THE SENATE OF PAKISTAN DEBATES
OFFICIAL REPORT
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 (71st Session) Volume IV, No.14 (Nos.1-16)
CONTENTS
Pages 1. Recitation from the Holy Quran…………………… 1 2. Leave of Absence………………………………….. 2 3. Point of Order: • Publication of an Article in the Newspaper Written by an MNA……………………………. 2-15 4. Further Discussion on the Appointment of Leader of the Opposition……………………………………… 16-180
Printed and Published by the Senate Secretariat, Islamabad.
Volume-IV SP.IV(14)/2011 No.14 130 SENATE OF PAKISTAN SENATE DEBATES Wednesday, June 22, 2011
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1 •E 5 ¢4] U B Leave applications. :d…O 2Š @:K B ¡ Ž 2Š @:•@:… ::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E Leave of Absence B B B G 6 q ©4] C c 5 B P U E B :XV :”X 4 E 17 :1[ ? X:€9:Lq ‘4CjV :f9O § >g¨ :< :€94 E ¦ :¥z:z O { 3 b :o9:4 [ :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E B UUBBB 6 B G V 6 B R 6 R PR 6 P :s:€•E ?:Ly :”@X@:LO] •VŠ :L :ª?9:M@:LO C ] :”X \ R @:L • Š :M@:˘L aŒ :L„ :2:KV OO• :¬g:K:M—V ® Q 4[@ • B B B q 6 E V 6 ˚Lei :?X‚ • ::€• ? :9OjV :dLei :s :€y @XE ?Y U • B 6 B ( ( o•l :sV :?X‚•q :€•E ? ) Mr. Chairman: Yes, Leader of the House, please. G B B B B PQ U vE B B U B B P E ‹ P y :1n : Lei : 1O C : M?@2 l ! KO gmjO : f94 j4E :( ”@XO] @: zC 9 ±) ~?9’4R :KO k :g:zO mCOjy :g mjO Oj B B ruling †O C @ earlier :L] :f94 j4E :2 v7 appointment of Leader of the Opposition B 6 R G R 6 R :dLei :~?94[ :o}4 :€F4 :2:M@:Lv7 y :”XY:K] B OP C :>Y:?>@ o} :~Y U BBB 6 PTl B P C B U E B :dKOOS :L• :X:=Y9?:LSiOOC y :”XY:K ] :>Y:Le i :N9 j E :@gO mA ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E Point of order: Publication of an Article in the Newspaper Written by an MNA B B ‹ B 5 PQ 4 B R B P E Pjy :9vjav article †O C @ KO : åThe Newsç :wx@ ! f94 j4E ::~?9’4 :KO k :g:zO mCOjy :g mjO O B 6 U BBG B }R :”935 ?:1„ X] @:”X ] 9 [ :†O C @ article :1O C :dLei concern :o4 :L•Š :L V :House :M@:?>@:´gO mA :X4E :˘Lei ‹ B B B B :´2:L47 ] :”X\R @:KOPQ :M@ she is an MNA from PML (N). Lei : 9™uµ : L ] : ”9B [ We dKOPTS :L auµ derogatory remarks about the Chairman of the Senate B 6 P }R } RB R B } R :KOTS :Lei ?:2:oV4 :?X‘ :fx@:?>@:Lev i :o 4 :2XOO 7 4 F :2?:1 7 ¶Q 9·q :1:oO C 4 @ take a serious notice of this. G B B V B c B ¢V6 P•R E ¢ V B Œ jŠ Chair :s :–94C :”@XO] @:M@:1n :XS i :~g¹H :r9 { 9:X:gOCSi 4 m3 :9:”9 D3CO•Š ?9:ov :=>:Lei 9:˘9v [jP4C :KO :¸ :9:o D :1:KO C O }uµ V uµ ¢• PQ åThe Senate :Lei :o :1O C heading s :M@:?>@ La remarks :LV :… :M@:KO :´?9:L4C V B B B R :X4E :?z@:LC V :M@:‡av :dLe i :9Y:1OC O C title :9 D article :M@:L] :”X\R @ Chairmanãs Partialityç B U PQ V B 6 b¼H PQ P T l uµ as :K O history :s:”93CO•Š ?9:1v n :”X:9Si ja4 :KO :Lei :9O j» V :14 j Š 9q :L ] :M@:X:?>@:K 4 E O S :L •a :L remarks • remarks amounts to :LV :…¢ :M@:2 v7 ruling :s V such Speakers or Chairman U B :2l @ ! KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E contempt of the House and the ruling of the Chair.
2 c ‹ B B ‹ 6 6 B :”XX:r9:1l Š { ¿¶4CO :”@gB 4 m3 :LV :€O•Pjy :½g:1:L À C y :K B 4E :1 n :”>Y:¾2 v7 words :=>:KOOPQ :X] :K 7 Y:f?94[ @:fx@v U B U B t 6 V B 6B ‹ PT c }R 6 :Y‡:sX V :9D :€‘ 9 345:s :”@:2@:1ln :Lei :f9:€4 Cj4y 9q :gO mÁ :~2:1:?>@:K4 7O C O S :L ] X:w>2Si 4 F :o4 :f9z:L 4 C 4 [ V 6 U B P V V‹ y remarks :1O C :K O Q favour s :M@:X:Le] i :9?:2ST V contest :L•Š :L V position :†O C @:s :€ O•POj 6 ¼H U uµ cognizance :9D :M@:X V leadership :s V political party :M@:1n :”X:9Si ja4b :KOOPQ :dK P C 9:L4 [ a B B 6 G R 6 R B :?>@: 9™R : ”Y:B ~2E x@ 9D : €F4 : M@: wx@:4 ddd ddL• šPµ : K OP• cognizance =>: 2l @dLš• ei 9v[ : 9 j OPµ to affect the 9OOjl : 9 C @>2 V publish : wx@:4 XV : M@ by design : ?>@ deliberately 6 ¼H ”XSi :9ja4b :K OPQ proceeding of this House. that the House should take notice of it and I would like to read if the Chair allows me. PT B U E B ˚K O S words :9OjV ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: Sir, åthe Chairman conveniently ignored that status, and as such maliciously disregarded the Senate record to facilitate the appointment of Maulana Haideri as åLeader of the Oppositionç. The Chairman thus exceeded his jurisdiction by exercising powers not rooted in Constitution or validly made rules; in fact, he defied and violated the Constitution and conventions that require him to be neutral and impartial in the discharge of his functions. He is therefore liable to removal from office as well as membership of the Senate for stripping himself of the qualification for being åameenç or åhonestç under Article 62 (f). The Chairman acted with partiality to facilitate the election of Maulana Haideri; for which he not only distorted his own oath but also Article 63A. Sir, these are the remarks about the Chair of the Senate. Nobody approves it and I feel that the House should take notice of it and contempt proceeding should be initiated against the lady who has published this Article. ‹ U B :d€4 E 9¦ :?@Y˘o45 ::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E
3 U 6 G B t6 R ‹ R B PQ U vE B ‹ c ‹ P y :s XSi :f9:L4C ƒ• É:2Y:~?XO7 a :~gO mA :L y :fx@:d12v O C Œ „ ! KO gmjO :f94 j4E :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b gmjO Oj : :svt 9D :?>@:I did confess that I didnãt see the newspaper this morning ?>@:Lei }4R U 6 Ê bc and I will try to Lei in session :o @:M>9ST :1n :Lei :1O C :f94 C :~g® >Y dLei :oQ :L y :fx@:Lv a ` find out whether the MNA is there. I will certainly go into detail why and what is the basis of this thing. Categorically I have stated here B :@?9„ :L] :KOPQ :1n :that you are very magnanimous in your chamber to state B P R‹ :dLei :9™uOC Y:KO • :Y?9 | O] ? So, you voluntarily said that you relied upon the Secretariat. So, as we discussed, I am certainly going to take it up with my colleague G B MNA and :•@:¸9k] @ I will get back to you and give you the findings. Mr. Chairman: The matter is subjudice right now in the House and nobody has the right U 6 B B PT p :9¦ ?:”9O j q dL] 9:94[O j V comment :w‡‰ :M@:2v7 :”@:X] :KO S :oS ?X S i proceedings 2:”9v7 •O R :€4 4E :1 n 6 B B P }R ] Z B R t :L• šµ :o 4 view :9D :fx@v ! €94E¦ :€ 4 O • • :¥ 9–XC q :‡av :˚2:M@:Lev7 i view :9OjV :9 D :fx@v ! €4 E 9¦ :s9?4 C :dK OPTS Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, I think that it is highly uncalled for and May and Kaul are full of citations where a member of the other House can not cast aspersions on any member of the other House of Parliament let alone the Chair, whether it is the Speaker of the National Assembly or it is the Chairman of the Senate, both command the same respect and have to be given that respect by the members of the both Houses. I think this article is uncalled for, particularly, when the Senate itself has seized up the matter and the debate is going on. That is another issue that the matter is subjudice to that extent before the Senate but to bring in disrepute to the Chair of a House, by
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14 6 B ‹ B p ‹ U B :f‡W :~247 :sV :fx@:Kv OPQ ! €4E 9¦ :9–X:dK C qOOPµ :LŠ :K P Q :z · 4] :…:2@:X:”>?Y:S l V B :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B U ‹ PQ jE BãR } 4R D P O • Š B y 6 6 :LV]y :?9Ojv7 :´2:L47 :K:LO :€94E ¦ :¥ O >z j q :˘@X:oSSiO :o :¥:˘Lš` • ’ :K :f9:†@:~g4 CCO C O mA :˘”X i :9 2 V U 6 U B B B B B B 6 R ] B ‹ t P•R 6 B Œ jŠ :d9Z :L] 94 [ :ª:†@:X:w‡4 4 O C ]‰ :M@:d9O j l :X S i é9¦ :9 j P™î :?>@:s9 QC:KO :f9:~g4 O mA :L] :”X\R @:KO :9O j„V :Ò‡W :J9 R B U G U ‹ ^ 6 B PuOC 6 PR ¢V P P v[ :@‡a :J9:9:€RSTD¦4E 9 :z@?:KS T OOO™ Y:d9 j Œ„ :Ø>?:K • :X:oV :K Q ?>@:9Z :L] 94 [ :XSi :ï>g® :1:f@:dLšO C 4 • 7 9‡ Q  :K O ¶ dLei :9Ojl :X Si 6 B ‹ B R B 6 B V PQ 6 Ê•R Š B Pjy :Lƒ• É ”Y:?9 v[ ˘>Y:1n :”X:9Sij[CiS 9:92:1:Kv O C O :X:f9:o ] 4 C v ::~?zOjE :?Xש @z4 j ‘ :9–X:gC q mjO O B B UU6 6 •7 PQ b •\ vR 6 ‹ 6 t P Q R t t B 7P Q U :ov @:KOOOO :dov :†:”>2:f9:?>@:sX:?@2C 474CSi Œ C :K :”XOO •a 9 „ :LV :sx@:X:L` ] 5 :?>@:s:v K @:´@:K :M>9ST :”9 • OR G ‹ BBBBŠ B 6 }R 6 B V t :”9[[Z :sX@:zŠ4j‘ :”9 :1n :9 :”>2:M?@2Vl :Ly :fx@:?>@:”X:92:ov S i C V4 :f?z · q :2:M@v 7 :L y :½‡:s‰ :s?9v C 6 B U B QB ‹ P T B B 6 c t 6 :˘Lei :9OjD„V:r9 :2V :¥:J9R :LV :”@:L ] :”>2:´?94 7 3 SOp :?>@:KS :´?2 l :à?2 47:rgm’ :s9••7 @:´?9 3 Sp :X 4E :˘rX E ‡ c B 6 B B U ‹ V • ]t PQ Š B P Q :½z[ :Ly•]œ :Y?9|O] ?:=>:X:Lš] :@Y@:L :”X \R @:Î9 ÏŠ @:Lš @:sX:2@:K V l OO :´?9:L4 CCCC V :s>:?9:zOOj ×y @:9:K :´?9:L 4 V G B B U Š PQ 6V 5 B ‹ B 6 PQ P C V :Lš• :M@:KO :f9:s4C :”Xƒ3 :”>?Y:1n :Le i :1:M?@2O C l :~g® >Y:d”XS i :=@X E :f?z·q :KOO :2v 7 :M@:dK 94[ :Lš • G B U U ƒ[ • B 7 U Ê R D 6 :ï>g® :MXƒ4[ :Lœ ` :?>@:´g9S T »q :L] :Kz9O C 3jW :o9C4 • :˘r@2:LV ]VÕ 9 3 Ê { :L :L —:M@‡{ av :L y :¥:1:9n ™TR :9?:2S V :dKOPST :La^ ?:2 V ‹ B PPyQµB 6 P µQ P B P U E B :@X:9Si ™O•P4C :”Y:@?9 „ :KOOOO :dK :K :f9:~g4 C O mA :dK :LŠ :K :z·4] :X:M@:V :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 U G B we must conclude it today. 1n 9:LC] 9:X:ï>g:4 [ Si ®debate @?Y:d”X Si B ‹ B ‹ B • V6 bc l R Š B Pjy :éX:9:Lq D] 2:f9:=?9>Y:L`4 C 4 C a :fx@:2@:dLev i :†O ja : :~?zOjE :?Xש @:z4 j ‘ :9–X:gC q mjO O d d KO7 Y B B l 6 c B l 6 |Š B P U E B I ds :XSi :f?94[ @:X V :o Yx@:g S T ! €4 E 9¦C :9–Xq :ds :X:f?9S i4 [C @:¥ 9:X4 V :fx@:v :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E ‹ •P R p :KOP™ O 4C :o}4 :X:g>Y:…:V ¹vR S only want that the debate to be concluded today. B B Í • 7 Ec E | Š :o ‡:oc v @:d´2 V point of order raise 1n :Lei :¸ :9:gD4 m3 :g:dLeS T i :¸ :9:fx@:¥ Dv 9:1:dL4 C O C l B G B 7 ‹ ‹ 6 ^ :wx@:L4 y] @:dKY:LO XSi :ï>g® :€O•4POC Y:1n :Le i :€ y @X E ?Y:1:½g:LO C À y :”X lŠ X:fx@:~v gO mA :dLa ?:point :L V 6 B 6 B DP T Œ }R G PQ 5 B ‹ 7 •E :¥:dKO S :L•„ :L Š :o4 :X:r9V „ :wx@ 4 point of order KOO :´?9:L4C V :”Xƒ3 :”>?Y:dKY:L ] X:…S i B U B 6 6 BBR P P Œ }R •Û Mian :dLei :”Y:”@XvF 9:9vC D :M@:wx@:˚K4O T S :L •l :X:”Y:LS i • P n :X V debate M@:dKO ST :L•„ :L Š :o4 :ª 4 d€4 E 9 ¦ ¥OC z {:o 45:sahib, please continue.
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16 B B B B B B tG ^ 6 B B q PQ P T P • R :1:LC V :?9Oj©q :M@2:?X:sX9:z9v7 ‰] ±„ZOC :=>:˘9:”X aE ?:f9 |] :z jvE :X4 :L • 9 „ :L V :fx@:wx@:Kv 4 O:@z ¡• “ :dK O S :K O :YX 4 Eq X B B B B 6 6 7 B c ¦ P[pt 6 } R G 4R V E :f–9OjE :L• É @:L ] :”@g4 m3 :¥ 9 Ù :´gO mA :Lœ š ` :?>@:Lei :oS ?:s XSi :2:”9v7 •O R :†:oC 4 @:€ F :s :?9Oj©q :; 4 :”X Si G G G • B PQ B 6 EVB V H ˜ PQ B Œ jŠ :1¦ ‡:9WO¦[3C 9:K:”9OO•Š ?9:X:Lv 4E y :€O•Pj :s:K?9:o9 DjO y :†@:1O C n :9:”>2:;ZV X:KV O :KO :Lei :9O j•DV :?9ê @:9 B B B B V B uC B G E B :L•q 9 „ practical difficulties X4E :s :”@:˘K OPTS :La šY :”X] >Y :?@‡:>:€Â 4 OPk] :L] :;4 :?>@:Le i :9|vE :?@2 l 6 B B 6 B 7 •7 6 ^B P t :”@:X] :KO Y ruling ov @:fx@:€v44E :1n :”>2V :9z{ j y @:1:LO C y :fx@:?>@:”X va ?:L •q 9 „ :L V :fx@:X v V :”@:˘KO TS :sx@ B ^ • B 6 B :d :d 9Z :Lš•a ?:‡‚] z:?>g:XQ À V :f9 | ] Mr. Chairman, I will not dwell to a great extent on the factual aspects of the present scenario. I would rather talk more in terms of concepts, in terms of principles and in terms of the parliamentary traditions that should be set so that this issue of the Leader of the Opposition or any such related issue can in future in the light of your ruling be dealt with accordingly. This House and I myself have had the solid experience when for over one year this House remained without a Leader of the Opposition during the tenure of Musharraf, the dictator, although the Opposition was combined but the Chair at that time did not think it appropriate to nominate a Leader of the Opposition. So, I have been tainted with this experience myself and therefore, I will try and move in that light. Mr. Chairman, I am aware that certain issues have been framed by both Mr. Ishaq Dar and Mr. Swati and before I commence and place before you some of the points on which I would be trying to shed light or trying to assist you, let me say that it has been a very difficult task because I have tried to put aside my love and respect for Mr. Ishaq Dar. I have tried to put aside my great reverence for Maulana Haideri and I have also tried to put aside my political prejudices vis-…-vis the PML (Q) to try and assist the Chair in fair manner as is possible on my behalf.
17 Mr. Chairman, the issues on which I would be seeking to address you is number one; whether the Chairman Senate and this is an issue which you had pointed out yourself on the first day, whether the Chairman Senate of Pakistan has the power to review, recall, revisit or amend his ruling, once it has been announced. Number 2, whether Rule 2 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate, 1988 pertaining to the Leader of the Opposition envisages a process of election? 6 B 6 B PC R B U E B :˚9:fx@:9Dv ™R :9O j V :KO :g4 m3 ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Number 3, who constitutes the Opposition members in the Senate of Pakistan? Is it defined in the rules? If not then what is the criterion? Number 4, whether members of a single political party belonging to its parliamentary party in the Senate can claim rights, facilities and privileges other than its parliamentary party? No.5. Whether the members belonging to FATA have a status different to the other members of the Senate? No.6. Whether after the creation of a vacancy, the criterion on which the Chairman, Senate of Pakistan has to form an opinion be changed? Now Mr. Chairman, I would request you to kindly add another point to this. That when did the vacancy occur in the office of the Leader of the Opposition? Finally, Mr. Chairman, what should the order be? Mr. Chairman, straightaway let me take up my first point and that is whether the Chairman, Senate of Pakistan has the power and I would request you to bear with me on these words, review, recall, revisit or amend his ruling once it has been announced.
18 Mr. Chairman: You are using the words of the General Causes Act. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, I will come to that later. Straightaway Mr. Chairman, I would like to take you to Blackãs Law Dictionary, the 6 th Edition. The first word that I am taking up is åreviewç at page No.1320 which says; Review: To re- examine judicially or administratively; a reconsideration, second view or examination, revision, consideration for purposes of correction used specially of the examination of a decision of a lower court or administrative body, by an appellate court or appellate administrative body. Next Mr. Chairman, I would like to take you to the word årecallç and the word recall in Blackãs Dictionary is at page No. 1267. Recall: A method of removal of official in which power of removal is either granted to or reserved by the people. Johns Vs. so and so, a public office may be removed from so and so under transfer to summon and then Mr. Chairman, we would move down and it is recall a judgment, to revoke, cancel, vacate or reverse a judgment for matters of fact when it is annulled by reasons of errors of Law, it is said to be reversed. Mr. Chairman, I would take you to the word åreviseç at page No. 1321. Revise: To review and re-examine for correction. To go over a thing for the purpose of amending, correcting, rearranging or otherwise improving it as to revise statutes or a judgment. Mr. Chairman, now I would take you to the word åamendç at page No. 81. Amend: To change or modify for the better; to alter by modification, deletion or addition. Mr. Chairman, just below
19 that is amendment of judgment. A judgment may be altered or amendedÉ.. Mr. Chairman: How they change the definition also, this is so surprising. In the 5 th edition, the definition is so different. I will just read it out to you. Amendments: åTo improve, to change for the better by removing defects or faultsç. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, I would rely on the one that I have. Mr. Chairman: I am saying how they keep on changing? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, I would read this again. To change or modify for the better; to alter by modification, deletion or addition and just below that is amendment of judgment: A judgment may be altered or amended for appropriate reasons on motion if served within 10 days of the entry of a judgment. Mr. Chairman, lastly I would take you to the word årevisionç at page No.1321. Revision: A re-examination or careful reading over for correction or improvement. Now, Mr. Chairman, I would just pause here for a second and I would ask you kindly to keep in mind these definitions that I have read out before you which are present in Blackãs Law Dictionary. Keeping these in your mind, I concede to the fact that there is no explicit provision provided in the rules that the Chairman can recall or revisit or amend his decision but I would now take refuge Mr. Chairman and request you to look at rule 237 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate, which are your inherent powers. åAll matters not specifically provided for in these Rules and all questions relating to the detailed working of these rules shall be regulated in such manner as the Chairman may, from time to time, directç.
20 I am laying reliance on the meanings of these words as read with your inherent powers under 236 and corresponding provision provided under rule 29 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the National Assembly, where also the Speaker has the inherent powers to go into questions which are not specifically provided for in the rules. Mr. Chairman, next, I would like you to bear in mind that there is a basic standing principle and I need not to go into great details on that because you yourself are a very competent jurist and a very competent lawyer, the basic principle is that the authority that makes an order has the power to review, recall, revise, revision or amend that order. Mr. Chairman, in that you are well aware and you have pointed it out when I started the arguments in the beginning of Section-21 of the General Clauses Act. The General Clauses Act, Section-21 is further backed up and I would lay reliance in terms of case law on 2000 C.L.C, page 1535, I am not reading out these because you are well aware of these and it would be just consuming time of this House, 2000 C.L.C at page 1535, No.2, 2000 C.L.C at page 443, No.3, P.L.D 1991, Lahore at page 230, No.4, P.L.D 1969 Supreme Court at page 407 and next, P.L.J 1983 Lahore at page 1995, next 2002 P.L.C at page 696. Mr. Chairman, I would pause here and say that in most of these judgments with exception of one and why I am saying this that I would try to be as fair as possible. It is said that the power to amend or recall an order rests with the authority provided it has not been made public and a right has not accrued to the other side. Mr. Chairman, now I would most humbly submit that this, in the presence circumstances of the Parliament, is distinguishable. How is it distinguishable because in law there is a consequent
21 remedy which is available in case an order has come and it is a final order, you can go into appeal either before the Supreme Court or the High Court or you can go into an intra court appeal, nonetheless, remedy is available but in terms of Parliament, in terms of the ruling of the Chair, there is no remedy which is available in case the Chair has passed an order and the Chair itself comes to the conclusion that the order has been passed either arraying in law or on a concealment of certain facts which were not before the Chair at that time. Therefore, there is no remedy available because Article 89 of the Constitution prevents a member from going to a court of law because the internal proceedings of the Parliament cannot be taken to a court of law and I would be the last person to support such a proposition that the internal proceedings of Parliament should be taken to court. As I have said that there is no appeal which is available under the rules, therefore, the Chairman has to use his discretion. I would say that the discretion would be based on three issues which he would keep in mind while looking at facts, whether he should go into the ruling which has been given and point No.1 before him would be error patent on the record. No.2 would be disclosures of new facts, No.3 would be important questions of law as this will also create a new precedent. So, therefore, if or any one of these three, it comes to conclusion that there is a certain amount of lacuna which is left in the ruling, therefore, according to me the Chair would use its discretion and would reopen the matter as has been done in this case. Mr. Chairman, further you would also bear in mind that it is within the competence of the Upper House, if a house passes a resolution, this concept is not alien what I am trying to show to you Mr. Chairman, is that this concept is not alien to parliamentary
22 practice, if a House passes a resolution or passes an order, it is within the competence of the House to resend that resolution or to recall its order. So, if you place these in juxtaposition, if the House has the power then the discretion also rests with the Chairman and now Mr. Chairman, I would like to take you to Kaul and I would read to youÉ Mr. Chairman: Mian sahib , when you are discussing Section 21 of the General Clauses Act, what have you to say with regard to the principles of locus paenitentiae? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, I have just addressed that issue with you. Mr. Chairman: Does it come into way or not, the principles of locus paenitentiae? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, that is why I, at very outset after having referred to Section 21, submitted before you that these judgments carry this that the order can be recalled or amended prior to it being announced or it is creating a right. Therefore, I said that this is distinguishable in terms of Parliament and the court of law because in a court of law there is an alternative remedy which is available against that order but in terms of Parliament that remedy is not available because there is no provision under the rules which allows a member to ask for an amendment or recalling the order of the Chairman, No.1. No.2, there is a power of Article 69 that the proceedings of Parliament will not be taken to court and as I said that I would be the last person to support such a proposition that the internal proceedings be taken to the court. Therefore, I have said that practice shows and I am going to read to you from Kaul that practice shows that at times the Chair has used its discretion and I have said that, that
23 discretion can be based on three facts. No.1 that there is an error patent on the recordÉ Mr. Chairman: That is the principle of Civil Procedure Code also as far as the review is concerned, discovery of new documents and the error patent on the face of record. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Yes, sir. Sir that is right what I have said. Sir, error patent on disclosure of these factsÉ Mr. Chairman: This is Order 38 CPC Award, review B B PQ Section 114 but substantive section KO : N9OjE : ´g O mA ˚Lei : order :9k] X:9:V D I do recall.:Lei Order-38 Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: I think itãs 38 and important questions of law is that it will create a new precedent and then I had also placed before the honourable Chairman, the fact that the House, if you want to place in juxtaposition, the Chairman and the House, the House has also the power to resend a resolution or an order that it has passedÉ.. Mr. Chairman: What is Kaul saying? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Now I will come to Kaul sir, and first I would take you to page 120 and this is 5 th Edition, I hope you have the 5 th Edition. Is the book with you Mr. Chairman? Mr. Chairman: One minute please. Yes please. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, it says; the ruling of the Speaker and if you will bear with me. åIt is the right of the Speaker to interpret the Constitution and rules, so far as matters in or relating to the House are concerned, and no one, including the Government, can enter into any argument or controversy with the Speaker over such interpretation.
24 His ruling constitutes precedents by which subsequent speakers, members and officers are guided. Such precedents are collected and in the course of time, formulated as rules of procedure or followed as conventions. The Speakerãs ruling, as already stated cannot be questioned except on a substantive motion and motion is defined in our rules. A member who protests against the ruling of the Speaker commits contempt of this House and the Speaker. The Speakerãs decision is equally binding whether given in the House or on a departmental file. He is not bound to give reasons for his decisions. Members cannot criticize directly or indirectly inside or outside the House, any ruling given, opinion expressed or statement made by the Speakerç. Now Mr. Chairman, the relevant part is: åIf a member desires to make a submission to the Speaker on the floor of the House regarding a ruling, the Speaker may permit the member to do so after satisfying himself that it does not unduly interfere with the proceedings of the House. The member making such a submission cannot criticize the decision but can seek elucidation on any point, or request the Chair to consider the ruling in the light of the facts submitted by himç. Now Mr. Chairman, I would take you to page 122. Am I with you Mr. Chairman? Mr. Chairman: Just a minute, I am noting something.
25 Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, I will give you this as well also. Mr. Chairman: I have quoted it. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: No, no, I will give all of this. I have made a copy for you also. Mr. Chairman: I know, but I have got to make my own notes. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Right sir. Mr. Chairman: Please carry on. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, I take you to page 122, the first paragraph, second line: åThe Speaker is empowered under the rules to correct patent errors in a Bill after it has been passed by the House and to make such other changes in the Bill consequential on the amendments accepted by the House. When a Bill is passed by the Parliament and is in possession of the Houseç. We can escape that and come to the next para. åAll matters not specifically provided for in the rules and all questions relating to the detailed working of the rules are regulated in such manner as the Speaker, from time to time, directs. As already stated, these directions are complied and publishedç. Then we can move on to the next. Mr. Chairman: Which is the relevant portion you want to refer?
26 Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, the relevant portion is that åthe Speaker is empowered under the rules to make correctionsç and then the third paragraph: åThe Speaker is the head of the Secretariat which functionsç. Sir, the relevant part is pertaining to the errors that can be corrected in a Bill. And then Mr. Chairman, I need not go into the question of how important. The ruling of the Speaker is at page 123 but I would then take you straightaway to page 946. Mr. Chairman: Yes. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: The heading is åResiduary and Inherent Powers of the Speakerç. Mr. Chairman: Is it parametric to rule 237 of our rules? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Almost sir, but I would lay reliance on the second para Mr. Chairman. The second para is: åThe Speaker has also certain inherent powers. As stated above, under his inherent powers, the Speaker made observations, from time to time, regarding the presence of Ministers in the House and as a result thereof certain conventions have developed. Under his inherent powers the Speaker may, in certain special cases, allow motions to be moved or withdrawn which are not covered by the Rules of Procedure, may order expunction of words from the proceedings of the House on any ground not provided for in the rule relating to expunction, and may revise or correct a decisionç. Mr. Chairman, this is the important part åand may revise or correct a decision given by him earlierç.
27 Mr. Chairman, as far as the first contention was concerned, this is what I had to submit before you. I would now very quickly move on to the second contention and which is; whether rule 2 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate, 1988, pertaining to the Leader of the Opposition envisages a process of election. Mr. Chairman, I would very quickly, you read it at noisome but I would take you to rule 2, in particular to the rule relating to the Leader of the Opposition and it says: åThe Leader of the Opposition means a member of a House, who in the opinion of the Chairman of the Senate is for the time being the leader of the members in Opposition to the Government in that Houseç. Now, Mr. Chairman, according to me the word åopinionç is very clear that what does that envisage but perhaps where the question arises, where certain amount of doubt arises is, on the wording is for the time being, the Leader of the members in Opposition to the Government in that House. Now the point is, that how does he determine as to who commands the majority. It is unfortunate that the rules are silent in such a case and the Chair can only rely on parliamentary precedents to which I will refer to a little later but according to me Mr. Chairman, that tenor of rule 2 is äascertainmentã. I distinguish between election and ascertainment. According to me it is ascertainment, the tenor of rule 2 is ascertainment. Let us see what makes up an election process and election process is made up of an electoralÉ. Mr. Chairman: Are you trying to distinguish between ascertainment and election?
28 Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Yes sir, this is what I am saying that there is a distinction between ascertainment and there is a distinction between the term election. Mr. Chairman: According to you the rule 2 envisages, ascertainment and not election, your line of argument. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: According to my understanding the tenor of rule 2 is ascertainment and not election. Mr. Chairman: If there is no election, it means there is no voting? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: That means there is no voting, thatãs right sir. I would like you to bear in mind three words; elect, electoral process or college and the word ascertainment. I would once again sir; refer you to Blackãs Law Dictionary, 6 th Edition. I am sorry we would be again at odds on the Edition and I would first of all take you to the term äelectã which is at page in my Edition 519. Itãs at the bottom of the page sir, of 519 in column 2. åA duly qualified voter one who has a vote in the choice of an officer, a constituent one who elects or has the right of choice or who has the right to vote for any functionary or for the adoption of any measure, in a narrower sense one who has the general right to vote and the right to vote for public officers. One authorized to exercise the elective franchiseç and then it goes on. Then I would take you Mr. Chairman, to page 520 and if you look in the book that you have, just after this you have the electoral college.
29 B B B O•7 R ‹‹U •Š R U B :LÉb :L V :Elector dKOP• :9ä 2v7 :L] :fx@:XvV :M@:dL • P š’ `O :¾2 v 7 :fx@:o v }4 :X V :M@::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E }R One of the persons chosen to comprise these electoral dLei :o4 :1O C do45 :dLei :electoral college :f@:4 colleges Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Yes sir, and now we come to the electoral college. The college or body of electors of a state chosen to elect the President and Vice President also, the whole body of such electors composed of the electoral colleges of the several states, and then Mr. Chairman, under that electoral process generic term for method by which persons are elected to public office voting. Then I would take you to the word åascertainmentç and åascertainmentç in my book is at page 114. Sir, this is; Ascertain: To fix to render certain or definite; to estimate and determine; to estimate and determine; to clear of doubt or obscurity; to ensure as a certainty; to find out by investigation. Now, I would be laying reliance to estimate and determine and to find out by investigation. Now, Mr. Chairman, keeping this meaning of äascertainmentã in mind and also keeping the meaning of the elector and the electoral process in the electoral college. Now, when you read this meaning of äascertainmentã with the word åopinionç in rule 2, I think the matter becomes clear, because the word äopinionã again in Blackãs Law Dictionary at page 1092 synchs with this meaning. Now here Mr. Chairman, I would like to pause for a moment and draw your attention to another issue which is linked with this. Mr. Chairman: Letãs read the definition of the word äopinionã. It is very interesting. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: äOpinionã Mr. Chairman.
30 Mr. Chairman: Very interesting definition. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Yes sir. Would you like me to read this. Mr. Chairman: Yes please do that. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: åA document prepared by an attorney for his client embodying his understanding of the Law and as applicable to a state of facts submitted to him for that purpose. Example, an opinion of an attorney as to marketability of land title as determined from a review of the abstract of title and other public records. The statement of a judge or court of the decision reached, in regard to a cause, trial or argued before them. Expounding the law as applied to the case and detailing the reasons upon which the judgment is basedç. And then it goes on to explain the various types of judgments that are.É.. Mr. Chairman: We will have to keep in view the Article that has been published today with the definition of the word äopinionã, whatever the sense of the House will be tomorrow. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: That is right sir. After having said that Mr. Chairman, and where I had asked to pause and this is where I have differed with some of my colleagues that the word äopinionã is not interchangeable with the word discretion because what has been done during the course of the arguments is that the word äopinionã has been made interchangeable with the word ädiscretionã and therefore, I would say that it is not interchangeable because I would take you to page 466 of Blackãs Law Dictionary again. U B ˚Ll :KO7 2V :rely :fx@:2v v7 :;V ::pages are different.:LV :M@::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E
31 Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, Blackãs Law Dictionary page 466 on the word ädiscretionã. U 6 U B I donãt have the sixth edition with Lš•7 9j47 : Word :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E me. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sorry sir, the word is ädiscretionã and the meaning is when applies to public functionaries, ädiscretionã means a power or right conferred upon them by law or acting officially in certain circumstances according to the dictates of their judgment and conscience uncontrolled by the judgment or conscience of others as applied to public offices, correlates action taken in light of reasons as applied to all facts and with view to rights of all parties to actions while having regard for what is right and equitable under all circumstances and law. Now Mr. Chairman, even if we were to say; a) I donãt conceive that it is interchangeable. (b) In the alternative, even if we were to say that yes, it is the discretion of the Chair, although I have tried to show to the honourable Chairman that, that is not the case but in the alternative, even if we were to say that ädiscretion and opinionã are interchangeable then my contention would be that discretion canãt be arbitrary, it canãt be capricious or it canãt be unrestrained; it has to be bounded between rules and within the law and for this Mr. Chairman, I would like to draw your attention, I am sure you are already aware of it, but I would like to draw your attention to SCMR 2010. The citation is at page 301 the relevant head note is at page...... Mr. Chairman: This 2000 SCMR...... Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, SCMR 2001, this is a judgment of my lord honourable Chief Justice, Iftikhar Muhammad
32 Chaudhry, Ch. Ejaz Ahmed and my lord Ghulam Rabbani. The citation is at page 1301, the relevant head note äBã is at page 1302, the relevant portion of the judgment is at 1301 and 1339. Mr. Chairman: This case law is very clear as to that. I just want to ask about this thing, is this your line of argument that the åopinionç and ådiscretionç are the same or they are two different things? I know how the discretion has to be exercised; the case law is very clear as to that. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, my line of argument is, as I have stated earlier, that I believe it is not interchangeable. As has been done, the words åopinionç and ådiscretionç are not interchangeable. They are two different entities according to me in terms of rule 2, pertaining to the Leader of the Opposition; that is No.1. No.2, in the alternative, if the honourable Chairman was to come to the conclusion that the term åopinionç and the term ådiscretionç are interchangeable, then my argument is that if that be so, then discretion cannot be exercised arbitrarily, capriciously or without restraint. It has to be within the confines of law and the rules. Mr. Chairman: åDiscretion has to be exercised judiciallyç, in few words that is what the dictum of the superior court is. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: That is right. That is very correct sir. Thank you for correcting me, I am grateful. In that respect Mr. Chairman, I have cited to you 2010-SCMR and also 1995-SCMR at page 650, the relevant portion being at page 657 and 659. Now, Mr. Chairman, after having said that very quickly, the next source before you is precedents. Now, what are the
33 precedents in respect of appointment of the Leader of the Opposition in our own Parliament? No.1, if we would very quickly go on to the National Assembly first of all, from 7-7-1955 to 2-3- 1969, the National Assembly saw four Leaders of the Opposition, Mr. Hussain Shaheed Suhrawardy, Mr. I.I. Chundrigar, Sardar Bahadar Khan and Mr. Noor-ul-Amin. Unfortunately, there is no record available with the National Assembly because they say that this record was burnt at the time of the creation of Bangladesh. Then Mr. Chairman, we move on to 1973. In 1973, there was no provision in the Rules of Procedure of the National Assembly or in the Constitution of 1973 for the appointment of the Leader of the Opposition but due to the definition provided in Section 2(f) which has already been referred to, of the Members of Parliament (Salaries and Allowances) Act, 1974, the right honourable Mr. Abdul Wali Khan, was appointed as Leader of the Opposition, on the basis of a letter. There were no signatures, nothing attached, it was on the basis of a letter. Subsequently, when he was arrested, an application was made with no signatures attached, and on the basis of that application, Maulana Mufti Mahmood sahib was appointed as the Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly. Mr. Chairman: Those were the good days. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Those were the good days. In 1985, a controversy arose to the effect that the House had been elected on a non-party basis; you would recall Mr. Chairman, and whether a parliamentary group representing the Opposition could be formed in such a House which had been elected on a non-partisan base. This discussion continued within the Secretariat of the National Assembly. It was referred to the Ministry of Law.
34 There is no record showing that the Ministry of Law responded on this question. The record does show that the National Assembly Secretariat held that yes, for the efficient functioning of the National Assembly, it is desirable that there be a treasury benches and there be an opposition benches and as a consequence of that, Haji Muhammad Saifullah Khan and subsequently, the right honourable Syed Fakhar Imam sahib became Leaders of the Opposition in the National Assembly from 1985 to 1988. The definition of the Leader of the Opposition was first introduced in the Rules of Procedure of the National Assembly in 1992 which is the same as it prevails today. As a consequence of this, Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto from 1990 to 1993, Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif sahib from 1993 to 1996, and again Mohtarma from 1997 to 1999 became Leaders of the Opposition. Mr. Chairman, again, it was merely a letter, there were no signatures attached and it was stated that they command the majority of the members sitting in the Opposition. I didnãt want to raise this question but since it was raised yesterday, I will have to go into a little bit of detail. In 2004, during the period of General Musharraf, the ARD made an application that it commands the majority of the members in the Opposition and therefore, the Leader of the Opposition should be Muhammad Amin Faheem. Now you would recall, I have already pointed out to you that the rules have been framed with regard to the Leader of the Opposition, opinion of the Speaker who commands the majority. Then the Speaker applied but what happened was that the ARD gave their number, I donãt recall the number but I think it was 79. The MMA gave their number, I donãt recall the number but I confirmÉÉ. which was 68. I would request to you Mr. Chairman to kindly ask for the record from the National Assembly on this basis
35 because this was argued at great length on the question of a single party. So therefore, I would request you to get the record from the National Assembly because there is not ruling of the Speaker on this question. Mr. Chairman: The word åsingle partyç has only been used in Article 63A of the Constitution and not anywhere else. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: That is correct sir, butÉÉÉÉÉ. Mr. Chairman: So, have you got to look in the word åsingle partyç vis-…-vis the contents of Article 63A only or as a general? That is another point which is coming to my mind. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, I will try and satisfy the honourable Chairman on that issue as well but since this issue by a number of colleagues of mine, has been raised that in the determinationÉÉ. Mr. Chairman: Another thing we should look into it B B B R R‹ R :@?Y:fx@:ov }4 :XV :Clause 2:sV :Article 63 (A) dKOPST :L] 2V :argument :o}4 :L] :€4 E 9¦ :?@Y:o } 4 @ ‹ you can kindly look into it, Article 63 (A) Clause 2.˘KOPä 2 v7 Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Mr. Chairman, what was happened. As have I said, I would request you to kindly get that record. ‹ y PT 6 V B P U E B can we !€94 E ¦ :~227 ŒOj :dKO S :Lei ?:2:f9:s: V 4 C record fx@:v :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E B V 6 P[ :s:f9:L4C] :€94 E ¦ :”9O j q :Lš`: œ call for the record from the National Assembly Š B dLš• `FO• :@XÔjq :˚Le i B ‹ B PQ B t B Pjy instead of going on the :9OOjV :9 j V :KO :M@ ! –@>:f94 j4E ::s 94C ?:9 ¦ ?:”9O j q :g mjO O strength which had been indicated by both the parties. The 6 }R p6 } 4 R ˘o :oS ?:XSi :f94C :o @:?>@:honourable Speaker
36 so, I will be very careful in my words. The honourable Speaker changed the yardstick for determining the quantum of members with the Opposition and the yardstick that was applied was the election to the Office of the Prime Minister. It was said that because the PML (Q) candidate polled so many votes, Moulana Sahib I think was the candidate from the MMA side. He polled so many votes and the ARD candidate who was at that time I think Mr. Shah Mehmood Qureshi, polled votes less than Maulana Sahib, therefore, MMA is the majority party and they should be named as the Leader of the Opposition. Although, the official record showed that the ARD was larger in number. So, since I had no plans of going into this but since this had been argued and this had been stressed yesterday. Therefore, the record needed to be put straight and therefore, I have brought that to your notice. Then in 2008 an application was made by PML (Q) with signatures, this was for the first time that signatures are introduced and Ch. Pervaiz Elahi Sahib was made the Leader of the Opposition. In September, 2008 the PML (N) left the Treasury Benches and joined the Opposition and laid claim to the Leader of the Opposition alongwith signatures, but here Mr. Chairman, a situation arose and I would request you to bear this in mind because this will have relevance a little later, here a situation arose where there was no provision in the rules for the removal of the Leader of the Opposition, but I must give credit to Ch. Pervaiz Elahi very honourable, he said that since I do not have the majority, I resign and as a consequence Ch. Nisar was made the Leader of the Opposition and subsequently, the National Assembly has amended its rules and brought about rule 39, which now provides for the procedure for declaration of the Leader of the Opposition and his removal.
37 So, therefore, Mr. Chairman, I have shown this to you to show that as far as the precedents of the National Assembly are concernedÉ U B • B ( ( ~Y:st 9jy :g¹ê :÷”@Y@:KBBOPQ :”@XO] @:2v7 :é• X q :M@ ) Mr. Chairman: Please continue. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: So, therefore, there is nothing much in terms of precedents in the National Assembly on which you can rely. Mr. Chairman: That is your clarification. Please move further now. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, then we have the Senate. In the Senate also itãs a sorry state of affairs Khawaja Muhammad Safdar Sahib was the first Leader of the Opposition, he was from the Muslim League. There were only two members in the Opposition at that time and he was made Leader of the Opposition subsequently, Mr. Muhammad Hashim Gulzai and Mr. Yahyah Bakhtiar belonging to the PDA, they were made leaders of the Opposition, were nominated as Leaders of the Opposition and in both these cases the concept of a single majority party was not entertained as your record will show, but the Opposition as a group was taken into consideration. Sir, similarly, when I was nominated as the Leader of the Opposition with the considerable amount of delay, it was again the Opposition as an entire group which was considered and I was nominated. So, in terms of the Senate also there is really not that much that you can rely on. The third precedent on which we all lay some deal of reliance is the Indian experience and very quickly Mr. Chairman, I would like to take you to Page 142, 143, and 144 of Kaul.
38 Mr. Chairman: One minute, page 143, Leader of the Opposition. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Yes, page 142, 143 and 144. Mr. Chairman, very quickly I am aware that I had committed to you that I would not take too much time. therefore, I would not go and read this into great detail, but I would rely on these pages and I would say that the essence of this is that when we are talking in terms of a single majority party that has been the basic thrust. Two thrusts come from the Indian jurisdiction, one has been on the question of quorum and the other has been on the question of single party. Mr. Chairman, now as far as the Indian jurisdiction is concerned, I would say that yes, the broad principles of the Indian jurisdiction can be looked at and can be relied to an extent but the Indian functioning of Parliament is slightly different or to a great extent different to the functioning of Parliament in Pakistan. Mr. Chairman: Because they have got the 10 th Schedule and, I think, there are judgments of our court. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Absolutely correct sir. Sir, you would recallÉ. Mr. Chairman: The Indian authorities are persuasive but not binding. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: That is very correct, number one. No.2 Sir, in Kaul and in the Indian rules, it is provided and the Speaker had laid down a criterion for the recognition of political parties which is not present in Pakistan. No.2, apart from the rules, there are directives of the speaker which govern the procedure of Parliament in addition to the rules which are not prevalent in Pakistan and No.3, as very rightly
39 pointed by yourself that after the 10 th Schedule in the Constitution in India, it has become a totally different ball game and in fact in the 10 th Schedule it is also provided that the Parliament will maintain a register of the political parties in Parliament. Mr. Chairman: It talks about mergers also. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: It talks about merger; it talks about break away factions which are not in our Constitution. So, therefore, that is why I am saying that to the extent of broad principles, yes, anything more than that. Mr. Chairman: OK. Next point. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, next point is that when we come to the question of the single largest party, we have to bear two or three things in mind and that is the concept, from where the concept of the single largest party has been nominated as the Leader of the Opposition, from where this has germinated. This has germinated essentially from the House which elects the government. That is from the Lok Sabha or from the National Assembly because what is the concept or even in the United States, the House of Commons, the concept is that the Leader of the Opposition is the Prime Minister in waiting or the Leader of the Opposition is the shadow Prime Minister. Therefore, according to parliamentary traditions if the government falls, then the second largest party is the party which will be called upon to form the government, whether they have the number or not. Whether they cobble together a coalition or not but it shall be prerogative of the leader of that party, so that is where the idea of the largest opposition party has germinated from and therefore, I would say that it bears little relevance as far as we are concerned.
40 Secondly, Mr. Chairman, I would like to draw your attention to other fact, on this issue that we have been quoted a number of instances and a number of laws. Yes, but those statutes themselves have been providing for that the leader of the largest party will head the opposition whereas our rules and laws do not provide for that. If, at all we get a semblance of what is opposition, it is through rule 2 and what is rule 2 speaks of, it speaks of member, so therefore, that concept would not come into play. Thirdly, Mr. Chairman, I would like you to take into consideration also the fact that what is the intent. This is to be found in Kaul as well and it is to be found in May as well. Let me just read to you, Mr. Chairman, from May for what I have said substantiating that point that it is theÉ. Mr. Chairman: Even in the election of Prime Minister, the words äsingle largest partyã is not used. We will look into Article 91, Clause 4. The Prime Minister shall be elected by the votes of the majority of the total membership of the National Assembly. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: That is correct, sir. I was coming to that but the Chairman has already ÉÉ.. Mr. Chairman: I do not find the word äsingle partyã being used anywhere else. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: No sir, apart from 63(a), itãs not. Mr. Chairman: I hope I am correct as to that. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: I think you are sir. Sir, I would refer you to the 23 rd edition of May which is at page 247. Mr. Chairman: 23 rd Edition of May.
41 Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Page 247, there are just 3 or 4 lines which are relevant and this is the official. Mr. Chairman: Page 247? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Yes, 247, the heading is åOfficial Oppositionç and in that I would read from the middle of the paragraph, åthe prevalence on the whole of the two parties system has usually obviated any uncertainty as to which party has right to be called the official opposition. It is the largest minority party which is prepared in the event of the resignation. Now, this is what I was pointing out to the honourable Chairman. In the event of the resignation of the government, to assume office, the Leader of the Opposition and some of his principal colleagues in both houses form of group popularly known as the shadow cabinet. So, that is from where this concept has essentially germinated. Mr. Chairman: But again, the word over here uses äthe partyã. Now the argument which are being used over here that in our rules the words which are used by our members, what is the distinction between the two? The party and the members. Members compose a party and party comprises members. Can we say that members are different from party? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, I would most humbly submit that according to me the two cannot be divorced from one another. A member cannot be divorced from a political party on the basis of which he has been elected and a party cannot be divorced from the parliamentary party which is in the House and vice-versa. But I think, what has been kept in mind, in our rules and this is where I would seek the Chairmanãs indulgence, is that why the term ämemberã has been used? I may be wrong but this is my assumption. I would take you to the mode of election of the
42 Senate. The mode of election of the Senate is by a transferable vote. I would take the honorable Chairman further back, I would take the honourable Chairman to the stage of the framing of the 1973 Constitution. What was the purpose of a by-cameral legislature? The purpose of a by-cameral legislature was to give, (a): equal representation to the federating units through the Senate of Pakistan. (b) by proportionate transferable vote to bringÉ.. Mr. Chairman: Read Article 59, Clause-2 of the Constitution of Pakistan. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, I am just getting there. åElection to filling the seats allocated to each province shall be held in accordance with the system of proportional representation by means of single transferable voteç. This is what I was referring to. Mr. Chairman: That is how the election takes place in the Senate. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: That is right, sir. That is what I was referring the honourable Chairman too and sir, as you will find in the debates, the purpose was to ensure that even the smallest shade of political opinion reflected in the provincial Assembly has an opportunity of coming to the Senate of Pakistan and being reflected over there. So, that was the purpose and therefore, the term ämemberã has been used according to me for the simple purpose that the Opposition should reflect a combination of all the members that are in Opposition and that it should not be restrictive to a particular party. So, it would be member comprising of the various parties that confer their confidence in a person to be their leader for the time being. I have already shown to you the honourable Chairman, that laws of England and foreign jurisdiction
43 have been referred to but those laws have provided for such a dispensation and our lawsÉ... Mr. Chairman: What is your next point, how long will you take? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, I will try and go through it very quickly. It will take rather half an hour. Mr. Chairman: Now we should take a break. I am not stopping him from that. I am just trying to manage the time. ‹ B 6 7 P î :within half an hour conclude :Ly @:fx@:2v l @:dKO 2 V : break :z·4] :LV :L •™ :L ß Yx@:X:9] OC dKO7 2 V Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: I will do my best to conclude it in half an hour. Mr. Chairman: No, you be sure about it. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Then I think we can have lunch and come back. ‹ 6 U B :9kO] @ ! €94 E ¦ :~227 ŒOjy :dKY:O7 energy XV :”@:fx@d”XB v S i :9jiS 9v [ :KOPQ :oãOR ::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E 6 U 6 and then we will come back at K:LOPTS ] 2:V break :L•Š :L V : lunch :1:Kn OPTS :L] 2 V B I have got some appointments at 2.30.1¿C XO•V :3.00. 6 B ‹ B B G B ‹ B 7PV •E QP î PŒ • R B 3c PÙ Pjy :?>@:KY:2:…OOO :K:L•™ :L ß Yx@:1:1:LeOOC n i :K :K :1:9 C OjV ::z35 @:zO j y ?XE :gÞO >2:gv 7 mjO O 6 4R :dKOPµ :2V :break :†C :L`b :3.00 :z·4] :LV :M@ 6 6 B ‹ B B B U PPv[ •E Pî P R 6t b c U E B :KOOOO¶T :dKS :L] 2:…V :K:L Q •ßiP™ :L Yx@:1:2@:LeO C l :K • :Ò@gmÁ @:sX:L`V a ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E ‹ R Come to the next point now.dLei :† O ja Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, now I am coming on to the next point. Sir, the next point is point No. 3. What constitutes the opposition members in the Senate of Pakistan, is it defined in the rules? if notÉÉ..
44 B P¶v[ PQ B U E B :2V :˘KO : you have already covered it.::KO :N9OjE :´gO mA ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E Please continue in your own way. I donãt want to hinder :dfx@:Kv OPµ your line of arguments. Please continue the way you wanted. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Right sir, thank you, very kind of you sir. I will just go through it as you have been very kind, obviously the Rules of Procedure donãt define an Opposition member, the rules define a member, means a member of the Senate. Rules further define a Minister or a member in charge; rules also define a private member means a member other than a Minister. Now, this means that private member means that the entire House, except those who are Ministers all are private members. Mr. Chairman, the point that I would like to make here now is that in parliamentary tradition whether it is India, whether it is the National Assembly or whether it is the UK, basically the House is divided into 2 or 3 benches. Sir, my point is that basically the House is divided into 2 or 3 benches, the first bench is the treasury bench, which constitutes those members who are part of the majority party that has formed the Government and includes those allied parties or independent or unattached members who declare their affiliation or a part of the ruling coalition. No.2, the Opposition benches; comprising of those parties or independent or unattached members who declare themselves to be in opposition to the Government in that House and the third bench is the independent bench; or the independent benches or as known in the House of Lords as the Cross benchers. The Cross benchers in the House of Lords or the independent benches are those unattached members who are neither part of the treasury, nor a part of the Opposition but vote on a case to case basis, now my contention here is and I would refer you again to äPractice and
45 Procedureã by Kaul, page 372 and 376 which substantiates my point but in order to save time I would just lay reliance on this and I would ask the honourable Chairman, to do the reading in chamber otherwise I can read theÉ.. Mr. Chairman: Donãt worry, I will go through it. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Right. So, therefore, I would move on from that sir, and I would then say that the independent members have the right to vote and they vote on case to case basis but as far as the privileges and facilities and certain dispensations that are connected with or related to the treasury benches or the Opposition benches, they cannot avail those. Yes, if it is a group of independent members who have constituted themselves and have elected one person then in terms of the business of the Senate and the business of the Senate as defined in the rules to that extent, the Chair can take them into confidence and can consult them, can appoint them into the Standing Committees, can make them Chairmen but where the internal functioning of privileges of either of the two benches come into question, they would not be allowed to play a role. So, this is the distinction that I would place before the honourable Chair and I would also place pages 355, 357, 358, 359 and 360 of Kaul, 5 th Edition for the consideration of the Chair. Mr. Chairman: So, your line of argument is that the independents do not have a right to vote for the Leader of the Opposition. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: That is correct. Mr. Chairman: Irrespective of the fact that they have been elected in a province or from the Federally Administered Tribal Area.
46 Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: I will come to FATA separately but yes that is it. Mr. Chairman: For both of them this is your line of argument. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, that is my line of argument. Sir, you hit the nail on the head Mr. Chairman, and what would be the criterion Mr. ChairmanÉÉ Mr. Chairman: I am also learning from all of you. This is a process. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: That is kind of you to say so sir. Sir what would be the criterion according to me the criterion would be (a) the declaration of intent by the party or the individual member to be in Opposition or the Government and (b) a consistent patron of Opposition to the Government but would not include those members sitting on independent benches and supporting the Government or the Opposition on a case to case basis. B bc 6 B U E B :dLei :9Y:1OC •^ ::L a ` L ] :fx@:X:=>:v ] :KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, now we come to issue No. 4 and that is whether members of a single political party belonging to its parliamentary party in the Senate can claim rights, facilities and privileges other than its parliamentary party. Mr. Chairman, in the normal course we are confronted with a very strange situation according to me because in the normal course the question would arise that if a member of a House has been elected as such as the candidate and nominee of a political party or having been elected as such otherwise that as an independent and having become a member of that political party after that election defects
47 or withdraws himself from the political party, that is normally the question which the Houses are confronted with. He is, liable; obviously, to defection under Article 63(A) but in the instant case the situation is different. In the instant case it is an admitted fact that the head of the party is not disputed. Hence to that extent his title is established. Further, it is an admitted fact that the members continue to be a part and parcel of their original party. Now the question arises that due to internal differences on policy issues, they seek to be seated on different seats from their parent party. According to me, Mr. chairman, and I may be wrong and with due respect to my friends, this is prima facie an intra-party dispute and this intra-party dispute needs to be resolved by the party leader by either acquiescing to the demands of his dissidents or taking disciplinary action against them. So it is essentially an intra-party question because they continue to claim that they are members of their original party but because of policy differences they want to sit on the other side and I am of the opinion and my opinion may be wrong, but I am of the opinion that it is not within the competence of the Chair to determine their status because Clause 2 which you have referred to of Article 63(A) lays down the conditions for him to be a member of that parliamentary party, which the honourable Chairman had already referred to while I was arguing earlier and I said I would refer to it later and I am laying reliance on that now. While Clause 1 of 63 (A) lays down the conditions under which disciplinary action against him can be initiated and while Clause 3 of Article 63(A) lays down the manner, procedure and the authority and in that the authority is the Chief Election Commissioner. So it is not within the competence of the Chair and I think honourable Chairman is well aware of PLD 1994, Supreme Court, Pir Sabir Shahãs case at page 739, the relevant portion being at page 781.
48 B ‹ B U B Clause 1 :L] :fx@:9v Z :Lš • ß 2v7 :Article 63(A), Clause 2 :@?Y::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E ‹ 6 :dLei :oø 2:X:v7 ]and 3 B B B ‹ B PQB P • R t B Pjy dLei :9OjV :refer :XV :Clause 2:L] :K:f9OO4 j4E :K ::s 94C ?:9 ¦ ?:”9O j q :g mjO O Mr. Chairman: Let us read Clause 2. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Mr. Chairman. Clause 2 of Article 63(A), åA member of a House shall be deemed to be a member of a parliamentary party, if he having been elected as a candidate or nominee of a political party which constitutes the parliamentary party in the House or having been elected otherwise then as a candidate or nominee of a political party has become a member of such parliamentary party after such elections by means of a declaration in writingç. U B B U tP R ‹ y 6 }R t V B U E B dsx@:KO • :M9:LvC V :€O•POj :†:oC 4 @::declaration :s XV :s :w‡‰ :M@::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E U B B B ‹ B BŒjŠ t P •R ‹ y B t B Pjy party ticket :X4E :KO :sx@:K O :M9:LvC V :€ O•POj ! –@>:f94 j4E ::s 94C ?:9 ¦ ?:”9O j q :g mjO O :dLei :@XSi :issue Mr. Chairman: We will have to look into the record of the Election Commission. B 6 6 GG ‹ 6 PB ‹ BB œOP3^ œ Œ jŠ y Please :d9™™R :9 u OC Y:L] :KOSQ :X] :=>:1¿¶4C ::˚”9 CC3|D :Le i :M9v :´?9p :X ] :Y?9O] ?:9 :K :KO @ !:€4 E 9 ¦:~27 2 ŒOj continue. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Lastly, Mr. Chairman, I was giving you the citation of Pir Sabir Shah, PLD 1994 Supreme Court. B uC U B ˘Lei :ˆ‡:@?Y:K OP™ O Y::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E look into the wordings. åA member of a House shall be deemed to be a member of a parliamentary party, if he, having been elected as a candidate or nominee of a political party which constitutes the
49 parliamentary party in the Houseç. Now, second Clause is different now, åor having been electedç. Now this is a situation which arises after election. åOr having been elected otherwise then as a candidate or nominee of a political party has become a member of such parliamentary party after such elections by means of a declaration in writing.ç Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Mr. Chairman, as you have very rightly said that this envisages two situations. Mr. Chairman: Two situations, yes. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: It envisages situation (a), where I am elected on the basis of being a member of Pakistan Peoples Party and I fight the elections on the symbol of the Pakistan Peoples Party. I, at the time of submission of my nomination papers, give a certificate of the ticket that has been issued to me and on the basis of that certificate the symbol of the Pakistan Peoples Party is allotted to me. This is condition No.1. Mr. Chairman: One, before election. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Before election and the other is where a member who is an independent. Mr. Chairman: One is before election, the other is after election. I am trying to make it concise. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: That is correct, sir. Where you are elected as an independent presumably and then join a political party and that is where the declaration in writing comes in forth because in terms of the earlier one prior to election that has already been submitted. ‹ R U E B dLei :†O ja :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E
50 Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, I was giving you the citation on Pir Sabir Shah which was PLD 1994 page. Mr. Chairman: Sabir Shah case is very famous case. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: And the relevant portion is at 781. 6 B R G Ê H PQ B P U E B dLa :€94 E ¦ :=9 „ :o{ :Y94 ’ :author :LV :M@::KO :N9OjE :´gO mA ::KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Yes sir. Now, sir, I come to point No. 5. Whether the members belonging to FATA have a status different to the other members of the Senate, because this was very vehemently argued by very senior council, that the status of the members of FATA is different to those of the other members in the House and therefore, as a consequence they have to be treated differently and they have rights which are different to the other members of the House. While we are talking about FATA, I would request the Chair to kindly keep in mind my arguments vis- …-vis the three benches in the House and then we would proceed with FATA. Mr. Chairman, while we are talking of FATA, again I am relying on the Constitution prior to the 18 th Amendment, all these citations that I have given you of the Constitution are prior to the 18 th Amendment. I would take you, Mr. Chairman, to Article 1 of the Constitution and Article 1 of the Constitution is that åPakistan shall be Federal Republic to be known as the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, hereinafter referred to as Pakistanç. Clause 2; åthe territories of Pakistan shall comprise; (a) The provinces of Balochistan, The North West Frontier, The Punjab and Sindh; (b) The Islamabad Capital Territory, hereinafter referred to as the Federal Capital; (c) The Federally Administered Tribal Areas; and
51 (d) Such States and territories as are or may be included in Pakistan, whether by accession or otherwiseç. So Para C of Clause 2 of Article 1 shows FATA to be a territory within the confines of Pakistan. Now, Mr. Chairman, very quickly, FATA is governed, as you are well aware because you have been dealing with the amendments in FATA and therefore, you are well aware of that FATA is governed by Articles 246 and 247 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Mr. Chairman, Article 246, as you are aware, defines the territories that constitute FATA and Article 247 deals with the administration of the tribal areas and it states that it isÉ.., I will not read those Articles because I do not think you need for me to read them as we are running short of time as well. Now, Mr. Chairman, after having said that, I would like to take you to Para (B) of Clause 1 of Article 59. Again I do not have to read that, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman: I am aware of it. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: It has been read so many times and you are aware of it. It states that the elections of the members from FATA will be made in such manner as the President may prescribe by an order. Now, Mr. Chairman, after having said that, I would also, because of the argument which is being advanced, I would also like you to bear in mind that Para (C) of the same Article when it deals with the Federal Capital Area also says that their mode of election is to be prescribed by the President as well and I stop here. It is not only FATA. So, if it is being argued that FATA acquires a special status because the President prescribes their mode of election and that their electoral
52 college is different, that is, it is not a provincial assembly and it is members of the FATA from the National Assembly then conversely if you look at it, Clause, (C) provides that for the Federal Capital Area also. The President will prescribe by way of an order and in which their electoral college is also different. Their electoral college is the National Assembly as well. Then by way of an inference to their arguments, am I to believe that the members elected form the Federal Capital Area would also enjoy a separate status. Now, Mr. Chairman, what would be the situation? If this line of argument is taken further it would mean that there are three sets of members in the House with different privileges and qualifications. One are those senators which are elected by the provincial assemblies, the other are those senators which are elected from FATA because of the manner in which they are elected and it is prescribed by the President and the third would be the set of senators form the Federal Capital Area because their electoral college is different as well and their mode of election also has been prescribed by the President by way of an order. So what would happen to Article 25. Three sets of members having different privileges in a House. Mr. Chairman, that is not what the Constitution envisaged. Now Mr. Chairman, with due respect it is being argued or it was argued again by a senior counsel that the Political Parties Act does not apply and because the Political Parties Act does not apply and the other laws of Pakistan do not apply, therefore, FATA has a status onto itself. FATA is alien to the territory of Pakistan that is not the position, Mr. Chairman. Let me take you to the order itself of the President which is in PLD 2003, supplement I, Part I, Federal Statute, Page 948. If the Chairman will permit me, it is not a very long order but it is relevant. Sir, it is Chief Executiveãs Order
53 40 of 2002, Senate Election of Members from the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, Order 2002. An order to prescribe the manner in which the members of the Senate from the Federally Administered Tribal Areas shall be elected, Gazette of Pakistan extraordinary, Part I, 21 st November, 2002, number so and so, dated 20-11-2002. The following order promulgated by the Chief Executive is hereby published for general information. Whereas it is expedient to prescribe the manner in which the members of the Senate from the Federally Administered Tribal Areas shall be elected and to provide for matters connected therewith an ancillary thereto. Now, therefore, in exercise of the powers conferred by paragraph (b) of Clause 1 of Article 8(b) of the conduct of General Elections Order 2002, Chief Executiveäs Order 7 of 2002 and all powers enabling him in that behalf, the President is pleased to make the following order: No.1: Short Title and Commencement. This order may be called the Senate election of members from the Federally Administered Tribal Areas Order 2002. It shall come into force at once. Now, Mr. Chairman, No.2; Manner of election of the members of the Senate from Federally Administered Tribal Areas and application of Act 51 of 1975 and the rules made thereunder. What is Act 51? Act 51 is the Senate Election Act of 1975. There elections are held by way of this Order under the Senate Election Act of 1975 and I will read this further. åMembers of the Senate from the Federally Administered Tribal Areas shall be elected by the members from the Federally Administered Tribal Areas in the National Assembly in the same manner as members to fill seats in Senate allocated to a province or elected by members of the provincial assembly and the Senate Election Act, 1975 and the rules made thereunder read with notification bearing SRO No.746
54 (1/75) dated: 7 th July, 1975 and SRO No. 747 (1/75) dated: 7 th July, 1975 shall apply for the purpose subject to the modifications in the said Act. Then it modified. It says; where the provincial isÉ.., it is the National Assembly, whereas the members are given; it is FATA but to that extent only. So, to say that simply because the Political Parties Act is not applicable but their election is subject to the Senate Election Act of 1975 and that is applicable to you and me also when we get elected. When we get elected, it is under the Senate Election Act of 1975. The oath that he subscribes to in the form which is again the same form which you and me fill in, with only the difference that in place of the name of the province is the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. He affirmed that he is subject to the qualifications and disqualifications under Article 62 and 63 of the Constitution. Like you and me, Mr. Chairman, he submits his assets, like you and me; he gives an undertaking that he has not taken a loan over X amount of rupees. Mr. Chairman: Please, look at Clause 3 of Article 247 and Clause 7 of Article 247 of the Constitution of Pakistan, in juxtaposition. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: I will be with you in a just moment sir. Yes, Clause 3; åNo Act of Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament) shall apply to any Federally Administered Tribal Areas or to any part thereof, unless the President so directs, and no Act of Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament) or a provincial assembly shall apply to a Provincially Administered Tribal Areas, or to any part thereof, unless the Governor of the Province in which the Tribal Area is situated, with the approval of the President, so directs; and in giving such a direction with respect to any law, the President or, as the case may be, the Governor, may direct that the law shall, in its
55 application to a Tribal Area, or to a specified part thereof, have effect subject to such exceptions and modifications as may be specified in the direction.ç Mr. Chairman: This is a negative clause. Now read Clause 7. This is also a negative Clause. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: it is; åneither the Supreme Court nor a High Court shall exercise any jurisdiction under the Constitution in relation to a Tribal Area, unless Majlis-e- Shoora (Parliament) by law otherwise provides: Provided that nothing in this Clause shall affect the jurisdiction which the Supreme Court or a High Court exercised in relation to a Tribal Area immediately before the commencing day.ç Mr. Chairman: Is it correct to argue that only those Acts become applicable on the Federally Administered Tribal Areas which are specifically provided for in the light of Article 3 and 7 of the Constitution? I just want to make it clear. Letãs proceed further now. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Yes sir, that is absolutely correct. Sir, further his election is also conducted by the Chief Election Commissioner admittedly. Mr. Chairman: See this, what is it? Have the framers of the Constitution kept into mind only the Acts which are passed, endorsed by the President or the Governor, become applicable and not other acts? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Agreed sir. I am not a chameleon in that and that is why I read to you the Presidentãs Order by virtue of which the Senate Election Act is applicable. Mr. Chairman: Letãs proceed further.
56 Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: What I am trying to say is that the argument being advanced that simply because the Political Parties Act is not applicable, therefore, an entity onto them is not correct. Now Mr. Chairman, I would come to the Political Parties Order or Act as well. What does the political parties Order or Act entails? Essentially it deals with the functioning, organization, membership, funding, certification intra party elections and dissolution of political parties. This is what the total intent of the Political Parties Act or Order is. Yes, to the extent that it is not applicable in FATA. He cannot contest an election as a member of a political party. Stop here for a moment Mr. Chairman. Once he is elected where does the order specify or where does the law state that he will be disqualified if he becomes a member of a political party. Mr. Chairman: Can he join any political party? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Yes. Mr. Chairman: He can. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: You have got example across the floor or across the Hall. Mr. Chattan is a member of the Pakistan Peoples Party and he is from FATA. There is no explicit disqualification. Mr. Chairman: There is no question of disqualification. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: There is no explicit bar. The bar remainsÉ Mr. Chairman: Now he becomes a member of political party which is not registered in FATA. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, you are well aware because you were part of the process of drafting of those
57 amendments. In actual fact, the de facto position is that all political parties are functioning in FATA whether we admit it or we donãt. But there is this fa–ade, that the Political Parties Order and the Political Parties Act is not applicable. So therefore, to that extent when he files his nomination papers, he files as an independent candidate but otherwise the ANP is there, the JUI is there, the PPP is there. This is a reality. Mr. Chairman: Right, what is the next point now? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, if you just allow me a little more Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman: OK. I think after we finish on issue No.5, we will adjourn for sometime and then come back. Now how long will you take? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, after that I will not take very long, fifteen to twenty minutes not more than that sir. In this respect finally on this point Mr. Chairman, I think you have understood what the point that I am trying to make clear that he has no different status and that he is like any other member and secondly if a status different to him is conferred, it would be against the spirit of the law and the Constitution and also Article 25. Finally, on this issue Mr. Chairman, I would like to refer to you PLD 1995, Supreme Court at Page 281; the relevant head note is at page 283. Mr. Chairman: What is head note number? Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, the head note number is ådç, Constitution of Pakistan, Article 7 and 247, state definition.
58 Definition of a State as given in Article 7 of the Constitution is fairly wide and encompasses all authorities which perform executive and legislative functions in any part of the country. President and Governor while exercising their powers under Article 247 of the Constitution therefore, cannot be excluded from the definition of the State so far as the Tribal Areas are concerned and this is the relevant portion at page 297. Sir, the 6 th point was, whether after the creation of a vacancy, the criterion on which the Chairman Senate of Pakistan has to form an opinion be changed and I think if we were to include in this the 7 th point. Sir, according to me it would be appropriate that once a vacancy has occurred, the criterion for the ascertainment, as I have tried to show to yourself, should not be changed and those members who were sitting on the opposition benches at the time when the vacancy occurred should be the members that are considered. In this regard, I would say that this principle of non changing of the ground realities has been upheld in Article 58 of the Constitution wherein it is stated that once a resolution for a vote of no confidence against the Prime Minister or in the other Article, against a Chief Minister has been moved, he shall not advise the President for its dissolution till such time as the Assembly has not voted upon it. Further, Mr. Chairman, I would like to draw your attention to the Electoral Rolls Act 1974, and I would take you sir, straightaway to Section 20, which states that no correction to be made after constituency called upon to elect. No revision or collection of any electoral roll for any electoral area shall be made nor shall any order under Section 19 be made in respect of any electoral roll at any time after the constituency of which such electoral area forms part has been called upon to elect its representatives and before such representatives have been electedç.
59 So this principle of non changing of the ground realities after vacancy has occurred is upheld through Section 20 of the Electoral Rolls Act 1974. Mr. Chairman, very quickly coming to the question of when the vacancy occurred, in my humble opinion, in the instant case it would not according to me occur from the date the honourable Senator Wasim Sajjad tendered his resignation. According to me the vacancy occurred in the office of the Leader of the Opposition the day the PML(Q) members took oath as members of the Federal Cabinet i.e. 2 nd May, 2011 because the moment the PML(Q) members became members of the Federal Cabinet, their status has been changed in terms that from the Opposition Benches they were now members of the Treasury Benches and it would be an anomaly to presume that a leader of a party which is now effectively a member of the Treasury Benches continues to hold the office of the Leader of the Opposition even after his party is sitting on the Treasury Benches. So the vacancy according to me occurred on the 2nd of May, 2011 when they took oath, that is the day when the vacancy occurred. Mr. Chairman: Next point. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Finally, Mr. Chairman, what my suggestions is to what the order should be. It is proposed that the Chairman may consider the following amongst other facts while passing the ruling. 1. The independent members may within two weeks of taking oath, express in writing, their desire to join a political party in the House or indicate if they want seat on the Treasury, Opposition or Independent Benches.
60 2. That, should the independent member failed to make such a request, he shall be treated on the independent benches and will not be able to avail the parliamentary facilities of the Treasury or the Opposition Benches. 3. If the independent members form a group, that in terms of Senate business, they should be consulted and made members and Chairmen of the Standing Committees. 4. Once a vacancy has occurred, the members should not be allowed to switch their benches. 5. A member of a political party will be bound by his party Whip in terms of selection of seating on a bench till such time as he disassociates himself from that political party. Thank you sir. Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Now we meet again at 3:30 or 3:15. 6 B ( ( €ƒ[ @z Q) B B B P ^ U E B :fx@:˘€v 4 E 9¦ :~?9 ’4R :dLei :92: C V argue :1¿C XO•V :KO ™ ?: fix time :†O C @: :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B ‹ at 3:30 p.m. sharp because you :€4E 9¦ :~?9 ’4R :d€ 4 E 9 ¦ :?@Y:z · 4] :LV :M@:?>@:L l :K2O7 V B 6 ˚Ll :KOPµ :2Y:oO7 •Pn :fx@:v are the one who is going to start. 6 B B ‹ B PC B B P E ‹ P y d€•q :;O :~?9’4R :KO k :gO mC :zOjy :g mjO Oj ‹ ‹ R U E B Thank you.::d€4E 9¦ :?@Y:z · 4] :LV :M@:˘Le i :†O ja ::KB OPQgmjO v :f94 j4E ------[The House was then adjourned to meet again at 3:30 pm] ------G B U B R B B PQ U vE B 6 ( ( @XSi :ï>g® :=?94C >Y (†OOj7 9C :ªv @:ˆ>?9 Ù :f94 j 4E):KO gmjO :f94 j4E :f?@z¦ :2?::zO7 · 4] :LV :1Ï• >:M—@ 4[ ) ¢4] B U B dKO7 2V :•@:… !: €4 E 9¦ :~?9 ’ 4R :o:45:KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E
61 Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: Thank you sir. We appreciate the patience that your honour has shown while hearing the arguments from both sides. My arguments would be only two points. One is, review of the verdict or ruling by the Chairman given earlier, the Chair takes it at later stage. The whole issue which is before this House right now is the order, you passed order on the 6 th of June, the operative para but I feel as that is matter of counting of numbers, where do the members stand whether they stand for Maulana Haideri or they stand for Ishaq Dar that is the controversy right now. It has been argued over here also and probably there has been a misconception that the members from the FATA have been denied right of vote and at the same time it has been argued that the members from the PML (Q) have been denied right to vote. This is a misconception but I would say that they did exercise their right whether the right which they exercise as was properly treated or rightly treated as a member of the Opposition or member of Treasury Benches that is the pivotal point which was addressed in the order of the 6 th June. As far as the members of FATA and two other from the province of Balochistan and the province of Pakhtunkhwa, No.1 from the province of Balochistan who is independent, their status has been recognized. The members from the FATA who were elected independently and they opted to sit on Oppositionãs Benches and they supported Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri and similarly one member from Balochistan that is Hamayun Mandokhel, he has supported Mr. Ishaq Dar. While coming to a conclusion what do the rules provide for that, what rule gives the authority under which the Chairman has exercised this authority. Many times during arguments Rule 2 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business has
62 referred by honourable members and quite at times it has been read. We have to see also what are the rules of the National Assembly and for that matter there is slight difference in both of those rules. The rules of the National Assembly which were amended in 2007, they incorporated another rule also which was referred by Mr. Raza Rabbani that is Rule 39 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the National Assembly. So, there is a difference between both of those rules, if we see page No.2 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the National Assembly åLeader of the Opposition means a member who is, in the opinion of the Speaker, for the time being leader of majority of the members in the Oppositionç. The word åmajorityç is missing in Rule 2 of the Senate. Rule 2 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate says åLeader of the Opposition is a member of the Upper House who is, in the opinion of the Chairman of the Senate, for the time being the Leader of members in Opposition to the Government in that Houseç and prior to this amendment in the National Assembly there was a provision for an election of the Leader of the House but there was no such provision in the Rules of Business of the National Assembly and the Senate where there was an election. So, there could be an election, there is an election for the Leader of the House but there is no election for the purposes of deterring a person as a Leader of the Opposition, that authority rests with the Chairman and he has to take into consideration the strength of the Opposition. What is the strength of the Opposition? Presently the parties which are sitting in the Opposition are; it is JUI (F), it is PML (N), it is Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party and it is BNP and it is Peoples Party (Sherpao) and Jamat-e-Islami, these are the
63 parties and apart from that there was a choice with the members who were elected independently. It has been argued also whether there are certain provisions that somebody gets elected on independent seats, he has to give a declaration within three days. There is an Article 51 also but that relates only to the elections of the reserved seats because strength of the reserved seats is based on the strength which a particular party has got in our House, it relates to that and in the National Assembly. Otherwise, independent members as it has been said that they are in the Treasury Benches, the Opposition and the independent, is there any provision in law, rules and in the Constitution which bars an independent member to sit at one time on the Treasury Benches and subsequently he can switch over to the Opposition Benches, there is no such bar in it, it is his own discretion. Political Parties Order, 2002 has also been referred over here and the extent of that law does not extend to Federally Administrated Tribal Areas but if we see that who can become a member of a political party and what are the provisions in Political Parties Order regarding becoming a member of a political party. The section 5 of this Order, it speaks; every citizen has only one bar, not being in the service of Pakistan shall have a right to form or be a member of a political partyÉ Mr. Chairman: Section 5. Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: Yes, Section 5 of the Political Parties Order and I will be referring to the Article 17 also. Mr. Chairman: That is the base.
64 Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: Thatãs the base and I am talking about the Political Parties Order right now. So, the Political Parties Order does not bar any citizen of Pakistan to become a member of political party except if he is in the service of Pakistan. That is the only bar on a person to become a member of a political party. It has been rightly said by Mr. Raza Rabbani that the only thing that has to be seen is whether a political party can operate and function in the particular area which has been excluded by statute that is one thing. People of FATA, they are citizens of Pakistan, you cannot deny them citizenship of Pakistan. When they are citizen of Pakistan under Article 17 and Section 5 of the Political Parties Order, they have got a right because there is no bar that citizens of FATA will not be entitled or cannot become a member of any political party. So, having been elected independently, when the political parties do not operate, they donãt have offices over there, they donãt have organizations over there, they cannot contest election on party basis. The elections are not held over there on party basis but being a citizen of Pakistan, he cannot be denied of this basic right to become a member of any political party, a political party which is recognized and registered with the Election Commission of Pakistan. There are certain provisos, political activities which are given in Article 17 for political parties which cannot function but a political party which is registered with the Election Commission of Pakistan, which is allowed to operate in Pakistan, I donãt think so any citizen of Pakistan whether he is from FATA or Balochistan, he could be denied the right of becoming a member of a political party. The people who have been elected independently, they have got a right to join any political party. If you see the strength which has been
65 mentioned in your order itself in para 22 and 23 of your order sir. The JUI(F) has got strength of 10 but they claimed that they have got 12. They have two other members from FATA. Can they be denied being a member of a Parliament and the common citizen that they cannot become a member of any political party? They can become a member of a political party; there is no bar on them. It is one thing. Secondly, your honour has observed according to your order that if a member from Balochistan who conveyed his intention and he has been treated according to his desire, according to his option, he has been treated as opposition member on opposition benches. The only controversy remains to the facts that which particular contender of this office has got more strength. That has to be calculated and your honour has rightly calculated it and come to a conclusion. The only controversial thing is that the members of the PML(Q) who have supported Mr. Ishaq Dar is to be seen whether they have been rightly taken or treated as members of the Treasury Benches or they should have been taken as members of the Opposition. They have got a controversy within their own party and for that matter they have already moved to the High Court and the matter is subjudice over there. The people who claim themselves to be the like-minded and the Secretary General of that like-minded faction you know, has gone to the Lahore High Court and the matter is still subjudice over there, there is a controversy between them, that is an intra party dispute. 6 O•Š B ‹ y U E B d:Lš• `F :@XÔjq :X ] :petition :1O C ! €94 E ¦ :~g2mCO ŒOj :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: Sir, I have got it. The matter is subjudice before the High Court and that too
66 we have to examine along with many other rules which bar from having a discussion on the matter which is subjudice before a court of law. It is the Constitution of that political party and the provisions of their Constitution. How do they resolve their disputes? The intra party disputes, how are they to be resolved in the four corners and writ of their Constitution. It is important thing. If somebody feels aggrieved, he goes to the Election Commission. The Election Commission says we have got nothing to do with your rules; itãs up to you to decide it. The point is this that in the petition they have said that the elections are not conducted in accordance with our Constitution. We believe in democracy, all people sitting over here believe in democracy. Whenever, there is a dispute, say for example, if they contend that there is a dispute with their leadership and the decision is to be taken whether they to join the government or not to join government. Who will decide it? Itãs party itself who would decide it. It is the Central Executive Committee of the party which would decide it. Members of the Parliament of that particular party, they would decide it. How would they decide it? Obviously when you believe in democracy, the majority prevails upon the minority. Even in the House or even in any political party, the reasoning and the decision of the majority prevails upon the minority opinion. So, the majority decision of that particular party was to join Government and obviously the minority has to follow that decision or otherwise they have to quit the party. So, what I feel is this that if we take example of the members of the Senate from PML(Q), if you calculate them, they are 20, nine say, we donãt want to sit on the treasury benches and 11 says we want to sit on treasury benches. So, the decision of
67 majority would prevail and they have to go with the decision of the majority. So, your honour has rightly treated them, not to be members of the Opposition. If the Chair started recognizing the splinter group, then it will be very fatal for all political parties. It will be very fatal for all people believing in democracy. It will be very harmful to political culture. We want to discourage these sort of things. So, it was a simple mathematics and your honour had rightly observed about that. Now, there is another thing also, that is how have we taken up this issue before this House. Whether the issue which is being discussed right now today, is in accordance with the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in Senate or there is a deviation from it. Rules are always framed to regulate the proceedings and to regulate the business of a particular House. Professor Khurshid Ahmed has said that your judgment is property of the House and this issue was not raised through a motion. There is a procedure. Motion itself has been defined in the Rules of Business that what is the Motion? And then this was only raised through a Point of Order and if you see that on what issue there can be a Point of Order. Rule 216 deals with decision of Point of Order. åA Point of Order shall relate to the interpretation and enforcement of these rulesç. U B V B }R P P t V :K :2v7 : Point of Order :M@:1 n Lei :2Y:oV 4 :1:KO C OOQ :M@?>@:K TS :sX:Si :~Y: provisions :s :M@ 6 B •Œ„ P•R 6 B do X:KSiO :f9:2:”>g4C v7 O m vÑ When this ruling is the property of the House, it is with the House. The appropriate thing has been that a Motion should be there. No such motion was moved before this House. There have been argument of the residuary powers of the Chairman, that is Rule 237 that has been mentioned over there. That rule just gives
68 residuary power to the Chairman. There is no denial of it but at the same time on a particular point a decision has been taken and that decision is the property of the House and for reviewing it no motion has been moved and if had there been a motion moved, under Rule 10 there would have been decision of the House. The question should have been put to the House whether the House intends to have a re-visit or review of the earlier decision, no such motion was moved neither any opinion. Sir, I will refer Rule 210. Questions for decision. åA matter requiring the decision, the Senate shall decide by means of a question put by Chairman on a motion made by a member. So, we should not go by such procedure and we should not make precedents for future proceedings which were against the provisions of Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business. The word review had been referred earlier, the Blackãs Law Dictionary was also mentioned over here...... 6B B 6 ãP‹ p PR P ¼H p B V U E B I doH :X:K]OOOä 2:1::o?:x@:Kv7O C SS • :K Q :J4F :o:~22O 7 Ô C @:X:s ] :Rule 210 :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E canãt understand the English. Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: A matter requiring the decision, the Senate Shall decide. G B B p ƒ›] U E B A matter requiring the decision, dLei :çƒ{ :o:;S @:1:O C :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E ‹ It is not making the :dKOOPä 2:Lv7 l x@:K P ¶ v[ : the Senate shall be decided. ‹ B dKOPä 2v7 :XV :M@:@?Y:fx@v sense Whoever is the draftsman of these rules. A matter requiring the decision, the Senate shall be decided. U B B l6 p V B B B P E ‹ P y ds XSi :†:oC S :2ß Y@:‡¼R @2 l :s :”@::~?9’4R :KO k :gO mC :zOjy :g mjO Oj 6 P3Sp B U E B A matter requiring the dLei :misprint :1:1:LeO C n i :9jv7 :9O j V :KO ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E ‹ 6 6 B R P :misprint :1:˘9O C ™R :Lše•i 9:9@2:†v [ C V O ja :X:M@:V X] :Lei :of miss :KO Q :M@:decision of the Senate.
69 U B B G P P•a v5 P ! :€94E ¦ :~z • ¢q :dK:LO TS ] X:L`Si •7 :L V :Rules 88 :1:˚KOOOCOOTS :L`•7 :¬:1:dLe4 V C i :ov :1:K C Q :2009 :˘Lei B PB }R P 7 ‹ }R :misprint :X4E :1:KO C Oµ :JŒOC Y:@?Y:o4 :X V :M@:K O TS Lei ?:2V :rules amend :fx@:˘:KvO 2V :fX] :fx@:o v 4 :X V :M@ R :o}4 : Matter requiring the decision of the Senate. By the Senate dLei 6 B }R V 6P•R bc 6 d:o 9OjVintention :s :Draftsman :9jv7 :KO :L`dLea i :9 j Œ „ X Si B B Pµ B B P E ‹ P y dKO 2V :237 apply :fx@:v :~?9’4R :KO k :gO mC :zOjy :g mjO Oj Mr. Chairman: Shall be decided by means of question put by the Chairman. U on a motion made by a member.:9Z :´2V :question put :KB OPQ g mjO vE Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: Sir, no such motion was made. Mr. Chairman: But who will decide? Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: Sir, I will refer to one thing also. Mr. Chairman: Let us read it. A matter requiring the decision of the Senate or by the Senate shall be decided by means if a question put by the Chairman on a motion made by member. This means the Senate will decide? Not the Chairman because the Chairman is putting the question. I donãt know. Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: Sir, the decision of the Senate, obviously that requires the sense of the House. ‹ 6 V 6 U regarding :Lei : page 126 :9D :M@:Lei :~2v7 :f94 j V ::s : Kaul :M9vC :LV :fx@::v ˚Lei :9j[jiS 9v :9O V :M:>9S T G th ‹ B œO]‹ :fx@:dLev i : 5 edition ::=>:Lei :@XSi :@2:Kv7 z@:XOC 4 E ::M9:´gvC O mA : the ruling of the Speaker. B dLei :page120 :M9vC:´gO mA Lei :9 k] X:M9:LV v C V U B do45 dLei :ruling of the Speaker page 120 :o45 ::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E
70 U 6 B B B 7 7 B B B P E ‹ P y from the ruling of the :K –:KO X] 9 „ ! f94 j4E ::~?9’4R :KO k :g:zO mCOjy g mjO Oj 6 G dLei :sX:ï>gt Si ® :L y :”9•45 :Speaker The Speakerãs ruling, as already stated, cannot be questioned except on a substantive motion. No such motion, substantive motion was moved. Sir, I will not repeat the meaning of the word review which has already been referred by many members here. Review itself is a substantive right sir. It canãt be given under Rule 237 that this creates a right. There is no provision in Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business whereby giving a right of review even it doesnãt give an authority to the Chair also. These rules donãt give authority to the Chair to review except when there is sense of the House also and a question is decided by the House itself. Sir, when I am talking about review that it is a substantive right, I will be referring to a judgment, it is PLD 2007 Supreme Court, page 121, head note (b); Scope: Right of review were substantive right and is always a creation of relevant statutes on subject. Reviewing situations have been conferred with the consent of the parties as it is always conferred by the statute. I am relying on it B B PQ6 ‹ P •R P Q Lei :9Y2:OC Vrefer :L] :KOOO :9jß 2:Kv7 ::?>@:K : So, this case relates to Ombudsmanãs case, Capital Development Authority went in a review before that. Once it was turned down, 2 nd time they accepted then the matter went to the Supreme Court then Supreme Court held that. The Ombudsman Ordinance, 1983 does not provide provision for the review. So, review itself is a substantive right and that canãt be created under Rule 237.
71 6 B }R P NLR-1992 (Labour : 1O C ”X:9Si jiS 9:92:v [ C V refer : o4 : judgment : ~g® >Y: †O C @: KO Q : 2v7 : M@: dLei :page 147 :9 D:M@:dLei :Lahore) åReview power is substantive in nature. It has to be specific conferred by the statute on authority/forum/courtç. The words are statute on authority/forum/court for it to exercise the same. Now sir, when specifically the rules do not provide for a review and there is no statute on it, so giving or creating a substantive right for a particular party, is not in the interest of the justice. What I feel is that the verdict/ruling given by your honour earlier, isÉÉÉ Mr. Chairman: You mean to say the Rule 237; the residuary powers cannot be exercised in view of the judgments of the Supreme Court. Senator Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari: Exactly sir. What I feel is under 237, the business of the House can be regulated but review itself is a substantive right, this is what the Supreme Court says. That right cannot be created under an inherent or residuary power. So, keeping in view my submission before you, I would be requesting that the decision which was earlier taken was on the factual side and the members from FATA who were independently elected and the members from PML (Q) had exercised their right and your honour has very rightly treated them on the treasury benches and on the opposition benches. Thank you very much. ‹ U B d€4 E 9¦ :?@Y:ˆ9 ’ H @::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E G B B •E B ¡ Ž5 ¢ 4] •4E B ‚OPkŠ B q B ‹ c ‹ P y :f94 j4E :d…O 2@:KŠ 2@:•@:… Š :d…O 2@:KŠ @:K :•@:94C :YX‘ @ :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj U U B •V Š B G P B P U vE :LV :”XO•7 9ST Y:o :s @>:L ] x@:1¿¶4C :current issue :†O C @:½gÀ :1C :fx@:1v n :”XSi :?X Œ k q :9D :fx@:K v O Q ! KO Q g mjO
72 U B B B B :lego-constitutional issues :=>:dL] –:?X÷2?:X:L‘O7 V ƒQ 9·q :†@:LC Š @>:L • PC `:€4 4P„ :9: D clarity :Lš•Š 6 O R B B in the light of :Ly :L` ] 24F :L • É7 @:?>@: wisdom :o•v7 @:fx@::2v v7 :”@:˘KB OPTS :Lei ?XSi : raise :1·§ Y:oÊ•vR :X 4E 6 ¼H P 7 B :1:1:”X:9O C nSi ja4b :K:dLOOQ l :KY:1 ¶ ÐO•§ :9 j v 7 @:: arguments to be heard from both sides 6 You will be creating history. :dLei :meaningful discussion :opS :€ \4R Mr. Chairman, I think you had valid reasons to do so. Let me remind you what you said on 8 th of June. You said: åI have been hearing the members on the issue with regard to the notification which has been issued to appoint Molana Haideri as the Leader of the Opposition. There is a division in the House. I can see that which is very visible. Legal complexities are involved in the matter which I feel must be resolved as per rules, law and Constitution. Suggestions have come yesterday that the legal experts be heard and the issues be determined after hearing the legal experts in the House. In my view, these proceedings will have a very long and historical impact on the future parliamentary traditions and practices in Pakistan. Keeping everything in mind, I have decided in the interest of justice, equity and fair play to hear the legal experts in the matter. What is the format that has to be decided. I would like to invite Molana Haideri sahib as well as Ishaq Dar sahib to meet me today after the sittingÉÉç etc. I think having sensitized the problems and the legal complexities which have been raised in this House on 6 th and 7 th June, I think and I will prove, it is well within your legal and constitutional right, what you are doing is the right thing to do for justice with the
73 issue; one must not be apologetic. To err is human. Anybody can make mistakes. 6 6 6 B B B t ¦ B V Š B PC P • R ÜO•v7 :sX:¥Si 9:[divine help :X:”@:LVy :½‡:s:¡s9‰ ·] :•@:1¿C XO •V :KOO X:KS i :”9O j ‚ƒ{ :L y :”>g4 m3 :½g À 6 6 B B }R PT t }R PT t 6 B :o4 : innocent :?>@:KO S :sX:oSi 4 : intentional :˘KO S :s9X:L4[Si y :M@:?>@:Le i :92:”9 CjkV O ‚ƒ{ :”9 ] @:dLe i ‹ U 6 U B U 6 P B VB R PBB B P P t :M@::KO Q :dLei :~?@Y:1A Y:s :fx@:92:†v CVO ja L] X:LeSSi •i ?:KOOOQ :?9 D :=2@Y:L 7 V :”X9:?>@:K ]Vi ± C x@:X:”@:dK TS :s X B 6 R d9Z :”>2V :cases quote :KOPQ :?>@:9Z :”>Y:reasons :o•v7 @:XV :fx@:Kv OPQ :X ] :9Z :”>2V :dilate :o}4 @:2v7 :LƒQ 9 ·q U 6 R B 6 6 6 ¼H :†C :o}4 @:X4E :Ly :½‡‰ :”X ] >Y:˘€y >Y:?>@:st 9™4 R :learned :€\4R :´gO mA :1:”X:9n Si ja4b :K:OPQ BBB B B B 6 PT V 76 7 7 PT :€\4RS :=>:˘KO :Lš• :legal cases cite :X4E :LÉ• @::˘f–9OjE :LÉ • @: views :LÉ• @:L ] :”X\R @:˘KOS :L Š X 4 ] B B B PH ‹ B P P P P P :K:o@:1OOOQjP™î :†@:9O C jv 7 @:L] :K:1 Q ¿ ¶4C :˘9 • ^ :K: Q lunch break :wx@X4V :fx@:Lv ] :KOOQ :Lš` œ [ :dKT S ::relevant U B B B B •V 7 PQ ø‹ PQ :9OC :wx@:X4 4E : annexures :o :LÉ• @:L ] :K:O I didnãt want to repeat :˘o 2:?9v7 3R :KO :~z¶4[ :˘99O C › Š BBB6 B•6 B R tB t •‘ D :withdraw :XV :”@:˘:Lš] Y:L] :”XO•a 9„ :´g>Y:9:L® OO C ] :€94E ¦C¦C :s9?:94 ?:9:L ] :€9 4 E ¦ :s@X:… ˜ @:¥ B B V PQ B PQ U vE B B 6 B P Q 6 :s : fx@:v L] : K O ! KO gmjO :f94 j4E :d”X:1:¬>:=Y9?:9ŠCÕ OO CD :”@X@:M@:?>@:9O ] D :fx@:Kv O :1 n 9:Le Cji :9Š 2 V 6 Š I will be referring you to all these :dLei :9OOjV :?9 j 7 :set :@?X:†@:Lšv] O C • :L V :facilitation annexures. The number has been reduced from almost 78 to 57
:1O C : with few sub-annexures that may be running to total above 60. U U 6 PQ P Q B }R PQ•V B P C :KOO :˘K :57 annexures :”@:dLei :o4 :A, B, C and D :K:oOO :1¿C XO•V :Ll :K 9:X4[ S i 60 :č94jO7 ‡ Ó] R R 6 :dKOPTS :o}4 :factual :?>@:KOPTS :o}4 :legal :KOPQ :”@:d9B Z :”Xƒv[ :2V :LŠ :JR 9 „ :X V :fx@v B B B P R U q ‹ P Independent :1:˘LeO Ci :KO • :1 ¶ jœ :9:?@Y:ˆ9D’jH @:1:1:9O C nV :Ò‡:LW ] :K:1:9O Q n k OP[4 OB }R U q B 6 ¼H P P R } R U q :o4 :1¶jœ :9:€9D¦C4E :~?zO j E :9–X:1:1:”X:9qO CnS i ja4b :K:˘LeOOQi :K • :o4 :1 ¶ j œ :9: D Opposition Group B U R P p P R :M>9:M@:LST ƒ• É :X4E : issues :=>:?>@: as parliamentarian :KO TS :Lei ?:2V : service :†O C @:…S :˘Lei :K O • B G U B U U 6 B G p R :´2@Y:L7 V :KB OPC x@:?>@:”X9:˘J9B ] ±R „ :L V :~?@ z9C 3OR @:9:”@:1 D B n :KOOPTS :Lei ?:2:;X:…:˘LV ˜ VSS ] X:K i P • :flag :K OPQ BBB G p ^ R 6 PQ6V [ 7 6 [Q P :justice :L]a :…:1S n :L ?:Y9:ª?9:KOCO C OOO :”X•• >:L Š]y @>:L x@:˘L :1>:s4 [ :¥:M@:dK2:M—:¥VC :2 V :=?:K B BB6 B 6 p •a4R P3Sp P Q B 7 6 d9™jÐR :9O V :½9]S @:L]V :…:J9R „’ :L :M@:˘94 O :KOO :L ] :r@X:”9‘ •45 :K :”@X@:M@:LÉO ] • @:9 ™jR :9O V
74 U ‹ Pu [ ø‹ •V B P U E B :”Xß 2v7 :Lš•Š :M@:briefly :Ly @:KO Q :˘Le i :ov 9 4[:o 2:v7definition :1O C :1 · § Y:o ! KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E ‹‹B 6 U B B :92:Läv7] :”XO•aR 9:€:˘K „ 4 y OPä 2: v 7 Rule 2(1):fx@:2v l @ ! KB OOOOPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E :dK P7 TS :KgO mvÑ :>Y:K P Q :M@:1n :9 Z 6 B B t‹‹6 V ß : : Lei :s2:f?>g:sv7À :L • 2?9:?9:L v 7 4C 4 C yi @:?>@:Le åLeader of the Opposition means a member of a House, who in the opinion of the Chairman of the Senate, is for the time being, the leader of the members in Opposition to the Government in that House.ç B G B B p :opSO zC 9k]S :sV :”>gmvÑ :… @:>Y:vis-…-vis Leader of the Opposition :KOPQ :rule :M@ B B B U }R 6 •l V for :L •É7 @:LÉ• 7 @:L ] :”XX:˘Lel Š i :@X:oS i 4 : discuss :€\4R :=>:˘Lei : opinion :9D :fx@:†v O C @:˘Lei :o :s B • R B 6 ‹ PT }R :—>:g9D S T»4] :1n Lƒ • É:L y :”X:4E 8:9™R :99‡:O C Q  rightly :@247 :L] :fx@:?>@:Kv O S :Lš ] Y:o4 : and against views UU6 B must be backed and substantiated by :¥–Y:?>@:KCOP TS :Lš•7 Y:¥–Y:L C y :½‡‰ :”X>Y] documents and case laws and the law and Constitution, absolutely right. Then I must also appreciate your frankness and honesty in B :1n :9•^ :1:LO C ] :fx@:€v 4 4E :your the Chamber and I have been already on record B U 6 P•R P Q 7 B PQ I appreciate that. :d9Ojl :KOO :K: detail record :L] X:LšSi • Y: opinion : 9jv7 @: K O Obviously, Chairman in certain cases has to rely on the Secretariat. I appreciate that you realized that perhaps due to the reasons and U B t P•^ G :9Ojl :=?:1C :flaw :sX:KV O :z9OC „ :the factual objections that we have been raising 6 B ¢O] 6 G PQ P ¶ v[ p B ‹ G q :o @:1n :9:”>2:¬9:1:KZCV 47 O COO :X:L]ll :K :L x@:…:€S4 4E :dX:9 Si]O j™|„„l :9^ ?:1:Y?9 C O] ?:@?X:v z9O C :L •V 9 :L :fx@:dXv Si G B :dLei :KB œO] ?Xv] :o pS 6 P t 7B B :opinion :9D :fx@:Lev i :†O C @:˘KO TS :s XSi : emerge :Ly : definition :M@:KO gO mvÑ :>Y ! f94 j4E members in opposition. In the first instance, I can give my :@g® >Y:?>@ honest opinion and views substantiated by different case laws etc. I think that would at least take us further.
75 6 Puv [  ] 6 B P U vE B :˘KO TS :o x@: copies :o9:M9:LDv CV :fx@:˘Lev i :¸ƒ· :9: D opinion :†C :”9 •45 ! KO Q gmjO :f94 j4E B B BBR B If you can kindly look :dKOPTS :sV :add :KOOOOP7Q :M@:KgOOmvÑ :>Y:L] :K PP Q :˘@X:KS i • :2V Y:L ƒ •R É:9D :g m vÑ :; 4E :dLei :definition :sV :M@:KOPQ :M@:at annexure-I of the file I have given to you :?>@:This is Webster 3rd Edition, New International Dictionary Volume II : : Lei :9™uµ :KOPQ :M@ åOpinion means a view, judgment or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter. A brief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge. A notion or conviction founded on probable evidence. A formal expression or judgment or advice by an expert opinion is synonymous with view, belief, conviction, persuasion, sentiment.ç 6 U B P PB }R P B B :M @:=>:1¿C XO•V :KO µ :2:V note :X:K]OOC 9‡:zQ  jœv] :fx@:2@:˘Lev l i :@X:o Si 4 :K Q :case :†O C @:2V Y:9D :M@ ! –@>:f94 j4E B B PB P PR P :fx@:Lv ] :KOQ :X 4E :1n :”X:9?:2S i ST V :2 V Y:Lš • Š :M@:K O Q :PLD 2000 LAH 216.:9X:KZ Si OO• :K Q :annexure B B PQ Š :9OC Y: 1µ @XE : 9 D : M@: X V : fx@:v L] : KO : Lš • : M@: ?>@: Le i 2V Y: 2v 7 : ”9ST >: 9 D : M@: ˘Lei : 9O C Y: Annex-1: X V : Lei :Annex-1(A)dLei åA personãs thought, belief or interference especially a witness, view about facts in dispute as opposed to personal knowledge of the facts themselvesç. This is Blackãs Law Dictionary, 8 th Edition. Since morning I think we have been stuck up on 6 th Edition, I am quoting 8 th Edition. This is Page 1126 and this is on Annex-2. So, you will not find it in Senate library, I think thatãs why I have given you a copy. We are little bit behind on the time track. It is on your Annex-2, I have just read it out. I will take you further and I will just quote the K.J Aiyar Judicial Dictionary, 10 th Edition, 1988, this is at Annex-3
76 on your file I have sent you and this is Page 731. Mr. Chairman, If you allow me I can read it for you: åSomething more than mere retaining of gossip or hearsay, it means judgment or belief that is a belief or a conviction resulting from one what thinks on a particular questionç. Sir, this is also not only a dictionary meaning but it is also an Indian case A. Aiyar, 1959, if you want to note it down. Mr. Chairman: It is already there, 1959 Indian Supreme Court 914. Senator Muhammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, now these are the three different meanings from three dictionaries G }R P }R B V‹ Sir, I will now take you to dLei :@XSi :quote :o4 :KO Q :case :†@:?>@:LeO C i :o4 :~gmk Y:=> the Pakistani superior court on the opinion. I think that is more 6 •\^ ::˚Lei :o :9OjV :superior judiciary :~?93Sp :1n :relevant that we should be talking kindly Annex-:2l @:fx@:Kv OPQ :M@ So, I will take you to the Sindh High Court KOPµ :LŠ :4 Mr. Chairman: I am noting down 129 of 1974. Senator Muhammad Ishaq Dar: Annex-4, PLD 1974, note 129 KHI. Sir, I will just read it out: åAn opinion on the basis whereof a statutory authority is entitled or empowered to take any action or initiate any legal proceedings may be accurate or erroneous but it must be an honest opinion and conviction based on whatÉ..ç This is very important sir,
77 åtangible material capable of sustaining such opinion and not mala fide opinion or a colourable exercise of statutory power.ç Sir, this is in Annex-4, I have given you of Sindh High Court. Let me take you toÉ.. 6 6 G U B V V B P B B œŒjy d9Z :”>@2V :N>z4jq :½‡‰ :s :Section 24 (A):14[ X] :s :f94 j4E :KO Q :˘@XS i :2V Y:X ] :9 D 21 :K O PQ B P U E B It should dLei :KO ´?9:L4C V : General Clauses Act 1O C : :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E be a speaking order. B U B ‹ c ‹ y General Clauses Act 1897.KgB OPQ mjO vE :f94 j4E :o:45:?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj U t P U E B dLei :s x@:amendment :KO Q :General Clauses 1O C ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E : Senator Muhammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, it was incorporated in 1997. B P[ PQ PQ :Lš`:?>@:Leœ i :9OjV : provide :X:fx@:LVv ] :KO :X 4 E :˘Le i :Annex-5:M9vC :LV :fx@:˘”Xv Si :9S T ?:2V : refer :KO :=> B B This is at Annex-5::dLei :@XSi :incorporate :1:1O C n :Lei :99‡:YXOC Q  E :L ] :fx@v åWhereby or under any enactment a power to make an order or give any direction is conferred on any authority, office or person, such power shall be, exercised reasonably, fairly, justly for the advancement of the purposes of enactmentç. 6 B : : Lei :9 j\^:sub-Section 2:9D :M@ ! –@>:f94 j4E åThe authority, office or person making any order or issuing any direction under the powers conferred by or under any enactment shall so far as necessary or appropriate give reasons for making the order, or as the case may be, for issuing the direction and shall provide a copy of the order, or as the case may be the direction to the person affected prejudiciallyç.
78 This is on Annex-5. Now, I will take you to Annex-6. This is PLD 1990, Supreme Court 1092, Section 24, which is regarded as a pillar of good governance was inserted in the General Clauses Act in 1997 after a string of judgment of Supreme Court of Pakistan, superior courts mean High Courts and Supreme Court, emphasizing: åWe need to structure the discretionary power of the Executive. This is important, to structure the discretionary power of the Executive through instruments such as open plans, open policies, open rules, open findings, open reasons, open precedents and informal proceduresç B Sir, this is called the doctrine of structured discretion :”9•R :1¿C X O•V U O G 6 dst XSi :€F4R :€ \ 4R B U B ˚Lei :9„ :”XV :head note :9D :M@:2v7 :”9 • O R ::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B PT6 üÛ P Q B ‹ c ‹ P y :˘KOOS :f9’ :>Y:M9:´gv CO mA :dLei :9Y:XO C V :fx@:Lv ] :K ! –@>:f94 j4E ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj dLei :case :9D :•@:”9@B Q ‹ U B :˚KOPTS :Lei ?:¾2v7 :head note äSã :fx@:dLev i :case :9D :•@:”9@B Q ! 9™v 5 @::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B ‹ c ‹ P y This is Civil dLei : copy : M9vC : LV : fx@v ! –@>: f94 j4E : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj Appeal 682 CM182 and 183ÉÉ.etc. Supreme Court code 1092. ‹ U B A, B, C, D, :˘KOPTS :Lei ?:¾2 v7head note :9„ :”XB V :9 D :M@:fx@:v :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E ‹ 6 ˚KOPTS :Lei ?:¾2v7 :9„ :”XB V :fx@:dLev i :9 C XS i :head note B ‹ 6 B B ‹ c ‹ y I have the :˘Lei :9ä 2v7 : generally :X] :L] :K OPQ ! –@>:f94 j4E ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj 6 d”XSi :9jO7 Y:2V :quote :Ly @:KOPQ :same copy. I did not quote anything. B U ‹ 7 6 bc P•R 6 t R B P U E B :dKO Y:9j47 :head note :L`a :fx@:dKv O :f9:sX:˘Le4C V i :†O ja ::KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E
79 B B ‹ c ‹ y This dLei :head note discretion :9D :M@ ! –@>:f94 j4E ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj B PQ P Q PQ :L] :KOO :dLe i :K :´?9:L4C V : structuring of discretion :KO : para-II :LV :M@: is on äSã ‹ B instead of reading out the whole thing.:˘Lei :9ä 2:Lv7 •q 9 „ :L V :fx@v gist :9D :M@ Mr. Chairman: You are referring to the placitum äSã now. OK. B B B PQ B ‹ c ‹ P y that is all :˘Lei :9OjV:Ò‡W :X4E :X V :fx@:Lv ] :K O ! –@>:f94 j4E : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B :LV : dictionary :X:fx@:LVv ] :K:˘LeOPQ iyŠ :L :L @X:L E V : superior courts of Pakistan 6 ] :¸94 »q :LV :M@:X:Le] i :9Y:1@XO Cµ E :9 D Aiyar :X4E :?>@:meanings an opinion is a judgment, belief, view, interference, thought about a particular matter which may be based on grounds that are not accurately established, proved. But it can not be equated with discretion sir, as advocated my learned colleague Senator S. M. Zafar. As it has been based on tangible material capable of obtaining such opinion and be formed reasonably, fairly and transparently with reasons to be specified G B B q PQ P T ‹ R p }R learned :X4E :´g® >Y:1n :”X:?XS i Œ k :K O :?>@:K O S :Lß 2:v7 annexures :J:9:ª9:LvE OCv v C ] :…:oS 4 @:X 4E B B B P R p P but if I buy the KO • :o:LeS i :interchangeable :1:1O C n :Lei :9•^ :L ] :”X\R @:˘KO TS :speakers argument for a moment that opinion is interchangeable with discretion then it has its own parameters within which one has to exercise the discretion and it has to be structured discretion and it B p dKOOPST :~Y:K P Q :judgments :>Y:”@:LB ] :…S :~?9„ :=>:has a lot of qualifications. ‹ ‹ B B 6 9OjOƒC gm„ x@:˘@zOjPO j V ˘9OOjl :9 j V UK quote ?>@:@XSi :2V Y:”9•D3OR :9 :†µ 9c :´g® >Y:† C :”9 • 4 5 : by my learned friends from other side of the benches, it is a very fundamental thing that if you have something explicit in your own rules, law and Constitution, one does not have to depend outside unless it is vague and it needs interpretation. Our Rule 2(1) is very, very explicit. We donãt have to go for UK, Australia or Canada.
80 6 6 U 6 B d9™R :9 C X Si:L•Š :L V Leader of the Opposition :€ 4 ÓŠ 9D Her Majesty :X ] 2v7 :”9ST >:1¿C X O•V 6 UU •Û shadow Prime Minister, Prime :=>:X] :”9T >:1 n L•l :Lš • 7 Y: arguments :ª :wx@:L4 œ šP `[ U S 4 B 6 6 :st 9™4R :´gO mA :YXE :X ] :”9 • OR situation is different.:”9 •OR d Lei :9C X Si Minister in waiting B R we are seven groups and six 1:9n •^ :o}4 : L] Leader of the House B R ‹ 6 R 6 :sV :fx@:Kv OPQ :o}4 :2v7:?Y?x@:LV :fx@:d9v C XSi :K OP• apply =>:”9•OR :X] :parties plus independents. B U :X4E :9 D single largest party : L] : fx@v 1n :9Z :” >@ 2V attention later on draw that does not apply here. If it was the intention, it was :Lei :9Y:OC concept R it :sl X:Silargest party :o}4 :X4E :1 n very easy. Then it should have been written would be their prerogative and then the matter is closed and there would have been full stop. There would have been no controversy B U P ‹ P ‹ P B P ‹ p P G R E :KO Q :9jOƒC gm„ x@:˘Lei KOOQ :@zOjP jV :˘Lei KO Q :†9µ 3c :”@ :=>:KO TS :L] X Si ´2 v7:… S :KO Q :€F 4 :;4 :1n : at all O B PR PB 6 P Pakistan has a very explicit dLei :KOOO• :K Q :”9jœV 9:2:Lev Cv7 i :K Q :†9µ 3 c :´g® >Y:?>@:Le i 6 B :d”X:9Sijƒv[ :2V :LŠ :X:f9 V 4 j 4 E :½‡‰ :s V rules KOPQ :f@:4 Rule 2(1). 6 B 6• U V7 ‹ D t•‘ t 6 V :s:LÉ• :´2:¥:L47 ] :€94 E ¦ :s@X:…˜ @:s9 ™ 4 R :´g O mA :2v7 :M@ :Lei :f94C :s rules :X4E :1O C BB B B B qiuB C 7 P3Sp p P T p V 6 :L•• x@:˘Lše 9:9v[ja O Y:Y2:Y?@:LÉl • @:KOO :1n :9 •^ :L ] :”X\R @:o:YX:dKS E S :Le i ?:à9 ™ 4 R :2 ß Y@:2 ß Y@:…S :1 n :s :f94C B B After all, we are incomplete if we are solo, we are not :dLše•i 9:9v[ ja uOC Y:L • q 9 „ parliament. We are Senate of Pakistan but together with the National Assembly we are Majlis-e-Shoora or the Parliament of 6 6 B Sp ƒ Sp :Lš•Š :L V :M@ dLše•i 9v[ :9 j a u OC Y:2ß Y@:K OP3 X] :Lei :o • Q guidance :”9•OR :KOP3 :2l @: Pakistan. So, U B }R B XV :”@:fx@B v 2l @ 7, 7(a) and 8,:K:LOPTS ] @X 4F 4 : Annexure-7 and 8:X:f9V 4 j4E :L] :K OPQ 6 U • I think, Mr. Chairman, my life will be much easier.:X:L]l :KOPC 9‡:1Q  » E — Q B G B Ê ŽH œOPC U E B dLei 9D:o4j @:¥ j 1O C ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 B P R B 5 ‹ c ‹ P y :L V 1988 :1O C X] KO µ :LŠ :L ƒ • É:X V 7(a):2l @ f@4 :df94 j4E :o4 ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B ‹ }R P P B P :1O C :?>@:Lei 7(a) Annexure :˘Lei :9ä 2v7 : Rule 2(1):o4 @:L] :K:LOOQ y :K Q:”@ dKO TS rules 6 PB 6 P P Chief of Army :d9™R :one man rule :KOOQ :”9jœV 9:Kv C Q 1988 :1n :Lei ?:K O Q mind :´?9 3Sp
81 Staff was General Zia-ul-Haq and it was a party less Majlis-e- Leader :1n :Shoora at that time. The dictator did not feel it appropriate R 6 B LV : 1998 : dX Si KOPQ Rules of the Senate :o}4 :†:2Y:9:C V D of the Opposition B P B 6 P R B P KO Q 1991 2V Y:1O C 9™R :KO • :2Y:9V D Leader of the Opposition :KO Q : Senate Rules B G 6 R :f94 j4E : you are very much privy to this thing :•@:¸9„ 9:dLe Qi :9 j v7 :o}4 :XV :fx@:d@Xv S i }R P B P U E it was inserted 1:Len i :o4 : note 1:9n kOP[4 :K:O Q rules May 1991, 1O C 1n : !KO Q g mjO v rd XV :fx@:˚@Xv S i :”XO • V :1O C vide SRO 459 (1)/91, dated 23 of May, 1991. Sir, U B § Pjl P Q ‹ t t •Û Pn E Majlis-e-:1n :@XSi :1¶ÐO• :1O C :z·4] :LV :M@:?>@:KOO:K :f?X:s:s:1V4 4 n :@X:2Y:ªSS iV 4 :9:;DO :;4 :1 n :9X:Y9 Z i OC Shoora does not have to be on non-party basis. This was against :=>: € 4 4E the fundamental rights and the Constitution of Pakistan. 6 U PQ t :9OOjl :9 j V :insert XVLeader of the Opposition KO 1991 :z·4] :LV :M@:X:sx@] judgment B G B ŽH œOPC U :´?9 3Sp rules oÊ4j @:¥j :LV :1992 z·4] :L V 1991 :z·4] :LV :M@:?>@:o•l :~Y definition :?>@ 6 6 6 ‹ P V t PuOC P If you :dLei sense :~247 :K O Q proposal :s :€4 E 9¦ :s@X˜ :X:K ] OO™ Y:fx@:2@:dKv l TS :L] 9:x@:M94 [v C compare 1991 insertion in Senate 1988 Rules, you will find an
A word :˚Lei :9OjV :=>: improvement in 2002 rules of the National Assembly. ämajorityã has been inserted,. Otherwise it is a cut paste definition of Leader of the Opposition; a word ämajorityã has been inserted. That is in any case under the democratic principle of majority has to be there but they included in 1992. What happened then next? 6 U B 6 6 6 R B B p d”X:92Si CV :ˆ9 Ï ] @:Ly :”@:KB OPQ :˘¥9:˘o|ŠC} :Lše•i 9:ov [ • OP µ :L Š :s9t 3•iS ?:Ly :”@:KB OP3S :1n :9•^ :L ] :€4 E 9¦ :st @X ˜ 4 6 B B R R R B E :9C –Xq :€4 4E :1 n 9Z :”> 2V :Ò‡W :o}4 @:o } 4 :KOPQ :?>@:@X:oSSi } 4 :¥ D :2 V Y:9D :;4 :Lei :s9t 4 [ :X i problem :KOPQ :2004 U B 6 6 6 5 § :X4E :?>@:9™R : Rule in place :–@> 1992 ¬Õ >:M@ ]:L:X ] XSi votes :LV :€94 E ¦ KB Ž 2Š @:¥ Ð B B B PQ P[ H PQ ‹ y :č94j{Š 9:1n :99‡:LO CQ  ] :fx@v ˘ Lei :K O order LV :fx@:Lv œ š ` :@X Si2v7 basis:o @:Lei :@X Si:f@:K4 O :€ O•POj 6 B :X ]Lei :1¿C X vE single largest party :1n :taking guidance from that NA decision. B PQ B 6 B Leader of the Opposition :KO : 2004 XV €4 E 9¦C :9 –Xq :¬Õ >:M@:?>@:9OO jCl :9 Y:”?>:X V:M@ B ŒjŠ they have realized that they made a KO Lei :Y9OOOC :XV :fx@:?>@:9v jl :9 C Y:2 V declare
82 R R o}4 @:o}4 rules :LV :fx@:v mistake. Now, let us see what is the latest in NA. G B :M@: ?>@: sV : ï>g ® House Business Committee : L] : fx@:v dK OPTS under view B 6 B G ãR V R :L V session M@ 1n :99‡:oOC Q  O :L] :fx@:X:sv ] meeting :Lƒy]• É:L :L X:ï>g:LSi ® V session 6 B ‹ p rules revise :L y 1988 :dLei :f?>gÀ :sV :M@:dL l :K2O7 V rules revise :2V :J •OP4C …S :z·4] :č@?X § B U B R Sir, it is very :dKOOPTS :Lš•V :K P Q : 2007 L] House ´g® >Y ´?93SOp :?>@:L] XSi :K P• 6 U 6 G auOC ‹ B p R auOC :˘L• Y:X:9z@V OC C …S :1n :LV :M@ L] 94’4 :L• Y NA rules :L V 2007 fx@v ! M9 D interesting. 6 B 6 6 6 B auOC E 7 auOC auOOC‹ a u C ‹ :X:L4E• Y:X:L V •ß :L Yx@:LÉ • @ fx@:v dL• Y:X:V x,y,z countries :˘L• Y:X:9VOjOƒC gm„ x@:˘L • Y:X:@z V OjPO j V 6 B BBB PT Œ P•R ‹‹•Šp ] E • Š :M@ ˚K O S :9OjV :rules :LV :M@:dL • „ :—• ^ :K O €•ŽOO :?9:…:gvCS O m· 4 :LV :;:Le4 i :1ÐE :9:€ DC3 • Ž ?9:~?9 v Sp PQ It is a categorical :dLei :9Ojl :X Si clear : 1O C : f@:4 ?>@: Lei : @X Si Rule 39 insert : K O R B :o}4 @ Obviously : d 9Z X Si Leader of the Opposition LšÜ] ?Y:L V :;:4E process 6 I am sure, all with open mind, will :X:L]l :”X:S i revise €4 4E : Senate rules B PQ}R P Q 6 } R bc :KOO :M@:o4 :K :?>@:9™R :99‡:oO C Q  4 :La ` :L ] :fx@:v contribute and make sure contribution. 6 G B p :X Si improvement :KOOOPQ :M@:2l @:?>@:Ll :K2 7 V :r9D :K P Q :M@ JR 9„ :LV :~?@Y:”9B 3OR @:•@:¸9 k ]SS @:… :d”X i B G B 6 ¼H ŽH œOPC p 6 6 :9ja4b :K:X:dLOOPQ ˜ l :K2 7 V improvement :K OPQ rules :L V 2007 :LV :oÊ4j @:¥j :…:XS ] XSi :o •Œ„ ‹ :dLei :clear :@247 :NA rule 1O C :1 n :”X Si G 6 B ‹ P B P U vE B :”XSSi :9C 2V :M?@2 l :Ly :fx@:?>@:”Xv i :9S T ?:¾2 v 7 XV Annexure-8:KO Q :f@:4 !KO QgmjO :f94 j4E Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the National : 1 n åThe Speaker shall :1n :Lei : Rule 39, sub Rule 3 9D Assembly, 2007 declare a member as Leader of the Opposition heading the greatest numerical strength after verification of the signatures of the ‹ B U c tP•R 6 V t :2l @: ˘g4 m3 :†O C @:½g À:LV :s?9:†@:dLevCO C i :KO :f9:s4 C single party :s X V membersç. 6 B G }R P B B 6 V U Leader of the Opposition :o4 :=>:X:K]O TS 9v[ :9X:€ CS i 4 E 9 ¦ :”@‡ü‘ :L V €‘ 9345 :s :€4 E 9 ¦ :>9gv C O m„ 6 It is a trust you repose, the majority of the opposition dKOPTS :L •Œ„ XSi member would decide. It is not the size or the strength or the R interpret :Ly @ fx@:2v l @:Lei :opS >:o } 4 :wx@:4 numerical number of that party. Even
83 :9 removal KOPQ rules LV but now it gives clarity. 2007 Rules :Ll :K2O7 V D• •‘ 6 b¼H PQ }R PQ }R :… @:1:”X:9n Si ja4 :K:dLeO i :9O j l :x@ process o4 :9 D vacancy :KO :M@:dLei :9Ojl :x@:o 4 process B B B B 6 V auOC p D B 6 t :s :L• Y:2ß Y@:2 ß Y@:…S :1n :9Y:LOC ] :”X\R @:¥ :X 4 E idea :9D :”@:?>@:9O C Y idea :9™v 5 @:€ \4R L] :€94 E ¦ :s@X ˜ B G B U PQ B B B ŒjŠ P™uOC P QÊ ŽH j œOP C R :2007 :dLl :”X:KSi O :mind :LV :”@ rules :L V 2004:č94jŠ 9 { KO :KOO Y:K:o4j @:¥ :L] 94’4 6 B p B B ‹ 6 :d9™[jR :Lše•i 9:9va uOC Y:KOOSOOPP3TS :dKSSS :L • q 9 „3 :´?9p :dK P T :L ] @2:N9v7 „[ :?9:dK v P T clear :´247 :X ] rules :L V B U 6 i B 7 B R V P3Sp :d9™R :Lše• 9:99:2:Lv [C[4 V Š :L l x@ XV :fx@:LÉv • @:2V :JŒOC Y:X V :”@:L ] 94’4 :s :”X Œ ¶Q :´g ® >Y:K O 6 p G B mindset :´?93Sp :1 C ˘KOPTS :Lei ?:2V :f9:…C S :s V opinion :X 4E 1n Lei :1C :M?@2l :~gO mA : O UU 4 O • R uC B B 6 :‡ü‰ :…@:;@:KO O] OPQ :dLei :sX:XtSi 4 E :s@>??9: t D dKOP™ O Y argument @?Y fx@v ! f94 j4E ,:Lei :f9C :s V U 4 PQ P T t 6 6 6 H •y B :KOO :dKS :s 9™4 R :€4 y :´gO mA :d”XSi :92 C V :r@g mÑ @:€ \ 4 R 9D :€4 y :?>@ €94 E ¦ :Y94 ’ :…O >:f94 j 4E :˘€4 E 9 ¦ 6 B B B t B PQ 6 Fc :J9R „ :LV :€4 E 9 ¦C¦ :s9?:94 ?:dLe i :9O jDV :r9:K O committees èƒj across the divide :L ] B B PQ PQŠ ‹ H B 7 P Q :L] :KO :˘Lei :9OjV r9D :L] :KOOO :Lš• :L V :Y?@X@:oO] :è@:K@:dLeO ] i :9OjV :r9:K D :committees :~g® >Y BB6B 6 }•V PQŠ•q 7P Q Š • q 7 ‹ :o4 :L]i :K:dLeOOOO :9OOjDV :r9:Lš •V :L :…OO 2:KX7œO PC @:L ]i :K:˘Le :9 jD V :r9:Lš •V :L :… 2:KX 7 ß ?9 ™ R @ B B • B B 6 PQ G p P•R preference :X:”9V jœV 9:Lv C ] :K O :1kOP3S : d9OjV :KO :r9 D :2 V JV ?:‡‚] z:XQ V political affiliation U 6 ‹ c 6 6 Š :fx@v X] X § :=>:st XSi :oëµ :2v7 >@:L V :fx@:v L`ab :‡avR :X:K] OPTS :L ] 2:f9:sV V discretion fx@:€v 4 4E :KB ŒOj :Lei :~Y 4C B PQ 6 B l t I think, nobody could :dKO :´:?94C :L V discretion :9™R :N>?:9O j V 9D :”@:1n :s XSi :s @>2V :Y9O C :X V B B 9OjV L] :”X\R @ be more guiding personality for us than Quaid-e-Azam. 6 PT 5 6 you are a legal person. Sir, let me take you to :˘KO S :ª:X:fx@:˚94 4 ] v ™R :9O j V ‹ ‹ B Ê B which was adopted as an €ŒOC @:9OC zC @:?>@:oQ :~Y@?x@:€ 4 4 E Annexure 8(a) sir. Sir, :interim Constitution. The Indian Act, 1935, Independence Act, 1947 G B PTVPvC P Q6 B VB P Q V EB E Annexure 8(a) ˘ KOOOS :s :;O :K :€z:sq [ :f94 j4E :L] :K :”9O jDv 7 9:s :;4 :?>@:Le i :r9:9:; CD 4 B • •‘ U 6 He had all the discretion :d9OC Y:2 V refuse :L] :€94E ¦ :… @z9:˘Le C ± i :9 jj\^ :9O V :=> available to him. In his discretion, in his sole discretion, the way he 6 PR P 7B dKO™ :YX 4E X:K q O Q :M@ KO gO mvÑ :~?9„ :1O C :would like to decide.
84 He was vested with supra discretion powers because these were not meant for Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, those were meant for the gora Sahib B B B ‹ B 6 6 ‹ V E B Pj47 ‹U ‹ :d9OOjV :9 j V :L ] Founder of the Country d9™R :92 C V N>gmj :X:LV‚ :M@:X4 E :KO :¬>9:Y?–7 Q B B B • R 6 6bc •‘ U 6 B :K OP• adopt :X V Constitution J9R„Ù :LV :f9@2:”@:L`E B a :1n :9 •^ :L ] :€94E ¦± :… @z9:fg C ¨ E B c B :€4E 9¦ :w9 j 4E :oÊ{ :z 3 b This is history of Pakistan. Let me read it sir,:dLei :92C V B PQ :XV : fx@:v K O Sir, the great man introduced proviso 8(c) and :˚9OOjV :9 j V :L ] E PQ U as :9OOjl :9 j V adopt :XV :; 4 Act :@?9„ :=>:1n :K O Annexure 8(a):9Z :”>94 [ :2V :LŠ :2 v 7 Page-2 B B :s lzC ? provisional Constitution of Pakistan. The provisional Constitution B B 6 PQ :–@>:—•vR :9DjC :”9œV 9v :=>:?>@:9O j V :M9 v C :L ] Democratic Assembly :X4E :@X S i :9kO] @:?94 C :†O C @ :½g À:K O Provisional Constitution of Pakistan, 1947 which was :Lei Constitution B uµ B åprovided :KOOP™ :K:M@:1:9 P Q n •^ :L] :€4 E 9¦ :w9 j 4E adopted but with what proviso? that so much of set provisions as required, the Governor General or any Governor to act in his discretion or exercise the individual judgment as respect any matter shall cease to have effect as from B • B • •‘ U PR P B Ê c •‘ U :M@ :L] :€94E ¦ :… @z9: C ± ˘9?:1ST •^ :KOO• :K: Q !f94 j4E : ˘o{ :z3b :… @:z9: C ± the appointed dayç. B B ‹ ‹ B ?9|] @:L y L] 2 V as first Constitution of Pakistan adopt XV 1935,:€ŒOC @:Kz@B O7 C 6 B • 6 B U B G B 6 B P™R •‘ U 6 B E P 3 Sp ƒ ãR p •PC M@:dKO :~Y:L] :… @z9:fgC ± ¨ :K O :X:L 4E • [ É:2:”Xv7 • 7 –:o @:…:1S n M9 D:˚ —|] :9OOjV :14 ’O :?>@:9Y:2 C V PQ p 6 6 B V :fx@:Kv O d~Y2V :oS 94jjjj7 :˘9OO lV :9 :=9 4 7 :2:r9:Lv 7 C V discretion :X V financial sovereignty :s :† ¶Q 6 Pn R ˘ ˘ ”XSi :9jŒ„ :2 V quote ;O :M9v’v :X V discretionary powers of quota, discretionary powers of plots, discretionary powers of import permits, discretionary powers of 6 B B B •E § ‹ as Commerce :Lei :9jV :… :L ] :KOPQ :X:”@:LV B yV :¥ Ð :L :•@:˘”9?9 C Z 3000cc Mercedez 6 B OO •E B ] p B :… :KgO7 O mvÑ :o¢O @ :2V :¥:KQOP 3 S :?>@ XV :fx@v ! f94 j4E : dKOPQ : Minister of Pakistan, 1997-99 6 ‹ B B B U B B 6 R t6 Ê p l t :z9:1:dX:LeC ±O C ]i :92:L CV Š @X:”9 E jCœV 9:†v O ja :X V generation s9jœV 9:ov C Z @:L] :…:2@:s:”X:SSl is 2 V B B • PQ PQ B Ê c •‘ :XV :M@:KO :1 n he refused, he said :1n :9OjV :Ò‡W :Ly :fx@:Lv ] :KO :X 4E 9D w9j4E :o:z{ 3b :… @
85 B Š XV :Constitutional Assembly :LV :2:s9gV t C ¹c fx@v KB ŒOj provisionally :9Z :”>2 V adopt B 4 B B 6 B P R P P R ^ bc B 7B P ^ :?>@:>Y:N9|] :X V M@:˘9C 2V :zjœv] :KO • X V:M@:KOOQ :dLše•i 9:Kv[ • :JvF :L` a :dL Š 9 | ]:KgO O mvÑ :~?9„ :1O C:=> :1n :K O • U B Could anybody imagine that he would be unjust, unfair, do•l :s9Š |] :‡avR dishonest or would not take a decision as per his conscience. Nobody could believe then now or even in future, even our most G 6G 6 B H 6 R :L] 2:;VOPvC :r—„ :X:€V O••F :s:”@:˘KV B O P TS :L ] 2 V respect :sV :”@B :o}4 :wx@4 difficult enemies 6 B • 6 ‹ V 6 § BBÊ c •‘ U 6 b¼H PQ PT :f9XST4E >:~2:s47 :M@:X:9 ] ™R :9O j V :1¶ÐO• :1:LO C ] w9j4E :o{ :z3b :… @:z9:f9 C ±j4 4E :2@:1:”X:9l n Si j a 4 :K:O dKO S 6 B B B 6 P•R Š H B P™R observations :~?93Sp :X 4E :1:X:d9O C ] O j V :K O accept :XV :M@:Lš• :o @L ] :”X \ R @ ˘–@>:f94 j4E :K O 6 B PT P C t p PT I am :1n :KOOS :K 9:s@2:o>:1:4C v7 S O C opinion is inter-changeable with discretion.:1n :K O S the Caesar, and Caesar is law. King has died and long live the 6 B B B •E ] y :1?>:K2C O7 V :… :XV :”Xv E X ˜ :s V Fifties and sixties :dKOP¶| :g S T9:LC y :oü —:M@Ù King. Sir, 4 B 6‹ P R B 6 We have to be honest, we have to be dedicated :d9jŒ„ :¾2:K47 O • :Ll x@:”9 j œ V 9v C to the principle of honesty and the law and to respect the rule of
:M@:~?93Sp : X4E :1:O C law and law and the Constitution of Pakistan otherwise, H 6 6 It is compounding sir, :dLei :L y :1>:o4[ @:1:LeO C i :¬9:¬>Š[ Õ U B dKOP¶v[ :2 v7 Next point :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, I am not irrelevant, 6 6 P :d”XSi :9?:´Y:JSTR 9 „ annexures :XV :fx@:Xv ] :K O Q U B dLei Annexure 8(b):9D :fx@:v :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B U 6 B ‹ c ‹ y :KOOPQ : ?>@: 9Z : ”>–Y: 14[ X] : sV : fx@:v K P Q : =>—{ : LV : M@df94 j 4E : o45 : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj U B U U B B •7 t ^ G :@?Y Sir, 8(b):dX:gSivO mÑ :o :sX:1:Lš VO C •Š :L V :”XO • 7 9™4 R :Jv F :z9OC „ :9:”>2 Z V Annexure 8(b) quote u dKOP™ OC Y P U E B :d”XSi :9?:JST ŒOC Y:KO Q ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E
86 Senator Muhammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, this is a book åConstitutional and Political History of Pakistanç. B }uµ V 6 U E B ˚Lei :o :L ] :; :f94 jV :1O C :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B B }uµ B B ‹ c ‹ P y :XV :M@:L ] Oxford Publication :dLei :o :L ] :”9:z9:1:[Q [ O C:?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 6 6 B B •ƒQ 6 bc B :€4 4E :1n :2:JV ŒOC Y:X:”>gVvO mÑ :”@:Lei :o :¬XO7 Ö]] :X:L` a :read page 2, ! f94 j4E :dLei :9O j V publish B B 6 PiSt‹‹bc 6 6 P j4E • FÍ 6 P :Lei 9:Kv[[OOOj 9:s2:L` v Š a :?>@9 ™CR :92:K Š å :ªO :X:9] ™ R Commerce and Finance Minister :K O Q B B B PQ P µ ‹ t B V PQ :LV 2 V mark :L] :KOO :X:fx@:1V v n :Le i :N9OjE :@gO mA :dK :¾2:1:Lv7O C V 2:s9g V 4 C ¹ c ! f94 j4E :d”XSi :—O j @:K O B PQ 5 dLei :9OC Y:L V 2 V highlight :XV :fx@:Lv ] :KO :˘Le i page 77 1O C :o4 :dLei :~Y åThe birth of a nation and the death of Jinnah.ç This is the 2 nd half title of the book. åConstitutional and Political History of Pakistanç and åThe birth of a nation and the death of Jinnahç, this is the title of the book. What does it say? åThese discretionary powers and the special responsibilities were restricted through an amendment in the Indian Independence Act, 1947 under Section 86 of the Act of 1947, the powers of Governor General or any Governor to act at his discretion or to exercise individual judgment, lapse from 15 th of August, 1947.ç B P V B :Lšœn :?>@:½‡:;:L‰ ] :fx@:1v n :Le i : guidance :?>@: message :9D : founding father :1O C ! f94 j4E B BB :dLei :L •q 9„ :L V :fx@:=>v ! f94 j4E :dX:†:M@:LeV ¶Q i :9 j ƒ v[ :2:LV Š :L l x@ Sir, let me just sum up and close this so that I can come to the second point. 6 B R B basic : sV : M@: ˘o } first constituent Assembly :~?93Sp :X:1:9 4E n ™ uOC Y:L] :fx@v ! f94 j4E 6 R sir, let me just read it out, just for your :˘o} :X 4E principles committee 6 B B :9™R :9O j V Objectives Resolution articulate ::X4E :L] :”X \ R @ record
87 that was unanimous. That was accepted and approved unanimously in the first Constituent Assembly and that is åGrund Normç for the future Constitutions of Pakistan. B B 6 ‹ B U E B :M@:dLei :9OC Y:2V :2 V Y:9 D annexure :† C 8(b):L] :fx@v ! €4 E 9¦ :?@Y::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B 6 ‹ PQ 6 7 PT i B B 7 :d”XŠ :2V :fX ] :KOO :1n 9C :K 2 V :Clear :˚KOOS :L• e 9v[ :9 j\^ :9O j V :fx@:f@:Lv 4 y :”@:˘K Y:2 V formulate :fx@:Xv V B B PQ6 B P Q B ‹ c ‹ P y :Lei :9Y:2OC V : formulate :L] :KOO :˘”X:9Si jiS 9:9v [ j \ ^ :1:KO C ! f94 j4E :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 1n sir, we should do away with any discretion. This is my formulation. B }R P y B U E B opinion :1n :Lei :1O C line of argument :o4 @:9D :fx@:dKvO j :@?Y:fx@: v :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E is not discretion. Senator Muhammad Ishaq Dar: Opinion is not interchangeable with discretion and we should be guided by the Founding Fatherãs vision. why I am referring to the Objectives : ”X:Si 9?:T 2 V substantiate : K OPQ U S 6 5 bO•v7 t 6 6 ¢V :99:€C4 [ v av :LÉa :L V : mask :=>:˘Lei :s XSi :fI@24E :†C :wx@:X4 V dictator :o :9OjV Resolution sir? B B U 6 B R V 6 B Š :˘KOOOPµ :JŒOC Y:fx@:Kv B P C x@:r93R :d–9 | ] :K P • :L] :o¢ :†:wx@C 4 Objectives Resolution !f94 j4E:KB ŒOj :Lei 6 Objectives Resolution has been part of the Constitutions. : †C : wx@4 PQ 6 •ƒ{ discretion :X4E :K O :M@:?>@:Lei :f9:=z4C ’O :†@:=>:O C Whether that is acted upon or not B B B PQ that was a decision which is obviously historic :1n :9OjV :Ò‡W :L] :KO :=>:Le i 2Y:9V D and that is what I would be referring to sir. Sir, now I take you to the next point. Unfortunately, I must also point out U •l ] :do :x@:;v @> discretion :1O C :1 n B U P•R 6 t B P U E B :dKO :f9:sX:4C V:KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E
88 B B ] P•R P Q B ‹ c ‹ P y :x@:;v @> Discretion :d9–:KOOCOO :K :˚9–:”X C V : Discretion :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj U B B U :M@:L] x@:L Š :‡ avR discretion =>:LšÜ] ?Y:L V : RCO 1985 :dLšÜ] ?Y:L V dictator †C @:‡avR :do •l 6 O t ] PQ with a uniformed President and that :Lei :s x@:;v @>:=?94C >Y First time :dKO :† ¶Q B B p ‹ B :9™uOC Y:L] :…S :d@?Xav5 :2 V–:;v] @>:L] :”X\R @:X V :weapon :M@:?>@ has been part of the RCO ^ :KOPQ :M@:?>@:@XSi :N9[ :X 4 E :L y 58(2)(b) :?>@:@?93Sp :@XSi :N9 [ :JvF :X 4 E right, left and center :‡avR :1 n B PPPQ•QR t V P Q B }R § 6 :fx@v later on :KOOOO :˘9|›y :9 Š :K :K :s9:s v D :fx@:X:M@:KvV :č94 j{Š 9:dLei :o4 :1¶ÐO• :†@:1O C n :Le i :9 j v 7 :X:f V v x@ :X V discretion Ly :L Š @X:LE V 58(2)(b):dLš•Š :L V : reference :LV :fx@:9v Z :”>Y:´Y:=>:X V I am sure you must be..É.:dLei :9OOjl :9 j V discuss Mr. Chairman: I have read a lot of judgments on discretion. G 6 B st 6 B P B 5 ‹ c ‹ P y 31 of :X4E :1:1OOC n :9™R :9?:2:M?@2:1:KS TV l C O Q :X:df9 ] 4 j 4E :˘o:4 :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 ^ R th :˘KOOP™ ?:K P Q mind :o}4 :X:V 18 Amendment :fx@:˘Lv aR Rules :L V January, 1988 ^ R Sir, there is a variety of things I can :dKOOP™ ?:K P Q mind :o}4 :X V Article 17(2) dilate for hours on this thing but I believe my core point is that there was and there is no scope of opinion being changed or B :X V point :M@:KOPQ :˘@z•“ : substituted with the discretion of the Chairman sir. 6 6 •a4R t P P ^ B 6 P R :1˘”X:9O C SijO7 Y:ª4 O :s9:X:fx@:Kv D VvOOQ :X:K ] • :fx@:2@ v l by the way !f94 j4E :d”XSi :9 C 2 V close KO •O B PQ 6 }R PQ p I would not read, it is :˘KO :´?94C :L V 58 (2) (b):9™R :9?:2:Ò‡S T V W :o4 @:KO :X 4E :Lei :o>S the whole page of that judgment. Sir, now let me come to the second issue i.e. members in Opposition. Sir, we will try to narrow down the issue, only then we will proceed. Sir, obviously a lot of controversy has arisen here that members in Opposition
89 U 6 R PTt 6 P Q PT B let :˘Lei :factual position :X4E :Lƒ• É :?>@:K O S:sX:2?9Si O7 Ú] :€\4 R :KO :´?9:L4 C V PML (Q):˚KO S :”X V PQ H :M9:LvCV :fx@:dLev i :KO :´?9:L4 C V :o @ Annexure 9:9D :fx@v me run down quickly sir, :dLei attested copy :sV :M@ Mr. Chairman: This is Annexure 9. These are correct copies. U B 6 B •q P B c R }R 5 5 ‹ c ‹ P y :o : 4:˘KO TS :”@g4 m3 :ªv 9vC:1O C :do attested copy :1O C :do4 :˘o 4 ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj dLei :Annexure 9:1O C :9D :2011 Five honourable members of PML (Q) requested for allocation of seats on the Opposition benches. Actually they were already sitting here. They refused to move to the other side and you were gracious enough to accept their request. th B This is dated 20 of May 2011, this :dLei Annexure 10 :w‡‰ :oH @ ! f94 j4E 6 P I would :X] :Lei common :†O C @ basically :KO Q :M@:?>@:is by another 5 members. U B B G PB œ ƒZ = = :L •V sign :KO Q :”X>Y:L] ] :14 jE 9¦ :zOj© y :K 5+4 9 because :1 ¿¶4C not treat 5+5 10 U U B U U B B B U Sir, then I will :dKOPST :L] X:LSi • V sign :KOPQ :”X] >Y:o•q :20 :?>@:o•q :4 L] :”X\R @:o•©O] :KOPTS :L ] X S i B ‹ t head of a party :?>@:?zOjŠ :s93O•Š ?9:†@:1v C O C n X4E : take you to this letter quickly B G PQ 6 B PkE 6 H :9D :”Xl X Š 30 :KO :M@:dLei : Annexure-11 :1:˘9O C ™™R :9 u µ :X:fx@:LVv ] :€94E ¦ :KO :€9 ‘ 4 ’ :~?zXS T v E B B ‹ ‹ B B B B B B B :fX] :~247 :1O C :˘X V :”X 4 E 6:@X:NXSi Ûq X :çE :1:XO C V :fx@:1v ¿ C –9[ :Lei :9 j P :X V 9:”@:L] :fx@:2@:1v ln :Le i :9OOjl :9 j V :2Y V B B 6 G PQ P Q B 6 Š We have :˚@XSi :9OjV :X V :”X 4 E 6:1n :9:”>2:¬9:X:fx@:KZV47 CVvOO :z· 4] :K :1 ¿ C XO • V :Lei :f9:s@>:L4 C ] 2 V somewhat direct link of occurrence of vacancy, cut off date, rule, principle of no changing ground realities and what happened on 6th :?>@: of June. So, this is a letter which was received on 6th of June B B B B VB E th R B c :fx@:sv :K4 :1n :X V 9 June :9™uµ :XV :fx@v letter ?>@:†O C @:L] :”X\R @:‡av :d9™uµ :9 D :”@g4 m3 :30 :L] :”X\R @ B dKO7 Y:2 V change :fx@v seats :sV :”@:˘KB O7 Y2V :seats recognize :L ] This is another letter which is at Annexure 12. I have placed on the file sir.
90 B B B ‹ B p • V y B :9OjV :NXÛVE >:X:”X4 :JvE :L] :”X \ R @:1n :Le i :o?:x@:‡S ‚] acknowledgement :s:€94 E ¦ :~227 ŒOj :č94 jŠ 9 { B B B P P P P R :K O Q lunch :L] :KOOOQ :1n :K TSS :Lš •Š :M@:1:KO C T :Le i ?:JŒOC Y:2 v7 annexures g4 m3 :L] @2v7 :fx@:Xv 4E :1O C :dLe i So, that is little bit extra :dLei :sV : renumbering :sV :M@:˘Lei :s V exercise :=?9C >Y U 4 B B 6 6 :dXSi :1:é9C] ¦ :¬Õ >:9 D :fx@:1v n 9 C time I had to take ‹ BB R PR P R U E B dLei :†O ja :˘KOO• :˘K • :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B th B ‹ c ‹ y 9 of :X4E :Lei Annexure 13 ! –@>:f94 j4E :z·4] :LV :M@: :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj B B R 6 B B :?>@:Lei :ªO ?9C :2v7 :M@:?>@:Le i :@XSi :N XÛ >:X V :”X 4 E 10 :1:LeO C i :9™uµ :ç:X:LE 4E ] :€94E ¦ :~?zX:˘LeS T v E i :9 D June B B :There are three letters on record, sir.:dKO7 2 V review :fx@:1v n :Lei :9•^ :L ] :”X\R @ B B :†O C @:?>@:Lei :@X Si receive :XV :”X4 E :J vE undated :†O C @:˘Lei :9D :”X 4E 9:†@:9O C D :€4E 9 ¦ :~?zXS T vE B B So, this is the third letter :dLei :9™uµ :XV :”XB 4 E 9:Lš•Š :L V review of seats :L] :”X\R @  BBPT sahib debate :o9:~?9D3SOp :2:”@:˘Kv7 S :”94 j¦E 9 9:X4E :1:O C that Chaudhry has written. B U PQ Pn ‹ 6 6 b¼H P Q •Û t If you :dKO :´?9:L4CV :;O :f?X:M@:9V ™CQR :99‡:LO  ] :fx@:˘”X:9v SS i j a4 :KO :?>@:L yi :ª4 :Le :sX i see, sir, annexure 14. I have provided you. This is a writ petition B 6 B :€94 E ¦ :”9:gB [mÑ @:”X9O] 3 SOp :KPQ :M@: No.6377 of 2010 in Lahore High Court. :KOPQ :M@:?>@: as Secretary General of this likeminded Group KOPTS petitioner Êkq B 6 P :~?zST X vE ( )ˆ :áO jŠ :… :”9jœV 9v C ECP, Federation of Pakistan,:˘K O TS respondent B G PT P Qt P T B PkE 6 H :dKOOOSS :~Y:XV :fx@:Lv ] :K :sv 9D :1O C :dK in person :€94 E¦ :KO :€9 ‘ 4 ’ Mr. Chairman: What is the prayer in this? This is on page 7. Please read it. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, prayer is, åIn view of the foregoing it is respectfully prayed that; (a) a declaration may kindly be made that the Election Commission of Pakistan possesses the authority and is under an obligation to determine disputes regarding the conduct of intra-party elections in accordance with the mandate contained in Article 17(4) of the Constitution of Pakistan, 1973, read with Article 218(3) and Sections 11, 12 and 14 of the
91 Political Party Order, 2002, Section 6 and Section 7(A) of the Election Commission Order, 2002 as well as Section 5 of the Allocation of Symbols Order, 2002.ç This is prayer No.1, sir. Prayer No.2, åthe order of the Chief Election Commissioner dated 31 st October, 2009 be declared contrary to the Law and the Constitution of Pakistan, 1973 and to direct the honourable Chief Election Commissioner to entertain the grievances urged by the petitioner in the petition that was disposed of by the Chief Election Commission through the impugned order.ç Prayer No.3 or prayer No.C, as the numbering here is C, åTo direct the respondent Federation to ensure that the Election Commission of Pakistan is facilitated through the provision of all necessary resources for carrying out of its functions with respect to the intra-party election disputes. Mr. Chairman: Is it pending? Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: it is still pending to the best of my knowledge and memory but perhaps Haroon Khan sahib can confirm that if it is still pending or it is disposed of. ‹ R 5 U E B next please.:Lš•ƒ É[ :dLe i :pending :1O C :˘†O ja :o4 ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: As I said we have to narrow down the issue. That while this case is subjudice, number one, B 6 ] B R I would like to draw your kind attention to Ahmed :gO m·4 :Lß z9:zCC O j \ ¼ :?>@ B U 4 PR t6 P‹ t P :KOOO• :M9:´gvCO mA :sv 9 D™ :=>:d9R :K Q :f?XV :s 9:?XS T S i –:K Q 1958 X4E Saeed Kirmaniãs case dLei R U B dLš• `FO Y:´Y:citation :sV :M@::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B 6 B P R •×] V ‹ c ‹ P y I tried to dig in :Lei :KO • :¥O j :M9:´gvC O mA :s:M@: :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj p U q B for the sake of :Lei :o>:1S ¶jœ :2:?X:~Y9v7 ‰ OjP4C the library but could not get it.
92 sovereignty of the House, the matter related to conduct the proceeding fairly and reasonably rather than permitting any external P B :1O C : issue :KO Q :M@ ! –@>:f94 j4E directive which may become unnecessary, sir. B 6 R virtually electoral :X:;:LV4E ] :€94 E ¦ :s@X:˘9:”Xt ˜ƒ Z v[ :2:LV Š :L l x@:KOPQ :o}4 @:X:fx@:?>@:L V v ei B and I believe subject to objections from both sides to a :9OC Y:r9 C :9 D : college U B •q :I will take you later to that :9OjV record XV :o 19 L] :fx@:1v n :X4E :certain degree B = c Š :disenfranchise :X V 9:fx@:€v 4 4E 26+9 35.:Lei :€4 ƒ»q :9D :”@gB 4 m3 :X] :KOPQ :M@ virtually KB ŒOj 6 6 you are disenfranchising 25 % of the strength of the X:K:L] OPTS ] 2 V opposition members. This is my point that obviously judgment is to B B but I think I Lei :o•O7 Y:L ] :fx@:Xv 4E :be in the light of Law and Constitution deem it fit and I believe that 25 % of the total Opposition membersã strength as per the record of the Senate on 19 th of May, 2011 to be adjusted according to the objection raised by both the parties. I think it does not warrant that 25 % of the total Opposition membersã strength should be disenfranchised. Sir, that is my core point which I would like to bring to your notice. I will now, sir, one by one, draw your attention. U B I will quickly run down.:2v7 :M@:˘KOPTS :L] XSi :Lš ] Y annexures already :XV :fx@:Lv ] :K OPQ B B B PQ that was annexure 9 which you Lei :9Y:9OC D :”9 D ?@: 5 ! f94 j4E :X:fx@:LV v ] :KO :†@O C have already seen. U B do45 :˘o 45 :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B 6 B 6 6 6 ‹ c ‹ y d”XSi :9 jŠX:g:€4] O mC \4R :K OPQ :1n :Lei :9x@:1 C ¶ Z :L y :½‡:s:€‰ V 4 y ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj I thought that you are faster than me, sir. }R ¢ V V B P U E B :o4 :X:oV :2 v7 authenticity : s : ”@: ˘K O TS documents :X4E :1:O C :KB OPQ gmjO v : f94 j4E B dLei :K OP•R dispute
93 B B 6 PQ P Q P • R }R ¢ V ‹ c ‹ P y :9OjV :@X:1Sin :9:”>2:f9:K ZV4 C OOO :z·4] :2:M@:Kv 7 :dLei :K :o4 :X:o V ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 B B P R bc ] V 6 but we will talk :˘L•ƒQ :KO • :1:L`:gO C aO m· 4 :L V : intervention :s :fx@:1vn :Lei :9jv7 :XV :fx@:dLe v i R So, I am only referring those dKOOPTQS :LÉŒ[ :¥:2:LÔQ ƒ Q :o}4 :Lš`:K œ P [¶ P v[ about it later. B 6 R :~Y copies :o}4 :L] :€94 E ¦ :s@X:t ˜ documents which are without any dispute. B B R ¢• V R :˘Lei :~Y list :s V 5 members :XV :fx@:Lv ] :KOOPQ :dLe i :K P • dispute :9D :… :o¢ :o } 4 :2:”@:Kv7 B OPTS B B PQ PQ R :L] :KO d9YOC annexure 10 :X:fx@:LV v ] :KO :‡av :which is Annexure 9.:X V 4-5-2011 B B B PQ :L] :fx@:v one was duplicate, so it reduces to 9:KO :M@:1n :Lei :9OjV :Ò‡W :L y :fx@:YXv E 6 B U }R VBB Œ Š B sir, you have : ˘o request :s :”X>2:”X>Y:”@:Xv]l ]4 E :1:KO C Oj :Lš•7 Y:?>g:À remarks entertained to allocate them seats here. I personally believe once seats were allocated and the members were allowed to continue to
nd :X4E :?>@:sit in Opposition and not move to the other side on 2 of May B B PQ B 6 nd :K O : N9OjE : ´gO mA : X V right : M@: LV : ”@: L ] : fx@:v ˘9 ™R post 2 May period : 9D : M@ we will go little bit in detail that why they :z·4] :LV :M@:?>@:9OjV acknowledge :~?zST XvE :X 4 E cannot be refused because the Constitution is very clear. 6 B 6 G •Ž¢• B t bc B 6 Senate of :1:1OOC n :Lei :o z:14C C ! f94 j4E :dLei :s–Y:14[ X:X:fx@:L`] V v a :2:M@:Lev7 i :çE :9:€ D¦’4 E 9 :€ ‘ 9 H B B B 6 U 4 p 6 B B ] FR :KOOOP3S : K P Q : M@: dLei : K P • R : 1jy @XFR @z [ level :9:¥k X:9:¥V O j • : st XV : 1C : ˘Lei Pakistan DO C B O B • B highest moral :”9•OOR :˘Lše•i 9v [C :92:=g9VS T »Dq :9:~?@z9C 3•OR @:”9 R :dLše • i 9 v[ :s2t V seriousness show B B iS iS We should :dKOPOj 9:Lv[ ] X Si highest moral ethics :2:”9v7 •O R :˘KOPOj 9:sXv [ t Si grounds be the role model for the rest of the democratic institutions in B U B C 5 tq B ŒjŠ :9OjV :twice challenge :X:M@:LV ] :€94E ¦ :¥z:o9:s9O { 4 [™4 R :´gO mA :L • 9 „ :L V :fx@:Kv O :Pakistan. that this part of the letter was unlawfully written. Part of this : Lei letter was illegally attached or connected to ANP. They disowned, B U R BB B :´?93SOSp :dLei :KP• :9 jjOO7 Y:9 P µ :sX:Lt V y :”@:@?9B 3• p :o:1:945 n ^ :”X \ R @: not once, sir, but twice. U B B POPTSt BB 7B B P 6 B E ‹ P y :detailed order :fx@:€v 44E :dKOOOj 9:sX:zv[ Si j 47 :KgO m vÑ :1:dLeO C i :9 ™uµ :çƒ{ :K Q :M@:r9:9:f@g CD ¨ :g mj O Oj 6 B 6 6 R 7 }R PQ 7 Mian Raza Rabbani :d9Z X:gSim• 4 :X:K2 ] O V touch :2l @:o4 :XV :M@:KOO :N9OjE :´gO mA :X:L ] l :KY
94 B B 6 b¼H PQ •Û :M@:1n :”XSi :9ja4 :KO :˘Lei :9O C Y proposed area :ª4 :X4E :X V :fx@:Lv ] :”X \ R@:1n :was very kind G R unauthorized letter is not expected from the :1n :K2:¥9OO7V Q„ :K P Q :M@:o}4 :X V B B R B :JŒµ :KOOPTSS 9:r9:9:;v[CD4E :YXF4 :YX E :˘K P T 9:€ v[ 4 4E : members of the Parliament of Pakistan. U 6 B PT C t 6 6 b¼H PQ 7 we have to be very :KOS :¥9kq :X 4E :LV :w‡:M@:‰ ?>@:Lei :sY9?:€OC\4R :1:1O C n :”X:9Si j a4 :KOO :dKY very careful. BB R G B B :o }4 Annexure 14 :X:fx@:LV v ] :KOOPQ :?>@:sV :M?@2:Ll ] :K P Q :Lš` œ P [ ! –@>:f94 j4E :w‡‰ :oH @ 6 b¼H PQ you were magnanimous to give them seats on the :”X:9Si ja4 :K:d9YO O C Opposition side for three reasons. (a) That they have requested for B 6 }4R PQ E (c) :?>@:”XSi :9C 2V :Ò‡W :o @:KO :´?94 C :LV :; 4 this. (b) They are not hit by 63(A), 6 how can you preempt court : KOPQ : f?XÛ : M@: The matter is subjudice. B 6 R ‹ :9jO7 Y:KOOP• :f>>:XV :fx@:Kv P Q :o45 :1n :decision. This is virtually preempting a decision B 6 :N9OjE :´gO mA :X:=>] that means the High Court should follow this decision. B 6 U 6 B 6 V î PT5 }R l t R P Q :f9:s4C :‡a :LV :fx@v legal profession :˘KOOS :Lei ?:ª:o4 4 4 :YXE :X:fx@:ds ]v :L ] 94[ :X:sY9?:‡S i O C av :K R 6 ¼H since the matter is subjudice, at :o}4 :LyŠV :L @X:LE :M@:1:”X:9n S i ja4b :K:dLeOPQ i least, to the extent of five members who were involved and who reject :KOPQ :Lƒkƒ„ :M@:X V votes :LV :”@:B are involved in the likeminded group. B R 6 B R So, let me, sir, :dK OPTS valid reasons :o}4 :sV :”@:KB OPTS :04 :´g® >Y:X4E :?>@:9™R :Lš• ei 9v [ :92 C V :K OP• G B V B P P Article :X:M9:´?94E vC 3 Sp :1n :s:M?@2:Ll ] :K O Q :Lš`: œ [ take you to the further point. B 6 B B 6 B V‹ R P :X4E :˘Lei :9?:9ST4 [CQ :99:X 4 E :wx@4 ! –@>:f94 jZ4E :˘9 :”>2V :Ò‡W :Ly :f?94 [„ @:s :fx@:9v :@?Xa :KO Q :M@:˘L ei 63(A) B • R U ‹‹6 c :f94 j4E :˘KOPTSSSS :€4 E 9 ¦ :‡ü‰ :…@:;@:˘KO O] O P T :w‡:s ‰ V :”XO• 7 9 ™ R :´2:˘K47 O P T :rg m’ :´2:´g 4 7 O mA :X 4 E :˘K O P T :¸—D > 64 • U •‘ • y discipline, letter and :o:1:˘K45 n OOPTSS :€94E :s@X:…t˜ @:s9 t R :´gO mA :˘K P T :€9 4 E :Y9H :…O > ¦ ™4 • ¦’4 P 7 B V •‘ U horse :‡avR :˘KOOTS :KgO mvÑ :~?9„ :1:O Cunity, faith and discipline :s :€94E ¦ :… @:z9 C ± spirit, G I respect that and they were very :˘9Z :XSSSi :=>:‡avR :˘9 Z :X i :1:‡C a v R :˘sl :X i :ï>g ® trading 6 O R6 R th :M@:KOSPQ :do} :J9R „ :´?9 3 p :o } 4 JUI(F):KOPQ :M@:much part of the 14 Amendment. U ‹ t}•OP4C Pl t t 6‹ P 6 6 ÊŽH c 6 :sX:oSSi :KOOQ :~2ƒOj :”9>:s:s:˘9ST4 4 ™™OR :@X:9 i •P4C :2:”9v 7 •O R :K Q :?>@:9 ™C R :92 V belong:Ly :o4j @:oX:¬>• Õ
95 6 R because she was not a Minister and she was only a member of :o } B G p :KO7 > 17 ?>@:LFO 2002 :XV :M@:fx@:1v n :M9D :d9 jV :M9 C :L] :…S :X V :M@:?>@:National Assembly O v B B R p 6 •q 6 we are neither part of LFO 2002 ˘L•7 ` :K OP• :…:1S ÐE :9:;D 4E :˘Lš•Pµ :2 V retain :Ly :…O 2 7 6 PQ P T B p • q 7 th :2l @:˘Lei :9™uµ :9O jV :KOOO :M@:˘KS :Le i ?:”9:… Q S :wx@:… 4 O 2:K> 7 18 :X4E :?>@:nor of 17 Amendment B 6 U 6 •q 6 p :2l @ ! –>:f94 j4E :X] :9 D interpretation :9:LZ] x@:1¶Q 9 · q :€4 4E :?>@:Lš • Pµ :2 V retain :X:…V O 2:K>7 O7 14 :… S U 6 ‹ U t |•7 P P QB P C :s 9X4C Û :X:X ]S i dispute :2v7 :M@:wx@:?>@:X4 Si untouched :1n :X4E :X:¥S i OO ?x@:9:;D :K O :K O x@:L V 1973 B 6 U‹ U t• 7 tVtP ] repeatedly :L] :€4 E 9¦ :s@X˜E :ç׊ :X4 :dKY:Ø>?:X:”XX O V]Û 4 :´g® >Y:s—vjy :s :; O :;?X:s9 V ST B U B 6 6 6 t q :”X \•4E ! s9™4 R :dLei :L • 9 „ intent :X:”9]•OR :X: ] that intent of the legislatures :9OjV :N9 3 ÜP„ @ B B 6 6 B PT P Q H }R } R V •q 7 :XV :M@:9OOC :9 j V oppose :XV :LFO :L] :”X\•4E :˘K OOS :K :o @:o4 :=>:o :s pass :…O 2:K>7 O 14 :L ] 6 B B PT P Q H } R •q 7 PT P Q H } R :˘KOOS :K :o @:o4 :=>:9OjV support :X:…V O 2:K>:7 O 17 :L] :”X\•4E :˘KOOS :K :o @:o4 :=>:˘9OjV support B B B B QQG P}R PPP QTQ } R :X:M@:LV] :”X \•4E :d”X:¥9S i „ :KOOOO :M@:o4 :K :˘KS :K :M@:o 4 :=>:9O j V oppose :XV :M@:L] :”X \ •4E U PQBB P C Œ jŠ i B p Š B PT B }R :KOO :K x@:LV :wx@:=>:K4 O :Lše • 9v[ :9X C Si discipline oS >:Lš• :LV :@z[ :1n :KO S :Le i ?:”9:wx@:oQ 4 4 :=>:˘9YO C vote B U B B P•R P QB P C thanks to the :˘Lei :9OOjC|l :9Y:N9] :2:JV 4E X:”9:X:M@:dLe4]4 [ V i :@X:9S i ™uµ :K O :=>:K O :K O x@:˚Le i :9 ™• u µ :”9 ^ 6 •q th ˘KOOPQ :…O 27 :K 7 > 18 :?>@:17 Amendment despite my learned brother Raza Rabbani sahib$s best effort that we should try to bring that as close to 14 th Amendment as possible. That was the biggest control and tool to control against the horse trading in this country but nobody agreed. What can he, or I, or four/five members out of 26 could do? We wanted consensus for which Balochistanãs brothers and other provinces have to work out. They are as important if not more important than the other provinces of Pakistan as they have been deprived from their fundamental rights. Mr. Chairman: Let us discuss 63(A). Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, I am coming to that. Sir, I am pointing out a legal aspect,
96 B ‹ U EP R 7 P B t l V :L y 1973 :X:;V4 :˘Lei :KO • :¥ | OO• ?x@:9:;D :9@2:sX:1:˘s C v7 VO C X S i interpretation :s :M@:€4 4E :1 n B B B th l t ‹‹B V P•R ¢V 6 intent 14 :1:dsO C X:szXSiC ß Y intent : s : M@: ?>@: 9OjV : K O touch :L] :o :†:f@C 4 th th :˘Lei :KOPQ : 18 Amendment :?>@:Lei :K OPQ 17 Amendment :˘Lei :K OPQ Amendment R :oH : ”XB V : 1 n Now, we have taken a conscious decision :dKOPTS :o}4 @:àX:€Š 4 y B 6 B B in which you canãt :sl :”XSi :KgOO7O m vÑ :oH :”XB V :˚L•Œ„ :´Y:K P •R vote :fx@:2v v7 :KB4E :s l :”XSi :KO 7 g O m vÑ B :KO7 g O mvÑ:=>: be part of one side or the other particularly in the Senate? H B th 6 b¼ 6 c B :KOPQ :”>gO mvÑ :sV :17 Amendment :dKOOPTSS :L•a ` :gm•4R :L y :J4 F :fx@:dKv P T :prescribed ! –@>:f94 j4E 6 6 6 P :9™R : 9 C 2 V parliamentary head complaint : X] : †O C @: dK O TS basic changes : >Y 6 6 PB P7R B B P V Constitutional :†@:K:”@:˘KO C OOOOQ ™ :KgO mvÑ :K C :s: defection : ?>@: 2v7 : defection ‹‹ U B tB U p ‹ t •l V :>Y:”@:d9Z :´2 V head :XV :s ?9:=zvCj7 x@:oS :?zO j Š :s ?9:† v C O C@:?>@:Lei :o :s amendment add 6 LFO 2002 converted into or confirmed and ratified :J9R „ :L V changes 17 th Amendment. Thanks to those who are claiming today and B 6 :”X] >Y: ”@:B L aR draftsmen and craftsmen : opS >: preaching differently. B ‹ RPR R 5 P 6 :”9>:X:M@:fx@:‡SOT V v av :dLei :KOO• :†j a :1:o:1O C4 n :K TS :Le i ?:L Š :@?9• H :¬>:M@Õ :X4E :9 D documents 6 •q 6 B 6 dL] –:;@>:Xv] V :…O 2:K>7 O7 14 :fx@:d”9v C :L] 2V :support ¼H P U E B :1:fx@:˘”X:9?:JOOCv SiST 4F :KOQ :X 4 E :Lei :1 C line of argument :9D :fx@:9v ™ v 5 @::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 B 1n :KOPTS :Le•i 9:9v[ j \^ Article 63(A) is not applicable on these two applications. ‹ B B PQR | Š 5 ‹ c ‹ P y :Different reasons ! –@>:f94 j4E :KO :dLei :†O ja :¥ 9:o:4 C 4 :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B U B P P R B count :XV :”@:˚KOOTS :Lei ?:2V :K • count :fx@v vote :LV :”XOO•7 9™4 R :”@:´?9 3Sp :”X • V :d”XS i :9S T ?:´Y 6 U th B :XV :fx@:Kv OOPQ :X ] :9Z :”>x@:2v7 :M@:K P Q :€ 4 4E That was the position on 19 May.:dLše•i 9v[ :9X C Si U and your record will speak out.:9 Z:”>–Y:Y9O C B before I say the last point on this, I :1 n ! –@>:f94 j4E :9 Z :”X\^ :KOPQ :˘w‡‰ :oH @ would try to adopt, I would not repeat because of the time B B 6 B :175, sub-Article (10) of the Constitution :L] :€4 E 9¦ :gmÑ @:”>?9:XS T 4E : constraint,
97 PQ Š PQ Opposition and Treasury :˘Lei :K O clause s @> judges :X4E :=>:˘Lei :9•^ :KO :´?94C :L V PQ I think I would like to adopt those instead of :˘Lei :KO :´?94C :L V benches B :½@‡‰ @:”X] >Y:2v7 :M@: repeating those arguments. They are well discussed. B B U 6 P•R PQ t 6 :Ly :L Š @XE :M@:@gO mA :˘9C 2V :K O repeat :XV :M@:KO :@z¡• “ :dLei :s XS i :f94C for and against :L y G B V bc B P attention :s :fx@:Lvay ` :dddL :fx@:9 vZ :”>2V :M?@2 l :~2 E x@:X4E :K O Q :z· 4] :L Vi :M@:dLe point :†O C @ :dLš• ei 9 v[ 6 6 6 PT\^^ P T \ ^ ^ p P T i p Now, :dKOOOSSS :L• :JvF :½‡‰ :~g ® >Y:˘K :L • :J v F :½‡ ‰ :†O C @:…SS :˚K :L • e 9v[ :9O j V :€4 y :… :f@4 :I want to send to you few papers because this was not part of file. G 6 6 B 6 H 6 c ‹ DP ™ uOC :€‘ 94’ :~?zXST vE :rgm’ :´2:´g47 O mA :dLei interview :9D :¥ :1:dJ9OOCR „ :J9 R „ :´gO mA :KO Y:@?Y:fx@:1v C :¥ D interview :1C :dK OPTS head :L V political party :†C @:1n :X4E :Lei interview :9D :€4 E 9 ¦ O O B ‹ B R R ‹ 6 If you want its :dLei :@X Si telecast :2 v7 Express News :2:€v7•q :ª9:2v vC V :ª:Jx@:f@? 4 4 R :sV :fx@:Kv OOPQ :=>:K P TS : excerpts :X4E :LV :M@ recording, I can provide you a copy. 6 B Sir, we are to be role model for the rest of :d”XSi :9jiS 9v [ :9 C –:K OPQ knowledge the country. This is the symbol of Federation of Pakistan. This :represents the four provinces and FATA and all areas of Pakistan. U B B P B G PEPB P p I donãt want :dKO TS :L] 9›Š :”9 k ] :L V arrow :L] :KOOOQ :2:Kv74 :K TSS :N@X˜ :1:˚KO C T :Le i ?:9:24[ ß zn :… S P :KO Q :M@:dLei :@X Si air :XV : programme 21 June :1O C to take too much of time. 6 R R R 6 B 6p 6 :dK:oOOOOPTS }4 :o } 4 @:?>@:La :K:€X PP QQqŒ[CS :K:”9jœ vX:LE ƒ4 ƒ•R É:…:1:K:Le n P TS i ?:9 j4 7 :€94 E ¦ :~?zXS T v E 6 }R p P 5 :o4 :=>:?>@:Lei Leader of the Opposition :oS :†@:2:”9>:1OSC v7 T n :KO TS :L•a ÉX:v]Anchorperson 6 B Õ B EP]T6 B 6 P T Í V :”X—:o9:X:K:K•V{4C4 OOSS :LšœV @:f–9:L [j :”9œ vE X ƒ4 C :˘K :L ] 9‡:€9 Q¦Â4E :~?zX:dLeS T v E iy :L :o ‡ c :s :fx@v B 6 6 B B •ƒ{ PPPSp BB6 B }R P R 6 :9jauOC Y:=z’O :KOOOO3TT :X:”9V j œ vE X ƒ4C :˘KSS :2?>:´?9O7 „DT :˘K :”9?@:o4 :L•P[ `:”9>:dLS • Œ „ :—:K Q • :L y :f–9 [ :L V 6 ‹ 6 P P p ^ t B i :9C 2 V skip :KOOQ :dK TS :L] X Si vote :oS :…:LV :s?9:?>@:LevC i tribal society :2:”9>:1v7 ST ¿C XO•V :Lše• 9v[ 6 }R 6 5 R PC :o 4 Leader of the Opposition :1:Len i :9jav X v] Anchorperson :‡av :dKO 94C :~g® >Y:”X Si B 6 6 P6 c 6 6 P P B :˘KOOOTSS :èƒjF :f–9:L[TjV :”9>:1:”X:9S nSi\^ :K:1:K Q n T :L ] 9‡:€9 Q¦Â 4E :~?zX:dLeS T v E i :9 jDv 7 @:9:fv x@: X ] B PPR Pp }R P 6 B } R :9?:1ST•^ :KOOOO•Q :K :1:dKO C TS :…:oS4 :K Q :€Xq Œ [ :?>@:Lei :9 j v7 @:o 4 Leader of the Opposition
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100 B U E B :dLei :9Ojl :x@:1O C ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B V 6 ‹‹B Pä ‹ c ‹ P y :s :fx@:1v O C :dLei :f94Cinteresting :~2:1:df947O C 4 j4E :KO 2:Lv 7 y @::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B B B V :LŠ : official print :wx@:94 D :M@:dKY:LO7 ] 2V :1:C change :XV :o¢ :Ly @:fx@:f@:dLev 4 i : website :o•v7 @ dK OPµ Sir, this is a member who belongs to PML (Q) and opted for Opposition Benches - Sardar Yar Muhammad Rind. Sir, he is the Leader of the Opposition, one and only. Mr. Chairman: He is the Leader of the Opposition there. 6 B BUU B P^ P R 6 t ‹ c ‹ P y :KOOSTS :L•\ :=>:dLe i :K • :Ò@gmÁ @:sX:X:”XV VO • 7 9™4 R :´?9 3p :”9>:S T :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B 6 B U ‹ }R } R P•R 6 t R :˘o4 :2ß Y@:?>@:o 4 :2 ß Y@ ) "r9D :9 Z :LɃ[ :L y 9:”@X>Y:˘~>:?z@:Lv C ] OC ] :~>:?Y>@ ":dKO :f9:sX:Le4C V i :† O ja B B P R B It is shocking sir, I could not :dLei :KO • :€4 y 9jq :1>?:1:dOOC C (9Z :Lƒ[ É :r9 D :½‡‰ :”X] >Y believe that this would have been the possibility in our provincial 6 d”XSi :9jƒv[ :2V :LŠ :L l x@:Legislative Assembly. Mr. Chairman: Let me note it on Balochistan. B B ‹ PQ ‹ c ‹ P y dLei :9Y:€OC OP„ :@?X:Xv] V :fx@:Lv ] :KO :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B OR bc ‹ B B ‹ U E B dLš• `F Y:L ] 2V :note :La ` :d€•q :†O C @:@?Y ! €4 E 9¦ :?@Y::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B U B B R 6 bc R‹ B 6 B ‹ c ‹ y :dLei :KOOP• :~z¶4[ :X:L`] a :˘K P µ :L Š :…9:oCÍ ‡:9c j P[4 :fx@v ! f94 j4E :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj ‹ 6 B R R U E B :dJ9R „ :LV :r@?x@:@?Y:‡av :dLe i :†O j a ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B ‹ ‹ c ‹ y Sir, this concludes my df94 j4E : ”Xß 247 : Ll x@: KOPQ : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj arguments. I have given twelve reasons substantiated by different ‹ B detail, :sV :M@:˘XO] >gmC @:9D :”@B documents and also television interviews and point,:–@> subjudice :?>@: excerpts, and also different other legal reasons ^ for all these reasons which I :1 n but I honestly believe :Lei :JvF :€4 y :1O C
101 :fx@:Kv OPQ :have narrated, these 9 honourable members must be counted. 6 6 d”XSi :9jO7 Y:9 ›Š:Ll x@:L V :2 V Annexure 58 ?>@:”XSi :9jO7 Y:2V :numbering :X V B 6‹ R 6 U B :9jOO7 Y:N@Y:g4 m3 :˘”XSi :9 j 7 Y:2 V annex :KOOPQ :XV :M@:dK 7 Y:2 Vstaple :XV :M@::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B B P ‹ }R ‹ R I am :dKO µ :2V :fX:o] 4 :fx@v ! €4 E 9¦ :?@Y:˘Lei : Annex-57 :1O C :˘Lei :~2E x@:g4 m3 :9D :fx@:d”Xv Si 6 dLei : :9D :”9B j œ vE Xƒ4C :?>@:Lei :making Annexure-58 and 59, Interview - 58 Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Interview, Annex-58 and of Balochistan is 59. 5 U E B d”9ST :o4 :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B Õ R B ‹ c ‹ P y :o9:X4C4E :?>@:Lei :9Y:gO C 4 m3 :58 :Ly @:Le i :interview :X4E :9D :M@:f94 j 4E ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B B 6 PT ˚Lei :9OC Y:59 :XV :=gO mÁ >:”9jœ vE X ƒ4C :KO S :´?9 „ B P B p U E B Now you proceed :dLei : 59 :Lš•Š :L V :”@:KO ST :gOSmvÑ :o:†@:=>:O C :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E further. ‹ B B R ‹ c ‹ P y df94 j4E :9O j l :XSi :†O ja :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj I am grateful that you have made this part of record and Annex-58 is the excerpts, I have reproduced from the interview of honourable Senator Ch. Shujaat Hussain sahib, last night from Express TV. 6 B :?>@:9 ™R To The Point :r9C :9 D :r@2l >2 v7:?>@: Anchorperson was Shah Zaib Khanzada and it was aired at five past eight in the evening on 21 st of June, 2008. The rest of the pages sir, they have been down loaded today from the Balochistan Provincial Assembly website and they are all official documents, it is not private website. Mr. Chairman: Now next point please.
102 B •Û ‹ c ‹ P y :9ST ?:XSi :point discuss :Ly :ª4 :X:1:Le4E n i :1:O C next point :@gO mA ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj basically independent members. Independent members from :Lei :=>:˘Le i ‹ :´?93Sp :LV :99:?>@: C Ù FATA, from Balochistan, from any part of the country U UU 6 b¼H PQ ‹ }R B\R tD t open :X:M@:1Vn :”X:9S i ja4 :KO :˘Lei important issue :@2:@?947 3Sp :1:˘LO C ] x@:o4 :K 4 :sX:¥:9:s9V O C ™ 4 R U B B B 6 Before I say :dKOPTS :L] x@:L y :½‡‰ :”X] >Y: views :?>@:Lei :~?>gÀ :9C 2V : dilate :JR 9„ :L V mind something, I wish my dear colleague and friend Dr. Babar Awan B B 6 B B ^ B B :L] :”X\R @:1¿C XO • V :˘¥:dLeD i :9Y:2C V confuse JvF :L] :”X\R @:KOPQ :N9jE :´gO mA :dL ] X:”9S i • R sahib O O O U ‹ p P[ PQBBR P Q t :X V rights LV :99:…:Lš`:1C Ù S œ n He has dilated :d9OOjŠ :KOO :z·4] :1:˘9C j Š :1 ÐE :Lƒ• É:1:K C :s@>??9 D p B 6 ‹ :Ly :…:2@:˘KS l OPTS :o:LpS • 7 @:rights :LV :9 C9 Ù : Sir, this is not the case dKOPTS :Lei ?:2 V usurp BB6 B PT P •R^ p P • R Every member of the Senate regardless :dKOOOS :K :…:Ly :…:X:KS ] :=Y9?OC where he or she comes from any part of Pakistan enjoys the same 6 B B •PQ B B :2V :XSi :€ 4 F independent member :Ly :¾zjy :9:f9C4 ’•v7 :9 j V :1n :”X O•V rights, privileges OO4 B 6B 6 6 6 R It is only if :dLei :9jŒ„ :x@:L yVVi•V :L :s:Lvt :dLe :Lq 9 „ :L :fx@:Lv y :”9B jjj œŒŒ vE Xƒ4C :dLe i :9 „ :x@:˚9 „:x@:K OP• you can muster the support of the voters who are your electoral R you can be independent :o}4 :Ly : provincial assembly :Ly :f94 kE :M@: college U 6 6 U PC P C^ P T t B 6 :dKOOO X:KSi 9:J4CvF :”9 •OR :dKS :L] x@:s9 ™ 4 R:´?93Sp :Ly :”9 j œ vE X ƒ4Cmember sir, that is why BBB 6 6 t 6 DU V }R B P Q :9OjDV :2Y:9:M@:LV] :€4 E 9 ¦™ :s@X˜ :d9R :@X:2Y:9:S i V D Annex-15 :¥ :d9Z :”>–Y:14[ X] :s :fx@:ov 4 :2v7 :”@:K O 6 Pµt BB P Q i 6 :f@:dL4 lŠy :KOO :L :s9:Lv D :fx@:=>:9:9:”>Y:?>@:>Y:†@:X:”@:Kv O CZO C V :X:9: ]i Z[™X:LšeS • 9v :X V :”@:2l @:d9 R ‹ I will run through this all :LV :2:V combine :XV :9C 9 Ù :?>@: independent members B 6 B ˚f94 j4E :Lei :f?94 [ @:subject U B do 45 :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E 6 B R ‹ ‹ B U ‹ c ‹ y :f@:˘L4 a :~227 ŒOjy :€•7 @X4E :L ƒ•R É:L V :fx@:2:v v 7 Annexure 15 :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj BB‹ G ‹ § BÊ c P y œO]‹ :dLei :fX:;x@:9:”@:1:˘€]DO C 4E 9 ¦ :o{ :fX4 4 • F :K O TS :~227 ŒOj :¥ j z@O C åFollowing Senators have verbally intimated to sit on treasury benches, the independent group.
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105 has joined PPP after he was elected as independent. So, group has been indirectly recognized by you l W = U \ sir, I differ ˘(-2 B$)˘(-8 8 ° 2 concept R group E¯> & 8 7 0 (-2 "& l „ %® 0 > …¤8 F0\ U ; +( /0 U 8 "#$ 0 ² explicit C"F0\ E l ± with you. Here is a grey area. = \ W = ‚" F0\˘(-2 largest single party El„ E l „ &7 U0 (-2 "‘k8 /®0 %E#˘(-V 0 U 2 l "# ° You donãt have to refer to anywhere, it is !U0 rules clear and explicit very simple English. There is nothing complex of 18th Century which W (; • $( > D$% > D$ !"'0U > l case quote R 1803 needs interpretation. = A and the same (-2 J '> group recognize ( V D$& 7 E%"'•(02 0U> ; 8 papers applies to these 9 members who formed a group or rather two groups. One is called ålike minded groupç other is ådissident groupç. (V D$' < $˘(- 2 group &7 E%"&02 0U l „ (PJ .$ So they are two PML (Q) groups. ¤8 = K overseas (V D$"#$(- 2 … /%> parliamentary practices ˘(-2 v %> $#"+ 8 FLJ" 8 because it is a grey area, neither this House nor that (-2 '8 > rely = W = ]W I %"'V 0U > l entertain %> .$£[8 $ law or Constitution $"F0\ rules (> House One third, they ˚(-2 > rule R E$"#$think here you can rely upon overseas have the right if there is a merger, they have the right to be called a separate group. They are recognized, they are entitled to all the +> group €#'< $ privileges as Mian Raza Rabbani said that unattached = = A then they have certain rights and privileges like the %V 8 G %0 2 = ºw ,"B&&E%¡ 8 7 02 … ž ! Treasury or the Opposition members. = W they are more than one &7 (-2 %8 02 apply [] (PJ ( > argument 9 PML (Q) th = ºw 20 = post 6 '> Ž»¼ /˘$"/(V E%’W $&7 E%0 2 … ž (P J .$! G † "#$third, they are 9 A V L<]W W v kJ U €#&7 (-2 ½ ¿ [ *… ˘ ( J ¾/D$˘£$'$ 8 < E#D$'.$ ” ; ˘ 0 (P V / letters #/ June = !(-2 k† %02group recognize
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108 W !(-2 £ … : = “ House "#$unattached % && 8 7 SW "'0 U > ¥*¦ ! :"$/Á¿w $BFž &"#$(- 8 2 right R E$&' 8 < $ basically ˘(-2 '/> R Cross Members of Lords = party €#'< $they can join any party.%V 8 G D$'> %0 2 elect & 8 & 7 (-2 established = > ; ; ; U ; + .$E#!0U /##'ƒ /$ 8 /##' ƒ /$! ' > 0 G % €#&7 (-2 liberty %> E$% V '> &8join „ because they are not subjected to the cost one has to pay (-2 price ‘ T under 63A for those four items where defection clause come into play. Here they are at liberty to vote whichever and whatever way they would like to. They are not recognized anywhere as part of the E%02 "0U '> emphasize $ ! Opposition members. Particularly, documentary %> D$ particularly after the vacancy has occurred. A = = A ‚ Ÿ (> #/( V $%• Â# Ê €#Ñ(¡ > JUI &7 E#'•&%E#'(”> ; 8”G 8 V >J ' ; evidence = w W ; F / 14 "#$ (… (- 2 "'> show ( alliance government benches [L $+K S W ‚" † = W W W were treated to be €"< (> €" < ( ‹ lW •˘[] » "%[< ] JUI (•(‹lW 2010 \ w ®0 "#$!!!!+K S W #/(> JUI ‚"F0\ B¢ V (> 2010 ˘ F / 14 ! government allies. lW W we never challenged though we could > dispute ( E/( ‹l •'.$( ; V have on the pretext of independent members. Yes, if they had joined JUI then perhaps it could have been the different story but they are only showed allies and still we respected that. There is no problem A k J E$˘ U0 independents % ˘ U0 unattached members % &8 & 7 E%0 2 "'0U > ."$' < & 8 = \ \ lW = > kJ U \ ŽJ [#Q0FW (> E$˘["% 0 02 + 8 general rights 'E ; l W 0 rights [0 #, ( 8 > A W voting or .$€#(-2 (P J ( > specific purpose £$) 8 ° T ElW ! 0 U rights q ² = × U l W J 70 ( §G [ ( 8 > Treasury Benches ˘0 debar (P ( > exercise of choice including them, they are all debarred to exercise U0 odd members there any choice. This is a choice which is exercised within the recognizable electoral college of the Opposition Benches, members in
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110 B B P P B 5 ‹ H c ‹ y :Ò‡W :point :X4E :K OQ :dK O TS :Annex 21 and 22 :1O C :df94 j4E :o4 ::?@Y:¸¡F @:z3b :g mjO POj 6 U B R 6 t if they wanted to, :˘La :L • Œ„ :2V :join :s9™4 R :´?9 „ :1:˘LeO C i :process :9::LD ] 2:Vjoin :1 n:”XSi :9ST ?:2 V then they would have had the privilege, if they would have joined a party which is sitting in the Opposition today, they would have had the privilege and the right to exercise their choice to nominate for the post of Leader of the Opposition for any name they wish to. If they were sitting in, if they have allied with the party which is sitting in the Government Benches, they would not be able to exercise their choice and Kalsoom sister is one of them who joined she is sitting on the other side of the aisle and :Ly :14[ >:sV :M@:?>@ BNP P c B B :special :†O C @:=>:˘KO TS :Lei ?:2V :r>2 F :XV :”@:1n :9j\^ :1O C : she has not exercised her vote. BB B G R :X:K4E OPTS :Lš•Š :2:V annexure pull :´?9„ :L] :KOOOPQ :?>@::sV :Ò‡W :K PP Q4[ :€F :Lš`:wx@:L œ]i4 :K P Q :dLe :1—± { B :@g® >Y: KOPTS : o•4PQ : 2v7 : principle of not changing the ground realities : LV : fx@v Our learned brother Raza Rabbani has dLei : Political Order 2002 B 6 :9D :12 :X:fx@:LV v ] :KOOPQ :˘K P ¶ v[ :2:v7annexure 23 :J9R„ :´gO mA :2l @:fx@:v quoted different laws. :2l @: Now, sir I am taking you across with the annexure :dLei :9OC Y:´Y: split B B U B B B B uOC :2:”9v7 •O R :L] :”XOO•7 9 ™3 4 R :>Y:´?9Sp :1¿C X • V ::Le i :9 ™ u µ :ç:X:”X:E VE 4 16 :X:”@:LV ] :KOOPQ :˘K P ™ Y:Annex 23 :fx@v B B B G B PQ 6 B B p ‹ ^ :L] :KO :˘9™R :9 • ^ :X:”X:V 4 E 15 :9OC : 16 :L] :”X\R @:č94jŠ 9:˘Le { i :9O j V : join Ly :ï>g® :L ] :…:1SSn :9•^ ::2:X:´‡V i a B U V G 6c 6 b c :9jV :˘9 j V : join :2v7 : basis ;:L] :K>2:rXB OO7v7 •ƒD :1gAm’ :1:K n P C 9j47 :L`:fx@:1:9 av n ™ v 5 X:Lv ] y : Secretariat OO BB U 6 c B ‹‹PyG P y t V }R :z3b :9–X:gCq mjOOOj :?>@:€9 4jjE ¦ :zO y 2@z ŠO4 ‘ :g mj j :s9 ™34 R :´?9Sp :2:v 7 basis :; :?>@:o :documentation B G “ :Annexure 23 :fx@v ! f94 j4E :dLei : affiliation Ly : JUI :sV :”@:˘KB OPTS :Ly : FATA :X4E :=9„ :ª9 ¦ B B 6 B 6 B 7G bc P uOC independent :Ly ::”9 jœvE Xƒ4C : 14 jE9¦ :K>2:rXOv7 •ƒD :1:9 n • ^ :L] :”X \R @:˘—:f@X:X:L`Q 4 4 EE] 4 a :X:˘K O ™ Y 6 U UU6 B R R The para is very ! f94 j4E :dLa :L ] x@:2:X:V Sielect :Ly :FATA :st 9™4 R :>Y:?>@:KOP™ :s t x@:2V :XSi :elect ‹ 6 6 B ˚”Xß 2v7 :KOOPQ :X ] :K 7 Y:f?94[ @:fx@:2v l @:important ‹ U B dKOPä 2v7 :o45 :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E
111 Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: The Election Commission of Pakistan vide their O.M dated 12 th March, 2009 informed that Senator Kalsoom Parveen elected on reserved women seats had joined the Balochistan National Party Awami on that basis Senator Kalsoom Perveen has been shown as member of the BNP Awami in Party wise list of the Members of the Senate. There is no written request available on record on behalf of Senator Abdur Rashid and Senator Maulana Muhammad Saleh Shah elected as independent members, from FATA to show that initially they belong to JUI. It may however be mentioned that they are being shown as part of JUI (F) since March, 2009 in the Senate recordÉ Mr. Chairman: There was no written request from their behalf. B B B B 7 G B P R ‹ H c ‹ y :†@:LO C ] :14 jE 9¦ :K>2:rXO v7 •ƒD :˘Le i :1:ˆ‡O C  ! f94 j4E : KO • : :?@Y:¸¡F @:z3b :g mjO POj B B B R 6 R 6 B 6 :XV : ECP :˘@XSi :KOP• : process :X] :sV :K OP• :join :€9‘ 345 :L] :”X\R @:˘s:2:Š V join :€‘ 9 345political B B B R R :KOPQ :record :LV :consequently Senate :˘9jV :KOP• :recognize :L] :ECP XV :”@:˘9B jl :9 ™ uµ :K OP• O B O B ŒjŠ P •R B :the Senate has been straight forward to admit :KO :9OjV :KO :recognize :XV :”@ B R P[ P Q P3Sp I think, it was :˘9OC 9 ™ ^ Y: note†@:9:?9::X:fx@:LO C D[v V v ƒœ]• É:Lš`:L :KO :dLe i :9O j•l :9^ : verbal :KO :1 n B U d d dddd9•^ :verbal :L] :”XO•7 9™4 R :?9:Kv [ OOPQ :K:KB 4 E P TS :Annexure 14 and 15 ‹ PQ ¢V y B U E B ˚Lei :@XSi :9OC x@:KO :writing :9D :?>@:o ! €94 E ¦ :~227 ŒOj :KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B R V B ‹ H c ‹ y :?>@:FATA :Ly :f94 kE :L V :letter :M@:˘Lei :KOP• 9D :o ¢ ! f94 j4E ::?@Y:¸¡F @:z3b :g mjO POj B R V 6 dLei :KOP• :9:oD¢ L y ::”9B j œ vE X ƒ4C B ¢V \^ B U E B :o :LV : FATA :9OjV :1n :Lei :N@X:1:@g˜ OO COOmA :?>@:Le i :1:z C ÐÖq ::9:L D • :´g mA ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E ‹ B t ¢V PQ c :˘Lei :9OjŠ :2V : join :X:s?9:oV vC :9:LeO C i :KO : Treasury Benches :=>:1n :Lei :9Y:OC in writing :L] :g 4 m3 ¢V 6 V PQ P Q in :9D : FATA member :o :˘”X:9?:2Si STV :f9:s4 C : in writing :KOO :˚Lei :9™uµ :K :´?9L4 C V :M@ U GG B }R t • P•R :fx@:v Please,:dX:oSSSiVi4 :sX:9:”X:zOCOOjy ?:ç9:Le§ [[i 9:˘”X:€9v i 4jjE ¦ :z y 2@zŠ 4 ‘ :Le i 9:˘Le v[ i :KO :writing
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113 6 66 6 6 R V B U E B :2V :?9OOj7 :X4E :1:fx@:˘LeO C v i :92 C V :?9 j 7 :€ F :L V rule :; : Secretariat :1O C : :KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 6 R V P P :€F :LV : rule :; :1:O C they keep on changing also.:1n :”X9?:JSiST ŒOC Y:KOOQ :?>@:K TS :Lei ? 6 dKOPTS L] 2 V 6 U B t t }R P c ¢ V B ‹ H c ‹ y :1O C :€4 ƒ»q :˘Lei :s x@:change :sX:oV 4 :€4 4E :KO Q :g4 m3 :o ! f94 j4E ::?@Y:¸¡F @:z3b :g mjO POj 6 B UUU6B 6 B 6 G t t t B 7 6 then they 9Ojl :x@: C:X:—] |] : B:˘9OOjl x@:?>@:sXV] :X:—|] :?>@:sX V ˘9 j l :x@:?>@:sX:X:L V]ƒ|] :K2:¬O 7 V X ˜ :1n :Le i update, the Legislation Branch is maintaining sir. B 6 B U 6 PT\^ P • R t B U E B :L] 2V :?9Oj7 :XV : Annex 24 to 28 1:K:Ln OOS • ˘Le i :K : rule s XV ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B U R dLei :KOP• :o:pS rule :st XV :9 D B B B B ‹ H c ‹ y :˘Lše•i 9:9v[ j OPµ : Written ! f94 j4E :dKOPTS :Lei ?:KB 4 7 : rules :f:@4 !f94 j4E ::?@Y:¸¡F @:z3b :g mjO POj U ‹ 7 P B R 7 p These got to dLl :K2:O Vservice :1:?>@:LO C l :KO C 9j47 :†O ja :X:Vrules :˘Ll :K2:O Vservice :1O C :… S U :”>–:KOPQ : knowledge :LV :fx@:Kv OPQ : be substantiated by written formal request. 1n you will be shocked, you are a former judge sir, and you are barrister. Mr. Chairman: You make this list without any written request, without any rules. B U ‹ c ‹ y Let me give you further ! €9:Kg4 E ¦ B OPQ mjO vE : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj B 6 PQ P QB 6 P T 5 :Lei :9C XSi :official record :X4E :K O :9Oj7 Y:~?X:?>@:Kv ] O :”9 j œ V 9:´?X:˘Kv C v ] O S :ª4 4 :fx@:v shocking news, UU B ‹ BBB î 6 6 R :€94E ¦ :~g2mCO ŒOjy :dL] 9:94 [j|Š :1:N9C] :KOPQ :z · 4] :˘L ] 9:X:1:… 4[ Si C document :1n 9:LeCi :9Xg CSi 4 m3 :¥gOC O m„ :9:M@ D O B B R R U 5 otherwise these documents :˘Lei :KOOP• :˚Le i :g4 m3 :¥gO CO m„ :K P Q :”XƒC 9:sÙ V:fx@:Kv OP™v Xv] :L y would have been containing serial numbers, every time there would be changes in the composition of the Senate membership, they :fx@:v would have updated it and they would have given serial number. 6 B ‹ P]R bc‹ ŠBB P U E•7‹ P U E :€4 4E : thanks to the old record :X:1:˘—:K] O C Q OOO• :Lšœ >:L` a :gmjO :9:KD Q g mj Ov :o v Y:?>@:K Q g mj O v :L V 6 6 B PT pR B Š t B p when we moved ˘ KO S :Lei ?:L ] 2 Vupdate :1:…:˘LO C SSai :Le ?:9j47 :Lš •V :L :€94 E ¦C¦ :s9?:94 ?:…
114 U B t P‹ B bc P :LV :fx@:1:s9v O C™4 R :1 n :KOOTSS :´2:Lv7 ] 9 ™ ^ Y:X:”@:L`V a :dK T : documents :=>:1O C : in the Opposition U B B 6 R B 6 }Rbc P •7 } R R P P :‡av :?>@:9jjO7 Y:94 7 :o4 :L`a ::L V :2:†vVO j E :KOOOQC :¥9:o Ù›Cv @:dX:9ŠŠ :o 4 :M9:LÉv • 7 @:‡ a v :X: ] K TTSS :2 l @˘K :documents ‹ B •V B B 6 dKOOPTS :Lš•V :L a @:z9{ D :w‡‰ :M@:X:L] ] :K P Q ::d>Y:2:Vattest :XV :M@ 6 ¼H it needs a revolutionary reform in the :1:”X:9n Si ja4b :K OPQ maintenance of the record in our Senate Secretariat. We should be role model but we have not been even following the minimum B 6 ‹‹ }R P ] •FR 6 }R P 6 5 5 :follow :o4 :K:¥O Q k X:¥VO j ˘Lei :9XC S i follow :o4 :K:gY:LO Q mÙ ] Xav :L y :L ] X a v :†@:1:O C O Cthreshold, 6 dLei :9C X Si P uOC ‹ U E B dated 13 :1O C :Lei : Annex 24 :X4E :9:fx@:KD v O ™ Y ! €4 E 9¦ :?@Y: :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E d d Lei :March, 2009 Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Very next day sir, G B on the 12th March, 2009 the three years ˘:@XSi :ï>g® :cycle :9Oj7 :X:V2009 :˘w?9v Q12 cycle started, the current cycle which would run out on 12th March, ‹ B B p ‹ 6 d9Z :´2v7 :9 j P„ :?>@:KOP3S :2O 7 Y:~?XaR :X V :fx@:v 2012ÉÉ. 6 B P U E B d”XSi :9?:JSOOT ŒOC Y:gO m vÑ :†C @:† C @:X ] :K O Q::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E BB B P PR P R ‹ c ‹ P y tenure 12th March, :@?93SOOOp :1n :”XSi :9?:1S T • ^ :KQ :˘K • :˘K • :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 B •E you have to bear a few more months with us.:Lš•Š :M@:˘9Z XSi :… :X V :2012 6• U 6 B t•‘ t P B :€ 4 E9¦ :s@X˜ :… @:s9 ™4 R :´gO mA :X:†@:1 ]O C n :Lei :9 • ^ :Lš •Š :M@:X:fx@:L V v ] :KO Q :1O C ! –@>:f94 j4E B B 6 B PB‹ 7 PR P R KOOOTS :LŠy 9|] :L :Y?9 | O ] ?:LÉ •] @:L :K:1:dL QO C a :K • :annexures :´?9„ :¥D :M9v C :L V but what I have provided are verified and rechecked before Senate Secretariat attested all the copies. B 6 B P P R P U E B dKOOTS :K • :disputed :X] :documents :1:1O C n :9•^ :L] :KO Q ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E BBBU 6 B PRp } R P R P R ‹ c ‹ P y :2V :JŒOC Y:documents :1:˘KO C OOO• :oS :L] x@:2ß Y@:X:o] 4 @:dK • :˘K • :?@Y:ˆ9 ’H@:z3b :g mjO Oj 66 B 6 B 6 d”Xƒ]iv[SS :Ll x@:X:X:f?94[ @:d”X:9 i j[jiS 9v :9 ƒ v[ :L l x@:KOPQ :X ]
115 6 B 6 R V ^ U E B ˚Lei 9j47 :€F :L V :rules :; :JvF :@?9„ :1O C ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: This is maintenance of record, these rules are standard, the maintenance of public record is standard, serial numbers are missing minimum threshold for maintaining the record is not maintained in the highest forum of Pakistan, representing the four provinces and the federation of Pakistan. ‹ 6 6 U 6 PQ 7R Qp P C B 6 •ƒ{ }R :KOOO :1:dLO C l :K2:†VO ja :2:¥:J9 V R „ :L V :fx@:…:X:Lv S ] l :K 9 j 47 :rules €4 4E:˘Lei :f94C :=z ’O :=> :X::o] 4 @: B Š R I want to walk you from 2009 from 2012.1n :Lei• :9OC Y:Lš :M@:L ƒ• É :XV :fx@:Lv ] Mr. Chairman: I have gone through it. B U ‹ c ‹ y :´?93SOOp :KPQ :M@:dK P C 94 [ x@:2:v7 Annexure 24, page 5 :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj 6 U U U 6 U P™TRÊV P\ •l Ê BRl tB PP\ Q™ R B R t :ECP :=>:˘KOOOO :oOj @::=>:˘KS :o :ov [ :K4 :?>@:L• :=?:s9™4 R :č94 jŠ 9:K { :M@:˘K :K 4 :†@O C :?>@:s 9™4 R :=?9O j l B 6 B U l B that was almost 7 :99CjD47 :9:€94 E ¦ :”9:M9B [ j ‘ :X:fx@:LV v ƒ]•R É:L :KOOPQ dK P j :oÊv[ :2ß Y@:Lš ÜV] ?Y:L 6 O 4 6 c B }R 6 B :rgm’ ˘:€94E ¦ :ˆ?@2@zŠ 4 j‘ :o 9 „ :?9:zv [ · 4] :LV : oath :€4 4E :9™R :”Y:— • vR :1:O C days later from Oath. P B GG• 6cG “ 6 c JUI(F) :X:>Y:LV y :KO Q :?9:”@:˘€v[4jE 9 ¦[ :zOOy ?:ç9:rg§ m’ :?>@:€ 4 E 9 ¦„¦ :=9 :ª9 :rg m’ :˘€ 4j E 9 ¦ :z y 2Š@z 4j‘ PQ alliance with government :XV :>Y:?>@9OjV :show :KO :alliance government benches d9OjV :benches show PT Š B Õ B P U E B dKO S :s9[ :o9:4 C :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 B B PR P ‹ }R ‹ c ‹ P y dK dK OOTS :L] ‡a4 :K Q :€•q :†@:oO C 4 @::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 P Š B 6 U E B dKO TS :s9[ :1:XO C ] :†C :w?9v Q 13 :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E U 6 U 6 B 6 R p7 R ‹ B 6 6 B B ‹ c ‹ P y :L] 9|aR :L Œ ™ :…:˘KY:…9:X:9SO Cj™] 7 @:˘9R :”Y:—@:w?9 Z v Q 13 :f94 j4E :”9S T : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 B B 6 B 6 B G PPR Sp }R B P6 PPœPQ B Œj Š dLš•]7 Y:L 2:KVOOOOO•3 :r@?x@:K :o4 :”Y:†@::fx@˘KO C v TS :L ]V x@:2:€ VO•4E :L :2:=g V O mÁ >:˘K jQ :K :KO @ B U B P•R P Q B t R PQ P c B U E B d9OjŠ :KOO :K :writing :Ly :”@:s XV :˘9Ojl :‡a4 :1:KO C O :Lš• • :†@:O C :KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E
116 Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, I must complement honourable Senator Abdul Raziq that right from the beginning till now Raziq sahib has also put on record 6 B |Š P Q PQ 6 PQ :¥ 94C : KO : ?>@ :”X:”9Si •OR :KO :˘9 ™R :9O j V : join :J9R „ :LV :€ 4 ygovernment benches L] :K:1:O n U 6 B c 6 bc PQ P•R he has the only :˘L] 9:94[O jV :?X•] :g4 m3 :9:€X D q Œ [ :L` a :K:O alliance :?>@9Ojl :KO :½‡‰ :~g® >Y consistent voice. Senator Muhammad Azam Khan Swati: Sir, I just want for the correction. Look at the record speech that he made about a few days ago, right in this particular proceeding what he said was that I was a member of Treasury, I was a State Minister then I quit and now I am a member of Opposition but because I have taboo. This is the exact word and he said I am not trying to make something but now I belong to the Opposition but I am not going to vote for one or the other. He abstains from voting. B B UU B PR 6tb c P t ‹ c ‹ P y ˘Lei :KOO• :Ò@gmÁ @:s XV :L a ` :˘K µ :J ŒOC Y:s @>??9D :1O C :fx@:v :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj in any case whether he is in Opposition and he opted not to vote but I will prove even for others that they were not in Opposition, they are not part of Opposition. So, itãs almost, with due respect, irrelevant. B 6 PQ 6 V PQ :within 24 hours :X:fx@:LV v ] :KO :9:D Annex 24 d”XSi :9?:2STV :f9:s4 C : consistency :X] :K O th Now, sir letãs go to dated 20 April, 2009, Annexure 25.dLei :9OC 9 ™ ^ Y B ‹ y U E B documents 25, :1:zO C ·4] :LV :L ] 2:VChange ! €94 E ¦ :~g2mCO ŒOj :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B 6 B ] R U :L] :”X\R @:o•©O :˚L a•• :Ll :Lš V :supply :XV :independent members of FATA :9jV :26, 27 B O P•R ^ B Š B d9Y:KOCO :JvF :XV :”@:?>@:Lš• :J V ?:2V :9 j 47
117 B 6 B R B ‹ c ‹ y :?>@::sV :verbal request :Ly :”@:LBB ] :”XO•a 9„ :?9:”@v [ ! f94 j4E ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj 6 B B 6 B uOC }R ‹ y P R ¢V t P R :L•a Y:”9ST > :o4 :€4 E 9¦ :~gmCO 2ŒOj :?>@::fx@d9v j V :KO • :disown :L] :o :?>@:sX:KSi O • :formal :1n :9™uOC Y O ‹ 6 •P4C dLei ?:L •a O :2ß Y@:1:LeO C i ? B P•R p B PT B U E B d9OOjl :9 j V :KO :o:S supply :XV :”@:1n :KO S :Lei ?:1 •^ :1O C ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 B B R 6 B ‹ c ‹ y everybody :˘st X Si:KOP• :X:]supply automatic ! f94 j4E ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj 6 page :fx@:2vl @:dKOPTS :J9R „ :LV :;V :fx@:1 v n :has right to get and seats are evidence uC 6 U :1n :Ll :KOOP™O Y:fx@:X:Kv ] P C 9:LÉ4[ ƒ [ :2:v75 within a matter of almost a month in few days from the new cycle which started on 12th March, 2009, all 11 members, 9 were allied with the government benches, 2 had the alliance with JUI(F) government benches, all 11 allied with government benches but 2 specifically with JUI party, 9 generally with the government alliance. th :X V:fx@:Kv OPQ : that is dated 5 June, 2010 :Lei : Annexure 26 :X4E :w‡‰ :M@ 6 }R PQ :o4 :KO :M@: I didnãt want to load number of copies.:˘”XSi 9Ojl :LŠ :L l x@:N9 „ :č94 j 7O ‡ Ó] G B status quo, no change ::˘Lei :KB œO] ?X:ov] pS > B B ‹ B B PQ6B 6 P Q B PQ U vE B Pjy :”Y:M@:X4E :L] :K O :1n :”XS i :9jiS 9v [Cj :994 7 :1:XO C V :fx@:Kv O ! KO gmjO :f94 j4E ::ˆ?@2@zŠO4j‘ :g mjO BB 6 6 PQ 6 G •iS PBÙ }RŠ } R :L] :KO :1n :9™j„R :9O V :=?9 @:L ] :€94 E ¦ :… O @247 @:gÞ O >2v 7 :”Y:M@:1n :o :~Y:Lš• :M@:=>:o :~Y:statement B 6 6 PQ6 P Q ‹ }R ‹ :¬>:M@:KÕ OO :1n :9™R :9 •^ :1:LO C ] :K :d”X:@X:9SSi i ™ • OP4C :2: v7Treasury Bench :?>@:Lei :9OjV :N9 3 ÜP„ @:o4 :f>> B G B 6 R ]B 6 ‹ B R R :d9™R :KOOOP• :K Pœ Q :KB O ?X@:Kv] P Q :˘”X:J9S i R „ :LV :Treasury Benches :KOPQ :?>@:”X:1SiÐE :9D :€•Ž ?X l :o }4 6 B R • P dLa :L \^ :Î9ÏŠ @:1:LO C ] :K O Q U ‹ ‹ 5 • l 6 R B P U E B d€4 E 9¦ :?@Y:o4 :do :XSi :clear :f94C :very good :˘Lei :† O ja : KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Annexure No. 27 this is dated 18 th April, 2011. So, why did I choose sir, this was pre vacancy occurrance and we wanted something in 2011, this is the copy I had
118 U R There is no change, status quo. dKOPC 9:LÉ4[ ƒ[ :2:v7 kindly page 5:f v x@:o}4 :2v7 ::M@:?>@: Annexure 25, 26, 27 are all the same. Now, I take you to next Annexure 28. By the way itãs clear that 6 ‹ ‹ ‹ B 6 party wise list of the :˘Lei :st XSi : date :s:¬22VO7 7 ŒOjy :€O•POj y : 2v7 : annexures :r93R :”@B 6 B c with :9D : parties :èƒjF :z·4] :LV :M@:‡avR :?>@: members of the Senate of Pakistan 6 6 B :”@:1B n :KOPTS :L] 2 Vclassify :X Vinterdependents :=>:z·4] :LV :M@:?>@:Le i :9C XSi :w@?z4 C @: names B B R 6 P P uOC 6 V :ª?9:M@:LO C ] :KOOQ :˘K ™ Y:X:V3rd May, 2011 :fx@:dLev i :J9R „ :L V :;:currently alliance 9D PQ‹ P Q Š t V :KOO : Y94C x@: €4•O7 @: K : early hours :€:X:4 4E V 2nd May, 2011 :ds:”XO•V :s9:sv D nd 6 st 5 PML (Q) :XV :2 May :1n :9™R :@X:Siannounce :XV :1 May :˘9OOjl :9 j V :1¶3 :2:v7sovereignty ~?9 3Sp will join the government, like all Pakistanis I was hoping that B B :oath :L] :”X\R @: probably the oath taking will be called off but it did not B 7 B and I fully ensured this was the only L• ` : senior Minister : LV : ”@ : ˘9OjŠ B rd as X:fx@:LVv ] :KOPQ :X: 4 E reason why I took this copy on 3 May, 2011, nd G the night when they took the oath on 2 :1n Lei :sV :; OPvC Annexure 28 May, the vacancy of Leader of the Opposition had occurred. 3rd May, 2011, you could rather technically see the position at night of 6 ¼H nd 1:”X9n Si ja4b :K:OPQ2 May, 2011, after the oath taking. with all due respect it would have been more graceful that the very next morning the resignation should have been offered. Mr. Chairman, it was probably, please allow me to say, your duty to de-notify opposition leader if somebody was not vacating after having seen oath taking and having considered legal and Constitutional reason to de-seat somebody from a responsibility which he or she was no longer attached to. 6 B B U }R u v[ PQ •q :1:?>@:oO C :o :X:Si vacancy occur :1:9nOjV :Ò‡:LW y :fx@:Lv ] :K:1:9O n k OP[4 :X:V : ˘o G B B :˘~Y :KB œO] ?X v]: sV : : ˘~Y: sV : :X:fx@:LV v ] :KOPQ : position was unchanged.
119 6 B P R p B 6 V vacancy :€:‡4 4E avR :?>@:L•Œ„ :9™^ Y:KO • : consistency :…:1SSn :X:1:1:1i CCnO 9:~Y:sC : ˘¥OC 2v7 @ 6 U very next morning I requested for a copy and the copy :X:o]•l X:S i occur still shows the same position. There is no change. U V •q U E B :dLei :s :o : :X4E :1:O C:KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 B U U R ‹ c ‹ y :–@>:o•q : :X4E :9Z :”>x@:o}4 :2:v7document :LV :€94 E ¦ :s@X:K:t ˜ OPQ:?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj but there is luckily, no marshal change between the two dates, Lei so we will not have a much problem if the vacancy occurred on 6 B B ‹ B BBP] 6 PSp Œ Š :occur :¬4 V :vacancy :1n :LšÜV] ?Y:L :?Y?x@:9X:92:KZSi C V OO· :1:LšO C •VŠ :L :”X • • >:L Š] @>:L x@:K 3 :KOj :19th so that we can incorporate in our new rules.sl X Si U Í PQ P ™ uOC 7 6 ‹ •F |Š B P U E B :KOO :M@:K Y:page 5:fx@:˘Lšv • 9j47 :1O C ! €94 E ¦ :?@YdLei :ªO :¥9:4 C :KO Q g mOjv :f94 j4E ‹ 6 5 R P p :page 6:?>@:o:Le4 i :†O ja :dKO TS :L ] 9™^ Y:alliance with the Government benches :oS > u serial 14, independents.:KOP™ OC Y Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: This has been consistent. uC party wise :=> this is then sum total of hundred.Ll :KOP™ O Y:´?9„ :fx@:2@v l U B 6 ‹ 6 Ž45 tB OPBC 6 V P :r—„ @:L] 93Ê·Š @:€O•© :˘L • 7 @:s?9:2v CjCƒv j v :”9œV 9:s:fx@:”9 v v • OR They are with names.dK O TS U ‹ B 6 B H 6 7 dddddL•l x@:r9:LC V :”XO•7 ?9:ov C :€\4R :?>@ xyz ˘L• @ Mr. Chairman: They are not with any party. B B ‹ c ‹ y They are.:o45 :KOP•R ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj U B dKOPµ :JŒOC Y:page 6 fx@:v :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, they were still independents, they have written no letter to you that they are not independents. Mr. Chairman: They are not of any political party.
120 Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: If they should have alliance and then, they should have to join any party. Mr. Chairman: They have not joined any party. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Yes, they have not joined any party. U R B ‹ Ll :KOPC x@:o}4 @:?gmjO Š :X 4E :L V :fx@v when we walk through the facts they have not yet joined any party, they still having alliance, alliance doesnãt entitle to vote. They are still not members of the Opposition. If I technically take in the stricto senso the word members in Opposition even the two JUI allied gentlemen do not fall in that category as they did not join party. If they joined through the Election Commission of Pakistan and proper process had been followed like VBB7G \ R then it would have been fine. There was w‡:s‰ :14 jE 9¦ :K>2:rXO v7 •ƒD :K4 :~g O mA no question. They would have paid a price by attracting defection Article 63(A) and they would have the privilege of voting for U Š B t and exercised the choice Lš• :´gO mA :9OC:€94E ¦ :~?zO j E :f94 j4E :s9 ™ 4 R :´gO mA :anybody. for the ascertainment as to who is the Leader of the Opposition I B B }}R R B Š H p P[ B Œ jŠ :o4 :o 4 @:X:€:”@:LšV 4 y • :o@::1:99‡:o:YXn OC Q  S E:L] :fx@:Lš`:Kv œ O : had no problem l PQ because out s:LƒQ :consistent :XV :fx@:1:Kv O C O :~‡¼H :M@::dLei :9?:9ST4 [C™ :99O ^ Y:independents Õ 6 B :o9:?>@:Le4Ci :99 C[C™4 :99O ^ Y:2ß Y@:XV :”@:1n :X4 E :of twelve independents one opted for BNP 6 at serial No.7 that includes Kalsoom :KOPTSS :LV :s:K@:s:Xvt B O 74 t 4E :K B O PPP CQT :K O :”@:KB O :X 4 E G 6 U 6 Sahiba :K>2:rXBBOOO7v7 •ƒD :†:oC •q :K PC :K P Q :M@: on serial No. 7 sir 2v7 : page :oH @: Perveen P d:KO TS :14 jE 9 ¦ U U B c 6 U B dod:K45 OOPTS :L•l :L ] 9™^ Y:?g4 m3 :KB P C :”9 • OR :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E
121 B P}R B 7G P B ‹ c ‹ P y That is why they KOOOTS :o4 :14 jE 9¦ :K>2:rXv7 •ƒD :K:”@: Q :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj are reduced from twelve to eleven and this position have been 6 B B P R :”>?9v[ :1:?>@:9O C ™ R :@X:”Y:†@:1SiO C ¿ C Xv E :KO Q :LŠ @>:L ƒ • É:consistent in all the five, four rather B B P V P sir my :KO Q :€4y :LV :€ 4 y :1:O CAnnex 21,22,23,24 :Lei :s :Ò‡W :XV :fx@:Lv ] :KOQ :X 4 E :”>?9v[ :L V P P B dKO TS :independents 1O C KO Q :€4 y :”@:apology 28,27,26,25 sir B 6 6 B U E B dLei :9Y:9OC j 47 :L ] :fx@:†:v C :KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B B }R PQ P [ 6 6 5 ‹ c ‹ P y if :1n :9OOjV :Ò‡:oW 4 @:L] :KO :Lš`:dLe œ i :99 C j 4 7 :†:CAnnes-28 :o4 ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 c :rgm’ : ´?93Sp : you can kindly look at quickly sir with all due respect He has been former Chairman, I wish he should have :KOPTS : colleague been here. U B Lei : :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E 6 BBB B PQB 6 }R R P Q P [ ‹ c ‹ P y :M@:J9R „ :LV ::ink :L] :KOO :X:”@:9V ™R :9O j V :Ò‡:oW 4 :L ƒ]œ• É:L :K :Lš`::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B B B R because of reduction of the annexures =gO mÁ >: KOPTS :g4 m3 :L] @2:X:1:Lev7 4E n i :9™uµ :Lš • Š BB 6 B B 6 U B PQ ^ R t B }R t 6 :M@:Lš] Y:N9|] :L ] :KO :=>:L \] :L :”XO•a 9„ :´g® >Y:?>@:L] :€4 E 9 ¦C¦ :s9?:94 ?:X4 E : o :sX:f9:XSi4C 4 E : B U B P R dKO TS :LÔµ :g4 m3 :L •7 :1:LšO C • Š B U P•R 6 t B P U E B dKO :f94C :s XV :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E B H •y B ‹ c ‹ P y hand 9:€9D4 E ¦’ :Y94 :…O >:f94 j 4E : Annexure No. 29 :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B st de-f94 j4E :2v7 :dated 21 of May and Annexure 30 Lei written resignation B E ‹ Sahib :2:;v74 Lei :9OjV :?Y?x@:L V 2: V accept :XV :M@L ] Acting Chairman :Lei : notification B B P[ P Q P T p I think it is the high time that :1n :9OjV :Ò‡:Lš`:LW œ ] :KOO :d:KS : points :oSO :>Y:´g mA B I think it would be a :sl XSi :s Š 9[ :¬ 4 Vvacancy :1 nwe establish and ascertain great service, letãs improve our rules upon National Assembly rules when we do our job. We should not cut paste, we should be more innovative, more out world looking, out of the box and be realistic
122 :~gO mA :and pragmatic for taking a decision and following the rules. So, G B sir, I know a little bit but I would not open the mouth for :1n :Lei :1O C :M?@2 l :resignation :—•vR :1n :the purpose of respect for Mr. Wasim Sajjad. I know B B 6 B ŒjŠ 6 B R6 R }R 6 :KO :9™R :9X: C Si process :XV :ª?9:ª9:1:1O Cv v C O C n : I know :˘o : request :9OjV :2:M@:1v7 n : I know ˘9™R :9O C x@:¬ 4 V let it not be part of record. I have regard and respect for him as he is a former Chairman but sir, this falls in, you as a judge would know, in what category? He filed a resignation and later pulled it B 6 7 bc :9C x@: till new Leader of the Opposition KY:LO ] 2:V continue :L`a :1n : request :1O C : out B 6 Š p PT :9OjV ::Lš•V :L :”XŠ 9 „ :L Š]l @>:L x@L x@:…S :˚Le i :9?:X:9STSi O j V :1:gdKO C ® O S :L] 2:V verbal request ˘Lei instead of improving we are diluting our standards, :KOPTS :Lei ?:2V :model set we are diluting our ethics, we are diluting our morals. Where are going our morals? We are going backward. We are going to 17 th B 6 bc :´gO mA :=>:Lš•Š :L V :”@:LeB i : regard :€\4R :L`:1:9an •^ :L ] :K:Lš`:NOPQ œ P [ 9[ g¹4R : century sir, U ‹ PV PP BU vE PP t P :KOOOSOOOTSSSS :w‡:s‰ :”XO•7 9™4 R :˘:K TQ :Lei ?:K gmjO :´?9 3p :˘:K TQ :Le i ?:K :s?9:~gv C O mA :˘:K T :Le i ?:Colleague I think he should have been the first one, without you asking to :K B ŒOjŠ tender resignation. If I were him I would have tendered resignation B B U 6 t t PQ when Ishaq Khan ”X:9?:2SiSTV :f9:s9?:sX4 C 4 C V :KO :1n :same evening and it is not dismissed the government in 1993 I was the first one to tender resignation. I was leaving for abroad and I returned from Karachi P ‹ You are the Acting KO µ :JŒOC Y:Y?9|O] ?:fx@:v and at midnight, I sent resignation. President, please, call the record to see that very night of that 1993, I tendered my resignation as a Minister of State. I think these P B ¢V and you are bound :KO TS :1ÐE :†@:9:gO C D O mvÑ :o :fx@:2@:1v l n : are morals and ethics within certain parameters, you have to move according to that. I think your conscience, your honesty, your privilege, your rights; your
:1O C : obligations all demand that you should remain above all these. G B B B B B ŒjŠ 6 P•R ^ P Q P T :€4 E 9¦ :9 ¦ ?:X4E :1n :Lei :M?@2:~gl O mA :KO :9 j \^:KOOO :JvF :K :=>—:L{ V :M@:KS : petty things :~>9Oj7 Y
123 B B P }R PB P t P 6 •Û :1n : KO µ 2V : add :o4 :1:O C kindly :KOOQ :”@:K TS :s2:V determinations :X:K:M@:94E O Q ™R :9 • ^ :ª4 :L ] B what is the point when the vacancy will occur, it :1n :Lše•i 9:9X:v[ C Sidetermine is a very legal issue sir, I will take you, without wasting time now 6 V H •y : :dLei :9:Dde-notification :s:€94 E ¦ :Y94 ’ :…O >:X:] to Annexure 31. Annexure 30 B B B 6• U U D E t•‘ t •q PQ :L] :”X\R @:=>:?>@:9OjV : Adopt :¥:X:;:LV4 ] :€94 E ¦ :s@X:… ˜ @:s9 ™4 R :´gO mA :˘Le i :9:o D : :1O C :K O B B 6 U }•V R ëC P •×] V •q :o 4 :Lƒ• É:pattern :1:dLeOOCi :o 9:LQ ] :K::¥O QO j :1: C I donãt blame him :d9jV :Ly :1>:s4[ :o : O B 6 B R If you see my request when this process of ascertainment d9™R 9 j 47 :K OP• B 6 c uC ‹ rd :fx@:Lv a `b :1n :sV :request :Ly :”@:LB ] :KOOPQ :X::K] P ™ O Y:gmjO Š :@gO mA :fx@:2@:v l started after 3 of May B 6 B ‹B •× ] :9jO7 Y:f>>:L] :”X\•4E :˘KY:¥O7 Oj :L yŠV :L @X:L E :Treasury and government benches B B 6 B 6 bc :KOPQ :˘Lei :st 2V : request :Ly :”@:X:LB ] ] :K:dLeOPQ i :9k] X: V electoral college :@gO mA :1n X:9Si jv7 :L`a :Le i B BB B B P•R 6Vbc 6 V V B bc PT P B :KO :f?>gÀ :s :”XO•• 94C :La ` :˘Le i :f?>g À :s :choice :s :”@:La ` :˘KO S :Lš • µ :signatures :Ly :”@:L ] B U B ŒjŠ P T ‹ Š Pj\4R t Õ that is my constituency. :KO :KO S :honourable :´2:Lš47 • :´gO mA :KO :s9™4 R :o9:dLe4 C i I am not going to waste my time for the purpose of this thing 6 6 B PT ‹ ]B Õ p here my movement is limited by the :KO S :L] 2:9V™•V @:X:;2:o9:…:] 4 7 4 C S otherwise electoral college to be set by the Secretary, Senate Secretariat and B B B ‹ y 6 c U 6 R B :9¦ ?:gmjO POj :rg m’ :?>@9X:1ZSSi¶jœq :oãOR :X:9X:K ]i Z OP• :2@:1l ¿ C XO • V :it should be in the rules again B B B B Pn •Û t I will ”X] 9 ±/;O :´?9„ :=>:?>@: electoral college :9OjV : quote :X:fx@:ªV v 4 :L] :€94 E ¦ :s9?4 C not repeat. B U B dKOPTS :Lš•V :note :L] :KOPQ :´?9„ :=>::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B UU B ‹ c ‹ y I will not repeat :K:LOPTS ] X:LSi ] 9‡:Q  note :L] :fx@:=>:v :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj B B B B R B 6 G :˘KOOPTS :st 2V :K P • :repeat :L] :KOOOPQ :Kg 7O mvÑ :=>:1n :9™R :9 • ^ :K P Q :ï> g:L® ] :K:OPQand I adopt all that B B 6 U Š }RB B PQ } R t 6 P [ I adopt :?>@::Lš• :L V :L ] 2:Vtime save ::9:fx@LeDC|v i :9Y:oO 4 :N9] :X:”@:LV ] :KO :˘o :sX:f9:Lš`S i 4 C œ B B :o•v7 @: XV : fx@:v L] : KOPQ : ?>@: : all that except relating to PML (Q) 9 members why they should be counted, other than KOPTS :~Y: different 12 reasons B :@?Y:that I adopt all his arguments and all his copies he has provided.
124 6• B U •‘ ‹ P y uOC :€94 E ¦ :s@X:…t˜ @:gmjO Oj :s9 t ™ 4 R :´gO mA : I will draw your kind attention KOP™ Y:2:v7 BBB PQ P [6 D }R luckily, luckily there is not much :1n :9•^ :L] :KO :Lš`:d9 œ ™jDR :9O V :2Y:9:M@:¥:oV 4 :L ] change between 2nd and 19 th May otherwise there would have B B “ PQB P Q :show :L] :”X\R @:…9:>Y:K:M@:˚f9DOO4 j4E :Le i :9O j V :K:M@: been another dispute. U ‹ B B B :Lš•7 9‡Q  :fX] :@?Y:fx@v ! f94 j4E : Treasury members and Opposition benches.Lš•V B 6 U B R B ‹ U ‹ ‹ B “ hand :L] :fx@:€v 4 4E :o} :sX:át SijPOj q :X:o V • q :~?93Sp :X 4E :1:d9Y:JC CŒµ :¥X:LC ]] :”X \ R @:K OP Q :…9 D :L ƒ • R É:2>@v7 B O O üÛ R 6 :Lb :ªv 9C :when I will take you later to your office note :9™R :9 ™ u µ :written note v 6 U }R t G 4R B and you were :XSSi :Y9:XOC V :fx@:2v l @:o :s X i :€F :2:M@:~?9v 7 3 Sp :”Y:M@:I will discuss but 9D B 6 }R t ‹ at :1n :9OjV :recognize :XV :M@:o 4 :L] :€4 E 9¦ :s@X˜ :?>@:9O jl X:9S i ™ v 5 @:@2:1:147 O C n :very kind, you said least Electoral College, a declared Electoral College was there. We had objections on it rightly, the other candidate and his nominee had also certain objection. I will come to that latter and you 6 R V B 6 PQ :26 :?>@:La :½‡‰ :s : treasury :”9D ?@: 74 :˚9™R :9O j V :K:O M@: recorded those objections. 6 B 6 B G B VPQ }R V 6 pRVBB • OP 4C œO ] B :s :fx@:Kv O :˚o :s :request :9OOjV :¬>:M@:LÕ ] :…SS :X:Y9:Xi C V :fx@:2v l @:dL a :½‡‰ :s :2v F :K ?X@:”9v ] D ?@ 6 U 6 B 6 :1n : you will find :X:K] OPC 9:LÉ4[ ƒ[ :2:v7 page 2:LV : annexure :oH @:fx@:2v l @:˘”XSi :9jiS 9v [ :9–Y:1 C 4[ X ] U B V B B P t :>Y: ”@: ˘Lei : @XSi : 9™uµ : ”9S T >: L y : 14[ >: s : alliance : r9C : 9 D : ”@: ˘ K:LO TS V : JUI (F):s 9™4 R :>Y:´?9 3 Sp PQ Q G dKO :opposition benches :Lei :9OjV :¥9 „ :X:Vindependents 26 opposition members include Senator Abdul Rashid and Molana Muhammad Saleh Shah sahib , showed as alliance with JUI (F) and remaining rightly nine have been included on the next page, at the end, independents nine including Mr. Abdul Raziq in the treasury benches. PQ P3Sp 6 :gS T 94C :XV :M@:KO : but I will come to this later :9OOjl :9Y:K C O :X: 4E electoral college :9™R :1O C I think it will facilitate, because I am narrowing down the :d”XSi :9?:JST V ? U B B }R PQŠV t P Q § Š :d”X:9?:J?:g9:X:M@:oSiSTCVS T 4 V 4 @:KOO :Lš•] :M@:˘L 9:s4 [„ :@zOjv7 :s9 x@:K :L ] 2:1V ¶ Ð O• :L •Vš :L :fx@:1v n :issue 66 B 6 p p PQ P T P Q B d”XSi :9jOPµ 2V :deal oSSO :J9R„ :o :2ß Y@:XV :M@:KOOO :X:K ] S 9v [ :fx@:2v l @::K :N9O j E :´g mA ! f94 j4E
125 6 6 U B dLei :9™v 5 @:X:K] OPµ 2:o:J9V pS R „ :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B p 6 B 6 ‹ c ‹ P y :M@:L] :…SSS :1n :9Z X:Y9:XiO C V :fx@:d”X:9v i j OPµ 2 V ! f94 j4E :”XSi :9 j PO µ 2V : :?@Y :ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B 6 B B ‹ bc R 6 opposition :X:”@:9Y:f>>:L`VOCa :L ] :”XO •a 9 „ :XL ] V : PML (Q):X:14E n :9OjV : objection :1O C :¬Õ > 6 B d9™R :Lše•i 9:9v [ j a u µ :K:OPQbenches BBB B Š ‹‹BBP•R P µ B U E B :dLš• :L V :€•q :=?zjv7 :½g:KÀ OO :=Y9?::˚KOC 2:1V Ï• >:9:€ D • q :=?z j v7 ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B 6 ‹ R B B B ‹ c ‹ y dKOOPTS :Lš•Pµ :¾2:ov7}4 :?93R :dK2:z 7 V jœv] :fx@:Lš`:v œ P [ :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z 3b :g mjO POj ‹ B •P4C B B p U B dKOP™ O :z·4] :LV :f‡4 Üq :Le i 9:Lev[ i :92: C Vconclude :L] :…S :wx@:X4 V :M@::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, I am almost through. I will not take much of the time. B R 6 ‹ B ‹ R B U B :=?zjv7 :o}4 @: we will sit down.:X] :´2 v7:9ja•P O4C :o}4 :z·4] :LV :f‡4 Üq : :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E 6 B 6 B P ‹ R P ‹ :Lei 9:v[We will conclude it today ::dKO TS :L] 9x@:2:€4[ v7 •q :20 :2V :ª:4 4 6:dKO TS :Lš•Pµ 2V :1Ï• >:9D :€ • q B U U B P•R 6t P C R 6 dKOO :f9:sX:˘K4CV 94 [ :ª:X:L4 4 ] V :f@? (The House was adjourned for 15 minutes) [The House reassembled after a break at 6:22 p.m. with Mr. Chairman (Mr. Farooq Hamid Naek) in the Chai.] B c6 bO•v7 P R H U E B I am ˘Lei :o2:€l\4R :LÉ a :dLe i :9?:2:KST V O • :r9:”X D O•V :o :´@:1:O C :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E U 6 ‹ dLei :1¶jœq :9jV ::1 n :KO7 2V :9 j v 7 :fx@v ! €4 E 9¦ :~gmCO 2ŒOjy ˚Lei :1>:94[ j V :sV :M@::noticing it. O O B ÊŽH c B B P U vE B ] •y ‹ y :Lš•Š :M@:˘Le i :9ST ?:X Si:M—@:9:o4 [ D 4j @:oX:1 •¿C X O • V ! KO Q gmjO :f94 j4E ::oÓO z¦ :KOP3O :g mjO PO j B dLei :=Y9OC ?:load 6 B 6 B ‹ B •E ÊjŽH c B t B Pjy dLei 9Ojl :X:…Si :M—@:9:o4 [ D 4 @:oX:X:f@ • ] 4 ! –@>:f94 j4E ::s 94C ?:9 ¦ ?:”9O j q :g mjO O 6 B 6 •E 5 B U E B dLei :9Ojl :X:…Si :M—4 [ @:X:”9>:o: ] S T 4 :KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B B R ‹ c ‹ y central air conditioning thermostat :L] :”X\R @:o}4 @::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj we are second class citizens.˘sl :XSi :~Y:2V :…^ :
126 B ‹ P•R | Š H 7 6 y B P U E B :9?:2:KSTVOO :r9:¥ DC 9:o4 :´@:1n :Lei :14 [ >:9O jjV ::K2:9 V v 7 ! €94 E ¦ :~227 ŒOj ::KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E ‹ d€4 E 9¦ :?@Y:o45 :dLei B B B PQ BPQ U vE B t6 •E B ¡ Ž 5 ¢ 4 ] ‹ c ‹ P y :L] ::K O ! KO gmjO :f94 j4E :s9g4 C ¹ c :€\4R ::d…O 2@:KŠ 2@:•@:… Š ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj G 6 ‹ d”>2V :ï>g® :Ly :”9•^ :?>@:9 ™R :@?Xav5 :”9 • ^ 6 ‹ B U B let us ascertain, the then vacancy of 9™R :@?X av5:L] :fx@:v :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E the Leader of the Opposition. B B 6 B 5 ‹ c ‹ P y this record :1n :9™R :9Y:O C comment :†O C @:L] :fx@v ! f94 j4E :o4 :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj • B even if you lack the Lei :gS T 9 ! –@>:f94 j4E : is maintained under what rule? rule, the maintenance of official record is the responsibility of every department. U B :rules :LV : Supreme Court and High Court fx@:2v l @: :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E ‹ •œy 6 uC how the record has to be maintained.:1n :Lei :… :=z99:9:”@:X::K{ ± C D B ] OP™ O Y 4 B •FÍ ‹ c ‹ P y but the basic record got to be : Lei : ªO : =>: :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj maintained. It is maintained by no less than the Legislative Branch. B U B maintenance of :?z@:LC V :M@:˘L l :K2O7 V :rule amend :X4E :fx@:v :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E }R d9Z XSi :chapter :†O C @:o4 :9D :official record Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, it is right now maintained by no less than the Legislative Branch. B ‹ B B 5 P R U E B :´2v7 : 9jO7 Y: chapter : †O C @: XV : fx@:v ?zC @: LV : M@: ˘o4 : KO • : :KB OPQ gmjO v : f94 j4E maintenance of official record.9Z Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: I agree that would be a value addition. B R G R U B Sindh and Lahore :=>:2@:˘Kl OPTS :K O P • :YX 4E X:€ q 4E 9¦ :~z • ¢q ::o}4 @::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E he will get a lot of guidance from that.˘KOPµ :JŒOC Y:rules :L V High Courts
127 G B 6 B P B ‹ c ‹ P y I had cited :1n :9™R :9?:2S T V :1:M?@2O C l :K O Q ! –@>: f94 j4E : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 R U p :˘KOPµ :JŒOC Y: Annex-31 :fx@:dLv a :L •l :L y :”9•OR :…:€:S4 4E different annexures upto 31, B PQ PQ B PQ :M@:KO :z·4] :?>@:”>Y2V :merge :XV :M@:KO :1 n:Lei :99‡:LOC QÂ ] :fx@:1v¿C XvE :˘:9 Z :”X ƒv[ :2V :L Š :X V :fx@:2:M@:K v v 7 O U B then let me take you to Annex-57. If you want me ”>x@:1C :;v] @>:2v7 : topic to merge, itãs upto you sir? U B dKOPµ :2V :o:45:KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B 6 B ‹ c ‹ y :subject under discussion :X4E :¬Õ >:M@ ! –@>:f94 j4E : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj PQ para-:9D :fx@:1v O C : With all due respect sir,dLei :KO :´?94C:LV :M@: office note :1O C :Lei U B :1n :X4E : para-17 :Ly : para-11 ::1n :KOPC 9‡:Q Â note :Ly @:fx@v ! –@>:f94 j4E :˘Lei : para-17 Ly : 11 B ‹ V R y hand written :s :fx@:‡v av :?>@:9OjV : put up :XV :fx@:v on this subject :L] :€94 E ¦ :~227 ŒOj 6 B 6 with all due respect, :XV :fx@:Kv OPQ :”9•OR :?>@:”XSi :9jiS 9v [ :9–Y:1 C 4[ X:s ] V :fx@:2:M@:Kv v7 OPQ :dLei :noting U 6 6 G R we 1n :9:”>9Z j47 :LV :2:¬9:oV 47 C } 4 @:X:fx@:KV v OPQ :I have a lot of regard for everybody. have tampered record. Please read, para-11 reads. åAfter PML (Q) decision to join the government, Mr. Wasim Sajjad, Leader of the Opposition in the Senate has tendered his resignation. Consequently, the slot of Leader of the Opposition has fallen vacantç. This office note is dated 19-05-2011. R U B dLei :o:9:pS D19-5-2011 :o}4 :@gO mA ::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B U R ‹ c ‹ y My view that he :dL ei :9™uµ :o:X:opS V • q :19 :o}4 :L] ::fx@:o:v 4 5 :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj had tendered resignation before, everybody knew in this building. U B •q P n 7 B :after thought :9:oD :;O @:1:O Creplacement of paper work,:1n :KY:LO ] 2:1:r9:1:V CD O C Sir, 6 B Â } R as a judge you :˘Lei :¬>:=Y9?:o9ÕOC D :o 4 @:I will prove you its after thought :˘Lei
128 BBB6 •§ PQ}R ã ^ 6 Š P Q :Lƒ]]Ð š :L :KOO :1n :9•^ :L :fx@:€:ov4 4E :o :f9:1:X:fx@:Lš4 C O C V v •] :M@:L :K :will appreciate me, B B 6 B U 6 R 6 d9™R :Lše•i 9:9v [ j a u OC Y:record :X:fx@:€9Vv 4 E ¦ :KgB OOOPQmjOvE :1:9n •^ :L] :K:X:Le P Q ] i :9 ™ uO C Y:K P • :record :¬Õ >:L V Forming an opinion without seeing relevant record and having total reliance on your subordinates and Secretariat is unfair. At least when I was three times Minister in the Government, I would not be happy like this. Why should I just sign eye blind or accept it totally without seeing record. B B B 6 }R P P p :o4 @:L] :KO Q :X::fx@:1Vv n :”X:9S i ST?:2:Ò‡VW ::KO Q :L•q 9„ :L V :fx@:1:dLšv O C • P µ :2:o: V S random check :fx@v B B B U 6 G PQ P • R B PQ P T :”X:9?2:¬9:1:”9Si STV 47 C•O C OR :KOO :dLei :9O j V :K :dilate :=Y9?:2:”@:LOCv7 ] :KOO :?>@:KS :L ] 9 ™ ^ Y:annexures U B 6 6 B R q P R •y :d9™R :9 |vE :x@: resignation :9:”@:LD ƒy• É:L :o• :; O C @:dL aŒ :LÉ [ :´Y: resignation ::€4 E 9¦ :…O >:1 n 6 6 6 U B there was no choice ˘Lei ? :L] XSi :N93ÜP„ @:perks and privileges †:oC •q :;OP n @::1¿C X vE when you de-notified, he had to replace his resignation with one dated 21-5-2011, this is very bad. It is not expected from a man of his stature, who has been Acting President of the Country, who p B Sir, this is :˚KOPTS :Lei ?::94[ :2ß zn :… S ! –@>:f 4 9j4E :has been Chairman of this House. ‹ 6 y B :€4 E 9¦ :~227 ŒOj :X:9:˘Le]O Ci :M9:Lv C V :”@:X4 E :a first flaw I am showing you on record B B B V 7 6 }R dLei :@XSi :resignation :1n :Lei :9•^ :L ] :”X\R @:2 v7 :basis :K:1:1O C n :KY:9O j47 :o4 @ It is noted, it is written, it is part of the office record. Let me read for benefit of my colleagues, para-11 of the office note on the subject: åAfter PML (Q) decision to join the government, Mr. Wasim Sajjad, Leader of the Opposition in the Senate has tendered his resignation. Consequently, the slot of Leader of the Opposition has fallen vacant.ç V B th :2v7 : basis :s :M@:?>@:Lei :9|vE :x@:2:v7 resignation record :9D :”@:?>@:Lei :9 D : note 19 May :1O C B B B B 6 B Š P § ‹ B ‹ y :”X] >Y:†C : 19 :1¿C XO•V :Lei :9Y:2:OC V put up :Lš•V• :L :Lš:1µ ¶ÐOO• ::fX::9] jv7 @:L ] :€94 E ¦ :~g2mC ŒOj
129 BB B U }R B and the :L• š7 Y:´Y:o 4 :letters :LŠ @>:choices :LV :supporters :L• É7 @:L • 7É @:L ] :”@?@>zOjq @ whole chapter was ready to be closed on 19th or after settling U :KOPQ :Lei :ruling :sVB :€4 E 9¦ :KOPQ g mjO vE :X4E :objections raised there to on that day. 6 G 6 ÊR PQ ‹ } R after thoughts were involved in 1n :”X:9?:2:¬9:1:f9:oSiSTV47 CCO C 4 •v :KO :d9 Z :”X ß 2:ov 7 4 :=> B ∗ B 6 ‹ G R [ ] :LÉ•7 @:fx@:1v n :9™R :9 ä 2::v7 KOPQ :ï>g® :L] :K:oOPQ }4 @: XXXXX of the record of the Senate. U 6 § ˘XSi ::malafide :sXt V :KOOPQ :M@:€4 4E :K2 7 V :review ::¬4 7 :XV :LƒÐ• š I am not blaming you, sir. You are not maintaining the record. You are not putting up these notes. Itãs the whole Secretariat but at the end of the day it is head of the department or the head of the institution. Unfortunately, that good performance or bad performance, badly or wrongly, is shared by the head of the institution. We all have suffered or benefited in the past due to this principle. So 6 U R 6 G B ::M9:LCV :fx@::X:Kv ] OPC 9 ™ ^ Y:o}4 :record ::1nC :L•\^ :1 :XV :”@:”Y:M@::fx@:2BB vl @:1 n :”XS i :9?:2T V :M?@2 l :1 C :X V :fx@:K v OPQ : v OOS U Pn G 6 t :´gO mA :so, that is why :˘ XSSi :@X i :X:;V O @:z9OC „ :denotified ˘ 9C XSi :?>@::s X V :resignation :wx@4 6 ::X:L] y :f94 kE deemed vacancy occurred on 3 rd of May, because he ceased to exist. He cannot under any stretch of imagination be Leader of the Opposition after midnight of 2nd of May, 2011, period. B 6 åIn :˘Lei :2Y:9:V D Rule 2(1) :z·4] :LV :M@:d”X:9Sijƒv[ :2:LV Š :L l x@::X:fx@:K V v OPQ :f@4 B B 6 uµ put up L] :”X\R @:X4 E ::K OPTS :L • a :XV :fx@:v pursuance of Rule 2(1)ç, Secretary Sahib 1n :Lš•V : åof Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate, 1988, Leader of the Opposition means a member of the House who in the opinion of the Chairman, Senate is for the time being the Leader of the members in opposition to the government in that
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130 Houseç. This provision without any detailed procedure gives the powers to the Chairman to nominate a Senator as Leader of the Opposition. It is para No.12 sir. Now, sir, I take you to para No.13. On 12th of May, 2011 B U B B as Parliamentary Leader of JUI :€94E¦ ::€ 4 O • •] :¥:9–X:s9Z Cq t ™ 4 R :´g O mA : f94 j4E : submitted a request to the Chairman that his party on the basis of strength in the Senate is single largest party in the opposition have 13 membersã support besides support of other groups. Through this communication, he proposed the name of Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haidri for the slot of the Leader of the Opposition in
:1O C :the Senate. However, Maulana Gul Naseeb was advised to submit, B B ‹ ‹ B ‹ yPT y ˘: ˘: 9Oj¦CV :Ò‡:X:€9W V4E :9–X:L q ] :¬g2O7 O mCŒOOj :1n :KO S :Le i ?:J:€9 Œ µ 4 E ¦ :~22 7 Œ j Maulana Gul Naseeb was advised åto submit a detailed list of proposers for the position of Leader of Opposition in the Senate, so that their request could be processed in accordance with the provisions of the relevant rulesç. 6 6 U V PQ there is a :1n ::9Ojl :X:Si establish ::X] :†O C @ :d 9Z :”>–Y:½‡ ‰:>Y::14[ X] :s :fx@:Kv O :2v7 :M@ procedure in practice, it is not in vacuum and as rightly pointed out by honourable Raza Rabbani Sahib this morning what we have U B 6 U R :˘€4 E 9 ¦:KgB OOPQmjO vE :˘K:L P TS ] X:LšSi • V : signature ::L] :fx@:˘Lv a :1ÐE :@?93Sp :fx@: v been processing, B Leader :XV :”@:€4 4E :I was campaigning for Mian Raza Rabbani,:d9Z XSi :Y9O C :X V :fx@v B ‹ B P3Sp ‹ Pn‹ 6 •ƒ{ 6 B :X:”@:KV O :L] :gmjO Y:†@:N9OOC„ :†@:1 C n ::Le i :f9:=z4 C’O :1:d9O C ™CjR :99O 47of the Opposition B Š c B process was there. This :KB ŒOj :9™^ ?:r>2 F Ly ::L] 9j47 : Leader of the Opposition process had been followed. Year after year, Opposition Leader after Opposition Leader in the last few years. The 2007 National Assembly rules also have been adopted accordingly. We are little :¥9Q D :fx@v outdated but the procedure is there in practice. Commonly, B B 6 • 6 ëC t •‘ PT P T P µ B B :o 9::LQ ] :€94 E ¦ :s@X:…˜ @:1::dKO C OOOSS :”9O jDCv7 9:M9:´gv O mA :X:K ] 9:2@:dKv [ l :N9 |]:XV :€4 E :9 ¦ :9 { x@
131 6 B B 6 R B R R but then I requested to provide me also the :KOOOPCP™ :oë 9:KQ • :L] :K:L P Q ƒ•ÉR˘K OP™ :copies :=>:2v7 :M@:?>@: copies that honourable Senator Azam Swati asked. B U Š B Pµ}R P T t ë µ Same process :˚@XSi :9OjV :Lš• :L V :€4 E 9 ¦ :9 { x@:Commonly :d:KOO :JŒOC Y:o4 :YXE :fx@:dKv S :s XS i :o B G B B Ê ŽH jœOPC Š t B B :o4j @:¥ :wx@:4 The process is same.:˚:@X:9Si OjV :Lš• :L V :€94 E ¦C¦j :s9?:94 ?::f94 4 E :dLe i : B P3Sp PT :99OC ›Š :2:r9v7 D :already :L] :fx@:Kv O :?>@:The process is same.:˚KO S :rules :9OjV :LV :2007 B B B B B U G B p :dKOPTS :L] 9j47 :rules :L•7 :•@:¸9 k]@:?>@::KOPTS :L] 2V :rules update :L] :…SS :1n :Le i :@X i U •V B U B dL`•FO :?>g::9À D :Maintenance of record :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B GGBB ‹ c ‹ y Sir, minimum record, : d•@: ¸9k] @: ˘•@: ¸9 k ] @: :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj B B You have been a Minister, I have :dLei :~?>g À:KOP•R :1:Len i :regardless rule B ˘ ˘ ”XSi :1C : ”X˘ Si:been minister three times, rules you ought to maintain the minimum official record. You cannot be immune. The Secretary is Principal Accounting Officer. Sir, please excuse me, he can go to gallows, if there is a major discrepancy and a major financial irregularity. Why Principal Accounting Officerãs concept is there in every institution. The whole purpose of putting responsibility on a person or a personality as Principal Accounting Officer is that anything goes wrong with the maintenance of record whereby there is any loss caused to anybody or the exchequer particularly, he or she as Principal Accounting Officer is responsible. They all have worked in that capacity or all of our Secretaries were Principal Accounting Officers. B B B BŒŠ P R 6 B V P B }R H P P :”@:rules KOj :Lei :KO • :f?>gÀ :s :Rules :dK O TS :?@Y:1A Y:LV :M@:o4 :1:w‡O C‰ :o @::1 n :9•^ :L ] :KO Q :Lš` œ [ : p ^ B ^ :KOP3S :XV :”@:?>@:9B Z :´Y:´Y: guiding principles :˘9Z :´Y:´Y: guidelines ::… ?@: … :X V B dLš• ei 9v[ :9 C 2V :facilitate I think this is a big reform we can introduce in the Senate of Pakistan. The other provincial assemblies and the National Assembly are probably going to follow your suit, sir.
132 Mr. Chairman: I think it will be big, big, big service to be done. G B B 6 B P 5 ‹ c ‹ P y that was not :1¿C X:1:vE n 9™R:9?:2ST V :1O C :M?@2 l :K O Q do4 : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj supported, it was only a letter, that was not supported with the :1n : signature. Secretary Sahib has rightly noted in his paragraph 13 U B for the position of : KOPC x@: LŠ : detailed list of proposals : fx@:v : !€4 E 9¦ :9–X C q 6 : : Lei :9j\^ :14 :@gO mCv :dKOPTS :Lei ?:2V :support :XV :fx@:Xv 4 E :Leader of the Opposition, åIn the meantime, a nomination duly signed by 24 members was submitted on 14 th May, 2011 proposing the name of Senator Muhammad Ishaq Dar as Leader of the Opposition in the Senate. This list includes seven members from PML (N), three members from Jamat-e-Islami, two members from National Party, one member from PKMAP, one member from Peoples Party (Sherpao) and an independent member Senator Muhammad Humayun Khan Mandokhel. Besides, 9 members belonging to PML (Q) have also signed the document proposing the name of Senator Muhammad Ishaq Dar as Leader of the Opposition in the Senateç. So, sir
independent :X4E ::::f>2v l :9D :13 members :@?93Sp :d9O C Y:´Y:breakdown :9D :24 :1O C 6 U G R cB c 7 U G P :dLa ::´?93SOp :g4m3 :=?zjv7 :?>@:L • l X:gSi 4 m3 :KXYX: ßv E LŠ @>: €94 E ¦ :>9gv CO m„ :˘Lei ::¥9Q „ :K:O Q group P who is shown, I will come to that later, who †O C @:Ly :K:O QIndependents B 6 B p6 • 7 B E 6 B B :Lei :oS ?:XSi ::f9:o4C3 @:~?9Sp :2:Kv7 4 :=>:X:?>@:9 ] ™R :”@X ß ?zjv7 :9 D :”@:?>@:is shown as independent B ‹ 6 B B y V R R :†@:LO C ] :€94 E ¦ :~227 ŒOj :s:24 ::X] :minus one common equals 9, :ª9:v vCplus :ªv 9vC ::X 4E U B we got a receipt :˘XV :o•q :14 :Lei :~Y:2V :submit :L] :…Sp :?>@:~Y 2V :factual recording B @:>:? :r9C :LV :fx@:v that proposal of 24 members requesting to nominate me, B U p dX:oV•q :=YXv E :s:LŠ Š :acknowledgement :2V :´Y:L] :…S ::=> 6 ‹ th PT y Para 15. åOn 18 of May, ::˚KO S :L] 9‡:9QÂ O jV :€94 E ¦ :~227 ŒOj :L l x@:f@:4 2011, Senator Maulana Gul Naseeb Khan Sahib, Parliamentary
133 Leader, JUI again submitted a request to the Chairman that some of their members were abroad and therefore, could not sign the proposal for nomination of Senator Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haidri Sahib as Leader of the Opposition in the Senate. He sought one week time for submitting the list of proposals. Later in the evening of 18 th of May, JUI submitted a list of signatures of 14 members Actually, it should ::d”>Y:2V : clarify :KOPQ :XV :M@: which include 12 from JUIç, B U 6 Fc V BE t ::2:”Xv7 \ë4[ :èƒj :?9:?9:s4C 4 C :K4 ::s9 ™ 4 R Y:> :=>:LV :be 10 from JUI (F) and 2 from FATA B B 6 B V p B G :†O C @: that makes 12, 9OjV alliance JR 9„ :LV : JUI (F) ::L] :”X\•4E ˘Le i :s:oY:”9S k] 6 U R P ‹ V th G • t :´?93SOp :†@:?>@:LO C a ::KQ :€œ Š :s :independent 19 May ::X4E :€4E 9¦ :zO j y ?:ç9:s9§ [™4 R :´?9 3 Sp U 6 B U t VBBBc VE B B t Sir, let d s x@:request †@:sO C :”@g4 m3 :=YXvE :Ly :½‡‰ :s :”@::X::¥ ]Oj >zjq :”9[ :”X9O ] 3Sp :s9 ™ 4 R B ‹ PQ :arithmetic :2:¾2:@gVv 7 OOmCv :—@:KZ O :Lei :N9OjE :@g mA : me do my arithmetic here for you, 6 it will be better. :˘”XSi :9C 2 V Para No.16: åIt is interesting to note that Senator Muhammad Humayun Khan Mandokhel has signed as proposer for both the contenders for the position of Leader of Opposition. Moreover, Senator Hafiz Rashid Ahmad belonging to FATA has been sitting on the treasury benches along with five other Senators from FATA but he has now signed as proposer for Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haidri. It is also pointed out that 9 Senators from PML(Q) have also signed in favour of Senator Muhammad Ishaq Darç. 6 bc U B and this is very ::Lše•i 9:1X:sv[ 4[ ] V :fx@:2>@:Lv v7 V :´gO mCv :M@::L` a ! KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B PR P :˘ 9?:1ST •^ :KOO• :K Q :1:O C crucial para sir, you know from the legal point of view. B BB6 B B P R p PB P R :”XV :1O C :dKO • :o:9SO™uC Y:backup record :L] :KOOQ :1n :Le i] ::9•^ :X:L] :fx@:1v ¿•CC XO • V :Le i ?:1^ :K • :fx@:1 v O B B E 6 P ‹ y :LV :K4 :?>@:9D :´?@Y@:M@:9 ™ R : principal accounting officer K:€OQ O•POj :X::˚Le 4E i :9?:1ST • ^ ‹ :Y?9|O] ?: no less than Legislative branch :?>@:Lei :9?:XST Si : under record maintain U B U B 7G p P R t p :14 jE 9¦ :K>2:rXOOv7 •ƒD :L] @X9:Le ˜ Q i :o?:x@:KS • : written request :sXV :?>@:Lei :oS ?:2V : maintain
134 we have no choice but to rely totally on the record maintained :L V ‹ :~27 2 ŒOjy : 2 v 7 basis M@: ?>@: by the Senate Secretariat, Legislative branch. 6 6 B B PTauOC B P C }R } R R PQ P [ P T B :?>@:KOOS ::Lei ?:L • Y:N9„ :K ::o4 :=>:1n ::9O j V :Ò‡W :o 4 :L ƒ • É::L] :KOO :Lš`:˚K œS :Le i ?:J:9Œµ OjV :X:”@:€V 4 E 9 ¦ 6 U ‹ PQ6U BBB •a4R ‹ B D 6 •P C } R :6 X:K]O :1n :Lei :9j[[j\^ :=>:˘>9:24 ß Y@:”9:M94 ‘\ :o :1 n :@2:9v 7 j ^ :¥:X:fx@::˚Le Vv i :9 j• a O 4 :”9 ^ :”X V :1 n :o4 :fx@ v 6 P B dKO TS :Lei ?:JŒµ :=>:1n :is very important :@gO mCv :1:X:d:”XO C ]S i :2ß Y@::Ly z·4] :L V :”X 4 E Let me sir, read it again. It is very important. åIt is interesting to note that Senator Hamayun Khan Mandokhail has signed as proposer for both the contenders for the position of Leader of the Oppositionç. Moreover sir, here you have to focus your decision d:Lei :problem :9D :issue :´?9„ :LV :fx@::”9v • OR åMoreover, Senator Hafiz Rashid Ahmed belonging to FATA has been sitting on the treasury benches along with 5 other Senators from FATA...ç B 6 6 p 6 6 B d9OjŠ :2:NXV 4•• :J9R „ :LV :r@g mÑ @:L ] :… S alliance JR 9„ :L V JUI :X] :9D :2 ! f94 j4E One could challenge that they are not part of JUI. They have never joined as Kalsoom Parveen Sahiba had joined, in which case the JUI number reduces from 12 to 10 and from 19 to 10. B G • P PB Œ Š has been sitting on the ::€94E ¦ :zO j y ?:ç9:L§ [ y :K:O Q 8 :1n :KO TS :Lei ?:1 •^ :YXE :1:KO C Oj B :Ly :K:;OPQ OPC @ treasury benches alongwith 5 other Senators from FATA. B B }R 5 6 6 :o4 :@?93Sp :?>@:Lei :position :1O C :o4 :1 n :9OC Y:´Y:break down :XV :fx@:Lv ] :”X \ R @:9D ::f9 „ :L V :f9 „ PT Q G PQ 5 dKO S :¥9„ :LV :9 PML (Q) :KO :24 :o4 :1n :9OC Y:1 • ^ Now I will take you to Para 17. åThe matter is placed before the honourable Chairman Senate who may pass such orders, as may be deemed appropriate in the circumstances of the caseç. BBU B B B ‹ B •PC t • 7 y 6 ¼H P note :1:~?@Y:1O C A Y:¸94] »q :LV : rules :?>@:oO x@:˘sX9:o]±v @:L] :€94 E ¦ :~227 ŒOj :1n :”X:9S i j a4b :K O Q U d~Y:2V :@Y@:XV :2011 :o•q :19 :LV :2V :put up
135 As Secretary of the Senate, I think, he discharged his responsibility to be transparent and honest and after the vacancy had occurred, he had put on record that what was the status on ground of Opposition members, what was the status of who has bagged how much choices and requesting you as honourable Chairman, to kindly now indulge yourself to take a decision. B G BB 6 P•R bc • B PQ P 3 Sp :1:9njv7 :KO :L`a :˘€94E ¦ :zO j y ?:ç9:f9§ [jj4 4 E :1:9 n O V :objection :L] :KOO :9:X:Y9:X:fx@:d9—:KZSiOO C V v C 4 C :L ] :fx@ v B B 6 B B PQ bc ‹ }R PQ ‹ 6 :fx@:Lv ] :KO :dLe i :— Qoffice note :La ` :2:??Y?x@:Lv7 V :fx@:ov4 @:X:1:d9]O C ™uµ :9O j V :KO :fX:L ] ] :fx@:¬>:M@ v Õ B 6 6 ‹ U B G 6 6 R •P4C t ‹ Pn B • :d9™CR :gm•4 :=Y9?:X:LO ]]a X:LS i š :s9 ™4 R :1:´gOOCO mA :2@:d–@Y:Lšl œ] :L :fx@:r9:9:€v CD¦[•4E 9 :zO j y ?:ç9:1:1§ C n :9^ :X V 6 B 6 6 •y B ¢ V P R 7 P B :o Y2?:X:o47 V :L] :KO Q :˘L a :Le i ?:X:S i sign :1:€O C 4 4E :dKY:2OOV :X:K] TS 9v[ :92 C V :expunge :XV :M@:fx@:2v l @ B 6 6 }R P P R :2:”9v7•¦O R :€4E 9 :~?zO j E :2@:”X l ƒv[ :99 Cj 47 :o4 :1:O CXV :fx@:Kv O Q :?>@:I donãt believe in that :d9•^ :K O • B U 6 6 PT PQ 6 V •q 6 6 R I started this :dKO S :Lš] YXV : 14 :L] :KO :1:˚@X:9O C SiOjV :X:f@?:s V :o : 13 :d9X:gC SSim• 4] :X:L] X i th :11 :KOPµ :JŒOC Y: letter :@gO mA :fx@:v signature obtaining process on 11 of May 6 U U B [ PQ 6 •q •q :9¦j ?:d9O l :2:¥:M9:LV v v CV :€4E 9 ¦ :~?zO j E :K O :X:9]™R :9?:X:S T S i joint session :€4 4E :X:oV :13 ?>@:9D :o B § 6 I fully support him. I am the :Lše•i 9:9X:Kv[ CSiOOPQ :”@X@:M@:X:LB O ] V ƒÐ• š :M@:1n :K P TS :L • \ ^ :€4 E 9 ¦ 6 B B PQ P Q }R :M9:LvCV :”@:KOO :X:˘K] :´?9:L4 C V :M@:9 Z :”>2V :Ò‡W :o4 @:biggest holder of that idea. B B B G R B PQ P TU 6 [ :=Y9?:gOC4 m3 :LV :fx@:2v l @:::€4 E 9 ¦ :9–X C q :1n :9 •^:L] :KOO :dKS :=@Xl :L V :M@:€4 E 9 ¦Cjj :>9gv O m„ :f94 § x@:?>@:9O l :2V :¥ v 6 B U U 6 PPyB bc Pt B P you KOOOOµT :JŒOC Y:1:˘KOOCSSS :Lš]V Y:L 2:çV F• Y:L ] :”XO•7 9™4R :L` a :1:˘K C T :s9 ™ 4 R :´gO mA :€94 E ¦C :9–X:X:K q ] T B B 6 B [B B P QD 76 bc P T :¥ @Y:z9{ Dj :9v7 @:KOOO :¥ ˘:KY:9 j4 7 :fx@:Lva ` :X:K] S :=Y9?:M9:LO CCv V :fx@:2 v l @: have not shown me U B B 6 B B B V •q PQ ] [P Q‹ y P • R :s :o :13 :˘KO :˘LV :signatures :gO m· 4 :letter :9OCY:2V :¥ @Y:X:L] ] :fx@:dKv OO :€O•POj :9Z :”>2 V :K U B B PT •q 6 I am talking about :dKO S :Lš] Y:signatures :XV :o 18 XV :fx@:Lv ] :”X \R @:?>@:”XS i :9ST ?:2V :f94 C 6 B 5 P ^ 6 V th :9X:@?9CSi 3 Sp :o:14 n : he wrote a letter before that :1n :KO TS :L•\ :1:df@?:sO C : 13 May B B B PT P Q B B i :X:˘KSi OOS :=Y9?:LOCV :fx@:2v l @:1n :9 •^ :L ] :K :d9 ™ uµ :ç E:L] :€94 E ¦ :9–X: C qwithout any support :˘Lš• e 9 v[ 6 B U }ÊRP•R } R ‹ Š Š • q bc6 B 6 b c 6 :position :9OjV :1:on :o:KQ O :o4 :€œ :s@>:o : 19 :1:L`O Ca :¬>:M@:dX:1:9Õ SSi C jv7 :L` a :˘”X:Le i i :9 j Œ „ 6 U U B U B \^ R •q R •q ^ G 6 6 P•R bc :L• :€:1d94 4E O C OOjV :9 j V :L ƒ• É:L y :o : 2 :9:LOC ƒ• É:L y :o : 19 :L] :”XO•7 9™4 R :J:z9:1:9vF OC „™jn R :9v7 :KO :L`dLe a i 6 U V}R } R 6 B V 6‹ 6 B t P :s :o4 :~?XvE :dLei :†@:oO C 4 :f@Y:s :•@:dLe i :99C4 [ :@2ŒvC :X:Le ] i :92 C V :maneuvering :=zj47 :s XV :1n :K O TS
136 B ‹ P•R R }R Sir, I am sorry to use these words. If they :d9x@:KOCO :†O ja :o4 :1ÚO] ‡:9:~?X ‰ D vE :?>@ have done all this before 2nd of May, this story would have been B :L] :K:KOPQ B ŒOjŠ :different today. It would have been difficult for me to prove. 6 B 7 6 bc PT P µ 6 B E I will trust you. :dKY:9O j47 :La ` :please :X:K] OOS :=Y9?:LOCV :fx@:2vl @:?>@:K :JŒOC Y:1O C :fx@:fg v ¨ :1 n 9 • ^ B G 6 P 6 4R 6 B :file :X:M@:KV OOOPPœQ :1n :9•™^ :L] :K Q :d9R :—:Kv[ B O „ :†:L`C bVy :>Y:L :f@?:dL :€94 E ¦C :9–X:Kq P µ :JXvE v ] :fx@:v B 6 B 6 B P•R it :Lei :99:X:9C4 [Si O j V :L y :M@ ! f94 j4E I donãt want to make it an issue.::d9jiS 9v [ :9 C 2V :K O is only for a few months. But it is a matter of principle, it is a matter of policy, it is a matter of future rules and future process to B }•V R P P P :o4 :Lƒ• É: issues :1:dKO C O TS :Lei ?:2:V history create :fx@:1v n :9•^ :L] :KO Q :Lš`: œ [ be followed. G BB6 6 U B 5 • PQ P Q P • R :d9X:Y9:X:fx@:d9:”XZCZSiVa]VOOvv X:2—:X:zv V 4 COjy ?:ç9:K§ [CQOOO :1 n :99‡:L ] :fx@:X:9 v ] • ^ :1:LO C ]:K :€ 4 4E :X:L ]i ] X:K S B B R p 6 E B :o}4 :KOSP3S :X:L]] :€94E ¦ :¥O j >z j q :”X9O ] 3 p :o:1:4 5 nThe other side also rightly objected B 6 6 }R 6 }R bc :2V : neutralize :XV :”X ] >Y:fx@:1v n:o : choice :†@:M9:LO C vCV :fx@:X:9v ] ™™R :@X:9S i uµ :o4 :L` a :?>@:Le i :9 ™ u µ B R 6 6 :1n :9:”XZav5 X:2—:ov ]V 4C }4 :X:”@:K V B OPQ :1 n :9 • ^ :L] :fx@:v but you were fair :Lš•7 Y:2:Vcancel :?>@:L• š7 Y 6 U U B }R t 6 ã R Š :do :sX:f9:oSi4CO :d9Y:JO C Œµ :”XO • V :L• :L V :>Y:L ] :fx@v U B U B U B :d9Z :”>—:X4C V :”X>Y:1 ] n :9 • ^ :L•Š :M@:L ] :KOPQ ::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E U B P P ‹ c ‹ P y in arithmetic :KO Q :1n :”XSi :9?:2ST V : explain :L •Š :M@:KO Q ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B d”XSi :–@>:L] 2 V2+2= 4 As a Chartered Accountant I will fail in my duty if I donãt just do the mathematical work for your assistance. B B U B 6 t6 V B c 6 6 PC :L] :”X\R @:?>@:sX:f9:sS i 4C :?g4 m3 : 9 LV : PML (Q) : 1n : 9™R : : 1O C : Ò@gmÁ @: @g Þ O 6 V PQ6 6 6 P Q :9jŒ„ :9 ™ ^ Y: clipping :s : T.V :X:fx@:KVv OO :d”X:92:r@gS i CV mÑ @:€\4R :K :d9O j V : objection raise BB G B 6 PPQQ• P •R B 6 6 P Q :1n :9•^ :L]]y :KOOOO :d9 ™v 5 X:Lv] :K :L :€94E ¦[jC :zO j y ?:ç9:d9§ O l :K :M9:Lv V :”@:†:¬>:M@:X:C Õ ]K :d”X S i 6 U B :fx@:Xv ] :KOPTS :LŒ[ É :x@:: formally 2@:˘KlOPTS :LÉŒ[ :x@:2 ß Y@:L y : Government benches :fx@:”9v 4[ :st 9 ™ 4 R B B B ‹ B :´gO mA :?>@:”XSi :KOPQ : Government benches :KOPQ :1n :9•^ :L] :”X\R @:˚Le i :9 j O7 Y:f>> :XV :;V :L ] B U B PQŠ P • R }4R î :2V : sign :L] :KOO :L • :M@:Le i ?:9::2:KvC V : sustain :XV :M@:zµ @>:´gO mA :?>@:Lei :9OOjl :9 C @X4 F :1 24E :‡ a
137 ‹ ‹ 6 B 6 :9C 9 D :f>>:@gO mA :X] :”XS i :2v7 : Government benches :KOOOPQ :1n :Ll :K2:Ò@g 7V mÁ @:fx@:dKv P TS :Lš ] Y U 6 U U 6 •q 6 6 ‹ he was :†:oC :3 :¬>:M@:d9Õ ™R :YX4Eq] X :Y?9 |O] ?:X:M9:´gv CO mA :d9 Z[ :L] 94 :X:S i cancel ?>@:9Z :L] 9 4 [ I thought he might have changed KB ŒOjŠ : on Government benches B BBBB U PQbc P Q Š rd ::9OjV :Ò‡W :X:fx@:LVv ] :KO :=>::9 •^ :L` a] :X 4 E\] :L :”XR @:?>@:9 ™ v 5 X:Lv ]• :K O :L :M@:before 3 of May B PQB P µ :You happily said and it is fine :˚9•^ :9OjV :L] :fx@:KvOO :´?9:L4 C V :”@:dK :JvE X:fx@v] v 6 6 U B B R t ‹ ‹ }R :X:L]a :Le i ?:2:1V »4 ] @?:L y :PML (Q):s9™4 R :1:´gO C O mA :€4 4E :d9 ™ u µ :L] :fx@:=>:9v Z :”Xß 2:fX:9v7 ] D :fx@:o v 4 @ 6 bc PT P3Sp P Q Saleem Khan :1:—:9nv[jv7 :1:L`O C a :€:dK4 4E O S :Le i ?:2:V support :KOO :=>:1n :9Ojl :x@:K : T.V:=> Sahib , himself is also a candidate. Please correct me if I am wrong, he was himself candidate until he announced that he is not B :K OPQ ! f94 j4E : a candidate, I did not bother him. I donãt believe in that. U UBB 6 t P bc B B c G B :sX:1:dKVO C O Q :àx@:M@:Lei :—OjŒä Y:L •VŠ :L :r9:M@:L`D a] :L :”X \i•ŒlŠ•4E :”X:”X SŽ :?>@:?X k q:9 D :”X X:17 :”@:X ] B BB U 6BBR 6 R :˘KOPPCT 9:X:˘K4[[Si OS 9:ov Í ‡:Xc 4 E] :fx@:‡v a vR :X:Lei :92:K CDV O P • :r9:2@:˘X:Le l ] i :92:r9:2 CD VßlY@:2 @:Le i :K O P • :r 9D :”9B „ x@ B ^ U :=>:dKOOOO7 2V :1C :JvF :?>@:K 77 2 V :gO m„ :?>@:K 2 V :´?>Y:fx@:dKv P C 94[ :XSi :Prime Minister or President 6 6 R I donãt believe it, I donãt fall in that category. I donãt :dLei :f94C :?>@:‡av :X ] believe in wasting time, nationãs time, my time or this Houseãs time. B B B PQ he is no longer candidate on :1n :9™uOC Y:L] :KO :?>@:9O j V :announce :L] :”X\R @:€4 4E : ‹ B :opposition recognize :2l @:XV :fx@:?>@:Levi :f>>:9D :fx@:2 v l @:1n :9 ™ v 5 Xv ] :L y :”@:LB ] :KOPQ :‡avR :T.V. 6 B 6 7 bc t R I am grateful to all 9 PML :X:K2] O V :consider :L`a :L V 2:sV 9g4C¹c :fx@:‡v av :X:Le]i :@X:9S i O j V B B B ŒjŠ ‹ bc :fx@:Kv O :9OC Y:f>>:La ` :L ] :”X\R @:?>@::(Q) brothers and sisters they are very kind B 6 B B ‹ PQ R 6 q :´2:L47 ] :KO :d9OOjl :9 j V : objection :X] :@XS i : office note put up :€4 4E :XV :ª?9:O C 19 :L• 9„ :L V B ] ‹‹6 ‹ }R PQ }R ^ :Ly :Lš Ó ‡::‰ judicious :´247 :˘”XSi :9jß 2v 7 :fX ] :9 D :fx@:ov 4 @:K O :d9OjV :accept :o4 :XV :M@:Ly :NY:L ƒ ™ BB ˙ ‹ B :1n :Lei :9™uµ :L ] :fx@:d9v ™ u µ :fX:L] ] :fx@ v åIn order to meet the ends of justice, fair play and equity, it is necessary that Senator Hamayun Khan Mandokhail and Senator Hafiz Rashid as well as Senators from PML (Q) who have signed nomination
138 papers, may be called for explanation, explaining their position before a final decision is taken in accordance with rules. Both the nominees also be invited to attend the meetingç. B B ‹ B 6 ‹ B R 19 :1O C :it is hand written. 9™uµ :fX:2:] v719 @gO mCv :L ] :fx@:‡v avR ::d9™R :fX] :2 v718 :g4 m3 :@gO mCv :9D :fx@:1v O C B uµ U U d:La :L ] :€94 E ¦ :KB OPQ gmjO vE :´g:>Y:O mCv the same day :KOPTS :LV :o•q : Second para, para 19, åsince this would entail expenditureç and I appreciate that, åsince this would entail expenditure I direct that such a meeting be called during initial days of the next session of the Senate which is likely to commence from 28 th of May, 2011ç. 6U 6 6 B 6 }R •l B P 6 R } R R 6 R }R u v[ V ‹ R do :o X:KSSiO C :2:X:¥zV i O C 4j7 :‡av :o :ª?9: O C28 :Lƒ• É:do :o :X:Siannouncement :s :€ 4F4 6 U }R R t 6 P U E B do : :Lƒ• É:˘sX:¥zSi OC4j7 :KO Q :z · 4] ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B U U 6 B 6 6 rd 6 th ‹ ‹ ] Õ ]t S i 3 t Si C7 P Q ] }R28 ƒ•R H bc mj POjy :L :fx@:¬v >:M@:X ::s X : :˘sX:¥zO 4j :KO :z · 4 :o :6 :L É::?@Y:ˆ9’ @:z 3 :g O B B •ƒk] BB‘ q p ‹ Sir, as of that day what was :d9OjV :…O :K :>:K:X:M@:LV] :€4 y :…:?>@:9S ™ uµ :fX:1 ] O C B B U G ‹ P P B œ]B :fX:L] V :fx@:Lv ] :KOOQ :˘K C 9:LÉ4[ ƒ [ :2:v7Annexure 31 :fx@::f@:˘Lev 4 i :1O C :KO ?Xv] :the position? ‹ 6 I have taken you through para 19. Rest is your 9ä2:†:v7 C19 @gO mCv :1ÐE :9ä Yx@:9 D :Annexure 31 :fx@:f@:v 4 speaking order. We will come to that in a minute. ‹UB ‹ y ‹ y P :dLei :attested copy :1:˘LeOOCi :9:¬22DO7 7 ŒOj :€O•POj :L V :fx@:1:dKv C O C 9:LÉ4 [ ƒ [ :2 v 7 Mr. Chairman: Let me get hold on that. UUB B B PTt P Q P ™ ^ B t }R ‹ c ‹ P y like :KOOOS :s9:”9›jŠO vP OjvE :L] :K :dK ?:2:9:z9:sX:oV ›D Š { V 4 :XV :M@::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj a clerk. U B B U B :d9:LZ] 9:¥:L4 [Q y :s9t „ x@::Lš •Š :M@:˘Le i :KOP Q :2E x@:31 :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B ‹ c ‹ y This is the same that you have :df94 j4E :o:45 :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj th :K OPQ:taken a copy, 19 May 2011. This is virtually the list of voters. 6 B B ‹ B B PQ 7 tbc V6 ‹ 7 y ‹ y :KOO :2v7 :M@:X] :K Y: documents :1:1:LOOC CV 2:s9g:L`V4C ¹c a :1:s:€@X?Y:X:¬22 n yE V O 7 ŒOj :€O • POj :L ]
139 6 B B 6 B P •PC B G V }R So, there is no standard :d9C 2V :1:Crequest :KO Q :2@:ol 4 :1:1:z9CO C OC „ :ds :request :o4 :1O C :L ] format. At least the candidates were not provided automatically. This B Ê bc V P :o:LQ a ` :1::?>@:sO C : request :L] :KO Q :N9g[ ¹4R : should have been available on record. ‹ “ The summary of this list, åTreasury Benches :dKOPä 2:fx@:…9v7 v D :—•vR :9 D :M@?>@ U ‹ ‹ c :˘L•l :L Š @Y:f>>:;OP4C XvE :L a b ` :1n : 74, Opposition Benches 26.ç One could say 6 B B PT auµ R 6 V B :J:X:KŒµ ]O S :L• :g4 m3 :”X:9?:2:f9:sS i STV 4 C : as per paras till para 19 :X:€V4E 9¦ :~?zO j E :9–X C q U 6 V ‹‹B U R PT l ‹ Pµ sir this is para 15. 14 :”X:9?:2:f9:sSi STV 4 C :z>@?:LC ƒ• É:dKO S :L • :L Š @Y:f>>: 14 :˘K O members, so this makes 38. Mr. Chairman: Please come back. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, just 14 members were shown in para 15 6 U }R VB c t Ê R :d :d Lš•Š :L V :€94E ¦ :~?zO j E :o :s :”@g4 m3 :=YXvE :=>:s x@:o•v :M9vC :LV :fx@:v written request ::X 4E Mr. Chairman: We go back to Annexure 57. B B c 5 ‹ c ‹ P y :Lš•Š :L V :€4E 9¦ :~?zO j E :L V :”@g 4 m3 14 :˘2v7 ::Para 15 ::do4 :”9ST ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 B •y P :çF Y:LV :24 :2v7 :M@:Lei :M9vC :LV :fx@:v application :~?93Sp :X 4E :?>@:dK O TS :M9:Lv C V :fx@:v signatures ‹ 6 B R PT df94 j4E :9O j l :X:†Si O ja :that makes total 38. :X] :K O S ‹ R U E B d:†O ja :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B ‹ P ‹ c ‹ P y :LV :€œŠ :M@: recognized :M9vC :LV :fx@:v 26 :Ly :K:O Q 38 :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 R dLa ::L y :f94 kE Mr. Chairman: 24+14. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Equals 38. U c U B dL•l :XSi :g4 m3 ::38 :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: This official list of 19 th May, 2011, which is called virtually list of voters or list of people who have the right to ascertain and propose.
140 Mr. Chairman: 26. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: 26 members. Here is the difference of 12 that is 38 minus 26. 6 B bc B to move forward?:Lei :f?94[ @:L a ` ! –@>:f94 j4E U B do45 :˘o 45 :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E 6 6 B ‹ B R R t c R P v[ ‹ c ‹ P y :@?93Sp :dLa :L V ( )ˆ :¥@:…@:s::X:gOCO v ]4 m3 :X:dLe ] i :†O ja :KO ¶ : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj U B B B ‹ 6 They fall wrongly in the :dL] 9:94[jy :2:—:X:”@:1V4C V n :9O j| Š :2:Y?9 V O] ?:L ] :fx@:Xv 4 E :9 ™ R :objection category of Treasury members, they are no longer Treasury 6 6 6 PQ 7 Q G PQ R I am :d”XSi :9ST ?:2V :f94 C :hypothetical :KOO :˘K 2V :¥9„ :09 :KO :26 :2l @:X] :˘La :=>::members. 09 reconciling the difference for you arithmetically. 26 plus 9 equal to ‹ R d9Ojl :X:†Si O ja :35 B B U E B d”9C :9O j l :XSi :Difference :KOPQ g mOjv :f94 j4E B P }R ‹ c ‹ P y :”X9O]3Sp :†@:d9O C Z :”>Y:LV :2V :@?X:v ] difference :XV :fx@:Kv O Q :o4 @::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B 6 ‹ ‹ R R E B :26 :dKOOOPµ :JŒµ :=>:>Y:X] :˘Lei :@2v7 :f>>:2:1 v 7 å[4 :>Y:::o}4 :9D :”@:˘KB PS T :K P Q :74 :2ß Y@:o}4 :=>::˘Lei 9D :€4E 9 ¦ :¥Oj >z j q U B B U 6 5 R R E B :”XO] 93Sp :dL•l XS i :35 :X:L]] X:éS i Ž4 :L V ( )ˆ :¥OC @:…O @:svt :09 :?>@:KOOSOPT•S :K P :€4E 9¦ :¥O j >z j q :”X9O] 3 p :K P Q B R R E B dKOOPST :o}4 :K P Q :14 :?>@:KOOPST :o}4 :K P Q :24 :€4E 9¦ :¥Oj >z j q B U B :dKOOPTS :K P Q :”X] >Y::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B B uµ 6 ‹ c ‹ y :df94 j4E :”9 C :KOOP™ :dK P µ :KB l :>Y:XV :”@:XB ] ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj Mr. Chairman: Humayun is not in 26. B U 6 uC B ‹ c ‹ y as L•l X::Si basic number :X] : 26 :K OP™ O !Y –@>:f94 j4E : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj per this list plus objections. Mr. Chairman: Can you please just make a sort of synopsis. B B }R B P P R ‹ c ‹ P y d9Z :”>Y:´Y:o4 :2V :9 j 47 :XV :fx@:1v O C :KOOQ :˘K • :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj
141 Mr. Chairman: Humayun is not in 26. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: He is not in 26. He is shown as Treasury Member B }R‹ B } R PQ PT ‹ B dLei :o4 :½‡‰ :~gO mA :˘Le i :f>>:9D :”@:o 4 :KO :24 :dKOS :f>>:>Y:LV :”@:YX 4E >9:L4C V :L ] XS i :2ß Y@:2 Ô Q ‹ R U E B dLei :†O ja :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B R ‹ c ‹ y :dKOPTS :o}4 :½‡‰ :~g® >Y:=>::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj ‹ R B U E B dLei :†O ja :d?z@:LC V :24 :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B PB l 5 ‹ c ‹ P y dKO µ :K :”9•OR :fx@:Lšv •Š :M@:˘:o4 :”9S T :?@Y:ˆ 9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B U B dKOPTS :2:1v7 å[4 :”X>Y:=>:¸9] 4 ] »q :LV :Annexure 57 :KB OPQ g mOjvE:f94 j4E B B P ‹ c ‹ P y :dKO ST :1å[4 :”X] >Y:=>:”9ST ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B U B ddddd:¸94] »q :LV :31 :1¿¶kPQ :?>@::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: He is only in Treasury members. U 6 •l V :do :x@:M9vC :LV :fx@:v list :s :26 voters ::X ] Senator Muhammad Azam Khan Swati: Sir, in a lighter note that bury the devil in the numbers. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: That is the easiest thing to do. Nobody can deny it. Mr. Chairman: Let us move further. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: That is why I put it at the last. U U ‹ P‹ P P R t R :˘:L•l X Si35 ˘KOOOµ :N@Y:Lš•Š :M@:K TS :K Q left :=>:no question ( )ˆ :¥OC @:…O @:sv :9:˘L•l X:†Si O ja :26 B B :?>@:>Y: but 1+1:KOSOPµ :J:X:€Œµ V4 E 9¦ :”X9O ] 3 p :>Y:K P Q : 24 ?>@: 14 :Lei :KOSPQ :”X>Y:1]¿C Xv E :9:€D4 E 9 ¦ :”X9O ] 3 p
142 G • He is also included in Treasury but he voted in 14 :d€4E 9¦ :zO j y ?:ç9:†@§ [ O C U 6 dL•l XSi :´?Xv ] :L V :fx@:v 38 :X] :list U U B dL•l X:´?X:Siv ] 38 :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B 6 ‹ c ‹ y :Ly :”9B jœ vE Xƒ4C :KOPTS :: heavy weight :˘>Y:LV :€94 E ¦ :”X9O] 3 Sp ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj iS B ‹ Sorry.:dKOPOj 9v[ :L•7 š Y:f>>:>Y:XV :”@B U B BB B ‹ B B B R R U B :dKOPTS :L] 9j47 :f >>:>Y:L•7 É @:YXE :L ] :”X \ R @:KOOP• :˘K P • ::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B ŒjŠ ‹ c ‹ P y :d9OC Y:2V :†O C @:later on :KO ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B B R B U E B d9OC Y:2V :†O C @:L] :”X\R @:later on :‡av ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B B ‹ c ‹ P y d:9OC —4C :XV :”@:L] :fx@::v :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj BBB 6 B PQ B U E B d9Y:2OOCV :†@:LO C ] :”X\R @:X:9—:X:”@:L ] C 4C V ] :KO :€4 4E :KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 G B B B R • PQ P [ ‹ c ‹ P y :˘La :X:€94E 4E ¦ :zO j y ?:ç9:9§ [O j V :Ò‡:LW ] :K:Lš`: O œ =>—{ :LV :M@: :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj not Abdur Rashid Sahib , was in Treasury as shown in Government/Treasury members included him in 74, he also signed, 6 6 :KOPQ :;4E :: 38 which equal :X:L] l :KOPµ : 26+9+2+1:fx@:2v l @:X] : he signed only once. that was the basis for you to :?>@: claim of 14 :LV :”@B :?>@: claim of 24 :´g O mA 6 B }R u v[ th :M9:LvC V :”@:˘o :o :X:Si move forward. On 19 of May, vacancy occur [ ]∗ 6 :M9vC :LV :fx@:?>@:v which was XXXXX later and replaced :9™R :9 |vE :x@: resignation Š :@?93Sp :1n : rightly you stopped at that point :KB ŒOj :K2:1O 7 V ¶ÐO•§ :1:@X: n Si case put up B B 6 l B 6 l 6 n :9:1 ™R:objection @ ?93SOp :dKPj :1:C09 :1n :9™R :objection :9D :”@:dKB OSPj :´?9 3 p :09 :1n :9™R :objection B 6 6 B p G • P‹‹R ^ P E B :1:9n•^ :L] :…:˘€9S 4jE ¦[ :zO y ?:ç9:dK§ OSOSTSS :L Š Y–:´?9 3p :L a•Š :L\ :1:˘KO C T :L Y–:´?9 3¦ p :€9 4jE :¥O j >z q ‹ B 6 ‹ 6 R § B yB 6 P P B B there is :†C :”9•OR :˘Lei :†O j a :d 9:”>2:1ZV¶ÐO• :2:K V :X:”XV •OPC :KOOQ :1 n :9 •^ :L] :fx@:X:Kv ] C 9:r9:9:”@ DCD no problem. Now we move to office note, para 21 on next page.
∗ [ XXXXX Word expunged by the orders of Mr. Chairman ]
143 Mr. Chairman: Page 32. B B B ‹ B P•R R y ‹ c ‹ P y :Lei :KO :g4 m3 :˘9Y:2:OC Vobviously mark :L] :€94 E ¦ :~227 ŒOj ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj ‹ U 6 y B 6 PC PQ V U d€4 E 9¦ :~27 2 ŒOj ::9:9CZ[ :L] 94 :X:@gSSi]iO mCv :1:X:”X:9O C jO7 Y:J Œµ :; O 4 :”9 •OR :KO :w‡‰ :s :”>X9 4 ] 4 C B P ‹ U E B ˚KO TS :Lei ?:¾2v7 :9k] XV :fx@:1v O C :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B ‹ c ‹ P y :dLei :written order :9D :fx@:1v O C :f94 j 4E ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj U B d9D :Annex :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B P H P R ‹ c ‹ P y :9?:—ST v[ :XV :fx@:Kv O Q :2:ov7 @:˘Lei :: same Annex 57 :1O C :˘KO • : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj d”X Si ‹ R U E B :dLei :†O ja ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B U ‹ c ‹ P y Next is para 21. :dL•l XSi :L V :fx@:v 18 and 19 :@gO mCv :1O C ::?@Y:ˆ9 ’H@:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 6 ‹ :X:K] OPTS :L] 2:V signature :€:€944E 4 E ¦ :~227 ŒOjy : Sir, do not get confused, para 20 ::that is a para, as you know in government process and functioning. B B B 6 P¶v[ •a4R O•7 Sir, :d2v7 : 21 :@gO mCv :˘KO :Ll x@: f@::dz4 ·4] :LV :fx@:˘9Y:ª v OC 4 O :LÉ b ::L V :2 Vsignature :L] :”X\R @:X ] allow me to say if you had the vacancy, you had the list of voters or those who were recognizable and were part of ascertainment process but, there were objections. If the whole process was limited around those parameters, I think there would have been no :?>@: problem. That is where the trouble starts, sir, frankly speaking. 6 6 }R 6 G PQ}R P T ƒ p :X] :9OOjl :o4 :9 j V :=>: I think :1n :9:”>2:¬9:KZV47 COO :o 4 :2:M@:?>@:Kv 7 S :L•[ É:L l x@:…:˘:LeS i :9O j Vtrouble B B P•R ¼H P Q Let us move on, sir, on para 21. :d9OOOjl :9 j V :KOO :2:JV 4F :wX:K:N9v ˜ j E :´g O mA There are two contenders for the position of Leader of the
:1O C :f@:4 Opposition i.e. Molana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri Sahib and myself. :?>@:KOPQ :: para 21 KOPTS : contenders :>Y:1n :KOPST :Lei ?:1 • ^ :fx@:dLev i : speaking order :9D :fx@v Molana Haidery sahib initially had the support :KOOPTS :Lei ?:1•^ :fx@:Kv P Q : para 22
144 B by then you had :1¿C XO•V : of 13 Senators, you are not even counting 14. ‹ R :†O ja : called Humayun and you crossed his vote, without I knowing. B Sahib this :˘9OjŠ :2V :count :2ß Y@:L] :fx@:Xv V :but including Hafiz Rashid Ahmed :˘Lei is the first wrong what we have to now focus on, sir. With voters • th :fx@:v hypothetically 10+2+1XV :€4 E 9¦ :ç9§ [ :?>@:list of 19 of May, Annexure 31 B B l which was our objection, it was virtually overruled 9OjŠ :K:2:”9v7 • O R :L ] through this para 22. 6 U R • B U E B :dL a :L] x@:M9:´gvCO mA :€4 E 9 ¦ :ç9:§ [ :KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B 6 B B P•R ‹ c ‹ P y :dLei :f94C :?>@:9 C x@:f94 j 4E :KO ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B G B Í B B B U B dLei :~Y:2:ªV @>:KB œO] ?X:ov]•v7 @:L ] :”X \ R @::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B U 6 U B R bc RR b c ‹ c ‹ y :1:@X:Kn SSiOP• :r9•“ @:sX:L`t Vaaƒ :˘L :LQ :o}4 :L` al :˘L :”X:L i ] x@:=>: :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj 6 B B B B 6 U 7 •ƒOjvE 6 6P•R t bc 6 î B :X:L] l :K2:ªO V 4 :€:fx@:14 4E v n :9™R :9 • ^ :L] :”X\R @:1n :9™R :@X:KS i]O :X:r9 •“ @:sX:L` V a :˘9 ™j R :9O l :‡a :L V :”@:1 2 4E B B B U PR 7 B I am saying 9•^ :KOO• :KY:1•^ :2:”x@‡:=>:˘Le v7 Õ i :9 • ^ :L ] :”X\R @:1:d9::LO C Z[ ] 9::X:4 S i vote cancel :@g O mA BB 6 :LV :”X9:?>@:9:”XBB]±Z ƒv[ :¸94] »q :L V :”X9:˘¸9 ] ±» 4] q :L V :rules :X:K] OPQ :all, you can expunge it. 6 :€4 E 9¦ :s@Xt ˜ : the change of electoral college can not take place, ˘¸4] 9 »q 6 R 6 th luckily there is no difference between the :La :Le i ?:2::f9:2:V4C v 7 19 May th ‹ P they are all dated 6 of :”X:9?:¾2:KSiSTv7 OQ :X 4 E :´gO mCv :´?9 „ :z·4] :LV :M@:two dates. June. This is your speaking order. This all happened on 6th of B B åinitially had :~?zOjE :9C –X qãã :1n :99‡:LOC Q  ] :fx@:v June, I take you to the para 22 B uµ B åwho through :La :r9:LC V :€4 y :L ] :fx@:‡v avR :?>@: the support of 13 Senators written communication, have also supported the nomination of Molana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri as Leader of the Opposition in the B later on Senator Engr. Rashid Ahmed Khan, :1n :9™uµ :L] :fx@:v Senateç. Senator Abbas Khan Afridi, Senator Idrees Khan, Senator Haji Khan Afridi, independent members from FATA and two other independent
145 members from Balochistan namely Senator Akbar Magsi and Senator Wali Muhammad Badini through written communication have also supported the nomination of Molana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri as B B ] 02 :?>@:from FATA :?9::ov[ •©O :JvE :L] :fx@:v Leader of the Opposition. So virtually 6 Q G 6 R Let me now :d9OjŠ:2:¥9V „ ::€F :LV :para 22 :XV :from Balochistan independent ‹ P :´2:1:dK47 O C O µ :LŠ : Annexures :´gO mA :fx@:dLv y :L Š @XE :M@: refer you to Annexures Annexure 32, Annexure 33, Annexure 34, KOPTS : interesting Annexures 07 : 1O C : Annexure 35, Annexure 36, Annexure 37 And Annexure 38, B 04 from FATA and 02 :1n :9 ™uµ:X4E :K OPQ :: para 22 :L] :fx@:dLv ƒ Q :XV :fx@: v Annexures from Balochistan, total comes to 6 and Hafiz Rashid sahib again 6 B B l R 07 :X:d9] OjŠ :2V :13 :XV :12 :˘9OjŠ :K:Lƒ• É:L ] :fx@:v from FATA and Government benches B B PQ PQ 6 B E :KO :f@:d94 OjŠ :2V : recognize :KO : para 22, speaking order :L] :fx@:X:ÎXv V ‚ E :L V :f@g ¨ U 6 • B U B :ç9:s9§ [t ™ 4 R :´gO mA :Annexure 32 ! –@>:f94 j4E :d9 Z :”>–Y:½‡‰ :sV :annexures ”@:14[ X] :sV :fx@v th G dated 25 May 2011, Annexure 33, Senator Engr. Malik Rashid :zOjy ? ‹ R dLei :†O ja :Ahmed Khan, undated. Annexure 34, Senator Muhammad Idrees Khan Safi sahib, undated, same typewriter, same language. Sir, these are micro issues, we will discuss later. U t ‹ V U E B dLei :s XSi ::~2v7 :date :s :receipt :1O C ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B 6 ‹ c ‹ y You are picking up my point. :d”XSi :9C x@:2v7 :M@:KOPQ ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj You are a judge, you are talking now, sir. Let me first complete p Next undated Annexure 35, letter :dLei :1O C :oS :issue :@?9„ :1O C:these annexures. from Senator Abbas Khan Afridi, Annexure 36, Senator Haji Khan Afridi, undated. Annexure 37, Senator Wali Muhammad Badini sahib dated 28 th of May 2011 and the last one dated 27 th of May 2011, B 6 B P ‹ P y :f9„ :1O C ! –@>:f94 j4E :dKOTS :gmjO Oj :´?9 3 Sp :X: 4E Nawabzada Muhammad Akbar Magsi
146 th :XV : ”@:B para 22, speaking order dated 6 of June 9D : fx@:v dKOPTS : letters :Again I wish you had seen the record. 4 undated, :dLei :9?:2ST V :recognize U U U •q •q •q five brothers from FATA and two :9:oD :28 :†O C @:˘9D :o :27 :†O C @:˘9D :o 25 :†O C @ p :fx@:?>@:Kv OPTS :independent :…S :1n :from Balochistan gave you in writing request B B 6 ‹ :objections :>Y:2:”9v7• R :´gO mA :dLš•Š :L V :€4E 9 ¦C :~?z jE :?XשŠ @z j ‘ :9–X:K2:?X qOS7 V •V ] :X:f>>:´?9 3 p O O 4 B 6 R I have given my reasons why their :X:K] OPTS : independents :=>:2l @: :g4 m3 :dK OPTS votes can not be counted. A lot of discussion has taken place this morning that they are unattached, detached, crossed, whatever you call they have the privilege of not being subjected to Article 63(A) defection as it exists today and the cost they pay that they are not 6 bc B :dLei :èO • ƒ|] :L` a :2:”9v 7 •O R ! f94 j4E :part of Opposition members. On top of that U B 66 6 B •q B©P„6 ü ©P„ 6 G © P „ H •y } R PQ P [ :LV :o 19 :z9:9:L{DD™ü @:˘9R :¡o @:1:Len i :9O jCV :¬9:X:L47V üV @:L :€9 4 E ¦’ :Y94 :…O >:o 4 @:L ]œ :K:Lš`O B U U B B B P•R ‹ t B }R p B C6 P Q ‹ :Lei :KO :~2@Y:sX7 V :2 v7:”X‚E :”@:1n :Le i :9• ^ :o4 @:o:YXS E :L ] :fx@v ! f94 jjj4E :d9OO l :9 V :¥z O 4j7 :KO :Y?9 | O] ?:z · 4] B 6 B p 6 B G R PQ V :>Y:1:LO C] :…S :1 n :somebody might claim :1:9n ™R :9O jl X:”9Si k O ] 2:Lv7ƒ• É:X:K:ds:L ] O ] 2: V receive 6 B U U U \^ PQ t• 7 p PT 7 R •q :L• :K:s9O 4 4’v :…:˘:2:”9S v7 • O R :1:n Thanks to Almighty Allah :dKO S :L] X:LšSi • Y:L ƒy• É:L :o 6 b¼H :opSS :†C @:˘KOPTS :o p :† C @:dK OPST:opS :†C @:2v7 :€4 y :=>:small initials, :KOPTS :L•a ` ä oënã:fx@:˘v çoënçKOPTS OO O U th R‹ The honourable Secretary Senate of :KOPTS :LV :;:?>@:V 6 of June : ˘… 9 C Pakistan who is the Principal Accounting Officer also. Am I right Raja sahib, that you are the Principal Accounting Officer? Sir, this is maneuvering. If you have seen the record as a judge, you had thrown these papers out of window saying that gentleman, you have passed the time and you can not change your mind. Vacancy was before 2nd of May and Swati Sahib might have argued for 19 th of May, I do not mind adopting hypothetically only for this purpose, not V B E B P :s : Leader of the Opposition :”Y:;:14 n :Lše•i 9:9X:Lv[ C Si ‰ :1:KO C O Q : for future. Future 6 his Leader of Opposition seat will be ”Y:B M@: €q XŒ[ : sl : ´2V : party join deemed to vacate and he should have the grace to put up his
147 resignation and not being mindful of continuing to use the perks of G B PC P‹ P 6 Û B Œ Š :;O v :X:fx@:LVv] :KOQ :2:Y?9v7 |O] ?:L V :fx@:X v 4 E :K O TS :f9 ’ ü 07 :=>:1:KO C Oj : this august House ‹ U If you had seen the record and I dLei :KOPQ :M@:24E :sV :problem :sV :fx@::dKv OPTS :L •V keep on repeating, I wish you should have called the record at the B B th I believe you, I do not mistrust :˘Lei :9•^ :1¿C XvE :L ] :fx@:v time of 6 of June. :fx@:v you, I should not, you are honourable Chairman of the Senate. 6 ¼H‹PB ŒŠ P G H 6 B V :M@:1n :”X9Sija4b :KOOQ :KOj :”X:9 Si ™O•P4C :2:M@:Kv7 Q :¥:z9 D OC „Ú :˘Lei :r9q :1:˘LeOOC i :o 2:1:=> V C — { :L V :f@Y:s B PT }R ^ V H 2v7 :M@::?>@:KO S :o4 :”9OC ?@Y:1A Y:JvF :s :o 2V please do not mind me saying, Mr. Chairman, I wish you should not have over relied on Secretariat, sir. U E B with regard to Lei : point line of argument ::1O C ::9D :fx@:v :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E these independents, including FATA independents B B 6 }R P ^ ‹ c ‹ P y independents are :Ly :”9jœV 9:”X:ov C Si 4 :L y :KO • : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj independents. B 6 y U B :d:oãH :X] :KOPj ::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B u[ B ‹ c ‹ y d… :f94 j4E ::o45 :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj Mr. Chairman: Independents from the province as well as independents from FATA. their votes cannot be counted becauseÉ 1n :Lei :1: C objection :†C @:9D :fx@v O B O ‹ c ‹ P y they do not fall in the :1n :Lei :1:O C objection :—•vR :@gO mA ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj category of Opposition members. Mr. Chairman: Let me finish. As they are independents, their votes cannot be counted. This is your first objection and your second objection is that letters dated 6 th June, 2011, time has passed.
148 6 B B B th ‹ c ‹ y :2:Ò‡V W :KOOPQ :X:o] ãOR ::K P TS : 4 undated :˘Lei :KOP•R : 6 June :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj 6 B U B B P7TtB ãR } R P Q6 P T l t B dKOOOOSS :sx@:KgO mvÑ :oO :o4 :K :f@X4 EV :X :f@?:K :L• X:Y9:s9?:f9SS iOCC4 4 j4E :d”X:9? i S T B 6 B P th 6 R B P ‹ B U E B :dKO TS :LV :6 June :f9„ :˘JvE :˘ªv 9v C :˘:?9v [ :˘KO C :˘>Y:˘:†O C @:˘€ •q:†O C @::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E U dLei :9D :28 :†C @:˘Lei :9D :25 :†C @:˘Lei :9D :o•q :27 :†C @ O O B O 6 6 P P ‹ c ‹ P y d d dddd:f9„ :LV :f9 „ :?>@:KO TS :07 :1O C dKO TS :04 undated :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 PQ V B P U E B d”XSi :9?:2STV :f94 C :KO :s :Receipt :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: That is relevant. B U p ‹ P I mean, one could back date the :˘”XSi :9?:2ST V :register :1O C :oS :€•7 @Xv] :K O Q 6 P R B I am lucky, sir, if these letters were of :1n :”X:9?:1SiSOT •^ :X:K ] O Q :˘Lƒ• É:1 j OP• c :†@:C letter dated 30 th of April or 1st of May, I would have a hard case to battle here. 6 6 B ‹ U B dLei :date :2v7 :letters :X:L]V :>Y::dKOPµ :X:K ] B y :@?Y:€4 E 9¦ :?@Y::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B 6 ‹ c ‹ y df94 j4E :Lei :2v7 :KB OPC :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj B 6 6 PT¢ÔQ P T • 7 PP TCB B P U E B dKOOOOSSS :€4E 9¦ :o :†@:˘:KOOC :€ 4 E 9 ¦ :oO Y9:X:†@:˘K4 C ] C :K :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E B P G • ‹ c ‹ P y dKO TS :€4E 9¦ :zO j y ?:ç9§ [ :†@:?>@:O C :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj U B •q }R R 6 V • U E B :dLei :o :25 :o4 :ª?9:sO C :€4 E 9 ¦ :ç9:§ [ :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E U U B •q V V t ‹ c ‹ P y 4 are :?>@:Lei :o : 28 :s :†O C @:?>@:Lei : 27 :s :s9™4 R ::†@:O C :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj undated.
th U B 6 June.:Lei :receipt :sV :”B @:?>@:4 are undated :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B ‹ c ‹ y this is my core point.:˘f94 j4E :o45 ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj th U B line of :9D : fx@:v f@:4 : 6 June. :Lei : : receipt :sV : 4 ::o45 : :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B 6 6 U P R B }R t u v[ R B :2V :KO • ::mind change :9jv7 @:1:X:oO C ] :sX::oSS i ::X:L i ƒ• É::vacancy ::1¿C XO•V ::1 n :Lei :1::O C argument 6 from alliance to the Treasury to the Opposition benches.:L •Œ„
149 Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Their position was frozen, sir. Mr. Chairman: This is your line of argument. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Absolutely. Mr. Chairman: O.K. I wanted to make it clear. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, position had frozen according to my interpretation on the eve of 2 nd of May, 2011, according to my brother Azam Swati, on 19 th of May when the Senate Secretariat issued the Electoral List of the authorized Opposition Membersã List. B B U B B B B U p R B bc it :1¿C XO•V :Lei :9jauOC Y:@?Y:X:M@:Lš V •V]i Š :L :=zj7 x@:L :…:dLeS :KOP• :: problem :=Y9?:sC t XV :KOPQ :M@:La ` B U O P R t}R B Œ Š but my :Lei :9?:X:KST Si O • :: impact :s X:oV 4 @:KOj :: can create problems for future B B they all are received not through :1n :9Y:1OC •^ ::YX:LE ] :fx@:1v n :9 k OP[4 ::: core point proper process. B • 6 U E B :dLei :9?:x@:‡ST ‚] :X] :=>::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 U B B t ‹ B P R ‹ c ‹ P y dLei :s XSi :~27 @Y:†O C @:˘f94 j4E :KO • :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B 6 U ‹ U B dKOP•R :opS :Lei :X] :~27 @Y::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E ‹ 6 B B uµ ‹ • V Pp ] P R } R ^ ‹ c ‹ P y :?>@:”X:LSia :2:JV •PO 4C :L aœiœ @:Lš`:Le[ :o::LšS @:X:1::dLe ] O C i :KO • :o4 :Jv F ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B G PQ R 6 H B 6 H :dKO :ª?9:oO Cj @:9O l :x@:çE :9 D :€‘ 94 ’ :~?zXST vE Mr. Chairman: O.K. next point. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, may I draw your kind attention? Mr. Chairman: Yes. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, this all is scheming.
150 G B Pµ B B 6 H undated, that is also received on !f94 j4E :KO 9 |] :çE :9:€ D‘ 94 ’ :~?zXST vE :fx@v 6 ‹ ‹ R B ‹ p th :@?XaR :1n ::you said :˘KOPTS :Lei ?:2V ::discuss :€4F4 :KOP Q :ázC ¶4C :…:: S 6 June, same time. p and just we had a bombshell in the shape of :KOPST :Lei ?:2:gV4m¦ :…:d>2:gS V 4 m¦ :9 „ B 66 6 6 6 6 }R 6 P 7B P Sp ::d92:Ò‡C V W :X:fx@:oVv 4 :¬>:M@:K Õ OOOQ :X:Kg ]vO mÑ :1:˘LšO C•Pµ :X:J ]]]v E X:˘Lšv • P µ :X:—:K 4C 3 :fv x@::a notification. We had narrowed our process of operation on 19 th May. Electoral
:9OjV :9 D :: College was there, vacancy was there, only issue was that 09 B G • V B If the future :d9X:9ZjDSSiOOV :9:€4E 9 ¦ :zO j y ?:ç9:?>@:9X:9§ [ZjD i V :9:M@:˘Lš• ::sign :>Y:L] :´zj47 :†O C @:˘9Z X Si process was limited to those issues only, there would have been no problem but 07 new voters were entertained, date had expired, letters were not even dated before 2nd May, honourable Principal Accounting Officer and the Secretary, Senate of Pakistan acknowledges and received those without proper and due process
B th :1O C :@z¡• “ : of diary on 6 of June. I am grateful at least he has done it. G B P PC P P B These are all 07 letters. :dKO TS :Lš] Y:2V :; O v :XV :fx@:Lv] :KOQ :X 4 E :K O TS :M9:LvC V :fx@:ç v E :´?9 „ This is the core issue. U B they could not :z·4] :LV :”X:B 4E :1n :Lei argument :9D :fx@:v :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E change their position. U B B 6 V •q B P•R B ‹ c ‹ P y d”XSi :9?:2STV :f9:s4 C :o : :˘f94 j4E :KO :”X 4E : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B R nd U B government :L ] ( XO•V):¥OC @:…O @:svt :” B Y:;4E :It is 2 May :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E dsV :join B U ‹ c ‹ y :do•l :XSi : vacancy occur :w‡‰ :M@::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj ‹ U 6 R •l P ^ U E B dLei :†O ja :do :X:Si vacancy occur :1n :KO TS :L•\ :fx@v :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E U B B t ‹ c ‹ P y I have respect and :˘ Lei : :1O C :N9OjE : 9:s9D ™ 4 R :´gO mA : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj :regard for him, he believes that 19 th May should be cut off date. B R 6 V‹ V B dLei :ª?9:sO C ::€œŠ :s :Electoral College :1O C ! f94 j4E
151 B B 6 • B V6 V t B B •‘ c ‹ P y :dLei :s :f9:s4C : Electoral College :L] :”X\R @::s@X˜ :”9[ :… @:z3b :g mjO Oj th within the course and scope of :X4E : The cut off date is 19 of May Secretariat function, I have not prepared it. And I still donãt know who prepared or where it was prepared. I even donãt have any ”@B document whatsoever. The document that was provided to me 6 B ‹ R P ‹ :@?X a :KOQ :Ly @:˘Le i :9•^ :L ] :€94 E ¦ :?@Y:X: 4E I will argue and :d Lei date :~?9 „:1O C :2 v7>@L V U 6vR 6av5 6 ‹ :X:Le]Vi :X:;OOOPv’ :˚Le ii :”XOO •]VV :X:Le :X:; P4 j :˚Le ii :”X •]V V :X:Le :X:; P C 9™R @:2@:1l n :9 Z ”>2 Vexplain ddd:Ly :Lš Ó ] ‡‰ :;:1V nand I have a complete proof of that :˚Lei :”X O•V B 6 B ‹ ‹ }R P B P U vE B :1O C :9D :”@:d”XSi :9?:2S T V :fX ] : arguments :LV :€4 E 9¦ :?@Y:o4 @:X:K] O Q : KO Q g mOj :f94 j4E nd B there could not have been any change.z·4] :LV : 2 May :1n :Lei :9 j\^ G B B œ]B B ‹ c ‹ P y You were the Judge, :1n :Lei :1:KO C O ?X:~gv] O mA ! f94 j4E ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj you had to see record as per law and rule. B ‹ P U E B I want to note the correct d”XSi :9?:2ST V :fX ] :K O Q :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E version. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: The Electoral College or the recognizable Opposition members, they were frozen on the eve of 2 nd of May 2011. ‹ R Mr. Chairman: This is your line of arguments. dLei :† O ja B B P P ‹ c ‹ P y ~Y:: reasons :L] :KOOQ :?>@:K TS : seven letters :X4E ::1O C :?>@::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj why they should not be entertained. They all are received on :1n :K OPTS 6th of June by honourable Secretary of Senate and evidence is B R ^ 6 B U 6 6 ‹ :KOP• :?>@:JvF :z·4] :LV :M@:˘ 9™R:92:o:29:X:‡CVpSO 7 Ù]avR d”X:9S i j O7 Y:¾2:´gv 7 mCv :Lƒ Z @:KOPQ :L y :L Š @X E :M@:there. 6 But I just go on sir, the gun was being loaded in next two :d9jiS ? paras.
152 OR B ‹ B U E B Now there are two different :dLš• `F Y:´Y:@?Y:€•q :†O C @: :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 :€4 E 9¦ :st @X ˜ views with regard to the freezing of the Electoral College nd 6 th 6 2 of May.:1n :KOPTS :L•\^ :fx@:?>@:v 19 of May :1n :KOPTS :L •\^ Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: But for the purpose of facilitating this process, I would even accept 19 th of May hypothetically. 6 V PQ :M@: because it will have a long term bearing ”XSi :9?:2STV :f9:s4 C : future :K O nd th B Š there is no change between 2 and 19 of :1¿C X:KvE B ŒOj :KO P µ :2:V clear :fx@:Xv V May as per the record of the Senate. U B Electoral College got :1n :KOPTS :oãOR : arguments :LV :fx@:v :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E th B nd Electoral College got frozen on 19 :Lei :9 j\^:1C ::9D :”@B frozen on 2 of May O 6 B t ˚ :Lei :9j\^ :1:9O C D :fx@:v ! €4 E 9¦ :s @X ˜ of May Senator Muhammad Azam Khan Swati: Sir, you are very correct. ‹ B B B R ‹ c ‹ P y :f94j4E :f@ 4 He has every right. :df94 j4E :Lei :†O ja ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj ˚”Xƒv[ :Ll x@ B U B d?>gÀ :o45 :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B B B PQ P [ B ‹ c ‹ P y :9™uµ : :@gO mCv :L] :fx@:v ˘9OjV :Ò‡:LW ] :K:Lš`:˘O œ @gO mCv :f94 j4E : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj Senator Ishaq Dar has been supported by 15 members which :dLei B 6 p above 9 members belonging ?>@:9™R :9O C Y: break up :L] :…S :X 4E do not include to PML (Q) who have also signed the proposal to support Ishaq Dar as the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate, that is para 23. This is giving the break up É. Mr. Chairman: These dates have become very important.
153 B ‹ c ‹ y these are very important and they are :o 45 : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj B B B ‹ PQãR § P Q ¦ :9ä 2v7 : :@gO mCv :9D : Annex-57 :L] :K:d9:X:2:”>Y9OOZSi v7 O j P4C :o @:1¶ÐO• :K:¥ @: very relevant. ‹ B 6 ˚ ˚ ”>Y:2V :skip :?>@:”Xß 2:1:X:@?X:Kv7 C ]]v OPQ :X V :M@:dLei : speaking order :X4E :9D :fx@:dLev i •Š ‹ U B dLš• `FO :¾2v7 : relevant :fx@v :KB OPQ g mOjvE:f94 j4E ‹ B B R ‹ c ‹ P y Basically sir, it reiterates 24, it df94 j4E :Lei :†O ja ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj R it just tells the :d KOPTS :L V ( XO•V):¥OC @:…O @:svt : gives us the 15. It rejects that B B B PQ ‹ 7 P[ R : : 99‡OC Q  :2V Y:KO :?Y?x@:LÉ• @:L ] :fx@v Lœ š ` para 24 :‡ av facts åCh. Shujaat Hussain, Party Leader of PML (Q) has also furnished a list containing names of members of PML (Q), ANP, MQM, JUI contending that in case names of 9 PML (Q) Senators who have signed in support of Senator Ishaq Dar are counted and the names of members of the aforesaid parties to be counted as supporters of Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri.ç 6 6 PQ• bc 6 P Q B 6 G ãR PQ B 6 :2:9V4[T :”9>:KS OO :X:—:éX:L`]qQa :2 l @:d9 ZCj :X:9X:K SSii :”9œ vE X ƒ4 C :z OC9„ :dLei :9?:X:oS TSiO :X:K ]O :”9 j œ vE X ƒ4 C :˘XSi :Ø?94jq : B Š ‹ B : L ] : f v x@ : d”XŠ : 2V : settle :”9•OR :Lƒ•R É: at least : KB ŒOj : 9Z : ”>2V : invoke :XV :f?X V :?>g À dLei :9OjV :reproduce Sir, with all due respect I wish it should not have been reproduced in your order. Mr. Chairman: It is a factual thing. B 6 ‹ ‹ c ‹ y d d LaR :?Y?x@:L V :fx@:v :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj You are a Judge, sir. You are a Barrister. If there is somebody non professional sitting here then there is no relevanceÉÉ. 6 B ( ( €ƒ[ @z Q) ‹ 6 B P U E B ˚–@Y:”XO•V :1n :>2V :f9:L4Cy :€4E 9 ¦ :~?zXS T v E :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E
154 B U B ‹ c ‹ y :LÉŒ[ :2:V agitate :1·§ Y:>Y:€4E 9¦ :¥z:o9OC { 45 [ ! KgB OPQ mjO vE :f94 j4E :::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj U 6 6 t 7bc 6 PT‹ P T :~?zX:ds9ST vE™4 R :Lei :?X • • :9O j V :@gO mA : dLlai :K?9:L`OOOQ :1n :Le :9 jkÔµ :9O] @:dKSS :L ] 2:2:x@:J9Š V R „ :´gO mA :dK B B 6 U 6 6 ‹ G PT‹ R P C‹ B 6 B P T a•OP4C 6 H dKOOOSS :€•Ž ?X:X:fx@:dKl ] v 9j·„vPC :fx@:f—9 vQ q :J9R :LV :”@:K :L • :¬‡:L4 O7 Õ V :fx@:€ v 4 E 9 ¦’ :€ ‘ 94 ß ‹ ƒ B U E B dLš• 2v7 : next para :Lš• É[ :d9Ojl :X:Si:KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B ‹ c ‹ P y :speaking order :9D :fx@:1v O C dLei Next para 25 :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj dated 6th of June. :Lei åIn my considered opinion since PML (Q) joined the Government, their members cannot support a member contesting the slot of Leader of the Opposition in the Senate. Thus there are only 15 members supporting Senator Muhammad Ishaq Dar. On the other hand Senator Abdul Ghafoor Haideri has now the support of 19 members which include 12 members from JUI.ç Sir, this requires correction, 10 from JUI, 2 allies or independents, 2 with JUI, 5 independent members from FATA and 2 independent members from Balochistan. It is 10 plus 2, plus 5, plus 2 B B 6 V }R V PQ they are not JUI like ::1¿C XO•V :Lei :f?>g:sÀ rectification :o4 :s :=?9:K4C O :M@ Mohtarma Kalsoom Perveen etc., they have not joined JUI, so they cannot under any rule, law or Constitution be considered as part of 6 uµ 6 åAll KOPTS :L•a :fx@:Lv l x@:X ]JUI. They are most welcome to have an alliance these independent members according to the record of the ECP available with the Senate Secretariat were elected to the Senate as ‹ P P œŠ right from 2009, ::KOTS :YXX:K 4E q O j :~?9„ :M9:Lv C V :fx@v independent membersç. ‹ Š 6 B c :KOPQ : before the vacancy, after the vacancy :KOPjœ :èƒjF :s:V 2010, 2011 B G }R HP C :X4E :o4 @: as per ECP :1n :Lei :9•^ :”9 • RO :X:oV @:L ] :fx@:d”X:9v S i |vE :2:;V O v :Annexures :XV :fx@v B 6 6 6 p R P‹ P V‹ R :LÉŒ[ :2V :r‡ü•V :oS :L ƒ • É:KOOQ :?Y?x@:M@:fx@:X:˚Kv ] TS :L ] 2 V : maintain :w‡‰ :;:Y?9|O] ?:1n :La :Le i ?:1 • ^ :fx@v
155 BB p :oH :~@:L] :…:1S n :9•^ :L ] :fx@:v this is in accordance with the ECP record.:1n :K OPTS t available with the Senate Secretariat that they were :Lei :9OjŠ :2:†vV O jE :L y :s v elected to the Senate as independent members. In their letters supporting Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri, all the five Senators from FATA have categorically stated that they are independent members. åSenator Abdul Ghafoor Haideri, of JUI which is now the single largest party...É.ç Sir, I have an objection to this portion with P •Û p In the : dKO TS : Lei ?: 2 V dilate :Ly :ª4 :…:1S O Call due respect to the Chair :9D :fx@:1v O C : Opposition in the Senate having the strength of 12 members. B B B PQ 6 R åIn view of the :d9OC Y:9‡ Q Â : virtually order :9jv7 @:L] :fx@:Kv O : :?>@:9™R : :g4 m3 :@g O mCv foregoing and in exercise of the powers conferred by Rule 2 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate, 1988, I hereby recognize Senator Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri as Leader of the Opposition in the Senate. Notification may be issued accordingly for information of all concernedç, order signed by B ‹ th :o@:LH ] :€94 E ¦ :~227 ŒOjy : Farooq Naek, Chairman, 6 June, 2011 and then 6 I have got you through with :d~Y:2V :confirm :LV :2 Vnotification issue ::¬Õ > U B that is :˘Lei : process @?9„ :X:9:z4E D ·4] :LV :o•q :;OP C @:1:n the substantial evidence maneuvered, that is malafide, that record should have been presented to you at the time of writing this order about these seven Senators, five from FATA and two from Balochistan. Now I have the right to claim even the other two allies should not have been counted stricto senso , the rules, law and Constitution be applied and G B G PvC‹ p PQ 6 B V B :fx@:˘Levi :9OjV :;O :Y?9 | O] ?:X4E :L ] :…:KS O :€zq [ :s :fx@:1 v n :Le i :1:M?@2:~gO C lO mA :2:Mv 7 @:should have. B 6 bc :d>Y:2V : merge :XV :Annex 31 and 57 :1n :9™R :9 • ^ ::L`a :L ] Sir, there are a few important points which I must quickly cover now.
156 B U B ::d?>gÀ ::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B PQ ] ‹ ‹ c ‹ P y Now :dLei :9OjŠ :2:Vcover :@?9„ :1:LO C ] :KO :¸94 » q :L V :?Y?x@:L V :fx@:v :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :gmjO Oj G th ::dLei :9?:XST Si :ï>g® : post 6 of June :1O C :f@:4 sir, I move on to Annexure 39, B B PQ P [ th :9OjV :Ò‡:LW ] :KO :Lš`: œ Post 6 of June is now like more loyal than the king 6 I am Caesar and Caesar is law, the king is dead, long live the d9 ™R ‹ R ‹ dLei :9?:9:9SOT[j4 O V :†ja :X:Y?9V | O] ?:L V : future :f@:dLe4 i :9ST ?:XSi :”9 •OR :1¶Q 9 · q :=>:king Can I go and vote in a ballot box or exercise my choice and decision is taken on that basis of what I did and later have the right to go back to reverse may vote. God knows for what malafide reasons, under what pressure, under what coercion, and evidence is available, Senator Saleem Saifullah is on record stating on TV that 6 G B B 6 B B P 6 P B P :9C —4C :XV :K O C:d9•^ : publicly :X:€V‘ 9’H :~?zXST v E :L] :”X \ R @:1:?>@:KO C O TS :Le i ?:2:V threat :XV :KOSC @X E :~?9 3p O 4 B PQ P¿„ P • R •7 :LV :fx@:Kv O :Sir, although this is not relevant :dKOO :2:KV :sustain :~?9v’O 4 :>Y:˘9O j l B B 6 G q :dLei :9?:X:9SSTj„SSiO V :19OOC :2?:LO7 V :fx@:1v n :”X:9?:2:¬9:1:L i T V 47 C„ C • 9 Mr. Chairman: I want to ask you whether these two Annexures 39 and 40 written by these two Senators can be considered or not? Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, not at all. These are post 6 th June B 6 PR 6 p P For me, they are just piece of paper. d9?:´Y:KST OO• :€O•ŽS @:XV :M@:X:K ] Q U 6 B B R 6 :dLl :”XSi :L ] @>2V :letter type :L•Pn :KOP• :9jv7 :Reason being that they are undated B B B 6 B B P PQV B P • R 6 }R E " 1n :9•^ :L]l• :”X\R @:dL :”X:?>@:LSS in :KOO :€4 O•4 E :s :”@:K :9 jv7 :o4 @:d9O j l :X:=>:˘Lš i ] Y:2V :sign :L] :; 4 U B B 6B U ‹ 6 ¼H P PŽ 45 Ž45 P U •q :1:”X:9O C Sija4b :K:dKOOQ TS :L] @2:éV :>Y:L ] :”X \ R @:˘ "XY:@2:éO]V :L] :=>@:˘KO C :L ] X:S i sign :>Y:˘>9vC :o coercion under your able chairmanship on your members should be avoided because honourable Senator Saleem Saif Ullah Khan has
:~?zST XvE : been on record on Television, on electronic media, he said
157 B p :sV :fx@:…v S :1n :KOPTS :Lei ?:2:V threat :?>@ coercion :2V :—:X4C V :”@:˘KB OPST :Lš•V : sign :L] :”XX:Kl Š B 4E :˘€4 E 9 ¦ ‹ V B V B 7p 7 PB P 5 •P ^ :s :gO mvÑ :; :1O C ! f94 j4E :d Ll :KY:@>2:1:…:˘LOOVO C S l :KY:@>2: V de-seat :X:fx@:˘LV v l :KOOµ :K ™ v :o O 3 ˚Lei :opS ?:XSi :politics As you very rightly said, it is not relevant. For me it is just a piece of paper, it has no relevance. Mr. Chairman: Next point. B B P ‹ c ‹ P y it is a piece of :1n :”XSi :9?:2ST V : adopt :9•^ :9 D :”@:K O Q : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B 6 B R I said a piece of paper.d9jiS 9v [ :9 j \ ^ :KOOP• :K P Q disgrace. B U B P•R t }R PQ B U E B dLei :KO :sX:oV 4 :date :2v7 :M@:˘Lei :9OjŠ :2 V :note :L] :K O :KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B th R ^ ‹ c ‹ y It was received after 6 :dLei :KOP•R :o}4 :J vF : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj June. 6 6 U B definitely I would have :X:9X:L]C S iƒ•R É:L y :”X:J:2@B 4 E v E l : KB OPQ gmjO vE : f94 j4E referred itÉ. B B B R B R ‹ c ‹ y :KOOPQ :˘Lei :K P • :2v7 : I am sorry, copies ! f94 j4E :K OP• : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj B 6 uC B :fx@:v I will provide you my copy :dLei : dim :€\4R :2v7 :M@:˘Lei :o} O Y: original :1¿C XvE :L ] th Sir, this was received on 10 June, I can read know.:dKOPµ :LŠ :2:v7record B R 6 H B t P B U E B :M9:´gvCO mA :˚Lei :ª?9:oO C :”XV :2:sv7 v 9 D :~g ® >Y:˘ Ll :KO µ :2:VCheck : KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B R dLei :KOP• :date :2v7 :M@:˘Lei :svt 9D :X 4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Now sir, let me take you to annexure 43. B P3Sp 6 B P U E B Senate : ?>@: LƒQ : letters :X:”X:J:KV4 E vE O :1:Len i :f9:†@4C O C : KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E B ∗ U B [ ] ‹ dLei :K OP•R XXXXX stXV :KOPQ :M@:˘Lei :~Y:N@Y:opS :”XB 4 E :JvE :L ] :Secretariat
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158 B B Š B ‹ c ‹ y :X4E :KB ŒOj :9•^ :¬:L4 V ] :K O P Q ! f94 j4E : Sir, I am grateful. : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj BB6 B U U B P•R P Q}R } R P • R 6 V B l ddd9?:1ST•^ :KO :X:fx@:KVv O :˘9–:oO C 4 :X 4 E :do :K O :f?>g:sÀ :”@:˘L• :L ] @X Ô jq :letters U B ddddd”Y:oBBBH @:˘LƒQ :”Y:;4E :XV :”@ : KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, I appreciate. Mr. Chairman: Undated letter. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, I appreciate. Mr. Chairman: Thank you. B U G B B ‹ R 6 V R•q B R P ‹ c ‹ P y :N@Y:ª?9:sO C :Lƒy• É:L :o :>Y:2:”@:1v7n :Le i :2 Œ „ :1 n :9 • ^ :L ƒ] • É:L :K O Q : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 6 U U B :‡avR :X:sX:s:L]tS i V ƒ•R É:L y :o •q2 I could have a serious trouble here :L] x@:L Š :KOP•R :2 V B 6 p 6 R dddLl x@:˘sV :X:L] ] :…:1SSn :9X:C i claim :o }4 B U 6 ∗ 6 ‹ R 6 tB t [ ] U E B dddLš•7 Y:N@Y:ª?9:sO C XV :=>—{S :L V :”X4 E :JvE :=>:2l @:s X i : XXXXX :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B B R ‹ c ‹ y I complement, that is the only ! f94 j4E :K OP• : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj saving grace here. ‹ R P v[ U E B At least the date has been rightly :dLei :†O ja :K O ¶ : KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B 6 ∗ ∗ :KOP•R :X ]:put. You canãt say there is [XXXXX ] on the date. [ XXXXX ] U dst X Si Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Rightly put, I fully endorse sir. Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, annexure 41. B 6 }R U E B dLei :9D :”X4E :=gm„ :o4 :1O C : KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E
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159 B th PQ B ‹ c ‹ P y :9OjV :1n :”X:9?:9Si S T ™ ^ Y:letters :LV :post 6 June :K O ! f94 j4E : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 PB P B sir, this shows the malafide. ˘KOOTS :K C :˘>Y ! f94 j4E :dLei :9?:XS T Si 6 B 7‹ 5 R P R p U E B :˘K?XOOav :X:M@:‡ Vav :X:Le ] i ?:2:KV • :letters consider :1O C :€4 4E :… S : KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E :dKOP¶v[ :Ll x@:fx@v B ‹ c ‹ y dKOPµ :JŒOC Y:fx@:1vn :Lei :Lš •Š :L V :fx@:½g v À : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj P¶v[ ¼H 6 V P Q B P U E B dKOO :Ll x@:fx@:˘”XvSi :9ST ?:J4F :f94 C :s :fx@:K v : KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E B 6 R B ‹ c ‹ y dLei :9C 2V :fall :KOPQ :category :oH @:o } 4 :43 ! f94 j4E : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj Mr. Chairman: Let us discuss before 6 th June. U B B B ( ( ~Y:st 9 jy:f‡4 Üq :”@Y@:KBBOPQ :”@XO] @:2v7 :é• X q :M@ ) B 6 ‹ B B U B dsl :LÔµ :?>@:2Y:oO7•Pn :XV :fx@:˘€v 4 E 9¦ :?@Y:dKOPµ :2 V :1Ï• >:9 D :?9 3 R : KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, I will try to windup in 15, 20 minutes. 6 U B it is 7:30, should we meet at 8 :K:LOPTS ] 2:9V kO] @ : KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E Oãclock? 6 B ( ( €ƒ[ @z Q) B P V ‹ B B B ‹ c ‹ P y dKO µ :2V :†2:sO C 4 7 :€•q :=?z jv7 ! f94 j4E : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj ‹ B R 4R ‹ U E B dLei :†O ja :dL` b :JR x@:L ] X v] : KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 B ( ( €ƒ[ @z Q) 6 B 6 • B 6 •E B •‘ c ‹ y dKOPTS :L] 2:…V :X:M@V : s@Xt ˜ :”9B [ :… @:z3b :g mjO POj 6 B •E U B dLei :business :o 9D :?>@:¥D :˘KOP µ :2V :… :wx@4 : KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B 6 B B ‹ B P•R •E 4 B t B Pjy d9:X:KZ Si O :… :wx@ ! f94 j4E : s 94C ?:9 ¦ ?:”9O j q :g mjO O 6 6 B 6 B B R 6 •E U B :f?9@:X:”@:˘K4[VB OPTSS 9:99:ov [C[„ 4 } 9 :X 4 E :1n :K O P T :L] 2:9V k O] @:dK O P µ :2 V :… :wx@4 : KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E U dL] 94[ :~Y:´Y
160 B ‹ B 6 p B R ‹ c ‹ P y quorum :1:9n ™R :9O j V : agree :L] :… S ! f94 j4E :dLei :† O ja : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B R d9Z :XSi :KOP• :point out B B R U B :L•\^ :L V :fx@:˘€9v 4 E ¦ :gÞOPÙ >2:d9:X:Kv 7 Z Si OP• : Quorum point out : KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E U 6 B B B B •Û PQB ŒjŠ 6 6 D P Q •E 6 PQ P • R 6 V :ª4 :KOO :KO :9™3R :?9O•47 :f@?:¥:K ::dL] 9:94 [jO Š :2:…V :X:M@:1Vn :”X:9S i j[ iS 9 v :YXE :KOO :˘Lei :K :f?>gÀ :s because I want the debateÉ :”XSi :9OC x@ Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: We appreciate that. 6 B B •E ‹ B ‹ î B 6 d9:”X:2:…ZŠV :KOOPQ :€•q :MY:K P Q :˘9:X:9:L ZDSS i•P ™ :L ß Yx@:˚9:X:9 Zj i Pn 6 B B 7 6 B t B ‹ P y dLl :K2:f9::€O V 4C4 y :X:9:X:] Z S i rebuttal ! f94 j4E : s 9C ?:9 ¦ ?:”9 j q :g mjO Oj 4 O B 6 6 B ‹ c ‹ y :petitioner :X:K]OPQ :d”XS i : first rounder :X] :K OPQ ! f94 j4E : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj d”XSi :o }4R Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, if any point of mine is rebutted, then I have a right to stand up and rebut that. B B B 6 P B B ‹ c ‹ P y :2@:1ln :9™R :@X:1:LSiO C ‰ :˘KOµ :2:˘Le V i :92:X:L C V 4 E ] :”X \ R !@ f94 j4E : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj U B t d9Z :XSi :point :9Oj7 :s X V Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, you canãt be one sided. U B B B 6 B bc ‹ U B dLei :9C 2V :point :9j7 :st XV :2l @:L] :fx@:dKY:f?9v O7 4 [ @:L a ` :˘€4 E 9 ¦ :?@Y : KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 4E O • j B 6 B R B |Š B t B B •‘ c ‹ P y :@XSi :L‰ :X4 E :L ƒ • É ! f94 j4E d Lei : point :9Oj7 :¥ 94 C ! f94 j4E : s@X˜ :”9[ :… @:z3b :g mjO Oj B p ‹ B 6 6 :…:2:?@g@:LS v7À V :€94E¦ :?@Y:z ·4] :L Vl :M@:dL :KOPµ X:K 4] O P Q :2x@:L E y :€ 4 y :fx@:1 vn :9 ™•™R :9^ :L ] :fx@:˘9 v R B dddL ] B B P R }•V B ‹ c ‹ P y House Business :1:d9O C •^ :KO • :o 4 ! f94 j4E : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B 6 B 6BB R R 6 d9™CQ¦CR :99L] :€94E :~?z j E :9–X:dLq a :KOOOP• :K P Q :M@:fx@:˘9v ™ R :@X:1S i ¶ÐO•§ :K P Q :Committee O 6 • B B G B B c B •‘ c ‹ y dKO7 Y:L• šPµ :2V :M?@2 l :@?Y:L a `b : s@Xt ˜ :”9B [ :… @:z3b :g mjO POj
161 B 7 6 ‹ c ‹ P y dK2O V :f94C :factually :fx@v : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B ‹ B }4R B 4 B t B Pjy dLei :o :99C ™^ :9: D Chief Whip :wx@ ! f94 j4E : s 94C ?:9 ¦ ?:”9O j q :g mjO O B 4R 6 B U B dLei :L` b :X:X:99] ] C ™^ :9: D Chief Whip : KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B 4R ‹ B t B ‹ Pjy dLei :L` b :JR x@ ! f94 j4E : s 94C ?:9 ¦ ?:”9O j q :g mjO O 6 ‹ ‹ U B dKOPTS :Lš•Pµ :2:Jx@:LV R ß ?9 „ : KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E 6 B B U •E 6 6 B ‹ c ‹ y d9:LZ] 94 [ :X:…Si :†:¬>:M@C Õ ! f94 j4E : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj B ‹ B PTS B t B Pjy dd dd ddd:1n :KO ?:mentally prepare :fx@v ! f94 j4E : s 94C ?:9 ¦ ?:”9O j q :g mjO O 6 Pµ•Û D P T i R B U E B ˚KOO :2:ªV 4 :¥:˚KS :Le• 9:9v[O j V :fx@:‡v av : KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B Pµ D B B B P E ‹ P y dKO :2V :¥ ! f94 j4E : ~?9’4R :KO k :gO mC :zOjy :g mjO Oj B B B t B ‹ Pjy right to rebuttal. ! f94 j4E : s 94C ?:9 ¦ ?:”9O j q :g mjO O B P P R P U E B :9?:1ST •^ :¬:K4 V OOQ dLei :K • : right of rebuttal :1n :”XSi :9?:1ST • ^ :K O Q : KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E dLei :1n :”X Si U B t6 V B ‹ c ‹ P y dLei :s XSi :f94C :s :new point ! f94 j4E : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: If any point of mine is raisedÉ U 6 • B U 6 B B •‘ c ‹ y I have to :KOPTS :o•l :s9t j47 :Kg O 7 O mvÑ :X:X:fx@ 4 E V v : s@Xt ˜ :”9B [ :… @:z 3b : g mjO POj 6 B }R V 6 PQ :fx@:2@:dov l :s :f9:X4C 4E :L] :K O : explain those. I have full right to explain it. 6 P B }R •Û dKO ST :Le•i 9:92:ov[ C V 4 :ª 4 U B B B U B 7:45 pm Allah hafiz.:dsl :L] 9:X:94[Si Ð • :?9 3 R : KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E ‹ B R ‹ c ‹ P y Thank you.:dLei :† O ja : ?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj [The House was then adjourned till 7:45 pm] G B U B R B B PQ U vE B 6 ( ( @XSi :ï>g® :=?94C >Y ( †OOj7 9C :ªv @:ˆ>?9 Ù :f94 j 4E):KO gmjO :f94 j4E :f?@z¦ :2?::M—@:zO7 4[ · 4] :LV :1Ï • > )
162 U t B U E B :˚s9™4 R :Lei :@X:9Si O j V ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E Mian sahib , I would like to meet after todayãs sitting, if you can kindly come to my Chamber. Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Yes, sir. B 6 B 6P™^ p 6 B B ‹ H c ‹ P y dLei :@X:9SiOjŠ :1j×SSi :X4 E :L ] :fx@:˘Kv O ?:o:J9S R „ :1 j × i :X:”@ V ! f94 j4E :?@Y:¸¡F @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 6 ‹ P^ bc P 6 U E B ! €4 E 9¦ :?@Y:dKOOTSS :L•\ :1:L`O C a :?>@:K T :L ] 2:V argument :1j×Si :†O C @:fx@:v :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 ∗ B 6 [ ] • 6 PQ dLei :9OjV :N9 3 ÜP„@:€\4R ::9 D XXXXX ç׊ :L] :fx@::1vn :”X\^ :f94C :†O C @:L y :fx@:K v O 6 B B B • PQ B ‹ H c ‹ P y dLei :9OOjV :N9 3ÜP„ @::=Y9 CD ?:9 :maneuvering ç׊ :L] :K O ! f94 j4E :?@Y:¸¡F @:z3b :g mjO Oj B B 6 B U E B specially with :˘Lei 9OjV : =Y9?:N9OC 3ÜP„ @:9: D tampering :L] :fx@:v :KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E :sV :tempering :KOOPQ ?>@:K P TS :LV :independents :X4E :regard to the seven documents ‹ R 6 to make :˘Lei :†O ja : to meddle so as to alter a thing 9™R : 9ST ?:JŒOC Y: definition B 6 B PT 6 :”X\R @:˘LƒQ :letter :XV :”X4 E :6:XV :Secretariat :1:Kn O S :L] 2:Vadmit :XV :f94C :M@:fx@:f@:v 4 changes. B B B B U B P•R }R Š ‹ P•R B t Š ‹ V B :9OjV :KO :o4 :change :XV :letter :M@:L] :”X\R @:?>@:s @Y:KO :date :çƒ{ :s XV :˘s@Y date :s :”X4E :6:L ] 6 :X ] I think it is a very harsh word. ∗ Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: No, sir [ XXXXX ] with reference not only to the Senate Secretariat but also whose services are involved. B B R U B dLei :9•^ :L y :fx@:v coolly L] :K:˘KOOPQ P • ::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B U ‹ H c ‹ y dKOPC 9‡Q  :fx@:v :?@Y:¸¡F @:z3b :g mjO POj 6 6 U B :undated :?9v[ :?>@:KOPTS :dated :KB OOPC :˘K P TS :undated letters :f9„ ::=>::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B uµ auµ E B PT ˚La :9OjV :–@>:L • :f@:˘L4 ƒ Q :XV :date :;4 :XV :”@:dK O S
∗ [ XXXXX Word expunged by the orders of Mr. Chairman ]
163 U B B t PQ B ‹ H c ‹ P y :s @>??9D :fx@:˘Lev i :9O j V : appreciate :XV :M@:L] :K O ! f94 j4E : ?@Y:¸¡F @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 6 U B B :JŒµ :date :sV :Lƒ•R É:Ly :M@:9:LšC • 7 Y:JŒµ :sV :¥2@:OC v7 30 :˘ Lš•7 Y:JŒµ :date :sX:1:2@:1t V Cl n :Lei :9•^ :L ] :KOOPQ :˘K P µ 9 | ] O 6 O 6 6 6 ds9:K:€t4[ B 47 4•OPÐq :Lš•Š :´g O mA :X:Lš] • 7 Y U B [ ]∗ U B dst XSi :K OP•R XXXXX :KB OPQ gmjO vE ::f94 j4E G B B PQ PQ ‹ H c B :1:Leni :2Œ„ :1Le n i] :9•^ :L :K:˘LeO i :9O j V : appreciate :L] :K:O :?@Y:¸¡F @:z3b :f94 j4E ‹ B ‹ dsŠ @Y:”XB 4E6:L] :€94 E ¦ :~227 ŒOjy :L V Senate [ ]∗ • 6 6 B U B dKO7 Y:2V :expunge :X V XXXXX ç׊ :M@X] :KO7 Y:f?94[ @:fx@:2v l @::KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B B ‹ H c ‹ y :1C : XV : maneuvering and mela fide : fx@v ! f94 j4E : :?@Y:¸¡F @:z3b :g mjO POj dKO7 2 V ∗ 6 V[ ] • PQ B P U E B d:”XSi :9ST ?:2V :f94 C :s : XXXXX ç׊ :KO :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E B ‹ c ‹ y Tampering with reference to the seven :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj B 6 ^ with reference to these ˘KO7 Y: 2V : expunge :=>:X:Le] i :9•^ :KOOP• ::L ] :K:2@: P Q l letters seven Annexures, letãs be specific. ‹ R ] PT 6 H B P U E B dLei :†O ja :;:dK4 O S :Le i ?:2V :f9:fx@:2:o4C v v 7 @::KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E 6B ‹ 6 B PR P ^ ‹ c ‹ P y :X:L]] :K:1OOQ¿¶4C :Le i :†O j a :=>:X:K ] • :L y : reference : M@ :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B B PT V ‹ yPT B B :diary ˘KO S :Lš• : initial :L] :€4 E 9¦ :~gmCO 2ŒOj ::?>@:KO S :L ƒ Q :”Y:~2 E x@:X:”@:dLeV i 9O j V : appreciate 6 U B B 6‹ b c R dLei :Ò@gmÁ @:9„ :@?XaR :L a ` :”9 • OR :dsX:K t S i OP• Mr. Chairman: Dar sahib very kind, thank you, letãs proceed further, 6 B B •E 6 bc ^ d:X:…SSi :~z¶4[ :1n :”X:9 ijiS 9:Kv [ OOPQ :Lš•Š :M@:K P TS :Le i ?:JŒOC Y:L y•a :L‘ :L` :àX:J Š v F B B ‹ c ‹ y I will be very fast. ! f94 j4E :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj
∗ [ XXXXX Word expunged by the orders of Mr. Chairman ]
164 U ‹ B P•P4CG V P6 P R U E B :dKOOOTS :L] X:LSSi a š :=>:˘”X:9?:2:=?9 iSTV „ @:½‡‰ :;:K Q :1n :9 j v7 :K • :X:f V v x@::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E U ¼H dLš•7 9‡:o:dKQ  45 OPTSS :Le i ?:@2Œkq :X 4E :K O P T :Le i ?:J4F :=>:You are very kind to us. G B P 5 ‹ c ‹ P y ˘”XSi :9?:2ST V :ï>g® :KO Q :o4 ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj I am just sorting out my papers. We were at annexure 45. Am I right sir? 6 R p U E B :case law 2005 SEM :1:9O C D :fx@:dLv a :2:v7 Annexure 45 :… S :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E dLei G B 6 B P B ‹ c ‹ P y :para 20 :1n 9™R :9?:2:M?@2S T V l :1:KO C O Q : Basically ! –@>:f94 j4E : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B th all issues and seven :X:fx@:LV v ] :KOPQ :overall process, after 19 May Ll x@:L y U 6 B V P dLei :f?>gÀ :s :review :LV :fx@:Xv V :M@Le i :process :@? 9„ :X:1:˘K4E O C O TS :Lš•7 Y:L V 2:Vletters flag U P U E B :judgments :´?9„ :1:KO C O TS :L•l :=?: few Annexures :X4E :LV :fx@:v :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 :sV : judgments :½gÀ :KOPQ : you allow me to go through them myself?:X] :K OPTS FO•Š ‹ 6 dLš• ` :¾2v7 :1O C :fx@:d”Xv Si :9?:2ST V :f94 C 6 B B ‹ bc ‹ R B ‹ c ‹ y :~?XaR :La ` :½gÀ :fx@:9v Z :”X ß 2v7 :K OP• judgments KOPQ ! f94 j4E :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj 6 B dKO7 Y:´Y:f?94[ @ U R‹ B B 6 U B I have got no dKOPµ :…9:oCÍ ‡:9c j P[4 :Ly :½‡:~g ‰ O mA :fx@:v :KB OPQ gmjO vE : f94 j4E objection whatsoever. B B B PQ P [ ‹ c ‹ P y I will take you to Annexure :1n :9OjV :Ò‡:LW ] :KO :Lš`: œ :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B P P 3 issues with reference to :X:L4E ] :KOOQ :1n :”XSi :9?:9ST4 [ :2V :LŠ :”XO •V :2:M@:Xv 7 V :fx@:Kv Q :?>@:45 B B 6 6 Fc PQ }R V 6 walk the :èƒj :LV :2:V dilate :@?9„ :L] :KO :2:M@:˘ov7 :s :f9:4 C Opposition members G B B B 6 y and we have :KOOPTS :sV :M?@2l :K 7 gO mvÑ :~?9„ :X V :fx@:Lv Ü] š ?Y:L V :order :LV :fx@:Jv R 9„ L V :oü —Ù :talk B 7 :9OjŠ : 2V : before the break cover XV : fx@:v L• É @: reached now to Annexure 43, 6 Am I right sir?d9 ™R
165 U 6 PQ V B P U E B :1n :”>9j47 :KO :´?94 C :LV :M@:Le i :citation 45 and 46 :X4E :s :fx@:v :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E on the principle of Audi alteram partem. No one should be : 1O C ‹ 5 R I have got this point. Now next, move :˘o4 :Lei :†O ja :condemn unheard. to next Annexure which is annex 48. B 6 B B P•7 ^ } R P •7 B P R ‹ c ‹ P y :˘KOOQ :2Y:oO7 @:dLei :JvF :o4 :K Q :ªvO 4 :L V :Annex M@:f94 j4E :KO • :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 6 B 6 6 B ‹ bc 6• E Now the remaining :d”XSi :9x@:2:M@:KCv7OOOPQ :˘KY:´Y:f?9 74 [ @:oH :~?X a R :La ` :d9 j OPµ :2 V :… :K P Q material after we have pulled back from 57 annexure to pre pone 6 B B ^ U p :KOOPQ :?>@:”X:9Si jiS 9:92:Ò‡v [ C V W :JvF :K P Q :Lƒ • R É:L y :M@:dL • l x@:2:v 7 Annexure 45 :…S :f@:4 discussion. U 6 :1n :KOPTS :Lei ?:9‡:Lš`Q œ P [ :fx@‡v a vR :?>@:Le i :sX:f9:stSi C V :Political Parties Order :d9Z :”>2V :ship ::Ly @ U 4 P t 7B :˘KO TS :s XSi : discuss :KgOO mvÑ :X 4 E :1:O C Article 17(2):‡avR :?>@: 270AA(1), 12 October, 1999 B B 6 PQ PQ P•R B PQ :1:d9O C Z[[ :”X9Si v :f?94 @:KO :´?9:L4 C V :Article 270BB :½gÀ :KO :˘9Z :”>2V :KO :repeat :XV :”@:K O U dLei :2 v7page 167 :LV :KB OPC x@ åNotwithstanding anything contained in the Constitution, or any other law for the time being in force, the General Election 2008, to the National Assembly and the Provincial Assemblies held on the eighteenth day of February, two thousand and eight shall be deemed to have been held under the Constitution and shall have effect accordinglyç. th B Political : 1O C : 2l @: ˚”XO•V : dLei : through 18 Amendment insertion : 1O C ! f94 j4E Parties Order, General Election Order and LFO and all these businesses were so sacred to us and we retained quite a number of things, it was not necessary to have included 270BB, this is the B 6 B •Š P•Q4R PG R P Q it will take one hour :˘9jiS 9:99v [C’4 O :KOOO :K :€F :X:fx@:KV v : intent of Parliament. B ‹ B th p it has Lei :–@Y:Lš Ü] ?Y:L V :18 Amendment :L] :…:X:S 4E270BB :1n :and all my saying with reference to the discussion which I :9D :M@:Lei 270BB :X4E :?>@: a message
166 B B •Û with reference to Article 270A, :?>@:sV :€4 E 9¦ :s9?:9 t C¦ ?:”9 j q ::ª :wx@:4 adopted BU4 O 4 R‹ B dLei :KB‘ z:s± V :…9:1C ¿C XvE :f@:4 270B, 270BB BBB U U B I want to make it very clear.˘Lei :KOOP•R :KB ‘ z:s:X:K± t V P • R :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E U B t6 V B ‹ c ‹ P y :X4E : ˘s XS i : f94C : s : spirit : ~?9„ : X 4E : 1O C : basically ! f94 j4E : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B U U 7 PQ t6 V t6 V learned :LÉ• @:K:˘sX:f9:s:O Si 4C discipline :X:˘sX:f9:s:4ES i 4C interchangeable ‹ :´247 :Lš•Š :´?93Sp :?>@:they are very senior lawyers :˘”XSi :9?:2ST V :quote :XV :colleagues B B 6 V B PQ Pn PT6 C d”XSi :9?:2STV :f94 C :s :”@:KO :KO :dilate :L] :”X\•4E :˘KO S :r@gmÑ @:¥94 ± B U B 6 ¼H there is KOSPST :Lš] Y:L ] :”XO•7 9™4 R :?>@:”X?2:´?9 l 47 3 p :arguments :X4E :1n :”X:9S i ja4b :K OPQ lack of spirit and they defy fundamental norms of the democratic B B B 6 B B PR t bc P ‹ P P :Lei :KOO• :s@gO mÑ :L` a :?>@:K TS :L ß 2:v7 articles :L•P `:L[ ] :KO Q :1n :”X:9?:2:Ò‡Si ST V W :KO Q : dispensation. B •q 6 B 6 R :1n :X4E :…O 2:KXYX7 O7 SSS iEiVv :1 n :X:Y9:X:fx@:˘LeCvi :9?:X:Ò@g T imÁ @:X 4 E :wx@::14 n Le iƒ] :9 • ^ :o}4 :L • É:X:fx@:LR V v :K OP Q :?>@ 6 O S 6 U R 6 •q 6 ‹ R there :o} : request :~?93SOp :¬>:LÕ V :…O 2:KX?97 7 SSi ™ R @:?>@:o} :sX::t i unanimously pass were four predetermined items agreed between Late Benazir Bhotto BB sahiba charter of democracy :”9Ojq ?Y:LV :”@: and Mian Nawaz Sharif Sahib th 6 P we will restore the Constitution as on 12 :1n :9™R : predetermined :1:KO C O Q : 6 B B P R ã^ 7B R p Joint Electoral etc. :˘K O ™ :o :KgOO mvÑ :ª9:?9:Lv vCv [ ] :…:XS 4 E :1:O COctober, 1999 subject to B U G t p B P :”X\•4E :s 9™4 R :´gOSmA :o >:wx@:14 n :”X:9?:2S i S T V :M?@2 l :1:KO C O Q :etc. number of increased seats. B B BBB th R ‹ 6 17 :L] :”X\•4E :˘:9OjV : support : XV : LFO 2002 : ‡av L] : ”X\•4E : ˘9OC Y: f>>: ¬Õ >: M@: L ] B •q 6 ‹ B :LV :M@:‡ avR:˘9jV :support :2:¥:KVQOOP Q :…O 2:KX?9 7 7 Si™R @:L] :”X \ •4E :˘9 j V :support :XV :Amendment O O 6 B R ¼H bc do we have any consistency in our approach or we :1n :sx@:Kt OP• :J4F :L`a :z ·4] are afloat like process of electing and exercising our choice for p :…S 2v7 :aspect :g:1S T n :Leader of the Opposition. Is it becoming our character B B dLei :92CV :r9 D :oãOR :L ] Mr. Chairman: What is the purpose of referring to Article 270BB?
167 B 6 D 6 PQ PQ ‹ c ‹ P y :debate :€\4R :”9•OR :¥:1n :”X:9?:2:Si S T Vf94C :KO : spirit :M@:KO ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B B U R 6 c 6 B R B ‹ :´?93SOOSp :=>:dKPTS :K P • :rgm’ :Lš•Š :´?9 3 p :1jy @XF @z::àX:L[ Š V :99:1 CÙjC n :9l :9Y: impression :1C :?>@:st X Si B OO U O BBB B Sp 6 ¼H R 6 c ‹ :KOOPQ :LÕ —:L{SS V :”@:1¿C XO•V :Lše • i 9:sX:?z:=Y9?:sv[t i± C V :”@:K P 3 :1 n :”X:9 i j a4 b :KOOPQ :˘K P TS :s9t™4 R :K B \ 4 :rgm’ :´2 47 B O U B P•R B 6 PQB t P • R :suffer :=>:˘Lei :9OC x@:KO :level of prosperity :9j7 @:KOO :LÕ —:L{S V :”@:˘:sX:Ki :development G G B p V˜ V B Œ Š P and :˘Lei :oS ?94[ :s :; XV :s :Lš•7 Y impression :†@::KO C Oj :they are at war :˘KO TS :Lei ?::X Si a faction of Opposition members are trying to promote disfranchising G B P :9?:2ST V :M?@2 l :1:½g:KO C À O Q : FATA from the election. This is not the case. d d dddd”X Si B B ‹ y P ‹ ‹ U E B :àXŠ :fx@:Xv V :€O•POj :KOQ :M@:˘Lei :–@Y:L ] :fx@:X v 4 E :Le i :interesting :@247 :1O C ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E ‹ U dKOPä 2v7 :XV :270BB :fx@:dKv OPTS :L•l :NXa4R :‡ avR åNotwithstanding anything contained in the Constitution, or any other law for the time being in force, the General Election 2008, to the National Assembly and the Provincial AssembliesÉ. B B B B P•R p ‹ y P Q d9OjV :KOO :o:2Y:9:€S V D O•POj :L] ::”XX:fx@:Kl Š v :M@ Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Because if the Provincial Assemblies are legitimized, Senate is a consequential election. Let me dwell and advocate sir. If Provincial Assemblies are legitimized then the Senate election are held under Electoral College which is the Provincial Assemblies. Mr. Chairman: Letãs move further now. B B ‹ p 6 B ‹ c ‹ P y :X4E :1O C :?>@Lei :–@Y 270BB ::X:L4E ] :…:1:9S n™R :1:½g:9O C À j \^ @gO mA : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 B PP PB B 6 PPSp 6 c 6 B •E :KOOOOSQ[T :Lš`:?>@::Kœ S :2‡O7 W :€\4 R :K 3T :˘:K S :rgm’ :€ \ 4 R :´?9 3p dLše•i 9:9X:…v[ C Si :1:˘:LeO C i : impression B P B once they are elected they will come to :KO TS :choices :Lš•Š :L V :”@:1:1O C n ::9•^ :L ] B ‹ B B U PR P P tPR B ‘ t R :KOO• :2l @dK TS :best Judge :=>::KO µ 2V :join :s?9:=>:?>@:LevC i :KO • :K z:sX± V :‡av :?>@:this House 6 most welcome if they want to be independent, they donãt want :L] 2 V
168 to be hit by defection Article 63(A), they want to be free and cast 6 B B :L• ei 9v[ :9 j iS ?:Y@?x@:2l @:=>: their votes even on the four items which invoke 63(A) B B 6 :X4E :K OPQ :´?9:LC V : Leader of the House ! f94 j4E :1¿ C XO•V : this is the cost.:‡avR X] :K OPTS BB4 U 6 6 ^ R :=>:˘Lei :KOOP•R :f9:o¢O] @:9:Le i :K P • R : voting :”9>:1n :sX:f9:Jt SivF :o}4 :KOSPQ :M@:Lei :èX:@?9• q p 4CO C ST4 C• 3 Š •‘ B let me sir, remind you there have :K B ŒOj :Lei : prerogative :9:€9D4 E ¦ :… @2?>O7 been instances in the history of Senate when minority was sitting at B R :”9•OR :g4 m3 9 D :fx@:2v l @:1n :reason ˘2v7 :that side of the divide i.e. Treasury Benches Lei :o}4R :… ^ if your party, you are in governance and you are in the government in the National Assembly of Pakistan, you will not sit in opposition because you are thirty out of hundred. You will be sitting in Treasury and there could be possibility of electing a Leader of the Opposition from remaining seventy members. B U ‹ ‹ 6 ‹ v[ 5 R U E B :2V :fX] :r93R :LV :9 C 9 Ù :?>@: Independent :dL• šP¶ : next o4 Lei :†O ja : :KB OPQ g mjO v :f94 j4E dKOPTS :Lš•Š B B PT P •R P T Ê G 4R ‹ c ‹ P y :dKOOOSS :K :1n :K :competent :fx@:9v OjV :1n :Lei :ov[ :”9 • OR :€F :X4E ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B 6 B G •E ‹ B B 6 G dsV :L] 2V :… :XV :M@:KOOPQ :”X •PQ :zjvE ::”X:92S iC V :;˜ X V :~z ¶4[ :~z ¶ 4[ :2:M@:f@:Kv 7 4 P Q U B d2 d2 v7>@:LV :Review :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E B B ‹ c ‹ y The Chairman, power to review his df94 j4E :o45 :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj B B B H•y • 67 }R B R6 c B 6 ã R :€94E¦’ :Y94 :…O >:˘:9OO j•DjV :?9ê @:9:f–9 E :LÉ• @:o4 :L ] :€9 4 E ¦’ :~?94 :rgm’ :1 ¿ C XO•V Le i :f9:o4 C O :opinion BUBBBBB • V }R •Û P 6 c R ] your ruling :1n :s :Ò‡W :o4 :ª4 :L]] :KO Q :?>@:L :”XO•7 9™4 R :èƒ j F :?>@:L ] :€4 E 9 ¦ :‡ ü ‰ :…@:;@:˘LO O ] of the 8th of June read with remarks about record in your chamber I think, you were magnanimous and that should have been the 6B U B ^ ‹ 6 :sV :fx@:1v¿¶4C :Lei :sx@:K tOOOPP•R :o¼ :sX:K tV Q :z:L± Vyi :fx@:L v :M@Le :K:@2:X:K2: B v 7747 ] V realize :o•ƒ{ 2@:1l n :spirit 6 ‹ 6 ‹ 6 B locally and internationally that you Lei :o•ß 2:47recognition :sV :fx@:dLev i :o•ß 2:f‡47 W
169 are magnanimous, you are open and you are ready to correct your own mistakes. Anybody can make mistake. 6 B B :fx@:1v nwhy we consider :1n :”XSi :92C V :Ò‡W :X V :fx@:~zv ¶4[ :~z ¶ 4[ :@?Y:2:M@:Kv 7 OPQ 6 P P th P :KO Q :Lš`œ [ :X:†@:] O C to review your decision of 6 of June, 2011 :KO TS :competent B B B Ê P•R 6 B P3Sp we were :o:KQ O :reasonable opportunity :¬Õ >:M@:XV :”X4 E : :KO :1n :9OjV :Ò‡W :L ] not called, I am not sure about Haideri Sahib. All these letters I U after note to the :z·4] L V o•q : have cited after all process of B ‹ y :†O C @:process @?9„ :˘Lš•V :Sign :L] :€94E¦ :~227 ŒOj :€: 4 4 E best of my memory para 20 BB‹ B PPPB 6Rbcî 6 P R b c P B p but it is Lei @X:KSSSiOOOOOQ•Q :”Y:†@:9OOSCjv7 :K :L` a• :˘:@X:K i :LP™ :†@:1 C n :9 j v7 :K • :L` ai :˘Le :9?:X:K T i Q:”Y:o S within 6th of June and by the time we reached in this House. ‹ R 5 U E B reasonable opportunity not given.:†O ja :o4 ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E ‹ B 5 R ‹ c ‹ P y we were not given the opportunity :o:Le4 i :†O ja ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 B B B p P R ‹ :argument :?>?:…SS :1:XO C 4E :wx@:L4 ] X i : consider :KOS• :”XO•V :f>>:X:´?9 ] 3p :1n : of being heard 6 B B B B ãR } R PQ•vE p B P T :JY:X:”>gŒmOC VO vÑ :”@:f94 j4E :1:Ln ] 2:Ò‡:oVW O :o4 :K:gOO4 m3 O :L V :fx@:…:č9v S 4 j{• Š 9:KS :Le i ?:2: V ”9 OR U B 6 H B U Pt 6 c ‹ Pb¼ p }R R PP H •Š :?>@:KOSOOTSS :s9™4 R ::rgm’ :´2:X:1:´?947 ] O C 3p :1:K n T :L•a ` :…:1:9S n • ^ :o4 :L ƒ]œ • É:L :K:Lš`: Q[ :w‡ ‰:o @dLš•P `’O B B B B ‹ \R I think for the reasons I have stated above :9jP :1:XC V :f>>:LV :”@:KB OOPTS :K P j 4 U :s9t ™4 R :´?9 3 Sp :X:1Le 4E n i : point :@g® >Y:@?93Sp : and I will not repeat as it is not fair. consistently in 2009, 2010 and 2011 before vacancy of Leader of Opposition occurred and after vacancy, they consistently have been :KOPQ : shown as Government benches as per Senate Secretariat record B G B B B B 6 ¼H :~?zST XvE :9 jOPµ2:¥9VQ „ :X:”@:‡V avR :?>@:LV 2: V change :LšÜ] ?Y:L V : letters :XV :”X4 E : :XV :”@:”XS i :9 ja4b 6 6 ¼H P B B l B that is not fair. :1:”X:9n Sija4b :KO Q :X: ] :Lš•Š :L V :€94E ¦ :~?zO j E :9jOPµ :K:X:”@:?>@:LšV •Š :L V :€4 E 9 ¦ Sir, there is a long string of authorities of Superior Courts regarding the imperative necessity of providing an opportunity of hearing. You know that better than me. Sir, let me just cite this
170 vide Annexes 45, 46 and 47 sir, they all relate to the opportunity of being heard. G B PPC P BB6 6 this is 2005-SCMR 85, :KOTS :Lš•V :;O v :X:fx@:LVv ] :K O Q :X 4 E :Annexures :”X•OOPC :LV :”X • P C :1O C B P L] :K:1:O Q O C PLJ-2009, Supreme Court 1049, PLJ-1986 LAH 334 6 U PT6 G 6 P T 7 :1n ::KOOSS :L] 2:¬9:X:f9:M@:´?9V 47 CCV 4 „ :L V :´?9 „ ::1:?>@:KO C :Lš • Y: Annexure 45, 46, 47 opportunity of being heard is an essential part of this process and should have been provided to us and we didnãt have that 6 B P :X4E :1n :”X:9S i jiS 9v [ :9 j \ ^ :1:KO C O Q:@g® >Y opportunity sir. 6 I mean as I said you opted for this thing but I Lei :9C 2V : empower :XV :fx@v am amazed what my colleagues are giving as reasons to market B B PQ V p i B P•R :Lei ?:=?:KO :9Oj7 Y:;:…:1S n : I canãt understand dLše• 9:92:Kv[ C V O :1X:fx@:1O CV v n : the idea let me cite you sir, Section 21 of the General Clauses Act 1897. KOPTS 6 B :KOOOPQ :M@:KB P C :”9•OR :L] :K P Q :?>@:L yŠ :L @XE :L V :M@:These are my Annexures 49 to 51 U B KOPTS :L•l :¥:: Q Annexures 48, 49, 50 and 51.:KOOOPTSS :Lš] Y:X:fx@:LV v ] :K P Q dK P T :L a uµ Sir, Parliament being a supreme and sovereign body, it has an inherent power to take any decision in national interest and based on natural justice inline with established democratic principles and parliamentary practices and conventions. It cannot be justifiably argued that the Chairman cannot review an opinion which is ex facie legally and factually unsustainable. Moreover the principle, you referred to in the morning, locus paenitenti ae laid down in Section 21 of the General Clauses Act, 1897. B PQ dLei :99OC › Š :Annexure 48 :L] :KO :9D :M@: That gives you a power sir. That the power to issue a notification or order includes the power to add, amend vary or rescind till a decision, a decisive step is taken, would also be attracted and
171 applicable in the instant case as no professional right is created by an illegal order. B 2000-SCMR 907, 1999-SCMR 2089, PLD-1992 SC :Lei :;‡O?:] ü] :KOPQ :M@ 6 U 6 B ‹ B P P P B P P :¾2v7 :XV :”@:KOOQ :X ] :K TS 9v[ :fx@:2v l @: 49, 50 and 51 :KO TS :L] 9 ›ŠAnnexures :KOOC :L] :K:1: Q O C 207 t 6 dLei :sv 9D :1O C :otherwise :”XSi :9jO7 Y Mr. Chairman: I will go through them myself. These are all the judgments of the Superior Court. I will read it. ‹ B P B ‹ c ‹ y :?>@::KO TS :Lei ?:1•^ :XV :fx@:1v O C ! f94 j4E d Iãll skip sir Lei :†jaR ::?@Y:ˆ9H @:z3b :g mjO POj O ’ B ‹‹R c sir, the whole process :KOPTS :Leiyƒ ?:KB y :L :L¦ XE :´2:o47}4 :fx@:?>@:Lev i :o?:X:s@g pSOS i t mÑ :~2:L` 4 7 a b you have faced yourself as lawyer and advocate for Asif Ali Zardari B B B R 6 B U 6•ƒjvE 6 :´Y:KOOP• :9LeCji :9Œ„ :´Y:á>?:ojŠ •v7 @:KgB P Q mj O vE :9 j™ V :1:9n R :@X:ªSSi4 O :o ã OR :9 ™j R :@X:9 i V : Sahib. OOOB P•R 6 PLD-1999 Karachi :Lei :=>:?>@: Am I right sir?Lei :KO 9:LeOC i : maintainable ˘9 jŒ„ dLei :Annexure 52 :1O C ::54, Asif Ali Zardari Vs Federation of Pakistan. U G B Pn p P t H 6 bc P :?>@:fx@d9v Z :”>2V :cite :;O :9D :fx@:XvV :oS :fx@:K v O Q :1n :s X:oSi X E :€\4R :2:JV ŒOC Y:1:L`O C a :KO Q :M@ U PT PQ This is Constitutional Petition No.D1574 :dKO S :L] X:Siappear :KO :M@:?zOjE :N94j• @ Second dLei :2v7 :page-2:LV :M@:of 1997 decided on 20 th December, 1997. u d:KOP™ OC Y:2:v7back :sV :page ‹ 5 R U E B Can I move do4 :dLei :†O ja :dLei :head note c and d :1O C ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E forward sir. • B B B B PQ ‹ ‹ c ‹ P y :˘?zOjE :N94jTC• @:d:Lei :9?:x@:‡S ‚] :r9::KO :½>2E :~g¹•y :´2:94 7 D :fx@:v :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj P Pn B U B R :1n :KOTS :Lei ?:1 •^ :XV :fx@:àX:Xv Š 4 E :wx@:dLe 4 i :;O :1:O C for petitioner ~?@Y??:2Œ4C X4] @:?>@::†OOj7 9C d:ªv @:d:ˆ>?9 Ù B B UBUU ‹ 6 R B :1¶ÐOO•§ :X:L4E ]•V :M@:1 n :Ll :½—:L[ :KB OPQ gmj vE :?>@:L • l:KOOPQ :f?XV :opS :fx@:dLv • Œ „ :KB y :K P • review :9jv7 @:fx@v B ] ‹ § you :?>@:Lei : reviewable :LšÜ ?Y:L V :f?X:1V ¶ÐO• :9:M@:?>@:D he has to review it Lei :9OjV U 6 G B 6 œq 7 p PQ 6 B PQ U vE I would like :2:Lv7 ƒj :M@:Lš • Y:1•^ :oSO :KO :ï>g ® :fx@:1v n :9™R :N9O j E :X:@g] mA ! €94 E ¦ :KgO mjO :won. G R 6 :€F4 :àXŠ :€4 y :fx@:2v v7 :M@::˘”XS i :9 jŒ„2V : review :KOPQ :1n : to use my prerogative to say
172 6 You have been through this process Mr. Chairman yourself, KO7 2V :€ q 6 ¼H 6 :1n :”X:9Sija4b :KOPQ :X ] as Advocate of Mr. Asif Ali Zardari in case PLD-1999 B 6 6 B 6R 6 •E G R 6 You must have dL•Œ„ :K:KByPOO• :1:Kn P TS :L •i Œ „ :K:fx@:1:Le B y v n :s9:X:… t 4[ Si :€F 4 :X:z ] · 4] :L V :M@ prepared yourself and you must have proved to the Sindh High Court that you mean business, only then you could succeed in getting the relief. U B Sir, shall I skip the Annexures :d9Z :”>94 [ :2v7 :next point :KOPQ :f@4 ! f94 j4E ‹ B B B ddddddLl :KOPµ :¾2:YXv7 E :”9:9C • ^ :L ] :fx@:v 49, 50, 51 and Section 21 ‹ U B d9Z :”XŠ :¾2v7 :KOPQ :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Right sir. Now, I take you to Annex 53 and 54. Sir, 53 is 1998-SCMR 2268 and the Annex 54 is 2007-SCMR 1759. P V U E B ˚KO TS :2v7 :point :; :1O C ::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B ‹ c ‹ P y :X4E :Lei 24A General Clauses Act 1897 :1O C ! f94 j4E ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj 6 U R dddddo } st XSi :insert :KOPQ :1997 :1 n Mr. Chairman: It should be a speaking order. Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Exactly obviously. It is conferred by an enactment on any authority, office or person; such powers shall be exercised reasonably, fairly and justly. In my opinion, it needs review that is why I have cited these three cases. I will not take your time to read, you have said you would read Annex 53 and 54 yourself. Mr. Chairman: These are judgments by Justice Wajih-ud- Din Ahmed. That is a very good judgment he has written. He is the author, I have seen.
173 Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, now I take you to annexure 55. 6 6 PTŒB y P T Œ PQ V 6 B :?>@: legal :1O C :9D :fx@:?>v @:KOOSS :L•„ :K:˘K :L • „ 2:V review :fx@:1v n :KO : support :s :f94C :M@ ! f94 j4E B U I will take you to Annexure 55.Ly :L Š @X::M@:˘LeE i :¸:oE •OPC x@ •Û 6 B U E B dLei :9|vE X:Sidiscuss :ª4 :X] :1O C :˘Lei :CPC :1O C ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 B B B 7B B P C PQ B ‹ c ‹ P y :”X9:92:”9Siv[ CV O j 47 :KgOOO m vÑ :K :½g: À quickly :2v7 :M@:K O ! f94 j4E ::?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj U B Order 47 Rule 1 of the :˘Lei :s t9:s9:L›Š vt D ] :K:s:;:OPQ V 4E under Section 144 :1n :9 Z B PQ dddddLei :99OC › Š :2:v7Annexures 55 :L] :KO :Code of Civil Procedure, 1908 6 BBB }RV 6 } R6 } R PQ •Û B P U E B do :s:f9:o4C4 :L] :€94 E ¦j™• :”9O q :?>@:9R :9^ :o 4 :YX:LE ] :KO :ª4 :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E B B U B 6 R B ‹ c ‹ y :1¶jœq :9D :appeal :½—[ :LV :order :M@:˘9™R :9 • ^ :o}4 :YXE :L] :fx@:o:v 4 5 :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj U U B B R B U R :XV :fx@:ov }4 @:X4 E :?>@:Lei :st XS i :discover :˘Lei :st x@:L • q 9„ :evidence o•7:X4E :Obviously :dLei :K OP• 6 B 6 B U PC P•R }R P•R B R P Q t :1:@gO C ÞO :dLŒ „ 2:K V O :access :fx@:9:ov OC :KOO :č94 jŠ 9:L { ƒ• É:K :knowledge :LV :fx@:Xv 4E :?>@:Le i :s 9™^ Y B B E P T 6 B E c ˘Lei :9OOjl :9 j V :disenfranchise :X:KV4 :KOS :f@g¨ :g4 m3 :X:´?9 ]3 Sp :X 4 E :1n :Lei I believe that these are three core reasons why you have the authority to review your order. Now, I take you to my last Annexure i.e. Annexure 56. Sir, this is 2003-SCMR 1221 and PLJ-1986 LAH-334. B PQ dLei :head note åCç :9D :M@:dLei :legible :1O C ::KO :N9OjE :´g O mA åRight of a party to claim a review of final judgment or order of a court, judicial or a quasi-judicial tribunal in a substantive matterç 6 U R 6 V B R t ˘La :Le i ?:2V :f94C :s :substantive ::€4 E 9¦’™ :~?94 :s94 R :´?9 3 Sp åwas not available in the absence of a provision in the relevant status, cases of fraud, malafides and defect of jurisdiction generally stood on a different footing as fraud vitiated in most solemn proceedings.ç
174 BB B B 6 U B 6 ‹ B PT P tPQ t :¾2:YXv7 E :fx@:1vn :99‡:YXOC Q  E :1 ¿ C Xv E :L] :fx@::˘K v O S :case laws :L• `:´?9[ „ :1:dLeOOC i :s9 ›Š :L ] :KO ::s9:1:X v D C ] B Rule 237, :1:99‡:Ln C Q  ] : Leader of the House : ´?93Sp : obviously : ?>@: Ll : K OPµ O B 6 R B discretionary power is to be read in line :˘92:KC V OP• :X:”>gVO m vÑ :substantive B 6 P 6 ¼H P on top of everything I :‡avR :?>@:K O TS case laws :L•7 @:1:”X:9O C Si ja4 b :K:O Q with other B B PQ B }R ^ you won :˘9OjV :case file:†O C @:KO :1997 :YXE :L] :fx@:€v 4 4E :˘X:1:M9:´g Si CvC O mA :o4 :Jv F :1 n :think the case and the case is exactly same what we are talking today. ‹ t 6 E :˘Lei :right :M9:LvCV :s?9 ™ R @:;4 :You have the right. Nobody can take it away. 6 B V •ƒ{ PQ 6 B remedy is always there.:s :M@::X] :Lei :o :KO :M@:2l @:1n :Le i :?9OjP[ @:=>:M9v C :L V :M@ So, Mr. Chairman, I am extremely grateful for your patience and I am grateful to all my honourable colleagues. I think I have tried to be very short and brief and I have taken out all the annexures which were already presented to you by other learned speakers. UU ‹ ‹ 6 B B G B B :LV :¬22O7 7 ŒOjy :fx@:˘X:f?>g:svSiÀVtt :fx@:s9 v v D :sX VvV :˘gO mÑ :?>@:sX t :2 l @:1n :9 Z :”> 2V :M?@2 l :K OPQ ! f94 j4E U bc B dKOPC 9‡:L`Q  a :Lš Ü ] ?Y I think I have provided everything and anything about which I have spoken. Mr. Chairman: Everything is legible whatever you have given me. 6 B B B V 6 •Fc B PQ ‹ c ‹ P y because of the :s:f9:g4C¨ :2:JX:”9:LV 4 E 4] 4 [ ] : KO : :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj limited time. I would have loved to speak more and it was my right and I should have been allowed but I can see obviously, everybody 6 B B speaker-wise :X:L]] :K:˘KOPQ O P S T :L Š X: 4 ] learned members :X4E :X 4 E :´?9 3 Sp ! f94 j4E :is tired. B U 6 B }R P P with reference to what I :9™R :9 jO7 Y:f@X4 4E :9 D :point :†@:†@:oOOC C 4 @:L] :KOOQ :dK TS ::L • Š :notes B U 6 B 7 ‹ B P•^ R bc B Œ jŠ :LÉ•] @:L 9:2:1:?9:K4[Qv7 CO :‡av :L` a ::X:9] OO jkV :9O] @:1:Le n i :N9 j E :@gO mA :KO : have presented to you. 6 dLy :”XP„ >Y
175 Sir, I am grateful for your patience and for everyoneãs cooperation. Thank you very much. 6 G ‹ B B t 5 U E B d€•q :=?zjv7 :½g À ! €94 E ¦ :s@X:o:d12˜ 4 O C Œ„ :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E 6 • B R PB Œ Š ‹ B PC B B B B •‘ c ‹ P y :†@:LO C ƒ•O É:L y :M@:KO Q :KOj :€•q :;4 :=?z jv7 ! f94 j4E : :s@Xt ˜ :”9:…[ @:z3b :g mjO Oj U 6 6 B B B B 6 :½gÀ :@gO mA :˘K OPC94[ XSi :divorce :àX:´?9Š„™• :€\4R :1n :9R :9^ :L] :KOPQ :1 n :9:à2:g D47 m :o>:d”>Y:9pS j y :X: ] joke 6 6 P 6 6 ‹ G 6 :½g:@gÀO mA :˘KO TS :Le•i ?:€y >Y:´?9„ :€ \4 R :X:L] V :€4 E 9 ¦ :?@Y:˘•@:¸9 „Qj 9:dLe i :9iS ?: lieutenant :†O C @ U PT l Õ dKO S :L• :LÉ ƒ[ :´?9„ :o9:˘Le4 C i :9O j l :=?:lieutenant :†O C @ 6 7B P‹ B B P 7B B I :1n :Lei :1:X:†@:dK2:1:KO C] O C OOOV C Q :€•q :=?zjv7 :˘K TS :miscellaneous :KO gO mvÑ :>Y ! f94 j4E B B 6 B • B :ˆ?@?::X4E L] :K OPQ :1n :”X:9S i j[jiS 9v :9O P µ :;@>:Î9v] Ï Š @:LÉ • 7 @:K O P Q:need to make the record straight B B B 6 ëC  BBBBB6 ‹ q P Q ƒ •q B :dLei :o 9:o9Q·q :2:?Xv7‰ :=z99:L{ ±C4 y :”@:?>@:99OOO Cj47 :X:”@:˘9 V äCjD 2:˘9@X v 7 Ô j :”9 47 :9 :”@:L ]V :KO :d9 • ^ :¸ · :L :”9 [ BBBBG B B 6 Õ B PTc B œO] P • R :€y >Y:´?9„C• :o9:L4 V] :”@:1n :9^ :L :”X\R @:dKOOS :g4 m3 :L V :K ?X@:=>:1v ] n :9 •· ^ :K :č9‚• :1O C :L ] :”X \ R @ U B B B U G •7 P B œ]B :dLei] :~Y:L @?:ov @:”9ST >:L ] :”X\R @:?>@:L •ƒl :L[ É :K O Q:KO ?X@v] B Š ] ƒ B U E B ˚Lei :9OjV :next point :9D :fx@:˘LeviŠ :s :L :;v @>:L ] :fx@:Lš v • [ É ::KOPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B 6 • B PQ ‹ y 6 B t B B •‘ c ‹ P y :L] 2:r9:KV DO ::€O•POj :1n :Le i :1:f9:~g>YO C 4 C ® ! f94 j4E ::s@X˜ :”9[ :… @:z3b :g mjO Oj B B ‹ 6 PQ ‹ B On behalf of :dLei :9OOjD™V :r9:9v 5 @:€\4R :K:N9O j E :´gO mA :L ] ä½9jy :áj7 ?X?v] ã: LŠ @> everybody, I really appreciate them. They have done a wonderful B B B B B 7^ P ™^ ^ Š :r9D :9 j v7 @:2V :´Y: extra time :L] :”X\R @:1¿C XO • V :K2:JOOV vF :9:KOC ?:r9 · ] @:J v F :fx@:Lšv • :L V :M@:?>@:job. 3uQ d9OjV :¥ Mr. Chairman: All this is going in your fifteen minutes. U ‹ B ‹ B dKOPST :L•l :=?:€•q :13 :˘KOPTS :LÉŒ[ X:€Si •q :>Y BB 6 • B B 6 G B RB R B •‘ c ‹ y ::dK2:1:X:9OOO7VC] kO] @:fx@:1v n :Lei :M?@2:dK l P• :f94 j 4E :K P • ::s@Xt ˜ :”9B [ :… @:z3b :g mjO POj U B 6 6 B B •q Í B PQUvE B P • R 6 }•V ‹ cut off :o : 19 :1n :9Ojl XSi :ª @>:f@:X:14 ] O C ! KgOOmjO :f94 j4E :dL] 2:KV :Ò@g mÁ @:o4 :€94 E ¦ :?@Y dLei :date Dar sahib was kind enough to give the acquiescence.
176 Mr. Chairman: Acquiescence to? 6 • B U B •‘ c ‹ y :electoral college :o•q : 19 :1n : Acquiescence :s@Xt ˜ :”9B [ :… @:z3b :g mjO POj 6 R do} :deadline :Lš•Š :L V 6 B B 6 B PQ B ‹ c ‹ P y dddddX] :w‡‰ :M@:˘9™R :9O j V :quote :XV :”@:L] :K O ! f94 j4E :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj th B nd B B B P U E B :dLei :19 May :Lei :9j\^ :9 D :fx@v :˘Lei :2 May :Lei :9j\^ :1O C :9 D :”@ : KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar: Sir, evening of 2 nd May, to be fair. U B B G 6 • B •q B B B B •‘ c ‹ P y :o : 19 :1n :9•^ :L] :”X\R @:1 n :Le i :1:M?@2:f@O C l 4 ! f94 j4E ::s@Xt ˜ :”9[ :… @:z3b :g mjO Oj UUB B U PQVV6 ‹ P T}4R B 6 P • R •7 c t :M@:KO :˘s :f9:X4C|[j 4E :s :Y?9O] ?:dK OS 9:ov :9OPµ :L] @?:fx@:2@:9vl j Œ „ :´Y:K O :L ] @?:o v @:oYx@:s XV :z· 4] :L V B B G B Z R 6 6 Š 6 V PQB ŒjŠ 6 B P • R :¥ :XV :ª?9:O C 18 :€4 4E :1n :”X:92:Ò‡ Si CV W :Lš• :L V :€ y @YY9:sO C :fx@:Kv OO:KO :9j[CiS 9:92:Kv V :=?9>Y:X4 C V B B B B B V PQ 7 B B ] :†O C @:1n :s : request :L] :”X\R @:=z{ 9± 94 C :KO ::M@:˘Lš ] Y:2V :–: papers :L• É @:XV :fx@:Lv ] :”9[ :€ 4 O•• B U B B B V‹ y •q B i P•R :s:€O•POj :=z99:X:o{ ±4 C V : 18 :1O C :d9OC Y:XV :”@:L] :fx@:?>@:Lšv • e 9v [ :KO @: time :9D :=Y9?:LOO Cy :M@:9: C week U B B l B dL• :LÉ ƒ[ :g9:YXS T 4CE :fx@:zv· 4] :L V :M@:d9Y:O C time :XV :”@:L] :fx@:?v >@:Lei :@XSi :receive :Ly :½‡ ‰ ‹ PQ V PQ y B P U E B :”9•OR :KO :X:V 21 :˚”X:9SiOjl :g9:X:S T4 C V date :; :K O ! €94 E ¦ :~227 ŒOj : :KO Q gmjO v :f94 j4E B B 6 R When notification was :dLei :9jV :order :L] :Acting Chairman sahib :€4 4E :9™R :K OP• B O th :¥|] :KOP Q :X:;V OP4C :issued, I was not in Pakistan. I think I went out on 20 . B 6 B R E 6 d9™R :99:o C4 [ }4 :L] :fx@:Kv OPQ :;4 :I went for a bilateral visit to Poland :d9™R :9 j l B O ‹ p ‹ c ‹ y dLV :?Xav5 :KOP3S :?@Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO POj B BB B G 6 • B R 6 P y B B B B •‘ c ‹ P y :˘Lei :~Y:L ] :”X\R @:X4 E :X V :ª?9:O C18 :˘KO j :M?@2 l ! f94 j4E :s@Xt ˜ :”9[ :… @:z3b :g mjO Oj B B t B B :maintain :fx@:Xv 4E :2v7 :file :M@:9:LeOOCi :9Y:s9?:dLe C4 C i :9OC Y:time :XV :”@:2v7 :?X ‰ :=z{ 9± 94 C :L] :fx@:2v v 7 >@:L V :M@ B B 6 PQ R B B ŒjŠ P T :contact :Ly] :fx@:Lv :KO :‡av :z· 4] :L Vi :M@:dLe :9Y:OC time :2:?Xv7‰ :=z99:X:”@:L{ ±4 C V ] :fx@:Kv O :KO S :L ] 2 V B B B B B Š B PQ U vE B :2:”9v7 •O R :”9 D ?@:?‡Üq :1n :9Y:LšO C • :M@:L ] :fx@:v time :=> ! KO gmjO :f94 j4E :d9Y:O C time :?>@:L] :fx@:?>@:9v OjV U 6 B B P™uOC V B B 6 ‹ R P•R :9™uµ :X:fx@:çVvE :X4 E :˘K O Y:L] @?:s :”9:M9 [4 j ‘ :fx@:2@:1 v l n :Le i :1O C :f9:~2:L4C 47 y :€4 y :dL a ::KO :YX 4E X q B B B B B B Œj§R Œ j § :9OjV :XV :”X4 E : 4:Ly :”zjŠ :X:fx@:;Vv OO :=>:L ]i :”X \R @:dLe :w?Y:g4 4 m3 :; :2:?X:=z99:2:M@:˘Lv7 ‰ { ±4 C v 7 ie :9O j l
177 6 6 6 Š B R 6 :ouv[ X:2Y:€SiO7\4R :1:9njCj•l :994 7 :X:fx@:”9 V vOR :€:K4 4 E B ŒOj :L] 2:1:1 V C ¶ ÐO•§ :o} 4 :z · 4] :L Vii :M@:fx@:Le v :9 j Œ „ X Si :dLe OOB 6 6 B PP•QjR •×] V P7 Q § ‹ 4R :d9jiS 9:99:Kv [ C4 [ OOOO :K :¥ O :s :M@:K :dK2:1V¶ÐO• :2:?X:~?X:fx@:˘Lev 7 ‰ § v i :9Oj l :9OjV :lay :€4F :˘Lei B 6 alliance with JUI or alliance with : 1 n ! f94 j4E : Lei : 1O C : : f94 C : ~g® >Y B uC 6 ‹ :1:Kn OOP™O Y:Ly @:X:K] P TS :Le i ?:2:V reveal ::fx@:2@:X:M@:Lev l Vi 9•^ :L ] :€4 E 9 ¦ :?@Y:1n :X4 E : Government ‹ 6 6 G :PML (N):X] :Lei : alliance :2l @:?>@:Lei : alliance :½ g:†@:?>@:LeÀ Ci :9X::¥9CSi Q „ :KOP Q :s?9:†@t C C 6 OO6 v U R 6 R 6 :˘Ll :KOOOPµ :JŒOC Y:K P Q :z·4] :X:M@:˘KV P TS :L ] X:á@:LS iµ y :M@:=>:?>@:o} :1Ð E :9:€XD q Œ [ :JUI :˘o} :1ÐE :9:€XD q Œ[ uC B ‹ B B dKOOP™O Y:1:KC P Q :€•q :=?zjv7 :´gO mA :Ly @:fx@v 6 B B yPP P R U E B d”X:9?:KSi ST :KOOOQ :˘KS T ?:L] 2:fx@::KV v • :KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B 6 • B R B B •‘ c ‹ y :Lš•Š :L V :resignation :˘Lei :KOP• :w‡‰ :M@ ! –@>:f 4 9j4E ::s@Xt ˜ :”9B [ :… @:z3b :g mjO POj U G G B 5 B resignation is :1n :9Z :”>2V :;OPvC :XV :fx@:=>:•@¸9v k ]S @:KOOPQ ˘K P TS :sX:st i V :éŽ 4 : authorities :L] :K OPQ B R 6 Pn dLei :@X:XSi V :ª?9:;O C O @:X4 E ::very very important Sahib t V U E B must supply to Dar also.:sv 9D :†O C @:s :M@::KB OPQ gmjO v :f94 j4E B B ‹ c ‹ P y dLei :M9vC :´gO mA :˘–@>:f94 j 4E : ?@: Y:ˆ9’H @:z3b :g mjO Oj B B ^ R U B :=9v[ :9 j O7 Y: authorities :JvF :2:v7 resignation :1:KnOOPTS :Lei ?:1 • ^ :=>:K P • : :KB OPQ gmjO vE :f94 j4E dKOPTS :Lei ? 6 B 6 • B •E V 6 B B •‘ c ‹ y :XSi :… :rights :LV :o¢ :˘Le i :92:C Vtrigger :=> ! –@>:f94 j4E ::s@Xt ˜ :”9B [ :… @:z3b :g mjO POj U B BBB 6 U B V •q P C R 6 Pn Š PT 7 :s :o :;O @::f@:dLe4 i :9Y:OC resignation :X:ª?9:;VO C O @:L] :”X \R @:Lš • :M@:˘KO S :L ] X:S i rights :L• :2 V R U G c :74 and opposition :LV : treasury :1n :KOOPµ :JŒOOC Y:fx@:ov }4 :K P Q :M@:˘Lei :o •l :sV :;Pv C :L` a b : list :X 4E 26 and then you kindly go to Page No. 3 and you will find :½gÀ :L V B B B 6 PQP Q BB :K O :1n :9Y:1OC • ^ :L] :†@:LO C y :KO :”9 D ?@:Y@?x@:X:”@:X:] ] that there are nine independents B B B ÕP•R p ‹ Š eight, they :o 94C :?>@:9O C Y:KO :oS :f>>:L] :”X\R @:Lš • :M@:˘”XS i :1ÐE :9 D : treasury benches BBB P ‹ :€4 E 9¦ :”9 [ :”X9O] 3 SOp :†@:LO C y :KQ :Jx@:”@:R have opted to vote for one or the other. voted for Dar Sahib and the other seven opted to vote for Moulana B 6 B P }R dLei :~?>g:€À \4R :1:1O C ¿ C XO•V :KO µ :2:Vnote :fx@:ov 4 :XV :M@:Abdul Ghafoor Haideri.
178 BB6 B B E P P R ‹ B ‹ B :;4 :L]• :KOOQ :˘LŒ„ :´Y:K • :f>>:1:1O C n ::9•^ :L ]•V :”X\R @:Lš Š :L :Y@?x@:?>@:99:f@ C Ù 4 ! –@>:f94 j4E they have every right, nobody can de-:˘KOPTS :Lš] Y: arguments :KOPQ : detail :w‡ ‰ B G U B G B U V P•R PvC t P•R PvC B t P Q :˘s :KO :;O :citation :sXV :˘9OOjl :9 j V :KOO :;O :”X9:sX:K] ± V :M@:franchise their rights, B B G U P•R }•V R P•R PvC t ¢V R dLei :KO :@X:oSi 4 :L ƒ• É:L y :M@ ?>@:9OjV :KO :;O :record :s XV :9D :Parliament :o :Lƒ• É:L y :M@ So, those rights are their basic rights and they can not be de- franchised. Sir, once the opinion has been announced, you have created the right by declaring Moulana Ghafoor Haideri as the Leader of the Opposition, or you have to look it back whether you can take your own announcement and the ruling and the right that you have created in this House, whether you can take it back or not. B the biggest argument is that whatever :z·4] :LV :M@ ! –@>: f94 j4E documents those which were prepared within the scope and the function of Senate, those are quite relevant, admissible because under the Evidence Act, those are made for the functioning of BBB6 B U 6 R6 R 6 • P•R R 6 t B :€\4R :Ly :ª?9:JOOOCvE :9:ª?9:JO C C v E :1n :Le i :g9S T :X:Le] i :KO :ª?9:sX:2:¸@?x@:”@:C V v72 l @:=> —{ :LV :M@:Senate. B B B B V B PT R :9OjV :opinion form :9jv7 @:”Y:;:L] :fx@:1v n :Le i :92: C Vdetermine :1:LO C ] :fx@:f@:dKv 4 O S :LÉ Œ[ :´Y:L ƒ • É 6 6 RB B 6 R Page No. :LV :fx@:=>:˚ov} :gO mvÑ :9jV :L •Vq 9 „ :L :fx@:X:L v ] ai :Le ?:2:Vform :€4 4E :XV :opinion :M@:?>@ BBO U U B RB R :fx@:Xv 4E :Kg O7O m vÑ :~?9„ :=>:1¿¶4C :Lei :K O PPP• :o9:sX:Kc [ t V O Q :M@:˘Le i :K O • : error :st XV :˘Lei : declared :2v7 : 2 • U B B B 6 B 6 p • 7 B c P PT V :LV :fx@:f?Xv Û :o>:˘9S OjV :?9 •ê @:9:L D ]]• @?:ov @:L :”@g4 m3 :L[ `:1n :KO S :s :declare :2v7 :Page No.2:L ] B B B B R c B :opinion form 9jv7 @:L] :fx@:Lv y :f94 kE :oH @:˘Le i•V :Lq 9 „ :L :fx@:o v } 4 :list :sV :”@gB 4 m3 :; OPC @:˘Lei :L • q 9 „ B B B •7 B c B ãR :ov @:2V :x@:on the floor of the Senate :2:?Xv7 ‰ :=z{ 99:L±4 C ] :”@g4 m3 :Y@?x@:o @:z · 4] :L V :M@:dL ei :9OjV U B G B • U E3PSSp6 6 PPœ 3T p c B O] p :¸:9:LD ]iy @?:KOOO :˘Le :½—jE @:L :€Xq Œ [ :K :˘KS :g4 m3 :L V :K ?X@:…:1:Lev ] S n i] :9OjV :?9 •ê @:9 D :L @? 6 U B B ¢V } R p X:Le]iy :9jav5 X:Lv ] :?>@:o :o4 :2::M@:2@:dLev7 l i]]•i :~Y:L @?:1:LO C :…:LšS Š :M@:?>@:Le you have complete liberty and discretion at the same time to call those people to your own office and get their opinion further if you want.
179 Sir, this is all I have said, I will rest my case on it and will humbly submit that this will be the part of my prayer that the announcement that was made, the opinion that was formed candidly, justly for the substantial justice, that should be upheld in the same spirit as you have conducted this whole process. Thank you very much. Mr. Chairman: Thank you Swati Sahib . Thank you everyone. B U 6 B 6 :=>:X] :sl XS i :s t 2V : legislation :~?>gÀ :st XV :2l @:?>@:s l XS i :f9:2:C v 7 address :LV : President :¥D :f@4 G 4 B 5 G R B G R :LÜŽ ` :X:€VF4 :2:f9v74 »E :LV :€94 E ¦ :?z ¦ :1:K2:;X:d9:X:Kn OO7 V ˜ V Z S i P • : Question Hour :dLl :KO7 2 V U 4R ‹ •Û D 6 d9:X:L`ZSi b :MY:L ß ?9 „ ::ª4 :¥:M—4 [ @:f@:dL4 ] 94 [C :9Y:2:O Vwind up :† C ------[The House was then adjourned to meet again on Thursday, the 23 rd June, 2011 at 10:30 a.m.) ------
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