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1 2 3 4 Adobe5 Acrobat Reader 6 7Finding Words 8 9You can use the Find command to find a complete word or part of a word in the current PDF 10document. Acrobat Reader looks for the word by reading every word on every page in the file, 11including text in form fields. 12 13To find a word using the Find command: 14 15 1. Click the Find button (Binoculars), or choose Edit > Find. 16 2. Enter the text to find in the text box. 17 3. Select search options if necessary: 18 Match Whole Word Only finds only occurrences of the complete word you enter in 19 the box. For example, if you search for the word stick, the words tick and sticky will 20 not be highlighted. 21 22 Match Case finds only words that contain exactly the same capitalization you enter in 23 the box. 24 25 Find Backwards starts the search from the current page and goes backwards through 26 the document. 27 4. Click Find. Acrobat Reader finds the next occurrence of the word. 28 29To find the next occurrence of the word, Do one of the following: 30 31 Choose Edit > Find Again 32 Reopen the find dialog box, and click Find Again. 33 (The word must already be in the Find text box.) 34 35Copying and pasting text and graphics to another application 36 37You can select text or a graphic in a PDF document, copy it to the Clipboard, and paste it 38into another application such as a word processor. You can also paste text into a PDF 39document note or into a bookmark. Once the selected text or graphic is on the Clipboard, you 40can switch to another application and paste it into another document. 41 42Note: If a font copied from a PDF document is not available on the system displaying the 43copied text, the font cannot be preserved. A default font is substituted. 44 45

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1 [REPORT OF ACTION TAKEN IN CLOSED SESSION 2 TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2009 ON PAGE 277.] 3 4 5

6SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: GOOD MORNING. I WOULD ASK-- AND WELCOME. 7I WOULD ASK EVERYONE TO PLEASE RISE. WE WILL BE LED IN OUR 8INVOCATION THIS MORNING BY FATHER RAYMOND PEREZ, SAINTS PETER 9AND PAUL CATHOLIC CHURCH IN WILMINGTON, AND OUR PLEDGE OF 10ALLEGIANCE BY MR. JACK KLAPPER, COMMANDER, VALLEY POST NUMBER 11582, THE AMERICAN LEGION. FATHER PEREZ? 12

13PASTOR RAYMOND PEREZ: GOD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, OF ALL THAT IS 14SEEN AND UNSEEN, YOU WHO SEE ALL AND KNOW EVERYTHING THAT 15HAPPENS IN EVERY CORNER OF THE EARTH, YOU WHO KNOW ALL OUR 16ACTIONS, INNERMOST THOUGHTS, AND THE MOST MINUTE STEERINGS OF 17THE HEART, WE ASK YOU AT THIS MOMENT TO WATCH OVER THIS BOARD 18OF SUPERVISORS. BLESS THE HEARTS, SOULS AND LIVES OF ALL THE 19MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND ALL THOSE CONNECTED WITH IT. BLESS 20THEIR MEETING, THEIR UNDERTAKINGS, THEIR PROJECTS AND 21ASPIRATIONS. MAY THEY HAVE FOREMOST IN THEIR MINDS AND HEARTS 22THE COMMON GOOD OF THOSE WHOM THEY SERVE. FREE THEM FROM 23ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BLIND THEM TO THE COMMON GOOD. IF A 24PARTICULAR TASK COMES EASY, MAY THEY THANK YOU FOR IT. IF A 25PARTICULAR TASK IS DIFFICULT, MAY THEY RELY ON YOUR STRENGTH.

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1DIRECT THEIR THOUGHTS, HEARTS, WORDS AND ACTIONS SO THAT ALL 2THAT RESULTS HERE MAY LEAD ONLY TO GOODNESS, JUSTICE, HARMONY 3AND GOODWILL. AMEN. 4

5JACK KLAPPER: PLEASE FACE THE FLAG. PLACE YOUR RIGHT HAND OVER 6YOUR HEART AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [PLEDGE OF 7ALLEGIANCE RECITED.] SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: AS I MENTIONED, 8IT'S A PLEASURE TO WELCOME FATHER RAYMOND PEREZ OF THE SAINTS 9PETER AND PAUL CHURCH IN-- LOCATED IN WILMINGTON. FATHER PEREZ 10IS ORIGINALLY FROM EL PASO, TEXAS, AND IN 1978, HE MOVED TO 11CALIFORNIA AT THE AGE OF 18. HE WAS ORDAINED TO THE PRIESTHOOD 12IN ORANGE COUNTY IN 1988 WHERE HE LIVED AND WORKED UNTIL 1996. 13HE CAME TO LOS ANGELES IN 1996 WHEN HE WAS ASSIGNED ASSOCIATE 14PASTOR OF MARY STAR OF THE SEA CHURCH IN SAN PEDRO, WHERE HE 15STAYED UNTIL 2000. IN 2004, HE WAS NAMED PASTOR OF SAINT 16STEPHENS IN SOUTH LOS ANGELES WHERE HE STAYED UNTIL 2006. IN 172006, HE WAS NAMED PASTOR OF SAINTS PETER AND PAUL CHURCH IN 18WILMINGTON, WHERE HE CURRENTLY IS SERVING. HE HAS BEEN A 19PRIEST FOR 21 YEARS, SO WE'D LIKE TO THANK HIM FOR TAKING THE 20TIME TO COME DOWN ONCE AGAIN AND TO LEAD US IN AN INVOCATION 21AND HIS WORDS OF WISDOM WERE VERY APPROPRIATE TODAY, FATHER, 22AS WE DISCUSS THE BUDGET. [APPLAUSE.] 23

24SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: MR. CHAIRMAN, WE WERE LED IN THE PLEDGE THIS 25MORNING BY JACK KLAPPER, WHO IS A RESIDENT OF GRANADA HILLS,

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1AND WHO IS REPRESENTING THE AMERICAN LEGION VALLEY POST NUMBER 2582. JACK IS A VETERAN OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY, SERVED FROM 31953 TO '55 IN THE FIFTH ENGINEER BATTALION COMBAT TEAM IN 4ICELAND, AND SO FROM ICELAND TO GRANADA HILLS IS A GOOD-- ON 5THE AVERAGE, YOU WERE COMFORTABLE, AS THEY SAY. HE SERVES 6CURRENTLY AS A PATIENT ESCORT AT THE VETERANS' MEDICAL CLINIC 7IN SEPULVEDA. HE'S BEEN MARRIED FOR 55 YEARS TO HIS WIFE 8VALERIE, HAS FOUR CHILDREN. HE'S LIVED IN THE DISTRICT, IN OUR 9DISTRICT FOR 42 YEARS. HE'S A GRADUATE OF NEW YORK CITY 10COLLEGE AND BAY SIDE HIGH SCHOOL IN FLUSHING, NEW YORK. I KNOW 11FLUSHING WELL. SO THANK YOU, JACK, FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR 12COUNTRY AND THANKS FOR LEADING US IN THE PLEDGE THIS MORNING. 13[APPLAUSE.] 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: MADAM EXECUTIVE OFFICER, WOULD YOU LIKE 16TO BEGIN THE READING OF OUR AGENDA? 17

18CLERK SACHI HAMAI: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE 19BOARD. WE WILL BEGIN TODAY'S AGENDA ON PAGE 3, AGENDA FOR THE 20MEETING OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, ITEM 1-H. 21

22SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: MOVED BY SUPERVISOR MOLINA. THE CHAIR 23WILL SECOND. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 24

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1CLERK SACHI HAMAI: PUBLIC HEARINGS, ITEMS 1 THROUGH 12. ON 2ITEM NUMBER 2, AS INDICATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA, SUPERVISOR 3KNABE REQUESTS THAT THIS ITEM BE CONTINUED WITHOUT DISCUSSION 4TO OCTOBER 27TH, 2009. 5

6SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. SACHI, ON-- I SHOW AN ADDITION ON 7THE GREEN SHEET OF 1-B. 8

9CLERK SACHI HAMAI: ON-- I WAS GOING TO READ THAT IN AS A 10MISCELLANEOUS. 11

12SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SORRY. 13

14CLERK SACHI HAMAI: ITEM NUMBER 2, AGAIN, IS BEING CONTINUED TO 15OCTOBER 27TH, 2009. 16

17SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. 18

19CLERK SACHI HAMAI: OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 3, AS INDICATED AN THE 20POSTED AGENDA, THE APPEAL HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND THEREFORE THE 21PROCEEDINGS WILL BE ABANDONED. 22

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1CLERK SACHI HAMAI: ON ITEM NUMBER 8, AS INDICATED ON THE 2POSTED AGENDA, SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS REQUESTS THAT THIS 3ITEM BE CONTINUED WITHOUT DISCUSSION TO OCTOBER 27TH, 2009. 4

5SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SO ORDERED. 6

7CLERK SACHI HAMAI: THE REMAINING ITEMS UNDER THE PUBLIC 8HEARING WILL BE HELD FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE'RE NOW ON PAGE 99, ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ITEMS 13 10THROUGH 24. ON ITEM NUMBER 13, AS INDICATED ON THE POSTED 11AGENDA, SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS REQUESTS THAT THIS ITEM BE 12CONTINUED ONE WEEK TO SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2009. ON ITEM NUMBER 14, 13SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH VOTES "NO" ON THIS ITEM. ON ITEM NUMBER 1415-- . 15

16SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I THINK I HAD A HOLD ON THAT, 14. 17

18CLERK SACHI HAMAI: I'M SORRY. WE DID NOT RECEIVE THAT, BUT WE 19CAN-- 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD IT. JUST SOME 22CLARIFICATIONS. 23

24CLERK SACHI HAMAI: SURE. WE'LL HOLD THAT ITEM. ON ITEM NUMBER 2515, THIS RECOMMENDATION ALSO INCLUDES THE RESOLUTION THAT

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1COUNTY COUNSEL HAS PREPARED RELATIVE TO THIS MATTER. ON ITEM 2NUMBER 20, SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH REQUESTS THAT THIS ITEM BE 3CONTINUED TWO WEEKS TO OCTOBER 6TH, 2009. ON ITEM NUMBER 21, 4THIS INCLUDES THE REVISION AS INDICATED ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL 5AGENDA, AND ALSO SUPERVISOR KNABE AND A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC 6REQUEST THAT THIS ITEM BE HELD. ON ITEM NUMBER 24, SUPERVISOR 7MOLINA REQUESTS THAT THIS ITEM BE CONTINUED ONE WEEK TO 8SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2009. THE REMAINING ITEMS UNDER THE BOARD OF 9SUPERVISORS ARE BEFORE YOU. 10

11SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ON THE REMAINDER, THE CHAIR WILL MOVE 12IT, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO 13ORDERED. 14

15CLERK SACHI HAMAI: CONSENT CALENDAR, ITEMS 25 THROUGH 31. ON 16ITEM NUMBER 25, THERE'S A REQUEST FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC 17TO HOLD THIS ITEM. ON 18

21CLERK SACHI HAMAI: ITEM NUMBER 26, AS INDICATED ON THE 22SUPPLEMENTAL AGENDA, THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER REQUESTS THAT 23THIS ITEM BE REFERRED BACK TO HIS OFFICE. 24

25SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SO ORDERED.

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2CLERK SACHI HAMAI: 26. ON ITEM NUMBER 29, THERE'S A REQUEST 3FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO HOLD THIS ITEM. 4

7CLERK SACHI HAMAI: ON ITEM NUMBER 30, SUPERVISOR MOLINA 8REQUESTS THAT THIS ITEM BE CONTINUED TWO WEEKS TO OCTOBER 6TH, 92009. 10

13CLERK SACHI HAMAI: ON ITEM NUMBER 31, SUPERVISOR KNABE VOTES 14"NO" ON THIS ITEM. AND THE REMAINING ITEMS UNDER THE CONSENT 15CALENDAR ARE BEFORE YOU. 16

17SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ON THE REMAINDER, MOVED BY SUPERVISOR 18ANTONOVICH, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY. WITHOUT 19OBJECTION, EXCEPT FOR ITEM 31, SO ORDERED. 20

21CLERK SACHI HAMAI: WE'RE ON PAGE 17, DISCUSSION ITEM, ON ITEM 22NUMBER 32, AS INDICATED ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGENDA, THE 23DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH REQUESTS THAT THIS ITEM BE CONTINUED 24ONE WEEK TO SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2009. 25

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3CLERK SACHI HAMAI: WE'RE ON PAGE 18, FISCAL YEAR 2009-10 4SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET RESOLUTION AGENDA ITEMS 33 THROUGH 50. ON 5ITEMS NUMBER 33 AND 34, THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER REQUESTS 6THAT THESE ITEMS BE CONTINUED TO OCTOBER 27TH, 2009. 7

10CLERK SACHI HAMAI: ON 36 AND 37, AS INDICATED ON THE 11SUPPLEMENTAL AGENDA, THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER REQUESTS THAT 12THESE ITEMS BE CONTINUED TWO WEEKS TO OCTOBER 6, 2009. 13

16CLERK SACHI HAMAI: AND ON ITEM NUMBER 46, ALTHOUGH THIS ITEM 17WILL BE HELD, I'M GOING TO GOING TO READ THE SHORT TITLE IN 18FOR THE RECORD. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 6 SALARIES 19OF THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY CODE RELATING TO THE ADDITION, 20DELETION AND CHANGING OF CERTAIN CLASSIFICATIONS A NUMBER OF 21ORDINANCE POSITIONS IN VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AS A RESULT OF THE 22BUDGET PROCESS FROM FISCAL YEAR 2009/10, AND THE REMAINING 23ITEMS UNDER THE SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET WILL BE HELD FOR 24DISCUSSION. 25

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3CLERK SACHI HAMAI: WE ARE NOW ON PAGE-- 46, YES, IT WILL BE 4HELD. WE'RE NOW ON PAGE 24, MISCELLANEOUS ADDITIONS TO THE 5AGENDA WHICH WERE POSTED MORE THAN 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF THE 6MEETING, AS INDICATED ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGENDA, ITEM 1-P. 7

8SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: MOVED BY SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH, THE 9CHAIR WILL SECOND. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 10

11CLERK SACHI HAMAI: 51-A. 12

13SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: MOVED BY SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY. THE 14CHAIR WILL SECOND. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 15

16CLERK SACHI HAMAI: 51-B. 17

18SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: MOVED BY SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH. SECONDED 19BY SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS. 20

21CLERK SACHI HAMAI: 51-C. 22

23SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: MOVED BY SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH. SECONDED 24BY SUPERVISOR MOLINA. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 25

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1CLERK SACHI HAMAI: 51-D. 2

3SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: 51-D, MOVED BY SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH. 4CHAIR WILL SECOND. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 5

6CLERK SACHI HAMAI: AND ON ITEM NUMBER 51-A, THERE'S A REQUEST 7FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO HOLD THIS ITEM. 8

11CLERK SACHI HAMAI: ON PAGE 26, NOTICES OF CLOSED SESSION. ON 12ITEM C.S.-1, COUNTY COUNSEL REQUESTS THAT THIS ITEM BE 13CONTINUED ONE WEEK TO SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2009. 14

17CLERK SACHI HAMAI: AND THAT THAT COMPLETES THE READING OF THE 18AGENDA. BOARD OF SUPERVISORS' SPECIAL ITEMS BEGINS WITH 19SUPERVISORIAL DISTRICT NUMBER 2. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS? SUPERVISOR 22YAROSLAVSKY? AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK JOHN FERNANDES, OUR 23ADMINISTRATOR OF OUR OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TO COME UP 24HERE TODAY. IT'S MY PLEASURE TO RECOGNIZE AND CONGRATULATE THE 25OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ON PUTTING ON YET ANOTHER

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1SUCCESSFUL NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH. NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS 2MONTH IS A NATIONWIDE EFFORT HELD EACH SEPTEMBER TO ENCOURAGE 3AMERICA TO TAKE SIMPLE STEPS TO PREPARE FOR EMERGENCIES IN 4THEIR HOMES, BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. IN 1989, THE COUNTY OF 5LOS ANGELES ADOPTED AND IMPLEMENTED THE EMERGENCY SURVIVAL 6PROGRAM ALONG WITH THE AMERICAN RED CROSS AND VARIOUS COUNTIES 7THROUGHOUT THE STATE, WHICH ENCOURAGES OUR RESIDENTS TO 8PREPARE FOR EARTHQUAKES, FIRES AND OTHER HAZARDS BY TAKING A 9DIFFERENT PREPAREDNESS MEASURE EACH MONTH. SO WE JUST WANT TO 10THANK THEM FOR ANOTHER JOB WELL DONE AND I KNOW THAT IF YOU GO 11ON OUR COUNTY WEBSITE OR ANY OF OUR INDIVIDUAL WEBSITES, YOU 12CAN LINK UP TO WHAT WE THINK IS A NATIONAL MODEL FOR THE BEST 13PREPAREDNESS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, SO, JOHN, CONGRATULATIONS TO 14YOU AND YOUR TEAM. [APPLAUSE.] 15

16JOHN FERNANDES: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SUPERVISOR KNABE. I WOULD 17LIKE TO ACCEPT THIS AND SHARE THIS ON BEHALF OF THE MANY 18PARTNERS, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT-- EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS 19PARTNERS THAT L.A. COUNTY WORKS WITH. AND ALSO THIS MONTH, 20EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS MONTH, IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR EACH 21AND EVERY ONE OF US TO RAISE OUR LEVEL OF AWARENESS IN THE 22NEED TO PREPARE IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY, SO THANK YOU 23AGAIN, SUPERVISOR KNABE, FOR THIS SCROLL. 24

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOUR TEAM 2MEMBERS? 3

4JOHN FERNANDES: I'M SORRY. WITH ME TODAY IS YVONNE WAYDE, 5WHO'S AN ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR AT THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY 6MANAGEMENT, AND ANNA MARIA TOFAYA WHO'S THE PROGRAM 7COORDINATOR FOR THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS MONTH. 8

9SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I KNOW SOMETIMES IT JUST SEEMS LIKE AN 10ORDINARY PRESENTATION, BUT THIS TEAM DOES A GREAT JOB ON 11BEHALF OF ALL OF OUR CITIZENS HERE IN THE COUNTY, SO WE THANK 12THEM VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. [APPLAUSE.] 13

14SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH? 15

16SUP. ANTONOVICH: THIS IS LITTLE MADELEINE WHO IS A SHEPHERD 17MIX, WHO'S EIGHT WEEKS OLD. YOU CAN CALL (562) 728-4644 OR 18ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADOPT LITTLE 19MADELEINE. HERE'S LITTLE MADELEINE, A LITTLE SHEPHERD MIX. I 20DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SHEPHERD IS, BUT... [LAUGHTER.] 21

22SUP. ANTONOVICH: SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE MIX. MAYBE IT'S THE 23TAIL. ANYWAY, THIS IS LITTLE MADELEINE, WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE 24A LITTLE HOME. 25

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: STILL LOOKING FOR THE SHEPHERD. AW, WHAT 2A CUTIE. AW. OKAY. WE'LL START WITH OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, 3PLEASE. 4

5CLERK SACHI HAMAI: ALL THOSE WHO PLAN TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE 6BOARD ON THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ITEMS 1 THROUGH 12, PLEASE STAND 7AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN. 8

9SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. 10

11CLERK SACHI HAMAI: [ADMINISTERING OATH.] THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE 12SEATED. WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER 1, THIS IS THE HEARING TO APPROVE 13THE SETTING OF MAXIMUM NOTIFICATION FEE FOR FILM AND STILL 14PHOTOGRAPHY AND ALSO APPROVAL OF SOLE-SOURCE AGREEMENT WITH 15FILM L.A. THIS ALSO INCLUDES-- THIS ALSO HAS CONSIDERATION OF 16RECOMMENDATIONS AS SUBMITTED BY SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH TO 17MODIFY THE AGREEMENT AS INDICATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA. THERE 18IS NO DEPARTMENT STATEMENT ON THIS ITEM, AND NO WRITTEN 19CORRESPONDENCE WAS RECEIVED. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. THE ITEM IS BEFORE US. MOVED BY 22SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS 23TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE. SO ORDERED. 24

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1CLERK SACHI HAMAI: ON ITEM NUMBER 4, THE DE NOVO HEARING ON 2PROJECT R-2006-01328-5, CONDITIONAL CASE NUMBER 2006 000099-5 3IN CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION LOCATED AT 3800 EAST COLORADO 4BOULEVARD, PASADENA, WITHIN THE EAST PASADENA EAST SAN GABRIEL 5COMMUNITY, EAST PASADENA ZONE DISTRICT, APPLIED FOR BY MIKE 6LEWIS ON BEHALF OF BAVPENDA BHAKKTA, AND THERE IS A DEPARTMENT 7STATEMENT ON THIS MATTER AND WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE WAS 8RECEIVED. 9

10SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS 11SIGNED UP, MOST ON THE SAME POSITION, SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU 12KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO TWO MINUTES, PLEASE, AND THERE WILL BE A 13TIMER UP HERE. WE'LL HAVE A STAFF REPORT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL 14CALL THOSE THAT ARE SIGNED UP. 15

16MI KIM: GOOD MORNING, SUPERVISORS. MI KIM WITH ZONING PERMITS, 17REGIONAL PLANNING. NEXT TO ME IS MARK CHILD ALSO OF REGIONAL 18PLANNING. ITEM NUMBER 4 IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST TO 19CONTINUE OPERATIONS OF A 35-UNIT, 2-STORY MOTEL IN A C-2 20NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE. THE MOTEL WAS BUILT ON THE 18,200 SQUARE 21FOOT CORNER LOT IN 1964. THE REQUEST INCLUDES REDUCTION IN THE 22NUMBER OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES SOME 36 TO 28, AND 23MODIFICATION OF THE LOCATION OF AN EXISTING SIGN FROM 25 FEET 24FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO 21 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THE 25REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION HELD FIVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THIS

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1CASE. AT THE HEARINGS, THE APPLICANT TESTIFIED THAT THE 2SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS UNDERGONE $700,000 IN RENOVATIONS AND HAS 3OBTAINED A FRANCHISE OF A DAYS INN MOTEL, SUBJECT TO THE 4OPERATING STANDARDS OF A FRANCHISE MOTEL. APPROXIMATELY A 5DOZEN PERSONS EITHER TESTIFIED IN PERSON OR SUBMITTED A LETTER 6IN SUPPORT-- LETTERS IN SUPPORT. THE PROJECT OPPONENTS 7TESTIFIED THAT THE SEFTON MOTEL HAS APPROVED IN APPEARANCE AND 8OPERATION, BUT HISTORICALLY, MOTELS IN THE AREA, INCLUDING 9THIS MOTEL WHEN IT WAS A REGAL INN, HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO 10PROBLEMS WITH ILLEGAL AND NUISANCE ACTIVITIES. ON OCTOBER 1ST, 112008, THE COMMISSION VOTED 4-1 TO DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE 12PERMIT. THE APPLICANT IS APPEALING THIS DENIAL. THIS CONCLUDES 13OUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO CALL PEOPLE UP FOUR 16AT A TIME. WHEN YOU'VE CONCLUDED YOUR COMMENTS, YOUR 17TESTIMONY, PLEASE RETURN TO YOUR SEATS AND I WILL CALL 18ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS. FIRST OF ALL, I'M GOING TO INVITE THOMAS 19EDMISTEN, SYLVIA BEEMAN, REX MOATS, AND ELIZA WHITMAN TO COME 20FORWARD FIRST. IF YOU'D IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD AND 21PROCEED WITH YOUR TESTIMONY. OKAY. WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO GO 22FIRST, PROCEED. THANK YOU. 23

24THOMAS EDMISTEN: HELLO. MY NAME IS THOMAS DAVID EDMISTEN. I'VE 25BEEN A RESIDENT OF LOS ANGELES COUNTY ALL MY LIFE. I AM AWARE

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1OF THE EAST PASADENA AREA, I LIVED WHEN I WAS IN MY 20S IN 2ARCADIA. AT THE TIME, IT WAS KNOWN TO BE AN AREA THAT WAS 3CONSIDERED TO BE A RED LIGHT DISTRICT. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, 4I'M NOT CONCERNED SO MUCH WITH THAT AS I AM THE UNUSUAL NUMBER 5OF CONVICTED AND KNOWN CHILD MOLESTERS, PERSONS OF SIGNIFICANT 6DANGER, NOT ONLY TO ALL THE CHILDREN OF THAT COMMUNITY, BUT 7PARTICULARLY TO MY THREE COUSINS THAT LIVE WITHIN WALKING 8DISTANCE OF THESE HOTELS AND ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN 9POINTED OUT. AGAIN, LET ME SIMPLY SAY I AM OPPOSED. 10

11ELIZA WHITMAN: HI. MY NAME IS ELIZA JANE WHITMAN, AND I VOTED 12FOR YOU, MR. ANTONOVICH. THIS IS YOUR REGION AND WE REALLY 13NEED A LEADER. WE NEED SOMEBODY. MR. KNABE, I DON'T KNOW IF 14YOU'RE GOING TO BE SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO BE-- MR. KNABE-- 15KNABE? ARE YOU GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THIS? BECAUSE WE NEED A 16LEADER IN TERMS OF SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO REPRESENT AND 17UNDERSTAND OUR ISSUES FOR L.A. COUNTY. THIS AREA IS A PLACE 18THAT HAS BEEN UNDER CONSIDERED, IT HAS NOT BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT 19I THINK IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER. THIS IS A PLACE WHERE WE 20BOUGHT A HOME IN 1994 AND WE HAVE JUST SEEN THE PROSTITUTION, 21THE CRIME, THE DRUGS AND THE SEX OFFENDERS RISE TREMENDOUSLY. 22THIS IS NOT FAIR. WE HAVE HEARD THAT BUSINESSES WHO HAVE JUST 23COME IN, IT HAS BEEN CALLED BY A PUBLIC DEFENDER, THE GUY WHO 24LETS OUT THE SEX OFFENDERS, HE HAS, QUOTE, SAID THAT HE WILL 25NOT LET HIS CHILD COME TO THIS AREA FOR AN ART STUDIO ACTIVITY

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1BECAUSE IT HAS UNPRECEDENTED SEX OFFENDERS, AND THAT I JUST 2DON'T UNDERSTAND. ACTUALLY, THE QUOTE IS, UNUSUALLY HIGH 3CONCENTRATION OF VIOLENT SEXUAL PREDATORS. THIS HAS BEEN 4ALLOWED ON YOUR WATCH. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS COULD 5HAPPEN. THE PASTOR THIS MORNING SAID THAT YOU WERE GOING TO 6RULE WITH HEARTS, SOULS, AND JUSTICE, AND I DON'T SEE HOW THIS 7IS JUSTICE FOR AN AREA THAT HAS SOLID COMMUNITY, WHO HAS 8CHILDREN THROUGHOUT, WHO HAS BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO DO A GOOD 9JOB AND YET A BLIND EYE HAS BEEN TURNED TO THIS REGION OVER 10AND OVER AGAIN. WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING THIS FOR THREE YEARS. 11THREE YEARS. WE'VE BEEN KNOCKING ON PEOPLE'S DOORS. I WENT 12AROUND, EVERY SINGLE SIGNATURE THAT I GOT, IT TOOK ME 15 TO 20 13MINUTES BECAUSE PEOPLE WANTED TO TELL ME HOW DISGUSTED THEY 14WERE THAT THE COUNTY WAS NOT LETTING THIS BETTER, AND WE NEED 15STRONG LEADERSHIP. AGAIN, I IMPLORE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS. 16ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO HEARD IS THE SEX OFFENDER 17MANAGEMENT BOARD HAS SAID THAT YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE 18CONCENTRATION-- 19

20SUP. KNABE,CHAIRMAN: OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO WRAP IT UP? YOUR 21TIME IS UP. 22

23ELIZA WHITMAN: THERE IS CONCENTRATION THAT THIS AREA AND THAT 24HAS BEEN ALLOWED BY L.A. COUNTY AND THE STATE HAS, I GUESS, 25MADE YOU GUYS DO THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE

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1COUNTY HAS ALLOWED THE STATE TO PUT SO MANY SEX OFFENDERS IN 2ONE AREA. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. NEXT? 5

6SYLVIA BEEMAN: GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DR. SYLVIA BEEMAN. IN 72006, JUNE, WE OPENED OUR DENTAL PRACTICE, MOVED OUR DENTAL 8PRACTICE TO 3858 EAST COLORADO BOULEVARD. UNBEKNOWNST TO US, 9THERE IS A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF PROSTITUTION, DRUG ACTIVITY, 10AND SEX OFFENDERS IN THE AREA THAT WE WERE UNAWARE OF WHEN WE 11MOVED TO THIS AREA. I MYSELF HAVE SEEN THE PROSTITUTES AND 12GENTLEMEN THAT ESCORT THEM BACK TO THE HOTELS, I'VE SEEN THIS 13FROM MY PLACE OF BUSINESS. I'VE SEEN THEM GOING INTO THE LUCKY 14STAR AND THE DIFFERENT OTHER AREA MOTELS, I'VE SEEN UNSAVORY 15CHARACTERS. ABOUT A YEAR AGO, A PATIENT OF MINE FOUND, ON THE 16WEEKEND, FOUND A WOMAN THAT WAS BEATEN. HE COULDN'T TELL IF IT 17WAS A WOMAN BECAUSE HER FACE WAS SO SWOLLEN. SHE HAD HER 18CLOTHES ON BACKWARDS, SHE WAS IN THE-- THERE'S A LITTLE NOOK 19BESIDE MY BUILDING AND HE JUST SAW LEGS STICKING OUT AS HE WAS 20PASSING BY AND CALLED THE POLICE TO COME HELP HER. THIS IS THE 21TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT END UP IN OUR STREETS AND IN OUR BUSINESS 22FRONTS. I HAVE CHILDREN IN MY PRACTICE, I SEE A LOT OF WOMEN 23AND CHILDREN. I HAVE HEARD FROM ANOTHER PATIENT THAT SOMEONE 24IS NOT COMING BACK BECAUSE OF THE AREA AND WE LOSE BUSINESS 25BECAUSE OF THAT. WE WANT A CLEANER AREA. THIS IS A PICTURE

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1OF-- I THINK THIS WILL BE FOR THE NEXT ONE, BUT THERE'S A LOT 2OF PARAPHERNALIA IN OUR BUSINESS AREA. UPSTAIRS, THEY JUST 3OPENED A CHILDREN'S FINE ARTS STUDIO, A MUSIC ACADEMY, WHICH 4IS A CHILDREN'S ACADEMY, THEY'RE LISTED UNDER SCHOOL, AND WITH 5THESE MOTELS BRINGS A TRANSIENT POPULATION, A POPULATION THAT 6WE DO NOT KNOW, AND THEY COME AND THEY GO, AND THAT'S 7DANGEROUS. WE CAN'T HAVE OUR KIDS WALKING TO MY OFFICE FROM 8THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP WITH THAT. 9

10SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I'M GOING TO ASK JOHANNA GIRARD, LEROY 11WELCH, AND JOSHUA BEEMAN TO JOIN US PLEASE. SIR? 12

13REX MOATS: OKAY. THIS IS AN ISSUE OF SELF-DETERMINATION-- 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOUR NAME? 16

17REX MOATS: REX MOATS, 3775, PORTA CALLE. I LIVE IN THE 18NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS AN ISSUE OF SELF-DETERMINATION. WE'VE 19BEEN TELLING THE COUNTY THAT WE WANTED THIS CHANGED FOR A LONG 20TIME. WE ARE VERY DISAPPOINTED. OKAY? THE SEX OFFENDERS CAME 21FROM THE HOTELS, THEY STILL STAY IN THOSE MOTELS. WE WANT THAT 22CHANGED. IT'S DUE TO THE MOTELS THAT A LOT OF THE CRIME 23STARTED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WHETHER THEY'VE CHANGED IN THE 24LAST FEW MONTHS, THE LAST YEAR, WE DON'T CARE. IT'S THE LONG- 25TERM THAT WE CARE ABOUT. THE LAST COUNTY-APPROVED HOTEL WAS

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1THE EL RANCHO. IT NOW IS FULL OF SEX OFFENDERS. IT EXISTS AS A 2BUSINESS ONLY BECAUSE OF STATE AND COUNTY SUPPORT AND MONEY 3FROM THE STATE FOR THE SEX OFFENDERS. OKAY? EVERYBODY KNOWS 4THAT IT'S UNFAIR. CALIFORNIA STATE MANAGEMENT BOARD, FAIR 5SHARE, NO JURISDICTION CITY SHOULD BE FORCED TO ACCOMMODATE A 6SIGNIFICANTLY DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF OFFENDERS DUE TO THE 7RESIDENCY RESTRICTIONS IN THE JOINING JURISDICTION. THAT'S 8YOUR STATE. THANK YOU. THERE'S LIKE 25 IN OUR AREA. ALL RIGHT? 9THEY ARE THERE BECAUSE OF PERVERSIONS OF THE SOUL. I AM IN 10PRISON BECAUSE OF THE PERVERSION OF YOUR HEARTS. OKAY? MY 11KIDS, WHEN I WAKE UP IN THE MORNING, WHAT'S THE FIRST THING I 12THINK OF? WHERE ARE THE SEX OFFENDERS. WHEN I GO TO BED AT 13NIGHT, WHERE ARE THE SEX OFFENDERS? ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME. 14WHAT WERE MOST OF THEM? CHILD RAPISTS, THINGS SUCH AS 15CONTINUOUS ABUSE OF A CHILD, 25 OF THEM, 40 OF THEM WITHIN A 16FEW BLOCKS, EVIDENCE THAT THE PROSTITUTION AND STUFF SHOWS UP 17IN MY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. I HAVE GIVEN IT TO YOU. THIS IS 18UNFAIR, UNJUST AND THE REVEREND WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THE 19DECISIONS OF THE COUNTY THAT LEAVES THEM THERE. EVERYBODY 20RECOGNIZES THAT THIS IS COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE. WE ARE 21AGAINST THE MOTELS BECAUSE THEY SUPPORTED IT FOR YEARS. THANK 22YOU. 23

24SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SAM CONTINO, IF YOU'D JOIN US, PLEASE. 25WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT, PLEASE.

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2JOSHUA CONTINO: MY NAME IS JOSHUA BEEMAN. I DO THE MAINTENANCE 3ON DR. BEEMAN'S OFFICE, THE OUTDOOR MAINTENANCE. I DO AFTER 4HOURS MAINTENANCE, SO I SEE A LOT OF HOW THE PROSTITUTION THAT 5DOES GO AROUND, I SEE A LOT OF WOMEN WALKING THE STREETS, A 6LOT OF USED CONDOMS ON THE PROPERTY, NEXT TO THE PROPERTY, AND 7I JUST WANTED TO SAY I WAS OPPOSED. 8

9SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. STEVEN PROCTOR, IF 10YOU'D JOIN US, PLEASE. OKAY. WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT. 11

12LEROY WELCH: GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS LEROY WELCH. I'VE LIVED 13IN THE EAST PASADENA AREA FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS. I JUST FIND IT 14KIND OF ODD THAT WE'D HAVE TO COME BEFORE OUR COUNTY 15ADMINISTRATORS TO ASK FOR SOMETHING THAT, WITHOUT RESERVATION, 16ANY RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES WOULD WANT, A SAFE, 17FAMILY-ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT TO LIVE AND RAISE THEIR KIDS, BUT 18WE FIND OURSELVES COMING TO MEETINGS LIKE THIS MONTH AFTER 19MONTH, YEAR AFTER YEAR, BEGGING, PLEADING FOR HELP IN 20RESOLUTION OF THIS MATTER. AS THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAID BEFORE 21ME, WE DON'T WANT PROSTITUTION IN OUR AREA, WE DON'T WANT 22HOTELS THAT SUBSIST OFF OF THE FUNDS THEY RECEIVE FROM SEX 23OFFENDERS, WE DON'T WANT STRIP CLUBS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT 24BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF FORESIGHT, THE LACK OF CONCERN, THIS IS 25WHAT OUR AREA HAS COME TO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, IS IT

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1MONEY OR IS IT SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THE PEOPLE IN THE 2NEIGHBORHOOD ARE KIND OF AT WIT'S END. IF YOU WANT THE 3NEIGHBORHOOD TO PROSPER, I THINK YOU SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO 4WHAT THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANT BECAUSE IF THE 5RESIDENTS MOVE OUT, THEN THE PEOPLE THAT MOVE IN MOST LIKELY 6WON'T BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROSTITUTION, WON'T BE CONCERNED 7ABOUT THE SEX OFFENDERS, SO THIS WOULD LEAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD 8INTO A DIRECTION THAT NOBODY WANTS IT TO GO. SO AS EVERYONE 9HAS SAID BEFORE, WE NEED ASSISTANCE, WE CAN'T DO THIS BY 10OURSELVES. WE'VE BEEN TRYING, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE 11SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF HELP FROM THEM 12RECENTLY, BUT WE CAN'T CHANGE LAWS, WE CAN'T CHANGE OPINIONS 13OF THE ADMINISTRATORS. YOU HAVE TO HELP US. 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. NEXT? 16

17JOHANNA GIRARD: MY NAME IS JOHANNA GIRARD, I'M AN ARTIST AND 18AN ART TEACHER, HAVE BEEN AN ART TEACHER FOR THE PAST NINE 19YEARS. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS SCHOOL I WAS WORKING AT WAS A 20PRIVATE ART SCHOOL IN ARCADIA. THEY SUDDENLY CLOSED IN JULY, 21BUT A LOT OF THE PARENTS OF MY STUDENTS ASK ME IF I WOULD 22PLEASE OPEN MY OWN ART SCHOOL BECAUSE THE CHILDREN ENJOYED MY 23CLASSES AND WANTED TO CONTINUE TO COME, SO I STARTED LOOKING 24FOR A LOCATION. SINCE MOST OF MY EXISTING CLIENTS WERE IN 25ARCADIA AND I LIVED IN PASADENA, I THOUGHT THAT EAST PASADENA

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1NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE GREAT, FREEWAY ACCESS, YOU KNOW, CLOSE 2TO ARCADIA. THE ONE THING I NEGLECTED TO LOOK AT WAS THE 3MEGAN'S LAW WEBSITE WHEN I WAS CHOOSING MY LOCATION AND BEFORE 4I SIGNED THE YEAR LEASE ON THIS PLACE. WISH I HAD DONE THAT. 5AND HOW IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, I HAD ONLY BEEN OPEN 6FOR TWO WEEKS, MY LITTLE ART SCHOOL FOR KIDS, WHEN A CONCERNED 7FATHER OF ONE OF MY LONG-TIME STUDENTS CAME TO ME, ASKED ME TO 8HAVE A PRIVATE CONFERENCE IN MY OFFICE, CLOSED THE DOOR, VERY 9SERIOUS TONE, HE SAID, "I'M VERY SORRY, I HAVE TO PULL MY 10DAUGHTER OUT OF YOUR SCHOOL. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME TELLING 11YOU WHY," AND HE SAID, "BUT I WORK FOR LOS ANGELES COUNTY AS A 12PUBLIC DEFENDER AND I SPECIALIZE IN CASES OF VIOLENT SEXUAL 13PREDATORS. IN COURT I HAVE TO ARGUE FOR THEIR RELEASE INTO THE 14COMMUNITY, BUT LET ME TELL YOU, WHEN IT COMES TO MY OWN 15DAUGHTER, I DON'T WANT HER ANYWHERE NEAR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND 16I HAVE TO PULL HER OUT OF YOUR SCHOOL AND I'M REALLY SORRY," 17AND HE SAID, "I JUST CAN'T TAKE THAT RISK." AND I STARTED TO 18RESEARCH AND I FOUND THE ETHIC GROUP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND 19MY THOUGHT WAS, "WELL, THIS FATHER, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 20RELEASING THESE VIOLENT SEXUAL PREDATORS INTO THE 21NEIGHBORHOOD, HE WON'T ACCEPT THAT RISK FOR HIS OWN DAUGHTER 22BUT YET THESE GOOD PEOPLE HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT RISK?" I WAS 23SHOCKED. I'M APPALLED. I KNOW MY TIME HAS EXPIRED, BUT THANK 24YOU FOR LISTENING, AND I HOPE YOU REALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT 25IT. THANK YOU.

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: NEXT. 3

4SAM CONTINO: GOOD MORNING, MR. KNABE, MR. YAROSLAVSKY. MR. 5ANTONOVICH, YOU'RE THE SUPERVISOR IN THIS AREA. 6

7SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOUR NAME, PLEASE. 8

9SAM CONTINO: MY NAME IS DR. SAM CONTINO, I'M AN DENTIST 10BETWEEN THE TWO MOTELS THAT ARE IN QUESTION. THAT AREA HAS 11BEEN A SEEDY AREA SINCE THE TIME I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE 12MY PARENTS DID NOT ALLOW ME TO GO INTO THAT AREA. WE WERE 13BASICALLY FORBIDDEN. IT HAS CLEANED UP OVER TIME AS THE 14SHERIFF WAS ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE PROBLEMS, MONITOR 15IT MORE CLOSELY, THE PROBLEM WOULD GO AWAY FOR A WHILE AND 16THEN COME BACK. I CAN KIND OF RELATE THAT IN MY OWN LIFE TO AN 17ABSCESS. WE'VE ALL HAD AN ABSCESS OR A BAD TOOTH, AND IT CAN 18BE THERE, GO AWAY, WE THINK IT'S GONE, BUT IT COMES BACK WITH 19A VENGEANCE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW. I 20BELIEVE THAT THIS IS MY FIRST TIME THAT THIS HAS BEEN IN FRONT 21OF YOU, SO IT'S A PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE IGNORED. IT'S A 22PROBLEM THAT HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT TO YOU UNTIL THIS TIME. 23AFTER OUR BASIC MEETINGS, SUPPORT FROM THE SHERIFF, SUPPORT 24FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND IN THE APPEAL PROCESS, WE ARE NOW TO 25YOU. WE'VE HAD DENIALS ON THIS PROPERTY AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN

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1CONTINUE WITH ANOTHER DENIAL FROM THIS STANDPOINT. THANK YOU 2VERY MUCH. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. 5

6STEVEN PROCTOR: GOOD MORNING. THIS IS QUITE A PRIVILEGE TO SEE 7ALL YOU GUYS ON T.V. AND EVERYTHING. THIS IS KIND OF FUN. BUT 8WE'RE HERE FOR SOMETHING VERY SERIOUSLY. I HOPE YOU WILL GIVE 9ME A COUPLE MORE THAN TWO MINUTES AND THE REASON WHY I SAY 10THAT BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF VERY, VERY PERTINENT EVIDENCE TO 11SHOW YOU, AND I'M GOING TO PASS THESE OUT VERY SYSTEMATICALLY. 12I'VE LIVED IN OUR HOME FOR JUST SHY OF 19 YEARS. WE HAVE 13INVESTED A LOT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF 14INVESTMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. WE 15HAVE A LOT OF REBUILDS, A LOT OF ENCOURAGING THINGS. THE 16COLORADO BOULEVARD THING HAS CONTINUED TO BE A PLIGHT. WE 17STILL, REGARDLESS, WE ARE NOT ATTRACTING BUSINESSES THAT WE AS 18A COMMUNITY USE IN PART BECAUSE OF THE REPUTATION OF THE AREA, 19IN PART BECAUSE OF THESE-- IN GREAT PART BECAUSE OF THESE LOW 20BUDGET MOTELS. I'M GOING TO BEGIN WITH, YES, THERE HAS BEEN 21SOME WORK DONE ON THE DAYS INN. BY THE WAY, IN THE 12-BLOCK 22AREA NORTH AND SOUTH WITH THIS COLORADO SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN 23EFFORTLESSLY BETWEEN THE LAST A COUPLE OF DAYS, I DID THIS 24BEFORE, TWO YEARS AGO THIS JANUARY, I COLLECTED SIGNATURES AND 25I THOUGHT, I'M GOING TO GO OUT AND SHOW YOU GUYS AND DEVOTE

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1TWO DAYS OF MY TIME, WHICH TOOK AWAY FROM MY FAMILY, TO SHOW 2YOU THIS IS STILL A HOT TOPIC, REGARDLESS. DAYS INN, 3VICTORVILLE, NEXT TO A STREET CLUB. DAYS INN, LAKEWOOD, TRUCK 4STOP. DAYS INN IN DOWNEY IS BASICALLY IN A SHOPPING CENTER. 5THIS KIND OF LOW BUDGET MOTEL DOES NOT BELONG IN A RESIDENTIAL 6NEIGHBORHOOD. UP TO LAST DECEMBER, THERE WAS A SEX OFFENDER 7HOUSED IN THERE, THEY HAVE TAKEN THAT OUT UNDER PRESSURE. SOME 8OF THE PICTURES I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU ARE 9

10SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: JUST GIVE THE PICTURES. AND WE'LL GIVE A 11COUPLE MORE SECONDS. 12

13STEVEN PROCTOR: THESE ARE PICTURES, JUST AN EXAMPLE OF USED 14CONDOMS BECAUSE OF ALL THE PROSTITUTION THAT'S TAKEN PLACE, 15RIGHT ONE DOOR UP FROM ME. I HAVE POURED GAS AND BURNED SO 16MANY OVER THE YEARS. SINCE THE DAYS INN WENT UP, WE NOW HAVE 17THE SHOW. I THINK THE MARQUIS WILL SPEAK FOR ITSELF. RIGHT 18ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE DAYS INN. OKAY? ANOTHER THING I'D 19MENTIONED, TRUCK STOP. ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT, WE HAVE SEMIS 20PARKED INTO OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE MOTOR HOMES. 21THIS IS A LOW BUDGET TRANSIENT MOTEL. THAT'S WHAT'S 22ATTRACTING-- WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S-- 23

24SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: GIVE THE SHERIFF ALL THE PICTURES AND 25THEN WE CAN PASS THEM ALL OUT.

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2STEVEN PROCTOR: SURE. NOW, THE NEXT PHOTOS I WANT TO SHOW YOU 3ARE OF TWO-- THIS IS ENTERING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON QUIGLEY 4AROUND THE CORNER FROM COLORADO BOULEVARD. THIS IS FEBRUARY OF 5'08. THEY WILL DEFINITELY ATTEST THAT THEY HAVE RE-LANDSCAPED 6AND THEY WILL DEFINITELY TESTIFY THAT THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF 7WORK TO CLEAN UP THE PLACE. THIS IS THE SAME PARKWAY, AUGUST 831ST-- OR AUGUST 29TH OF 2009. 9

10SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ALL RIGHT. 11

12STEVEN PROCTOR: ALREADY THE UPKEEP SAY MINIMUM. ALREADY WE SEE 13SIGNS OF-- WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, IF YOU GRANT A 14CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO THESE PEOPLE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S 15GOING TO HAPPEN IN A YEAR. IT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE A DAYS INN AND 16WE MAY BE STADIUM WITH ANOTHER LOW BUDGET MOTEL. 17

18SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WRAP IT UP. 19

20STEVEN PROCTOR: SORRY I'M SO ANIMATED. 21

22SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THAT'S ALL RIGHT. GIVE US THE PICTURES. 23

24STEVEN PROCTOR: BY THE WAY, THESE AREN'T SIGNATURES, THESE ARE 25HOUSEHOLDS, 116 HOUSEHOLDS--

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I UNDERSTAND. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO 3CALL UP EDDIE JONES, ANITA REINSMA, JOHN DONOVAN AND NARESH 4BHAKTA. SAME TWO MINUTES. 5

6EDDIE JONES: GOOD MORNING TO THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 7MY NAME IS EDDIE JONES, PRESIDENT OF THE LOS ANGELES CIVIL 8RIGHTS ASSOCIATION. I PROMISED A FATHER, I'M GOING TO LEAVE 9HIS NAME ANONYMOUS, WHO BURIED HIS 12-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER 10YESTERDAY, WHO WAS RAPED BY A SEXUAL PREDATOR, A CHILD 11MOLESTER. AFTER SHE WAS RAPED, SHE NO LONGER FELT THAT SHE HAD 12ANY USE FOR LIFE. SHE COMMITTED SUICIDE AND HER FUNERAL WAS 13YESTERDAY. A 12-YEAR-OLD GIRL THAT WAS ON HER WAY TO SCHOOL IN 14L.A. COUNTY WAS RAPED, BEAT UP, HER VIRGINITY WAS STOLEN AWAY, 15AND YESTERDAY THEY BURIED HER. WE HAVE A VERY, VERY SERIOUS 16SITUATION HERE WITH THESE SEXUAL PREDATORS. A LOT OF PEOPLE 17DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN GO ONLINE IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND SEE 18WHO THESE SEXUAL PREDATORS ARE, YOU CAN SEE THEIR ADDRESS, 19THEIR PHONE NUMBER, AND WHO THEY ARE. I'M ASKING THE COUNTY 20BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CONSIDER WHERE WE ALLOW THESE 21PREDATORS TO LIVE. IF IT IS A DANGEROUS ENVIRONMENT FOR 22CHILDREN, IT'S A DANGEROUS ENVIRONMENT FOR EVERYONE. NOT ONLY 23DOES IT AFFECT THE KIDS, BUT IT AFFECTS THE PARENTS. NOW THE 24FATHER AND MOTHER HAVE TO GO THE REST OF THEIR LIFE KNOWING 25THAT THEIR 12-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER WAS RAPED ON THE WAY TO

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1SCHOOL, WHO HAD A FUTURE THAT WAS STOLEN AWAY BY A PREDATOR. 2THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. I GUESS THERE'S SOME 5CONFUSION. MR. JONES, YOU SIGNED UP TO FAVOR AND THE OTHER 6PEOPLE THAT I CALLED OPPOSED, SO-- 7

8EDDIE JONES: I'M NOT CALLING UP TO FAVOR. I'M CALLING TO BRING 9A MESSAGE FOR THE KIDS ARE BEING KILLED BY PREDATORS WHO ARE 10RAPING KIDS. THAT IS MY POINT. I'M NOT FOR-- I'M FOR MAKING 11SURE THE PREDATORS ARE NOT ABLE TO KILL KIDS AND RAPE KIDS. 12I'M ON ANOTHER AGENDA FOR MURDER. 13

14SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ANITA? 15

16EDDIE JONES: FOR THE SHERIFF-INVOLVED SHOOTINGS. 17

18ANITA REINSMA: MY NAME IS ANITA REINSMA. I HAVE BEEN HERE 19BEFORE. I HAVE LIVED ON MOHAWK STREET, OR MY FAMILY HAS BEEN 20ON MOHAWK STREET FOR 45 YEARS. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF DAYS 21INN BECAUSE I LOOK AT IT AS A BUSINESS. WHAT WE NEED ON 22COLORADO BOULEVARD IS A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS. I SEE IT WITH THE 23DAYS INN. THEY'VE BECOME A FRANCHISE, A NATIONAL FRANCHISE, 24AND THEY'VE BOUGHT UP THAT PROPERTY, WITH HUNDREDS OF 25THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. THEY HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS, THEY HAVE A

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1GUARD, THEY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE NEED IN THAT AREA. 2WHAT WE DON'T NEED ARE THE INDEPENDENT MOTELS THAT CONTINUE TO 3RENT TO THE SEX OFFENDERS AND ACTUALLY CONDONE THE 4PROSTITUTION THAT GOES AROUND IN THAT AREA. WE JUST HAD A 5DIALYSIS COMPANY COME IN, DAVIDA, WHICH IS NATIONALLY KNOWN. 6THEY RENOVATED A BUILDING JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM DAYS INN, 7AND SO THAT AREA IS TURNING AROUND. THE SHOW, OF COURSE WE 8HAVE TO GET RID OF THAT. BUT WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS, I'M 9AGAINST THE SEX OFFENDERS, I'M AGAINST THE PROSTITUTES BEING 10THERE, AND IT'S A GRIM VISUAL WHEN YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT 11SLIPPING ON A BANANA PEEL, BUT IN OUR AREA, IT'S A CONDOM, SO 12THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE FACING, A DAYS INN HAS 13MADE AN INCREDIBLE DIFFERENCE ON THAT CORNER. WHEN I TURN 14AROUND AND I SEE LILIES GROWING IN THE LITTLE GARDEN AREA, I 15THINK SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS EVEN WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 16QUIGLEY AND MOHAWK AND ALL THE OTHER PLACES NEED TO TAKE A 17CHANCE AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN GARDEN AND NOT CONDEMN THE 18DAYS INN FOR WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD 19AND FOR THE COMMUNITY. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: NEXT. I'D ASK BHARAT PATEL TO JOIN US. 22GO AHEAD. 23

24NARESH BHAKTA: HONORABLE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I DO AGREE WITH 25ALL THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS--

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF. 3

4NARESH BHAKTA: MY NAME IS NARESH BHAKTA. I'M A LOS ANGELES 5COUNTY RESIDENT. CURRENTLY I'M SERVING AS NATIONAL PRESIDENT 6OF-- REPRESENTING 11 VARIOUS CHAPTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WITH 7THE 2009 AND 40 BHAKTA FAMILIES WHO ARE ENGAGED IN HOSPITALITY 8INDUSTRY. MR. BAVPENDA BHAKTA AND YASMIN BHAKTRA ARE AMONG 9THESE FAMILIES, THEREFORE I'M PRESENTING THEM WITH FULL 10SUPPORT FROM ALL OF OUR FAMILIES, FELLOW HOTELIERS ACROSS THE 11COUNTRY. I DO AGREE WITH ALL THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS RELATED TO 12THE CRIME. NOBODY WANTS THEIR CHILDREN TO BE IN JEOPARDY OF 13ANY KIND. THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS TO THE 14BOARD THAT THE PERSON WHO IS TRYING TO CHANGE THE 15NEIGHBORHOOD, WHO IS HELPING TO IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD 16SHOULD NOT BE PENALIZED FOR THE NON HELP OF OTHER BUSINESSES. 17THEY WENT THROUGH A VERY SERIOUS RENOVATION, AND NOT ONLY 18THAT, THEY ARE THE NEW OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROBLEM 19EXISTED PRIOR TO THEM, SO THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE CLEANING 20THIS PLACE UP. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE RE-ORDERING INSTEAD OF 21DENIAL. OVER HERE I READ THE BEAUTIFUL GOLDEN WORDS OVER 22THERE. IT SAYS, "THIS COUNTRY IS FOUNDED ON THE FREE 23ENTERPRISE, CHOICE HELP PRESERVE IT." THEY ARE DOING THE SAME 24EXACT. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE ON THE CRIME AND SO 25FORTH, OUR HOTELIERS, OUR COMMUNITY RESIDES ON THE PROPERTY,

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1OUR CHILDREN GREW OURSELVES OVER THERE, SO WE DO KNOW HOW 2SERIOUS IT IS WHEN IT COMES TO THE CRIME. TO BURDEN THE 3CHILDREN, EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT. 4OUR COMMUNITY HIGHLY INTEREST IN DOING BUSINESS ______5INDUSTRY EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. A ON BEHALF OF OUR 6SOCIETY, REPRESENTING OWNERS OF THE HOTELS OVER 6,000, EACH 7AND EVERY ONE ARE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN UPLIFTING THIS 8PARTICULAR INDUSTRY. THE DAYS INN IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT HAS 9TO BE CATEGORIZED THAT WAY. THANK YOU. 10

11SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. NEXT. I'D ASK RAY PATEL TO 12JOIN US, TOO, AND MANOJ PATEL. 13

14JOHN DONOVAN: MY NAME IS JOHN DONOVAN. I'VE BEEN EMPLOYED AS A 15SECURITY GUARD AT THE DAYS INN HOTEL FOR ONE YEAR AND THREE 16MONTHS. I'M A FORMER ARMY VETERAN. I SERVED '83 AND '86 IN THE 173RD AND 75TH RANGER BATTALION AND I SERVED '97 TO '03 IN THE 18ARMY NATIONAL GUARD. LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN EMPLOYED AS A 19SECURITY GUARD FOR A YEAR AND THREE MONTHS. MY HOURS ARE FROM 209:00 IN THE EVENING TO 6:00 IN THE MORNING. I GENERALLY WORK 21SIX TO SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND I'VE NOTICED VIRTUALLY A COMPLETE 22DROP IN PROSTITUTION IN THE AREA. IT WENT FROM WHEN I STARTED 23MAYBE TWICE A WEEK TO THREE TIMES A WEEK OF GIRLS STANDING IN 24THE GENERAL AREA, TWO OR THREE GIRLS, TO LESS THAN THREE TIMES 25A MONTH WHERE TWO, MAYBE THREE GIRLS WOULD WALK IN THE AREA,

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1AND THEY ARE DIRECTED, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE DOWN THE STREET. I'VE 2SEEN THEM TALK TO LAW ENFORCEMENT A NUMBER OF TIMES, THEY 3AREN'T DETAINED, THEY AREN'T PUT IN THE CAR. THEY'RE TALKED TO 4FOR 10 OR 15 MINUTES, AND THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN 5THEY TALK TO THEM. LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN THERE QUITE A LONG 6TIME AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE REAL HARD 7COMPLAINT IS, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT'S, YOU 8KNOW, IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON A LONG TIME AGO. 9

10SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. WRAP IT UP, PLEASE. THANK YOU. 11

12JOHN DONOVAN: LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOT A YEAR LOGBOOK. 13

14SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. 15

16JOHN DONOVAN: ALL QUIET, SO... 17

20BHARAT PATEL: GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. MY 21NAME IS BHARAT PATEL. I REPRESENT THE SAN GABRIEL VALLEY 22HOSPITALITY ASSOCIATION, I'M THE PRESIDENT AT THE MOMENT, AND 23I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING THE BHAKTAS' DAYS INN PROPERTY. 24IT'S TRUE. NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE NEXT TO CHILD MOLESTERS AND 25PAROLEES, BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THIS AREA, IT'S BEEN

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1TOTALLY DOWNGRADED WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PLAN OF ACTION. YOU 2NEED RISK-TAKERS TO COME IN AND CHANGE ONE BROKEN WINDOW AT A 3TIME. I KNOW WE'VE ALL HEARD THE THEORY OF BROKEN WINDOWS. LAW 4ENFORCEMENT USES IT ALL THE TIME. IF YOU HAVE ONE BROKEN 5WINDOW, IT ENCOURAGES OTHER BROKEN WINDOWS. THIS HAS BEEN A 6COMMUNITY OF BROKEN WINDOWS. NOW YOU HAVE THE BHAKTAS THAT 7HAVE COME IN AND TAKEN A CHANCE. YES, IT'S TRUE, THEY DID NOT 8KNOW THERE WAS A C.U.P. THAT WAS EXPIRING WHEN THEY PURCHASED 9THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ON THE TITLE REPORT. THEY WERE 10BLINDSIDED. GUESS WHAT. THEY TOOK A LEMON AND MADE LEMONADE 11OUT OF IT, AND THAT THEY SHOULD BE APPLAUDED FOR, THEY SHOULD 12BE COMMENDED FOR. THEY DIDN'T JUST GIVE UP. THEY'VE POURED IN 13MANY CAPITAL DOLLARS TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY. WHAT I AM 14HEARING FROM THE OPPOSITION IS JUST THE WHOLE AREA HAS BEEN 15DENIGRATED TO A LEVEL OF VERY DIFFICULT PROSTITUTION AND 16PAROLEES, BUT WHAT YOU NEED TO HEAR IS A PARTICULAR PROPERTY 17THAT IS DOING VERY WELL, THEY'VE TURNED THE BUSINESS AROUND, 18THEY'VE MADE-- THEY'VE CHANGED THE FACADE, THEY'VE CHANGED THE 19ATTITUDE, THE BUSINESS CULTURE IN THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. IF 20YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE TRUE SUCCESS, THEN YOU NEED TO HAVE-- 21ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT OF THIS KIND OF BUSINESS, THIS KIND OF 22RISK TAKING. IF YOU DENY THIS APPLICATION, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? 23YOU'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE, YOU'RE BACK TO GROUND ZERO. 24ENCOURAGE RISK TAKERS. THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO 25IMPROVE THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT, AND BY SUPPORTING THIS

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1APPLICATION TODAY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE GETTING THE RIGHT 2DIRECTION, AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER THAT WITH YOUR 3MIND AND YOUR HEART TODAY. THANK YOU. 4

5SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. ASK JAMES MARTINEZ TO JOIN 6US, PLEASE. 7

8RAY PATEL: MY NAME IS RAY PATEL. I'M PRESIDENT OF THE 9NORTHEAST LOS ANGELES HOTEL OWNERS ASSOCIATION. WE REPRESENT 10400 HOTELS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES. I'M HERE TODAY 11ON BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR THE BHAKTA 12FAMILY THAT OWNS AND OPERATES THE DAYS INN. MANY TIMES IN OUR 13ASSOCIATION WE COME SPEAK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL TO ADDRESS 14CONCERNS THAT OUR INDUSTRY HAS AND THIS IS NO DIFFERENT. I 15THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE PERCEPTION, AND THE 16PERCEPTION THAT THE NEIGHBORS MAY HAVE HAD OF THIS 17ESTABLISHMENT PRIOR TO THEM COMING IN AND SPENDING $700,000 TO 18REMODEL, RENOVATE AND TAKE THE TIME TO FRANCHISE THIS 19ESTABLISHMENT, IS NOT THERE ANYMORE. THE BHAKTA FAMILY HAS 20SHOWN A COMMITMENT TO THEIR NEIGHBORS, TO THE COMMUNITY. DAYS 21INN ITSELF, IF YOU LOOK A FEW BLOCKS DOWN THE ROAD ON MAIN 22STREET, YOU'LL SEE A DAYS INN HOTEL RIGHT HERE AND THEY CATER 23TO CORPORATE TRAVEL, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PROPERTY IS. IT'S A 24TRANSIENT HOTEL FOR TOURISTS AND CORPORATE TRAVELERS AND 25THAT'S THE MARKET THAT DAYS INN TARGETS, AND I WOULD CONSIDER

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1IT AN ASSET OF THIS CORNER OF THE COUNTY THAT YOU HAVE AN 2ESTABLISHMENT THAT CAN OPERATE THERE. PASADENA HAS CONVENTION 3BUSINESS, WELL NOW YOU HAVE THAT BUSINESS COMING OVER TO THE 4SECTOR OF THE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN THEM SPENDING THEIR MONEYS 5IN THE HOTELS IN THE CORE OF PASADENA, THEY'RE SPENDING IT IN 6THE COUNTY, AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY'RE TRANSMITTING 712 PERCENT OF THE GROSS RECEIPTS TO THE COUNTY. SO I WOULD 8LIKE TO ASK THE SUPERVISORS TO SUPPORT THE COMMUTER OPERATIONS 9FOR THE BHAKTA FAMILIES AND FOR THE DAYS INN FRANCHISE. THANK 10YOU. 11

12SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. I'LL ASK LAURA GUTIERREZ TO 13JOIN US, PLEASE. 14

15MANOJ PATEL: GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS MANOJ PATEL. I'M ALSO A 16RESIDENT OF THE VALLEY AREA, ACTUALLY JUST SIX MILES EAST OF 17THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. ALSO PAST PRESIDENT OF SAN GABRIEL 18HOSPITALITY ASSOCIATION. I BELIEVE THE EPIC GROUP MADE SOME 19VERY IMPORTANT POINTS. THEIR POINTS WERE ISSUES RELATED TO 20PROSTITUTION, CHILD MOLESTERS IN THE AREA. I BELIEVE SOMEONE 21MENTIONED A HALFWAY HOUSE SOMEWHERE THERE. SEX OFFENDERS. 22THESE ARE ALL IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT I BELIEVE EVERYONE IN THIS 23ROOM WOULD AGREE ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT 24THE CLEAR FACT IS THAT THE BHAKTAS, WHEN THEY INVESTED SO MUCH 25OF THEIR TIME, SWEAT AND MONEY, WERE NOT AWARE OF THIS, AS

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1ACTUALLY SOME OF THE FOLKS WERE FROM THE EPIC GROUP WHEN THEY 2STARTED THEIR ESTABLISHMENTS, WHETHER IT WAS THE DENTISTRY OR 3THE DANCE STUDIO, I BELIEVE. BUT NOW THAT WE ARE HERE, SOMEONE 4MENTIONED SOMETHING I THOUGHT WAS POIGNANT. THEY SAID STRONG 5LEADERSHIP. BUT I THINK WITH STRONG LEADERSHIP YOU NEED STRONG 6CODES, AND WITH THIS C.U.P., I BELIEVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST 7ASSETS THAT BRINGS TO THE COMMUNITY THERE AND SETS THIS HOTEL 8AS A CATALYST FOR FUTURE RENOVATIONS, FOR FUTURE BETTER 9BUSINESS IS THAT THIS BUSINESS WILL GOVERN ITSELF ON STRICT 10REQUIREMENTS, NOT ONLY ON THE FRANCHISED SIDE, BECAUSE THIS IS 11NO LONGER REGAL INN, THIS IS DAYS INN. DAYS INN COMES WITH 12SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS. DAYS INN, IN FACT, THEY HAVE INSPECTORS 13THAT COME UNANNOUNCED, THEY CHECK IN THE HOTEL TO MAKE SURE 14THAT CERTAIN EXCELLENCE IS REACHED. A.A.A. DOES THAT WITH THEM 15INDIVIDUALLY OF DAYS INN. THE C.U.P. ALSO SETS A BAR THAT'S 16HIGH IN SENSE OF OTHER HOTELS THAT EXIST THERE, THEY ARE ALL 17INDEPENDENT. UP UNTIL NOW, THIS IS THE ONLY HOTEL THAT I KNOW 18OF THAT HAS ACTUALLY BECOME PART OF THE COMMUNITY. THEY'VE NOT 19COME IN THERE, RAPED, SQUEEZED EVERY PENNY THEY CAN MAKE OUT 20OF IT AND LEFT. THEY'VE COME IN THERE, INVESTED THEIR TIME AND 21THEIR ENERGY. THANK YOU. 22

23SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. KATHY IONESCU. I MAY HAVE 24SAID THAT. I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. NEXT? 25

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1JAMES MARTINEZ: HELLO, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS JAMES MARTINEZ. 2I'VE WORKED FOR THE BHAKTAS FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS NOW. I'VE 3KNOWN THEM FOR ABOUT TEN. THEY'VE TURNED THAT PROPERTY 4COMPLETELY AROUND FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, 360. I HAVE BEEN 5A RESIDENT OF SAN GABRIEL VALLEY FOR 43 YEARS. I USED TO GO UP 6TO COLORADO, I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION UP THERE, BUT BY THE 7SAME TOKEN, IT'S NOT PUSHED ONTO THE BHAKTAS OR DAYS INN, IT 8IS THERE AS IT ALWAYS IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. IT NEEDS TO BE 9CHANGED, OF COURSE, BUT NOTHING CAN BE CHANGED THAT EASILY 10AND, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY HAS GOT TO WORK TOGETHER TO CHANGE 11THE PROBLEM, NOT JUST DAYS INN, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND. 12RIGHT NOW IN THE SITUATION WE ARE WITH OUR ECONOMY, I CAN'T 13SEE HOW CHANGING OR CLOSING DOWN THE DAYS INN WOULD CHANGE 14EVERYBODY'S ATMOSPHERE. YOU WOULD JUST HAVE A MOTEL THERE 15EMPTY WHERE PEOPLE WOULD MAYBE BREAK INTO AND THEN YOU'D HAVE 16MORE SITUATIONS AND EVEN WORSE OF CHILD MOLESTERS, AND I 17UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT IS A BAD SITUATION, BUT YOU HAVE 18EVERYWHERE IN TOWN, NOT JUST BEVERLY HILLS, BUT EVERYWHERE. 19AND I FEEL IF THEY CLOSE IT DOWN, IT WILL BE WORSE, AND THEN 20YOU HAVE PUT PEOPLE OFF ON UNEMPLOYMENT, AND WITH THE 21EMPLOYMENT THE WAY IT IS, IT'S NOT A GOOD SITUATION. I FEEL 22THAT THE BHAKTAS HAVE A LOT OF LOVE TO GIVE PEOPLE. THEY'VE 23OFFERED A LOT OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO WORK, AND FOR SOMEONE TO 24THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT SITUATION BY BLAMING 25ONE COMPANY, IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. YASMIN SITARAM. 3

4LAURA GUTIERREZ: GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS LAURA GUTIERREZ. I'M 5A RESIDENT OF L.A. COUNTY. I'VE STAYED AT THE DAYS INN SEVERAL 6TIMES WITH MY HUSBAND AND MY CHILDREN, JUST TO BE CLOSER TO 7FAMILY. I FELT VERY SAFE THERE. THEY WERE VERY WELCOMING. I 8HAD NO PROBLEMS THERE WITH MY CHILDREN. IT WAS A NICE PLACE TO 9STAY. 10

11SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME 12TO COME DOWN. PRASHAND PATEL. 13

14KATHLEEN IONESCU: I'M KATHLEEN IONESCU. I WORK NEXT DOOR TO 15THE DAYS INN. WHEN I FIRST STARTED THERE THREE YEARS AGO, IT 16WAS HORRIBLE. THERE WOULD BE CONDOM WRAPPERS IN THE BACK 17PARKING LOT AND THERE WAS A LOT OF THESE PROSTITUTES WALKING 18UP AND DOWN THE STREET AT ALL TIMES, AND LIKE MY BOSS WOULD 19EVEN BE AFRAID OF ME TO GO TO THE OFFICE, AND NOW IT'S TURNED 20INTO DAYS INN, IT'S A LOT BETTER. I DON'T FIND ANY KIND OF 21USED ANYTHING OF THAT SORT IN THE BACK PARKING LOT OR ANYTHING 22LIKE THAT. THEY'VE ACTUALLY CLEANED IT UP A LOT. THEY TOOK OUT 23THE PARK BENCH AND EVERYTHING AND A LOT OF PROSTITUTES WOULD 24LIKE STAND THERE AND DO WHATEVER THEY DO IN FRONT OF THE

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1PUBLIC, AND IT WAS JUST REALLY BAD UNTIL RECENTLY, SO THERE IS 2A DIFFERENCE. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHHAGANBHAI 5BHAKTA. I'M NOT VERY GOOD WITH THAT NAME, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU 6KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YES, NEXT PLEASE. 7

8PRASHAND PATEL: MY NAME IS PRASHAND PATEL , AND I AM THE 9MANAGER OF THE DAYS INN, PASADENA. I AM THE PERSON CLOSEST TO 10THIS PROPERTY AND I KNOW THIS PROPERTY BETTER THAN ANY OTHER. 11I CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY, THIS IS NEAT AND CLEAN PROPERTY. I HAVE 12BEEN HERE SINCE ABOUT LAST TWO YEARS, SINCE IT HAS BECOME DAYS 13INN. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS OF THIS AREA, 14BUT AT PRESENT, I CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY THIS IS A NEAT AND CLEAN 15PROPERTY. OKAY. ALL OF OUR CLIENTS ARE FROM PEOPLE, SENIOR 16CITIZENS, SOME CONTRACTORS, SOME SOFTWARE ENGINEERS AND 17FAMILIES, AND ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE COMING FROM ______. 18MOST OF CUSTOMERS ARE COMING TO ______. GETTING SOME 19CUSTOMERS FROM OUR TRAVEL VENDORS. SO EVERY CUSTOMERS ARE WELL 20AND REPRESENT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS FROM OUR CUSTOMERS, 21OUR CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. THEY ARE VERY HAPPY WITH 22OUR SERVICES, OUR FREE BREAKFAST AND OUR OTHER FACILITIES OF 23OUR MOTEL. SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS, SOME PEOPLE AND OUR 24NEIGHBORS, THEY HAVE SOME PROBLEM IN THE HOUSE, IF THERE IS 25SOME MAINTENANCE WORK, THEY USED TO COME AND THEY USED TO BE

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1STAY IN OUR PREMISES. THERE ARE SOME RELATIVES OR FRIENDS 2COMING TO THE PASADENA, THEY USED TO COME TO OUR MOTEL AND 3THEY BOOK OUR ROOMS. BUT THIS IS THE PROOF, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE 4RECOMMENDING THEIR RELATIVES AND THEIR FRIENDS TO STAY IN OUR 5MOTEL, SO THESE ARE THE UNNECESSARILY CREATED ISSUES BY SOME 6PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW. WE ARE NOT THE CAUSE. THERE MAY BE SOME 7OTHER MOTELS LIKE EL RANCHO OR THIS LUCKY STARS AND THAT. WE 8ARE NOT IN THAT CATEGORY. WE ARE A DIFFERENT-- WE ARE 9INTERNATIONALLY RENOWNED FRANCHISE. 10

11SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK BHUPENDRA 12BHAKTA TO JOIN US AND MELISSA CABRAL. OKAY. GO AHEAD. 13

14YASMIN SITARAM: HELLO. MY NAME IS YASMIN SITARAM AND I AM THE 15OWNER OF THE DAYS INN IN PASADENA. WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS PLACE 16IN PASADENA, WE THOUGHT, OKAY, THIS IS A HISTORICAL CITY, WE 17HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, TO GET AN UNDER PERFORMING 18PROPERTY AND CONVERT IT TO A FRANCHISE. THAT WAS OUR MAIN 19IDEA. LITTLE DID WE KNOW ABOUT THE AREA PROBLEMS. IF WE WOULD 20HAVE KNOWN, I WOULDN'T HAVE INVESTED, BUT WE HAVE TACKLED 21EVERY SINGLE ISSUE THAT HAS COME ACROSS TO US. FIRST IT WAS 22THE MONTH ISSUES. WE TOOK OUT THE MONTHLIES, WE EVICTED THEM. 23THEN CAME THE PAROLEES ISSUE, AND THEN WHAT I DID IS WE TOOK 24OUT THE PAROLEES, WE SENT A LETTER TO THE PAROLE BOARD TELLING 25THEM NOT TO SEND. AT THAT TIME WE WERE AN INDEPENDENT MOTEL.

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1AS A MATTER OF FACT, AT THAT TIME THERE WERE 58 PAROLEES IN 2THE AREA. AT THE PRESENT TIME THERE ARE 28 IN THE 91107 AREA 3CODE, 109 IN THE CITY OF PASADENA, 11,228 IN THE L.A. COUNTY. 4THESE ARE SEX OFFENDERS. THIS IS A SERIOUS MATTER AND I THINK 5THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THE PAROLE 6HOME THAT IS RIGHT ACROSS NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT. THEN WE 7BECAME A FRANCHISE, DAYS INN FRANCHISE. DAYS INN FRANCHISE 8DOES NOT ALLOW US TO GET INTO SUCH CONDUCT AT ALL. WE STARTED 9ALSO-- WE TOOK OUT THE BUS STOP AND ALSO THE PAY PHONE THAT 10WAS NEXT TO US. A LOT OF PEOPLE USED TO STAND THERE, THE 11PROSTITUTES USED TO STAND THERE. THAT IS GONE. YOU DON'T SEE 12ANY WALKING TRAFFIC THERE ANYMORE. AND FOR SAFETY AND 13SECURITY, WE INSTALLED SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM AND WE HAVE THE 14MONITORS, THEY'RE 24-HOUR MONITORS. WE ALSO POST WARNING SIGNS 15THAT I WANT YOU GUYS TO SEE. CAN I PASS THIS SO YOU COULD SEE? 16OUR REMODELING, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A MILLION DOLLARS, ACTUALLY. 17THAT INCLUDES SAFETY MEASURES, THAT INCLUDES FRANCHISING AND 18THAT INCLUDES ALL THE RENOVATION THAT WE DID, AND I'M GOING TO 19PASS AROUND PICTURES OF THE BAD APPLES NEED TO BE TAKEN OUT 20AND THAT'S THE LUCKY STAR AND THAT'S THE EL RANCHO MOTEL AND 21POSADA MOTELS. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE AT THE PRESENT 22TIME THE PAROLEES. MAKE AN ORDINANCE. GET THEM OUT OF THE 23AREA. 24

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: DIANE WICHERN. OKAY. WHOEVER IS NEXT, 2PLEASE. GO AHEAD. WHOEVER IS NEXT, JUST GO AHEAD. 3

4CHHAGANBHAI BHAKTA: MY NAME IS CHHAGANBHAI BHAKTA. I REPRESENT 5MR. BHAKTA'S PROPERTY. BHAKTAS HAVE BEEN KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE 6AREA FOR THE LAST 45 YEARS, AND THE HOTEL/MOTEL INDUSTRY HAS 7BEEN KNOWN SINCE ABOUT 80, 90 YEARS. PRIOR TO THIS EVENT, 8STARTED FROM SAN FRANCISCO AND NOW SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE 9COUNTRY. BHAKTA FAMILIES INVOLVED 24 HOURS ON THE PREMISES. 10THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN BUSINESS AND THEY GROW THEIR 11FAMILIES AND THEY SEND THEIR KIDS TO THE COLLEGE AND HIGH 12SCHOOL, WHATEVER IT IS, AND IT IS OPERATING IN A VERY FANCY 13WAY. RECENTLY HE HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH RENOVATION AND IT HAS 14GONE THROUGH TREMENDOUS EFFORT AND HIS WHOLE HELP AND SO FAR 15HAS COME TO THIS POINT. PROSTITUTION AND THE OTHER CRIME IN 16THE AREA IS OUTSIDE HIS MOTEL, WHICH IS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. 17PREVIOUSLY ALL THE SPEAKERS HAVE SUGGESTED TO DO SOMETHING 18ABOUT IT, WHICH IS CONCERN ALSO OF THE DAYS INN, BUT DAYS INN 19RIGHT NOW YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURES AND THE PRESENTATION, I'M 20SURE YOU WOULD BE CONVINCED THAT THEY CAN EMPLOY THREE OR FOUR 21TO FIVE PEOPLE ON THE PAYROLL THAT IS THE EMPLOYMENT BUSINESS 22ALSO. I THINK CONSIDER THAT IN THIS ECONOMY, THIS IS VERY 23IMPORTANT THAT THE EMPLOYMENT IS BEING MADE THROUGH THE DAYS 24INN ALSO. IT'S A FRANCHISE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND THEY ARE 25OPERATING IN A NICE MANNER AND I'M SURE THE BOARD OF

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1SUPERVISORS WILL CONTINUE TO AGREE TO CONTINUE AND GIVE THEM 2PERMIT TO KEEP OPERATING BUSINESS. THANK YOU. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: DUSTIN DINSMORE. OKAY. 5

6BHUPENDRA BHAKTA: MY NAME IS BHUPENDRA BHAKTA, THE OWNER OF 7THE DAYS INN. BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, MEMBERS, SUPERVISOR 8ANTONOVICH, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS 9HEARING. BACK IN 2005, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME INTO EAST 10PASADENA ON COLORADO, PURCHASE A RUNDOWN PROPERTY, AND FROM 11DAY ONE, WE STARTED RENOVATING AND TODAY IT'S RUNNING AS A 12DAYS INN FRANCHISE. NOT KNOWING THE AREA OR THE PROSTITUTION 13OR THE OFFENDERS STAYING IN THERE, WE STILL CAME IN ON DAY 14ONE, STARTED ATTACKING THE PROBLEM, STARTED CLEANING 15EVERYTHING UP. TODAY WE'RE PROUD, AS THE PHOTOS SHOW, THAT'S 16PRIDE IN OWNERSHIP, THAT WHEN WE TAKE OVER A PROPERTY, IT'S 17LIKE YOUR HOME, YOU REMODEL, YOU REPHRASE EVERYTHING AND 18YOU'RE PROUD TO SHOW THAT PROPERTY, AND TODAY, YES, I 19UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORS' CONCERN AND I'M WITH THEM. WE DON'T 20WANT PROSTITUTION IN THE AREA, WE DON'T WANT SEX OFFENDERS, 21AND THEY'RE NOT STAYING AT MY HOTEL. THEY NEVER HAVE. YES, IN 222007, AT ONE POINT IN TIME, WHEN WE WERE REMODELING, THEY WERE 23STAYING THERE. ONCE WE FOUND OUT THEY WERE THOSE PAROLEES, 24THEY'RE OUT OF THE SYSTEM, THEY'RE NOT AT OUR PROPERTY 25ANYMORE. WE DON'T RENT HOURLY RATES. WE DON'T NEED THIS KIND

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1OF CLIENTELE. BY CHANGING, UPGRADE TO DAYS INN, OUR CLIENTELE 2CHANGES. WE DEPEND ON THE INTERNET. WE HAVE TRAVELERS, ROSE 3PARADE, WE CONTRIBUTE TO THE COUNTY. WE'RE PAYING TAXES, 12 4PERCENT. WE WENT AROUND TO THE NEIGHBORS A COUPLE OF MONTHS 5AGO DOOR TO DOOR AND, YES, WE GOT A FEW SIGNATURES, HOPEFULLY 6YOU GUYS GOT THOSE LETTERS, AND THEY SHOW SUPPORT THAT, YES, 7WE'VE MADE A CHANGE, BUT TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY, I CAME IN TO 8BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST ISOLATING MYSELF. IF 9THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WE NEED TO GET A MEETING 10TOGETHER AND WORK OUT THE PROBLEMS SO WE CAN BE HERE FOR THE 11FUTURE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CHILDREN. 12

15BHUPENDRA BHAKTA: THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME. 16

17SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. SAM PATEL. 18

19MELISSA CABRAL: HELLO. MY NAME IS MELISSA CABRAL. IN MY 20OPINION, I HAVE SEEN THE IMPROVEMENTS, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT 21THEY HAVE DONE AT THE DAYS INN HOTEL, AND I FEEL SECURE NOW 22BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE SECURITY THERE. BEFORE, THEY USED TO BE 23A LOT OF PROBLEMS AROUND, BUT NOW IT'S THE SAFEST PLACE TO GO 24AROUND. THANK YOU. 25

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. OKAY? 2

3MELISSA CABRAL: OH, BY THE WAY, I LIVE IN THE BACK OF THE 4HOTEL. I LIVE ON 3799 GREEN STREET, SO EVERYTHING HAS IMPROVED 5FOR ME. THANK YOU. 6

9DIANE WICHERN: MY NAME IS DIANE WICHERN AND MY HUSBAND AND I 10TOOK THE TIME TO WRITE A LETTER TO SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH AND I 11WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD. WE ARE 12WRITING THIS LETTER TO GIVE OUR HIGH OPINION OF DAYS INN AND 13THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES. WE ARE CURRENTLY GUESTS OF THE DAYS 14INN LOCATED AT 1300 EAST COLORADO BOULEVARD, ROOM 104, 15PASADENA, CALIFORNIA, 91007. DAYS INN OFFERS A SAFE, SECURE 16CLEAN COMFORTABLE PLACE TO STAY. I AM DISABLED AND NEED MANY 17OF THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE, SUCH AS MAID SERVICE. SOMEBODY 18AT THE FRONT DESK AT ALL TIMES IN CASE I HAVE A 9-1-1 19EMERGENCY. THEY ALSO HAVE A SECURITY GUARD WHO GIVES US GREAT 20PEACE OF MIND. WE HAVE LIVED IN THE PASADENA-ARCADIA AREA 21SINCE 1978 AND VIVIDLY REMEMBER THE OLD REGAL INN LOCATED HERE 22YEARS AGO. IT HAD A TERRIBLE REPUTATION, PROSTITUTION, DRUG 23AND ALCOHOL USE ON OR NEAR THE PREMISES, BURGLARIES. THE 24POLICE WERE THERE CONSTANTLY. THE NEW OWNERS REMODELED THE 25BUILDING, INCLUDING TEARING DOWN THE ENTIRE FRONT FACING,

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1INSTALLING SAFETY WINDOWS AND DOORS, ET CETERA. IT WAS A 2REMARKABLE THING TO WITNESS THEIR EFFORTS AS MY AND MY HUSBAND 3DROVE PASTY IT EACH DAY ON OUR WAY TO WORK. IT IS NOW THE 4GREAT LOOKING EDIFICE SEEN TODAY. THE NEW OWNERS HAVE 5OBVIOUSLY INSTITUTED NEW HIGH STANDARDS. THEIR GUEST LIST IS 6STRICT MONITORED, SHOWING THAT ANYONE CAUGHT DOING ANYTHING 7UNTOWARD IS ASKED TO LEAVE. AS MENTIONED BEFOREHAND, THEY HAVE 8ENFORCEMENT OF AN ON-SITE SECURITY GUARD TO BACK THIS UP. DAYS 9INN IS COMPARABLE TO OTHER REPUTABLE HOTELS IN THE AREA, SUCH 10AS THE BEST WESTERN, HOLIDAY INN, EXPRESS, THE QUALITY INN, 11ALL WITHIN A FEW BLOCKS OF THE DAYS INN. WE HAVE SEEN THAT ALL 12THREE OF THESE HOTELS MENTIONED AND I CAN ATTEST TO THIS FACT 13PERSONALLY. BUSINESSES, RESIDENTS, OURSELVES INCLUDED, AND LAW 14ENFORCEMENT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT CRIME IN THE AREAS ALONG 15COLORADO BOULEVARD. THERE ARE BUSINESSES ALONG THIS CORRIDOR 16WITH THE VERY LACKADAISICAL ATTITUDE TOWARD CRIME. THEY 17INCLUDE THE LUCKY STAR AND SWISS LODGE HOTEL/MOTELS, JUST TO 18NAME A FEW. WE WOULD HOPE THAT THESE ABOVE NAMED MENTIONED 19BUSINESSES WOULD CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY THAT CRIME MAY ARISE 20OUT OF THEIR CHOICES THAT THEY MAKE, SUCH AS WHO THEY LET 21THEIR ROOMS TO. AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY-- 22

23SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOU CAN PUT THAT LETTER INTO THE RECORD 24IF YOU JUST HAND IT TO THE SHERIFF THERE. HE'LL PUT THAT AS 25PART OF THE FULL RECORD.

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2DIANE WICHERN: THANK YOU. 3

4DUSTIN DINSMORE: MY NAME IS DUSTIN DINSMORE. I'M FROM ARCADIA, 5WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. I GREW UP IN ARCADIA AND I 6TRAVEL QUITE A BIT. I STAY PRETTY MUCH ONLY AT DAYS INNS ALL 7AROUND THE COUNTRY AND, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE DAYS INNS I STAY 8AT ARE VERY NICE, INCLUDING THIS DAYS INN. I HAVE BEEN STAYING 9THERE FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS. I STAYED THERE PRIOR TO WHEN IT 10WAS THE REGAL INN. AS SOON AS THE NEW OWNERS TOOK OVER THIS, 11IMMEDIATELY THEY STARTED RENOVATIONS, THEY STARTED IMPROVING 12THE PROPERTY. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY RIGHT 13THERE, IF YOU TAKE AN EXAMPLE OF A BUSINESS TRYING TO MAKE 14IMPROVEMENTS AND MAKE THINGS BETTER, YOU GO TO THE DAYS INN. 15STAY THERE ONE NIGHT. GO ANONYMOUSLY AND STAY THERE. YOU'LL 16SEE THE RESULTS. IT'S QUIET, IT'S CLEAN, IT'S A TREMENDOUS 17IMPROVEMENT THAN IT WAS TEN YEARS AGO OR SO. AS FAR AS THE 18IMPROVEMENTS IN TERMS OF MOVING THE BUS STOP OUT OF THERE, 19THAT'S HELPED THE LOITERING OF THE PROSTITUTION. THEY REMOVED 20THE PAY PHONE THAT WAS OUT THERE. THAT'S ALSO STREAMLINED SOME 21OF THAT STUFF. IT'S TRUE THERE'S BEEN A NEW BUSINESS NEXT 22DOOR. THAT'S NOT THE FAULT OF THE DAYS INN. I MEAN, THEY'RE 23JUST DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD DO TO MAKE THAT AREA BETTER. IF-- 24AGAIN, IF EVERY BUSINESS IN THAT AREA FOLLOWED THEIR EXAMPLE, 25THAT WHOLE AREA WOULD BE CLEANED UP AND NICE AND ALL THAT

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1STUFF, SO I REALLY, REALLY THINK THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AND 2THEY SHOULD CONTINUE TO TRY TO IMPROVE THAT AREA. WITH THE 3SECURITY GUARD THERE 24 HOURS A DAY, THEY HAVE-- THE COMMUNITY 4HAS SOMEBODY TO WATCH OUT FOR THEM NOW, AND IF THAT PLACE WERE 5TO GO, IT WOULD BE BAD FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY THERE. THAT'S 6ABSOLUTELY TRUE. THANK YOU. 7

8SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. SAM PATEL AND THEN HOURY 9TATLIAN. 10

11SAM PATEL: HELLO. SAM PATEL. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE 12DAYS INN. THE BHAKTAS, I MET THEM A FEW YEARS AGO THROUGH A 13MUTUAL ACQUAINTANCE THROUGH THE DAYS INN FRANCHISE, AND HE 14ASKED ME TO SPEAK HERE TODAY, SO I AM. I DID A SIMILAR 15RENOVATION LIKE THIS. IT TAKES A LOT OF ENERGY, TIME TO CLEAN 16UP A PROPERTY OF THIS NATURE, BUT THEY'VE DONE A WONDERFUL 17JOB. IT'S WEIRD HOW WE'RE HERE RIGHT NOW, THAT THEY'RE NOT 18BEING REWARDED FOR THEIR EFFORTS, THEY'RE BEING ALMOST PUT 19UNDER TRIAL FOR THEIR EFFORTS. IT'S VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTING 20AS A BUSINESS OWNER TO SEE THAT. WHEN YOU TAKE A DAYS INN 21FRANCHISE, NOT ONLY WHEN YOU SIGN UP FOR THEM, YEAH, THEY 22INSPECT THE PROPERTY, THEY SET A STANDARD FOR HOW YOU NEED TO 23OPERATE YOUR PROPERTY, BUT YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE CERTAIN 24AMENITIES, LIKE BREAKFAST WITH DANISH, MUFFINS, COFFEE, ALL 25THESE THINGS, YOU HAVE TO PUT MICROWAVE, REFRIGERATORS, COFFEE

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1MAKERS INTO YOUR ROOMS, HAIR DRYERS. THESE ARE THE TYPE OF 2AMENITIES A ROOM IN THE PROPERTY HAS, WIRELESS INTERNET. YOU 3DON'T ADD A SHORT TIME IN A HOTEL OR A HOTEL THAT, YOU KNOW, 4THAT'S HARBORING PAROLEES OR WHATEVER, SO I JUST WANT TO SAY, 5YOU NEED TO GIVE THESE PEOPLE A SHOT. THANK YOU. 6

7SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. NEXT? 8

9HOURY TATLIAN: HI. MY NAME IS HOURY TATLIAN. I LIVE AT 34 10NORTH QUIGLEY. MY HOUSE IS BETWEEN THE HOTEL DAYS INN AND THE 11HOUSE THAT IS RENTED BY THE PAROLEES. I AM BETWEEN THE SEX 12OFFENDERS AND THE HOTELS AND ALL THE THINGS, ALL THE SCENARIOS 13THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THIS AREA. I AM THE ONE THAT I CALL THE 14POLICE ALL THE TIME. I'VE BEEN LIVING IN THIS HOUSE FOR 17 15YEARS. I DO HAVE A HISTORY OF THIS SITUATION. I'VE BEEN SEEING 16SEX OFFENDERS ALL THE TIME, HOOKERS ALL THE TIME, CONDOMS IN 17FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND MY HOUSE IS NEXT TO THE ALLEY AND THEN 18ALL THE SEX IN THE ALLEY, IN THE CARS, IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, 19THEY DROP HOOKERS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. I KEEP CALLING THE 20POLICE. POLICE HAS ALL THE PHONE CALLS THAT I'VE BEEN DOING 21FOR THEM-- FOR THIS PROBLEMS. AND THEY COME AND KNOCK ON OUR 22DOORS TWO TIMES ASKING FOR STRANGE PEOPLE, AND WE'RE NOT 23LIVING SAFE ENVIRONMENT. I HAVE TWO KIDS AND THEN MY DAUGHTER 24IS 17, SHE DOESN'T LIKE TO STAY BY HERSELF AT HOME BECAUSE 25SHE'S SCARED, AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT

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1THE HOTEL, BEING RENOVATED, EVERYTHING IS VERY GOOD. I MEAN, 2AS A FIGURE, BUT LIVING OVER THERE AND SEEING ALL THIS 3SITUATION IS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE 4ARE THE ONES THAT ARE LIVING AND SEEING EVERYTHING. YESTERDAY 5NIGHT, IT WAS DRUG DEALERS GIVING DRUGS TO EACH OTHER, AROUND 62:30. AND THEN AUGUST 24, THE PROSTITUTION WAS IN FRONT OF MY 7HOUSE WHEN I WAS DROPPING THE TRASH TO MY TRASH BIN. THIS IS 8NOT-- I SAID, "WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN FRONT OF THE--?" THE 9SAME MINUTE I CALLED THE POLICE AND THEN THEY SAID, "DID SHE 10DO ANYTHING?" I DON'T KNOW. SHE WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM THE THE 11OTHER HOOKERS OR SHE SAW THE POLICEMEN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE 12STORY WAS, BUT SHE WAS IN FRONT, SHE WAS ON MY PROPERTY. THIS 13IS AUGUST 24TH, 2009. AND THREE DAYS AGO, ONE OF THE PAROLEES 14AND THE HOOKERS-- THE POLICE HAD THE RECORD ABOUT THEM. THEY 15STOP THEM AND THEN PAROLEE WENT TO THE-- 16

17SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THIS WAS COMING FROM THE PAROLEE HOUSE, 18NOT THE HOTEL. 19

20HOURY TATLIAN: IT'S FROM THE HOTEL. THE HOOKERS, JUST 21POINTING, TALKING WITH THE CUSTOMERS AND POINTING TO THE 22HOTEL, THAT "IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO TO THE HOTEL, THIS IS THE 23HOTEL." I JUST STOOD THERE AND THEN LISTENING WHAT THEY'RE 24TALKING ABOUT. AND SHE WAS YELLING AT ME, "WHY ARE YOU STARING 25AT ME?"

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOUR TIME IS UP. OKAY. THANK YOU. 3SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH, THE ITEM IS BEFORE US. 4

5SUP. ANTONOVICH: MAY I ASK SOME QUESTIONS OF REGIONAL PLANNING 6FIRST. NOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS CASE, COULD YOU 7LIST THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE PAST ISSUES THAT OCCURRED IN 8THAT AREA AND HOW THE NEW OWNER HAS BEEN ADDRESSING THEM? 9

10MI KIM: WHEN THE CASE WAS FIRST FILED, IT WAS FILED AS A REGAL 11INN, WHICH IS AN INDEPENDENT MOTEL. DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING 12PROCESS BEFORE THE REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT 13OBTAINED A FRANCHISE LICENSE AS A DAYS INN. 14

15SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND THAT FRANCHISE IS WITH THE NATIONWIDE 16HOTEL/MOTEL CHAIN. 17

18MI KIM: CORRECT, AND SUBJECT TO THE OPERATING CONDITIONS AND 19STANDARDS OF A FRANCHISE MOTEL. 20

21SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND ARE THERE ANY OPEN CODE ENFORCEMENT 22ISSUES WITH DAYS INN AT THIS TIME? 23

24MI KIM: CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NO OPEN ZONING VIOLATIONS ON THE 25PROPERTY.

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2SUP. ANTONOVICH: WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT THE STAFF HAD 3VISITED THE PROPERTY? 4

5MI KIM: LAST WEEK. 6

7SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND WHAT WAS THE RESULT OF THAT VISIT? 8

9MI KIM: THE RESULT IS THAT THE ZONING ENFORCEMENT OFFICER DID 10NOT NOTICE ANY ZONING VIOLATIONS. I WAS TOLD THAT THE PROPERTY 11WAS WELL MAINTAINED. 12

13SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE SEPTEMBER 18TH 14MEMORANDUM FROM THE TREASURER TAX COLLECTOR CONCERNING THE 15AUDIT OF THE APPLICANTS' OCCUPANCY TAXES? 16

17MI KIM: YES, I DO. 18

19SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND ARE THEY CURRENT? 20

21MI KIM: YES, THE APPLICANT IS CURRENT. 22

23SUP. ANTONOVICH: SO MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS, HAVE YOU BEEN 24INVOLVED WITH ANY OF THE OUTREACH FOR ESTABLISHING A COMMUNITY 25STANDARDS DISTRICT FOR THE AREA?

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2MI KIM: FOR THIS AREA, NO, I HAVE NOT. 3

4SUP. ANTONOVICH: THERE HAVE BEEN SOME-- COUNTY STAFF HAS BEEN 5OUT THERE, ALONG WITH MY STAFF, MEETING WITH SOME OF THE 6NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE RELATIVE TO A COMMUNITY STANDARDS DISTRICT 7AND THAT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS, ENCOURAGING THE BUSINESS 8OWNERS TO WORK WITH REGIONAL PLANNING STAFF TO FORM THIS 9C.S.D. WE KNOW IT'S BEEN A POSITIVE PROGRAM IN OTHER AREAS 10WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE SUCH STANDARDS IMPLEMENTED. THIS IS A 11SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE SOME NON FRANCHISED LOCAL MOTELS THAT 12HAVE HAD A SEVERE CHRONIC PROBLEM RELATIVE TO THE PROSTITUTION 13AND OTHER ISSUES DEALING WITH THOSE OPERATIONS. MANY OF THOSE 14MOTELS WILL BE COMING BEFORE THIS BOARD WITHIN THE NEXT TWO 15YEARS FOR THEIR C.U.P. EVALUATION AND AT THOSE TIMES, WE WILL 16BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT NECESSARY ACTIONS AGAINST THOSE WHO HAVE 17VIOLATED THOSE STANDARDS OF OPERATION, BUT IN THIS CASE, WITH 18DAYS INN, YOU'VE HAD AN APPLICANT WHO HAS PUT IN OVER A 19MILLION DOLLARS IN RENOVATIONS, UPGRADING AND AFFILIATING WITH 20A NATIONAL FRANCHISE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE ISSUES 21RAISED BY THE NEIGHBORS, THEY RELATE TO THIS PARTICULAR 22PROPERTY AND OTHER MOTELS ALONG COLORADO BOULEVARD BETWEEN 23ARCADIA AND PASADENA. MY OFFICE HAS-- CONTINUES TO WORK TO 24ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS, SUSAN EMER [PH?] AND RITA DJEMUKIAN 25[PH?] THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND

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1THEIR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND OUR LOCAL CITIES AS WELL IN THE 2CITIES OF PASADENA AND ARCADIA RELATIVE TO THE PROSTITUTION, 3THE DRUG USE AND THE SOCIAL ILLS THAT ARE PLAGUING THAT AREA 4ALONG WITH A PROPOSED STRIP CLUB THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH AND 5NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT STRIP CLUB IS SUING US FOR THE ACTIONS 6THAT WE TOOK AGAINST THEIR WANTING TO OPERATE THE TYPE OF CLUB 7THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO OPERATE. BUT SEPARATE AND APART FROM 8THIS CASE WE'RE ALSO WORKING TO IMPROVE THE APPEARANCES ON THE 9STRETCH OF COLORADO TO MATCH THE ONGOING PROJECTS AND 10RENOVATIONS AND UPGRADES THAT'S NOW TAKING PLACE ON ROSEMEAD 11BOULEVARD BETWEEN FOOTHILL DOWN THROUGH TEMPLE CITY. LASTLY, 12WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT MAY BE 13ENCOURAGING ACTIVITIES NOT PERMITTED BY THE COUNTY PERMITS IN 14THIS AREA, AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD AGAIN ENCOURAGE OUR BUSINESS 15COMMUNITY THERE TO BE INVOLVED WITH ESTABLISHING THE C.S.D. 16WHILE THERE REMAINS OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT, OUR OFFICE HAS 17RECEIVED MANY LETTERS IN SUPPORT, AND AS THE COMMITTEE-- THE 18BOARD MEMBERS HAVE HEARD TODAY, THERE ARE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE 19TESTIFIED RELATIVE TO THE CHANGE IN CULTURE AND PRACTICES THAT 20HAS NOW OCCURRED WITH DAYS INN, UNLIKE THE OTHER FACILITIES IN 21THAT AREA. SINCE THE REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION'S DENIAL AND 22THE APPLICANT, AS I SAID, HAS MADE GOOD FAITH EFFORTS RELATIVE 23TO OPERATING AND UPGRADING AND ENSURING THAT THE TYPE OF 24ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON IN OTHER AREAS WOULD NOT BE 25GOING ON IN THAT FACILITY. I'D LIKE TO READ A MOTION THAT

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1WOULD INCLUDE SOME CONDITIONS. THIS IS C.U.P. WHICH IS THE 2APPLICATION OPERATING THE MOTEL 3800 EAST COLORADO BOULEVARD 3AND UNINCORPORATED EAST PASADENA. SINCE REGIONAL PLANNING 4COMMISSION'S DECISION ON THIS CASE, AS I STATED, THE APPLICANT 5HAS MADE GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO IMPROVE THE OPERATION IN 6APPEARANCE IN THE FACILITY. WHILE REGIONAL PLANNING HAS 7PREPARED ITS DRAFT SET OF CONDITIONS, WE'VE ALSO ADDED OTHERS. 8STAFF SHOULD REVISIT THESE CONDITIONS TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE 9COMPLETE, THOROUGH AND CURRENT. ONE WOULD BE THAT THE 10APPLICANT SHALL NOT RENT TO ANY PATRONS ON AN HOURLY BASIS. 11ALL PATRONS MUST SHOW A VALID PICTURE IDENTIFICATION BEFORE 12RENTING A ROOM. A VOLUNTEER BY THE APPLICANT, THE 13ESTABLISHMENT SHALL NOT RENT TO SEX OFFENDERS AND/OR PAROLEES. 14THE APPLICANT SHALL MAINTAIN A LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH DAYS INN 15OR ANOTHER NATIONWIDE MOTEL CHAIN FOR THE DURATION OF THIS 16GRANT AND SHALL PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF THE SAME TO THE DEPARTMENT 17OF REGIONAL PLANNING. FAILURES TO DO THIS WOULD END UP IN 18REVOCATION OF THEIR PERMIT TO OPERATE. TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE 19WITH THESE CONDITIONS AND DURING THE TERM OF THIS GRANT WHICH 20WILL BE FOUR ANNUAL INSPECTIONS BY REGIONAL PLANNING, TWO 21SCHEDULED AND TWO UNANNOUNCED, THE APPLICANT WOULD MAINTAIN A 22VIDEO CAMERA SYSTEM OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE 23RENTAL OFFICE, MAINTAINING THE VIDEO FOR A MINIMUM OF 30 DAYS, 24MAKING IT AVAILABLE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT UPON REQUEST, THE 25APPLICANT WOULD MAKE A LOG OF ALL MOTEL PATRONS, A COPY OF

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1WHICH SHALL BE PROVIDED TO REGIONAL PLANNING ON AN ANNUAL 2BASIS. THE LOG PATRONS WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION BY 3COUNTY STAFF AT ANY TIME UPON REQUEST. WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE 4GRANT, THE APPLICANT WOULD SUBMIT A LANDSCAPE PLAN TO DIRECTOR 5OF REGIONAL PLANNING FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. LANDSCAPING 6WOULD BE MAINTAINED IN A NEAT, CLEAN HEALTHY CONDITION AND AT 7ALL TIMES. TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH ALL RELEVANT CONDITIONS, 8THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE AND MAINTAIN ON FILE WITH REGIONAL 9PLANNING CONTACT NAME AND PHONE NUMBER OF THE OPERATOR OWNER 10OF THE MOTEL. NO ILLEGAL DRUG SALES WOULD BE KNOWINGLY PERMIT 11ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. FOR ANY PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, THE 12APPLICANT WOULD SECURE ALL NECESSARY PERMITS FROM PUBLIC 13PLANNING AND OTHER APPROPRIATE AGENCIES. NEON ADJACENT 14LIGHTING OR SIGNAGE IS PROHIBITED ANYWHERE ON THE SUBJECT 15PROPERTY. ALL GRAFFITI WOULD BE REMOVED WITHIN 24 HOURS. THE 16OWNER WOULD ENGAGE A LICENSED SECURITY PATROL SERVICE TO 17PREVENT VIOLATIONS OF LAW AND ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THESE 18CONDITIONS, WOULD NOTIFY THE SHERIFF OF ANY VIOLATIONS OF LAW 19OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY. SECURITY GUARDS WOULD BE UNIFORMED 20AS TO BE READY-- READILY IDENTIFIED AS A SECURITY GUARD. 21SECURITY GUARD SHALL BE ON SITE DURING ALL EVENING DARKNESS 22HOURS AND SHALL WALK THE SITE AT LEAST ON AN HOURLY BASIS 23DURING THIS TIME. WITHIN 60 DAYS OF THIS GRANT, THE APPLICANT 24WOULD PROVIDE A COPY OF A CONTRACT WITH A LICENSED SECURITY 25PATROL SERVICE TO REGIONAL PLANNING. WITH THOSE CONDITIONS AND

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1ANY OF THESE VIOLATIONS WOULD REVOKE THEIR CONDITION TO 2OPERATE. I WOULD MOVE THAT THE BOARD CLOSE THE HEARING AND 3ATTEMPT TO APPROVE THE APPEAL AND DIRECT THE COUNTY COUNSEL 4AND REGIONAL PLANNING TO PREPARE FINDINGS, CONDITIONS 5INCLUDING THE CONDITIONS REFLECTED WITH THE BACK TO THE BOARD 6FOR A FUTURE MEETING. 7

8LARRY HAFETZ, COUNSEL: SUPERVISOR, IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE 9POINT, AND THAT IS FOR THE APPEAL, IT WOULD INCLUDE NOT ONLY 10THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BUT THE PARKING DEVIATION THAT WAS 11REQUESTED AS WELL AS THE SIGN MODIFICATION. 12

13SUP. ANTONOVICH: YES. 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I'LL SECOND THE MOTION, BUT JUST A 16COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE, WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE-- IT REMINDS 17ME OF-- THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, I THINK, IT REMINDS ME OF THE 18CITY OF PARAMOUNT WHERE THEY DID IT ONE NICE YARD AT A TIME 19WITH A WHITE PICKET FENCE AND KEEP GOING DOWN. WITH THESE 20RELATIVELY TOUGH CONDITIONS, DOES THAT ENHANCE OUR OPPORTUNITY 21FOR ENFORCEMENT FOR THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES? BECAUSE WHAT I 22HEARD TODAY WAS THAT THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR EFFORT ON 23BEHALF OF THE DAYS INN PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING, BUT 24OBVIOUSLY IT CONTINUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S WHAT WE

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1HAVE TO DO. DOES THIS ENHANCE THESE CONDITIONS, ENHANCE OUR 2OPPORTUNITY TO GET TOUGH WITH THE OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY? 3 4 5

6>>MI KIM: THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WOULD BE BINDING ON THE 7SUBJECT PROPERTY'S OWNER. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THAT THE SECURITY 8PATROL, THE CONDITION REGARDING THAT IS FOR ON-PREMISE AND 9AROUND THE PREMISES ITSELF, THAT THAT SHOULD HELP WITH THE 10SITUATION. 11

12SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: AND THEN WHILE IT'S SPELLED OUT IN HERE 13SPECIFIC, THERE'S SOME THINGS THEY HAVE TO DO, WHAT IS THE 14FREQUENCY OF OUR MONITORING AND OVERSIGHT OF THE PROPERTY. 15

16SPEAKER: CURRENTLY IN THE CONDITIONS APPROVAL, THERE ARE 11 17ZONING INSPECTIONS BUILT IN. THE FIRST ONE WE'LL WITHIN SIX 18MONTHS OF APPROVAL AND THEREAFTER ONE EVERY YEAR. 19

20SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: IN ADDITION, PERIODICALLY, I KNOW IN 21THAT BUSINESS, SOMEONE TESTIFIED THAT THE DAYS INN FOLKS SHOW 22UP AS A SURPRISE INSPECTION. DO WE DO THAT AS IT RELATES TO 23PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUES, AS IT RELATES TO CHECKING REGISTRATIONS, 24MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT-- I MEAN, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE 25NOT-- HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE ABIDING BY THE CONDITIONS?

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2SPEAKER: THERE ARE FOUR A YEAR. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I KNOW, BUT THEY KNOW WHEN THOSE FOUR 5ARE. 6

7SUP. ANTONOVICH: NO. TWO UNANNOUNCED AND TWO ANNOUNCED. 8

9SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY 10IMPORTANT, BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE CONDITIONS WRITTEN OUT 11LIKE YOU WANT BUT UNLESS YOU'VE OVERSIGHT AND STRONG 12MONITORING, IT'S REALLY NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT'S WRITTEN ON, 13SO I WOULD THINK THAT IF WE NEED MORE THAN, THEN THAT WOULD BE 14BETTER THAN LESS, SO IT IS CALLED OUT FOR TWO UNANNOUNCED? 15

16SUP. ANTONOVICH: TWO UNANNOUNCED. IF YOU WANT TO DO THREE 17UNANNOUNCED AND THREE ANNOUNCED. 18

19SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 20

21SUP. ANTONOVICH: SO AS AMENDED. 22

23SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THREE UNANNOUNCED, THREE ANNOUNCED. 24OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT CHANGE, THEN THE ITEM IS BEFORE US. 25MOVED BY SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH, THE CHAIR WILL SECOND. WITHOUT

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1OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME ON 2BOTH SIDES TO COME DOWN AND TESTIFY. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK 3YOU. 4

5CLERK SACHI HAMAI: OKAY. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 5. THIS IS 6A DE NOVO HEARING ON PROJECT NUMBER R-2006-01315-5 CONDITIONAL 7USE PERMIT CASE NUMBER 2006-00095-5 IN CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION 8LOCATED AT 3872 EAST COLORADO BOULEVARD, PASADENA, WITHIN THE 9EAST PASADENA EAST SAN GABRIEL COMMUNITY, EAST PASADENA ZONED 10DISTRICT APPLIED FOR BY DIANA MEI CHANG. THERE IS A DEPARTMENT 11STATEMENT ON THIS AND WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE WAS ALSO 12RECEIVED. 13

14SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. BY THE WAY, I THOUGHT I SAW SOME 15HANDS GO UP IN REGARDS TO SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH'S MOTION. I'M 16SURE THAT IF YOU'D LIKE A COPY, THAT THE STAFF CAN MAKE SURE 17THAT THEY GET COPIES, IF YOU'D LIKE A COPY OF HIS MOTION. 18OKAY. AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE STAFF FOR REPORT, THEN 19WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS ON THIS ISSUE AS WELL TOO. 20

21MI KIM: GOOD MORNING, SUPERVISORS. MI KIM, AGAIN, WITH ZONING 22PERMITS, REGIONAL PLANNING AND NEXT TO ME IS MARK CHILD. ITEM 23NUMBER 5 IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST TO CONTINUE 24OPERATIONS OF A 13 UNIT MOTEL, LUCKY STAR, IN A STATE 2 25NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS ZONE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 5,667

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1SQUARE FEET. THE MOTEL WAS BUILT IN 1947 AND DOES NOT NEED 2CURRENT ZONING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS INCLUDING PARKING, 3LANDSCAPING AND SET-BACK REQUIREMENTS. THE REGIONAL PLANNING 4COMMISSION HELD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THIS CASE. AT THE 5HEARINGS, THE APPLICANT TESTIFIED THAT SHE HAS MADE EFFORTS TO 6IMPROVE THE PROPERTY BY REPAINTING THE PARKING LOT, PROVIDING 7ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, PROVIDING SECURITY SURVEILLANCE AND 8SENDING A LETTER TO THE DIVISION OF ADULT PAROLEE OPERATIONS 9TO DISCONTINUE PLACEMENT OF PAROLEES AT THE SUBJECT MOTEL. NO 10OTHER PERSONS TESTIFIED IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. THE PROJECT 11OPPONENTS TESTIFIED THAT THE SUBJECT MOTEL IS ESPECIALLY 12EGREGIOUS WHEN IT COMES TO ILLEGAL AND NUISANCE ACTIVITIES. ON 13OCTOBER 1ST, 2008, THE COMMISSION VOTED 5-0 TO DENY THE 14CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THE APPLICANT IS APPEALING THIS 15DENIAL. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION. CONCLUDED STAFF 16PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. 17

18SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE I CALL 19SPEAKERS UP AGAIN? I SEE SOME FAMILIAR NAMES IN THE STACK, AND 20AGAIN, TWO MINUTES, THERE'LL BE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS. FIRST OF 21ALL, THOMAS EDMISTEN, SYLVIA BEEMAN, REX MOATS, ELIZA WHITMAN, 22THE FIRST FOUR. 23

24REX MOATS: I WILL BEGIN. REX MOATS, VICE PRESIDENT OF EPIC. 25I'VE BEEN FIGHTING IT FOR TEN YEARS AND YOU GUYS DID NOTHING

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1AS USUAL. SO LET ME POINT OUT, IF YOU WOULD TURN TO THE THING 2THAT I GAVE YOU, THE LAST C.P.U. GENERATED APPROVED HOTEL 3APPROVED BY THIS COMMITTEE WHICH I BELIEVE A NUMBER OF YOU 4WERE ON. IS IT A BUSINESS? SIX SEX OFFENDERS COUNT AS A 5BUSINESS? LOOK AT THE SIGN. OKAY. THIS WAS APPROVED AS A 6C.P.U., JUST LIKE YOU'RE DOING NOW, JUST LIKE YOU DID BEFORE. 7WHAT'S THE ENFORCEMENT ARM OF THE OFFICE OF THE PLANNING? 8NOTHING. THERE ISN'T ONE. OKAY? YOU CAN'T ENFORCE IT UNTIL THE 9NEXT TIME THE C.U.P. COMES UP. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. YOU HAVE NO 10ENFORCEMENT ARM. YOU CHOSE TO DO NOTHING. THE LUCKY STAR WAS 11BAD. LET ME ALSO GIVE YOU ANOTHER LESSON. WHEN YOU ASKED THE 12QUESTION TO YOUR STAFF, WAS THERE ANY OUTSTANDING THING? THEY 13SAID NO, THAT WAS NOT TRUE. THEIR SIGN DID NOT FIT AND THEIR 14PARKING DID NOT FIT, BUT YOU JUST GRANTED IT, YOU JUST ALLOWED 15THE EXEMPTION TO WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED AT THE TIME YOU ASKED THE 16QUESTION. THAT'S CRAZY. ARE YOU GOING TO DO THE SAME THING 17WITH THE LUCKY STAR LIKE YOU DID WITH THE EL RANCHO AND THE 18REGAL INN? ARE YOU GOING TO SAY, "OKAY, CLEAN UP AND THEN 19WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GRANT IT TO YOU"? LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE 20HISTORY AND YOU CAN CHECK. 2005, THEY BOUGHT IT. IT WAS A PIT 21WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT. 2006, THE COUNTY SHOWED UP AND SAID, 22"HEY, YOU HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR ANY OF YOUR PERMITS. WHAT'S 23WRONG WITH YOU GUYS?" THEN YOU BAIL THEM OUT OVER THE NEXT 24YEAR OR TWO BY SLOWING US DOWN, AND THEN YOU GRANT THEM A 25PERMIT. WE'RE TELLING YOU THIS IS AN ISSUE OF SELF-

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1DETERMINIZATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WANT IT CLEANED UP AND 2WE'RE TIRED OF IT. OKAY. YOU PAY FOR THE SEX OFFENDER TO BUY 3THE HOUSE NEXT TO MINE. THANK YOU. HE LOVES YOU. OKAY? YOU 4PAY. THANK YOU. TO OVERSEE IT. NOW, THE LUCKY STAR EXISTS OFF 5THESE RAPISTS, AND STUFF, JUST LIKE THE EL RANCHO DOES. OKAY. 6THANKS FOR THE HELPING. NOT AT ALL. 7

8SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. NEXT. JOHANNA GIRARD, IF YOU'LL 9JOIN US, PLEASE. GO AHEAD. 10

11THOMAS EDMISTEN: I WAS CALLED FIRST. 12

15THOMAS EDMISTEN: MY NAME IS THOMAS EDMISTEN. I HAVE-- COULD 16ONLY AMPLIFY DR. MOATS'S REMARKS. IT'S DIFFICULT WHEN THERE IS 17NO SPECIFIC MODE OF ENFORCEMENT. I NOTICE IN MY OWN 18NEIGHBORHOOD OF ATWATER, CALIFORNIA, THERE IS A PARK THAT HAS 19BEEN PROBLEMATIC AT TIMES WITH VIOLENCE, DRUGS AND OTHER 20ACTIVITIES, AND THE POLICE-- LOS ANGELES POLICE ACTUALLY SEND 21A VAN AND ESTABLISH A SMALL SUBSTATION. I THINK IT WOULD BE A 22GRAND IDEA IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD OCCUR AT NIGHT IN THIS 23NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I HAVE NO FURTHER REMARKS. 24

25SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. JOSHUA BEEMAN.

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2ELIZA WHITMAN: HI. MY NAME IS ELIZA JANE WHITMAN. ONE OF THE 3THINGS I WANTED TO BRING UP IS SOMETHING THAT I MENTIONED AS 4ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, AND THAT IS I THINK 5THAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON HOW TO MAKE 6THIS A BETTER AREA AND A BETTER PLACE. AS HOMEOWNERS, WE HAVE 7SEEN A DECLINE OF OUR PROPERTIES-- PROPERTY VALUES AND WE DO 8KNOW THAT SEVERAL HAVE SAID THAT THEY SPECIFICALLY WILL NOT 9BUY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE SEX OFFENDER AREA AND 10THE HIGH CONCENTRATION. WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT RENOVATIONS HAVE 11OCCURRED FOR DAYS INN AND OTHERS, BUT I THINK IF YOU TALK 12ABOUT ECONOMICS, YOU CANNOT JUST LOOK AT ONE INDIVIDUAL, AND 13SO YOU INDICATED THAT THERE IS A C.S.D. OCCURRING. THIS IS THE 14FIRST I'VE EVER HEARD OF IT. EPIC HAS NEVER BEEN CONTACTED. I 15THINK THAT IF THAT IS OCCURRING, THAT WE SHOULD BE GIVEN THE 16OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE AND TO ENCOURAGE MODIFICATIONS FOR 17IMPROVEMENT AND TO PROVIDE, AS THE PASTOR SAID, AN AREA FOR 18THE GREATER GOOD OF ALL, AND SO I THINK IF YOU WILL VOTE AND 19THINK ABOUT WHAT THE LUCKY STAR IS APPLYING FOR, THAT IS NOT 20FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF ALL. IT IS NOT-- THIS AREA IS NOT 21ZONED FOR THE LUCKY STAR TYPE AREAS, IT IS ONE THAT IS FOR 22RESIDENTIAL, AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO 23CONSIDERATION. SO I DO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THE ABILITY TO 24GIVE TAX BREAKS AND SOME OTHER THINGS FOR BUSINESSES MOVING 25IN. THAT, I BELIEVE, IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

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1THERE WAS SOMEONE WE KNOW THAT LIVES IN CHAPMAN WOODS, A 2DEVELOPER WHO INDICATED HE WANTED TO COME IN AND REDEVELOP AND 3PUT APARTMENTS IN THIS AREA, BUT ONCE HE HEARD ABOUT THE HIGH 4SEX CRIME AND OTHER THINGS GOING ON, HE DECIDED NOT TO. SO 5PLEASE INCLUDE US AS PART OF THE C.S.D. ACTIVITIES, AND IF YOU 6WILL LET US KNOW WHEN THOSE MEETINGS OCCUR, WE'D BE HAPPY TO 7PARTICIPATE. THANK YOU. 8

11SYLVIA BEEMAN: GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DR. SYLVIA BEEMAN. 12AGAIN, I'M THE DENTAL OFFICE ON COLORADO BOULEVARD, AND I JUST 13REALLY WANT YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE SITTING RIGHT 14BEHIND-- WE'RE SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND 15I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS REALLY GET IT. THESE MOTELS, IT'S LIKE 16CREAMING SUGAR AND BUTTER TOGETHER. ONCE IT'S DONE, YOU CAN'T 17SEPARATE THEM. MOTELS EQUAL CRIME, THEY EQUAL VAGRANTS, THEY 18EQUAL TRANSIENTS, THEY EQUAL DRUG TRAFFIC, PROSTITUTION. 19THERE'S INTERNET PROSTITUTION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU UNDERSTAND 20THIS, BUT I COME FROM A WHOLE LINE OF SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES. THEY 21DON'T HAVE TO STAND ON THE STREET CORNER. THEY CAN SHOW THEIR 22I.D., GET A HOTEL ROOM, CHECK IN JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. THEY 23DON'T HAVE TO WEAR THE SHORT SKIRT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO STAND 24OUT IN THE FRONT. THEY'RE ALREADY IN THERE AND THEY JUST CALL 25THE PERSON AND COME VISIT ME. IT'S NOT THE SAME ANYMORE. WE'RE

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1LIVING IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT ERA. YOU HAVE THE SHOW DOWN THE 2STREET WHICH WE KNOW IS A PROSTITUTION HUB. IT'S JUST LABELED 3DIFFERENTLY. YOU'VE GOT HOTELS THAT INVITE THEM AFTERWARDS TO 4COME STAY. YOU CAN'T LOOK AT CHANGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN 5GETTING LEGITIMATE BUSINESS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN YOU STILL 6HAVE THESE MOTELS YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, YOU GIVE 7CONTINUAL USE PERMITS FOR THEM TO STAY. WE CAN'T CHANGE UNLESS 8YOU GET THEM OUT OF THERE. WE CAN'T BUILD AND GROW AND CHANGE 9LIKE FOOTHILL BOULEVARD IS. WE NEED THEM OUT. THEY CANNOT 10STAY. I HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF THE LUCKY STAR THIS YEAR, 11JUST EARLIER, YOU'VE GOT CONDOM WRAPPERS IN THE FRONT, TRASH 12IN THE BACK, SOFAS, A LOT OF TIMES SHOPPING CARTS AT THE BACK 13OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH MY CLIENTS HAVE TO COME DOWN THAT 14ALLEYWAY TO GET TO OUR PARKING LOT. SHOPPING CARTS OFTENTIMES 15GET IN THE WAY. I'VE GOTTEN OUT OF MY CAR TO MOVE THEM THIS 16SOFA, LITTLE SOFA CHAIR, IT STAYED BACKWARDS FOR ONE DAY. THE 17NEXT DAY IT WAS TURNED AROUND. DO YOU KNOW WHAT ACTIVITIES GO 18ON IN THAT CHAIR IN THE ALLEYWAY? RIGHT BEHIND THIS HOTEL. 19THAT WAS THERE FOR SEVERAL WEEKS. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ALL RIGHT. TIME IS UP. WOULD YOU GET THE 22PICTURES FOR US? PLEASE? 23

24ELIZA WHITMAN: AND TOILET SEATS IN THE BACK THAT IS STILL 25VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SAM CONTINO, IF YOU WILL JOIN US, 3PLEASE. 4

5JOHANNA GIRARD: MY NAME IS JOHANNA GIRARD, I'M THE NEW OWNER 6OF THE LITTLE ART SCHOOL THAT I OPENED ON 3763 EAST COLORADO 7BOULEVARD. I'M PRETTY NEW TO THIS ISSUE, AS I'VE BEEN 8LEARNING, I'M SHOCKED TO FIND OUT THAT THESE RESIDENTS IN THE 9NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN SCREAMING AT YOU FOR SO MANY YEARS FOR 10SOMETHING TO BE DONE. AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY, I FIRST FOUND OUT 11ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THE FATHER OF ONE OF MY STUDENTS IS THE 12PUBLIC DEFENDER WHO SPECIALIZES IN THESE TYPES OF CRIMES, THE 13VIOLENT SEX OFFENDERS. WHEN HE SHOWED ME THE CURRENT MEGAN LAW 14WEBSITE, THE DAYS INN WAS ON THERE AS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES 15THAT WAS HOUSING FIVE OR SIX. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THESE 16KEEP COMING IN, AND OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU'VE-- 17

18SUP. ANTONOVICH: LET ME JUST-- LET ME JUST CORRECT THE RECORD 19ON THAT. WHEN A PERSON, WHEN A SEX OFFENDER LEAVES AND THEY 20DON'T HAVE A NEW ADDRESS FOR HIM, THEY USE THE OLD ADDRESS. 21

22JOHANNA GIRARD: THEY USE THE OLD ADDRESS? OH GEE, GREAT. SO WE 23DON'T KNOW WHO'S COMING AND GOING, RIGHT? 24

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1SUP. ANTONOVICH: WHEN WE GO INTO QUESTION-AND-ANSWER, I'LL 2HAVE THE COUNTY COUNSEL ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE SEXUAL 3PREDATOR ORDINANCE THAT WE HAD PASSED THAT WILL ANSWER SOME OF 4THESE QUESTIONS. 5

6JOHANNA GIRARD: ALL RIGHT. YEAH. I APOLOGIZE. I'M JUST REALLY 7NEW TO THIS. LIKE I SAY, I JUST OPENED MY BUSINESS ON AUGUST 829TH, SO I WAS REALLY, BOY, IT HIT ME LIKE A TON OF BRICKS 9WHEN THE GENTLEMAN INFORMED ME, AND THE WORDS HE USED WAS THAT 10IT WAS A HIGHLY UNUSUAL CONCENTRATION OF VIOLENT SEXUAL 11PREDATORS, AND I REMEMBER THE PHRASE VERBATIM BECAUSE HEARING 12IT FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN YOU OPEN YOUR OWN LITTLE ART SCHOOL 13FOR LITTLE KIDS, BOY, THOSE WORDS HIT ME LIKE A TON OF BRICKS, 14SO-- AND IF HE'S CHARACTERIZING IT AS AN UNUSUALLY HIGH 15CONCENTRATION AND HE'S THE PUBLIC DEFENDER, YOU KNOW, IT MADE 16AN IMPACT, SO WHATEVER YOU GUYS CAN DO TO FIX THAT, I'D REALLY 17APPRECIATE IT. I HATE THE THOUGHT OF HAVING MY LITTLE STUDENTS 18COMING TO SCHOOL IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT, SO THANK YOU. 19

20JOSHUA BEEMAN: JOSHUA BEEMAN. AGAIN, I DO THE JANITORIAL WORK 21FOR DR. BEEMAN'S OFFICE. 22

23SUP. ANTONOVICH: SPEAK UP LOUDER. 24

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1JOSHUA BEEMAN: MY NAME IS JOSHUA BEEMAN, AND I DO THE 2MAINTENANCE WORK THE OFFICE, DR. BEEMAN'S OFFICE. JUST BEING 3THERE AFTER HOURS AND EARLY MORNINGS, I DO SEE A LOT MORE, I 4SEE PEOPLE WITH WRAPPED UP ALCOHOL BOTTLES IN A PAPER BAG 5WALKING TO THE MOTEL FROM THE LIQUOR STORE OR DRINKING AS THEY 6GO OR WOMEN WITH THEM AND IT'S NOT A PLEASANT ENVIRONMENT TO 7WORK IN. I MEAN, ESPECIALLY YOU HAVE TO GO IN THE DARK, YOU 8KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS COMING IN THAT ALLEY, AND THEN 9SOMETIMES EVEN IN THE DAY YOU SEE THEM, I MEAN JUST CLEANING 10UP CONDOM WRAPPERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IT'S JUST QUITE 11DISGUSTING. IT'S NOT PLEASANT. THAT'S ALL. 12

13SAM CONTINO: I'M DR. SAM CONTINO, I'M A DENTIST IN PASADENA. 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I'D ASK LEROY WELCH AND HOURY TATLIAN TO 16JOIN US, PLEASE. GO AHEAD, SIR. 17

18SAM CONTINO: I'M DR. SAM CONTINO, I'M A DENTIST RIGHT IN THAT 19BLOCK. WE MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FINANCIAL 20INVESTMENT THAT OWNERS OF DAYS INN HAD INVESTED THERE. I KNOW 21FOR A FACT IN OUR OFFICE, WHEN WE TRANSFERRED FROM PASADENA 22OVER TO THERE, I INVESTED OVER $250,000. SUBSEQUENTLY, DR. 23BEEMAN IS ON THE NOTE FOR OVER $650,000, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT 24THE 700 OR $800,000 THAT DAYS INN DID, WE DO THE SAME KIND OF 25THING AT THE DENTAL OFFICE. WE ALSO HAVE EIGHT EMPLOYEES ON

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1OUR PAYROLL. WE DO GENERATE REVENUE FOR THE CITY AND THE 2STATE. I THINK THE POLICING OF THE FIRST RESOLUTION THAT YOU 3MADE, MR. ANTONOVICH, IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT, AND WE'VE 4SEEN THAT IN THE PAST. THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THE FIRST TIME. 5THE PROBLEM CAN GO AWAY FOR A LITTLE BIT BUT IT WILL COME 6BACK, AND IT ALWAYS HAS COME BACK FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS. I 7DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT TO CONTINUE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD 8UNLESS YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY SIT THERE, LOOK ME IN THE FACE AND 9SAY THE POLICING WILL BE HONEST, IT WILL BE STRAIGHTFORWARD 10AND IT WILL NOT FALTER, AND THAT'S A BIG RESPONSIBILITY TO THE 11COMMUNITY THAT YOU ARE NOW ASKING US TO ACCEPT ON YOUR OWN 12BEHALF. I THINK THE LUCKY STAR IS NOT A GOOD MOTEL THERE. IT 13DOES NOT FIT THE COMMUNITY, HAS NO POTENTIAL FOR REVIVAL LIKE 14MAYBE THE DAYS INN HAD. EL RANCHO ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT EITHER. 15SO I THINK YOUR DECISION TO LET THE DAYS INN, IF YOU CAN 16REALLY HONESTLY AS MY REPRESENTATIVE LET ME KNOW YOU'RE NOT 17GOING TO FAIL ME, I WILL NOT ABIDE BY THAT, BUT DO NOT LET THE 18LUCKY STAR AND PLEASE DO NOT LET THE EL RANCHO MAINTAIN. THANK 19YOU. 20

21HOURY TATLIAN: MY NAME IS HOURY TATLIAN. I LIVE AT 34 NORTH 22QUIGLEY. I'VE BEEN LIVING FOR 17 YEARS. THE HISTORY IS 23REPEATING ITSELF. I'VE BEEN SEEING ALL THESE YEARS THE SAME 24STORY OVER AND OVER. IT SAYS, EVERYTHING IS FINE, ONE WEEK, 25SECOND WEEK, THIRD WEEK, AND THEN IT'S COMING BACK, IT'S

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1COMING BACK ALL OVER AGAIN. IF YOU GUYS GIVE THE PERMIT TO 2THESE PEOPLE TO OPERATE AS A MOTEL, THE SOLUTION IS NOT GOING 3TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. IT KEEPS COMING BACK AND KEEPS COMING 4BACK. I HAVE THE HISTORY OF 17 YEARS. PLEASE, DON'T GIVE A 5PERMIT FOR THIS HOTEL, RANCHO HOTEL AND LUCKY HOTEL AND DAYS 6INN HOTEL I BEG YOU GUYS, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LIVING, I'VE BEEN 7GETTING UP FROM EARLY IN THE MORNING, AT 5:30, 6:00, SO I CAN 8GET THE CONDOMS FROM THE STREET SO MY KIDS DON'T SEE. WE'RE 9LIVING IN FEAR IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS NOT OKAY. THESE 10PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN THESE HOTELS AND AT NIGHT, AFTER 2:00, 111:00, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, THEY COME AND STAY WITH THE 12POLICE THAT ARE NEXT TO MY DOOR. I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF 13EVERYTHING. I SEE EVERYTHING, ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE 14HAPPENING, AND THE POLICE HAS MY RECORDS FOR EVERYTHING. THEN 15THE LAST THING THAT WE DON'T WANT ANY OPERATION GOING ON ON 16THE COLORADO AND QUIGLEY. I'M SICK AND TIRED OF CALLING THE 17POLICE OFFICER TO MAKE THEM COME AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. MAKE 18OUR COMMUNITY AS YOUR COMMUNITY AND MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. 19THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK STEVEN 22PROCTOR, ANITA REINSMA AND MELISSA CABRAL TO JOIN US PLEASE. 23LEROY? 24

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1LEROY WELCH: GOOD MORNING AGAIN. MY NAME IS LEROY WELCH. I 2LIVE IN THE EAST PASADENA AREA FOR 24 YEARS. I DON'T REALLY 3WANT TO BORE YOU WITH THE SAME ITEMS OVER AND OVER AGAIN 4BECAUSE I'M BEGINNING TO BORE MYSELF BY CONTINUING TO TALK 5ABOUT THESE ISSUES. I HEARD THE PEOPLE IN THE PREVIOUS-- 6PROPONENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS HOTEL SAY THAT WE NEED TO WORK 7TOGETHER, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN INCLUDED IN ANYTHING 8AFOREMENTIONED ABOUT ANY COMMUNITY ACTION. THAT WAS A SHOCK TO 9ME. I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING. I'VE CALLED THE SUPERVISOR'S 10OFFICES AND I WAS REFERRED TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BECAUSE 11THEY SAID THEY COULD DO NOTHING FOR ME, SO THERE'S BEEN 12REPORTS GIVEN BY POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN PASADENA, ARCADIA, 13SURROUNDING AREAS WHICH THE ACTIVITIES IN OUR AREA OVERFLOW TO 14THAT A LOT OF BAD THINGS ARE CONTINUING TO HAPPEN. THEY SAID, 15WORK TOGETHER. SO I TRIED IT. LAST YEAR, I HAD PLUMBING 16PROBLEMS, SO I SAID, I'M GOING TO GIVE THESE GUYS A CHANCE. 17I'M GOING TO GO DOWN TO THE DAYS INN. I NEED BATHROOM 18FACILITIES. SO I WALK THERE, I TOLD THE GUY, "I LIVE TWO 19BLOCKS AWAY, I'M HAVING PLUMBING PROBLEMS. I'D LIKE A ROOM FOR 20A NIGHT OR TWO UNTIL THE PROBLEM IS FIXED." HE ASKED ME WHAT 21TYPE OF ROOM DID I WANT. WELL, I THINK ALL YOUR ROOMS ARE THE 22SAME. WELL, WHAT TYPE OF ROOM DO YOU WANT? I SAID JUST A ROOM, 23AS LONG AS IT HAS A BATHROOM. "OH, WELL, UH, I DON'T HAVE A 24ROOM." SO I'M WONDERING, WHAT DID HE WANT ME TO SAY? DID HE 25WANT ME TO SAY I WANT THIS ROOM HOURLY? SO I DON'T REALLY

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1TRUST, YOU KNOW, THE STATEMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS 2CLEANED UP BECAUSE WE STILL SEE THE SAME ACTIVITIES. THANK 3YOU. 4

5SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. DIANE WICHERN. OKAY. NEXT. 6

7STEVEN PROCTOR: OH, ME? 8

9SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOU. DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. 10

11STEVEN PROCTOR: I'M STEVE PROCTOR, I WILL HAVE A COUPLE BLOCKS 12SOUTH FROM THIS COLORADO MESS. YOU LET US DOWN. LOW BUDGET 13MOTELS WILL NEVER CHANGE THE CLIMATE, WHETHER IT HAS A DAYS 14INN, BOTTOM OF THE BARREL LOGO ON IT OR NOT THE CLIMATE WILL 15NOT CHANGE. WE GOT THE SHOW AFTER THE DAYS INN SIGN WAS 16ERECTED. VERY DISAPPOINTED. I GUESS WE'RE DONE WITH THE 17LEGISLATIVE BRANCH AND WE'RE GOING TO SEEK WHATEVER WE CAN 18THROUGH THE JUDICIAL BRANCH. THE LUCKY STAR SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. 19IT'S A CESSPOOL. YOU SEE THE PICTURES. YOU SAW THE PICTURES OF 20THE DAYS INN. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY POLITICS GOING ON HERE AND I'M 21VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBORS. WE 22JUST CANNOT AFFORD. I'VE TAKEN FIVE DAYS OFF FROM WORK FOR-- 23THIS IS THE SIXTH DAY NOW, TWICE WE STILL-- TWICE, REX AND I, 24WE RENTED A TOUR BUS, FILLED IT WITH NEIGHBORS THAT ALL 25TESTIFIED, MANY OF WHICH WERE IN TEARS, BECAUSE WE WANT TO

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1CHANGE THE ENTIRE CLIMATE OF COLORADO. WE DO NOT USE THESE 2BUSINESSES. WHEN THAT WAS ROUTE 66, THESE LOW BUDGET MOTELS 3MAY HAVE HAD A PURPOSE. IT'S NO LONGER THE CASE. THEY DO NOT 4SERVE OUR IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY. THIS IS NOT A DESTINATION AREA 5LIKE CENTRAL PASADENA. IT'S MANY, MANY, MANY MILES EAST, AND 6ONCE AGAIN, YOU SEE THE PICTURES. WE HAVE TRUCKERS AND 7EVERYTHING ELSE. NOTHING AGAINST TRUCKERS, BUT WE DON'T WANT 8THAT-- WE DON'T WANT SEMIS PARKED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE 9PAY A LOT OF MONEY FOR AND PAY A LOT OF TAXES AND PAY A LOT OF 10MONEY TO KEEP UP AND TRY TO CREATE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND 11TRY TO ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE COMMUNITY-FRIENDLY. 12THEY'RE NOT. YOU'VE SEALED IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO ATTRACT NEW 13BUSINESSES. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR NOT LISTENING. 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. DUSTIN DINSMORE AND ANDREW LEFF 16AND DIANA CHANG. 17

18ANITA REINSMA: OKAY. ANITA REINSMA AGAIN, 45 YEARS IN THE AREA 19ON MOHAWK STREET. I'M JUST GOING TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION 20THINGS THAT ARE PUBLIC RECORD ON THE LUCKY STAR MOTEL. IT HAS 21A HISTORY OF HOUSING REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS FROM THE 22SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT'S PUBLIC RECORD. IT HAS BEEN THERE MANY, 23MANY TIMES OVER THE LAST DECADES FOR ARRESTING, FOR 24PROSTITUTION AND FOR DRUGS. THE OTHER INCIDENT THAT WE HAD WAS 25ON PUBLIC RECORD, THE LOS ANGELES SHERIFF'S MOUNTED PATROL,

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1THIS WAS LAST YEAR, MARCHED COLORADO BOULEVARD AS A SHOW OF 2FORCE TO THE SEX OFFENDERS, PROSTITUTES AND DRUG DEALERS. THIS 3WAS ON THE NEWS. THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WITH THE LUCKY 4STAR IS THAT THE LOS ANGELES SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS 5RECOMMENDED THAT THE LUCKY STAR BE SHUT DOWN, AND I THINK THAT 6THE LOS ANGELES SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS BETTER WAYS TO SPEND 7MONEY THAN TO BE CONSTANTLY GOING UP TO THE LUCKY STAR AND 8INVESTIGATING THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE THERE WITH DRUGS AND 9PROSTITUTION. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THEY SHOULDN'T BE 10THERE. 11

12SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. 13

14ANDREW LEFF: MY NAME IS AN GREW LEFF, I'M HERE REPRESENTING 15THE LUCKY STAR. THE LUCKY STAR AND OWNER, DIANA CHANG, THEY'VE 16OPERATED THE BUSINESS FOR OVER SEVEN YEARS AND MISS CHANG AND 17LUCKY STAR DON'T CONDONE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. THEY DON'T WANT 18ANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, DRUGS, PROSTITUTION, SEX OFFENDERS. AT 19ONE POINT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA CONTACTED THE OWNER AND 20WANTED TO PLACE PEOPLE THERE AND MS. CHANG BELIEVED THAT SHE 21HAD NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER WHEN THE STATE IS URGING HER TO DO 22THAT. WHEN THE OPPOSITION WAS MADE CLEAR TO HER, SHE TOOK IT 23UPON HERSELF TO REMOVE THOSE PEOPLE. IT WASN'T THE COMMUNITY 24PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTRAGED, IT WAS MISS CHANG HERSELF WHO HAD 25THOSE PEOPLE REMOVED. THE MEGAN'S LAW WEBSITE, PEOPLE THAT

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1MADE COMMENTS UPON IT, THIS BOARD SHOULD DEAL WITH FACTS, NOT 2WITH WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING IS IN THE WEBSITE. THE WEB SITE 3CAN BE LOOKED AT CURRENTLY. THERE'S ONE PERSON LISTED, AS 4SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH SAID, THOSE THINGS, IF YOU FLEE AND YOU 5DON'T PUT IN A CHANGE OF WEB SITE, IT STILL SHOWS UP. THAT'S 6WHY THE WEBSITE SAYS, QUOTE, "THE REGISTRANT MAY HAVE 7SUBSEQUENTLY RELOCATED." THERE ARE NO SEX OFFENDERS AT THE 8LUCKY STAR. THAT'S A FACT. THERE HAVEN'T BEEN FOR OVER A YEAR 9OR MORE. MY CLIENT IS A LAWFUL, ABIDING OWNER OF A BUSINESS. 10IF ONE OPERATES A LAWFUL BUSINESS, YOU SHOULDN'T TAKE RIGHTS 11AWAY FROM THEM IF THEY ARE SIMPLY OPERATING THAT BUSINESS, IF 12THEY'RE OPPOSING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, WHICH SHE'S DONE, IF SHE 13REMOVES THE SEX OFFENDERS, IF SHE SPENDS MONEY TO UPGRADE HER 14HOTEL OR MOTEL. THE SIZE OF THE MOTEL SHOULDN'T MATTER. SHE 15HAS 13 UNITS. THIS ISN'T AS BIG AS THE DAYS INN, ABOUT THE 16FACT IS SHE ABIDES BY THE LAWS OF THIS STATE, SHE DOESN'T WANT 17SEX OFFENDERS, SHE WILL WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, SHE SUPPORTS 18A COMMUNITY DISTRICT IN HER AREA AND SHE WILL SUPPORT ANY 19REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS, BUT THE FACT IS THAT SHE DOES ABIDE 20BY CALIFORNIA LAW AND SHE HAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. SHE 21WON'T ALLOW SEX OFFENDERS 22

23SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. YOUR TIME IS UP. 24

25ANDREW LEFF: AND DOESN'T ALLOW PROSTITUTES.

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: DIANA CHANG. 3

4DIANA CHANG: MY NAME IS DIANA CHANG, I AM LUCKY STAR MOTEL 5OWNER. I TAKE A VERY, VERY GOOD CARE OF THE PROPERTY. I 6MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, I CHECK IN GOOD PEOPLE ONLY. I DON'T 7HAVE BAD PEOPLE STAY THERE. I NO PROSTITUTION, NO SEX 8OFFENDERS STAY THERE. I TAKE A VERY, VERY GOOD CARE OF THE 9PROPERTY. 10

11SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH, 12THE ITEM IS BEFORE US, PLEASE. 13

14SUP. ANTONOVICH: FIRST, I WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY FROM THE 15SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO COME UP AS WELL, BUT LET ME ASK-- 16

17SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: CAN SOMEONE FROM THE SHERIFF'S 18DEPARTMENT COME UP? THANK YOU. 19

20SUP. ANTONOVICH: COUNTY COUNSEL, COULD YOU ADDRESS THE 21ORDINANCE THAT'S BEEN INITIATED, PASSED AND IS NOW OPERATIONAL 22IN THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES, HOW IT OPERATES AND WHAT IT 23DOES? 24

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1LARRY HAFETZ, COUNSEL: SURE, SUPERVISOR. EARLIER THIS YEAR, 2YOUR BOARD ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE DEALING WITH RESIDENTIAL 3RESTRICTIONS ON REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS, AND THERE ARE A 4COUPLE OF PROVISIONS OF THAT ORDINANCE THAT WOULD APPLY TO 5FACILITIES LIKE WE'RE HEARING TODAY, THESE MOTELS. THE FIRST 6ONE IS THAT IT'S OUR ORDINANCE PROHIBITS MORE THAN ONE SEX 7OFFENDER IN ANY PARTICULAR HOTEL ROOM AND IT PROHIBITS MORE 8THAN ONE SEX OFFENDER AND ANY ENTIRE MOTEL, SO THERE IS THAT 9RESTRICTION. THERE IS ALSO A RESTRICTION THAT A REGISTERED SEX 10OFFENDER CAN'T LIVE NEAR ANY SENSITIVE USES LIKE SCHOOL, PARK, 11DAYCARE CENTER, SO THERE'S THAT RESTRICTION AS WELL. THE THIRD 12THING IS THAT THE ORDINANCE IMPOSES A BURDEN ON THE OWNERS 13THAT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO KNOWINGLY VIOLATE THE ORDINANCE 14AND RENT TO MORE THAN ONE SEX OFFENDER IN A MOTEL. 15

16SUP. ANTONOVICH: OKAY. THANK YOU. LET ME ASK REGIONAL 17PLANNING, OTHER THAN THE APPLICANT AND THE ATTORNEY, WERE 18THERE ANY OTHER TESTIMONY IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT AT THE 19REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION? 20

21MI KIM: NO, THERE WAS NOT. 22

23SUP. ANTONOVICH: WAS THE COMMISSION'S VOTE, WHEN THEY VOTED, 24WAS THAT-- WHAT WAS THE BREAKDOWN IN THE VOTE? 25

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1MI KIM: IT WAS 5-0, UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT TO DENY THE PERMIT. 2

3SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED 4UNDER THE COUNTY'S ZONING ORDINANCE? 5

6MI KIM: WITH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, 14. 7

8SUP. ANTONOVICH: 14? AND HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE-- DOES 9THIS APPLICANT HAVE? 10

11MI KIM: 7 IS PROVIDED. THAT'S ALL. 12

13SUP. ANTONOVICH: SO THE REQUIREMENT IS 14 AND THIS SITE HAS 7? 14DOES THE MOTEL MEET CURRENT REQUIREMENTS FOR SET-BACKS? 15

16MI KIM: NO, IT DOES NOT. THE MINIMUM SET-BACK REQUIREMENT IS 17FIVE FEET. IT HAS ZERO. 18

19SUP. ANTONOVICH: HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE APPEARANCE OF THE 20MOTEL? 21

22MI KIM: THE MOTEL WAS BUILT IN 1947. WHEN I VISITED THE SITE, 23THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS ANY RENOVATIONS DONE TO 24THE PROPERTY. HOWEVER, SINCE THE APPLICANT HAS INFORMED ME 25THAT SHE HAS REPAVED THE PARKING AREA.

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2SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE SEPTEMBER 18TH 3MEMORANDUM FROM THE TREASURER TAX COLLECTOR, RELATIVE TO THE 4AUDIT OF THE APPLICANT'S TRANSIT OCCUPANCY TAXES? 5

6MI KIM: YES. 7

8SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND ARE THOSE CURRENT? 9

10MI KIM: THE APPLICANT IS DELINQUENT $14,320. 11

12SUP. ANTONOVICH: SO HOW MUCH ARE THEY DELINQUENT? 13

14MI KIM: 14,320. 15

16SUP. ANTONOVICH: QUESTION FOR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, RELATIVE 17TO THE ISSUE OF PARKING IN THE 18-WHEELER, THE BIG TRUCKS, CAN 18COUNTY ORDINANCE PROHIBIT SUCH PARKING ON THESE STREETS? 19

20CAPTAIN ROGNER: I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THOSE STREETS. 21

22SUP. ANTONOVICH: I UNDERSTAND IT DOES PROHIBIT THAT. COULD YOU 23ENSURE THAT THE LOCAL STATION THAT PATROLS THAT AREA WOULD 24TAKE NOTE THAT THERE IS-- THERE'S BEEN A VIOLATION AND 25ALTHOUGH THE RESIDENTS MAY NOT HAVE CALLED THE DEPARTMENT AT

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1TIMES, IF THEY WOULD DO PATROLS TO ENFORCE THAT ORDINANCE OF 2THE COUNTY. 3

4CAPTAIN ROGNER: I COULD SEE THAT WE GET SOME ENFORCEMENT UP IN 5THAT AREA. 6

7SUP. ANTONOVICH: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AS WELL AS THE OTHER 8ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES. YOU HEARD THEM AND YOU CAN MAKE THAT 9REPORT. 10

11CAPTAIN ROGNER: YES. I'VE BEEN LISTENING. I'LL SEE THAT ACTION 12IS TAKEN. 13

14SUP. ANTONOVICH: THANK YOU. AS NOTED FROM THE REPORT FROM THE 15SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, IT'S GIVEN TO US 16RIGHT NOW BY THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DEPARTMENT, LUCKY 17STAR HAS A LONG RECORD OF NUISANCE AND HAVEN FOR CRIMINAL 18ACTIVITY IN THE EAST PASADENA AREA. MUCH OF THE PROBLEM CAN BE 19ATTRIBUTED TO THE LAX ATTITUDE OF THE OWNER MANAGER OF THIS 20LOCATION, RENTING ROOMS BY THE HOUR, RENTING ROOMS WITHOUT 21REQUIRING IDENTIFICATION AND THE GENERAL RUNDOWN APPEARANCE 22HAVE ALL CONTRIBUTED TO A SEEDY ATMOSPHERE OF. AS NOTED FROM 23THE CITY OF ARCADIA, "THE LUCKY STAR MOTEL IS ALMOST 24IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO OUR JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES AT 25MITCHELLINA AND COLORADO BOULEVARD. ARCADIA P.D. HAS MADE

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1ARRESTS FROM THE MOTEL OF ROBBERY-SEXUAL ASSAULT SUSPECT, 2PROSTITUTION, DRUGS, WARRANTS, PROSTITUTES, CONTACTED BY 3ARCADIA P.D. IN THE COCO'S PARKING LOT 4

5SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: DOES STAFF HAVE MOTIONS TO HAND OUT? 6

7SUP. ANTONOVICH: IT'S NOT A MOTION. I'M READING. RESIDENTIAL 8STREETS TO THE EAST ALSO CAME FROM THE MOTEL. THE VICE MAYOR 9AND COUNCILMAN FROM THE CITY OF PASADENA, WHOSE COUNCIL 10DISTRICT IS NEAREST TO THIS HOTEL OPPOSE ALSO THE PROJECT 11BECAUSE OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE CITY OF PASADENA IN THE 12FORM OF CRIMES AND DRUG SALES, PROSTITUTION AND STAFF HAS 13RECEIVED MORE THAN 20 COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION. MANY HAVE 14WRITTEN EMAIL OR CALLED OUR OFFICE AS WELL. SO I WOULD LIKE TO 15MOVE THAT BASED UPON THE EVIDENCE OR RECORD, THE SUBJECT MOTEL 16HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE MANY SOCIAL PROBLEMS IMPACTING EAST 17COLORADO BOULEVARD, NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS, 18LAW ENFORCEMENT, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITIES OF ARCADIA AND 19PASADENA AND TESTIFIED IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED C.U.P. 20AFTER CONDUCTING TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE REGIONAL PLANNING 21COMMISSION VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO DENY THE SUBJECT CONDITIONAL 22USE PERMIT APPLICATION, SO I THEREFORE MOVE THAT THE BOARD 23CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING INDICATING ITS INTENT TO DENY THE 24C.U.P. PERMIT NUMBER 2006-000095-5 DIRECTING COUNTY COUNSEL TO

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1PREPARE FINDINGS FOR DENIAL AND BRING BACK TO FUTURE BOARD 2MEETING FOR VOTE. SO MOVED. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ALL RIGHT. CHAIR WILL SECOND FOR DENIAL. 5WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 6

7SUP. ANTONOVICH: THANK YOU. 8

9CLERK SACHI HAMAI: WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 6. THIS IS THE DE 10NOVO HEARING ON PROJECT NUMBER R-2006-00384-5, CONDITIONAL USE 11PERMIT CASE NUMBER 2006-000029-5 AND CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION 12LOCATED AT 8714 EAST AVENUE T AT AN EXISTING MARKET IN THE C-3 13UNLIMITED COMMERCIAL ZONE WITHIN THE UNINCORPORATED COMMUNITY 14OF ANTELOPE VALLEY, LITTLE ROCK ZONED DISTRICT APPLIED FOR BY 15JAVIAR ARAIZA. THERE IS A DEPARTMENT STATEMENT AND WRITTEN 16CORRESPONDENCE WAS RECEIVED. 17

18SUP. MOLINA: IS THERE ON ORAL REPORT? 19

20CLERK SACHI HAMAI: YES. 21

22TYLER MONTGOMERY: GOOD MORNING, SUPERVISORS. MY NAME IS TYLER 23MONTGOMERY, I'M WITH ZONING PERMITS OF DEPARTMENTS OF REGIONAL 24PLANNING. THIS ITEM IS A DE NOVO HEARING ON CONDITIONAL USE 25PERMIT CASE NUMBER 2006-00029 IN THE FIFTH SUPERVISORIAL

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1DISTRICT. THIS IS APPEAL OF REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION'S 2APPROVAL ISSUED ON NOVEMBER 5TH, 2008. THE APPLICANT, JAVIAR 3ARAIZA, IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE 4THE SALE OF REFRIGERATED BEER AND WINE FOR OFF-SITE 5CONSUMPTION AT AN EXISTING MARKET. THE FACILITY, CARNECERIA EL 6NOVIO MARKET IS LOCATED AT 8714 EAST AVENUE T WITHIN THE C-3 7UNLIMITED COMMERCIAL ZONE IN THE LITTLE ROCK ZONED DISTRICT OF 8LOS ANGELES COUNTY. THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY SELLING BEER 9AND WINE FOR OFF-SITE CONSUMPTION, WHICH IS ALLOWED UNDER THE 10ENTITLEMENT OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT GRANTED IN 2002 BY THE 11BOARD. THE GRANT ALLOWS FOR THE SALE OF NON REFRIGERATED BEER 12AND WINE ONLY. THE SUBJECT MARKET IS LOCATED WITHIN AN 13EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER CONTAINING VARIOUS COMMERCIAL USES, A 14TAVERN AND A RESTAURANT. CURRENTLY TWO OTHER BUSINESSES WITHIN 15500 FEET OF THE PROJECT HAVE LICENSES TO SELL ALCOHOLIC 16BEVERAGES. JOSHUA LIQUOR HAS LICENSED TO SELL A FULL LINE OF 17ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR OFF-SITE CONSUMPTION WHILE J.J.'S 18TAVERN HAS A LICENSE TO SELL A FULL LINE OF ALCOHOL FOR ON- 19SITE CONSUMPTION. BECAUSE OF THESE NEARBY LICENSES, THE 20APPLICANT IS RESTRICTED TO UTILIZING NO MORE THAN 5 PERCENT OF 21SHELF SPACE FOR THE DISPLAY OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. IN 22ADDITION, PUBLIC CONVENIENCE OR NECESSITY MUST BE MADE FOR THE 23SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES TO BE EXPANDED. DURING ITS 24DISCUSSION OF THE PROJECT, THE REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION 25INDICATED THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE WOULD BE INCREASED BY THE

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1PROJECT AS RESIDENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO PURCHASE COLD BEER AND 2WINE WHILE SHOPPING FOR GROCERIES INSTEAD OF MAKING A SEPARATE 3TRIP. THE BOARD'S DRAFT FINDINGS FOR THIS ITEM SHOULD INCLUDE 4A FINDING OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE OR NECESSITY. PROJECT IS 5LOCATED WITHIN A HIGH CRIME REPORTING DISTRICT. DESPITE THIS, 6THE LOCAL SHERIFF'S STATION HAS INDICATED THAT IT DOES NOT 7OPPOSE THE PROJECT. THE LITTLE ROCK TOWN COUNCIL HAS INDICATED 8ITS SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AS WELL. STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE 9VERY LIMITED SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, REFRIGERATING BEER AND 10WINE, WILL NOT CAUSE ANY FURTHER DETRIMENT TO THE HEALTH, 11PEACE OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE AREA. DUE TO THIS AND COMBINED 12WITH THE OTHER REASONS CITED IN THIS ANALYSIS, IT IS STAFF'S 13RECOMMENDATION TO UPHOLD THE REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION'S 14APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 15

16SUP. MOLINA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON THIS 17ITEM AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE TWO-MINUTE LIMIT. IF 18I COULD HAVE ERIKA ARAIZA AND WIL NIEVES TO PLEASE COME 19FORWARD. 20

21WIL NIEVES: GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS WIL NIEVES. I'M THE 22APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE. I'D JUST LIKE TO STATE A COUPLE OF 23THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, ALL THE OTHER CONDITIONS THAT ARE ON THE 24PROPERTY ARE GOING TO REMAIN IN PLACE. THE ONLY CHANGE IN THIS 25APPLICATION IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE

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1REFRIGERATE BEER AND WINE SALES. THE OTHER CONDITIONS THAT ARE 2STILL IN PLACE AT CLOSING HOURS WHICH ARE 8 A.M. IN THE 3MORNING TO 10:00 P.M. AT NIGHT, THERE WILL BE NO ADVERTISING 4OR DISPLAY IN THE WINDOWS, THAT WE CAN ONLY SELL IN SIX PACK 5SALES, THAT THERE BE NO ICE DISPLAYS AND THAT THERE WILL BE 6SHELF SPACE LIMIT TO ONLY 5 PERCENT OF THE AREA. IS THIS 7LICENSE HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2005. IT'S BEEN A LONG WAYS TO 8GET TO THIS POINT. THE APPEAL THAT IS HERE BEFORE YOU IS AN 9APPEAL BY A COMPETITOR THAT OWNS THE LIQUOR STORE. THERE IS NO 10ONE ELSE OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT. THE LIQUOR STORE IS OPEN 11UNTIL LATE NIGHT HOURS. IT ALSO HAS THE ABILITY TO SELL SINGLE 12CAN SALES AND ALL OTHER TYPES OF ACCESSORY TYPES OF BEER AND 13WINE AND HARD LIQUOR. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CONTINUE WITH 14THE FAMILY-RUN OPERATION OF A MARKET. WE HAVE LIMITED SALES, 15WE CLOSE EARLY AND THIS MINOR CHANGE I THINK IS NOT A 16DETRIMENT TO THE AREA. SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE APPROVE THIS 17APPLICATION. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING WORSE THAN WHAT 18THE LIQUOR STORE IS DOING. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE CLOSING 19EARLY AND WE'RE ONLY HAVING SIX PACKS SOLD, SO I THINK IT'S A 20VERY GOOD APPLICATION. 21

22ERIKA ARAIZA: MY NAME IS ERIKA ARAIZA AND I AM THE OWNER'S 23DAUGHTER, AND I'M JUST HERE TO SAY, WE HAVE TRIED VERY HARD TO 24GET THIS LICENSE. I BELIEVE IT WOULD HELP US A LOT. WE ALWAYS 25HELP OUT THE COMMUNITY, WE ALWAYS HELP OUT WITH SOCCER TEAMS,

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1THE HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS AND IT WOULD REALLY HELP US HELP THEM 2EVEN MORE. WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, OF COURSE, THE ECONOMY IS 3BAD, AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE EVERYTHING WORK AND THAT'S ALL I 4HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. 5

6SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. THE ITEM IS BEFORE US. 7

8SUP. ANTONOVICH: A COUPLE QUESTIONS TO THE REGIONAL PLANNING. 9THE APPLICANT, DOES HE HAVE A VALID PERMIT TO SELL BEER AND 10WINE? 11

12TYLER MONTGOMERY: YES. 13

14SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THAT IT JUST 15BE REFRIGERATED? 16

17TYLER MONTGOMERY: THAT'S CORRECT. 18

19SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND THE SHERIFF HAS ANY OBJECTIONS OR NO 20OBJECTIONS? 21

22TYLER MONTGOMERY: THE SHERIFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS. 23

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1SUP. ANTONOVICH: NO OBJECTIONS BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, 2AND WAS THE PROJECT APPROVED BY THE REGIONAL PLANNING HEARING 3OFFICER? 4

5TYLER MONTGOMERY: YES, IT WAS APPROVED FIRST BY THE HEARING 6OFFICER AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT APPEAL BY THE REGIONAL 7PLANNING COMMISSION. 8

9SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND THE REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE 10WAS? 11

12TYLER MONTGOMERY: THE VOTE WAS 5-0 IN FAVOR. 13

14SUP. ANTONOVICH: SUPPORTED IT. THIS PROJECT IS SUPPORTED BY 15THE LITTLE ROCK TOWN COUNCIL? 16

17TYLER MONTGOMERY: YES. LITTLE ROCK TOWN COUNCIL HAS ISSUED A 18LETTER OF SUPPORT. 19

20SUP. ANTONOVICH: THE ONLY MATTER BEFORE THE BOARD IS WHETHER 21TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO SELL REFRIGERATED BEER AND WINE, 22WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN SELLING AS STATED SINCE 2002 AT 23THIS LOCATION AND THERE HAVE BEEN NO SIGNIFICANT CODE 24ENFORCEMENT ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICANT. THEY OPERATE 25A MINI MARKET AND ONLY A SPACED PORTION OF THE RETAIL SPACE IS

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1DEVOTED TO THE SALE OF ALCOHOL. CONDITION 18 OF THE REGIONAL 2PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL PROPOSES MORE THAN 20 SEPARATE 3RESTRICTIONS AND LIMITATIONS REGARDING THE SALE OF ALCOHOL. 4THIS PROJECT HAS STATED-- IS SUPPORTED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AND 5THE SHERIFF DOES NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION AND GIVEN THE 6DOCUMENTS FILED WITH THE INITIAL APPEAL, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT 7THE OBJECTION IS BASED ON COMPETITIVE GROUNDS AS OPPOSED TO 8FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE, MR. CHAIRMAN, 9THAT THE OWNER OF MINI MARKET AT 8714 EAST AVENUE T IN LITTLE 10ROCK, WHICH HAS BEEN SELLING UNREFRIGERATED BEER AND WINE 11SINCE 2002, AT THIS TIME THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL 12TO SELL REFRIGERATED BEER AND WINE. THERE HAVE BEEN NO 13SIGNIFICANT ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, AS I STATED BY THE SHERIFF AND 14SUPPORTED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AND APPROVED BY THE REGIONAL 15PLANNING HEARING OFFICER AND BY THE REGIONAL PLANNING 16COMMISSION WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE LITTLE ROCK TOWN COUNCIL, 17I'D MOVE THAT THE BOARD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, INDICATE ITS 18INTENT TO DENY THE APPEAL AND DIRECT COUNTY COUNSEL TO PREPARE 19FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL OF PERMIT TO BRING BACK 20TO THE FUTURE BOARD. 21

22TYLER MONTGOMERY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 23

24SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WITHOUT OBJECTIONS. ANY FURTHER 25QUESTIONS? COUNTY COUNSEL? ANYBODY? SO ORDERED. THANK YOU.

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2CLERK SACHI HAMAI: WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 7. THIS IS THE 3HEARING ON AMENDMENTS TO THE COUNTY CODE, TITLE 10, ANIMALS, 4TO ADD AND DELETE DEFINITIONS RELATING TO ANIMAL FACILITIES, 5KENNELS AND THE BREEDING AND BOARDING OF ANIMALS, ADD A FIELD 6ENFORCEMENT FEE FOR ANIMAL LICENSING, MODIFIED DELINQUENCY 7CHARGES AND PROVIDE CLARIFICATION FOR EXISTING POLICIES. THERE 8IS NO DEPARTMENT STATEMENT AND NO CORRESPONDENCE WAS RECEIVED. 9

10SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. WE HAVE THE ITEM BEFORE US. WE DO 11HAVE ONE SPEAKER FROM THE PUBLIC. I'M GOING TO ASK CATHIE 12TURNER IF SHE'D JOIN US, PLEASE. 13

14CATHIE TURNER: HELLO. MY NAME IS CATHIE TURNER, I'M THE 15EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR CONCERNED DOG OWNERS OF CALIFORNIA. WE 16REPRESENT QUITE A FEW MEMBERS IN THE UNINCORPORATED PARTS OF 17THE COUNTY AND I'M HERE PARTICULARLY TO TALK ABOUT THE SECTION 18OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE WHICH WOULD CREATE A NEW CATEGORY OF 19HOBBY BREEDER. THOSE HOBBY BREEDERS WOULD HAVE TO GET THE SAME 20KIND OF LICENSE AND PAY THE SAME AMOUNT THAT A PET STORE, AN 21ANIMAL MENAGERIE AND A NUMBER OF OTHER AREAS WOULD HAVE TO DO. 22A HOBBY BREEDER MIGHT HAVE AS MANY AS EIGHT OR NINE DOGS IN A 23YEAR. MOST HOBBY BREEDERS ARE NOT BREEDING ON A REGULAR BASIS. 24I ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH OUR MEMBERSHIP AND LOOKED TO SEE WHAT 25PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING AND IT'S MORE COMMON THAT SOMEONE MIGHT

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1HAVE A LITTER OF PUPPIES AND THEN MAYBE FOR OUR FIVE YEARS 2LATER THEY'D HAVE A LITTER OF PUPPIES. I THINK TO CHARGE THESE 3PEOPLE AS IF THEY WERE A PET STORE IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE. 4RIGHT NOW, THOSE PEOPLE, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A LITTER OF 5PUPPIES, MUST GET A BREEDER'S PERMIT, IT COSTS $125, AND THAT 6WOULD SEEM TO BE AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO THIS. ALSO, IF YOU 7LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE RELATING TO HOBBY BREEDERS, IT'S NOT 8CLEAR WHETHER YOU'RE ALSO ASKING THAT HOBBY BREEDERS TO NOW 9PAY FOR AN INSPECTION OF THEIR HOME. THAT NEEDS TO BE 10CLARIFIED, SO AS WE SAID IN THE LETTER OUR ORGANIZATION SENT 11TO YOU, WE WOULD ASK YOU TO REMOVE THE REMOVE THE SECTION ON 12HOBBY BREEDERS WITH THE PERMIT COSTING $125 OR DO WHAT THE 13ZONING PEOPLE DO. LET'S HAVE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THIS AND 14LET'S GET SOME INPUT FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS SO THAT WHEN YOU 15MAKE A DECISION ON THIS, YOU CAN MAKE A GOOD DECISION. THANK 16YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 17

18SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. MARCIA, COULD YOU RESPOND, 19PLEASE? 20

21MARCIA MAYEDA: THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A 22CHANGE IN THE REQUIREMENTS FOR HOBBY BREEDERS. THERE WAS SOME 23REALIGNMENT OF ITEMS BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES OF LANGUAGE IN THE 24ORDINANCE AND THAT MAY HAVE LED TO SOME CONFUSION, BUT THERE'S 25ALWAYS BEEN A REQUIREMENT FOR HOBBY BREEDER WITH THAT FEE.

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WHAT ABOUT THE ISSUE OF THE INSPECTIONS 3THAT WAS RAISED? 4

5MARCIA MAYEDA: THAT'S BEEN A COMMON PRACTICE AND THIS HAS BEEN 6ON THE BOOKS FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS OR LONGER. 7

8SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. MIKE? 9

10SUP. ANTONOVICH: COULD YOU ELABORATE RELATIVE TO THE IMPACT 11THESE FEES WOULD HAVE ON HOBBY BREEDERS? 12

13MARCIA MAYEDA: THE FEES, THERE'S NO CHANGE IN FEES. 14

15SUP. ANTONOVICH: THERE'S NO CHANGE IN FEES, SO IT'S ALL THE 16SAME. 17

18MARCIA MAYEDA: YES. 19

20SUP. ANTONOVICH: SO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER WAS NOT-- DID NOT 21UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE? 22

23MARCIA MAYEDA: I THINK IT WAS $125 MANY YEARS AGO, BUT IT WAS 24CHANGED TO 250 SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND THERE'S NO CHANGE TODAY 25IN THE FEES.

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2SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND DID THE AUDITOR-CONTROLLER DETERMINE THAT 3THE FEES ARE IN LINE WITH THE ACTUAL COST OF SERVICES? 4

5MARCIA MAYEDA: YES. WE'VE REVIEWED THESE WITH THE AUDITOR- 6CONTROLLER. 7

8SUP. ANTONOVICH: WAS THERE ANY VALUE ADDED AS A RESULT OF THE 9FEE INCREASES RELATIVE TO REVENUES BEING RECEIVED SUFFICIENT 10TO IMPROVE ANIMAL CONTROL AND CARE SERVICES? 11

12MARCIA MAYEDA: WE EXPECT THOSE TO GENERATE ADDITIONAL REVENUE 13FOR THE DEPARTMENT FROM THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS APPROXIMATELY 1420,000-- UP TO $20,000 A MONTH IN DELINQUENCY NOTICES AND 15POSSIBLE UP TO $100,000 A MONTH IN OUR FIELD ENFORCEMENT FEES 16FOR THE ANIMAL LICENSING. THAT WOULD HELP OFFSET THE COST OF 17COUNTY PROVIDING THE SERVICES IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS. 18

19SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND HOW DID THESE FEES DIFFER FROM LAST 20MONTH'S ACTIONS? 21

22MARCIA MAYEDA: FROM THE ACTUALS? 23

24SUP. ANTONOVICH: RIGHT. 25

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1MARCIA MAYEDA: CURRENTLY THERE IS NO FIELD ENFORCEMENT FEE, 2THAT'S A NEW FEE. FROM THE DELINQUENCY FEES, WHAT WE HAVE 3CURRENTLY IS IT'S A 20-DOLLAR SET FEE REGARDLESS OF THE COST 4OF YOUR LICENSE, SO OUR LICENSES RANGE ANYWHERE FROM $5 FOR A 5SPAYED OR NEUTERED CAT UP TO $60 FOR AN UNALTERED DOG, AND 6IT'S NOT EQUITABLE STRUCTURE TO PAY 20 ON A 5-DOLLAR LICENSE 7VERSUS A 60-DOLLAR LICENSE, SO WHAT WE FELT WAS MORE EQUITABLE 8SO THAT EVERYBODY IS CHARGED COMMENSURATELY. 9

10SUP. ANTONOVICH: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. 11

12SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: MOVE FOR APPROVAL. MOVED BY SUPERVISOR 13ANTONOVICH. SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS. ANY 14OBJECTION? SO BE THE ORDER. 15

16CLERK SACHI HAMAI: ON ITEM NUMBER 9, THIS IS THE HEARING ON 17INCREASE TO THE MAXIMUM AND MINIMUM TICKET AND PARKING PRICES 18PROPOSED BY THE LOS ANGELES PHILHARMONIC ASSOCIATION FOR THE 192010 HOLLYWOOD BOWL SEASON. THERE IS NO DEPARTMENT STATEMENT 20AND NO WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE WAS RECEIVED. 21

22SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. MOVED BY SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY, 23SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR MOLINA. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 24

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1CLERK SACHI HAMAI: WE'RE NOW ON HEARING ITEM NUMBER 10. THIS 2IS THE DE NOVO HEARING ON PROJECT NUMBER 2008-00138-5, 3CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CASE NUMBER 2008-00014-5 IN CATEGORICAL 4EXEMPTION LOCATED AT 47904 90TH STREET WEST IN THE COMMUNITY 5OF ANTELOPE ACRES WITHIN THE ANTELOPE VALLEY WEST ZONED 6DISTRICT APPLIED FOR BY JAMES MORALES. THERE IS A DEPARTMENT 7STATEMENT ON THIS AND CORRESPONDENCE WAS RECEIVED. 8

9MARK CHILD: GOOD AFTERNOON, SUPERVISORS. MY NAME IS MARK CHILD 10WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF REGIONAL PLANNING AND WITH ME IS ANDREW 11SETEK, WHO WAS THE CASE PLANNER ON THIS PROJECT. AGENDA ITEM 12NUMBER 10 IS REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE 13THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE FOR ONSITE CONSUMPTION AT A PROPOSED 14NEW RESTAURANT AT 49709 90TH STREET WEST IN ANTELOPE ACRES, TO 15BE KNOWN AS THE CACTUS INN. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED 16COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL IN THE ANTELOPE VALLEY AREA-WIDE GENERAL 17PLAN AND IS IN THE C-3 UNLIMITED COMMERCIAL ZONE, PROPERTIES 18TO THE NORTH AND WEST ARE ALSO ZONED C-3. TO THE EAST IS ZONED 19A-1, WHICH IS LIKE AGRICULTURE AND TO THE SOUTH IS R-3 20UNLIMITED MULTIPLE RESIDENCE. THE SURROUNDING LAND USES ARE 21SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE NORTH AND WEST, A COMMUNITY 22CENTER TO THE EAST AND VACANT LAND TO THE SOUTH. THE REGIONAL 23PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THE APPLICATION AT TWO HEARINGS 24HELD ON FEBRUARY 4TH AND MARCH 4TH, 2008. AT THE HEARING, THE 25REQUEST WAS OPPOSED BY SEVEN PERSONS WHO TESTIFIED, 16

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1OPPOSITION LETTERS WERE RECEIVED, WHICH IS INCLUDED COMMENTS 2FROM THE ANTELOPE ACRES TOWN COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER. 3THE REQUEST WAS SUPPORTED BY SIX TESTIFIERS, SEVEN SUPPORT 4LETTERS AND PETITION SIGNED BY 140 PERSONS. BASED ON TESTIMONY 5AND INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE PLANNING 6COMMISSION WAS CONCERNED THAT THE APPLICANT WAS INTENDING TO 7UPGRADE A BAR AND NOT A RESTAURANT. THE COMMISSION CONSIDERED 8CRIME REPORTS FROM THE PREVIOUS LOCATION AT THE CACTUS INN 9WHEN THE ESTABLISHMENT WAS LOCATED IN PALMDALE. IT FOUND THAT 10THE PROPOSAL WAS INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AS IT 11WOULD NOT PRIMARILY SERVE THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND IT WOULD 12DRAW FROM THE MUCH LARGER AREA. THE COMMISSION FOUND THAT THE 13APPLICANT HAD FAILED TO SUBSTANTIATE THE BURDEN OF PROOF, THAT 14THE USE WOULD NOT BE DISRUPTED TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, 15INCLUDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY CENTER. THE REQUEST WAS 16DENIED BY A VOTE OF 4-0. AN APPEAL OF THE COMMISSION'S 17DECISION WAS FILED BY THE APPLICANT WITHIN THE SPECIFIED 18APPEAL PERIOD. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU. 19

20SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE WE CALL-- WE 21HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO TESTIFY IN REGARDS TO 22THIS. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? TWO MINUTES. ANGELA MORALES, 23JAMES MORALES, RUTH LEINART, BRUCE RILEY. IF YOU'D SIT DOWN 24AND IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED 25WITH YOUR TESTIMONY, AND WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED, IF YOU'LL TAKE

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1YOUR SEATS, I'LL CALL UP ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS. THANK YOU. OKAY. 2WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST. 3

4ANGELA MORALES: MY NAME IS ANGELA MORALES. I LIVE IN ANTELOPE 5ACRES FOR 10 YEARS. THERE IS NO ESTABLISHMENT WHERE YOU CAN 6PURCHASE A HOT MEAL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CAN, BUT ONLY 7BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 3:00 P.M. AND 8:00, AND THAT'S A 8HAMBURGER IN A BOX AND THAT'S IT, NO PLACE TO EAT IT. YOU HAVE 9TO EAT IT IN YOUR CAR OR TAKE IT HOME. THERE'S NO PLACE TO 10MEET WITH YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR FAMILY WHEN THEY COME TO TOWN. WE 11REALLY NEED SOMETHING OUT IN THAT AREA. AND IT ISN'T A BONA 12FIDE RESTAURANT. BREAKFAST, LUNCH, DINNER, ONLY WANTING TO 13STAY OPEN UNTIL 9:00 AT NIGHT DURING THE WEEK. AND IT SERVES 14BEER AND WINE IF THEY CHOOSE. IT'S NOT A ESTABLISHMENT THAT IS 15GOING TO BE PUSHING THE ALCOHOL. IT'S FOOD, AND THE PLACE TO 16COME AND BE WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND ENJOY YOUR MEAL. IT'S HOT 17AND THEY COOK FOR YOU EVERY NOW AND THEN, AND WE REALLY NEED 18IT OUT THERE. THANK YOU. 19

20SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: NEXT? 21

22BRUCE RILEY: MY NAME IS BRUCE RILEY. I LIVE IN LANCASTER, 23CALIFORNIA. I'VE KNOWN JIM MORALES FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS. HE WAS 24A WELL-ESTABLISHED BUSINESSMAN UNTIL HIS BUSINESS HAD TO CLOSE 25DUE TO A LOSS OF LEASE BECAUSE THE OWNER SOLD THE PROPERTY. HE

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1WANTED TO MOVE HIS BUSINESS OUT AWAY FROM TOWN SO THAT THERE 2WOULDN'T BE SO MANY PEOPLE AROUND HIM THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE 3OF GOOD CHARACTER. HOWEVER, APPARENTLY THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE 4OUT CLOSE TO WHERE HE WANTS TO ESTABLISH HIS BUSINESS THINK 5THAT ANY BUSINESS THAT SERVES ALCOHOL IS NOT WANTED, AND I 6THINK THAT DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO PLACE OUT THERE 7THAT A PERSON CAN GO SIT DOWN, HAVE A MEAL, ORDER A BEER, GET 8A GLASS OF WINE, TALK TO THEIR NEIGHBORS, GO IN FOR COFFEE IN 9THE MORNING, THIS IS THE BUSINESS THAT NEEDS TO BE 10ESTABLISHED. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. 11

14RUTH LEINART: MY NAME IS RUTH LEINART. I'VE WORKED FOR JIM 15MORALES IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. I'VE KNOWN HIM PRIOR TO THAT, 16OWNING HIS BUSINESS IN PALMDALE. I WANT TO GO TO WORK OUT 17THERE AND AGAIN HAVE A RESTAURANT THAT CAN SERVE HOME-COOKED 18FOOD AND HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, LIKE THEY SAID, HAVE BEER AND 19WINE WITH THEIR FOOD OR IF THEY WANT TO COME IN AND SIT DOWN 20AND HAVE A DRINK. IT'S VERY WELL NEEDED OUT THERE. THERE'S 21NOTHING OUT THERE, AND THERE'S NOWHERE TO EAT WHEN IT'S 8:00 22IN THE EVENING. WE HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY INTO TOWN. THERE'S 23JUST NOTHING OPEN OUT IN THAT AREA. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED 24TO SAY. 25

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. I WOULD ASK COLLEEN SCHILLER, 2PAULA RITTER AND CLARISSA BUTLER TO JOIN US UP HERE, PLEASE. 3YES, SIR. 4

5JAMES MORALES: YES, SIR. MY NAME IS JAMES MORALES. I WAS A 6PREVIOUS BUSINESS OWNER AT CACTUS ROAD AT 5022 FORT TEJON 7ROAD. WHATEVER IS SAID ABOUT A LOT OF CALLS AND EVERYTHING, I 8NEVER SEEN ONE SHERIFF, AND I WAS THERE FOR 16 YEARS AND I 9STAYED THERE UNTIL CLOSING TIME, SO THERE WAS NEVER ANY 10REPORTS WHERE I HAD TO GO TO COURT OR TESTIFY AGAINST 11ANYTHING. HERE'S MY RESTAURANT LICENSE FROM MY OLD LOCATION. 12I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A RESTAURANT, AND MY ALCOHOL LICENSE FROM THE 13OLD LOCATION, WHICH BOTH OF THEM WERE IN GOOD STANDING FOR 16 14YEARS. AT THE NEW LOCATION, THEY WANTED PICTURES OF THE 15RESTAURANT EQUIPMENT. THERE'S A STOVE, FRIGIDAIRE, ALL THE 16KITCHEN STUFF TO DO COOKING AND TO DO BREAKFAST, LUNCH AND 17DINNER, AND LIKE MAY EMPLOYEES AND FRIENDS THAT KNOW ME, KNOW 18THAT I'M NOT THAT TYPE OF PERSON BECAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN 19OPEN 16 YEARS IF THERE WAS PROBLEMS AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS 20STIRRED UP. HOWEVER, I JUST WANT TO GET OPEN IN THIS NEW 21LOCATION, PUT EMPLOYEES BACK TO WORK, AND I WANT TO GET BACK 22TO WORK MYSELF. I SPONSORED AT MY OLD LOCATION THINGS FOR 23KIDS, CHARITY EVENTS, TOYS FOR UNDERPRIVILEGED CHILDREN. I DID 24ALSO THINGS FOR THE VIETNAM VETS, DISABLED VETS THAT NEEDED 25HELP, WE DONATED MONEY TO THAT. EVERYBODY THAT KNOWS ME KNOWS

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1THAT I'M IN GOOD STANDING AND CAN TESTIFY TO THAT, WHICH 2YOU'VE HEARD THESE PEOPLE SAY. AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO 3SAY. 4

5SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. LET'S SEE. I WOULD ASK 6EMILY THOMPSON TO JOIN US, PLEASE. WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO 7PROCEED, GO AHEAD. 8

9COLLEEN SCHILLER: MY NAME IS COLLEEN SCHILLER I'M HERE FROM 10THE ANTELOPE ACRES TOWN COUNCIL, AND MOST OF US THAT MOVED TO 11ANTELOPE ACRES DID NOT MOVE THERE FOR THE DINING AND 12ENTERTAINMENT EXPERIENCE. WE CAME BECAUSE WE WANTED TO LIVE A 13QUIET, RURAL LIFESTYLE. WE REALIZED WHEN WE CAME THAT THERE 14WERE LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES TO DINE IN A RESTAURANT AND WE WERE 15WILLING TO DO THAT WHEN WE CAME. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS 16ADDRESSED WAS THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES COLLECTED. WE HAVE 17PRESENTED THAT LIST TO THE COUNTY NOW AND I WANTED TO LET YOU 18KNOW THAT THERE WERE, IN FACT-- WE HAVE PUT IT DOWN TO 19HOUSEHOLDS. WE ELIMINATED DUPLICATES AND MULTIPLE NAMES AT ONE 20ADDRESS, AND WHEN IT WAS ALL SAID AND DONE, 86 HOUSEHOLDS 21OPPOSED THE RESTAURANT VERSUS 33 HOUSEHOLDS THAT WERE IN FAVOR 22OF THE RESTAURANT, AND THIS EXPRESSES ITSELF IN A RATIO OF 232.51 HOUSEHOLDS BEING OPPOSED TO THE OPENING OF CACTUS INN TO 24EVERY ONE IN FAVOR OF THE CACTUS INN. I WILL MAKE IT BRIEF AND 25SAY THAT MR. MORALES MAY HAVE SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON

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1HIS C.U.P., BUT OUR COMMUNITY HAS SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS 2OF DOLLARS ON OUR HOMES AND OUR PROPERTIES. MR. MORALES CAN 3MOVE HIS BUSINESS, BUT WE CANNOT MOVE OUR HOMES. WE DON'T NEED 4A BAR, WE DON'T NEED A RESTAURANT AND I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO 5CONSIDER EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED TODAY AND PRIOR IN 6RESPONSE TO THE APPEAL. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR 7TIME. WE APPRECIATE IT. 8

9SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. DON WARD. 10

11PAULA RITTER: I'M PAULA RITTER AND I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO 12THE PROPOSED BAR, AND MY OBJECTION IS THE NOISE, AND I KNOW 13THERE WILL BE JUST LOTS OF NOISE. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 14

17CLARISSA BUTLER: HI. MY NAME IS CLARISSA BUTLER AND I WAS BORN 18AND RAISED IN ANTELOPE ACRES. I WAS LITTLE MISS AND JUNIOR 19MISS ANTELOPE ACRES AND I'M CURRENTLY PRESIDENT OF WEST SIDE 204-H, AND I'M VERY INVOLVED WITH MY COMMUNITY. AND I FEEL THE 21CACTUS INN WOULD NOT BE A GOOD ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY. A 22COUPLE YEARS BACK I WATCHED POLICE TAPE OFF THE OLD 23ESTABLISHMENT FOR A MURDER THAT HAD JUST TAKEN PLACE AND IT 24WOULD BE A GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT TO SEE A KID WITNESS THE SAME 25THING THAT I DID. OUR COMMUNITY IS PACKED FULL OF KIDS AND

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1TEENAGERS AND IT WOULD BE A DISAPPOINTMENT TO LEAVE THE-- TO 2SEE SOMEBODY LEAVE THE BAR UNDER THE INFLUENCE AND HIT ONE OF 3THE KIDS WALKING AROUND BECAUSE WE DO WALK AROUND. THIS IS A 4PLACE THAT WE CAN WALK AROUND IN AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 5PEOPLE AND WITH THE BAR THERE, WE WOULD HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 6THAT AND WORRY ABOUT SOMEBODY HITTING A KID WALKING AROUND, 7AND THAT WOULD BE A GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT BECAUSE IN ANTELOPE 8BAKER, EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY, AND IT WOULD IMPACT 9EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY, AND CACTUS INN IS ALSO CLOSE TO 10THE ANTELOPE ACRES COMMUNITY CENTER AND THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN 11AN IMPORTANT PLACE FOR OUR LOCAL YOUTH. AND AT THE COMMUNITY 12CENTER, THE KIDS GO AND PLAY AND ALL THE 4-H MEETINGS ARE HELD 13THERE SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK, WHICH INCLUDES EVERYTHING FROM 4-H 14CAMPOUTS TO TAKING OUR ANIMALS DOWN TO WORK AS A GROUP. AND IT 15WOULD NOT BE A GOOD ENVIRONMENT FOR KIDS TO BE AROUND THE 16ADULTS DRINKING THERE AND THE LOUD NOISES WILL SCARE THE 17ANIMALS. SO IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED IF YOU CONSIDERED 18WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WOULD TURN INTO IF THE BAR IS GRANTED A 19PERMIT. THANK YOU. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ASK WIL NIEVES TO JOIN US, PLEASE. WIL. 22

23EMILY THOMPSON: HELLO. MY NAME IS EMILY THOMPSON AND I'M THE 242009 MISS ANTELOPE ACRES. AS YOU KNOW, THE CACTUS WAS REMOVED 25FROM THE RESIDENCE IN PALMDALE, CALIFORNIA. THE ANTELOPE ACRES

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1DOES NOT WISH TO HAVE A BAR IN IT. WE ARE A COMMUNITY NOT 2OPPOSED TO A FAMILY FRIENDLY RESTAURANT WITH CONTROLLED 3BUSINESS HOURS AND SERVING ALCOHOL. A STRUCTURED TIME FOR 4SERVING ALCOHOL WOULD ENSURE A FAMILY FRIENDLY RESTAURANT IN 5OUR COMMUNITY. MANY CHILDREN'S BUS STOPS WHERE THEY WALK HOME 6ARE NEARBY. THE ANTELOPE ACRES COMMUNITY CENTER IS A PLACE 7WHERE WE HAVE MANY EVENTS A WEEK, WHERE CHILDREN ARE PRESENT. 8A BAR CLOSE TO THIS OR ANY ESTABLISHMENT WHERE CHILDREN ARE 9CLOSE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO TURN ANY EVENT THERE INTO A 10POSSIBLY HAZARDOUS SITUATION, WITH THE LIVES OF PEOPLE IN OUR 11COMMUNITY ARE AT RISK. AS I SAID EARLIER, THE COMMUNITY WOULD 12WELCOME THE IDEA OF A FAMILY RESTAURANT. WE ARE OPPOSED TO THE 13PATRONS OF THE CACTUS INN FORMERLY ATTRACTED. IT IS OF GREAT 14IMPORTANCE THAT EVERYONE REALIZES THE COMMUNITY IS NOT AGAINST 15THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO DRINK. INSTEAD WE ARE AGAINST THE 16POTENTIAL THREAT OF LIFE TO THE CHILDREN OF THE ANTELOPE 17ACRES. THIS COMMUNITY DOES NOT WISH TO HAVE PEOPLE COME OUT TO 18THE ACRES TO DRINK, THEN HAVING TO DRIVE BACK THROUGH IT TO 19GET TO THEIR HOMES. IF THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, WE WILL 20REQUEST ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AND ROUTINE POLICE TO 21HELP PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. IN THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC 22ADMINISTRATION, IMPAIRED DRIVING IN THE UNITED STATES SAYS 23EVERY YEAR IN THE U.S., APPROXIMATELY 40 PERCENT OF FATAL 24TRAFFIC CRASHES INVOLVE ALCOHOL. ESTIMATES SHOW THE SOCIETAL 25COST OF DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE COME TO $1 PER DRINK WITH

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1PEOPLE OTHER THAN THE DRINKING DRIVER PAYING THOSE COSTS. 2THANK YOU. 3

6DAWN WARD: MY NAME IS DAWN WARD. I'M THE TREASURER OF THE 7ANTELOPE ACRES COMMUNITY CENTER. I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT 8THE COMMUNITY CENTER STANDS BY ITS ORIGINAL REQUEST OF DENIAL 9OF THE C.U.P. FOR THE CACTUS INN BAR AND GRILL DUE TO THE 10NEGATIVE IMPACTS THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY BELIEVE THIS 11ESTABLISHMENT WILL HAVE IN OUR SMALL RURAL COMMUNITY, SUCH AS 12INCREASED TRAFFIC FROM NONRESIDENTS, ALCOHOL BEING SERVED 13DURING AND NEAR BUS STOPS, INCREASED NOISE, INCREASE OF CRIME 14AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE OVERALL NEGATIVE INFLUENCE TO OUR 15YOUTH THAT REGULARLY USE OUR COMMUNITY CENTER. PLEASE UPHOLD 16THE ORIGINAL DECISION OF DENIAL OF THE C.U.P. FOR THE CACTUS 17INN. THANK YOU. 18

19WIL NIEVES: MY NAME IS WIL NIEVES. IT APPEARS FROM THE RECORD 20THAT THERE'S SOME CONFUSION AS TO WHAT TYPE OF APPLICATION 21THIS IS. A LOT OF THE PEOPLE HERE HAVE STATED THAT THIS IS A 22BAR. I'VE ALSO LOOKED AT THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THE WAY IN 23WHICH THE APPLICATION WAS PRESENTED AND ORIGINALLY THEY DID 24HAVE CLOSING HOUR AT 2:00 P.M.-- I'M SORRY, 2:00 A.M. IN THE 25MORNING AND THEY HAD A POOL TABLE AS WELL, SO THOSE ARE

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1ACTUALLY FACTORS THAT PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER TO BE A BAR. I'VE 2SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT AND HE HAS ELECTED TO VOLUNTEER SOME 3MODIFICATIONS OF CONDITIONS IF THE BOARD WAS SO INCLINED TO 4APPROVE THIS PROJECT, SO IN THE SPIRIT OF RECONCILIATION, HE 5HAS PROPOSED, IF POSSIBLE, TO RESTRICT HIS HOURS FROM 6:00 6A.M. IN THE MORNING UNTIL 9:00 P.M. AT NIGHT SUNDAY THROUGH 7THURSDAY, AND TO HAVE AN 11 P.M. CLOSING TIME ON FRIDAY AND 8SATURDAY. BEER AND WINE SERVICE WILL NEVER START PRIOR TO 911:00 A.M. IN THE MORNING. NOW, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS 10PARTICULAR APPLICANT HAS HAD PREVIOUS LOCATION FOR 16 YEARS, 11HAS A 41 LICENSE AT THAT LOCATION, HAS NEVER HAD ANY 12VIOLATIONS. HE HAS NO CRIMINAL RECORD, HAS NEVER HAD ANY 13PROBLEMS AT THAT LOCATION. HE HAS AFFILIATIONS WITH A LOT OF 14THE CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS, THAT I'VE STATED PREVIOUSLY TO 15YOU. THIS IS NOT A HIGH CRIME AREA. THIS IS PARTICULAR 16ESTABLISHMENT USED TO BE A RESTAURANT HISTORICALLY AND IT HAD 17A CHANGE OF USE TO A TORTILLA-MAKING MANUFACTURING BUSINESS 18AND IT'S CHANGING BACK TO A RESTAURANT AGAIN. FOR SOME REASON, 19THEY'VE ASSOCIATED THIS PARTICULAR ESTABLISHMENT WITH SOME 20NEGATIVE INFLUENCES, LIKE A BIKER HANGOUT AND THINGS LIKE 21THAT, AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE. WITH RESTRICTIVE CONTROLS, 22WITH A ONE-YEAR PLAN REVIEW TO BRING IT BACK, THE ELIMINATION 23OF THE POOL TABLE, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY PROBLEM HERE. I ALSO 24HAVE A PETITION THAT'S BEEN SIGNED BY 255 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN 25THE AREA. I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONFUSION IN REGARDS

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1TO WHETHER THIS IS ACTUALLY A BAR OR A RESTAURANT, AND I THINK 2A LOT OF THAT NEGATIVITY CAN BE THROWN OUT ONCE YOU SEE THAT 3WE VOLUNTEERED CONDITIONS FOR THE HOURS TO RESTRICT AS WELL AS 4THE FACT THAT WE'VE ELIMINATED THE POOL TABLE AS WELL. 5

6SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. THE ITEM IS BEFORE US. 7

8SUP. ANTONOVICH: MR. CHAIRMAN, LET ME ASK SOME QUESTIONS TO 9REGIONAL PLANNING. THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED IN THE AREA-- IN 10THE ANTELOPE VALLEY AREA PLAN. HOW IS IT DESIGNATED? 11

12MARK CHILD: IT'S DESIGNATED AS LOCAL SERVING, LOCALLY 13ORIENTED. THIS MEANS THE BUSINESS SERVES THE NEEDS OF THE 14RESIDENTS IN THE ZONING AREA. 15

16SUP. ANTONOVICH: DOES THE PROPOSED PROJECT MEET THE DEFINITION 17I LOCALLY ORIENTED COMMERCIAL USE? 18

19MARK CHILD: THE ANTELOPE VALLEY AREA-WIDE PLAN HAS A SPECIFIC 20AREA DESIGNATED FOR ANTELOPE ACRES, WHICH IS LOCALLY ORIENTED 21COMMERCIAL, AND THE APPLICATION DOES NOT MEET THE DEFINITION 22IN THAT SECTION OF THE PLAN. THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN THE 23INTENT IS TO DRAW CLIENTELE FROM THE WIDER AREA AND THIS IS 24SHOWN FROM THE PETITION THAT'S SIGNED BY OVER 50 PERCENT OF 25THOSE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE THE AREA. IT INCLUDES PATRONS THAT HAVE

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1VISITED THE FORMER CACTUS INN IN PALMDALE. THE APPLICANT HAS 2ADVERTISED THE NEW PREMISES IN REGIONAL PUBLICATIONS AND THE 3PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION WERE LONGER THAN IS NECESSARY FOR 4THE LOCAL POPULATION. 5

6SUP. ANTONOVICH: SO BASED UPON YOUR REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, 7IS THIS A BAR OR RESTAURANT? 8

9MARK CHILD: THE LAYOUT OF THE FACILITY IS CHARACTERISTIC OF A 10BAR. ABOUT HALF OF THE SEATING IS LOCATED AT THE BAR, AND THE 11REMAINING SMALL TABLES, SMALL ROUND TABLES, THE PROPOSED POOL 12TABLE, JUKE BOXES AND A DART BOARD AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. IT 13IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT A RESTAURANT COULD BE ESTABLISHED ON 14THIS SITE IN THIS BUILDING WITHOUT ANY NEED FOR CONDITIONAL 15USE PERMIT. A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS FOR THE SALE OF 16ALCOHOL. 17

18SUP. ANTONOVICH: SO THEY COULD ESTABLISH A RESTAURANT ON THEIR 19OWN WITHOUT ANY ACTION BY THE COUNTY. 20

21MARK CHILD: THAT'S RIGHT. 22

23SUP. ANTONOVICH: ARE THERE ANY OTHER SENSITIVE USES NEAR THE 24PROPOSED PROJECT? 25

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1MARK CHILD: YES. THE PROPOSED USE IS APPROXIMATELY 200 FEET 2FROM A PLAY FIELD, THE LOCAL COMMUNITY CENTER, THE COMMUNITY 3CENTER HAS A LARGE FIELD, BASKETBALL COURT AND HOSTS THE 4ACTIVE 4-H PROGRAM. 5

6SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND WHAT WAS THE REGIONAL PLANNING 7COMMISSION'S VOTE ON THIS PROJECT? 8

9MARK CHILD: THE REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 4-0 TO DENY 10THE APPLICATION. 11

12SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND FOR THE CENSUS TRACT IN WHICH THIS 13ESTABLISHMENT IS BEING ADJUSTED, IS THERE AN EXISTING 14OVERCONCENTRATION OF ALCOHOL LICENSES? 15

16MARK CHILD: YES, THERE IS. THE TRACT ALLOWS FOR TWO ON SALE 17LICENSES AND THERE ARE ALREADY THREE OF THIS WILL BE THE 18FOURTH LICENSE. 19

20SUP. ANTONOVICH: SO THE PROJECT IS A-- BEFORE US IS OPPOSED BY 21THE TOWN COUNCIL? 22

23MARK CHILD: YES. 24

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1SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND WAS OPPOSED BY THE REGIONAL PLANNING 2COMMISSION? 3

4MARK CHILD: YES, IT WAS. THE LOCAL TOWN COUNCIL VOTED 5-0 TO 5OPPOSE. 6

7SUP. ANTONOVICH: MR. CHAIRMAN, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL TO 8SELL BEER AND WINE AT THIS LOCATION WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE ON 9SEVERAL GROUNDS. THE APPLICANT STATED INTENT TO SOLICIT 10PATRONS FROM A LARGE REASON IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE ANTELOPE 11VALLEY AREA-WIDE PLAN DESIGNATED FOR THIS PROPERTY AND 12APPROVED BY THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THE NATURE OF THE 13PROPOSED SITE IS CONTRARY TO THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING 14RURAL COMMUNITY, THE LOCATION BEING NEAR AN EXISTING 15RECREATION CENTER USED BY THE LOCAL 4-H CLUB FOR YOUTH AND FOR 16YOUTH ATHLETIC EVENTS. THE AREA IN WHICH THE PROJECT IS 17LOCATED ALREADY HAS UNDUE CONCENTRATION OF ALCOHOLIC LICENSES. 18IN ADDITION, THERE IS A MASSIVE OPPOSITION FROM LOCAL 19RESIDENTS, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE ANTELOPE VALLEY TOWN 20COUNCIL. GIVEN THESE FACTS, REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION MADE 21THE RIGHT DECISION WHEN IT VOTED TO DENY THE APPLICANT'S 22C.U.P., SO I WOULD MOVE THAT THE BOARD CLOSING THE PUBLIC 23HEARINGS, INDICATE ITS INTENT TO DENY THE APPEAL, FILED BY THE 24APPLICANT DIRECTING COUNTY COUNSEL TO PREPARE THE FINDINGS FOR 25DENIAL, CARRYING IT BACK TO THE FUTURE BOARD.

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THIS IS TO DENY THE APPEAL. BEER AND 3WINE PIECE, OR THE WHOLE RESTAURANT? 4

5SUP. ANTONOVICH: THEY CAN DO THE RESTAURANT ON THEIR OWN, IF 6THEY WANT. THEY DON'T NEED ANY ACTION FROM THE COUNTY. 7

8SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR 9RIDLEY-THOMAS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR 10COUNTY COUNSEL? WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO BE THE ORDER. 11

12CLERK SACHI HAMAI: WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 11. THIS IS THE 13HEARING ON ANNEXATION OF 13 PARCELS TO THE CONSOLIDATED SEWER 14MAINTENANCE DISTRICT WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN CLARITA AND 15UNINCORPORATED TERRITORIES OF SANTA CLARITA, CASTAIC, 16LANCASTER, STEVENSON RANCH AND THE LEVYING OF SEWER SERVICE 17CHARGES WITHIN THE ANNEXED PARCELS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2010-11 AND 18THERE IS A DEPARTMENT STATEMENT AND NO WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE 19WAS RECEIVED. 20

21NICHOLAS AGOGBU: MY NAME IS NICHOLAS AGOGBU, AND I'M A SENIOR 22CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS. I AM 23FAMILIAR WITH THESE PROCEEDINGS FOR THE ANNEXATION TO THE 24CONSOLIDATED SEWER MAINTENANCE DISTRICT OF AND LEVYING OF 25SEWER SERVICE CHARGES FOR THE ANNEXED PARCELS IDENTIFIED IN

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1THE BOARD LETTER WHICH ARE LOCATED AT UNINCORPORATED COUNTY 2AND IN THE CITY OF SAN CLARITA. THE ______CITY HAS ITS 3CONSENT AND JURISDICTION. IN MY OPINION, ALL OF THE 13 PARCELS 4WILL BE BENEFITED BY THE ANNEXATIONS TO DISTRICT AND BY THE 5SERVICE TO BE PROVIDED. IN MY OPINION, THE SEWER CHARGED HAVE 6BEEN FAIRLY IMPOSED. 7

8SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ANYTHING FROM COUNTY 9COUNSEL? OKAY. THE ITEM'S BEFORE US. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 10MOVE THE ACTION BY SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH. CHAIR WILL SECOND. 11WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 12

13CLERK SACHI HAMAI: WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER 11. THIS IS THE 14HEARING ON AMENDMENT TO THE CASTAIC BRIDGE AND MAJOR 15THOROUGHFARE-- ITEM NUMBER 12, HEARING ON AMENDMENT TO THE 16CASTAIC BRIDGE AND MAJOR THOROUGHFARE CONSTRUCTION FEE 17DISTRICT REVISING THE BOUNDARIES, LIST OF PROJECTS AND FEES 18FOR THE CASTAIC BRIDGE AND MAJOR THOROUGHFARE CONSTRUCTION FEE 19DISTRICT IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF CASTAIC, AND THERE IS 20NO DEPARTMENT STATEMENT ON THIS MATTER AND NO WRITTEN 21CORRESPONDENCE WAS RECEIVED. 22

23SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. NO PUBLIC STATEMENT. OKAY. THE 24ITEM IS BEFORE US. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC

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1HEARING. I WILL MOVE THE ITEM. SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR 2YAROSLAVSKY. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 3

4CLERK SACHI HAMAI: THAT COMPLETES THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. 5

6SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. MR. THOMAS-- MR. RIDLEY-THOMAS, 7YOU ARE UP FIRST. I'VE HAD A REQUEST, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF 8BOARD MEMBERS HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 50, IF THEY COULD-- IS THAT 9THE BUDGET, THOUGH? IS THAT THE WHOLE BUDGET? 10

11CLERK SACHI HAMAI: BUDGET. 12

13SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEVER MIND. GO AHEAD. I 14DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN JUMP TO THAT OR NOT, BUT I'LL GET-- OKAY. 15SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS. 16

17SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASSUME THAT ADJOURNING 18MOTIONS ARE IN ORDER? IS THAT CORRECT? 19

20SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YES. 21

22SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: MAY I BEGIN WITH CLEVELAND BROWN, 23INGLEWOOD RESIDENT, PASSED ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, BORN IN PORT 24GIBSON, MISSISSIPPI IN 1944. MR. BROWN RELOCATED TO POMONA, 25CALIFORNIA, IN 1964. HE ATTEND MOUNT SAN ANTONIO COMMUNITY

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1COLLEGE AND RECEIVED AN ASSOCIATE ARTS DEGREE FROM LOS ANGELES 2TECHNICAL-- TRADE TECHNICAL COLLEGE. AFTER SERVING IN THE 3UNITED STATES ARMY, HE MARRIED HIS WIFE, SHIRLEY ANN, IN 1969, 4AND LATER BECAME A MEMBER OF THE UNION LOCAL 250 UNTIL HE 5RETIRED IN THE YEAR 2009. HE WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR HIS 6PASSION AND HIS DEDICATION TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO HIS FAMILY. 7HE LEAVES TO CHERISH HIS MEMORY HIS WIFE SHIRLEY ANN, HIS SONS 8CLEVELAND, III, AND CHRISTOPHER, DAUGHTER BARBARA, ONE 9GRANDDAUGHTER, THREE GRANDSONS, THREE BROTHERS, FOUR SISTERS 10AND A HOST OF OTHERS WHO LOVED HIM. ROSA LEE HAYNES, LIFELONG 11RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES WHO PASSED ON SEPTEMBER 12THE 12TH. BORN IN 1925, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COLLEAGUES, EARNED A 13COSMETOLOGY LICENSE FROM SANTA MONICA CITY COLLEGE. SHE WAS A 14MEMBER OF THE WEST ANGELES CHURCH OF GOD AND CHRIST FOR 21 15YEARS AND ENJOYED LONG TENURE AT SAFEWAY MARKET AND THE 16CASSANDRA 2000 HAIR SALON. SHE WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR HER 17INTEREST AND DILIGENCE IN DOCUMENTING HER FAMILY HISTORY, HER 18TALENTS AND IN DESIGNING CLOTHES FOR THEY ARE DAUGHTER'S DOLLS 19AND HER COOKING, GARDENING, THE OUTDOORS AND PLAYING CARDS. 20SHE LEAVES TO CHERISH HER MEMORY HER DAUGHTERS PAMELA AND 21KICHEKO, FIVE GRANDCHILDREN, HER SON-IN-LAW, SIX GREAT 22GRANDCHILDREN AND A HOST OF FAMILY AND FRIENDS. MR. CHAIRMAN 23AND COLLEAGUES, MARGUERITE JUSTICE, FORMER LOS ANGELES CITY 24POLICE COMMISSIONER WHO PASSED AWAY RECENTLY. MISS JUSTICE WAS 25BORN IN 1921 IN NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA, AND SETTLED IN LOS

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1ANGELES IN 1945. SHE WORKED IN SEVERAL INDUSTRIES FROM THE 2ENTERTAINMENT SPHERE TO THE POLITICAL SPHERE, SERVED AS A 3PRIVATE SECRETARY TO A SCREEN ACTRESS AND A FIELD 4REPRESENTATIVE FOR CONGRESSMAN CHARLIE WILSON. IN 1971, SHE 5WAS THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN TO BE APPOINTED TO THE 6LOS ANGELES POLICE COMMISSION. SHE WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR HER 7DEDICATION TO HER CHURCH, HER SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO 8OFFICERS OF THE LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FOR HER WARM 9AND LOVING DEMEANOR. HER MEMORY WILL BE CHERISHED BY ALL WHO 10KNEW HER AND WHO BENEFITED FROM HER SERVICE. JAMES D. 11MCKINNEY, SECOND DISTRICT RESIDENT WHO PASSED AWAY ON 12SEPTEMBER 14TH, BORN IN 1931, IN TUSCALOOSA, ALABAMA. MR. 13MCKINNEY WAS ONE OF EIGHT CHILDREN. HE RELOCATED TO THE GREAT 14STATE OF CALIFORNIA IN 1957 AFTER FOUR YEARS OF SERVICE IN THE 15UNITED STATES ARMY, AND THEN IN CALIFORNIA, HE WORKED FOR 16SEVERAL COMPANIES, ENDING HIS EMPLOYMENT WITH THE METROPOLITAN 17TRANSIT AUTHORITY DUE TO DISABILITY IN 1996. HE WAS A FAITHFUL 18MEMBER OF THE FRIENDSHIP BAPTIST CHURCH WHO SERVED-- HE SERVED 19ON SEVERAL COMMITTEES, ASSISTED IN A VARIETY OF OTHER WAYS. HE 20WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR HIS LOVE FOR ALL. HE LEAVES TO CHERISH 21HIS MEMORY HIS WIFE KELLY, HIS MOTHER LUCILLE, FOUR SISTERS, 22EVELYN, JUANITA, SUE, MARY, FIVE CHILDREN, DARRELL, TOLANDA, 23ART, WENDY AND GLYNESS, FIVE STEPCHILDREN, LEONARD, LADONNA, 24ANTHONY, CALVIN, BYRON, 39 GRANDCHILDREN AND SEVERAL SIBLINGS, 25IN-LAWS AND A HOST OF OTHERS WHO LOVED HIM. RACHEL TRAMBLE,

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1SECOND DISTRICT RESIDENT WHO PASSED AWAY ON SEPTEMBER THE 8TH 2IN INGLEWOOD, BORN IN BRYAN, TEXAS, IN 1939. SHE WAS A FUN- 3LOVING, ADVENTUROUS PERSON. SHE MAINTAINED A SHARP MIND AND 4CLEVER WIT, IN LATER YEARS LOVED TO BARBECUE AND ENJOYED 5NATURE. SHE WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR HER ENERGY AND HER SENSE OF 6HUMOR. SHE LEAVES TO CHERISH HER MEMORY HER CHILDREN ANDREA 7AND CARL, FIVE GRANDCHILDREN, THREE GREAT GRANDCHILDREN AND A 8HOST OF OTHER FAMILY AND FRIENDS. THAT CONCLUDES MY ADJOURNING 9MOTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND I THANK YOU. 10

11SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOU GOING TO CALL ANYTHING UP, OR DO YOU 12WANT ME TO MOVE FORWARD? OKAY. SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY, DO YOU 13HAVE ANY ADJOURNMENTS? 14

15SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: YES, I DO. 16

17SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE SEVERAL. 18FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD TO ADJOURN IN THE 19MEMORY OF HENRY GIBSON, LONG-TIME RESIDENT OF THE OF OUR 20DISTRICT, PROLIFIC CHARACTER AND COMIC ACTOR WHO RECENTLY 21PASSED AWAY OF CANCER IN MALIBU AT THE AGE OF 73. HENRY 22GIBSON, I THINK MOST PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER, GOT HIS EARLY START 23AS A GUEST ON JOHNNY CARSON, "THE TONIGHT SHOW," VARIOUS COMIC 24SHOWS, BUT HE BECAME BEST KNOWN FOR HIS COMIC TURNS IN THE 25LATE '60S VARIETY PROGRAM "LAUGH-IN." HE HAD A NUMBER OF

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1ROLES, QUITE A FEW ROLES DURING HIS CAREER, VERY PROLIFIC 2ACTING AND COMEDY CAREER. HE SURVIVED BY THREE SONS, JON, 3CHARLES AND JAMES, THREE SISTERS, ADELE DONAHUE, ELIZABETH 4MALLOY AND MARY LEE AND TWO GRANDCHILDREN. ASK THAT WE ADJOURN 5IN THE MEMORY OF MICHAEL ROSENTHAL, PUBLISHER AND CO-FOUNDER 6OF THE "SANTA MONICA MIRROR" WHO RECENTLY PASSED AWAY AT THE 7AGE OF 56 AFTER A LONG BATTLE WITH CANCER. RESIDENT OF THE 8PACIFIC PALISADES, HE FOUNDED THE WEEKLY LOCAL PRINT AND 9ONLINE NEWSPAPER 10 YEARS AGO. AT THE TIME HE WAS SERVING AS 10PRESIDENT OF VIDEO SECURITY SYSTEMS COMPANY STARTED BY HIS 11FATHER, BUT HE LAUNCHED THE NEWSPAPER AS AN EFFORT TO EXPLORE 12HIS WRITING AND ARTISTIC CREATIVITY. HE WAS WELL REGARDED AS A 13LEADER AND GENTLEMAN BY COMPETITORS AND COLLEAGUES ALIKE. AND 14HIS PUBLICATION BECAME VERY INFLUENTIAL AND IS VERY 15INFLUENTIAL TO THIS DAY. HE IS SURVIVED BY HIS WIFE LAURIE AND 16HIS SON DYLAN. LAST I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD TO ADJOURN 17IN THE MEMORY OF MARY TRAVERS, ONE-THIRD OF THE LEGENDARY '60S 18FOLK TRIO, PETER, PAUL AND MARY, WHO RECENTLY PASSED AWAY AT 19THE AGE OF 72, AFTER A LONG BATTLE WITH LEUKEMIA. AMONG HER 20MANY HITS INCLUDING "BLOWING IN THE WIND", "IF I HAD A 21HAMMER", "PUFF THE MAGIC DRAGON", "LEMON TREE", "I DIG ROCK N' 22ROLL MUSIC", AND "LEAVING ON A JET PLANE", AMONG MANY OTHERS. 23BORN IN LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY, MARY TRAVERS' FAMILY MOVED TO 24NEW YORK WHEN SHE WAS TWO. HER PARENTS, BOTH WRITERS, 25ENCOURAGED HER INTEREST IN MUSIC AND HER PROFESSIONAL CAREER

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1BEGAN SINGING BACKUP ON RECORDS BY PETE SEGER IN THE MID 21950S. PETER, PAUL AND MARY CAME TOGETHER IN THE EARLY 1960S 3AS A FOLK SUPERGROUP AND FOUND INSTANT SUCCESS WITH THEIR 4FIRST ALBUM IN 1962, RELEASED THE SAME YEAR THAT BOB DYLAN 5MADE HIS DEBUT TOUCHING OFF A FOLK MUSIC BOOM THAT SWEPT THE 6WORLD. SHE IS SURVIVED BY HER FOURTH HUSBAND, ETHAN ROBBINS, 7TWO DAUGHTERS, ERICA MARSHALL AND ALICIA TRAVERS, A SISTER ANN 8GORDON AND TWO GRANDCHILDREN. THOSE ARE MY ADJOURNING MOTIONS. 9

10SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I'M GOING TO-- ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR 11ADJOURNMENTS? MIKE, I'M GOING TO HOLD OUR ADJOURNMENTS. I GOT 12SOME, TOO, TO GET TO A COUPLE OF ITEMS HERE. WE'VE GOT A LOT 13OF PEOPLE HERE ON THE BUDGET, AND WE CAN MOVE THOSE OTHER 14ITEMS RELATIVELY QUICKLY. FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WE GET TO THE 15BUDGET, I WOULD CALL ITEM 25. COULD WE HAVE THE C.E.O., OUR 16STAFF. BACK TO BUSINESS HERE NOW. OKAY. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 1725. A FEW PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED UP. DAVE GILLOTTE AND ARNOLD 18SACHS. OKAY. MR. GILLOTTE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO FIRST. 19

20DAVE GILLOTTE GOOD MORNING. FOR THE RECORD, I'M DAVE GILLOTTE, 21AND I'M PRESIDENT OF LOS ANGELES COUNTY FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 221014, BUT I SPEAK TODAY WITH A DIFFERENT HAT AND THAT IS A 23MEMBER OF THE HEALTH AND THAT IS AS A MEMBER OF THE HEALTH AND 24WELFARE TRUST. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO THE C.E.O.'S OFFICE, 25SPECIFICALLY MR. FUJIOKA, MR. LYONS FOR THEIR DILIGENCE IN

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1MEETING WITH ME ON ALL OF THE RESPECTIVE UNDERSTANDINGS AND 2ISSUES AND DISCUSSING THOSE WITH ME SO WE COULD COME WAKE UP A 3RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE ALL PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PLAN 4EXCEPT FOR THE DENTAL ITEMS, AND I OFFER UP A COUPLE OF PIECES 5THAT WOULD CLEAR THAT UP AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST TO 6THE BOARD THAT SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION AS FOLLOWS, THE EXACT 7MOTION, YOU WROTE BUT CHANGED THE WORD "EXCLUSIVE" TO 8"INCLUSIVE OF THE DENTAL BENEFITS" WITH THE NOTE THAT THERE'S 9AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVAL 10APPLIES TO THE ACTIVES ONLY AND IS EXCLUSIVE OF RETIREES AND 11THEREFORE ANY LIABILITIES FOR THOSE RETIREES, AND ON THAT 12POINT, WE ARE A SELF-FUNDED INDEMNITY HEALTH PLAN, MANAGED AND 13RUN BY NERISSA TRUST, WE SET OUR BENEFIT LEVELS AND OPTIONS 14COMPLETELY DEPENDENT UPON THE FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE 15HEALTH OF THE PLAN. THE DENTAL BENEFITS WE PROPOSED ARE FAIRLY 16SIMPLE AND AUGMENT MEANT THE COUNTY'S SPONSORED DENTAL PLANS 17AND IN FACT, OUR MEMBERS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN 18THE COUNTY DENTAL PLANS. WE SEEK NOT TO CARVE OUT. AS FAR AS 19COMPELLING NEED GOES, WE SEEK TO IMPROVE THESE BENEFITS BY 20STUDIED EXPERIENCE OF OUR MEMBERSHIP AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO 21NOTE THAT THAT MEMBERSHIP, WE HAVE 3,200 MEMBERS. ONLY 1,200 22MEMBERS DON'T HAVE OUR PLAN, AND TO BE HONEST, EVEN IF I SENT 23A LIMOUSINE, CHOCOLATES AND FLOWERS TO THOSE 1,200 OTHER 24MEMBERS, I'M NEVER GOING TO GET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THOSE 25MEMBERS IN MY PLAN. THESE BENEFITS WILL NOT AFFECT ANY

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1UNFUNDED LIABILITIES FOR COUNTY FOR THE RETIREES IN THAT THESE 2BENEFITS ARE FUNDED 100 PERCENT, SOLELY, BY THE PLAN AND, IN 3FACT, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THESE BENEFITS WILL BE THERE 4IN FUTURE YEARS. I HAVE TO EVALUATE THAT AS WE'VE DONE IN THE 5PAST WITH THINGS LIKE IN VITRO FERTILIZATION BENEFITS AND 6PRESCRIPTION DRUG BENEFITS FOR MY MEMBERS. SOME OF THOSE HAVE 7COME AND GONE, AND BASED ON EXPERIENCE, THAT'S HOW WE MANAGE 8THE PLAN. IN CONCLUSION, I SEEK A MOTION TO APPROVE, AS I HAVE 9RECOMMENDED, AND THIS IS ALSO IDENTIFIED THAT WE NEED TO MOVE 10THIS PROCESS UP EARLIER AND I PLAN TO BE THE LEAD WITH REGARD 11TO THE LABOR ORGANIZATIONS AND WORK WITH MANAGEMENT TO TRY TO 12GET A CALENDAR THAT BRINGS THESE DISCUSSIONS MUCH SOONER THAN 13SO CLOSE IN PROXIMITY TO OCTOBER 1ST OR 31ST FOR CHOICES. SO 14THIS IS A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY AT THIS POINT TODAY, A SHARED 15LIABILITY. I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT TO YOU MY RECOMMENDATIONS ON 16THE ISSUE. THANK YOU. 17

18>>SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. 19

20SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: MR. CHAIRMAN-- 21

22SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: HANG ON. YOU'RE INDICATING WITH THAT 23DENTAL BENEFIT THAT THE UNION TRUST FUND PAYS FOR THAT 24ADDITIONAL COST? 25

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1DAVID GILLOTTE: THAT'S CORRECT, 100 PERCENT SELF-FUNDED AND 2MANAGED. 3

4SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH THAT CLARIFICATION TO 5THE EXTENT THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH 6THE C.E.O., I WOULD SO MOVE. 7

8SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WE'LL GET A COMMENT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE 9MR. SACHS. 10

11ARNOLD SACHS: THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. ARNOLD SACHS. GOING 12OUT ON A LIMB A LITTLE BIT. THE CITY OF L.A. RECENTLY CHANGED 13PARTIALLY THEIR LIVING WAGE ORDINANCE TO COVER AN INCREASE FOR 14WORKERS ONLY AT THE AIRPORT, AND SO I READ IN HERE THAT YOU 15HAVE A SIGN-UP PERIOD FOR UNREPRESENTED EMPLOYEES AND UNDER 16REPRESENTED EMPLOYEES-- 17

18SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: HAPPENS EVERY YEAR. 19

20ARNOLD SACHS: EVERY YEAR. THAT'S FINE. I ALSO KNOW THAT THE 21COUNTY HAS A LIVING WAGE ORDINANCE FOR SOME COMPANIES THAT 22BASICALLY ALLOWS THEM TO ELIMINATE HEALTHCARE COVERAGE IN LIEU 23OF PAYING THEIR EMPLOYEES MORE MONEY. I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO 24HOW RIDICULOUS THAT IS IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT SINCE THE 25COUNTY HAS A PLAN THAT IT SPONSORS, ARE THOSE COMPANIES THAT

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1FALL UNDER THE LIVING WAGE ORDINANCE, DO THEY GET TO SUBMIT 2THEIR EMPLOYEES TO THIS-- BE UNDERWRITTEN BY THE COUNTY'S 3PLAN? 4

5SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: NO. 6

7ARNOLD SACHS: NO. DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 8

11ARNOLD SACHS: THANK YOU. 12

13SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ALL RIGHT. YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON MR. 14GILLOTTE'S TESTIMONY AND THE MOTION BEFORE US? 15

16C.E.O. FUJIOKA: WHEN THIS ITEM CAME TO YOUR BOARD LAST WEEK, 17AND I TALKED TO A NUMBER OF YOUR OFFICES, OUR PRINCIPAL 18CONCERN WAS WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD IMPACT RETIREES, BECAUSE 19AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THERE'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT 20THE 1014 WOULD PAY FOR THAT UNFUNDED LIABILITY. THAT LIABILITY 21OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. TODAY, DAVID HAS COME TO THE BOARD, 22INTO OUR OFFICES STATING THAT THIS BENEFIT WILL NOT BE 23PROVIDED TO RETIREES, SO IT HAS ADDRESSED OUR PRINCIPAL 24CONCERN. 25

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEN WITH THAT, ITEM 225-- OKAY. SUPERVISOR MOLINA? 3

4SUP. MOLINA: TO BE SURE I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THIS, NUMBER 5ONE, WHY ARE WE APPROVING IT? WHY IS IT A REQUIREMENT FOR US 6TO APPROVE THIS IF THEY NEGOTIATE THIS AND PAY FOR THIS? WHY 7ARE WE INVOLVED IN APPROVING IT? 8

9C.E.O. FUJIOKA: OVERALL BECAUSE IT'S PART OF OUR BENEFITS 10STRUCTURE, AND WHATEVER IS APPROVED, IT HAS-- WHETHER OR NOT 11IT'S PAID BY IN THIS INSTANCE 1014, IT WOULD STILL HAVE AN 12IMPACT ON OUR BENEFIT STRUCTURE. WE WERE CONCERNED, WE HAD 13SERIOUS CONCERNS THAT THIS BENEFIT WOULD BE EXTENDED TO 14RETIREES. 15

16SUP. MOLINA: NOW YOU HAVE GOTTEN THAT CLARIFICATION, WHY DO WE 17NEED TO DO IT NOW? 18

19C.E.O. FUJIOKA: BECAUSE OF THE OPEN ENROLLMENT PERIOD IS 20COMING UP SOON. 21

22SUP. MOLINA: ALL RIGHT. BUT IF, IN FACT, THEY'VE BEEN IN 23NEGOTIATIONS FOR FIVE MONTHS, WHY WASN'T THIS PART OF THE 24NEGOTIATIONS? 25

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1DAVID GILLOTTE: MAY I? THIS IS NOT PART OF NEGOTIATIONS. 2

3SUP. MOLINA: WHY NOT? 4

5DAVID GILLOTTE: BECAUSE NEGOTIATIONS DEALS WITH THE AMOUNT OF 6MONEYS THAT ARE FUNDED FOR THE PLANS IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT YOU 7DO IN THE MINUTE CHANGES YOU MAKE IN YOUR PLANS 8ADMINISTRATIVELY THAT WE DO ALL YEAR LONG. THIS IS ABOUT 9SETTING BENEFIT LEVELS WITHIN YOUR HEALTH PLAN, KAISER, CIGNA, 10THE UNION HEALTH PLANS. WE DO THAT ALL YEAR LONG AND REALLY 11THE CALENDAR IS DIFFERENT, IT DEALS WITH LACERA, IT DEALS WITH 12THE COUNTY. WE SHOULD BE DOING IT AROUND JULY. 13

14SUP. MOLINA: I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHY IS IT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO 15DO THIS, ISN'T LIKE A PROPOSAL. HERE'S MY CONCERN, AND I DON'T 16EVEN KNOW IF I SHOULD BE CONCERNED. AGAIN, I JUST HEARD ABOUT 17THIS. I THINK YOU CALLED OR OFFICE THIS WEEK. I DON'T 18UNDERSTAND. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE LABOR 19UNIONS MAKE A PROPOSAL TO US THAT WE GOTTEN DON'T GET TO 20REVIEW OR UNDERSTAND ITS IMPLICATIONS. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING 21ABOUT THE RETIREE HEALTH, BUT I KNOW IF I WERE A RETIREE AND I 22DON'T GET THAT BENEFIT AND THE REST OF THE UNION MEMBERS GET 23IT, I'D LIKE TO FILE A LAWSUIT AND SAY, WHY AM I NOT ENTITLED? 24THERE MIGHT BE A COURT THAT MIGHT AGREE. 25

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1C.E.O. FUJIOKA: WE'VE ALWAYS MADE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN 2BENEFITS PROVIDED-- 3

4SUP. MOLINA: I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE POINT IS, I DON'T KNOW ANY 5OF THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES HERE, AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND 6WHY THERE ISN'T A PROCESS, IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT. I 7MEAN, EVEN WHEN WE HAVE BOARD ITEMS OF ANY TYPE, WE'VE ASKED 8UNDER THE NEW RULES, AT LEAST HAVE TWO WEEKS HEADS UP SO THAT 9WE HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING. 10

11C.E.O. FUJIOKA: THIS ISSUE WAS ADDRESSED IN A REPORT THAT WAS 12RELEASED TO THE BOARD I WANT TO SAY ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND OUR 13REPORT IDENTIFIED THIS ISSUE, AND WITH THAT OUR OPPOSITION 14BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT ON RETIREES. I BELIEVE EVEN THE BOARD 15AGENDA ITEMS SPOKE TO THE CONCERN THAT WE WOULD APPROVE IT 16WITH THE WHOLE BENEFIT REQUEST OR PROPOSAL WITH THE EXCEPTION 17OF 1014'S REQUEST BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT ON RETIREES. 18

19SUP. MOLINA: SO WHAT ARE THE OTHER BENEFITS REQUESTED THE 20UNION HAS MET? 21

22C.E.O. FUJIOKA: OF? YOU KNOW, THE REPORT OF 1014 OR THE REPORT 23IN GENERAL? 24

25SUP. MOLINA: THE REPORT IN GENERAL.

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2C.E.O. FUJIOKA: THE REPORT IN GENERAL SPEAKS TO THE RATE 3INCREASE. 4

5SUP. MOLINA: NO, I UNDERSTAND THE RATE INCREASE. I REMEMBER 6READING THAT, BUT WHAT OTHER ENHANCEMENTS HAVE THE UNIONS 7REQUESTED UNDER THESE NEW PROPOSALS? IS THAT IN THE REPORT? 8

9SPEAKER: IN THE BOARD LETTER OF SEPTEMBER 15TH, IT TALKS ABOUT 10THE VARIOUS UNION-SPONSORED PLANS AND THE RATE INCREASES. 11

12SUP. MOLINA: I KNOW. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE RATE INCREASES. 13

14SPEAKER: AND THE BENEFIT CHANGES. 15

16SUP. MOLINA: OKAY. THERE ARE BENEFIT CHANGES. 17

18SPEAKER: YES. 19

20SUP. MOLINA: SO THAT WE'RE APPROVING ALL OF THOSE AS WE 21APPROVE THIS ITEM, THERE ARE BENEFIT CHANGES THAT-- DO THEY 22CHANGE THE RATE STRUCTURE AT ALL? 23

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1SPEAKER: THEY WERE INCORPORATED WHEN THEY-- WHEN THE RATES 2WERE NEGOTIATED WITH THE VARIOUS CARRIERS AND THEY WERE 3INCLUDED AND LOOKED AT BY THE COUNTY'S CONSULTANT. 4

5SUP. MOLINA: WHY IS THIS ONE OUT OF THE SCOPE OF THAT, I GUESS 6I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT JUST 7HAPPENED? I MEAN, I WAS CERTAINLY, I MEAN, EVERYBODY WOULD 8LOVE THEIR DENTAL PLAN TO PAY FOR THEIR CHILDREN'S BRACES, I'M 9A BIG FAN OF THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW-- IS THERE A 10PROCESS THAT I'M MISSING HERE THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT? 11

12BILL LYONS: I'M BILL LYONS WITH THE C.E.O.. WE HAVE A PROCESS 13THAT WE BASICALLY FOLLOW EVERY YEAR WITH THIS LETTER, WHERE 14BENEFIT CHANGES, TWEAKS, IF YOU WILL, TO THE BENEFIT PLANS ARE 15INCLUDED IN THIS LETTER FOR BOTH COUNTY SPONSORED AND COUNTY 16APPROVED UNION SPONSORED PLANS. THESE CHANGES AFFECT THE 17PREMIUMS THAT'S INDICATED, BUT NOT COUNTY COSTS BECAUSE THEY 18ARE DETERMINED BY THE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CAFETERIA PLANS, 19WHICH ARE NEGOTIATED. 20

21SUP. MOLINA: I UNDERSTAND THAT, SO NOW MY QUESTION. ANSWER 22THAT. 23

24BILL LYONS: WELL, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHANGES STARTING ON 25PAGE 7.

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2SUP. MOLINA: AGAIN, IN THIS LETTER. WAS THIS A PART OF THAT 3LETTER? 4

5BILL LYONS: YES. 6

7SUP. MOLINA: SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD 8MADE THE REQUEST, IT WAS NOT INCLUDED AS APPROVED BECAUSE OF 9THE RETIREE COMPONENT? 10

11SPEAKER: THAT WAS A MAJOR PART OF IT. YES, THAT WAS THE 12REASON. 13

14SUP. MOLINA: SO THEY DID GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. 15

16BILL LYONS: YES. WE JUST DISAGREE WITH LOCAL 1014 ON THIS 17BECAUSE OF THE RETIREE ISSUE. 18

19SUP. MOLINA: AND SO RIGHT NOW YOU'VE AMENDED YOUR REQUEST SO 20THAT IT DOES EXCLUDE RETIREES. 21

22DAVE GILLOTTE: WITH YOUR PERMISSION, WE HAVE THE ABILITY BEING 23A SELF-FUNDED PLAN, TO DO THINGS OUTSIDE OF THE PLAN WHERE WE 24CAN PUT LINE ITEMS TOGETHER JUST LIKE THE COUNTY AND FUND 25THINGS AND DO THAT, BUT NOT WITHIN THE APPROVAL PROCESS. THE

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1OTHER THING, AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY THANKS AS WELL AS TO SOME 2UNDERSTANDING ON THIS, WE DID MEET, WE MET AND WENT OVER AND I 3HAD TO SHOW ALL OF THE FUNDING MECHANISMS ON ALL OF THIS AND 4WE DID THAT DURING THE TIME PERIOD THAT WE WERE GOING FROM 5FUNERAL TO FUNERAL TO MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR OUR FOLKS AND YOU 6WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO GRANT ME THE EXTENSION THAT IT WAS ALL 7WE COULD DO TO PULL THOSE MEETINGS TOGETHER IN BETWEEN 8PLANNING FOR EVERYTHING ELSE WE HAD GOING, AND THAT VERY MUCH 9WAS AN IMPACT TO THE PROCESS. AS I SHARED IN HERE BEFORE, 10WE'RE GOING TO I THINK TAKE A COLLABORATIVE LOOK AT MOVING 11THAT PROCESS FORWARD AND MAKING IT SO THAT IT HAPPENS MUCH 12EARLIER THAN OCTOBER 1ST, AND THE OTHER THING IS, WITH REGARD 13TO BENEFITS BEING AS PROPOSAL ITEMS, CERTAIN THINGS, THE MOST 14ILLUSTRATIVE EXAMPLE, THE HEALTH PARITY BENEFITS, WE ALL HAD 15TO COMPLY WITH THAT. THERE WAS A COST TO THAT. IT'S NOT AT MY 16HAND NOR THE COUNTY'S HAND. WE QUANTIFIED IT, GOT THE 17CONSULTANTS TO COME IN AND MADE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE 18CONTEXT OF THE LETTER AND ALL PLANS HAD TO DO THAT, SO THOSE 19THINGS COME UP AS WELL, IT'S NOT JUST THAT WE WANT TO MAKE 20BENEFIT CHANGES. 21

22SUP. MOLINA: SO THAT I UNDERSTAND CLEARLY, IT DID GO THROUGH 23THE PROCESS, IT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS AND THE ONLY OBJECTION 24THE C.E.O. HAD WITH ON THE RETIREE COMPONENT BECAUSE OF THE 25COST OR THE--

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2C.E.O. FUJIOKA: THE ANSWER IS YES. 3

4SUP. MOLINA: NOW UNDER THIS PROPOSAL, YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH 5IT AS IS. 6

7C.E.O. FUJIOKA: YES, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IT 8BENEFIT CHANGES THAT AS RELATES TO 1014, BUT ALSO LISTED IN 9OUR MEMO SPEAK TO THE UNION-SPONSORED PLAN, SO IT'S DIFFERENT. 10

11SUP. MOLINA: AND THAT PLAN, I UNDERSTAND, AS TO WHY WE ARE 12INVOLVED. I KNOW THE RATE CHANGES BUT AS FAR AS THE CONTENT OF 13THE BENEFITS, WHICH IS WHAT THEY KIND OF NEGOTIATE, AND THAT'S 14WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 15

16C.E.O. FUJIOKA: BUT I THINK IT'S STILL IMPORTANT THAT WE STAY 17INVOLVED WITH THAT AND HAVE SOME DEGREE OF CONTROL OVER IT. 18OTHERWISE WE'LL START SEEING PLANS THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT 19ON THE COUNTY SPOTS FOR COUNTY PAY PLAN. 20

21SUP. MOLINA: AND MY ONLY OTHER ISSUE ON THIS IS-- AND I DON'T 22HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MOVING THIS FORWARD, I JUST THINK THINK 23THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THE EQUITY ISSUES OF WHAT KIND OF 24PROVISIONS OF HEALTHCARE ARE PROVIDED TO VARIOUS EMPLOYEES. OF 25COURSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN-- THAT'S NOT CHANGED NO MATTER IF THIS

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1IS INCLUDED OR NOT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE, BUT I GUESS 2THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO AS TO TRYING TO CREATE A MORE EQUAL 3SYSTEM AS TO WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS 4STRUCTURE WAS SET UP. 5

6C.E.O. FUJIOKA: YOU'RE RIGHT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE UNION- 7SPONSORED PLANS, THEY USED THEIR OWN ASSETS TO PROVIDE 8BENEFITS THAT ARE SEPARATE OR DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S OFFERED TO 9THE COUNTY SPONSORED PLAN. 10

11SUP. MOLINA: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. 12

13SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: YOU SAY, MR. FUJIOKA, THAT YOU HAVE NO OTHER 14CONCERNS, AND SO THE ISSUE THAT I RECEIVED AN EMAIL ON AND A 15BUNCH OF US DID YESTERDAY IS NOT SUFFICIENT A CONCERN TO-- 16THAT'S ON THE IMPACT OF THE OTHER PLANS. 17

18C.E.O. FUJIOKA: DAVE ADDRESSED THAT SOMEWHAT, BUT AS I 19MENTIONED, OUR PRINCIPAL CONCERN WAS THE IMPACT ON THE RETIREE 20HEALTHCARE. 21

22SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: SO THE REMAINING CONCERN IS NOT SUFFICIENT. 23

24C.E.O. FUJIOKA: NO, NO. 25

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND IN FRONT 2OF US. ANY OBJECTION? SO BE THE ORDER. THANK YOU. OKAY. LET'S 3GO TO THE BUDGET. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING 4OUT HERE IN REGARDS TO THE BUDGET. AS SHE IS WALKING FORWARD, 5DEBBIE LIZZARI, THIS IS HER LAST BUDGET, SHE'S RETIRING ON 6THURSDAY AND SHE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB MOVING THIS BUDGET 7THROUGH OVER THE YEARS AND WE WANT TO WISH YOU THE VERY, VERY 8BEST IN YOUR RETIREMENT. [APPLAUSE.] 9

10SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOU LOOK A LOT MORE RELAXED THAN IN 11PREVIOUS YEARS. 12

13C.E.O. FUJIOKA: WELL, WAIT UNTIL SHE GIVES HER LAST SPEECH. 14

15DEBBIE LIZZARI: WHEN THIS BOARD MEETING IS OVER, I'LL BE A LOT 16MORE RELAXED. 17

18SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. 19WE MAY HAVE TO JUMP AROUND BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE 20SIGNED UP TO TESTIFY ON DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, IF THAT'S OKAY, 21BUT LET'S START WITH THE PRESENTATION. 22

23C.E.O. FUJIOKA: YES. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS. I WAS GOING TO 24START WITH SOME VERY, VERY GENERAL COMMENTS, GOING DOWN THE 25ITEMS AND WHEN WE HAVE SPEAKERS, WE CAN PAUSE AT THAT POINT IN

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1TIME. WHAT'S REAL IMPORTANT, AND YOU'VE DONE THAT RIGHT NOW, 2IS THE FIRST DEBBIE. DEBBIE HAS BEEN THE GOOD BUDGET SHEPHERD 3FOR THIS COUNTY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND TO A LARGE EXTENT, 4IT STARTS WITH HER ON THE C.E.O. BUDGET STAFF, BUT IT ALSO 5EXTENDS TO WHAT THIS BOARD HAS DONE AS FAR AS DEVELOPING AND 6THEN ENSURING TO A POINT WITH ABSOLUTE COMPLIANCE WITH 7FINANCIAL STANDARDS, WHY WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT FURLOUGHS RIGHT 8NOW, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY LAYOFFS RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE SOME 9IMPACTS TO OUR PROGRAMS AND SERVICES BUT PRINCIPALLY CAUSED TO 10EXTERNAL FACTORS SUCH AS WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE STATE LEVEL. 11AS IT RELATES TO WHAT WE HAVE CONTROL OF, I THINK WE ALL KNOW 12THAT THIS COUNTY IS IN SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER PLACE THAN ANY 13OTHER MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, BUT THAT'S NOT 14TO SAY THAT THE WORST IS OVER. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE STATE OF 15THE ECONOMY CONTINUES TO HAVE PROBLEMS. THEY'RE ALREADY 16TALKING ABOUT FURTHER DEFICIT IN THE RANGE OF 8 TO $10 BILLION 17THAT WE'RE VERY, VERY CONCERNED WITH WE KNOW WE HAVE TO MAKE 18SOME ADDITIONAL AND VERY TOUGH DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE. WE ALL 19RECOGNIZE THAT THIS BUDGET INCLUDES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF 20ONE-TIME MONEY TO GET US OVER SOME OF THIS-- I'LL CALL IT THIS 21ECONOMIC CRISIS. WE HAVE ONE-TIME MONEY THAT ADDRESSES SOME 22ECONOMICALLY DRIVEN DEFICITS IN OUR BUDGET, BUT WE FEEL THAT 23USE OF THAT ONE TIME MONEY IS EXTREMELY PRUDENT. YOU'LL SEE IN 24THIS BUDGET THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE CONTINUE WITH THE 25HIRING FREEZE AND A BOARD ORDER FREEZE ON SERVICES AND

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1SUPPLIES. EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET RIGHT NOW, WE 2FEEL THAT IS AN EXTREMELY PRUDENT ACTION THAT WE MUST TAKE 3RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE STATE BUDGET AND 4ALSO UNTIL WE SEE THAT OUR REVENUES BOUNCE BACK. WHEN IT COMES 5TO PROPERTY TAX, SALES TAX AND OTHER GENERAL FUND REVENUES, 6WE'VE SEEN A HISTORIC DROP UNLIKE WE'VE SEEN FOR MANY, MANY 7YEARS. IN THIS BUDGET, WE'VE HAD SOME DECISIONS THAT ARE 8DIFFICULT FOR YOU, BUT THE ONE THING THAT I'D EMPHASIZE, THE 9DIFFICULT DECISIONS MAY STILL COME IF THE ECONOMY CONTINUES TO 10GET WORSE. THE ONE THING I'VE ASKED THAT WE DO IS MAINTAIN I 11THINK THE TERM I'M HEARING AROUND THIS BOARD ROOM ARE FISCAL 12PRUDENCE AND WE PROCEED VERY CAREFULLY AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND 13THAT AS WE DISCUSSED, THE SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET TODAY, WE ACT 14EXTREMELY DILIGENTLY WHEN WE CONSIDER ADDING ANY NEW 15APPROPRIATIONS OR EXPANDING EXISTING APPROPRIATIONS BECAUSE 16THAT MONEY WILL BE NEEDED AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THIS 17FISCAL YEAR AND PROBABLY INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THOSE ARE JUST 18MY GENERAL COMMENTS. I'M GOING TO HOLD BACK ON MY COMMENTS ON 19ITEM 50 BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ITEMS 2033 UP UNTIL 50, AND THEN WHEN I GET TO THAT ITEM, I'LL SPEAK 21MORE ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO AS IT RELATES TO 22SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET. WE TALKED ABOUT ITEMS 33 AND 34 BEING 23CONTINUED. ON ITEM 35, IT'S THE C.E.O. MEMO ON THE D.A. CODE 24ENFORCEMENT. I'D ASK THAT THAT BE HANDLED AS A RECEIVE AND

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1FILE. SHOULD WE HANDLE ONE ITEM AT A TIME? I'M ON ITEM 35 2RIGHT NOW. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 5

6C.E.O. FUJIOKA: I'D ASK THAT IT BE TAKEN AS A RECEIVE AND FILE 7ITEM. 8

9SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 35, CHAIR WILL MOVE 10RECEIVE AND FILE. SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR MOLINA. WITHOUT 11OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 12

13C.E.O. FUJIOKA: ON ITEM 36, WE'VE ASKED FOR THAT TO BE 14CONTINUED TWO WEEKS. 15

16SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SO ORDERED. 37, TWO WEEKS. 17

18C.E.O. FUJIOKA: 37, TWO WEEKS. ITEM 38, ON THE COMMISSION ON 19AGING AND THE A.A.A. ADVISORY COUNCIL, RECEIVE AND FILE, 20PLEASE. 21

22CLERK SACHI HAMAI: THERE ARE SOME INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD LIKE 23TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. 24

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO HOLD 2THAT SEPARATE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT. ANYTHING ELSE WE 3CAN-- 4

5C.E.O. FUJIOKA: I CAN JUST GO DOWN THE REST OF MY LIST, IF 6YOU'D LIKE, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO-- 7

8SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WHO SAID THAT? BILL WHO? WHAT DO YOU 9MEAN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS? WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH 10ALL OF THESE TO GET TO ITEM 50? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? 11

12C.E.O. FUJIOKA: YEAH. I'M GOING TO NEED YOUR APPROVAL AT LEAST 13FOR SURE ON 45 BEFORE WE GET INTO 50. 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. LET THE RECORD 16REFLECT MR. FUJIOKA MADE THAT DECISION. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 38. WE 17HAVE SEVEN SPEAKERS. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. FUJIOKA. DOMINGO 18DELGADO, BERNARD WEINTRAUB, AMOS FRIED AND MARVIN SCHACHTER 19WILL BE THE FIRST FOUR SPEAKERS. A COUPLE MINUTES EACH, 20PLEASE. GO AHEAD AND RECEIVE YOUR TESTIMONY, A COUPLE MINUTES. 21IDENTIFY YOURSELF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTY. 22WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO. 23

24MARVIN SCHACHTER: GOOD EVENING. I'M MARVIN SCHACHTER, FORMER 25PRESIDENT OF THE ADVISORY COUNCIL OF THE L.A. COUNTY AREA

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1AGENCY ON AGING WHO HAS BEEN VERY HEAVILY INVOLVED EVER SINCE 2I WAS 60, WHICH WAS 25 YEARS AGO, IN THE SENIOR COMMUNITY. I 3COME HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED COMBINATION OF THE 4ADVISORY COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION ON AGING. MY MAJOR REASON, 5THOUGH, IS TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION A VERY IMPORTANT 6EXCEPTION TO THAT AGREEMENT OF THAT PROPOSAL. THE PROPOSAL 7WOULD MERGE THE CURRENT 48-MEMBER COMMISSION ON AGING AND THE 8100 AUTHORIZED MEMBER ADVISORY COUNCIL AGENCY ON AGING. IT'S A 9GOOD PROPOSAL EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT IT DOES NOT MEET THE 10REQUIREMENTS AND THE NEEDS OF THE SENIOR COMMUNITY HERE IN LOS 11ANGELES. WHY IS THAT SO? WELL, WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY OF LOS 12ANGELES OVER A MILLION, PERHAPS A MILLION AND A HALF SENIORS. 13WE HAVE 88 CITIES AND PRACTICALLY EVERY ONE OF THESE CITIES 14HAS A COMMISSION ON AGING OF ITS OWN. WE HAVE A PUBLICLY 15SUPPORTED GROUP OF SENIOR CENTERS OF OVER 141 PLUS HUNDREDS OF 16OTHER SENIOR CITIZENS BY PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS. WE HAVE, AND 17THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT, WE HAVE 15 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS 18IN THIS COUNTY, WE HAVE 27 STATE ASSEMBLY MEMBERS IN THIS 19COUNTY, WE HAVE 14 STATE SENATORS IN THIS COUNTY. IN OTHER 20WORDS, WE HAVE A GROUP OF ABOUT 56 LEGISLATORS WHO DEAL WITH 21THE ISSUES AND WITH THE FUNDING OF THE BULK OF THE PROGRAMS 22THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTERS. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS 23OF THE WORK OF THE SENIOR ADVISORY COUNCIL HAS BEEN TO PROVIDE 24INFORMATION TO THE MEMBERS WHO MAKE THE DECISIONS ABOUT THE 25SENIOR COMMUNITY. THE PROPOSAL I MAKE IS A VERY MODEST

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1PROPOSAL. THAT IS TO MODIFY THE PROPOSAL MADE THAT, INSTEAD OF 2HAVING A COMMISSION, A NEW COMMISSION OF 50 MEMBERS, WE ADD 15 3MORE MEMBERS SO THE CUT IN THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE EXISTING 4ADVISORY COUNCIL FROM 100 WOULD BE A CUT TO BRING THAT GROUP 5DOWN TO 40 MEMBERS. IT MEANS A DIMINISHMENT OF OUR ABILITY TO 6WORK AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE VERY STRONGLY THAT THIS IS A TWO- 7WAY STREET. THE OLD AMERICANS ACT REQUIRES REPRESENTATION, BUT 8WE REQUIRE AND I THINK THE COUNTY REQUIRES THE ABILITY TO 9REACH THIS HUGE SENIOR COMMUNITY AND FOR THAT WE NEED THE 10VOLUNTARY PARTICIPATION OF SENIORS, AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE 11I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT-- 12

13SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: TIME'S UP. 14

15MARVIN SCHACHTER:-- ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY. WE'RE ALL 16VOLUNTEERS. 17

18SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WE UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK WE ALL 19UNDERSTAND THAT. NEXT? 20

21DOMINGO DELGADO: YEAH. MY NAME IS DOMINGO DELGADO, I'M CHIEF 22COMMISSIONER FOR DISTRICT ONE APPOINTED BY SUPERVISOR GLORIA 23MOLINA, AND I CONSIDER MYSELF AS A COMMISSIONER NOT ONLY 24REPRESENTING DISTRICT ONE BUT AS A COMMISSIONER REPRESENTING 25THE ENTIRE COUNTY. MY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN WE STARTED

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1INVESTIGATING OR REVIEWING THE VARIOUS COMMISSIONS WHEN THEY 2CAME TO US, THEY DIDN'T COME TO-- THEY DIDN'T INTERVIEW ANY OF 3THE COMMISSIONERS EXCEPT FOR ONE, SO I FEEL THAT WITHOUT THAT 4IMPACT OF OUR COMMISSION, I THINK THAT THE REPORT IS 5INCOMPLETE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN SERVING THE ONE MORE YEAR, I'LL 6BE SERVING THE SENIOR CITIZENS FOR 50 YEARS, AND I'VE BEEN ON 7THE A.A.A. AND ON THE COMMISSION ON AGING, AND BUT THIS 8COMBINATION IS NOT GOING TO HELP ANYTHING BECAUSE IF WE'RE 9DOING IT TO SAVE MONEY, THE COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE ANY 10BUDGET. WE GET PAID $26 EVERY TIME WE MEET AND OUT OF THOSE 11$26, WE'RE TAXED ON THAT AND THAT BECAME INCOME TAX. I PAY 12$900 ON MY PROPERTY TAX AND IN ESSENCE I'M PAYING MYSELF. THE 13BUDGET THAT HAS THE BUDGET IS THE A.A.A. BECAUSE THEY GET 14FUNDED BY THE ADMINISTRATION ON AGING IN WASHINGTON, THE STATE 15OFFICE ON AGING. IN THIS COUNTY, WE HAVE TWO A.A.A.S, LOS 16ANGELES CITY AND LOS ANGELES COUNTY. AS COMMISSIONERS, WE CAN 17SERVE THE SENIOR POPULACE OF LOS ANGELES CITY. AS A.A.A. 18MEMBERS, WE CANNOT BECAUSE THAT'S CO-MINGLING FUNDS, AND WE 19CAN'T HAVE THAT. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. THANK YOU, DOMINGO. I'M GOING TO 22ASK MAGGIE BELTON AND NATALIE AMBROSE TO JOIN US, PLEASE. 23BERNARD AND AMOS. 24

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1BERNARD WEINTRAUB: I'M BERNARD WEINTRAUB. I AM A PAST 2PRESIDENT OF THE COMMISSION ON AGING, AND I ONLY HEARD A 3COUPLE OF VERY BRIEF COMMENTS. I SAT IN ON THE TASK FORCE 4STEERING COMMITTEE WHICH GENERATED THE REPORT RECOMMENDING THE 5NUMBER 50. I FEEL THE NUMBER 50 IS AN ADEQUATE NUMBER AND I 6FEEL IT SHOULD BE AN EQUAL DIVISION BETWEEN THE COMMISSION ON 7AGING AND THE AREA AGENCY ON AGING. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT 8SKEWING THE NUMBER IN ONE DIRECTION HIGHER THAN THE OTHER AND 9I FEEL THIS WOULD CAUSE DIVISIVENESS BECAUSE THERE IS-- THERE 10HAS BEEN SOME-- NOT HOSTILITY, BUT THERE HAS BEEN SOME 11CONCERNS AMONG THE TWO GROUPS AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT 12THAT THERE WOULD BE AN EQUAL DIVISION OF REPRESENTATION ON THE 13NEW BODY. THAT IS MY PRIMARY CONCERN. I FEEL THAT PERSONALLY I 14FEEL THIS WHOLE MATTER WAS DONE HASTILY AND THAT I FEEL IT 15WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PROPER TO HAVE TAKEN A LITTLE LONGER TO 16ACCOMPLISH THIS. THANK YOU. 17

18SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. I WOULD CERTAINLY AGREE WITH 19THE EQUAL NUMBER. BARBARA SINCLAIR, IF YOU'D JOIN US. NEXT? 20

21AMOS FRIED: GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS AMOS FRIED. I'M A 22MEMBER OF THE SENIOR ENRICHMENT CENTER IN ROSITA. I'M ALSO A 23CONSTITUENT WITH ZEV YAROSLAVSKY. I'M HERE BASICALLY AS MR. 24WEINTRAUB SAID, TO SUPPORT A CONSOLIDATION PLAN AS DEVELOPED 25BY THE STEERING COMMITTEE, WHICH BASICALLY FOLLOWED UP YOUR

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1OWN ORDER SOME TIME AGO. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE NEW BODY 2BEING FORMED BY THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE L.A.C.C.O.A. AND THE 3A.A.A. ADVISORY COMES, SO, YOU KNOW, EQUAL REPRESENTATION FROM 4BOTH GROUPS. OR IF IT'S NOT, IT WILL NOT REALLY BE A 5CONSOLIDATION BUT ONE GROUP, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WILL TRY TO TAKE 6OVER THE OTHER ONE. THANK YOU. 7

10NATALIE AMBROSE: I'M NATALIE AMBROSE. I LIVE IN THE ANTELOPE 11VALLEY AND I HAVE BEEN ON THE AREA AGENCY ON AGING FOR 19 12YEARS AND THE COMMISSION FOR SIX. I THINK THE IDEA OF THE 13DEPARTMENT WANTING TO HAVE ITS WAY IN THE WAY IT HANDLES 14SENIOR AFFAIRS POLITICALLY IS A HAZARD. THE COMMISSION MUST 15REMAIN INDEPENDENT AND THE A.A.A. MUST REMAIN IN TOUCH WITH 16THE COMMUNITIES. THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY. THE COMMISSION 17SHOULD TAKE ITS WHOLE AND SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT HOW IS THE 18SENIOR COMMUNITY DOING WITHIN OUR COMMISSIONS. WE HAVE A GREAT 19CONCERN THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF SENIOR CITIZENS SEES IT MORE AS 20TIME CONSUMPTION, IT COULD BE EXPENSIVE, ET CETERA, AND I 21THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO PUT THE MEANING OF HANDLING THE 22SENIORS OF WHO ARE WE SERVING AND HOW ARE WE SERVING THEM. THE 23COMMISSION LOOKS AT THE TOTAL PATTERN, SEES WHERE THERE ARE 24NOT THINGS AND SEES POLITICALLY WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE. THE 25CENTERS SERVE LESS THAN 30 TO 40 PERCENT OF THE SENIORS IN THE

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1COUNTY AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT BE WHERE THE DEPARTMENT 2PUTS ITS ENERGIES. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE 3THAT IT'S A DEPARTMENT THAT IS NOT A POLITICAL SOURCE AND THE 4COMMISSION CAN BE A POLITICAL EMPHASIS AND LOOKING FOR WHERE 5THINGS ARE NOT BEING DONE AND THINGS ARE BEING DONE, AND I 6THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION TO 7SEE THAT VISION AND THAT WE GET PEOPLE ON THE A.A.A. THAT SEE 8THE NEED FOR PROVIDING SERVICES, AND I THINK THAT IS A 9CONTROVERSY AT THE TIME. 10

11MAGGIE BELTON: ARE YOU READY FOR THE NEXT SPEAKER? 12

13SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SURE. 14

15MAGGIE BELTON: MY NAME IS MAGGIE MARGARET BELTON, AND TO THE 16SUPERVISORS WHOM I HAVEN'T SEEN FOR A WHILE, SOME OF YOU I 17WISH TO SAY HI, AND I'M BACK AGAIN, BUT THIS TIME I WANT TO 18TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS BOTHERING ME. I LOOKED AT WHAT 19YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO, AND IT HAS A GOOD FEASIBILITY STUDY IF 20YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY. ALL OF YOU KNOW THAT THE SENIOR 21POPULATION IS GROWING. IF YOU DON'T, TAKE A LOOK IN YOUR 22MIRROR FROM LAST YEAR. WE HAVE AN INCREASED CULTURAL AND 23DIVERSITY IN L.A. COUNTY THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE. I HATE TO 24MICKEY MOUSE AROUND WITH THINGS AND NUMBERS AT THE PEOPLE THAT 25HAVE DECIDED THEY SHOULD BE. IF SOMEBODY IS LOOKING AT

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1REDEFINING AND REDEVELOPING WHAT SENIORS ARE AND WHO THEY ARE 2OF L.A. COUNTY WITHOUT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT MAYBE 3THE NUMBER COUNT, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT, MANAGING TASKS, ISN'T 4THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. I HAVE SOME REAL QUALMS ABOUT HOW THIS 5HAPPENED. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT THE FIRST TIME WHEN YOU PUT 6IT ON THE AGENDA. IS THIS TIME I DECIDED I WOULDN'T MISS IT. 7WE'RE HAVING A BIG IMPACT ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO A LARGE 8PART OF OUR CITIZENRY, SO I'M HOPING THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW 9THE NUMBERS ARE ACCOUNTED AND HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CHANGES 10AND THE CULTURES AND DIVERSITY IN L.A. COUNTY, WE WILL BE 11MOVING FORWARD IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, AND I WANT TO THANK 12ALL OF YOU FOR LISTENING TO US THIS TIME AROUND, AND YOU WON'T 13DO IT AGAIN. THANKS. 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. 16

17MAGGIE BELTON: SOME OF THESE PEOPLE KNOW ME. HEH. [LAUGHTER.] 18

19BARBARA SINCLAIR: I'M BARBARA SINCLAIR, PRESIDENT OF 20L.A.C.C.O.A.. WE WEREN'T HAPPY ABOUT THE REPORT AND I WROTE TO 21YOU AND THE C.E.O.. HOWEVER, WHEN WE WERE INFORMED THAT THE 22UNION WAS A FAIT ACCOMPLI, THEN WE DECIDED THAT OUR CONCERN 23FOR THE WELL BEING OF SENIORS WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE WERE 24REALLY GOING TO GET ON BOARD AND HAVE DONE SO. WE HAVE WORKED 25DILIGENTLY IN TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WAS A

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1POSSIBILITY. THE STEERING COMMITTEE WAS FORMED AND IT HAD 2MEMBERS FROM BOTH L.A.C.C.O.A. AND THE ADVISORY COUNCIL AND I 3WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE REALLY WORKED HARD. THERE ARE A LOT OF 4YET-TO-BE DETERMINED PORTIONS THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN DECIDED. 5I'M NOT SURE THAT WE AREN'T RUNNING THIS A LITTLE TOO FAST AND 6THAT THOSE DECISIONS MIGHT COME BACK TO YOU FOR A FUTURE LOOK, 7BUT WE'LL SEE. IN TERMS OF NUMBERS, I FIND IT IMPERATIVE THAT 8WE HAVE EQUAL DISTRIBUTION AND I WOULD URGE 50. WE STARTED 9WITH 50 AND A MEMBER OF THE ADVISORY COUNCIL ACTUALLY 10SUGGESTED 40, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS GREAT, BECAUSE IT'S VERY 11DIFFICULT TO GET A LOT OF WORK DONE WITH A VERY LARGE GROUP. 12HOWEVER, 50 I THINK WOULD WORK AND IT DID COME IN AS THE FINAL 13REPORT. I AM HOPING STRENUOUSLY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE 14CONSIDERATION TO ALLOWING THE STEERING COMMITTEE'S TRANSITION 15TEAM TO COME BACK AND CONFER WITH YOU OR THE DEPUTIES OR THE 16ADMINISTRATORS ON ISSUES THAT WE'LL HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON 17SENIORS NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GREAT, 18GREAT NUMBERS. THANK YOU. 19

20SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. THE MOTION BEFORE US IS TO 21RECEIVE AND FILE, AND IT'S COMING BACK. IS THAT CORRECT, MR. 22FUJIOKA? 23

24C.E.O. FUJIOKA: YES, SIR. 25

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I'LL MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE. SECONDED 2BY SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. OKAY. 3ITEM 39. 4

5C.E.O. FUJIOKA: ITEM 39 IS ALSO A REQUEST TO RECEIVE AND FILE, 6BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR RELATED TO THIS 7ITEM. 8

9SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE WISH TO AMEND 10THAT WHICH IS BEFORE US AND THE ITEMS ARE CIRCULATING, CO- 11AUTHORED BY BOTH THE CHAIRMAN AND MYSELF. ESSENTIALLY TO DO AS 12FOLLOWS: IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS SET FORTH IN THE 13WRITTEN REPORT TO THE BOARD DATE SEPTEMBER 22ND, WORK WITH THE 14ARTS COMMISSION TO FUND THE ARTS INTERNSHIP WITH T.A.N.F.- 15E.C.F. FUNDING AND, FINALLY, UTILIZE THE CABLE T.V. FRANCHISE 16FUND TO FULLY FUND THE ANNUAL HOLIDAY PROGRAM AND TRANSFER 369 17AND NET COUNTY COSTS PREVIOUSLY USED TO THE HOLIDAY-- TO FUND 18THE HOLIDAY CELEBRATION TO THE PROGRAM. I THINK WHAT THIS 19ESSENTIALLY SEEKS TO ACCOMPLISH IS TO TAKE THE WISDOM AND THE 20DUE DILIGENCE OF THE C.E.O.'S OFFICE AND TO RAISE THE LEVEL OF 21SUPPORT AND CONTINUITY FOR THIS INTERNSHIP PROGRAM. MR. 22CHAIRMAN, APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THOUGHT THIS 23THROUGH AND HAVE ESSENTIALLY COME TO A PLACE TO KNOW THAT THIS 24INTERNSHIP IS IMPORTANT NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF THE ADVANCEMENT 25OF THE ARTS, BUT IN TERMS OF JOBS, FOR THOSE BUDDING ARTISTS

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1AND ENTREPRENEURS WHO WISH TO SEE THE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT 2AS A FUNDAMENTAL FEATURE OF THE ECONOMY OF OUR COUNTY AND 3REGION. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A RELATIVELY MODEST AMOUNT OF MONEY 4BUT WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT THIS, THIS MODEST AMOUNT OF MONEY GOES A 5LONG, LONG WAY. ALL OF US RECEIVED THE LETTERS FROM THE 6STUDENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO WERE IN THE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM AND 7WHAT AN EXTRAORDINARY EXPERIENCE THEY HAD THROUGHOUT THE 8COUNTY PROVIDING SUPPORT AND SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY TO PROVIDE 9THE SUPPORT TO THE COMMISSION THAT IS NEEDED FOR THIS REALLY 10EXCEPTIONAL PROGRAM. THE COUNTY AND A FEW OTHER COUNTIES 11THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND BEYOND HAVE PROGRAMS COMPARABLE TO 12THIS AND I SIMPLY BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A COMPROMISE HERE THAT 13CAN PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE SUPPORT FOR IT AND I THEREFORE 14MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THIS AMENDING LANGUAGE. 15

16SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: AND I'LL SECOND IT AS LONG AS WE CLARIFY 17THAT WE ARE FUNDING THESE INTERNSHIP PROGRAMS THROUGH 18T.A.N.F.-E.C.F. FUNDING, AND WITH THAT, I SECOND IT. 19

20SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: AS INDICATED. 21

22SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: WHEN YOU SAY, TO CLARIFY, DOES THAT MEAN 23THAT IT WILL BE BECAUSE-- BECAUSE THE MOTION I HAVE IS IF IT'S 24NOT FUNDED THROUGH T.A.N.F., IT WILL BE-- YOU TAKING THAT OUT? 25

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YEAH. RIGHT THERE. 2

3SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: TAKING OUT WHAT? 4

5SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: COULD I JUST TAKE A SECOND SO I CAN LOOK AT 6IT? I MAY NOT HAVE THE LATEST VERSION. I WANTED TO READ IT. 7ITEM 3, ARE YOU TAKING ITEM 3 OUT? 8

9SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YEAH. WELL, I DON'T KNOW-- WE TOOK OUT 10SOME PARTS. 11

12SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: UTILIZING THE CABLE T.V. FRANCHISE? THEN 13ITEM 3-- IF THE INTENT IS TO DO IT THROUGH T.A.N.F. FUNDS, CAN 14YOU REMOVE ITEM 3? 15

16SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: IT'S NOT TO REMOVE ITEM 3,IT'S TO SAY THAT 17ITEM 2 IS THE FOCUS OF THE EFFORT TO STABILIZE THE INTERNSHIP 18PROGRAM AS A BACKSTOP TO THAT EFFORT AND IT'S REASONABLY CLEAR 19THAT T.A.N.F. WILL BE THE FIRST CALL, BUT GIVEN THE RELATIVELY 20SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR SUCH GOOD WORK, THIS IS A SOURCE OF 21FUNDING THAT WE DEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE OF US WHO 22SUPPORT THE ARTS AND INTERNSHIP PROGRAMS, OBVIOUSLY JOBS ARE 23ON THE LINE HERE AND IT SEEMS TO ME AND OTHERS THAT THIS IS A 24REASONABLE WAY TO PROCEED. I DO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WISDOM OF THE 25C.E.O.'S OFFICE WITH RESPECT TO T.A.N.F. RESOURCES AS A FIRST

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1CALL, BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE 2APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF CONTINUITY TO MAKE THIS GO FORWARD. 3

4SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: OKAY. CAN I-- ITEM NUMBER 3 DOES NOT SAY 5IT'S A BACKSTOP. IT SAYS UTILIZE THE CABLE T.V. FRANCHISE FUND 6TO FULLY FUND THE ANNUAL HOLIDAY PROGRAM AND TRANSFER $369,000 7IN COSTS TO THE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM. 8

9SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOU'RE CORRECT. 10

11SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: AND NUMBER ONE, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO 12IS JUST GUARANTEED THE 369,000-- THE EASIEST WAY TO DO THIS- 13THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DIRECT THE C.E.O. TO IDENTIFY 14FUNDS OTHER THAN THE CABLE FUND, BECAUSE THE CABLE FUND-- 15WHAT'S IT CALLED, THE CABLE T.V. FRANCHISE FUND IS WHAT'S 16GOING TO BE USED TO BUILD OUT THE COUNTY TELEVISION CHANNEL, 17WHICH IS BEING WORKED ON NOW, YOU HIRED STAFF, YOU GOT PEOPLE 18WORKING ON IT, AND THIS SHOULDN'T BE THE SOURCE OF THOSE 19FUNDS, SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, MARK, WITH THE-- WITH 20ANYTHING EXCEPT THE SOURCE OF THOSE FUNDS, AND WHAT I WOULD 21SUGGEST IS-- 22

23SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: 3 DOESN'T MATCH UP TO 2. 24

25SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: IT DOESN'T. THE EASIEST WAY TO DO THIS IS--

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2SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: THEN LET ME SUGGEST THE FOLLOWING, THAT WE 3AMEND OR MODIFY, THAT IS REVISE, ITEM NUMBER 3 TO ESSENTIALLY 4CLARIFY IT BEING BACKFILL OR TO BACKSTOP AND TO INSTRUCT THE 5C.E.O. TO FIND THE APPROPRIATE RESOURCES. 6

7SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: APPROPRIATE SOURCE OF FUNDING, YEAH. 8

9SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: I WOULD NOT EXCLUDE THE CABLE FRANCHISE 10FUND BUT WOULDN'T SPECIFY THAT THAT'S THE ONLY SOURCE TO WHICH 11THE C.E.O. SHOULD DIRECT HIS ATTENTION. ALL RIGHT? 12

13SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WELL, EXCEPT THAT ITEM 2 IS WHAT I 14WANTED, THAT THE POSITION FOR THE INTERNSHIP WITH T.A.N.F. 15FUNDS AND THE SECOND PART, ON ITEM 3, THEN, WE DON'T NEED TO 16REMOVE-- WE ALREADY HAVE 369 BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY COSTS FOR 17THE HOLIDAY CELEBRATION? 18

19C.E.O. FUJIOKA: WHICH WE DID, YES. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. WE'RE 22NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. YOU CAN ACTUALLY ELIMINATE 3. 23

24SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: WE ARE TRANSFERRING THE FUNDS, ARE WE NOT? 25

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1SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: NO. YOU DON'T NEED TO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO 2THE T.A.N.F. 3

4SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: THAT ASSUMES THAT YOU GET THE APPROPRIATE 5LEVEL OF FUNDING ON-- FROM T.A.N.F. 6

7SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: AND IF THEY CAN'T, THEN THEY HAVE TO 8COME BACK. 9

10SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: SO LET ME MAKE A DISCUSSION. 11

12SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: IT'S NOT UNTIL JUNE OF NEXT YEAR. 13

14SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE CAN AVOID THAT 15BY INSTRUCTING THE C.A.O. TO HAVE THE FIRST CALL BE T.A.N.F. 16AND THE BALANCE THROUGH RESOURCES THAT HE WOULD COME BACK TO 17US WITH AN APPROPRIATE SOURCE. THAT'S FINE WITH ME. 18

19C.E.O. FUJIOKA: IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, IF I CAN 20INTERJECT, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH LAURA AND HER STAFF 21THAT THE ARTS COMMISSION WOULD AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE USING THE 22T.A.N.F. FUNDS, THE FIRST TWO RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE SEPTEMBER 2322ND MEMO THAT SPEAKS TO USING THE T.A.N.F. FUNDS FOR THIS 24EXPRESS PURPOSE THAT ALL SUPPORT OF SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS'S 25MOTION. WE FEEL THAT THAT'S A REASONABLE SOURCE OF FUNDS,

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1ESPECIALLY FOR THE INDIVIDUALS WHO CURRENTLY PARTICIPATE IN 2THIS INTERNSHIP AND GIVEN THEIR-- THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THEM 3MEET THE CURRENT QUALIFICATIONS. IN THE EVENT-- 4

5SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WHY DON'T WE CHANGE 3 TO SAY IF WE'RE 6UNABLE TO USE T.A.N.F. DOLLARS TO FULLY FUND THE INTERNSHIP, 7THAT WE HAVE THE C.E.O. REPORT BACK? THAT WAY, I MEAN, YOU 8WANT TO MAKE AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO USE T.A.N.F. DOLLARS FOR 9THIS. YOU HAVE THE MONEY BEND FOR THE HOLIDAY CELEBRATION 10ALREADY, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING THERE, BUT SHOULD 11YOU BE UNABLE TO USE T.A.N.F. FOR THE FULL FUNDING OF THE 12INTERNSHIP, TO COME BACK-- WE COULD HAVE YOU REPORT BACK TO US 13WITH WHERE THOSE DOLLARS MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME FROM. 14

15C.E.O. FUJIOKA: I UNDERSTAND, AND THAT WAS OUR INTENT BECAUSE 16I BELIEVE EVERYONE RECOGNIZES THAT THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST 17CALL. IF I BELIEVE TODAY'S INTENT WAS TO ENSURE THAT IF 18THERE'S A DELTA BETWEEN WHAT WE CAN DO TO T.A.N.F., THAT WE 19IDENTIFY IT IN LIGHT OF WHAT SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY STATED, WE 20IDENTIFY AN APPROPRIATE SOURCE OF FUND AND THEN WE'LL COME 21BACK. WE'LL COME BACK FOR APPROVAL. 22

23SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: AND WE MADE A SUGGESTION AS TO WHAT THAT 24WOULD BE. MR. CHAIRMAN, THE HEAD OF THE ARTS DEPARTMENT

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1REMINDS US OF THE TIME SENSITIVITY OF THE MATTER, AND IT MAY 2BE USEFUL FOR US TO BE APPRISED OF THAT. MAY I? 3

4SPEAKER: ACTUALLY, SORRY FOR MY HOARSENESS, I'M GETTING OVER A 5COLD. ACTUALLY, THE INTERNSHIPS ARE ALL AWARDED BY JANUARY, 6FEBRUARY, SO JOB SEARCHES CAN BEGIN IN THE SPRING. OUR FEELING 7WAS IS THAT DURING THE FALL, WE COULD AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE THE 8T.A.N.F. OPTION BE IDENTIFIED WITH THE C.E.O., BUT I THINK WE 9HAVE SOME REAL QUESTIONS AS TO HOW MUCH THIS WILL WORK. ONE IS 10THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT PROGRAM IS THAT PARTICIPANTS HAVE TO 11HAVE CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 18, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE'S A 12VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF UNDERGRADUATES THAT ARE LIKELY TO FIT 13AND THEN WE ARE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH SOME THINGS IN THE 14SYSTEM THAT WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOW US TO MATCH UP THE STUDENTS 15WHO WOULD BE QUALIFIED WITH REGISTERED WORK SITES WITH THE 16ARTS ORGANIZATION WORK SITES BECAUSE IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM, 17THEY MIGHT BE REGISTERED IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, SO WE'RE 18GOING TO WORK THROUGH THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT I DON'T KNOW 19REALISTICALLY HOW MANY POSITIONS WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO 20FILL FOR THIS PROGRAM USING T.A.N.F., AND IF NOT, WE REALLY 21NEED TO ACT BY DECEMBER IN TERMS OF ARTS ORGANIZATIONS 22PROGRAMS, SO IT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU RATHER QUICKLY. 23

24SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THAT'S FINE, BUT AT LEAST WE MAKE THE 25ATTEMPT AND THAT'S THE MOTIVATION. WE'RE TRYING TO BE HELPFUL.

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2SPEAKER: AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. 3

4C.E.O. FUJIOKA: WE CAN COME BACK. IT IS SEPTEMBER. THE ARTS 5COMMISSION CAN TAKE THE NEXT 30, 45 DAYS TO AGGRESSIVELY 6PURSUE ANOTHER T.A.N.F. OPTION. I BELIEVE WHAT SUPERVISOR 7RIDLEY-THOMAS IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS TO SEND THE MESSAGE THAT 8THE FUNDING WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS EFFORT, SO WE'LL DO 9T.A.N.F. FOR 45 DAYS, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU SAY LATE NOVEMBER 10WITH A PROPOSAL. 11

12SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I SUPPORT THE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM. 13

14C.E.O. FUJIOKA: I KNOW YOU DO. 15

16SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: BUT I'M JUST SAYING YOU SHOULD BE 17AGGRESSIVE TO BE ON THE T.A.N.F. SIDE OF THAT WHICH IS WHAT 18IT'S THERE FOR, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF PROGRAMS, THEN YOU COME 19BACK AND IDENTIFY THE DOLLARS NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE 20FUND THE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM. 21

22C.E.O. FUJIOKA: I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. T.A.N.F. IS THE BEST 23SOLUTION AT THIS JUNCTURE. THEN, WE'LL COME BACK CONSISTENT 24WITH THE INTENT OF THIS MOTION, WE'LL COME BACK IN LATE

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1NOVEMBER WITH AN UPDATE ON THIS AND EITHER WE'VE DONE IT OR 2HERE'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. IF NOT, WITH 5THAT COULD-- 6

7SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: SO THE UNDERSTANDING IS? I'M SORRY? HE'S 8GOING TO REPORT BACK ON A SOURCE FUNDING? 9

10SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: AFTER THEY-- 11

12SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: BEFORE THEIR DROP DEAD DATE. 13

14SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SO THAT THEY CAN DO IT IN THE NUMBER OF 15DAYS. 16

17SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: THEN C.E.O. COMES BACK TO THE BOARD WITH 18THE APPROPRIATE SOURCES TO WHICH WE CAN APPEAL TO ENSURE 19CONTINUITY OF THE INTERNSHIP. SO MOVED. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. SECOND. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO 22ORDERED. 23

24C.E.O. FUJIOKA: MOVING ON, PLEASE, WE HAVE ITEM 40. IT'S A 25RECEIVE AND FILE. THIS IS A REQUEST THAT O.P.S. MAINTAIN THE

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1SAME LEVEL OF PARKS PATROL DURING THE SEVERAL SUMMER MONTHS, 2AND THAT'S BEEN ACHIEVED. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. RECEIVE AND FILE. MOVED BY 5SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH. 6WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 7

8C.E.O. FUJIOKA: ITEM 41, PLEASE. IT'S USING THE PARKS FEE 9INCREASE TO MAINTAIN POOL PROGRAMS. THIS IS A RECEIVE AND 10FILE. WE'VE ALREADY ACHIEVED THIS THROUGH A PRIOR BOARD 11ACTION. 12

13SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: MOVED BY SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS, 14SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH TO RECEIVE AND FILE. SO 15ORDERED. 16

17C.E.O. FUJIOKA: 42 IS INSTRUCTING US TO PURSUE LEGISLATIVE 18CHANGE BY LOWERING THE TWO-THIRDS VOTING REQUIREMENT FOR PAST 19STATE BUDGET. WE HAVE SENT THE LETTER AND WE'RE MAKING THE 20BUDGET. 21

22SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY 23SUPERVISOR THOMAS, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY. WE DO 24HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. SACHS? ARNOLD, ARE YOU STILL HERE? 25

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1ARNOLD SACHS: THANK YOU AGAIN. ARNOLD SACHS. SACRAMENTO 2ADVOCATES. BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE VOTE FOR THE ITEM 3THAT YOU BROUGHT UP LAST WEEK, SUPERVISOR MOLINA REGARDING THE 4BUILDING OF THE STADIUM, AND HOW THE HOUSE-- THE STATE-- I 5THINK IT WAS THE STATE LEGISLATION ALREADY HAD PASSED THAT 6BILL, MAYBE WE COULD PUT A FIRE UNDER THE SACRAMENTO ADVOCATES 7TO DO THE BIDDING THAT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE, BUT ALSO WHILE 8THEY'RE LOOKING INTO TWO-THIRDS VOTING PROCESS, MAYBE THEY 9COULD LOOK INTO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO ON WHILE THE 10STATE IS IN ITS LOGJAM REGARDING THE STIPENDS AND THE 11NECESSITIES THAT STATE LEGISLATORS FEEL THEY'D NEED TO HAVE 12AND THE PER DIEM THAT THEY GET AND MAYBE THEY COULD DO LIKE 13ARIZONA. I'M READING FROM AN EDITORIAL IN THE PRESS TELEGRAM 14HOW ARIZONA LEGISLATORS GET $24,000 A YEAR PLUS 25 DAYS-- $25 15A DAY FOR EXPENSES, AND IF THEY DON'T FINISH THE BUSINESS OF 16THE STATE LEGISLATION, THEY ONLY GET $10 A DAY. WE NEED TO GET 17SOME FIRE UNDER STATE LEGISLATION SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT 18THEY'RE BEHOLDEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT ELECT THEM TO OFFICE. 19MAYBE THEY CAN DO SOMETHING REGARDING THE PERKS THAT THE STATE 20LEGISLATORS GET IN ADDITION TO THE TWO-THIRDS. IF THEY CAN'T 21DO ONE, THEY SHOULD LOOK INTO DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE OTHER. 22THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE STATE LEGISLATORS AND 23OFFICIALS TAKING HOME VEHICLES FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL USE, 24MAYBE THESE THINGS SHOULD BE LOOKED INTO IN THE STATES 25SUFFERING BUDGET CUTS LIKE THEY ARE AND REDUCING -- BEING

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1REDUCED TO PAYING BY CREDIT LIKE THEY DID FOR THE THREE MONTHS 2WHERE WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO GIVE OUT I.O.U.S. THANK YOU. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE ITEM IS 5BEFORE US. MOVED AND SECONDED. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 6

7C.E.O. FUJIOKA: NEXT IS ITEM 43, PLEASE, RECEIVE AND FILE. 8

9SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: RECEIVE AND FILE BY SUPERVISOR MOLINA, 10SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO 11ORDERED. 12

13C.E.O. FUJIOKA: NEXT IS ITEM 44, PLEASE, ANOTHER RECEIVE AND 14FILE. IT'S ALREADY REPORTED ON THE SHERIFF'S PLAN TO ADDRESS 1525-MILLION-DOLLAR BUDGET PLACE HOLDER. 16

17SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN TRY TO READ THIS MOTION 18IN SUCCINCTLY, BUT THIS IS-- RELATES TO THE SHERIFF'S-- THE 19PORTION OF THIS THAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT I HOPE THE 20ABOARD HAS AN ISSUE WITH IS THE CONTRACT, THE TELEPHONE 21CONTRACT FROM THE JAILS. WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY DIRECTED THAT THIS 22THING GO OUT-- THAT THE TELEPHONE CONTRACT GO OUT TO BID. I 23THINK IT WAS GENERAL CONSENSUS HERE AT THE BOARD AND AT THE 24C.E.O.'S OFFICE THAT WE STOOD TO MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY BY 25PUTTING IT OUT TO BID THAN BY EXTENDING THE CONTRACT WHICH AT

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1THE TIME THE CONTRACT EXTENSION WAS OFFERED AT $2 MILLION FOR 2AN EXTENSION AND WE REJECTED THAT AND WE SAID GO OUT TO BID. 3FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE'RE BACK HERE AGAIN WITH A PROPOSAL FOR 4THE MADE BY THE SHERIFF AND THE C.E.O.'S OFFICE CARRYING I 5GUESS THE PACKAGE DEAL TO THE BOARD THAT THEY WENT-- I ASSUME 6THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WENT BACK TO G.T.L., THE PHONE 7COMPANY, GOT THEM TO AGREE TO AN EXTENSION OF ONE YEAR, 8EXTENSION OF $2 MILLION, AND THAT DEFERS ANY R.F.P., ANY NEW 9R.F.P. FOR AT LEAST A YEAR. THIS IS A SCANDAL. THIS DEAL IS A 10SCANDAL. I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON HERE A 11FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS THING. THIS COMPANY 12IS CHARGING MORE MONEY PER MINUTE THAN ANY OTHER TELEPHONE 13COMPANY IN ANY OTHER JAIL SYSTEM IN THE COUNTRY. THERE'S AN 14ARMY OF TELEPHONE COMPANY TYPES WHO ARE STANDING IN LINE 15WAITING TO BID ON THIS, WHO WOULD LOVE TO BID ON THIS AND 16COMPETE, AND WE ARE STANDING-- IF WE APPROVE THIS, WE WOULD BE 17STANDING IN THEIR WAY. IF WE APPROVED THIS, INCLUDING THE 18ELEMENT ON THE G.T.L. CONTRACT. THE G.T.L. CONTRACT SHOULD NOT 19BE EXTENDED. IF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE MADE 20WHOLE OF THE $2 MILLION, MY MOTION PROPOSES TO TAKE THE MONEY 21FROM THE P.F.U., MAKE THEM WHOLE, REPLENISH THE P.F.U. AFTER 22WE GO OUT TO BID. IF THE BID TURNS OUT TO PRODUCE MORE OF A 23SAVINGS, WHICH I WOULD BET MY FIRST BORN IT WILL, WITHOUT ANY 24QUESTION, SO I KNOW THERE'S A-- 25

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? 2

3SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: I HAVE A MOTION. I'LL JUST READ THE RESOLVE 4PART BECAUSE I THINK I JUST GAVE YOU THE PREAMBLE AD-LIB. I 5MOVE THAT THE C.E.O. INSTRUCTS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO 6REAFFIRM THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS DIRECTION TO IMPLEMENT THE 7C.E.O.'S RECOMMENDATION TO RELEASE AN R.F.P. FOR NEW INMATE 8TELEPHONE SERVICES CONTRACT AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE. NUMBER 9TWO, REPORT BACK IN SIX MONTHS WITH AN UPDATE ON STATUS OF THE 10R.F.P. PROCESS AND TRANSITION INTO A NEW CONTRACT AND, THREE, 11ALLOCATE $2 MILLION IN P.F.U. TO MEET THE SHERIFF'S CURTAIL 12MILITARY REQUIREMENT AS PRESCRIBED IN THE 2009 REPORT UNDER 13THIS AGENDA ITEM. NUMBER 4, REPLACE THE $2 MILLION INTO P.F.U. 14WITH REVENUES GENERATED FROM THE NEW PHONE CONTRACT IF AND 15WHEN SUCH REVENUES ARE GENERATED SO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT 16IS HELD HARMLESS AS FAR AS THE NUMBERS ARE CONCERNED. THEY CAN 17PROCEED INTO THIS-- FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR 18KNOWING THAT THIS IS THE MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE. WE REAFFIRM 19AND HOPEFULLY GET THIS R.F.P. GOING. I HOPE THIS WILL SEND 20THAT MESSAGE, AND LET'S LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY. MAY 21BE G.T.L. WILL COMPETE AND WIN, MAYBE THEY WON'T. THEY CAME IN 22HERE AT ONE TIME WANTING TO EXTEND A SOLE-SOURCE CONTRACT BY A 23NUMBER OF YEARS. AT LEAST THEY'RE TAKING IT ONE YEAR AT A TIME 24NOW. AT LEAST IT'S NOT IN JUSTICE'S BEST INTEREST. WE'RE GOING 25TO GET SUED. YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET SUED. I MEAN, I'VE

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1HAD A LAWYER A MONTH CALL ABOUT THIS THING AND THIS WEEK I'VE 2HAD SEVERAL LAWYERS CALL. THIS IS JUST AN INDEFENSIBLE KIND OF 3A CHARGE THAT WE'RE ASSESSING AGAINST THE INMATES. I'M NO FAN 4OF THE INMATES, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD USE THEM AS A 5PIGGY BANK. NO OTHER JAIL SYSTEM IN THE COUNTRY IS DOING THAT 6AND THAT'S WHY I WANT IT TO GO OUT TO BID. IF IT TURNED OUT 7$3.54 FOR THE FIRST MINUTE IS WHAT THE GOING RATE IS, SO BE 8IT, BUT WE KNOW IT'S NOT, AND WE'LL MAKE MORE MONEY. THAT'S 9THE WHOLE DARN THING. WE'LL MAKE MORE MONEY BY HAVING A LOWER 10RATE THAN WE CURRENTLY GET BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF CALLS IS 11DROPPING OFF BECAUSE FAMILIES AREN'T ACCEPTING COLLECT CALLS 12AT THESE RATES, ESPECIALLY IN THIS ECONOMY, SO THAT'S MY 13MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. MOVED AND SECONDED. 16SUPERVISOR MOLINA? 17

18VICTOR VAN PAUL: VICTOR VAN PAUL FROM THE SHERIFF'S 19DEPARTMENT. WE, IN JUNE OF 2008, WERE HERE AT THE BOARD. THE 20BOARD'S DIRECTION WAS WE WOULD NOT EXTEND THE CONTRACT BETWEEN 21DECEMBER 2010, WE'LL GO OUT TO BID IN THE LATTER PART OF 2009 22AND HAVE A NEW CONTRACT. WHEN THE BOARD ASKED ALL THE 23DEPARTMENTS TO LOOK AT THEIR EXISTING CONTRACTS IN A MOTION 24SIX OR EIGHT WEEKS AGO, WE DID THAT, AND PART OF THE CONTRACTS 25WAS WE HAD DONE NOTHING BETWEEN JUNE OF 2008 AND THE TIME THE

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1BOARD HAD THE MOTION TO DO ANY DISCUSSION WITH G.T.L. ABOUT 2EXTENSIONS, WE'RE MOVING AHEAD WITH THE PLANNING OF THE R.F.P. 3AND THE PLAN WAS TO PUT THE R.F.P. OUT. WHEN WE CAME BACK AND 4HAD THE OFFER OF THE $2 MILLION FROM G.T.L., WE RESPONDED TO 5THE C.E.O.. THIS IS ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION, C.E.O. WAS 6GOING TO ANALYZE THAT, THEY WERE GOING TO GET BACK TO US, WE 7SUBMITTED THE LETTER TO MR. FUJIOKA ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE DAYS 8AGO AND THE PLAN WAS IF IT WOULD COME FORWARD TO THE BOARD, IT 9WOULD BOTTOM PART OF THE NORMAL PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR 10AGENDA EACH WEEK FOR ANY CONTRACT EXTENSIONS. THAT WAS 11PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME TIME IN OCTOBER. WE RECOGNIZE THAT 12THE ISSUE WITH THE RATES IS OUT THERE. WE ALSO RECOGNIZE, AND 13THE SHERIFF DOES, THAT A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE 14CALENDAR IN 18 MONTHS, AND THIS WAS AN OFFER FROM A COMPANY TO 15PUT $2 MILLION INTO OUR WELFARE FUND THE DAY AFTER THE BOARD 16WOULD APPROVE THAT. IN DOING THAT, WE MADE THE DECISION TO 17BRING IT FORWARD, TO WORK WITH THE C.E.O.'S OFFICE. IT HAD 18NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUDGET RESOLUTION OF THE SHERIFF'S 19DEPARTMENT, THE 25 MILLION. I KNOW WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH, 20BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION AND I'M SURE WE'VE PROBABLY 21CONFUSED SOME OF THE BOARD OFFICES, BUT THE $2 MILLION WE 22WOULD GET FROM THE INMATE-- FOR THE INMATE WELFARE FUND ON THE 23G.T.L. HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTION BEFORE THE 24BOARD TODAY. WE HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED THE 25 MILLION. PART OF 25THAT 25 MILLION, WE MOVE 4 MILLION OUT OF THE INMATE WELFARE

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1FUND AS PART OF CLOSING THE BOOKS, AND THAT WAS ALREADY TAKEN 2CARE OF AND THE 25 MILLION IS ALREADY ADDRESSED WITH THE 3C.A.O. AND THE OFFICES HAVE BEEN BRIEFED ON THAT. THIS $2 4MILLION WOULD HAVE BEEN A-- NEW $2 MILLION WOULD HAVE COME 5BACK TO THE INMATE WELFARE FUND BUT IS COMPLETELY SEPARATED 6FROM THE ACTION THE BOARD HAS TAKEN TODAY AS FAR AS ADDRESSING 7THE SHERIFF'S 25-MILLION-DOLLAR PLAN TO AVOID ANY SERVICE CUTS 8AND LOOK INTERNALLY AS YOU DIRECTED THE CALIFORNIA TO WORK 9WITH US TWO MONTHS AGO, WHICH WE DID, AND ADDRESSED THE 25 10MILLION WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF CUTS TO FIRST LINE SERVICES. SO WE 11BROUGHT IT BACK. WE ALSO CONSIDERED KNOWING ABOUT THE ISSUE 12WITH THE BOARD AS FAR AS THE EXTENSION THAT WAS APPROVED OR 13NOT TO EXTEND IT WAS APPROVED IN JUNE OF 2008. WE ALSO CAME 14BACK AND FELT THAT IF A COMPANY WAS GOING TO OFFER THE COUNTY 15OF LOS ANGELES $2 MILLION, WE SHOULD COMMUNICATE AT LEAST TO 16THE C.A.O.'S OFFICE, HAVE SOME DISCUSSION WITH THAT, ABSENT 17SAYING, WELL, WE WON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT, AND IF IT COMES 18UP LATER, WE'LL OFFER YOU $2 MILLION IN CASH, THEN WHY DIDN'T 19YOU MENTION IT. SO WE SENT IT TO THE C.A.O.'S OFFICE, AND THEY 20MADE A DECISION WHETHER TO MOVE IT BEFORE THE BOARD. 21

22SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN JUST FOLLOW UP. 23

24SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SUPERVISOR MOLINA REQUESTED. IS THAT 25RIGHT, ALL RIGHT?

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2SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: THANKS. THE C.E.O., BACKUP MATERIAL IN THIS 3ITEM, I JUST WANT TO READ, $4 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR '08/'09 4O.T.I. FROM SPECIAL FUNDS, THIS INFORMATION HAS TO BE-- I 5WON'T READ THE WHOLE THING. $4 MILLION OUTFLOW FROM SPECIAL 6FUNDS IS PARTIALLY MITIGATED BY EXTENDING THE TELEPHONE 7CONTRACT FOR A YEAR TO BRING AN ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION INTO THE 8INMATE WELFARE FUND, SO THERE IS A NEXUS BETWEEN THIS DEAL, 9THE EXTENSION OF THE CONTRACT AND THE BUDGET. IF YOU DON'T 10NEED THE $2 MILLION, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE IT OUT. 11

12C.E.O. FUJIOKA: LET ME HELP WITH SOMETHING. WHAT YOU READ IS 13ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WHEN WE PRESENT THE BUDGET TO YOUR BUDGET 14DEPUTIES, WE MENTIONED THAT AS PART OF THIS 4 MILLION, A 15POSSIBLE MITIGATION AS STATED IN WHAT YOU JUST READ WAS THIS 16CONTRACT. WHAT VICTOR IS SAYING TODAY IS THEY'RE GOING TO, 17TAKE THIS CONTRACT, IT'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE MATTER, BRING IT 18TO YOUR BOARD SEPARATELY. THE $4 MILLION TAKEN FROM THE 19INMATE'S WELFARE FUND AS PART OF THE 25 MILLION WILL STAND, 20AND SO AS A SEPARATE ACTION, THE BOARD CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR 21NOT TO APPROVE THIS TELEPHONE EXTENSION. 22

23SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: SO LET ME GET-- BETWEEN JUNE 2008 AND THE 24PRESENT, WHAT STEPS DID THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TAKE TO 25PREPARE TO GO OUT TO AN R.F.P. ON THIS CONTRACT?

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2SPEAKER: OUR CONTRACTS UNIT HAS BEEN AWARE OF THIS FOR THE 3PAST YEAR, IT IS ON THEIR PLANNING. THE PLAN WAS TO HAVE AN 4R.F.P. ON THE STREET BEFORE THE END OF 2009 FOR-- BECAUSE THE 5TIME LINE-- 6

7SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: RIGHT. SO IT'S ALMOST OCTOBER OF 2009. WE'RE 8A WEEK AWAY FROM OCTOBER. HOW CLOSE WERE YOU TO HAVING THE 9R.F.P. OUT ON THE STREET? 10

11VICTOR RAMPULLA: IF THIS HAD NOT BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE PAST 12FEW WEEKS, OUR PLAN WAS TO HAVE THE R.F.P. ON THE STREET 13PROBABLY AT THE END OF 2009, NO LATER THAN EARLY JANUARY 2010 14BECAUSE WE KNEW WE NEEDED AT LEAST NINE MONTHS TO GET IT 15BEFORE THE BOARD. 16

17SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: SO YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN STILL MEET THAT 18BECAUSE IT'S ONLY BEEN A FEW WEEKS. 19

20VICTOR RAMPULLA: YES, BECAUSE IT'S ONLY COME UP IN THE LAST 21FEW WEEKS. 22

23SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: WHAT IS THE TOTAL VALUE OF THIS CONTRACT? 24WHAT IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THIS CONTRACT, THE G.T.L. 25CONTRACT?

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2VICTOR RAMPULLA: IT GENERATED ABOUT 14 MILLION A YEAR, THEN WE 3SPLIT THAT BETWEEN 52 PERCENT 4

5SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: WHAT IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF MONEY GENERATED 6ON THE CONTRACT? 7

8SPEAKER: 14 MILLION. NO, NO, NO. 9

10SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: HOW MUCH MONEY IS GENERATED BY THE CONTRACT, 11BY THE TELEPHONE CALLS? NOT DO THEY MAKE. HOW MUCH MONEY IS-- 12WHAT'S THE GROSS VALUE OF THE CONTRACT? IT'S NOT 14 MILLION. 13IT'S 50 OR 60 MILLION, IS IT NOT? THE TOTAL REVENUES-- I'M 14TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRACT FOR THIS. 15

16SPEAKER: IT'S SPLIT. 17

18SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: SO YOU DON'T KNOW AND I DON'T KNOW, SO LET'S 19JUST DROP IT. SOMETIMES WE ACTUALLY ASK QUESTIONS WE DON'T 20KNOW THE ANSWERS TO. MOSTLY WE GET AN ANSWER. MR. CHAIRMAN, I 21WOULD-- I BELIEVE THAT TIME IS WASTING, WE SHOULDN'T WAIT ANY 22LONGER, WE SHOULD HAVE THEM GO OUT TO BID, FINISH THE R.F.P. 23AND IF AS YOU SAY THE R.F.P., FOR THE G.T.L. CONTRACT HAS 24NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS BUDGET ITEM, THEN YOU SHOULD BE GOING 25FULL SPEED AHEAD TO GET THE R.F.P. DONE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO

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1REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THE BOARD WAS GOING TO EXTEND THIS, 2THIS CONTRACT, SO LET'S JUST GET GOING WITH THE R.F.P. AND, AS 3WE HAD ASKED THAT BY THE END OF 2009, JANUARY 2010, BE DONE 4WITH IT AND SOMETIMES WE'LL KNOW WHETHER WE HAD A GOOD DEAL OR 5A BAD DEAL. THAT'S WHAT THIS MOTION IS INTENDED TO DO. 6

7VICTOR RAMPULLA: IT WAS JUST THE LAST TWO WEEKS, WE WAITED TO 8SEE WHAT THE BOARD ACTION WAS GOING TO BE ON THIS. 9

10SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SUPERVISOR MOLINA? 11

12SUP. MOLINA: ALL RIGHT. LET'S GET SOME CLARIFICATION. ARE YOUR 13TELLING ME AT THIS TIME THAT YOU HAVE HELD UP THE R.F.P.? AT 14THIS POINT IN TIME? 15

16VICTOR RAMPULLA: THE R.F.P. IS NOT COMPLETE, BUT-- 17

18SUP. MOLINA: WAIT. THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION. WE KNOW IT'S 19NOT COMPLETE. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, HAS THAT MOTION THAT SAID 20LOOK AT ALL OF YOUR CONTRACTS, DID THAT STOP THE PROCESS OF 21THE R.F.P.? 22

23VICTOR RAMPULLA: NO, IT DOESN'T. 24

25SUP. MOLINA: SO YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD.

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2VICTOR RAMPULLA: YES, WE ARE. 3

4SUP. MOLINA: IT WAS SCHEDULED TO BE RELEASED IN DECEMBER. 5

6VICTOR RAMPULLA: MY PLAN IS TO HAVE IT OUT IN DECEMBER. WE'LL 7KNOW PROBABLY IN ABOUT 30 DAYS IF NOTHING CHANGES AS FAR AS-- 8

9SUP. MOLINA: WELL, WAIT. NOTHING IS CHANGING YET. NOTHING IS 10CHANGING. 11

12VICTOR RAMPULLA: AND WE WOULD KNOW BY MID OCTOBER, BUT I 13BELIEVE NOW THAT WE'LL HAVE THE R.F.P. ON THE STREET BY THE 14END OF DECEMBER 2009. 15

16SUP. MOLINA: BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ACTION OF THIS BOARD. THAT 17WAS DETERMINED. IN OCTOBER, WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO 18REVIEW NOT THE POTENTIAL OF THIS CONTRACT, BUT ALL THE OTHER 19CONTRACTS THAT WOULD ASK FOR AN EXTENSION AND THAT WE WOULD 20PROVIDE US SAVINGS. CORRECT? SO THAT IS A SEPARATE ITEM. NOW, 21THERE IS NOTHING-- I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THERE IS 22NOTHING THAT IN ANY ACTION FROM THAT MOTION THAT WE'RE GOING 23TO HEAR THE OUTCOME IN OCTOBER THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE AS FAR 24AS THE ACTION THAT THIS BOARD HAS ALREADY TAKEN DEMANDING THAT 25THE SHERIFF ISSUE THE R.F.P.. IT'S A TWO-YEAR PROCESS. WE KNOW

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1HOW THESE THINGS CAN GET DELAYED, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE IS 2NOTHING. I JUST WANT YOU TO TELL ME THAT. I DON'T WANT YOU TO 3COME BACK IN OCTOBER AND NOW TELL ME THAT THERE IS A DELAY. 4

5VICTOR RAMPULLA: AS OF NOW, THERE'S NO DELAY. WE WOULD HAVE 6THAT ON THE STREET AT THE END OF DECEMBER. 7

8SUP. MOLINA: THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS STOPPING IT. 9

10VICTOR RAMPULLA: BUT I WILL HAVE A REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD BY 11MID OCTOBER TO ASSURE THAT THAT PROGRESS IS CONTINUING. 12

13SUP. MOLINA: ALL RIGHT. SO THAT THE REPORT BACK, THE SECOND 14ITEM IN SIX MONTHS WITH AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS, YOU SAID YOU 15HAVE A REPORT. 16

17VICTOR RAMPULLA: I THINK THAT WAS ASSUMING THAT THE R.F.P. WAS 18RELEASED. 19

20SUP. MOLINA: NO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO 21UNDERSTAND. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A REPORT AVAILABLE AS TO WHAT 22THE STATUS OF THE R.F.P. IS. 23

24VICTOR RAMPULLA: THE STATUS OF THE R.F.P. DEVELOPMENT IS. 25

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1SUP. MOLINA: WHEN? 2

3VICTOR RAMPULLA: WE CAN HAVE THAT IN MID OCTOBER, AS SOON AS 4WE FIND OUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE R.F.P.. 5

6SUP. MOLINA: AND SO AS FAR AS IF THE R.F.P. IS ISSUED OR 7DETERMINED TO BE ISSUED AT THAT TIME, I TAKE IT THAT WITHIN 8SIX MONTHS, I MEAN, WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE A REQUEST THAT IN 9SIX MONTHS YOU TELL US WHAT THE STATUS OF THE R.F.P. IS. 10RIGHT? 11

12VICTOR RAMPULLA: ABSOLUTELY. IF THE R.F.P. DOES GO OUT, WE 13NEED ENOUGH TIME TO DO ALL THE EVALUATIONS, ALL THE 14COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE C.E.O. AND YOUR OFFICES AND NOT RUN UP 15AGAINST THE DEADLINE OF DECEMBER. 16

17SUP. MOLINA: WELL, EXCUSE ME. MY ASSUMPTION IS, CORRECT ME AND 18CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, THAT WHEN THE BOARD ASKS YOU TO DO 19THE R.F.P., AND YOU SAID IT WOULD TAKE TWO YEARS, THAT YOU 20WORK BACKWARDS FROM THE DATE THAT WE WANTED IT DONE, SO THAT 21THERE IS NOTHING RIGHT NOW THAT IS STOPPING IT FROM MOVING 22FORWARD TO ISSUE AND TO PROCURE A NEW CONTRACT UNDER THE 23R.F.P. PROCESS. 24

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1VICTOR RAMPULLA: NOTHING, SUPERVISOR, IS STOPPING US FROM 2MOVING FORWARD. 3

4SUP. MOLINA: BECAUSE I KEEP HEARING A LITTLE BIT OF 5RESERVATION AND I WANT TO JUST GET THIS CLARIFICATION. NOW, ON 6THE $2 MILLION, LET ME UNDERSTAND THE MONEY BECAUSE I THINK WE 7NEED THAT CLARIFICATION. UNDER THE $25 MILLION PROPOSAL THAT 8THE SHERIFF HAD TO MITIGATE, AND I APPRECIATE THE SHERIFF 9DOING IT, I WAS A LITTLE TOUGH ON HIM THE LAST TIME, SO YOU 10MIGHT LET HIM KNOW THAT I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT HE DID 11HERE, BECAUSE HE DID ADDRESS THIS WISH. ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. 12THE 2 MILLION CAME OUT OF THE INMATE WELFARE FUND. 13

14C.E.O. FUJIOKA: A TOTAL OF $4 MILLION CAME FROM THE INMATE 15WELFARE FUND. WE SHARED INFORMATION WITH EACH OF YOUR-- 16

17SUP. MOLINA: AGAIN. IT'S 4 MILLION. 18

19C.E.O. FUJIOKA: IT WAS 4 MILLION. 20

21SUP. MOLINA: AND THAT OPTION HAS BEEN TAKEN. 22

23C.E.O. FUJIOKA: THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN. 24

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1SUP. MOLINA: THERE ANYTHING IN THIS BUDGET ITEM AS IS THAT 2SOMEHOW INTERPRET THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE MADE UP IN ANY WAY? 3

4C.E.O. FUJIOKA: NO. 5

6SUP. MOLINA: NOTHING. AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO GET TO 7THE BOTTOM LINE OF IT. THERE IS A NOTATION SOMEWHERE THAT IT 8WAS TO BE MITIGATED, AND I JUST WANT THAT CLARIFICATION THAT 9WAS AN INTENT, BUT UNDER THIS PROPOSAL OF THE $25 MILLION 10SOLUTION, THAT IS NOT THE INTENT HERE. THE 4 MILLION TO 11RESOLVE THE 25 MILLION WILL BE TAKEN BY THE INMATE FUND. NOW, 12WE DON'T CONTROL THIS FUND. THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON WHO DOES 13THAT, AND THAT'S THE SHERIFF HIMSELF. I GUESS WE'VE MADE 14REQUESTS IN THE PAST AND SOMETIMES THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN, 15SO IS IT CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD BY THE SHERIFF AND HIS BUDGET 16PEOPLE THAT 4 MILLION HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM THE INMATE WELFARE 17FUND TO RESOLVE THE 25 MILLION AND THAT THERE IS NO INTENT 18THAT THIS BOARD IS TO REPLENISH THAT AMOUNT? 19

20VICTOR RAMPULLA: THE $4 MILLION WAS TRANSFERRED FROM THE 21INMATE WELFARE FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND PRIOR TO THE CLOSE OF 22BOOKS, SO IT SHOWED UP AS A GENERAL FUND DOLLARS AMOUNTS. 23

24SUP. MOLINA: SO IT'S BEEN TO BE DONE. 25

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1VICTOR RAMPULLA: IT'S BEEN DONE, SUPERVISOR. 2

3SUP. MOLINA: IS THERE ANY INTENT UNDER THIS BUDGET PROPOSAL 4THAT IS BEFORE US TODAY THAT INTENDS TO REPLENISH 4 MILLION OR 5ANY PART OF THE 4 MILLION BACK INTO-- 6

7VICTOR RAMPULLA: NO. NOTHING. 8

9SUP. MOLINA: THAT CLARIFICATION IS IMPORTANT. SO THEN THE LAST 10ITEM ON HERE THAT I WANT A CLARIFICATION IS-- WELL, IT'S THE 11REPLACEMENT OF THE 2 MILLION TO THE P.F.U. WE DIDN'T TAKE IT 12OUT OF THE P.F.U. RIGHT? WE TOOK IT OUT OF THE INMATE WELFARE 13FUND. 14

15C.E.O. FUJIOKA: GIVEN WHAT WAS CLARIFIED TODAY, THAT $2 16MILLION IS NO LONGER NECESSARY. OUR OFFICE ADDED TO THE 17CONFUSION-- 18

19SUP. MOLINA: BECAUSE OF THE OCTOBER PROPOSAL. THERE'S NO 20OFFSET ON THAT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ANY OF THAT ACTION, IT 21IS NOT ASSUMED IN THIS BUDGET PROPOSAL. 22

23C.E.O. FUJIOKA: IT IS NOT ASSUMED IN IT. WHEN WE FIRST COUPLED 24THE TELEPHONE, THE POTENTIAL TELEPHONE EXTENSION WITH THAT 25POTENTIAL FOR $2 MILLION SAVINGS, THAT ADDED TO THE CONFUSION

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1WITH THE SHERIFF'S STAFF HAS DONE TODAY IS DECOUPLED THAT, AND 2SO THAT THE TELEPHONE CONTRACT WILL COME IN TOTALLY SEPARATE, 3IT WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE $4 MILLION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN 4TRANSFERRED FROM THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET TO THE GENERAL FUND. 5FOUR MILLION IS HERE, IT'S PART OF THE $25 MILLION, THE 6TELEPHONE CONTRACT ISSUE, OTHER THAN WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH THE 7R.F.P. ON THE TELEPHONE CONTRACT ISSUE, THAT THAT EXTENSION 8PROPOSAL AT THIS TIME IS OFF THE TABLE, IT'S NOT-- 9

10SUP. MOLINA: WAIT. YOU CAN'T SAY THAT. YOU CAN'T SAY THAT 11BECAUSE-- 12

13SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: WHAT'S OFF THE TABLE? 14

15SUP. MOLINA: BECAUSE THE OPTION OF THEM BRINGING IT TO US IS 16AVAILABLE TO THEM, BUT THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CLARIFY. 17

18C.E.O. FUJIOKA: I'M SAYING TODAY, TODAY, THE TELEPHONE 19EXTENSION, AND WITH THAT THE POTENTIAL OF $2 MILLION IS NOT ON 20THE TABLE. THEY'VE TOLD YOU VERY CLEARLY OF THEIR INTENT TO GO 21FORWARD WITH AN R.F.P.. 22

23SUP. MOLINA: THAT'S WHAT I WANT. JUST SO THAT-- YES, THE 24R.F.P. IS GOING TO BE ISSUED, YES, IT'S GOING TO BE TIMELY, 25IT'S GOING TO BE DONE, THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS ACTION OR WHAT

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1WE ARE DOING TODAY OR IN THE OCTOBER POTENTIAL ACTION THAT IS 2GOING TO DELAY THAT R.F.P. FROM GOING OUT AS THE ACTION TAKEN 3HERE. THE OTHER ISSUE IS OF COURSE NOW THE ISSUE OF THE $2 4MILLION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY $4 MILLION THAT FIXED THE 25- 5MILLION-DOLLAR PROBLEM, WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE INMATE WELFARE 6FUND, AND THERE IS NO INTENT WHATSOEVER UNDER THIS PROPOSAL TO 7RESTORE THE $4 MILLION OR $2 MILLION TO THE INMATE WELFARE 8FUND. THOSE ARE ASSURANCES THAT THIS HAS NOT DONE IT. NOW, 9IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, AND THIS IS THE LAST CLARIFICATION I 10WANT TO MAKE, THAT THEY, LIKE EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT, HAS 11LOOKED AT THEIR CONTRACTS, AND I TAKE IT WOULD BE DISCUSSING 12IT WITH THEIR PEOPLE THAT THEY COULD ASK FOR AN EXTENSION 13UNDER I THINK THE PROPOSAL, AND I'M SURE IF ALL OF THEM IS A 14ONE MILLION, SOME OF THEM ARE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T REMEMBER 15EXACTLY, BUT THAT THERE HAS TO BE SAVINGS. IF WE EXTEND THE 16CONTRACT FOR A YEAR, TELL US WHAT THE SAVINGS ARE GOING TO BE 17AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT UNDER SEPARATE COVER, WE ARE 18GOING TO BE APPROVING THESE ITEMS. ARE ANY OF THOSE SAVINGS 19RIGHT NOW PROPOSED IN THE BUDGET? ARE THEY BUDGET SOLUTIONS? 20NONE. 21

22C.E.O. FUJIOKA: NOT AT THIS TIME. 23

24SUP. MOLINA: PARTICULARLY IN THE SHERIFFS, THERE'S NONE. SO AS 25I UNDERSTAND, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE EXERCISE

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1OF OCTOBER, BUT THERE SHOULD BE NOTHING THAT YOU SHOULD BE 2TELLING THE CONTRACTOR TODAY THAT THERE IS ANY ASSURANCE, AND 3I THINK AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE 4ALL THE WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHY AND WHEN OF THIS CONTRACT, HOW 5MUCH IS IT BRINGING IN, NOT JUST TO YOU ALL BUT TO THE 6COMPANY, AND, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY HOW IS THIS MONEY UTILIZED AND 7WHAT WOULD BE A FAIR AVERAGE PRICE. IT'S AN ONGOING DEBATE ALL 8THE TIME AND IT COMES HERE AND IT GETS-- THERE'S A LOT OF 9NUMBERS THAT FLY ALL OVER THE PLACE, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT 10AT THAT POINT IN TIME IN OCTOBER. SO I DON'T WANT TO PRECLUDE 11THEM FROM PARTICIPATING ON ANY OF YOUR CONTRACTS, BY THE WAY, 12ON THIS ISSUE, BUT I DON'T WANT ANYTHING IN TODAY'S ACTIONS 13THAT TAKES THIS MONEY INTO ACCOUNT, THAT PREVENTS THE R.F.P. 14FROM GOING OUT AS SCHEDULED AND THAT THINKS THAT ANYBODY IS 15GOING TO GET THE REPLENISHMENT IN THE WELFARE-- IN THE INMATE 16WELFARE FUND, SO THOSE ARE ALL ASSURANCES YOU'RE GIVING ME, 17I'VE SAID IT AT LEAST 62 TIMES, SO I HOPE THEY DON'T COME BACK 18IN OCTOBER AND DO SOMETHING THAT TELLS US OTHERWISE. 19

20SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY NEED A MOTION, 21BUT ELIMINATE THREE OR FOUR. 22

23SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: I THINK, IF I MAY, AGREE WITH YOUR 24SENTIMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN, AS EXPLAINED BY SUPERVISOR MOLINA. I 25THINK ALL OF US REALIZE THAT ON JUNE THE 9TH, THERE WAS A

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1MOTION THAT WAS UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED THAT ESSENTIALLY DIRECTED 2THE C.E.O. TO BRING ALL THE CONTRACT EXTENSIONS BACK TO US FOR 3A CONSIDERATION AND THE APPROPRIATE REPORT BACK IN THIS 4POSITION. I SEE NO REASON WHY WE SHOULD BREAK THIS OFF IN ANY 5WAY OR-- BUT, IN FACT, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THIS DISCUSSION 6AS WE ENGAGE IN THE DELIBERATIONS THAT WILL NECESSARILY TAKE 7PLACE IN OCTOBER. MANY OF US ARE VERY ANXIOUS TO HEAR WHAT THE 8C.E.O. HAS TO SAY ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN FULFILLED PURSUANT TO 9THE INTENT OF THAT MOTION ON THE 9TH. I SEE THIS AS BEING A 10PIECE OF THAT AND PERHAPS INSTRUCTIVE AS TO WHAT SAVINGS CAN 11BE REALIZED IN TERMS OF SMART MANAGEMENT AND THE APPROPRIATE 12INCENTIVES THAT WOULD BE PUT IN PLACE. THAT WAS UNANIMOUSLY 13ADOPTED BY THE BOARD. IT WOULD SEEM TO ME ANYTHING OTHER THAN 14THAT WOULD BE PERHAPS PREMATURE, AND SO I WOULD ASSOCIATE MY 15COMMENTS WITH THE EXPRESSIONS OF SUPERVISOR MOLINA BUT MORE TO 16POINT, WHILE THIS CONVERSATION IS ILLUMINATING, IS TO INFORM 17WHAT WE DO WHEN IT COMES BACK AS WAS PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED. 18

19SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: IN THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS. SECOND 20EXCLUSION, CONTRACTS FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS IDENTIFIED 21CONTRACTOR PERFORMANCE ISSUES WITH THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR. 22BOTH OF THOSE APPLY IN THIS CASE. THERE IS AMPLE EVIDENCE THAT 23THE C.E.O., MR. FUJIOKA HIMSELF IN 2008 WHEN THIS FIRST CAME 24UP MADE THE STATEMENT THAT THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT GOING OUT 25TO BID WILL YIELD MORE REVENUE TO US THAN THE QUINTERO

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1CONTRACT OR THE EXTENSION THAT WAS BEFORE US AT THE TIME AND A 2BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE SAID THE SAME THING. SECONDLY, THERE IS 3AN ABUNDANCE OF CONTRACTOR ISSUES WITH THIS CONTRACTOR. YOU 4KNOW IT, I KNOW IT, THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS IT. TO NOT 5ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IS MORE THAN AN OVERSIGHT, TO PUT IT MILDLY. 6YOU HAVE TWO ISSUES HERE THAT QUALIFY AS EXCLUSIONS FROM THE 7CONTRACT EXTENSION PROGRAM. THE CONTRACT EXTENSION PROGRAM WAS 8DESIGNED TO SAVE US MONEY OR MAKE US MONEY, NOT TO EXTEND 9EXISTING CONTRACTORS UNDER SOME FIG LEAF THAT THEY WERE GOING 10TO SAVE US A PITTANCE AND GET US A TWO, THREE, FOUR-YEAR 11TENSION. YOU CAN BRING IT BACK HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT. I 12WANT TO BE SURE THAT THIS THING THAT YOU ARE MOVING FORWARD 13FULL SPEED AHEAD ON THE CONTRACTING OUT TO PUT OUT AN R.F.P. 14ON THIS CONTRACT, AND YOUR TESTIMONY IS YOU ARE MOVING FORWARD 15FULL SPEED AHEAD. IS THAT CORRECT? 16

17VICTOR RAMPULLA: WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THE REQUEST FOR 18PROPOSAL. ONLY THING THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT MOVING FORWARD 19WOULD BE SOME ACTION BY THE BOARD TO TAKE-- 20

21SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE SHERIFF THIS 22MORNING THAT HE'S OPPOSED TO GOING OUT TO BID ON THIS. 23

24VICTOR RAMPULLA: HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS, THE 25RATES.

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2SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU ARTICULATED THAT 3QUITE CLEARLY. 4

5VICTOR RAMPULLA: HE FEELS THIS ISSUE WITH THE PROPOSAL FROM 6G.T.L. IS REALLY FOR A SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND HE, I THINK, 7ASSUMES IT. IN OCTOBER, HE WOULD BE OVER HERE, IF WE BRING IT 8BACK AFTER TALKING FURTHER WITH THE C.E.O., THAT HE WOULD BE 9HERE TO DISCUSS THIS, IF IT'S BROUGHT BACK BEFORE THE BOARD. 10THE R.F.P. PROCESS WILL CONTINUE. 11

12SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: AND YOU WILL BE READY TO ISSUE THE REARVIEW 13MIRROR BY DECEMBER? 14

15VICTOR RAMPULLA: OUR TARGET WAS THE END OF DECEMBER BECAUSE WE 16NEEDED A TIME FRAME TO NOT COME BACK TO THE BOARD-- 17

18SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: I THOUGHT THE TARGET WAS THE END OF THE 19YEAR. EARLY DECEMBER, YOU THINK? 20

21VICTOR RAMPULLA: WE WILL HAVE, BY MID OCTOBER, SO YOU KNOW 22WE'RE ON TRACK SO THERE WILL BE NO SURPRISES IN DECEMBER, BUT 23MOST IMPORTANT THING, IF THE R.F.P. GOES FORWARD, WE DON'T 24WANT TO COME IN HERE IN NOVEMBER, OCTOBER 2010 AND SAY, HEY, 25WE HAVE 30 DAYS TO MAKE A DECISION, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT

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1BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A TRANSITION PERIOD, IF WE HAVE A NEW 2VENDOR, IT DOESN'T DISAPPEAR AT DAY ONE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE 3WORKING TOGETHER FOR A FEW MONTHS TO GET EVERYTHING IN PLACE. 4

5SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: SO YOU ARE MAKING NO ASSUMPTIONS AS TO 6CONTRACT EXTENSIONS. 7

8VICTOR RAMPULLA: WE HAVE TO CONTINUE WITH OUR CONTRACTUAL 9PROCESS ABSENT ANYTHING-- 10

11SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: YOU ARE NOT ASSUMING THERE WILL BE AN 12TENSION OF THE CONTRACT BEYOND ITS CURRENT TERM. 13

14VICTOR RAMPULLA: NO, WE'RE NOT ASSUMING ANYTHING. WE'VE 15RESPONDED TO THE BOARD'S DIRECTION TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO 16THE CONTRACTOR, HAVE DISCUSSION WITH THE SALES OFFICE AND MAKE 17THE ASSESSMENT OF WHETHER WE BRING IT FORWARD TO THE BOARD. 18

19SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: SO MR. FUJIOKA, ONE THING I DON'T 20UNDERSTAND, HOW IS IT THAT THE IMPRESSION WAS LEFT AROUND TOWN 21THAT THIS DEAL WAS PREDICATED ON THE EXTENSION OF ONE YEAR AND 22THE $2 MILLION FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING 23DOCUMENTS THAT WERE CONTAINED IN THE WORKING DOCUMENTS IN YOUR 24SHOP? 25

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1C.E.O. FUJIOKA: IT WAS PART OF THE INITIAL DISCUSSION AND AT 2ONE POINT IN TIME, THE DEPARTMENT DECIDED TO SEPARATE THE TWO 3ISSUES AND TO DISCUSS ANY POTENTIAL EXTENSION AS A SEPARATE 4MATTER. AS VICTOR HAD MENTIONED, $4 MILLION INMATE WELFARE 5FUND IS ALREADY PART OF OUR BUDGET. IT CAME AT YEAR END, AND 6SO AS PART OF A WAY TO ADDRESS THE IMPACT OF THAT $4 MILLION 7COMING TO THE INMATE AND WELFARE FUND, AN IDEA WAS PUT ON THE 8TABLE THAT INCLUDED THE POSSIBLE EXTENSION OF THIS CONTRACT. 9SINCE THEN, AS VICTOR HAS CLEARLY STATED, THESE TWO ITEMS HAVE 10BEEN DECOUPLED. THEY ARE NOT PART-- THEY'RE NOT PART OF EACH 11OTHER'S ACTIONS, SO THE CONTRACT EXTENSION WILL BE, IF AT ALL, 12GIVEN WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY IS UNLIKELY, BUT WILL BE HANDLED 13AS A TOTALLY SEPARATE MATTER. IT DOES NOT IMPACT THE $4 14MILLION. 15

16SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: WHEN WILL IT BE DECOUPLED, VICTOR? 17

18VICTOR RAMPULLA: WHEN WE HAD OUR FIRST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE 1925 MILLION IN SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSIONS, AT THE TIME WE SETTLED 20ON THE 25 MILLION, IT WAS ALMOST THE SAME DAY WE GOT THE WORD 21FROM G.T.L. THAT THE CONTRACT EXTENSION WOULD BE FOR TWO 22MILLION, SO WHEN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WE WERE SAYING, WELL, IF 23YOU LOSE FOUR MILLION OUT OF THE INMATE WELFARE, THERE'S A 24POTENTIAL WE MAY GET TWO MILLION BACK IN, SO IT'S ONLY A NET 25TWO, SO I THINK WHAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE IT HAPPENED TOGETHER

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1SIMULTANEOUSLY, IT ALL GOT INTO ONE DISCUSSION THAT TWO 2MILLION WAS PART OF THE 25 MILLION, AND IT NEVER WAS. THIS 3HAPPENED ALMOST AT THE SAME MOMENT, SUPERVISOR. 4

5SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: YOU HAVE-- IS THE CONVERSATION THE SHERIFF'S 6DEPARTMENT HAS HAD WITH G.T.L. THE EXTENSION THE OFFER THEY 7HAVE MADE TO THE COUNTY, TO THE SHERIFF, IS THAT JUST AN 8OFFER? 9

10VICTOR RAMPULLA: NO. A CORRECTION ON THAT. THE OFFER IS $2 11MILLION FOR TWO YEARS, NOT ONE YEAR, AND IT WAS COMMUNICATED 12TO THE-- THAT'S WHAT THE OFFER WAS. 13

14C.E.O. FUJIOKA: BUT IN ANSWER TO HIS QUESTION, ONLY AN OFFER 15THAT HAS NOT BEEN AGREED TO, THERE'S NO FORMAL AGREEMENT TO 16THAT, SO THAT CONTRACT IS, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IS NOT BEING 17EXTENDED. 18

19SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: IT WAS JUST AN OFFER, RIGHT? I WANT TO MAKE 20SURE WE HAVE NO IMPLIED COMMITMENTS TO THEM. 21

22VICTOR RAMPULLA: NO. THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT ANY ACTION IN TERMS 23OF ACCEPTING THAT $TWO MILLION HAD TO BE DISCUSSED WITH THE 24C.A.O. AND HAD TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 25THEY KNEW THAT WHEN WE WENT BACK.

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2SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: THE DOCUMENT I HAD FROM THE C.E.O.S OFFICE 3SAID IT WAS ONE YEAR, THE SAME WORKING DOCUMENT, SO IT MAY 4HAVE ALSO CHANGED. 5

6VICTOR RAMPULLA: TWO YEARS ARE FOR THE RECORD. 7

8SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: I APPRECIATE THE CORRECTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, 9IN LIGHT OF THAT, I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION, AS LONG AS WE 10UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE 11PREPARED IN DECEMBER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE R.F.P.. 12

13SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I SUGGESTED THAT 30 MINUTES AGO. 14

15SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: WE DIDN'T KNOW ALL THAT 30 MINUTES AGO. 16

17SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. THE MOTION WILL BE WITHDRAWN. I 18JUST, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I WOULD ADD THAT I THINK THAT WE 19DID SEND A VERY MIXED SIGNAL IN THAT WE HAD QUITE A DISCUSSION 20ABOUT CONTRACTS AND GOING TO THE CONTRACTOR TO DO SO WHAT WE 21COULD OR COULD NOT GET FOR EXTENSIONS, SO AT LEAST IT WASN'T 22ANYTHING THEY DID ON THEIR OWN. CERTAINLY A DIRECTION OF THIS 23BOARD. 24

25C.E.O. FUJIOKA: CAN WE RECEIVE AND FILE THIS ITEM, PLEASE?

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: MOVED BY SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY, 3SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO 4ORDERED. 5

6C.E.O. FUJIOKA: NEXT IS ITEM 45. 7

8SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WE'RE FIVE AWAY FROM ITEM 50. HANG ON. 9

10C.E.O. FUJIOKA: WE'RE CLOSE. I THINK AUDITOR-CONTROLLER STAFF 11IS NOT HERE, BUT IS A REQUEST TO APPROVE THE FINAL BUDGET 12ADJUSTMENT FOR 2008/2009. 13

14SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: CAN WE DO THAT BEFORE WE GO THROUGH ALL 15THE REST? 16

17SUP. MOLINA: NO, WE CAN'T. 18

19C.E.O. FUJIOKA: YES. 20

21DEBBIE LIZZARI: YOU HAVE TO CLOSE THE BOOKS FOR LAST YEAR. 22

23C.E.O. FUJIOKA: THIS IS FOR LAST YEAR. 24

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OH, THIS IS '08/'09. WE HAVE TO CLOSE 2THE BOOKS ON THE-- 3

4C.E.O. FUJIOKA: YES. 5

6SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I WOULD MOVE THE RECOMMENDATION, 7SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO 8ORDERED. 9

10C.E.O. FUJIOKA: NEXT IT OUR ITEM 46, PLEASE, IS A 11CLASSIFICATION LETTER THAT'S ALLOCATED POSITIONS PREVIOUSLY 12APPROVED BY YOUR BOARD AND FINAL CHANGE. IT'S JUST A CLEAN-UP 13ACTION. I ASK FOR APPROVAL, PLEASE. 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. THE COST OF 16POSITIONS BEING RECOMMENDED IN THE BUDGET FOR D.P.S., HAVE A 17NET COUNTY COST OF 9 PERCENT, FOR FUTURE WORKERS' COMP, ANNUAL 18LACERA CONTRIBUTION, RETIREE HEALTHCARE. WHILE THE ITEMS ARE 19REVENUE OFFSET, THEY'RE NOT REALLY FREE. IS THAT CORRECT? 20

21C.E.O. FUJIOKA: NO. WE DO PAY A PERCENTAGE FOR ALL OF OUR 22SAVING COSTS, WHETHER IT'S POSITIONS OR REAL ESTATE OR 23ANYTHING. 24

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SO I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR IF WE COULD 2GET A BETTER HANDLE ON WHAT THAT 9 PERCENT LONG-TERM 3REPRESENTS TO US AT SOME POINT. I MEAN, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND 4MOVE ON THE ITEM, BUT THERE'S CONCERN WITH THE NEW PUBLIC 5HEALTH EMPLOYEES ITEMS THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED HERE TODAY, 6WHAT WILL THE NET COUNTY COST IMPLICATIONS BE FOR THOSE AS 7WELL? 8

9C.E.O. FUJIOKA: WE CAN SUBMIT A SEPARATE REPORT ON THAT. 10

11SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. WITH THAT, IS THERE A MOTION? 12MOVED SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS, SECONDED BY 13SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 14

15C.E.O. FUJIOKA: NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 47, IT'S A D.H.S. LETTER TO 16APPROVE THE FINAL CLOSING BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS FROM FISCAL YEAR 172008/2009. AGAIN, THIS IS FOR LAST YEAR, PLEASE. 18

19SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THIS IS FOR LAST YEAR. WE DO HAVE TWO 20SPEAKERS, JOSHUA RUTKOFF AND MARIA HERNANDEZ. ARE YOU STILL 21HERE? 22

23MARIA HERNANDEZ: GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO 24BE HERE. MY NAME IS MARIA HERNANDEZ, AND I WORK AS A STATE 25REGISTERED NURSE AT A.T.E. HEALTH CENTER. ON BEHALF OF MY

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1COLLEAGUES AND MY PATIENTS, AS WELL AS THE 8,500 MEMBERS OF 2S.E.I.U. LOCAL 721, I CALL ON YOUR BOARD TO PROTECT PUBLIC 3HEALTHCARE SERVICES AT OUR COUNTY CLINIC. MANY QUESTIONS 4PERSIST REGARDING THE PROPOSAL TO PRIVATIZE GLENDALE HEALTH 5CENTER, BUT ONE THING IS GUARANTEED. IF YOU TURN OVER THE 6CLINIC TO A PRIVATE OPERATOR, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PATIENT 7AND THE PROVIDERS WILL BE SEVERED FOREVER. MANY OF OUR 8PATIENTS ARE SENIORS AND FIRST GENERATION IMMIGRANTS. NOTHING 9IN MEDICINE IS MORE SACRED THAN THE RELATIONSHIP AND TRUST 10BETWEEN PATIENT, THE DOCTOR, NURSES AND OTHER HEALTHCARE STAFF 11WHO CARE FOR THEM. WE SHOULDN'T LET A PRIVATE BUREAUCRACY COME 12BETWEEN US AND OUR PATIENTS. YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT 13DISRUPTING OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR PATIENTS SINCE FEBRUARY. 14TODAY'S BUDGET PROVIDES FUNDING FOR THE YEAR AHEAD. WITH NO 15FISCAL COMPARATIVE TO PRIVATIZED HEALTHCARE, YOUR BOARD SHOULD 16INSTEAD FORGE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH US TO CONTINUE TO ENHANCE 17AND TO REPLICATE THE VITAL AND EXCELLENT OPERATION WE BUILT 18THERE. OUR CLINIC REPRESENTS THE KIND OF CULTURAL COMPETENT 19MODEL, MEDICAL HOME WHICH WILL BECOME THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. 20AS WE READY OURSELVES FOR A NEW ENVIRONMENT UNDER THE 21HEALTHCARE REFORM, INSTEAD OF TAKING PIECEMEAL RISK BY 22REPLACING A MODEL PUBLIC CLINIC WITH A PRIVATE-- 23

24SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. IF YOU CAN WRAP IT UP. YOUR 25TIME IS EXPIRED. OKAY?

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2MARIA HERNANDEZ: OKAY. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. OKAY. THE ITEM, THEN, IS 5BEFORE US. THIS IS FOR LAST YEAR. MOVED BY SUPERVISOR RIDLEY- 6THOMAS, SECONDED BY THE CHAIR. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 7ITEM 48. 8

9C.E.O. FUJIOKA: ITEM 48, WE PRESENTED A RECOMMENDATION AND A 10TRANSFER OF $60,205,000 TO BE ALLOCATED TO EACH BOARD OFFICE 11BASED ON THE ORIGINAL ALLOCATION OF ONGOING-- IT'S PROPOSITION 1262 FUNDS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY YOUR BOARD. 13

14SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THE ITEM IS BEFORE US. SUPERVISOR 15RIDLEY-THOMAS, YOU HAD A MOTION? 16

17SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M PLEASED TO 18BRING THIS BEFORE YOU. THE MATTER OF THE UTILITY USER TAX IS 19ONE THAT'S WELL KNOWN TO US AS IT RELATES TO IMPROVING THE 20QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF OUR RESPECTIVE 21DISTRICTS, AND TO THAT END, I WOULD MOVE THAT THE BOARD DIRECT 22THE C.E.O. TO TRANSFER $90,307,000 FROM THE DESIGNATION FOR 23LOCAL TAXES TO THE PROVISIONAL FINANCING UNIT BUDGET AND 24ALLOCATE THE FUNDS USING THE ORIGINAL PERCENT OUT ALLOCATIONS 25THAT WERE APPLIED TO THE 65 MILLION AND ONGOING FUNDS THAT

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1WERE INITIALLY ALLOCATED TO EACH SUPERVISORIAL DISTRICT IN 2FISCAL YEAR 2005 THROUGH 2006. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THAT'S ROUGHLY 50 PERCENT. IS THAT 5CORRECT? 6

7SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, MR. CHAIR. 8

9SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: MOVED AND SECONDED. 10

11C.E.O. FUJIOKA: THAT IS 50 PERCENT, BUT IF I CAN JUST 12INTERJECT SOMETHING, AND I RECOGNIZE THE NEED, I'VE DISCUSSED 13THIS WITH EACH OFFICE AND THE NEED AND WHAT THE BENEFIT IS, 14THESE FUNDS CAN PROVIDE. WE'RE AT AN UNPRECEDENTED TIME, I 15THINK, IN NOT ONLY A LOCAL ECONOMY BUT ALSO THE STATE AND 16NATIONAL ECONOMY. WE LOOKED AT THIS ISSUE VERY, VERY 17CAREFULLY, AND WE FELT THAT AT THIS JUNCTURE, ONE-THIRD WAS A 18REASONABLE AMOUNT IN LIGHT OF OUR CHALLENGES FOR-- THAT WE MAY 19FACE WITH THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR AND THAT WE LOOK AT THIS 20CAREFULLY BECAUSE THIS MAY BE -- THIS MONEY MAY BE NEEDED AS 21WE GET INTO ANOTHER DIFFICULT YEAR. 22

23SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, WE TAKE NOTE OF 24THE WISDOM OF THE C.E.O.'S OFFICE AND THAT PARTICULAR 25PERSPECTIVE. IT IS ESSENTIALLY WHY THIS 50 PERCENT RATHER THAN

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1100 PERCENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND I WOULD SO 2MOVE. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I WAS ABOUT TO ADD THE SAME POINT. 5

6SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: HE PUNCTUATES THE SAME POINT, MR. C.E.O.. 7

8SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY 9OBJECTIONS? 10

11SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: YES, I OBJECT. 12

13SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ONE "NO" VOTE, SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY. 14ITEM PASSES 4-1. OKAY. THIS IS ITEM 49, THEN WE'LL JUMP TO 51. 15THAT WAS A JOKE. THAT WAS A JOKE, OKAY? WE'LL JUST MAKE IT UP. 16OKAY? 17

18C.E.O. FUJIOKA: WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL, IT'S A LETTER FROM 19THE AUDITOR-CONTROLLER ASKING FOR BOARD APPROVAL OF A 20RESOLUTION SUPPLEMENTING THE FISCAL YEAR '09/'10 BUDGET WITH A 21FISCAL YEAR, THE PRIOR YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 2008/2009 FUND 22BALANCE. THIS MUST BE APPROVED BEFORE YOU MOVE INTO THE MAIN 23ITEM. 24

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: DEBBIE, DO WE HAVE ANY LAST WILL AND 2TESTAMENT COMMENTS? 3

4DEBBIE LIZZARI: [LAUGHTER.] I RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE IT. 5

6SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OH, IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. JUST WANTED TO 7HEAR THAT. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE ITEM IS BEFORE US. 8MOVED BY SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS, THE CHAIR WILL SECOND IT. 9WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. OKAY. ITEM 52. 10

11C.E.O. FUJIOKA: PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 12

13SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I'M KIDDING. I EVEN GOT THEM CONCERNED 14UP HERE. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP. 15HERE WE GO. WE'RE GOING TO-- YOU NEED TO SET THE STAGE, OR 16SHOULD WE JUST CALL THE SPEAKERS UP? THEY'VE WAITED A LONG 17TIME. 18

19C.E.O. FUJIOKA: YOUR CHOICE. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ALL RIGHT. I'LL CALL UP ALEX MORALES, 22WILLIAM BERTRAND, AMY JAFFE, WENDY WOLF WILL BE THE FIRST FOUR 23SPEAKERS, TWO MINUTES, IDENTIFY YOURSELF. ALL RIGHT. WHOSE 24PLACE ARE YOU TAKING? WHO-- OF THE FOUR I CALLED, WHO IS NOT 25UP HERE? OH, OKAY. YOU'RE ON THE LIST, THEN. SO WENDY GONE?

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2SYLVIA ORLANDO: YES. SHE HAD TO LEAVE. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN, JUST 5IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. 6

7SYLVIA ORLANDO: I WILL BEGIN. I'M SYLVIA ORLANDO, THE 8PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY HUMAN SERVICE 9AGENCIES WHICH REPRESENTS OVER 85 NONPROFIT CHILD WELFARE AND 10MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS IN L.A. COUNTY. I'VE BEEN IN THE FIELD 11OF CHILD WELFARE FOR 39 YEARS. I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING 12BOTH OUR COUNTY GROUP HOME AND FOSTER FAMILY AGENCIES TO 13REQUEST YOUR BOARD SUPPORT THE CONTINUANCE OF PAYMENT OF THE 14COUNTY SHARE OF FOSTER CARE RATES DESPITE THE STATE REDUCTION. 15WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO BACKFILL, PLEASE BE CLEAR, AND WE'RE 16NOT ASKING FOR NEW MONEY, WE'RE ONLY ASKING YOU TO CONTINUE 17WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING. OUR RATES HAVE BEEN FROZEN IN FOSTER 18FAMILIES FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS. WE'VE ONLY RECEIVED TWO 19INCREASES IN OUR STATE RATES FOR GROUP HOMES IN THE LAST 14. 20THAT MEANS OUR PURCHASING POWER IS NOW 25 TO 30 PERCENT LESS, 21THIS DESPITE THE FACT THAT EVERY TIME THERE'S A NEW COUNTY 22CONTRACT, THE COUNTY IMPOSES NEW UNFUNDED MANDATES. IF YOU 23DON'T CONTINUE TO FUND OUR AGENCIES, THERE WILL BE FURTHER 24REDUCTION OF GROUP HOME CAPACITY TO THE TUNE OF APPROXIMATELY 25400 AVAILABLE BEDS. YES, WE KNOW THERE'S VACANCIES RIGHT NOW,

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1BUT DID YOU KNOW THERE'S 400 YOUNG PEOPLE PLACED OUT OF 2COUNTY? AND THIS IS AGAINST THE COUNTY'S OWN PHILOSOPHY OF 3KEEPING CHILDREN CLOSE TO THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES. D.C.F.S. 4CONVINCED YOU JUST A LITTLE LESS THAT BE A YEAR AGO THAT THEY 5DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH AVAILABLE BEDS AND THEY CONVINCED YOU TO 6OPEN THE CONTRACT BIDDING PROCESS, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT. NOW 7YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE 400 BEDS AND SEVERAL FOSTER FAMILY 8AGENCIES WILL REDUCE THEIR CAPACITIES AS WELL. WE KNOW THE 9DEPARTMENT WANTS TO START NEW PROGRAMS RATHER THAN PROCEED 10WITH THAT, WE THINK THEY SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON THEIR 11FOUNDATION. THE ELIMINATION OF AVAILABLE PLACEMENT RESOURCES 12WILL NOT ONLY PUT MORE IN THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINES BUT WILL ALSO 13CAUSE THOSE OF US WHO REMAIN IN BUSINESS TO ELIMINATE CRITICAL 14SUPPORT PROGRAMS FOR OUR YOUTH, SUCH AS TUTORING, VOCATIONAL 15TRAINING, DROP PLACEMENT, FAMILY FINDING, MENTORING AND 16AFTERCARE SERVICES, ALL OF WHICH ARE FUNDED PRIVATELY NOW. WE 17WILL NEED THOSE DOLLARS JUST TO KEEP OUR DOORS OPEN. IN 18CLOSING, AND I REALIZE I'M A LITTLE OVER, IN CLOSING, LET ME 19SAY THAT WITHOUT THE COUNTY MAINTAINING THEIR SHARE OF THE 20RATES FOR THOSE VULNERABLE CHILDREN, THOSE CHILDREN WILL FACE 21EXTREME SAFETY RISKS BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE NO PLACE TO GO. 22TRAGICALLY, WE HAVE SEEN SEVERAL CHILD DEATHS IN THIS COUNTY 23OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS. I DARE SAY THAT IF OUR AGENCIES 24CANNOT PROVIDE THE NECESSARY RESOURCES FOR THOSE WHO DO, IN 25FACT, REQUIRE OUT OF HOME PLACEMENT, THIS BOARD WILL BE

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1ORDERING MORE INVESTIGATIONS. I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT OUR 2REQUEST FOR THE SAKE OF OUR CHILDREN AND YOURS AS WE KNOW THIS 3IS AN ISSUE THAT CAN BE LEGALLY DONE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY 4SPOKEN TO THE STATE AND THE AUTHOR OF THE FOSTER CARE RATES 5BILL. I WILL BE AVAILABLE LATER AFTER THE REST OF THE 6TESTIMONY FOR QUESTIONS. 7

8SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD JUST 9ASK THE OTHER SPEAKERS TO BE MINDFUL OF THE TIME. MINDFUL OF 10THE TIME YOU'RE ALLOTTED. I'M GOING TO ASK BRUCE SALTZER TO 11JOIN US. WHOEVER IS NEXT. 12

13BILL BERTRAND: I'M BILL BERTRAND, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE 14BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF YOUTH HOME AND FAMILY SERVICES, AND WHAT 15A TIME TO ASSUME THAT POSITION. I'M A FORMER HIGH SCHOOL 16PRINCIPAL WITH 32 YEARS OF ADMINISTRATIVE EXPERIENCE IN 17BURBANK, CALIFORNIA. OUR OPTIMA STORES OPENED IN 1906 AND 18TODAY WE ARE ONE OF THE LARGEST GROUP HOME PROVIDERS IN THE 19COUNTY, AND WE HAVE MANY OF THE PEOPLE ASSIGNED BY YOU. WE 20HAVE OPERATING FOSTER FAMILY AND ADOPTION AGENCY SINCE 1993. 21WE ALSO OPERATE OUR OWN HIGH SCHOOL, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES 22AND TRANSITIONAL HOUSING PROGRAMS. WE ARE NATIONALLY 23ACCREDITED BY THE ACCREDITATION COUNCIL OF AMERICA AND WE HAVE 24125 LOCAL OPTIMIST CLUBS REPRESENTING OUR MEMBERSHIP OF OVER 256,000. DUE TO INADEQUATE RATES PAID OVER THE YEARS, AS WELL AS

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1ANTICIPATION OF STATE CUTTING A PORTION OF OUR RATES COME 2OCTOBER, WE HAVE ELIMINATED FIVE FULL-TIME POSITIONS IN OUR 3AGENCY, FROZEN ALL SALARIES, CUT BECOME ON OUR SICK LEAVE AND 4IMPLEMENTED STAFF FURLOUGHS TO THE TUNE OF ONE DAY PER MONTH 5FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, ALL EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATIVE 6EMPLOYEES. LET ME TELL YOU THAT TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THE STUDY 7WAS DONE BY PRICE WATERHOUSE, AND YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE, 8COMPARING SALARIES IN OUR AGENCIES TO THOSE OF EQUIVALENT 9COUNTY STAFF, WE FELL 20 PERCENT. WE FELL 20 PERCENT AND 10NEEDLESS TO SAY, RIGHT NOW, IT'S EVEN A GREATER POSITION THAN 11THAT. WE ARE ASKING OUR STAFF TO CUT-- TO ACCEPT CUTS AND 12CONTINUE SERVING OUR CHILDREN, YOURS AND OURS, WHILE IT SEEMS 13LIKE D.C.F.S. IS NOT TAKING ANY MEASURES. I'M NOT VERY HAPPY 14ABOUT THAT. 15

16SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. CAN YOU WRAP IT 17UP VERY QUICKLY? 18

19WILLIAM BERTRAND: I'D LIKE TO JUST MENTION, WE HAVE SEVERAL 20MORE CUTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE THAT WOULD DECIMATE OUR 21OPTIMA YOUTH. I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. THIS LAST 22WEEK, I PRESENTED AN AWARD TO ONE OF OUR STUDENTS WHO HAD 23IMPROVED HIS GRADE POINT TO 4.0. HIS MOTHER WAS THERE. HE WAS 24IN TEARS. THE QUOTE HE SAID WAS, "NO ONE SAID I COULD DO 25THIS." MY PLEA TO YOU IS ASK WHAT WE WANT YOU TO GIVE US SO

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1THAT ERIC AND ALL OF HIS COLLEAGUES CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR 2PROGRAM. THANK YOU. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. 5

6AMY JAFFE: HI. I'M AMY JAFFE, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT FROM VISTA 7DEL MAR CHILD AND FAMILY SERVICES. WE ARE HOPING THAT THE 8COUNTY WILL BE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO HELP OUR AGENCIES OUT. 9VISTA DEL MAR HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR OVER 100 YEARS AND HAS 10A LONG STANDING HISTORY OF PROVIDING EXCELLENT CARE IN A 11NURTURING ENVIRONMENT TO CHILDREN IN NEED. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO 12CONTINUE TO PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED CARE TO OUR CHILDREN DUE TO 13THE PROPOSED BUDGET CUTS. CURRENTLY WE SUBSIDIZE EVERY CHILD 14IN OUR FACILITY. PUBLIC MONEYS PAY FOR ABOUT 67 PERCENT FOR 15EACH CHILD WITH DONORS PAYING FOR THE REST. EVEN WHEN OUR 16POPULATION IS DOWN, WE HAVE TO STAFF OUR FACILITY BASED ON OUR 17CENSUS TO MEET REQUIREMENTS. COST OF CARE CONTINUES TO 18INCREASE FOR THE CHILDREN PLACED IN OUR AGENCY. WE HAVE HAD TO 19REDUCE BEDS IN OUR FACILITY. THE MOST RECENT IS FROM 88 TO 34 20TO 36 IN OUR LEVEL 12 PROGRAM, AND WE ARE CONSIDERING FURTHER 21REDUCTION TO 24 BEDS. IMPORTANTLY, WE PROVIDE A VALUABLE 22SAFETY NET FOR CHILDREN IN NEED AND ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT OUR 23ABILITY TO AFFORD TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DO SO. WHERE ARE 24THESE CHILDREN GO IF PLACES LIKE VISTA DEL MAR ARE NOT AROUND 25TO PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED SUPPORT? WE TALK A LOT ABOUT BEDS AND

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1CENSUS, BUT THE REALITY, THESE ARE CHILDREN. EVERY TIME WE 2DECREASE A BED, THAT MEANS THAT A CHILD WHO HAS BEEN SEVERELY 3ABUSED, NEGLECTED, SUFFERED HORRIBLE TRAUMA WON'T HAVE THE 4OPPORTUNITY FOR THE HEALTH AND SUPPORT THAT HE OR SHE IS IN 5NEED OF. THANK YOU. 6

7SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M GOING TO ASK COOKIE 8NELLUM AND JAY ALLEN TO JOIN US, PLEASE. YES, SIR. 9

10ALEX MORALES: MY NAME IS ALEX MORALES, I'M THE C.E.O. OF THE 11CHILDREN'S BUREAU OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND WE HAVE OFFICES 12IN EACH OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS' DISTRICTS. I AM WANTING 13TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR CONCERN ABOUT THE 17-MILLION-DOLLAR CUT 14THAT THE STATE HAD BLUE PENCILED OUT AND HOW IT IS APPROACHING 15SOLVING THAT PROBLEM WITHIN THIS COUNTY, AND BASICALLY THE 16COUNTY SOLUTION IS TO ADDRESS HALF OF THAT BY TAKING THOSE 17RESOURCES AWAY FROM THE FOSTER CARE, F.F.A.S AND FROM THE 18GROUP HOME CHILDREN. WE FEEL THAT IT IS EASIER FOR THE 19DEPARTMENT, WHICH HAS OVER 1-1/2-BILLION-DOLLAR BUDGET TO FIND 20A WAY OF AVOIDING AN ARTERY BY ABSORBING THAT $17 MILLION CUT 21FOR STRATEGICALLY THAN FOR US TO EXPERIENCE THAT AS A 10 22PERCENT CUT. FOR OUR ORGANIZATION, THE STATE HAS REDUCED OUR 23REIMBURSEMENT BY 100,000, BUT IF THIS GOES THROUGH, THIS IS AN 24ADDITIONAL 200,000. WHAT I HAVE ALREADY DONE TO TRY TO BALANCE 25OUR BUDGET BUT HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL, IS WE HAVE OUR LINE

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1STAFF, SALARIES HAVE BEEN FROZEN, THEIR AVERAGE SALARY IS 2$50,000 FOR AN M.S.W. WITH MULTIPLE YEARS EXPERIENCE. WE'VE 3ELIMINATE 5 PERCENT BENEFIT, THEIR BENEFIT PACKAGE TOTAL NOW 4IS 21 PERCENT. THE OVERHEAD FOR THIS PROGRAM IS 8 PERCENT AND 5I'VE CLOSED ONE OF THOSE OFFICES. WHAT WE'VE HAD TO 6ADDITIONALLY DO, EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, IS ELIMINATE SEVERAL 7PREVENTION PROGRAMS. IN ESSENCE, IT'S NOT RECOGNIZED THAT WHAT 8IS HAPPENING IS THERE'S A NEED TO TRANSFER THE RESOURCES FROM 9PREVENTION TO PAY FOR THE GAP FUNDING NOW IN AN AREA THAT IS 10THE GOVERNMENT COMMITMENT. I JUST WANT TO END WITH SAYING THAT 11I THINK THAT WE HAVE A DISTRACTION ISSUE OF WHAT SHOULD BE THE 12RATE PAID FOR THESE SERVICES WHEN THE REAL QUESTION IS TO THE 13COUNTY IS DO YOU NEED FOSTER CARE SERVICES WHICH CURRENTLY 14ACCOUNT FOR TWO-THIRDS OF ALL THE-- 15

16SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WRAP IT UP, OKAY? THANK YOU. YES? 17

18BRUCE SALTZER: BRUCE SALTZER. TODAY IS THE FIRST TIME OUR 19ASSOCIATION IS ASKING FOR YOUR HELP RELATED TO THE D.C.F.S. 20BUDGET AND ITS IMPACT ON THE HIGHEST NEEDS FOSTER YOUTH IN THE 21CHILD'S WELFARE SYSTEM SERVED BY OUR GROUP HOMES AND F.F.A.S. 22AT THE SAME TIME I VIVIDLY REMEMBER DISCUSSING WITH YOU 23SEVERAL YEARS AGO A D.C.F.S. NON BUDGET RED LIGHT ISSUE 24RELATED TO THE STANDARD USED BY THE COUNTY IN INTERPRETING THE 25F.F.A. CONTRACT. THIS BOARD DID NOT AGREE WITH OUR POSITION

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1ABOUT THE UTILIZATION OF FEDERAL STANDARDS TO GUIDE THE 2INTERPRETATION OF THE CONTRACT. I CLEARLY REMEMBER THE 3UNANIMOUS POSITION YOU PROVIDED THAT DAY, I.E. THAT THIS 4COUNTY AND BOARD WILL DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COUNTY'S 5FOSTER YOUTH REGARDLESS OF ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE STATE OR 6FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THIS MESSAGE SURELY APPLIES TODAY, AS WE 7ASK THE BOARD TO TIN PAYING ITS SAME SHARE OF THE GROUP HOME 8RATES SO THAT OUR AGENCIES ARE ONLY ASKED TO ABSORB THE 3 9PERCENT STATE RATE REDUCTION RATHER THAN A TOTAL 10 PERCENT 10REDUCTION. OF COURSE WE MUST STRESS THAT THIS REQUEST IS ALSO 11BEING MADE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE GROUP 12HOMES TODAY ARE BEGINNING TO TAKE QUARTER LESS, AND F.F.A. IS 1330 PERCENT BELOW. TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE FINANCIALLY, OVER THE 14YEARS WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN A WHOLE ADDITIONAL LIST OF UNFUNDED 15MANDATES THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE IN THE CONTRACT AND IT'S 16UNREALISTIC TO AT SOME POINT EXPECT US TO DO MORE WITH FEWER 17DOLLARS. INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, THERE COMES A BREAKING 18POINT, AND WE HAVE REACHED IT. IF THIS BOARD AGREES WITH THE 19FULL 10 PERCENT RATE REDUCTION, OPTIMIST MUST SLASH 900,000, A 20MILLION DOLLARS AND ON AND ON. IN REAL TERMS, THERE IS NO 21DOUBT THE HIGHEST NEED IN THIS FOSTER CARE SYSTEM THAT WILL 22SUFFER THE MOST AS REFLECTED IN THE IMPACT STATEMENTS WE HAVE 23PROVIDED. IN CLOSING, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT OUR AGENCIES 24AGREE WITH THE CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM TO KEEP YOUTH SAFELY AT 25HOME AND FAMILIES INTACT. HOWEVER, WE MUST NOT FORSAKE THOSE

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1HIGHEST NEED FOSTER YOUTH FOR WHOM THIS IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION 2PUTTING THEM AT RISK. IF THE COUNTY FINDS ITSELF WITHOUT OUR 3CURRENT RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS BECAUSE OUR AGENCIES ARE UNWILLING 4TO OPERATE BY PROVIDING SUB STANDARD CARE FORCED UPON THEM BY 5INADEQUATE HOUSING REIMBURSEMENT, WHERE WILL THEY PUT THEM? 6MACLAREN? IF THERE'S ONE FINAL MESSAGE WE WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE 7WITH YOU, IS THAT D.C.F.S. CONTINUES TO USE LESS AND LESS OF 8OUR GROUP HOME RESOURCES, SO BE IT, BUT PLEASE DON'T CUT OUR 9LEVEL OF REIMBURSEMENT ANY FURTHER FOR THE HIGHEST YOUTH AS 10OUR GROUP HOMES CONTINUE TO SERVE MARGINALIZING THE QUALITY OF 11CARE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THEM. THANK YOU. 12

13SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: GOING TO ASK JOHN HITCHCOCK COULD COME 14AND MANUEL ABASCAL TO JOIN US. 15

16ALSERA NELLUM: MY FULL NAME ALSERA NELLUM. MY NICKNAME IS 17COOKIE. I WORK UNDER CALIFORNIA MEDICAL SERVICES AND TODAY I'M 18NOT SPEAKING AS A PER SE FOSTER CARE IN PUBLIC HEALTH BUT 19SPEAKING AS A PUBLIC HEALTH FOR ALL MY COLLEAGUES IN THE 20PUBLIC HEALTH. I'VE BEEN NURSING FOR 36 YEARS. 24 IN EMERGENCY 21ROOMS, LAST 12 HERE TO L.A. COUNTY. AS A PUBLIC HEALTH 22EMPLOYEE, OUR JOB IS TO KEEP THE PUBLIC SAFE AND ALSO THAT 23INVOLVES REDUCING T.B., H.I.V., S.T.D.S, FOSTER CARE YOUTH 24WHICH ALSO IN THIS GROUP FOR ILLNESSES THAT MAY BE PRESENT. AS 25YOU KNOW, THE FLU SEASON IS UPON US IN THE WINTERTIME AND H1N1

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1IS THE NEW BUG THAT'S OUT, SO WE'RE URGING THE L.A. COUNTY 2BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO GIVE US FULL FUNDING TO PURSUE WITH 3OUR NEEDS TO HELP KEEP THE PUBLIC SAFE, AND I THANK YOU IN 4ADVANCE. 5

6JAY ALLEN: MY NAME IS JAY ALLEN AND I'M THE CHIEF OPERATING 7OFFICER AT THE JUNIOR BLIND. WE ARE ESTABLISHED IN 1953 AND 8PROVIDE A WHOLE ARRAY OF PROGRAMS AND SERVICES TO ABOUT 9,000 9STUDENTS AND FAMILY MEMBERS PER YEAR, BIRTH TO SENIORS. ONE 10SUCH PROGRAM THAT WE OFFER IS A RESIDENTIAL GROUP HOME WHICH 11SERVES THE NEEDIEST CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY, BLIND, VISUALLY 12IMPAIRED, SEVERE DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES, SERIOUS MEDICAL 13AND BEHAVIORAL CHALLENGES, EVEN ASIDE FROM THE 10 PERCENT CUT 14THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO GROUP HOMES, THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT 15IS ALREADY IN JEOPARDY OF DOWNSIZING OR CLOSING SINCE THERE'S 16REALLY NO RATE SETTING METHODOLOGY THAT ADDRESSES THE UNIQUE 17NEEDS OF CHILDREN THAT NEED SO MUCH SUPPORT TO GET THROUGH THE 18DAY SUCCESSFULLY CURRENTLY. THE REIMBURSEMENT ONLY COVERS 19ABOUT 65 PERCENT OF THE ACTUAL COST OF THE SERVICE. I'D LIKE 20TO JUST BRIEFLY TELL YOU ABOUT ONE OF THE KIDS WE WERE ABLE TO 21HELP RECENTLY. THIS IS A YOUNG GIRL WHO WAS VISUALLY IMPAIRED, 22HAD A SERIOUS HEART CONDITION, AUTISTIC, SEIZURES DISORDER, 23DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES AND MUCH MORE. SHE WAS REMOVED FROM 24HER HOME DUE TO LIFE-THREATENING NEGLECT. IN SIX MONTHS WITH 25US, SHE LEARNED TO DO MORE THAN SHE HAD THE PREVIOUS SIX

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1YEARS. WE STABILIZED HER HEART CONDITION, TAUGHT HER MOM HOW 2TO HANDLE THE VERY COMPLICATED NEEDS OF THIS WONDERFUL CHILD. 3WE BEGAN SUPERVISED VISITATION AND WERE ABLE TO TRANSITION THE 4CHILD BACK HOME WHERE SHE LIVES TODAY WITH HER FAMILY AND 5THRIVING. I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT YOU'LL NOT FIND 6ANOTHER PROGRAM IN L.A. COUNTY, THE STATE AND PERHAPS THE 7COUNTRY THAT COULD PROVIDE THIS KIND OF SERVICE TO THIS CHILD 8AND CHILDREN LIKE HER. VERY UNIQUE RESOURCE, VERY IMPORTANT 9COMMUNITY NEEDS ARE BEING MET THROUGH THIS PROGRAM AND WE'RE 10ASKING YOU TO AT LEAST CONTINUE THE SAME LEVEL OF FUNDING 11SUPPORT THAT YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY. I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF 12SERIOUS ISSUES IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY AND WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU 13TO CONSIDER THIS ONE. THANK YOU. 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. CRAIG WOODS, IF YOU'D JOIN 16US, PLEASE. ALSO KARL HULIC. 17

18JOHN HITCHCOCK: KARL HAD TO LEAVE. 19

20SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. YES, SIR. 21

22JOHN HITCHCOCK: I'M JOHN HITCHCOCK, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HOME 23FOR CHILDREN. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 3 YEARS. HILLSIDE HAS BEEN 24TAKING CARE OF CHILDREN FOR THE PAST 95 YEARS. FOR THE PAST 10 25YEARS, WE HAVE MAINTAINED OVER A 99 PERCENT OCCUPANCY.

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1CURRENTLY OUR OCCUPANCY IS 99.9 PERCENT. THAT MEANS THAT WE 2HAVE 55 EMPTY BED DAYS OUT OF A POSSIBLE 22,110 BED DAYS. 3CLEARLY OUR-- YOU NEED OUR SERVICES. YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THESE 4BEDS THAT HAVE BEEN CLOSED AND OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE 5PROPOSING TO CLOSE. AS OF YET, HILLSIDE'S BOARD HAS NOT SEEN 6THAT AS AN OPTION, THEY HAVE NOT SETTLED ON A BUDGET FOR THIS 7NEXT YEAR, BUT CLOSING 10 TO 20 BEDS OR SHUTTING DOWN 8ALTOGETHER IS CLEARLY ONE OF THEIR OPTIONS. DOES NOT MAKE 9SENSE TO SHORTCHANGE OUR-- TO BE CHANGING-- SHORTCHANGING US 10IN ORDER TO PAY FOR MORE D.C.F.S. STAFF TO COVER THE SERVICES 11THAT ARE BEING PLANNED. IT WILL BE AN OUTRAGE IF YOU LET THE 12DEPARTMENT PASS ON THIS 10 PERCENT CUT, RESCUING THE PERMANENT 13LOSS OF VALUABLE RESOURCES AND THE POSSIBILITY OF EVEN MORE 14DEATHS. KARL HULIC, WHO WAS ON MY BOARD OFF AND ON FOR 22 15YEARS WOULD HAVE TESTIFIED THAT HE DOUBTED THAT THE BOARD, IN 16PASSING THE BUDGET, COULD AVOID NOT CLOSING SOME OF OUR BEDS. 17THANK YOU. 18

19SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. MANUEL? 20

21MANUEL ABASCAL: HELLO. I'M MANNY, AND I'M FIVE ACRES IN 22ALTADENA, VERY LARGE AGENCY, WE TREAT 4,000 FAMILIES AND 23CHILDREN. I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR 16 YEARS, I DONATE MONEY, 24TIME, AND I'M HERE BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT OUR 25ORGANIZATION. OUR RATES ARE NOT ENOUGH TO PAY FOR OUR COSTS.

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1WE LOSE MONEY EVERY YEAR, AND I AND MY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, WE 2DONATE MONEY AND WE RAISE MONEY TO MAKE UP THAT SHORTFALL. NO 3GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED AND NOW THAT THE ECONOMY IS HURTING 4AND THE STATE IS CUTTING BACK, WE'RE DIGGING DEEPER IN THE 5BOARD TO DONATE MORE MONEY AND RAISE MORE MONEY, BUT EVEN SO 6WITH THOSE EXTRA EFFORTS, WE'RE STILL DOWN 30 PERCENT IN 7DONATION AND WITH THE STATE CUTTING US, WE'RE DOWN HUNDREDS OF 8THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THIS YEAR. WE TRIED TO TIGHTEN, WE ARE 9CUTTING BACK ON SERVICES, WE CLOSED A GROUP HOME, WE ARE 10REDUCING OUR CAPACITY AND OUR RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT CENTER. 11THE PROBLEM IS THE NEED IS NOT GOING AWAY. WE ARE STILL 12GETTING KIDS AND THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. JUST LAST WEEK 13WE GET A COUPLE OF KIDS WITH A LONG HISTORY OF PHYSICAL AND 14SEXUAL ABUSE. WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR A 15HUNDRED YEARS PORE THOSE KIDS, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF 16THEM AND WE'RE GOING TO SAVE THEIR LIVES, BUT WE CANNOT 17CONTINUE WITH THIS SHORTFALL. WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY AND 18WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE TO GIVE AND WE CAN'T RAISE ANY MORE. 19ALL I WANT-- ALL WE WANT IS FOR THE COUNTY TO GIVE US THE 20STATUS QUO, TO NOT CUT US ANY FURTHER. ANY FURTHER CUTS BY THE 21COUNTY WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR ORGANIZATION OF WE THINK 22HALF A MILLION DOLLARS AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANOTHER HALF A 23MILLION DOLLARS TO GIVE AND WE CAN'T FIND IT. WE'RE ALREADY IN 24A SHORTFALL AS IT STANDS. IN CLOSING, I'D LIKE TO SAY I'M 25REALLY PROUD OF WHAT FIVE ACRES HAS DILLON AND WHAT WE'VE DONE

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1FOR THESE CHILDREN. I THINK THE COUNTY SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF 2THEM. WE'RE GOING TO DIG DEEPER, TRY HARD TO CONTINUE TREATING 3THESE KIDS. WE JUST WANT YOU TO GIVE US THE STATUS QUO AND 4STAND WITH US DURING THIS TIME. THANK YOU. 5

8CRAIG WOODS: THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CRAIG WOODS, DIRECTOR OF 9UNITED FOSTER CARE AGENCY IN SOUTH LOS ANGELES, ONE OF THE 10LARGEST FOSTER CARE PROVIDERS IN THE SOUTH LOS ANGELES 11COMMUNITY, AND I'M HERE TO APPEAL TO THE BOARD TODAY FOR 12CONSIDERATION OF THE SMALL GROUP HOME PROGRAMS. YES, WE ARE 13BLESSED TO HAVE SOME VERY LARGE PROGRAMS IN THIS COUNTY, LIKE 14THE GENTLEMAN JUST POINTED OUT, THAT HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES 15TO CARE FOR THESE KIDS, BUT MY PROGRAM'S ONLY IN ITS 20TH 16YEAR, NOT ITS HUNDREDTH, AND AS A RELATIVELY SMALL PROVIDER 17COMPARED TO SOME OF THE LARGER ONES, WE ARE NOR AT RISK OF 18LOSING OUR PROGRAMS AND THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO 19THE CHILDREN IN SOUTH LOS ANGELES, AND I STAND HERE TODAY 20ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER CONTINUING TO FUND US AT THE LEVELS 21THAT WE HAVE BEEN FUNDED AT. THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THE STATE 22BUDGET THAT ALLOWS YOU TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT OR IN THE STATE 23REGULATIONS THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DO IT CONTRARY TO WHAT I 24BELIEVE YOU'RE BEING TOLD, AND YOU HAVE WITHIN YOUR HANDS AND 25WITHIN YOUR POWER TODAY TO CONTINUE OUR FUNDING AT THE CURRENT

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1LEVEL SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SAVE THE LIVES OF THESE KIDS 2IN OUR COMMUNITIES. THIS IS PROPORTIONATELY A BIASED ISSUE 3BECAUSE FUNDING IN THE SOUTH LOS ANGELES COMMUNITY IS 4DISPROPORTIONATE ALREADY TO IF YOU COULD IN SOME OF THE OTHER 5AREAS, AND JUST BY THE SIZE OF OUR PROGRAMS, WE ARE GOING TO 6BE MORE GREATLY IMPACT BY THESE BUDGET CUTS AND THIS RATE CUT 7THAN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. SO I ASK YOU TODAY TO PLEASE 8CONSIDER TO CONTINUE THE FUNDING ON BEHALF OF THE SMALLER 9PROGRAMS AND THE MOST NEEDY COMMUNITY IN THIS COUNTY. THE 10EXISTING AND CURRENT RATE OF FUNDING THAT THE COUNTY HAS 11SUPPORTED THESE CHILDREN WITH IN THE PAST. THANK YOU. 12

13SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. MR. FUJIOKA? 14

15C.E.O. FUJIOKA: OKAY. I WANT TO GET INTO THIS, BUT BEFORE I DO 16ON THE ISSUE WITH THE F.F.A.S, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST-- 17FIRST, I'M GOING TO PREFACE MY SUGGESTION BY STATING THAT I 18BELIEVE WE HAVE A FIRM POLICY ON NOT BACKFILLING STATE CUTS, 19ALTHOUGH IT HAS HAD AN IMPACT ON NOT ONLY THIS SERVICE BUT 20MANY SERVICES THAT WE HAVE ADMINISTERED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 21WE STILL NEED TO STRICTLY COMPLY WITH THAT POSITION, THAT 22POLICY, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THIS ONE ISSUE, I WOULD SUGGEST 23THAT YOU INSTRUCT US TO SIT WITH COUNSEL AND D.C.F.S. TO LOOK 24AT HOW WE COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS. IT WON'T BE TO 25BACKFILL THE STATE MONEY BUT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF

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1IDENTIFYING HOW WE COULD WORK WITH THE F.F.A.S, WHETHER IT'S 2NEW PROGRAMS, ADDITIONAL SERVICES, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK TO 3DETERMINE WITH OUR COUNTY COUNSEL IF THERE ARE ANY LEGAL 4PROHIBITIONS FROM SOME OF THE ACTIONS WE COULD HAVE POSSIBLY 5TAKEN. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU IN 30 DAYS. 6

7SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YES. I MEAN, DEFINITELY. I THINK THAT'S 8PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, THE BEST THING, IF WE COULD 9JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE A MOTION AND THROW THE DOLLARS OUT THERE, 10BUT LEGALLY OR NOT LEGALLY, I MEAN, THERE'S A PRETTY 11SIGNIFICANT ISSUE HERE ABOUT BACKFILL, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY 12IMPORTANT THAT YOU, COUNTY COUNSEL AND THE DEPARTMENT MEET 13WITH THESE FOLKS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO ASSIST THEM. IT'S A 14VERY DEVASTATING CUT, ONE THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT PROGRAMS AND 15KIDS' LIVES GREATLY, AND SO I THINK THERE'S A WILLINGNESS HERE 16AMONGST ALL, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO ASSIST THEM, WE WANT TO DO 17THAT, BUT THIS BUT ONE-- PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE AFFECTED BY THE 18STATE'S INABILITY TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER AS WELL. WE KNOW 19WE CAN BACKFILL RUTH. IT'S A POLICY ISSUE. 20

21BRUCE SALTZER: (OFF-MIC.) 22

25C.E.O. FUJIOKA: WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SUPERVISOR MOLINA? 3

4SUP. MOLINA: IF I COULD ASK THE AUDITOR TO COME UP AND, TRISH, 5IF SHE'S HERE ON THESE ISSUES. I WANT TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS 6ABOUT THIS OF YOU KNOW, I STARTED LOOKING AT THIS OVERALL AND 7THERE'S NO DOUBT, THERE ARE MANY OF THE GROUP HOMES AND THE 8DEPARTMENT RELIES HEAVILY ON THESE ISSUES-- ON THESE HOMES AND 9AS A PLACEMENT FACILITY AND MANY OF THEM, MOST ALL OF THEM 10HAVE EXCELLENT CARE AND OUR LAST SET OF CONTRACTS PROVIDED A 11LOT OF QUALITY ASSURANCE FOR US, AND THAT'S, AS I UNDERSTAND, 12BEEN HONORED, BUT I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED WHEN I WAS 13WORKING ON ANOTHER ISSUE AND THERE WAS A MEMO THAT CAME ACROSS 14MY DESK ABOUT AN AUDIT THAT HAS BEEN DONE BY WENDY IN KNABE'S 15OFFICE, AND IN THIS AUDIT, AS THEY WERE LOOKING AT SOME OF 16THESE THINGS, THERE WAS ALSO A REPORT THAT WAS ATTACHED TO IT 17THAT TALKED ABOUT THE WRITE-OFFS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED OF 18THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN SERVICES, AND WHEN I STARTED 19LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, THEY BECAME BIGGER AND LARGER THAN I 20HAD EVER SEEN, AND IT SEEMS TO BE A PATTERN THAT IS 21TROUBLESOME FOR ME BECAUSE WHEN I LOOKED AT AN OUTSTANDING 22AMOUNT OF MONEY WHERE WE PAID FOR THESE CHILDREN'S SERVICES TO 23A GROUP HOME AND WE HAD ONE CALLED D & S SERVICES, WHICH HAS 24NO ADDRESS HERE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, BUT THEY OWED 25US $577,000 IN COSTS THAT WERE DISALLOWED AND INSTEAD OF

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1PAYING US OR TRYING TO NEGOTIATE ANY KIND OF REPAYMENT, THEY 2CLOSED UP. AND WHEN YOU START GOING THROUGH THIS LIST, THE 3CLOSE-OUTS FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS WAS A TOTAL OF 3.7 MILLION 4THAT WAS WRITTEN OFF. IN OTHER WORDS, THESE ARE UNCOLLECTED 5SUMS OF MONEY THAT WENT TO GROUP HOMES THAT, FOR WHATEVER 6REASON, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE AUDIT, CLEARLY SAID YOU 7CAN'T-- AND THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF THEM, I DON'T NEED TO GO 8THROUGH THEM, ON ALL OF THEM, BUT IT IS PRETTY DISTRESSING, A 9LOT OF MONEY, AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW SOME OF THESE PEOPLE JUST 10CHANGED LITTLE OWNERS AROUND AND REOPENED. I MEAN, I DON'T 11EVEN KNOW IF YOU KNOW THAT OR WHAT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF 12EFFORT WE'VE DONE IN COLLECTING. I REMEMBER THAT WHEN WE HAD 13AN AGENCY THAT WENT BANKRUPT, WE STEPPED IN RIGHT AWAY AND 14WERE VERY CAREFUL AS TO HOW WE HANDLED THE CONTRACT AND SO ON, 15BUT WHAT I'M-- AND TRANSFERRED THE CHILDREN, BY THE WAY, 16BECAUSE THAT IS THE UTMOST RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE, BUT IN 17THIS INSTANCE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS AND 18YOU TALK ABOUT THE 3.7 MILLION THAT WE DIDN'T GET, I'M VERY 19CONCERNED AS TO THE SENTIMENT THAT IS BEING RAISED HERE AND 20THE FACT THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WE PAID TO TAKE CARE OF 21CHILDREN WHO, UNDER THE GUIDELINES BY THE FEDERAL AND STATE AS 22WELL AS OUR GUIDELINES OBVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN SPENDING 3.7 23MILLION THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED, AND INSTEAD OF RESOLVING THEM, 24THEY CHOOSE TO WRITE THEM OFF, OR YOU ALL CHOOSE TO WRITE THEM 25OFF. NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME RECONCILIATION OF THIS

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1ISSUE BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND CLEARLY, AND TRISH, I KNOW 2YOU KNOW THAT I SPOKE WITH BRUCE ABOUT THIS, AND IN SOME OF 3THE AUDITS, BY THE WAY, I WAS ALSO CONCERNED, WHILE ONE OF 4THEM WAS MONEY, THERE'S OTHERS ABOUT THAT WE WERE NOT-- WHEN 5WE WENT IN TO CHECK, THERE WERE NO MEDICATIONS THAT WERE BEING 6PROVIDED TO THE CHILDREN ACCORDING TO THE PLAN. NOW, THAT'S A 7VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AS WELL AS THE MONEY, AND I THINK WE 8NEED TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT WHY IS IT THAT-- I MEAN, HAS THIS 9BEEN STANDARD ISSUE FOR ALL THESE YEARS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY 10RACK UP THESE BILLS AND THEN IT'S PART OF THE BUSINESS TO JUST 11GO OUT OF BUSINESS? DO WE SEE THAT AS A STANDARD THAT HAS BEEN 12CREATED HERE? 13

14TRISH PLOEHN: IT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROBLEM. ONCE AN AGENCY 15GOES OUT OF THE BUSINESS, THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO GO ABOUT 16DOING THE COLLECTION. 17

18SUP. MOLINA: AGAIN, THEY HAVE NO PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AT 19ALL? 20

21TRISH PLOEHN: I BELIEVE THEY DO, YES. 22

23SUP. MOLINA: THEY DO? 24

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1TRISH PLOEHN: I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY TO 2PAY THEIR BILLS AND IF THEY HAVE OVERPAID OR BEEN PAID BY THE 3COUNTY THAT WAS NOT DUE TO THEM, THAT THEY SHOULD INDEED REPAY 4THAT MONEY. 5

6SUP. MOLINA: BUT INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, WE INSTEAD WRITE IT 7OFF, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY ARE NEVER HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. 8

9TRISH PLOEHN: THAT IS THE WAY WE HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST, 10IF THE AGENCY HAS GONE OUT OF BUSINESS. I WOULD ASSUME BECAUSE 11WHEN THE TREASURER AND TAX COLLECTOR GOES ABOUT TRYING TO 12COLLECT THAT MONEY, THERE'S NO ONE TO COLLECT IT FROM. I DON'T 13KNOW. THIS IS NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, PERHAPS. 14

15ROBERT KALUNIAN, COUNSEL: IT DEPENDS ON THE ENTITY INVOLVED, 16IF IT'S A CORPORATION. IF THE CORPORATION IS NO LONGER IN 17BUSINESS, THERE'S NO ONE TO FILE IT AGAINST, BUT WE CAN LOOK 18AT IT, SUPERVISOR. I REALLY CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT HAS BEEN DONE 19IN THE PAST AND WHY. 20

21SUP. MOLINA: WELL, AGAIN, WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT IT, AND WE 22SHOULD, BECAUSE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GUESS HERE HOW SOME OF 23THIS IS HAPPENING, AND THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, SO THESE 24PEOPLE HAVE ABSCONDED WITH OUR FUNDS, AS I SEE IT, CHILDREN'S 25FUNDS, THESE HOMES AND THESE BEDS THAT ARE SO VITAL AND

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1NECESSARY TO THE WELFARE OF OUR CHILDREN. THERE'S A LOT OF 2MONEY. THEN I STARTED LOOKING A LITTLE FURTHER AND THERE'S A 3NEW SERIES OF DISALLOWABLE COSTS, SOME OF THE VERY SAME PEOPLE 4IN THE AUDIENCE THAT CAME UP WHO HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF 5HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF DISALLOWED COSTS THAT ARE 6PENDING RESOLUTION IS-- IN WHAT I SAW WAS NORMAL HERE THAT 7ANYONE OVER A HUNDRED GRAND JUST QUITS AND SO THOSE THAT OWE 814,000 DOLLARS ALWAYS SEEM TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO REPAY IT. 9THE ANYTHING OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND, IT'S LIKE LET'S GET OUT 10OF TOWN, AND RIGHT NOW IN SOME OF THESE-- IN SOME OF THE VERY 11PEOPLE THAT CAME UP TO TESTIFY, MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND, 12OF ALREADY DISALLOWED COSTS. NOW, CAN WE START CHARGING THAT 13AGAINST THE ALLOCATED AMOUNT THAT WE ARE GIVING THEM SO THAT 14WE ARE PROTECTED AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT WE WILL MAKE SURE 15THAT THIS MONEY IS TRULY GOING TO CHILDREN AND BENEFITING A 16MEMBER WHEN I WAS HERE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, WE FOUND ONE OF 17THESE GROUP HOMES AND I THINK THE COUPLE WENT TO HAWAII AND 18THEY BOUGHT A CADILLAC, AND I WAS ONE OF THE PUSHY PEOPLE 19AROUND HERE THAT INSISTED THAT WE FILE A LAWSUIT. MY 20UNDERSTANDING, WE LOST IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW, BUT WE DIDN'T 21WIN, BUT THE POINT IS THAT CAN WE DO THAT, CAN WE GO FOR SOME 22OF THESE AGENCIES THAT OWE US MONEY RIGHT NOW, UNDER THE AUDIT 23THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT HAVE BEEN CONCLUDED, THAT HAVE 24CLEARLY STATED THAT THIS IS A DISALLOWED COST, LIKE SOMETIMES 25PAYING YOUR RETIRED C.E.O. FOR CONSULTANT SERVICES THAT ARE

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1NOT PERMITTED UNDER A CONTRACT FOR SOME REIMBURSEMENTS THAT 2SHOULDN'T BE PERMITTED FOR SOME OF THESE CONTRACTS, FOR PEOPLE 3WHO STEAL MONEY FROM THE ORGANIZATION AND THEN CAN WE WITHHOLD 4THAT MONEY AS WE CONTINUE THEIR CONTRACTS? 5

6WENDY WATANABE: SUPERVISOR, SURE. WENDY WATANABE, THE AUDITOR- 7CONTROLLER. WHEN IT COMES TO AN UNCOLLECTABLE ITEM AND MOST OF 8THE AUDITS FINDINGS, AS YOU SEE ON THE PACKET THAT CAME FROM 9D.C.F.S. , WERE AUDITS THAT COMPLETED, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE 10LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AND PER-- NOW, IF WE-- LET'S SAY THE 11COUNTY DECIDED TO WRITE IT OFF BECAUSE AFTER YEARS OF ATTEMPTS 12BY BOTH THE DEPARTMENT AND BY TREASURER AND TAX COLLECTOR, NOW 13THERE IS A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT THAT THE CONTRACTORS HAVE 14MADE, AND WHICH THEY DIDN'T FULFILL, SO WE, AFTER THE 15DEPARTMENT-- AFTER WE SAID IT WAS OUR FINDINGS DEPARTMENTS 16WILL MAKE THE FIRST ATTEMPT TO COLLECT AND AFTER THAT, I 17BELIEVE THEY WORK WITH COUNTY COUNSEL AND EVEN AFTER THAT, 18IT'S STILL NOT A COLLECTABLE AND THEN IT GOES TO TREASURER AND 19TAX FOR MAYBE ANOTHER TRY AND EVENTUALLY IT GETS RECOMMENDED 20TO BE WRITTEN OFF. NOW, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT CAN WE HOLD ON TO 21THEIR EXISTING CONTRACT OR THE UPCOMING CONTRACT, NOW-- 22

23SUP. MOLINA: NOT THE WHOLE CONTRACT AMOUNT, BUT IF YOU OWE US 24$100,000, MAYBE WE CAN GET 50,000 A MONTH TO PAY US BACK. 25

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1WENDY WATANABE: DEPENDING ON COUNTY COUNSEL'S INTERPRETATION 2OF THE CONTRACT BECAUSE SOME OF THE SERVICES MAY BE DIFFERENT, 3SO WHAT THEY OWE FROM THE CONTRACT MAY BE SERVICING THE 4PARTICULAR AREA OR A GROUP. THE NEW CONTRACT MAY BE A 5DIFFERENT GROUP, SO WE MAY HAVE-- 6

7SUP. MOLINA: LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY. SO WE ARE NOW 8CREATING CONTRACTS, BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS PART, SO 9WE RENEW CONTRACTS WITH PEOPLE WHO OWE US MONEY. THAT'S SORT 10OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. RIGHT? 11

12WENDY WATANABE: I'M SORRY? 13

14SUP. MOLINA: I'M THINKING THIS IS AN ONGOING CONTRACT. 15

16WENDY WATANABE: RIGHT. 17

18SUP. MOLINA: SO THAT THE CONTRACTOR COULD BE THREE YEARS OR 19FIVE YEARS, BUT WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME, THEY OWE US MONEY, WE 20HAVE CONCLUDED THAT THEY OWE US MONEY. CAN WE WITHHOLD MONEY 21TO THAT AGENCY AND REQUEST THAT THOSE CONTRACT SERVICES BE 22PROVIDED BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEY OWE US MONEY, CAN WE DO 23THAT. 24

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1WENDY WATANABE: SOMETIMES YOU HAVE MULTIPLE CONTRACTS GOING ON 2AT THE SAME TIME, SO MOST OF OUR AUDITS WERE DONE, IT WAS 3AFTER A COMPLETION OF A CONTRACT. 4

5SUP. MOLINA: ALL RIGHT. LET'S START AGAIN. WE SEE THIS 6PROBLEM, OKAY, AND I GUESS WHAT WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW AND WHEN 7THEY REPORT BACK IS WHETHER, IN FACT, WE CAN DO THIS, BECAUSE 8IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THESE KINDS OF CUTS, WHICH NO ONE 9WANTS TO SEE THESE KINDS OF STATE CUTS AND THEY CUT INTO THE 10MOST NEEDY OF PROGRAMMING, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY 11DECIDED THAT THERE WASN'T-- THAT THEY COULDN'T-- NOW ALL OF A 12SUDDEN THEY HAVE FOUND A VERY-- LEGALLY THEY SAY, OH, SURE YOU 13CAN, SO LOOK INTO IT, IT'S A POSSIBILITY, BUT THE POINT IS 14THAT I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE STATE MANDATES CERTAIN RATE LEVELS, 15CERTAIN RESPONSIBILITIES, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL MANDATES, 16THEY'RE ALL STATE MANDATES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE SORT 17OF LEAVING US HOLDING THE BAG ON THIS THING AT THE EXPENSE OF 18COUNTY TAXPAYERS. WE HAVE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. SO I GUESS I 19HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT DO I HAVE THE ABILITY RIGHT NOW TO 20SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE EVEN SITTING HERE TO SAY YOU OWE ME 21SO MUCH MONEY, WHEN WILL YOU PAY ME BACK, OR IF YOU DON'T PAY 22ME BACK TODAY, I WILL TAKE IT FROM YOUR CONTRACT, FROM THE 23MONEY THAT I WILL ALLOCATE FOR YOU TOMORROW. CAN I DO THAT? 24

25WENDY WATANABE: MY PERSONAL OPINION--

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2SUP. MOLINA: I DON'T NEED-- I NEED-- 3

4ROBERT KALUNIAN: SUPERVISOR, I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME 5PROVISIONS THAT COULD ALLOW FOR OFFSETS. IT DEPENDS ON THE 6CONTRACT AND WE CERTAINLY SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT AND TRY AND 7DEVELOP SOME TYPE OF MECHANISM SO BASICALLY WE'RE AWARE OF 8WHAT'S GOING OUT AND WHAT SHOULD BE COMING IN. 9

10SUP. MOLINA: IS ANYONE ELSE TROUBLED BY THIS? I MEAN, I SAW 11THAT TARZANA CENTER THING AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT 12HAPPENED. I JUST READ ABOUT IT IN THE PAPER, AND I TAKE IT 13THAT WAS ONE OF OUR CONTRACTS, RIGHT? WASN'T IT? YEAH. WHERE 14THERE WAS A LOT OF MONEY THAT WAS BEING PAID TO EXECUTIVES 15BEYOND ANYTHING HERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DISALLOWABLE, 16BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES. 17

18SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY BEING PAID TO THE 19EXECUTIVES AT THESE AGENCIES, TOO, NOT JUST AT TARZANA. 20

21SUP. MOLINA: ON THIS ISSUE? NOT JUST TARZANA? THAT'S WHAT I'M 22SAYING. THEY'RE PAYING A RETIRED C.E.O. OVER $100,000 IN 23CONSULTING FEES, AND IT'S BEEN DISALLOWED. IT DIDN'T GO TO 24CHILDREN. THERE COULD HAVE BEEN SERVICES THAT HAVE BEEN 25PROVIDED OR SO ON, BUT I'M CONCERNED, IS THAT ALLOWED OR NOT

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1ALLOWED, AND IF IT'S NOT ALLOWED, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T SPEND 2THAT MONEY ON IT, SO I GUESS THAT IF-- WHY AM I DOING THIS? 3WHY ISN'T SOMEBODY ELSE? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO 4MAKE DECISIONS-- LET ME FIND OUT THE NEW AMOUNT FOR THIS YEAR 5SO FAR IT'S 1.1 MILLION THAT WE'VE NOT YET WRITTEN OFF, BUT I 6THINK IT GOES THROUGH SOME LITTLE PROCESS AND IT ENDS UP LIKE 7THE OTHER 3.7 MILLION, PROBABLY EVERYBODY OVER $100,000 WILL 8QUIT BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN THE NORM. ANYONE WHO OWES US 9,000 OR 910,000 WILL PROBABLY PAY, AND I THINK WHAT'S SAD ABOUT THAT IS 10THAT THOSE THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE HERE, YOU KNOW, STAND UP TO 11THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES, THOSE THAT WE FIND HUGE AMOUNTS OF 12CLAIMS, WE DON'T-- WE SEEM TO WRITE THEM OFF. IT'S SORT OF 13UNFAIR TO THOSE GOOD OPERATORS THAT STAY WITHIN THE RULES, 14THAT DON'T VIOLATE ANYTHING, THAT CONTINUE TO PROVIDE DIRECT 15SERVICES TO THESE CHILDREN THAT MAXIMIZE THE DOLLARS THAT ARE 16GOING TO THESE CHILDREN AND SOMETIMES YOU EVEN DO PRIVATE 17FUNDRAISING TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THAT MONEY ALLOCATE TO 18CHILDREN, AND YET THERE ARE SOME ON HERE, INCLUDING ONE OF 19THEM THAT'S COME UP AND HAS MADE ARRANGEMENTS TO PAY BUT SO 20FAR HAS NEVER SHOWED UP ON ANY OF THE APPOINTED DAYS TO START 21MAKING THAT PAYMENT, SO EVEN AFTER THEY AGREE, THEY SORT OF 22FORGET TO SHOW UP. ISN'T THIS SOMETHING WE ALL SHOULD CARE 23ABOUT? PARTICULARLY THE ASSOCIATIONS. WELL, I KNOW SOME OF YOU 24ARE ON THAT LIST, AND I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO COMMENT. 25(LAUGHTER).

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2SPEAKER: (OFF-MIKE). 3

4SUP. MOLINA: WELL, I'VE NOT USED NAMES. THE POINT IS, I WOULD 5LIKE NOW, A VERY THOROUGH REVIEW OF THIS. I THINK WE NEED TO 6BRING THIS INTO FULL COMPLIANCE. IF THE STATE SAYS, NO, YOU 7CANNOT STOP PAYMENT, THEN WE HAVE TO GO TO THE STATE AND SAY, 8WAIT A MINUTE, LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO SOME BAD ACTORS. RIGHT? 9AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T MIND 10THESE PEOPLE COMMENTING, THEY CAN. 11

12SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I'M JUST SAYING, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT BAD 13APPLES. 14

15SUP. MOLINA: I DO KNOW WITH THE ONES THAT DIDN'T PAY US THAT 16CLOSED, ALL RIGHT, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN GOOD INTENTIONS THERE 17AS WELL AS THAT COUPLE THAT WENT TO HAWAII, MAYBE IT WAS A 18STRESS LEAVE, I DON'T KNOW, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN GOOD 19REASONS, BUT WE DO KNOW ONE THING, UNDER THE CONTRACT, IT'S 20DISALLOWED COSTS. YOU CAN ARGUE IT ALL DAY LONG. ONE OF THEM 21WENT AS FAR AS TO THE MONEY WAS STOLEN SO WE ARE GOING TO 22MAKE-- AND THEY'VE RECOVERED IT, BUT THEY FEEL THAT THEY 23SHOULD KEEP IT SINCE THEY RECOVERED IT. SO THESE ARE THINGS 24THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT POLICY GUIDELINES WHEN YOU 25DON'T JUST CREATE A PROCESS AND JUST FOLLOW IT WITHOUT SAYING

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1DOES THIS MAKE SENSE AND IS THIS A RESPONSIBLE WAY TO GO. 2WE'RE PUNISHING THE FOLKS THAT ARE CONTINUOUSLY TRYING TO 3PROVIDE THIS CARE TO CHILDREN AND THAT MAKE AN EFFORT TO SPEND 4THE DOLLARS THAT ARE THERE AND SOME WHO PRIVATELY FUND RAISE 5FOR IT AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE LETTING SOME OF THE BAD ACTORS 6GET AWAY WITH IT, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE COMING BACK 7ONTO THE SCENE THINS SINCE THEY TOOK 3.7 MILLION LAST YEAR, 8WHY NOT ATTEMPT TO AGAIN THIS YEAR? SO I JUST THINK THAT I'D 9LIKE TO SEE A PLAN OF ACTION AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO CORRECT 10ALL THE IRREGULARITIES THAT I HAVE POINTED OUT HERE AND I 11DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU TO DO THAT, BUT THE 12QUICKER THE BETTER, BUT I DO KNOW THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT AT 13THIS POINT IN TIME WE HOLD OFF. IF NOTHING HAS BEEN WRITTEN 14OFF AS YET, WE SHOULD STOP WRITING OFF RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET 15A BETTER EXPLANATION BEFORE-- BECAUSE IT'S MY SOMETHING THAT I 16UNDERSTAND IS AUTOMATICALLY DONE, WE DON'T EVEN GET TO APPROVE 17THESE WRITE-OFFS. 18

19WENDY WATANABE: AND SUPERVISOR, IF I MAY, MY DEPARTMENT DOES 20NOT GET INTO THE COLLECTION SIDE. 21

22SUP. MOLINA: I KNOW. EVERYBODY WORKS ON THEIR OWN SILOS. 23

24WENDY WATANABE: WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A MORE ACTIVE ROLE IN 25THAT.

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2SUP. MOLINA: WE CHANGED THIS PROCESS, INSTEAD OF A C.A.O., A 3C.E.O. TO TAKE CARE OF THESE ISSUES, AND SO I HOPE THAT 4SOMEHOW YOU WILL WORK IT OUT. I DON'T THINK IT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE 5THING. I THINK COUNTY COUNSEL CAN SIT IN, EVERYBODY CAN SIT 6IN, I THINK WE CAN WORK THROUGH THESE THINGS, A INCLUDING THE 7ASSOCIATION AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE. AGAIN, I 8DON'T KNOW HOW THEY RECOVER WHAT IT IS, BUT IF IT'S DOES 9ALLOWED AND SHOULDN'T BE PAID OUT, I DON'T THINK THAT 10TAXPAYERS SHOULD BE HAVING TO WRITE THAT OFF OR HAVING TO PAY 11FOR THAT. 12

13SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WE HAVE A COUPLE MEMBERS OF THE 14ASSOCIATION IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, JUST A COUPLE. 15NOT EVERYBODY. JUST SORT OF GIVE US AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT 16MIGHT BE HAPPENING. MOST RECENT COMMENTS ABOUT THE AUDITS, MY 17UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'RE STILL IN REVIEW, THAT THEY'RE 18NOT FINALIZED AND THAT I WOULD HOPE, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW 19EVERY SINGLE DETAIL, THERE THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST BE DUE 20PROCESS AND ENSURE-- 21

22SUP. MOLINA: YOU DON'T GET INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS AT ALL? 23

24BRUCE SALTZER: I DO NOT. MY UNDERSTANDING WITH RESPECT TO THE 25TWO AGENCIES, ONE OF THEM WAS USING PRIVATE DOLLARS TO DO

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1WHATEVER THEY NEEDED TO DO AND IT WAS NOT COUNTY DOLLARS AT 2ALL. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM TALKING TO THAT AGENCY. 3WITH RESPECT TO THE STOLEN MONEY, MY UNDERSTANDING, AGAIN, 4JUST VERY BRIEFLY, IS THAT SOMEONE DID TAKE MONEY, THE MONEY 5WAS RESTORED AND THE AGENCY WANTS TO CONTINUE TO USE THOSE 6DOLLARS AS THEY WOULD FOR ANY OTHER LEGITIMATE SERVICE THAT 7THEY HAVE IN THEIR AGENCY, SO THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. IN 8OTHER WORDS, SOMEONE TAKES MONEY, INSURANCE AGENCY RECOVERS OR 9WHATEVER AND PAYS YOU BACK FOR THOSE LOST FUNDS AND YOU 10CONTINUE TO DELIVER THEM. 11

12SUP. MOLINA: I KNOW, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY IN THIS ROOM 13THAT WOULD CONCLUDE THAT TO BE A GIFT OF PUBLIC FUNDS. 14

15BRUCE SALTZER: I'M SORRY? 16

17SUP. MOLINA: THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THIS ROOM THAT WOULD CONCLUDE 18THAT TO BE A GIFT OF PUBLIC FUNDS. 19

20BRUCE SALTZER: IF SOMEBODY TOOK MONEY FROM LEGITIMATE BUSINESS 21AND IT WAS PAID BACK, WOULDN'T THEY CONTINUE TO USE THOSE. 22AGAIN, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU WERE USING. THAT'S MY QUESTION. GOING 23BACK TO THE BIGGER ISSUE IN TERMS OF THE BACKFILL, JUST WANT 24TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR. THERE ARE THREE PARTS OF THE 25REDUCTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. COUNTY'S PORTION AND

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1FEDERAL PORTION. JUST RESPOND TO THAT POINT. AND I GUESS THE 2LAST COMMENT WITH RESPECT TO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW 3THAT NOT AGENCY IN THE COUNTY IS A PERFECT AGENCY AND THERE 4ARE AGENCIES THAT SHOULD HONESTLY BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS. WE 5DON'T DEFEND THOSE AGENCIES, WE DON'T REPRESENT THOSE 6AGENCIES. THEY'RE BAD AGENCIES IN ANY SYSTEM IN THE STATE OF 7CALIFORNIA AND THOSE AGENCIES THAT ARE DOING BAD THINGS SHOULD 8BE PUNISHED. WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH D.C.F.S.. IT JUST GOT 9RESOLVED ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO AGO WHERE THEY WERE COMING OUT 10TWICE A YEAR TO OUR F.F.A.S AND GROUP HOMES, REGARDLESS OF 11WHETHER HEALTH SIDE HAD A GOOD AUDIT, THEY WERE AUDITED A 12SECOND TIME, BUT THERE WERE OTHER PROVIDERS OUT THERE, SOME OF 13THE LICENSED HOMES, SOME OF THE RELATIVE HOMES. I UNDERSTAND, 14FOR EXAMPLE, THE COUNTY LOST TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER 15THE YEARS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T REGULARLY REVIEWING THEIR 16RELATIVES HOMES AND THE STATE ONLY COMES OUT WAKES UP EVERY 17FIVE YEARS, SO WHEN WE ASKED WHAT ABOUT THAT, THEY SAID THAT'S 18THE STATE'S RESPONSIBILITY. I COME BACK TO WHAT WE HEARD 19BEFORE LEGITIMATELY FROM THIS BOARD, WHICH IS THAT THOSE ARE 20OUR KIDS AND WE'RE EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM. I'LL NEVER 21DEFEND AN AGENCY THAT'S DOING POORLY. BOTTOM LINE, YOU'RE 22HURTING THE KIDS. 23

24SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SUPERVISOR? 25

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1SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: THE ITEM BEFORE US PERTAINS TO THE 2PROPOSED CUTS THAT HAD BEEN CONTEMPLATED. THE C.E.O. HAS 3SUGGESTED THEN THAT WE TAKE 30 DAYS TO REVIEW THIS WITH THE 4INTENT TO TRY TO KEEP THE RESPECTIVE AGENCIES WHOLE IN DOING 5THE WORK THAT WE ALL AGREE IS IMPORTANT WITH RESPECT TO 6CONSTITUENTS THAT THEY CARE FOR OR TEND TO. THE CONCERNS 7RAISED OTHERWISE ARE HUGELY IMPORTANT. SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY 8ARE TO BE A WORKING GROUP LED BY THE C.E.O. THAT WOULD-- 9

10SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: C.E.O., COUNTY COUNSEL AND-- 11

12SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: THE AUDITOR-CONTROLLER AND THE DEPARTMENT 13OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY SERVICES. THEY OWE US SOME INFORMATION. 14THAT INFORMATION GOES TO OVERARCHING POLICY CONSIDERATIONS 15HERE AND I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE DEPARTMENT IN 16CONSULTATION WITH THE AUDITOR-CONTROLLER TO PROVIDE US WITH A 17LIST OF THOSE WHO CURRENTLY MAY BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE. IF 18THAT'S THE CASE, WE CAN DISPOSE OF THIS MATTER IN A WAY THAT 19IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BEST OF WHAT WE MIGHT DO TO DISPATCH 20OUR PUBLIC RESPONSIBILITIES. ONE, MAINTAINING CONTINUITY AND, 21TWO, MAINTAINING HIGHER LEVELS OF ACCOUNTABILITY. THANK YOU. 22MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD SO MOVE. 23

24SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ALL RIGHT. MOVED AND SECONDED. AFFORD 25THIS GENTLEMAN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BRIEFLY. BRIEFLY.

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2JOHN HITCHCOCK: I'M JOHN HITCHCOCK BEGIN FROM HILLSIDE. I'M ON 3THAT LIST OF AGENCIES THAT SUPPOSEDLY OWE $4,000. THE AUDITOR 4CAME OUT LAST YEAR AND DID A SAMPLE OF OUR EXPENSES AND FOUND 5$4,000 WORTH OF ITEMS THAT THEY FELT WERE EITHER NOT-- WE 6HADN'T DONE ENOUGH DOCUMENTATION TO JUSTIFY THE EXPENSE OR 7THAT IT WASN'T AN ALLOWABLE COST. THEY DIDN'T DO A FULL AUDIT 8OF ALL OF OUR EXPENSES. THIS IS AN AGENCY THAT THAT YEAR 9CAUSED 6.5 MILLION TO TAKE CARE OF THE COUNTY KIDS. EXCUSE ME. 10

11SUP. MOLINA: YES, SIR. I APOLOGIZE. 12

13JOHN HITCHCOCK: I'M HOPING YOU'RE LISTENING TO ME, SUPERVISOR, 14BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT I'M VERY UPSET ABOUT BECAUSE WE 15SUBSIDIZE YOUR KIDS BY A MILLION AND A HALF PRIVATE DOLLARS. 16THEY DID A SAMPLING OF OUR EXPENSES. HAD THEY DONE A FULL 17AUDIT OF ALL OF OUR EXPENSES, THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND MORE THAN 18$5 MILLION WORTH OF ALLOWABLE COSTS, SO FOR THEM TO THEN HAND 19YOU A SLIP THAT SAYS WE OWE THEM $4,000 INFURIATES ME. I THINK 20IT'S INCOMPETENT, I THINK THEY KNEW IT WHEN THEY GAVE IT, I 21SPOKE TO THE AUDITOR ABOUT THIS, I SPOKE TO D.C.F.S. ABOUT 22THIS, AND THEY CONTINUE TO PERPETUATE THIS MYTH THAT SOMEHOW 23WE OWE YOU $4,000. I THINK WHAT YOU OUGHT TO REALLY BE WORRIED 24ABOUT AND BEGIN TO LOOK AT IS HOW MUCH WE SPENT IN AUDITING 25US. I ESTIMATE THAT THEY SPENT $37,000 TO AUDIT US AND FIND

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1$4,000, AND THAT'S BASED UPON THEY'RE SAYING THEY HAD TWO 2AUDITORS WORKING FOR FOUR WEEKS AT $100 AN HOUR, WHICH I THINK 3IS A LOWBALL ESTIMATE AND PLUNGED TO 3700. 4

5SUP. MOLINA: CAN I RESPOND TO MR. HITCHCOCK? 6

7SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: NO. WE HAVE AN ITEM. THIS IS A 8PARTNERSHIP. I'M NOT TRYING TO CREATE A DEBATE, I THOUGHT IT 9WAS FAIR FOR YOU TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS. WE'RE 10RESPONSIBLE FOR THE KIDS' LIVES OF WE'RE PARTNERS. WE'VE GOT 11SEPARATE ISSUES HERE. ONE, WE HAVE THE ISSUES THAT SUPERVISOR 12MOLINA IS RAISING, WHICH ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, WE HAVE-- 13BUT THIS IS BEING DRIVEN BY SOMETHING THAT'S OUT OF OUR 14CONTROL WHERE THE STATE IS STILL LOS ANGELES COUNTY BOARD OF 15SUPERVISORS AND IT'S PUTTING US AT ODDS. I DISAGREE, BRUCE. 16OKAY? YOU THINK EVERYTHING IS PURE AND SIMPLE? 17

18BRUCE SALTZER: NO, NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT-- 19

20SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES 21TO DEAL WITH. OKAY? SO WE'VE GOT TO MOVE. I HAVE TO LET 22SUPERVISOR MOLINA RESPOND. MR. HITCHCOCK, YOUR AMOUNT IS R- 23$2,600 THAT I KNOW OF. I UNDERSTAND IN THIS PROCESS THAT YOU 24ARE TRYING TO WORK IT OUT. THAT IS A VERY RESPONSIBLE ACTION. 25

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1JOHN HITCHCOCK: NO, I'M NOT TRYING TO WORK IT OUT. I'M TRYING 2TO TELL THE COUNTY THAT I DO NOT OWE THEM THAT MONEY. 3

4SUP. MOLINA: OKAY. LET'S JUST SAY-- AND I'VE HAD THESE DEBATES 5WITH OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL, THAT YOU WANT TO SUBSTANTIATE, AND 6I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LEVEL OF-- 7WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO WORK AND THAT 8PARTNERSHIP SHOULD WORK, BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHEN IT 9IS CLEARLY MONEY, AND WE'RE TALKING 700,000 FOR ONE AGENCY, 10700,000 OF TOTAL DISALLOWED COSTS THAT THEY AGREED WERE 11DISALLOWED, AND WHEN WE STARTED THE PAYMENT PLAN, THEY LEFT 12TOWN. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE 13IN THE ASSOCIATION, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THE ASSOCIATION 14NEEDS TO TAKE UP BECAUSE THIS-- 15

16SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: IT'S NOT OUR AGENCY THAT-- 17

18SUP. MOLINA: THAT, I DON'T KNOW. THE POINT IS, THE POINT IS 19THAT, AGAIN, IT'S HARD FOR US TO TELL KNOW THE GOOD GUYS WHEN 20THE BAD GUYS ARE MAKING YOU ALSO LOOK BAD. THAT'S NOT MY 21INTENT. MY ATTENTION IS TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE 22BOARD BECAUSE WE NEED TO WATCH IT CLOSER. YOU ARE CORRECT. 23THIS IS MONEY THAT RIGHT FULLY GOES TO CHILDREN AND SHOULD BE 24GOING TO CHILDREN, SO MY CONCERN IS-- THERE ARE SOME ISSUES 25AND SOME OF THEM THAT I HAVE RAISED THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED.

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH? 3

4SUP. ANTONOVICH: JUST THE POINT RELATIVE, YOU HAD ONE WHO 5TESTIFIED TODAY THAT THEY OWED $259,000 AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T 6MADE AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO PAY BACK THOSE 7FUNDS. 8

9BRUCE SALTZER: WE DON'T REPRESENT THE RELATIVE HOMES. 10

11SUP. ANTONOVICH: YOU DON'T REPRESENT UNITED CARE? 12

13BRUCE SALTZER: PARDON? 14

15SUP. ANTONOVICH: YOU DON'T REPRESENT UNITE CARE? 16

17BRUCE SALTZER: THAT'S AN F.F.A. THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE HOMES. 18

19SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER. POINT OF 20ORDER, MR. CHAIR. 21

22SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WE CAN GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE OR WE 23CAN MOVE ON WITH THE BUDGET AND TRY TO GO THROUGH THE 24PROBLEMS. WHO OWES WHAT IS A SEPARATE PROBLEM AND I THINK 25SUPERVISOR MOLINA RAISED AN ISSUE. WE STILL HAVE A BUDGET TO

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1ADOPT AND A BUDGET TO PROCESS. [ CLAPPING ] (OVERLAPPING 2VOICES) 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WE'RE COMING BACK IN 30 DAYS. SUPERVISOR 5MOLINA CAN GET THAT ANSWER AND IT'S JUSTIFIED AND POINTS ARE 6MADE, SO LET'S JUST MOVE ON, COME BACK. THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. 7SO ORDERED. 8

9SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: NO, I HAVE A QUESTION. 10

13SPEAKER: I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEFEND THE 14GOOD NAME OF MY AGENCY THAT SUPERVISOR MOLINA CHOSE TO-- 15

16SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: CERTAINLY. BRING IN DINNER. [ LAUGHTER ] 17

18SPEAKER: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, GENTLEMEN. FIRST OF ALL, I OWE, 19AS A RESULT OF AN L.A. COUNTY AUDITOR-CONTROLLER AUDIT, THERE 20WAS AN AMOUNT OF 91,000 THAT'S DETERMINED TO BE UNALLOWABLE. 21THERE WAS ANOTHER AMOUNT, THE BALANCE OF $229,000 WHICH WAS 22DETERMINED TO BE UNDOCUMENTED, AND THE REASON FOR THE 23UNDOCUMENTED IS BECAUSE MY ACCOUNTANT OF FIVE YEARS CHOSE TO 24GO ON A SHOPPING SPREE WITH OUR CREDIT CARD, RUN UP $91,000 IN 25PERSONAL CHARGES AND THEN TO TAKE OUR RECORDS SO WE COULDN'T

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1JUSTIFY THE ADDITIONAL BALANCE. NOW, THAT INDIVIDUAL WAS DEALT 2WITH. THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE OUR DUE PROCESS 3OPPORTUNITY, SUPERVISOR MOLINA, TO MEET WITH THE DEPARTMENT 4WAS DENIED US IN APRIL WHEN SUE HARPER'S OFFICE CALLED US AND 5CANCELED AN APPOINTMENT WE HAD WITH HER TO SIT DOWN AND 6EXPLORE OUR DUE PROCESS RIGHT TO DISPUTE THE CHARGES AND TO 7WORK OUT AN ARRANGEMENT. UNITED CARE IS GOING NOWHERE. WE'RE 8NOT ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES THAT YOU POINTED TO A MOMENT AGO 9THAT YOU SAID DISAPPEARS WHEN WE OWE THE COUNTY MONEY. 10

11SUP. MOLINA: WHERE IS THE RESOLUTION OF THE 229,000? 12

13SPEAKER: WHERE IS THE DUE PROCESS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO 14RESOLVE IT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE 15ASKING FOR. 16

17SUP. MOLINA: MR. CHAIRMAN-- 18

19SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: MR. CHAIRMAN? 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THE POINT BEING IS THAT HE HAD A 22MEETING, IT WAS CANCELED. 23

24SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: POINT OF ORDER HERE. IS THERE A POINT OF 25ORDER HERE? SIR? JUST A MOMENT, SIR. [ OVERLAPPING VOICES ]

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: POINT OF ORDER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A 3SECOND. WE HAVE ONE QUESTION. 4

5SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: I WANTED TO ASK THE C.E.O. QUESTION, BUT 6I'LL LED MR. RIDLEY-THOMAS FINISH. 7

8SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS A DUE PROCESS 9PROCEDURE THAT OUGHT TO BE FOLLOWED. IF IT IS OFF TRACK, WE 10OUGHT TO DO ALL WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ON TRACK. AND I 11CAN'T IMAGINE IF GENERIC REFERENCES WERE MADE, ANYONE WOULD 12FEEL OBLIGED TO SPEAK IN SPECIFIC TERMS ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCE 13WITHOUT HAVING FOLLOWED OR PARTICIPATED IN THAT DUE PROCESS. 14

17SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: SO IF YOU WANT DUE PROCESS, PROTECT 18YOURSELF BY PURSUING THE DUE PROCESS. 19

20SPEAKER: YES, SIR. 21

22SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO DO IT. 23

24SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: EXACTLY. SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY, YOU HAD 25A QUESTION FOR THE C.E.O..

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2SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: I JUST, ON THE RECOMMENDATION YOU'RE MAKING, 3IF I WERE SITTING IN THE AGENCY'S-- STANDING IN THEIR SHOES, I 4WOULD BE ASKING MYSELF, WHAT HAPPENS IN 30 DAYS, WHAT CAN WE 5EXPECT, WHAT CAN WE NOT EXPECT, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T INTEND TO 6MAKE SOMEBODY USE THE PHRASE, MAKE THEM WHOLE, I DON'T KNOW 7WHERE I HEARD THAT, BUT IS IT REASONABLE FOR THEM TO EXPECT 8THAT IN 30 DAYS YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT'S 9GOING TO MAKE THEM WHOLE OR NOT? IF NOT, THEY NEED TO KNOW 10THAT, AND MAYBE IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS TO CALIBRATE THEIR 11SPENDING AND THEIR OWN FISCAL YEAR PLANS, OR IF WE ARE GOING 12TO MAKE THEM WHOLE, THEN THAT, TOO. WHAT'S THE ADVICE YOU 13WOULD GIVE? 14

15C.E.O. FUJIOKA: IF MAKING THEM WHOLE MEANS BACK-FILLING THE 16STATE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. NEED TO STICK WITH THAT 17POLICY. IF-- WE ALSO MENTIONED THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH 18COUNTY COUNSEL. 19

20SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT ONE, WITH RESPECT 21TO-- WITH RESPECT TO THE BACKFILLING THE STATE CUT, DOES THAT 22MEAN THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, WHETHER IT'S BACKFILLING, OR HOWEVER 23THEY WANT TO DESCRIBE IT, IF THEY LOST $100,000, THEY CANNOT-- 24AN AGENCY CANNOT EXPECT, SHOULD NOT EXPECT THAT WE ARE GOING 25TO PUT $100,000 BACK IN TO PLUG THAT HOLE?

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2C.E.O. FUJIOKA: THAT'S ACCURATE. AND THERE WAS ALSO A 3STATEMENT MADE, I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE IT, WITH THE PEOPLE IN 4THE AUDIENCE, BUT WHAT THE LEGAL-- 5

6SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THAT'S A REPORT BACK ON. THAT'S WHY YOU 7CAN HAVE COUNTY COUNSEL MEET WITH YOU, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE 8COUNTY COUNSEL MEET WITH THE DEPARTMENT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE 9GOING TO HAVE COUNTY COUNSEL MEET WITH THE AUDITOR-CONTROLLER. 10

11C.E.O. FUJIOKA: AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING IN THE 12REPORT. 13

14SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: AND TO FINISH THE ANSWER TO MR. 15YAROSLAVSKY'S QUESTION, WHAT SHOULD THEY EXPECT, AND THEY 16SHOULD NOT EXPECT, A PULL BACK. 17

18C.E.O. FUJIOKA: WHAT I DID MENTION EARLIER IS THAT THE 19OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT NEW PROGRAMS OR ADDITIONAL SERVICES, WE 20ADDRESS THAT WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO WORK WITH D.C.F.S. ON 21THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. 22

23SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: THAT WILL ALSO BE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE 24LEGAL ADVICE THAT YOU GET, WHAT'S ALLOWABLE AND WHAT ISN'T 25ALLOWABLE, BUT IT IS NOT LIKELY THAT THE NEW PROGRAMS WOULD

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1EQUAL IN AMOUNT THE AMOUNT THAT THEY LOST. IT'S A QUESTION, 2NOT A STATEMENT. 3

4C.E.O. FUJIOKA: I DON'T WANT TO RAISE-- AND I SAID THAT 5EARLIER ABOUT RAISING EXPECTATIONS UNNECESSARILY HIGH, BUT I 6THINK IT'S WORTH, GIVEN THE CONCERNS I'VE HEARD, IT'S WORTH 7TAKING THE NEXT 30 DAYS TO LOOK AT THIS ISSUE. 8

9SUP. YAROSLAVSKY: BUT THEY NEED TO LOOK AT THEIR SIDE OF THE 10LEDGER, TOO, IS THE MESSAGE, AND I JUST-- I GUESS MY CONCERN 11IS THAT THERE'S NOT ANYTHING VIEWED AS A 30-DAY REPRIEVE AND 12THEN 30 DAYS YOU COME BACK AND HAVING HAD YOUR EXPECTATIONS 13RAISED, YOU'RE THEN 30 DAYS FURTHER INTO THE FISCAL YEAR AND 14THE PRESSURE AND THE REMEDY IS EVEN MORE DRACONIAN. I MEAN, 15YOU HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB FLOODING US WITH LETTERS, THEY'RE ALL 16GOING TO BE ANSWERED, BUT THE LETTERS BACK AND FORTH ARE NOT 17GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, I GUESS, IF WE DON'T COME TO THE 18MOUNTAIN ON THE REAL ISSUE, WHICH IS YOU GOT CUT BY THE STATE, 19WE GOT CUT BY THE STATE, WE ALL GOT CUT BY THE STATE, AND I 20DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LETTERS YOU'VE FLOODED TO YOUR LAWMAKERS 21IN ASSEMBLY, BUT WHEN THEY DID SLASH THE BUDGET, I ALWAYS WARN 22-- ALL OF US WARNED EACH OTHER THAT WHEN IT'S A LOCAL CALL, 23CALL FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TO THE HALL OF ADMINISTRATION, 24IT'S A TOLL CALL TO CALL SACRAMENTO, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO 25WORK THAT WAY THIS TIME, SO I REALLY URGE YOU GUYS TO START

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1LOOKING INWARD BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 100 2PERCENT SATISFACTION IN 30 DAYS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A 5SECOND. AS I RESTATED A WHILE BACK, C.E.O., COUNTY COUNSEL, 6AUDITOR-CONTROLLER AND THE DEPARTMENT MEET AND, YOU KNOW, AT 7SOME POINT, WE WANT THE MEETINGS TO INCLUDE THE ASSOCIATION 8BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY MIGHT KNOW SOME OTHER IDEAS THAT THEY 9MIGHT HAVE AS WELL TOO. OKAY? WITH THAT, SO ORDERED. I WOULD 10ADD, NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, BUT WE DO HAVE A PRETTY BAD FIRE 11GOING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW IN VENTURA COUNTY. A THOUSAND ACRES 12ALREADY. IT'S MOVING STRAIGHT WEST. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WE'RE 13STILL ON ITEM 50. 14

15C.E.O. FUJIOKA: YES, SIR. LET ME GET TO THE MEAT OF THE 16REPORT. I'LL TRY TO BE AS QUICK OR PRECISE AS POSSIBLE. THE 17BASIC RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU APPROVE THE ATTACHED CHANGES 18AND CORRESPONDING APPROPRIATION ADJUSTMENTS, AND AS FOR 19NUMBERS 1 THROUGH 152, WHAT I DO NEED TO READ IN A CHANGE FOR 20ITEM 127 AND 126, AND I'LL GET TO THAT SHORTLY, AND THAT'S TO 21THE FISCAL YEAR 2009/2010 GENERAL COUNTY BUDGET. THESE CHANGES 22WILL TRANSFER 178,199,000 CONTINGENCY BUDGETS FULLY OFFSET BY 23REVENUE AND TRANSFER APPROPRIATION FROM ONE BUDGET UNIT TO 24ANOTHER OR REDIRECT THE EXISTING APPROPRIATION OF REVENUE AS A 25RESULT OF ADMINISTERED CHANGES. NOW, WITH RESPECT TO 27 AND

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1126, IF I CAN READ A CHANGE PLEASE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT 2THE FULL 15.966 MILLION DOLLARS IN ONE-TIME K.D.A. SAVINGS BE 3SET ASIDE IN P.F.U. FOR FUTURE BOARD CONSIDERATION INSTEAD OF 4MOVING 1.423 MILLION INTO D.C.F.S.'S ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET, 5AND WITH RESPECT TO NUMBER 126, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT 6965,000 IN N.C.C. AND THEN THE ELIMINATION OF ONE BUDGETED 7POSITION FROM D.C.F.S.'S ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET BE TRANSFERRED 8TO P.F.U. AS CONTINGENCY FUNDING FOR POTENTIAL CASELOAD 9OVERSIGHT INSTEAD OF WHAT'S STATED, 993,000 AND ELIMINATION OF 10TWO BUDGETED POSITIONS, AND THIS IS A CONCERN FOR 11ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION THAT IS CURRENTLY IN I.C.A.N. GOING ON 12TO THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE RECOMMENDED CHANGES 13AND CORRESPONDING APPROPRIATION ADJUSTMENTS AND THEN LISTED 14UNDER NUMBERS 153 TO 194 TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2009/2010 SPECIAL 15FUNDS AND SPECIAL DISTRICTS BUDGET. I'M NOT GOING TO GO 16THROUGH THE WHOLE REPORT BECAUSE I MENTIONED THAT THE ONE 17CONCERN WE HAVE IS THAT OUR REVENUES ARE STILL-- WE'RE NOT 18SEEING A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE REVENUES, WE'RE NOT 19SEEING IMPROVEMENT SO AS A CONSEQUENCE, WE'RE ASKING THAT WE 20CONTINUE WITH BEING AS CONSERVATIVE AS POSSIBLE AND THAT WE DO 21WHATEVER'S NECESSARY TO SEEK FULL COMPLIANCE WITH OUR FISCAL 22POLICIES AND TO EXERCISE FISCAL PRUDENCE. WE HAVE INFORMATION 23ON THE STATE, SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED SINCE OUR FINAL BUDGET, 24THAT'S WITH RESPECT TO PROPOSITION 1-A. AS YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS 25A ONE-TIME TRANSFER OF APPROXIMATELY 1.3 MILLION IN TRANSFER

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1TAX. SENATE BILL 67 FAILED TO PASS BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE, SO 2AS A CONSEQUENCE, UNLESS LEGISLATIVE ACTION IS TAKEN, THAT THE 3SECURITY AMORTIZATION OF THOSE FUNDS WOULD NOT BE ADDRESSED 4UNTIL MARCH OF 2010. THAT WILL CREATE A CASH FLOW PROBLEM FOR 5US. IT'S AN ISSUE THAT-- 6

7SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEIR INTENT 8TO GO BACK, BE IN SPECIAL SESSION TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. THAT'S 9CLEARLY ON THEIR RADAR. I WAS WITH A FORMER LEGISLATOR THE 10OTHER DAY AND SAW MANY MEMBERS AND TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THAT 11AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET BACK THERE AND TAKE CARE OF THAT. 12

13C.E.O. FUJIOKA: IT IMPACTS EVERY STATE AND CITY IN CALIFORNIA. 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE CAN'T LET UP. 16WE NEED TO REMIND THEM HOW IMPORTANT IT IS, AND IT WILL IMPACT 17EVERY COUNTY AND CITY IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AND I DON'T 18THINK THAT THEY WANT THAT RAP, THEY'VE GOT ENOUGH ALREADY. 19

20C.E.O. FUJIOKA: OUR GENERAL FUNDS, FISCAL YEAR '08/'09 ENDED 21THE YEAR WITH A 1.7 BILLION FUND BALANCE. OF THAT AMOUNT, 1.5 22BILLION WAS ALREADY APPROVED AS FUND BALANCE IN THE FISCAL 23YEAR 2009/2010 ADOPTED BUDGET. TODAY WE'RE ASKING THAT WE MOVE 24178 MILLION DOLLARS TO THE APPROPRIATION FOR CONTINGENCIES. IN 25OUR REPORT, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ACTION, WE

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1STATE WHICH WE USED ON A MATERIAL FUND BALANCE PROCESS OF $151 2MILLION OF THAT AMOUNT, THEN WE FURTHER STATE HOW WE SHOULD 3USE ADDITIONAL FUND BALANCE OF 27.4 BILLION DOLLARS BY SETTING 4SOME ASIDE IN OUR ECONOMIC RESERVES, ONE IS A RAINY DAY 5RESERVE, THE SECOND IS A PROVISIONAL USES OF ECONOMIC RESERVE 6BUDGET. THERE'S ANOTHER 12.5 MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE RECOMMEND 7WE PUT ASIDE IN THE P.F.U. THAT WILL BACK UP SOME OF THE 8REVENUE ASSUMPTIONS FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. WE'VE HAD A 9NUMBER OF REPORTS THAT DETAILS THE STATE BUDGET IMPACT AT THIS 10POINT IN TIME, IT'S ABOUT $150 MILLION IN A REDUCTION IN 11STATE-- WELL, OF THAT 150 MILLION, $147 MILLION REPRESENTS 12REDUCTION IN STATE REVENUES, AND WITH THAT, A.9 REDUCTION IN 13NET COUNTY COSTS. I WILL GO OVER EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS. 14WE'VE SENT A NUMBER OF REPORTS TO YOU AS PART OF OUR 15SACRAMENTO UPDATES AND THE IMPACT IT HAS. WE HAVE A FEW 16CRITICAL ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES, BAT BEFORE I GET TO THERE, I 17MENTIONED EARLIER WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH PROPERTY TAX. PROPERTY 18TAXES, AS WE KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF REASSESSMENTS, WE KNOW 19THAT IT'S FLATTENED OUT FOR US. WE WERE FORTUNATE WHERE IT 20HASN'T TAKEN AS SEVERE A HIT AS SOME OF THE INLAND COUNTIES 21HERE IN CALIFORNIA. WE'VE HAD BASICALLY A ZERO GROWTH, BUT 22IT'S STILL-- I KNOW IN OUR BUDGET, INITIAL BUDGET, WE 23ESTIMATED A MINUS.77 PERCENT, BUT NOW WE'RE AT A ZERO GROWTH 24THAT HAS RESULTED IN SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT WE CAN 25FACTOR INTO THIS BUDGET. BEGINNING OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE

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1CHANGES, WE DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO ADD 5.2 MILLION 2DOLLARS IN FUNDING TO OUR CHILDREN AND FAMILY SERVICES TO 3SUPPORT AN ADDITIONAL 33 POSITIONS THAT ARE CRITICAL TO 4IMPROVING THE OVERALL MANAGEMENT, THE OVERALL PROVISION OF 5SERVICES IN D.C.F.S.. WE FEEL IT WILL GO A LONG WAYS IN 6ADDRESSING SOME OF THE RECENT TRAGIC EVENTS IN D.C.F.S.. 7THERE'S ALSO AN EDUCATION PILOT PROGRAM AND IT'S FOR D.C.F.S. 8AND IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN CONCERT WITH THE FIRST DISTRICT 9TO COORDINATE THE WORK OF SPECIAL EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM THAT 10MONTEBELLO AND POMONA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICTS, AND LAST IS 11THE MONEY THAT SUPPORTED A NUMBER OF CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE 12NEED TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE COUNTY THIS YEAR. DEPARTMENT OF 13HEALTH SERVICES, WE HAVE STAFF FROM THE DEPARTMENT, I DON'T 14KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER THEIR CHANGES, BUT 15THEY HAVE-- THERE'S A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT REFLECT 16THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR D.H.S. OF 3.5 BILLION, FOR 20,098 BUDGET 17POSITIONS AND OF THAT, A NET COUNTY COST APPROPRIATION OF $686 18MILLION. WE GO OVER THROUGH THIS WITHOUT READING EVERY SINGLE 19PAGE. SOME OF THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES THAT ARE CRITICAL TO 20SUPPORT THE DEPARTMENT'S MISSION AND ALSO TO REFLECT SOME OF 21THE PROGRAM AND POSITION CHANGES THAT WE INTEND TO SEND 22FORWARD. IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE SOME HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN 23ABOUT SOME OF THESE CHANGES, AND MOST INSTANCES, YOU'LL SEE 24THE DEPARTMENT IS RECOMMENDING OR ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL 25POSITIONS, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY'RE OFFSETTING THAT REQUEST

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1BY DELETING BUDGETED POSITIONS FOR A NET ZERO COST INCREASE. I 2THINK THE LAST THING I NEED TO HIGHLIGHT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING 3WITH OUR SPECIAL FUNDS IN SPECIAL DISTRICTS, OUR FIRE 4DEPARTMENT AS A CONSEQUENCE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THROUGH THE 5REVENUE THAT SUPPORTS THAT DEPARTMENT SHOWS A NET REDUCTION OF 6$15.1 MILLION IN AVAILABLE FUNDING, AND THAT THE MENTAL HEALTH 7SERVICES ACT REFLECTS AN INCREASE IN APPROPRIATION OF $22 8MILLION FOR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY PROJECTS, AND THAT'S 9ASSOCIATED WITH THE INTEGRATIVE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH INFORMATION 10SYSTEM. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE HIGHLIGHTS. IF YOU HAVE ANY 11QUESTIONS OVER THIS ASPECT OR SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET REQUEST, 12EITHER I CAN ANSWER OR WE HAVE TWO STAFF STANDING BY ALL DAY 13TO ANSWER YOUR ISSUES. 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT 16THIS POINT IN TIME? I KNOW I HAVE A MOTION I'D LIKE TO 17INTRODUCE. THIS WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE ONE. I'LL HAVE MY 18STAFF PASS IT OUT. EARLY 1990S, THE CONCEPT OF A JOINT TASK 19FOR COMPRISED OF ALL COUNTY CODE ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES CAPABLE 20OF ABATING MULTIPLE CODE VIOLATION ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WAS 21INTRODUCED. 2006, THE COUNTY ASSEMBLED THIS MULTI-AGENCY TASK 22FORCE TO WORK TO ABATE VERY DIFFICULT CODE VIOLATIONS AND 23PUBLIC NUISANCE CONDITIONS AT PRIVATE PROPERTY. THAT APPROACH 24BECAME KNOWN AS THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM. THERE ARE 25CURRENTLY 12 OPERATING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. COMPLAINTS ARE

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1REFERRED TO THEM FOR SEVERE CODE VIOLATIONS, SECURITY CONCERNS 2FOR INSPECTION STAFF. WHEN A COMPLAINT IS REPORTED TO 3A.N.A.T., THEY DETERMINE WHICH AGENCY IS NEEDED, THEN THEY DO 4COORDINATION COMMUNICATION. ULTIMATELY IF THE PROPERTY OWNER 5REFUSES TO COMPLY, A CRIMINAL OR CIVIL CASE CAN BE FILED WITH 6THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR COUNTY COUNSEL. SO WITH THIS, MULTI- 7AGENCY COOPERATION, HIGH RATE OF COMPLIANCE IS VALUABLE TO 8HELPING ITSELF. ABOUT 80 PERCENT OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE 9CLEANED UP VOLUNTARILY BY THE OWNERS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE 10A.N.A.T. CONTINUES TO BE A GREAT TOOL. ON MAY 13TH, 2009, THE 11BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DIRECTED THE TO IDENTIFY OPTION TO 12MAINTAINING THIS VITAL PROGRAM. I WOULD THERE MOVE THAT THE 13BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DIRECT THE C.E.O. TO ALLOCATE 1,250,000 14TO THE 2009/2010 DISTRICT ATTORNEYS BUDGET FROM THE 15DESIGNATION TO BE USED SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONTINUING 16THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT TEAM PROGRAM. OKAY. SO ORDERED. 17

18SUP. ANTONOVICH: 273 NEW POSITIONS THAT RECOMMENDED FOR 19D.P.S.S. WILL THEY BE IN ITEMS THAT MAY BE ELIMINATED ONCE THE 20FUNDING IS ELIMINATED AND IF NOT, HOW WOULD THE COUNTY PAY FOR 21THOSE 273 POSITIONS IF THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING? 22

23C.E.O. FUJIOKA: THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL BE IN 24ITEMS OR GRANT ITEMS? 25

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1SUP. ANTONOVICH: RIGHT. 2

3DEBBIE LIZZARI: I WOULD IMAGINE THEY WENT IN AS AN ITEM 4BECAUSE IT'S REVENUE THAT I THINK THAT THEY EXPECT AT THIS 5POINT TO SEE CONTINUED AND NOT A ONE-TIME SOURCE. 6

7SUP. ANTONOVICH: SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE REVENUES TO FUND THEM? 8

9DEBBIE LIZZARI: CORRECT. ADDITIONAL FEDERAL DOLLARS. 10

11SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND HOW WOULD PARK MAINTENANCE BE IMPACTED BY 12THE PROPOSED CUT IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET? 13

14C.E.O. FUJIOKA: HOW WILL PARK MAINTENANCE? THE PARK HAS BEEN 15ASKED TO ADDRESS ANY CURTAILMENTS IN THEIR MAINTENANCE 16FUNCTION BY TRYING TO HIRE FOLKS TO THE T.A.N.F. PROGRAM, AND 17SO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THEN ASK THE PARKS 18COME BACK AND THEY CAN COME BACK WITHIN 30 TO 60 DAYS AND THEN 19ADDRESS THE IMPACT, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THERE WAS AN 20OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE T.A.N.F. PROGRAM TO STILL FULFILL THIS 21NEED. 22

23SUP. ANTONOVICH: DID YOU ENTER ANY FUNDS THROUGH THE 24PRODUCTIVITY QUALITY COMMISSION? 25

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1C.E.O. FUJIOKA: NOT AT THIS POINT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHERE 2WE'RE AT ECONOMICALLY, WE DID NOT INCLUDE SOMETHING IN THE 3SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE COULD ADDRESS. 4

5SUP. ANTONOVICH: WE COULD ASK FOR A LETTER TO YOU TO LOOK FOR 6ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE? 7

8C.E.O. FUJIOKA: WE CAN DO THAT, COME BACK. 9

10SUP. ANTONOVICH: I WOULD MAKE THAT AS A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. 11A LETTER TO THE C.E.O. SEARCHING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS IF THEY 12ARE AVAILABLE. LET ME ALSO ASK THE BUDGET INCLUDES TWO 13ADDITIONAL POSITIONS IN THE OFFICE ON SUSTAIN ABILITY. WITH 14THESE TWO, HOW MANY ARE NOW THERE COUNTY-WIDE FOR 15SUSTAINABILITY, GREEN INITIATIVE IT WAS OR ANY OTHER EFFORTS 16TO REDUCE THE GLOBAL WARMING AND HOW MUCH IS BEING SPENT ON 17THIS EFFORT? QUESTION ON THE NEW POSITIONS IN THE COUNTY 18OFFICES SUSTAINABILITY. 19

20ELLEN SANDT: THESE TWO POSITIONS WOULD BE THE FIRST THAT WOULD 21CREATE THE COUNTY OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY. THEY ALSO HAVE 22SOME POSITIONS THAT THEY HAD HELD VACANT THAT THEY WERE GOING 23TO REASSIGN INTERNALLY, SO IT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF FIVE AND 24THAT WOULD CREATE THE OFFICE. THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, WE'RE HOPING 25TO HEAR BACK FROM THE STATE VERY SOON ON THE GRANT FUNDING

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1BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO USE SOME OF THAT GRANT TO START THE 2LOW INTEREST LOAN PROGRAM SO THAT HOMEOWNERS CAN MAKE ENERGY 3EFFICIENCY PROJECTS IN THEIR HOMES. ONCE THAT PROGRAM IS 4APPROVED, HOPEFULLY, THEN WE'D ANTICIPATE WE WOULD BE COMING 5BACK AND REQUEST ADDITIONAL STAFF TO BECOME PART OF THIS 6OFFICE, TOO. 7

8SUP. ANTONOVICH: AND WHAT IS THE COST OF THIS? 9

10ELLEN SANDT: THE INITIAL PART RIGHT NOW-- 11

12SUP. ANTONOVICH: FIVE POSITIONS? 13

14ELLEN SANDT: WITHIN THE EXISTING BUDGET, THEY'RE BEING FUNDED 15ALREADY, THERE'S NOT A NEW COST. 16

17SUP. ANTONOVICH: THIS WILL BE ASSIGNING PERSONNEL. THE 18SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET ALSO INCLUDES AN INCREASE OF 35 BUDGET 19POSITIONS FOR DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RESOURCES. HOW MANY OF THOSE 20POSITIONS DO THEY HAVE BUDGETED FOR? IS THERE ANY DUPLICATION 21OF EFFORTS BETWEEN THE COUNTY'S CENTRAL HUMAN RESOURCES 22DEPARTMENT AND THE D.H.S.'S POSITIONS? 23

24ELLEN SANDT: LET ME TALK ABOUT THE D.H.A. SIDE OF IT. THE RISK 25MANAGEMENT REPORT WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO YOU ON IN A

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1WEEK OR SO ARE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION 2ABOUT IT. ON THE D.H.R. SIDE, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A 3CONSULTANT STUDY LOOKING AT HOW WE DO EXAMINATION AND 4RECRUITMENT, THEN WE WERE GOING TO PROPOSE THE PILOT PROGRAM 5FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND LOOK TO SEE HOW WE MIGHT ROLL IT 6OUT STAFF AND COUNTY WIDE. 7

8SUP. ANTONOVICH: THE STUDY WILL BE COMPLETED WHEN? 9

10ELLEN SANDT: IN OCTOBER. 11

12SUP. ANTONOVICH: THIS OCTOBER. 13

14ELLEN SANDT: THIS OCTOBER, UH-HUH, AND THEN WE'RE HOPING TO 15HAVE THE PILOT DONE BY DECEMBER HOPES TO DO A PILOT AS AN 16EFFICIENT WAY TO DO RECRUITMENT, AND THEN LOOK BACK TO HOW 17WE'RE STAFFING D.H.R.. 18

19C.E.O. FUJIOKA: IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET REPORT, WE ALSO 20STATE, IT INCLUDES THESE POSITIONS AND OTHER POSITIONS THAT 21WILL BE NEW TO D.H.S. THAT IT'S OUR INTENT WITH THE DEPARTMENT 22TO DELETE A CORRESPONDING NUMBER OF VACANT POSITIONS IN THE 23DEPARTMENTS. NET ZERO INCREASE TO THE DEPARTMENT. 24

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1SUP. ANTONOVICH: WHAT ARE THE JOB TITLES AND THE JOB 2RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE NEW 11 MEDICAL HUBS? 3

4ELLEN SANDT: THAT, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH. MEDICAL HUBS? 5

6SUP. ANTONOVICH: MEDICAL HUBS. 7

8C.E.O. FUJIOKA: WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT COMING UP FOR THAT. 9

10DR. JOHN SCHUNHOFF: SUPERVISOR, I DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS ON 11THOSE 11 POSITIONS, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO TO GET THOSE TO YOU. 12

13SUP. ANTONOVICH: FISCAL OUTLOOK CRIMINALS CHARGES FOR MEDICAL 14MALPRACTICE CASES. WHAT HAS BEEN DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT TO 15ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A CORRECTIVE ACTION ESTABLISHED AS A 16RESULT OF THE MEDICAL MALPRACTICE CASES THAT ARE IMPLEMENT 17COUNTY-WIDE? 18

19DR. JOHN SCHUNHOFF: SUPERVISOR, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TO MAKE 20SURE THAT WHENEVER WE HAVE A CORRECTIVE ACTION IN ONE 21FACILITY, THAT WE LOOK AT THE SYSTEM-WIDE IMPACTS FOR THAT, 22WORKING WITH THE COUNTY COUNSEL AS WE PRESENT THIS TO THE 23CLAIMS BOARD AND THEN TO YOUR BOARD THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE 24TAKE CARE OF AS MUCH OF THE SYSTEM-WIDE ISSUES AS WE CAN SO 25THAT WE AVOID THE SAME PROBLEM IN OTHER PLACES.

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2SUP. ANTONOVICH: YOUR FORECASTS PRESENT A VERY QUESTIONABLE 3FUTURE, FINANCIAL FUTURE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A 256-MILLION- 4DOLLAR DEFICIT FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, WHEN THE PRIMARY 5POTENTIAL SOURCES REVENUE PROVIDER FEE IS IN SUSPENSE TAKEN 6UPON THE ACTION TAKEN BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND YOU HAVEN'T 7INCLUDED THE COST FOR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY IN THE FORECAST 8WHICH WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT AND CRITICAL TO MEETING THE 9DELIVERABLES UNDER A MANAGED CARE APPROACH. SO SOME COSTS HAVE 10BEEN REMOVED FROM THE FORECAST BASED UPON QUESTIONABLE 11ASSUMPTIONS. DEPARTMENT HAS INDICATED THAT THE NEW WAIVER WILL 12PROVIDE ADDITIONAL REVENUES TO ADDRESS THAT DEFICIT, WHILE THE 13DETAILS OF THE WAIVER ARE PRELIMINARY, IT'S CLEAR THAT THE 14DEPARTMENT HAS A DIFFICULT TIME COMPLYING WITH THE IDENTIFIED 15DELIVERABLES DEVELOPED TO DATE, ESPECIALLY ITS ABILITY TO 16PRESERVE SERVICE UNDER A MANAGED CARE MODEL. HOW ARE WE GOING 17TO GET A PROGRAM IN PLACE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE ON TOP OF 18THE SITUATION AND CUT OUR LOSSES? 19

20DR. JOHN SCHUNHOFF: SUPERVISOR, THE VERY FIRST THING WE ARE 21WORKING ON IS THIS HOSPITAL FEE. WE STILL THINK THERE'S A GOOD 22CHANCE THAT THAT WILL COME THROUGH WITH SIGNIFICANT REVENUE 23FOR THIS YEAR. IF IT DOES, THAT WILL HELP US OUT SIGNIFICANTLY 24AND EASE THE PERIOD OF TIME OVER WITH WHICH WE HAVE TO WORK TO 25TRANSFORM THE SYSTEM. IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THE NEXT WAIVER IS

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1GOING TO REQUIRE US TO DO MORE IN THE DIRECTION OF MEDICAL 2HOMES, OF CARE MANAGEMENT, DISEASE MANAGEMENT AND ALL OF THAT 3IS GOING TO REQUIRE US TO CHANGE OUR SYSTEM AS WE GO FORWARD. 4

5C.E.O. FUJIOKA: AND WITH RESPECT TO THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY 6PIECE, AS PART OF A BOARD MOTION, WE PUT TOGETHER A TASK FORCE 7TO WORK WITH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE AND THE INTENT TO REPRESENT 8US NOT ONLY MY OFFICE, D.H.S., AND WE'RE STARTING TO REACH OUT 9TO OTHER PARTNERS IN THIS AREA, THE INTENT IS TO PUT OURSELVES 10IN THE BEST POSITION POSSIBLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE 11A.R.R.A. FUNDS THAT WILL BE BECOMING AVAILABLE SOON FOR 12HOUSING INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. 13

14SUP. ANTONOVICH: DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE CHALLENGES AS A PROVIDER 15UNDER AN EXPANDED MANAGED CARE APPROACH, SO IT APPEARS THAT 16YOU'LL BE ALSO HARD-PRESSED IN THE OPERATION OF THE COMMUNITY 17HEALTH PLAN, WHICH IS FOR THE MOST PART SURVIVING ON AUTO 18ASSIGNMENTS FROM L.A. CARE LESS THAN 25 PERCENT OF ITS MEMBERS 19ENROLLING BY CHOICE, ALSO LESS THAN 35 PERCENT OF C.H.P. 20MEMBERSHIPS ASSIGNED TO COUNTY FACILITIES. WE'RE THREE MONTHS 21BASICALLY INTO THE FISCAL YEAR AND THE BOARD HASN'T RECEIVED A 22COMPREHENSIVE REPORT PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT DEFICIT. WHEN WILL 23WE BE RECEIVING THAT PLAN? 24

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1DR. JOHN SCHUNHOFF: SUPERVISOR, ONCE WE SEE THE OUTCOME OF THE 2HOSPITAL FEE, THEN WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOUR BOARD WITH THE 3C.E.O. TO DISCUSS ANY OPTIONS WE NEED TO FOR THE REMAINDER OF 4THIS FISCAL YEAR. 5

6SUP. ANTONOVICH: WHILE THE C.E.O. HAS DEVELOPED A PLAN FOR 7BELT TIGHTENING FROM THE BUDGET AXE FROM THE STATE CUT DEEPER 8THAN IT HAS ALREADY, SUPERVISOR MOLINA AND I ARE INTRODUCING A 9MOTION FOR FUTURE BUDGET POLICY GIVEN THE UNCERTAIN FINANCIAL 10STABILITY OF THE COUNTY, SO WE'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT THE COUNTY 11BUDGET HAS TRADITIONALLY RELIED ON A VARIETY OF REVENUE 12SOURCES WHICH HAVE RECENTLY BEEN IMPACTED BY ECONOMIC AND 13BUDGETARY CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICE HAS RECOMMENDED THE USE OF 14ONE-TIME RESERVES TO ADDRESS REVENUE DROPS THAT ARE DIRECTLY 15RELATED TO THE NATURE WITH THE CURRENT ECONOMIC DOWNTURN. 16USING ONE TIME FUNDING SOLUTIONS OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME 17LEADS TO A STRUCTURAL IMBALANCE IN OUR BUDGET. IN KEEPING WITH 18THE BOARD'S LONG-STANDING POLICY OF FISCAL PRUDENCE IN 19BUDGETARY DECISION, A PLAN OUGHT TO BE DEVELOPED TO REDUCE 20RELINES ON ONE TIME FUNDS. WE WOULD THEREFORE MOVE THAT THE 21BOARD DIRECT THE C.E.O. TO IDENTIFY ALL ONGOING SERVICES AND 22PROGRAMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY RELYING ON ONE-TIME FUNDING 23SOURCES, TWO, DEVELOP A PLAN TO MITIGATE THOSE SERVICES AND 24PROGRAMS TO ONGOING FUNDING SOURCES IF THE NEED FOR THOSE

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1SERVICES AND PROGRAMS IS TRULY ON-GOING AND, THREE, REPORT 2BACK TO THE BOARD ON THE PLAN IN SIX MONTHS. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: IS THERE A POSSIBILITY SOMEONE COULD 5ENTER THIS ON THE FLOOR OF THE LEGISLATURE? OKAY. MOVED BY 6SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH. SECONDED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY 7MUCH. SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR MOLINA. 8

9SUP. ANTONOVICH: JAY LENO'S CALLING. 10

11SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YEAH, YEAH. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO 12ORDERED. 13

14SUP. ANTONOVICH: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER 15MOTIONS? ANY OTHER ITEMS TO DISCUSS UNDER THIS PARTICULAR 16ITEM? ANYTHING ELSE YOU WEREN'T EXPECTING, BILL? (LAUGHTER). 17

18C.E.O. FUJIOKA: JUST TO WISH DEBBIE THE BEST BECAUSE SHE 19DESERVES THE BEST. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WELL, WE'RE GOING TO FINISH UP THIS 22ITEM. 23

24DEBBIE LIZZARI: APPROVE THE ITEM. 25

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE ITEM. I JUST 2WANTED TO DOUBLE-CHECK BECAUSE MAYBE SOMEBODY HAS A FEW MORE 3QUESTIONS. WE JUST WANT TO SORT OF LIKE APPROVE IT SO THAT-- 4WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE DEBBIE UNCOMFORTABLE. WHAT DO WE WANT? [ 5LAUGHTER ]. 6

7SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WE JUST APPROVED ITEM 50, THEN. IS THAT 8CORRECT? CHAIR WILL MOVE IT. SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR RIDLEY- 9THOMAS. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. NOW, DEBBIE, THANK YOU, 10THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE WISH YOU THE BEST IN RETIREMENT, 11GREAT HEALTH, HAVE FUN. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO MISS TUESDAYS. 12WE WON'T BE SAME TIME WITHOUT YOU. WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE 13DONE FOR THIS COUNTY AND WE WISH YOU GODSPEED. [ APPLAUSE ] 14

15SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: NOW WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR 16RECONSIDERATION OF THE BUDGET. NO, JUST KIDDING. [ LAUGHTER ] 17ALL RIGHT. WE STILL HAVE SOME ADJOURNMENTS AND WE STILL HAVE 18SOME ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. IS THAT CORRECT? 19

20CLERK SACHI HAMAI: YES, WE DO. WE'RE AT YOUR ADJOURNMENTS. 21

22SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WHO SAYS ARNOLD SACHS WOULDN'T WAIT? I 23HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY SEVERAL ADJOURNMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, THAT 24WE ADJOURN IN THE MEMORY OF DEREK AU, SON OF MY FIRST FIVE 25COMMISSIONER, NANCY AU, WHO TRAGICALLY PASSED AWAY ON

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1SEPTEMBER 14TH IN A DROWNING ACCIDENT AS HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO 2RESCUE HIS DAUGHTER. DEREK WAS JUST 45 YEARS OLD. OUR HEARTS 3GO OUT TO NANCY AND THE FAMILY DURING THIS VERY DIFFICULT 4TIME. HE IS SURVIVED BY HIS PARENTS, NANCY AND DOUG, WIFE 5CLAIRE, DAUGHTER MELANIE, SISTER DENISE, TWO NIECES, CAMILLE 6AND LINEA. OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE TRULY WITH THEM. OKAY. 7ALL MEMBERS. ALSO THAT WE ADJOURN IN THE MEMORY OF CARLOS 8BADEL, JR., PASSED AWAY ON SEPTEMBER 12TH AT THE YOUNG AGE OF 956, SURVIVED BY HIS DAUGHTERS MONICA AND MARCELLA, SON NATHAN 10AND FIVE SIBLINGS, 12 NEPHEWS AND NIECES. HE IS THE BROTHER OF 11A GOOD FRIEND AND MEMBER OF OUR FAMILY IN THE COUNTY, GEORGE 12BADEL. ALSO THAT WE ADJOURN IN THE MEMORY OF ELIZABETH 13ARSENIAN, LONG-TIME RESIDENT OF THE OF PALOS VERDES WHO PASSED 14AWAY RECENTLY WITH FAMILY AT HER BEDSIDE. SHE WAS ONLY 68 15YEARS OLD. SHE GREW UP IN BALDWIN HILLS, ATTENDED DORSEY, WENT 16TO PEPPERDINE. SHE LIVES AND WAS VERY ACTIVE IN PALOS VERDES 17FOR OVER 40 YEARS OF SHE WAS VERY INVOLVED WITH THE NORRIS 18THEATRE, HOSPICE, YWCA F SAN PEDRO, LAMP ANS LA NEIGHBORHOOD 19HOUSING. SHE IS SURVIVED BY HER LONG-TIME HUSBAND KEN AND HER 20TWO CHILDREN, HELEN AND KEN, JR.. ALSO THAT WE ADJOURN IN THE 21MEMORY OF JOHN KISER, A LONGSHOREMAN, WHO WAS TRAGICALLY 22KILLED IN AN ACCIDENT WHILE HELPING OFFLOAD A CONTAINER SHIP. 23HE WAS ONLY 53. HE SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY INCLUDING 24VIET NAM AND WAS AWARDED A PURPLE HEART. BECAME AN ENGINEER IN 25THE OIL DISTRICT IN 1997, JOINED THE INTERNATIONAL LONG SHORE

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1WAREHOUSE UNION. HE IS SURVIVED BY HIS WIFE PAMELA, TWO 2DAUGHTERS, TWO GRANDDAUGHTERS, AMANDA AND ANGELA, SISTER KATIE 3AND ALL THE LOVED ONES AT LOCAL 13. FINALLY ADJOURN IN THE 4MEMORY OF RICHARD MICHAEL WEBER, LONG-TIME RESIDENT OF 5BELLFLOWER, SURVIVED BY HIS SONS JOHN AND ROBERT, GRANDSON 6ZACHARY, NUMEROUS NIECES, NEPHEWS, AND COMPANION ETHEL. SO 7ORDERED. I BELIEVE I HELD A COUPLE OF ITEMS. WHERE ARE THEY? I 8BELIEVE I HELD ITEM 14. WAS THAT 14? ITEM 14, THAT WAS 9SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY'S. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT SUPERVISOR 10ANTONOVICH IS VOTING "NO," BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT IN PLACE ON 11THE SENATE SIDE. -- WE'RE JUST APPROVING A CONCEPT? IS THAT 12CORRECT? ITEM 14? IT'S REALLY NOT A BILL IN PLACE, AS I 13UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, SO WE'RE SORT OF-- 14

15SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: THE HOUSE ALREADY PASSED IT AND THE SENATE 16IS CURRENTLY CONTEMPLATING IT. SENATOR BOXER IS CURRENTLY 17CONSIDERING SUCH AND-- 18

19SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: BUT I MEAN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MAY 20DO TO IT OR NOT DO. IT MAY COME BACK TO US. CORRECT? 21

22SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: YES. AND FRANKLY, GIVEN ALL THE GOOD WORK 23THAT WE'VE DONE AS A COUNTY, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT SENATOR 24BOXER IS TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT PURSUANT TO THESE TWO 25VISITS THAT I PERSONALLY HAD WITH HER STAFF AND THEY ARE

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1ECSTATIC ABOUT THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE 2AGENDA, SO IT'S A GOOD THING FOR US TO EMBRACE. 3

4SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT 5WE STILL DON'T KNOW THE GUTS OF IT. WE KNOW WHAT THE HOUSE HAS 6DONE. 7

8SUP. RIDLEY-THOMAS: MAKE REFERENCE TO WHAT WE'VE DONE. THAT'S 9A GOOD THING. 10

11SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: MOVED BY SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS, 12SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY, WITH SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH 13VOTING "NO." SO ORDERED. AND THE OTHER ITEM I HELD WAS 21. 14BASICALLY I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE MOTION, SUPERVISOR 15ANTONOVICH, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS A REQUEST TO 16REPORT BACK 15 DAYS ON ALL ITEMS IN THE MOTION. IS THAT 17CORRECT? 18

19SUP. ANTONOVICH: YES. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: AND IT'S A REPORT ONLY AND NOTHING IS 22BEING PREDETERMINED HERE, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO 23LITIGATION. IS THAT CORRECT? 24

25SUP. ANTONOVICH: YES.

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AT 30,000 3FEET, BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION -- BIGGER PICTURE, WE SHOULD 4HAVE THE C.E.O. AND COUNTY COUNSEL LOOK AT THESE AND GIVE US 5THE PROS AND CONS AND WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSED FOR UPGRADING AND 6HOW THAT SUPPORTS OUR RENEWABLE ENERGY PRODUCT, SO IF THAT IS 7CLEAR, THEN I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. 8

9SUP. ANTONOVICH: REPORT BACK 15 DAYS TO REVIEW. 10

11SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: MOVED BY SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH, SECONDED 12BY SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY. SECONDED. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO 13ORDERED -- WITHOUT OBJECTION-- A SPEAKER? WHERE? I'M SORRY. I 14DIDN'T IT. OH MY GOSH. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ARNOLD SACHS AND RON 15HOWELL. HOWELL IS NOT HERE. ARNOLD SACHS? 16

17ARNOLD SACHS: I'LL PASS ON 29. ON 51-E, I WANT TO SPEAK ON. 18THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. SINCE THIS ITEM DEALS WITH SOUTHERN 19CALIFORNIA EDISON POWER LINES, I WAS HOPING THAT YOU WOULD 20TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIND OUT, BASED ON WHAT GOVERNOR GRAY 21DAVIS, HOW HE HELPED TO RECTIFY THE ENERGY CRISIS, SO-CALLED 22CALIFORNIA WENT THROUGH BY ALLOCATING STATE FUNDS TO BUY 23UTILITY POWER LINES, HIGH TENSION UTILITY POWER LINES SO THAT 24THE PUBLIC NOW OWNS THEM. IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR THE 25PUBLIC EVENTUALLY THEY WILL GET THE BILL TO TAKE THOSE UTILITY

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1LINES DOWN. JUST WHICH UTILITY LINES DUE TO EX-GOVERNOR GRAY 2DAVIS'S BRILLIANT HELP IN BAILING OUT THE UTILITIES WHEN WE 3HAD THE UTILITY CRISIS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM 4GOING TO OCCUR MAYBE WITHIN 10 OR 15 YEARS, WITHIN YOUR 5DISTRICT, SUPERVISOR KNABE, IN REDONDO BEACH WITH THE UTILITY 6PLANTED THERE. 7

8SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: FORMER UTILITY PLANT? 9

10ARNOLD SACHS: FORMER UTILITY PLANT THAT IS STILL IN THE NEWS, 11BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO KNOW, BECAUSE WHEN THAT PLAN-- 12THAT LAND IS REDEVELOPED, AND WHO WOULD THINK THAT SOUTHERN 13CALIFORNIA EDISON MANAGEMENT WOULD END UP GIVING UP THAT 14PROPERTY FOR PENNIES, NOT EVEN PENNIES AND NOT HAVE ANY SAY IN 15WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WHEN THAT LAND IS DEVELOPED AT THE 16OCEAN FRONT, THOSE UTILITY LINES RUNNING FROM THAT PLANT WILL 17BE OBSOLETE AND SOMEBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE BILL TO 18TAKE THEM DOWN, AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT BASED ON WHAT GRAY 19DAVIS DID IN ASSISTING UTILITY COMPANIES, THAT THAT BILL WILL 20EVENTUALLY PUT ON THE PUBLIC. IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW FOR 21SURE. THANK YOU. ITEM 51-E. 22

23SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: ON 21, WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO 24ORDERED. SUPERVISOR YAROSLAVSKY. 25

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1CLERK SACHI HAMAI: CAN YOU APPROVE ITEM 29? 2

3SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: AND 29, MOVED BY SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH, 4SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS. SO ORDERED. 51-E, MR. 5SACHS. 6

7ARNOLD SACHS: 51-E DEALS WITH COUNTY FUNDS FOR THE DEPARTMENT 8OF JUSTICE FOR SECURITY PURPOSES, AND IT'S KIND OF IRONIC THAT 9IN YESTERDAY'S L.A. TIMES, THERE WAS A LITTLE STORY REGARDING 10MONEY FOR NOTHING. THIS IS AN EDITORIAL, $15 MILLION SPENDING 11HOMELAND SECURITY GRANTS BY CALIFORNIA AGENCIES. PART OF THE 12PARAGRAPH DEALS-- OR PART OF THE EDITORIAL DEALS WITH LOS 13ANGELES COUNTY APPARENTLY HAD TROUBLE WITH ITS PAPERWORK. 14ACCORDING TO STATE INSPECTORS REPORTS, THERE WERE RECORDS OF 15392 MODIFICATIONS WITH THREE GRANTS TOTALING $70 MILLION. THE 16HOMELAND SECURITY AUDITORS SAID THAT THIS SHOWS THE COUNTY DID 17NOT HAVE SOUND INVESTMENT JUSTIFICATION, AND I'M QUOTING HERE, 18THERE ARE THEY DID NOT MEET THEIR HOMELAND SECURITY 19OBJECTIVES. THE POINT BEING, THAT YOU HAD AUDITORS UP HERE, 20YOU HAD-- I BELIEVE YOU STARTED THIS MEETING-- TODAY'S MEETING 21OF SUPERVISOR KNABE BY STATING-- EXCUSE ME, I'M GETTING AHEAD 22OF MYSELF, BUT SUPERVISOR MOLINA, YOU HAD AUDITORS HERE 23DISCUSSING PROBLEMS WITH D.C.F.S. PROGRAMS, BUT HERE IT'S KIND 24OF LIKE THAT OLD CARTOON WHERE THERE'S NO FREE LUNCH. YOU GOT 25SMALL FISH IN YOUR SIGHT AND NOW ANOTHER FISH HAS GOT YOU IN

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1YOUR SIGHTS. HOW CAN YOU REALLY JUSTIFY YOUR AUDITING WHEN 2SOMEBODY'S COMING BACK AND SAYING YOUR PROGRAMS ARE FALLIBLE. 3I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BE THROWING-- I MEAN, IT DOES 4BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE STANDARDS, BUT TO THROW ROCKS WHEN YOU 5HOUSE IS CRYSTAL GLASS DOESN'T MAKE FOR SMART MANAGEMENT. 6THANK YOU. 7

8SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOU MAKE ALL THESE ALLEGATIONS. I JUST 9WANT YOU TO KNOW, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE WHAT WE'RE DOING 10HERE TODAY. IT DOESN'T JUST INVOLVE THE CITY OF L.A. AND 11COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES, IT INVOLVES ALL OF THE COUNTIES. THIS 12IS A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE THAT TAKES A LOT OF THOUGHT AND 13PROCESS AND-- 14

15ARNOLD SACHS: SIR, I HAVE NO DOUBTS IN MY MIND. 16

17SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU INSINUATED, 18BUT I LOVE YOU ANYWAY, ARNOLD. 51-E, CHAIR WILL MOVE IT. 19SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO 20ORDERED. SUPERVISOR ANTONOVICH, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE 21ADJOURNMENTS. 22

23CLERK SACHI HAMAI: MR. CHAIRMAN, ALSO BEFORE SUPERVISOR 24ANTONOVICH STARTS, ON ITEM S-1, THAT ONE SHOULD BE A RECEIVE 25AND FILE TODAY.

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2SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: IT DOESN'T NEED ACTION? 3

4CLERK SACHI HAMAI: IT'S A RECEIVE AND FILE. 5

6SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WE'LL RECEIVE AND FILE. SO ORDERED. 7

8CLERK SACHI HAMAI: THANK YOU. 9

10SUP. ANTONOVICH: I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN IN THE 11MEMORY OF MARK WITTENBERG. SOME OF US HAVE WORKED WITH HIM IN 12THE PAST. HE RESIDED IN EAGLE ROCK. HE SERVED AS A SENIOR- 13LEVEL PUBLIC AFFAIRS STRATEGIST FOR JOE CERRELL ASSOCIATES. IN 142006 HE BECAME A PARTNER AT SORRELL. HE PASSED AWAY AT THE AGE 15OF 36. HE PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN THE FIRM'S GROWTH AND WAS 16INVOLVED WITH ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL PRACTICE AREA 17SUSTAINING CITIES, NONPOLLUTING WASTE DISPOSAL AND CLEAN FUEL 18TECHNOLOGY. HE WAS A GRADUATE OF PEPPERDINE UNIVERSITY AND 19UNIVERSITY OF OREGON. HE LEAVES HIS WIFE AND TWO CHILDREN AND 20HIS PARENTS. 21

22SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: MARK WITTENBERG PASSED AWAY AT 36. HE 23WORKED FOR JOE SORRELL. 24

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1SUP. ANTONOVICH: YOU'VE ALL MET HIM. HE'S ON THE ENERGY 2ISSUES. ALSO WALTER GOODEN, WHO WAS BORN IN PANAMA, MOVED TO 3NEW YORK, 1957, BEGAN TO FIX WATCHES AND LEARNED THEIR 4INTRICACIES, FOCUSED ON HIGHER WATCHES. VISIT THE MANY 5FACTORIES IN SWITZERLAND, 1976, HE ESTABLISHED AS ROLEX AS 6MAIN REPAIR SERVICES, WHICH HE EXPANDED BY HIRING TECHNICIANS. 7TODAY THAT COMPANY IS LOCATED IN WEST LOS ANGELES AND HOLDS 8REGULAR SEMINARS FOR WATCH TECHNICIANS. MAIN GOAL WAS TO 9INCREASE DIRECT CUSTOMER SALES. HE PASSED AWAY ON 15TH 10SURVIVED HIS WIFE AND SONS. WORKS FOR THE COUNTY AND MARK, 11DAUGHTER MELISSA AND HIS SISTER AND GRANDSONS AND 12GRANDDAUGHTERS. GARY DISANO, PASSED AWAY AT THE AGE OF 62 13YEARS. HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THIS YEAR'S TOURNAMENT OF ROSES 14PARADE AND WAS ALL SET FOR THE PARADE. THROUGH HIS MORE THAN 1535 YEARS OF SERVICE, HE CHAIRED MANY COMMUNITIES, FOOTBALL 16FLOAT ENTRIES, SPECIAL EVENTS. HE WAS ELECT TO THE 17TOURNAMENT'S EXECUTIVE OFFICE COMMITTEE IN 2002, WAS A 18GRADUATE OF LASALLE HIGH SCHOOL IN PASADENA AND THE UNIVERSITY 19OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND HARVARD SCHOOL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. 20JAMES GRODEN, DISTRICT ATTORNEY FOR 31 YEARS, DEPUTY DISTRICT 21ATTORNEY, PASSED AWAY AT THE AGE OF 6. DEBORAH LOUISE SIMON, 22WHO WAS A GRADUATE OF REGINA CAELI. WENT ON TO BECOME AN 23L.V.N. PASSED AWAY. SHE WAS FROM THE ANTELOPE VALLEY. ROBERTA 24WIDMER FROM RETIRED LOS ANGELES LANCASTER CENTER AND ALSO 25WORKED FOR FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION. RICHARD MACK,

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1RETIRED LOS ANGELES COUNTY DEPUTY SHERIFF, KEVIN ROBERTS 2HARRIS, WHO-- THIS WAS A TRAGEDY. KEVIN WAS SHOT AND KILLED ON 3SEPTEMBER 20TH EXITING HIS CAR IN INGLEWOOD. THIS IS PAT 4GUINN'S GRANDSON. SHE AND I WENT TO EDISON JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL 5MANY YEARS AGO-- JOHN MARSHALL HIGH SCHOOL. GRADUATED FROM ST. 6BERNARD HIGH SCHOOL IN 2006, WAS A BRIGHT MUSICIAN. WAS 7SURVIVED BY PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS, ROBERT, TRISH, BRUCE 8GUINN AND STEP SISTER KERRY. IRVING WILLIAM KRYSTOL, PASSED 9AWAY AT THE AGE OF 89, WAS UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR, WAS LEADING 10ARCHITECT OF THE CONSERVATISM, SERVED IN WORLD WAR II. HIS SON 11IS THE PUBLISHER OF "WEEKLY STANDARD" AND ALSO NEWS COMMENTARY 12MEDIA. IRVING KRISTOL WAS RECIPIENT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL 13OF FREEDOM WHICH WAS THE NATION'S HIGHEST CIVILIAN HONOR, HAD 14THE OPPORTUNITY OF READING MANY OF HIS WRITINGS AND INFLUENCED 15BY MANY OF THE PEERS, INCLUDING WHITSET AND FRAZIER AND A LOT 16OF THE ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL ISSUES. HE WAS A TRADITIONAL 17SUPPORTER OF JUDEO-CHRISTIAN TRADITIONAL VALUES AND SUPPORTED 18FREEDOM OVER ANARCHY AND LIBERTY OVER CHAOS. SO THOSE ARE MY 19ADJOURNMENTS, AND I HAVE TWO MOTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO READ. 20FIRST, THE STATION, MORRIS AND RANCHO PALOS VERDES FIRES 21CAUSED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO FACILITIES AND ROADS THROUGHOUT 22OUR COUNTY, PRIMARILY WITHIN THE ANGELES NATIONAL FOREST. 23AUGUST 28TH, THE GOVERNOR DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY WITH 24OUR COUNTY AND THE C.E.O. OF THE COUNTY PROCLAIMED AND 25DECLARED AN EMERGENCY EXISTED. BOARD RATIFIED THAT

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1DECLARATION. SEPTEMBER 8TH, BOARD ADOPTED RESOLUTION AUTHORIZE 2PUBLIC WORKS TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE EMERGENCY CONTRACTS ON 3BEHALF OF THE COUNTY IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED A TOTAL OF $25 4MILLION TO PROCURE THE NECESSARY EQUIPMENT, SERVICES, SUPPLIES 5FOR THE REPAIRS NECESSARY TO RESTORE ACCESS TO RESIDENTS AND 6BUSINESSES AND TO PREVENT AND REDUCE POTENTIAL FLOODING AND 7DAMAGE DUE TO MUD FLOW. ESTIMATED DAMAGE BY THE PUBLIC WORKS 8INFRASTRUCTURE IS APPROXIMATELY 5.5 MILLION DOLLARS. UPGRADES 9FOR ROADWAY CULVERTS AND DEBRIS BASINS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC 10FROM ANTICIPATED STORMS AND DEBRIS FLOWS ARE NEEDED AT AN 11ESTIMATE 11.2 MILLION DOLLARS. THESE ESTIMATES MAY INCREASE IF 12ADDITIONAL DAMAGE FROM DEBRIS FLOW IS ASSOCIATED WITH FUTURE 13RAINSTORMS OCCUR. WHILE DAMAGE ASSESSMENT IS STILL UNDERWAY, 14TREE REMOVAL CONTRACTS ARE ALREADY AT WORK AND QUOTATIONS FOR 15GUARDRAIL REPLACEMENTS ARE CURRENT BEING SOLICIT. CONTRACTS 16FOR CULVERT UPGRADES WILL BE SOUGHT AS SOON AS INSPECTION OF 17THE 430 LOCATIONS ARE COMPLETED. PUBLIC WORKS IS ALSO 18CONDUCTING SEDIMENT REMOVAL OF NINE FIRE IMPACTED DEBRIS 19BASINS YESTERDAY WITH AN ESTIMATED COMPLETION BY OCTOBER 1ST 20NEXT WEEK. I'D MOVE THAT THE BOARD DETERMINE THERE'S A NEED TO 21CONTINUE THE EMERGENCY ACTION AND THAT EXECUTIVE OFFICER 22CONTINUE TO PLACE THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR THE BOARD TO 23REVIEW EVERY 14 DAYS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PUBLIC CONTRACT 24SECTION OF 22050. 25

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SO MOVED. 2

3SUP. ANTONOVICH: THIS IS A MOTION BY SUPERVISOR RIDLEY-THOMAS 4AND MYSELF. RECENTLY THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES 5INFORMED THE BOARD OF AN EMPLOYEE AT HARBOR-U.C.L.A. MEDICAL 6CENTER RETURNED TO WORK AFTER HAVING TAKEN A PERSONAL LEAVE TO 7SERVE JAIL TIME FOR A FELONY CONVICTION. ALTHOUGH THE 8DEPARTMENT WAS AWARE OF THIS ISSUE IN JUNE, IT WAS NOT UNTIL 9THEY RECEIVED A SUBSEQUENT MEDIA INQUIRY THAT THEY INFORMED 10OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. FURTHER QUESTIONS ARE RAISED 11REGARDING THE DEPARTMENT'S MANAGEMENT OF SITUATIONS LIKE THIS 12IN A TIMELY MANNER CONSIDERING IT TOOK FROM JUNE 29TH TO 13SEPTEMBER 10 TO TAKE ANY DEFINITIVE ACTION. THIS IS ANOTHER 14CASE WHERE THE LACK OF COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO BACKGROUND 15SCREENING HAS LED TO A PROBLEM EMPLOYEE NOT BEING DETECTED. 16FURTHERMORE IT APPEARS THAT THIS WAS NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT 17INVOLVING THIS EMPLOYEE, BECAUSE IN 2005, HE HAD VIOLATED THE 18DEPARTMENT ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY BY DISPLAYING THREATENING 19BEHAVIOR TOWARD A PHYSICIAN AND OTHER CO-WORKERS, INSUFFICIENT 20DISCIPLINARY ACTION WAS TAKEN ALLOWING THE INDIVIDUAL TO 21CONTINUE WORKING IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT WAS A HOSTILE WORK 22ENVIRONMENT FOR HIS COLLEAGUES. WE WOULD THEREFORE MOVE THAT 23THE BOARD DIRECT THE C.E.O. AND THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF HUMAN 24RESOURCES TO EXPEDITE THE COMPLETION OF THE LIFE SCAN 25FEASIBILITY STUDY AND PRESENTATION OF THE PROPOSED ANNUAL

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1CONVICTION ORDINANCE CHANGE TO THE BOARD, INCLUDING THIS 2EXPEDITED TIME FRAME IN THE STATUS REPORT THAT IS CURRENTLY 3SCHEDULED TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD ON OCTOBER 2ND, THAT WE 4CONDUCT INVESTIGATION OF THE INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED IN JULY 52005 TO DETERMINE WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVALUATING THIS 6INCIDENT, RECOMMENDING AND APPROVING THE RELATED DISCIPLINARY 7ACTION. THE REPORT OF THIS INVESTIGATION SHOULD INCLUDE 8RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CORRECTIVE ACTION FOR ANY IDENTIFIED 9PERFORMANCE OR PROCESSED DEFICIENCIES. THREE, CONDUCT A REVIEW 10OF THE ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE DEPARTMENT IN ADDRESSING THE 11CURRENT SITUATION, INCLUDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO ENSURE 12IMPROVED COMMUNICATIONS WITH OUTSIDE AGENCIES AND A GREATER 13SENSE OF URGENCY IN RESOLVING MATTERS SUCH AS THIS. FOUR, WORK 14WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN 15RESOURCES TO REVIEW BEST PRACTICES IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND 16THEN PROPOSED PROTOCOLS FOR REPORTING, CONVICTIONS OF COUNTY 17EMPLOYEES TO DEPARTMENT FOR NOTIFICATION AND, 5, A REPORT BACK 18ON THE ABORT ACTIVITIES PROVIDED TO THE BOARD IN 30 DAYS. SO 19MOVED. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. I'LL CALL 22YOU FOUR AT A TIME. YOU SEEM TO BE HERE ON A SIMILAR ISSUE, SO 23TWO MINUTES, AS WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. MARCELA 24CHARLES, TONETTE HENDERSON. FIRST FOUR SPEAKERS. 25

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1SPEAKER: I'D LIKE TO SAY WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. MARK 2THOMAS, I WANT TO KNOW WHY HAVEN'T YOU COME OVER AND ASKED ME 3AND MY FAMILY HOW WE WERE DOING, HOW WE WERE HANGING IN THERE 4WITH THE DEATH OF OUR LOVED ONE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE-- I WOULD 5LIKE TO SEE JUSTICE SERVED. MY STEPSON, TREVEON, DID NOT 6DESERVE TO DIE THE WAY HE DID, MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD. HE WAS 7NOT CARRYING A WEAPON, AS THEY SAY. THE QUESTION TO WHY HE WAS 8BEING CHASED WAS NEVER ANSWERED BY DEPUTIES. THIS MAKES ME 9SUSPICIOUS THAT THEY'RE COVERING UP SOMETHING. IT IS NOT FAIR 10THAT WE ARE BEING JUDGED BY THE COLOR OF OUR SKIN INSTEAD OF 11THE CONTENT OF OUR CHARACTER OR BY WHAT WE ARE WEARING. THEY 12NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ALL HUMAN FIRST BEFORE WE ARE 13BLACK, WHITE, HISPANIC, AND ET CETERA. MOST KIDS WEAR ONLY 14WHAT THEIR PARENTS CAN AFFORD, SUCH AS A TEE SHIRT OR 15BASKETBALL SHORTS. THEY MAY NOT COME FROM WEALTHY HOMES. FOR 16THIS REASON, THEY HAVE TO DIE? I DON'T THINK THAT IS FAIR. 17THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE BEST CLOTHES. THIS HAS TO STOP. THOSE 18DEPUTIES THAT COMMITTED THE CRIME NEEDS TO DO THE TIME. 19JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED BECAUSE GOD KNOWS ALL AND SEES ALL. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. TANNISHA ERVIN, IF YOU'D JOIN 22US PLEASE. WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, GO AHEAD. 23

24MARCELA CHARLES: MY NAME IS MARCELA CHARLES, AND I'M THE 25MOTHER OF TREVEON RICHARDS, THE 17-YEAR-OLD THAT WAS KILLED

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1OVER THE WEEKEND, AND IT'S JUST INEXPLAINABLE TO ME HOW THE 2FIRST THING THE DEPUTIES TELL ME IS THAT HE PULLED A GUN OUT 3ON THEM, AND ALL THE WAY OVER THERE SAY THAT THEY SHOT MY SON 4AND WHEN HE FELL TO THE GROUND, THEY SHOT HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN 5AND AGAIN. FOUR TIMES AND JUST LEFT HIM THERE BLEEDING AND 6THEN DIDN'T CALL THE AMBULANCE TILL 15 OR 20 MINUTES LATER. I 7DID NOT HAVE A CHILD, RAISE A CHILD TO BE MURDERED ON THE 8ASSUMPTION THAT HE'S A GANG MEMBER OR CARRYING A WEAPON. I 9DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. SHERIFF LEE BACA NEEDS TO DO MORE 10TRAINING WITH HIS OFFICERS OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR 11THAT THREE MURDERS OVER THE WEEKENDS BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT 12AND THEY CONTINUE TO HARASS YOU AFTER YOU'VE LOST YOUR LOVED 13ONE, THEY COME TO THE MEMORIAL SITE, THEY LAUGH AT YOU IN YOUR 14FACE, MAKE LITTLE COMMENTS, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. THANK 15YOU. 16

17SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: CRAIG WOODS, PLEASE. GO AHEAD. 18

19EDDIE JONES: DIDN'T YOU CALL WOODROW BLAIR, JR. 20

21SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YEAH. 22

23EDDIE JONES: HE THAT HAD TO LEAVE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO USE HIS 24MINUTES. 25

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: NO. YOU CAN USE YOUR MINUTES, NOT HIS. 2

3EDDIE JONES: OKAY. WELL, CAN I GO ON? 4

5SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YEAH. I HAVEN'T CALLED YOU YET, BUT GO 6AHEAD. 7

8EDDIE JONES: I'M EDDIE JONES, PRESIDENT OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS 9ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM. GLORIA, MIKE, 10ZEV, DON, MARK, IT'S GETTING OUT OF HAND. THE SHERIFFS HAVE 11KILLED WOODROW PLAYER, JR., AVERY CODY, JR., JARED COLLINS WAS 12SHOT IN HIS BACKYARD WHILE THE FENCE WAS CLOSED. THE OFFICERS 13SHOT THROUGH THE FENCE, SHOOTING HIM IN THE BACK. HE'S DEAD. 14ALL HE DID WAS COME OUT TO WALK SOMEONE TO HIS CAR. TITO IN 15CARSON WAS SHOT DOWN. AN OFFICER SHERIFF WENT UP BEHIND HIM 16AND SHOT HIM SEVERAL TIMES IN THE BACK. ALL THESE SHOOTINGS 17ARE IN THE BACK. THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG HERE. SO WHAT DID I 18DO? I CALLED THE F.B.I. AND I'LL BE AT THEIR OFFICE TOMORROW, 19THEN I'M GOING TO WASHINGTON, D.C.. I'M NOT PLAYING. WE'RE 20GOING TO GET SOME ANSWERS, AND WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO CIVIL 21UNREST. MARK, GLORIA, DON, ZEV, MIKE, WE'RE CLOSE TO CIVIL 22UNREST. I'M TELLING YOU NOW. I'M GIVING YOU A FAIR WARNING. 23THE PEOPLE ARE VERY, VERY UPSET. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TOLERATE 24IT ANYMORE. LEE BACA'S NOT SAYING THE RIGHT THINGS RIGHT NOW 25AND THE COMMUNITY IS IN AN UPROAR. WE HAD THE WATTS RIOT, WE

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1HAD THE RODNEY KING RIOTS WHEN THEY STOMPED AND BEAT HIM AND 2THEY THOUGHT NOBODY SAW, AND NOW IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING 3ABOUT THIS VERY, VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE 42009 RIOTS. SO I'M ASKING YOU, BOARD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO 5RESPOND TO ME NOW, NOBODY'S RETURNED MY CALL YET, BUT SOMEBODY 6BETTER CALL EDDIE JONES, PRESIDENT OF THE L.A. CIVIL RIGHTS 7ASSOCIATION. I MIGHT NOT SEEM LIKE I'M ALL THAT AND A BAG OF 8GOLD CHIPS, BUT I'M THE ANSWER BETWEEN YOU AND THE COMMUNITY. 9YOU'RE NEVER READY FOR AN EARTHQUAKE. NO ONE IS EVER READY FOR 10AN EARTHQUAKE. THANK YOU. 11

12SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. DELOREZ RAMOS, IF YOU'D JOIN 13US, PLEASE. OKAY. NEXT, GO AHEAD. 14

15TANNISHA ERVIN: I JUST WANT TO KNOW, WE ALL WANT TO KNOW-- 16

17SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOUR NAME, PLEASE. 18

19TANNISHA ERVIN: MY NAME IS TANNISHA ERVIN. WHY WASN'T 20TREVEON'S LIFE SPARED? WHY COULDN'T THEY TACTICS WHEN THEY'RE 21IN THE RICH NEIGHBORHOODS? WHY COULDN'T THEY HIT HIM WITH THE 22RUBBER BULLETS, WHY COULDN'T THEY TASE HIM, WHY COULDN'T THEY 23SHOOT HIM IN THE LEG? WHY DID THEY HAVE TO KILL HIM LIKE THAT? 24CAN ANYBODY ANSWER THAT? NO? WELL, WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR THEN? 25

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1SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WE'RE NOT PRIVY TO THE INVESTIGATION. 2

3SPEAKER: (OFF-MIC.) 4

5SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: NO. YES, SIR? 6

7SPEAKER: I'M AVERY CODY, SENIOR. MY SON GOT KILLED JULY THE 85TH. I GUESS THIS IS WHERE IT ALL STARTED. BUT I HAVE 9EVERYTHING ON VIDEO. THEY ALL SAY THAT MY SON WAS-- THEY SAY 10HE ADD A GUN, BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THAT'S A CELL PHONE ON 11VIDEO. NOW I'M A VOICE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT I COME FROM, 12WHICH IS COMPTON, WHICH I ALREADY WENT TO OUR CITY COUNCIL 13MEETINGS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER. THEY TOLD US THAT THEY WAS 14DEALING WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THROUGH A CONTRACT, SO I 15HAVE TO COME TO THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES, WHATEVER, WHATEVER. 16NOW I'M HERE. NOW I'M THE VOICE FOR MY WHOLE COMMUNITY, WHICH 17I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF Y'ALL, TALK TO Y'ALL 18ABOUT THE PASSING OF MY SON BECAUSE NOBODY PROBABLY WOULD EVER 19FEEL MY PAIN, BUT TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, IT'S BEEN TWO 20TEENAGERS KILLED IN COMPTON IN A MATTER OF THREE MONTHS, AND 21THE COMMUNITY IS NOT GOING TO KEEP ACCEPTING IT. EDDIE JONES, 22A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, COME TALK TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT'S 23OLDER. NOW I'M THE NEW FACE OF THE YOUTH. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE 24A WHOLE LOT OF ME. I HOPE THAT Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL 25COULD PREPARE FOR A MICHAEL JACKSON FUNERAL, BUT Y'ALL CAN'T

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1PREPARE FOR WHAT SOCIETY IS GETTING READY TO BRING TO CITY IF 2YOUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT KEEPS KILLING THESE KIDS. IT'S LIKE 3HOW THE SHERIFFS WANT TO GO HOME TO THEIR KIDS, IT'S THE SAME 4WAY HOW WE WANT OUR KIDS TO COME HOME TO US, IT'S THE SAME WAY 5EVERYBODY HAVE A JOB TO DO, YOU'VE GOT TO RESPECT A HUMAN'S 6LIFE, ESPECIALLY A CHILD'S LIFE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FUTURE. 7YOU NEVER DICTATE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO IN LIFE. I KNOW 8THE LAW BECAUSE MY FATHER WAS A POLICE OFFICER, AND THE THINGS 9THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING IS OUT OF CHARACTER. THANK YOU. 10

11SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. I'LL CALL UP MARY CHARLES, 12GWEN MCILROY, SHAZIRE RICHARD. YES, MA'AM. 13

14DELOREZ RAMOS: GOOD AFTERNOON, SUPERVISORS. 15

16SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOU ARE? 17

18DELOREZ RAMOS: I'M SORRY. I'M DELOREZ RAMOS. I KNOW I WASN'T 19CALLED TO OPPOSE ITEM NUMBER 50, BUT AT ANY RATE, I HAVE TWO 20COMPLAINTS TODAY. THE FIRST ONE IS THE INFAMOUS D.C.F.S. AND A 21NEW COMPLAINT OF THE V.A., WHO, JUST LIKE D.C.F.S., ABUSES ITS 22AUTHORITY. CASE IN POINT, AFTER RECEIVING PREAPPROVAL OF A 23VOUCHER, EVERY LAME EXCUSE IN THE BOOK HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME 24WITHHOLDING THAT VOUCHER, NEVER MIND I'M CONSIDERED A NUMBER 25ONE PRIORITY INVESTOR WITH CHILDREN. I'M TOLD AND PREAPPROVED

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1UNTIL CASE MANAGER IS ASSIGNED THAT CAN SEEK OUT HOUSING IN 2THE MEANTIME. SHALL I SEEK HOUSING IN BEVERLY HILLS OR BEL 3AIR? THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE THAN WHAT THE BATCH PROGRAM 4EXPECTS OF ME TO WAIT UNTIL INFINITY. IF THE PROGRAM DOESN'T 5HAVE ANOTHER CASE MANAGERS, THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM. HOWEVER ON 69-21 OF '09 I FOUND OUT WHY I'VE BEEN WAITING. A V.A. WROTE IN 7MY MEDICAL FILES, I WOULDN'T GIVE HER A BATCH VOUCHER FOR MY 8PUPPY. ANOTHER CASE OF NO ACCOUNTABILITY. TO DOCUMENT SUCH 9VENOM ON A GOVERNMENT DATABASE AND PERSONAL COMMENTS WHICH ARE 10INCLUDED ALONG WITH DOCTORS AND A MEDICAL PERSONNEL NOTE 11THAT'S RIDICULOUS. MY SECOND COMPLAINT HAS TO DO WITH 12D.C.F.S., THE LATEST WAR ON MY FAMILY INCLUDES KIDNAPPING BY 13SOCIAL WORK JOCELYN PERRY. ON 9-4-09, JOCELYN, WITHOUT 14AUTHORIZATION FROM CAREGIVER HENRY STEWART, SCHOOL PERSONNEL 15AND AGAINST THE WILL OF MY DAUGHTER AT COWEN ELEMENTARY, 16FORCED HER INTO HER CAR AFTER SCHOOL WHERE MY DAUGHTER WAS 17ILLEGALLY, AS USUAL WITH D.C.F.S. INTERVIEWED WITHOUT THE 18MOTHER OR, IN THIS CASE, THE CAREGIVER PRESENT. CAREGIVER 19WAITED FOR MY DAUGHTER AT A NEIGHBORING SCHOOL DROP-OFF POINT. 20AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, HE BEGAN TO WORRY, SO RATHER 21THAN CALL THE SCHOOL POLICE, HE JUST WENT HOME, WHERE JOCELYN 22JUST STROLLS UP WITH MY DAUGHTER AS IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED. 23

24SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: WRAP IT UP. YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. 25

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1DELOREZ RAMOS: I WOULD LIKE JOCELYN PERRY-- I WOULD BE 2ARRESTED FOR KIDNAPPING IF I HAD DONE THE SAME THING. HER 3BEING A SOCIAL WORKER, SHE SHOULD NOT BE EXONERATED FOR WHAT 4SHE DID. THANK YOU. 5

6SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: SOMEBODY FROM THE DEPARTMENT WANT TO 7MEET WITH THIS LADY RIGHT OVER HERE. OKAY. GO AHEAD. DANA 8PATTERSON TO JOIN US. 9

10MARY CHARLES: MY NAME IS MARY CHARLES. I'M THE GRANDMOTHER OF 11TREVEON RICHARD. I JUST WANT TO SAY, EVERY YOUNG KID OUT THERE 12THAT HAS A WHITE TEE SHIRT ON IS NOT A GANG BANGER, AND IT'S 13JUST TOO MANY KILLINGS, AND THEY ALWAYS SAY POLICE FEAR FOR 14THEIR LIFE. HOW DO THEY FEAR FOR THEIR LIFE WHEN SOMEONE IS 15RUNNING AWAY FROM THEM? THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. THEY 16FEAR FOR THEIR LIFE AND HE WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM THEM, I NEVER 17HEARD OF THAT BEFORE. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU, MR. THOMAS, FOR 18YOUR DEEPEST SYMPATHY THAT YOU DID NOT GIVE TO OUR FAMILY. 19WE'VE BEEN SITTING HERE ALL DAY. 20

21SPEAKER: . HI. MY NAME IS GWEN MCILROY. I'M THE COUSIN OF 22AVERY CODY, JR. AND THE AUNT OF TREVEON RICHARD. I JUST BURIED 23AVERY. NOW WE'RE AT HOME MAKING FUNERAL ARRANGEMENTS FOR 24TREVEON BECAUSE OF POLICE. THEY'RE NOT TRAINED. THEY'RE 25TRAINED TO SET YOU UP, BEAT YOU UP, AND KILL YOU. I'VE BEEN IN

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1LYNWOOD ALL MY LIFE. I'M 42 YEARS OLD. ALL MY LIFE. WE HAD OUR 2OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE HAD OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE 3DIDN'T GO THROUGH THIS. HALF OF THE POLICE IN OUR CITY, 4THEY'RE YOUNGER THAN I AM, SO I KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE TRAINING. 5IT'S WRONG, AND SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. GO ON YOUR COMPUTER, 6HIT THE SWEENEY FIRM, AND YOU'LL SEE HOW THEY GUNNED MY LITTLE 7COUSIN, LITTLE AVERY DOWN. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT ON VIDEO. 8YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HIM LAND ON A COLD SLAB WITH A BULLET HOLE 9IN HIS BACK FROM LEE BACA'S SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, AND HE 10ALWAYS HAS AN EXCUSE FOR THEM. WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THE GANG 11BANGERS DO THIS. I USED TO BE A GANG MEMBER. I USED TO BE A 12GANG MEMBER. I CHANGED MY LIFE. GIVE THOSE KIDS A CHANCE NOW. 13THEY NEED A CHANCE. NOT IF THESE POLICE KEEP KILLING THEM. NOT 14IF THEY KEEP KILLING THEM. 15

16SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: OKAY. YES, SIR. 17

18SHAZIRE RICHARD: MY NAME IS RICHARD AND I'M THE COUSIN OF 19TREVEON RICHARD. WE HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM IN THE STREETS WHEN 20URBAN YOUTH ARE MORE SCARED OF LOS ANGELES SHERIFF'S 21DEPARTMENT THAN THEY IS OF ANY GANG. THEY'RE RUNNING AROUND 22KILLING PEOPLE LEFT AND RIGHT. I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THAT IS A 23COWARD MOVE TO SHOOT A MAN IN THE BACK. I LOST MY 17-YEAR-OLD 24COUSIN WAY TOO EARLY, SHOT DOWN BY A SHERIFF WHEN THEY'RE 25MAKING UP ALL THESE STORIES ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. HAD LEE BACA

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1ON T.V. CALLING HIM A GANG MEMBER, SLANDERING HIM. ONLY THING 2THAT MAY HAPPEN TO THE SHERIFF THAT DID IT IS HE MAY GET A 3PAID LEAVE OF ABSENCE WHEN ME AND MY FAMILY ARE LEFT WITH A 4LIFETIME TO MOURN AND PAIN. I SIT UP HERE AND READ THAT THE 5GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE 6SHALL NOT PERISH. YOU'LL MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THAT DOWN BECAUSE 7IT DOESN'T APPLY ANYMORE, AT LEAST NOT WHERE I COME FROM. THE 8PEOPLE HAVE IT BAD WHERE I'M AT. IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT WE DOPE 9HAVE JOBS AND THE ECONOMY IS ROUGH. NOW WE'VE GOT TO WORRY 10ABOUT GETTING SHOT BY THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO 11PROTECT AND SERVE US. ALL THEY'RE DOING US IS KILLING US AND 12HARASSING US. AND IF THIS PROBLEM KEEPS UP, IT'S GOING TO GET 13A WHOLE LOT WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR 14TIME. 15

16SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: TATANIA RICHARD. TATIANA RICHARD, JOHN 17HENYARD. 18

19TATIANA RICHARD: I'M TATIANA RICHARD, TREVEON'S SISTER. HE WAS 20MURDERED ON MY BIRTHDAY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WHY DO 21PEOPLE GET KILLED BY THE SHERIFF AND WE HAVE TO SUFFER, BUT 22THE SHERIFFS GO HOME, LIVE THEIR LIVES, NOT AS MISERABLE AS 23OURS? I THINK THAT THEY COULD HAVE USED RUBBER BULLETS OR 24TASED HIM, INSTEAD THEY TOOK WHAT THEY WERE GOING THROUGH OUT 25ON HIM. NOW I CAN'T SEE MY BROTHER NO MORE. TRE WAS A LOVING

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1PERSON THAT YOU WOULD ALWAYS LOVE TO BE AROUND. HE MADE YOU 2LAUGH AND I MISS HIM. I WISH HE WAS HERE TO THIS DAY. I DON'T 3BELIEVE THAT ANYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE THE NEXT PERSON'S 4LIFE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MY BROTHER WAS BEING CHASED IN 5THE FIRST PLACE. WHAT CAUSED THE POLICE TO CHASE TREVEON? I 6WILL HAVE MEMORIES ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, MY BIRTHDAY. THAT'S WHEN 7MY BROTHER WAS SHOT. 8

9SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. KEIANA THEN ARNOLD SACHS TO 10JOIN US. OKAY. 11

12SPEAKER: MY NAME IS KEIANA RICHARD AND I'M TREVEON'S SISTER. 13MY BROTHER DIDN'T EVEN MAKE 18 BECAUSE TWO OFFICERS GOT 14TRIGGER-HAPPY. I FEEL THAT THE TWO OFFICERS THAT TOOK MY 15BROTHER'S LIFE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF CONSEQUENCES. IF YOU 16LET THEM GET AWAY WITH KILLING MY BROTHER, THEN THAT MEANS 17THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A 18POLICE BADGE. WHAT IF I WAS AN OFFICER AND I SHOT SOMEBODY IN 19YOUR FAMILY? HOW WOULD YOU FEEL? I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO 20SOMEONE IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THE TWO OFFICERS 21THAT SHOT AND KILLED MY BROTHER DID NOT EVEN APOLOGIZE. 22

23SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. OKAY. THIS CONCLUDES PUBLIC 24COMMENTS. IF YOU WILL READ US INTO CLOSED SESSION, PLEASE. 25

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1SACHI HAMAI, CLERK: IN ACCORDANCE WITH BROWN ACT REQUIREMENTS, 2NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL 3CONVENE IN CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS ITEM NO. C.S.-2, 4CONFERENCE WITH LABOR NEGOTIATORS FUJIOKA, CHIEF EXECUTIVE 5OFFICER AND DESIGNATED STAFF, AND ITEM NUMBER C.S.-3, 6CONFERENCE WITH THE REAL PROPERTY NEGOTIATORS SANTOS H. 7KREIMANN AND RICHARD VOLPERT WITH RESPECT TO A PROPOSED LEASE 8AMENDMENT FOR PROPERTY WITHIN THE MARINA DEL REY SMALL CRAFT 9HARBOR AS INDICATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA. 10

11SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: I THOUGHT THAT ITEM WAS CONTINUED. IT'S 12GOING TO BE CONTINUED. 13

14CLERK SACHI HAMAI: I APOLOGIZE. NO. ON ITEM C.S.-3, THE MARINA 15ITEM, THAT ITEM WILL BE CONTINUED ONE WEEKLY TO SEPTEMBER 1629TH, 2009. THANK YOU. 17

18SUP. KNABE, CHAIRMAN: YOU TELL VOLPERT EARLY? 19 20 21 22 23 24 25

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1 REPORT OF ACTION TAKEN IN CLOSED SESSION SEPTEMBER 22, 2009 2 3

4In Open Session, items CS-1 and CS-3 were continued one week 5to September 29, 2009. 6

7No reportable action was taken on item CS-2. 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25

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1 I, JENNIFER A. HINES, Certified Shorthand Reporter 2Number 6029/RPR/CRR qualified in and for the State of 3California, do hereby certify: 4 That the transcripts of proceedings recorded by the Los 5Angeles County Board of Supervisors September 22, 2009, 6were thereafter transcribed into typewriting under my 7direction and supervision; 8 That the transcript of recorded proceedings as archived in 9the office of the reporter and which have been provided to the 10Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors as certified by me. 11 I further certify that I am neither counsel for, nor related 12to any party to the said action; nor 13in anywise interested in the outcome thereof. 14 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this 7th 15day of October 2009, for the County records to be used only 16for authentication purposes of duly certified transcripts 17as on file of the office of the reporter. 18

19 JENNIFER A. HINES 20 CSR No. 6029/RPR/CRR 21