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October 11, 2007 Resources and Environment RE-91 Title: Thursday October 11, 2007 Resources and Environment RE-91 Title: Thursday, OctoberResources 11, 2007 and Environment Committee members. Thank you ever so much for accepting our invitation for Date: 07/10/11 you to be present to meet with the committee today. Whenever you Time: 9:02 a.m. are ready, I’d ask that you please introduce yourselves for the record [Mr. Ducharme in the chair] and move on with your presentation, please. The Chair: Welcome, everyone. I’d like to call the meeting to order and ask that those at the table introduce ourselves for the record. I’d Beverage Container Management Board like to start with those that are joining us by teleconference and then Mr. Risvold: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. It’s our proceed around the table. Mr. Miller, if you could introduce pleasure to be here, and we’d like to thank you for the opportunity yourself for the record. to appear before the committee. My name is Ross Risvold. I’m chairman of the Beverage Container Management Board and a Mr. R. Miller: Sure. It’s Rick Miller, MLA, Edmonton-Rutherford. public member on the board. With this I want to state that as a public member I don’t have any financial interest in the BCMB. We Mr. Lund: Ty Lund, Rocky Mountain House. are a multistakeholder board, so it’s a little different than many other boards. I’ll be coming at this as a public member of the board. Mr. Graydon: Gord Graydon, Grande Prairie-Wapiti. John, I think you should introduce yourself. Ms Dean: Shannon Dean, Senior Parliamentary Counsel. Mr. Bachinski: John Bachinski, I’m the managing director of the Beverage Container Management Board. Dr. Massolin: Philip Massolin, committee research co-ordinator, Legislative Assembly Office. Mr. Risvold: I will get started on the presentation. During the presentation, Mr. Chairman, how do you want to work this: ques- Ms Marzalik: Anne Marzalik, research, Legislative Assembly. tions to come up as we go through or after? Mrs. Kamuchik: Louise Kamuchik, Clerk Assistant, director of The Chair: I’d prefer afterwards. House services. Mr. Risvold: Okay. That’s fine. Thank you very much. Mr. Hinman: Paul Hinman, Cardston-Taber-Warner. In the presentation, as per your motion by MLA Ty Lund, we’re going to look at the structure and role for clarification because I Mr. Eggen: Dave Eggen, Edmonton-Calder. think it’s important that we give clarification of the system within Alberta. We’re going to look at the operations of the board, Mr. Oberle: Good morning. Frank Oberle, Peace River. opportunities that we see that are there, and the challenges that are also in existence. Ms Rempel: Jody Rempel, committee clerk, Legislative Assembly About the Beverage Container Management Board. Around 10 Office. years ago a DAO was established. There were several DAOs established around 10 years ago with the province, and we were one Ms Calahasen: Pearl Calahasen, Lesser Slave Lake. of them. We are responsible for the collection and recycling of beverage containers throughout Alberta, and that means as an The Chair: I’m Denis Ducharme, MLA for Bonnyville-Cold Lake. oversight. We don’t do the actual collections or the recycling part. The agenda was provided to you in your packages. I’d like to ask That is through some of the other people. You can read our mission if someone could move that the agenda for the October 11 meeting there, but the bottom line is that we are trying to retain our leader- of the Standing Committee on Resources and Environment be ship role in recycling and to reduce the impact on the environment adopted as circulated. Pearl. In favour of the motion? Carried. and materials going to landfills. We have a few sets of minutes. We have the approval of the The board representation – and this one is key – is rather unique. We have four public members, a rep from the Alberta Urban August 30, 2007, meeting. I hope that all members have had the Municipalities Association and the AAMD and C. We have opportunity to review the three sets of minutes attached to today’s somebody from Alberta Environment. We have an NGO from meeting package. Let’s begin with the minutes from the September toxics/waste avoidance, and the public member is myself as an 18 public hearing. Are there any corrections or revisions to those appointee. We have the manufacturers on the board for members: minutes? If not, I’d ask for someone to move the adoption of those the brewers; the AGLC, which is considered in this case to be a minutes. Mr. Eggen. In favour of the motion? Carried. Thank you. manufacturer; the Alberta Soft Drink Council, who are Pepsi and The next minutes that we have are from the September 20, 2007, Coke; and the Alberta Beverage Council, who are the small manu- public hearing in Calgary. Are there any corrections or revisions to facturers of beverages in the province. We also have four depot reps those minutes? If not, I’d ask that someone move them. Mr. Lund. from the bottle depots plus one from the retail liquor stores. In favour of the motion? Carried. Thank you. Finally, we have the minutes from our last meeting, that was held 9:10 on October 2. Are there any revisions required? If not, if I could ask That’s the makeup of the board. You can see with my original for someone to move them. Mr. Graydon. In favour of the motion? comment that it is a stakeholder board. This provides some chal- Carried. Thank you. lenges sometimes, but it also provides for tremendous strength and I’d like to take the opportunity now to welcome Mr. Ross Risvold that you have the knowledge of beverage containers and what’s and Mr. John Bachinski of the Beverage Container Management happening at the board level at all times. It also ensures that we have Board. In response to the committee’s request, these gentlemen have a level playing field without having one or two major companies prepared a presentation for us. I’d ask you to please come forward controlling what goes on within the province. to the end of the table, and we’ve set aside an hour for you gentle- We oversee two collection agents and also 216 depot owners to men for your presentation and for questions from the committee ensure a cost-effective collection system in the province. We set RE-92 Resources and Environment October 11, 2007 ground rules and criterias for the system. We conduct over 200 The main thing we’re trying to do is get them to recycle. As a result, annual regular depot and retail inspections a year. We issue last year less greenhouse gases, and we have diversion from landfills. operating permits for the depots. We approve the collection system On that, there have been around 61,000 metric tonnes and an equal agents, and again we have two in the province. We register new saving of oil to 433,000 barrels. beverage containers. Right now we’re registering approximately Alberta return rates. How do we stack up against other places? 4,000 new containers a year. We have registered over 65,000 We’ve looked at our neighbours. Frequently people will look at different containers that are sold within the province. Ontario and say that they have a very successful program. But, in I actually thought we were going to be over in the Leg., in the fact, they have a blue box program and don’t have the network that SPC, where you have a big table. These here just show the various we have set up, and according to a BearingPoint study, return rates types of containers that we have. I mean, they’re trying to get there are much lower. I know that Mark Anielski put out a study as people’s attention. This is a shooter. You know, we talk about a consultant, and he says that Ontario rates are even lower. So return rates. When people buy this, will they in fact be thinking they Saskatchewan is highest, Alberta second, then B.C., then Manitoba, should return it? So part of the complication is with all the different and of course Ontario. So we shouldn’t be using Ontario as a containers that we have. Just for handiness you can put this benchmark. We do need to improve, but we’re not doing too badly. somewhere and then spray it into your mouth. Will most people The next one is the role and responsibility. Just so you have an realize that this should be returned? We only bring this up because understanding of the whole program, we have the BCMB. We there are so many different types of containers, and a lot of people oversee the bottle depots. The Alberta Beer Container Corporation, are not aware maybe of what should be returned, or if they’ve had who is the ABCC, handles all domestic and imported beer. Then we too many of some of these others, they’re not concerned about it. have the Alberta Beverage Container Recycling Corporation, We also maintain a systems of appeals. We help maintain a ABCRC, and they handle all other containers. transparent system that is accountable to the Minister of Environ- Here’s the makeup of the ABCC board. Sorry; it doesn’t show up ment. This here, I think, shows the strength of our system in very well for those of us in the back. How is it up front? Good.
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