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Glaucon's Dilemma. the Origins of Social Order
[Working draft. Please do not circulate or cite without author’s permission] Glaucon’s Dilemma. The origins of social order. Josiah Ober Chapter 2 of The Greeks and the Rational (book-in-progress, provisional title) Draft of 2019.09.20 Word count: 17,200. Abstract: The long Greek tradition of political thought understood that cooperation among multiple individuals was an imperative for human survival. The tradition (here represented by passages from Plato’s Republic, Gorgias, and Protagoras, and from Diodorus of Sicily’s universal history) also recognized social cooperation as a problem in need of a solution in light of instrumental rationality and self-interest, strategic behavior, and the option of free riding on the cooperation of others. Ancient “anthropological” theories of the origins of human cooperation proposed solutions to the problem of cooperation by varying the assumed motivations of agents and postulating repeated interactions with communication and learning. The ways that Greek writers conceived the origins of social order as a problem of rational cooperation can be modeled as strategic games: as variants of the non-cooperative Prisoners Dilemma and cooperative Stag Hunt games and as repeated games with incomplete information and updating. In book 2 of the Republic Plato’s Glaucon offered a carefully crafted philosophical challenge, in the form of a narrative thought experiment, to Socrates’ position that justice is supremely choice-worthy, the top-ranked preference of a truly rational person. Seeking to improve the immoralist argument urged by Thrasymachus in Republic book 1 (in order to give Socrates the opportunity to refute the best form of that argument), Glaucon told a tale of Gyges and his ring of invisibility.1 In chapter 1, I suggested that Glaucon’s story illustrated a pure form of rational and self-interested behavior, through revealed preferences when the ordinary constraints of uncertainty, enforceable social conventions, and others’ strategic choices were absent. -
The Birth of Rhetoric: Gorgias, Plato and Their Successors
THE BIRTH OF RHETORIC ISSUES IN ANCIENT PHILOSOPHY General editor: Malcolm Schofield GOD IN GREEK PHILOSOPHY Studies in the early history of natural theology L.P.Gerson ANCIENT CONCEPTS OF PHILOSOPHY William Jordan LANGUAGE, THOUGHT AND FALSEHOOD IN ANCIENT GREEK PHILOSOPHY Nicholas Denyer MENTAL CONFLICT Anthony Price THE BIRTH OF RHETORIC Gorgias, Plato and their successors Robert Wardy London and New York First published 1996 by Routledge 11 New Fetter Lane, London EC4P 4EE This edition published in the Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2005. “To purchase your own copy of this or any of Taylor & Francis or Routledge’s collection of thousands of eBooks please go to www.eBookstore.tandf.co.uk.” Simultaneously published in the USA and Canada by Routledge 29 West 35th Street, New York, NY 10001 First published in paperback 1998 © 1996 Robert Wardy All rights reserved. No part of this book may be reprinted or reproduced or utilized in any form or by any electronic, mechanical, or other means, now known or hereafter invented, including photocopying and recording, or in any information storage or retrieval system, without permission in writing from the publishers. British Library Cataloguing in Publication Data A catalogue record for this book is available from the British Library Library of Congress Cataloguing in Publication Data Wardy, Robert. The birth of rhetoric: Gorgias, Plato, and their successors/ Robert Wardy. p. cm.—(Issues in ancient philsophy) Includes bibliographical rerferences (p. ) and index. 1. Plato. Gorgias. 2. Rhetoric, Ancient. -
Lucan's Natural Questions: Landscape and Geography in the Bellum Civile Laura Zientek a Dissertation Submitted in Partial Fulf
Lucan’s Natural Questions: Landscape and Geography in the Bellum Civile Laura Zientek A dissertation submitted in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy University of Washington 2014 Reading Committee: Catherine Connors, Chair Alain Gowing Stephen Hinds Program Authorized to Offer Degree: Classics © Copyright 2014 Laura Zientek University of Washington Abstract Lucan’s Natural Questions: Landscape and Geography in the Bellum Civile Laura Zientek Chair of the Supervisory Committee: Professor Catherine Connors Department of Classics This dissertation is an analysis of the role of landscape and the natural world in Lucan’s Bellum Civile. I investigate digressions and excurses on mountains, rivers, and certain myths associated aetiologically with the land, and demonstrate how Stoic physics and cosmology – in particular the concepts of cosmic (dis)order, collapse, and conflagration – play a role in the way Lucan writes about the landscape in the context of a civil war poem. Building on previous analyses of the Bellum Civile that provide background on its literary context (Ahl, 1976), on Lucan’s poetic technique (Masters, 1992), and on landscape in Roman literature (Spencer, 2010), I approach Lucan’s depiction of the natural world by focusing on the mutual effect of humanity and landscape on each other. Thus, hardships posed by the land against characters like Caesar and Cato, gloomy and threatening atmospheres, and dangerous or unusual weather phenomena all have places in my study. I also explore how Lucan’s landscapes engage with the tropes of the locus amoenus or horridus (Schiesaro, 2006) and elements of the sublime (Day, 2013). -
Socrates's Great Speech
Forthcoming in the Journal of the History of Philosophy Penultimate draft prior to publication Socrates’s Great Speech: The Defense of Philosophy in Plato’s Gorgias Tushar Irani Abstract: This paper focuses on a neglected portion of Plato’s Gorgias from 506c to 513d during Socrates’s discussion with Callicles. I claim that Callicles adopts the view that virtue lies in self- preservation in this part of the dialogue. Such a position allows him to assert the value of rhetoric in civic life by appealing not to the goodness of acting unjustly with impunity, but to the badness of suffering unjustly without remedy. On this view, the benefits of the life of rhetoric depend on the idea that virtue consists in the power to protect oneself from the predations of others. I argue that by challenging this understanding of virtue as self-preservation, Socrates both deprives Callicles of any remaining justification for the rhetorical life in the Gorgias and, at the same time, makes room for his own defense of the life of philosophy. Keywords: Plato, Gorgias, Socrates, Callicles, philosophy, rhetoric, virtue, the good life, hedonism, self–preservation 1. Introduction My title alludes of course to Callicles’s “great speech” at 482c–486d in the Gorgias.1 That speech, at the heart of the dialogue and almost four Stephanus pages in length, falls into two parts: first, Callicles offers an analysis of what is just by nature in contrast to what is just by mere convention; then, he issues a long diatribe against Socrates and the life of philosophy. The 1 The term “great speech” is commonly used by scholars to refer to the substantial length of Callicles’s speech, rather than to its qualitative merits. -
Did Gorgias Coin Rhetorike? a Rereading of Plato's Gorgias
ISSN 2210-8823 Lexis Num. 38 (n.s.) – Giugno 2020 – Fasc. 1 Did Gorgias Coin Rhetorike? A Rereading of Plato’s Gorgias Maria Tanja Luzzatto Università di Pisa, Italia Abstract Thirty years after E. Schiappa’s self-styled ‘coining-of-rhetorike thesis’, the assumption that rhetorike was invented by Plato in Gorgias (448d) is meeting with in- creasing consensus; yet the foundations of the ‘revised’ approach, besides contrasting with Aristotle’s narrative and all our ancient sources, have never been examined in detail. Indeed, Plato’s Gorgias is our main evidence to the contrary, since an unbiased reading of the dialogue very clearly points to the sophist from Leontini as the teacher who first ‘disciplined’ rhetoric and coined rhetorike. It is my aim to put Gorgias in context, and to reconsider in a different light both his relationship with the earlier logon techne and his statements about speech in Helen. The new discipline’s powerful impact on contem- porary politics seriously alarmed Plato, fuelling his attack against the sophist’s school. Once we put Gorgias back in place, the absence of rhetorike in fifth-century texts is no longer an anomaly, and the missing word is readily found where it might be expected to appear. Keywords Greek rhetorike. ‘Revised’ approach. Gorgias of Leontini. Plato’s Gorgias. Sophistic. Alcidamas. Summary 1 Introduction. – 2 Assessing the Evidence: What Was Gorgias? – 3 Rhetoric- to-be: the Early Books. – 4 Disciplining Rhetoric. – 5 The Missing Word. – 6 Rhetorike, Lost and Found. Peer review Submitted 2020-02-04 Edizioni Accepted 2020-03-20 Ca’Foscari Published 2020-06-30 Open access © 2020 | cb Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International Public License Citation Luzzatto, M.T. -
Plato's Critique of Injustice in the Gorgias and the Republic
Plato's critique of injustice in the Gorgias and the Republic Author: Jonathan Frederick Culp Persistent link: http://hdl.handle.net/2345/972 This work is posted on eScholarship@BC, Boston College University Libraries. Boston College Electronic Thesis or Dissertation, 2008 Copyright is held by the author, with all rights reserved, unless otherwise noted. Boston College The Graduate School of Arts and Sciences Department of Political Science PLATO’S CRITIQUE OF INJUSTICE IN THE GORGIAS AND THE REPUBLIC a dissertation by JONATHAN FREDERICK CULP submitted in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy August 2008 © Copyright by JONATHAN FREDERICK CULP 2008 Plato’s Critique of Injustice in the Gorgias and the Republic Jonathan Frederick Culp Advisor: Professor Christopher Bruell No rational decision can be made concerning how to live without confronting the problem of justice—both what it is and whether it is good to be just. In this essay I examine Plato’s articulation of these problems in the Gorgias and the Republic. Through detailed analyses of Socrates’ exchanges with several interlocutors, I establish, first, that despite some real and apparent differences, all the interlocutors share the same fundamental conception of justice, which could be called justice as fairness or reciprocal equality (to ison). The core of justice lies in refraining from pleonexia (seeking to benefit oneself at the expense of another). Second, according to this view, the practice of justice is not intrinsically profitable; it is valuable only as a means to the acquisition or enjoyment of other, material goods. This conception thus implies that committing successful injustice is often more profitable than being just. -
A Map of Crito (ΚΡΙΤΩΝ)
ΠΛΑΤΩΝ | Plato: Four Dialogues Handout 8 A Map of Crito (ΚΡΙΤΩΝ) 43a–44b After the trial, Socrates’s (wealthy; see Apology 38b) friend Crito visits him in prison. He brings news of his imminent execution. 44b–46a Crito tries to persuade Socrates to escape. Reason 1. The common people (οἱ πολλοὶ, hoi polloi) will think Crito let Socrates down, so the friends’ reputation will be damaged, with bad individual con- sequences. Reason 2. Money is not an issue. Reason 3. Socrates would be welcome abroad. Reason 4. Socrates complies with his enemies; he throws away his life. Reason 5. Socrates irresponsibly betrays his duty to his sons. Reason 6. Socrates is a coward. 46b–50a Socrates replies. To Reason 1: not all opinions have the same value. We should listen to the experts and the wise: the qualified. What matters in the present predicament is the expert on justice, for the question is whether it would be just for Socrates to abscond. Socrates reminds Crito that what is relevant is not merely a life, but a good life, or a well-lived life (τὸ εὖ ζῆν, to eu zên); and the good life is the just life. Socrates also reminds Crito of the long-held belief that one should never (willingly or intentionally) do an injustice (οὐδαμῶς δεῖ ἀδικεῖν, oudamôs dei adikein), and this entails that one should never do an injustice even if one is wronged, or somehow provoked (see Handout 6). Hence, the ‘established hypothesis’: non-retaliation. Doing injustice is doing harm and injury. Likewise for agreements or commitments (τις ὁμολογήσῃ, tis homologêsê): if they are just, one ought to fulfil them. -
COMMENTARY on GERSON ALESSANDRA FUSSI Professor
COMMENTARY ON GERSON ALESSANDRA FUSSI Professor Gerson's paper is in many ways challenging and illuminating. His detailed interpretation of the Phaedo is meant to offer a non question- begging argument on behalf of moral absolutism.1 Accordingly, in the first part of the paper the problem of moral absolutism is addressed in the early dialogues in general and in the Gorgias in particular. In the second part we find an elaborate argument proving that the Phaedo offers a theory of the self that supports Socrates' absolutist claims. In such a theory incarnate souls are merely imperfect images of eternal models. Professor Gerson maintains that the ideal self is nothing but "a knower, self-reflexively contemplating the Forms with which he is cognitively identified" (cf. p. 252). His argument runs as follows: in the early dialogues Socrates claims that it is better to suffer than to do evil. However, it can be objected that suffering evil entails of course suffering pain, while doing evil does not. If I think it is in my interest to take whichever course of action minimizes my pain, I have no reason to accept Socrates' thesis. In fact, my overall interests would be better served by doing, rather than suffering, evil. The question then is: how are we supposed to assess different views of what constitutes human interest? Professor Gerson rightly points out that Socrates cannot merely be claiming that moral absolutism is just a matter of personal preference. He must be claiming that people can be wrong about their own interests. Even if all Athenians disagreed with Socrates, he still would say that they do not know what their true interests are. -
Early Greek Philosophy
P1: GNK/ABS P2: CSS/SCM P3: CSS/SCM QC: ANG/ADS T1: ADS CB162/Long CB162-FM1 January 29, 1999 13:56 The Cambridge Companion to EARLY GREEK PHILOSOPHY Edited by A. A. Long University of California, Berkeley iii P1: GNK/ABS P2: CSS/SCM P3: CSS/SCM QC: ANG/ADS T1: ADS CB162/Long CB162-FM1 January 29, 1999 13:56 published by the press syndicate of the university of cambridge The Pitt Building, Trumpington Street, Cambridge, United Kingdom cambridge university press The Edinburgh Building, Cambridge cb2 2ru, uk http: //www.cup.cam.ac.uk 40 West 20th Street, New York, ny 10011-4211, usa http: //www.cup.org 10 Stamford Road, Oakleigh, Melbourne 3166, Australia c Cambridge University Press 1999 This book is in copyright. Subject to statutory exception and to the provisions of relevant collective licensing agreements, no reproduction of any part may take place without the written permission of Cambridge University Press. First published 1999 Printed in the United States of America Typeset in Trump Medieval 10/13 pt. in LATEX[tb] A catalog record for this book is available from the British Library. Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data The Cambridge companion to early Greek philosophy/edited by A. A. Long. p. cm. Includes bibliographical references (p. ) and indexes. isbn 0-521-44122-6 (hbk.) isbn 0-521-44667-8 (pbk.) 1. Philosophy, Ancient. 1. Long, A. A. B188.C35 1999 182 –dc21 98-38077 CIP isbn 0 521 44122 6 hardback isbn 0 521 44667 8 paperback iv P1: GNK/ABS P2: CSS/SCM P3: CSS/SCM QC: ANG/ADS T1: ADS CB162/Long CB162-FM1 January 29, 1999 13:56 contents Contributors page vii Preface xi Source abbreviations xv Lives and writings of the early Greek philosophers xvii Chronology xxix Map xxxi 1 The scope of early Greek philosophy a. -
The Seductions of Gorgias Author(S): James I
The Seductions of Gorgias Author(s): James I. Porter Source: Classical Antiquity, Vol. 12, No. 2 (Oct., 1993), pp. 267-299 Published by: University of California Press Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/25010996 . Accessed: 21/10/2011 09:11 Your use of the JSTOR archive indicates your acceptance of the Terms & Conditions of Use, available at . http://www.jstor.org/page/info/about/policies/terms.jsp JSTOR is a not-for-profit service that helps scholars, researchers, and students discover, use, and build upon a wide range of content in a trusted digital archive. We use information technology and tools to increase productivity and facilitate new forms of scholarship. For more information about JSTOR, please contact [email protected]. University of California Press is collaborating with JSTOR to digitize, preserve and extend access to Classical Antiquity. http://www.jstor.org JAMES I. PORTER The Seductions of Gorgias SUBLIME RHETORIC WHEN DOESRHETORICAL SUASION transcend itself and become sublime? For an answer, we might look to the author of On the Sublime, who in turnwould seem to be looking back toGorgias, when he writes at the outset of his treatise: Sublimity is a kind of eminence or excellence of discourse.... For grandeur produces ecstasy rather thanpersuasion in the hearer [oi y&a eig 3?Et0i)TOVg &XQOWFoVIOVg AXX' eiS; EXOcaoLv ayeLt xt iUneQpqI];and the combination of wonder and astonishment always proves superior to the merely persuasive and pleasant [xdvTlq6b ye oiVv ixnkFet To, tL0avov xal tov nriog xatLv &a? xQatx xb Oavujtaoov]. This is because persuasion is on thewhole somethingwe can control, whereas amazement and wonder exert invincible power and force [b6vaoriav xai piav &icaXov]and get the better of every hearer... -
Religion and Reconciliation in Greek Cities (2010)
Religion and Reconciliation in Greek Cities AMERICAN PHILOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION american classical studies volume 54 Series Editor Kathryn J. Gutzwiller Studies in Classical History and Society Meyer Reinhold Sextus Empiricus The Transmission and Recovery of Pyrrhonism Luciano Floridi The Augustan Succession An Historical Commentary on Cassius Dio’s Roman History Books 55 56 (9 B.C. A.D. 14) Peter Michael Swan Greek Mythography in the Roman World Alan Cameron Virgil Recomposed The Mythological and Secular Centos in Antiquity Scott McGill Representing Agrippina Constructions of Female Power in the Early Roman Empire Judith Ginsburg Figuring Genre in Roman Satire Catherine Keane Homer’s Cosmic Fabrication Choice and Design in the Iliad Bruce Heiden Hyperides Funeral Oration Judson Herrman Religion and Reconciliation in Greek Cities The Sacred Laws of Selinus and Cyrene Noel Robertson Religion and Reconciliation in Greek Cities The Sacred Laws of Selinus and Cyrene NOEL ROBERTSON 1 2010 3 Oxford University Press, Inc., publishes works that further Oxford University’s objective of excellence in research, scholarship, and education. Oxford New York Auckland Cape Town Dar es Salaam Hong Kong Karachi Kuala Lumpur Madrid Melbourne Mexico City Nairobi New Delhi Shanghai Taipei Toronto With offices in Argentina Austria Brazil Chile Czech Republic France Greece Guatemala Hungary Italy Japan Poland Portugal Singapore South Korea Switzerland Thailand Turkey Ukraine Vietnam Copyright q 2010 by the American Philological Association Published by Oxford University Press, Inc. 198 Madison Avenue, New York, New York 10016 www.oup.com Oxford is a registered trademark of Oxford University Press. All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted, in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or otherwise, without the prior permission of Oxford University Press. -
Plato's Gorgias and the Modern Lawyer
University of Michigan Law School University of Michigan Law School Scholarship Repository Articles Faculty Scholarship 1983 The Ethics of Argument: Plato's Gorgias and the Modern Lawyer James Boyd White University of Michigan Law School, [email protected] Available at: https://repository.law.umich.edu/articles/2105 Follow this and additional works at: https://repository.law.umich.edu/articles Part of the Law and Philosophy Commons, and the Legal Profession Commons Recommended Citation White, James Boyd. "The Ethics of Argument: Plato's Gorgias and the Modern Lawyer." U. Chi. L. Rev. 50 (1983): 849-95. This Article is brought to you for free and open access by the Faculty Scholarship at University of Michigan Law School Scholarship Repository. It has been accepted for inclusion in Articles by an authorized administrator of University of Michigan Law School Scholarship Repository. For more information, please contact [email protected]. The Ethics of Argument: Plato's Gorgias and the Modern Lawyer James Boyd Whitet Plato's Gorgias1 is about the "ethics" of argument in a literal sense of that term (which in Greek means both "habit" and "char- acter") for the main issue to which it returns again and again is the kind of character a person defines for himself and offers to others-the kind of life and community he makes-when he chooses to think and talk in one way rather than in another. This is Plato's concern from the very beginning when Socrates gives Chaerephon the seemingly innocuous, but in fact deeply threaten- t Professor in the Law School, the College, and the Committee on the Ancient Mediter- ranean World, The University of Chicago.