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Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Social And Third Session – Forty-Second Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development Chairperson Mr. Doyle Piwniuk Constituency of Turtle Mountain Vol. LXXV No. 7 - 6 p.m., Wednesday, April 14, 2021 ISSN 1708-6698 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Second Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ADAMS, Danielle Thompson NDP ALTOMARE, Nello Transcona NDP ASAGWARA, Uzoma Union Station NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian Keewatinook NDP CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy, Hon. Kildonan-River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Roblin PC EICHLER, Ralph, Hon. Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne, Hon. Lac du Bonnet PC FIELDING, Scott, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP FRIESEN, Cameron, Hon. Morden-Winkler PC GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GORDON, Audrey, Hon. Southdale PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah, Hon. Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg, Hon. Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek, Hon. Interlake-Gimli PC JOHNSTON, Scott Assiniboia PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan Selkirk PC LAMONT, Dougald St. Boniface Lib. LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya Notre Dame NDP MARTIN, Shannon McPhillips PC MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice Seine River PC MOSES, Jamie St. Vital NDP NAYLOR, Lisa Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine, Hon. Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Turtle Mountain PC REYES, Jon Waverley PC SALA, Adrien St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron, Hon. Springfield-Ritchot PC SMITH, Andrew Lagimodière PC SMITH, Bernadette Point Douglas NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Vérendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon. Tuxedo PC TEITSMA, James Radisson PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry NDP WHARTON, Jeff, Hon. Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC 245 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT Wednesday, April 14, 2021 TIME – 6 p.m. Marcela Cabezas, Louis Riel Teachers' Association LOCATION – Winnipeg, Manitoba Lindsay Vieira, private citizen CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Doyle Piwniuk Rowena Lavarias, private citizen (Turtle Mountain) Julie Ching, private citizen Nicole Peake, private citizen VICE-CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Scott Johnston Cameron Watson, Pine Creek Teachers' (Assiniboia) Association ATTENDANCE – 6 QUORUM – 4 William Taylor, private citizen Members of the Committee present: MATTERS UNDER CONSIDERATION: Hon. Mr. Cullen, Hon. Mrs. Guillemard Bill 45 – The Public Schools Amendment and Messrs. Altomare, Johnston, Ms. Naylor, Manitoba Teachers' Society Amendment Act Mr. Piwniuk * * * APPEARING: Ms. Cindy Lamoureux, MLA for Tyndall Park Clerk Assistant (Mr. Tim Abbott): Good evening and welcome to another evening of the Standing PUBLIC PRESENTERS: Committee on Social and Economic Development. Mr. Alan Campbell, Manitoba School Boards Can the committee please come to order. Association Mr. Donald Nikkel, Lakeshore School Division Our first item of business is the election of a Mr. James Bedford, Manitoba Teachers' Society Chairperson. Mr. John Wiens, private citizen Are there any nominations? Are there any nom- Ms. Lise Legal, Pembina Trails Teachers' inations? [interjection] Oh, sorry, I need to recognize Association you. Ms. Anne Lindsay, Thompson Teachers' Association Mr. Scott Johnston (Assiniboia): I would nominate Mr. Chance Henderson, Mountainview Mr. Piwniuk. Teachers' Association Ms. Anna-Maria Coniglio, private citizen Clerk Assistant: Mr. Piwniuk has been nominated. Mr. Kevin Rebeck, Manitoba Federation of Labour Are there any other nominations? Mr. Mark Behrendt, private citizen Hearing none, Mr. Piwniuk, will you please take Ms. Kelly Friesen, private citizen the Chair. Ms. Jan McIntyre, Prairie Spirit School Division Ms. Nancy Karpinsky, private citizen Mr. Chairperson: Good evening. Will the com- WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS: mittee–standing committee of social economics– [interjection] Okay. Oh, of course, he's–our clerk has Vanessa Lylyk, private citizen already gone that far. Maureen Ferley, private citizen Jerry Sodomlak, River East Transcona School Our next item of business is electing a Division Vice-Chairperson. Are there any nominations? Lynsey Lodge, private citizen The honourable Minister of Climate and Justin Rempel, private citizen Conservation–or Ms. Guillemard? Ms. Guillemard, Charlene Sacher, private citizen would you want to nominate the honourable minister Jay Ewert, Evergreen Teachers' Association Johnston for Vice-Chair? 246 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA April 14, 2021 Can everyone hear me? Can you put up your hand 'vermatim' transcript. Each time someone wishes to if you can hear me? speak, whether an MLA or a presenter, I first have to say the person's name. This is a signal that the Hansard I nominate the Mr. Nello Altomare (Transcona): recorder–to turn the mic on and mic off. MLA for Assiniboia, Mr. Johnston. Also, if a presenter has a written materials for Mr. Chairperson: Mr. Johnston? Okay, distribution to the committee, please send a file by Mr. Johnston, you're Vice-Chair–Mr. Johnston has email to the moderator, who will now distribute to all been nominated. the committee members. Are there any other nominations? Thank you for your patience and we will now Hearing no other nominations, Mr. Johnston is proceed with the public presentations. elected to Vice-Chair. Bill 45–The Public Schools Amendment and This meeting has been called to consider Bill 45, Manitoba Teachers' Society Amendment Act The Public Schools Amendment and Manitoba Teachers' Society Amendment Act. I would like to in- Mr. Chairperson: I will now call on–first presenter, form all in attendance of this provisions of our rules Alan Campbell, from the Manitoba School Boards regarding the hour of adjournment. Association. Alan Campbell, if you can–okay. Okay. I ask the moderator to invite them into the meeting. The standing committee meeting is considered– a bill–must not sit past midnight to hear public Please unmute yourself and turn your video on, presentations or consider clause-by-clause of a bill please. except for unanimous consent by the committee. Floor Comment: Okay, I'm unmuted. I just want to Writing submissions from the following people make sure– for Bill 45 have been received and distributed by Mr. Chairperson: Oh, first–I'll just call your name the committee by the following members: Vanessa first. Mr. Campbell, you can do your presentation Lylyk, private citizen; Maureen Ferley, private now. citizen; Katrinka [phonetic] Stecina, private citizen; and Jerry Sodomlak, red–River East Transcona Mr. Alan Campbell (Manitoba School Boards School Division. And there's also Lynsey Association): Good evening, committee members. It Lodge, private citizen; Josh [phonetic] Rempel– is with mixed emotions that I have here before you to [interjection]–oh, Justin Rempel, private citizen; and address Bill 45. Charlene Sacher, private citizen. In doing so, I wear two hats: the first as a locally Does the committee agree to have the documents elected trustee for my community, and the second as appear on Hansard transcripts of the–of this meeting? president of our association, being elected by the com- munity of school boards of Manitoba to bring their We need somebody to agree. [Agreed] voice to such proceedings. Public presentation guidelines: prior to proceed- For 150 years, school trustees in Manitoba have ing with the public presentations, I would like to represented the employing authority for all staff who advise members of the public regarding the process of make a difference in the lives of our communities, speaking in a committee. In accordance to the–our students and schools. From the days of the one-room rules, a time limit of ten minutes has been allocated– schoolhouses through to the dawn of cyber academies allotted for presentations, with up to another five and virtual schools, we have brought the employer minutes allowed for questions from the committee relationship to the bargaining table with our teaching members. staff. If a presenter is not in attendance when their name One size does not fit all when it comes to edu- is called, they will be dropped to the bottom of the list. cation in Manitoba, and this also applies to the com- If presenters is not on the attendance and–when the name is called a second time, they will be removed pensation, benefits and working conditions that we strive to establish locally. Important distinctions in from the presentation–presenter's list. terms of community character, program interests and The proceedings of our meetings are recorded regional economic diversity means that retaining the in order to provide a 'vermatim'–'vermated'–wait, power to bargain with one's teachers, division by April 14, 2021 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 247 division, has provided this province with the most and requirements, for no one is above the law, and all effective way to address local needs. are under the law. It is ensured that, subject to a broad framework As I hope all members of this committee well of provincial co-ordination, there remains sufficient understand, the exercise of democracy must be pro- allowance for each community
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