lieu to Amend the Local Government (Elec tenant-Governor .fO'.r his assent. tions) Act" was introduced and read a Pursuant to order and on motion of first time ,and it was ordered tlhat t•he Hon. ,t;he Minister of Mun[cipal Affairs said Bill be read a second ,time on to and Supply, the Bill entitled "An Act morrow. to Amend the Urban and Rural Plan Pursuant -to order and on motion of ning Act" was read a third time and Hon. the Attorney General. the House passed and it was ordered llha,t the sa-id resolved itself i.nto a Committee of the Bill be printed, being entitled as above, Whole to consider the Bill entitled and' that it ibe submitted to the Lieu "An Act Further ,to Amend ,the Local tenant-Governor for his assent. Government Act." Pursuant to order and on motion of Mr. Speake,r left the Ohair. Hon. the Minister of Provincial Affairs, t•he Bill entitled "An Act to Amend Mr. Courage took t·he Ch,air of Com r:he WiNs Aot" was l'ead a third -time mittee. and passed and it was ordered that the said Bill be printed, being entitled as Mr. Speaker :resumed the Chair. above, and that it be submitted to the ~he Chairman from the Committee Lieutenant-Governor for his assent. reported that -they had considered the matter to them referred and had Pursuant ,to notice and on ,motion of passed the saiid BHl with some amend Hon. the Minister of Fi~heries and Co ment. operatives, ,the Bill entitled "An Act Respecting the Payment of Bounties on On motion this report was received the Construction of Fishing &hips" was and adopted and it was ordered that introduced ,and read a first time and it the said Bill be read a third time on was ordered that the said Bill be read tomo1,·ow. a second time on tomorrow. Pursuant ,to order and on motion of Pursuant to notice and on motion of Hon. the Min,ister of Fisheries and Co Hon. the Minister of Finance, ,the Bill operatives, the Bill entitled "An Act enti•tled "An Act to Amenrl t•he Life Respecting ,the Fisheries Ass.istan,ce and Accident Insurance Agents (Licen Fu-nd" was read a second time and it sing) Act" was introduced and read a was ordered ,tha,t ,the said Bill be re first time and it was ordered that t:he ferred to a Committee of the Whole sa,id Bill ,be read a second time on to House on tomorrow. morrow. Pursuant to order and on motion of Pursuant to notice and on motion of Hon. the Minister of Provincial Affairs, Hon. ohe Minister of Municipal Affairs the Bill entitled "An Act Respecting and Supply, the Bill en.titled "An Act Bills of Sale and Cha~tel Mortgages" Respecting the Provision of Bui-lding was read a second time and dt was or- 1138 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS dered that the said Bill be referred to passed the BiH entitled "An Act Re a Committee of the W'hole House on specting the Fisheries Assistance Fund" tomorrow. with some amendment. Pursuant to order and on motion of On motion ,this report was received Hon. t-he Minister of Educa-tion, ,the and adopted and it was ordered bhat Bill enititled "An Act to Amend the the said Bill be ·read a third time on Education (Teacher Training) Act" ,tomorrow. was read a second time •and: it was or The Chaitman from the Committee dered that the said Bill be referred to further reported that they had consid a Commi~tce of ,the Whole House on ered t:he other Bi'lls .to them referred, tomorrow. had made some progress, and asked Pursuant to order and on motion of leave to sit again on ,tomorrow. Hon. the At-torney General, the BiU On motion this report was received entifled "An Act Further to Amend and adopted and it was ordered that the Interpretation Act" was read a the Committee have leave to sit again second time and it was ordered that on tomorrow. the said BiH be referred to a Commit tee of the W'hole House on tomorrow. I,t was moved and seconded that ,V1hen t-he House rises, Jt adjourn until The second reading of the Bill en ti,tled "An Act to Amend ,t•he House of tomorrow afternoon, April 5th., at three of the olock. Assembly Act" was debated and on motion was adjourned for further de The House then adjoumed accord bate on tomorrow. ingly. On motion of Hon. t•he Premier and with unanimous consent, the House TUFBDAY, Apr~! 5th., 1955. resolved itseH into a Commi,ttee of the The House mflt at three of rhe clock Whole to consider ,the following BiHs: in the afternoon, pursuant to adjourn A BiJ,J, "An Act Respecting t:he Fis,h ment. eries Assistance Act." Mr. Speaker informed •the House A BiH, "An Act Re&pecning Bills of Lhat ;his Honour would be .pJea~ed to Sale and Chattel Mor,tgages." receive the Address Jn Reply presently. A ·Bi'11, "An Act to Amend the Edu• Accordingly Mr. Spea,ker and Mem cation (Teacher Training) Act." bers of the House ,proceeded to Gov ernment House and being retu.rned to A UHi, "An Act Further to Amend the Assembly Chamber, Mr. Speaker the Interpretation Act." informed the House -that His Honour ,bJad received t-he Address of Thanks Mr. Speaker left the Chair. and had lbeen ,pleased to reply thereto Mr. Courage took the Chanr of Com as follows: mittee. Mr. Speaker and Gentlemen of the Mr. Speaker -res,umed, the Ohair. Honourable House of Assembly: T•he Chairman from the Committee I thank you for .the Address in Reply reported ,that they had considered the to the speech with whidh your present matters to ~hem referred and had session was opened. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1139 Petitions were presented by: velopment gave notice that he would on ,tomorrow ask leave to introduce ,the Mr. Button from Hearts Delight, Re fol1Jowing Bills : Telephones. A Bill, "An Act Respecting Mortier Mr. Courage from Grole, Re Road. Bay Development Co. Limited." M;r, Canning from Marystown, Re A Bill, "An Act to Approve and give Causeway and Bridge. Statutory Effect to An Agreement Be Pursuant to order and on motion of tween the Government and the Union Hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs Electric Light and Power Company re- and Supply, uhe Bill entitled "An Act 1ating to a Franchise." Further •to Amend the Local Govern Hon. the Attorney Genera-I g,a.ve ment Act" was read a third time and notice that he would on tomorrow ask it was ordered that the said Bill be leave to introduce a BiH entitled "An prunted, being entitled as above, and Act to Amend the Distriot Courts Act." that ~t be submitted ,to the Lieutenant Governor for his assent. Hon. the Minister of Mines and Re sources gave -notice that he would on Pursuant to order and on motion of tomorrow ask leave .to introduce a B-ill Hon. rhe Minister of Fisheries and Co entitled "An Act ,to Give Sta,tutory Ef operatives, the Bill entitled "A,n Act fect to an Agreement Bet,ween the Respecting •the Fisheries Assistance Government and Frobisher Li1I1Jited." Fund" was -read a third time and passed and it was ordered tha,t the Mr. Browne gave notice of Question. said BiU be printed, >being entitled as above, and that it be submitted to the On motion .t'hat the Bill entitled "An Lieutenant-Governor for his assent. Act to Amend the House of Assembly Act" be now -read a second time, it was Pursuant to notice and on motion of moved in •amendment by Mr. Browne Hon. the Minister of Labour, the Bill and seconded by Mr. Higgins, that all entitled "An Act Further to Amend bhe the words after ~he word ",bhat" be Boiler and Pressure Vessel Act" was in stricken out and the following 11ub troduced and read ia .first time and it stituted the.refor: was ordered that the said BiU be read a second time on tomor,row. "'I'hat this BHl be not now read a second time but Lhat t:he subject mat Pursuant to notice and on motion of ter thereof be referred to a Seleot Hon. the Minister of Public Works, the Committee of the House with instruc Bill entitled "An Act Fur,ther to tions to prepare a plan of Redistribu Amend the Highway Traffic Act" was tion which would .provide more equi,t introduced and: read a .first •time and able representation, including the it was ordered that the said Bill be establishment of Districts returning read a second time on tomorrow. two or more members, if necessary." Hon. the Minister of Education gave notice that he would on ,tomorrow ask On the motion that the word "now" leave ,to introduce a B.iH entitled "An remain part of bhe Question t!he House Act to Amend the Local Sohool Tax divided -and there appeared in favour of the motion : Hon. the Premier, Act, 1954." Hon. the At!torney General. Hon. the Hon. the Minister of Eoonomic De- Minister of Labour, Hon. the Minister 1140 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS of Munidpa'l Affairs and Supply, Hon. the said Biills be referred to a Commit the M.inister of Public Works, Hon. the tee of the Whole House on tomorrow. Minister of Education, Hon. the Minis Hon the Attorney General gave ter of Finance, Hon. the Minister of notice that he would on tomor.ro·w ask Mines and Resources, Hon. Mr. Lewis, leave to introduce a Bill entitled "An Mr. Norman, Mr. Courage, Mr. Can Act Further to Amend the Registration ning, Mr. Janes, Mr. Button, Mr. of Deeds Act." Brown. (l!i); an Pursuant to order ,and on motion of Hon. the Minister of Mines and Re Hon. the Premier, ,the Bill entitled sources moved the adjournment of the "An Act to Amend the House of As House. On this motion the House sembly Act" was read a second time discussed t/he Report of the Royal and i,t was ordered that L·he said Bili Commission on Forest.ry. be referred to a Committee of bhe Whole House on tomorrow. At six of the clock, Sta:nding Order 7 having been suspended, the House, On motion ,t,he ·remaining Orders of on motion, recessed until nine of the the Day were deferred. clock. At the ·hour of eleven of the clock At nine of the clock MT. Speaker re Mr. Spea,ker adjourned the House un sumed the Chair. til tomorrow afternoon, April 6th., at three of the clock. The debate on the Report of the Royal Commission on Forestry was WEDNESDAY, April 6th. concluded. The House met at three of the clock Hon, the Minister of Mines and Re- in the afternoon, pursuant to adjoum- sources withdrew his motion to ad- ment. journ. Hon. the Premier made an an Pursuant to notice and on motion of nouncement, Re Re-opening of Tilt Hon. the Minister of Manes and Re Cove Mines. sou:rces, ,the Bill entitled "An Act to Hon. the Premier presented a peti Approve and Give Statutory Effect to tion from Quir,pon, Re Road. an Agreement between the Govern ment and Frobisher Limited" was in Hon. the Miondster of Provincial Af troduced and read a first time and it fairs, Ohafrman of the Select Commit was ordered that t!he said Bill be read tee on miscellaneous Bills reported •that a second time on tomorrow. they had considered the Bills entitled "An Act Respecting Consolidated Sa.Jes Pursuant to notice and on motion of of Goods" •and "An Act Respecting Hon. the Atlorney General, the Bill Bulk Sales" and recommended the said entitled "An Act to Amend the nis Bills to the House with some amend trict Courts Act" was introduced and ment. read a first time and it was ordered On motion the report was received that the said Bill be read a second time and adopted and it was ordered that on tomorrow. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1141 Pursuant to notice and on motion of On motion bhis report was received Hon. lhe Minister of Education, the and adopted and it was ordered that Bill entitled "An Act to Amend the the s-a•id Bills be read a third ttme on Local School Tax Act, 1954," was in tomorrow. troduced and read a first time and it The second reading of ,the Bill en was ordered that the said Bill be read titled "An Act Respecting the Provision a second time on tomorrow. of Building Standards" was debated Pursuant to notice and on motion of and on motiom was adjourned for Hon. the Min.ister of Economic De further debate on ·tomorrow. velopment, bhe Bill entitled "An Act The second reading of the Bill en Respecting Mortier Bay Development ti.tled "An Act to Amend the Life and Company Limited" was introduced and Accident Insurance Agents (Licensing) read a first time and it was ordered Act" was debated and on motion was that the said Bill be read a second time adjourned for further debate on to on tomorrow. motrow. Pursuant to notice and on motion of The second reading of the Bit! en Hon. the Minister of Economic De titled "An Act to Amend vhe Local vclo,pment, the Bill entitied "An Act Government (Elections) Act" was de to Approve and Give Statutory E.ffect bated and on motion was adjourned between the Government and the for funher debate on tomorrow. Union Electric Light and Power Com pany Limited Relat-ing to a Franchise" The second readi·ng of the Bill en was introduced and read a first time titled "An Act F·urbher to Amend the and it was ordered tha.t the said Bill Highwa,y Traffic Act" was debated: and be read a second time on tomorrow. on motion was adjourned £or further debate on ,tomorrow. Pursuant to order and on ,motion of Hon. the Attorney Genera-I, the House On motion the remaining Orders of resolved itself into a Committee of the the Day were deferred. 'Whole to consider t•he following Bills : At the :hour of eleven of the clock A Bill, "An Act Respecting Bills of Mr. Speaker adjourned the House un Sale and Chatt.el Mortgages." til Tuesday afternoon, April 12th., at A B-ill, "An Act to Amend the Edu three of the clock. cation (Teacher Training) Act." A Bill, "An Act Furbher .to Amend TUESDAY, April 12th., 1955. the Interpretaition Act." The House met at 3:00 of the clnck Mr. Speaker left the Chair. in the aftennoon, pursuant to adjourn Mr. Courage took the Chair of Com ment. mittee. Hon. the Attorney General made a Mr. Speaker resumed t:he Chair. staJtement, Re Bowater Power Company T,he Chairman from the Committee Limited. repor,tcd that they 'had considered: t•he Pe~itions were presented by: matters ,to them referred and had passed the said Bills without amend Mr. Drover from Englee, Roddickton ment. and Main Brook, Re Road. 1142 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Mr. Norman on behalf of Mr. Speak Mr. Browne gave notice of Question. er from Trout River, Re S'now Clear Mr. Hollett gave .notice of Question. ance. Pun;uant -to order and on motion of Mr. Norman from Burnt Islands, Re Hon. the Minister of Provincia:J Affairs, Road. vhe Bil'! entitled "An Act Res.peeling Hem. the Premier, on behalf of Hon. Hills of Sales and ChaJttel Mortgages" the Minister of Finance, gave notice was read a third time and passed and that he wou1d on. tomorrow move .the it •was orderedl that the said Bill be House into Commiotee of Supply. printed, being entitled as acbove, and that it be submitted to the Lieutenanit Hon. the Minister of Mines and Re Governo.r ,for •his assent. souTces gave notice tha.t he would on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a Bill Pursuant to order and on motion of entitled "An Act to Al)prove and give Hon. tlle Minister of Education, the Statutory Effeot to an Agreement Be Bill enti,tled "An Act to Amend the tween the Government and Mr. James Education (Teacher Training) Act" Boylen." was read a ohird time and passed and it was ordered th-at the said Bill be Hon. t·he Minister of Public Works printed, being entitled as above, and gave notice that he -would on tomor that it be submitted ,to the Lieutenant row ask leave -to introduce a Bill en Governor for his assent. titled "An Act Funther to Amend the Public Works Act." Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. the M,i-nister of Municipal Af Hon. the Attorney General, the BHI fairs and Supply gave noti.ce ohat he entitled "An Aot Fur,ther to Amend would on tomorrow ask leave to in the Interpreta~ion Act" wa'S read a troduce the following Bills : t'hird time and passed and it was or dered that .the said Bill be printed, A Bill, "An Act to Amend On motion this repor,t was received reported •that they had considered the and adopted and it was ordered that mabter to them referred, '. had made the Commjttee have leave to sit again some progress, and asked lea·ve to sit presently. again on tomorrow. Pursuant to notice and on motion of On motion this report was ·received Hon. tlhe Attorney General, the Bill and adopted aaid it was ordered that ent~tled "An Act Further to Amend ~he Committee :have leave to sit again the Re.gistration of Deeds Act" was in on tomorrow. troduced and read a first time and it On motion it was ordered tlhat the was ordered that the said Bill be read rema.ining Orders of the Day be de a second ,time on tomorrow. ferred. P,ursuant to order and on motion of It was moved and seconded that Hon. •t•he Premier, the House resolved when the House ,r.ises, it adjourn untH itself into a Committee of the Whole tomorrow afternoon, April 13-th., at to consider the Bill entitled "An Act three of the clock. to Amend the House of Assembly Act." Mr. Speaker left the Ohair. The House then adjourned accord ingly. Mr. Courage took the Chair of Com m iittee. WEDNESDAY, April 13th, 1955. Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair. "Jlhe House met at ,ohree of the clock The Chairman from ~he Committee in the afternoon, pursuant to adjourn reported that they had considered ~he ment. matter to t'hem referred, had made some progress, and asked leave to sit Petitions were presented 'by: a.gain presently. Mr. Courage from Ha·rbour Breton, On motion this report was received Re Road. and adopted and it was ordered that Hon. the Minister of Pubiic Welfare ~he Committee ha.ve leave to sit again from ·Grates Cove, Re Road. presently. Mr. Courage presented a petition On motion !it was ordered !'hat the from ,the Architects of the Province House do not adjou11n at eleven of the asking for incorporation. clock. On motion it was ordered that the Pursuant to order and on motion of petition be referred to t·he Committee Hon. ~he Premier, t'he House resolved on Standing Orders. itself into a Committee of the Whole to consider the Bill entitled "An Act Hon. the Minister of Public Welfare to Amend •the House of Assembly Act." tabled "Memorandum of Agreement Respecting Disabled Persons Allow Mir. Speaker left Uhe Chair. ances." Mr. Courage took the Chair of Com Hon. the Attorney Genera-I gave mittee. notice that 1he would on tomorrow ask Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair. leave to introduce a Bill entitled "An Act Further to Amend the TI1ustee l'he Chairman from the Committee Act." 1144 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Hon. the Minister of Municipa•l Af Lime a,nd it was ordered that the saiid fairs and Supply gave notice that he Bill be read a second time on to· would on tomorrow ask leave to in morrow. troduce a Bill entitled "An Act Further Pursuant to notice and on motion of to Amend the City of St. John's Act." Hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs PuTSuant to order and an motion of and S'upply, the BiH entitled "An Act Hon. the Premier, the House resolved to Establish the City of Corner Brook i-tseJ.f into a Committee of the Whole and for Other Purposes in Connect-ion to cons,ider t'he Bill entitled "An Act T·herewit•h" was introduced and read a to Amend the House of Assembly Act." fiirst time and it was ordered that the said B-ill he read a second time on to Mr. Speaker left the Chair. morrow. Mr. Courage took t:he Chair of Com Pursuant to notice and on motion of mittee. Hon. the Attorney General, the Bill entitled "An Act to Confirm to Bo Mir. Speaker resumed the Chair. water's Newfoundland Pulp and Paper The Chairman from t·he Committee Mills Limited Certain Rights and reported that t'hey had considered rhe Powers" was •Lntroduced and read a matter ,to them referred and had first time and it was ordered that the passed the said Bill wi~h some amend said Bill be read a second time on to ment. n1oiTo,v. Pm·suant to order and on motion of On motion b.h.is report was received Hon. ~he Minister of Municipal Affairs and adopted and it was ordered that and Supply, the BiH entitled "An Act the said Bill be read a third time on Respecting the Provision of Building tomorrow. Standards" was read a second time and Pursuant to notice amd on motion of it was ordered that the said Bill be "Hon. the Minister of Mines and Re referred to a Committee of the Whole sources, t'he Bill entitled "An Act to House on ,tomorrow. Approve and give Statutory Effect to Pursuant to order :md on motion of An Agreement Between the Govern Hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs ment and Mr. James Boylen" was in and Supply, the Bill entitled "An Act •troduced and read a first time and it to Amend Vhe Local Governme-n,t (Elec was ordered that t•he said Bill be read tions) Act" was 4'ead a second time and a second ti-me on tomorrow. it was ordered t'ha,t the sa,id Bill be Pursuant to notice and on motion of referred to a Committee of tihe Whole Hon. ,tlhe Minister of Pu,bHc Works., House on tomorrow. the Bill entitled "An Act Further to Pursuant to order a1nd on motion of Amend the PubLic Works Act" was in Hon. the l\fonister of Labour, the Bill troduced and read a first ,time and it entitled "An Act Further ,to Amend the was ordered that t•he said Bill be read Boiler and Pressure Vessel Act" was a second time on tomoH0W. read a second time and it was ordered that ,the sa·id Bill be referred to a Pursua,n,t to notice and on motion of Committee of the Whole House on to Hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs morrow. and Su1piply, the Bill entitled "An Act Further to Amend the Slum Clea.ranee Pursuant to order and on motion of Act" was introduced and read a first Hon. the Mun,ister of Public Works, the HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1145 Bill entitled "An Act Further to THURSDAY, April 14th., 1955. Ame,nd t·he Highway Traffic Act" was read a second time and it was ordered The House met at tlhree of the clock that Lhe said Bill be referred to a in the af.ternoon, pursuant to adjourn- Committee of the Whole House on to- ment. morrow. Pet,itions were presented by: Pursuant to order and on motion of Mr. Drover from LaScie, Re Hospita-1 Hon. the Minjster of Mines and Re s·ervices. sources, the Bill entitled "An Act to Approve and Give Statutory Effect to Hon. the Minister of Education from an Agreement Between t'he Govern Bristol's Hope. Re Roads. ment and Frobisher Limited" was read Mr. Cou.nage from Little Bay East, a second time and it -was ordered that Re Road. the said Bill •be referred to a Commit tee of Dhe \Vihole House on tomorrow. Hon. the Minister of Educa,tion tabled "Annual Report of the Depart Pursuant to order and on motion of ment of Education." Hon. Minister of Education, the Bill entitled "An Act to Amend t-he Local Hon. the Mini~ter of Mines and Re School Tax Act, 1954" was read a sources tabled "Report of the Royal second time and it was ordered that Commission on Agriculture." the said Bill be referred to a Commi,t Hon. the Premier, on behalf of Hon. tee of the Whole House on tomorrow. the Minister of Finance gave notice that he would leave presently to in Pursuant to m'Cler and on mo~ion of ·tmduce a Bill entitled "An Act Further Hon. the Attorney General, the Bill to Amend the Civi-1 Service Act." entitled "An Act Further to Amend the Registration of Deeds Act" was Hon. the Minister of Economic De read a second time and it was ordered velopment gave notice that ,he would t,ha-t the said Bill be referred to a ask leave .presently to .introduce the Committee of the Whole House on to foNowing Bills : morrow. A Bill, "An Act Respecting t'he Con The second reading of uhe Bill en struction of a RaiJ,way to Wabusih Lake." titled "An Act to Amend the District Courts Act" was debated and on A Bill, "An Act to Autharize the motion was a,djourned for further de Lieutenant-Governor in Council -to bate on tomorrow. Enter -into a.n Agreement with British Ne11ifoundland Corporation Limited On motion the remaining Orders of and N. M. Rothschild and Sons Sup the Day were deferred. plemental ,to an Agreement Dated the It was moved and seconded that Twenty-First Day of May 1953." when the House rises it adjourn until Hon. t•he Attorney General gave tomorrow afternoon, April 14th., at notice that 'he would ask leave present three of the clock. ly to .introduce rhe following Bills: 'I'he House then adjourned accord A Bill, "An Act -to Amend the Stamp ingly. Act." 1146 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend On motion of Hon. the Minister of t'he Judicature Act." Economic Development, and with un animous consent, the Bill entitled "An A Bill, "An Act to Amend t:he Con Act to Authorize the Lieuterrant-Gov st:3Jbuiary Act." ernor in Counci[ to Enter into an Hon. bhe Minister of Provincial Af Agreement .wi,th British Newfoundland fairs gave ,notice that he would ask Co11poration Limited and N. M. Roths leave presently to ,introduce a Bill en child a,nd Sons Supplemental to an titled "An Act to Amend the Election Agreement Dated the Twenty-first day Act, 1954." of May, 1953" ,was introduced and read a first time and it was ordered that the Hon. the Minister of Education gave said Bill be read a second time on to notice tha,t he would ask leave present morrow. ly to introduce a Bill entitled "An Act Further to Amend the Education Act." On motion of Hon. the Attorney Geneml, and with unanimous consent, Hon. the Minister of Mines and Re the Bill entitled "An Act to Amend sources gave notice that he would ask the Stan~p A•ct" was ,introduced and le~.ve presently to introduce a Hill en read a first time and it was ordered titled "An Act Respet;ting Vhe Process ,hat the said Bill be ,read a second ing of Pothead and Minke Whales." time on tomorrow. Hon. the Minister of Municipal Af On motion of Hon. the Attorney fairs and Supply gave notice that ihe General, and wibh unanimous consent, would ask 'leave ,presently to introduce the Bill entitled "An Act Further to the follow,ing Bills : Amend the Judicature Act" was in troduced and read a first time and it A Bill, "An Act Further ,to Amend \\las ordered thiat the said Bill be read the Local Authority Guarantee Act, a second time on ,tomorrow. 1952." On mobion of Hon. the Attorney A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Water General, and with unanimous consent, and Sewerage Corporation of Greater the Bill entitled "An Act to Amend Corner Brook." the Constabulary Act" was introduced and iread a first ,time and it was or On motion of Hon. the Premier, and dered that the said Bill .be read a with unanimous consent, the Bill en second time on tomorrow. titled "An Act Further to Amend the Civil Sen,ice Act" was introduced and On motion of Hon. Vhe Minister of read a mrst time and it was ordered Provincial Affairs, and with unanimous that the said Bill be read a second time consent, ~he Bill entined "An Act to on tomorrow. Amend the Eleotion Act, 1954" was introduced and read a lfirst time and it On Motion of Hon. the Minister of was ordered that ~he said BHI be read Economic Development, and with un a second time on tomorrow. animous consent, the Bill entitled "An Act Respecting the Construction of a On motion of Hon. the Minister of Railway to W 1abush Lake" was intro Education, and with unanimous con duced and read a first time and it was sent, the Bill entitled "An Act Further ordered that the s.1id BiU be read a to Amend the Education Act" was in second time on tomorrow. troduced and Tead ,a first time and it HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1147 was ordered that the said Bill be read 1·ead a second time and Jt was ordered a second time 011 tomorrow. that the said Bill be referred to a Committee of the Wlhole House on On motion of Hon. the Minister of tomorrow. M·ines and Resources, and with unan· imous consent, the Bill entitled "An Pursuant to order and on motion of Act Re~pecting the Processing of Pot Hon. the Premier, the Bill entitled head and Mi,nke W'hales" was intro "An A<:t to Amend the Life and Acci duced and read a first time and it was dent Insurance Agents (Lisensin,g) Act" ordered that the said Bill be •read a was read a second time and it was second time on tomorrow. ordered that the wid B·ill be referred On motion of Hon. the Minister of to a Committee of the Whole House Municipal A6fafrs and Supply, and on tomorrow. with unanimous consent, the BiU en Pursuant to order and on motion of titled "An Act Furrther to Amend the Hon. the Attorney General, the BiH Local Auuhority Guarantee Act, 1952" enbitled "An Act ,to Amend the Dis was introduced and read a £inst time tricts Courts Act" was read a second and it was ordered that the said BiH time and it was ordered that the said be read a second time on tomorrow. Bill be referred to a Committee of the On mo~ion of Hon. the Minister of Whole House on tomorrow. Municipal Affairs and Supply, and Pursuant to order a·nd on motion of and with unanimous consent, the Bi'H Hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs entitled "An Act to Amend the Water and Su,pply, the BilJ entitled "An Act and Sewerage Conpora.tion of Greater Further to Amend t'he Slum Clearance Corner Brook" was introduced and Act" was read a second time and it read a first time and it was ordered was ordered that the said Bill be re that the said Bill be read a second ferred to a Commiittee of the Whole ti,me on tomorrow. House on tomorrow. pursuant to notice and on motion of Hon. the Attorney General, the Bill The second reading of the Bill en• entitled "An Act Further to Amend tit-led "An Act Respecting the Mortier the Trustees Act" was introduced and Bay Development Company Limited" read ·a first time and it was ordered was debated and on motion was ad that the said Bill be read a second journed for ,further debate on to time on tomorrow. morrow. Pursuant to notice and on motion of The second reading of the BiJ.l en Hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs titled "An Act to Approve and Give and SuppJ,y, the Bi.JI entitled "An Act Statutory Effect to An Agreement Be Further to Amend the City of St. tween the Government and the Unicn John's Act" was introduced and read Electric Light and Power Company a fiirst time and it was ordered that Limited Rela•ting to a Franc.'i!ise" was the said Bill be read a second time on debated and on motion was adjourned tomorrow. for -fu,rther debate on tomorrow. Pursuant to otde.r and on motion of The second reading of the Bill en Hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Co titled "An Act to Confirm to Bowater's operatives, -the Bill en titled "An Act Newfoundland Pulp and Paper Mills Respecting the Pa-yment of Bounties on Limited Certain Rights and Powers" the Construrtion of Fishing Ships" was was debated and on motion was ad- 1148 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS journed for further debate on to- A Bill, "An A,ot Respecting Bulk 1norro1".'. Sales." On the motion that the Bill entitled A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Pro "An Act to Amend th•e House of As vision of Building Standards." sembly Act" be now reacd a third t,ime, It was moved in amendment by Mr. A Bi11, "An Act to Amend the Local Brc-wne, oeconded by Mr. Higgins, that Government (Elections) Act." all words after the wo-rd "t,hat" be A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend stricken out and the foHowing be sub the Boiler and Pressure Vessel Act." stituted Lher-efor: A Bill, "An Act Further ,to Amend That this Bill be not now read a the Highway Tra£1iic Act." third time but that it be read a third tim~ six months hence. A Bill, "An Act to Approve and Give Statutory Effect to An Agreement Mr. Speaker put L'he motion that the Rel:ween the Grwern.ment and Frohi,~h original words remain part of the er Limit-ed." Quesl,ion. The Home divided. There appeared in favour of the motion : A B.ill, "An Act to Amend the Local Hon. the Premier, Hon. Dhe Atrnrney S'chool Tax Act, 1954." General, Ha.n. Minister a.f Provincial A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Affairs, Hon. Minister of Public Works, the Registration of Deeds Act." Hon. Minister of Labour, Hon. Minis ter of Fisheries and Co-operatives, Hon. Mr. Speaker left the Chair. Minister of Municipal Affairs and Mr. Courage took t·he Ohair of Com S-upply, Hon. Minister of Public Wel mittee. fare, Hon. Minister -nf Min-es and Re sources, Hon. Minister of Ellucation, Mr. Sp 0eaker resumed the Ohair. Mr. Morgan, Mr. Courage, Mr. Brown, The Chairman from the Committee Mr. Norman, Mr. Janes, Mr. Button, reported that they had considered the (16); and against it: Hon. the Leader matters to them referred and had of the Opposition, Mr. Browne, Mr. passed the Bill entitled "An Act to Higgins, (3). The Amendment was lost. Amend the Local Government (Eiec Pursuant to order and on ma.tion of bions) Act" with some amendment. Hon. the Premier, the Biill e.ntitled On motion this report wll!I received "An Act to Amend the House of As and adopted and it was ordered that sembly Act" was read a third time and the said B.ills be mad a third time on passed and it was ordered that the said tomorrow. Bill be print-Bel, being entiDl-ed as above, and that it be submitted to the Lieu The Ohairm:an from the Cr;nnmittee tenant-Governur for his assent. foi:ther 1°erported thaJt they had consid ered the other Bills to t'hem referred, Pursuant to order and on motion of had made some progress, and asked Hon. ~he Premier, the House resolved leave to sit again on tomorrow. it~df into a Committee o.f the Whole to rnmider the following Bills : On motion this report was received and adopted and it was 0J1dered that A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Con the Co•rnmittee have leave to sit again ditional Sale of Goods," on tolnorrow. .. . HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1149 On motion the remaining Orders of The ckbate on the Repnrt of the tlhe Day were def,erred. Royal Commission on Agriculture was concluded. At eleven of the clock Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow Hon. the Pnimier withdrew hi,5 a;fternoon, April 15th., at t,hree of the motion to adjourn. clock. Purrnant to order and on motion of Hon. t Hon. the Premier moved the ad The House then adjourned acwrcl journment of the Hous-:!. On this ingly. motion the House discussed t/he Report of the Roy.al Commission on Agricul MONDAY, April 18th., 1955. ture. The House met at eleven of ~he At six of the clock the House, on clock in the forenoon, pursuant to ad motion, recessed until eight thirty of journment. tihe dock. Petitions were presented by: At eight ,thirty of the clock Mr. Mr. Janes from Ladle Cove, Re Speaker resumed the Chair. Road. 1150 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Hon. the l\Iinister of Labour from The Chairman from the Committee Petries' Cro3sing, Re Road. repmtc Mr. Speaker left •the Ohair. Pursuant to order and on motion of Mr. Courage took the Ohai:r. Hon. the Attorney General, the Bill entitled "An Act to Confirm to Bo Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair. water's Newfoundland Pulp and Paper The Chairman from bhe Committee Mills Limited Certain Rights an : 1152 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Powers" was read a second time and to Authorize the Lieutenant-Governor it was ordered -that the said Bill be in Council to Enter into an Agreement referred to a Commi'ltee of the Whole wilh the British Newfoundland Cor House on to-morrow. poration Limited and N. M. Rothschild & S'ons Supplemental to Agreements Pursuant to order and on motion of Dated the Twenty-First Day of May. Hon. the Minister of Provincial Affairs, 1933, and the Third Day of July, 1954, the Bill entitled "An Act to Amend the Re,pectively" was read a second time Election Act" was read a second time and it was ordered that the said Bill and it was ordered ,tha·t the said Bill be referred to a Committee of the be referred to a Committee of the ,vho!e House on tomo-rrow. ,,vhole House on tomorrow. Pur,suant to order and on motion of Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. the At-torney General, the Bill Hon. the Minister of Education, the entitled "An Act to Amend the Stamp Bill entitled "An Act Further to Act" was read -a second time and it Amend Vhe Education Act'" was read a was ord-~red that the said Bill be re second time and it was ordered that ferred to a Committee of -the ',V'hole the said Bill be referred to ,a Commit House on tomorrow. lee of the ,,vhole House on Lomonow. Pursuant to o,rder and on motion of Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. the Attorney General, the Bill Hon. the Minister of Mines and Re entitled "An Act Further to Amend sources, the Bill entitled "An Act Re the Judicature Act" was read a second ~p-'.]cting Lhe Processing of Pothead and time and it was ordered that the said Minke ·whales" was read a second time Bill be referred to a CommiHee of the and it was ordered that the said Bill ,vhole House on tomorrow. be referred •to a Committee of the Whole Hous-e on tomo11row. Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. the Minister of Public Works, Pmsuant to order and on motion of the Bill entitled "An Act Further to Hun. Lhe Minist-er of Municipal Affairs Amend t,he Public Works Act" was and Supply, the Bill entitled "An Act read a second time and it was ordered Further to kmend the ,vater and that the said Bill be referred to a Sewerage Corporation of Greater Cor Committee of the Whole House on ner Brook Act, 1951" was read a second tomorrow. time and it was ordered that -the said Bill be referred to a Committee of the At eleven of the dock Mr. Speaker ',Vho.Je House on tomorrow. adjourned the House until tomorrow morning, April 9th., at eleven of t'he Pursuant to order and on motion of clock. · Hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Suprply, the Bill entitled "An Act TUESDAY, April 19th., 1955. Furl:hei- to Amend the Local Authority Guarantee Act, 1952" was read a second The House met at eleven of the clock time and it was ordered that the said in the forenoon, pursuant to adjomrn Bill be rderred to a Commit·tee of the ment. ,vhole House on tomorrow. A petition was presented by Mr. Pursuant to order and on motion of Drover from Roddickton, Re Hospital. Hon. the Minister c,f Economic De velo,pment, the Bill entitled "An Act Hon. bhe Minister of Finance gave HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1153 notice that he would on tommrow the Committee have lea,ve to sit again move the House into a Committee of presently. ,bhe Who,le to consider certain Resolu The House recessed until three of tions regarding bhe raising of a loan the clock. on the credit of the Province. Hon. t.he Minister of Finance gave Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair. notice that he would on tomorrow On motion it was ordered that the move the House into a Committee of House do not adjourn at eleven o,f the the Whole to consider certain Resolu dock. tions in relation to an increase o.f -the tax on gaso.Jine. Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. the Minister of Finance the On motion of Mr. Courage, the Bill House resolved itself into Committee entitled "An Act to Incorporate the of Supply. Newfoundland Association of Archi tects" was introduced and read a first Mr. Speaker left the Chair. time and it was ordered that the said Mr. Courage took the Chair of Com Bill be read a second time on to mittee. morrow. Mr. Speak~r resumed the Chair. Mr. Browne gave ·notice of Question. The Chairman from the Committee Pursuant to order and on motion of reported tha,t they had considered -the Hon. the Minister of Finance the matter to them referred and had House resolved itself into Committee passed the Estimates c,f Current Expen of Suif>ply. diture under fhe following headings: Mr. Speaker left the Ohair.. VI Department of Education. Mr. Courage took ·the Chair of Com• VH. Department of Attorney Gen mittee. eral. Mr. Speaker re~umed the Chair. IX. Department of Public Wc'l'ks. The Chairman from the Committee T ,he Ohairman from ,the Committee reported that they had considered the asked leave to sit again presently. maHer to them referred and hacl passed the Estimates of Current Expen On motion this repo1·t was received diture under the following headings: and adopted and it was o-rdered that the Committee have leave to sit again I. Consolidated Fund Services. presently. II. Legislative. The House recessed until eight o·f HI. Executive Council. the clock. IV. Department of Finance. Mr. Sipeaker resumed the Chair. V. Department of Provincial Affairs. Pursuant to order and on mo,tion of The Chairman from the Committee Hon. the Minister o·f Finance the as·ked leave to sit again presently. House reso-lved itself into Committee of Snpp,ly. On motion -~his report was received and ado,pted and it was ordered that Mr. Speaker left lhe Chair. 1154 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Mr. Courage toGk the Chair of Com A petition was presented by Mr. mittee. Drover from Griquet, Re Hospi•tal. Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair. Hon. the Premier made a statement, Re Medkal and Public Health Services The C:hairman from the Committee in White Bay. reported that they had ,considered the matter to them referred and had P1ursuant to order and on motion o.f passed the Estimates of Current Expen Mr. Courage, the Bill entitled "An Act diture under the following headings: Lo Incorporate -rhe Newfoundland As sociation of Architects" w.as read a VIII. Department of Mines and second time and it was ordered that Resources, items 801-805 in rhe sajd Bill be referred to a Select dus-ive. Committee coru;isting of the following X. Department of Hea-lth. members: Mr. Higgins, XI. Department of Public Wei- Mr. Courage, fare. Mr. Nonnan, Mr. But•ton, XII. Board of Liquor Control. Mr. Canning, XIII. Department of Municipal Af. Mr. Morgan. fairs and Supply. Pursuant to order and 011 motion of XIV. Department of Fis;heries and Hon. the Minister of Finance, the Co-operatives. House resolved itself into Committee of Supply. xv. Department of Economic De- velopment. Mr. Speaker left the Chair. XVI. Department of Labour. Mr. Courage Look the Chair of Com The Ohairman from the Committee mittee. asked leave to sit again on tomorrow. Mr. Speaker resumed •the Chair. On motion •this report was received and adopted and it was ordered that "I'he Ohairman from the Committee the Committee have leave to sit again repol'ted Lhat they had considered ~he on tomorrow. matter to vhem referred and had passed items 806-821 in.elusive of the On motion t:he remarnrng Orders of Estimates of Current Exp-enditure un t·he Day were deferred. der the heading of ~he Depa·rtment of It was moved and seconded that Mines and Re.sources and had passed when the House rises, it adjourn until the Estimates of Capital Expenditure tomo-rrow morning, A,pril 20th., at under the foHowing headings: eleven of the clock. I. Consolidated Fund S'ervices. The House then adjourned accord IV. Department of Finance. ingly. VI. Department of Education. WEDNESDAY, April 20th., 1955. VII. Department of Attorney Gen The House met at fileven of Vhe clock eral. in the forenoon, purusant to adjourn VIII. Department of Mines and ment. Resources. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS · 1155 IX. Department of Public Works. tween the Government and Frobisher Limited." X. Department of Health. A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Local XI. Department of Public Wel School Tax Act, 1954." fare. A Bill, "An Act Furtiher to Amend XIII. Department of Municipal Af the Registration of Deeds Act." fairs and Supply. A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Pay XIV. Department of Fisheries and ment of Bounties on the Construction Co-operatives, item 1440. of Fishing S•hips." The Chairman asked leave to sit A Bill, "An Act to Amend the again presently. Life and Accident Insurance Agents On motion chis report was received (Licensing) Act." and adopted and it was ordered ~hat A BHI. "An Act to Amend the Dis the Committee 'have leave to sh again trict Courts Act." presently. A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend The House recessed until three of rhe Slum Clearance Act." the clock. A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair. the Trus·tee Act." On motion it was ordered that the A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend House do not adjourn at six of the the City of St. John's Act." clock. A Bill, "An Act to Approve and Give On motion it was ordered that the Statutory Effect to an Agreement be House do not adjourn at eleven of the tween the Government and the Union clock. Electric Light and Power Company Pursuant t.o order and on motion of Limited Relating to a Franchise." Hon. the At-torney Genera•! Vhe House A Bill, "An Act to Approve and Give resolved ·itself ·into a Committee of ~he Statutory E.f.fect to a-n Agreement be Whole to consider che following Bills: tween Vhc Government and Mr. James A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Con Boylen. ditional Sale of Goods." A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend A Bill, "An Act Respecting Bulk the Public Works Act." Sales." A BiH, "An Act to Establish the City A nm, "An Act Respecting the Pro of Corner Brook and for Other Pur vision of Building Standards." poses in Connection therewith." A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend A Bill, "An Act to Confirm to Bo the Boiler and Pressure Vessel Act." water's Newfoundland Pulp and Paper A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Mills Limited Ce1'tain Rights and the Highway Traffic Act." Powers." A Bill, "An Act to Approve and Give A Bill, "An Act to Amend uhe Stamp Statutory Effect to an Agreement be- Act." 1156 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend ment of Bounties on the Construction the Judicature Act." of Fishing Ships." A Biill, "An Act to Amend the Elec A Bi.J.l, "An Act Further to Amend tion Act." the Education Act." A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Pro the Education Act." cessing of Pothead and Minke ,vhales." A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Prn A BiH, "An Act Further to Amend cessing o,f Pothead and Minke Whales." Uhe Local Authority Guarantee Act, 1952." A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend tlhe vVater and Sewerage Co!"lporation A Bill, "An Act to Aut-horize the of Greater Corner Brook Act, 1951." Lieutenant-Governo,r in Council to E:n,ter into an Agreement with the A Bill, "An Act Further ,to Amend British Newfoundland Corporation the Local Authority Guarantee Act, Limited and N. M. RoL!hschild & Sons 1952." Supplemental to Agreements Dated the A Bill, "An Act to Authorize the Twenty-First Day of May, 1953, and Lieutenant-Governor in Council to the Tihird Day of July, 1954, Respec Enter into an Ag1,eement wi-lh the tively." British Newfoundland Coi,poration On motion this report was received Limited and N. M. Rothschild & Sons and adopted and i·t was ordered that Supplemental to Agreements Dated the ~he said Bills be read a third time on Twenty-First Day of May, 19!53, and tomorrow. the Third Day of July, 1954, Respec tively." The Chairman from the Committee further reported that they had consid Mr. Speaker left the Chair. ered the BiU entitled "An Act Respect Mr. Cournge took the Chair of Com ing Bulk S'ales" and had passed the mittee. said Bill with some amendment. Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair. On motion this report was received and adopted and it was order-eel that The Chairman f.rom the Committee the said Bill be read a third time on reported that they had considered t.he -tomorrow. matters to them referred and had passed the foHo-wing Bills without The Chairman from the Committee amendment. further reported that they had consid ered Lhe other Bills to ~hem r-eferred, A Bill, "An Act to Approve and Give had m acle some progress, and asked Statutory Effect to an Agreement be leave to sit again presently. tween the Government and Frobisher Limited." On motion this report was received and adopted and it was order-eel that A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Local the Committee have leave to sit again Sdhool Tax Act, 1954." presently. A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend The House recessed until eight of the Registration of Deeds Act." the clock. A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Pay- Mr. Speaker r-esumed t•he Chair. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1157 Pursuant to order and on motion of A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Hon. the Attorney General, the House the Judicature Act." resolved jtself into a Committee of the A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Elec Whole to consider ~he following Bills : tion Act." A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Con ditiona"I Sale of Goods." A Bill, "An Act Furrher to Amend the Water and Sewerage Corporation A Bill, "An Act Respecting tihe Pro of Greater Corner Brook Act, 1951." vision of Building Standards." Mr. Speaker left the Chair. A Bill, "An Act Further ,to Amend the Boiler and Pressure Vessel Act." Mr. Courage took the Chair of Com mittee. A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair. the Highway Traffic Act." A Bill, "An Act to Amend the The Chairman from the Committee Life and Accident Insurance Agents reported that they had considered the (Licensing) Act." matters to them referred and had passed the following Bills without A BiH, "An Act to Amend the Dis amendment: trict Courts Act." A Bill, "An Act to Amend ~he Dis- A Bill, "An Act Furdher to Amend trict Courts Act." the Slum Clearance Act." A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend the Slum Clearance Act." t!he Trus-tees Act." A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend A ,Bill, "An Act Further to Amend the Trustees Act." t'he City of St. John's Act." A Bill, "An Act to Approve and Give A Bill, "An Act to Approve and Give S,tatutory Effect to an Agreement be Statutory Effect to an Agreement be tween the Government and the Union tween the Government and the Union Electric Light and Power Company Electric Light and Power Company Limited Relating to a Franchise." Limited Relating to a Franchise." A Bill, "An Act to Approve and Give A Bill, "An Act to Approve and Give Statutory E,ffect to an Agreement be Statutory Effect to an Agreement be tween the Government and Mr. James tween ~he Government and Mr. James Boylen." Boylen." A BiU, "An Act Further to Amend A Bill, "An Act to Confirm to Bo the Public Works Act." water's Newfoundland Pulp and Paper A Bill, "An Act to Esta!blis'h the City Mills Certain Rights and Powers." of Corner Brook and for Other Pur A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Stamp poses in Connection therewith." Act." A Bill, "An Act to Confirm to Bo A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend water's Newfoundland Pulp and Paper the Judicature Act." Mills Certain Rights and Po,wers." A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Stamp On motion ·this report was received Act." and adopted and it was ordered that 1158 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS the said BiUs be read a third time on Company Limited" was read a second tomorrow. time and i,t was ordered -that the said Bill be referred to a Committee of the The Chairman from the Committee Whole House on tomorrow. further repor,ted that ~hey had consid ered the matters to them refened and Pursuant to order and on motion of had passed the .following Bills with Hon. the Minister of Finance, the some amendment : House resolved itself into Committee of Supply. A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Pm vision of Building Standards." Mr. Speaker left •the Chair. A Bill, "An Act Furt!her Lo Amend Mr. Courage took the Chair of Com the Boiler and Pressure Vessel Aot." mittee. A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Mr. Speaker resumed the Ohair. the City of S·t. John's Act." And it being past midnight Thurs A Bill, "An Act to Establish the City day, Apri•l 21st., 195.5. o.f Corner Brook and for Other Pur The Chaiirman from the Committee poses in Con,nection therewith." reported that they had considered the A Bill, "An Aot to Amend the Elec matter to them referred and had tion Act." passed the Estimates of Capital expen diture under the foUo,wing headings : A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend the Water and Sewerage Corporation XIV. Fisheries and Co-operatives, of Greater Corner Brook Act, 1951." i-tem 1444. On motion this report was received XV. Department of Economi-c De and adopted and it was ordered that velopment. the said Bills be read a ~hird time on tomorrow. T,he Chairman from the Committee a,;ked leave to sit again at a later hour The Chairman from the Committee in Che day. further reported that they had consid ered the other Bills to them referred, On motion this report was received had made some progress, and asked and adopted and it was ordered that leave to sit again on tomorrow. the Committee have leave to sit again at a later hour in the day. On motion this report was received and adopted and it was ordered that It was moved and secondetl that the Committee have leave to sit again when the House rises, it adjouTn un on to.morrow. til this morning at eleven of the clock. Hon. the Minister of Finance tabled The House then adjourned accord "Repor-t of the Civil Service Commis ingly. sion o.f Newfoundland for t•he fiscal )'ear ended 31st. March, 1955." THURSDAY, April 21st., 1955. Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. t•he Minister of Economic De- The House met at eleven of the velopment, the Bill entitled "An Act clock in the forenoon, pursuant to ad- Respecting Monier Bay Development journmenf HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1159 A petition was ,presented by Mr. being entitled as above, and that it be Courage from Terrencevrlle, Re Med rnbmi,tted to the Lieutenant-Governor ical Services. for his assent. Pursuant to order and on mo~ion of Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. the Attorney General, the Bill Hon. bhe Attorney General, the Bill entitled "An Act Respecting Bulk entitled "An Act Further to Amend Sales" was read a third time and vhe Registration of Deeds Act" was passed and it was ordered that the read a third time and passed and it said Bill be ·printed, being entitled as was ordered that the said Bill be above, and that it be submitted to the printed, being entitled as above, and Lieutenant-Governor ,for his assent. that it ·be submitted to the Lieutenant Governor for ,his assent. Pursuant ·to order and on motion of Hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs Pursuant to order and on motion of and Sup,ply, the &ill entitled "An Act Hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Co Respecting -the Provision of Building operatives, the Bill entitled "An Act Standards" was read a third time and Respecting the Payment of Bounties on passed and it was ordered that the the Construction of Fishing Ships" was said Bi,11 be printed, being entitled as read a third time and passed, and iit above, and that it be submitted to the was ordered that the said Bill be Lieu-tenant-Governor for his assent. printed, being entitled as above, and ~hat it be submitted to the Lieutenant Pm·suant to order and on motion of Governor for his assen;t. Hon. the Minister of Labour, the Bill entitled "An Act FurDher to Amend Pursuant to order and on motion of Uhe Boiler and Pressure Vessel Act" Hon. the Attorney General, the Bi,11 was read a third time and ,passed and entitled "An Act to Amend the Dis it was ordered that the said Bill be trict Courts Act" was read a third time printed, being entitled as above, and and passed and it was ordered that that H be submitted to ·the Lieutenant. the said Bill be printed, being entitled Governor for his assent. as above, and that i,t be submitted to ~he Lieutenant-Governor for his assent. Pursua'llt to order and on motion of Hon. the Minister of Mines and Re Pursuant to order and on motion of sources, the Bill entitled "An Act to Hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs Apprnve and Give Statutory Ef.fect to and Supply, the Bill entitled "An Aot an Agreement between the Government Furrher to A.mend the Slum Clearance and Frobisher Lirni,ted" was read a Act" was read a t.hird time and passed third t1me and passed and it was or and tit was ordered tha·t the said Bill dered that the said Bill be printed, be printed, being entitled as above, and being entitled as above, and that it be that it be submitted to the Lieutenant submitted to the Lieutenarut-Govemor Governor for his assent. for his assent. Pursuant to order and on motion of Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. the Attorney General, the Bill Hon. the Minister of Education, the entitled "An Act Further to Amend Bill entitled "An Act to Amend the the Trustees Act" was read a ·third Local School Tax Act, 1954" was read time and pa55ed and it was ordered a third time and passed and i-t was that the said Bill be -printed, being ordered that l'he said Bill be printed, entitled as above, and that it be sub- 1160 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS mitted to ,the Lieutenant-Governor for entitled "An Act to Confirm to Bo his assent. water's Newfoundland Pulp and Paper Mills Limited Certain Rights and Pursuant to order and on motion of Powers" was read •a thiird time a,nd Hon. the Mini&ter of Municipal Affairs passed and it was ordered that the said and Supply, -tne Bill entitled "An Act Bill lbe printed, being entitled as Further to Amend the City of St. a:bove, and that it be submitted to Vhe John's Act" was read a third t,irne and Lieutenant-Governor for his assent. passed and it was on-dered ~hat the said Bill be printed, being entitled as Pursuant to order and on mot,ion of above, and vhat it be submitted to the Hon. bh e Attorney General, the Bill Lieutenant-Governor ,for his assent. entitled "An Act to Amend the S'tamp Act" was read a third time and passed Pursuant to order and on motion of and it was ordered t-hat the said Bill Hon. the Minister of Economic De be ,printed, being entitled as a'bove, and ve!o.pment, the Bill entitled "An Act that it be submitted ,to the Lieutenant to Approve and Give Statutory Effect Governor for his assent. to an Agreement between th,e Govern ment and the Union Electr,ic Ligiht and Pursuant to order and on motion of Power Company Limited Relating to Hon. the Attorney General, the Bi11 a Franchise" was read a t,hird time and t:nlilletl "An Act Fureher to Amend passed and ,it was ordered that the said ohe Jiudicature Act" was -read a third Bill 1be ,printed, being entitled as above, oime and p.:tssed and it was ordered and that it be submitted to -the Lieu that the said Bill 1be printed, being tenant-Governor for h-is assent. entitled as above, and !'hat it ·be sub mitted to the Lieutenant-Gov,ernor for Pursuant to order and on mo-tion of his assent. Hon. the Minister of Mines and Re sources, l'he Bill entitled "An Aot •to Pursuant •to order and on motion of Approve and Give Statutory EffP-c.t t.o Hon. the Attorney General, t-he Bill an Agreement b etween the Govern entitled "An Act to Amend the Elec ment and Mr. James Boylen" was read tion Act" was read a third time and a ~hird time and passed and it was passed and it was Ol'de red that the said ordered tl:mt ,the said B:ill be printed, Bill be printed, beii ng entitled as being entitled as above, and that it be above, and that it be submitted to the submitted to the Lieutenant-Governor Lieutenant-Governor for his assent. for his assent. Pursuant to order and on motion of Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. bhe Minister of Education, ohe Hon. ~he Minis,ter of Municipal Affairs Bill entitled "An Act Further to and Supply, the Bill entitled "An Act Amend the Education Act" ,was read a to Establish the City of Corner Brook third time and passed and it was or and for Other Purposes in Connection dered that the said BiH be printed, therewith" was read a third time and being entitled as above and that it ibe passed and it was ordered t'hiat the said submitted to the Lieutenant-Governor Bill be printed, being entitled as for his assent. above, and that it be submitted to the Lieutenant-Governor for his assent. Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. the Minister of Mines and Re Pursuant to order and on mo•tion of sources, t'he B:ill entitled "An Act Hon. the Attorney Geneua:l, the Bill Respecting the Processing of Pothead HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1161 and Minke Whales" was read a third Mr. Spea-ker resumed the Ohair. time ,and passed and it was ordered lihat the said Hill be ,printed, being The debate on the Budget Speech entitled as above, an ·that it be sub was continued and on motion was ad mitted to the Lieutenant Governor for journed for further debate presently. his assent. The House recessed urntil eight of the clock. Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. the Minister of Munfoipal Affairs Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair. and Supply, the Bill entitled "An Act Furbher to Amend the Water and The debate on the Budget Speedh Sewerage Corporation of Greater Cor was concluded and the House resolved ner Brook Act, 1951" was read a third itself into Committee of Ways and time and passed and it was ordered Means. that the said Bill be printed, being Mr. Speaker left t:he Ch,air. entitled as above, an Pursuant to order and on motion of Mr. Slpea:ker resumed the Chair. Hon. the Minister of Munic~pal Affairs and Supply, the Bill entitled "An Act The Ghairman from the Committee Further to Amend the Local Aulhori,ty reported that they had considered ~he Guarantee Act, 1952" was read a third matter to them referred, :had made time and passed and it was ordered some progress, and asked leave to sit that the said Bill be printed, being again presently. entitled as above, and that i,t be sub On motion t;his re-port was received mitted to the Lieutenant-Governor for and adopted and it was ordered that his assent. the Committee have leave ,to sit again presently. Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. the Minister o,f Economic De On motion it was ordered that the velopment, •l'he Blill entitled "An Act House do not adjourn at eleven of t'he to AuLhorize the Lieutenant-Governor clock. in Council to enter into an Agreement with the British Newfoundland Cor Pursuant to order and on motion of Hon. the Minister of Finance, the pora!tion Limited and N. M. Roths House -resolved it~elf >into Committee child & Sons Supplemental to Agre-~ ments Dated the T ,wenty-First Day of of Supply. May, 1953, and the Third Day of July, Mr. Speaker ,left the Chair. 1954, Respectively" was read a third time and passed and it •was ordered Mr. Courage took the Chair of Com that the said Bill be printed, being mittee. entitled as above, and ·bhat it be sub Mr. Speaker resumed ~he Chair. mitted to the Lieutenant-Governor .for his assent. T'he Cha:irman from the Commi-ttee reported that they had considered the The Budget Speech was debated. matter to them referred and had The House recessed until thre-e of passed the .following headings under the clock. Financial Surplus. Account : 1162 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS I. Con soIida Led Fund Services. Hon. the Minbter of Pu,blic Welfare IV. Department of Finance. made a Ministe11ial Statement and an nounced that he would on ,tomorrow The Chair,man a5ked lea:ve to sit tender to the Premier his resignation aga,in on ,tomorrow. front -the Caibinet and as Minister of Public Wei.fare. On motion this report was received and adDpted and it was ordered tfoH Pursuant to notice and on motion of the Committee have leave to sit aga:in Hon. the Minister of Finance, the on tomorrow. House -resolved itself into Committee of the W:hole to consider certain Pursuant to order and on motion of Resolutions -regarding .~he raising of a Hon. the Minister of Finance, tilie loan on ·the credit of ~he Provin{:c. House resolved itself into Committee of Ways and Means. Mr. Speaker left the Chair. Mr. S:peaker left the Chair. Mr. Cou,rage took the Ohair c,f Com mittee. Mr. Courage took 'the Chair of Com mittee. Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair. Mr. S:peaker resumed the Chair. The Chairman from the Committep reported that they had considered the T •he Chairman from .the Comm~tt-ee ma~ter to them referred, had passed reported bha,t they had considered the ce11tain Resolutions regard,ing the rai5- matter to them referred, had passed ing of a loan on Uhe credit of t•he certain Resolutions granting Supply to Province and ,recommended ,that a Bill Her Majesty and -recommending that a be introduced to give effect to the Ilill be introduced to give effect ,to the same. same. 'I!he said Resolutions being read a The said Resolutions being read a first and second 'lime, it was moved first and second time, it was moved and seconded that ,the House concur and seconded that the House concur with the Committee ,therein and t,he with the Committee therein and the said Resolutions were agreed ,to. sai·d ResoluLiom were agreed to. On motion of Hon. the Minister of On motion i.t was ordered that the F.inaince, t-he Bill entitled "An Aot to Committee have leave Lo sit again Authorize the Raising of a Sum of presently. Money by way of Loan on ,t'hc Credit of the Province" was introdu{:ed and On motion of Hon. the Minister of read a first and second time and it Finance, ,the Bill entitled "An Act for was ordered bhat the said B:ill be re Granting to Her Majesty Cer,tain Sums £erred to a Committee of vhe Whole of Money for Defraying Certain Ex House ,presently. penses of the Public Service for the Finan•ial Yea,r ending uhe Thirty-First Pursuant to order and·on motion·of Day of March, One Thousa,nd Nine Hon. the Minister of Finance, the Hundred aind Fifty-Six, and for Ot-her House resolved itself into a Committee Purposes Relating to the Public Serv of the Whole to consider the Bill en i-cc" was introduced and ·read a first titled "An Act to Authorize the ·Rais time and it was ordered rhat the said ing of a Sum of Money by way of Bi-ll be read a second time presently. Loan on the Credit of the Province." HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1163 Mr. Speaker left the Chair. wi.th ~he Committee therein and the said resolutions were agreed •to. Mr. Courage took the Chair of Com mi,ttee. On motion of Hon. t'he Minister of Finance, the Bill entitled "An Act Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair. FuNher to Amend the Gasoline Tax The Chairman from uhe Committee Act" was introduced ,and read a first reported uha.t they ,had considered the and second time an·d it was ordered matter to them referred and had that Uhe said Bill be ref,erred to a passed the said Bill without amend Committee of the Whole House pres ment. ently. On motion this report was received Pursuant to order and on motion of and adopted and it was ordered that Hon. the Minister of Finance, the the said Bill be read a t'hird t~me House resolved itself into a Committee presently. of the Whole •to consider the Bill en titled "An Act Further to Amend the Pursuant to order and on motion of Gasoline Tax Act." Hon. the Minister of Finance, the Bill entitkd 'An Act to Authorize the Rais Mr. Speaker left the Chair. ing of a Sum of Money by Way of Mr. Comage took the Chair of Com Loan on the Credit of the Prov,ince" mittee. was read a third time and passed and it was ordered rhat bhe said Bill be Mr. Speaker resumed the Ohair. printed, being entitled as above, and The Ohairman fmm the Committee that i-t be submitted ,to the Lieutenant reported that they had considered the Go,vernor for his assent. matter ·to them referred and had Pursuant to notice and on motion of passed the said Bill without amend Hon. bhe Minister of Finance, the ment. House resolved itself into a Committee On motion t11is repo11t was received of the Whole ,to consider certain and adopted and it was ordered that Resolutions in relation to an increase the said BiH be read a third time in the tax on gasoline. presently. Mr. Speaker left the Chair. Pursuant ·to order and on motion of Mr. Courage -took ,rhe Chair of Com Hon. the Minister of Finance, t•he nm mittee. entitled "An Act Further to Amend the Gasoline Tax AGt" was read a Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair. Lhinl time and passed and it was or The Chairman from the Committee dered that the said Bill be printed, reported ,that bhey had considered the being entitled as above, and that it be matter to them referred, had passed submitted •to the Lieutenant-Governor certain Resolutions in relation to an for his assent. increase in bhe tax on gasoline and Pursuant to order and on motion of recommended that a Bill be introduced Hon. the Minis·ter of Economk De to ~ive effect to the same. velopment, the Bill entitled "An Act T •he said Resolutions lbeing read a Res,pecting the Construction of a R,ai! first and second time it was moved way from Wa:bush Lake" was read a and seconded that •the House concur se-cond t-irnc and it was ordered that 1164 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS the said Bill be referred to a Commi·t· The Chairman from the Committee tee of the W:hole House presently. fui,ther reported that they had consid ered the matters ,to them referred and Pursuant to order and on motion of had .passed the .following Bills with Hon. the Attorney General, tihe House some amendment : resolved itself into a Committee of the Whole to consider the followings Bills: A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Con ditional Sale of Goods." A Bill, "An Act Respect1ing uhe Con ditional Sale of Goods." A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend the Public Works Act." A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend bhe Highway Traffic Aot." A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Con structing of a Rai1way from Wabush A Bi!l "An Act ,to Amend the Lake." Life •and Accident ,Insurance Agents (Licensing) Act." On motion this -report -was reveiced and ado,pted and it was ordered that A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend the said Bills be read a third time the Publi<: Works Act." ,presently. A Bill, "An Act Respecting Mortier On motion of Hon. the Attorney Bay Develo.pment Company Limi,ted." General, and with unanimous consent, ~he B,HJ entitled "An Act Respecting A Bill, "An A.ct Re&pectJing the Con the Conditional Sale of Goods" was struction of a Rai1way from Wabush read a third time and passed and it was Lake." ordered that .the said Bill be printed, Mr. Speaker left the Chair. being entitled as a•bove, and that it be submitted to the Lieutenant-Governor Mr. Courage took the Ohair of Com for his assent. mittee. On motion of Hon. the Minister of Mr. Speaker resumed the Ohair. Public Works, and wit'h unanimous consent, the Bill entitled "An Act The Chairman from the Committee Further to Amend the Highway Traf reported that ~hey had considered bhe fic Act" was read a third time and matters ·to them re-ferred and had pass-ed and it was ordered tha-t the passed the following Bills without said Bill be printed, being entitled as amendment. aibove, and tha,t it be sul:nnitted to the A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Lieutenant-Governor for !his assent. the Highway Traffic Act." On motion of Hon. ,the Attorney General, a:nd wJth unanimous consent, A Bill, "An Act to Amend the the Bill entitled "An Act to Amend Life and Accident Insurance Agents ohe Life and Accident Insurance Agents (Licensing) Act." (Licensing) Act" •was read a •bhird time A Bill, "An Act Respecting Mortier and passed and it was ordered ~hat Bay Development Company Limited." the said Bill be printed, being entitled as above, and that it be su·bmitted to On motion this report was re.ceived the Lieutenant-Gove,rnor for :his assent. and adopted and it was ordered that ~he said Bills be read a third time On motion of Hon. the Miinister of presently.· Publie Works, and wioh unanimous HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1165 consent, Dhe Bill entitled "An Act firs,t and second time, it was moved Furt·her to Amend the Public Works and seconded, that the House concur Act" was read a third time and passed with the Committee therein and the and it was ordered that the said Bill said Resolutions were agreed to. be printed, being entitled as a:bove, and On motion of Hon. the Minister of that it be submitted to the Lieutenant Finanoe, and with unanimous consent, Governor for his assent. the Bill entitled "An Act to Amend On moDion of Hon. the Minister of the Loan and Guamntee Act, 1954" Economic Development, and with un was introduced and read a first, second animous consent, the Bill entitled "An and bhird time and it was ordered that Act Respecting Mortier Bay Develop the said Bill be printed, being entitled ment Company Limited" was read a as above, and that i,t be submi•tted to third time and passed and it was or the Lieutenant Governor for his assent. dered that the said Bill be printed, Pursuant to order and on motion of being entitled as abov,e, a:nd vhat it be Hon. the Attorney General, the Bill submitted to the Lieutenant-Governor entitled "An Act to Amend the Con for his assent. sta:bulary Act" was read a second time On motion 0£ Hon. the Minister of and it was ordered that the said Bill Economic Development, and with un be referred to a Committee o.f the animous consent, the Bill entitled "An ·whole House presently. Act Respecting the Construction of a Railway from Wabush Lake" and read Pursuant ,to order and on mution of a third time and passed and it was or Hon. the Minister of Finance, the Bill dered that the said Bill be printed entitled "An Act to Amend the Civil being entitled as above, and that it be 8ervke Act" was read a second time submi,tted to the Lieuternant-Governor and it was ordered that the said Bill for his a.1sent. be referred to a Committee of the Whole House pi,esently. On motion of Hon. the Minister of Finance, and with unanimous consent, Pursuant to ord·er and on motion of the House resolved itself into a Com Hon. the Attorney General, the House mittee of the Whole House to consider resolved itself into a Committee of the Resolutions in relation to bhe advanc Whole to consider ,the followiing Bills : ing of ceutain loans. A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Civil Mr. Speaker left the Chair. Service Act." Mr. Courage took the Ohair of Com A Bill, to Amend vhe Constabulary mittee. Act." Mr. Speaker resumed the Ohair. Mr. Speaker left the Chair. The Chairman from the Committee Mr. Courage took the Chair of Com reported that they had comidered the mittee. matter to them referred, 'had passed certa.in resolutions in relation to the_ Mr. Speaker resumed the Ohair. advancing or guaranteeing of certain The Chairman from the Committee loans and recommending that a Bill be [ntroduced to give effect to the same. reported that they had considered the ma.tters to them referred and had The said Resolutions being read a passed the Bill entitled "An Act to 1166 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Amend the Civil Service Act" with The House then adjourned accord some amendment, and L'hat B•ill en ingly. titled "An Act to Amend ·the Consta bulary Act" without amendment. TUESDAY, April 27th., 1955. On motion this report was received The House met ait thee of the clook and adopted and it was mdered that in the afternoon, pursuant -to adjourn ~he said Bills be read a third time ment. presently. On motion -0f Hon. the Minis·ter of On motion of Hon. the Acting P-re Finance, and with unanimous consent, mier, the third reading and passing of the Bill entitled "An Act to Amend the Bill entitled "An Act to Amend t'he CivH Service Act" was read a third the Loan and Guarantee Act, 1954" was rescinded. time and passed and it was ordered bhat the said Bill be priil'ted, being On moti-on af Hon. the Acting Pre entitled as above, and that it be sub mier, and with unanimous consent, t·he mitted to the Lieutenant,Governor .for Bill entitled "An Act to Amend the his assent. Loan and Guamntee Act, 1954" was On motion of Hon. the Attorney read a third time and passed, with General, and with unanimous consent, some verbal amendment, and i-t was !:he Bill entitled "An Act to Amend ordered t:ha,t ~he said Bill be printed, the Constabulary Act" was read a .third being entitled as above, and tha•t it be time and passed and it was ordered submitted to the Lieutenan:t-Governor that the said Bill be printed, being for his assent. entitled as above, and that it be sub The Sergeant - at - Arms announced mitted to the Lieutenan,t-Governor for that HiG Honour Uhe Lieutenant his assent. Governor had arrived. Pursuant to order and on motion of His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor Hon. bhe Minister of Finance, the Bill took t,he Ohair. entitled "An Act for Granting to Her Majesty Certain Sums of Money for Mr. S'peaker addressed His Honour Defraying Ce:rtain Expen:ses of the as follows: Public Service for the Financial Year May i.t please Your Honour, the Ending the Thirty-First Day of March, General Assembly of the Province has One Thousand Nine Hundred and a;t its Present Session passed Certain Fifty-Six, and for Other Purposes Re Bills, to which, in the name and on lating to the Public Service" was read behalf of the General Assembly, I a second and thi1·d time and it was res,pectfully reques•t Your Honour"s ordered that ·the said Bill be printed, assent. being entitl,ed as aibove, and that it ·be submittet! to the Lieutenant-Governor Whereupon the Clerk read the fol for his assent. lowing Bills entitled : On motion the remammg Orders of A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Fish ~he Day were deferred. eries Loan Act." lt was mov·ed and seconded that A Bill, "An Act to Amend the In when the House rises, it adjourn until dus-trial Development Loan Act." Monday afternoon, April 26th., at A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Co three of the clock. operative Develapment Loan Act." HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1167 A Bill, "An Act Respeoting Perpetui A Bill, "An Act Respecting Bills of ties and Accumulations in Relation to Sale and Chattel Mortgages." Cevtain Funds Esta:blished to Provide A Bill, "An Act Rei,pecting t'he Fish Pensions for Obher Benefits." eries Assistance Fund." A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend A Bill, "An Act Fm,ther to Amend the Education (Teachers' Pensions) the Local Government Act." Act." A Bill, "An Act to Amend the House A Biill, "An Act Fu11ther to Amend of Assembly Act." the Newfoundland Teachers' Associa tion Act." A Bill, "An Act Re&pecting Bulk Sales." A Bill, "An Act to Amend the School Attendance Act." A Bill, "An Act to Approve and Give Statutory Effect to an Agreement Be A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Pres tween the Government ,and Frobisher ervation of Historic Objects." Limited." A Bill, "An Act Fur,ther .to Amend A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Local the Apprenticeship Act." School Tax Act, 1954." A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend the Social Security Assessment Act." the Registration of Deeds Act." A Bill, "An Act Fur~her to Amend A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Pay the N ew.foundland Corporation 1Income ment of Bountie., on the Construction T,ax Act, 1949." o.f Fishing Ships." A Bill, "An Act Respecting ,the Com A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend ing into Force of the Civil Service the Education Act." Commission Act, 1953." A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Pro A Bill, "An Act to Amend bhe Fire cessing of Pothead and Minke Whales." Prevention Act." A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend A Bill, "An Act to Provide for the the Local Aubhority Guarantee Act, Protection of Justices and Other 1952." Public Authorities." A Bm, "An Act Further to Amend A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Wills the Local Government (Elections) Act." Act." A Bill, "An Act to Amend t,he Dis A Bill, "An Act to Establish the City abled Persons Act, 1954." of Corner Brook and for Other Pur poses in Connection Therewith." A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend the U11ban a:nd Rural Planning Act, A Bill, "An Act Further •to Amend 1953." the Oity of St. John's Act." A Biill, "An Act Further •to Amend A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend the Interpretation A-0t." the Boiler and Pressure Vessel Act." A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Edu A Bill, "An Act Respecting vhe Pro cation (Teacher Training) Act." vision of Building Standards." 1168 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS A nm, "An Act Further -to Amend A Bill, "An Act Respecting Mortier the ,vater and Sew{!rage Corporation Bay Development Company Limited." of Greater Corner Brook Act, 1951." A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Vhe Public Works Act." the Judicature Act." A Bill, "An Act to Amend the A Bill, "An Act to Amend the S'tamp Life and Accident Insurance Agenl:\'; Act." (Licensing) Aot." A Bill, "An Act to Confirm to Bo A Bill, "An Act Further ·to Amend water's Newfoundland Pulp and Paper the Highway Traffic Act." Mill-3 Limited Certain R,ights and Powers." A Bill, "An Act Respecting the Con struction of a Railway from Wabu~h A Bill, "An Act to Approve and Give Lake." S•tatutory Effect to an Agreement Be· tween the Government and Mr. James A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Boylen." the Gasoline Tax Act." A Bill, "An Act to Approve and Give A Bill, "An Act ·to Amend t:he Loan Statutory Effect to an Agreement Be• and Guarantee Act, 1954." tween the Government and the Union E1ectric Light and Power Company A Bill, "An Act Re~pecting the Con• Relating ·to a Fran A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend His Honour then said "In Her the Trustee Act." Majesty's name I assent to these Bills." A Bill, "An Act Furl-her lo Amend Mr, Speaker addressed His Honour the Slum Clearance Act." as follows: A Bill, "An Act to Amend t•he Dis• H is my agreea:ble duty on behalf of trict Courts Act." Her Majesty's dutiful and Joyal sub A Bill, "An Act to Authoriize the jects Her fai.thful Commons in New Lieutenant-Governor in Cou,ncil to foundland to present to Your Honour Ent,er into an Agreement wivh British Bills for the Appropriation of Slupply Newfoundland Cor.poration Limited granted i·n t•he present session. and N. M. Rothschild & Sons Sup• plemental to Agreements Dated the W•hereupon the Clerk read the fol Twenty-First Day of May, 1953, and ~he lowing Bills enitled: Third Day of July, 1954, Respectively." A Bill, "An Act for Granting to Her A Bill, "An Act -to Amend the Elec· Majesty Cenain Sums of Money for tion Act, 1954." De.fraying Cer,tain Ex,penses of the A Bill, "An Act Further to Amend Public Service .for the F.iinancial Year the Civil Service Act." Ended the Thirty-First Day of Maroh One Thousand Nine Hundred and A Bill, "An Act to Amend the Con Fifty-Four a·nd the Financial Year stabulary Act." Ended the Thirty-F•i!'s•t Day of March A Bill, "An Act to Authorize the One Thousand Nine Hundred and Raising of a Sum of Money by way of Fifty-Five and for Other Purposes Re Loan on the Credi,t of the Province." lating to the Public Service." HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 1169 A Bill, "An Act for Granting to Her selves vigorously to ,the various matters Majesty Certain Sums of Money for brought before you. Defraying ,certain Expenses of the Public Service for the Financial Year MR. SPEAKER AND MEMBERS OF Ending the Thirty-Firnt Day of March, THE HONOURABLE HOUSE OF One Thousand Nine Hundred and ASS'EMBLY: Fifty-Six, and for Ot,her Purposes Re The ample provJsion you ·have made lating to the Public Service." for the public service will enable my His Honour then said "In Her Ministers to pursue the progressive Majetsy's name I thank ,her Joyal sub measums already ini!tdated by my Gov jects and assent to these Hills." ernment in the fields of health, public welfare and education, while the sub His Honour the Lieute nant-Governor stantial votes provided for fisheries, was then pleased to make the follawing ag11icuLture and economic development speech: will, it is ,hoped, increase the earning power and ,independence of many of MR. SPEAKER AND MEMBERS OF our people. These moneys will be THE HONOURABLE HOUSE OF disbursed with the utmost regard for ASSEMBLY: economy. As you return ,to your private avoca In releasing you from your Ja,bours tions I extend to you my best wishes wish to thank you for ,the faithful for the 5UCcess of your undertakings. manner in which you >have performed your duties durung the present session. His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor left the Assembly Chamber. Althoug,h a grea-t number of Bills have been passed ~n a relatively short Mr. Speaker ~hen said : ptriod, very few of these could be con It is th-e will and pleasure of His s'idered of a contentious nature and I Honour t,h,e Lieutenant-Governor that am sure that all have received ample this General Assembly ,be prorogued consideration. I 1have to thank you until Wednesday -the eight day of June for your co-operation in expediting the next, and ,this Assembly is prorogued work of the session •by applying your- accordingly.