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• FALL & WINTER FASHION FORECAST TEN-PAGE PICTORIAL ON THE HIPPIES YOUR PLAYBOY JAZZ & POP POLL BALLOT AN.EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH JIM OARIIISON PLUS NORMAN MAILER AND HERBERT GOLD

CeL, 11)37 p. 59 - Playboy interview: Jim Garrison 2rie Norden

• FALL & WINTER FASHION FORECAST TEN-PAGE PICTORIAL ON THE HIPPIES YOUR PLAYBOY JAZZ & POP POLL BALLOT AN.EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH JIM OARIIISON PLUS NORMAN MAILER AND HERBERT GOLD vol. 14, no. 10—october, 1967 LAYBOY. CONTENTS FOR THE MEN'S ENTERTAINMENT MAGAZINE

DEAR PLAYBOY 9

PLAYBOY AFTER HOURS 25

THE PLAYBOY ADVISOR._ _ — 49

PLAYBOY'S INTERNATIONAL DATEBOOK—travel_...... PATRICK CHASE 53 35 Hippie Scene P. 128 THE PLAYBOY FORUM 59 PLAYBOY INTERVIEW: JIM GARRISON—candid AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

THE POP-OP CAPER—tictien F. NOLAN 76 El THE FOX—pictorial-

RIPPLES—fiction._ .---__RAY RUSSELL 57

THE ENGLISH HUNT BREAKFAST—Iaed._____ ...... __THOMAS MARIO 88

THE CRAZY 01411—memeir...._---.-...-----..NORMAN MAILER 91

COMPUTERS—THEIR BUILT-IN LIMITATIONS—article.___MAX GUNTHER 94 Music Poll P. 121 COMPUTERS—THEIR SCOPE TODAY—artIcle__...... ---EANEST HAYEMANN 95

CLEANER THAN DIRT — satire D 0 LLOYD 98

REAGAN FOR PLAYMATE!—playboy's playmate al the month._ 102

PLAYBOY'S PARTY JOKES—burstor 110

PLAYBOY'S FALL II WINTER FASHION FORECAST—attire...... ROBERT L GREEN 113

THE 1968 PLAYBOY JAZZ i POP POLL—lair/pep 121

DO IT FOR A PENNY?—fletlan_._HARLAN ELLISON and HASKELL BARKIN 127

THE NEW WAVE MAKERS—artIcr...... —.---...---HERBERT GOLD 128

LUST OP THE HOLY MAN—ribald 139

THE LUXURY OP LEATHER—accouterments...—.--_------142

HUGH M. WEINER editor and publisher

A. C. SPECTORSKY associate publisher and editorial director

ARTHUR PAUL art director

JACK J. KESSIE managing editor VINCENT T. TAJER1 picture editor Fashion Forecast P. 113

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vol. 14, no. 10—october, 1967 LAYBOY. CONTENTS FOR THE MEN'S ENTERTAINMENT MAGAZINE

DEAR PLAYBOY 9

PLAYBOY AFTER HOURS 25

THE PLAYBOY ADVISOR._ _ — 49

PLAYBOY'S INTERNATIONAL DATEBOOK—travel_...... PATRICK CHASE 53 35 Hippie Scene P. 128 THE PLAYBOY FORUM 59 PLAYBOY INTERVIEW: JIM GARRISON—candid AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

THE POP-OP CAPER—tictien F. NOLAN 76 El THE FOX—pictorial-

RIPPLES—fiction._ .---__RAY RUSSELL 57

THE ENGLISH HUNT BREAKFAST—Iaed._____ ...... __THOMAS MARIO 88

THE CRAZY 01411—memeir...._---.-...-----..NORMAN MAILER 91

COMPUTERS—THEIR BUILT-IN LIMITATIONS—article.___MAX GUNTHER 94 Music Poll P. 121 COMPUTERS—THEIR SCOPE TODAY—artIcle__...... ---EANEST HAYEMANN 95

CLEANER THAN DIRT — satire D 0 LLOYD 98

REAGAN FOR PLAYMATE!—playboy's playmate al the month._ 102

PLAYBOY'S PARTY JOKES—burstor 110

PLAYBOY'S FALL II WINTER FASHION FORECAST—attire...... ROBERT L GREEN 113

THE 1968 PLAYBOY JAZZ i POP POLL—lair/pep 121

DO IT FOR A PENNY?—fletlan_._HARLAN ELLISON and HASKELL BARKIN 127

THE NEW WAVE MAKERS—artIcr...... —.---...---HERBERT GOLD 128

LUST OP THE HOLY MAN—ribald 139

THE LUXURY OP LEATHER—accouterments...—.--_------142

HUGH M. WEINER editor and publisher

A. C. SPECTORSKY associate publisher and editorial director

ARTHUR PAUL art director

JACK J. KESSIE managing editor VINCENT T. TAJER1 picture editor Fashion Forecast P. 113

SINCE FEBRUARY of 1958. when we pub- his research by taking a cram course in computer program- PLAYBILL lished a tripartite takeout on the beat ing: "I seem to have passed, and the course taught me to be world, the striving of youth to transcend ethical, social and happy in my career as a writer; I'd rather be almost anything artistic convention has become a far-flung and highly diver- than a computer programmer." sified phenomenon, often referred to as a "revolution." Our lead fiction, The Pop-Op Caper—a private-eye Some of the avant-gardesmen of 1958, however, are still on stunner that spoofs its own genre—comes from the busy to what's happening. Herbert Cold, who authored one of pen of William F. Nolan, whose novel Logan's Run (his 15th the pieces in our survey of the Beats, provides to with book since 1958) was recently published by Dial. Nolan has the insightful text for The New Wave Makers, this month's finished a screenplay based on the book and is writing a novel portrait (with ten pages of photos by Eugene Anthony) of the about the exploits of Bart Challis, The Pop-Op Caper's hard- self-styled Love Generation—the hippies who fight the estab- nosed hero. Also at work on a screenplay is Ray Russell, lishment by dropping out of its constrictive mores. Gold— whose Ripples—a sci-fi tale with a surprise ending, crafted in whose fictional evocation of the Bay City hippie scene, Pea- less than a thousand words—provides us with another memo- cock Dreams, appeared in last June's PLAYBOY—claims to have rable fancy. Ray's been helping MGM adapt Washington witnessed not only "the first great be-in" (with his onetime Irving's classic Rip Van Winkle for the screen. fellow college student, now grand guru Allen Ginsberg) but The lighter side of this month's PLAYBOY includes Would also "the first rock-dance-light-show celebration where acid was You Do it for a Penny?, in which Harlan Ellison and Haskell put in the Jell-o." During recent travels in North Africa, Barkin describe the wiles of a young man who picks up, in Europe and the U. S. S. R., Gold explored the global aspects addition to his victuals, a companion at his neighborhood of this upheaval, on which he touches in his impressionistic supermarket; and Cleaner than Dirt, wherein D. G. Lloyd prose portrait. shows how Supreme Court rulings on prurience can work for The Crazy One, an eloquent account of the brief, mercurial or against lit'ry classics, real and imaginary. Barkin has been career of a magnetic, maladroit Mexican bullfighter, bears the fashioning a novel while writing public-relations material by-line of Norman Mailer, the adult terrible of American for a land-investment firm; co-author Ellison—author of 15 letters. Mailer's latest novel, Why Are We in Vietnam?, a books, more than 500 stories and articles and an upper-echelon scathing survey of our national neuroses, was released last TV and movie scriptwriter—was recently selected by Cosmo- month by Putnam; he is currently laboring on another major politan, for whatever it may be worth, as one of Hollywood's ___actional work. four most eligible bachelors. Lloyd is a comedy writer for the New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, whose investi- Johnny Carson show and has just finished a play that he gation of an alleged plot to assassinate John F. Kennedy has modestly claims is "being scrutinized with feverish apathy by made him a messiah to some and a madman to others, is the any number (one) of producers." subject of our exclusive, explosive Playboy Interview. Garrison Enough? Hardly. Herein are the ballot for our annual was quizzed by free-lance writer Eric Norden, who helped us(i jazz Poll, revised, renamed—it's now the Jazz and Pop Poll interview Mark lane last February. —and expanded this year to include the stars of superpop; Diverse opinions about man's mechanical servants in the Robert L Green's Fall 6. Winter Fashion Forecast: the latest age of automation are examined in Ernest Havemann's in leather accessories; and a guide to the gustatory glories of Computers—Their Scope Today and Max Gunther's Comput- the English breakfast. In addition to The New Wave Makers, ers—Their Built-in Limitations. Havemann began work on our pictorials include an uncensored preview of The Fox, his article the day after sending two manuscripts to his editor the Mark Ryden–directed film version—starring Anne — a volume on birth control and a college psychology text. He Heywood, Keir Dullea and Sandy Dennis—of D. H. Law- found his subject "a refreshing change not only from contra- rence's probing tale of awakening libidos and erotic libera- ceptives and conditioned reflexes but also from horse racing. tion: plus an unhurried rendezvous with our statuesque the subject of my last PLAYBOY piece" (June 1967). Gunther October Playmate, Reagan Wilson. Altogether, a tidal wave —author of The Sonics Boom in last May's issue—augmented of delights from our own estimable gang of wave makers. 3

NORDEN GREEN MAILER RUSSELL

On February 17, 1967, the New him "pegged as the getaway pilot in an Shaw, a wealthy New Orleans business- Orleans States-Item broke a story that elaborate plot to kill Kennedy." Ferrie, a man and real-estate developer, on would electrify the world—and hurl bizarre figure who wore a flaming-red charges of conspiring to assassinate. John district attorney Jim Garrison into a wig, false eyebrows and make-up to con- F. Kennedy. One of New Orleans' most bitter fight for his political life. An enter- ceal burns he had suffered years before, prominent citizens, .Shaw was a founder prising reporter, checking vouchers filed denied any involvement in a conspiracy and director of the city's prestigious with the city by the district attorney's to kill the President. Garrison, he said, International Trade Mart from 1947 office, discovered that Garrison had spent was out to frame him. Four days later, to 1963, when he retired to devote his over $8000 investigating the assassina- Ferrie was found dead in his shabby tion of President Kennedy. "Has the time to 'skywriting and restoring his- three-room apartment in New Orleans, district attorney discovered valuable toric homes in the old French Quarter. ostensibly of natural causes—though he The day after Shaw's arrest, Garrison additional evidence," the States-Item left behind two suicide notes. asked editorially, "or is he merely saving declared that "Shaw was none other some interesting new information that The press had greeted Garrison's ini- than Clay Bertrand," the shadowy will gain for him exposure in a national tial claims about a conspiracy with a queen bee of the New Orleans homo- magazine?" Stung, Garrison counter- measure of skepticism, but Ferrie's death sexual underworld, who, according to attacked, confirming that an inquiry into was front-page news around the world. attorney Dean Andrews' testimony be- Kennedy's asinisination was under way Garrison broke his self-imposed silence fore the Warren Commission, called and charging that the Stuns-Item's "irre- to charge that Ferrie was "a man who, in him the day after the assassination and sponsible" revelation "has now created a my judgment, was one of history's most asked him to rush to Dallas to defend problem for us in finding witnesses and important individuals." According to Oswald. Shaw heatedly denied his guilt: getting cooperation from other witnesses Garrison, "Mr. Ferrie was one of those "I never heard of any plot and I never and in at least one case has endangered individuals I had in mind when I said used any alias in my life." But New Or- the life of a witness." there would be arrests shortly. We had leans society, which had long counted On February 18, newsmen from all reached a decision to arrest him early Shaw one of its own, was stunned. over the world converged on New Orleans next week. Apparently we waited too On March 14, a panel of three judges to hear Garrison announce at a press long," But Garrison vowed that Ferric's heard Garrison's case in a preliminary conference: "We have been investigat- death would not halt his investigation, hearing to determine if there was ing the role of the city of New Or- and added, "My staff and I solved the enough evidence against Shaw to bring leans in the assassination of President auassination weeks ago. I wouldn't say him to trial. Perry Raymond Russo, a 25- Kennedy, and we have made some this if we didn't have the evidence year-old life-insurance salesman from progress-1 think substantial progress. ... beyond a shadow of a doubt. We know Baton Rouge who had once been Ferrie's What's more, there will be arrests." As the key individuals, the cities involved "roommate," testified that in mid-Septent. reporters flashed news of Garrison's and how it was done." bee of 1963, he had attended a meeting statement across the world, a 19-year-old On March 1. Garrison eclipsed even the at Ferrie's apartment where Shaw, Lee New Orleans pilot, David Ferric, told headlines from his previous press confer- Harvey Oswald and Ferrie discussed newsmen that the district attorney had ence by announcing the arrest of Clay means of assassinating the President in a

"To read the press accounts of my investi- "A number of the men who killed the "President Kennedy was killed for one gation, I'm a cross between Al Capone President were former employees of the reason: because he was working for a rec- and Attila the Hun—bribing, threaten- CIA involved in its anti-Castro under- onciliation with the U.S.S.R. and Castro's ing innocent men, Anybody who employs ground activities in the New Orleans area. Cuba. His assassins were a group of fa- those methods should be disbarred." The CIA knows their identity. So do I." natic anti-Communists and Cuban exiles." 59

ec. ozoi2 P.4,4 (p PLAYBOY INTERVIEW: JIM GARRISON a candid conversation with the embattled district attorney of new orleans

PI "triangulation of cross fire." Garrison's poll of Alay 20 revealed that 66 percent Nerve OrleansMS to work as an assistant O second witness, Vernon Bundy, a 29- of the American public now believes district attorney until 1961. when he re- year-old former narcotics addict, testified there rums a conspiracy to assassinate signed with a scorching attack on Alayor N that in the summer of 1963, he saw Shaw Kennedy. and "a major contributor to Victor H. Wire,. whom he charged with Pi pass a sum of money to Lee Harvey Os- this swelling doubt is the investigation corruption and failure to rigorously en. wahl on the shore of Lahr Ponfchnr- into the assassination by New Orleans force the law. train. On March 17, after a four-day district attorney lint Garrison." Even Garrison mitered the race for district hearing, Judges Alnico t'. O'Hara, with public opinion on his side, Garrison all rn ry as a fiercely solemn promising Pa Bernard J. Avert and Al es Wien, S. Brn- was running into difficulties on several reform candidate, lainbristing the "po- o, ruled there was milli rem mildewy to fronts by early xurnnwr. There witnesses lit hal machine' of ;11a Or \Chili() and hold Clay Stowe fin trial. Garrison's band he wished to question about their com- churecterizing the incumbent district was further J./mug:hi-Heel on Alnreh 32, plicity in the assassination had fled Loui- attorney. Richard Dowling, as -the great when a 12-member grand jury of promi- siana, and he was unable to obtain their emancipator—he let everybody go free." nent New Orleans citizens, emponeled to extradition to New Orleans—a seldom- Garrison. six feet, six, and 210 pounds, hear Garrison's case, also ruled there encountered roadblock Ire credits to the was quickly dubbed the "Jolly Green were sufficient grounds to bring Shaw to CIA, "which knows that smite of its Giant." He had no political organization court. Pending trail—which is scheduled former employers were involved in the and not much money, but his personal to begin sometime this month—Shaw Kennedy assassination and is doing tring,netism and ref +oat to ram promise was allowed to go free on 510.000 everything possible to frustrate my in- appeared to the. New Oilcans elector- The American press remained dubious vestiotion in order to preserve the ate. He defeated Dowling handily and about Garrison's ability to prove his Agency's good name." The. CIA refuses promptly began ronvirting men on charges in court, and domestic coverage to comment on Garrison's charges. charges his predecessor hod dropped. of and commentary on the district attor- Garrison teas also under heavy fire Garrison's five years as district attorney's case thereafter was, at best, low-key over the improper methods allegedly em- ney have been stormy. He outraged —at worst, contemptuous. But as News- ployed by his staff. The most blistering many of his former supporters in site week reported on March 20, "In Europe, indictment of his probe. was an NBC business communstity by launching a where thousands still cling to the con- television special on June 19. rheirging campnign against vice on Bourbon spiracy theory in spite of the Warren that Garrison's investigators had tried to Street, charging Ora 11-girls Terre merci- Commission's conclusion that Lee Har- bribe three potential witnesses—Alvin lessly fleecing naive tourists, Garrison vey Oswald acted alone . . . Garrison Beauboettf, Miguel Torres rand Fred tre- cleaned up Bilurbm, Street himself, per- and his investigation have been the .stuff mens—to testify against Show; that Gar- sonally padlocking many honky-tonks of page-one headlines." "l'm encouraged rison's staff had attempted to inelme and striptease clubs. But his toughest by the support Europe is bringing me," burglar, John Cannler, to plant false evi- fight—until the current one—came in he told a Paris-Match reporter. "livery dence in Clay Shoe's home; and that 1962, when lie announced that the re- day, I receive letters and telegrams from Garrison had allowed Perry RIM() el a d fusal of the city's eight criminal-court all the capitols. I've even had six tele- Vernon Bundy to testify against Shaw judges to approve funds for his in- phone calls from Moscow?' One was from even though they had previously failed vestigations of organized rrime "raised Literatarnaya Guzeta, a prestigious Mos- lie-detector tests. NBC added that its in- interesting questions about racketeer in- row literary magazine, which ran an investigators had also unearthed the real fluences?' The judges promptly charger! terview with Garrison concluding that "clay Bertrand": and though NBC didn't Garrison with defamation of character there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy name him, it said that lir was not Clay and criminal libel—and a state court but that Oswald "definitely wasn't the Shaw. Subsequently. NBC might have fined him 51000. Garrison appealed key figure in it." had second thoughts about its expired, for the case all the way to the Supreme Garrison also had his supporters in the the network granted Garrison an unprece- Court, and on November 23, 1964, in a , U. S. Boston's Richard Cardinal Cushing, dented 30 minutes of prime Saturday landmark decision on tier right to criti- father-confessor to the Kennedy family, evening lime to rebut its own findings. cize public officials, the nation's highest Garrison charged that the three wit- said of the New Orleans probe on March tribune,' reversed his conviction, contend- nesses who claimed his aids hail tried to 16: "I think they should follow it through. ing that "speech concerning public affairs bribe them were perjurers. He- also de- is more than .self-expression; it is the . . . I never believed that the assassina- nied that his office had approached John essence of self-government." Never one tion was the work of one man." And Gander to burglarite Shaw's home, and to turn the other cheek, Garrison sub- Representative. Roman Pneinski. nn stated flatly that bath Russo and Bundy Illinois Democrat, said: "Tut surprised laid passed their pnlygrnph tests. On the sequently employed his political influence more attention hasn't been paid lo the key point of the "real" Clay Bertrand, to unseat a number of the judges when ruling that Clay Shaw go on trial for par- Grarthan said that he knew the identify they came up for re-election. ticipating in a plot to assassinate Presi- of the individual NBC teas (Hiking about The district attorney's independence dent Kennedy. These aren't flirts but and that he was definitely not the mnn has at times nettled bath left and right in three judges talking. It's a new ball who called attorney Oran Andrews to New Orleans. When the police depart- game." Senator Russell Long of Louisi- gain legal aid for Lee Harvey Oswald. ment tried to prosecute a bookdcaler for ana also backed up Garrison—an old po- Undismayed—and undetetTed—by all selling James Bnidwitt's "Another Coun- litical ally—contending that he was only the charges anti countercharges, Garri- try," Garrison stepper( in with a broad- doing "what a district attorney should son still says, "We are going to win this side against censorship and won the do?' Anti perennial Warren Report critic care, and anyone who bets against us is mast's release—promptly bringing down Mark Lane (himself a PLAYam inter- going to lose his money." The embattled on his head the wrath of the local White viewee last February), whose best-.selling district attorney may be overconfident, Citizens Council. At the other end of the "Rush to Judgment" helped persuade but he has a history of winning every political .spectrum, he has been criticized Garrison to launch his investigation, said fight he starts. Born in Dennison, Iowa, by the liberal American Civil Liberties after a conference with Garrison in New on November 20, 1921, Garrison flew an Union, which once accused him of try- Orleans that the D. A.'s probe would unarmored spotter plane for the artillery ing an alleged rapist "in the press rather "break the entire case wide open." in France and Germany during World than in the courtroom." But Negro If nothing else, Garrison was certainly War Two and then attended Turbine leaders in the city say Garrison has been a fair and impartial district attorney: in 60 electing public opinion. A Louis Harris University Law School. Hr then went to his last bid for re-election, he polled as to believe that where there's smoke, unprecedented step in jurisprudence; in- 0 well in the Negro precincts as he did in there's fire—although I find it difficult to stead, the press turned around and hinted the white. believe that the public will put much that we had drugged our witnesses or 04 The years 1965 and 1966 were—by credence in MOM. of the dastardly deeds given them posthypnotic suggestions to Garrison's sfandards—rrlatittety quiet. I've been accused of in the past few testify falsely. Alter arresting Mr. Shaw, His only major public controversy during months. Just recently. for example. the we filed a motion for a preliminary hvar- a this period flared up when he interceded rumor Went around that my staff was ing—a proceeding that essentially oper- with Louisiana Governor John McKeith- peddling marijuana to high school stu- ates in the defettdatit's favor. Such a en to win a pardon for a local stripper dents and that one of our major witnesses hearing is generally requested by the named Linda Birgette, who had been had just confessed that his testimony was defense, and it was virtually unheard of convicted on a charge of lewd dancing. based on a dream induced by an overdose that the motion be filed by the state, Garrison claimed it was impossible to of LSD. We've also been accused of which under the law has the right to define obscenity in literature or the arts planning an attack on the local FBI charge it defendant outright, without any and argued that failing Miss Birgette office with guns loaded with red pepper, evaluation by a judge of the pending would be a "grass miscarriage of jus- having stolen money from our own in- charges. But I felt that because of the tice." MeKeithen acceded to his pleas vestigative files and having threatened to enormity of this accusation, we should ea and, despite cries of protest from local shoot one witness in the derriere with an lean over backward and give the defend- bluenoses, the incident served to in- exotic gun propelling truth-serum darts. ant every chance. A three-judge panel crease Garrison's popularity. I just hope they never find out about my heard our evidence against Mr. Shaw and The same could hardly be said of his involvement in the Boston Ilrinks rob- his attorneys' rebuttals and ordered him current probe, which has made him both bery. I must admit, however, that I'm indicted for conspiracy to assassinate the a target for abuse—justified or other- beginning to worry about the cumulative President. And I might add here that it's wise—that has tended to obscure rather effect of this propaganda blitzkrieg on a matter of record that my relationship than clarify the issues involved in the potential jurors for the trial of Clay with the judiciary of our fair city is not investigation, and a victim of often one- Shaw. I don't know how long they can a Damon-Pythias camaraderie. Once the sided press coverage that NBC's half withstand the drumbeat obbligato of judges had handed down their decision, hour of equal time has done little to rec- charges exonerating the defendant and we could have immediately filed a charge tify. In PLAYBOY'S opinion, Garrison has convicting the prosecutor. For months against the defendant just by signing it not yet had the chance to present his now, the establishment's artillery units and depositing it with the city clerk—the side of the case—in court or out—with- have been pounding away at the two customary method of charging a defend- out expurgation or editorializing. We themes NBC focused on—that my office ant. Nevertheless, out of concern for feel he ought to have that chance. uses "improper methods" with regard to Mr. Shaw's rights, we voluntarily pre- Toward this end, in mid-July, we ap- witnesses and that we don't really have a sented the case to a blue-ribbon grand proached the embattled district attorney case against Mr. Shaw and he should jury. If this grand jury had failed to in- with our offer of an impartial, open- never be brought to trial. I hope you'll dict Mr. Shaw, our case would have been ended interview. The 12-hour crew- give me the chance to answer each of dead as a doornail. But the grand jury, examination that followed—in the midst these charges in detail; but first, let me composed of 12 eminent New Orleans of Garrison's round-the-clock investigation elaborate a bit on the methods we employ citizens, heard our evidence and indicted —was conducted in the living room of in this or any other investigation. My the defendant for participation in is con- the two-story home he shares with his office has been one of the most scrupulous spiracy to assassinate John Kennedy. In a blonde wife and three young children in in the country with regard to the protec- further effort to protect the rights of the a tree-lined residential neighborhood of tion of individual rights. I've been on New Orleans. As the dog-tired district defendant, and in the face of the endless- record for years in law journals and ly reiterated accusation that we have no attorney stretched his long legs across a books as championing the rights of the couch, battered briar pipe (a political case against him—despite the unanimous individual against the oppressive power verdict of the grand jury and the judges trademark) in one hand, a vodka martini of the state. My office moved in and at the preliminary hearing—I have studi- this favorite drink) in the other, PLAYBOY prevented police seizure from bookstores ously refrained from making any public interviewer Brie Norden began by asking of books arbitrarily labeled "obscene." I statement critical of the defendant or pre- him to answer the most damaging charges intervened and managed to persuade the of his critics. Louisiana legislature to remove a pro- judging his guilt. Of course, this puts me vision from its new code of criminal pro- at a considerable disadvantage when the PLAYSOY; You have been accused—by press claims I have no case against him, the National Broadcasting Company, cedure that would allow judges to reach out from the bench and cite newsmen for because the only way I could convince Newsweek, the New Orleans Metropoli- them of the strength of my case is to tan Crime Commission and your own contempt if they penned anything em- barrassing to the judges, My office has throw open our files and let them exam- former investigative aide William Gur- investigated cases where we had already ine the testimony of all our witnesses. vich—of attempts to intimidate witnesses. obtained convictions; and on discovering Apart from the injustice such an act of engaging in criminal conspiracy and War, "3 would do Mr. Shaw, it could get our of inciting to such felonies as perjury, new evidence indicating that the defendant was not guilty, we've obtained a out of court on the criminal defamation and public bribery. whole case thrown reversal of the verdict. In over five years How do you respond to these charges? grounds that we had prejudiced the de- of office. I have never had a single case GARRISON: I've stopped beating my fendant's rights by pretrial publicity. So wife. All the charges you enumerate reversed because of the use of improper I won't fall into that particular trap, have been made with one purpose in methods—a record match with any whatever the provocation. I only wish mind—to place our office on the defen- other D. A, in the country. In this par- the press would allow our case to stand sive and make us waste valuable time ticular case, I've taken unusual steps to or fall on its merits in court. It appears answering allegations that have no basis protect the rights of the defendant and that certain elements of the mass media in fact. Also involved is a psychological assure him a fair trial- Before we intro- have an active interest in preventing this by-product valuable to those who don't duced the testimony of our witnesses, case from ever coming to trial at all and want the truth about Kennedy's assassi- we made them undergo independent veri- find it necessary to employ against me nation to become known: The very repe- fying LeSO, including polygraph exami- every smear device in the book. To read tition of a charge lends it a certain nation, truth serum and hypnosis. We the press accounts of my investigation— 62 credibility, since people have a tendency thought this would be hailed as an my "circus," I should say—I'm a cross 04.

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Pr between Al Capone and Attila the Hun, also be bought by the other side. So —both failed polygraph tests prior to 0 ruthlessly hounding innocent men. tram- it's rather naive, apart from being ethi- their testimony before the grand jury. Iii phog their legal rights, bribing and cally objectionable, to assume that our the case of Russo. who claimed to have threatening witnesses and in general vio- investigators travel around the country attended a meeting at David Ferries Ot lating every anion of legal ethics. My with bags of money trying to bribe wit- apartment where Shaw, Oswald and God, anybody who employs the kind of nesses to lie on the winless stand. We just Ferric plotted the assassination. NBC metIttxts that elements of the news media don't operate that way. 'fist hi said that "Russo's answers to a series of attribute to me should not only not be a PLAYBOY: On an NBC television special, questions indicate, in the language of Pt district attorney, he should be disbarred. "The J.F.K. Conspiracy: The Case of Jim the polygraph operator. 'deception cri- This case has taught me the difference Garrison." a former Turkish-bathhouse teria.' He was asked if he knew Clay t between image and reality, and the operator in New Orleans. Fred LeC111;110, Shaw. He was asked if he knew Lee power of the mythrnakers. But I know claimed that one of your aides offered I've done everything possible to conduct him money to testify that Clay Shaw had Harvey Oswald. His 'ytz' answer to both this investigation with honesty and in- frequented his establishment with Lee of these questions indicated 'deception' tegrity and with full respect for the civil Harvey Oswald, Do you also deny this criteria.'" Did Bundy and Russo fail', rights of the defendant. But a blanket charge? their lie-detector tests? denial of charges against me isn't going GARRISON: Yes; and it's a perfect illus- GARRISON: No, and NBC's allegations in to convince anyone, so why don't we tration of the point I was just making this area are about as credible as its consider them one by one? about how easy it is for the other side other charges. The men who adminis- PLAYBOY: All right. The May 15th issue to buy witnesses and their charge is tered both polygraph tests flatly deny of Newsweek charged that two of your with its own misconduct. Mr. Leematts that Russo and Bundy failed the test. investigators offered David Ferrie's former came to is in early May, volunteering I'll offer right now to make Russo's and roommate, Alvin Beauboeuf, $30110 and testimony to the effect that he had often Bundy's polygraph tests accessible to any an airline job if he would help sub- seen a man named Clay Bertrand in his reputable investigator or reporter the day stantiate your charges against Clay Shaw. bathhouse, sometimes accompanied by Clay Shaw's trial begins; 1 can't do it rP11:t.'' How do you answer this accusation? men he described as "Latins." Its a sworn before that, because I'm restrained from GARRISON: hlr. Beauboeuf was one of affidavit, Leemans said he had also seen releasing material pertaining to Shaw's the two men who accompanied David a young man called Lee with Bertrand guilt or innocence. Just for your informa- Ferrie on a mysterious trip from New on four or five occasions—a mart who fits tion, though, the veracity of Bundy and Orleans to Texas on the day of the assas- the description of Lee Harvey Oswald. Russo has been affirmed not only through sination. so naturally we were interested Leemans also identified the Clay Ber- in him from the very start of our investi- trand who had frequented his establish- polygraph tests but through hypnosis and gation. At first he showed every willing. ment as Clay Shaw. Now, this was the administration of sodium arnytal- ness to cooperate with our office; but after important testimony, and initially we truth serum. I want to make a proposi- Ferries death, somebody gave him a free were favorably impressed with Mr. Lee- tion to the president of NBC: If this nip to Washington. From that moment mans. But then we started receiving calls charge is true, then I will resign as an, a change came over Beauboeuf; he Irons him demanding money. Well, I've district attorney of New Orleans. If it's refused to cooperate with us any further told you our policy on this, and the an- untrue, however, then the president of and he made the charges against my swer was a flat no. He was quiet for a NBC should resign. Just in case he thinks investigators to which you refer. Fortu- while and then lie called and asked if we I'm kidding. I'm ready to meet with him nately. Beauboeuf had signed an affidavit would approve if he sold his story to a at any time to select a mutually accept- on April 12th—well after the alleged magazine, since he badly needed motley. able committee to determine once and bribe offer was supposed to have been We refused to give him such approval. for all the truth or falsehood of this made—affirming that "no representative Apparently, the National Broadcasting charge. In all fairness, however, 1 must of the New Orleans Parish district attor- Company was able to establish a warmer add that the fact Bundy and Russo passed ney's office has ever asked me to do any- relationship with Mr. Leemans. In any their polygraph tests is not, in and of it- thing but to tell the truth. Any inference case. he now says that he didn't really lie self, irrefutable proof that they were tell- or statement by anyone to the contrary to us; he just "told us what he thought ing the truth; that's why we administered has no basis in fact." As soon as his we wanted to hear." I'm sure he was the other tests. The lie detector isn't a attorney began broadcasting his charges, equally cooperative with NBC—although we asked the New Orleans police de- he's beginning to spread his favors foolproof technique. A man well re- partment to thoroughly investigate the around. When a reporter asked him hearsed and in complete control of him- matter. And on June 12th, the police for more information after the broadcast. self can master those reactions that department—which is not, believe me, Leemans refused, explaining that he was would register on the polygraph as de- in the pocket of the district attorney's saving himself for the Associated Press, ception criteria and get away with office—released a report concluding that "since I want to make something out of blatant lies, while someone who is ex• exhaustive investigation by the police in- this." I would like to make one personal tremely nervous and anxiety-ridden could telligence branch had cleared my staff of remark about Mr. Leemans. I don't tell the truth and have it register as a lie. any attempt to bribe or threaten Beau- know if he was lying to us initially or not Much also depends on who administers boeuf into giving untrue testimony. There —though I suspect from other evidence the test, since it can easily be rigged. For was no mention of this report, predicta- in my possession that his statement as he example. Jack Ruby took a lie-detector bly enough. in Newsweek. Let me make first gave it was accurate—but anybody, test for the Warren Commission and told one thing clear, though: Like every po- no matter what his financial straits, who lie after outright lie—even little lies that lice department and district attorney's tries to make a fast buck off the assassi- could be easily checked—and yet the office across the country, we have sums nation of John Kennedy is several rungs Warren Commission concluded that he set aside to pay informers for valuable below the anthropoid ape on the evolu- passed the test. So the polygraph is only information—but we would never suborn tionary scale. one weapon in the arsenal we use CO perjury. This isn't because we're saints— PLAYBOY: On this same NBC show, verify a winless' testimony, and we have short cuts like that could be awfully newsman Frank McGee claimed that never considered it conclusive; we have tempting in a frustrating case—but be- NBC investigators had discovered that abundant documentation to corroborate cause we're realistic enough to know that your two key witnesses against Clay their stories. 64 any witness who can be bought by us can Shaw—Perry Russo and Vernon Bundy PLAYBOY: Two convicts, Miguel Torres and John Caneler. told NBC that Vernon PLAYBOY: The NBC special also claimed for years and have been seen [minent] Bundy admitted having lied in his testi- to have discovered that ''Clay. or Clem, his each other's company. Autism, li. molly linking Clay Shaw to Lee Oswald. Bertrand does exist. Clem Bertrand is tied so often and about so nanny :Islas( r Do you dismiss this as just another NBC not his real name. It is a pseudonym of this case that the New Orleans Parisit fabrication? used by a homosexual in New Orleans. grand jury has indicted him [or perju GARRISON: Mn.ess Caneler and Torres For his protection, we will not disclose I feel sorry for him. since he's afraid re' were both convicted by my office. as were the real name of the man known as getting a bullet in his heal, but he' almost half the men in the state peni- Clern Bertrand. His real name has been going, u: have to go to trial for perjuryf tentiary, and I'm sure the great majority given to the Department of Justice. He is [Andrews has since been convicted.] of diem have little love for the man who not Clay Shaw." Doesn't this undermine PLAYBOY: You expressed your reaction 0 sent them up. I don't know if they your entire case against Shaw? the NBC show in concrete terms on Jul: fabricated their stories in collusion with GARRISON: Your faith in NBC's veracity seventh, when you formally charged NVal is touching and indicates that the Age NBC or on their own for motives of ter Sheridan, the network's special hots of Innocence is not yet over. NBC does revenge, but I'm convinced from what tigator for the broadcast, with attempthe not have the real Clay Bertrand; the to bribe your witness Perry Russo. Di I know of Vernon Bundy that his . magi whose name NBC so melodramati- you really have a case against Sheridan testimony was truthful. NBC manipu- cally turned over to the Justice De- or is this just a form of haraiarnent? lated the statements of Caneler and partment is that of Eugene Davis, a New GARRISON: The reason we haven't lost a Torres to give the impre ion to the ss Orleans bar owner, who has firmly de- major case in over five years in office i;, viewer that lie was watching a trial on nied under oath that he has ever used that we do not charge a man unless wf television—my trial—and that these "oh- the name Clay, or Clem, Bertrand. We can make it stick in court. And I'm no jective" witnesses were saying exactly know from incontrovertible evidence in in the business of harassing atlybods what they would say in a court of law. our possession who the real Clay Bertrand Sheridan was charged because evidencr Actually—and NBC scrupulously avoided ia—and we will prove it in court. But to was brought to us indicating that It 0y.. revealing this to its audience—their "tes- make this whole thing a little clearer, let attempted to bribe Perry Russo by offerli:'" timony" was not under oath, there was no me tell you the genesis of the whole ing him free transportation to Californi \,.Psss Opportunity for cross-exaratuation or the "Clay Bertrand" story. A New Orleans free lodgings and a job once there, pay presentation of rebuttal witnesses, and the lawyer, Dean Andrews, told the Warren muss of all legal fees in any extradition statements of Gander, Torres and all the Commuanon that a few months before the proceedings and immunity from m l rest of NBC's road company were edited assassination of President Kennedy, Lee office. Mr. Russo has stated that Sheri so that toe public would hear may those Haney Oswald and a group of "gay dan asked his help "to wreck the Gam elements of their story that would dam- Mexacanas" Came to his office and re- son investigation" and "offered to set m i age our case. The rules of evidence and quested Andrews' aid in having Oswald's up in California. protect my job an t adversary procedure, I might add, have Marine Corps undesirable discharge guarantee that Garrison would neve r been developed over many years precisely changed to an honorable discharge; Os- get me extradited." According to Russo to prevent this kind of phony side show. wald subsequently returned alone with Sheridan added that both NBC and Oa Of course, these two convicts have been other legal problems. Andrews further CIA were out to scuttle my case. used against my office in a variety of re- testified that the day after President I think it's significant that the chief in spects. Miguel Torres also claims I offered Kennedy was assassinated, he received a vestigator for this ostensibly objective him a full pardon, a vacation in Florida call from Clay Bertrand, who asked broadcast starts telling people the day Is and an ounce of heroin if he would testi- him to rush to Dallas to represent Os- arrives in town that he is going to "de fy that Clay Shaw had made homosexual wald. Andrews claims he subsequently saw stroy Garrison"—this at the same timri overtures to him on the street. What on Bern-anal in a New Orleans bar, but he is unctuously assuring me that NB( earth that would have established rele- Bertrand fled when Andrews approached wanted only the truth and he had an en . vant to this case I still don't know, but him. This was intriguing testimony, al- tirely open mind on my case. Let me tel " that's his story. I think it was actually though the Warren Commission dis- you something about Walter Sheridan' rather cheap of me to offer Torres only missed it out of hand; and in 196-1, background, and maybe you'll understainf an ounce of heroin; that wouldn't have Mark Lane traveled to New Orleans his true role in all this. Sheridan was on lasted out his vacation. A kilo would be to speak to Andrews. He found him of the bright, hard young investigator more like it. After all, I'm not stingy. "vilibly frightened. "1'11 take you to din- who entered the Justice Department un. Torres' friend John Gander, a burglar, ner," Andrews told Lane, "but I can't der Bobby Kennedy. He was assigned us has also charged that one of my investi- talk about the case. I called Washington nail Jimmy Hoffa. Sheridan employed a gators tried to induce him to burglarize and they told me that if I said anything, wide variety of highly questionable tac- Clay Shaw's house and plant false evi- I might get a bullet in the head." For the tics in time Justice Department's relentle, dence there, but he refused because he same reason, he has refused to cooper- drive against Holfa; he was recently sub would not have such a heinous sin on his ate with my office in this investigation. poenaed to testify in connection with conscience. I suppose that's why Gander's The New York Times reported on Feb- charges that he wire-tapped the offices , prison nickname is "John the Baptist." I ruary 26th that "Mr. Andrews said he of Hoffa's associates and then played,- had not talked to Mr. Garrison can assure you, if we ever wanted to bur- , because back incriminating tapes to them, warn- suds talk might be dangerous, but ing that unless they testified for the Gov- glarize Shaw's home—which we never did added that he believed he was being ernment, they would be destroyed along —John the Baptist would be the last man 'tailed:" Andrews told our grand jury with Hoffa. A few years ago, Sheridan left on earth we'd pick for the job. By the way, that he could not say Clay Shaw was the Justice Department—officially, at least Mr. Gander was called before the grand Clay Bertrand and he could not say he —and went to work for NBC. No honest jury and asked if he had told die truth wasn't. But the day after NBC's special, reporter out for a story would have so to NBC. He replied: "1 refuse to answer Andrews broke his silence and said, yes. completely prejudged the situation anti, on the grounds that my answer might Clay Shaw is not Clem Bertrand and been willing to employ such tactics. I incriminate me"—and was promptly identified the real Clay Bertrand as think it's likely that in his zeal to destroy sentenced to six months in prison and Eugene Davis. The only trouble is, An- my case, he exceeded the authority 66 a $500 fine for contempt of court. drews and Davis have known each other granted him by NBC's executives in New

and John Caneler. told NBC that Vernon PLAYBOY: The NBC special also claimed for years and have been seen [minent] Bundy admitted having lied in his testi- to have discovered that ''Clay. or Clem, his each other's company. Autism, li. molly linking Clay Shaw to Lee Oswald. Bertrand does exist. Clem Bertrand is tied so often and about so nanny :Islas( r Do you dismiss this as just another NBC not his real name. It is a pseudonym of this case that the New Orleans Parisit fabrication? used by a homosexual in New Orleans. grand jury has indicted him [or perju GARRISON: Mn.ess Caneler and Torres For his protection, we will not disclose I feel sorry for him. since he's afraid re' were both convicted by my office. as were the real name of the man known as getting a bullet in his heal, but he' almost half the men in the state peni- Clern Bertrand. His real name has been going, u: have to go to trial for perjuryf tentiary, and I'm sure the great majority given to the Department of Justice. He is [Andrews has since been convicted.] of diem have little love for the man who not Clay Shaw." Doesn't this undermine PLAYBOY: You expressed your reaction 0 sent them up. I don't know if they your entire case against Shaw? the NBC show in concrete terms on Jul: fabricated their stories in collusion with GARRISON: Your faith in NBC's veracity seventh, when you formally charged NVal is touching and indicates that the Age NBC or on their own for motives of ter Sheridan, the network's special hots of Innocence is not yet over. NBC does revenge, but I'm convinced from what tigator for the broadcast, with attempthe not have the real Clay Bertrand; the to bribe your witness Perry Russo. Di I know of Vernon Bundy that his . magi whose name NBC so melodramati- you really have a case against Sheridan testimony was truthful. NBC manipu- cally turned over to the Justice De- or is this just a form of haraiarnent? lated the statements of Caneler and partment is that of Eugene Davis, a New GARRISON: The reason we haven't lost a Torres to give the impre ion to the ss Orleans bar owner, who has firmly de- major case in over five years in office i;, viewer that lie was watching a trial on nied under oath that he has ever used that we do not charge a man unless wf television—my trial—and that these "oh- the name Clay, or Clem, Bertrand. We can make it stick in court. And I'm no jective" witnesses were saying exactly know from incontrovertible evidence in in the business of harassing atlybods what they would say in a court of law. our possession who the real Clay Bertrand Sheridan was charged because evidencr Actually—and NBC scrupulously avoided ia—and we will prove it in court. But to was brought to us indicating that It 0y.. revealing this to its audience—their "tes- make this whole thing a little clearer, let attempted to bribe Perry Russo by offerli:'" timony" was not under oath, there was no me tell you the genesis of the whole ing him free transportation to Californi \,.Psss Opportunity for cross-exaratuation or the "Clay Bertrand" story. A New Orleans free lodgings and a job once there, pay presentation of rebuttal witnesses, and the lawyer, Dean Andrews, told the Warren muss of all legal fees in any extradition statements of Gander, Torres and all the Commuanon that a few months before the proceedings and immunity from m l rest of NBC's road company were edited assassination of President Kennedy, Lee office. Mr. Russo has stated that Sheri so that toe public would hear may those Haney Oswald and a group of "gay dan asked his help "to wreck the Gam elements of their story that would dam- Mexacanas" Came to his office and re- son investigation" and "offered to set m i age our case. The rules of evidence and quested Andrews' aid in having Oswald's up in California. protect my job an t adversary procedure, I might add, have Marine Corps undesirable discharge guarantee that Garrison would neve r been developed over many years precisely changed to an honorable discharge; Os- get me extradited." According to Russo to prevent this kind of phony side show. wald subsequently returned alone with Sheridan added that both NBC and Oa Of course, these two convicts have been other legal problems. Andrews further CIA were out to scuttle my case. used against my office in a variety of re- testified that the day after President I think it's significant that the chief in spects. Miguel Torres also claims I offered Kennedy was assassinated, he received a vestigator for this ostensibly objective him a full pardon, a vacation in Florida call from Clay Bertrand, who asked broadcast starts telling people the day Is and an ounce of heroin if he would testi- him to rush to Dallas to represent Os- arrives in town that he is going to "de fy that Clay Shaw had made homosexual wald. Andrews claims he subsequently saw stroy Garrison"—this at the same timri overtures to him on the street. What on Bern-anal in a New Orleans bar, but he is unctuously assuring me that NB( earth that would have established rele- Bertrand fled when Andrews approached wanted only the truth and he had an en . vant to this case I still don't know, but him. This was intriguing testimony, al- tirely open mind on my case. Let me tel " that's his story. I think it was actually though the Warren Commission dis- you something about Walter Sheridan' rather cheap of me to offer Torres only missed it out of hand; and in 196-1, background, and maybe you'll understainf an ounce of heroin; that wouldn't have Mark Lane traveled to New Orleans his true role in all this. Sheridan was on lasted out his vacation. A kilo would be to speak to Andrews. He found him of the bright, hard young investigator more like it. After all, I'm not stingy. "vilibly frightened. "1'11 take you to din- who entered the Justice Department un. Torres' friend John Gander, a burglar, ner," Andrews told Lane, "but I can't der Bobby Kennedy. He was assigned us has also charged that one of my investi- talk about the case. I called Washington nail Jimmy Hoffa. Sheridan employed a gators tried to induce him to burglarize and they told me that if I said anything, wide variety of highly questionable tac- Clay Shaw's house and plant false evi- I might get a bullet in the head." For the tics in time Justice Department's relentle, dence there, but he refused because he same reason, he has refused to cooper- drive against Holfa; he was recently sub would not have such a heinous sin on his ate with my office in this investigation. poenaed to testify in connection with conscience. I suppose that's why Gander's The New York Times reported on Feb- charges that he wire-tapped the offices , prison nickname is "John the Baptist." I ruary 26th that "Mr. Andrews said he of Hoffa's associates and then played,- had not talked to Mr. Garrison can assure you, if we ever wanted to bur- , because back incriminating tapes to them, warn- suds talk might be dangerous, but ing that unless they testified for the Gov- glarize Shaw's home—which we never did added that he believed he was being ernment, they would be destroyed along —John the Baptist would be the last man 'tailed:" Andrews told our grand jury with Hoffa. A few years ago, Sheridan left on earth we'd pick for the job. By the way, that he could not say Clay Shaw was the Justice Department—officially, at least Mr. Gander was called before the grand Clay Bertrand and he could not say he —and went to work for NBC. No honest jury and asked if he had told die truth wasn't. But the day after NBC's special, reporter out for a story would have so to NBC. He replied: "1 refuse to answer Andrews broke his silence and said, yes. completely prejudged the situation anti, on the grounds that my answer might Clay Shaw is not Clem Bertrand and been willing to employ such tactics. I incriminate me"—and was promptly identified the real Clay Bertrand as think it's likely that in his zeal to destroy sentenced to six months in prison and Eugene Davis. The only trouble is, An- my case, he exceeded the authority 66 a $500 fine for contempt of court. drews and Davis have known each other granted him by NBC's executives in New York. I get the impression that the majori- couldn't care less as long as I can shed tinned to wax enthusiastic about every ty of NBC executives probably thought O some light on John Kennedy's assassina- aspect of our case, and I have a 67=11 Sheridan's team came down here in an tion. As a matter of fact, after this last witnesses who will testify to that effect. uncompromising search for the truth. murderous year, I find myself thinking I guess this was something that should When Sheridan overstepped himself and more and more about returning to private have tipped me off about Bill: He was A it beame obvious that the broadcast was, life and having time to read again, to always enthusiastic. never doubtful or to say the least. not objective, NBC real- get out in the sun and hit a golf ball. ri cautionary, even when 1 or one of my ized it was in a touchy position. Cooler But before I do that, I'm going to break staff threw out a hypothesis that on heads prevailed and I was allowed to pre- thin C25e and let the public know the reflection we realized was wrong. And I sent our case to the American people. For truths. I won't quit before that day. I began to notice how he would pick my that, at least, I'm singularly grateful to wouldn't give the bastards the satisfaction. mind for every scrap of fact pertaining to Walter Sheridan. PLAYBOY: According to your own former the case. So I grew suspicious and took PLAYBOY: How do you respond to the chief investigator, William Gurvich, the him off the sensitive areas of the investi- charge of your critics—including NBC truth about the assassination has al- gation and relegated him to chauffeuring —that you launched this probe for politi- ready been published in the Warren Re- and routine clerical duties. This seemed cal reasons, hoping the attendant pub- port. After leaving your staff last June, to really bother him, and every clay he licity would be a springboard to a Senate lie announced, "If there is any truth would come into my office and pump me seat or to t1-e governorship? to any of Garrison's charges about there for information, complaining that he GARRISON: I'd have to be a terribly cyni- being a conspiracy, I haven't been able wasn't being told enough about the case. cal and corrupt man to place another to find it." When members of your own I still had nothing concrete against him human being on trial for conspiracy to staff have no faith in your case. how do and I didn't want to be unjust. but I murder the President of the United you expect the public to be impressed? guess my manner must have cooled States just to gratify my political ambi- GARRISON: First of all, I won't deny for perceptibly, because one day about two tion. But I guess there are a lot of people a minute that for at least three months I months before lie surfaced its Washing- around the country, especially a fter trusted Bill Gurvich implicitly. He was ton, Bill just vanished from our sight. NBC's attack, who think that's just the never my "chief investigator"—that's his And with him, I'm sorry to confess, van- kind of men I am. That rather saddens own terminology—because there was no ished a copy of our master file. How do me. I'm no Albert Schweitzer, but I such position on my staff while lie worked you explain such behavior? It's possible could never do a thing like that. I derive for me. But two days before Christmas that Bill joined us initially for reasons no pleasure from prosecuting a man, 1966, Gurvich, who operates a private of opportunism, seeing a chance to get even though I know he's guilty; do you detective agency, visited my office and told in at the beginning of an earth-shaking think I could sleep at night or look at me he'd heard of my investigation and ease, and subsequently chickened out myself in the mirror in the morning if I thought I was doing a wonderful job. He when he saw the implacable determina- hounded an innocent man? You know, I presented me with a beautiful color-TV tion of some powerful agencies to destroy always received much more satisfaction set and asked if he could be of use in any our investigation and discredit everyone as a defense attorney in obtaining an ac- capacity. Well, right then and there, I associated with it. But I really don't be- quittal for a client than I ever have as a should have sat back and asked myself a lieve Bill is that much of a coward. It's D. A. in obtaining a conviction. All my few searching questions—like how he had also possible that those who want to interests and sympathies tend to be on heard of my probe its die first place, since prevent an investigation learned early the side of the individual as opposed to only the people we were questioning and what we were doing and made a decision the state. So this is really the worst a few of my staff, as far as I knew, were to plant somebody on the inside of the charge that anyone could make against aware of what was going on at that time. investigation. Let me stress that I have no me—that in order to get my name in the We had been under way for only five secret documents or monitored telephone paper, or to advance politically, I would weeks, remember. And I should also calls to support this hypothesis; it just destroy another human being. This kind have recalled the old adage about seems to me the most logical explanation of charge reveals a good deal about the Greeks bearing gifts. But I was desper- for Bill's behavior. Let me put it this personality of the people who make it; to ately understaffed-1 had only six aides way: If you were in charge of the CIA impute such motives to another man is to available CO work on the assassination and willing to spend scores of millions of dollars on such relatively penny-ante imply you're harboring them yourelf. inquiry full time—and here comes a projects as infiltrating the National Stu- But to look at a different aspect of your trained private investigator offering his dents Association, wouldn't you make an question, I'm inclined to challenge the services free of charge. It was like a gift effort to infiltrate an investigation that whole premise that launching an investi- from the gods. So J set Gurvich to work; could seriously damage the prestige of gation like this holds any political advan- and for the next couple of months, he your agency? tages for me. A politically ambitious man did an adequate job of talking to wit- PLAYBOY: How could your probe dam- would hardly be likely to challenge the nesses, taking photographs, etc. But then, age the prestige of the CIA and cause massed power of the Federal Govern- around March, I learned that he had them to take countermeasures against ment mid criticize so many honorable been steing Walter Sheridan of NBC. you? figures and distinguished agencies. Actu- Well, this didn't bother me at first, be- GARRISON: For the simple reason that a ally, this charge is an argument in favor cause I didn't know then the role Sheri- number of the men who killed the Presi- of my investigation: Would such a slimy dan was playing in this whole affair. But dent were former employees of the CIA type, eager to profiteer on the assassina- after word got back to me from my wit- involved in its anti-Castro underground tion, jeopardize his political ambitions if nesses about Sheridan's threats and har- activities in and around New Orleans. he didn't have an ironclad case? If I were assment, I began keeping a closer eye on The CIA knows their identity. So do l- really the ambitious monster they paint Bill. I still didn't really think he was any and our investigation has established this me, why would I climb out on such a kind of a double agent, but I couldn't without the shadow of a doubt. Let me limb and then saw it off? Unless he had help wondering why he was rubbing stress one thing, however: We have no the facts, it would be the last thing a elbows with people like that. Now, don't evidence that any official of the CIA was politically ambitious man would do. I forget that Gurvich claims lie became involved with the conspiracy that led to was perfectly aware that I might have totally d'sgusted with our investigation the President's death. fs signed my political death warrant the at the time of Clay Shaw's arrest— PLAYBOY: Do you lend no credence, then, 68 moment I launched this case—but I yet for several months afterward he con- to the charges of a former CIA agent,

York. I get the impression that the majori- couldn't care less as long as I can shed tinned to wax enthusiastic about every ty of NBC executives probably thought O some light on John Kennedy's assassina- aspect of our case, and I have a 67=11 Sheridan's team came down here in an tion. As a matter of fact, after this last witnesses who will testify to that effect. uncompromising search for the truth. murderous year, I find myself thinking I guess this was something that should When Sheridan overstepped himself and more and more about returning to private have tipped me off about Bill: He was A it beame obvious that the broadcast was, life and having time to read again, to always enthusiastic. never doubtful or to say the least. not objective, NBC real- get out in the sun and hit a golf ball. ri cautionary, even when 1 or one of my ized it was in a touchy position. Cooler But before I do that, I'm going to break staff threw out a hypothesis that on heads prevailed and I was allowed to pre- thin C25e and let the public know the reflection we realized was wrong. And I sent our case to the American people. For truths. I won't quit before that day. I began to notice how he would pick my that, at least, I'm singularly grateful to wouldn't give the bastards the satisfaction. mind for every scrap of fact pertaining to Walter Sheridan. PLAYBOY: According to your own former the case. So I grew suspicious and took PLAYBOY: How do you respond to the chief investigator, William Gurvich, the him off the sensitive areas of the investi- charge of your critics—including NBC truth about the assassination has al- gation and relegated him to chauffeuring —that you launched this probe for politi- ready been published in the Warren Re- and routine clerical duties. This seemed cal reasons, hoping the attendant pub- port. After leaving your staff last June, to really bother him, and every clay he licity would be a springboard to a Senate lie announced, "If there is any truth would come into my office and pump me seat or to t1-e governorship? to any of Garrison's charges about there for information, complaining that he GARRISON: I'd have to be a terribly cyni- being a conspiracy, I haven't been able wasn't being told enough about the case. cal and corrupt man to place another to find it." When members of your own I still had nothing concrete against him human being on trial for conspiracy to staff have no faith in your case. how do and I didn't want to be unjust. but I murder the President of the United you expect the public to be impressed? guess my manner must have cooled States just to gratify my political ambi- GARRISON: First of all, I won't deny for perceptibly, because one day about two tion. But I guess there are a lot of people a minute that for at least three months I months before lie surfaced its Washing- around the country, especially a fter trusted Bill Gurvich implicitly. He was ton, Bill just vanished from our sight. NBC's attack, who think that's just the never my "chief investigator"—that's his And with him, I'm sorry to confess, van- kind of men I am. That rather saddens own terminology—because there was no ished a copy of our master file. How do me. I'm no Albert Schweitzer, but I such position on my staff while lie worked you explain such behavior? It's possible could never do a thing like that. I derive for me. But two days before Christmas that Bill joined us initially for reasons no pleasure from prosecuting a man, 1966, Gurvich, who operates a private of opportunism, seeing a chance to get even though I know he's guilty; do you detective agency, visited my office and told in at the beginning of an earth-shaking think I could sleep at night or look at me he'd heard of my investigation and ease, and subsequently chickened out myself in the mirror in the morning if I thought I was doing a wonderful job. He when he saw the implacable determina- hounded an innocent man? You know, I presented me with a beautiful color-TV tion of some powerful agencies to destroy always received much more satisfaction set and asked if he could be of use in any our investigation and discredit everyone as a defense attorney in obtaining an ac- capacity. Well, right then and there, I associated with it. But I really don't be- quittal for a client than I ever have as a should have sat back and asked myself a lieve Bill is that much of a coward. It's D. A. in obtaining a conviction. All my few searching questions—like how he had also possible that those who want to interests and sympathies tend to be on heard of my probe its die first place, since prevent an investigation learned early the side of the individual as opposed to only the people we were questioning and what we were doing and made a decision the state. So this is really the worst a few of my staff, as far as I knew, were to plant somebody on the inside of the charge that anyone could make against aware of what was going on at that time. investigation. Let me stress that I have no me—that in order to get my name in the We had been under way for only five secret documents or monitored telephone paper, or to advance politically, I would weeks, remember. And I should also calls to support this hypothesis; it just destroy another human being. This kind have recalled the old adage about seems to me the most logical explanation of charge reveals a good deal about the Greeks bearing gifts. But I was desper- for Bill's behavior. Let me put it this personality of the people who make it; to ately understaffed-1 had only six aides way: If you were in charge of the CIA impute such motives to another man is to available CO work on the assassination and willing to spend scores of millions of dollars on such relatively penny-ante imply you're harboring them yourelf. inquiry full time—and here comes a projects as infiltrating the National Stu- But to look at a different aspect of your trained private investigator offering his dents Association, wouldn't you make an question, I'm inclined to challenge the services free of charge. It was like a gift effort to infiltrate an investigation that whole premise that launching an investi- from the gods. So J set Gurvich to work; could seriously damage the prestige of gation like this holds any political advan- and for the next couple of months, he your agency? tages for me. A politically ambitious man did an adequate job of talking to wit- PLAYBOY: How could your probe dam- would hardly be likely to challenge the nesses, taking photographs, etc. But then, age the prestige of the CIA and cause massed power of the Federal Govern- around March, I learned that he had them to take countermeasures against ment mid criticize so many honorable been steing Walter Sheridan of NBC. you? figures and distinguished agencies. Actu- Well, this didn't bother me at first, be- GARRISON: For the simple reason that a ally, this charge is an argument in favor cause I didn't know then the role Sheri- number of the men who killed the Presi- of my investigation: Would such a slimy dan was playing in this whole affair. But dent were former employees of the CIA type, eager to profiteer on the assassina- after word got back to me from my wit- involved in its anti-Castro underground tion, jeopardize his political ambitions if nesses about Sheridan's threats and har- activities in and around New Orleans. he didn't have an ironclad case? If I were assment, I began keeping a closer eye on The CIA knows their identity. So do l- really the ambitious monster they paint Bill. I still didn't really think he was any and our investigation has established this me, why would I climb out on such a kind of a double agent, but I couldn't without the shadow of a doubt. Let me limb and then saw it off? Unless he had help wondering why he was rubbing stress one thing, however: We have no the facts, it would be the last thing a elbows with people like that. Now, don't evidence that any official of the CIA was politically ambitious man would do. I forget that Gurvich claims lie became involved with the conspiracy that led to was perfectly aware that I might have totally d'sgusted with our investigation the President's death. fs signed my political death warrant the at the time of Clay Shaw's arrest— PLAYBOY: Do you lend no credence, then, 68 moment I launched this case—but I yet for several months afterward he con- to the charges of a former CIA agent, •6.

J. Garrett Underhill, that there was a work of the Women's Christian Temper- aged man published without explanation" conspiracy within the CIA to assassinate ance Union Of the New Orleans Chamber or identification in the 26 volumes of the Kennedy? of Commerce. Warren Report. There's a significant story, GARRISON: I've become familiar with the PLAYBOY: That's hardly conclusive evi- behind Exhibit number 237. Throughoutt case of Gary Underhill, and I've been dence. the late summer and fall of 1961 L able to ascertain that he was not the GARRISON: I'd need a book to list all the Oswald was shepherded in Dallas atulv type of man to make wild or unsub- indications. But let's start with the fact New Orleans by a CIA "baby sitter" whoi stantiated charges. Underhill was an in- that most of the attorneys for the hostile watched over Oswald's activities and telligence agent in World War Two and witnesses and defendants were hired by stayed with him. My office knows who het an expert on military affairs whom the the CIA—through one or another of its is and what he looks like. Pentagon considered one of the country's covers. For example. a New Orleans PLAYBOY: Are you implying that Oswald. top authorities on limited warfare. He lawyer representing Alvin Beauboeuf, was working for the CIA? was on good personal terms with the top who has charged me with every kind of !::'.. brass in the Defense Department and unethical practice except child molesting GARRISON: Let me finish and you can the ranking officials in the CIA. He —I expect that allegation to come shortly decide for yourself. When Oswald went:, wasn't a full-time CIA agent, but he before Shaw's trial—flew with Beauboeuf to Mexico City in an effort to obtain A' occasionally performed "special assign. to Washington immediately after my visa for travel to Cuba, this CIA agents ments" for the Agency. Several days office subpoenaed him, where Beauboeuf accompanied him. Now, at this partic-- after the President's assassination, Under- was questioned by a "retired" intelligence War time, Mexico was the only Latin- hill appeared at the home of friends in officer in the offices of the Justice De- American nation maintaining diplomatici New Jersey, apparently badly shaken, partment. This trip was paid for, as are ties with Cuba, and leftists and Commu- and charged that Kennedy was killed by the lawyer's legal fees, by the CIA—in nists from all over the hemisphere traveled a small group within the CIA. He told other words, with our tax dollars. Another CO the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City for friends he believed his own life was in lawyer, Stephen Plotkin, who represents visas to Cuba. The CIA, quite properly.• danger. We can't learn any more from Gordon Novel [another of Garrison's key had placed a hidden movie camera in a Underhill, I'm afraid, because shortly witnesses], has admitted he is paid by the building across the street from the em- afterward, he was found shot to death in CIA—and has also admitted his client bassy and filmed everyone coming and his Washington apartment. The coroner is a CIA agent; you may have seen that going. The Warren Commission, knowing ruled suicide, but he had been shot be- story on page 96 of The New York this, had an assistant legal counsel ask the hind the left ear and the pistol was found Times, next to ship departures. Plotkin, FBI for a picture of Oswald and his com- under his left side—and Underhill was incidentally, sued me for $10,000,000 panion on the steps of the embassy, and right-handed. for defaming his client and sued a group the FBI, in turn, filed an affidavit saying PLAYBOY: Do you believe Underhill was of New Orleans businessmen financing they had obtained the photo in question, murdered to silence him? my investigation for $50.000,000—which from the CIA. The only trouble is that GARRISON: 1 don't believe it and I don't meant, in effect, that the CIA was suing the CIA supplied the Warren Commissionl disbelieve it. All I know is that witnesses us. As if they need the money. But my with vital evidence in this case are cer- attorney filed a motion for a deposition with a phony photograph. The photo- tainly bad insurance risks. In the absence to be taken from Novel, which meant that graph of an "unidentified man" pub- of further and much more conclusive evi- he would have to return to my juris- lished in the 26 volumes is not the man i dence to the contrary. however, we must diction to file his suit and thus be liable who was filmed with Oswald on the steps assume that the plotters were acting on for questioning in the conspiracy case. of the Cuban Embassy, as alleged by the their own rather than on CIA orders Rather than come down to New Orleans CIA. It's perfectly clear that the actual` when they killed the President. As far as and face the music, Novel dropped his picture of Oswald and his compassion we have been able to determine, they suit and sacrificed a possible $60,000,000 was suppressed and a fake photo sub- were not in the pay of the CIA at the time judgment. Now, there's a man of prin- stituted because the second man in the of the assassination—and this is one of ciple; he knows there are some things picture was working for the CIA in the reasons the President was murdered: more important than money. 1963, and his identification as a CIA I'll explain later what I mean by that. But PLAYBOY: Do you also believe Clay Shaw's agent would have opened up a whole the CIA could not face up to the Ameri- lawyers are being paid by the CIA? can of worms about Oswald's ties with can people and admit that its former em- GARRISON: I can't comment directly on the Agency. To prevent this, the CIA ployees had conspired to assassinate the that, since it relates to Shaw's trial. But presented the Warren Commission with President; so from the moment Kenne- I think the clincher, as far as Washing- fraudulent evidence—a pattern that re- dy's heart stopped beating, the Agency ton's obstruction of our probe goes, is the peats itself whenever the CIA submits attempted to sweep the whole conspir- consistent refusal of the Federal Govern- evidence relating to Oswald's possible acy under the rug. The CIA has spared ment to make accessible to us any in- connection with any U.S. intelligence neither time nor the taxpayers' money formation about the roles of the CIA. agency. The CIA lied to the Commission in its efforts to hide the truth about the anti-Castro Cuban exiles and the para. right down the line; and since the War- i assassination from the American people. military right in the assassination. There rem Commission had no investigative i In this respect, it has become an accessory is, without doubt, a conspiracy by ele- staff of its own but had to rely on after the fact in the assassination. ments of the Federal Government to keep the FBI. the Secret Service and the CIA • PLAYBOY: Do you have any conclusive the facts of this case from ever becoming for its evidence, it's understandable why evidence to support these accusations? known—a conspiracy that is the logical GARRISON: I've never revealed this be- extension of the initial conspiracy by the the Commission concluded that Oswald i fore, but for at least six months, my office CIA to conceal vital evidence from the had no ties with American intelligence and home telephones—and those of every Warren Commission. agencies. member of my staff—have been moni- PLAYBOY: What "vital evidence" did the PLAYBOY: What was the nature of these tored. If there is as little substance to this CIA withhold from the Warren Corn- ties? investigation as the press and the Govern- mission? GARRISON: That's not altogether clear. ment allege, why would anyone go to all GARRISON: A good example is Commis- at least insofar as his specific assign- that trouble? I leave it to your judgment sion Exhibit number 237. This is a ments are concerned; but we do have 70 if the monitoring of our phones is the photograph of a stocky, balding, middle- proof that Oswald was recruited by the •

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CIA in his Marine Corps days, when he CIA documents classified top secret in been attached to a State Departi O was mysteriously schooled in Russian the National Archives pertaining to Lee letter on Oswald's Russian stay. , and allowed to subscribe to Pravda. And Oswald and Jack Ruby. Technically, the fq tame back that the Agency was ter shortly before his trip to the Soviet members of the Commission had access sorry, but the secret memo had fizz. Ise Union, we have learned, Oswald was to them; but in practice, any document stroyed while being photocopied. 001 trained as an intelligence agent at the the CIA wanted classified was shunted unfortunate accident took place ot1 ' a CIA installation at Japan's Atsugi Air into the Archives without examination vember 23, 1963, a day oti which Force Base—which may explain why no by the sleeping beauties on the Conunis- must have occurred a great deal of )., disciplinary action was taken against him sion. Twenty-nine of these files arc of taneous combustion around ‘Vashitn• when he returned to the U.S. from particular interest, because their titles PLAYBOY: John A. McCone, forme; the Soviet Union, even though he had alone indicate that the CIA bad exten- rector of the Central Intelligence i supposedly defected with top-secret in- sive information on Oswald and Ruby cy. has said of Oswald: "The Al formation about our radar networks. before the assassination. A few of these never contacted him, interviewed The money he used to return to the U.S.. documents are: CD 347, "Activity of Os- talked with him or received or soli incidentally, was advanced to him by the wald in Mexico City": CD 1054. "Infor- any reports or information from hi State Department. mation on Jack Ruby and Associates"; communicated with him in any ma PLAYBOY: In an article for Ramparts, CD 692, "Reproduction of Official CIA Lee Harvey Oswald was never ex-1131 agent William Turner indicated Dossier on Oswald"; CD 1551, "Conver- ciated or connected directly or inch that White Russian refugee George De sations Between Cuban President and in any way whatsoever, with the Age Mohrenschildt may have been Oswald's Ambassador"; CD 698, "Reports of Trav- Why do you refuse to accept M CIA "baby sitter" in Dallas. Have you el and Activities of Oswald"; CD 943, word? found any links between the CIA and "Allegations of Pfc. Eugene Dinkin re GARRISON: The head of the CIA. it q Dc Mobrenschildt? Assassination Plot"; and CD 971. "Tele- to me, would think long and hard b GARRISON: I can't comment directly on phone Calls to U.S. Embassy, Canberra, he admitted that former employees r that, but George De Nlohrenschildt is cer- Australia, re Planned Assassination." had been involved in the murder tilM!‘,,'i. , tainly an enigmatic and intriguing char- The titles of these documents are all we President of the United States--ev '" ' acter. Here you have a wealthy, cultured have to go on, but they're certainly intri- they weren't acting on behalf White Russian dmigre' who travels in guing. For example, the public has heard Agency when they did it. In any the highest social circles—he was a per- nothing about phone calls to the U.S. the CIA's past record hardly in sonal friend of Mrs. Hugh Auchincloss, Embassy in Canberra, warning in ad- faith in the Agency's veracity. Jackie Kennedy's mother—suddenly de- vance of the assassination, nor have we officials lied about their role in the veloping an intimate relationship with been told anything about a Pfc. Dinkin throw of the Arbenz Guzman regia an impoverished ex-Marine like Lee Os- who claims to have knowledge of an as- Guatemala: they lied about their r wald. What did they discuss—last year's sassination plot. One of the top-secret the overthrow of Mossadegh in season at Biarritz, or how to beat the bank. files that most intrigues me is CD 931, they lied about their role in the abd at Monte Carlo? And Mr. De Islohren- which is entitled "Oswald's Access to In- military revolt against Sukarno in schildt has a penchant for popping up in formation About the U-2." I have 24 years they lied about the U-2 incident: the most interesting places at the most of military experience behind me, on ac- they certainly lied about the Bay of interesting times—for example, in Haiti tive duty and in the reserves, and I've If the CIA is ready to lie even aboi just before a joint Cuban exile–CIA ven- never had any access to the U-2; its fact, successes—as in Guatemala and 1r ture to topple Duvalier and use the island I've never seen one. But apparently this do you seriously believe its dir as a springboard for an invasion of Cuba; "self-proclaimed Marxist," Lee Harvey would tell the truth in a case as expl• and in Guatemala. another CIA training Oswald, who we're assured had no ties to as this? Of course, CIA officials gro ground, the day before the Bay of Pigs any Government agency, had access to in- used to lying, so steeped in deceit. invasion. We have a good deal more information about the nation's most secret after a while I think they really be formation about Oswald's CIA contacts high-altitude reconnaissance plane. Of in Dallas and New Orleans—most of incapable of distinguishing truth course, it may be that none of these CIA falsehood. Or, in an Orwellian hi which we discovered by sheer chance— files reveals anything sinister about Lee but there are still whole areas of inquiry perhaps they come to believe that Harvey Oswald or hints in any way that blocked from us by the CIA's refusal is what contributes to national sect; to he was employed by our Government. cooperate with our investigation. For and falsehood is anything detriment But then, why are the 51 CIA documents public consumption, the CIA claims not national security. John McCone la' to have been concerned with Oswald classified top secret in the Archives and swear he's a Croatian dwarf if prior to the assassination. But one thing inaccessible to the public for 75 years? I'm thought it would advance the inhere- is certain: Despite these pious protesta- 45, so there's no hope for me, but I'm al- the CIA—which he automatically eqi tions, the CIA was very much aware ready training my eight-year-old son to with the national interest. of Oswald's activities well before the keep himself physically fit so that on one PLAYBOY: Let's get down to the fac President's murder. In a notarized affi- glorious September morn in 2038 he can the assassination, as you see them. V' davit, State Department officer James D. walk into the National Archives in —and why—did you begin to clout/ hl Crowley states, "The first time I re- Washington and find out what the CIA conclusions of the Warren Report? member lear - g of Oswald's existence knew about Lee Harvey Oswald. If GARRISON: Until as recently as No was when I received copies of a tele- there's a further extension of the top- her of 1966, I had complete faith it graphic message from the Central In- secret classification, this may become a Warren Report. As a matter of is telligence Agency dated October 10, 1963, generational affair, with questions passed viewed its most vocal critics with, which contained information pertaining down from father to son in the manner same skepticism that much of the i to his current activities." It would cer- of the ancient runic bards. But some- now views me—which is why I am% tainly be interesting to know what the day, perhaps, we'll find out what Oswald demn the mass media too harshly for i CIA knew about Oswald six weeks be- was doing messing around with the U-2. cynical approach, except in the half fore the assassination, but the contents Of course, there are some CIA documents of cases where newsmen seem CO b of this particular message never reached we'll never see. When the Warren Com- active collusion with Washington to the Warren Commission and remain a mission asked to see a secret CIA memo pedo our investigation. Of course. 72 complete mystery. There are also 51 on Oswald's activities in Russia that had faith in the Report was groundec lo pi ignorance, since I had never read it: as Weisberg and Mark Lane—sparked my terest and asked us to turn the dues:: O Mark Lame says. "The only way you can general doubts about the assassination: over to them for questioning. We believe the Report is not to have read it." Taut more importantly, they lest me into but Ferric was released soon aftc' But then, in November, I visited New specific areas of impnry. After I realized and most or its report on him wa York City with Senator Russell Long; that something was seriously wrong, I allied top secret and secreted in di and when the subject of the assassination had no alternative but to face the fact noted Archives, where it will r t came up, he expressed grave doubts about a that Oswald had arrived in Dallas only a inaccessible to the public until Se the Warren Commission's conclusion that short time before the assassination and be 2038 A. o. No one, including m as Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin. that prior to that time he had lived in see those pages. Now, this disturbed me, because here was New Orleans for over six months, I be- PLAYBOY: Why do you believe di the Majority Whip of the U.S. Senate came curious about what this alleged report on Ferric is classified? speaking. not some publicity hound with assassin was doing while tinder my juris- GARRISON: For the same reason the ,. an ideological ax to grind: and if at this diction, and my staff began an investiga- dent's autopsy X rays and photo; late juncture he still entertained serious tion of Oswald's activities and contacts other vital evidence in this case ar reservations about the Commission's de- in the New Orleans area. We inter- sifted—because they would indica terminations, maybe there was more to viewed people the Warren Commission existence of a conspiracy. inv the assassination than met the eye. So I had never questioned, and a whole new former employees of the CIA, to kt began reading every book and magazine world began opening tip. As I studied President. article on the assassination I could get my Oswald's movements in Dallas, my mind PLAYBOY: When you resumed yot hands on—my tombstone may be in- turned back to the aftermath of the as- vestiption of Ferrie three years scribed "CURIOSITY alLLED THE D. A."— sassination in 1963. when my office ques- did you discover any new eviden t and I found my own doubts growing. tioned three men—David Ferrie, Alvin GARRISON: We discovered a whole ra Finally, I put aside all other business Beaubocuf and Melvin Coffey—on sus- nest of underground activity the( and started to wade through the Warren picion of being involved in the assassi- the CIA, elements of the param i Commission's own 26 volumes of sup- nation. I began to wonder if we hadn't right and militant anti-Castro portive evidence and testimony. That dismissed these three men too lightly, groups. We discovered links be ' was the clincher. It's impossible for any- and we reopened our investigation into David Ferric Lee °maid and one possessed of reasonable objectivity their activities. Ruby. We discovered, in short, arid a fair degree of intelligence to read PLAYBOY: Why did you become interested I had hoped not to find, despi t those 26 volumes and not reach the in Ferrie and his associates in November doubts about the Warren Commis ' conclusion that the Warren Commission 1963? the existence of a well-organized was wrong in every one of its major con- GARRISON: To explain that, I'll have to spiracy to assassinate John Kennt clarions pertaining to the assassination. tell you something about the operation conspiracy that came to fruition it For me, that was the end of innocence. of our office. I believe we have one of las on November 22, 1963, and in PLAYBOY: Do you mean to imply that the the best district attorney's offices in the David Ferrie played a vital role. Warren Commission deliberately con- country. We have no political appoint- PLAYBOY: Accepting for a moment cealed or falsified the facts of the ments and, as a result, there's a tremen- contention that there was a conspir. assassination? dous amount of esprit among our staff assassinate President Kennedy. has GARRISON: No, you don't need any ex- and an enthusiasm for looking into unan- been able to discover who was inn swered questions. That's why we got planation more sinister than incompe- —in addition to Ferrie—how i i tence to account for the Warren Report. together the day after the assassination done and why? Though I didn't know it at the time. and began examining our files and GARRISON: Yes, I have. President checking out every political extremist, the Commission simply didn't have all nett), was killed for one reason: bt the facts, and many of those they had religious fanatic and kook who had ever he was working for a reconciliation come to our attention. And one of the were fraudulent, as I've pointed out— the U.S.S.R. and Castro's Cub names that sprang into prominence was a. thanks to the evidence withheld and man- assassins were a group of fanatic that of David Ferrie. When we checked ufactured by the CIA. If you add to this Communists with a fusion of in the fact that most of the Commission him out, as we were doing with innu- in preventing Kennedy from achi members had already presumed Oswald's merable other suspicious characters, we discovered that on November 22nd he peaceful relations with the Co guilt and were merely looking for facts to nist world. On the operative level confirm it—and in the process tranquilize had traveled to Texas to go "cluck hunting" and "ice skating." Well, naturally, conspiracy, you find anti-Castro the American public—you'll realize why this sparked our interest. We staked out exiles who never forgave Kenned, the Commission was such a dismal failure. his house and we questioned his friends. failing to send in U.S. air cover :1 But in the final analysis, it doesn't make and when he came back—the first thing Bay of Pigs and who feared tha a damn bit of difference whether the he did on his return, incidentally, was to thaw following the Missile Crisis in C001111153i011 members were sincere pa- contact a lawyer and then hide out for ber 1962 augured the total frustrati triots or mountebanks: the question is the night at a friend's room in another their plans to liberate Cuba. Th whether Lee Oswald killed the President town—we pulled him and his two com- lieved sincerely that Kennedy ha alone and unaided; if the evidence panions in for questioning. The story of them out to the Communists. On a doesn't support that conclusion—and it Ferries activities that emerged was rather er, control level, you find a num doesn't—a thousand honorable men sit- curious. He drove nine hours through a people of ultra-right-wing persuas ting shoulder to shoulder along the banks furious thunderstorm to Texas, then ap- not simply conservatives, mind yot of the Potomac won't change the facts, parently gave up his plans to go duck. people who could be described as PLAYBOY: So you began your investiga- hunting and instead went to an ice- Nazi, including a small clique than tion of the President's assassination on skating rink in Houston and stood wait- defected from the Minutemen Ix nothing stronger than your own doubts ing beside a pay telephone for two hours; it considered the group "too lib, and the theories of the Commission's he never put the skates on. We felt his These elements had their canteens critics? movements were suspicious enough to and their guns loaded: they lacked GARRISON: No. please don't put words justify his arrest and that of his friends, a target. After Kennedy's do:' in my mouth. The works of the critics- and we took them into custody. When moves toward racial integration ani 74 particularly Edward Epstein, Harold we alerted the FBI, they expressed in- (continued on pagr-

lo pi ignorance, since I had never read it: as Weisberg and Mark Lane—sparked my terest and asked us to turn the dues:: O Mark Lame says. "The only way you can general doubts about the assassination: over to them for questioning. We believe the Report is not to have read it." Taut more importantly, they lest me into but Ferric was released soon aftc' But then, in November, I visited New specific areas of impnry. After I realized and most or its report on him wa York City with Senator Russell Long; that something was seriously wrong, I allied top secret and secreted in di and when the subject of the assassination had no alternative but to face the fact noted Archives, where it will r t came up, he expressed grave doubts about a that Oswald had arrived in Dallas only a inaccessible to the public until Se the Warren Commission's conclusion that short time before the assassination and be 2038 A. o. No one, including m as Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin. that prior to that time he had lived in see those pages. Now, this disturbed me, because here was New Orleans for over six months, I be- PLAYBOY: Why do you believe di the Majority Whip of the U.S. Senate came curious about what this alleged report on Ferric is classified? speaking. not some publicity hound with assassin was doing while tinder my juris- GARRISON: For the same reason the ,. an ideological ax to grind: and if at this diction, and my staff began an investiga- dent's autopsy X rays and photo; late juncture he still entertained serious tion of Oswald's activities and contacts other vital evidence in this case ar reservations about the Commission's de- in the New Orleans area. We inter- sifted—because they would indica terminations, maybe there was more to viewed people the Warren Commission existence of a conspiracy. inv the assassination than met the eye. So I had never questioned, and a whole new former employees of the CIA, to kt began reading every book and magazine world began opening tip. As I studied President. article on the assassination I could get my Oswald's movements in Dallas, my mind PLAYBOY: When you resumed yot hands on—my tombstone may be in- turned back to the aftermath of the as- vestiption of Ferrie three years scribed "CURIOSITY alLLED THE D. A."— sassination in 1963. when my office ques- did you discover any new eviden t and I found my own doubts growing. tioned three men—David Ferrie, Alvin GARRISON: We discovered a whole ra Finally, I put aside all other business Beaubocuf and Melvin Coffey—on sus- nest of underground activity the( and started to wade through the Warren picion of being involved in the assassi- the CIA, elements of the param i Commission's own 26 volumes of sup- nation. I began to wonder if we hadn't right and militant anti-Castro portive evidence and testimony. That dismissed these three men too lightly, groups. We discovered links be ' was the clincher. It's impossible for any- and we reopened our investigation into David Ferric Lee °maid and one possessed of reasonable objectivity their activities. Ruby. We discovered, in short, arid a fair degree of intelligence to read PLAYBOY: Why did you become interested I had hoped not to find, despi t those 26 volumes and not reach the in Ferrie and his associates in November doubts about the Warren Commis ' conclusion that the Warren Commission 1963? the existence of a well-organized was wrong in every one of its major con- GARRISON: To explain that, I'll have to spiracy to assassinate John Kennt clarions pertaining to the assassination. tell you something about the operation conspiracy that came to fruition it For me, that was the end of innocence. of our office. I believe we have one of las on November 22, 1963, and in PLAYBOY: Do you mean to imply that the the best district attorney's offices in the David Ferrie played a vital role. Warren Commission deliberately con- country. We have no political appoint- PLAYBOY: Accepting for a moment cealed or falsified the facts of the ments and, as a result, there's a tremen- contention that there was a conspir. assassination? dous amount of esprit among our staff assassinate President Kennedy. has GARRISON: No, you don't need any ex- and an enthusiasm for looking into unan- been able to discover who was inn swered questions. That's why we got planation more sinister than incompe- —in addition to Ferrie—how i i tence to account for the Warren Report. together the day after the assassination done and why? Though I didn't know it at the time. and began examining our files and GARRISON: Yes, I have. President checking out every political extremist, the Commission simply didn't have all nett), was killed for one reason: bt the facts, and many of those they had religious fanatic and kook who had ever he was working for a reconciliation come to our attention. And one of the were fraudulent, as I've pointed out— the U.S.S.R. and Castro's Cub names that sprang into prominence was a. thanks to the evidence withheld and man- assassins were a group of fanatic that of David Ferrie. When we checked ufactured by the CIA. If you add to this Communists with a fusion of in the fact that most of the Commission him out, as we were doing with innu- in preventing Kennedy from achi members had already presumed Oswald's merable other suspicious characters, we discovered that on November 22nd he peaceful relations with the Co guilt and were merely looking for facts to nist world. On the operative level confirm it—and in the process tranquilize had traveled to Texas to go "cluck hunting" and "ice skating." Well, naturally, conspiracy, you find anti-Castro the American public—you'll realize why this sparked our interest. We staked out exiles who never forgave Kenned, the Commission was such a dismal failure. his house and we questioned his friends. failing to send in U.S. air cover :1 But in the final analysis, it doesn't make and when he came back—the first thing Bay of Pigs and who feared tha a damn bit of difference whether the he did on his return, incidentally, was to thaw following the Missile Crisis in C001111153i011 members were sincere pa- contact a lawyer and then hide out for ber 1962 augured the total frustrati triots or mountebanks: the question is the night at a friend's room in another their plans to liberate Cuba. Th whether Lee Oswald killed the President town—we pulled him and his two com- lieved sincerely that Kennedy ha alone and unaided; if the evidence panions in for questioning. The story of them out to the Communists. On a doesn't support that conclusion—and it Ferries activities that emerged was rather er, control level, you find a num doesn't—a thousand honorable men sit- curious. He drove nine hours through a people of ultra-right-wing persuas ting shoulder to shoulder along the banks furious thunderstorm to Texas, then ap- not simply conservatives, mind yot of the Potomac won't change the facts, parently gave up his plans to go duck. people who could be described as PLAYBOY: So you began your investiga- hunting and instead went to an ice- Nazi, including a small clique than tion of the President's assassination on skating rink in Houston and stood wait- defected from the Minutemen Ix nothing stronger than your own doubts ing beside a pay telephone for two hours; it considered the group "too lib, and the theories of the Commission's he never put the skates on. We felt his These elements had their canteens critics? movements were suspicious enough to and their guns loaded: they lacked GARRISON: No. please don't put words justify his arrest and that of his friends, a target. After Kennedy's do:' in my mouth. The works of the critics- and we took them into custody. When moves toward racial integration ani 74 particularly Edward Epstein, Harold we alerted the FBI, they expressed in- (continued on pagr- aware of win"' awaits them if convicted, ning as early 11.1 I,YRo. PLAYBOY INTERVIEW 0 will be so effectively deterred that the To assume, finally, that castration crime of rape will be reduced almost to (continuer, 110115 page 711 N would serve as a deterrent is to assume extinction. that the rapist has a rational mind. Many attempts to forge a peaceful foreign poll- 1. 11 (Name withheld by request) rapists act in what psychiatrists call a cy, as exemplified by his signing of the 14 New York. New York fugue stale—warren. unsure of what Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, they found that 'argue. So both of these groups had Psychiatrists reject this proposal be- they are doing, much less of what the a vital stake in changing U.S. foreign policy— ',,, cause rapt is the art rer a sadist, erne of a consequences of their behavior will be. normal man with an excess of sexual ideological on the put of the para- Cruel and unusual punishments will no military rightists and both ideological energy. What needs to be changed is his more stop them than will eloquent and personal with the anti-Castro exiles, menial attitude. not his ability in have an preachments. "Rape will be reduced at- many of whom felt they would never sec erection; the average rapist is a man who Mali to extinction" only when a truly their homes again if Kennedy's policy of will walk past a house of prostitutimi, or rational society 1.4 evolved, in which (letenle was allowed to succeed. The leave a loving wrfe at home, to force children's sexual attitudes are not dis- CIA was involved with both of these • himself on a frightened and unwilling torted. Meanwhile, the only liftman,- way groups. In the New Orleans area, where because the creation of terror arid society can protect itself from the rapist the conspiracy was hatched, the CIA the am, of violence are the real gratifica- is to confine him, and the only humane was training a mixed bag of Minutemen, Cuban exiles and other anti-Castro ad- tions that he seeks. cure society has devised for the rapist- Clinical evidence .shows that castra- venturers north of Lake Pontchartrain imperfei t as it may br—is psychotherapy. for a foray into Cuba and an assassination is 100-percent effective in reducing don attempt on Fidel Castro. David Fer- erectile potency only if performed before "The Playboy Forum" offers the oppor- ric, who operated on the "command" puberty. When the operation is per- tunity for an extended dialog between level of the ultra-rightists, was deeply formed on adults, their ability to have an readers and editors of this publication involved in this effort. The CIA itself erection frequently will not wane for on subjects and issues raised in Hugh apparently did not take the Otrnit some time, often not for years. IVhether Al. Hefner's continuing editorial series, too seriously until the late summer of or not the castrated rapist retains his "The Playboy Philosophy." Four booklet 1963, because it maintained its financing potency, the desired results are seldom and training of anti-Castro adventurers. reprints of "The Playboy Philosophy," There was, in fact, a triangulation of achieved: If he is made impotent. he including installments 1-7, 8-12. 13-18 often shifts to nonsexual and therefore CIA-supported anti-Castro activity be- ' and 19-22, are available at 50¢ per book. more bizarre forms of assault: if he re- tween Dallas—where Jack Ruby was let. Address all rorrespondence on both involved in collecting guns and am- mains potent. he becomes more vicious "Philosophy" and "Forum" to: The munition for the underground—and Mi- out of a desire fur revenge against 10- Playboy Forum,Playbny Iluilding, 919 N. ami and New Orleans, where most of the riefy. These conclusions have emerged training was going 011. But then, Kenne- Michigan Ave., Chicago, Illinois 60611. from several attempts in various nations dy, who had signed a secret agreement to employ this dubious "remedy," begin- a with Khrushchev after the Missile Crisis pledging not to invade Cuba if Russia would soft-pedal Castro's subversive activities in the Americas, began to crack down on CIA operations against Cuba. " As a result, on July 31, 1963, the FBI : s.... raided the headquarters of the group of Cuban exiles and Minutemen training ' e north of Lake Pontchartrain and con- "9 fixated all their guns and ammunition —despite the fact that the operation had the sanction of the CIA. This action may have sealed Kennedy's fate. By the early fall of 1963, Kennedy's plan for a de- tente with Cuba was in high gear. Ambassador William Attwood, a dose personal friend of the late President, recounts that a thaw in U.S.-Cuban relations was definitely in the works at this time and "the: President more than the State Department was interested in ex- ploring the [Cuban] overture." One of the intermediaries between Castro and Kennedy was the late television commentator Lisa Howard, who met secretly with Ernesto Use Guevara to prepare peace terms between the U. S. and Cas- tro. Miss Howard was arranging a con-, ference between Bobby Kennedy and Guevara when the President was shot in Dallas In a United Nations speech on October 7, 1963, AtIlai Stevenson set "Wonderful news, Peter! There's going fords the possibility of a termination of 156 to be another Crusade!" hostilities between the two countries,

aware of win"' awaits them if convicted, ning as early 11.1 I,YRo. PLAYBOY INTERVIEW 0 will be so effectively deterred that the To assume, finally, that castration crime of rape will be reduced almost to (continuer, 110115 page 711 N would serve as a deterrent is to assume extinction. that the rapist has a rational mind. Many attempts to forge a peaceful foreign poll- 1. 11 (Name withheld by request) rapists act in what psychiatrists call a cy, as exemplified by his signing of the 14 New York. New York fugue stale—warren. unsure of what Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, they found that 'argue. So both of these groups had Psychiatrists reject this proposal be- they are doing, much less of what the a vital stake in changing U.S. foreign policy— ',,, cause rapt is the art rer a sadist, erne of a consequences of their behavior will be. normal man with an excess of sexual ideological on the put of the para- Cruel and unusual punishments will no military rightists and both ideological energy. What needs to be changed is his more stop them than will eloquent and personal with the anti-Castro exiles, menial attitude. not his ability in have an preachments. "Rape will be reduced at- many of whom felt they would never sec erection; the average rapist is a man who Mali to extinction" only when a truly their homes again if Kennedy's policy of will walk past a house of prostitutimi, or rational society 1.4 evolved, in which (letenle was allowed to succeed. The leave a loving wrfe at home, to force children's sexual attitudes are not dis- CIA was involved with both of these • himself on a frightened and unwilling torted. Meanwhile, the only liftman,- way groups. In the New Orleans area, where because the creation of terror arid society can protect itself from the rapist the conspiracy was hatched, the CIA the am, of violence are the real gratifica- is to confine him, and the only humane was training a mixed bag of Minutemen, Cuban exiles and other anti-Castro ad- tions that he seeks. cure society has devised for the rapist- Clinical evidence .shows that castra- venturers north of Lake Pontchartrain imperfei t as it may br—is psychotherapy. for a foray into Cuba and an assassination is 100-percent effective in reducing don attempt on Fidel Castro. David Fer- erectile potency only if performed before "The Playboy Forum" offers the oppor- ric, who operated on the "command" puberty. When the operation is per- tunity for an extended dialog between level of the ultra-rightists, was deeply formed on adults, their ability to have an readers and editors of this publication involved in this effort. The CIA itself erection frequently will not wane for on subjects and issues raised in Hugh apparently did not take the Otrnit some time, often not for years. IVhether Al. Hefner's continuing editorial series, too seriously until the late summer of or not the castrated rapist retains his "The Playboy Philosophy." Four booklet 1963, because it maintained its financing potency, the desired results are seldom and training of anti-Castro adventurers. reprints of "The Playboy Philosophy," There was, in fact, a triangulation of achieved: If he is made impotent. he including installments 1-7, 8-12. 13-18 often shifts to nonsexual and therefore CIA-supported anti-Castro activity be- ' and 19-22, are available at 50¢ per book. more bizarre forms of assault: if he re- tween Dallas—where Jack Ruby was let. Address all rorrespondence on both involved in collecting guns and am- mains potent. he becomes more vicious "Philosophy" and "Forum" to: The munition for the underground—and Mi- out of a desire fur revenge against 10- Playboy Forum,Playbny Iluilding, 919 N. ami and New Orleans, where most of the riefy. These conclusions have emerged training was going 011. But then, Kenne- Michigan Ave., Chicago, Illinois 60611. from several attempts in various nations dy, who had signed a secret agreement to employ this dubious "remedy," begin- a with Khrushchev after the Missile Crisis pledging not to invade Cuba if Russia would soft-pedal Castro's subversive activities in the Americas, began to crack down on CIA operations against Cuba. " As a result, on July 31, 1963, the FBI : s.... raided the headquarters of the group of Cuban exiles and Minutemen training ' e north of Lake Pontchartrain and con- "9 fixated all their guns and ammunition —despite the fact that the operation had the sanction of the CIA. This action may have sealed Kennedy's fate. By the early fall of 1963, Kennedy's plan for a de- tente with Cuba was in high gear. Ambassador William Attwood, a dose personal friend of the late President, recounts that a thaw in U.S.-Cuban relations was definitely in the works at this time and "the: President more than the State Department was interested in ex- ploring the [Cuban] overture." One of the intermediaries between Castro and Kennedy was the late television commentator Lisa Howard, who met secretly with Ernesto Use Guevara to prepare peace terms between the U. S. and Cas- tro. Miss Howard was arranging a con-, ference between Bobby Kennedy and Guevara when the President was shot in Dallas In a United Nations speech on October 7, 1963, AtIlai Stevenson set "Wonderful news, Peter! There's going fords the possibility of a termination of 156 to be another Crusade!" hostilities between the two countries, and on November l9th. Presidential aide McGeorge Bundy, who was acting as an intermediary in the secret discussions. told Ambassador Atwood that the Presi- dent wanted to discuss his plans for a Culnin-American in depth whh him right after "a brief trip to Dallas." Now The rest is history. One of the two heads of state involved in uegotiatiog that 4W- tertie is now dead, but the survivor, Get behind an del Castro, said on November 23n1 that the assassination was the work of "elements in the IT. 'S. opptesed to peace." and the Cuban Foreign Ministry official- ABC. ly charged that "the Kennedy axossina- lion was a linrynratiun against world .. well played round% Now you deserve something special— peace perfectly and minutely prepared and you've got it. A mild tasting AA: cigar. In light or by the most reactiimary sectors of the dark wrappers, .A&C's unique blend of fine imported and United States." Most Antericaos at the choice domestic tobaccos:gives you real flavor—and time, myself included, thought this was flavor's the reason A&C. sales are really soaring these days. just Communist propaganda. But Castro Get behind an A&C' Grenadier (shown actual site), knew what he was talking about. A lew or choose a Panetela, I imy or any one of A&C's nine other weeks after the asvastination, the Cuban sizes and shapes. Pack or box, you're ahead behind an A.-C. ambassador to the UN, Dr. Carlos Le- • dolga. was instructed by Castro 111 -r begin "[unit:LI discussions" in the lima. that Kennedy's peace plan would be can- ried on by his successor. Ambassador Antonio y Cleopatra Atwood writes that "1 informed Bondy the cigar tha t's going places and MEET was told that the Cuban V.Xel, cise would be put on ire fur a while— which it was and where it has been ever since." The assassins had achieved then- aim. PLAYBOY: This is interesting speculation. but isn't that all it is—specula GARRISON: No, because we know enough about the key individuals invoh-ed in the conspiracy—Latins and Americans alike —to know that this was their motive for the murder of Joint Kennedy. First of all. you have to understand the mentality of these people. Take the Cuban exiles involved; here are men, SOM. of whom sur- vived the Bay of Pigs, who for years had been whipped up by the CIA into a frenzy of anti-Castro hatred and who had been solemnly assured by American intelligence agencies that they were going to liberate their homeland with American support. They had one disappointment after another—the nay of Pigs debacle. the failure to invade Cuba during the Missile Crisis, the effective crushing of their underground iri Cuba by Castro's secret police. But they kept nn hoping. and the CIA kept fanning their hopes. Then they listened to Kennedy's famous speech at American University on June 10, 1909, where ire really kicked oil the new drive for a eiYhmte, and they heard the President of the country in which they'd placed all their hope saying we must make peace with the Communists. since "we both breathe the same air." Well, this worries them. but the CIA con- tinues financiog and training their underground cadres, so there is still hope. And then suddenly. in the late summer of 196.3. the CIA is forced by Presidential pressure to withdraw all funds and Pro/ma ef c4wsetzen tgertzer-grafet GA r Co. 157

and on November l9th. Presidential aide McGeorge Bundy, who was acting as an intermediary in the secret discussions. told Ambassador Atwood that the Presi- dent wanted to discuss his plans for a Culnin-American in depth whh him right after "a brief trip to Dallas." Now The rest is history. One of the two heads of state involved in uegotiatiog that 4W- tertie is now dead, but the survivor, Get behind an del Castro, said on November 23n1 that the assassination was the work of "elements in the IT. 'S. opptesed to peace." and the Cuban Foreign Ministry official- ABC. ly charged that "the Kennedy axossina- lion was a pmyuraaito against world .. well played round% Now you deserve something special— peace perfectly and minutely prepared and you've got it. A mild tasting AA: cigar. In light or by the most reactiimary sectors of the dark wrappers, .A&C's unique blend of fine imported and United States." Most Antericaos at the choice domestic tobaccos:gives you real flavor—and time, myself included, thought this was flavor's the reason A&C. sales are really soaring these days. just Communist propaganda. But Castro Get behind an A&C' Grenadier (shown actual site), knew what he was talking about. A lew or choose a Panetela, I imy or any one of A&C's nine other weeks after the asvastination, the Cuban sizes and shapes. Pack or box, you're ahead behind an A.-C. ambassador to the UN, Dr. Carlos Le- • dolga. was instructed by Castro 111 -r begin "[unit:LI discussions" in the lima. that Kennedy's peace plan would be can- ried on by his successor. Ambassador Antonio y Cleopatra Atwood writes that "1 informed Bondy the cigar tha t's going places and MEET was told that the Cuban V.Xel, cise would be put on ire fur a while— which it was and where it has been ever since." The assassins had achieved then- aim. PLAYBOY: This is interesting speculation. but isn't that all it is—specula GARRISON: No, because we know enough about the key individuals invoh-ed in the conspiracy—Latins and Americans alike —to know that this was their motive for the murder of Joint Kennedy. First of all. you have to understand the mentality of these people. Take the Cuban exiles involved; here are men, SOM. of whom sur- vived the Bay of Pigs, who for years had been whipped up by the CIA into a frenzy of anti-Castro hatred and who had been solemnly assured by American intelligence agencies that they were going to liberate their homeland with American support. They had one disappointment after another—the nay of Pigs debacle. the failure to invade Cuba during the Missile Crisis, the effective crushing of their underground iri Cuba by Castro's secret police. But they kept nn hoping. and the CIA kept fanning their hopes. Then they listened to Kennedy's famous speech at American University on June 10, 1909, where ire really kicked oil the new drive for a eiYhmte, and they heard the President of the country in which they'd placed all their hope saying we must make peace with the Communists. since "we both breathe the same air." Well, this worries them. but the CIA con- tinues financiog and training their underground cadres, so there is still hope. And then suddenly. in the late summer of 196.3. the CIA is forced by Presidential pressure to withdraw all funds and Pro/ma ef c4wsetzen tgertzer-grafet GA r Co. 157 assistance from the Cuban exiles. Think of the impact of this. particularly on the group here in New Orleans, which had been trained for months to make an assassination attempt on Castro and then found itself coolly jettisoned by its bene- factors in Washington. These adventurers were worked up to a fever pitch. altd when the CIA withdrew its support anti they couldn't fight Castro, they picked their next victim—John F. Kennedy. That, in a nutshell, is the genesis of the assassination. President Kennedy died because he wanted peace. PLAYBOY: How many people do you claim were involved in this alleged conspiracy? GARRISON: Too many for their own security. If they had let fewer men in on the plot, we might never have stumbled onto it. But let me add one additional point here: The brief account I've just given you shouldn't be construed to indicate that any of the legitimate anti- Castro organizations were involved in the assassination—or that all Minutemen All over the world King George IV sells at the were implicated. Nor should the fact same price as the other`top12' Scotches (Londons7.28) that there was a conspiracy from the paramilitary right be used to start a witch- But here, it is the only 'top 12'you can buy hunt against conservatives in general, any } more than Oswald's phony pro-Commu- ..' for about $5.00 nist record should have been used to :'.?i.... The Scots produce it, we bottle it... and purge leftists from our national life. in pass the savings on to you. Why are we this case, the very terminology of "right" so generous? We want to become the and "left," which is essentially an eco- largest selling Scotch around. King fitorgeIV nomic definition, has little validity as a ens n a 00W nelt u V ItILIA MAMMY t 611 srmorara, ou rnl.ovr..0,,,, description of those fanatic war lovers who were ready to assassinate a Presi-; dent because he worked for peace. If you go far enough to either extreme of the teaming up political spectrum. Communist or fascist, you'll find hard-eyed men with pia who The Playboy warm-up shirts. On the believe that anybody who doesn't think as they do should be incarcerated or beach, the campus, it's the newest exterminated. The assassination was less action-ready gear for guys and gals. an ideological exercise than the frenzied

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Let me stress at the outset WA107, long sleeve, that what I'm going to tell you is not idle speculation; we have facts, docu- $5 ppd. ments and reliable eyewitness testimony Shall we enclose a gift card in to corroborate much of it—though I can't your name? Please sand check or money order to PtAYROY lay all this evidence before you without PRODUCTS. The Playboy Building, jeopardizing the investigation. But there OA N. Michigan Ave-, Chicago. 111. 611511. are many pieces of the jigsaw puzzle still I Playboy Club credit missing. Not one of the conspirators has koyholdars may charge to then keys. confessed his guilt, so we don't yet have an : "inside" view of all the pre-assassination t planning. In order to fill in these gaps Attorney General Ramsey. Clark at:- us. The natural reaction of many people for you. I'll have to indulge in a bit 110111/CW that Shaw "was included in an across the country to Clark's statement, of informed deduction and surmise. It investigation in November and Decem- which was carried prominently on TV may sound melodramatic, but you can ber of 1963 and on the evidence that the and in the prows. was, "Well, if the FBI best envisage the plot as a spider's web. FRI has, there was no connection found cleared him, there can't be anything to At the center sit the organizers of the between Shaw and the President's assas- this whole conspiracy business." Most operation, men with close ties to U.S. sination." Why do you challenge the defendants have to wait for trial before and western-European intelligence agen- Attorney General's statement? they're allowed to produce character cies. One of them is a former associate of GARRISON: Because it was not true. The witnesses. When, three months later, the Jack Ruby in gun-smuggling activities FRI did not dear Clay Shaw alter the Justice Department finally admitted and a dedicated neo-Nazi in close contact assassination. You don't have to take my Clark was "in error." the story appeared word for it; The New York Times with neo-fascist movements in Great Brit- report- in only a few newspapers and wasn't ed on June third that "The Justice De- ain, Germany, France and Italy. Radiat- picked up by the radio or TV networks. partment said today that Clay Shaw, New ing out from these key men, the strands But what was even more significant about Orleans businessman, was not investigat- of the web include a motley group of the justice Department's attempt to hail ed by the Federal Bureau of Investiga- out Shaw was the fact that the day after political adventurers united only in their tion. . . . The statement contradicted Clark's statement, The Nets' York Times' detestation of Kennedy and their dedica- Attorney General Ramsey Clark. . . . A Washington correspondent. Robert B. tion to the reversal of his foreign policy. Justice Department spokesman said that Semple, Jr.. reported that he had been One such man was David Ferrie. Another Mr. Clark's statement last alards second told by an unmanned Justice Department member of this group is an individual was in error." Now, the Attorney Gener- spokesman that his agency was con- • who deliberately impersonated Lee Os- al's attempt to whitewash Shaw via the vinced "that Mr. Bertrand and Mr. Shaw wald before the assassination in order to FBI, as you pointed out, was made imme- were the same man"—and that was the incriminate him; we believe we know diately after our office arrested him. and reason Clark released his untrue story his identity. Several others, about whom it really constituted the first salvo of the about the FBI's having cleared Shaw! In we have evidence indicating that they propaganda barrage laid down against other words, knowing that our case was helped supply weapons to the plotters. were the right-wing extremists I mentioned earlier who broke off from a fanatic paramilitary group because it was becoming "too liberal." Also involved is a band of anti-Castro adventurers who functioned on the second, or "operative," level of the conspiracy. These men include two Cuban exiles, one of whom failed a lie-detector test when he denied knowing in advance that Kennedy was going to be killed or having seen the weapons to be used in the assassination— and a number of men who fired at the President from three directions on No- vember 22nd. The link between the "command" level and the Cuban exiles was an amorphous group called the Free Cuba Committee, which with CIA sanction had begun training north of Lake Pmuclnartrain for an assassination attempt on Fidel Castro, as I mentioned earlier. It was this group that was raided by the FBI on July 31st, 1963, and temporarily put out of commission. Our information indicates that it was shortly after this setback that the group switched direction and decided to assassinate John Kennedy instead of Fidel Castro, after the "betrayal" of the Bay of Pigs disaster. That's it in a nutshell, but I think the development of the conspiracy will become dearer if you ask me one by one about the individuals involved. PLAYBOY: All right, let's begin with Clay Shaw. What was his role in the alleged conspiracy? GARRISON: rrn afraid I can't comment even inferentially on anything pertaining to the evidence against Mr. Shaw, since he's facing trial in my jurisdiction. PLAYBOY: Can you answer a charge about your case against him? On March second "Marcia, you could have just said no instead of telling of this yetr, shortly after Shaw's arrest, me this was the door to the bathroom!" 159

planning. In order to fill in these gaps Attorney General Ramsey. Clark at:- us. The natural reaction of many people for you. I'll have to indulge in a bit 110111/CW that Shaw "was included in an across the country to Clark's statement, of informed deduction and surmise. It investigation in November and Decem- which was carried prominently on TV may sound melodramatic, but you can ber of 1963 and on the evidence that the and in the prows. was, "Well, if the FBI best envisage the plot as a spider's web. FRI has, there was no connection found cleared him, there can't be anything to At the center sit the organizers of the between Shaw and the President's assas- this whole conspiracy business." Most operation, men with close ties to U.S. sination." Why do you challenge the defendants have to wait for trial before and western-European intelligence agen- Attorney General's statement? they're allowed to produce character cies. One of them is a former associate of GARRISON: Because it was not true. The witnesses. When, three months later, the Jack Ruby in gun-smuggling activities FRI did not dear Clay Shaw alter the Justice Department finally admitted and a dedicated neo-Nazi in close contact assassination. You don't have to take my Clark was "in error." the story appeared word for it; The New York Times with neo-fascist movements in Great Brit- report- in only a few newspapers and wasn't ed on June third that "The Justice De- ain, Germany, France and Italy. Radiat- picked up by the radio or TV networks. partment said today that Clay Shaw, New ing out from these key men, the strands But what was even more significant about Orleans businessman, was not investigat- of the web include a motley group of the justice Department's attempt to hail ed by the Federal Bureau of Investiga- out Shaw was the fact that the day after political adventurers united only in their tion. . . . The statement contradicted Clark's statement, The Nets' York Times' detestation of Kennedy and their dedica- Attorney General Ramsey Clark. . . . A Washington correspondent. Robert B. tion to the reversal of his foreign policy. Justice Department spokesman said that Semple, Jr.. reported that he had been One such man was David Ferrie. Another Mr. Clark's statement last alards second told by an unmanned Justice Department member of this group is an individual was in error." Now, the Attorney Gener- spokesman that his agency was con- • who deliberately impersonated Lee Os- al's attempt to whitewash Shaw via the vinced "that Mr. Bertrand and Mr. Shaw wald before the assassination in order to FBI, as you pointed out, was made imme- were the same man"—and that was the incriminate him; we believe we know diately after our office arrested him. and reason Clark released his untrue story his identity. Several others, about whom it really constituted the first salvo of the about the FBI's having cleared Shaw! In we have evidence indicating that they propaganda barrage laid down against other words, knowing that our case was helped supply weapons to the plotters. were the right-wing extremists I mentioned earlier who broke off from a fanatic paramilitary group because it was becoming "too liberal." Also involved is a band of anti-Castro adventurers who functioned on the second, or "operative," level of the conspiracy. These men include two Cuban exiles, one of whom failed a lie-detector test when he denied knowing in advance that Kennedy was going to be killed or having seen the weapons to be used in the assassination— and a number of men who fired at the President from three directions on No- vember 22nd. The link between the "command" level and the Cuban exiles was an amorphous group called the Free Cuba Committee, which with CIA sanction had begun training north of Lake Pmuclnartrain for an assassination attempt on Fidel Castro, as I mentioned earlier. It was this group that was raided by the FBI on July 31st, 1963, and temporarily put out of commission. Our information indicates that it was shortly after this setback that the group switched direction and decided to assassinate John Kennedy instead of Fidel Castro, after the "betrayal" of the Bay of Pigs disaster. That's it in a nutshell, but I think the development of the conspiracy will become dearer if you ask me one by one about the individuals involved. PLAYBOY: All right, let's begin with Clay Shaw. What was his role in the alleged conspiracy? GARRISON: rrn afraid I can't comment even inferentially on anything pertaining to the evidence against Mr. Shaw, since he's facing trial in my jurisdiction. PLAYBOY: Can you answer a charge about your case against him? On March second "Marcia, you could have just said no instead of telling of this yetr, shortly after Shaw's arrest, me this was the door to the bathroom!" 159 tM !lased CM fact. the Justice Department oraeV:1lI Edwin Walker, eight moults before in the conspiracy. After "defecting" to O deliberately dragged a red herring across the assassination? Russia, where he served as an agent for the trail. GARRISON: if he dill it: his motive—which the CIA—perhaps this is where his PLAYBOY: Ate you free to discuss Oswald's is to say the motive of those behind trim— knowledge about the U-2 becomes reit, role in the compiracy? was a simple one: to ensure that after the vat it—he returned to this country its J une GARRISON: Yes, but before you can un- ilaus..sination. people would ask this ',cry 1962, lived in Fort Worth and Dallas understand Oswald's role in the plot, question ;MEI assume that because Oswald til April 1963, and theft won to New you've got to jettison the image of him had shot at General Walker, he must Orleans, where lie resumed his friendship its a "sell-proclaimed Marxist" that the have been a left-winger. It was just an- with David Ferric, whom lie had met mass media inculcated in the public cott- other pan of Oswald's cover: if you several years before when he belonged scinLIMuC-1sXiCILIMIC-13 afterafter hishis arrestarrest on November defect to Russia, pass out pro-Castro to a Civil Air Patrol unit led by Ferric. 22nd. Oswald's professed Marxist sym- leaflets 011 street corners told take a pat We have evidence that Oswald main- pathies were just a cover for his real shot at General Walker, who on earth tained his CIA contacts throughout this IttO activities. I don't believe there are any would doubt you're a Communist? Of period and that Ferric was also employed rlHi serious students of the assassination who course, if you really look deeply into this by the CIA. In this regard, we will pre- don't recognize that Oswald's actual incident, there is no real proof that Os- sent in court a witness—formerly a CIA political orientation was eau-me right wald was the man who did it; the whole courier—who met both Ferrie and Os- wing. His associates in Dallas and New charge rests on the unsupported testimo- wald officially in their CIA connection. Orleans—apart from his CIA contacts— ny of Marina Oswald, after she had been Parenthetically, Ferric gave his name as were exclusively right wing, some covert. threatened with deportation if she didn't Ferris to this witness—a name recorded others oven: in fact, our office has posi- "cooperate." It makes little difference. without further explanation in Jack tively identified a number of his associates though, whether this incident was pre- Ruby's address book. In Ferric and as stn-Nazis. Oswald would have been pared in advance to create a cover for Oswald worked together closely. They P!."-A!■ ,p, 41 more at home with Mein Kempf. than Oswald or fabricated after the assassi- were two of the organizers of the group 1M.5 Kapivai. tuition to strengthen his public image as of anti-Castro exiles and Minutemen PLAYBOY: 1i Oswald wasn't a leftist, what a Marxist. But we've gotten ahead of who trained north of Lake Pontchartrain motivation would he have had for shoot- ourselves. Let's backtrack a bit to fill in for a foray into Cuba to assassinate Cas- r ing at :mother right•wiuger, Major Gen-en- the background of Oswald's involvement tro—the venture that changed direction in the summer of 11163 and chose John Kennedy as its new victim. Toward this end—for reasons that will become clear —it became Oswald's role to establish his public identity as a Marxist. It appears that it was with this plan in mind that Oswald was sent to Mexico City in order to get a visa for travel to Cuba, where he planned to solidify his Marx- ist image, perhaps by making himself conspicuous with a few incendiary anti- Kennedy speeches, and then return to Dallas in time for the assassination. How- ever, this end of the plot was frustrated because die Soviet and Cuban intelligence services apparently bad Oswald pegged as an intelligence agent, and lie was refused visas at both embassies. An- t.. other way iii which Oswald tried to establish his procommunism wan by set- Ling up a letterhead Fair Play for Cuba Committee—tot which he was the only member—and distributing cm street corners leaflets praising Castro. He made two blunders here, however. First, one of the men helping him hand out leaflets was a fanatic anti-Castro Cuban exile whom we've subsequently identified from TV footage of a street incident. Second, Oswald "blew his cover" by using the wrong address for his phony New Orleans - Fair Play for Cuba Committee. PLAYBOY: Will you elaborate on this second point? GARRISON: Yes, because this incident ties together some of the strands of the spider's web. At the time Oswald started his so-called Fair Play for Cuba Commit. "He works much too hard, the dear. l'd feel so snitch tee, two men—Hugh Ward and Guy Bait- 160 better if he insured himself to the hilt." iiister—operated a private investigative itte,5". agency at 54-1 Camp Street in downtown Ncw Orleans, There are some intriguing aspects to their operation. For one thing. Guy Bannister was one of the most militant right-wing anti-Communists in New Orleans. He was a former FBI official and his headquarters at 544 Camp LHICK R Street was a clearinghouse for Cuban exile and paramilitary right-wing activities. Specifically, he allowed his office to be used as a mail drop for the anti-Castro Cuban Democratic Revolutionary Front: Feels nice police intelligence records at the time reported that this group was "legitimate in nature and presumably had the un- official SI:leaf/1k of the Central Intelli- gence Agency." It did. Bannister also published a newsletter for his dients that inside you. included virulent anti-Kennedy polemics. My office also has evidence that Bannister eu had intimate ties with the Office of Naval Intelligence and the CIA. Both Bannister and Ward were deeply involved in covert anti-Castro exile activities in New Or- leans. Bannister in particular seemed to have had an almost messianic drive to fight communism in every country in Latin America: and he was naturally of value to Cuban exiles because of his in. timate connections with American intelligence agencies. In the Ramparts article you mentioned earlier, ex-FBI agent Bill Turner revealed that both Bannister and Ward were listed in secret Minutemen files as members of the Minutemen anti operatives of a group called the Anti- Sliki111 MIRA is Pitiof• Its Ham iiisnliIis t0 nIL' Communism League of the Caribbean. which was allegedly used by the CIA in the overthrow of the Guatemalan government in 1954. So, in other words, these are the last guys in the world you'd expect to find tied up with left-wing or pro-Castro activities. Right? And yet, when Lee Harvey Oswald set up his fictitious branch of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New Orleans, he distributed leaflets giving the committee's address as 544 Camp Street—Guy Bannister's office! Somebody must have pointed out to Oswald shortly afterward that he was endangering his cover by using this address. because he subsequently changed it to 4907 Magazine Street. But it's certainly significant that at the inception of his public role as a pro-Castro activist, Oswald was utilizing the mailbox of the most militantly con- ERE servative and and-Communist outfit in the city. I might add that we have several JAKICETN witnesses who will testify in court that they saw Oswald hanging out at 544 AND THERE Camp Street. I want to stress, however, that I have no evidence that Bannister IN THE and Ward were involved in the plot to kill Kennedy. Their office was a kind of HAIRICIHE ,MASTER This one moves with you. The sturdy all- wea ther "Mustang." Tailored of on exclusive Buoy Cloth 2x2 way station for anti-Castro and right. poplin of 65% Docron• and 35% wing extremists passing through New cotton. The rain-and-stain treatment: ZUEL. The moving touches: on action-bock pleat, full lining, raglan Orleans, and it's perfectly possible that sleeves with adjustable cuffs, zipper front, stand-up collar. The extras: brawny they were completely unaware of the con- pockets hidden under the front yoke, bold stitching at collar and cuffs. In short, a jacket that moves well, "The Mustang." spiracy being hatched by men like Ferric Harbor Mosier Ltd. A and Oswald. Division of Jonathon Logan, 1290 Avenue of the Americas, N.Y. 10018. Featured at all B&B Lorry's Metropolitan N,Y, stores and other fine stores from coast to coast. PLAY110Y: Were any of the other figures 'Dupont red-1'. M. rw fu Pal“*.10 Mier 1111Dup-cmt rem 7,74, for Its Fabric Fluaridiver 161

itte,5". agency at 54-1 Camp Street in downtown Ncw Orleans, There are some intriguing aspects to their operation. For one thing. Guy Bannister was one of the most militant right-wing anti-Communists in New Orleans. He was a former FBI official and his headquarters at 544 Camp LHICK R Street was a clearinghouse for Cuban exile and paramilitary right-wing activities. Specifically, he allowed his office to be used as a mail drop for the anti-Castro Cuban Democratic Revolutionary Front: Feels nice police intelligence records at the time reported that this group was "legitimate in nature and presumably had the un- official SI:leaf/1k of the Central Intelli- gence Agency." It did. Bannister also published a newsletter for his dients that inside you. included virulent anti-Kennedy polemics. My office also has evidence that Bannister eu had intimate ties with the Office of Naval Intelligence and the CIA. Both Bannister and Ward were deeply involved in covert anti-Castro exile activities in New Or- leans. Bannister in particular seemed to have had an almost messianic drive to fight communism in every country in Latin America: and he was naturally of value to Cuban exiles because of his in. timate connections with American intelligence agencies. In the Ramparts article you mentioned earlier, ex-FBI agent Bill Turner revealed that both Bannister and Ward were listed in secret Minutemen files as members of the Minutemen anti operatives of a group called the Anti- Sliki111 MIRA is Pitiof• Its Ham iiisnliIis t0 nIL' Communism League of the Caribbean. which was allegedly used by the CIA in the overthrow of the Guatemalan government in 1954. So, in other words, these are the last guys in the world you'd expect to find tied up with left-wing or pro-Castro activities. Right? And yet, when Lee Harvey Oswald set up his fictitious branch of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New Orleans, he distributed leaflets giving the committee's address as 544 Camp Street—Guy Bannister's office! Somebody must have pointed out to Oswald shortly afterward that he was endangering his cover by using this address. because he subsequently changed it to 4907 Magazine Street. But it's certainly significant that at the inception of his public role as a pro-Castro activist, Oswald was utilizing the mailbox of the most militantly con- ERE servative and and-Communist outfit in the city. I might add that we have several JAKICETN witnesses who will testify in court that they saw Oswald hanging out at 544 AND THERE Camp Street. I want to stress, however, that I have no evidence that Bannister IN THE and Ward were involved in the plot to kill Kennedy. Their office was a kind of HAIRICIHE ,MASTER This one moves with you. The sturdy all- wea ther "Mustang." Tailored of on exclusive Buoy Cloth 2x2 way station for anti-Castro and right. poplin of 65% Docron• and 35% wing extremists passing through New cotton. The rain-and-stain treatment: ZUEL. The moving touches: on action-bock pleat, full lining, raglan Orleans, and it's perfectly possible that sleeves with adjustable cuffs, zipper front, stand-up collar. The extras: brawny they were completely unaware of the con- pockets hidden under the front yoke, bold stitching at collar and cuffs. In short, a jacket that moves well, "The Mustang." spiracy being hatched by men like Ferric Harbor Mosier Ltd. A and Oswald. Division of Jonathon Logan, 1290 Avenue of the Americas, N.Y. 10018. Featured at all B&B Lorry's Metropolitan N,Y, stores and other fine stores from coast to coast. PLAY110Y: Were any of the other figures 'Dupont red-1'. M. rw fu Pal“*.10 Mier 1111Dup-cmt rem 7,74, for Its Fabric Fluaridiver 161 lM in the alleged conspiracy connected with there was anything sinister about the Moreover, some of Oswald's anti-Castro O Ban roster? crash, though rumors always spring up friends from Mil and New Orleans GARRISON: Yes, David Ferric was a paid in a me like this. The only thing I will showed up in Dallas in October of 1963. ' N investigator for B: 'ster, and the two say is that witnesses in this case do have In a "Supplementary line:Mg:Mon Re- j. men knew each other very well. Dur- a habit of dying at the most inconvenient port" tiled on November 23, 1963. by r ing 1962 and 1963. Ferric spent a good times. I understand a London insurance Dallas policeman Buddy Walthers, an deal of time at 544 Camp Street and firm has prepared an actuarial chart aide to Sheriff Bill Decker, Walthers he made a series of mysterious long- on the likelihood of 20 of the people stated; "I talked to Sorrels, the bead of distance phone calls to Central America involved in this case dying within three the Dallas Secret Service. I was advised from Bannister's office. We have a record years of the .assassination—and found that for the past few months at a house of those calls. the odds 30 trinitm to one. But I'm at 3128 Harlandale. some Cubans had PLAYBOY: Where are Bannister and Ward sure NBC will shortly discover that one been having meetings on the weekends :‘ now? of my investigators bribed the computer. and were possibly connected with the GARRISON: Both have died since the as- PLAYBOY: Was Oswald involved with Freedom for Cuba Party of which Oswald sassination—Bannister of a bean attack paramilitary activists and anti-Castro was a member." No attention was paid to in 1964 and Ward when the plane he was Cuban exiles in Dallas, as well as in New Walthers' report. and on November 26th. piloting for New Orleans Mayor De Les. Orleans? he complained: "I don't know what ac- saps Morrison crashed in Mexico in GARRISON: Oh, Cod, yes. In (act, many tion the Secret Service has taken, but I t 1964. Dc Lesseps Morrison, as it hap- of his New Orleans contacts overlap with learned today that some time between ! pened. had introduced Clay Shaw to those in Dallas. Jack Ruby, who played seven days before the President was shot President Kennedy on an airplane flight a key role in smuggling guns to the anti- and the day after he was shot, these Cu- s in 1963. Castro underground—on behalf of the bans moved from this house. My inform- 1 PLAYBOY: Do you believe there was any- CIA—was one of Oswald's contacts in ant stated that subject Oswald had thing sinister about the crash that killed Dallas. Furthermore, Oswald was virtual- been to this house before." This was the both Morrison and Ward? ly surrounded by White Russians its Dal- last that was ever heard of the mysteri. GARRISON: I have HO reason to believe las, some of whom were CIA employees. ous Cubans at 3128 Harlandale. A significant point in Walthers' report is his mention of the Freedom for Cuba Par- ty. This appears to be a corruption of the anti-Castro Free Cuba Committee of which Oswald, Ferric and a small cadre of neo-Nazis--including the man we believe was the "second Oswald"—were members. You may remember that on the night of the assassination. Dallas D. A. Henry Wade called a press conference and at one point referred to Oswald as a member of the "Free Cuba Commit- tee" instead of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. Jack Ruby. who just happened to be there, promptly chimed in to correct him. Ruby was obviously in the jail that night on a dry run prior to his successful murder of Oswald on Sunday —a possibility the Warren Commission never bothered to consider—and could hardly have been eager to draw atten- don to himself. However, he must have been afraid that if the press reported Os- wald was a member of the "Free Cuba Committee." somebody might begin an investigation of that group and discover its anti-Castro and ultra-right-wing on emotion. And so he risked his cover to set the record straight and protect his . fellow conspirators. PLAYBOY: Its regard to Oswald's role in the conspiracy, you have said that "Ise was a decoy at first and then he was a patsy and then he was a victim." Would you explain what you meant by that? GARRISON: Oswald's role iu the pro- posed assassination of Kennedy. as far as he seems to have known, was strictly political: not to fire a gun but—for reasons that may not have been explained to him by Isis superiors at their planning sessions—to establish his left-wing bona COC#RaN fides so unshakably that after the assassination, quite possibly unbeknownst to 162 "Well, all the sign said was, 'Joe's Topless Restaurant.'" him, the President's murder would appear

lM in the alleged conspiracy connected with there was anything sinister about the Moreover, some of Oswald's anti-Castro O Ban roster? crash, though rumors always spring up friends from Mil and New Orleans GARRISON: Yes, David Ferric was a paid in a me like this. The only thing I will showed up in Dallas in October of 1963. ' N investigator for B: 'ster, and the two say is that witnesses in this case do have In a "Supplementary line:Mg:Mon Re- j. men knew each other very well. Dur- a habit of dying at the most inconvenient port" tiled on November 23, 1963. by r ing 1962 and 1963. Ferric spent a good times. I understand a London insurance Dallas policeman Buddy Walthers, an deal of time at 544 Camp Street and firm has prepared an actuarial chart aide to Sheriff Bill Decker, Walthers he made a series of mysterious long- on the likelihood of 20 of the people stated; "I talked to Sorrels, the bead of distance phone calls to Central America involved in this case dying within three the Dallas Secret Service. I was advised from Bannister's office. We have a record years of the .assassination—and found that for the past few months at a house of those calls. the odds 30 trinitm to one. But I'm at 3128 Harlandale. some Cubans had PLAYBOY: Where are Bannister and Ward sure NBC will shortly discover that one been having meetings on the weekends :‘ now? of my investigators bribed the computer. and were possibly connected with the GARRISON: Both have died since the as- PLAYBOY: Was Oswald involved with Freedom for Cuba Party of which Oswald sassination—Bannister of a bean attack paramilitary activists and anti-Castro was a member." No attention was paid to in 1964 and Ward when the plane he was Cuban exiles in Dallas, as well as in New Walthers' report. and on November 26th. piloting for New Orleans Mayor De Les. Orleans? he complained: "I don't know what ac- saps Morrison crashed in Mexico in GARRISON: Oh, Cod, yes. In (act, many tion the Secret Service has taken, but I t 1964. Dc Lesseps Morrison, as it hap- of his New Orleans contacts overlap with learned today that some time between ! pened. had introduced Clay Shaw to those in Dallas. Jack Ruby, who played seven days before the President was shot President Kennedy on an airplane flight a key role in smuggling guns to the anti- and the day after he was shot, these Cu- s in 1963. Castro underground—on behalf of the bans moved from this house. My inform- 1 PLAYBOY: Do you believe there was any- CIA—was one of Oswald's contacts in ant stated that subject Oswald had thing sinister about the crash that killed Dallas. Furthermore, Oswald was virtual- been to this house before." This was the both Morrison and Ward? ly surrounded by White Russians its Dal- last that was ever heard of the mysteri. GARRISON: I have HO reason to believe las, some of whom were CIA employees. ous Cubans at 3128 Harlandale. A significant point in Walthers' report is his mention of the Freedom for Cuba Par- ty. This appears to be a corruption of the anti-Castro Free Cuba Committee of which Oswald, Ferric and a small cadre of neo-Nazis--including the man we believe was the "second Oswald"—were members. You may remember that on the night of the assassination. Dallas D. A. Henry Wade called a press conference and at one point referred to Oswald as a member of the "Free Cuba Commit- tee" instead of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. Jack Ruby. who just happened to be there, promptly chimed in to correct him. Ruby was obviously in the jail that night on a dry run prior to his successful murder of Oswald on Sunday —a possibility the Warren Commission never bothered to consider—and could hardly have been eager to draw atten- don to himself. However, he must have been afraid that if the press reported Os- wald was a member of the "Free Cuba Committee." somebody might begin an investigation of that group and discover its anti-Castro and ultra-right-wing on emotion. And so he risked his cover to set the record straight and protect his . fellow conspirators. PLAYBOY: Its regard to Oswald's role in the conspiracy, you have said that "Ise was a decoy at first and then he was a patsy and then he was a victim." Would you explain what you meant by that? GARRISON: Oswald's role iu the pro- posed assassination of Kennedy. as far as he seems to have known, was strictly political: not to fire a gun but—for reasons that may not have been explained to him by Isis superiors at their planning sessions—to establish his left-wing bona COC#RaN fides so unshakably that after the assassination, quite possibly unbeknownst to 162 "Well, all the sign said was, 'Joe's Topless Restaurant.'" him, the President's murder would appear Om.

to he the work of a sharpshooting left- likely dust he was aware of 1113 role as a when there was alssolutely no evidence wing [mimic and 01113 allow the other decoy. But even if he was, it's probable bilking 0 wall to the plotters, including the men who actually 11$71/04i11111100. The that he would have been given some Dallas police have never lseen able to shot Kennedy, to escape police attention cock-and-bull assurances about being and flee Dallas. Though he may not have expiaitt who tranantioul this wanted richly rewarded and smuggled out of the notice or out wino evidence it was based; known why he was instructed to do so, country after Kennedy's death. But it's this was undoubtedly why he got the and the Warren Commission brushed even more probable, in my opinion—if aside the whole matter as unimporta ut. job at the Texas School Book Depository Ile did know the true nature of his role think it's obvious that the conspirators Building; we've learned that one of the —that lie wouldn't have felt the necessity members of the conspiracy was in a posi- tipped off the police, probably anony- to escape. He would have known that no mously, in the hope subsequently real- tion to learn front perfectly innocent Dal- jury in the world—even in Dallas— ixed—that all attention would henceforth las business contacts the route of the would have been able to find him guilty be focused Prtzidelitint znotorcide more that[ a 011 Oswald Slid the heat of the assassination on the strength of would lie Laken off other members of mouth before Keuncaly's visit. The con- such transparently contrived circumstan- the plot. We have evidence that the plait spirators—more than probably not in- tial evidence. was to have hint shot as a cop killer in cluding Oswald—knew this would place PLAYBOY: That's debatable. But even if him on the scene and convince the world the Texas Theater "while resisting ar- Oswald had been brought to trial for and rest." I can't that a demented Marxist was the real go into all die details on acquitted of the assassination, what rea- this, but the murder of Tippit, which I assassin. son would he have had to believe that am convinced Oswald didn't commit, was PLAYBOY: Even if Oswald was unaware of Ise would also be exonerated of involve- clearly designed to set the stage for Os- his role as a decoy, didn't he suspect that ment in the conspiracy—which you've wald's liquidation in the Texas Theater he might be double-crossed by his co- admitted yourself? after another anonymous tip-off. But here conspirators? GARRISON: I don't want to evade your the platters miscalculated, and Oswald GARRISON[ We have uncovered substantial question, but I can't answer it without was not shot to death but was merely evidence that he was influenced and ma- compromising my investigation of a cru- roughed up anti rushed off to the Dallas nipulated rather easily by his older and cial new area of the conspiracy. I'm jail—where, you may remember, he more sophisticated superiors in the con- afraid I Can't discuss it until we've built shouted to reporters as the police dragged spiracy, and it's probable that he trusted a solid tare. I can say, however, that what- him through the corridors on November them more than he distrusted them. But ever his knowledge of his role as a decoy, 22nd: "I even if the opposite were true, I think didn't kill anyone—I'm being he definitely didn't know about his role made a patsy." The conspiracy had gone he would have done what he was told. as a patsy until after the assassination. seriously awry and the plotters were in PLAYBOY: Even if he suspected that lie At 12;45 P.M. on November 22nd, the danger of exposure by Oswald. Enter might be arrested and 03110C1.C11 as the Dallas police had broadcast a wanted Jack Ruby—and exit Oswald. So first Preside it's assassin? bulletin for Oswald—over a half hour • Oswald was a decoy, next a patsy and GARRISON: As I said, 1 don't think it's before Tipple was shoe and at a time finally—in the basement of the Dallas jail

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WPM-ED RARE SCOTCH 10" BLENDED SCOTCH WHISKY EIGHTY PROOF IMPORTED SY INVER HODS( DISTILLERS. LTD., PHU..., 163 on November 24, I963—a right hand but not on your left. I'm dow of the Book Depository. who did? PLAYBOY: Even it Oswald was a scapegoat smoking it pipe, which I interchange be- GARRISON: Our office has developed evi- iii the alleged conspiracy. why do you tween my hands, so I'll have traces of dence that the President was assassinated believe he coulthri also have been one nitrate on both hands but not on my by a precision guerrilla team of at least of those who shot at the President? cheeks. The morning of the assassina- seven men, including anti-Castro adven- GARRISON: If there's one thing the War- tion. Oswald was moving crates in a turers and 1310111301 of the paramilitary ren Commission and its 21i %plumes of newly painted room, whidt was likely to right. Of course. the Ministry of Truth supportive evidence demote:trate ccoalu- base left traces of nitrate on both his concluded—by scrupulously ignoring the shyly. its that Lee Harm Oswald did hands. Now. of course, if the nitrate test most compelling evidence and carefully not shoot John Kennelly on November had proved positive. and Oswald did selecting only those facts that conformed 22. 1963. Of course, the Commission have nitrate on one hand alai on Iris to its preconceived thesis of a lone assassin concluded not only that Oswald foul at cheek. that would still not constitute —that "Ito credible evideitce suggests the President but that he was a marks- proof positive that he'd fired a gun, that the shots were fired from . . , any man, that he bad enough time to "fire because the nitrates could have been left place other than the Texas School Book three shots. with two hits, within 4.8 by a substance other that' gunpowder. Depository Building." But anyone who and 5.0 seconds." that his fklanitlicher- But the fact that he had no nitrate what- takes the time to read the Warren Report nl Carcano was an accurate rifle. etc—but soever on his cheek is ineluctable proof will find that of the witnesses in Dealey all these conclusions are actually in direct that he never fired a rifle that day. If he Plaza who were able to assess the origin contradiction of the evidence within the had washed his face to remove the nitrate of the shots. almost two thirds said they Commission's own 20 volumes. By culling before the test was administered, there came from the grassy-knoll area in front and coordinating that evidence, dm lead- would have been none on his bands and to the right of the •Presidential lim- ing critics of the Commission have either—unless he was in the habit of ousine and not from the Book Depository. proved that Oswald was a mediocre washing with gloves on. This was a sticky which was to the rear of the President. A shot: that the Mannliciter-Carcano rifle problem for die Warren Commission, but number of reliable witnesses testified he allegedly used was about the crum- they resolved it with their customary that they heard shots ring out from be- miest weapon on the market today; aplomb. Au expert was dug up who hind the picket fence and saw a puff of that its telescopic sight was loose and testified that in a Mannlicher-Carcano smoke drift into the air. Additional evi- had to be realigned before Commission rifle, the chamber is so tight that no dence supporting this can be found in the experts could Care it: that the 20-year-old nitrates arc emitted upon firing; and Zapruder film published in Life. which ammunition he would have had to use the Commission used this testimony to reveals that the President was slammed could not have been relied on to fire dismiss the whole subject. Howes Cr, the backward by the impact of a bullet; un- accurately, if at all; that the rifle quite inventor of the nitrate test subsequently less you abrogate Newton's third law of • possibly was taken from Oswald's home tested the Nlannlicher-Carcano and found motion, this means the President was shot after the assassination and planted in that it did lmtve nitrate traces. He was from the front. Also—though they were ' the Depository; that the Commission's not called to testify by the Warren Com- contradicted later—several of the doctors own chronology of Oswald's movements mission. So the nitrate test alone is incon- at Parkland Hospital who examined the made it highly implausible for him to trovertible proof that Oswald did not fire President's neck wound contended it was fire three shots, wipe the rifle clear of a rifle on November 22nd. We've also an entrance wound, which would cer- lingerprints—there were none found ott found some new evidence that shows that tainly tend to indicate that Kennedy was it—bide the rifle under a stack of books Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano was not the shot from the front. In the course of our and rush down four flights of stairs to only weapon discovered in the Depository investigation, we've uncovered additional secoud floor, all in the few seconds Building after the assassination. I recent- evidence establishing absolutely that there it took Roy Truly and Officer Marriott ly traveled to New York for a conference were at least four men on the grassy Baker to rush in from the street after with Ridiartl Sprague, a brilliant man knoll, at least two behind the picket the shots and encounter Oswald stand- who's heen independently researching fence and two or more behind a small ing beside the vending machine in the technical aspects of the assassination, stone wall to the right of the fence. As I employees' cafeteria. I could cite ad- and he showed me a hitherto unpub- reconstruct it from the still-incomplete ditional evidence proving that Oswald licised collection of film dips from a evidence in our possession, one man fired didn't fire a rifle from the sixth floor motion picture taken of the assassination at the President from cads location, while "' of the Depository, but it would just be a and its aftermath. Part of the film, shot the role of his companion was to snatch recapitulation of the excellent books of shortly after one P.m., shows the Dallas up the cartridges as they were ejected. the critics, to which I relcr your readers. police carrying the assassinaticat weapon Parenthetically, a book on firearms There are a number of factors that we've out of the Book Depository. They stop dtaracteristics was found in Ferrie's apart- examined independently during the for the photographers and an officer holds ment. It was filled with underlining and course of our investigation that also the rifle up above his head so that the marginal notations. and the most heavily prove Oswald didn't shout at the Presi- inquisitive crowd can look at it. There's annotated section was one describing the dent. For one thing. the nitrate test ad- just one little flaw here: This rifle dots direction and distance a cartridge travels ministered to Oswald on the day of the not base a telescopic sight, and thus can- from a rifle after ejection. Scribbled ott a assassination clearly exonerated him of not be Oswald's rifle. This weapon was bookmark in this section, in Ferrie's basing fired a rifle within the past 24 taken from the building approximately handwriting, were the figures. not men- hours. He had nitrates on both hands. 20 minutes before Oswald's Mantslicher- tioned in the text, "50° and II feet"— but no nitrates on Isis cheek—which Carcano was "discovered"—or planted— which indicates the possibility t I means it was impossible for him to have hat i er- on the premises. To sum up: Oswald was rie had test-fired a rifle and plotted the fired a rifle. The fact that he had nitrates involved its the conspiracy; shots were distance from the gunman CO where the ou both hands is regarded in the nitrate fired at Kennedy from the Depository ejected cartridges would fall. But to re- test as a sign of innocence: it's the same but also from the grassy knoll and appar- turn to the sceue of the crime. it seems as having nitrites on neither hand. This ently from the Dal-Tex Building as well virtually certain that the cartridges, along is because so many ordinary objects leave —but not one of them was fired by Lee with the rifles, were then thrown into the traces of nitrate on the hands. You're Harvey Oswald, and not one of them trunk of a car—parked directly behind smoking a cigar. for example—tobacco from his Mannlicher-Care:too. the picket fence—which was driven from contains nitrate: so if you were tested PLAYBOY: If Oswald didn't shoot Presi- the scene some hours after the assassina- right now, you'd have nitrate on your deut Kennedy from the sixth-floor win- tion. If there had been a thorough search 165

on November 24, I963—a right hand but not on your left. I'm dow of the Book Depository. who did? PLAYBOY: Even it Oswald was a scapegoat smoking it pipe, which I interchange be- GARRISON: Our office has developed evi- iii the alleged conspiracy. why do you tween my hands, so I'll have traces of dence that the President was assassinated believe he coulthri also have been one nitrate on both hands but not on my by a precisiott guerrilla want of at least of those who shot at the President? cheeks. The morning of the assassina- seven men, including anti-Castro adven- GARRISON: If there's one thing the War- tion. Oswald was moving crates in a turers and 1310111301 of the paramilitary ren Commission and its 21i %plumes of newly painted room, whidt was likely to right. Of course. the Ministry of Truth supportive evidence demcnistrate croalu- base left traces of nitrate on both his concluded—by scrupulously ignoring the shyly. its that Lee Harm Oswald did hands. Now. of course, if the nitrate test most compelling evidence and carefully not shoot John Kennelly on November had proved positive. and Oswald did selecting only those facts that conformed 22. 1963. Of course, the Commission have nitrate out one hand amI on Iris to its preconceived thesis of a lone assassin concluded not only that Oswald final at cheek. that would still not constitute —that "Ito credible evideitce suggests the President but that he was a marks- proof positive that he'd fired a gun, that the shots were fired from . . . any man, that he bad enough time to "fire because the nitrates could have been left place other than the Texas School Book three shots. with two hits, within 4.8 by a substance other that' gunpowder. Depository Building." But anyone who and 5.0 seconds." that his fsfamtlicher- But the fact that lie had no nitrate what- takes the time to read the Warren Report nl Carcano was an accurate rifle. etc—but soever on his cheek is ineluctable proof will find that of the witnesses in Dealey all these conclusions are acaually in direct that he never fired a rifle that day. If he Plaza who were able to assess the origin contradiction of the evidence within the had washed his face to remove the nitrate of the shots. almost two thirds said they Commission's own 20 volumes. By culling before the test was administered, there aline from the grassy-knoll area in front and coordinating that evidence, dm lead- would have been none on his hands and to the right of the •Presidential lim- ing critics of the Commission have either—unless he was in the habit of ousine and not from the Book Depository. proved that Oswald was a mediocre washing with gloves on. This was a sticky which was to the rear of the President. A shot: that the Mannbrims-Camino rifle problem for die Warren Commission, but number of reliable witnesses testified he allegedly used was about the crum- they resolved it with their customary that they heard shots ring out from be- miest weapon on the market today; aplomb. Au expert was dug up who hind the picket fence and saw a puff of that its telescopic sight was loose and testified that in a Mannlicher-Carcano smoke drift into the air. Additional evi- had to be realigned before Commission rifle, the chamber is so tight that no dence supporting this can be found in the experts could fire it: that the 20-year-old nitrates arc emitted upon firing; and Zapruder film published in Life. which ammunition he would have had to use the Commission used this testimony to reveals that the President was slammed could not have been relied on to fire dismiss the whole subject. Howes Cr, the backward by the impact of a bullet; un- accurately, if at all; that the rifle quite inventor of the nitrate test subsequently less you abrogate Newton's third law of • possibly was taken from Oswald's home tested the Nlannlicher-Carcano and found motion, this means the President was shot after the assassination and planted in that it did prase nitrate traces. He was from the front. Also—though they were ' the Depository; that the Commission's not called to testify by the Warren Com- contradicted later—several of the doctors own chronology of Oswald's movements mission. So the nitrate test alone is incon- at Parkland Hospital who examined the made it highly implausible for him to trovertible proof that Oswald did not fire President's neck wound contended it was fire three shots, wipe the rifle clear of a rifle on November 22nd. We've also an entrance wound, which would cer- lingerprints—there were none found ott found some new evidence that shows that tainly tend to indicate that Kennedy was it—bide the rifle under a stack of books Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano was not the shot from the front. In the course of our and rush down four flights of stairs to only weapon discovered in the Depository investigation, we've uncovered additional setoud floor, all in the few seconds Building after the assassination. I recent- evidence establishing absolutely that there it took Roy Truly and Officer Marriott ly traveled to New York for a conference were at least four men on the grassy Baker to rush in from the street after with Ridiartl Sprague, a brilliant man knoll, at least two berth'd the picket the shots and encounter Oswald stand- who's been independently researching fence and two or more behind a small ing beside the vending machine in the technical aspects of the assassination, stone wall to the right of the fence. As I employees' cafeteria. I could cite ad- and he showed me a hitherto unpub- reconstruct it from the still-incomplete ditional evidence proving that Oswald licised collection of film dips from a evidence in our possession, one man fired didn't fire a rifle from the sixth floor motion picture taken of the assassination at the President from cads location, while of the Depository, but it would just be a and its aftermath. Part of the film, shot the role of his companion was to snatch recapitulation of the excellent books of shortly after one P.m., shows the Dallas up the cartridges as they were ejected. the critics, to which I relcr your readers. police carrying the assassinaticat weapon Parenthetically, a book on firearms There are a number of factors that we've out of the Book Depository. They stop dtaracteristics was found in Ferrie's apart- examined independently during the for the photographers and an officer holds ment. It was filled with underlining and course of our investigation that also the rifle up above his head so that the marginal notations. and the most heavily prove Oswald didn't shout at the Presi- inquisitise crowd can look at it. There's annotated section was one describing the dent. For one thing. the nitrate test ad- just one little flaw here: This rifle dots direction and distance a cartridge travels ministered to Oswald on the day of the not base a telescopic sight, and thus can- from a rifle after ejection. Scribbled ott a assassination clearly exonerated him of not be Oswald's rifle. This weapon was bookmark in this section, in Ferrie's basing fired a rifle within the past 24 taken from the building approximately handwriting, were the figures. not men- „..! hours. He had nitrates on both hands. 20 minutes before Oswald's Matudither- tioned in the text, "50° and II feet"— but no nitrates on Isis cheek—which Carcano was "discovered"—or planted— which indicates the possibility t 'st means it was impotsible for him to have hat A r- on the premises. To sum up: Oswald was tie had test-fired a rifle and plotted the fired a rifle. The fact that he had nitrates involved its the conspiracy; shots were distance from the gunman CO where the ou both hands is regarded in the nitrate fired at Kennedy from the Depository ejected cartridges would fall. But to re- test as a sign of innocence: it's the same but also from the grassy knoll and appar- turn to the acetic of the crime. it seems as having nitrites on neither hand. This ently from the Dal-Tex Building as well virtually certain that the cartridges, along is because so many ordinary objects leave —but not one of them was fired by Lee with the rifles, were then thrown into the traces of nitrate on the hands. You're Harvey Oswald, and not one of them trunk of a car—parked directly behind smoking a cigar. for example—tobacco from his Mannlicher-Cart:too. the picket fence—which was driven from contains nitrate: so if you were tested PLAYBOY: If Oswald didn't shoot Presi- the scene some hours after the assassina- right now, you'd have nitrate on your deut Kennedy from the sixth-floor win- tion. If there had been a thorough search 165 of all vehicles in the vicinity of the grassy who was nit involved in the shooting but tiun of the President's skull and killed created a diversionary action in order to bins. Like most of the other conclusions O knoll immediately after the assassination, this itteri lll inating evidence might have distract people's attention from the snip- of the Commission, this one ennmr dios been uncovered—along with the real ers. This individual screamed, fell to the both the evident.: and the testimony of authors of the President's murder. In ad- ground and simulated an epileptic fit, eyewitnesses. The ' I that hit the President in the from of the ilea, as 4 dition to the assassins on the grassy knoll, drawing people away from the vicinity of at least two other men fired from behind the knoll just before the President's mo- the Parkland Hospital doctors recognized the President, one !rim the Book Deposi- unt:1de reached the ambush point. So —though they were later contradicted by 0. tory Building—not Oswald—aittl one, in you have at least seven people involvtsd, the military physicians at the Bethesda all probability, from the Dal-Tex Build- with four firing at the President and autopsy, and by the Wan -cu Report. ing. As it happens, a man was arrested catching him in a crossfire—just as the The second shot struck the President iii right after the assassination as he left assassins had planned at the meeting in the back; the location of this womal can the Dal-Tex Building and was taken David Ferric's apartment in September. be verdicd out by c . king the official away in a patrol car, but like the three It was a precision operation and was car- autopsy report—on which the Commis- other men detained after the assassina- ried out coolly and with excellent coordi- sion based its conclusion that this bulks tion—one in the railroad yard behind nation; the assassins even kept in contact hit Kennedy in the back of the neck and the grassy knoll, one on the railroad by radio. The President, of course, had exited from his throat—hut by perusing overpass farther down the parade route, no chance. It was an overkill operation. the reports filed by two FBI agents who and one in front of the Book Depository As far as the actual sequence of shots goes. were present at the President's autopsy in Bethesda, ;Maryland. Both stated un- Building—he then dropped out of sight you'll remember that the Warren Com- equivocally that the bullet in question completely. All of these suspects taken missiou concluded that only three bullets entered President Kennedy's back and did into custody after the assassination re- were fired at the President—one that hit nal continue through his body. I also remain as anonymous as if they'd been de- just below the back of his neck, exited fer you to a photograph of the President's tained for throwing a candy wrapper on through his throat and then passed shirt taken by the FBI, and to a drawing k. the sidewalk. We have also located an- through Governor Connally's body; one of the President's back wound made by other man—in green combat fatigues— that missed; and one that blew off a por- One of the g physicians at Be- thesda; the location of the wound in both cases correspcnids exactly—more than three inches below the President's 6•4 neck. Yet the Commission concluded that this wound occurred in his neck. This, of course, was to make it more believable that the same bullet Mud exited from the President's throat and slanted on down through Governor Connally. Even if this bullet had entered where the COW,' mission claims and then exited frosts the President's throat, it would have been possible for it to enter Governor Connal- ly's upper back at a downward angle, exit from his lower chest and lodge finally in his thigh—fired. as the Commis- sion says it was, from the elevation of the sixth-floor window of the Book De• pository—only if Connally had limn sitting in the President's lap or if the bullet bad described two 90-dgrree turns on its way from President Kennedy's throat to Governor Connally's back. Clearly, the President's throat wound was caused by the first shot, this one from the grassy knoll its front of the 1411On- :dile; anti his back wound tante from the rear. I've tdready given you my reasons , for reaching this conclusion. PLAYBOY: If the first bullet was fired from the front, why wasn't it found in the President's body. or somewhere in the Presidential limousine? GARRISON: The exact ttattne of the Presi- dent's wounds, as well as the disposition of the bullets or bullet hagments, are among the many coucealnl items in this Case. I 101d you earlier about the Men sin the grassy knoll whose sole function we believe was to catch the maridges as they were ejected from the assassins' titles. We also have reason to suspect that other members of the conspiracy may have been assigned the job of moms nig other evidence—suds as traceable bullet fragments 166 "Timmy has to tinkle."

of all vehicles in the vicinity of the grassy who was nit involved in the shooting but tiun of the President's skull and killed created a diversionary action in order to bins. Like most of the other conclusions O knoll immediately after the assassination, this itteri lll inating evidence might have distract people's attention from the snip- of the Commission, this one cnrtir dios been uncovered—along with the real ers. This individual screamed, fell to the both the evident.: and the testimony of authors of the President's murder. In ad- ground and simulated an epileptic fit, eyewitnesses. The ' I that hit the President in the from of the ilea, as 4 dition to the assassins on the grassy knoll, drawing people away from the vicinity of at least two other men fired from behind the knoll just before the President's mo- the Parkland Hospital doctors recognized the President, one !rim the Book Deposi- unt:1de reached the ambush point. So —though they were later contradicted by 0. tory Building—not Oswald—aittl one, in you have at least seven people involvtsd, the military physicians at the Bethesda all probability, from the Dal-Tex Build- with four firing at the President and autopsy, and by the Wan-en Report. ing. As it happens, a man was arrested catching him in a crossfire—just as the The second shot struck the President iii right after the assassination as he left assassins had planned at the meeting in the back; the location of this womal can the Dal-Tex Building and was taken David Ferric's apartment in September. be verdicd out by c . king the official away in a patrol car, but like the three It was a precision operation and was car- autopsy report—on which the Commis- other men detained after the assassina- ried out coolly and with excellent coordi- sion based its conclusion that this bulks tion—one in the railroad yard behind nation; the assassins even kept in contact hit Kennedy in the back of the neck and the grassy knoll, one on the railroad by radio. The President, of course, had exited from his throat—hut by perusing overpass farther down the parade route, no chance. It was an overkill operation. the reports filed by two FBI agents who and one in front of the Book Depository As far as the actual sequence of shots goes. were present at the President's autopsy in Bethesda, ;Maryland. Both stated un- Building—he then dropped out of sight you'll remember that the Warren Com- equivocally that the bullet in question completely. All of these suspects taken missiou concluded that only three bullets entered President Kennedy's back and did into custody after the assassination re- were fired at the President—one that hit nal continue through his body. I also remain as anonymous as if they'd been de- just below the back of his neck, exited fer you to a photograph of the President's tained for throwing a candy wrapper on through his throat and then passed shirt taken by the FBI, and to a drawing k. the sidewalk. We have also located an- through Governor Connally's body; one of the President's back wound made by other man—in green combat fatigues— that missed; and one that blew off a por- One of the g physicians at Be- thesda; the location of the wound in both cases correspcnids exactly—more than three inches below the President's 6•4 neck. Yet the Commission concluded that this wound occurred in his neck. This, of course, was to make it more believable that the same bullet Mud exited from the President's throat and slanted on down through Governor Connally. Even if this bullet had entered where the Com- mission claims and then exited frosts the President's throat, it would have been possible for it to enter Governor Connal- ly's upper back at a downward angle, exit from his lower chest and lodge finally in his thigh—fired. as the Commis- sion says it was, from the elevation of the sixth-floor window of the Book De• pository—only if Connally had limn sitting in the President's lap or if the bullet bad described two 90-dgrree turns on its way from President Kennedy's throat to Governor Connally's back. Clearly, the President's throat wound was caused by the first shot, this one from the grassy knoll its front of the 1411On- :dile; anti his back wound tante from the rear. I've tdready given you my reasons , for reaching this conclusion. PLAYBOY: If the first bullet was fired from the front, why wasn't it found in the President's body. or somewhere in the Presidential limousine? GARRISON: The exact ttattne of the Presi- dent's wounds, as well as the disposition of the bullets or bullet hagments, are among the many coucealnl items in this Case. I 101d you earlier about the Men sin the grassy knoll whose sole function we believe was to catch the maridges as they were ejected from the assassins' titles. We also have reason to suspect that other members of the conspiracy may have been assigned the job of moms nig other evidence—suds as traceable bullet fragments 166 "Timmy has to tinkle." —that might betray the .11,1:1,S1111. hi the chaos of November 221td. this wnultl not Rave been as difficult as it sounds. We know that a bullet. designated Exhibit number 39D by the Warren Commission, was planted on a stretcher in Parkland Medico 21/4" OPP Hospital to incriminate Oswald. The Conintisaion concluded that this bullet allegedly hit both Kennedy and Governor Connally, causing seven wounds and filters do it hmaking three bones—and emerged with• out a dent! hi subsequent ballistics tests with the same gun, every bullet was squashed completely out of shape from give pleasure and peace of mind impact with various simulated human targets. So, if the conspirators could fabri- MEDICO cate a bullet, they mull easily conceal one. But to return to the sequence of FILTER PIPES shots: Governor Connally was stntck by a 66-baffle absorbent replaceable Medico Fil- third bullet—as he himself insisted, not ters trap Juices, tars, nicotine — keep your the one that struck Kennedy in the back mouth cleaner, cooler. Change filter and your —also fired frosts die rear. A fourth shot pipe is clean. Selected, imported briar; nylon missed the Presidential limousine com- bits guaranteed bite-proof. pletely and struck the curb along the For beeistOki Color Maio,, Write Medico, to N. Seth St.. south side of Main Street. disintegrating N. T. 10512, 1)01 A-21 Thrum rarlara iao for hmutlow. into fragments; the trajectory of this bullet has been plotted backward to a point of origin in the Dal•Tex Building. The fifth shot, which struck the President in the right temple. tore off the top of his skull and snapped him back into his scat —a point overlooked by the Warren Com- mission—had to have been fired from the Insist on MEDICO FILTERS 1 Unabated grassy knoll. There is also medical evi- 10 tor 10a COLD CREST dark chant ad Also Menthol-Cool 10 for 15e (light oot1llniehlt5) dence indicating the likelihood that all additional bald shot may have been fired. The report of Dr. Robert McClelland as Jet Stream Sterling Sava,- $3.95 Filigree Parkland Hospital, for example, states $17.50 that "the cause of death was due to mas-

—that might betray the .11,1:1,S1111. hi the chaos of November 221td. this wnubl not Rave been as difficult as it sounds. We know that a bullet. designated Exhibit number 39D by the Warren Commission, was planted on a stretcher in Parkland Medico 21/4" OPP Hospital to incriminate Oswald. The Conintisaion concluded that this bullet allegedly hit both Kennedy and Governor Connally, causing seven wounds and filters do it hmaking three bones—and emerged with• out a dent! hi subsequent ballistics tests with the same gun, every bullet was squashed completely out of shape from give pleasure and peace of mind impact with various simulated human targets. So, if the conspirators could fabri- MEDICO cate a bullet, they mull easily conceal one. But to return to the sequence of FILTER PIPES shots: Governor Connally was stntck by a 66-baffle absorbent replaceable Medico Fil- third bullet—as he himself insisted, not ters trap Juices, tars, nicotine — keep your the one that struck Kennedy in the back mouth cleaner, cooler. Change filter and your —also fired frosts die rear. A fourth shot pipe is clean. Selected, imported briar; nylon missed the Presidential limousine com- bits guaranteed bite-proof. pletely and struck the curb along the For beeistOki Color Maio,, Write Medico, to N. Seth St.. south side of Main Street. disintegrating N. T. 10512, 1)01 A-21 Thrum rarlara iao for hmutlow. into fragments; the trajectory of this bullet has been plotted backward to a point of origin in the Dal•Tex Building. The fifth shot, which struck the President in the right temple. tore off the top of his skull and snapped him back into his scat —a point overlooked by the Warren Com- mission—had to have been fired from the Insist on MEDICO FILTERS 1 Unabated grassy knoll. There is also medical evi- 10 tor 10a COLD CREST dark chant ad Also Menthol-Cool 10 for 15e (light oot1llniehlt5) dence indicating the likelihood that all additional bald shot may have been fired. The report of Dr. Robert McClelland as Jet Stream Sterling Sava,- $3.95 Filigree Parkland Hospital, for example, states $17.50 that "the cause of death was due to mas-

sive head and brain injury from a gun. Other Medico shot wound of the left temple." And Filter Pipes $2.50 up yet another shot may also have been Psis Pollee outwit fired: franws 208 to 211 of the Zapruder film, which were deleted from the War- MEDICO • World's Largest Selling Pipes ren Report—presumably as irrelevant- :vet:al signs of stress appearing suddenly on the back of a street sign momentarily stn. her to romance obstructing the view between the grassy knoll and the President's car. These stress PLAYBOY COCKTAILS FOR TWO SET signs may very well have beets caused by Peden mixer for a perfect evening. Emblazoned the impact of a stray bullet on the sign. in 22k gold. I6-ounce glass mixer, stirrer and two cocktail glasses. We'll never be sure about this, however. Deluxe set includes walnut snack tray with knife hcciausc the day after the assassination, and tile for cheese cutting. the sign was removed and no (sue in Dal- las seems to know what became of it. Cocktails for Two Set, 15 Some of the gunmen appear to have Deluxe Set, 115 maxi frangible bullets, a variant of the Both prices ppd. dumdum bullet that is forbidden by Shall we enclose a gilt cad In your name? the Geneva Treaty. Frangible bullets ex- Sold check w money order to: PAM' PIODUCTS plode on impact into tiny fragments, as 919 N. Michigan Aye. did the bullet that caused the fatal Chicago,11Imors 60611 Playboy Club keybolders may wound in the President's head. Of charge by enclosing key no. count. fnitigible ladle's are icleat in a because tl icy almost guarantee massive damage and assure that uo tangible evidence will remain that ballistics experts could use to trace the murder weapon. I might also meta- that frangible bullets rornnr,t he fired from a Maonlither-Carcam,. such as the Commission concludes Oswald used to kill the President. Connally was hit—this is crystal clear origin of the shots; along with the major- from their own reactions—but it requires 0 Also parenthetically, this type of bullet ity of the witnesses to the assassination, was issued by the CIA for use in anti- 2.3 seconds just to work the bolt on is he said the shots came from the grassy Castro-exile raids on Cuba. In summa- Manislicher-Carcano rifle. To escape [WS knoll, on which he was standing—ironsstanding—front los tion. there were at least five or six shots dilemma, the Commission produced the behind the scum wall, which was only a lined at the President from front[root and magical bullet, Exhibit 399, which I few dozen feet from him, in the opposite rear by at least four gunmen, assisted by referred to earlier. Apart from the pris- direction from the Depository. Like the several accomplices, two of whom prob- tine condition of 399, the whole time Warren Commission, CBS was scrupu- Pt ably picked up the cartridges and one of sequence was the weakest link in the lously selective in its choice of evidence. whom created a diversion to draw people's Commission's shaky chain of evidence, Its broadcast wasn't a hatchet job like eyes away from the grassy knoll. At this and CBS seems to have taken it upon its the NBC show, but it was equally mis- stage of events, Lee Harvey Oswald was shoulders to resolve the problem by in- leading and, however unintentionally, no more than a spectator to the assassina- venting a new time sequence. What they dishonest, I'm :sot imputing sinister tuts- tion—perhaps in a very literal sense. As did was E0 have a photo analyst, Charles tives to CBS; it appears that its greatest the first shot rang out, Associated Press Wyckoff. examine the Zapruder film and handicap was its own ignorance of the photographer James Altgens snapped a find that certain frames were blurred. assassination, picture of the motorcade that shows a Wyckoff arbitrarily decided that these PLAYBOY, To return to your own inves- man with a remarkable resemblance to blurs were caused by Zapruder's physical tigation of the assassination: Have you Lee Harvey Oswald—same hairline, same reaction to the sound of shots ringing out discovered the identity of any of the NosNo: shape—standing in the doorway of —although by the same logic, Zapruder conspirators you say were involved iu the the Book Depository Building. Somehow could just have sneezed. Now, the actual shooting?sootilig? or other, the Warren Commission con- Warren Commission had concluded that GARRISON: I don't want to sound coy or cluded that this man was actually Billy Kennedy would not have been visible to evasive, but I'm afraid I can't comment Nolan Lovelady, an employee of the De- Oswald until Frame 210 of the Zapruder on that. All I can say is that this is ass pository, who looked very little like film; until then, he was obscured by an ongoing case and there will be more Oswald. Furthermore, on the day of the oak tree—and was first hit in Frame 222 arrests. assassination. Oswald was wearing a white or 223. But Wyckoff detected a blur in PLAYBOY: Let's movemove Onon to thethe eventsevents T-shirt under a long-sleeved dark shirt the vicinity of Frame 186; and on the that followed the assassination. What opened halfway to his waist—the same basis of this, CBS speculated that Zapru- reason do you have for believing that outfit worn by the man in the doorway— der heard a shot at Frame 186—the first Oswald didn't shoot Officer Tippit? InaInn Lovelady said that on November shot in CBS' revised time schedule— GARRISON: As I said earlier, the evidence 22nd he was wearing a short-sleeved, red- which Oswald allegedly fired at Kenne- we've uncovered leads us to suspect that and-white-striped sport shirt buttoned dy through the branches of the oak tree. two mess, neither of whom was Oswald, near the neck. The Altgens photograph CBS even speculated that the bullet were the real murderers of Tippit; we indicates the very real possibility that at lodged in the trunk of the oak tree, and believe we have one of them identified. the moment Oswald was supposed to sent a team of men with metal detectors The critics of the Warren Report have have been crouching in the sixth-floor scurrying up it, but to 110 avail; the pointed out that a number of the window of the Depository shooting Ken- commentator explained that maybe witnesses could not identify Oswald as nedy. he may actually have been standing someday more sophisticated detection the slayer, that several said the murderer outside the front door watching the devices would be developed and the bul- was short and squat—Oswald was this] Presidential motorcade. let would be found. Sure. This scenario, and medium height—midheight—and another said PLAYBOY: Between June 25th and 29th. of course, gave Oswald several extra sec- that two men were involved. The War- CBS telecast a series of four special onds in which to take careful aim and ren Commission's own chronology of fire his subsequent shots—and thus let shows revealing the findings of the net- Oswald's movements also fails to allow the Commission off the hook. The only work's awn seven-mouth investigation him sufficient time to reach the scene trouble here is that the people who con- of the assassination. CBS agreed with of Tippit's murder from the Book De- the Warren Commission's conclusimiconclusion that ducted the CBS study—like most defend- pository Building. The clincher, as farfat Oswald was the assassin, that he acted ers of the Warren Report—didn't do all as I'm concerned, is that four car- alone anti that only three shots were of their homework. They forgot, or fired; but it theorized that the first shot those to ignore, that by the Commis- tridges were found at the scene of the was fired earlier than the Warren Com- sion's own admission, the bullet that slaying. Now, revolvers do not eject car mission believed, thus giving Oswald suf-mf- missed Kennedy—the second bullet in tridges, so when someone is shot, you ficientlidera timetime toto firedim threethree well-aimedwell-aimed shots the Commission's sequence—hit the don't later find gratuitous cartridge: at the President with hishis Mannlicher-Mannlither- curb on Main Street near the railroad Strewn over the sidewalk—unless the (Tarcano--andCarcano—and overcoming the implausi- underpass 100 yards ahead of the lim- murderer deliberately takes the troublt bility of the Commission's conclusion ousine, shattering into fragments and to eject them. WeWe suspectsuspect thatthat cartridge;cartridge that he had scored two hits out of three causing superficial wounds on the face of had been previously obtained front Os shots in only 5.6 seconds. Don't you con- a bystander, James Tague. But the tra- weld's .38 revolver and left at the our sider this a logical explanation of the jectory of anyany bulletbullet Siredfired fromfrom the sixth der site by the real killers as part of tht discrepancies itsin the Commission's time floor of the Depository through the setup to incriminate Oswald. However, sequence? branches of the oak tree is such that it somebody slipped upup there.there. OfOf thethe foistfoto GARRISON: I'm afraid it's neither logical could not conceivably hit within a city cartridges found at the scene, two wen nor an explanation. In case your readers block of the underpass. So5o please excuse Winchesters and two were Remington: aren't familiar with all the ramifications me if I'm not overwhelmed by the in- —but of the four bullets Found in Offices of this question. the Commission's entire eluctable logic of CBS' presentation. And Tippet's body, three were Winchester: lone-assassin theory rests on the fact that just let me add a footnote here: CBS and one was a Remington! The last all three shots were fired, as you point made a great deal out of its assumption time I looked, the Remington-Peters out, within a period of 5.6 seconds. Now, that the blurs on Zapruder's film indi- !ManufacturingManufacturing CompanyCompany was not in the the film taken of the assassination by cated a reflexive reaction to shots ring. habit of slipping Winchester bullets Abraham Zapruder proves that a maxi- ing out But they never asked Zapruder into its cartridges, nor was the Wits mum of 1.8 seconds elapsed between the about his statement to Secret Service chester-Western Manufacturing Corn , 168 time Kennedy was first hit and Governor agents after the assassination about the pan), putting Remington bullets into its instance, a Man went to an auto sales- 0 room, gave his none as Lee Oswald, test-thove a ear at fill miles an hour— ttl Oswald couldn't drive—and, after creating an ineradicable impression on the salesman by his speeding, gratuitously remarked that Ire might go back to the Soviet Union and was expecting to tome tL into a large sum of money. Parentheti- cally, the salesman who described this "second Oswald" was subsequently beaten almost to death by unknown assailants outside his showroom. He later fled Dal- las and last year was f I dead; it was officially declared a suicide. In another instance, this "second Oswald" visited shooting range in Dallas and gave a virtuoso demonstration of marksman- ship, hitting trot only his own bull's-eye but the bull's-eyta of neighboring targets as well—thus leaving an unforgettable impression of his skill with a rifle. The real Oswalt!, of course, was a mediocre shot, and there is no evidence that he had fired a rifle since the day lie left the Marines, Consequently, the fact that be couldn't hit the side of a barn had to be offset, which accounts for the tableau at the rifle range. I could go on and on re- counting similar instances, but there is no doubt that there was indeed a "second Oswald." Now, the Warren Com- mission recognized hat the individual involved in all these activities could not be Lee Oswald; but they Bever took the next step and inquired why these inci- "Here comes our analyst. A few more visits and dents of impersonation occurred so sys- we should have him straightened out." tematically prior to the assassination. As it turned out, of course, the organizers of the conspiracy needn't have bothered to cartridges. I don't believe that Oswald Sion concluded with a straight face that go to all this trouble of laying a false shot anybody on November 22nd—not the bullets were fired not only from Os- trail incriminating Oswald. They should the President and not Tippit. If our in- wald's gun but "to the exclusion of all have realized, since Oswald was a "self- vestigation in this area proves fruitful. I other weapons." They simply chose to proclaimed Marxist," that it wasn't necessary to produce any additional evidence hope we will be able to produce in a ignore the fact that revolvers don't eject to convict him in the eyes of the mass court of law the two men who did kill cartridges and that the cartridges left so media; any other facts would simply be conveniently on the street didn't match Tippit. redundant in the face of such a convinc• the bullets in Tippit's body. PLAYBOY: Hem do you explain the fact that ing confession of guilt. PLAYBOY: You mentioned earlier that a the Warren Commission concluded that PLAYBOY: You've given your reasons so-called "second Oswald" had imper- the bullets in Officer Tippit's body had for believing that Oswald, despite his all been fired from the revolver in the sonated the real Lee Harvey Oswald be- leftist "cover," was involved with the possession of Oswald at the time of his fore the assassination in an attempt to conspirators and with the CIA. Do you arrest, to the exclusion of all other incriminate him. What proof do you have any evidence indicating that he weapons"? have of this? was also connected with the FBI, as GARRISON: The Warren Commission's con- GARRISON: I hesitate to use the words some critics of the Warren Report have clusion was made in spite of the evidence "second Oswald," because they tend to alleged? and not because of it. To determine lend an additional fictional quality to GARRISON: Let me preface my answer by if Oswald's gun had fired the bullets, a case that already makes Dr. No and saying that I believe the FBI was not it was necessary to call in a ballistics Golflfinger look like auditors' reports. givers the full picture of Oswald's CIA expert who would be able to tell if the However, it is true that before the assas- involvement. I have nothing but respect lines and grooves on the bullets had a sination, a calculated effort was made to for the Bureau and feel that if it weren't implicate Oswald in the events to come. relation to the barrel of the revolver. The for the FBI reports still available in the A young man approximating Oswald's Commission exhibits, the door would Commission called as its witness FBI description and using Oswald's name— have been dosed forever. While the CIA ballistics expert Cortlaudt Cunningham, we believe we have discovered his iden- has behaved like a cross between the and he testified, after an examination of tity—engaged in a variety of activities Gestapo and the NKVD, the FBI has the bullets taken from Tippit's body, that designed to create such a strong impres- worked assiduously in many different it was impossible to determine whether sion of Oswald's instability and culpa- areas and gathered facts that have proved or not these bullets had been fired from bility in people's minds that they would of great value to those interested in Oswald's gun. Yet, on the basis of this recall him as a suspicious character after uncovering the truth about the assassina- expert testimony, the Warren COMMIS- the President was murdered. In one don. It isn't the FBI's fault that dozens tiaq,gati,tiaq,gaSit of its reports have been classified top describes a police interview with Mrs. information on subversion and it's going secret in the Archives by order of certain Teofil Melia-, a White Russian e'rnign4 to get what it needs not from Rhodes officials in the Department of Justice. iu AlasiilkS who had befriended Oswald and scholars and divinity students but from The trouble I face today is that. after Marina. Mrs. Meller revealed, according apparently marginal figures like Lee Os- four years, not only arc these documents to the report. that "she saw the book wald with an entree into the political unavailable but the trail has grown cold Kapital, whicli was written by Kari underworld. hi many areas. Ruby is dead. Ferric is Marx. during one of these visits at Os- PLAYBOY: I f you see nothing sinister its dead. Many other witnesses with valuable wald's house and bomme very worried the FBI's relationship with Oswald. wiry information have either been murdered about it. Subject [Mr. Maier] said he did you subpoena FBI agents Regis Ken- or fled die country. checked with the FRI and they told him nedy and Warren Dc limeys to testify PLAYBOY: You mill haven't answered the that Oswald was all right." So here you before the New Orleans Parish grand question: Was Oswald involved with the have this "self-proclaimed Marxist," who jury? FBI? had defected to the Soviet Union, tried GARRISON: Regis Kennedy is one of GARRISON: Well, I just wanted to phrase to renounce his American citizenship and tire FBI agents who interrogated David my reply in such a mariner that it was now allegedly active in pro-Castro Ferrie in November 1963, and I hoped wouldn't he miacsinstrued as a broadside activities, being given a dean bill of to learn from him what information the against the entire FBI. Oswald may health by the -FBI. It's quite possible that Bureau had elicited from Ferrie. But on have been a petty informer for the Bu- this clean bill of health was originally the instructions of our old friend Attor- reau, receiving small sums of money in issued by the State Department, which, ney General Ramsey Clark, Kennedy return for information about left-wing in reply to an FBI request for informa- refused to answer the questions put to activities in the Dallas-New Orleans tion about Oswald's activities in Russia him by the grand jury on the grounds of area. But I must stress that there is no —this was shortly after his "defection'— executive privilege. Warren De Brueys is indication of any connection between assured the Bureau that he was a solid a former FBI agent based in New Orleans Oswald and the FBI with regard to the citizen. So I don't see anything sinister who also questioned Ferric in 1963. Be- assassination, and that his position with in all of this, at least as far as the FBI tween 1961 and 1963, De Brueys was the FBI was in no way analogous to is concerned. The Bureau has to obtain involved with anti-Castro exile activities his position with the CIA; the FBI retains hundreds, perhaps thousands of such informants across the country and is no more responsible for their over-all pattern of political activity than the In- ternal Revenue Service is responsible for the behavior of its confidential informants on tax-evasion matters. Oswald's possible ties to the Bureau are never mentioned in the Warren Report, but a member of the Commission, Congressman Gerald Ford, revealed in his otherwise undistinguished book. Portrait of an As- sassin, that the Commission was informed by Texas Attorney General Waggoner Carr and Dallas D. A. Henry Wade that Oswald had been employed by the FBI as an informant since September of 1962; his salary, they revealed, was $200 a month and his FBI code number was 179. The Warren Commission acted promptly on this information from two responsible Texas officials: Chief Coun- sel Rankin told the members of the Commission that "We have a dirty rumor that is very bad for the Commission - . and it is very damaging to the agencies that are involved in it and it must be wiped out insofar as it is possible CO do so by the Commission." The Commission then launched one of its typically thorough investigations: J. Edgar Hoover was asked if the alleged assassin of the President of the United States had been an employee of his; Mr. Hoover mid "No"; and the Commission closed the case. If Congressman Ford hadn't developed writer's itch, we would never even have heard of the incident. Once again, the Commission made an unwise choice between tranquility and truth. There is also other evidence linking Oswald to the FBI—though, again, not in any conspira- torial context. A Dallas police investi-

gative report dated February 17, 1964, "Prop man!" 17 ! PI in New Orleans and was seen Frequently afraid, in this case, we weren't as efficient estingly enough, the DIA is the abbrevia- O at meetings of the right-wing Cuban as two young girls who moved into Nov- tion for the Defense intelligence Agency, Democratic Revolutionary Front. I'd like el's apartment a few weeks later and, a top-secret group set up after the Bay ▪ to find out the exact nature of Dc Brueys' during a thorough house cleaning, round of Pigs to supervise the CIA and en- be relationship with Lee Oswald. As long as a penciled rough draft of a letter under a sure. increased Adrninisuration control of ;11 ▪ Oswald was in New Orleans, so was De atrip of linoleum on the kitchen-sink CIA activities—a task at which it has Brueys. When Oswald moved to Dallas, drainboard. One of the girls gave it to proved spectacularly unsuccessful. Brueys followed him. After the assassi- her boyfriend, a student at Tulane Uni- PLAYBOY: Novel sulrsequently fled New versity, and he in turn passed it on to ▪ nation, De limeys returned to New Orleans and took refuge in Ohio. Orleans. This may all be coincidence, one of his professors, who subsequently Why were you unable to obtain his but 1 find it interesting that Dc Brueys showed the letter to 1-loite May, a report- extradition? refuses to cooperate with our office— er for the New Orleans Stares-Item. May significant and Frustrating, because I feel had the letter examined by an independ- Geminate The reason we were unable he could shed considerable light on Os- ent handwriting analyst. Gilbert Fortier, ICI obtain Novel's extradition from Ohio wald's ties to anti-Castro groups. who compared it with other samples of —the reason we are unable to extradite PLAYBOY: On March 23, 1967, you or- Novel's writing and determined that the anyone connected with this case—is that dered the arrest of Gordon Novel as a draft had been written by Novel—a fact there are powerful forces in Washing- material witness in the conspiracy to as- that was confirmed by Novel's attorney, ton who find it imperative to conceal sassinate President Kennedy. and you who said that "everything in the letter as from the American public the truth have subsequently sought his extradition far as Novel is concerned is actually the about the assassination, And as a re- from Ohio. What role do you believe truth." This letter makes fascinating sult, terrific pressure has been brought to "SeaStSt--- Novel played in the alleged conspiracy? reading, It is addressed to a Mr. Weiss, bear on the governors of the states in- stSs"-e07 ,t GARRISON: I can't go into all aspects of Novel's apparent superior in the CIA. volved to prevent them from signing the Novel's activities, because we have a live Novel tells Weiss: ''l took the liberty of extradition papers and returning the case against him. Novel worked closely writing you direct and apprising you of defendants to stand trial. I'm sorry to say with David Fenie and the anti-Castro current situation expecting you to for- that in every case, these Jell-o–spined Cuban exiles. In 1961, he raided a muni- ward this through appropriate channels governors have caved in and "played the tions bunker in Houma, Louisiana, with Our connection and activity of that pe- game" Washington's way. To give them David Ferrie and a prominent anti-Castro riod involved individuals presently about the benefit of the doubt, I suppose it's exile leader, and the weapons seized were to be indicted as conspirators in Mr. also possible that they just didn't want subsequently shipped by CIA agents to Garrison's investigation." Novel goes on to aid and abet an investigation that the counterrevolutionary underground in to warn that my probe was in danger of every official effort, overt and covert, has Cuba. He also worked for the Evergreen exposing his ties to the Double-Chek Advertising Agency in New Orleans, a Corporation in Miami, which the book been made to discredit as irresponsible CIA front that alerted anti-Castro agents The Invisible Government exposes as a and unfounded. Whatever his motivation, to the date of the Bay of Pigs invasion by CIA front that recruited pilots and sabo- Governor Rhodes of Ohio, to name one, placing coded messages in radio commer- teurs for the Bay of Pigs and subsequent has said that he would allow me to extra- cials for Christmas trees. Novel himself anti-Castro adventures. Novel writes in dite Novel to stand trial on charges aris- was a paid employee of the CIA. As I the letter: "Mr. Garrison . is unaware ing from the CIA-inspired burglary of mentioned earlier, Novel's own lawyer, of Double-Chek's involvement in this the ammunitions bunker in Hourna, Stephen Plotkin, has admitted that his matter but has strong suspicions." He Louisiana—but that I would not be client is a CIA agent. On May 23, also adds that he lied to the FBI: "I have allowed under the stipulations of the 1967, Plotkin was quoted in the New been questioned extensively by local FBI extradition agreement to question him Orleans Slates-Item as saying that "his recently as to whether or not I was in- about the assassination! In other words, client served as an intermediary be- volved with Double-Chek's parent hold- it's OK for me to send a man to jail on tween the CIA and anti-Castro Cubans ing corporation. . . My reply on five a burglary rap, but I mustn't upset him in New Orleans and Miami prior to the queries was negative. Bureau unaware of April 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion." And Double-Chek association in this matter." by inquiring if he killed the President. that same day, the Associated Press, The letter indicates that Novel was grow- I'm all in favor of protecting a de- which has hardly served as my press agent ing edgy, because he complains: "We have fendant's civil rights, but this is straight in this case, reported: "When Novel first temporarily avoided one subpoena not to out of Alice in Wonderland. fled from New Orleans, he headed reveal Double-Chek activities. . . . We PLAYBOY: The New Orleans States-Item straight for McLean, Virginia, which is want out of this thing before Thursday, of June 14, 1967, quoted Novel as say- the Central Intelligence Agency suburb. 3/—/67. Our attorneys have been told to ing that if he were granted immunity This is not surprising, because Gordon expect another subpoena to appear and from the assassination investigation, he Novel was a CIA employee in the early testify on this matter, The Fifth Amend- would be willing to testify on a number Sixties." There is no doubt that Gordon ment and/or immunity and legal tactics of points, including "international fraud, Novel was a CIA operative. will not suffice." In case the CIA decided mysterious intelligence activities from PLAYBOY: If the CIA, as you charge, Novel was expendable, he seems to have November 1959 to date in the Southern not only refuses to cooperate with you taken out a kind of insurance policy: quadrant of the U. S. A. and certain is- but has actively obstructed your investi- "Our attorneys and others are in posses- lands off Florida, seditious treason, hot gation, how arc you in a position to sion of complete sealed files containing war games and cold munitions transfers, know about Novel's activities on behalf all information concerning this matter. of the Agency? In the event of our sudden departure, ten 1950-model Canadian surplus Vam- GARRISON: The people of Louisiana pay either accidental or otherwise, they are pire jet supporter fighter aircraft sad my investigators to investigate. But in instructed to simultaneously release same certain Cuban-Anglo-French sabotage this specific instance, we've benefited for public scrutiny in different areas." affairs of early 1961." Why did you re- by sheer luck. After Novel fled the city Novel concludes his little billet-doux ject his offer? in March, my investigators and the city by urging the CIA CO take "appropriate GARRISON: These are all intriguing aspects police both scoured his apartment for counteraction relative to Garrison's in- of Novel's career as a U. S. intelligence evidence, but Novel appeared to have quisition concerning us through military agent, and I'd love to hear about them 172 covered his trail pretty effectively. I'm channels, vis-it-vis the DIA man." Inter- —especially his knowledge of seditious in Dallas in I% I with her husband, 0 Robert Perrin, a gnu runner and OW- time narcotics smuggler and, dimugh police intervention, secured a job as a bartender at Ruby's Carousel Chits. Site 11101 soon alter and didn't we Ruby again until out- !tight wines she and her husband, as she tells it, attended a tourer- em e of a n ti.Cast ro exiles presided over by a lieutenant colonel—stn Army colonel. she thought. the testified that Robert Per- rin was tittered $10,non if he would run guns to the tunlerground in Cuba, and she haggled the sum up to s25,00u. Witco Perrin demanded a cash retainer, a phone call was made and, shortly after, Mrs. Rich recounts, "I had the shock of my life t knock comes au the door and who walks in but my little friend Jack Ruby.... You could have knocked me over with a feather . . . and everybody looks like . . . here comes the Savior." Ruby was the Cl. hag man- or paymaster—for the operation, and he left immediately after handing over a large sum in cash to the colonel. Mrs. Rich and her Imsbaud subsequently bowed out of the gun-smuggling deal. because, in her words, "I smelled an element that T did not want to have any pan of." Afraid of retaliation, she and Perrin fled from Dallas mid hid out in several different cities, winding up finally lairt41.■..41,0 in New Orleans. A year later, he was "They just don't make two-way mirrors like they used to." found dead of arsenic poisoning. ..Though it would be (111Ft:oh to pick it slower mid more excruciating way to kill yourself. k Was Officially declared a suicide. There are too many other instances of Ruby's anti- trcasott—but that isn't the subject of my 1 have solid evidence indicating that Castro activity to go into here. Ruby investigation. Ruby, Ferric. Oswald and others involved appears to have been the CIA's hag man FUMY: Let's move on from Cordon in this case were all paid by the CIA to for a wide variety of anti-Castro adven- Novel to Jack Ruby, who you claim perform certain functions: Ruby to smug- tures. in this connection, let me point out murdered Oswald to "silence" him. Do gle arms for Cuban exile groups. Ferric to that one of the documents classified top you have any e‘ide s cc that Ruby and train them and to fly conmerrevolution- secret in the Archives is a CIA file entitled Oswald knew each other? :try secret missions to Cuba, and Oswald "The Activities of Jack Ruby." Perhaps GARRISON: Though Ruby and the Warren to establish himself so convincingly as a this will become a Book-of-the-Month Report denied it vehemently, there is Marxist that he would win the trust of Choir selection 01 simply no question abort it. We didn't American lett-wing groups and also have September 20:41. PUWISOY: Even if Ruby was as.sociated even have to do a great deal of investiga- freedom to travel as a spy in Communist tive digging: C01111e(110113 popped up countries. particularly Cuba. But I have with certain Cohan exile groups, as you claim, couldn't all of this he totally un- everywhere we *latched the surface, reason to bdieve that none of them related 10 the assassination? PLAYBOY: What evidence do you have was a salaried agent operating under to support your charge that Ruby was a direct chain of command. In this GARRISON: .II could lc, but it isn't. As involved in anti-Castro exile activities particular case—though, as with the oth- a result of our investigation, I can say, with Oswald and Ferrie? ers involved. it scents to have been unre- with the same certitude that I can say the sun will rise in the east tomorrow GARRISON: We have evidence linking lated to his CIA work—Ruby was up to morning, that ,Jack Ruby was involved Ruby not only to anti-Castro exile at tivi- his neck with the plotters. Our investiga- ties hut, as with almost everyone else tors have broken a code Oswald used and in the conspiracy to kill John Kennedy. involved in this case, to the CIA itself. found Ruby's private unlisted telephone Much of the evidence we've uncovered Never forget that the CIA maintains a number, as of lee . written in Oswald's about Ruby's involvement relates to our great variety of curious alliances it feels notebook. The same coded number was court rase against Clay Slow, so the serve its purposes. It may be hard to found iu the address hook of :mother canon of legal ethics prevents use from imagine Ruby in a trench coat, but lie prominent figure in this case. We have broadcasting it before trial. But I will scents to have been as good an employee further evidence linking Ruby to the give you one bit of evidence, recently of the CIA as he was it pimp for the conspiracy. but it involves testimony to uncovered by our office, that links Ruby Dallas cops. Just let me add parentheti- be given in court in the future, so I can't to the conspiracy. Four days before the cally that I stress the word "employee" reveal it here. On the broader point of assassination. 011 November lfith, 19n$, a here as opposed to "agent." The CIA Ruby's involvement with anti-Castro exile young woman from Dallas named Rose employs many people in many different activity, there ant be no doubt what- Cheramie was thrown from a moving can capacities, sometimes just on a retainer soever. Let me refer you here to the tes- on a highway outside Dodo:, Louisiana. basis, and these individuals do not fall timony of Nancy Perrin Rich before the She was badly bruised and taken to the 174 under the over-all authority of the CIA. Warren Commission. This lady arrived East Louisiana Hospital in Jackson, Lotti-

in Dallas in I% I with her hushand, 0 Robert Perrin, a gnu runner and OW- time narcotics smuggler and, dimugh police intervention, secured a job as a bartender at Ruby's Carousel Chits. She 11101 soon alter and didn't we Ruby again until out- !tight wines she and her husband, as she tells it, attended a tourer- em e of a n ti.Cast ro exiles presided over by a lieutenant colonel—air Army colonel. she thought. the testified that Robert Per- rin was tittered $10,non if he would run guns to the tunlerground in Cuba, and she haggled the sum up to s25,00u. When Perrin demanded a cash retainer, a phone call was made and, shortly after, Mrs. Rich recounts, "I had the shock of my life t knock comes an the door and who walks in but my little friend Jack Ruby.... You could have knocked me over with a feather . . . and everybody looks like . . . here comes the Savior." Ruby was the Cl. hag man- or paymaster—for the operation, and he left immediately after handing over a large sum in cash to the colonel. Mrs. Rich and her Imsbaud subsequently bowed out of the gun-smuggling deal. because, in her words, "I smelled an element that T did not want to have any pan of." Afraid of retaliation, she and Perrin fled from Dallas mid hid out in several different cities, winding up finally lairt41.■..41,0 in New Orleans. A year later, he was "They just don't make two-way mirrors like they used to." found dead of arsenic poisoning. ..Though it would be (111Ft:oh to pick it slower mid more excruciating way to kill yourself. k Was officially declared a suicide. There are too many other instances of Ruby's anti- trcasott—but that isn't the subject of my 1 have solid evidence indicating that Castro activity to go into here. Ruby investigation. Ruby, Ferric. Oswald and others involved appears to have been the CIA's hag man FUMY: Let's move on from Cordon in this case were all paid by the CIA to for a wide variety of anti-Castro adven- Novel to Jack Ruby, who you claim perform certain functions: Ruby to smug- tures. in this connection, let me point out murdered Oswald to "silence" him. Do gle arms for Cuban exile groups. Ferric to that one of the documents classified top you have any e‘ide s cc that Ruby and train them and to fly conmerrevolution- secret in the Archives is a CIA file entitled Oswald knew each other? :try secret missions to Cuba, and Oswald "The Activities of Jack Ruby." Perhaps GARRISON: Though Ruby and the Warren to establish himself so convincingly as a this will become a Book-of-the-Month Report denied it vehemently, there is Marxist that he would win the trust of Choir select hill 01 simply no question abort it. We didn't American lett-wing groups and also have September 20:41. PUWISOY: Even if Ruby was as.sociated even have to do a great deal of investiga- freedom to travel as a spy in Communist tive digging: C01111e(110113 popped up countries. particularly Cuba. But I have with certain Cohan exile groups, as you claim, couldn't all of this he totally un- everywhere we *latched the surface, reason to bdieve that none of them related 10 the assassination? PLAYBOY: What evidence do you have was a salaried agent operating under to support your charge that Ruby was a direct chain of command. In this GARRISON: .II could lc, but it isn't. As involved in anti-Castro exile activities particular case—though, as with the oth- a result of our investigation, I can say, with Oswald and Ferrie? ers involved. it scents to have been unre- with the same certitude that I can say the sun will rise in rite east tomorrow GARRISON: We have evidence linking lated to his CIA work—Ruby was up to morning, that ,Jack Ruby was involved Ruby not only to anti-Castro exile at tivi- his neck with the plotters. Our investiga- ties hut, as with almost everyone else tors have broken a code Oswald used and in the conspiracy to kill John Kennedy. involved in this case, to the CIA itself. found Ruby's private unlisted telephone Much of the evidence we've uncovered Never forget that the CIA maintains a number, as of lee . written in Oswald's about Ruby's involvement relates to our great variety of curious alliances it feels notebook. The same coded number was court rase against Clay Slow, so the serve its purposes. It may be hard to found iu the address hook of :mother canon of legal ethics prevents use from imagine Ruby in a trench coat, but lie prominent figure in this case. We have broadcasting it before trial. But I will scents to have been as good an employee further evidence linking Ruby to the give you one bit of evidence, recently of the CIA as he was it pimp for the conspiracy. but it involves te80111011y to uncovered by our office, that links Ruby Dallas cops. Just let me add parentheti- be given in court in the future, so I can't to the conspiracy. Four days before the cally that I stress the word "employee" reveal it here. On the broader point of assassination. 011 November 1St In, 19n$, a here as opposed to "agent." The CIA Ruby's involvement with anti-Castro exile young woman from Dallas named Rose employs many people in many different activity, there ant be no doubt what- Cheramie was thrown from a moving can capacities, sometimes just on a retainer soever. Let me refer you here to the tes- on a highway outside Dodo:, Louisiana. basis, and these individuals do not fall timony of Nancy Perrin Rich before the She was badly bruised and taken to the 174 under the over-all authority of the CIA. Warren Commission. This lady arrived East Louisiana Hospital in Jackson, Lotti- siana. When she came out of sedation. lio doubt in Ruby's mind that he would forced over a year later to beg Earl War- on November 19th, she was distraught be arrested, he could very well have eo- ren in take him hack to 'Washington, be- and sobbed that she had been thrown n-milted hopes of escaping convictiou. cause he wanted to tell the truth about tint of the car by :ASSOCialeti of a man You've got to remember the atmosphere "why my act was committed, but it can't 'tamed Jaik Ruby in Dallas. She claimed in Dallas and across the country at that be said here . . my life is in clauger to have been sent by Ruby from Dallas time: when word was flashed to the trowel litre." Rut Ruby never got to Washing- to Miami to pick op a shipment of outside the jail that Oswald had been ton. and he's joined the long list of wit- narcotics. When asked by a hospital shot., they burst into wild applause. nesses with vital information who have attendant—who fortuttately took notes of Ruby's lawyer, Tom Howard, spoke for a shuttled off this mortal coil. her remarks, in case the police had to be sizable segment of public opinion when PLAYBOY: Penn Jones. Norman Mailer called in—why she bad been hurled he said, "I think Ruby deserves a Con- from the rr, she replied that narcotics gressional Nledal," and the largest. and others have charged that Ruby was smuggling was one thing, but she drew circulation newspaper in the country. the injected with live cancer cells in order to the line at murder. The President. she NPU, Pork Daily INIP10.1, editorialized alter silence him. Do you agree? said. was going to be killed in Dallas Oswald's death that "the only good GARRISON: I agree or disagree, since within a few days. At this point, sadly murderer is a dead murderer and the I have no evidence one way or the other. enough, the hospital authorities scented to only good Communist a dead Commu- Rut we have discovered that David dismiss her as hysterical and lost interest inst." In the two days between his arrest Ferric had a rather curious hobby hi addi- in her story. although site repeated it in and his liquidation. Oswald had been tion to his study of cartridge trajectories: detail the next day. After the :assassina- convicted by the mass media as the Presi- cancer research. He filled his apartment tion, of course. people io the hospital be. dent's assassin and as a Communist, and with white mice—at one point he had came interested once more, but she had Ruby may well have felt that he would almost 2000, and neighbors complained— already checked out, leaving no forward- be acquitted for murdering such a uni- wrote a medical treatise On the subject ing address other than Dallas. Texas, serially despised figure. It turned out, of and worked with a number of New Or- There the story stood until a few months course, that he was wrong. and he be- leans doctors on means of inducing ago, when we began searching for Miss came a prisoner of the Dallas police, cancer in mice. After die assassination, Cheramie, but it was too late. After the assassination. she was killed by a hit-and. run driver on a highway outside Dallas. PLAYBOY: If Jack Ruby was really the sinister and cunning figure you paint him, why would he kill Oswald in the Dallas city jail, where his own appre- hension and conviction for murder were inevitable? Wasn't this more logically the act of a temporarily deranged malt? GARRISON: First of all, let me dispose of this concept of the "temporarily deranged man." This is a catchall term, employed whenever the real motive of a crime can't he Railed down. In the over- whelming majority of instances, the ac- tions of human beings are the direct consequences of discernible motives. This is the fatal flaw of the Warren Report —its conclusion that the assassination of President Kennedy was the act of a temporarily deranged matt, that the murder of Officer Tippit was equally meaningless and, finally, that jack Ruby's murder of Oswald was another act of a temporarily deranged individual. It is, of course. wildly improbable that all three acts were coincidentally the aberrant acts of temporarily deranged men—although it's most convenient to view them as such, because that judgment obviates the necessity of relentlessly investigating the possibility of a conspiracy. In Jack Ruby's case, his murder of Lee Oswald was the sanest act he ever committed; if Oswald had lived another day or so. he very probably would have named names, and Jack Ruby would have been convicted as a conspirator in the assassination plot. As it was, Ruby made the best of a bad situation by rubbing out Oswald its the Dallas city jail. since this act could be construed as an argument that he was "temporarily deranged." Rut "Stone walls do not a prison make, butt throw in I differ with the assumption of your ques- armed guards and a general lad: tion. because, while there could have been of amenities, and you've got something." 175

siana. When she came out of sedation. lio doubt in Ruby's mind that he would forced over a year later to beg Earl War- on November 19th, she was distraught be arrested, he could very well have eo- ren in take him hack to 'Washington, be- and sobbed that she had been thrown n-milted hopes of escaping convictiou. cause he wanted to tell the truth about tint of the car by :ASSOCialeti of a man You've got to remember the atmosphere "why my act was committed, but it can't 'tamed Jaik Ruby in Dallas. She claimed in Dallas and across the country at that be said here . . my life is in clauger to have been sent by Ruby from Dallas time: when word was flashed to the trowel litre." Rut Ruby never got to Washing- to Miami to pick op a shipment of outside the jail that Oswald had been ton. and he's joined the long list of wit- narcotics. When asked by a hospital shot., they burst into wild applause. nesses with vital information who have attendant—who fortuttately took notes of Ruby's lawyer, Tom Howard, spoke for a shuttled off this mortal coil. her remarks, in case the police had to be sizable segment of public opinion when PLAYBOY: Penn Jones. Norman Mailer called in—why she bad been hurled he said, "I think Ruby deserves a Con- from the rr, she replied that narcotics gressional Nledal," and the largest. and others have charged that Ruby was smuggling was one thing, but she drew circulation newspaper in the country. the injected with live cancer cells in order to the line at murder. The President. she NPU, Pork Daily INIP10.1, editorialized alter silence him. Do you agree? said. was going to be killed in Dallas Oswald's death that "the only good GARRISON: I agree or disagree, since within a few days. At this point, sadly murderer is a dead murderer and the I have no evidence one way or the other. enough, the hospital authorities scented to only good Communist a dead Commu- Rut we have discovered that David dismiss her as hysterical and lost interest inst." In the two days between his arrest Ferric had a rather curious hobby hi addi- in her story. although site repeated it in and his liquidation. Oswald had been tion to his study of cartridge trajectories: detail the next day. After the :assassina- convicted by the mass media as the Presi- cancer research. He filled his apartment tion, of course. people io the hospital be. dent's assassin and as a Communist, and with white mice—at one point he had came interested once more, but she had Ruby may well have felt that he would almost 2000, and neighbors complained— already checked out, leaving no forward- be acquitted for murdering such a uni- wrote a medical treatise On the subject ing address other than Dallas. Texas, serially despised figure. It turned out, of and worked with a number of New Or- There the story stood until a few months course, that he was wrong. and he be- leans doctors on means of inducing ago, when we began searching for Miss came a prisoner of the Dallas police, cancer in mice. After die assassination, Cheramie, but it was too late. After the assassination. she was killed by a hit-and. run driver on a highway outside Dallas. PLAYBOY: If Jack Ruby was really the sinister and cunning figure you paint him, why would he kill Oswald in the Dallas city jail, where his own appre- hension and conviction for murder were inevitable? Wasn't this more logically the act of a temporarily deranged malt? GARRISON: First of all, let me dispose of this concept of the "temporarily deranged man." This is a catchall term, employed whenever the real motive of a crime can't he Railed down. In the over- whelming majority of instances, the ac- tions of human beings are the direct consequences of discernible motives. This is the fatal flaw of the Warren Report —its conclusion that the assassination of President Kennedy was the act of a temporarily deranged matt, that the murder of Officer Tippit was equally meaningless and, finally, that jack Ruby's murder of Oswald was another act of a temporarily deranged individual. It is, of course. wildly improbable that all three acts were coincidentally the aberrant acts of temporarily deranged men—although it's most convenient to view them as such, because that judgment obviates the necessity of relentlessly investigating the possibility of a conspiracy. In Jack Ruby's case, his murder of Lee Oswald was the sanest act he ever committed; if Oswald had lived another day or so. he very probably would have named names, and Jack Ruby would have been convicted as a conspirator in the assassination plot. As it was, Ruby made the best of a bad situation by rubbing out Oswald its the Dallas city jail. since this act could be construed as an argument that he was "temporarily deranged." Rut "Stone walls do not a prison make, butt throw in I differ with the assumption of your ques- armed guards and a general lad: tion. because, while there could have been of amenities, and you've got something." 175 one of these physicians. Dr. Mary Sher- in the Archives. Then we'll all have a hemorrhage. Have you subsequently re- ITlall, was found hacked to death with a chance to see for ourselves how clear solved the discrepancy its your points of kitchen knife in her New Orleans apart- it is that Ferric wasn't involved. Every view? ment. Her murder is listed as unsolved. sa-ap of evidence we've uncovered—and GARRISON: Dr. Nicholas Giulia is an Ferrie's experiments may have been pure- it hasn't been difficult to find—reveals excellent coroner, and inasmuch as he ly theoretic-if and Dr. Sherman's death not only the fact of his involvement but found a total absence of traceable poi- completely unrelated to her association the reasons for it. His politics were ultra- sons or barbiturates in Ferris's system, I with Ferric; but I do find it interesting right wing. as I indicated earlier, but would respect his opinion that it was a that Jack Ruby died of cancer a few we've been able to determine conclu- natural death. On the other hand. I can't weeks after his conviction for murder sively that his motivation was closer to help but lend a certain weight to two had Wen overruled in appeals court and that of the Cuban exiles on the "op- he was ordered to stand trial outside of erative" level—a burning hatred of suicide notes Ferrie left in his apartment, Dallas—thus allowing him to speak Fidel Castro. When Castro was a guerrilla one of which said how sweet it was to freely if he 30 desired. I would also note in the Sierra Maestra. Ferric is reliably finally leave this wretched life. I suppose that there was little hesitancy in killing reported to have piloted guns for him. it could just be a weird coincidence that Lee Harvey Oswald in order to prevent But in 1959. when Castro started to the night Ferrie penned two suicide hini from talking, so there is no reason to show his Marxist colors, Ferric appears notes, he died of natural causes. suspect that any more consideration to have felt betrayed and reacted PLAYBOY: Your critics have charged that would have been shown Jack Ruby if he against Castro with all the bitterness of is your relentless investigation of Ferric had posed a threat to the architects of suitor jilted by his girl. From that mo- and the publicity the press gave to your the conspiracy. ment on, he dedicated himself to Castro's charges against him induced the state PLAYBOY: You've claimed that many of overthrow and began working with of hypertension that was said to have the people involved in the conspiracy exile groups such as the Cuban Demo- caused his fatal hemorrhage. Do you feel were "neo-Nazi" in their political orien- cratic Revolutionary Front and planning in any way responsible for Ferrie's death? tation. What would motivate Ruby, a airborne missions against Castro's military GARRISON: I had nothing but pity for Jew, to work with such people? installations. He was reported to have Dave Ferric while he was alive, and I GARRISON: Money. As far as my office been paid up to $1500 a mission by an have nothing but pity for him now that has been able to determine. Jack Ruby ex-Batista official named Eladio del he's dead. Ferris was a pathetic and tor- had no strong political views of his own. Valle. But I haven't been able to check tured creature, a genuinely brilliant man Historically, of course. there have been a out Del Valle's involvement with Ferric, whose twisted drives locked him into his number of self-hating Jews who abetted because on February 22, 1967, the same own private hell. If I had been able to their own tormentors: Adolf Hitler's day Ferric died in New Orleans. Del help Ferrie, I would have; but he was mentor in Vienna, Karl Lueger, was born Valle's head was split open by a hatchet a Jew. and I understand that one of the and he was shot through the heart in Mi- in too deep and he was terrified. From leading pro-Nazis in New York City. a ami. His murder is listed as unsolved by the moment he realized we bad looked retired millionaire who finances anti- the Miami police. In any case, Ferrie was behind the facade and established that Jewish activity across the country, is the recruited by the CIA, which employed Lee Oswald was anything but a Commu- son of a rabbi. But I don't believe Jack hundreds of such people in their network nist, from the moment he knew we had Ruby falls into this category; he was just of anti-Castro exile activities. From the discovered the role of the CIA and anti- a hoodlum out for a buck. I will say— Bay of Pigs on. he hated Kennedy as much Castro adventurers in the assassination, with the understanding that it's pure as he did Castro; he felt that J. F. K. Ferrie began to crumble psychologically. speculation—it's not impossible that Jack had betrayed the invasion brigade by not So, to answer your question directly—yes, Ruby developed certain guilt feelings in sending its air cover. As the events I I suppose I may have been responsible for prison over his role in the plot. Remem- described earlier led to a ditente between Ferris's death. If I had left this case ber his repeated lament. "Now there will Russia and America, and as the FBI— alone, if I had allowed Kennedy's mur- be pogroms. They will kill all the Jews."? under Kennedy's orders—started crack- derers to continue to walk the streets of Most people assumed this was just the ing down on the CIA-supported anti- America unimpeded, Dave Ferrie would fantasy of a crumbling mind. But maybe Castro underground, Ferris's hatred for probably be alive today. I don't feel per- Jack Ruby knew better than the rest of Kennedy grew more and more obsessive. sonally guilty about Ferrie's death, but I its what the master-racist authors of the Let me add here that this isn't just specu- do feel terribly sorry for the waste of an- assassination had in mind for the country. lation on my part: we have a number other human being. In a deeper sense. PLAYBOY: Let's move on from Jack Ruby of reliable witnesses who were privy to though, Dave Ferric died on November to David Ferrie. Wesley Liebeler. the Ferrie's thoughts at this period and saw 22, 1963. From that moment oil, he Warren Commission counsel who handled his hatred of Kennedy develop into a couldn't save himself, and I couldn't the New Orleans end of the inquiry, said driving force. After the assassination, as save him. Ferrie could have quoted as Ferrie "was picked up shortly after the a matter of fact, something psychologi- his epitaph the last words of the Serb assassination and questioned by local cally curious happened to Ferrie: He partisan leader Draja Nlikbailovitch be- officials of the FBI. I remember spe- dropped out of anti-Castro exile activi- fore Tito shot him for collaboration: "I cifically doing up a substantial stack of ties, left the pay of the CIA and drifted was swept up in the gales of history." FBI reports on Ferrie that we reviewed aimlessly while his emotional problems PLAYBOY: Many of the professional critics in order to make our determination." He increased to the point where he was of the Wan-en Commission appear to be states that the FBI reports on Ferric were totally dependent on huge doses of tran- prompted by political motives: Those on not included in the Commission's 26 quilizers and barbiturates. I don't know the left are anxious to prove Kennedy volumes of evidence, "because it was so if Ferrie ever experienced any guilt was murdered by a conspiracy within the clear he wasn't involved." Why do you about the assassination itself; but in his establishment; and those on the right are refuse to accept this explanation? last months, he was a tortured man. eager to prove the assassination was an GARRISON: I think its a lovely explana- PLAYBOY: After Ferries death, you called act of "the international Communist con- tion. Now perhaps Mr. Liebeler will in- it "an apparent suicide," but the coroner spiracy." Where would you place your- tercede with the Department of Justice announced that the autopsy showed death self on the political spectrum—right, to release 25 pages of the FBI report out was due to a ruptured blood vessel at the left or center? 176 Ferrie that have been classified top secret base of the brain. which caused a fatal GARRISON: That's a question I've asked

one of these physicians. Dr. Mary Sher- in the Archives. Then we'll all have a hemorrhage. Have you subsequently re- ITlall, was found hacked to death with a chance to see for ourselves how clear solved the discrepancy its your points of kitchen knife in her New Orleans apart- it is that Ferric wasn't involved. Every view? ment. Her murder is listed as unsolved. sa-ap of evidence we've uncovered—and GARRISON: Dr. Nicholas Giulia is an Ferrie's experiments may have been pure- it hasn't been difficult to find—reveals excellent coroner, and inasmuch as he ly theoretic-if and Dr. Sherman's death not only the fact of his involvement but found a total absence of traceable poi- completely unrelated to her association the reasons for it. His politics were ultra- sons or barbiturates in Ferris's system, I with Ferric; but I do find it interesting right wing. as I indicated earlier, but would respect his opinion that it was a that Jack Ruby died of cancer a few we've been able to determine conclu- natural death. On the other hand. I can't weeks after his conviction for murder sively that his motivation was closer to help but lend a certain weight to two had Wen overruled in appeals court and that of the Cuban exiles on the "op- he was ordered to stand trial outside of erative" level—a burning hatred of suicide notes Ferrie left in his apartment, Dallas—thus allowing him to speak Fidel Castro. When Castro was a guerrilla one of which said how sweet it was to freely if he 30 desired. I would also note in the Sierra Maestra. Ferric is reliably finally leave this wretched life. I suppose that there was little hesitancy in killing reported to have piloted guns for him. it could just be a weird coincidence that Lee Harvey Oswald in order to prevent But in 1959. when Castro started to the night Ferrie penned two suicide hini from talking, so there is no reason to show his Marxist colors, Ferric appears notes, he died of natural causes. suspect that any more consideration to have felt betrayed and reacted PLAYBOY: Your critics have charged that would have been shown Jack Ruby if he against Castro with all the bitterness of is your relentless investigation of Ferric had posed a threat to the architects of suitor jilted by his girl. From that mo- and the publicity the press gave to your the conspiracy. ment on, he dedicated himself to Castro's charges against him induced the state PLAYBOY: You've claimed that many of overthrow and began working with of hypertension that was said to have the people involved in the conspiracy exile groups such as the Cuban Demo- caused his fatal hemorrhage. Do you feel were "neo-Nazi" in their political orien- cratic Revolutionary Front and planning in any way responsible for Ferrie's death? tation. What would motivate Ruby, a airborne missions against Castro's military GARRISON: I had nothing but pity for Jew, to work with such people? installations. He was reported to have Dave Ferric while he was alive, and I GARRISON: Money. As far as my office been paid up to $1500 a mission by an have nothing but pity for him now that has been able to determine. Jack Ruby ex-Batista official named Eladio del he's dead. Ferris was a pathetic and tor- had no strong political views of his own. Valle. But I haven't been able to check tured creature, a genuinely brilliant man Historically, of course. there have been a out Del Valle's involvement with Ferric, whose twisted drives locked him into his number of self-hating Jews who abetted because on February 22, 1967, the same own private hell. If I had been able to their own tormentors: Adolf Hitler's day Ferric died in New Orleans. Del help Ferrie, I would have; but he was mentor in Vienna, Karl Lueger, was born Valle's head was split open by a hatchet a Jew. and I understand that one of the and he was shot through the heart in Mi- in too deep and he was terrified. From leading pro-Nazis in New York City. a ami. His murder is listed as unsolved by the moment he realized we bad looked retired millionaire who finances anti- the Miami police. In any case, Ferrie was behind the facade and established that Jewish activity across the country, is the recruited by the CIA, which employed Lee Oswald was anything but a Commu- son of a rabbi. But I don't believe Jack hundreds of such people in their network nist, from the moment he knew we had Ruby falls into this category; he was just of anti-Castro exile activities. From the discovered the role of the CIA and anti- a hoodlum out for a buck. I will say— Bay of Pigs on. he hated Kennedy as much Castro adventurers in the assassination, with the understanding that it's pure as he did Castro; he felt that J. F. K. Ferrie began to crumble psychologically. speculation—it's not impossible that Jack had betrayed the invasion brigade by not So, to answer your question directly—yes, Ruby developed certain guilt feelings in sending its air cover. As the events I I suppose I may have been responsible for prison over his role in the plot. Remem- described earlier led to a ditente between Ferris's death. If I had left this case ber his repeated lament. "Now there will Russia and America, and as the FBI— alone, if I had allowed Kennedy's mur- be pogroms. They will kill all the Jews."? under Kennedy's orders—started crack- derers to continue to walk the streets of Most people assumed this was just the ing down on the CIA-supported anti- America unimpeded, Dave Ferrie would fantasy of a crumbling mind. But maybe Castro underground, Ferris's hatred for probably be alive today. I don't feel per- Jack Ruby knew better than the rest of Kennedy grew more and more obsessive. sonally guilty about Ferrie's death, but I its what the master-racist authors of the Let me add here that this isn't just specu- do feel terribly sorry for the waste of an- assassination had in mind for the country. lation on my part: we have a number other human being. In a deeper sense. PLAYBOY: Let's move on from Jack Ruby of reliable witnesses who were privy to though, Dave Ferric died on November to David Ferrie. Wesley Liebeler. the Ferrie's thoughts at this period and saw 22, 1963. From that moment oil, he Warren Commission counsel who handled his hatred of Kennedy develop into a couldn't save himself, and I couldn't the New Orleans end of the inquiry, said driving force. After the assassination, as save him. Ferrie could have quoted as Ferrie "was picked up shortly after the a matter of fact, something psychologi- his epitaph the last words of the Serb assassination and questioned by local cally curious happened to Ferrie: He partisan leader Draja Nlikbailovitch be- officials of the FBI. I remember spe- dropped out of anti-Castro exile activi- fore Tito shot him for collaboration: "I cifically doing up a substantial stack of ties, left the pay of the CIA and drifted was swept up in the gales of history." FBI reports on Ferrie that we reviewed aimlessly while his emotional problems PLAYBOY: Many of the professional critics in order to make our determination." He increased to the point where he was of the Wan-en Commission appear to be states that the FBI reports on Ferric were totally dependent on huge doses of tran- prompted by political motives: Those on not included in the Commission's 26 quilizers and barbiturates. I don't know the left are anxious to prove Kennedy volumes of evidence, "because it was so if Ferrie ever experienced any guilt was murdered by a conspiracy within the clear he wasn't involved." Why do you about the assassination itself; but in his establishment; and those on the right are refuse to accept this explanation? last months, he was a tortured man. eager to prove the assassination was an GARRISON: I think its a lovely explana- PLAYBOY: After Ferries death, you called act of "the international Communist con- tion. Now perhaps Mr. Liebeler will in- it "an apparent suicide," but the coroner spiracy." Where would you place your- tercede with the Department of Justice announced that the autopsy showed death self on the political spectrum—right, to release 25 pages of the FBI report out was due to a ruptured blood vessel at the left or center? 176 Ferrie that have been classified top secret base of the brain. which caused a fatal GARRISON: That's a question I've asked myself frequemly, especially since this is my profession, I've always wondered now domittates every aspect of our life. O investigation started and 1 found myself about the judges throughout Germany The power of the states and Congress in an incongruous and disillusioning who sentenced men to jail for picking has gradually been abandoned to the battle with agencies of my own Govern- pockets at a time when their own govern- Executive Department, becnue of war ment. I can't just sit down and add up ment was jerking gold from the teeth conditions; and we've seen the creation my political beliefs like a mathematical of men murdered in gas chambers. I'm of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic sum, but I think, in balance, I'd turn up concerned about all of this because it complex totally unfettered by the checks somewhere around the middle. Over the isn't a German phenomenon; its a hu- and balances of the Constitution. Its a 0. years, 1 guess I've developed a somewhat man phenomenon. It can happen here, very real and terrifying sense, our Gov- conservative attitude—in the traditional because there has been no change and ernment is the CIA and the Pentagon, libertarian sense of conservatism, as op- there has beets no progress and there with Callum reduced to a debating posed to the thumbscrew-and-rack con- has been no increase of understanding society. Of course, you Ca spot this servatism of the paramilitary right— on the part of men for their fellow man. trend to fascism by casually looking particularly in regard to the importance What worries me deeply, and I have seen around. You can't look for such familiar of the individual as opposed to the state it exemplified in this case, is that we in signs as the swastika, because they won't and the individual's own responsibilities America are in great danger of slowly be there. We won't build Dachaus and to humanity. I don't think I've ever tried evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will Auschwitses; the clever manipulation of to formulate this into a coherent political be a different kind of fascist state from the mass media is creating a concentra- philosophy, but at the root of my con- the one the Germans evolved; theirs tion camp of the mind that promises to cern is the conviction that a human grew out of depression and promised be far more effective in keeping the popu- being is not a digit; he's not a digit in bread and work, while ours, curiously lace in line. We're not going to wake up regard to the state and he's not a digit enough, seems to be emerging from one morning and suddenly find ourselves in the sense that he can ignore his fellow prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to men and his obligations to society. I was based on power and on the inability to work. But this isn't use test. The test with the artillery supporting the division put human goals and human conscience is: What happens to the individual who that took Dachau; I arrived there the above the dictates of the state. Its origins dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was day after it was taken, when bulldozers can be traced in the tremendous war physically destroyed; here, the process were making pyramids of human bodies machine we've built since 1945, the is more subtle, but the end results can outside the camp. What I saw there has "military-industrial complex" that Eisen- be the same. I've learned enough about haunted me ever since. Because the iaw hower vainly warned us about, which the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwel- lian world where the citizen exists [or the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act. I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Govern- ment's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington. deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said. "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security. PLAYBOY: Considering all the criticism that has come your way, would you still launch your investigation into the assassination if you had it to do over again? GARRISON: As long as the men who shot John Kennedy to death in Dallas are walking the streets of America, I will continue this investigation. I have no regrets about initiating it and I have no regrets about carrying it on to its conclusion. If it takes me $0 years to nail every one of the as:cassia:5, then I will continue this investigation for SO years. I owe that not only to Jack Kennedy but to my country. 178 ".. . What time do you go on duty, Lily?" a

myself frequemly, especially since this is my profession, I've always wondered now domittates every aspect of our life. O investigation started and 1 found myself about the judges throughout Germany The power of the states and Congress in an incongruous and disillusioning who sentenced men to jail for picking has gradually been abandoned to the battle with agencies of my own Govern- pockets at a time when their own govern- Executive Department, becnue of war ment. I can't just sit down and add up ment was jerking gold from the teeth conditions; and we've seen the creation my political beliefs like a mathematical of men murdered in gas chambers. I'm of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic sum, but I think, in balance, I'd turn up concerned about all of this because it complex totally unfettered by the checks somewhere around the middle. Over the isn't a German phenomenon; its a hu- and balances of the Constitution. Its a 0. years, 1 guess I've developed a somewhat man phenomenon. It can happen here, very real and terrifying sense, our Gov- conservative attitude—in the traditional because there has been no change and ernment is the CIA and the Pentagon, libertarian sense of conservatism, as op- there has beets no progress and there with Callum reduced to a debating posed to the thumbscrew-and-rack con- has been no increase of understanding society. Of course, you Ca spot this servatism of the paramilitary right— on the part of men for their fellow man. trend to fascism by casually looking particularly in regard to the importance What worries me deeply, and I have seen around. You can't look for such familiar of the individual as opposed to the state it exemplified in this case, is that we in signs as the swastika, because they won't and the individual's own responsibilities America are in great danger of slowly be there. We won't build Dachaus and to humanity. I don't think I've ever tried evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will Auschwitses; the clever manipulation of to formulate this into a coherent political be a different kind of fascist state from the mass media is creating a concentra- philosophy, but at the root of my con- the one the Germans evolved; theirs tion camp of the mind that promises to cern is the conviction that a human grew out of depression and promised be far more effective in keeping the popu- being is not a digit; he's not a digit in bread and work, while ours, curiously lace in line. We're not going to wake up regard to the state and he's not a digit enough, seems to be emerging from one morning and suddenly find ourselves in the sense that he can ignore his fellow prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to men and his obligations to society. I was based on power and on the inability to work. But this isn't use test. The test with the artillery supporting the division put human goals and human conscience is: What happens to the individual who that took Dachau; I arrived there the above the dictates of the state. Its origins dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was day after it was taken, when bulldozers can be traced in the tremendous war physically destroyed; here, the process were making pyramids of human bodies machine we've built since 1945, the is more subtle, but the end results can outside the camp. What I saw there has "military-industrial complex" that Eisen- be the same. I've learned enough about haunted me ever since. Because the iaw hower vainly warned us about, which the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwel- lian world where the citizen exists [or the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act. I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Govern- ment's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington. deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said. "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security. PLAYBOY: Considering all the criticism that has come your way, would you still launch your investigation into the assassination if you had it to do over again? GARRISON: As long as the men who shot John Kennedy to death in Dallas are walking the streets of America, I will continue this investigation. I have no regrets about initiating it and I have no regrets about carrying it on to its conclusion. If it takes me $0 years to nail every one of the as:cassia:5, then I will continue this investigation for SO years. I owe that not only to Jack Kennedy but to my country. 178 ".. . What time do you go on duty, Lily?" a