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LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)

Twelfth Session (Eighth Lok Sabha)

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( Fo/. XU.I1 contains Nos. 1 to 10)

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[Eighth Series, Vol. XLIII, Twelfth Session, 1988/1910 (Sakaj\

No. 4, Tuesday; November 15. 1988/ Kartika 24, 1910 (Saka)

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Oral Answers to Questions: 1-31

‘ Starred Questions Nos. 66, 67, 69 and 74 to 77

Written Answers to Questions: 31-42/

Starred Questions Nos. 61 to 65, 68, 70 to 73 31-53 and 78 to 80

Unstarred Questions Nos. 451 to 456, 458 to 502,504, 505, 53-426 507 to 569 and 571 to 681

Papers Laid on the Table 428—437

Statement Re: Fire in Loading Area and Aromatic Plant 438-439 of Mahul Refinery of Bharat Petroleum Corporation Ltd., Bombay on 9.11.1988 —

Shri Brahma Dutt

Matters Under Rule 377— 439-444

(i) Demand for a uniform Education Policy throughout 439-440 the country —

Shri Ram Pujan Patel

(ii) Demand for enquiry into reasons for delay in recovering 440 the amounts over-charged by drug manufacturing companies

Shri Santosh Kumar Singh

(iii) Demand for directives to State Governments to rescue 441 the poor people from exploitation by money lenders —

Shri Jagdish Awasthi

*The Sign f marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. (ii)

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(iv) Demand for sufficient power supply to small scale 441-442 industries and farmers in Bihar —

Prof. Chandra Bhanu Devi i (v) Demand for assistance to Rajasthan Government to 442-443 enable it to cope with the drought conditions in Barmer, Jaisalmer and Jodhpur districts —

Shri Virdhi Chander Jain

(vi) Demand for a full-fledged studio at Nagpur Doordarshan 443-444 Kendra —

Shri Banwari Lai Purohit

Re: Death of Shrimati Supriya Singh, wife of Shri Abhay 444-448 Singh, in Haryana

Discussion Under Rule 193 — 448-534 Commission reported to have been paid by M/s. Bofors 539-556 in Howitzer Gun Deal —

Prof. Madhu Dandavate 448-451 467-478

Shri V.N. Gadgil 487-492

Prof. K.K. Tewary 478-486 492-500

Shri Somnath Chatterjee 501-512

Shri Ghulam Nabi Azad 512-519

Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh 519-533

Shri Vasant Sathe 539-548

S. Buta Singh 549-556

Personal Explanation Under Rule 357 534—539

By Shri B. Shankaranand LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA people don’t listen to me ( Interruptions).

MR. SPEAKER: If you listen, everything can be done through discussion instead of Tuesday. November 15, 1988/Kartika 24, speaking in this manner. 1910 (Saka) (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: All this can be The Lok Sabha met at discussed .... you please sit down, I can give Eleven of the Clock a ruling only if I get a chance to speak. First you speak. Then they start speaking. [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] (Interruptions) [English] MR. SPEAKER: Both sides want that (Interruptions) time should not be wasted. I shall allow it as soon as question hour is over. MR. SPEAKER: Nothing goes on rec­ ord. I have not allowed anybody. [English]

(Interruptions)* Shri Mohd. Mahfooz Ali Khan.

[ Translation] PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: One minute, Sir. I want a clarification of your MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down and ruling. listen to me. If you don't sit, how can carry on the work of the House. (Interruptions)

(Interruptions) I have given a notice of privilege.

MR. SPEAKER: First you sit down. Both MR. SPEAKER: No privilege now. sides want this discussion to be held today. Why are you interrupting? Why don’t you sit THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ down? TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (Interruptions) (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): Mr. Speaker, totally false and baseless charges have been MR. SPEAKER: What can I do if you made by Mr. V.P. Singh. He must prove

** Not recorded. 3 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Oral Answers 4 these charges in the House today at 12 [English] o’clock or get out of public life. There can be a discussion immediately after the Question PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He Hour as you have said. ( Interruptions) Either used the word “ ..... " he puts the evidence before the House or he must get out of public life. ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I have not allowed anybody. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: We insist that the privilege notice against the PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He has Prime Minister be taken up. ( Interruptions) used that. He has used the word. Ask him to withdraw it. ( Translation) [ Translation] MR. SPEAKER: Why are you making so much noise? You will not gain anything by MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down Shri it. Tiwari, I think that is enough.

[English] (Interruptions)

The discussion will be under Rule 193. [English] Mr. Basavaraju. MR. SPEAKER: The question is, I have PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: What not allowed anybody. about my privilege notice? Nothing is on record.

MR. SPEAKER: No. Professor Sahib, I I have not allowed. have not allowed it. (Interruptions)

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: We [ Translation] should be allowed to argue it. MR. SPEAKER: You please sit down, I MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. Shri am standing both of you are speaking at the Basavaraju. same time.

(Interruptions) [English]

MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He has said it. He has used the word " ..... " (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER. If there is anything on MR. SPEAKER: I have not allowed record— I do not think it is— it will be ex­ anybody. punged.

(Interruptions) (Interruptions)

[Translation] PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Again he says it ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Shri Tiwari, please sit down; this discussion will come. MR. SPEAKER: I have not allowed it...

(Interruptions) (Interruptions) 5 Oral Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Oral Answers 6

MR. SPEAKER: I have not allowed SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: You have anybody to say anything. said that you will allow a discussion. Under while Rule? (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Under Rule 193. (Inter­ MR. SPEAKER: He might have said ruptions) anything. But, I have not allowed so far anybody...... PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: What about privilege? (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I have to find out if PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Ask him there are any facts. I cannot go by just to withdraw it. hearsay things like that. I have never done it and I will not ...... (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: What is there to with­ draw? There is nothing on the SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: The motion record ( Interruptions) has to be considered by you. (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: After Shri Narayan Choubey—Absent. your ruling, again he says: "yes, I say he is a "...... He said it again ...... (Interruptions) Shri Dal Chander Jain —Absent.

He said it again. Shri Bhadreshwar Tanti —Absent.

MR. SPEAKER: You might say among Shri Mohanbhai Patel —Absent. yourselves.... Shri Chintamani Jena. (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: I have not allowed anybody so far ...... ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

(Interruptions) [English]

MR. SPEAKER: Look here, I have al­ Establishment of Wind Mills ways expunged unparliamentary words from the record.If there is any unparliamen­ *66. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENAT: tary word, that will not go on record at all and SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: also I have not allowed anybody so far. Will the Minister of ENERGY be Shri Basavaraju ..... (Interruptions) pleased to state:

SHRI AMAL DATTA: He has said (a) whether new wind mills are being it... (Interruptions) designed to tap wind energy potential;

MR. SPEAKER: He might have said it. (b) if so, the details thereof; But I have not allowed it ..... (Interruptions) Shrimati Basavarajeswari ...... (Interrup­ (c) whether any experiments have tions) been made; if so, the results achieved; 7 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Oral Answers 8

(d) whether there is any proposal to in the entire country, specially in the coastal establish such wind mills in the country, belt of the country, when we are deficit in particularly near the sea coasts; and power. In this connection, may I know from the hon. Minister what is the target for the (e) if so, the number of such wind mills Seventh Plan and till now what was the likely to be established in Orissa and Gujarat achievement? Further more, I wanted to Coast? know from the hon. Minister whether he will give priority to the States where the produc­ THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI tion of power is not adequate to run their VASANT SATHE): (a) to (e). A Statement is industries and other projects. On this issue, given below. I wanted to know from the hon. Minister which are the States to be given such priority STATEMENT specially located in coastal belts.

Establishment of Wind Mills SHRI VASANT SATHE: As far as wind­ mill generation is concerned, we find now (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. Research, develop­ that windmill is useful for ment and demonstration activities are being undertaken under the co ordinated wind (a) pumping water from underground energy programme of the Department of tubewells and Non-Conventional Energy Sources. Some new designs of water pumping windmills and (b) for generating electricity in the wind electric generators have been devel­ coastal areas where adequate wind velocity oped indigenously and successfully taken is available. The potential in this country is up for field installation. very great. It is estimated that there is a potential of about 25,000 MW at our coastal (d) Yes, Sir. sides. We have already successfully set up windmill electricity generation units in (e) Thenumberof water pumping wind­ mills installed in Orissa and Gujarat are 298 Gujarat, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu and also and 94 respectively. In addition, wind farm Orissa coast. Today approximately 7.5 MW projects of total capacity 1.1 MW and 1.65 of wind electricity is generated in the country. MW respectively have also been estab­ But the potential, as I said, is very big. But it lished in the coastal areas of the two States. will depend upon the resources. We find that Additional projects of capacity 12.35 MW are particularly for the windmill, the cost is now under implementation in Gujarat. Further comparable with diesel generation and also projects will depend on the availability of with thermal generation. Therefore, it is funds. economical. And as we establish larger units, there will be economy of scale. We SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Sir, I must have in mind setting up windmills farms in congratulate our scientists and technocrats for their efforts to successfully develop the these States particularly Orissa, Tamil water pumping windmills and wind electric Nadu, Maharashtra, Kerala and Gujarat. As generators indigenously. But I regret very far as pumping of water is concerned, today much that the hon. Minister, in his statement, most of the windmills are manufactured in has replied that further projects-will depend India. More than 2000 windmills have been on the availability of funds. The entire coun­ set up in various States of the country. try is in dirth of getting energy. Our Scientists Orissa has also a leading position. Approxi­ and technocrats are developing the water mately 2200 pumpsets are working suc­ pumping windmills which can directly irrigate cessfully in various States. We, therefore, without using any power. More constant think that with improved technology, our efforts have to be provided for the windmills people in rural areas particularly will have 9 Oral Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Oral Answers 10

in tegrated use of windmills, solar energy. .... parties are allowed to set up. The cost f comes to about Rs. 15,000 and the cost of SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: power generation is less than 25 paise. Apart from windmill, what about winding up Therefore, it becomes an economic proposi­ mills? tion. In fact, we want the State Electricity Boards to consider subsidising the wind SHRI VASANT SATHE: As far as you mills also instead of subsidising electricity, can wind up. You have already started wind­ producing electricity at eighty paise and ing up various parties. giving it at twenty paise. This is causing much greater loss to the State Electricity PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: His pri­ Boards. We are taking up the matter with ority is to wind up your party. State Electricity Boards to find an integrated approach to encourage setting up of the SHRI VASANT SAT1 .: First you wind wind mills in the country. up Madhu Dandavate ?nd others and later on you wind up yourself. But that will not SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN; Sir, it is a fact generate any energy. That is the pity of it that wind blows better in the coast land, but tn the hot land there are pockets of pressures Any way, this programme, I think, is very and temperature where wind blows during a much in the interest of the country particu­ large part of the year as well as in the coast larly the rural areas—the non-conventional land. As in China, will the hon. Minister be sources of energy generated by windmills, kind enough to say that as a matter of experi­ solar, biomas and other areas. This is the ment or research, the Ministry will undertake real solution of the energy problem, the investigation to ensure that wherever there integrated approach that we are adopting. are wind mill possibilities, so far as establish­ ing them is concerned, they will be done on SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: While an­ the basis of research and experiment to swering my first question, the hon. Minister corner the possibility of creating energy was kind enough to give more details about through wind in those areas which are noton it. May I know from the hon. Minister whether the ooasts? it is a fact that the windmills that are now being installed, are owned by the private SHRI VASANT SATHE: Definitely, Sir. persons and no corporation or cooperative Actually, research is a continuous process in society has come forward to take up these this area and we are setting up wind mills in projects on a large scale in the coastal areas; those pockets, wherever wind velocity is .f so, whether there is any plan with the adequately available. Nowadays the pres­ Government to have such type of corpora­ ent structure and engineering of the wind tions or cooperatives so that more and more mills make it possible to generate power by windmills can be taken up through them in adjusting itself automatically with the the coastal belt of our country; if so, details ohange in the velocity. there of? SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN: I am talking of SHRI VASANT SATHE: The windmills the hot land. in the coastal areas are not set up by private organisations. They are mostly through the SHRI VASANT SATHE: Yes, Sir. I am State Electricity Boards like in Maharashtra, also talking cf the hot land; I am not talking of Gujarat, etc. Therefore, this will be an effort the heart. I am not talking only of the coastal done by the State Electricity Boards and also area; I am talking of the hot land. I am talking by the Corporations. But if some private of wherever wind is available. At different persons also want to set up these—they are velocities also we want to set up wind mills economical now—they will be allowed to do because we want to utilise maximum wind so. As far as farms are concerned, private power to generate pumping capacity 11 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Oral Answers 12

[ Translation] (c) if so, the details thereof and other steps Government propose to take in this SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: The regard? wind is very strong in the desert area of Rajasthan. Wind-mills have been estab­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lished at some places in the area. The Ra­ DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL­ jasthan Government has not got the full OPMENT IN THE MINISTER OF INDUS­ support of the Central Government and the TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) The Electricity Board in this matter. The drinking Punjab, Haryana & Delhi Chamber of Com­ water problem is also related to electricity. merce and Industry submitted an agenda to Work done through diesel sets is very costly. the Office of Development Commissioner Willthe Central Government issue directives (Small Scale Industry in connection with a to the State Government on the Electricity meeting. One of the poin.s in the agenda Board to solve the power problem by estab­ related to review of the definition of small lishing wind-mills? scale industries.

SHRI VASANT SATHE: This is the (b) and (c). The Government receives Government’s intention. We feel that t^e from time to time suggestions from various State Government can cut down its expendi­ Chambers of Commerce and associations ture by giving priority to wind mills. We are on matters pertaining to small scale indus­ taking up this matter-with State Govern­ tries, including revision of investment limits. ments and Electricity Boards that they These are kept in view while taking a deci­ should take initiative in this matter. Till now sion. wind mills could not draw water from more DR. G.S. RAJHANS: Sir, unfortunately, than 100feet below. The wind mills presently the reply is very evasive. PHDCCI is a very being made can draw water from the depth important organisation. I want a specific of 250 feet. We are taking up this proposed reply as to what has been their suggestion with the States so that it may be possible you and what is the reaction of the Government them to desire maximum benefit from them. thereto. [English] SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: The Cham­ ber has asked us to raise the investment limit Modernisation and Technological of both the small scale and ancillary units But Upgradation in addition to that, they have suggested other items for the agenda also. This is one of the *67. DR. G.S. RAJHANS items of the agenda. SHRIMATI MADHUREE SINGH: DR. G.S. RAJHANS: What is your reac­ tion on their suggestion? I want to know that. Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be In view of the gallopping inflationary situ­ pleased to state: ation, don’t you think it is worthwhile consid­ ering their suggestion? (a) whether the Punjab, Haryana & Delhi Chamber of Commerce and Industry SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: Sir, we (PHDCCI) has urged Government to review have received suggestions from other side the definition of small scale units to insure also not to raise the investment limit. When scope of modernisation and technological we take decision, we will definitely look into upgradation; it.

(b) if so, whether Government have [Translation] considered the suggestions made by PHDCCI; and SHRI MADAN PANDEY: Mr. Speaker 13 Oral Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Oral Answers 14

Sir, I want to know when the Government is (b) A statement is given below. considering the suggestions given by the Haryana Chamber of Commerce and Indus­ (c) Out of the proposals received, post try? Have such suggestions been received offic 3S which are actually sanctioned after from other quarters also? Increasing the scrutiny and consultation with Ministry of investment limit of small-scale units benefits Finance are likely to be opened before the rich only while the cottage and small- 31.3.1989. scale industries suffer. If any such sugges­ tion has been received, what is the (d) The permissible limit of loss is at Government’s response to it? present applicable to Special Category States also. [English] STATEMENT SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: Sir, I think the hon. Member has answered the question Number of Justified Proposals for Branch raised by the other Member. We have re­ Post Offices as per Existing Norms Re­ ceived suggestions from both the sides. We ceived from each of the Postal Circles upto are considering the points raised by both 9.11.1988. sides. Name of Circle No. of proposals Opening of New Post Offices in received Himachal Pradesh 2 3 •69. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- ASHAR: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ 1. Andhra Pradesh 56 TIONS be pleased to state: 2. Assam 40 (a) whether any proposals for the open­ ing of new Branch Post Offices have been 3. Bihar 89 received by the Directorate from the Postal Circles; 4. Delhi -

(b) if so, the number of justified propos­ 5. Gujarat 18 als as per existing norms received from each of the Postal Circles as on date, including the 6. Haryana 12 names of the places which have been rec­ ommended for the opening of new Post 7. Himachal Pradesh 7 Offices in Himachal Pradesh, district-wise; 8. Jammu & Kashmir 8 (c) the likely date by which the Post Offices would be opened at these places; 9. Karnataka 81 and 10. Kerala 80 (d) whether the condition of PLL (Per­ missible Limit of Loss of Rs. 4800 per an­ 11. Madhya Pradesh 204 num) has not been enforced in the case of proposals for Special Category States? 12. Maharashtra 48

13. North Eastern 28 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI 14. Orissa 96 GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. 15 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 15t 1988 Oral Answers 16

2 3 Government is considering fixing a target in respect of these areas. 15. Punjab - [English] 16. Rajasthan - PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR: 17. Tamil Nadu 16 Will the Minister assure the House that the target fixed by this very department in re­ 18. Uttar Pradesh - spect of these Special Category States which are mostly hilly, tribal and backward, 19. West Bengal 77 would be adhered to and all the targets so fixed would be fulfilled and the post offices 860 opened during the current financial year?

II. The Seventh proposals received from [ Translation] Himachal Pradesh are in respect of the following Places . SHRI BIR BAHADUR SINGH: Sir, tar­ gets fixed for hilly and other areas are all 1. Bela (Hamipur). fulfilled.

2. Jangal Ropa (Hamirpur). [English]

3. Chammed (Hamirpur). SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: Sir, the branch post offices and the upgradation 4. Shamirpur (Hamirpur). of the post offices which were sanctioned in the years 1982 and 1983 are still pending. 5. Chabutra (Hamirpur). Till now this has not been implemented. These are sanctioned cases; they have 6. Andora (Una). committed to do it in phases. I want to know many decades it will take to get them imple­ 7. Kheda (Solan). mented.

PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR: [ Translation] Sir, in view of the fact that the target of 75 post offices to be opened in Himachal If they want, I can give the details about Pradesh was fixed by the Department and their locations. also in view of the fact that the permissible limit of loss stands in the way, may I know SHRI BIR BAHADUR SINGH: We will from the hon. Minister whether under the examine it afresh. Special Category States, Himachal Pradesh would be exempted from the Permissible [English] limit of loss especially in view of the en­ MR. SPEAKER: Shri Indrajit Gupta. hanced emoluments paid to the postal employees which will further increase the SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: I loss in these States? have written a number of letters giving the [ Translation] locations and the number of branch post offices sanctioned; these are pending for the last five years and no reply is coming forth THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ from the Ministry. If you have sanctioned and TIONS (SHRI BIR BAHADUR SINGH): Sir, made a commitment the people, why is it that it is true that the target fixed earlier has not they are not being implemented. benefited the Special Category areas so 17 Oral Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Whether the to be examined by the Deptt. of Posts on the proposals are justified or not, I believe, is basis of the feasibility and economic viabil­ judged on the basis of certain existing ity. In the beginning of the Seventh Five Year norms. So, may I know that are the norms at Plan, the proposals which were pending with this moment, because sometimes norms go the Ministry were not examined because it on being changed from time to time. With was said that the Planning Commission and respect to the population of a particular area approved 6000 post offices to be opened or a village and the distance between the during Seventh Five Year Plan. So far we proposed branch post office and the nearest could open 898 post offices on the basis of available post office, what are the norms the changed norms. We are also deciding to fixed according to which these proposals are do away with the Permissible Limit of Loss of judged? Rs. 2400/- per annum for post office Rs. 4800/- in hilly areas etc. because of the [ Translation] problems which we were facing to open the proposed post offices in the rural areas as SHRI BIR BAHADUR SINGH: Accord­ well as in the urban areas. Then we could ing to the existing norms, there should be a open before 31 st March 1989 the remaining distance of at least 3 kilometers and the post offices fixed for the year 1988-89. In population of the area , of course, by merg­ 1989-90 the rest of the 3000 post offices will ing one or two villages should be 3000. The be opened. All the proposals are examined existing laws stipulate the limit of Rs. 2400 circle-wise and I think this will meet the for general category and Rs. 4800 for Delhi Hon’ble member’s point. and backward areas. But the present norm of Rs. 2400 and Rs. 4800 has gone up. We [ Translation] are taking a decision in this very month to remove the difficulties coming in the way of SHRI RAMSWAROOP RAM: Mr. opening new post of offices and accomplish Speaker, Sir, through you, I would like to the task. know from the hon. Minister whether under the present norms villages having a popula­ \ English] tion of 3000 will be provided with a post office? All the Departments have relaxed the SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTA: Sir, a norms in case of villages of weaker section. number of post offices have been recom­ Shri Sathe has also proposed to provide mended by the P.M.G. of Gujarat for being electricity to Harijan. All the Departments opened in Ahmedabad. The question is have tried to relax the rules in respect of whether the post offices are being sanc­ villages of weaker sections for their various tioned or not and why is it that the P.M.G. schemes. They have provided all sorts of cannot open them. The whole difficulty facilities to them for their upliftment. But the arises because despite the norms being laid Ministry of Communication, which is under down in clear terms, the P.M.G. has to refer the charge of Shri Bir Bahadur Singh has not it to the Central Government and that will started any such project in which rules have take a lot of time. Will the Government, been relaxed in the villages having a popu­ therefore, allow the Postmaster-General to lation of weaker sections. Is there any pro­ open post offices apart from being satisfied posal under consideration of the Govern­ that the norms are fulfilled in the given case? ment to open post offices in the villages having population of weaker sections, SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO: Sir, we scheduled castes and scheduled tribes by have to examine the criterion which has relaxing the existing norms? Otherwise the been laid down and in the past we had given existing programmes will benefit the bigwigs the power to P.M.Gs. to open the post of­ of villages belonging to elite sections. fices, however after we changed the policy, they have to submit the proposals which are SHRI*BIB BAHADUR SINGH: It is not 19 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Oral Answers 20 so. The population limit is 3000 in respect of tion has gone up to 56,000 MW. We have general category and only 1500 for the created capacity. Not only that, new power weaker sections and hilly areas. stations have been constructed in confor­ mity with the policies in this regard. At certain [English] , places some concentration also took place. The result is that though power generation Setting up of National Transmis­ has gone up quantitatively, it has not been sion Corporation possible to make equitable distributbn of power to all states In the absence of a *74. SHRI RAM PYARE PAN IK AT national grid, You will be astonished to know SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: that due to shortage of transmissbn lines, it has not been possible for us to make full Will the Minister of ENERGY be utilisation of N.T.P.C. projects at certain pleased to state: places where the same could be utilised. While sharing the views of the hon. Minister (a) whether there is a proposal to set up I feel that there is a need to make an in-depth a National Transmission Corporation to study of the subject as we shall be able to work out an integrated approach to the generate 58,000 MW power in the Eighth power transmission needs of different re­ Five Year Plan. It is a matter of pride for us gions; that not only we have been able to achieve the target of Seventh Five Year Plan but also (b) if so, the proposed set up of the we have gone ahead of it. Will the hon. Corporation; and Minister assure the House of setting up of a National Grid Corporation so that we may (c) whetherthe regional power grids are take maximum advantages of the available also proposed to be integrated under the power. above scheme to ensure equitable distribu­ tion of power in all the regions? SHRI KALPNATH RAI: Mr. Speaker, Sir, a proposal to set up a National Transmis- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sion Corporation is under the consideration DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ of the Government. The N.T.P.C., the TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALPNATH RAI): N.H.P.C. the Lignite Corporation and the (a) to (c). The continued augmentation and different State Electricity Boards maintain strengthening of the Inter-State and Inter- their separate transmission lines. The state Regional transmission lines has given impe­ sector maintains transmission line for the tus for evolution of a National Power Grid. Atomic power Station. The Government is The possibility of ultimately having to create holding talks with various sectors and it is a a separate organisation at the National level very serious matter. A committee is being set to operate the Extra High Voltage Lines for up and the Government is considering a transmission of power from one State/region proposal to set up a National Transmission to another, cannot be ruled out. The matter, Corporation. however, requires an in-depth analysis of all aspects of the problem, including set up of SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA: Mr. the proposed organisation. Speaker, Sir, I am happy to note that the hon. Minister has accepted the seriousness of the [ Translation] matter. But the immediate need of the hour is that every effort should be made for proper SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA: Mr. capacity utilisation of power. In certain Speaker, Sir, so far as the generation of states like Uttar Pradesh especially in proper power is concerned, in the beginning it was Mirzapur district in Robertsganj though 6000 1450-1750 MW and now we can say proudly MW power is being generated, it cannoi be that the presert capacity of power genera­ transmitted * thorn in th* absence of trans­ 21 Oral Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22

mission lines. In view of this, will the hon. (b) if so, the number of such units, Minister consider this question of providing State-wise; power to the industries in the backward areas where super Thermal Power Stations (c) the extent to which the prices of raw exist at a little cheaper rate than the rate at material have increased; and which power is being supplied to industrial­ ists by charging them some extra amount so (d) the steps being taken by Govern­ that power could be properly utilised in tribal ment to provide protection to these units. State-wise? areas like Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Orissa and Uttar Pradesh by giving incentives to the THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI people and these areas could be developed J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (d). A statement is industrially. Will be consider this important given below. question and ensure that power capacity is not wasted and industries get power. STATEMENT

SHRI KALPNATH RAI: Mr. Speaker, The prices of plastic raw materials to the Sir, hon. Member’s suggestion is not related processing units, numbering around 15,000 to this question. and mostly it tiny and small scale sectors, have considerably increased primarily due SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA: It is cer­ to increase in international prices of these tainly related to it. I want that power being products by almost 100% since the begin­ generated must be utilised properly. ning of 1987 (around 50% of the requirement of plastic raw materials is met through im­ THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI ports). This coupled with certain other con­ VASANT SATHE): It is true that once power straints has reportedly resulted in closure of is generated, it must be utilised, otherwise it some processing units; precise data regard­ will go waste. We are experiencing this prob­ ing such closures is however, not available. lem in Uttar Pradesh where the power being generated in Singrauli could not reach a The import levies on plastic raw materi­ number cf places but it is for the State als have been reduced thrice since March Electricity Board to construct transmission 1987. lines for this purpose. We are prepared to [ Translation] provide assistance to them in this work. The Central Government neither can provide line SHRI V. TULSIRAM: Mr. Speaker, Sir, to any industry directly nor can it supply I had asked as to how many units have been electricity. We are making every effort to see closed and what is their state-wise break-up. that more and more power reaches people The hon. Minister has given an evasive reply and more and more power is utilised through to it. He has neither given the number nor the the State Electricity Boards and State State-wise break-up about the units closed. Governments. We will take into account the It is a clear question. I would like to ask the suggestion of the hon. Member in future. hon. Minister whether be has got the re­ quired figures in respect of Andhra Pradesh, [English] if not in respect of other States? He is very particular about Andhra Pradesh. Hence, he Prices of Plastic Raw Material should, at least, give the reply in respect of Andhra Pradesh. •75. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: Secondly, how many workers have been affected and how many workers were (a) whether the prices of raw material rendered jobless as a result of closure of used in plastic units have increased consid­ small plastic industries due to non-availabil­ erably forcing the units to close down; ity of raw material. What measures Govern­ 23 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Oral Answers ment propose to take to provide raw-mate- ment laid on the Table of the House, I men­ rial to them and what the Government is tioned the total units as 15,000. State-wise doing to revive then units. Besides what are number is not available. If the hon. Member the schemes proposed or under considera­ wants, I would certainly send the particulars tion of the Government to provide raw-mate­ especially for Andhra Pradesh. rial to these small units at subsidised rates and to ensure that these units run smoothly and produce more. In this regard, I want to inform the hon. Member that our production is low and our [English] demand is very high. In the international market also, the prices have gone up. I place SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: In my state­ some figures before the House.

(Figures in thousands)

Tonnes

Year Demand Production Gap.

LDPE 1988-89 173 80 93

HDPE 138 40 98

PVC 242 125 117

PS 38 22 16 lakhs

The demand in the country is very low. the Government is thinking about it and In the international market, previously the whether the Government is going to set it price was low. Now the prices have gone up. right. I had asked the hon. Minister to furnish We permitted the customers the import on figures. At least he should give the figures in OGL and we are importing through IPCL respect of Andhra Pradesh and he may give Baroda and we are trying to give it to the thy the Government vary? The rates are not Minister has given figures regarding the uniform? Due to this also, the prices of raw- various products, international prices and material have gone up. Is it a fact? If so, what also the gap between the demand and sup­ 25 Oral Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26 p ly within the country. This is known to us. all other Petro-Chemical materials. As there This is not a revelation made just now. This was a demand in this House that this unit is know to us for the last four years that there which is a profit-making unit should be is going to be an acute shortage of this raw- taken-over by the Government, may I know material which is required by thousands of from the hon. Minister whether the Govern­ small-scale factories in the country. What is ment is considering to take-over this profit- the Government planning to see that there is making unit of Union Carbide Company Ltd. a supply of raw-material to these units? May at Chembur. I know whether the Government is still going to play politics with the major plants like the SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: The overall Haldia Petro-Chemical plant and capacity of the Chembur unit is only 15000 Vishakhapatnam Petro-Chemical plant tonnes. This is a profit making unit. But, you which are going to remove the shortage. The know that in the Bhopal Gas case, the litiga­ only factory which is today supplying this tion is going on between the Government of internally is the IPCL and the production of India and the Union Carbide Corporation. It IPCL is so low that it cannot meet even 25 is their property. That is why Government is per cent of the requirement of the industry. not going to take over that unit. If they sell it This being the case,when the hon. Minister to any private party, they must deposit the says that there is a world shortage of ra- amount in the court. There is a lot of proce­ material— he had been going round the dure in it. world finding out the sources for the supply of raw-materials, I would like to know as to SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: You can what the Government is planning to s e j that take over it without giving any compensation this shortage is removed and internally there to the company. is increased production of this material. SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: Now there .s no SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: Several times, question of take-over. I answered this question, in the last Session also. We are setting up some Petro-Chemi­ Hike In Tyre Prices cal Complexes. In the Year 1990, the Mahar­ ashtra Petro-Chemical Complex will come *76. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTAT into production. There are four or five Petro- SHRI SATYENDRA NAR­ Chemical Complexes to be started like the AYAN SINHA: Haldia Petro-Chemical Complex, the Vishakhapatnam Petro-Chemical Complex, Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be the Hazira Petro-Chemical Complex etc. pleased to state: Therefore, there are five or six projects to be started. Now we have entered into the Plas­ (a) whether the tyre manufacturers tic age. There is a dearth of raw-material. So, have recently raised the prices of tyres; and you must go to start more Petro-Chemical Complexes. But, all these are down-stream (b) if so, the details thereof and the industries. Then only, we can meet this action Government propose to take to bring demand. It will take at least three years to down the prices of tyres? meet this demand indigenously. Within these three years, we must import this raw- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE material from other countries. DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL­ OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS­ SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: The pro­ TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) and duction of Plastics and Chemicals of Union (b). According to Automotive Tyre Manufac­ Carbide Company Ltd. at Chembur has turers Association, prices of various catego­ been stopped since one year. There is a gap ries of tyres have been increased by the tyre between demand and supply of plastics and companies ranging from 2% to 6% in Octo­ 27 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Oral Answers 28 b er, 1988. Government have oiready placed SHRI J. VENGAL RAO; As Hon. Mem­ import of certain categories of bus and truck ber has mentioned. Government has no tyres under O.G.L. at reduced rates of duty mandatory powers to control these prices or in order to keep a check on prices of such even through BICP. That is why, tyre indus­ tyres. j tries are in the hands of big people, in the hands of five or six people and they are SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I am sur­ controlling the whole industry. ( Interrup­ prised that the Government has to depend tions) Kindly hear me. they are trying to on the automotive tyre dealers association dictate to the Government. That is to learn whether the prices have been put up why .... (Interruptions) or not put up. I think, prices of tyres cannot be put up without the prior approval of the I am answering the question very Bureau of Industrial Costs and Prices. But if frankly because ( Interruptions) that system has been changed now, he should tell us.... MR. SPEAKER: Order, order.

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: Unless and J. VENGAL RAO): There is no such proce­ until we control these people, they will not be dure because there is no control on this tyro able to come round. That is why, in spite of industry by the Government. Now we are the opposition, we allowed its import on OGL referring it to the BICP. I entirely agree with and the road transport corporations have the Hon. Member that the prices have gone already placed orders for 30,000 truck tyres. up and we referred it to the BICP. Another Even we are allowing associations to import thing is that we allowed the Truck Tyres’ on OGL. Association and the major road transport corporations to import on OGL. The road SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I wanted to transport corporations have already placed know about the prices of imported tyres and orders for 30,000 truck tyres on OGL. how they will compete with the prices of the indigenous tyres because otherwise if prices SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: It is very kind are high of the imported tyres, they will not of the Minister to start replying before I exert any pressure on this small group of completed my question. I am very grateful to manufacturers here. him. What I was trying to ask—it is still my first question—was that if the Bureau of SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: Their tyre Industrial Costs and Prices does not neces­ prices were lower than our indigenous tyre sarily have to give any prior approval, it prices. means that raising of prices of tyres by the manufacturers can go on without any restric­ SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: In the news­ tion or hindrance. I believe that three or four papers we find big advertisements issued by times in a year they go on raising the prices.l some of these big tyre companies like JK, want to know from the Government-obvi- Modi, etc. where they are complaining— I ously they consider the prices to be too high want to know whether their complaint has otherwise they would not have allowed got any basis—that the prices of the raw import of tyres on OGL—whether he will materials which go into the manufacture of kindly tell the House that after these items tyres like the nylon cord are going up without have been put on the OGL, what is the total the Government doing anything control quantum of tyros which have been imported them and therefore they are compelled to from outside? I am referring to truck tyres raise the prices of the finished tyres. I want to mainly. I would like to know whether those know from the Government what is the imported tyres are marketed here in India at position in this regard. a price which is lower than tha prices of the indigenously manufactured tyres. SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: Of late, the 29 Ora! Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) OraI Answers 30

prices of rubber and nylon cord have gone Pending Applications for Electricity up internationally. But their price rise is very Connections In Mayur Vlhar (Phase 2), high when compared with other countries. Delhi

DR. DATTA SAMANT: I am dealing with *77. SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTAT three or four companies like CEAT, Modi, SHRI MUKUL WASNIK: Dunlop and MRF. They are controlling about 79% of the production of this country and Will the Minister of ENERGY be they regulate the prices. It is the need of the pleased to state: people because tyre is a requirement for any vehicle. It is high time the Government con­ (a) whether a large number of coopera­ trolled the prices and gave more licences to tive group housing societies have applied to see that there is some competition. the Delhi Electric Supply Undertaking for provision of electricity in Mayur Vihar SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: Dr. Datta (Phase-2), Delhi; Samant is the labour leader in the Modi Rubber in Bombay. He knows it very well. (b) if so, the details of the applications pending with the DESU; DR. DATTA SAMANT: The prices went up by 20% in the last two years. (c) whetherthe Samachar Cooperative Group Housing Society, promoted by jour­ SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: To control nalists, have also applied for the electrifica­ thase prices only we allowed for the first time tion of their housing complex; and in the history of this country the OGL import of these truck tyres. (d) if so, the action taken thereon?

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I would like to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE know from the Minister whether the Govern­ DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ ment would not consider the measure of TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALPNATH RAI): seeking to control the prices through certain (a) and (b). According to Delhi Electric Sup­ mechanism rather than allowing the import ply Undertaking, as on 3rd November, 1988, through OGL. The Minister is aware that the only five Cooperative Group Housing Socie­ foreign exchange position of the country is ties, namely Sadar, Samachar, Vasant, rather in a bad shape and we cannot afford Educational and Manas Vihar had made this kind of liberal import. Therefore would formal requests for undertaking electrifica­ the Minister be illiberal to the tyre manufac­ tion of their colonies in Mayur Vihar Phase- turers? II.

SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: It seems Mr. (c) and (d). Yes, Sir. According to DESU Jaipal Reddy has supported the tyre manu­ the electrification scheme in respect of facturers. We are allowing only one time Samachar Cooperative Group Housing import to teach a lesson to the tyre manufac­ Society has been repaired after receipt of the turers. built up space for two electric substations from the Society on 24.10.1988. The case is SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I have asked being processed further in the DESU. him to intervene to control the prices. SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTA: What is MR. SPEAKER: Next question. the time frame by which ......

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: He did not MR. SPEAKER: The Question House is answer my question. over. 31 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 32

(interruptions) Export of Chemicals and Petrochemi­ cals THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI VASANT SATHE): We want to assure that *62. SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU: these Samachar and other societies should SHRIMATI BASVARAJESH- be able to get power connection within the WARI: next three months. We coordinate the work­ ing with DDA and with others to see that the Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be deposits are made so that the work can be pleased to state: completed. (a) whether a plan has been drawn up to push up the exports of chemicals and petrochemicals to Rs. 2300 crores by the end of the Seventh Plan; WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (b) if so, the details of the plan; [English] (c) what were the exports during 1987- Documentary on Shrl Jayaprakash 8 8 ;and Narayan (d) the target fixed for exports of chemi­ “61. SHRI MOHD. MAHFOOZ ALI cals and petrochemicals during 1988-89 and KHAN: to what extent it has been achieved? PROF. CHANDRA BHANU DEVI: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). Revised Will the Minister of INFORMATION enhanced targets have only been fixed for AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: 1988-1989 for export of chemicals and pet­ rochemicals products. These have not yet (a) whether Doordarshan has rejected been fixed for the last year of the 7th Plan i.e. telecasting a documentary film on Shri 1989-90. Jayaprakash Narayan; (c) Exports of chemicals, petrochemi­ (b) if so, the reasons therefor; cals and allied products in 1987-88 were Rs. 1280.50 crores. (c) whether Government propose to review the decision; and (d) Revised target fixed for 1988-89 for export of these products is Rs. 1900 crores. (d) if not the reasons therefor? Exports of Rs. 619.75 crores have been achieved for the 5 month period of April- August. 1988 against a figure of Rs. 367.42 THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ crores of the same period of last financial TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ year. FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) and (b). A 30- Agitation by Telecommunication minute documentary film titled 'JP' produced Technicians by Athma Ram Films, Bombay and offered for telecast, was not found suitable for tele­ *63. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Will cast on technical grounds. the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (c) and (d). No, Sir. The decision al­ ready taken is considered to be in order. (a) whether the agitation started by the 33 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 34

Telecommunication technicians on July 26 [English] this year still contiryjes; and Scheme for Exploitation of Natural Gas (b) if so, the steps taken by Government to settle the issues and the outcome thereof? *65. SHRI BHADRESHWAR TANTI: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: TIONS (SHRI BIR BAHADUR SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether any major scheme has been prepared by Government for exploiting (b) Talks were held with the Union the natural gas potential in the country; representatives as also conciliation pro­ ceedings held by Chief Labour Commis­ (b) if so, whether the scheme is in sioner. The Union was advised to call off the different stages of implementation; and unjustified agitation which is causing dislo­ (c) if so, the salient features thereof? cation of services to the public. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE [ Translation] MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) to (c). Oil Find at Damoh in Madhya Pradesh Schemes for exploiting natural gas potential are drawn up from time to time depending *64. SHRI DAL CHANDER JAIN: Will upon the availability of gas and techno- the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU­ economic viability of its exploitation. The RAL GAS be pleased to state: utilisation of natural gas has gone up from 11.44 MMCMD in 1984-85 to 21.92 (a) whetherGovernmentare awarethat MMCMD in 1987-88. oil is found in the water drawn from the Exports by Public Sector Undertakings tubewells dug in village Muderi, Block Jab- era, district Damoh of Damoh-Panna Parlia­ *68. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: Will mentary constituency in Madhya Pradesh; the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details of the survey con­ ducted by Government to extract oil there­ (a) the value of exports by the public from; and sector undertakings during the last three years; (c) if not, whether Government propose (b) the percentage that public sector to make arrangements to conduct a survey exports form of total exports, year-wise; for extracting oil in that area? (c) the percentage that such exports THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE form of public sector production by value, MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ year-wise; and RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) to (c). The alleged oil show is under investigation (d) the steps taken to promote exports by ONGC. The area has been covered by by public sector undertakings? geological,* geophysical and geo-chemical surveys. The Jabera prospect has been THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO):(a) to (c). Information identified and an exploratory location has regarding value of exports and value of been released for drilling to a target depth of production for the public sector enterprises 3500 metres. 35 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 36 for the last three years’ period for which data is available is as under:-

(Rs. in crores)

Year Value of Value of % of value Public %of value of public total of public Sector public sector Sector exports sector production exports to exports exports to in value value of total Public Sector exports production

1984-85 5831.45 11743.68 49.7 52196.86 11.2

1985-86 3822.32 10894.59 35.1 58820.24 6.5

196-87 3941.78 12569.33 31.4 65034.75 6.1

(d) Various steps have been taken to 8. Placement of many processing improve exports generally applicable both to and packaging machines under the private sector public sector and some of OGL with nominal duties. the important ones are enumerated as un- der:- 9. Withdrawal of cess from cashew Kernals. 1. 100% exemption from income tax of exports profits. 10. 50% subsidy for submission of tenders to promote exports of 2. 5 years tax holiday also ex­ products and consultancy. tended to 100% EOUs. 11. 10% project assistance for con­ 3. Pre-shipment and post-ship­ sultancy exports. ment credit now available at concessional rate of interest for 12. 5% to 10% of foreign exchange a period of 180 days. earnings are allowed to export­ ers for undertaking export pro­ 4. Export duty abolition on FC motion activities. tobacco, iron ore and mica. 13. Subsidy assistance for acquisi­ 5. Remission of element of indirect tion of IQ plants. taxes on inputs of export prod­ ucts. 14. Increase in debt equity ratio upto 6. Increase in the subsidy of rubber 4:1 for thrust industries. supplied to exporters from Rs. 4500/- per tonne to Rs. 6000/- 15. Liberalised norms to agency per tonne. commission payment by export­ ers. 7. Full rebate on excise duty for promoting export of tea and 16. De-licensing of export potential value added tea. industries. Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 38

17. Exemption to export production Expansion of Doordarshan and AJ.R. In from industrial licensing. Seventh Plan

18. Manufacturer unit to export 50% *70. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN: of their production are allowed SHRI V.S. VUAYA RAGHA- manufacturing of selected VAN: goods having good export possi­ bilities. Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: 19. Formation of separate councils far promoting exports of handi­ (a) the amount earmarked in the Sev­ crafts and electronic goods. enth Plan for the expansion of Doordarshan and A.I.R.; and 20. Setting up to Empowered Committee of Secretaries and (b) the amount spent so far on the Cabinet Committee on Exports. expansion of Doordarshan and A.I.R. in dif­ ferent States and Union Territories during 21. Setting up of Coordination the Seventh Plan period, State-wise? Committee for Agriculture, leather, engineering and capital THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ goods with representatives of TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ Ministries. FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) A total amount 22. Supply of indigenous aluminium of Rs. 1400 crores has been earmarked for at international prices under the the expansion of Doordarshan and Aka- International Prices reimburse­ shvani for the VII Five Year Plan. ment scheme. (b) The broadcast/telecast facilities 23. Supply of raw materials at inter­ provided at many locations benefit more national prices to all major export than one State in most cases. Therefore, the sector which also covers compo­ State-wise expenditure cannot be com­ nents and consumables. puted.

24. Use of foreign brand names for National Debate on Protection Against readymade garments where Defamation indigenous fabrics are used.

25. Supply of diesel at cheaper price *71. SHRIMATIKISHORI SINGH & for captive power generation to SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- those firms which export 25% or CHANDRAN: more of their production. Will the Minister of INFORMATION 26. Supply of levy cement for export AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: promotion. (a) whether he has written to various 27. Foreign market devebpment interested parties about a national debate on assistance through fairs and the issue of defamatbn and citizens need for exhibitions abroad. piotection against sjjch defamation by tha media; and - 28. Enhancement in the validity pe­ riod of export lipenoes to 6 (b) if so, the reaction of the various months. interested groups thereon? 39 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 40

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY Limited and the Oil and Natural Gas Com­ AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMA­ mission have taken up pilot projects for using TION AND BROAPCASTING (SHRI H.K.L. natural gas in auto-mobiles; BHAGAT): (a) Replies were/are being sent to those who wrote to Government on the (b) if so, the details regarding the policy subject containing varying views, with the and procedure adopted by Government in hope that a meaningful national debate on this regard; and the Law of Libel will enuse. (c) to what extent the production of (b) A cross section of people have natural gas is likely to be increased in view of evinced interest in participating in the na­ such projects? tional debate. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF MINIS­ Amendments to Indian Patents Act TRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) to (c). ONGC •72. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: have conducted trials for use of compressed DR. B.L. SHAILESH: natural gas (CNG) as an automotive fuel to replace diesel/petrol. Gas Authority of India Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Ltd. have also drawn up a plan for undertak­ pleased to state: ing trial run of city buses using compressed natural gas as a partial replacement for (a) whether Government propose to diesel in Delhi and Kanpur. These are only amend the Indian Patents Act, 1970 to en­ pilot studies and commercial use of CNG able the multinational companies to produce has not been taken up so far. and item in the international Market by Modifying the process. Setting up of Electronic Telephone Exchanges (b) if so, the nature of amendments proposed to be made; and •78. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDY: SHRI RAGHUMA REDDY: (c) the reasons therefor? Willthe Ministerof COMMUNICATIONS THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI be pleased to state: J. VENGAL RAO): (a) No, Sir. (a) whether government have since (b) and (c). Does not arise. finalised any plan to set up new electronic exchanges in the country during 1988-89, Pilot Projects for Use of Natural Gas In 1989-90 and 1990-91; Automobiles (b) if so, the names of the cities where •73. SHRI H.B. PATIL: such telephone exchanges are likely to be SHRI PRASARAM BHARD- set up together with their capacity; and WAJ: (c) the financial implications thereof? Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ TIONS (SHRI BIR BAHADUR SINGH): (a) (a) whether the Gas authority of India to (c). A statement is given below. 41 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 42

STATEMENT

The Government has tentatively drawn up plans to set up main Electronic telephone exchange capacity during 1988-89,1989-90 and 1990-91 subject to availability of equipment in the following cities. In addition, a n u m b e r nf small electronic exchange will be set up in small towns and big villages.

S. No. Name of Station Capacity commissioning expected during 1988-89

1 2 3

1. Delhi 29,000

2. Bombay 34,600

3. Madras 16,600

4. Calcutta 17,900

5. Hyderabad 7,000

6. Bangalore 14,450

7. Vishakhapatnam 5,000

8. Patna 10,000

9. Trichy 2,000

10. Gandhinagar 1,000

11. Karur 1,000

12. Sirsa 1,000

13. Udipi 1,000

14. Alwar 1,000

15. Margao 1,000

16. Gantfhidham 1,000

17. Forbandar 1,000

18. Kalamboli 1,000

19. Gaya 1,000

20. Palimarwar 1,000 43 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers. 44

1 2 3

21. Veraval 1,000

22. Khanna 1,000

23. Abohar 1,000

24. Dibrugarh 1,000

25. Beawar 1,000

26. Imphal 1,000

27. Lucknow 10,000

28. Gorakhpur 6,500

29. Bhopal 4,000

30. Kanpur 600

31. Jaipur 10,000

32. Amritsar 5,000

33. Ghaziabad 4,000

34. Jallundhar 3,000

35. Ludhiana 10,000

36. Nagpur 10,000

37. Rajkot 2,000

38. Surat 4,000

39. Badarpur 1,000

40. Jodhpur 5,000

41. Rae barelli 2.000

42. Sriganganaga 800

43. Pune 10,000

44. Ahmedabad 9,000 45 Written Answers KARTIKA 24. 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 46

S. No. Name of Station Capacity commissioning expected during 1989-90

1 2 3

1. Delhi 60,000

2. Bombay 60,000

3. Madras 6,500

4. Calcutta 40,000

5. Hyderabad 13,000

6. Bangalore 16,000

7. Vishakhapatnam 2,000

8. Patna 5,000

9. Trichy 700

10. Vijayawada 5,000

11. Guwahati 6,000

12. Ranchi 3,000

13. Bhubaneswar 5,000

14. Ernakulam 3,000

15. Lucknow 7,000

16. Gorakhpur 500

17. Varanasi 6,000

18. Bhopal 6,000

19. Raipur 6,000

20. Allahabad 5.000

21. Chandigarl 11,000

22. Kanpur 5.000

23. Jaipur 3.000 47 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 48

1 2 3

24. Agra 2,000

25. Amritsar 2.000

26. Ghaziabad 5,000

27. Jallandnar 1,500

28. Ludhiana 3,000

29. Nagpur 4,500

30. Rajkot 500

31. Surat 500

32. Badarpur 1.000

33. Bahadurgarh 1,000

34. Jodhpur 2,000

35. Pathankot 1,000

36. Noida 3,000

37. Pune 17,500

38. Ahmedabad 6,000

39. Srinagar (J &K) 5,000

S. No. Name of Station Capacity commissioning expected during 1990-91

1 2 3

1. Delhi 9‘J.OOO

2. Bombay 124,000

3. Madras 5,500

4. Calcutta 17,300

5. Bangalore 3,000 49 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 50

1 2 3

6. Hassan 2,500

7. Ernakulam 1,000

8. Gandhinagar 5,000

9. Asansol 11,000

10. Lucknow 5,000

11. Varanasi 5,000

12. Allahabad 5,000

13. Chandigarh 4,000

14. Kanpur 5,000

15. Jaipur 5,000

16. Agra 2,500

17. Ghaziabad 5,000

18. Ludhiana 5,000

19. Jodhpur 2,000

20. Pathankot 1,000

21. Faridabad 10,000

22. Baroda 10,000

23. Ahmedabad 7,000

24. Sringar (J&K) 5,000

Setting up of the above, would cost the Government an amount to the tune of about Rs. 1800/-crores.

New Power Project by National Thermal power projects submitted to Government by Power Corporation the National Thermal Power Corporation;

*79. SHRI SRIKANTHA DATTA NARA- „ (b) whether the feasibility reports of SIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the Minister of those projects have been prepared; ENERGY be pleased to state: (c) if so, the steps taken to implement (a) the details of proposals for new those proposals; and 51 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 'Written Answers 52

(d) the total MW of electricity which the Statement below. would be produced on completion of those projects? (b) Yes, Sir.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) and (d). These project proposals of DEPARTMENTOF POWER IN THE MINIS­ an aggregate capacity of 7995 MW are in TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALPNATH RAI): various stages of processing, which in­ (a) The details of the new project proposals cludes the tying up of the necessary inputs submitted by the National Thermal Power and the financial resources are also obtain­ Corporation to the Government are given in ing the requisite clearances.

STATEMENT

Details of the Project Proposals Submitted by NTPC to the Government

S.No. Name of the Project Capacity Estimated cost (MW) (in Rs. Crores)

1 2 3 4

1. Farakka Stage-Ill 500 562.14

2. Vindhyachal Stage-I — 339.69

3. Rihand Stage-ll 1000 1304.68

4. Vindhyachal Stage-ll 1000 1409.60

5. Manguru Stage-I 1000 1447.40

6. Dadri Gas Stage-I 817 638.30

7. Chandrapur Stage-I 1000 1424.87

8. Yamunanagar Stage-I 840 1351.14

9. North Karanpura Stage-I 1000 1944.40

10. Anta Gas State-II 430 433.01

11. Dadri Gas Stage-ll 408 340.36

Total: 7995 11,195.59

Commission In HBJ Pipeline Deal Rs. 8 crores as commission or kickbacks from the Sumitomo Corporation of Japan in *80. SHRI H N. NANJE GOWDA: Will the HBJ pipeline deal with the ONGC as the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU­ reported in the Times of India dated 15 RAL GAS be pleased to state: September, 1988;

(a) whether any arms dealer received (b) If so, whether Government have 53 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 54 sought information from the Sumitomo Cor­ (v) Indian Airlines poration in the matter; and (vi) Air India (c) if so, the facts received and further steps Government propose to take against (vii) HMT Ltd. the agents who received commission or kickbacks in the ONGC deal? (viii) Heavy Engineering Corpn. Ltd.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (ix) Minerals & Metal Trading Corpn. of MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ India Ltd. RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) to (c). M/s. Sumitomo Corporation is reported to (x) State Trading Corpn. of India Ltd. have made certain payments to M/s. Con­ cord International in respect of certain (xi) Maruti Udyog Ltd. ONGC contracts. ONGC have been advised to make necessary enquiries from M/s. (c) The details are as under: Sumitomo Corporation in this regard for taking appropriate action. (i) Capital Expenditure: It has been decided that in respect of Compa­ nies signing MOUs and having Delegation of More Powers to Public Gross Block of over Rs. 200 crores, Enterprises the power to incur expenditure on replacement and renewal of assets 451. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: Will due to normal wear and tear will be the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to Rs. 50 crores provided the required state: funds can be found from the inter­ nal resources of the company and (a) Whether Government have recently the expenditure is incurred on decided to delegate more administrative and schemes included in the capital financial powers to Public Undertakings; budget approved by the Govern­ ment. (b) If so, the name of the undertakings covered under this category; and (ii) Incentive Schemes: MOU signing companies can evolve incentive (c) the details in this regard? schemes within the broad guide­ lines laid down by BPE subject to THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI the condition that the total of bonus J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. and incentive shall not exceed to Government have recently delegated more the 35% of the wages. administrative and financial powers to the following Central Public Undertakings who (iii) Voluntary Retirement Scheme: have signed Memoranda of Understanding MOU signing companies are au­ (MOU) with the Government for the year thorised to implement schemes of 1988-89:- voluntary retirement even depart­ ing from the parameters of the 0) Steel Authority of India Ltd. model Voluntary Retirement Scheme finalised by Govt, pro­ (ii) Oil & Natural Gas Commission vided the compensation to be paid can be found from the internal re­ (iii) Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. sources of the company.

(iv) National Thermal Power Corpn. (iv) Transfer of Functional Directors: 55 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 56

MOU signing companies shall Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be have powers to transfer Functional pleased to state: Directors from one charge to an­ other in consultation with the Sec­ (a) whether it is a fact that Government retary of the administrative Ministry propose to mergo some sick industries with and with the prior approval of the healthy industries; Minister. (b) if so, the names of such industries; (v) Foreign Tours of Functional Direc­ and tors: It has been decided that while the CMDs would continueto obtain (c) how many sick industries have been the approval of Ministries for tours revived by the Board for Industrial and Fi­ outside the country, the Chief nancial Reconstruction during 1987-88? Executives can authorise business visits abroad of Functional Direc­ THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI tors. J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). The Govern­ ment have provided for serval concessions, Supply of Copies of Companies' including tax benefits, to healthy units which Annual Reports to Small Share-Holders take over sick units by way of merger, with a view to reviving them. Several industrial 452. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: units have availed of these benefits. Willthe Minister of INDUSTRYbe pleased to state: (c) During 1987-88, Board for Industrial and Financial Reconstruction sanctioned (a) whether the Institute of Chartered one scheme for amalgamation of M/s. Chal- Accountants of India has suggested that the lapalli Sugar Ltd., Madras, with K.C.P. Ltd., small shareholders of company need not be Madras. In addition, in 21 cases the Board supplied with copies of the company’s An­ come to the conclusion that the companies nual Reports; can make their net worth positive on their own within a reasonable time. Approval was (b) if so, Government's reaction to this therefore accorded to these units under proposal; and Section 17 (2) of the Sick Industrial Compa­ nies (Special Provisions) Act, 1985. (c) what would be the definition of small shareholders for this purpose? Joint Venture in Saudi Arabia and Algeria THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) No, Sir. 454. SHRI NARSINGH SURVAVANSI: Willthe Minister of INDUSTRYbe pleased to (b) Does not arise in view of (a) above. state:

(c) The expression 'small share-holder’ (a) whether a Committee was set up has not been defined in the Companies Act, under the Chairmanship of the former Chair­ 1956. man of the Indian Petrochemicals Corpora­ tion Limited to work out the economic feasi­ bility of either setting up a joint venture in. Merger of Sick Industries with Healthy Saudi-Arabia and Algeria for the production Industries of ethylene and polypropylene or to import the raw material and do the processing in 453. KUMARI MAMATA BANER- India; and JEE: SHRI K. PRADHANI: (b) if so, the further developments in the 57 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 58 matter? Additional Programme on Round the Clock A.I.R. Broadcasting THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) The Committee’s 456. SHRI SHANTARAM N AIK: Will the assignment covered exploring the possibil­ Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD­ ity of setting up joint venture petrochemical CASTING be pleased to state: projects with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and Bahrain only. (a) the nature of programmes proposed to be broadcast during additional hour con­ (b) Evaluation of the options identified sequent on introduction of round the clock by the Committee from the view points of transmission; techno-economic and other relevant consid­ erations is on hand. (b) the increase in the number of news- bulletins proposed to be broadcast; Price Reduction of Push Button Telephones (c) the additional expenditure that Government propose to incur; and 455. SHRI H.G, RAMULU: SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: (d) whether any commercial advertise­ ment are proposed to be broadcast to cover Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ additional expenditure involved in twenty- TIONS be pleased to state: four hour broadcasting?

(a) whether the Mahanagar Telephone THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ Nigam Limited has reduced the price of the TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ newly introduced push button telephones FORMATION AND BROADCASTING "Sweder; (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) to (d). Consider­ ing the heavy expenditure involved in obtain­ (b) if so, what price will be charged for ing technical equipment and setting up of MTNL for push button telephones; transmitters and recruitment of additional staff, it is not possible immediately to have (c) whether the consumers already round the clock All India Ratio broadcasts. availing the push button facility will be re­ funded the difference; and Discovery of Oil In Tamil Nadu

(d) if not, the reasons therefor? 458. SHRI C.K. KUPPUSWAMY: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE RAL GAS be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) and (b). The (a) whether any oil bearing resources one time charge for providing a push button have been discovered both offshore and telephone on a new connection or in replace­ onshore in Tamil Nadu during the current ment of existing rotary dial telephone instru­ year; ment has been reduced with effect from 1- 10-1988 to Rs. 100/- throughout the country (b) if so, the details thereof and the including in Mahanagar Telephone Nigam. estimated oil potential; and

(c) No, Sir. (c) the details of such discoveries, if any, made earlier and the steps being taken (d) These reduced charges are appli­ for the exploitation of all these resources? cable to all those telephones provided with effect from 1 -10-1988 only. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 59 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 60

MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ undertaken. The onland structures have RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) and been put on extended Production testing. (b). Yes, Sir. During current year, oil has been discovered in Nannilam-I well onland LPG Connections In Maharashtra and in PY-3-2 well offshore in Tamil Nadu. The hydrocarbon potential of these struc­ 459. SHRI VUAY N. PATIL: Will the tures/Wells will be known only after further Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL exploration. GAS be pleased to state:

(c) The following prospects in Cauvery (a) the number of LPG connections al­ basin have proved to be hydrocarbon bear­ lotted in Maharashtra and waiting list for LPG ing: connections in the State, district-wise as on 31 March, 1988; ONLAND: (b) the allotment of LPG connections (1) Bhuvanagiri made during the last three years, year-wise; and (2) Kovikalappal (c) when the existing waiting list for LPG (3) Nariman am connections is likely to be wiped out?

(4) Karaikal THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE OFFSHORE: MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) The (1) PH-9 required information is given in the state­ ment below. (2) PY-1

(3) PY-3 (b) The numbers of LPG connections released in Maharashtra during the last Delineation of all these structures is being years are as under:

Year No. of LPG connections released (in lakhs)

1 2

1985-86 3.27

1986-87 2.98

1987-88 2.06

(c) Release of new connections is done under its annual programme for enrollment by the oil industry all over the country includ­ of customers, subject to augmentation in ing in Maharashtra, in a phased manner availability of LPG. 61 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 62

STATEMENT

S. No. Name of district No. of LPG connections No. of persons allotted on waiting list

1 2 3 4

1. Amravati — 42,648 15,592

2. Ahmadnagar — 51,800 33,158

3. Akola — 37,714 9,950

4. Aurangabad — 36,010 35,710

5. Beed — 9,140 11,570

6. Bhandara — 22,523 7,838

7. Bombay — 10,82,858 29,300

8. Buldana ■ — 16,810 9,031

9. Chandrapur — 23,976 15,259

10. Dhule — 23,253 28,495

11. Jalgaon — 65,390 58,160

12. Nanded — 16,410 6,420

13. Nasik — 1,01,160 85,280

14. Nagpur — 1,62,181 48,392

15. Kolhapur — 65,930 42,600

16. Osmanabad — 15,320 9,720

17. Pune — 3,11,310 1,07,470

18. Parbhani — 9,580 4,460

19. Raigad — 58,130 4,030

20. Ratnagiri — 33,790 5,090

21. Satara — 53,520 18,180

22. Solapur — 40,160 30,430

23. Sindhudurg — 2,220 1,460 63 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 64

1 2 ' 3 4

24. Sangli — 45,680 14,170

25. Thane — 3,06,760 38,657

26. Wardha — 20,002 15,847

27. Yavatmal — 15,161 15,287

28. Jalna — 1,510 2,286

26,70,946 7,03,842

SC/ST Employees in A.I.R. THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ 460. SHRI PIYUSH TIRAKY: Will the FORMATION AND BROADCASTING Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD­ (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) The category- CASTING be pleased to state: wise information regarding total number of employees in AIR and those belonging to (a) the number and percentage of SCs and STs as on 1.1.88 is given in the artistes, announcers and other employees statement below. It is not possible to work in All India Radio, belonging to Scheduled out the information in respect of station-wise Castes and Scheduled Tribes, category- reservations as rosters are maintained cen­ wise and station-wise; and trally, zone-wise as well as station-wise.

(b) The prescribed percentage of reser­ (b) the steps being taken to engage vations for SCs/STs in AIR have been more persons of SC/ST category in A.I.R.? achieved.

STATEMENT

Category-wise Employees in Air India Radio as on 1.1.1988

Category Total number of employees SC % ST %

1 2 3 4 5 6

Group 'A' 261 26 9.96 19 7.27

G roup‘B’ 3101 419 13.51 97 3.12

Group ‘C’ 8475 1477 17.42 636 7.50

Group 'D' 4228 1375 32.52 520 12.30

16065 3297 20.52 1272 7.91 65 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 66

[Translation] 1 2 Speed Post Service 5. Bangalore 461. SHRI VUAY KUMAR YADAV: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 6. Hyderabad pleased to state: 7. Ahmedabad (a) the names of cities in the country where the speed post service has been 8. Vadodara provided as on date; 9. Jaipur (b) the details of the speed post service facility and the charges for the same; 10. Kanpur

(c) whether Government propose to 11. Pune extend this facility at sub-divisional level also; and 12. Cochin

(d) if so, the details thereof? 13. Guwahati

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 14. Indore MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) A list showing 15. Agartala the names of the cities in the country where Speed Post Service has been provided is 16. Silchar given in Statement 'A' below. 17. Coimbatore (b) Details of the Speed Post Service and the charges for the same is given in the 18. Vishakhapatnam Statement ‘B’ below. 19. Nagpur (c) No, Sir. 20. Imphal (d) Does not arise. 21. Agra STATEMENT 'A' 22. Gwalior The Names of Speed Post Centres/ _____ Counters in the Country_____ 23. Patna

S. No. Centres 24. Chandigarh

1 2 25. Srinagar

1. Delhi 26. Trichy

2. Bombay 27. Madurai

3. Calcutta' 28. Salem

4. Madras 29. Shillong 67 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 68

STATEMENT ‘B’ 1 2 1. Purpose of the New Service: 30. Trivandrum The modern day communications sys­ 31. Mangalore tem calls for high speed and reliability from the postal service. Trade and commerce 32. Bhubaneshwar have a major and vital economic interest in the documents and goods reaching their 33. Cuttack addresses within short and specified times. The time sensitive documents have to reach 34. Vijaywada destinations in the shortest possible period. The speed post service is desig ned as one of 35. Tirupati the answers to this challenging problem.

36. Bhopal 2. Definition o f Speed Post:

37. Raipur Speed Post Service is a fast, secure and highly reliable service offering a guaran­ 38. Lucknow teed time bound delivery. Inland and Inter­ national Speed Post item will be delivered 39. Jammu within 24 to 72 hours, as the case may be, from the latest hour fixed for booking. In case 40. Shimla of international Speed Post items, the deliv­ ery standards vary from country to country, 41. Meerut and at times can even exceed 72 hours in case the destination is other than a principal 42. Varanasi city or town of the destination country, ft would not be possible to adhere to the time 43. Kanchipuram schedule in the case of International Speed Post articles if they contain items subject to detailed customs examination. Extension Counters. 3. Coverage: S.No. Centres Speed Post at present covers as on 1 2 1.11.88,43 cities in India for domestic speed post excluding the seven cities which are covered through Extension Counters where 1. Hosur speed post articles are booked but not deliv­ ered. International Speed Post Service Is 2. Thane available from all the domestic Speed Post Centres and Extension Counters with the 3. Ghaziabad exception of Imphal Speed Post Centre. International Documents Speed Post Serv­ 4. Faridabad ice is available for 34 countries from India International Merchandise sen/ice is avail­ 5. Surat able from India to 19 counters.

6. Noida Complex SO 4. Collection Centres:

7. Nashik. Speed Post items — both Inland and 69 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 70

In ternational — are accepted at selected send documents in any form which are non- Post Offices, strategically located in the cit­ saleable and nondutiable, e.g. business ies covered by Speed Post. papers, legal papers, modern data carriers like magnetic discs, punched card9, etc. While in the International Merchandise 5. What can be sent: Speed Post Service, items other than docu­ ments to be compulsorily insured the insur­ In the Inland Speed Post Service, any ance of which is not compulsory can be sent postal article that can be sent by Registered to the countries with which we have this Post can be sent as a Speed Post item. service (items the insurance of which is These include letters, book packets and compulsory are gold, coin, bullion, silver, parcels. In the International Documents currency notes, bearer cheques, traveller Speed Post Service, members of public can cheques, etc.)

6. INLAND SPEED POST CHARGES:

For destination upto 500 Kms. Special charge of Rs. 10 in addition to the nor­ mal charge

Beyond 500 Kms.

(i) For items weighing . A special Charge of Rs. 20/- in addition to upto 5 Kgs. the normal charges.

(ii) For items weighing A special charge of Rs. 20/- in addition to the normal above 5 Kgs. normal charges plus Rs. 5 for 5 Kgs and above.

INTERNATIONAL SPEED POST CHARGES

A Documents

For USA Rs. 300/- for first 500 gms. and Rs. 100/- for every additional 500 gms or part thereof.

For countries other Rs. 250/- for first 500 gms. and Rs. 85/- for than USA, Pakistan every additional 500 gms or part thereof, and Bangladesh.

For Pakistan & Bangladesh:- Rs. 200/- for first 500 gms. and Rs. 70/- for every additional 500 gms. or part thereof.

B. Merchandise

For USA Rs. 350/- for first 500 gms. and Rs. 120/- for every additional 500 gms. or part thereof.

For countries: other than Rs. 300/- for first 500 gms. and Rs. 100/- for USA, Pakistan and Bangladesh every additional 500 gms. or part thereof.

for Pakistan & Bangladesh-Rs. 250/- for first 500 gms. and Rs. 80/- for every additional 500 gms or part thereof. 7 1 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 72

[English] A new Fund entitled National Equity Financial help to Small Scale Industries Fund has been set up in IDBI in August 1987 and State Small Scale Industries in participation with Govt, of India. The Fund Corporations is intended for providing equity type support to new and tiny small scale industrial units 462. SHRIR.M. BHOYE: Will the Minis­ which are engaged in manufacturing activi­ ter of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: ties and also for rehabilitation of sick SSI units. Equity assistance from the Fund is (a) whether Government have formu­ provided through Nationalised Banks/State lated any new scheme to provide financial Bank of India, etc. which act as agents of help to small scale industries and also to IDBI. The assistance under the scheme is help the State Small Scale Industries Corpo­ 15% of the project cost subject to a maxi­ rations; and mum of Rs. 75,000/- per project. The new SSI unit should be located in a village/town (b) if so, the details thereof? having population not exceeding 5 lakhs and the project cost should not exceed Rs. 5 THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI lakhs in the case of a new project. Assis­ J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). A number of tance from the Fund is available for rehabili­ measures have been taken by the Govern­ tation of existing sick SSI units located in ment for providing financial assistance to towns/villages with population not exceed­ small scale industries and State Small In­ ing 15 lakhs. The assistance is available at a dustries Development Corporations nominal service charge of 1 % by way of soft (SSIDCs). Some of the significant measures seed capital. introduced recently are as follows:- (3) IDBI Single Window Scheme for (1) Small Industries Development Fund financing of fixed assets and work­ (SIDF): ing capital to tiny and SSI units:

The Small Industries Development In order to overcome difficulties and Fund has been set up in the IDBI in May 1986 delays experienced by tiny and small scale to provide refinance assistance for develop­ units assisted by SFCs/SIDCs in securing ment, expansion, diversification, moder­ working capital finance, the IDBI have intro­ nisation and rehabilitation of small scale, duced in May 1988 a revised scheme which cottage and village industries and tiny sector enables SFCs and twin-function SIDCs to units. Besides ensuring continued flow of provide through a single window both term financial and non-financial assistance to the loan for fixed assets and working capital to SSI sector, SIDF provides a focal point for new tiny and small scale units whose project effectively coordinating the activities of vari­ cost does not exceed Rs. 5 lakhs. Besides, ous organisations engaged in promoting the providing term loan for fixed assets, SFCs/ growth of this sector and also give a new SIDCs will also now simultaneously provide thrust to their activities. working capital loans upto Rs. 2.5 lakhs.

Soon after setting up of the Fund, IDBI (4) Small Industries Development formulated a scheme for resource support to Bank of India (SIDBI): State Small Industries Development Corpo­ rations (SSIDCs) to enable them to finance Keeping in view a long standing de­ marketing operations of SSI units and other mand of the tiny and small industries that activities like raw material distribution and there should be a separate apex bank for extension services. them, it has been decided to establish a Small Industries Development Bank of India (2) National Equity Fund Scheme (NEFS): (SIDBI) 7 3 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 74

Phased Manufacturing Programme by (b) Does not arise. Large Scale drug units Diamond Industry 463. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be 465. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: pleased to state: Willthe Minister of INDUSTRYbe pleased to state: (a) whether the large scale units in the drug industry are required to follow a phased (a) the approximate number of people manufacturing programme; engaged in diamond industry in the country;

(b) if so, the names of the units which (b) whether Government have a pro­ are not following phased manufacturing posal to encourage the diamond industry so programme and yet are being allowed to that more and more employment can be import intermediates*; and created.

(c) the reaction of Government (c) if so, the steps taken by Government thereon? in this regard; and

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI (d) the target set for creating jobs in the J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (c). The policy of the diamond industry by the end of the Seventh Government is to encourage production of Plan period? bulk drugs from the basic stage. However in the case of certain drugs where technology THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI for basic manufacture is not readily available J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (d). The information and where large investments are required, a is being collected and will be laid on the phased manufacturing programme has Table of the House. been prescribed. Normally no deviation from the PMP is allowed. However, taking into Production of Paper consideration several factors, especially the sophistication and availability of technology, 466. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: relaxations are made for limited period on Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to merits. state:

Shut Down of Paracetamol Manufactur­ (a) the number of paper manufacturing ing Units units in the country in public and private sectors; 464. SHRI JAGANNATH PATNAIK: Willthe Minister of INDUSTRYbe pleased to (b) the approximate annual production state: of paper in the country and the annual demand; (a) whether several drug units making paracetamol have been shut down during (c) whether the production of paper in the last week of September, 1988 due to the country is not sufficient to meet the acute shortage of benezene which is re­ demand at present; quired for the manufacture of the drug; and (d) if so, the quantity of paper imported (b) if so, the steps taken by Government annually to meet the demand; and in this regard? THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY:(SHRI (e) the Government policy in regard to J. VENGAL RAO): (a) No such instance has establishment of new paper manufacturing come to the notice of Government. units in the country both in public and private 7 5 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 76 sectors during the remaining period of Sev­ (ii) Units commissioned upto enth Plan and the Eighth Plan? 31.3.1990 are exempted from excise duty to the THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI extent of 50% for a period J. VENGAL RAO): (a) As on 1.1.1988, there of 5 years. were 299 units borne on the rolls of the Directorate General of Technical Develop­ (iii) In cases where an Indus­ ment engaged in manufacture of paper and trial Licence is neces­ paper-board in the country. This includes 3 sary, proposals for estab­ units which are in the Central Public Sector. lishment of capacity are An additional unit in the Central Public Sec­ considered keeping in tor has been commissioned from 1.4.1988. view the availability of raw materials and other (b) to (d). The production of paper and relevant considerations. paperboard during 1987 is estimated at 16.89 lakh tonnes. At present, the demand (iv) Paper Industry is encour­ for paper and paperboard, except for certain aged to use non-conven- special varieties, is adequately met by in­ tional raw materials, and digenous production. The quantity of paper, a number of concessions paperboard and manufacturers thereof, have been extended for imported during the last two financial years is use of such raw materi­ as follows:- als.

Year Quantity (v) Facility of import of wood (in tonnes) pulp, waste paper, wood chips and logs under 1986—87 42,300 OGL is available to the Paper Industry. 1987—88 34,300 (vi) Flexibility has been al­ (e) The following facilities have been lowed to the Industry to extended to the industry to set up additional manufacture all varieties capacity for manufacture of paper and pa­ of paper and paper grade perboard in the country: pulp, including paper- board/straw-board within the overall licensed ca­ (i) The need for non-MRTP/ pacity. non-FERA Companies to obtain industrial licences There is no proposal at present to set up has been dispensed with, any additional capacity for manufacture of except for projects involv­ paper and paperboard in the Central Public ing an investment in fixed Sector. assets of more than Rs. 50 crores if they are lo­ Setting Up of Electronic Telephone cated in Centrally de­ Exchanges In Hyderabad clared backward areas, or more than Rs. 15 467. SHRI T. BALA GOUD: Will the crores if they are located Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased in non-backward areas, to state: subject to fulfilment of certain standard condi­ (a) whether Government propose to tions. replace all telephone exchanges In Hydera­ 7 7 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 78 b ad Telephone District by electronic ex­ THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ changes; TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (b) if so, to what extent this replacement (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) and (b). Total has taken place so far; and number of Telugu serials is dependent on availability of telecast time, technical and (c) when Government propose to com­ programme manpower, suitable sponsored plete this programme? proposals etc. Increasing the content of Telugu programmes from Doordarshan THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Kendra, Hyderabad is a continuous process. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) No, Sir. There Setting up of Industries In Andhra is no proposal at present to replace all tele­ Pradesh with Italian Collaboration phone exchanges in Hyderabad Telephone District by electronic exchanges. However, 469. SHRI KATURI NARAYANA the life expired/wornout telephone ex­ SWAMY: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be change equipments are proposed to be pleased to state: replaced by electronic exchanges. (a) the total number of industries pro­ (b) Department has scrapped 2500 posed to be set-up in Andhra Pradesh with lines of Saifabad level ‘3’ and 2200 lines of Italian collaboration during 1988-89 and Secunderabad Level 7 ’ exchange so far. 1989-90; and Satellite exchanges at Saroor Nagar (600 lines), Rajender Nagar (400 lines), Chan- (b) the total capital investment involved drayangutta (400 lines), Golkonda (1100 in those industries? lines), Taranaka (625 lines), Contonment (600 lines), Champet (100 lines) and Bha- THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI vani Nagar (25 lines) have also been re­ J. VENGAL RAO) (a) and (b). During the placed by electronic RLUs. period from January to October, 1988. Government has approved 3 proposals for (c) At present only life expired or suffi­ setting up of industries in Andhra Pradesh ciently wornout equipment is being re­ with Italian Collaboration. The total project placed. Because of constraints in resources, cost of these proposals as envisaged by the it has been decided to replace equipment in Indian Companies is Rs. 67849 lakhs (ap­ the 8th Plan which has completed pre­ prox). As approvals are in response to pro­ scribed life by 1990. Hence, process of re­ posals made, hence, no projection for 1989 placement is likely to continue in the 9th Plan and 1990 is possible. and beyond. [Translation]

Telecast of Telugu Serials From Setting Up of Office of Superintendent Hyderabad T.V. Centre of Post Offices at Jaisalmer

468. SHRI S. PALAKONDRAYUDU: 470. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be BROADCASTING be pleased to state: pleased to state:

(a) whether there is a proposal to tele­ (a) whether there is no office of the cast more Telugu serials from Hyderabad Superintendent of Post Offices in Jaisalmer T.V. Kendra; and district of Rajasthan;

(b) if so, the details thereof? (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 7 9 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 80

(c) the date by which the office of the (d) if so, the reasons therefor? Superintendent of Post offices would be set up there? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) The MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI details of the wells are GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) No, Sir. No. of High gas-oil ration (b) and (c). A separate Postal Division is wells — 105 not justified for the Jaisalmer District accord­ No. of Water cut wells — 285 ing to existing departmental norms. No. of sick wells/wells under servicing — 372 [English] (b) The percentage of sick wells of STD Facility at Bapatla and Nldubrolu ONGC has not shown any increase during Towns In Andhra Pradesh the last 3 years.

471. SHRI C. SAMBU : Will the Minister The number of sick wells in OIL’S fields of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: are not considered very high considering the total number of oil wells in their fields. (a) whether there is any proposal to introduce STD telephone facility both at (c) and (d). Water injection schemes are Bapatla and Nidurabolu towns of Guntur being implemented according to expert district in Andhra Pradesh; and studies that are undertaken and keeping in view sound management practices. (b) if so, the steps taken in this regard? [ Translation] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Opening of Post Offices In Madhya GIRIDHAR GOMANGO ) : ( a) There is no Pradesh proposal to introduce S.T.D. Telephone facility both at Bapatla and Nidurabalu 473. SHRI K.N.PRADHAN : Will the Towns during 7th Plan. Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (b) Does not arise. (a) the number of post offices proposed Increase In Number of Sick Oil Wells to opened in Madhya Pradesh in 1988-89; and 472. DR. T. KALPANA DEVI : Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL (b) the names of villages in Bhopal, GAS be pleased to state: Sihore, Devas and Raisen districts where post offices are proposed to be opened? (a) the number of oil weils having high gas-oil ratio and those in the category of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE water out and sick wells: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) :(a) It is proposed (b) the reasons for sharp rise in the to open 209 new post offices in the State number of sick oil wells; during 1988-89;

(c) whether the scheme of water injec­ (b) There is a proposal to open a post tion which was scheduled from January, office in village Bhojpur in Raisen district. 1986 has not been implemented so fa r; and There are no proposals at present in respect 81 Written Answers KARTIKA 24.1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 82 of villages in the other three districts. pleased to state the waiting lists for tele­ phone connections in the four Metropolitan [English] cities as well as in the State Capitals as on 31 October, 1988 ? Waiting List for Telephone Connections In Metropolitan Cities and State Capi­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tals MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : Waiting list of 474. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: Metropolitan cities and state capitals as on Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 31.10.88 is as under­

Metropolitan city/state capital waiting list as on 31.10.88.

1 2

Delhi 2,15,793

Bombay 2,20,456

Calcutta 36,474

Madras 48,263

Srinagar 8,056

Chandigarh 16,386

Shimla 1,529

Lucknow 7,049

Patna 6,778

Bhopal 8,581

Jaipur 27,720

Gandhinagar 656

Hyderabad 37,578

Bangalore 45,479

Trivandrum 8,458

Bhubaneswar 2,397

Shillong 778

Gangtok 177'

Panjim 1,928 8 3 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 84

1 2 ' J

Dispur 1,326

Kohima 183

Itanagar 55

Aizwal 736

Imphal 823

Agartala 644

Port Blair 453

*as on 25.10.88.

Investment Limit of Small Scale and March’85 had enhanced the investment limit Ancillary Industrial Undertakings in plant & machinery for small scale indus­ trial undertakings from 20 lakhs to Rs. 35 475. SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI : Will lakhs and that for ancillary industrial under­ the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to taking from Rs. 25 lakhs to Rs. 45 lakhs. The state: main idea undertaking small scale industries itself is dispersed industrial development in (a) whether it is proposed to redefine the all areas including backward areas, employ­ Small Scale and Ancillary Industrial Under­ ment generation and manufacture of good9 takings and to increase limits of investment at competitive prices through exploitation of in fixed assets in plant and machinery; local resources and locaf skills.

(b) whether Government propose to Supply of Coke to States take care of impact of inflation since the last policy Statement of 23 July, 1980 and also 476. SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH : Will the the trend of liberalisation in industrial poli­ Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: cies ; and (a) the quantity of coke supplied to (c) how far the enhancement in invest­ States during the last three years, year-wise ment limits will help in industrial develop­ and State-wise; ment, especially of backward areas, in (b) whether the attention of Govern­ employment generation, gearing up of ex­ ment has been drawn to the acute shortage port promotion and improving competitive­ of coke in West Bengal; and ness ? (c) the steps taken by Government to solve the problem? THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (c). Keeping in view THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the escalation in the cost of plant and ma­ DEPARTMENT OF COAL IN THE MINIS­ chinery since 1980 and also to facilitate the TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI C.K. JAFFAR small scale and ancillary industrial under SHARIEF ) : (a) State-wise despatches of laying to modernise their plant and machin­ soft coke during the last three years js indi­ ery to achieve growth, the Government in cated below: 85 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910ISAKA) Written Answers 86

(Figures in '000 tonnes)

Sta tes 1985-86 1986-87 1987-88

1 2 3 4

Bihar 529.0 537.5 532.9

West Bengal 726.0 622.2 613.7

Uttar Pradesh 161.0 150.0 94.0

Orissa 7.0 4.0 4.0

Madhya Pradesh 1.0 — —

Maharashtra 3.0 — —

Gujarat 9.0 5.0 3.0

Rajasthan 18.0 8.0 1.0

Delhi 126.0 95.0 63.0

Punjab 26.0 10.0 4.0

Haryana 14.0 5.0 1.0

Karnataka 1.0. — —

Kerala — — 1.0

Jammu & Kashmir 1.0 2.0 —

Himachal Pradesh 4.0 1.0 —

Chandigarh 4.0 1.0 —

Sikkim 1.0 1.7 2.6

Assam 7.0 11.1 6.4

Nagaland — 2.1 3.5

Mizoram — — 0.9

Others 42.0 69.0 62.8

(b) There have been requests from (c) Following steps have been taken by West Bengal Govt, for increased supply of Coal India Limited to meet the demands of soft ooke. soft coke, having regard to the declining 8 7 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 88 p roduction of soft coke by CIL:" (d) The main considerations for issuing licences are industrial background of the 1. State sponsorees/nominees of applicant, financial resources to sustain the soft coke are being pursuaded to investment pattern, technological back-up take steam coal or natural soft and availability of the raw materials in the coke in lieu of soft coke. area where the unit is proposed to be lo­ cated. 2. Raw coal has been linked to bri­ quetting units to help in supple­ Assets of Top Industrial Houses menting the soft coke availabil­ ity. 478. SHRI BRAJA MOHAN MOHANTY : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased 3. CMPDIL has developed SSF to state: technology and necessary as­ sistance is being given to the (a) the growth of assets of each of the entrepreneurs wanting to set up fifty top industrial houses of the country SSF units by way of providing during last three years and upto the end of coal linkages and technical September, 1988, year-wise; know-how.

Applications for Manufacture of Potable (b) whether there has been an alarming Alcohol growth of assets in industrial and commer­ cial sector of economy; and 477. SHRI VISHNU MODI : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (c) if so, the steps taken by Government to counteract the trend? (a) the number of applications received by Government for the grant of licences for THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI manufacturing potable alcohol upto 1st J. VENGAL RAO): (a) Data on assets as at October, 1988 under Section 11 of Indus­ the end of September, 1988 are not avail­ tries Act, 1951; able since all the Balance sheets as on that date are not yet due. A statement showing (b) the number of letters of intent issued the assets in 1986-87, 1985 and 1984 of so far and the details thereof; companies registered unaer section 26 of the MRTP Act and belonging to the fifty top (c) the reasons for delay in considering Industrial Houses ranked according to their the pending applications in each case; and assets in 1986-87 is given below:

(d) the criteria laid down for issuing (b) Data on assets in industrial and letters of intent/licences for the manufacture commercial sector of economy are not avail­ of potable alcohol? able. The value of assets of large industrial houses increased by 21.8% 9.6% and THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI 13.7% during 1984,1985 and 1986-87 re­ J. VENGAL RAO ) : (a) About 260 applica­ spectively over the preceding year. tions. (c) Through the administration of the (b) Nil. provisions of MRTP Act. it is continuously ensured that concentration of economic (c) This was on account of framing of power to common detriment does not take guidelines for processing the application. place 8 9 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 90

STATEMENT

Assets in 1.986-87, 1985 and 1984 of companies registered under section 26 of the MRTP Act and belonging to the fifty top Industrial Houses ranked according to their assets in 1986 - 87.

Assts(Rs. in crores)

SI. No. Name of the 1986-87 1985 1984 Industrial House.

1 2 3 4 5

1. Tata 4939.88 3698.84 3120.13

2. Birla 4771.38 4111.55 3359.04

3. Reliance 2021.53 1056.36 672.96

4. J.K. Singhania 1426.67 1057.03 858.37

5. Thapar 1151.48 1067.86 699.35

6. Mafatlal 1050.50 964.60 786.60

7. Modi 860.15 818.86 610.30

8. Larsen & Toubro 830.56 714.93 480.79

9. M.A. Chidambaram 807.50 773.27 97.09

10. Bajaj 777.79 619.87 425.16

11. A.C.C. 760.68 742.68 654.16

12. Bangur 678.49 650.87 508.84

13. Hindustan Lever 631.89 435.96 381.81

14. Walchand 629.47 607.18 405.01

15. T.V. S. Iyengar 622.77 519.30 387.25

16. Shriram 590.90 541.78 406.70

17. I.T.C. 552.95 416.39 393.15

18. Kirloskar 474.78 433.01 397.81

19. Mahindra & Mahindra 465.87 431.19 408.17

20. I.C.I. 453.52 446.83 425.52 91 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 92

1 2 , 3 4 5

21. United Breweries 449.56 323.70 262.44

22. Escorts 414.78 342.70 250.06

23. Sarabhai 414.15 444.89 462.88

24. Macneil & Magor 393.55 309.03 194.52

25. Ashok Leyland 362.36 345.21 307.64

26. Khatau 349.68 316.12 231.57 r 27. Chowgule 343.34 324.74 327.35

28. Ahmedabad Electricity 341.51 258.29 215.16

29. Kasturbhai Lalbhai 340.16 307.34 271.41

30. Nawrosjee Wadia 326.21 233.66 208.65

31. Garware 289.25 261.78 200.73

32. Philips 286.25 244.16 200.69

33. Lohia Machines 267.72 202.95 162.80

34. Simpson 262.27 217.71 185.70

35. Bhiwandiwala A.H. 253.52 216.67 188.58

36. Dunlop 253.49 238.09 243.99

37. Essar Bulk Carrier 251.47 161.57 161.35

38. Goenka (K.P) 246.60 228.96 205.66

39. Oberoi M.S. 244.21 157.71 136.98

40. Godrej 225.99 206.44 158.61

41. Nirlon synthetics 223.49 184.38 120.49

42. Madura Coats 207.60 195.79 122.33

43. Bombay Suburban 206.99 144.21 130.61

44. Orkay Silk 199.86 98.08* 75.99*

45. Raunaq Singh 199.30 178.47 157.43 93 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 94

46. IMFA 192.78 104.66 48.98

47. G.K.M. 188.37 188.16 164.33

48. Ceat Tyres 184.60 177.28 146.92

49. Murugappa Chettiar 182.84 173.25 158.15

50. V. Ramakrishna 172.67 94.50 164.78

one company only

Export of Bulk Drugs (c) if not, the reasons therefor?

479. SHRI K. PRADHANI : Will the THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: J. VENGAL RAO ): (a) to (c). There is no category like 'super managers’ in Central (a) the names of major bulk drugs which public sector undertakings. However, the are being exported; and Bureau of Public Enterprises organises Advanced Management Programmes (b) the cash compensatory support on (AMPs) for senior managers who have the the exports of 6 APA and the basis on which potential to rise to the Board level appoint­ it has been fixed? ments in public sector undertakings. Eleven such programmes have been conducted so THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI far in collaboration with the premier manage­ J. VENGAL RAO ) : (a) The major items of ment institutes in the country. The duration bulk drugs exported from India are of this programme is six weeks. The pro­ Amoxycillin, Ampicillin Trihydrate, Cephal­ gramme has proved very useful in preparing exin, Chloproparnide, Dexycycline, Etham- them to share higher responsibilities at butol, Methyl Dopa, Metronidazole, Par­ Board level in the public sector. acetamol, Sulphamethoxyzole, and Tri­ methoprim. Strategy to make public sector enter­ prises cost effective (b) As a drug intermediate, 6 APA is not entitled to any cash assistance at present. 481. SHRI V. SOBHANADREES- WARA RAO: Will the Ministerof INDUSTRY Super managers for Public Sector be pleased to state: Undertakings (a) Whether Government are consider­ 480. SHRI P.R.S. VENKATESAN : Will ing to evolve a strategy to make public sector the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to enterprises cost effective and their products state: internationally competitive; and

(a) whether there is any proposal to train (b) if so, the details thereof? super managers for the public sector under­ takings. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). From time to (b) if so, the details thereof; and time, (Government have been taking various 95. Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 96 steps to improye the performance of Central (a) the number of licences so far issued Public Sector Enterprises. These steps dif­ for the use of Fax facility to the private fer from enterprise to enterprise depending parties; and on their specific problems. However, stress h)as always been laid on cost effectiveness (b) how much revenue is expected by so as to remain competitive both in the Government through this system? national and international markets. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Licences for FAX Facility MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO ) : (a) Number of 482. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU : Willlicences issued so far for use of FAX facility the'M inister of COMMUNICATIONS be to the private parties; pleased to state:

(i) for subscribers own use : 1025

• (ii) For P u b licise 2

(b) Annual expected revenue will be (b) Speed Trunk Service from Fari­ about Rs. 31 lakhs. dabad to Bangalore has been commis­ sioned on 4.11.1988 on experimental basis. Introduction of Speed Trunk Service (c) Introduction of Speed Trunk Service 483. SHRI V. SREENIVASA from other stations including Bangalore to PRASAD: certain important cities will be considered SHRI M. V. CHAN­ after observing public response to this serv­ DRASEKHARA MUR- ice opened on experimental basis on a few THY: routes.

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ Coal Production in Orissa TIONS be pleased to state: 484. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : Will (a) whether Government have decided the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: io introduce Speed Trunk Service on Fari- dabad -Bangalore route shortly on experi­ (a) whether Government have taken mental basis; steps to increase coal production in Orissa;

(b) if so, the details in this regard; and (b) if so, the target set therefor during the Seventh Plan period; and (c) when the Speed Trunk Service will (c) the achievement made so far, year- be introduced to other important cities from wise? Bangalore? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF COAL IN THE MINIS­ MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI C.K.JAFFAR GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes. Sir. It has SHARIEF) :(a) Yes, Sir. been decided to introduce Speed Trunk (b) and (c). Year - wise target of coal Service on experimental basis from Fari- production in mines located in Orissa during dabad to Bangalore i.e. Service will be avail­ VII Plan period and actual production are able to Faridabad Subscribers. indicated below: - 97 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 98

(Figures in million tonnes)

Ye ar Target Actual

1985-86 4.95 > 6.63

1986-87 6.20 7.08

1987-88 8.66 8.97

1988-89 10.71 —

1989-90 11.88 —

[ Translation] action proposed to be taken in the matter?

Purchase of Transformers by Delhi Electric Supply Undertaking THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ 485. SHRI HARISH RAWAT : Will the TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALPNATH RAI) Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: : (a) to (d). A statement showing the number of transformers of 100/400/630/1000 KVA (a) the number of transformers pur­ purchased by the Delhi Electric Supply chased by the Delhi Electric Supply Under­ Undertaking (DESU), those burnt/damaged taking during the last three years, year-wise; within guarantee period during 1986-87 - 1988-89 (upto 8.11.88) and those lying (b) the number of transformers, out of burnt/damaged as on 8.11.88 after account­ them, which have either burnt or damaged ing for the burnt/damaged transformers within the guarantee period; having been repaired/ replaced by the manufacturers/ suppliers under the contrac­ (c) if so, whether these transformers tual obligation is given below. According to have been replaccd/repaired by their suppli­ DESU, the remaining transformers so lying ers and full details in this regard; and . with DESU are also expected to be repaired by the manufactures/suppliers, failing which they are liable to be proceeded against in the (d) if not, the reasons therefor and the court of law. STATEMENT Particulars Year

1986-87 1987-88 1988-89 (upto 8,11,88)

No. of transformers purchased. 839 913 328 No. of transformers burnt/ 220 345 186 damaged within guarantee period (including transformers purchased and carried forward from the previous year(s). No. of transformers burnt/damaged during guarantee period lying with DESU as on 8.11.88 . 406. 99 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 100

Regularlsatlon of Services of Dally continuously working for more than one Wage Workers In Departments of Posts year. Accordingly, absorption is being done and Telecommunications as per policy guidelines of the Government.

486. SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY (c) The total number of casual labour with two or more years of service working in DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR the Department of Telecom, is about 87,000 TRIPATHI : excluding Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Ltd. Number not absorbed is not available. The delay is due to non-availability of re­ Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ quired number of regular posts. TIONS be pleased to state: (d) Relevant extracts from the agree­ (a) whether the Bharatiya Dak Tar ment dated 17.4.87 with the Federations are Mazdoor Sangh has treated to launch an given in the Statement below. No time limit is agitation over the issue of regularizing the prescribed but efforts are being made to services of the workers of the Departments absorb eligible casual labour as early as of Posts and Telecommunications; possible.

(b) if so, the reasons for not implement­ Statement to be laid on the Table of Lok ing so far the judgement of the Supermen Sabah vide Part (d) of Unstarred Question Court that the service of daily wage workers No. 486. for 15.11.88. who have rendered more than one year of service should be regularised; STATEMENT

(c) the number of daily wage workers Extracts from the Agreement dated under these departments in various States 17.4. 87 with two or more years service whose serv­ “ Regularisation of daily rates Mazdoor ices have not been regularised so far and the including those in Mahanagar Telephone reasons for delay in this regard; and Nigam Ltd.

(d) the details of the agreement reached Action will be taken to process cases in between the said trade union and telecom­ respect of the following issues in consulta­ munications departments on 18 April, tion with the Ministry of Finance: 1987 and the time by which this will be implemented? (i) The pay increase for daily rated Mazdoors, who have completed THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR IN a service of 3/5 years and are THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS eligible for 3/4 or full wage of (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) The minimum of Group D scale, to be Bharatiya Dak Tar Mazdoor Manch (not made effective from 1.1.86 in­ Sangh) which is an unrecognised Union is stead of 1.10.86; conducting an agitation in the form of dharna from 20-9-1988 for an indefinite period" be­ (ii) The inclusion of the element of fore Sanchar Bhavan over the issue of regu- HR4 and CCA in the DRMs larisation of casual labour in the Department wages will be pursued with the of Telecom. Three Ministers’ Committee.

(b) The Supreme Court’s directive the (iii) The case for making the DRMs Department is only to prepare a Scheme on eligible for medical facilities a rational basis for absorption as far as under the ESI scheme will be possible the casual labour who have been processed; 101 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 102

(iv) Absorption of DRMs who have (b) and (c). Does not arise. completed 7 years of service as on 31.3.87 as regular staff Expansion of TV/AIR network

[English] 489. SHRI S. B. SIDNAL : SHRI SHANTILAL PATEL : Excessive Telephone Bills of Members of Parliament Will the Minster of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: 487. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (a) whether Government have taken a pleased to state: decision for the expansion of television and radio network in the country ;’ (a) whether the communications from Members of Parliament regarding their ex­ (b) if so, whether Government are con­ cessive telephone bills have remained sidering to implement a crash programme of unaltered ; and setting up 100 more low power T. V. trans­ (b) if so, the reasons thereof? mitters in the country ;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) whether this will be in addition to the MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI scheme in the Seventh Plan for the expan­ GIRIDHAR GOMANGO ) : (a) and (b). sion of the electronic media; and No.Sir, All communications from Members of Parliament are attended to promptly. (d) if so, the details of places where LP However, there may occasionally be delay in transmitters will be set up and the time by sending final replies in respect of complaints which this programme will be implemented? relating to xcess billing due to the need for detailed investigation in consultation with THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ the authorities concerned. TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ FORMATION AND BROADCASTING Supply of Coal to Textile Mills in (SHRI H.K.L.BHAGAT) : (a) Yes, Sir. Nagpur (b) to (d). A proposal to include a new 488. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT : scheme under the VII plan for establishment Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to of 100 additional transmitters during the state: Seventh Plan period itself has been initiated but it is yet to be approved by the Govern­ (a) whether due to shortage of coal, a ment. The locations of all the transmitters large number of textiles mills in Nagpur have have also not yet been finalised. been badly affected; [T ranslation] (b) if so, the reasons for short supply of coal to textile mills; and Advertisements given to Newspapers by DAVP (c) the steps Government propose to take to meet the adequate demand of coal of 490. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD RAWAT : the textile units in Nagpur? Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF COAL IN THE MINIS­ (a) the names of newspapers which TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI C.K.JAFFAR were accepted by DAVP in 1987 for giving SHARIEF) : (a) No, Sir. advertisements; 103 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 104

(b) the procedure adopted by DAVP for advances being secured from specialised the allotment of advertisements; institutions like HDFC, LIC, etc.

(c) the details of advertisements given (c) The shortfall in production of manu­ to newspapers between Mach, 1987 and facturing components between 3.10.88 and February, 1988? 5.10. 88 was Rs. 7 lakhs.

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ Employment Benefit to Local People In FORMATION AND BROADCASTING Public Sector Units in Gujarat (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT) : (a) The list will be placed on the Table of the House. 492. SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTA : Will the Minster of INDUSTRY be pleased to (b) The advertisements are released to state: various newspapers keeping in view the publicity requirements and availability of (a) whether any representation has funds and the reach of the newspapers. been received by Government to the effect that local people are not getting adequate (c) Advertisements worth Rs 9,22,40, benefit of employment in the Indian Petro­ 158,00 were released to the newspapers chemicals Corporation Limited, Baroda and during the year 1987-88. other public sector units in Gujarat; and

[English] (b) if so, the steps taken by Government thereon? Hunger strike In HMT Watch Factory, Tumkur THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). The informa­ 491. SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER : Will tion is being collected and will be laid on the the Minster of INDUSTRY be pleased to table of the House. state: Demand for more Kannada Program­ (a) whether Government are aware that mes from Doordarshan Kendra, there was a hunger strike by the employees Bangalore of HMT Watch Factory at Tumkur, Karna­ taka during October, 1988; 493. SHRIV. KRISHNA RAO: Will the Minster of INFORMATION AND BROAD­ (b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and CASTING be pleased to state:

(c) the loss of production due to the (a) whether there is any demand from above strike? the people of Karnataka to increase duration of Kannada programmes from Bangalore THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Doordarshan Kendra; J. VENGAL RAO ) : (a) and (b). The office bearers of the HMT Watch Factory Employ­ (b) the total duration f Kannada pro­ ees Union, Tumkur, went on a hunger strike grammes in a day from Bangalore Kendra; from 3.10.88 to 5.10. 88 demanding continu­ ation of the existing house building and (c) whether there had been some agita­ vehicle advance schemes on a permanent tions at Doordarshan and Akashvani Kendra basis and protesting against the proposal of in Bangalore recently in this regard; the management to restrict the quantum of loans from the company and to introduce (d) if so, the reaction of Government interest subsidy schemes, the loans and thereon; and 105 Written Answers KARTIKA 24.1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 106-

(e) the steps taken to increase the dura­ [ Transiation] tion of Kannada programmes? Manufacture of matches in Tamllnadu THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ 495. SHRI TEJA SJNGH DARDI: FORMATION AND BROADCASTING SHRI BALWANT SINGH RA- (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT ) : (a) Yes, Sir. MOOWALIA:

(b) Doordarshan Kendra, Bangalore Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to telecasts programmes for a duration of 2 hrs. state: 10 mts. from Monday to Saturday and for 45 mts. on Sundays. Bulk of the programme (a) whether matches are manufactured originating from Bangalore is in Kannada. in small scale and cottage industries in Tamilnadu; (c) and (d). A few miscreants had en­ tered the premises of AIR at Bangalore on (b) if 90, whether big industries have 2.10.1988 and tried to read out a text against also started entering this ares: the alleged domination of Kannadigas by outsiders. No demand for more Kannada (c) if so, the detaiis thereof; and programmes seemed to have been raised. (d) the steps taken by government to (e) h is the endeavour of Doordarshan safeguard the interests of small scale and to increase transmission time of various cottage industries? Doordarshan Kendras, including Bangalore subject to availability of manpower and re­ , THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI sources. J. VENGAL RAO ) : (a) Yes Sir.

Constitution of District Telephone (b) and (c). No, sir. The item is reserved Advisory Committees in Punjab for sma'I scale sector, since 1st April, 1967.

494. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHARY : Will (d) Small and cottage sector units are the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be required to pay excise duty at tower rates. pleased to state: Defence Telephone Service in North (a) the details of the districts in Punjab Bihar where District Telephone Advisory Commit­ tees have not been constituted or have not 496. SHRI RAM BHAGAT PASWAN : been reconstituted after expirey of their Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be terms till 30th September, 1988 ; and pleased to state:

(b) the time by which such District Tele­ (a) the causes for continuous defective phone Advisory Committees will be consti­ telephone service in Darbhanga, Madhu- tuted/reconstituted? bani, Samastipur, Saran, Champaran, Saharsa and Purnia districts in North Bihar; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) the number of complaints received GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) and (b). There during the last two years regarding unsatis­ are three District Telephone Advisory factory telephone service and over-billing; Committees in Punjab namely for Amritsar, Jalandhar and Ludhiana Telephone Dis­ (c) whether the complaint of over billing tricts. There tenures are upto 30.04.90,30.9 is being looked into by the officers respon­ 89 and 30.6.89 respectively. sible for preparing such wrong bills, and 107 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 108

(d) the number of complaints found to TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI C.K. JAFFAR be genuine so far and the number of persons SHARIEF) : (a) No Budgetary allocations to whom the amount of wrong billing has i are made by the Government directly for the been refunded? welfare of coal miners. However, the public sector coal companies have been spending THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE substantial amounts on the welfare of their MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI workers. The estimated capital expenditure GIRIDHAR GOMANGO ) : (a) Telephone on welfare of their workers by Coal India services in Darbhanga, Madhubani, Samas- Group of companies during the last three tipur, Saran, Champaran Saharsa and Pur- years has been as follows: nia district in North Bihar are generally satis­ factory. (In lakhs of rupees)

(b) Number of complaints received 1985-86 10042-00 during the last two years i.e. 1986 1987 regarding unsatisfactory telephone services 1986-87 12136-00 and over-billing were 1131 and 1111 respec­ tively. 1987-88 10877-00

(c) Complaints of over-billing are looked into byresponsible officers. (b) and (c). Expenditure by coal compa­ nies on welfare in Individual collieries is not (d) Wrong bills brought to the notice of monitored by Government. the Department are corrected immediately if genuine . Details regarding the number of cases where rebate was given after investi- [English] , gation are being collected and will be placed on the table of the House. Telecast of Two Hindi Films in a Week Allocation for Welfare of Employees in Collieries 498. SHRIMATI PRABHAWATI GUPTA : Will the Minister of INFORMATION 497. SHRI YOGESHWAR PRASAD AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: YOGESH: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased t£> state: (a) whether there is any proposal to show two Hindi films in a week on Doord­ arshan; and (a) the allocation made to various cor­ porations/institutions and other units in the (b) if so, the time by which it is going to country for the welfare of employees in col­ materialise? lieries during the last three years, year-wise;

(b) the amount utilised out of it and the THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- unutilised amount returned; and TARY AFFAIRS AND THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (c) the names of those units which have (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT) : (a) and (b). Yes, returned the funds and how these are pro­ Sir. Doordarshan is contemplating to have posed to be utilised ? an additional Hindi popular feature film tele­ cast every week from Delhi and its relay transm itters. Date and time of telecast will be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE decided as soon as sufficient number of DEPARTMENT OF COAL IN THE MINIS­ good films are available 109 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 110

[Translation^ 200.00 lakhs has been made to Kerala in the State Sector by the Planning commission for Approval of Power Projects of Madhya the 7th Five Year Plan. For 1988-89, a sum Pradesh of Rs. 10.00 lakhs has been allocated to the State of Kerala in the State Sector for the 499. SHRI KAMMODILAL JATAV : Will development and production of non-con- the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state ventional energy sources. Funds for the the names of power projects in Madhya Central Sector are not allocated State-wise Pradesh which have been accorded ap­ These are released depending upon the proval during the last three years? target fixed for ihe various programmes in different State and the availability.of funds. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN­ Selection of Journalists accompanying ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALPNATH P.M/Presldent/Vlce President on RAI): (a) The following power projects in Foreign Tours Madhya Pradesh have been accorded in­ vestment approval by the Planning Commis­ 501. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will the sion during the last three years: Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD­ CASTING be pleased to state: HYDRO (a) the names of the journalists who 1. Rudri Canal Mini Hydel (2x100 accompanied the Prime Minister during his KW) foreign tours in last three years and the current year (as on 30.9.88) visit-wise and 2. Barna Mini Hydel ( 2x2750 KW) the names of papers which each of them represented; 3. Korba West Bank Mini (1 x 800 KW) (b) the names of the journalists (and of their papers) who accompanied the Presi- 4. Tawa LBC Small H.S. (4 x3 MW) dent/Vice-President in‘ their foreign tours during the same period; and 5. Bhimgarh ( 4 x 600 KW) (c) do the guidelines forthe selection of 6. Birsinghpur HEP ( 1x20 MW) journalists in the two cases differ and if so, in what respects? THERMAL THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ 7. Pench Thermal Power Station ( TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ 2 x2 1 0 MW) FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) to (c). The infor­ [English] mation is being collected and shall be laid on the Table of the Sabha in due course. Allocation to Kerala for Production of Non-conventional Energy Telephone Connections In Ernakulam

500. SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS : Will 502. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: Will the the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased the amount allotted to Kerala for production to state: of non-conventional energy ? (a) the number of applications for tele­ THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI phone connections pending in Ernakulam VASANT SATHE ): (a) An allocation of Rs. Telephones as on 30 September, 1988; and 111 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 112

Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be (b) how many now connections will be pleased to state: provided tiil December/1989? (a) whether Government have made THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE any survey of the over-staffing problem in MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI public sector units; GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) 10893 applica­ tions are pending for Telephone Connec­ (b) if so, the names of the public sector tions in Ernakulam Telephones as on 30-9- undertakings where the number of workers 88. on the rolls is much higher than required;

(b) About 4000 connections are likely to (c) whether Government have pre­ be provided till December, 1989. pared any scheme to motivate the workers in such over staffed public sector undertakings Microwave System in Sikkim to accept voluntary retirement; and * 504. SHRIMATI D.K. BHANDARI: Will (d) if so, the details thereof? the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (d). Thirty one (a) whether a proposal for provision of public enterprises out of 209 public enter­ Microwave system for Sikkim has been re­ prises from which information has been col­ ceived; lected have reported that they have abput 50287 employees surplus to their require­ (b) if so, the details thereof; ments. 86 public enterprises confirmed that they did not have surplus manpower (c) whether Government propose to whereas the remaining 92 public enterprises provide Microwave system in Sikkim; have not yet identified surplus staff. Parame­ ters for introducing Voluntary Retirement (d) if so, the details thereof; and Schemes for the employees of public enter­ prises have been circulated vice BPE’sO.M. (e) if not, the reasons therefor? dated 5.10.1988, copy given in the State­ ment below. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) to (d). It is STATEMENT proposed to link the 3 District Headquarters namely Gayzing, Namchi and Mangan through UHF scheme to Gangtok via Darjee­ No. 2 (36)/86-BPE (WC) ling. These schemes are planned for Government of India commissioning during 1989-90. It is also Ministry of Industry proposed to upgrade the existing UHF link Bureau of Public Enterprises between Darjeeling and Gangtok into a Microwave link. Public Enterprises Bhavan, (e) Does not arise. CGO Complex, Block No. 14, Lodi Road, New Delhi-110003. Voluntary Retirement Scheme in Public Dated the 5th October, 1988. Sector Undertakings OFFICE MEMORANDUM 505. SHRI BHATTAM SRI RAMAMURTY: Subject:— Voluntary Retirementforthe SHRI H.B. PATIL: employees of Public Enterprises. 13 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 114

Government had been considering for example, an employee, who has juite some time the introduction of a volun- put in 24 years of service and has ary retirement scheme for the employees of got only one year of service for )ublic sector enterprises with a view to re- normal retirement, will get ex- iucing surplus manpower. After careful gratia payment of only 12 consideration it has been decided that public months’ emoluments and not 36 sector enterprises can introduce a voluntary months’ emoluments. retirement scheme on the following terms and conditions:— (e) In addition, the employee and his family would also be entitled to (a) An employee who has com­ travel by the entitled class to the pleted 10 years of service or place where he intends settling completed 40 years of age may down. seekvoluntary retirement by a written request. 2. The Voluntary Retirement Scheme would be applicable to all Employees work­ (b) The management of the enter­ ers and executives. Where there is a surplus prise will have the right not to manpower, the vacancy caused by Volun­ grant voluntary retirement for tary Retirement Scheme would not be filled reasons to be recorded in writ­ up. Voluntary Retirement Schemes on the ing. above parameters can be introduced by the Public Enterprises with the approval of the (c) Theterminalpayments available Administrative Ministries. to an employee who seeks vol­ untary would be: 3. If in exceptional cases where a higher ex-gratia payment is proposed to be (i) the balance in his Provident made, the approval of the Bureau of Public Fund Account payable as Enterprises must be obtained by the admin­ per the CPF regulation. istrative Ministries. It is also clarified that if an (ii) cash equivalent of accumu­ enterprise has already adopted a Voluntary lated earned leave as per Retirement Scheme, on conditions different the rules of the enterprise. from what is stated in para one above, the (iii) gratuity as per Gratuity Act same can be continued by them. Availability or the gratuity scheme ap­ of funds for implementing the Voluntary plicable to the employee. Retirement Scheme as proposed above has (iv) one months'/three months’ to be sorted out by the administrative Minis­ notice pay (as per the condi­ tries through normal inter-ministerial consul­ tions of service applicable tations. to him). 4. Ministry of Petroleum & Natural Gas, (d) In addition, an employee whose Ministry of Agriculture & Cooperation etc. request for Voluntary Retire­ are requested to bring the details of the ment is accepted would also be Voluntary Retirement Scheme to the notice entitled to an ex-gratia payment of the PSEs under their administrative con­ equivalent to 1 1/2 months’ trol. emoluments (pay + DA) for each completed year of service or the Sd/- monthly emolument at the time of retirement multiplied by the (Krishna Chandra) balance months of service left Joint Director, Bureau of Public before normal date of retire­ Enterprises ment, whichever is less. For . Tel. No. 360841. 115 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 116

To 10. Secretary, HPPC, CGO Complex, Lodi Road, New Delhi. All administrative Ministries/Depart­ ments of the Government of India. Sd/- Copy to:— (Krishna Chandra) 1. Chief Executives of the Public Enter­ Joint Director, Bureau of Public prises. Enterprises Tel. No. 360841. 2. Secretary, 6COPE, CGO Complex, Lodi Road, New Delhi. Protests against Dead Telephones

3. Comptroller & Auditor General of In­ 507. SHRI P.M. SAYEED: Will the dia, AGCR Building, Indraprastha Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased Estate, New Delhi-110002. iO state:

4. Secretary (PE)/AS, BPE/Adviser (F)/ (a) the number of protests lodged and JA (W)/JA (B)/DS (C)/ Director (F)/JD agitations made against dead telephones all (IARR), BPE, New Delhi. over the country during the last three months indicating the names of places and States; 5. All Financial Advisers in the Adminis­ trative Ministries. (b) the nature of complaints enlisted; and 6. Department of Expenditure, E-ll Branch, North Block, New Delhi. (c) the remedial steps taken by Govern­ ment in response thereto? 7. Additional Secretary, Insurance Divi­ sion, Deptt. of Economic Affairs, Nirva- chan Sadan, New Delhi. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI 8. Additional Secretary, Banking Divi­ GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) to (c) Protests sion, Department of Economic Affairs, were lodged at 36 places against functioning Jeevan Vihar Building, New Delhi. of telephones all over the country during the last three months. Name of places, nature of 9. Secretary, PESB, CGO Complex, Lodi complaints and remedial steps taken are Road, New Delhi. given in the Statement below. 117 STATEMENT

* SI. No. No. of cases Name of S tit 9/Place Nature of Complaint Remedial action taken AnswersWritten

1 2 3 4 5

1. 3 Kerala State Deteriorated Service & Deterioration was due to staff Calicut Erankulam Kottayam excess billing agitation. Stalled by transfer under ATK 2, 1910 24, KARTIKA rule 37 ot suspected staff. Action already taken against erring officials. As a result service is showing improvement.

2. 1 Maharashtra Wrong numbers and Cause of complaint was agitation Pune dead by technicians and heavy rains. Cable fault have been rectified and technicians have started working to rectify faults. SK) rte Answers Written {SAKA) 3. 2 West Bengal Deterioration in telcom Concerned maintenance officers Siliguri Malda services had been asked to take action against erring technicians. Technicians also extended co­ operation and services are improving.

4. 2 Uttar Pradesh -d o - Problems were solved by Kanpur discussion with representatives of Farukhabad agitators at Kanpur and special

teams were arranged at Farukhabad 118 for maintenance.

Punjab Jagraon in Dead telephones Internal and external plants of the Ludhiana district exchange were tested thoroughly and faults were rectified. As a result telephone services has improved.

Tamil Nadu Frequent interruption Concerned officers met the repre­ Ambur in telephone services sentatives of the demonstrators

Arupukottai Telephone not working and explained them the situation NOVEMBER Cumbum properly. arose due to technicians strike. Dindigu! Unsatisfactory local, Following steps were also being Dharapuram STD and inter-dialling taken. Erode service. i. Officials indulging in non­

Karaikudi cooperation and instigation etc. 198815. Mattapalayam were transferred to other Madurai stations under rule - 37. Nagarcoil Amakkal ii. Disciplinary action initiated Paramakudi against erring staff. Rajapalayam Sattur iii. Special teams were organised AnswersWritten Salem and sent to rectify the faults Theni and to restore the services to Tribhuhanam normalcy. Tiruthengodc?

Trivunelveii iv. Staff were motived to give their Urmalpet normal output. Vaniamvadi 120 Aranthangi ro rte AnswersWritten

Mayladutarai Nagapalyan Nagore

Assam ( 24.1910 KARTIKA Sarupalher Telephones out of order Sarupathar exchange since restored Sivsagar by organising special maintenance party.

Sivsagar telephone exchange restored to normalcy after carrying out normal routine maintenance. AA Witn Answers Written SAKA) 122 123 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 124

[ Translation] (a) whether it is a fact that Government are not allowing foreign companies to use Reduction in Price of LPG for Hftly their original brand names in India; Areas (b) whether Pepsico is also not to use its 508. SHRI K.D. SULTANPURI: Willthe original brand name; Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: (c) the reasons why many foreign brand names still continue to be used; (a) whether it is a fact that there are very few gas agencies in Himachal Pradesh; (d) whether Non Resident Indians are also availing of similar benefits; and (b) if so, whether it is proposed to allot more LPG agencies in that State to obviate (e) if so, whether a uniform policy will be felling of trees; and adopted in this regard?

(c) whether Government propose to THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI bring down the price of LPG for the benefit of J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (e). The approvals the villagers of hilly areas? given by the Government for foreign collabo­ ration, whether given to Non-Resident Indi­ THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ans or others, contain a standard condition MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ that foreign brand names shall not be al­ RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) and lowed to be used on domestic sales. Such a (b). There were 30 LPG distributorships condition has also been imposed in the functioning in Himachal Pradesh as on approval given to M/s. Punjab Agro Indus­ 1.10.1988. In addition, 6 more distributor­ tries Corpn. Ltd. for foreign collaboration ships are at various stages of commission­ with M/s Pepsico Inc., U.S.A. The Trade & ing. Government have also decided that Merchandise Marks Act does not prohibit the distributorships at 12 more locations in the use of foreign brand names, while under the State are to be set up through the Himachal Foreign Exchange Regulation Act, prior Pradesh State Civil Supplies Corporation; permission of the Reserve Bank of India is required for the use of foreign trade marks if (c) Under a scheme introduced with ^such use involves payment of direct or indi­ effect from 16.6.1988, no freight is being rect consideration in foreign exchange. charged on LPG for domestic use ior sup­ plies in the identified hilly areas on the trans­ [ Translation] portation from the refinery to the bottling plant and from the bottling plant to the LPG Setting up of Electronic Telephone distributor; also, wherever supplies are Exchanges in Uttar Pradesh made at the extension points, from the dis­ tributor point to such extension points where 510. SHRI HAFIZ MOHD.SIDDIQ: Wil! LPG marketing and distribution is done by the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be the State Government agencies/State Gov­ pleased to state: ernment companies, in the hill areas. (a) the places where electronic tele­ [English] phone exchanges have been installed in Uttar Pradesh; and Use of Brand Names (b) the time by which electronic tele­ 509. DR. G. VIJAYA R.\MA RAO: Will phone exchanges would be set up at those the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to places in Uttar Pradesh where there are no state: such exchanges? 125 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 126

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 19. Kashipur MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Information is 20. Rudrapur given in the Statement I below. 21. Kichha (b) There is no plan at present to convert all the telephone exchanges. How­ 22. Ramnagar ever, electronic exchanges have been planned for some more places in U.P. as 23. Ghaziabad given in Statement II below. 24. Noida

STATEMENT I 25. Kanpur

List of places where Electronic Exchanges STATEMENT II have been installed List of places where Electronic Exchanges 1. Orai have been planned

2. Banda 1. Lucknow

3. Pithoragarh 2. Allahabad

4. Fatehpur 3. Gorakhpur

5. Pauri 4. Mathura

6. Lalitpur 5. Dehradun

7. Ranikhet 6. Moradabad

8. Surajpur 7. Rae Bareily

9. Sultanpur 8. Agra

10. Ghazipur 9. Hardwar (with RLUs at Reishikesh & Jwalapur) 11. Baraut

12. Nainital 10. Hapur

13. Almorah 11. Pilakhwa

14. Ujhani 12. Bulandshehar

15. Vrindaban 13. Meerut

16. Ko-sikalan 14. Khurja

17. Goverdhan 15. Seconderabad

18. Sadabad 16. Darabad 127 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 128

17 . Roorkee state:

18. Khatauli " (a) the list of villages in Madhya Pradesh which are proposed to be electrified 19. Faizabad with solar energy; and

20. Rampur (b) the arrangements made in these 21. Modi Nagar villages to supervise the works relating to solar energy? 22. Mankapur

23. Sitarganj THE MINISTER OF ENERGY

31. Loni (b) The Urja Vikas Nigam Ltd. and the 32. Deoband State Electricity Board are responsible for works relating to solar energy. For Supervi­ 33. Morandnagar sion of work in villages, the State Agencies have their regional offices at every divisional In addition to above, 67 small capacity (commissionary) level where suitable staff is electronic exchanges have been planned to posted to look after the work. They are be installed at various places in U.P. assisted by field staff who carry out periodic Electrification of Villages In Madhya inspection and maintenance of the system. Pradesh with Solar Energy These agencies are also now giving turn key jobs to the supplies of hardware including 511. SHRI MOHAN LAL JHIKRAM: installation and one year maintenance con­ Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to tracts.

\ 129 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 130

STATEMENT

List of Villages proposed to be electrified by solar photovoltaic systems Street lights/domestic lights

S. Name of District No. village

1 2 3

1. Boma Sagar

2. Delhari Sagar

3. Chamelikhapa Sagar i 4. Chikpipla Sagar

5. Ankhikeda Sagar

6. Adharpur Sagar

7. Mahegaon Sagar

8. Chandrapur Sagar

9. Pathamohli Sagar

10. Pillor Raipur

11. Kandoolnag Raipu

12. Chhina Khadepal Raipui

13. Pujarikanker Raipur

14. Chinnakapali Raipur

15. Pedakapalee Raipur

16. Pegdhapalli Raipur

17. Pawrel Raipur

18. Sand re I Raipur

19. Madakpal Raipur

Raipur 20. “PorwGdh i Bilaspur 2fl. Lemru 1 22. Jaleshwar Shahdol > 131 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 132

1 2 3

23. Markeli Rajnandgaon

24. Mead re Sarguja

25. Maheshwar Sarguja

26. Hari Harpur Sarguja

27. Jahardarpur Sarguja

28. Korni Bilaspur

29. Mikdenga Raigarh

30. ' Kevehchi Bilaspur

31. Ramgarh Sarguja

32. Chikhralota Mandla

33. Dohautola Mandla

34. 2TTR STC Jabalpur Jabalpur (Defence Establishment)

35. Umarikhas Rewa

36. Bootapura Guna

37. Jagdishgarh Morena

38. Katar Kheda y* Dhar * 39. Daldali Rajnandgaon

40. Uda Koh Dhar w 41. Badi Dhar

42. Budi Mandva Dhar

Small photovoltaic power plants

43. Kharsol Shahdol (3.7 kilowatt capacity)

44. Mohbanda Bilaspur (3.3 kilowatt capacity) /» ‘ 133 Written Answers KARTIKA 24.1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 134

[English] (d) whether Government are aware that many of the consumer items advertised on Upgradatlon, Modernisation and TV are luxury oriented and their prices are so Renovation off Hydro-Electric Power high that middle classes or lower middle Stations classes cannot afford to buy them; and

512. SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHA- (e) if so, the reaction of Government MAN: Will the Minister of ENERGY be thereon? pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ (a) whether there is a proposal for TARY AFFAIRS AND THE MINISTER OF upgradation, modernisation and renovation INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING of some existing hydro electric power sta­ (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) The rates for tions in the country; telecast of advertisements on the National Network range from Rs. 15,000/- to Rs. (b) if so, the details thereof; 80,000/- for 10 seconds. The rates for such advertisements on Regional Kendras vary (c) the total expenditure to be incurred from Rs. 500/- to Rs. 22,590/- for 10 sec­ for the purpose; and onds. These rates are uniform for all items.

(d) the additional power generation (b) No, Sir. expected as a result thereof? (c) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTOF POWER IN THE MINIS­ (d) and (e). Advertisements telecast on TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): Doordarshan relate to a wide range of prod­ (a) and (b). A scheme for renovation and ucts and services, from inexpensive con­ uprating of 49 existing hydro power stations sumer items to higher-priced consumer in the country with total installed capacity of durables. The acceptance of advertise­ 8834 MW has been prepared. ments is governed by the Code for Commer­ cial Advertising and only such advertise­ (c) Estimated expenditure for the ments as are in conformity with the Code are scheme is Rs. 278 crores. accepted for telecast.

(d) It is expected that after completion Advertising is a legitimate means for of the scheme, additional power generation sellers to publicise their goods and services. capacity of 507 MW would be available. Advertisement of goods as it is meant for all income groups cannot be stopped only on Rates of Advertisements on Doord­ the ground of their price. arshan

513. SHRI UTTAM RATHOD: Willthe [ Translation] Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD­ CASTING be pleased to state: Visit of Denmark Trade Delegation

(a) the present rates of advertisements 514. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRI­ of different items telecast on Doordarshan; PATH I: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (b) whether these rates are proposed to be revised; (a) whether K is a fact that a trade delegation from Denmark visited India re­ (c) if so, the details of the revised rates; cently; 135 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 136

(b) if so, whether the said delegation ing relief to the poor TB and leprotic patients; offered to set up industries in India; and and

(c) if so, the names of such industries (c) when the prices of finished medi­ and the reaction of Government thereto? cines will be reduced?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (c). A Danish IFU J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (c). The individual (Industrialisation fund for Developing Coun­ prices of most of the finished medicines tries) Team visited India in September, (non-leader packs) based on Rifampicin 1988. In their meeting with the representa­ have already been reduced and the Ceiling tives of Federation of Indian Chamber of prices are being notified shortly. Commerce and Industry (FICCI), the Danish delegation evinced interest for cooperation Setting up of Rural Telephone Ex­ between Danish and Indian partners in the changes and Long Distance Public areas of food-processing, pollution control, Telephones seed improvement, tissue technology for plants, natural gas; wind energy, solar en­ 516. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Will the ergy for refrigeration, diesel engines for Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased power plants, consultancy services etc. Any to state: 1 specific proposals will be considered by the Government under its general policy regard­ (a) the places in South India which ing foreign collaborations. would have C-Dot’s 88-Line Rural Automatic Exchanges; [English] (b) the details of such exchanges be­ Reduction In Prices of Medicines based sides strowger rural exchanges to be in­ on Rifampicin stalled in the current financial year; and

515. SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI: Will the (c) the places where Long Distance Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: Public Telephones are being installed?

(a) whether reduction in the prices of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE finished medicines based on Rifampicin MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI used by TB and leprotic patients has not GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) and (b). Infor­ been effected so far inspite of reduction in mation is given in Statement I below. the price of the bulk drug; (c) Information is given in Statement II (b) if so, the reasons for delay in provid­ below.

STATEMENT I

Allotment of C-DOT 128 Port RAXs in Andhra Pradesh Circle for 1988-G9.

SI. Name of Name of Date of commi­ No. Exchange District ssioning

1 2 ■ 3 4

M 1. Dubbak Kurnool —

2. Gowra Ram —do— — 137 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 138

3. Narain Khed

4. Kanipakam Chittoor 26.5.88

5. Aragonda 25.5.88

6. Bangarupalen 22.5.88

7. Yadmani 17.7.88

8. Aswaraopot Khammam —

9. Kallur

10. Tallada

11. Prashathinilayam Anantapur

Allotment of C-DOT 128 Port RAXs in Kerala Circle for 1988-89

SI. Name of Name of Distt/ Date of Commi- No. Exchange U/Tsrritory ssioning

1

1. Kallara Trivandrum 3.8.88

2. Karakonam 30.7.88

3. Madanvillaperumathura 8.*B.88

4. Pacha-Palode

5. Ambalathozha Kassargode

6. Kudavechoor Kottayam

7. Arangottukara Trichur

8 . Mullurkara

9. Kurichikara —do—

10. Punnala

11. Agathy Lakshadweep

12. Amini —do— 139 Written Answers NOVEMBER *5, 1968 Written Answers 14q

1 2 3 4

13. Chatlat —

14. Kalpeni —

Note: These exchanges will be commissioned as per programme shown above subject to availability of equipment and resources.

Allotment of C-DOT Pert RAXs in Karnataka Circle for 88-89

SI. Name of Name of Date of Commi­ No. Exchange District ssioning

1 2 3 4

1. V.C. Chatra Mysore

2. Begur ••

3. Terakanambedi m

4. Saligramma

5. Hullahalli

6. Suttur u

7. Kalyanur Kolar 31.3.88

8. Vodogur •• 27.3.88

9. Bethamangala 31.3.88

10. Rajupet Road 13.8.88

N.B. These exchanges will be commissioned as per programme shown above subject to avilability of equipment and resources.

Allotment of C-DOT 128 Port RAXs in Tamil Nadu Circle for 88-89

SI. Name of Nama of Date of Commi­ No. Exchange Distt./U. T. ssioning

1 2 3 4

1. Athipadu Chingleput

2. Triporur (, ii 13.7.88. \ 141 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 142

1 2 3 4

3. Navaloor M 26.8.88

4. K.K. Chataram M

5. Bom midi Dharmapuri

6. Kalugoundpalli “ 10.10.88

7. Gopinattampatty ■■

8. Karimangalam ii

9. Marandahalli ia

10. Morappur ii %

11. Bahoor Pondicherry

12. Kalapet -

13. Ambagarathur -

14. S.P. Coil Chinglapet 15.7.88x

15. Guoluvanchery - 3.8.88X

X Thesp have been commissioned in place of above allotment.

N.B. These exchanges will be commissioned as per programme shown above subject to availability of equipment resources.

STATEMENT II

LDPTS Proposed to be opened in South India during 1988-89

SI. Name of Targetted for the year 1988-89 No. the Sta re

1 2 3

1. Andhra Pradesh 20

2. Karnataka 151 \ 3. Kerala 10

4. Tamil Nadu 25

The places are selected on the basis of technical feasibility. 143 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15. 1988 Written Answers 144

Setting up ot New A.I.R. Stations In functioning; and Andhra Pradesh1 (d) the financial implications in this 517. SHRI MANIK REDDY: regard? SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ Will the Minister of INFORMATION TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): fa) Yes. Sir. (a) whether there is any proposal to set up new A.I.R. Stations in Andhra Pradesh; (b) to (d). The location of the new All (b) if so, the names of the cities where India Radio Stations with their transmitter such Stations are likely to be set up and their capacity, the expenditure proposed to be relay capacity; incurred on each project and likely dates of commissioning are given in the Statement (c) the time by which these will start below.

STATEMENT

S. No. Location Transmitter Final Impli­ Likely date capacity cation (Esti­ of completion mated cost) of project in Lakhs

i 2 3 4 S

1. Kottagudam 2 X 3 KW FM Rs. 256.90 1988-89

2. Kurnool 2 X 3 KW FM Rs. 230.63 1989-90

3. Nizam abad 2 X 3 KW FM Rs. 229.00 1989-90

4. Marcapuram 2 X 3 KW FM Rs. 182.20 1989-90

5. Anantapur 2 X 3 KW FM Rs. 248.50 1989-90

6. Tirupati 2 X 5 KW FM Rs. 232.40 1989-90

7. Warangal 2 X 5 KW FM Rs. 182.50 1988-89

Rs. 1562.13 lakhs

Female Workers in CIL (b) if so. the reasons therefor?

518. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: DEPARTMENT OF COAL IN THE MINIS­ 1 TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI C K JAFFAR (a) whetherthenumberof female work­ SHARIEF): (a) The situation has been fluc­ ers are gradually decreasing in Coal India tuating over the years. The total number of Limited; and female employees in CIL and its subsidiary 145 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 146 companies was 45,937 in 1983. It went up to and two area offices at Talchar Coalfields in 47,235 in 1986. Thereafter, there was a Dhenkanal District and at lb valley coalfields marginal decline in the strength of female in Sambalpur District. Both these area of­ employees and their strength dropped to fices are controlled by Technical Director 45,657 as on 1.4.1988. (South) of South Eastern Coalfields Limited and one officer of E-9 grade has overall (b) The women are traditionally em­ charge of these two area offices for looking ployed on unskilled/semi-skilled jobs. One after coal mining projects and allied activities prime reason for decline i.i the number of in Orissa Coalfields. Presently, there is no women' employees in the industry is the proposal to open a new office in Orissa. gradual reduction in the availability of such jobs owing to modernisation and [ Translation] mechanisation of operations both in under­ ground and opencast mines. Besides, the Compensation of Kusmunda Gebra Mines Act prohibits the employment of fe­ Coal Mines male workers in underground mines and restricts the scope of their employment on 520. DR. PRABH AT KUMAR MISHRA: surface jobs. The job opportunities for fe­ Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to males are, thus, limited. state:

Opening of CIL Office in Orissa (a) whether the compensation cases of Kusmunda Gebra Coal mines of South 519. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL: Will Eastern Coalfields Limited in Madhya the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: Pradesh are still pending despite the fact that these coal mines were taken over ten (a) the places where the Coal India Ltd. years back; has opened its offices so far; (b) whether some difficulties are being (b) whether it is proposed to open an faced in opening new mines in the area due office of the Coal India Ltd. in Orissa in 1988- to this reason; 89; and (c) whether the work in Deepika mine (c) if so, the details thereof? has also stopped due to this very reason; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF COAL IN THE MINIS­ (d) if so, the steps proposed to be taken TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI C.K. JAFFAR by Government in this regard? SHARIEF): (a) Coal India Ltd. has its re­ gional sales offices at Secundrabad, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Guwahati, Patna, New Delhi, Ahmedabad, DEPARTMENT OF COAL IN THE MINIS­ Bangalore, Bhopal, Bombay, Bhubanesh­ TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI C.K. JAFFAR war, Chandigarh, Jaipur, Lucknow, Madras, SHARIEF): (a) Over 95% of the compensa­ Calcutta and Siliguri. Besides this, there are tion payable has already been paid. The head offices of subsidiary companies, re­ balance small percentage could not be dis­ gional offices of Central Mine Planning & bursed for reasons beyond the control of the Design Institute Limited and a large number Company, such as, title disputes. of Area offices in coal producing States. (b) No, Sir. (b) and (c). In addition to regional sales office at Bhuwaneshwar, the State of Orissa (c) No, Sir. has a regional institute of CMPDIL at Bhuwaneshwar for exploration purposes (d) Does not arise. 147 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15v 1988 Written Answers 148

[English] (b) if so, whether regular electricity connections will be given for these houses to Electrification of Villages in Jaunpur, check theft of electricity and to enable DESU Uttar Pradesh to earn additional revenue?

521. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to , DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ refer to the reply given on 8th March, 1988 to TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): Unstarred Question No. 2124 regarding (a) and (b). According to the DESU, separate electrification of villages in Jaunpur, U.P. details of the power theft cases for the and state: houses built outside the periphery of the villages or elsewhere is not maintained by 1 (a) the number of villages in Jaunpur them. Following the decision dated 3.12.86 District of U.P. electrified during 1988 (till of the Delhi Administration, DESU is enter­ date); taining requests for electrification of the unauthorised colonies (including un­ (b) the number of villages still remain authorised extensions of rural/urban vil­ unelectrified and the reasons therefor; and lages) which came upto 1.1.81., subject to certification of entitlement by the Town Plan­ (c) the time by which these villages are ner, M.C.D. and completion of the usual expected to be electrified? commercial formalities. Domestic electricity connections are also sanctioned in the un­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE authorised colonies etc. so got electrified on DEPARTMENTOF POWER IN THE MINIS­ completion of commercial requirements TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): applicable from time to time by a prospective (a) 44 villages are reported to have been consumer. electrified by Uttar Pradesh State Electricity Board in Jaunpur district of Uttar Pradesh [English] during January, 1988 to September, 1988. Profits earned by ONGC (b) 476 villages still remain unelectrified as on 30.9.1988. District-wise priorities and 523. SHRI SOMNATH RATH: Will the programme for rural electrification are fixed Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL at the State level subject to availability of GAS be pleased to state: resources and other inputs. (a) the profits earned by the Oil and (c) All the remaining villages are ex­ Natural Gas Commission during the last pected to be electrified by the end of 8th Plan three years, year-wise; subject to availability of resources and other inputs. (b) whether this amount has been in­ vested anywhere; and [ Translation] 1 (c) if so, where it has been invested and Theft of Electricity In Delhi the amount invested so far?

522. SHRI BHARAT SINGH: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ (a) whether there is large scale tneft of RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) The electricity in the houses built outside the after tax profits earned by the Oil & Natural periphery of villages in Delhi due to non­ Gas Commission during the last three years, sanctioning of electricity connebtions; and year-wise, are as under:— ^ 149 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 150

Rs. Jrores (b) and (c). The profits of ONGC are - ploughed back in its operations. The surplus 1987-88 1507.53 funds, if any, are invested. Position of invest- 1986-87 1484.46 ments made by ONGC, year-wise, is given 1985-86 1302 21 below:—

(As. crores)

1987-88 1986-87 1985-86

1. Public Deposit Account 706.90 641.18 466.97

2. Loans to Public Sector Undertakings 100.00 32.67 65.33

3. Public Sector Bonds & Port Folio 763.50 ——

4. Hydrocarbons India Ltd. 49.52 28.10 25.10

Total 1619.92 701.95 557.40

Telephone facilities in Police Stations GAS be pleased to state: under Operation Siddharth In Bihar (a) whether an advertisement for allot­ 524. SHRI RAM SWAROOPRAM: Will ment of dealerships to unemployed gradu­ the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be ates by Indian Oil Corporation at a place pleased to state: located between 82 and 85 Kms. milestones on Pali-Sojat Road in Pali District of Rajast­ (a) whether it is proposed to provide han was issued in December, 1986 inviting telephone facilities in all the police stations in applications within 30 days of the publication the areas/villages under Operation of the advertisement; Siddharth in Bihar; and (b) whether the interviews were held by (b) if so, the details thereof? the Oil Selection Board (North) at Hotel Hilton, Mount Abu, Rajasthan- in August, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1988; MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) No requisition (c) the reasons for taking these inter­ has been received by the Circle for provision views after the delay of one year and eight of telecom facilities in Bihar under Operation months; and Siddhartha. (b) Does not arise. (d) whether Government propose to formulate a policy to obviate the delay and [ Translation] taking prompt decision in this regard?

Allotment of Dealerships to Unem­ THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ployed Graduates for Pall District, MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ Rajasthan RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) and (b). Yes. Sir. 525. SHRI SHANKARLAL: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL (c) and (d). Interviews for such dealer­ 151 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1968 Written Answers 152

ships are conducted by the respective Oil RAL GAS be pleased to state: Selection Boards. The tenure of the incum­ bents of these 4 Boards, including OSB ) (a) whether Government have con­ (North), having expired in June, 1986, the ducted any enquiry into the causes of fire Boards were inoperative thereafter. The that broke out in Mathura Refinery on 30 Boards were reconstituted between March August, 1988; and September, 1987. This caused accumu­ lation of work and delay in disposal of crses (b) if so, the facts that came to light in OSB (North) has since finalised the selec­ the enquiry; and tion for the retail outlet dealership between Kms. 82-85 on Pali-Sojat Road in District (c) the steps taken by Government to Pali. The Letter of Intent in favour of the ensure that such incidents do not take place selected candidate has been issued on in future? 7.10.1988. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Supply of Gas to Gas Based Industries MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ In Guna District, M.P. RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) Yes, Sir. 526. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU­ (b) and (c). A Statement is given below. RAL GAS be pleased to state: STATEMENT (a) whether it is proposed to supply gas to the small gas-based industries in An Enquiry Committee was constituted Vijaypuri, district Guna where gas is being by IOC for detailed investigations into the fire supplied to the National Fertiliser Limited incident at Mathura refinery on 30.8.1988. from the Hazira-Bijapur-Jagdishpur gas This included senior officers from IOC and a pipeline; senior officer from the Oil Industry Safety Directorate under the Ministry of Petroleum (b) if so, the details thereof; and and Natural Gas.

(c) the gas based industries which are The Enquiry Committee after investiga­ proposed to be encouraged in Guna district tions concluded that naphtha that had spilled of Madhya Pradesh? around in the loading area created a vapour cloud which was ignited by contact with a THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE heat source in a gully sucker working in that MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ area, causing a sudden explosion and fire. RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) No, Sir. The flames emerging there-from spread fast to other loaded naphtha wagons, damaging (b) Does not arise. 45 naphtha wagons.

(c) A gas based fertiliser plant has been The fire was brought under control in set up at Bijaipur. GAIL have proposed to set about 3 1/2 hours by refinery fire tenders, up an LPG Recovery Plant at Bijaipur; pro­ assisted by fire tenders from outside agen­ pane is also proposed to be extracted for the cies also. manufacture of propylene and polypro pylene. The recommendations made by the Enquiry Committee have been accepted by Fire In Mathura Refinery IOC and also circulated to all Oil Companies through Oil Industry Safety Directorate for 527. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: Will implementation to prevent recurrence of the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU­ such incidents in future. They include. 153 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 154

(i) Restricting the entry of un­ ects, improving the performance of existing % authorised vehicles into the power stations, reorganisation of existing hazardous areas like loading coal mines, reduction in transmissbn and gantry by providing chain barri­ distribution losses, implementation of de­ cades and permitting entry to mand management and energy conserva— only those vehicles with valid tion measures and harnessing- new and entry permit. renewable sources of energy such as bi­ ogas, biomass, solar energy, wind energy (H) Isolation of product loading and ocean energy. headers in gantries which are not in use. (c) and (d). Necessary safeguards for environmental protection are provided in the (iii) Intensive invigilation of !oading new schemes/projects before these are gantries to detect any spillage or sanctioned. leakage of products. Telephone Exchange at Phaphamau, (iv) Exercising extra care in decan- Allahabad tation of sick wagons. 5*9. SHRI RAM PUJAN PATEL: Will Energy Crisis the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: 528. SHRIMATI MANORAMA SINGH: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to (a) whether the telephone exchange at state: Phaphamau, Allahabad is not functioning properly; and (a) whether there is likelihood of energy crisis in the country in future; (b) if so, whether it is proposed to replace this telephone exchange with an (b) if so, the steps taken by Government electronic exchange? for production of more energy in view of its increasing demand; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (c) whether the new schemes/projects GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Telephone proposed for increasing the production of Exchange at Phaphamau is generally func­ energy are likely to have any adverse effect tioning satisfactorily. on environment; and (b) At present there is no proposal to (d) if so, the measures taken by Gov­ provide an electronic exchange at Phapha­ ernment in this regard? mau.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [English] DEPARTMENTOF POWER IN THE MINIS­ TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): Expansion of Telephone Exchanges In (a) The Government does not foresee any Idukkl and Pathanamthltta, Kerala energy crisis in the country in the near Tuture as all possible steps are being taken to 530. PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Will the increase the availability of energy. Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (b) The steps taken by the Government to increase the availability of energy include (a) whether there is any proposal to expediting the commissioning of new capac­ expand the telephone exchanges in Idukki ity, implementation of short gestation proj­ and Pathanamthitta districts of Kerala; and 155 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 156

(b ) if so, the details thereof? GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) The information is given in the MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Statement below. STATEMENT

The details of exchanges proposed to be expanded in Idukki and Pathanamthitta district subject to availability of equipment

A. During 1988-89

1. Pathanamthitta District:—

(a) Ranni 300 to 400 lines (commissioned)

(b) Pathanamthitta 700 to 800 lines

(c) Adoor 300 to 900 lines

(d) Pandalam 300 to 400 lines (commissioned)

(e) Thannithode 35 to 45 lines (commissioned)

(f) Murinjakal 45 to 90 lines

2. Idukki District:—

(a) Katiapan 200 to 300 lines

(b) Chelachuvedu 25 to 45 lines (commissioned;

B. Future expansions planned Pathnamthitta District

(a) Pathanamthitta f 800 to 1000 89-90 2 KE-10B 8th Plan

(b) Kaipattoor 500 RLU —do—

(c) Kozhencherry 1. 600 CBN to 700 MAX. II 89-90 2. 1000 lines RLU 8th plan

(d) Konni 500 RLU 8th plan

(e) Tiruvalla 3K ICP — 8th Plati 3-4K —do—

(f) Kumbanad P00 to 600 MAX-II 89-90

Idukki:

(a) Thodupuzha 1.900 to 1200 lines MAX-II 89-90 2. 2K ICP 8th Plan 157 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 150

(b) Vandipeiyar 90 MAX. Ill to 200 MAX. II 89-90

(c) Kumily 90 MAX.-III to 512 ILT —do—

W) Nedungadam

(e) Arakulam

Pending Applications for Telephone (c) the time by which the pending appli­ Connections In various districts of cations are likely to be cleared? Kerala

531. SHRI K. MOHANDAS: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PROF. P.J. KURIEN: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The Informa­ Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ tion is given in Statement I below. TIONS be pleased to state: (b) The information is given in State­ (a) the total number of applications for ment II below. telephone connections pending in each dis­ trict of Kerala; (c) Pending applications are likely to be (b) the exchange-wise pending appli­ cleared progressively during the remaining cations in Pathanamthitta District; and period of the 7th Plan and 8th plan.

STATEMENT I

SI. No. Name of District Waiting list as on 31.3.1988

1 2 3

1. Alleppey 4206

2. Calicut 9761

3. Cannanore 8214

4. Ernakulam 16555

5. Idukki 2751

6. Kasaragod 4366

7. Kottayam 9973

8. Malappuram 5898

9. Palghat 3847

10. Pathanamthitha 4695 159 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers ^60

1 , ^ 3

11- Quilon 5662

12. Trichur 10266

13. Trivandrum 9707

14. Wynad 1311

STATEMENT II

Waiting iist in Exchanges in Pathanamthitha District

SI. Name of Waiting list as on 31.3.1988 No. Exchange

1 2 3

1. Adoor 385

3. Ayiroor 63

4. Chittar 7

5. Chungappara 18

6. Edamon-Ranni 37

7. Elanthur 90

8. Elavanthitta 53

9. Eraviperoor 108

10. Ezhamkulam 96

11. Ezhumattor 17

12. Kadambanadu 93

13. Kaipattor 154

14. Kallioppara 16

15. Kidanganoor 14

16. Kodumon 13

17. Konni 142 161 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 162

1 2 v 3

18. Kozhencherry 123

19. Kumbanad 279

20. Kunnanthanam 92

21. Kuriyannur 77

22. Malayalapuzha 27

23. Mallapally 166

24. Murinjakal 55

25. Pampa 0

26. Pandalam 221

27. Pathanamthitta 466

28. Punnaveli 12

29. Puramattom 94

30. Ranni 290

31. Ranni-Perinad 61

32. Sabarimala 0

33. Thannithode 9

34. Theodical 53

35. Thiruvlla 1092

36. Vadasserikkara 110

37. Vaipur 5

38. Varayannur 44

39. Vayalathala 52

40. Vachoochira 31 163 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 164

Mode rnisation of Telephone Exchanges Kulakkada, Nedumpana,. Kanyakulan- In Kerala gara, Parassala, and Vellarada.

532. SHRI K. KUNJAMBU: Will the Venjarmadoo. Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased Pachapalode, Kudavechoor, Punnala, to state: Mullurkara, Arangottukara, Kuric- hikara, Amba-lathara and Sabarimala. (a) whether any plan has been drawn up for the modernisation of telephone ex­ Twelfth International Film Festival of changes in Kerala; and India

(b) if so, the details thereof together 533. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. with the time-frame, if any? BHOSALE: Will the Minister of INFORMA­ TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether the twelfth International Film Festival of India is being organised at (b) As a part of modernisation of tele­ New Delhi in January, 1989; phone exchanges in the State of Kerala, Electronic Exchanges have already been (b) if so, what will be the focus theme of installed at the following places; this festival;

Changanacherry, Vaikom, Mannar, (c) the criteria adopted for deciding the Kalpetta, Trikkakara Udayamperoor, focus theme for each such festivals; Thalayar, Karakonam, Madanvila Peruthura, Kallara and Digital Tax at (d) whether certain Indian retrospec­ Ernakulam. tives have been selected for the festival;

During the remaining period of NSev- (e) if so, the details thereof with criteria enth Plan" Electronic exchanges will be in­ for such selection; and stalled at the following places:— (f) the details of special features of this Kottayam, Ernakulam, Trivandrum, festival? Cannanore, Balipattam, Changanch- erry, Chengannur, Mavelikara, THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ Kanjikuzhi, Gandhinagar, Kun- TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ namkulam, Guruvayur, Chowghat, FORMATION & BROADCASTING (SHRI Quilon, Trichur (including RLU at Ollur, H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. The Cherpu and Alagappanagar) Pathan- International Film Festival of India (IFFI) is a amthitha Kozhencherry, Konni, Kaipat- multi-focus festival. However, for the 12th toor, Palghat Badagara, Punalur, Kan- IFFI, Chinese cinema has been selected for hangad, Perumbavoor, Payyannur, particular attention, the reason being its fast Kandasankadavu, Kothamanglam, emergence on the international scene. Cranganore, Udayaperoor, Kondotty, Kavarathy, Kumily, Miniooy, Kallam- (d) and (e). Yes, Sir. An Indian Re- balam, Madavoor-Pallikal, Nedumgan- torspective of Rajkapoor's films has been dam, Chalakara Arakunam, Irrikkur, selected as a tribute to the late eminent filrr Mammood, Paivalika, and Amba- maker. lapuzha. Feroke, Annamanada-Mat- ton, Pariyaram, Pazhayannur, Pe­ (f) The 12th International Film Festival ru m pi lavu, Thevalakara, Valakam, of India will be non-competitive and wiH not 165 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 166 include short films. It will have the following pleased to state: sections: (i) “Cinema of the world” consisting (a) the capacities of all the telephone of critically acclaimed and award exchanges in Baroda Telephone District, winning films from other coun­ Gujarat and the waiting list for telephone tries. connection in Vadodra as on 30 June, 1988 exchange-wise; (ii) “Foreign Retrospective" consist­ ing of films of Vera Chytilova (b) the number of telephones operating (Czech) and John Schesinger in Baroda and the programme for allotment (U.K.) of new telephone connections by 31 March, (iii) Films of one of the "Early Mas­ 1989; exchange-wise; and ters" of Cinema. (iv) Focus of China (c) the details of expansion programme (v) Black American Films Section. in hand in Vadodra, the amount allotted and time by which the expansion programme is (vi) Indian Film Selection consisting likely to be completed, exchange-wise? of “Indian Panorama”, a retro­ spective of Raj Kapoor's films and Mainstream films. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Expansion of Telephone Exchange In GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The capacity, Vadodara waiting list of all telephone exchanges of Baroda (Vadodara) Telephone District of 534. SHRI RANJITSINGH GAEKWAD:Gujarat as on 30.6.88 is given below:— Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be

Name of Exchange Capacity (Lines) Waiting List (Nos.)

1 2 3

City Exchange 12,000 8,644

Alkapuri 10,000 3,601

Kothi 4,000 Nil

Makarpura 1,800 1,239

Fatehganj 1,500 1,670

Koyali 1,440 324

(b) As on 30.6.88, 26872 number of tivefy. telephones are operating in Vadodara. 3600 telephone connections are targetted to be (c) The expansion of Fatehganj ex­ provided by March, 1989, out of which 1000 change by 1200 lines (1500-2700) is in prog­ numbers have been provided upto 30.6.88. ress and it is expected to be completed by During the period 1.7.88 to 31.3.89 about March, 1989. Funds allotted to Baroda Tele­ 1500 and 1100 telephone connections are phone District under working expenses are only proposed to be oiven from Alkapuri and Rs. 5.71 crores and under capital Rs. 4.22 F^+ohqanj telephone exchanges respec- crores. x 167 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 168

Outside Labour In Krishna-Godavari THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Basin J. VENGAL RAO): (a) No Sir.

535. SHRI SRI HARI RAO: Will the (b) to (d). Do not arise. Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: Conversion of Automatic Telephone Exchanges Into Electronic In Orissa (a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas Commission is engaging labour from out­ 537. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will side the state in Krishna Godavari basin; and the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (b) if so, the reasons thereof? (a) whether it is a fact that most of the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE exchanges in Orissa Telecommunication MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ Circle are not electronic telephone ex­ RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) and changes; (b). Oil and Natural Gas Commission does not engage labourers directly as such. It (b) if so, the number of automatic and awards contracts as necessary for carrying electronic telephone exchanges in Orissa out its operations. Two such contracts have State and the places where they have been been awarded for seismic operations in the installed; Krishna Godavan basin. (c) whether most of the Automatic Tele­ Imposition of Cess to Finance Export phone Exchanges are not working properly Losses and if so, the details thereof; and

536. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: (d) the steps being taken to convert Will the Minister of INDU STR Y be pleased to them into electronic telephone exchanges? state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether Government are aware that MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI the Polyester fibre industry is planning to set GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. up a fund through the imposition of a cess at Rs. 2 per kg of polyester staple fibre (PSF) (b) As on 31.3.88 there were 327 auto­ produced, to finance export losses; matic exchanges in Orissa out of which 6 were electronic. A list giving Districtwise (b) if so, whether Government have details of exchanges is given in the State­ approved this production cess to fund poly­ ment below. During 1988-89, so far two ester staple fibre exports; electronic exchanges (NEAX-61 S) have been opened at Koraput and Phulbani. The (c) whether any portion of this will be other places where electronic exchanges passed on to the consumer; and exist are Baripada, Chhatarpur, Dhenkanal, Keonjhar, Sundergarh and Jankia. (d) the authority by which this fund is to be administered? (c) and (d). No, Sir. 169 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 170

STATEMENT

Districtwise List of Telephone Exchanges in Orissa as on 31.3.88

DISTRICT: BALASORE

SI. Tehsil Exchange Name Exchange Type No.

1 2 3 4

1. Bala Balasore SS2

2. Bast Baliapal SS3

3. Bast Basta SS3

4. Basu Basudevpur SS3

5. Dhad Bhadrak SS2

6. Bhad Bhandaripokhari SS3

7. Chan Chandaballi SS3

8. Bala Chandipur SS3

9. Jale Dehurda SS3

10. Dham Dhamanagar SS3

11. Bhad Dhusuri SS3

12. Jale Jaleswar SS3

13. Soro Khaira SS3

14. Nilg Mitrapur SS3 (Balgopalpur)

15. Nilg Rajnilgiri SS3

16. Bast Rupsa SS3

17. Bhad Simulia SS3

18. Soro Soro SS3

19. Tihi Tihidi SS3

DISTRICT: BOLANGIR

1. Kant Bangamunda SS3 171 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 172 ■ - " ''' *

1 2 ' : 3 4

2. Titi Belgaon SS3

3. Patn Belpora SS3

4. Sone Binka SS3

5. Birm Birmaharajpur SS3

6. Bola Bolangir SS2

7. Bola Chandanvati SS3

8. Bola Chudapalli SS3

9. Sone Dungripalli SS3

10. Patn Harisankar Rd. SS3

11. Kant Kantabanji CBN

12. Lois Loisinga SS3

13. Titi Muribahal SS3

14. Patn Patnagarh SS3

15. Titi Saintola SS3

16. Titi Saintola SS3 (Ordnance Fact.)

17. Titi Sindheikela SS3

18. Sone Sonepur SS3

19. Sone S. Rampur SS3

20. Sone Tarva SS3

21. Kant Tikarapara SS3

22. Titi Titilagarh CBN

23. Kant Tureikela SS3

24. Bola Tusra SS3

DISTRICT: CUTTACK ' 1. Athg Athgarh CBN 173 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 174

1 2 3 4

2. Aul Aul SS3

3. Sale Bahugram SS3

4. Bali Balikuda SS3

5. Bank Banki SS3

6. Bara Baramba SS3

7. Cutt Daranga SS3

8. Bari Bari-Cuttack SS3

9. Suki Barundei SS3

10. Jajp Baulang SS3

11. Jajp Binjharpur SS3

12. Jaga Biridi SS3

13. Suki Brahmanipal SS3

14. Darp Chhatia SS3

15. Cutt Choudwar SS2

16. Cutt Cuttack Unit-I XBP

17. Cutt Cuttack Unit-ll XBP

18. Kend Danpur SS3

19. Darp Dhanmondal CBN

20. Athg Gurudijhatia SS3

21. Cutt Jagatpur SS2

22. Jaga Jagatsinghpur CBN

23. Suki Jajpur Road CBN

24. Jajp Jajpur Town ' C B N

25. Darp Jaraka SS3 175 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 173

1 2 3 4

26. Darp Kabatbandha SS3

27. Cutt Kaduapada SS3

28. Bank Kalapathar SS3

29. Suki Kaliapani SS3

30. Cutt Kandarpu. SS3

31. Kend Katikata SS3

32. Kend Kendrapara CBN

33. Kend Kendupatna CBN

34. Athg Khutuni SS3

35. Darp Kuakhia SS3

36. Kuja Kujanga SS3

37. Darp Kundal SS3

38. Sale Kusupur SS3

39. Kend Korua SS3

40. Kend Mahakalpada SS3

41. Mars Marshaghai SS3

42. Nars Narshingapur SS3

43. Nial Niali SS3

44. Jaga Nuagaon Hat SS3

45. Nial Olatapur SS3

46. Suki Panikoili SS3

47. Kuja Paradeep SS2

48. Mars Patkura SS3

49. Pata Patamundai SS3

50. Cult 'tlkilcliti SS3 17 7 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 178

1 2 3 4

51. Jaga Raghunathpur SS3

52. Raja Rajakanika SS3

53. Sale Salepur SS3

54. Suki Singhpur SS3

55. Suki Sukinda SS3

56. Sung Sungra SS3

57. Tang Tangi SS3

58. Bank Taladasta SS3

59. Tigi Tigiria SS3

60. Tirl Tirtol SS3

61. Tira Tiran SS3

62. Bank Tulsipur SS3

DISTRICT: DHENKANAL

1. Angu Angul SS2

2. Athm Athmallik SS3

3. Angu Banarpal SS3

4. Dhen Baulpur SS3

5. Bhub Bhuban SS3

6. Athm Boinda SS3

7. Chen Chendipada SS3

8. Angu Cpp Angul SS3

9. Dhen Dhenkanal ENX

10. Dhen Gandia SS3

11. Dhen Hindol SS3

12. Dhen Hindol Road SS3 179 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 180

1 2 3 4

13. Dhen Joranda SS3

14. Kama Kamakshyanagar SS3 U

15. Kama Kaniha SS3 R

16. Dhen Khajuriakata SS3 R

17. Angu Meramundali SS3 R

18. Angu Nalco nagar SS3 R

19. Angu Nalco Smelter SS3 R

20. Talc Pallahara SS3 R

21. Kama Parjang SS3 R

22. Talc Talcher CBN U

23. Talc Vikrampur CBN R

DISTRICT: GANJAM

1. Aska Aska CBN U

2. Aska Badagoda SS3 R

3. Bugu Balipadar SS3 R

4. Bhan Belguntha SS3 U

5. Berh Berhampur SS1 U

6. Bhan Bhanjanagar CBN U

7. Diga Bismagiri SS3 R

8. Bugu Buguda SS3 U

9. R. UD Chandragiri SS3 R

10. Chat Chatrapur ENX U *

11 Chik Chikiti SS3 U

: ° Aska Dharakote SS3 R

13. Dig? Digapahandi SS3 U 181 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 182

1 2 3 4

14. Bhan Gallery SS3 R

15. Chat Ganjam SS3 U

16 Berh Gopalpur SS3 U

17. Para Gosani-Garbandh SS3 R

18. Aska Hinjilikut SS3 R

19. Bhan Jagannath-Prasad SS3 R

20. Aska Kabisurya-Nagar SS3 U

21. Para Kasinagar SS3 U

22. Khal Khalikote SS3 U

23. Bhan Khetri-Berhampur SS3 R

24. Kodl Kodla SS3 U

25. Bhan Kulad SS3 R

26. Berh Kukudakhandi SS3 R

27. R. UD Mohana SS3 R

28. Chat Narendrapur SS3 R

29. Chik Nuapada SS3 R

30. Kani Padampur SS3 R

31. Chik Patrapur SS3 R

32. Kodi Polsara SS3 U

33. Para Paralakhe-Mundi CBN U

34. Diga Patapur SS3 R

35. Puru Purusottampur SS3 U

36. Diga Pudamani SS3 R

37. Khal Rambha SS3 U

38. Berh R. Sumandi SS3 R 18 3 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 184

1 2 3 4

39. R. UD R. Udayagiri SS3

40. Sere Seregada SS3

41. Koda Sumandal SS3

42. Sura Surada SS3

DISTRICT: KALAHANDI

1. Dhaw Behera SS3

2. Bhaw Bhawanipatna SS2

3. Dhar Dharamgarh SS3

4. Jaip Jaipatna SS3

5. Dhar Junagarh SS3

6. Bhaw Kesinga CBN

7. Nuap Khariar Road CBN

8. Jaip Ladugaon SS3

9. Lanj M. Rampur SS3

10. Lanj Narla Road SS3

11. Nuap N. Tanwat SS3

12. Rajk Rajkhariar SS3

13. Lanj Rupra Road SS3

14. Kant Sinapalli SS3

15. Bhaw Utkela SS3

DISTRICT: KEONJHAR

1. Anan Anandapur CBN

2. Barb Barbil CBN

3. Anan Baula SS3

4. Barb Bileipada SS3 1S5 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 186

1 2 3 4

5. Barb Balani SS3

6. Cham Champua SS3

7. Keon Dhenkikote SS3

8. Ghat Ghatgaon SS3

9. Gat Harichandanpur SS3

10. Anan Hatadihi SS3

11. Barb Jajanga SS3

12. Barb Joda CBN

13. Keon Keonjhar ENX

14. Anan Kesadurpal SS3

15. Keon Palaspanga SS3

16. Anan Ramachandrapur SS3

17. Keon Remuli SS3

18. Keon Suakati SS3

19. Keon Suampatna SS3

20. Telk Telkoi SS3

21. Keon Turumunga SS3

DISTRICT: KORAPUT

1. B. CU Ambadola SS3

2. Malk Balimela SS3

3. Jeyp Baipariguda SS3

4. B. CU Bissam Cuttack SS3

5. Burr Borriguma SS3

6. Malk Chitrakonda SS3

7. Dabu Dabugaon SS3 187 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Ans wers 188

1 2 3 4

8 . Pott Damanjodi Plant SS3

9. Pott Damanjodi Town SS3

10. Pott Damanjodi H. Top SS3

11. Gunu Gunupur SS3

12. Jeyp Jeypore CBN

13. Raya Kalyanisinghpur SS3

14. Kora Koraput CBN

15. Kasi Kasipur SS3

16. Kotp Kotpad SS3

17. Raya Laxmipur SS3

18. Malk Malkangiri SS3

19. Raya Muniguda SS3

20. Nowr Nowrancrur CBN

21. Nowr Papadahandi SS3

22. Cunu Padampur SS3

23. Pott pottangi SS3

24. Raya Rayagada CBN

25. Pott Sunabeda SS2

26. Raya Therubali SS3

27. Umer Umerkote SS3

DISTRICT : MAYURBHANJ

1. Rair Badampahar SS3

2. Beta Badasahi SS3

3. Beta Baishing> SS3

4. Baha Bahalda SS3 189 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 190

1 2 3 4

5. Bari Bangriposhi SS3

6. Bari Baxipada ENX

7. Beta Betanati SS3

8. Rair Bisoi SS3

9. Rasg Chitrada SS3

10. Bari Jharpokharia SS3

11. Kara Joshipur SS3

12. Bari Khunta SS3

13. Kara Karanja CBN

14. Bari Pathuri SS3

15. Rair Rairangpur CBN

16. Rasg Rasgovindapur SS3

17. Kara Sukruli SS3

18. Bari Suliapada SS3

19. Udla Udla SS3

DISTRICT: PHULBANI

1. Bali Baliguda SS3

2. Boud Boudh CBN

3. G. UD Gudayagiri SS3

4. Phul Khajuripada SS3

5. Phul Phirinjia SS3

6. Phul Phulbani CBN

7. Boud Purna Cuttack SS3

8. G. UD Raikia SS3

9. G. UD Tikabali SS3 191 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 192

1 2 3 4

DISTRICT: PURI

1. Bhub Balikati SS3

2. Bhub Balianta SS3

3. Banp Balugaon CBN

4. Bhub Banamalipur SS3

5. Khur Begunia SS3

6. Khan Bhapur SS3

7. Bhub Bhubaneswar XBP

8. Banp Bhusandpur SS3

9. Khur Bolagarh SS3

10. Nima Bolanga SS3

11. Ghub Balipatna SS3

12. Puri Brahmagiri SS3

13. Bhub Chandaka SS3

14. Puri Chandanpur SS3

15. Dasp Daspalia SS3

16. Pipl Delanga SS3

17. Puri Gabakunda SS3

18. Banp Gambharimunda SS3

19. Dasp Gania SS3

20. Khur Jankia E 10

21. Bhub Jatani CBN

22. Pipl Kanas SS3

23. Khan Kantilo SS3

24. Khan Khandapara SS3 193 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 104

1 2 3 4

25. Khur Khurda CBN

26. Nima Konark SS3

27. Bhub Mancheswar SS2

28. Banp Nachuni SS3

29. Naya Nayagarh CBN

30. Kaka Nayahat SS3

31. Nima Nimapara SS3

32. Khur Nirakarpur SS3

33. Naya Jurgaon SS3

34. Naya Odagaon SS3

35. Pipl Pipli SS3

36. Puri Puri SS2

37. Ranp Rajranpur SS3

38. Ranp Rajsunakhala SS3

39. Puri Sakhigopal SS3

40. Naya Sarankul SS3

41. Puri Satsankh SS3

42. Bhud Tamando SS3

43. Tang Tangi SS3

DISTRICT: SAMBALPUR

1. Atta Attabira SS3

2. Kuch Damra SS3

3. Barg Bargarh SS2

4. Barp Barpalli CBN

5. Jhar Bagdhi SS3 195 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15. 1988 Written Answers 196

1 2 3 4

6. Lakh Belpahar SS3

7. Barg Bhatli SS3

8. Barg Bheden SS3

9. Barg Bhukta SS3

10. Sohe Bijepur SS3

11. Jhar Brajarjnagar SS3

12. Samb Burla CBM

13. Samb Chichinda SS3

14. Deog Deogarh SS3

15. Pada Gaisilate SS3

16. Pada Ghess SS3

17. Atta Godabhaga SS3

18. Samb Hirakud CBN

19. Kuch Jaminkira SS3

20. Pada Jharbandha SS3

21. Jhar Jharsuguda SS2

22. Atta Kadabahal SS3

23. Barg Kantapalli SS3

24. Kuch Kuchinda SS3

25. Atta Lastoala SS3

26. Pada Melchhamunda SS3

27. Pada Padampur CBN

28. Reng Padiabahal SS3

29. Pada Paikamal SS3

30. Rair Rairkhol SS3 197 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 198

1 2 3 4

31. Barg Rengali SS3

32. Barg Remenda SS3

33. Samb Sambalpur XBI

34. Samb Satapalli SS3

35. Sial Khaneeita SS3

36. Sohe Sohela SS3

DISTRICT: SUNDARGARH

1. Bana Banaigarh SS3

2. Barg Bargaon SS3

3. Bana Barsuan SS3

4. Brm Birmitrapur SS3

5. Rour Bisra SS3

6. Rajg Gumardihi SS3

7. Hemg Gopalpur SS3

8. Hemg Hemgiri 5S3

9. Bana Kalta SS3

10. Kans Kalunga SS3

11. Kans Kansuahal SS3

12. Koira Koira SS3

13. Kuar Kuarnmunda SS3

14. Sund Kundukela SS3

15. Rajg Kutra SS3

16. Lahu Lahunipada CBN

17. Lefr Lefripada SS3

18. Sund Purnapani SS3 199 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 200

1 2 3 4

19. Rajg Rajganagpur CBN

20. Raur Rourkela Plant SS1 I

21. Rour Rourkela T. Ship SS1 I

22. Lefra Sargipalli SS3 F

23. Sund Sundargar-H ENX L

24. Sund Subdega SS3 R

25. Tens Tensa SS3 R

Note: Under column 3 (exchange type), the following abbreviations have been used.

551 Strowger Main Automatic Exchange-I

552 Strowger Main Automatic Exchange-ll

553 Strowger Main Automatic Exchange-Ill.

ENX NEAX-61 S Electronics Exchange

E-10 10 line Electronics Exchange

XB Cross bar exchange

CBNM/ CBN Manual Exchanges

Improvement in Telecommunication pansion/modernisation of telecommunica­ Services in Orissa tion services in the Circle; and

538. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will (d) if so, the details thereof and the the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be action taken by Government for implemen­ pleased to state: tation of each of the proposals/schemes and plans and plans? (a) whether the Orissa Telecommuni­ cation Circle is lagging behind in telecom­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE munication network in comparison of all MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI India average; GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The objective for providing telephone connections for (b) if so, the programme undertaken or Orissa is the same as the rest of the country. proposed to be undertaken to bring the However, the telephone per 1000 population Circle at par with the All India average; for Orissa is less than the national average.

(c) whether the G.M.T. Orissa Circle (b) to (d). Based on the‘objectives, plans had submitted several proposals/schemes/ have been drawn for improvement, e x p a n ­ plans to Government for improvement, ex­ sion and modernisation of telecom, services 201 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 202

In Orissa taking into consideration the pro­ areas. posal received from G.M. Telecom., Ori9sa. These are in various stages of implementa­ Functioning of Low Power T.V. Centres tion. During 1988-90, it is proposed to: at Balasore and Baripada, Orissa

1) Open 4000 line E-10B electronic 539. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will exchange at Bhubaneshwar. the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: 2) replace 200 line electromechanical telex exchange at Bhubaneshwar (a) whether Low Power T.V. Transmit­ by 500 lines electronic telex. ters of 100 Watt, have the capability of cov­ ering 25 aeronautical miles; 3) Open national telex exchanges at Angul, Dhenkanal and Koraput. (b) if so, how many such L.P.T. Centres are now functioning in various States and 4) replace manual exchanges by how many of them are covering 25 aeronau­ automatic at Kendrapara, Barbil, tical miles; Jeypore (Koraput), Khurda, Burla, Hirakud, Bhanjnagar, Jajpur Road, (c) whether 100 Watt. L.P.T. Centres at Rayagada, Joda, Talchar, Balasore and Baripada in Orissa are not Nowrangpur, Koraput (commis­ covering even 5 aeronautical miles; sioned) and Phulbani (Commis­ sioned). (d) if so, whether Government have received any complaint in this respect; and 5) replace 39 Small Automatic Ex­ changes (SAX) by C-DOT elec­ (e) if so, the reasons thereof and the tronic exchanges and 20 SAXs by action being taken to remove the deficien­ ILT 64 port electronic exchanges. cies?

6) Expand digital TAX at Cuttack by THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ 1000 lines. TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ FORMATION AND BROADCASTING 7) Commission satellite Earth Station (SHRI H.K.L BHAGAT): (a) and (b). at Bhawanipatna. Whereas a Low Power (100 Watt.) TV trans­ mitters operating in VHF Band provides 8) introduce STD facility at the re­ service within a range of about 25 KMs., maining District Headquarters of those operating in UHF Band provide serv­ Orissa. ice within a range of about 15-20 KMs., subject to local terrain conditions. However, During Eighth Five Year Plan, it is pro­ the signals are weak towards the outer pe­ posed to: riphery of the service area and satisfactory reception to some extent is possible only 1) replace all manual exchanges by with the use of elevated receiving antennae, automatic exchanges. boosters, ate.

2) provide STD facility in all Subs There are at present 195 low power Divisional Headquarters and ex­ (100 W) TV transmitters (182 in VHF Band changes of capacity 500 lines or and 13 in UHF Band) functioning in more. Doordarshan’s network in the country.

3) provide telephones on demand in (c) to (e). The Low Power (100 W) TV rural, backward, hilly and tribal transmitter at Baripada operated on reduced 203 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 204 p ower for some time due to failure of a sub­ buoyant and in several areas, the sellers’ unit of the transmitter and provided limited market has been turned into buyers' market. coverage. The defective unit of the transmit­ Competitive pressure is also forcing our ter has since been repaired and the transmit­ industry to pay greater attention to upgrada- ter is functioning satisfactorily within its nor­ tion of technology, cost reduction and quality mal coverage area. The Low Power (100 W) improvement. TVTransmitter at Balasore recently installed has commenced test transmission and is Trans-Aslan Gas Net Work reported to be providing satisfactory service within its coverage area. 541. DR. B.L SHAILESH: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL Impact of licensing liberalisation GAS be pleased to state:

540. DR. B.L. SHAILESH: Will the (a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: Commission has mooted a trans-Asian gas network, in view of the existence of ‘gas belt’ (a) whether any assessment of the from Malaysia and Indonesia right upto Syria impact of liberalisation made in the case of through Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Af­ non-M.R.T.P. and FERA Companies has ghanistan, Iran and Iraq; been made; (b) if so, whether Government are (b) if so, the outcome thereof; and working on it and have mooted it to the Asian countries concerned; and (c) if not, the reasons therefor and whether Government propose to look into (c) if not, the reaction of Government to this aspect before granting further licensing the setting up of such a gas-grid? liberalisation for large houses and FERA Companies? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) to (c). J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (£)"The delicensing No proposal is under Government’s consid­ of investments upto Rs. 50 crores in Cen­ eration for a trans-Asian gas pipeline net­ trally declared backward areas and upto Rs. work. 15 crores in non backward areas, subject to certain conditions, for non MRTP/FERA Joint Venture Petrochemical Projects In companies was notified as recently as on 30 West Asia June 1988. It is too early to assess its impact on industrial investment and production. 542. DR. B.L SHAILESH: Will the However, there is clear indication that the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: liberalisation measures initiated since 1985 (a) whether Government are working such as delicensing of specific industries, re­ on the possibility of setting up petrochemical endorsement of licensed capacities on the projects in West Asia; basis of capacity utilisation and modernisa­ tion, broad-banding. Minimum Economic (b) if so, the areas identified for joint Scales of capacity, simplification of adminis­ ventures by India; trative procedures and the like have led both to the acceleration of industrial growth and (c) the investment likely to be made by improvement of the efficiency and competi­ India in these countries by way of equity, tiveness of our industry. The annual rate of plant and machinery and technical know- , growth of industrial growth.has consistently hew and in other related spheres; and been over 8% per annum over the last four years. The investment climate has been (d) the end products likelv to be manu­ 205 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 206 factured? (c) the areas likely to be covered by this tower; and THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (d). Possibilities of (d) whether there is any proposal to setting up joint venture petrochemical proj­ construct such towers in other parts of the ects with some West Asian countries are country and particularly in the each State being evaluated from the view points of capital? techno-economic and other relevant consid­ erations. The question of working out other THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ details will arise only after the evaluation on TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ hand is completed. FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) Yes, Sir. The TV Deaths In Bhopal Gas Tragedy transmitting centre at Pitampura, Delhi, comprising a 2 X 10 KW TV transmitter for 543. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: Will Primary Channel service and a 10KW TV the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to transmitter for Second Channel service, with state: their antennae mounted on a 235 M high RCC-cum-steel towers has been commis­ (a) the total number of persons died so sioned into service with effect from 7th far in the industrial disaster in the Union November, 1988. Carbide factory at Bhopal; and (b) Does not arise. (b) the number of such persons who are still lying in various hospitals for treatment? (c) The Primary Channel and the Sec­ ond Channel TV transmitters are expected THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI to provide service within a radius of about 90 J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). The Govern­ KMs and 85 KMs respectively. Use of ment of Madhya Pradesh has reported that elevated receiving antennae, boosters etc., as on 30.9.1988 the total number of con­ would, however, facilitate reception up to firmed deaths was 3289. The Government of about 140 KMs. and 125 KMs. respectively. Madhya Pradesh also informed in the report for the month of September, 1988 that the (d) At present, there are 51 high power average monthly out-door and in-door pa­ TV transmitters in the country with associ­ tients treated in the special medical institu­ ated steel or RCC Towers of varying heights tions created for the gas victims were in ranging from 100 M to 300 M depending excess of 1,00,000 persons and about 1,000 upon local requirements and other technical persons respectively. factors. More such transmitters are under implementation and the number is envis­ T.V. Tower in Pitampura, Delhi aged to increase to 83 on completion of VII Plan schemes. 544. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: SHRI C.K. KUPPUSWAMY: Installation of Public Call Offices In Himachal Pradesh Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: 545. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- ASHAR: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ (a) whetherthe India’s highest concrete TIONS be pleased to state: TV tower in Pitampura, Delhi has been completed and started functioning; (a) whether Public Call Offices sanc­ tioned for Hathol (parented to Telephone (b) if not, when it will be ready and put Exchange Dhaneta), Sanghnei, Marwari, into operation; Takarla and Piplu (Distt. Una), Mahal (Distt, 207 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 208

Hamirpur), and Salwar (Tehsil Ghumarwin, MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Dlstt. Bilaspur) in Himachal Pradesh more GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. Public than three years ago have been targetted for Call Offices at Hathol, Sanghnei, Marwari, Installation during 1988; Mahal, Salwar and Takarla are targetted for installation during 1988-89. Sanction of (b) if so, the names of such Public Call PCO at Piplu has been withdrawn as there Offices for which the installation work has was no post office at that time. been taken in hand; and (b) No installation work has been taken (c) the likely date by which each of in hand so far. these PCOs would be installed during 1988? (c) The likely dates of installation of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Public Call Offices are given below:

1. Hat hoi 3.12.1988

2. Sanghnei 12.9.88 (Installed)

3. Marwari 3.12.88

4. Takarla 31.12.8Ei

5. Mahal 31.3.89

6. Salwar 31.3.89

Installation of T.V. Transmitters/Radio (d) the details of each such project and Statlons/Fleld Publicity Units In Spsclal the acquisition of land forthe purpose includ­ Category States ing the price of land paid in each case; and

546. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- (e) what is the policy in respect of ASHAR: Will the Minister of INFORMATION purchase and acquisition of land for such AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: projects in other States in the Seventh Plan?

(a) whether Government have ac­ THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ corded any priority for the installation of TV TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ Transmitters, Radio Stations and field pub­ FORMATION AND BROADCASTING licity units in special category States in the (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) Yes. Sir. During second half of the Seventh Plan period; the 7th Plan period, due priority has been ~:ven in respect of Special Category States (b) if so, the details thereof and the viz. Arunachal Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh. places in each of such States where the Jammu & Kashmir, Manipur, Meghalaya, projects have been sanctioned and the Mizoram, Nagaland, Sikkim and Tripura. places where the installation of these proj­ ects has been completed; (b) Doordarshan

Statement I is given below. (c) whether the States have been asked to provide land at their own cost or at normal All India Radio price for the installation of these projects or Union Government have paid the actual Statement II is given below. These projects price of land for the purpose; are at various stages of implementation. 209 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 210

Field Publicity Table of the House. Areas varying between 0.75 acres and 5 acres are generally ac­ Out of 14 units proposed to be opened quired for various types of transmitters and during the current financial year 1988-89, studio projects. Preference given to acquisi­ seven units will be located as under: tion of Government land. Cost paid in case of some of the projects is given in Statement III H.P. Chamba below. Cost details in case of a number of projects for which land has been taken over, A.P. Khamman have not yet been intimated by the con­ cerned State Government. Sikkim Nangan All India Radio Meghalaya William Nagar Details of expenditure sanctioned for acqui­ Manipur Bishnupur sition of sites are indicated in Statement IV given below. Nagaland Wikha and Phak Field Publicity The implementation of this scheme depends on the availability of funds. Does not arise.

(c) Doordarshan (e) Doordarshan

States/UTs were requested to provide land All State/UTs, including the Special Cate­ for TV projects free of cost, as far as pos­ gory States, have been requested to provide sible. However, they have charged different land for TV projects free of cost, as far as rates at different places. Land at some possible. Preference is given to acquisition places has been provided free of cost. of Government land, subject to technical suitability. In case of low power and very low All India Radio power transmitter projects, ready built build­ ings are taken on rental basis, if found suit­ State Governments were requested to allot able. suitable Government lands either free of cost or at nominal rate. All India Radio

Field Publicity The State Governments are requested to allot suitable Government land either free of The States will be approached for providing cost or at nominal rate. In such cases where land free of cost or at normal price for con­ Government land is not available, the State struction of office and residential accommo­ Governments are requested to acquire suit­ dation in some of the States like Mizoram, able private lands through Land Acquisition Tripura, Meghalaya, Assam etc. proceedings.

(d) Doordarshan Field Publicity

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STATEMENT-II

7TH PLAN PROJECTS IN SPECIAL CATEGORY STATES

1. ARUNACHAL PRADESH

A. New Radio Stations:-

Ziro 2 x 3 KW FM (Local)

B. Additional Facilities at Existing Stations:-

Passighat i) Provision of permanent multi­ purpose studios.

ii) Upgradation of existing low power MW Tr. by 10 KW MW.

Tezu i) Provision of permanent M.P. Studios.

ii) Upgradation of existing L.P. MW Transmitter to 10 KW MW.

Tawang i) Upgradation of existing L.P. MW Transmitter to 10 KW MW.

Itanagar i) 50 KW SW Transmitter. ii) 100 KW MW Transmitter and Permanent Studios (Continuing 6th Plan scheme).

2. HIMACHAL PRADESH

A. New Radio Stations:-

1. Dharamshala 2 x 5 KW FM Tr.( M.P. Studios.

2. Kinnaur 1 KW MW Tr. (Without Studio, facilities).

Lahul Spiti 1 KW MW Tr. (Without Studio facilities).

Kasauli 2 x 5 KW FM Tr. (Commercial) (Chandigarh Programme).

5. Kulu 2 x 3 KW FM (Local)

6. Hamirpur 2 x 3 KW FM (Local) 217 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 218

B. Additional facilities at Existing Stations:-

1. Simla i) Replacement of 2.5 KW SW Transmitter by 50 KW SW Transmitter.

3.JAMMU KASHMIR

A. New Radio Stations:-

1 Bhadarwah (Doda Distt.) 2 x 3 KW Tr, M.P. Studios.

2. Kargil 1 KW MW Tr.. M.P. Studios•

3. Poonch 2 x 3 KW FM (Local)

4. Kathua 2 x 3 KW FM (Local)

B. Additional Facilities at Existing Stations:-

1. Srinagar i) Replacement of 7.5 KW SW Tr. by 50 KW SW Tr.

ii) Replacement of 1 KW MW Tr. by 10 KW MW Tr. (Yuva Vani).

2. Jammu i) Replacement of 1 KW MW Tr. by 10 KW MW Tr.

'•) Upgradation of power of the ex­ isting 50 KW MW Transmitter to 300 KW MW Tr.

Leh i) 10 KW SW Transmitter.

4. MANIPUR

A. New Radio Stations:-

Chura Chandpur i) 2 x 3 KW FM (Local)

B. Additional facilities at Existing Station:

Imphal Provision of 50 KW SW Trans­ mitter. 5. MEGHALAYA

New Radio Stations: Jowai 2 x 3 KW FM (Local) 219 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 220

1 2 j 3 B. Additional facilities at Existing Stations:

1 , Shillong i) 50 KW SW Tr. (Integrated Serv­ ice for N.E. region)

2. Tura i) Permanent Continuing set-up with Scheme. 20 KW MW Tr. and stu­ dios

6. MIZORAM

A. New Radio Stations:

1 . Lungleh 2 x 3 KW FM Transmitter, M.P. Studios.

7. NAGALAND

A. New Radio Stations:

1 . Mokokchung 2 x 3 KW FM (Local)

B. Additional facilities at Existing Stations:

1. Kohima i) Upgradation of power of existing 2 KW SW Tr. to 50 KW SW.

8. SIKKIM

A. Additional facilities at Existing Stations:

1 . Gangtok i) 10 KW SW Transmitter

ii) Permanent Continuing set up with Scheme 20 KW MW Tr. and Stu­ dios. 9. TRIPURA A. New Radio Stations:

1 . Kailashahar 2 x 3 KW FM (Local) (Sub-division)

2. Belonia 2 x 3 KW FM (Local) (Sub-Division) 221 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 222

\ STATEMENT-III

S.No. State Project Cost (Rs. in Lakhs)

1 2 3 4

1. Himachal LPT, Bilaspur 1.83 Pradesh

2. Jammu and VLPT, Kupwara 1.36 Kashmir VLPT, Ramban 0.23

3. Manipur TV Centre, Imphal 1.4 (Studio and Transmitter)

4. Meghalaya TV Centre Shillong 39.0 (Studio & Transmitter)

5. Tripura TV Centre and Staff 30.0 Quarters Agartala

6. Sikkim TV Centre Gangtok 26.64 • (Transmitter and Prog. Generation Facility)

7. • Mizoram HPT Lunglei 6.58 TV Centre Aizawal Free of Cost

8. Arunachal TV Centre, Itanagar 4.4 Pradesh (Transmitter & Studio) %

LPT Tezu 0.92

VLPT, Khonsa 0.027

STATEMENT - IV

THE EXPENDITURE SANCTION FOR ACQUISITION OF SITES

S.No Place (Scheme) Amount Month/Year

1 2 3 4

1. Ziro 2 x 3 KW FM Rs. 3.00 Lakhs 2/87

2. Tawang 10 KW MW Rs. 76, 000/- 2/88

3. Lahul Spiti 1 KW MW Rs. 1,99,000/- 7/87

4. Bhadarwah 2 x 3 KW MW Rs. 12,00,000/- 5/88 223 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 224

1 2 3 4

5. Kargil 1 KW MW Rs. 16,77,500/- 9/87

6. Poonch 2 x 3 KW FM Rs. 4,22,000/- 7/87

7. Kathua 2 x 3 KW FM Rs. 1,60,000/- 8/86

8. Churachandpur 2x 3 KW FM Rs. 4,20,000/- 3/88

9. Lung lei 2 x 3 KW FM Rs. 21,00,000/- 6/87 (Private site)

10. % Gangtok 10 KW SW & 20 KW MW Rs. 26,65,312/- 7/87

11. Kailashehar 2 x 3 KW FM Rs. 1 ,44,000/- 1/87 (Sub. Division)

12. Belonia (Sub. Div.) 2 x 3 KW FM Rs. 2,20,7000/- 11/86

13. Jowai 2x3 KW FM Rs. 25,40,000/- 10/88 (Private site)

Rehabilitation of Oustees from Pong in March 1988, out of which 8 cases have Dam since been decided.

547. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- (b) and (c). The problems of the ASHAR: Will the Minister of ENERGY be oustees arising from time to time are re­ pleased to refer to the reply given on 25 viewed frequently with the representatives August, 1987 to Starred Question No 434 of Governments of Rajasthan and H.P. with regarding rehabilitation of oustees from a view to resolve them. This i 9 a continuing Pong Dam and state: process.

(a) whether the remaining 24 cases Pending cases for Allotment of LPG which were under review by Government and Petrol/Diesel/Outlets In Himachal have since been decided and if so, the Pradesh details thereof; - 548. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- (b) whether the problems of the oustees ASHAR: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM referred to in reply to parts (c) and (d) thereof AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: have since been resolved; and (a) the number of cases pending for (c) if not, the reason for delay? decision regarding the allotment of LPG agencies arid petrol/diesel retail outlets in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Himachal Pradesh for over (i) five years, (ii) DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ four years (iii) two years and (v) one year; TRY OF ENERGY(SHRI KALP NATH RAI): (a). After reconciliation of the number of (b) the names of the places, district- cases of cancellation of allotment of land wise; pending for review with Rajasthan authori­ ties, it was found that 43 cases were pending (c) the reasons therefor; and 225 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 226

(d) the steps being taken to clear such changes (RAXs) of C-DOT design by March pending cases and streamline the proce­ 1989. dure for the future? 6. Pompurpa and Honda Strwnger THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE exchanges are proposed to be replaced by MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ electronic exchanges by March 1989. RAL GAS(SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) to (d). There are no cases concerning allotment of (b). 1. Panjim MAX —I: - Further expan­ petrol diesel dealerships and LPG distribu­ sion by 600 lines (4200 to 4800) by March torships in Himachal Pradesh pending for 1990. one year or above. 2. Divar and Loutelim MAX - III ex­ Improvement of Telecommunication change is proposed to be replaced by 128 Facilities port C-DOT RAX by March 1990.

549. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: Will 3. Mapusa and Ponda proposed to be the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be connected to Belgaum TAX for STD working pleased to state; by March 1990 subject to availability of transmission media between Panjim and (a) the latest position of the expansion/ Belgaum. replacement programme with respect to the telephone exchanges proposed to be re­ 4. Ten long distance Public Call Offices placed or expanded in Goa ; and are proposed to be opened before March 1990. (b) the details of the plan proposed to be undertaken in Goa Division for improvement 5. The present Strowger Telex ex­ of telecommunication facilities? change at Margaon and Panjim proposed for replacement by 120 lines and 250 lines THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Telex concentrator exchanges by March MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHRI 1990. GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a). 1 . Panjim MAX - I T h e expansion from 3900 to 4200 6. Panjim-Belgaum Narrow band 7 GHz lines is in progress and likely to be com­ conversion to wide band is in progress and pleted by March 1989. likely to be commissioned by March 1990.

2. Margaon PRX— A:- The expansion from 3000 to 4000 lines is in progress and Setting up of New A.I.R. Studio at likely to be commissioned in January 1989. PanaJI

3. Ponda:- Installation of 600 lines MAX 550. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: Will II exchange is in progress for replacement of the Minister of INFORMATION AND existing 480 lines manual exchange and BROADCASTING be pleased to state; likely to be completed before March 1989. (a) whether Government have acquired 4. Bicholim The present 200 lines land for the proposed new AIR studio at MAX-II exchange is proposed to be replaced Panaji; by 512 port I.L.T. exchange for which the equipment has been allotted during this (b) if so, the area acquired for the year. purpose;

5. About 18 small exchanges are pro­ * (c) the facilities that will be provided by posed to be replaced by electronic ex­ the proposed new AIR studio; 227 Written Answers < NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 5 228 i (d) whether State Government's co­ the existing AIR Studios. The response of operation has been sought for the construc­ the State Government is positive and very tion of the said studio;and co-operative.

(e) if so, the nature of co-operation Malls Services In Goa sought for and the response of State Gov­ ernment thereon? 551. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state; THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ (a) the arrangements existing at pres­ FORMATION AND BROAD CASTING ent to carry mail services in Goa, internally (SHRI H.K.L.BHAGAT): (a) and (b). Requi­ as also outside the State; sition for additional land for setting up of permanent studios at Panaji has been (B) the number of postal vehicles util­ placed with the State Government. The land ised and the post offices covered by them; has so far not been handed over to All India Radio. The additional land required is ap- (c) whether public transport vehicles Droximately 3100 Sq.Meters. are being utilised for carrying mail;

. (c). The new Studio complex at Panaji (d) if so, the post offices covered by is envisaged to have the following facilities: them; and

1 . Music Studio with Announcer (e) the number of letter boxes provided Booth in urban and rural areas? '

2. Drama Studio with Announcer Booth THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNlCATIONS(SHRI 3. Talks Studio with Announcer Booth GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Existing ar­ rangements for carrying mails inside Goa 4. Rehearsal Studio State is partly by MMS and partly by private/ state transport services. Mails for outside 5. Play Back Studios - Twp State are carried by Karnataka Road Trans­ port and also by air/rail services as feasible. 6. Dubbing-cum-Editing rooms - 3 Nos. (b) Five Postal vehicles are utilised to over 46 post offices. 7. “*"ape and disc library (c) and (d). Yes, Sir. 62 Post Offices are covered by them. 8. Control room with complete Tech­ nical facilities; (e) 233 and 465 letter boxes are pro­ 9. Auditorium-cum-recording studio vided in urban and rural areas respectively. for Western Music. Setting up of Optical Fibre Plant In (d ). Yes, Sir. Orissa

(e). The State Government has been 552. SHRIMATI JAYANTI FATNAIK: requested to hand over the land adjacent to Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to 229 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 230 state: Step up Popularise AIR In Tribal Areas, Orissa (a) whether the request of Industrial Promotion and Investment Corporation of 553. SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: Will the Orissa Limited to set up an optical fibre plant Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD­ in Orissa has been rejected; CASTING be pleased to state the steps taken to popularise A.I.R in North-East tribal (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and areas and in the Chhotanagpur area of Bihar? (c) if not, the steps taken to issued a letter of intent to the Corporation? THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY(SHRI FORMATION AND BROAD CASTING J. VENGAL RAO): (a): Yes, Sir. (SHRI H.K.L BHAGAT): A number of Radio Stations have been set up in the North- Eastern States and in Bihar to broadcast (b) Adequate capacity has already radio Programmes which also cover the been approved for the manufacture of this tribal districts of these States. A list of Radio item. Stations in this area and the tribal districts covered by them are given in the statement (c) Does not arise. below. 2 31 Written Answers Written List of Tribal Districts in the North Eastern States and Radio Stations Covering Them co _o 2 3 T CO C . JC a: T3 CO z "co CD CO ro E c O k— o a o o o 1 . J C CO - 1 co c ro ro O > 2 b -C -Q ■0 co (O ro c CD ro 3 d c ro l c

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* Setting up of T.V. Relay Centres and (c): AIR Stations In North Bengal and Sikkim A. All India Radio

554. SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: Will the The Radio Station at Siliguri with 200 Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD­ KW MW Transmitter, Studios Type I, Re­ CASTING be pleased to state; ceiving Centre and Staff Quarters provides programmes in Bengali, Hindi, (a) whether Government proposed to Rajbhanshi(dialect), Senthali (dialect) and set up more TV Relay Centres and A.I.R. Nepali. The Kurseong Radio Station with 20 stations in North Bengal and Sikkim; KW SW Transmitter, Studios, Receiving facilities and Staff Quarters broadcasts pro­ (b) if so, the details thereof and if not, grammes in Nepali, Hindi, English, Bengali, the reasons thereto; Sanskrit, Tibetan(dialect) and Bhutanese (dialect). In addition.it broadcasts program­ (c) the details of the existing Radio mes in Sikkimese and Lepcha(dialect). As Stations and TV centres functioning in North regards Gangtok Radio Station, it has an Bengal and Sikkim with language wise cov­ interim set up with 10 KW MW Transmitter erage; and and limited studio facilities. Programmes from this station are broadcast in Nepali, (d) the steps being taken to cover all the Lepcha, Bhutia, Limbu and Hindi. language groups of that area? B. Doordarshan THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ At present, a 10 KW High Power TV FORMATION AND BROADCASTING transmitter at Kurseong and low power (100 (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) and (b). Follow­ W) transmitters at Darjeeling, Balurghat and ing are the schemes under the VII Five Year Malda are functioning in North Bengal. Plan for North Bengal and Sikkim:- Whereas the transmitter at Kurseong relays, through micro wave linkage, programmes A . All India Radio originating from Doordarshan Kendra, Cal­ cutta (in addition to the National Pro­ Upgradation of power of existing 20 KW gramme) the transmitters at Darjeeling, SW transmitter to 50 KW SW and setting up Balurghat and Malda relay only the program­ of Permanent Studios Type II (R) at mes originating from Doordarshan Kendra, Kurseong (North Bengal); Provision of 10 Delhi. Similarly, the low power TV transmit­ KW SW Transmitter and permanent studio ter operating at Gangtok relays programmes set up with 20 KW MW Transmitter at Gang­ originating from Delhi only. tok (Sikkim). (d) So far as All India Radio is con­ B. Doordarshan cerned, the communication needs of listen­ ers belonging to different language groups in Programme Generation Facilities at the area already met with adequately. The Siliguri (for TV transmitter at Kurseong) and Programme Generation Facilities Centre low power (100 W) TV transmitters at Alipur- under implementation by Doordarshan at duar and Kalimpong in North Bengal; and a Siliguri when commissioned into service 1 KW high power TV transmitter (in replace­ could similarly help production of program­ ment of the existing Low Power Transmitter) mes relevant to the various language groups with Programme Generation Facilities at in the area. Programmes relevant to various Gangtok and very low power (2 x 10 W) language groups in Sikkim would be pro­ transmitters at Mangan, Namchi and duced at the proposed programme Genera­ Gylashing in Sikkim. tion Facility Centre at Gangtok and telecast 235 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 236 from the local transmitter. (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) and (b). Only two surveys were done in the recent past on Hydel Projcct at Pahalgam in J & K the impact of television on Radio Listening — One in Lucknow in March, 1982 and the other in Hyderabad in October, 1983. It was 555. SHRI MULAPALLY RAMACHAN- revealed that listening to Radio had some­ DRAN: Will the Minister of ENERGY be what declined in the evening during televi­ pleased to state: sion transmission time. But the discerning majority of people still preferred to listen to (a) whether the hydel projoct proposed interesting programmes of Radio. at Pehalgam in Jammu and Kashmir has been cleared by Union Government; (c) No accurate assessment of the number of persons who listen to the Radio or (b) if not. the reasons therefor; watch the television can be made.

(c) whether State Government has Expansion of Instrumentation Ltd., sought foreign aid for this project; and Palghat

(d) if so, the details thereof? 557. SHRI MULLAPALLY RAMA- CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of INDUS­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE" TRY be pleased to state: DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN TH MINIS­ TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): (a) whether there is any proposal for the (a) Yes, Sir. expansion of the Instrumentation Ltd., Palghat, Kerala; and (b) Does not arise. (b) if so, the details thereof? . (c) No such proposal has been received so far. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO) (a) and (b). During the (d) Does not arise. Seventh Plan and the early part of the Eighth Plan, Instrumentation Ltd., Palghat pro­ Effect of T.V. on A.I.R. poses to put up facilities for manufacture of several new items such as Safety Relief 556. SHRI MULAPALLY RAMACHAN- Valves, Magnetic Flow-Meters, Electric Ac­ DRAN: Will the Minister of INFORMATION tuators, Tank Level Gauging systems, Elec­ AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: tronic Governors and Solar Pumps.

(a) whether any study has been made to determine the effects of the advent of televi­ Supply of Telephone Directory in sion on the A.I.R.; - Kharagpur, Midnapur ETC

(b) if so, the details thereof with findings; 558. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Will and the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: , (c) the estimated number of people who listen to the radio and the number that watch (a) whether telephone directory for T.V.? Kharagpur, Midnapur, Haldia and Kolaghat has not been supplied to the telephone THE MINISTER . OF PARLIAMEN­ subscribers for the years 1987 and 1988; TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ FORMATION AND ..BROADCASTING (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 237 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 238

(c) when the latest directory' will be (c) Refering (b) above, no remedial supplied to the subscribers? action.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) Yes, Sir, To replace the existing MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI exchange by electronic exchange. GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) to (c). The Telephone Directory, 1986 issue of Khar­ (e) During the 8th Plan period. agpur Secondary Switching Area (which includes Midnapur, Haldia and Kolaghat) Establishment of New Cement Plants was issuod in December, 1986. There being and Policy for Eighth Plan not many changes thereafter, 1987 issue there of has not been published. 560. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to The 1988 issue of Telephone Directory state: for Kharagpur Secondary Switching area is under print and is likoly to be issued by (a) the number of cement manufactur­ December, 1988. ing units functioning in the country at pres­ ent, State-wise; Complaints Regarding Telephone ex­ changes at Kharagpur and Midnapur (b) the annual production of cement in West Bengal the country;

559. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Will (c) the number and the details of cement the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be manufacturing units closed down and the pleased to state: effect on its production;

(a) whether Government have received (d) the number of applications cleared any complaints regarding the functioning of for establishing mini cement plants in the telephone exchanges at Kharagpur and country, State-wise and the number of mini Midnapur in West Bengal; cement plants established in each State so far; * (b) if so, the details thereof; (e) whether most of the mini cement (c) the steps taken by Government in plants which have been cleared by Govern­ this regard? ment have not been established;

(d) Whether Government propose to (f) whether an enquiry has been made replace the old and obsolete “Strowger" to ascertain the causes and if so, the details Telephone Exchange at Kharagpur with an thereof; and electronic Exchange; and (g) the Government’s policy in regard to (e) if so, when? establishing more cement plants in the country during the Eight Five Year Plan to meet the increasing demand of cement? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO ) : (a) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (g). Statement-1 is (b) Two complaints received for these given below:- exchanges regarding billing complaints. The complaints were investigated and no false (a) The required details are given in the metering was detected. statement I below. 239 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 240

(b) The production of cement in the of mini cement plants are closely monitored. country during the last 3 years was as un- However, implementation of the projects der:- depends primarily on the efforts made by the individual entrepreneurs. Year (In million tonnes) production (g) The Government has policy to en­ 1985-86 33.1 courage creation of additional capacity in cement industry on a selective basis. In 1986-87 36.5 order to meet the increase in demand of cement as projected for the 8th Plan, Gov­ 1987-88 39.5 ernment encourages both establishment of new cement plants particularly in deficit (c) Six cement plants in the organised areas as well as the modernisation and sector are not presently in production. The expansion of existing units to bring them to loss of production on this account is esti­ the optimum economical level. With regard mated to be 1.00 million tonnes to 1.5 million to mini cement plants, such plants upto 100/ tonnes per annum. 200 TPD capacity based on VSK technology and scattered deposits of limestone aro (d) and (e) The required details are give generally encouraged. The existing mini in the statement II below: cement plants are permitted expansion of their capacity from 200 TPD to 300 TPD and (f) Approvals accorded forthe setting up even upto 600 TPD under certain conditions.

STATEMENT-I

Details of Cement Plants in production in the Organised Sector-State-wise.

SI.No. Name of State No. of Units

1 2 3

1 . Andhra Pradesh 32

2. Assam 2

3. Arunachal Pradesh 1

4. Bihar 7

5. Gujarat 26

6. Haryana 2

7. Himachal Pradesh 2

8. Jnmmu & Kashmir 3

9. Karnataka State 19

10. Kerala 2 241 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 242

1 2 3 1 1 . Madhya Pradesh 24

12. Meghalaya 1

13. Maharashtra 7

14. Orissa 3

15. Rajasthan 16 16. Tamil Nadu 12

17. U.P. State 5

18. West Bengal 1

Total : 165 243 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 244

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561. SHRI T. BALA GOUD : Will the (d) While steps have been initiated to Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: identify the sources of funding, these proj­ ects, are not yet tied-up for World Bank/ (a) whether Government propose to Bilateral financing. transmit power at an extra high voltage of 200 K.V. from some Super Thermal Power Conversion of Manual Telephone Stations for the first time; Exchanges Into Auto Exchanges In Andhra Pradesh (b) if so, the details of such schemes already approved and these pending ap­ 562. SHRI T. BALA GOUD : Will the proval; Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (c) the time frame for setting up the first three such 900 K.V. transmission projects; (a) the number of telephone exchanges and in Andhra Pradesh excluding Hyderabad telephone district; (d) whether the projects will be financed by the World Bank or through bilateral aids (b) how many of them are electronic from foreign countries? exchanges;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) whether there is any proposal to DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ replace some of the manually operated TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALPNATH RAI): exchanges by automatic exchanges; a nd (a) Yes, Sir. Both from Super thermal power stations as well as Hydro-electric Schemes. (d) if so, when Government propose to complete this programme? (b) Presently, the following 800 KV THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE class transmission lines have been identi­ MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI fied for appraisal of their techno-economic GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The number of feasibility by the Central Electricity Author- Telephone exchanges as on 1.4.1988 is ity:- 2020.

(i) Anpara-Unnao transmission line (b) 25 Exchanges are of Electronic. in Uttar Pradesh, (c) Yes, Sir. (ii) Manpur (J&K) - Moga (Punjab) (d) Some of the manual exchanges are transmission line, proposed to be replaced by automatic ex­ changes during the remaining period of (iii) Vindhyachal - Bina- Nagda Seventh Plan (upto 31.3.1990) All remaining transmission line in Madhya manual exchanges shall be replaced during Pradesh ;and Jhe 8th Plan period progressively.

(vi) Tehri - Mawana - Mandaula Training Research end Development transmission line in Uttar Organisations Pradesh. 563. SHRI T. BALA GOUD : Will the (c) The above transmission projects are Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: programmed for completion towards the end 249 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 250

(a) the details of the Training Research quality of metallic stamps and development and Development Organisations under the of polymer stamps; control of his ministry; and (7) Study into development of (b) the output of these organisations multi purpose counter machines; during the last two years, with details in each case? (8) Introducing of indigenous THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE stamp cancelling machines and High Speed MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS RE­ Franking machines in the Post Offices; SEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO ) : (a) There is no (9) First phase of study for intro­ Training Research & Development Organ­ duction of an Integrated Mail Handling sys­ isation in the Department of Posts. A Re­ tem for Bombay. search & Development Cell has been formed in the Department of Posts with the TRAINING establishment of one Director, assisted by Joint Director, Deputy Director and Adminis­ (a) There are five Postal Training trative Officer. The main aims of this cell Centres viz. P & T Training Centre, Sahar- arse to carry out Research in the field of anpur (U.P). Postal Training Centres at mechanisation and modernisation of Postal mysore, Darbhanga, Vadodara and Madurai Services. and one Postal Staff College, India at New Delhi. (b)(i) Study into a new method of enumeration of unregistered letters; All the five training centres provide induction and inservice training to operative (2) Development of a computer­ and supervisory staff of Department of ized Management information system for Posts. tne department of Posts. Postal Staff College provides induction (3) Review of the period of Pres­ training to officers belonging to Indian Postal ervation of records; Service and Indian P & T Finance and Accounts Services. Various refresher (4) Review of working procedures courses, seminars, workshops and Execu­ in Postal Accounts Officers; tive Development Programmes for IPS and other Gazetted Officars are also organised (5) Study on procedures relating in the college. to Indian Postal Orders; (b) The output for the last two years i.e. (6) Study into the improvement in 1986-87 and 1987-98 has been as under:-

No. Tiamed

1986-87 1987-88

1 2 3

1. Induction training to different cadres of postal staff 1890 1857

2. Inservice refresher training courses 6517 2561 251 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 252

r- 1 2 3 3. Special S.B. training f 5506 2219

4. Telegraph Training 101 63

5. Training imparted to foreign Nationals 5 14

The number trained in 1987-88 as idea of what changes should be made in compared to 1986-87 is less because of training programmes to make them effective austerity measures during 1987-88 due to and useful for departmental objectives. which the training work was suspended from During the period when training remained October, 1987 to February, 1988 in accor­ suspended due to austerity measures, the dance to economy instruction from Ministry training centres were involved in the conduct of Finance. of nation-wise surveys on behalf of the Expert Committee on Excellence in Postal During the last 2 years, the Postal Train­ Services convering more than 10,000 Postal ing Centres have carried out systematic employees of all cadres and more than 5000 training needs analysis by studying course consumers. The feedback obtained from feedbacks, responses of trainees who are these surveys is with the propose to rede­ back in the field, views of their supervisors sign training programmes. and officers. Social surveys have been conducted convering postal consumers to assess their views cf and expectations from In the postal Staff College, the output for postal employees and the Department. the last two years i. e. 1986-87, 1987-88 These research activities have given an has been as under:-

1986-87 1987-88

1. Indian Postal Service and P&T Accounts and Finance Service Probationer 36 23

2. Seminar, Workshop and Executive Development Programme for Group •A’ & ‘B’ Officers. 244 96

3. Training of Officer from Foreign developing countries — 11

The shortfall in training activities Export of Turn-Key Cement making during 1987-88 was due to authority meas­ Projects ures as mentioned above. 564. SHRI K. PRADHANI : Will the The information regarding Department Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state of Telecommunications is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (a) whether Government are aware of 253 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 254 the success of Saboo VSK technology for to suppliers credit and buyer's making of cement in medium and small credit has also been extending sector in India and its suitability for export of lines of credit to various develop­ turn-key projects to developing countries; ing countries with a view to en­ courage export of projects. •* (b) whether the National Small Indus­ tries Corporation Ltd, has approved this Delay in registration of Trade Marks, technology and exhibited its model in differ­ Patents and Designs ent industrial fairs abroad; and 565. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESWARI (c) the nature of facilities, incentives : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased and subsidies available on exports of turn­ to state: key projects for making of cement.? (a) whether there is much delay in the THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI registration of trade marks, patents and J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). Government designs; has seen report about the development of a VSK technology for manufacture of cement (b) if so, the reasons for such delay in by Shri D.B. Saboo having capacity of 50 registration; TPFD, NSIC had displayed for the first time, a model of VSK technology during an exhibi­ (c) whether any study groups was con­ tion organised by World Assembly of Small stituted to look into the matter; and Medium Enterprises (WASME) held in Nepal in April, 1988. (d) if so, the details of the report re­ ceived from the study group; and (c) With a view to boosting exports of projects and consultancy services, in gen­ (e) if the report has not been received, eral mcluding cement, the Government has when it is expected? inter-alia taken the following measures; THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRf4 i) Grant of project assistance to the J. VENGAL RAO ) : (a) and (b). while there tune of 10% of net foreign ex­ is no abnormal delay in the examination of change earnings from the serv­ patent applications or in the registration of ice portion of the contracts. designs, there is some delay in the examina­ tion of applications for registration of trade ii) Market Development Assis­ marks. The main reason for this is continu­ tance for reimbursement of 50% ous increase in the number of applications of cost of preparation and sub­ for registration of trade marks which has mission of bids. increased from 6,000 to 18,000 in 1986-87.

iii) Market Development Assis­ (c) to (e). A work Study Group was tance for opening and operating commissioned to look into the organisational overseas office by consultancy position of the Trade marks Registry. The firms. Work Study Group has recommended strengthening of the Trade Marks Registry in iv) EXIM Bank has recently been several respects and re-organisations of the pursuaded to reduce its interest jurisdictional functions. rates to 7.5% per annum to enhance the competitiveness of Ban on Recruitment In Public Sector Indian bids for projects. Undertakings

v) Further, EXIM Bank in addition 566. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA : Will 255 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 256 the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to a proposal to set up a Telecom Commission state: which could take quick decisions on every aspect of organisation development, adop­ (a) whether there is a continuing ban on tion of technology etc. in the field of telecom­ recruitment in the public sector undertak­ munications. The Commission will be able to ings; and guide the activities of the Department to be implemented expeditiously so that the bene- (b) if so, its effect on employment situ­ . fits reach the society at a much faster pace. ation? Use of Calcium Sand for Cemeni THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI manufacturing J. VENGAL RAO ): (a) and (b). The ban on creation/filling up of posts was relaxed in 568. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: Wil! October, 1985 in order to ensure that the the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to essential work in the public sector undertak­ state* ings does not suffer. The PSUs were, how­ ever, instructed to continue economy in (a) whether there is any proposal to use expenditure and exercise utmost restraint in the Calcium sand available in off-shore ar­ the creation of new posts/posts vacancies eas of Lakshadweep as a potential ingredi­ may be created filled up only in exceptional ent to manufacture cement, and circumstances such as commissioning of a new project, expansion of existing activities, (b) if so, the details thereof? statutory requirements, diversification of activities, etc. Further, posts/vacancies be­ THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI low board level and other categories of offi­ J. VENGAL RAO) :(a) and (b). The Island cers and supervisory staff and workers may Administration of Lakshadweep have beer, be created/filled up only with the prior ap­ advised to examine their proposals to set up proval of the Board of Directors. a cement plant in the island, based on local sands from the environmental and ecologi- • Replacement of the Telecommunica­ ca1 angles. So far no further proposal has tions Board by Four-Member Commis­ been received from them in this regard. sion Electrical appliances (Quality Control), 567. SHRI V. TULSIRAM : Will the Order, 1988 Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : 569. SHRI MOHD. MAHFOOZ ALI KHAN : Will the Minster of INDUSTRY be (a) whether the Telecommunications pleased to state: Board is proposed to be replaced by a four member Commission, as reported in the (a) whether the attention of Govern­ Economic Times dated 3rd October, 1988; ment has been drawn to a report captioned “Electrical goods lobby powerful" appearing (b) if so, whether other Boards which in the Times of India of August 13, 1988; are not functioning as expected are also to be replaced by such Commissions; and (b) if so, whether it is a fact that the implementation of the Electrical Appliances (c) if so, the details of such Boards and (Quality Control) Order, 19e9 has been de­ the criteria for their replacement? layed;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) if so, the reasons therefor; and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) to (c). There is (d) the steps proposed to be taken for 257 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 258 effe ctive implementation of the order? ernment could be considered. The total es­ i. timated cost of the proposed project is Rs. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI 700 crores. J. VENGAL RAO): (a) Yes, sir. Gap In Power Supply Position to (b) No, sir. Engineering Industry

(c) Does not arise. 572. SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU : SHRI SHANTILAL PATEL : (d) Government are" monitoring the implementation of the said Order and are Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to taking appropriate steps in this regard, in­ state: cluding the provision of necessary assis­ tance and support. (a) whether the massive gap in the power supply position has caused serious Bombay Suburban Electric Supply concern to the engineering industry ; Thermal Power Station (b) whether any study has been made to 571. SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU : find the deficit of power during the year 1987- SHRI SHANTILAL PATEL : 88; and

Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to (c) if so, the steps being taken to help state: the industry in meeting the shortfall of power supply? (a) whether it is a fact that thousands of adivasis and fisherfolk will lose their liveli­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE hood once the 500 MW Bombay Suburban DEPARTMENTOF POWER IN THE MINIS­ Electric Supply Thermal power station TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): comes up at Dahanu; (a) Industrial output depends on a number of factors and power shortage is only one of (b) if so. the details thereof; and these factors The supply of power to various categories of consumers is decided by the (c) the time by which the plant is likely to State authorities, keeping in view the overall be set up and the total cost of the plant? demand for power and its availability.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) The power supply position in the DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ country during 1987-88 was as under: TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) : (a) to (c). The government of Maharashtra Requirement '210993 MU have indicated that the proposed installation of a thermal power station (500 MW) by M/s. Availability 187976 MU Bombay Suburban Electric Supply Ltd. at Dahanu is likely to have no adivasis effect on Shortage 23017 MU the local advises and f isherfolk who could be benefitted by the employment opportunities % Shortage 10.9% likely to be created. (c) The measures being taken to im­ The proposed plant is envisaged to be prove the availability of power include expe­ set up within five years from the date of start diting commissioning of new generation of work. The project proposal would require capacity, implementation of short gestation techno-economic appraisal by the Central projects, improving the performance of ex­ Electricity Authority before approval of Gov­ isting power stations, reducing transmission 259 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15. 1908 Written Answers 260

and distribution losses, implementation of Development of Hydro Electric Power demand management and energy conser­ Potential by National Hydro-Electric vation measures and arranging transfer of Power Corporation energy from surplus to defecit areas. 574. SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU : Will Profit/Loss of Public Sector Enterprises the Minster of ENERGY be pleased to state:

573. SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU : (a) whether the National Hydro electric SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA : Power Corporation has proposed a newtime SHRI SRIKANTHA DATTA frame for the accelerated development of N A R A S IM H A R A J A hydro electric power potential in the country; WADIYAR : SHRI S.B.SIDNAL : (b) if so, whether this action has been taken to make the hydro electric projects Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to competitive with the thermal power stations; state: (c) whether the existing time frame of 15 (a) whether the overall profits of the year*? will be reduced to about 9.5 years; and public sector enterprises fell by Rs. 83.06 crores in 1987-88; (d) if so, the measures proposed to be taken in this regard.? (b) the names of the public sector enter­ prises which have earned profits and the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE percentage thereof; DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) (c) the names of enterprises which have : (a) to (d). For reducing the gestation period incurred loss during the above period and of Hydroelectric projects, National Hydro­ the reasons thereof; and electric Power Corporation had inter-alia, suggested acceptance of the concept of (d) the steps being taken to improve the two-stage clearance of hydroelectric proj­ performance of public sector enterprises? ects for investment decision, namely, the preconstruction works and the main project THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI works Government have accepted the sug­ J. VENGAL RAO ) : (a) According to the gestion, in principle, in respect of Central provisional unaudited figures received from Sector and joint-venture(between Central 191 out of about 225 public Sector Enter­ Government and one or more State) Hydro­ prises, there is a drop in profit of Rs 83.06 electric Projects. Sanction for pre-construc- crores during 1987-88. tion works of Uri Hydroelectric Project has already been accorded under this policy. (b) and (c). Information on profit/loss made by all the Central Public Sector Enter­ prises during 1987-88 is being compiled and Loss to Delhi Electric Supply Undertak­ will be made available to the House in the ing Public Enterprises Survey in February, 1989. 575. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Will the Minster of ENERGY be pleased to state: (d) A number of steps taken to improve the performance of Public Sector Enter­ (a) whether the attention of Govern­ prises are given at page 179 of Volume-I of ment has been drawn to the news item Public Enterprises Survey 1986-87 placed captioned "DESU" laxity results in Rs. 1 on the Table of the Hose on 25th February, crore loss" appearing in the Time of India’ 1988. dated 13 October, 1988; 261 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) written Answers 262

(b ) If so, when the project for improving ment of sitting Members of Parliament on the power distribution net-work in Delhi was boards of public sector enterprises has not cleared by the Central Electricity Authority; been changed.

(c) the details thereof; Financial Position of cement Industry

(d) the reason for delay in setting up the 577. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: Will project; and the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (e) the cost escalation as a result thereof? (a) whether there is a continuous dete­ rioration in the financial position of the exist­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ing cement manufacturing units. DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) (b) if so, whether this has stood in the : (a) to (e) The information is being collected way of long term investment plans for the and will be laid on the Table of the House. cement industry; and

Nomination on Board of Directors of (c) if so, the details thereof? Public Enterprises THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI 576. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Will J. VENGAL RAO ) : (a) to (c). Representa­ the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to tions have been received from cement in­ state: dustry that a number of cement factories are facing financial problems due to increase in (a) whether Government have started input costs and fall in market price of non­ nominating politicians on the boards of levy cement. The temporary recession in public sector enterprises; demand as a result of severe drought in many States could be a reason for tell in (b) if so, the names of public sector market prices. It is too early to assess, if the enterprises to which such nominations have present condition will have any impact on been made and the names of the nominees; long-term investment plan. and v However, as a result of the various (c) the reasons for changing the earlier steps taken by the Government, the produc­ practice ? tion of cement has increased considerably. It has gone up from 18.56 million tonnes in THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI 1980-81 to 39.55 million tonnes in 1987-88. J VENGAL RAO ) : (a) Presumably, the On account of good monsoon this year, the Hon’ble Member is referring to nominations position is likely to improve further. of sitting Members of Parliament to the boards of public sector enterprises. As per existing policy of. the Government, no sitting Badll Industrial Estate Member of Parliament should be appointed on the boards of public sector undertakings. 578. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: Will Presently no sitting Members has been the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to nominated to the boards of any public sector refer to the reply given on 11 March, 1986 to enterprises. Unstarred Question No. 2233 regarding Badli Industrial Estate and state the number (b) Does not arise. of industrial units which have come up in Badli Industrial Estate during the last three (e) The policy regarding non-appoint­ years? 263 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 264

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI direction to save foreign exchange? J. VENGAL RAO): According to the latest figures furnished by Delhi Administration the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF MINIS­ total number of plots that stand allotted is TRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATURAL 275. Though 49 units had come up in phase GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT) : (a) and (b). I & II during the last 3 years, only 14 are Natural gas can be used as a substitute for reported to be functioning. certain liquid petroleum products. The in­ creased use of natural gas would help in National Pool of TV Programmes containing the consumption of some petro­ leum products as also the net outgo of for­ 579. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: Will eign exchange for this purpose. the Minister of INFORMATION AND ■BROADCASTING be pleased to state: As a result of various measures taken, the utilisation of natural gas has increased (a) whether their is any proposal under from 11.44 MMCMD in 1984-85 to 21.92 consideration to reorganize TV program­ MMCMD during 1987-88. mes; Power Generation Target (b) if so.wnether it is proposed to set up a National Pool of Programmes in order to 581. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL : ease the burden on Delhi Doordarshan; SHRI YOGESHWAR PRASAD YOGESH: (c) if so, the details thereof; and SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA:

(d) if not, the reasons therefor? Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ (a) the total power generation in the FORMATION AND BROADCASTING country at the beginning of Seventh Five (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT) : (a) to (d). Doord­ Year Plan, State-wise; arshan reviews periodically TV programmes telecast by various Doordarshan Kendras. (b) the target fixed for the additional Many programmes telecast by Doordarshan power generation during the Seventh Five Kendra, Delhi in the National Programme Year Plan period; are contributed by Doordarshan Kendras. Besides, programmes like documentaries, (c) the achievement made so far in this dramas , music and dance items,, children's regard: programmes etc. are regularly exchanged amongst various Doordarshan Kendras. (d) whether the target has been achieved; Use of Gas as Substitute for Oil

580. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL : Will (e) if not, the steps being taken to in­ the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU­ crease the power generation during the RAL GAS be pleased to state: remaining period of the Seventh Plan; and

(a) whether the growing crude imports can be substantially brought down by using (f) the target fixed for the Eight Five Year gas as substitute for oil where it can easily be Plan? used;and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the steps baing taken in this DEPARTMFNTOF POWER IN THE MINIS 265 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 266

TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) 1 . - ' 2 : (a) The requisite information is given in the statement below; Uttar Pradesh 4147.77 (b) During the Seventh Plan period the target of additional capacity for power gen­ Chandigarh 2.00 eration has been fixed as 22245 MW. Delhi 275.80 (c) During the first three years of the Seventh Plan i.e. upto 1987-88 a capacity of Central Sector 2390.00 11828.94 MW has been commissioned. Sub.Total (N.R.) 11961.54 (d) and (e). Various measures have been taken to obviate delays in completion Gujarat 3106.20 of power projects which include extensive Madhya Pradesh 2680.50 monitoring of the projects, expediting supply of equipments and material, visit to project site by Senior Officers of the Government Maharashtra 5995.30 and Central Electricity Authority to identify Goa, Daman & Diu — and overcome the constraints. The need for effective project management has also been D & N Haveli — emphasised on the State Authorities. With these measures, it is expected that the tar- Central Sector 1146.00 gets’fixed for the Seventh Plan will be fully achieved. Sub.Total (W.R) 12928. 00 (f) The Eighth Plan power generation Andhra Pradesh 3155.43 targets have not yet been finalised. Karnataka 2219.80 STATEMENT Kerala 1011.50 STATEWISE INSTALLED CAPACITY AS ON 31.3.1985 Tamil Nadu 2508.95 (Utilities only)

(Figures in MW) Pondicherry 87

Namo of the Lakshadweep 2.67 Region/State Capacity Central Sector 1435.00 1 2 Sub-Total (S.R). 10333.35 Haryana 1311.21 Bihar 1374.43 Himachal Pradesh 134.02 Orissa 1134.67 Jammu & Kashmir 205.54

Punjab 2315.25 West Bengal 2394.30

Rajasthan 1179.95 D.V.C. 163V.50 267 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 268

1 2 (d) if so, whether the Gas Authority of India Ltd. has initiated any action in this I regard; and A & N Islands 10.67 (e) if so, the details thereof and the Sikkim 16.99 details of areas in which gas is likely to be supplied through pipelines? Central Sector — THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Sub-Total (E.R). 6562.64 MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) and Assam 432.19 (b) Natural gas is being supplied, through pipeline in Gujarat, Maharashtra, U.P., M.P. Manipur 22.79 Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Assam and Tripura for consumers in the power, fertilizer Meghalaya 133.66 * and other sectors. Natural gas is also being supplied for domestic use in certain towns in Nagaland 5.12 Gujarat and Assam.

Tripura 21.24 (c) to (e). The HBJ Pipeline is being extended from Babrala to Delhi for supply of Arunachal Pradesh 17.67 gas to DESU for power generations. GAIL have proposed to undertake a detailed fea­ Mizoram 11.51 sibility study for supplying gas to consumers in Delhi and nearby areas through pipeline. Central Sector 155.01 Rural Electrification In Bihar Sub-Total (N.E.R). 799.19 583. DR. G.S. RAJHANS: TOTAL ALL INDIA 42584.72 SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA : SHRIMATI MADHUREE SINGH : Supply of Gas Through Pipeline Will the Minster of ENERGY be pleased to 582. DR. G.S. RAJHANS: state: SHRI RAM PYARA PANIKA: SHRIMATI MADHUREE ia) whether he attention of Government SINGH : has been drawn to the next time captioned “Rural electrification in Bihar limping appear­ Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND ing in the 'Hindustan Times’ dated 12 Octo­ NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: ber, 1988;

(a) whether gas is being suppfied to (b) if so, whether Union government consumers at any place in India through have given any assistance to Bihar State for pipeline; rural electrification during the current plan period and if so, the details thereof; (b) if so, the details thereof; (c) whether the Rural Electrification Corporation has worked out any scheme for (c) whether it is proposed to supply gas electrification in Bihar; and to the consumers in Delhi through pipelines for domestic and industrial use; (d) if so, the details thereof? 269 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 270

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tracts for the major equipment packages DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ have been awarded and preaward activities TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) are in progress for the balance packages. : (a) Yes, Sir. The boiler creation work is expected to commence in early 1989. (b) The Planning Commission has allo­ cated Rs 170.71 crores (excluding Special (b) The first 210 MW unit ot the project Project Agriculture) for electrification of is expected to be commissioned by July, 15806 villages and energisation of 241584 1991 and the remaining three units at inter­ pumpsets in Bihar during the Seventh Plan vals of six months each thereafter. period under the programme of Rural Elec­ trification Corporation. Against this, 7808 (c) and (d). The latest estimated cost of villages have been electrified and 32080 the project is Rs. 1480.60 crores, including pumpsets energised upto September, 1988. Rs 188.10 crores for the associated trans­ mission system. The supply contract forth (c) and (d). Rural Electrification Corpo­ project was concluded in July, 1987 and the ration have sanctioned 1096 rural electrifica­ progress of works is by and large, on sched­ tion projects in Bihar upto the end of Septem­ ule. The increase in the cost estimates is ber, 1988 envisaging financial assistance of mainly on account of price escalation. Rs. 321.4 crores. Against this, Rs 242.25 crores have been disbursed upto 30th Sep­ Central Public Sector Investment In tember, 1988. Bihar

Completion of Super Thermal Power - 585. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: Will Plant In Kahalgaon. Bihar the Minster of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: 584. SHRI SYED SH AHABUDDIN: Will the Minster of ENERGY be pleased to state: The Central Public Sector investment made in Bihar during 1987-88? (a) the progress made towards the completion of the Super Thermal Power THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Plant in Kahalgaon in Bihar; J. VENGAL RAO ): Information on Cen­ tral Public Sector Investment in various (b) the present target date for its com­ States during 1987-88 is being compiled and pletion; will be made available to the House in the Public Enterprises Survey in February, (c) the present estimated cost of the 1989. project; and Amount Spent on Relief and Rehabilita­ (d) the reasons for the delay and the tion of Bhopal Gas Victims cost over-run as compared to original esti­ mates? 586. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state: DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) (a) the amount spend or allocated to : (a) The Kahalgaon Super Thermal Power Madhya Pradesh by the Union Government Project Stage-I ( 4x 210 MW) has been taken for relief and rehabilitation of the victims of up for implementation with Soviet assis­ Bhopal Gas disaster until 30 September, tance. The site levelling work in the main 1988 : plant area and the piling work for the founda­ tion of Unit I have been completed. Con­ (b) the break-up of the amount spend, 271 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15. 1988 WrittenAnswers 272 item wise or scheme-wise so far; and of the gas victims as on 30.9.1988.

■t ' (c) the number of applications under (b) gist of the details in this regard based each scheme pending for relief as on 1 on information received from Government of October. 1988. Madhya Pradesh as on 31.3.1988 is given in the Statement below. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO ) : (a) A sum of Rs 76.62 (c) The applications received from the crores has been given by the Central Govt, victims for relief under the various schemes to the Government of Madhya Pradesh as are being processed by the Siate Govern­ medium term loan for relief and rehabilitation ment as and when received.

STATEMENT

Information as reported by Madhya Pradesh Government regarding expenditurj incurred on various schemes of relief and rehabilitation of Gas Victims till 31.3.1988.

SI. Item Main schemes covered Amount spend No. (Rs. in lacs)

1 Z 3 4

1 . Relief Exgratia payment to survivors 3,616.74 of deceased, gas affected families, free distribution of foodgrains, oil, milk etc.

2. Medical rehabilitation i) Facilities Equipments/furniture, medicine 1,124.07 and staff and other expenses

ii) Construction Hospitals and dispensaries 262.55

3. Economic Training, development of special 507.26 rehabilitation industrial area for gas affected, construction of workshop and gumties

4. Social Pensions to widows, expenditure 389.64 rehabilitation on ICDS, housing and construc­ tion of schools, etc.

5 Environmental Improvement of immediate 690.90 improvement environment through various agencies, strengthening of water supply, construction of Sulabh Shouchalaya Complex, improvement in street lighting parks and tree plantation, garbage disposal arrangements, roads improvement etc. 273 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 274

6. Other Items including litigation and 299.71 administration etc.

FORMATION AND BROADCASTING Violation of the Drugs (Prices Control) (SHRI H.K.L.BHAGAT): (a) and (b). Consid­ Order, 1987 ering the heavy expenditure involved in ^ obtaining technical equipment and setting 587. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN : up of transmitters and recruitment of addi­ Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased tional staff, it is not possible immediately to to state: have round the clock All India Radio broad­ (a) the number of cases of violation casts. of the Drugs (prices Country) Order 1987 which have come to the notice of Govern­ Regional Programmes of Doordarshan ment since the order was issued; In Orissa

(b) brief particulars of these cases; 589. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN : Will the and Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD- ' CASTING be pleased to state: (c) the action taken in each case? (a) whether the regional programmes THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI shown in Cuttack, Sambalpur and other J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (c). The number of Doordarshan Centres in Orissa need im­ bulk drugs and formulations prices of which are regulated by the DPCO, 1987 as well as provement, and the njmber of companies engaged in the marketing of these products is very large. (b) if so, the directions given to all the Whenever any instance of violation of the T.V. Centres in the country to give due DPCO, 1987 by any company comes to the ^ importance to regional programmes? notice cf the Government, suitable action is taken under the DPCO, 1987 and the Essen­ THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ tial Commodities Act. TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ FORMATION AND BROADCASTING Round the Clock Broadcasting (SHRI H.K.L.BHAGAT) : (a) and (b). It has always been the endeavour of Doordarshan 588. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN : Will the to improve upon its programmes, including Minster of INFORMATION AND BROAD­ those telecast from Kendras in Orissa. The CASTING be pleased to state: staff working in these Kendras are spon­ sored for attaining Workshops and trainings (a) the year by which extention of broad­ from time to time. Surveys conducted by casting AIR programme round the clock is Audience Research Units and letters re­ going to be made; and ceived from the viewers are also taken into consideration for improvement in the pro­ (b) the specific steps taken or contem­ grammes. The Programme Advisory plated in this regard? Committees at various Doordarshan Ken­ dras, consisting of eminent non-official THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ members, have also been st up to suggest TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ 275 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15. 1988 Written Answers 276 and advise the Kendras for bringing im­ Rs. per B.U. provement in their programmes. Potassium Penicillin aG” 650.00 Caprolactium Project in Bihar first Crystals

590. SMT. KISHORI SINHA : Will the Potassium Pencillin "G" 935.00 Minster of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: Potassium Pencillin 'V 650.00 (a) whether a Caprolactum project is First Crystals being set up in Bihar in the joint sector; Potassium Penicillin 'V 1216.00 (b) if so, the details thereof; and Sodium Pencillin ‘G’ 1108.00 (c) whetherthis would help in industriali­ sation of Bihar? Procaine Penicillin ‘G’ 1082.00

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Telecast of TV Serial ‘Mahabharat* J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (c). A letter of Intent has been issued to M/s. Bihar State Indus­ 592. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA : trial Development Corporation on 5.7.85 for SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY : manufacture of 50,000 t.p.a of Caprolactum PROF CHANDRA BHANU in the State of Bihar. M/s. BESIDC is yet to DEVI : fulfil the conditions laid down in the LOI. This project would have socio-economic benefits Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND in the State of Bihar. BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

°rice of Penicillin (a) whether there has been a persistent demand from various sections of the society 591. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: to change the time of telecasting the TV DR. KRUPASINDHU BHO I: serial 'Mahabharat'; SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH : (b) if so, whether the demand has been considered; Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (c) the decision taken in this regard; and

(a) whether the price of penicillin in the (d) whether it is proposed to give the gist country higher in comparison to international of the episode to be shown before the tele­ price of Penicillin; cast to enable Non-Hindi speaking people to understand the same, if not, the reasons (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and therefor?

(c) the steps Government have taken or THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ propose to take to reduce the price of Peni­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ cillin? FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI H.K.L.BHAGAT ) : (a) to (c). Some THE MINSTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI requests for changing the telecast time of the J. VENGAL RAO ): (a) to (c). There is no Serial 'Mahabharat' have been received. single international price for Penicillin. The These have been considered. Each episode prices of indigenous penicillins, as detailed of this Serial is of 50 minutes duration. The below, have been fixed on 22.1.1987 based commercials take another 15 minutes. on the recommendations of BICP. Keeping in view the length of the serial and 277 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 278 th e various other programmes, it has not THE MINSTER OF STATE IN THE been found possible to change the present DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ telecast time of the serial ‘Mahabharat’ to TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) any other chunk. : (a) Details of Statewise energy require­ ment, availability and shortage thereof dur­ (d) There is no proposal as no such ing October, 1988 and April to October, 1988 need is felt. is given in the Statement below.

Production and Consumption of Energy (b) The measures being taken to im­ prove the availability of power include expe­ 593. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY : diting commissioning of new capacity im­ plementation of short gestation projects, Will the Minster of ENERGY be pleased to improving the performance of existing power state: stations, reducing transmission and distribu­ tion losses, implementation of demand (a) the estimated production and con­ management and energy conservation sumption of energy in each State at present; measures and arranging transfer of energy from surplus to deficit areas. (b) the steps contemplated to meet the shortage of electricity in the country; and (c) An outlay of Rs. 34273. 46 crores has been earmarked for power sector in the (c) the funds allocated for this purpose by Government? Seventh Plan period. 279 279

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Operational Efficiency of State Electric­ (a) No, Sir. ity Boards (b) Does not arise. 594. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: SHRI K.S. RAO: (c) A statement giving State-wise trans­ mission and distribution losses during the Will the Minister of ENERGY be year 1987-88 is given below. pleased to state: (d) The Central Electricity Authority (a) whether Government have sought have issued comprehensive guidelines to opinion of the Finnish experts to suggest the Electricity Supply Organisations for the ways and means to tone up the operational reduction of transmission and distribution efficiency of State Electricity Boards in the losses. The Indian Electricity Act, 1910 has country; been amended to make theft of power a cognizable offence. The State Government/ (b) if so, the details thereof; Electricity Supply Organisations have also been advised to intensify surprise inspec­ (c) the extent of loss suffered as a result tions of the various consumer installations of transmission and distribution of power, and to undertake suitable administrative and State-wise details thereof; and legislative measures for the prevention of theft of power. Various measures taken to (d) the steps being taken to check this increase the production of power include, loss and increase the production of power in expediting the commissioning of new gener­ the country? ating capacity, implementation of short ges­ tation projects, improving performance of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the existing power stations and implementa­ DEPARTMENTOF POWER IN THE MINIS­ tion of demand management and energy TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): conservation measures.

STATEMENT

S. State Electricity Percentage of transmission and No. Boards/Departments distribution losses during 1987-86 (Provisional)

1 2 3

1. Haryana 25.43

2. Himachal Pradesh 21.55

3. Punjab 18.39

4. Rajasthan 21.00

5. Uttar Pradesh 26.82

6. Chandigarh 17.85 287 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15.1988 Written Answers 288

1 2 3

7. Gujarat 23.50

8. Madhya Pradesh 20.54

9. Maharashtra 14.32

10. Goa 24.56

1 1 . Dadra & Nagar Haveli 17.74

12. Daman & Diu 20.66

13. Orissa 23.30

14. Sikkim 23.92

15. West Bengal 21.24

16. A & N Islands 17.19

17. Andhra Pradesh 20.19

18. Karnataka 21.00

19. Kerala 21.30

20. Tamil Nadu 18.55

21. Lakshadweep 12.82

22. Pondicherry 20.21

23. Assam 20.09

24. Manipur 27.60

25. Meghalaya 8.39

26. Tripura 29.30

27. Arunachal Pradesh 31.32

28. Mizoram 30.00 289 Written Answers KARTIKA 24.1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 290

Incentives for setting up Industries In (a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas Tamil Nadu Commission has anticipated the production of 4.5 MT of crude oil by 1995 in Southern region; 595. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (b) if so, to what extent it will reduce the import of crude oil; (a) whether Government have an­ nounced some incentives for industries in (c) the details of the locations where oil Tamil Nadu recently; exploration will be made;

(b) if so, the details of such incentives; (d) the expected production of crude oil in Andhra Pradesh; and (c) the extent to which such incentives will help in setting up of industries in Tamil (e) the steps being taken to further Nadu recently; boost the production of crude oil in Andhra Pradesh? (d) whether some of these incentives are proposed to be given by Union Govern­ THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ment to Andhra Pradesh also for the purpose MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ of setting up industries; and RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) to (d). Preliminary projections of production from (e) if so. the details thereof and if not, the Southern region are of the order of 2.05 the reasons therefor? million tonnes. Similarly, projections for Krishna-Godavari basin in 1994-95 are of THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI the order of 0.75C million tonnes. However, J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (e). No Sir. The firm estimates of the production of crude oil Central Government have not announced by 1995 and its impact on imports will be any separate incentive scheme for setting known only after the 8th Plan is finalised. up industries in Tamil Nadu. However, the Tamil Nadu Government have in May 1988 (c) The details of the locations for announced certain incentives for setting up hydrocarbon exploration in the Southern industries in Tamil Nadu which include sales Region during the remaining period of VII tax relief, concession in power supply, in- Plan and for the VIII Plan are given in the centivss by way of financial support to new statement below. units and streamlining of procedures. (e) The following steps are being taken Production of Crude Oil In Southern to increase crude production in Krishna- Region Godavari Basin:—

596. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: (i) Increase in exploratory activities SHRI V. SREENIVASA in the region which will eventu­ PRASAD: ally increase the oil production. SHRI M.V. CHAN­ DRASEKHAR MURTHY: (ni iSommencement of production - from onland & offshore pros­ Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND pects whdre oil has been discov­ NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: ered: 291 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 202

— Kaikalur is already on production pects (Statement II) since 3-1-87 through Early Pro- * duction System. 3) Seismic surveys in Tanjavur, Tran- guebar, Ramanad, Nagapattinam and Ari- — GS-16, offshore prospect is yalur-Pondicherry depressions. likely to be put on production by mid 1989. Cauvery (Offshore):

(iii) Development of related infras­ 1) Delineation of PY- 1 , PY-3 prospects. tructural facilities. 2) Drilling of already identified 14 pros­ STATEMENT-1 pects (Statement II)

The details of locations in the southern 3) Seismic surveys in Gulf of Mannar, region for hydrocarbon exploration during Pondicherry offshore, South Palk Bay and the remaining period of VII Plan and for VIII Karaikal offshore. Plan. Pranhita-Godavari: Krishna-Godavari (Onland): 1) Three parametric locations have 1. Delineation drilling of proved hydro­ been identified drilling (Table-I). carbon bearing prospects, viz. Mandapeta, Chintalapalli, Tatipaka Pasarlapudi, Razole, 2) Seismic survey. Kaza and Kaikalur.

2. Drilling of already identified 24 pros­ STATEMENT-II pects (Statement II) Prospects Available for Drilling 3. Seismic surveys in Krishna sub ba­ sin, Gudivada and Bantumilli depressions. Krishna-Godavari (Onland):

Krishna-Godavari (Offshore): 1) Pulletikuru

1) Delineation of Rawa, G-1 , G-2 and 2) Bandamurlanka GS-8 prospects. 3) Enugapalli 2) Drilling of already identified 13 pros­ pects (Statement II) 4) Vainateyam-A

3) Seismic surveys 5) Ponumadam

Cauvery (Onland): 6) Ka-dali

1) Delineation of proved prospects, viz. 7) Saripalle Narimanam, Nannilam, Bhuvanagiri, Kov- Hkalappal and Tirukkalar. 8) Nemmikuru

2) Drilling of already identified 29 pros­ 9) Lingala 203 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 294

10) Kesanapa-lle 9 ) Kudavasal

11) Mori 10) Vettikadu

12) Achants 11) Attiladai

13) Ela-manchilli 12) Ammapetai

14) Kosuru 13) Pundi

15) Gajula padu 14) Enadi

16) Bhavddvarapalli 15) Arumulai

17) Palakollu 16) Raghunathpuram

18) Medap^du 17) Peruvalandan

19) Jonnalanka 18) Tiruvarur

20) Manepalli 19) Thirukaddayur

21) Tanuku 20) Adiyakkamangalam

22) Poduru 21) Ramnad

23) Amalapuram 22) Nayanakoil

24) Vetalapalam 23) Manakkal

Cauvery (Onland): Krishna-Godavan Offshore

1) Uchipulli 1 .GS 24

2) Kodiyakarai 2. GS 28

3) Kottarakudi 3. GS 22A

4) Nidamangalam 4. GS 22

5) Adambavur 5. GS 12

6) Vazhkudi 6. GS 37

7) Tatankovil 7. GS 38

8) Mangudi 8. GS 39 295 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 — ------'Written Answers 296

9 .G 1 5 2d. Alaqpudi ■ j 10. G 17 29. Tagatur

11 . Rawa Southeast Andaman (Onland):

12. NB 1 1. Henry Lawrance

13. NB 2 Pranhita-Godavari (Onland):

Cauvery (Offshore) 1 . Nagaram

1 .P H 7 2. Padampur

2. Point Calimere 3. Aswaraopet

3. PH 15 Andaman (Offshore)

4. PH 27 1 . AN-71

5. VDM Dellcenslng Facility to MRTP and FERA Companies 6. PH 12 597. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Will the 7. PHD Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state:

8. PH 10 (a) whether Government are consider­ ing a proposal to extend the delicensing 9. PH 14 facility to MRTP and FERA Companies for setting up industries in backward and other 10. Ph 16 areas; and

11.P Y4 (b) if so, the details thereof?

12PY 5 THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). The scheme 13. PY 6 of delicensing of industries was extended to MRTP/FERA companies in respect of 20 14. PND Appendix-I industries in March, 1986 and 27 more Appendix-I industries in December, 24. Nedunchery 1987 for location in any centrally declared backward areas and 24 non-Appendix-1 25. Tulsipatnam industries for location in category 'Af back­ ward districts. Further the MRTP Compa­ 26. Nanjalur nies belonging to the category of dominant industrial undertakings falling under Section 27. Komarakshi 20 (b) only of the MRTP Act have been 207 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 208 sub jected to licensing policy restrictions for GAS be pleased to state: the product (s) in respect of which they are classified as dominant. In respect of other (a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas products, they will be treated on par with Commission is lagging far behind in oil pro­ non-MRTP companies for the purposes of duction targets; industrial licensing. (b) if so, the reasons of the decline in production; Shifting of Telephones of Journalists (c) the strategy adopted by the ONGC 598. SHRI MUKUL WASNIK: to increase oil production; and SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: (d) the details thereof? Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ TIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ (a) whether the Mahanagar Telephone RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) No, Sir. Nigam Ltd., Delhi has received a represen­ tation from the Samachar Cooperative (b) Does not arise. Group Housing Society, Mayur Vihar Extension, Phase-2 for providing facilities to (c) and (d). To further increase the pro­ shift telephones of journalist members; duction of crude oil, ONGC has taken sev­ eral initiatives, such as: (b) if so, the action taken so far in this regard; and — Putting the newly discovered fields on production in the minimum pos­ (c) when the Mahanagar Telephone sible time, including through Early Nigam Ltd. will complete its work, if already Production Systems. undertaken? — Intensification of workover THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE operations to put back on production MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI the wells needing repairs. GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. — Use of enhanced recovery tech­ (b) and (c). Cable network for serving niques. subscribers in this area has already been planned and the work has been taken up. — Multilayer completion of wells for These telephone connections are likely to be obtaining production simultaneously provided progressively thereafter, during from more than one layer. 1989-90. — Introduction of suitable technology and equipment for sour as well as Production of Crude Oil by Oil and heavy oil production. Natural Gas Commission — Stimulation of wells for increasing 599. SHRI SRIKANTHA DATTA production. NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL — Use of artificial lift methods. 299 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15.1988 Written Answers 300

Demand and Availability of Petro­ the execution of some power projects: chemicals pesticides and Chemicals I (b) if so, the names of those projects; 600. SHRI SRIKANTHA DATTA NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the (c) tne amount of loan expected to be Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: obtained for those projects; and

(a) whether there is a wide gap between (d) the details thereof? the demand and availability of petro-chemi- cals, pesticides and chemicals; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ (b) if so, the steps taken to bridge the TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): gap; (a) to (d). Each year the Government of India poses a pipeline of projects, including power (c) whether Government are aware of projects, to the Asian Development Bank the rise in the demand of these products in (ADB) for assistance. The Unchahar the coming years; Extension Thermal Power Project in Uttar Pradesh and the North Madras Thermal (d) if so, whether the anticipated de­ Power Project in Tamil Nadu have been mand has been taken into consideration posed to the A.D.B. for financial assistance. while formulating any policy in the matter; and The amount of loan expected to be obtained for these projects is indeterminate (e) the details thereof? at present, since this would, inter alia, de­ pend upon the processing by the Bank and THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI the availability of funds with and for the fiscal J. VENGAL RAO): (a), (c) and (d). Yes Sir, year. but it is mainly in the field of petrochemicals. Public Sector Undertakings In Kerale (b) and (e). As a short term measure, deficits are being allowed to be covered 602. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- through imports. CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of INDUS­ TRY be pleased to state: By way of long term solution to the problem, additional capacities for the manu­ (a) the names of public sector undertak­ facture of these products have been ap­ ings in Kerala; proved and are in the process of being established. (b) the profit/loss earned by each public sector undertaking in Kerala during 1986-87 Execution of Power Projects with Asian and 1987-88 respectively; Development Bank Loan (c) whether there are any pending 601. SHRI SRIKANTHA DATTA proposals for setting up public sector units in NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the Kerala; and Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (d) if so, the details thereof? (a) whether Government propose to take the Asian Development Bank loan for THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI 301 Written Answers KARTIKA 24.1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 302

J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). The names of curred by these in 1986-87 upto which only the Central Public Sector Enterprises with information is readily available are given their registered offices located in the State of below: Kerala and the profit earned and loss in-

S. Name of Profit (+)/LossJ-) No. Enterprises (Rs. in crores)

1 2 3

1 . Cochin Refineries Ltd. (+) 4.65

2. The Fertilizers and Chemicals Travancore Ltd. (+)41.44

3. Hindustan Newsprint Ltd. (-) 4.93

4. Cochin Shipyard Ltd. (-)10.21

5. Hindustan Latex Ltd. (+) 0.46

6. Cashew Corporation of India Ltd. (+) 0.70

(c) No, Sir. There are no proposals (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) and (b). Work pending for setting up Central public sector relating to construction of building and tower units in Kerala in Industrial and Mineral for the proposed 10 KW high power TV Sector for which information is available. transmitter at Dharwad is envisaged to be awarded during the current year and the (d) Does not arise. transmitter is expected to be commissioned into service during 1990. T.V. Transmitter at Hubll, Karnataka

603. SHRI G. DEVARAYA NAIK: Will Setting up of A.I.R. Stations In Rural the Minister of INFORMATION AND Areas BROADCASTING be pleased to state: 604. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Will (a) when it is proposed to commence the Minister of INFORMATION AND the construction work for setting up of 10 KW BROADCASTING be pleased to state: TV transmitter at Hubli in Karnataka; and (a) whether Government propose to set (b) when the work is likely to be com­ up All India Radio stations in almost all rural pleted and the transmitter will be ready for areas; relaying the TV programmes? (b) if so, whether Government are THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ contemplating in terms of giving it to the TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ private people to run the broadcasting sta­ FORMATION AND BROADCASTING tions; and 303 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 304

(c) when this scheme will be imple­ very costly as compared to other oountrles. mented? : i (c) and (d). There is no ban on setting up THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ of more alcohol based industries and the TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ applications for grant of licence for such FORMATION AND BROADCASTING industries are considered on merits having (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) During the 7th regard to the availability of raw materials Five Year Plan AIR proposes to establish (feed stock), location etc. Projects proposed 105 new Radio Stations. Although these will for States which are traditionally surplus in be located In towns, their coverage will alcohol, like U.P., Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu, mainly benefit the rural masses etc. are accorded due weightage.

(b) No, Sir Ban on Import of DMT

(c) Does not arise. 606. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to Use of Alcohol In place of Petrol In state: Automobiles (a) whet her Government put DMT in the 605. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Willrestricted list in April 1985 and PTA in May the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU­ 1985; RAL GAS be pleased to state: (b) whether it is a fact that by that time (a) whether Government are contem­ the DMT production was not even stabilised; plating to use industrial alcohol in place of and petrol in automobiles; (c) the reasons for banning the import of (b) whether Government are aware that DMT/PTA when commercial production had petroleum products in India are very costly not started in the country? as compared tc other countries; THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI (c) whether Government propose to set J. VENGAL RAO): (a) Yes Sir. up more industrial alcohol based industries in the country in order to conserve the stock (b) and (c). The changes in Import Pol­ of petrol in the country; and icy were effected in the context of anticipated additional domestic availability of DMT. The (d) if so, the details thereof and the import of DMT and PTA was not banned but States where such units are likely to be shifted from OGL to Limited Permissible established? Category.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ONGC deal with South Korean Firm MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) 607. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: There is presently no scheme under consid­ DR. A.K. PATEL: eration of Government to use industrial alco­ SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: hol In place of petrol in automobiles. SHRI TEJA SINGH DARDI: SHRI BALWANT SINGH RA- (b) Petroleum products in India are not MOOWALIA: 305 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 306

SHRI K.S. RAO: the award of contract to HHI for these two platforms at a cost of US $ 169.61 million Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND was conveyed to ONGC in December, 1986. NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: Steps have been taken to attend to the observations of Audit in the inspection re­ (a) whether the attention of Govern­ port. ment has been drawn to the news-item captioned "Minister causes Rs. 20 crore Power Generation by National Thermal loss" appearing in the Times of India dated 9 Power Corporation In 8th Plan October, 1988; 608. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will (b) if so, the facts thereof; and the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state:

(c) the action taken in the m atter^ (a) whether the National Thermal Power Corporation (NTPC) has planned to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE generate more power during the Eighth Five MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ Year Plan; RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) if so, the details thereof; and

(b) and (c). ONGC floated two tenders in (c) the steps being taken to achieve the October/November, 1985 for the fabrication planned target? and Installation of the ICP & ICW Process Platforms. The offer of M/s. Hyundai Heavy THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Industries South Korea, emerged as the DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ lowest in both the tenders at US $ 158.51 TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): million. Accordingly ONGC proposed award (a) Yes, Sir. of contract to this firm. The firm had also offered a discount of US $ 1.5 million if the (b) As per present projections, installa­ contracts for both the platforms were tion of about 10,900 MW of additional gener­ awarded to them. Since the total value of ating capacity is planned by the National these two contracts was more than Rs. 100 Thermal Power Corporation for the Eighth crores, the possibility of establishing Plan period. counter-trade arrangements against these two tenders was considered and the firm (c) Works on the on-going projects are asked to give suitable proposals in this re­ generally progressing on schedule and gard. HHI did not agree to any countertrade steps have also been initiated to facilitate the proposal against its original offer and, while expeditious implementation of some of the extending the validity of their offer beyond projects programmed for benefits in the 1.11 .86, indicated a price increase of 8% for Eighth Plan period. the ICP platform and 10% for ICW platform, in addition to withdrawing the US $ 1.5 Deficit In Power Generation million discount offered by it. Later, after negotiations between the representatives of 609. SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL: Will the Government and HHI, the firm agreed to limit Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: the price escalation to 7% for both the con­ tracts and it also agreed to signing a counter­ (a) whether power generation during trade agreement. Government clearance to 1987-88 has been considered grim due to 307 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15.1988 Written Answers 308

n on-fulfilment of the demand; 1980-81 12.6% (b) whether power deficit during that period was the highest since 1980-81; 1981-82 10.8% 1982-83 9.2% (c) if so, whether achievements have 1983-84 10.7% fallen far short of planned targets despite 1984-85 6.7% increased plan allocation in the power sector 1985-86 7.9% during each successive year; and 1986-87 9.4%

(d) the steps Government propose to 1987-88 10.9%* remove the deficit in power generation? * The comparatively higher energy THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE shortage of 10.9% in the country during the DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ year 1987-88 was mainly due to drought TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): conditions prevailing in almost the entire (a) The total energy generation during 1987- country during the year resulting not only in 88 was 201894 MU, as against the target of lower availability of hydel power but also 205000 MU. increased requirement in agricultural sector.

(b) The overall energy shortages in the (c) During the first three years of the country during the year 1980-81 to 1987-88 Seventh Plan, the capacity addition, as are given below:— against the targets was as under:—

Capacity (MW)

Year Target Achievement

1 2 3

1985-86 4459.5 4223

1986-87 3396.5 2624.5

1987-88 4801.45 4981.44

(d) Various steps have been taken to Use of Sorghum for Energy Purposes increase tha availability of power which in­ cludes expediting commissioning of new 610. SHRI VUAY N. PATH: Will the capacity, implementation of short gestation Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state projects improving the performance of the that: existing power stations, reducing Transmis­ sion and Distribution losses and implemen­ (a) whether Government have experi­ tation of demand management and energy mented with Sorghum for using it as a chief conservation measures. source of sugar and alcohol for energy pur­ 309 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 310 po ses; posed to be scaled up before alcohol pro­ duction from sweet sorghum could be taken (b) if so, the results achieved therefrom; up in selected States. and [Translation] (c) the State identified where use of Sorghum could be utilized for creating cheap STD facility In Rajasthan source of energy? 611. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be VASANT SATHE): (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. Proj­ pleased to state: ects have been undertaken by Department of Non-Conventional Energy Sources to test (a) the names of the districts in Rajast­ different methods of converting the sugars in han which do not have S.T.D. facility; and the stalks of sweet sorghum plants into etha­ nol, to establish practicable and economic (b) the date by which each district is methods, to identify the organisms most likely to be provided S.T.D. facility? qpitable for production of alcohol and to scale up the process of fermentation of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sweet sorghum . The experiments con­ MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI ducted have demonstrated that GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The names of the Districts are: (i) Unsterilized sweet sorghum juice can be fermented with S. cerevisiae 3319 in Banswara, Barmer, Bhilwara, Chittor- open batches without any nutrient supple­ garh, Churu, Dungarpur, Jalore, Jaisalmer, mentation by using simple techniques; Jhalawar, Jhunjhunu, Sikar, Swaimad- hopur, Sirohi, Tonk & Bundi. (ii) A protocol was established for fer­ menting unsterilized juice up to a volume of (b) S.T.D. is likely to beprovided during 2001. per batch; 1909-90.

(iii) Substraticoncentration of 10-12% Setting up A.I.R. Stations In sugar was found suitable for batch fermenta­ Rajasthan tion; 612. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN : (iv) a maximum of 7.6% (v/v) ethanol Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND could be obtained by fermenting juice from BROADCASTING be pleased to state: sweet sorghum (Initial sugar - 12%); (a) the percentage of population of the (v) It should be possible to arrange country being benefited by AIR; state-wise; semi-continuous fermentation of unsteril­ ised juice at the scale of 200 1 batches. (b) the number of radio stations in Ra­ jasthan and their capacity; Two Pilot Plants having a capacity of 15-24 Its./day and 30-35 kg/day using Solar collec­ (c) the names of places in Rajasthan tors have been set up at Nimbkar Agricul­ where proposals to set up radio stations tural Research Institute in Maharashtra. have been approved and the progress made These experiments if successful are pro­ so far in this regard; and 311 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 312

(d) the names of places in Rajasthan FORMATION AND BROADCASTING where radio stations are proposed to be set (SHRI H,K.LBHAGAT): (a) Statement is up during the remaining period of the Sev­ given below: enth Plan and the time by which these would start functioning? (b) At present th 9re are seven radio THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ stations functioning in the State of Rajast­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ han as under:-

1. Jaipur 1 KW MW Transmitter-Channel A

1 KW MW Transmitter (VB/Commercial) Studios

2. Ajmer 200 KW MW Transmitter (For relaying Jaipur Channel A programmes) Receiving Centre

3. Bikaner 10 KW MW Transmitter Type II Studios

4. Jodhpur 100 KW MW Transmitter 1 K W MW Transmitter (VB/Commercial) Type III Studios.

4. Udaipur 10 KW MW Transmitter Type I Studios

5. Suratgarh 20 KW MW Transmitter Type I Studios

6. Kota 1 KW MW Transmitter Multipurpose Studios

(c) and (d). The 7th Five Year Plan of building works at Churu, Banswara, Alwar, AIR provides for the setting up of 10 new Jhalawar, Chittorgarh, Sawai Madhopurand radio stations one each at Banner, Jais- Nagaur are progressing satisfactorily, and almer, Mount Abu, Churu, Bans war a, Afwar subject to the availability of transmitter and Jhalawar, Chittorgarh, Sawai Madhopurand studio equipments as per delivery schedule, Nagaur. All the 7th Plan schemes are at these stations are envisaged to be ready for different stages of implementation. The commissioning during 1989-90. 313 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 314

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Setting up of Solar Energy Plant In Commission is constructing three bridges; Rajasthan (b) if so, the cost of the projects, and 613. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN : Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to (c) the expected Benefits from these state: Bridges?

(a) whether Government propose to set THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE up a Solar Energy Plant of 30 Megawatt MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ capacity in the desert area of Rajasthan; RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) to (c). To meet its operational requirements and also as part of its contribution towards devel­ (b) whether any place out of Nachna, opmental activities in its areas of operation, Mohangarh and Madasar of Jaisalmer Dis­ the oil and Natural Gas Commission is con­ trict is ideal for setting up of solar Energy structing a number of Bridges, of varying Plant; costs, in different parts of the oountry Includ­ ing in Assam, Andhra Pradesh, U.P. etc. (c) whether water can be supplied from Indira Gandhi canal through lift scheme to Broad-banding scheme for electric any of the above places and 100 per cent tans electrification can be done in Jaisalmer dis­ trict which is most backward in this respect; 615. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESH- and WARI : Will the M'nister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state! (d) if so, the time by which solar energy plant will be set up there? (a) wheth?r Union Government have extended the b ^ ad-banding scheme to all THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI types of electric ^aris; VASANT SATHE) : (a) and (b). A project proposal has been received from the State (b) if so, the ‘'orms fixed therefor; and Government of Rajasthan for setting up a 30 MW Solar power plant near Jodhpur. (c) to what extent it will be helpful to the electrical industry ? (c) and (d). The site proposed near Jodhpur appears very suitable. Other sites THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI such as near Jaisalmer could also be suit­ J. VENGAL RAO ) : (a) to (c). The broad- able and additional plants can be set up banding scheme has been extended to there if financial resources are available. cover all types of electrical fans excluding Industrial Fans and Blowers. Broad catego­ [English] risation of products within existing licensed capacity is permitted to enable manufactyi- Construction of Bridges by ONGC ers to achieve optimum utilisation installed capacity through flexibility of operation. 614. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESH- WARI : Will the Minister of PETROLEUM Perspective Plan of IOC AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: 616. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESH- (a) whether the oil and Natural Gas WARI : Will the Minister of PETROLEUM 321 Written Answers KARTIKA 24. 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 322

AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: (c) how it is proposed to get over these difficulties? (a) whether the Indian Oil Corporation has finalised a perspective plan till 2000 THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI A.D.; J. VENGAL RAO ) : (a) 10 (c). As far as Ministry of Industry is concerned, the neces­ (b) if so, what are the projects identified sary approvals for the project including in this plan; extension in the validity of the letter of intent and in the foreign collaboration approvals (c) the estimated investment involved, if have been given from time to time. executed; and The Industrial Development Bank of (d) the total consumption of petroleum India (IDBI) has reported that financial insti­ products in the country in 1987-88 and 1988- tutions have not so far cleared the project of 89 so far? M/s. Haldia Petrochemicals Limited. IDBI has also not received any revised projec­ THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE tions relating to the project from the com­ MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ pany. RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT) : (a) No, Sir. Expansion Programme of telecom Quality Assurance Circle, Karnataka (b) and (c). Do not arise in view of (a) above; 618. SHRI H.B.PATIL: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (b) The total consumption of petroleum products in the country during 1987-88 was ‘(a) whether the proposal submitted by 46.20 million tonnes (provisional). The total the Telecom Quality Assurance Ofcle, Kar­ consumption (provisional) during the period nataka to the Department of Telecommuni­ April, 1988 to September, 1988 was 23.50 cations for expansion programme during million tonnes. 1990-95 has been sanctioned;

Haldla Petrochemical Project (b) if so, the amount sanctioned for the purpose; 617. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MAN- DAL: SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHER- (c) to what extent, it will help the people JEE: of the Karnataka; and

Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (d) the time by which it is likely to be implemented? (a) the progress made so far in the clearance of the Haldia Petrochemical Proj­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ect in West Bengal; MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) the difficulties which are in the way of GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) No, Sir. Union Government in the early clearance of (b) to (d). Do not arise. this project; and 323 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 324

Rise In Prices of DMT and PTA= * THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI * J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (d). The Govern­ 619. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN ) ment has not yet taken a decision on SINHA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be extension of the Central Investment Subsidy pleased to state: Scheme which was valid till 30.9 1988. The Government has taken note of the views (a) whether the prices of DMT and PTA received from the various associations of have risen considerably; industry. I (b) if so, its impact on the prices of Decline In Hydel-Thermal Mix In synthetic detergents to the consumers; and energy System

(c) whether the price hike is justified and 621. SHRI SATYENDRA NAR­ if not, the steps Government propose to take AYAN SINHA: to bring down the prices? SHRI H.B.PATIL:

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO \ : (a) to (c). The DMT and Will the Minister of ENERGY be PTA manufacturers have recently increased pleased to state: their selling prices reportedly due to In­ crease in cost of certain inputs. The situation (a) whether there is a decline in the is being kept under close watch and requisite hydel-thermal mix in the energy system of corrective measures will be taken at the the country as reported in the "Hindustan appropriate time if found necessary. Times" of October 16,1988; * The prices of DMT and PTA have no (b) if so, the efforts proposed to be made bearing on the prices of synthetic deter­ in the next Plan period to increase the share gents. of hydel generation; and

Central Investment Subsidy Scheme (c) whether constraints other than fi­ nance are also reducing hydel power contri­ 620. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN bution to total power generation? SINHA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ (a) whether Government propose to TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) phase out Central Investment Subsidy fol­ : (a) Yes, Sir. lowing the introduction of the growth centre approach; Ob) A number of hydroelectric power projects have been proposed for construc­ (b) if so, the reasons thereof; tion In the Central and State Sectors for benefits in the Eighth Plan. External assis­ (c) whether the views of the associa­ tance is also proposed to be availed of for tions of industry have been obtained in the < hydro-power development in the country. matter; and /

(b) whether Orissa Government has (c) if so, what are the other proposals also urged the Centre to establish satellite pending before the NTPC; station at Bhawanipatna; (d) when these Super Thermal Power (c) if so, the steps taken in the matter; stations are expected to be set up; and and (e) the steps taken by the NTPC in that direction? (d) the date by which the proposals are going to be implemented? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPART.VIFNT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) GIRIDHAR GOMANGO ) : (a) No, Sir. : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. However there is a proposal to link Bolangir with Bargah by a microwave system during 7th Plan period. (c) to (e). The details of the new project proposal for which Feasibility Reports have been prepared by the National Thermal (b) Yes, Sir. Power Corporation are given in the State­ ment below. The proposed projects are (c) A project estimate for installation of envisaged for benefits in the Eighth and a Satellite Earth Station of at Bhawanipatna Ninth Five Year Plan periods. To the extent has been sanctioned. feasible, preparatory work etc. has been initiated by the National Thermal Power (d) Bhawanipatna Earth Station ex­ Corporation at some of the proposed sites. 327 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 328

STATEMENT

Details of the New Project Proposals for which Feasibility Reports have been prepared by NTPC.

SI.No. Project Location Capacity Nature of (MW) capacity addition

1 . Farakka Stage-Ill West Bengal 500 Expansion

2. Rihand Stage-ll Uttar Pradesh 1000 Expansion

3. Vindhyachal Stage-ll Madhya Pradesh 1000 Expansion

4. Additional Transmission System associated with Vindhyachal Stage-I - __

5. Manguru Andhra Pradesh 1000 New Site

6. Dadri Stage-I Gas Project Uttar Pradesh 600 New Site

7. Chandrapur Maharashtra 1000 New Site

8. Yamunanagar Haryana 840 New Site

9. North Karanpura Bihar 1000 New Site • 10. Anta Stage-ll Gas Project Rajasthan 400 Expansion

1 1 . Dadri Stage-ll Gas project Uttar Pradesh 600 Expansion

[Translation] Almora Radio Station as Studio-cum-radio relay centre so as to give extensive coverge Conversion of Almora Air Station to the art and culture of hilly areas of Uttar Into Studio-cum-Radio Relay Centre Pradesh ;and

624. SHRI HARISH RAW AT : Will(b) if so, the details thereof? the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ (a) whether it is proposed to upgrade FORMATION AND BROADCASTING 329 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 330

(SHRI H.K.L.BHAGAT): (a) No, Sir. (d) if so, the district-wise units estab­ lished in these areas during the last three years? (b) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Establishment of Small Scale J. VENGAL RAO ) : (a) and (b). Kadhi and Industrial Units in Hilly Areas Village Industries Commission (KVIC) is concerned with planning, organisation and 625. SHRI HARISH RAWAT : WilWhe implementation of programmes for the de­ Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: velopment of Khadi and Village Industries. Development of Khadi and Villages Industry (a) whether the Khadi and Village In­ Programmes in the Hilly areas of the country dustries Commission has chalked out any forms an integral part of the planning proc­ time-bound comprehensive programme for ess of the Commission, which is discussed the establishment of small scale industrial annually with the respective State Khadi and units in the hilly areas ot the country; Village Industry Boards and Institutions in the Hilly areas of the country. (b) if so, the details thereof;

(c) whetherthe Khadi and Village Indus­ (c) Yes, Sir. tries Commission has contributed in estab­ lishing some new units in hilly areas of Uttar (d) Details information is given in the Pradesh during the last three years; and Statement below:-

STATEMENT

Details of KVI programmes carried out in hill districts of U.P. during the last three years

SI. No. Name of Industry No. of Units sanctioned

85-86 86-87 87-88

1 2 3 4 5

1 . VILLAGE INDUSTRY

0 Beekeeping Industry

i) Medium Scale Units 850 62 30

Semi Commercial Units — — 5

Bee boxes/Honey Extractors to be distributed 860 3250 1620

2. Handmade paper (Nainital) — 1 — Industry 331 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 332

■‘i 2 3 4 5

Katha Industry (Dehradun) — 1 2

Gums and Resigns Industry 34 28 —

Cane and Bamboo Industry — — 543

Fibre Industry *42 *104 *370

- (* Ban machines installed)

Carpentry and Blacksmithy

(Programme allocated to State KVIC Board)

Power home units 500 200 200

Carpentary Home Units 500 300 300

Blacksmithy home Units 500 500 300

Village oil Industry

Nainital * 6 _

Dehradun — 2 —

Tehri Garhwal — 2 —

Biogas (Haldwani) *345 822 479

Non-edible oils and soaps

State aided units _ 5 —

KVIC aided units — 1 —

Cbttage match Industry/ Addition units f Agarbatti units

Almora 3 ' f.r 333 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, T910 (SAKA) Written Answers 334

1 2 v 3 4 5

Pithoragarh —- 4 —

Nainital — 3 —

Pauri Garhwal — 1 — * Chamoli — 1 —

Cottage match Units

Nainital _ 29 __

Processing of cereals and pulses industry

Almora 8 13 7

Chamoli 10 9 8

Dehradun 9 21 16

Nainital 12 16 10

Pithoragarh 9 10 8

Pauri Garhwal 5 13 6

Uttar Kashi 7 12 6

Tehri Garhwal 7 8 5

Haldwani — — 1

Lime Industry

— Nainital _ 59

— Almora — 4

Pithoragarh — 4 2 — Chamoli f 7 — Pauri Garhwal — 335 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 336

1 2 3 4 5

Uttar Kashi — 2 —

Dehradun — 41 —

II Khadi (Woollen)

Bageshwari Charkha _ 300 180

NMC 4 spindle charkha 100 200 180

Improved looms — 17 15

Transmission Losses In D.E.S.U. years 1984-85 and 1985-86.

626. SHRI HARISH RAWAT : Will the (c). The measures taken by DESU to Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state:- reduce T & D losses include extensive raids to check theft of power, installation of im­ (a) the percentage of transmission proved energy meters to prevent fraudulent losses in the Delhi Electric Supply Undertak­ extraction of energy, strengthening of T & D ing during the last three years; systems, formulation and implementation of system improvement schemes, installation (b) whether it is more than the national of capacitors etc. average; and Newsprint Policy and Increase in (c) if so. the steps being taken to reduce Import Duty on Newsprint the transmission losses in D.E.S.U ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 627. SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY : DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) BROADCASTING be pleased to state: : (a) According to the Central Electricity Authority, the Transmission and Distribution (T & D) losses of Delhi Electric Supply (a) Whether there has been a criticism Undertaking (DESU) during the years 1984- by various committees on Newspapers of 85 to 1986-87 are as under:- the recommendation of the Kalker Commit­ tee for increasing the import duty on news­ 1984-85 23.35% print to 40 percent and also against the long term newsprint allocation policy; 1985-86 22.05% (b) if so, the salient features of the 1986-87( Provisional) 17.50% newsprint policy recommended by Kelker Committee; (b) The T & D losses of DESU were more than the national average during the (c) Whether Government propose to 337 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 338 reconsider the aforesaid recommendation tic resource cost. The tariff based policy of the Kelker Committee and not to allow would ensure a move towards this direction increase in the import duty beyond 20 per thus reducing dependence on imports. The cent; and Committee, therefore, recommends a two- steps policy regime, the first being in the (d) if so, by what time and if not, the nature of transition and the second being the reasons therefor? totally control-free tariff based regime.

m THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ Step—I TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ FORMATION AND BROADCASTING Continue the Existing policy for two (SHRI H.K.L.BHAGAT): (a) Some newspa­ more years With following modificationsm per organisations which were members of the Committee have expressed disagree­ i) The Committee is of the view ment about certain recommendations in­ that the indigenously produced cluding the increase in the import duty. They newsprint should be consumed have given dissenting notes which were duly fully and that imports should be incorporated in the report. treated only as a supplementary measure. Therefore, the existing (b) A statement containing recommen­ limit of 300 MTof imported news­ dations of the Kelker Committee is given print supplied to small and me­ below: dium newspapers at nil or re­ duced duty be scaled down to 50 (c). The recommendation relating to MT. This 50 MT of duty free import duty on newsprint is a part of the long imports shall be extended to all term policy to be formulated during the newspapers irrespective of the Eighth Five Year Plan. size of circulation/ Any newspa­ per requiring over and above 50 (d) Does not arise. MT, shall be subject to the in­ digenous and imported ratio. STATEMENT In recommending this measure, RECOMMENDATIONS OF THEKELKAR the Committee has taken note of COMMITTEE the fact that 50 MT would cover all small newspapers whose It is in the long-term interest of the average circulation is 5500 cop-* country’s media industry to move away from ies, assuming 4 standard pages. a highly regulatory policy regime which is Therefore, the interests of the characterised by quantitative allocations, small papers will not be affected. individual retention pricing and import re­ This may also help curb the strictions, towards a more liberalised regime phenomenon of non-lifting of based on tariffs and market determined domestic newsprint. price. The Committee is convinced that import substitution strategy based on ii) Any consumption of reject bagasse route is efficient in terms of domes­ newsprint by the newspapers *The member representing All India Small & Medium Newspaper Association Federation did not agree with this recommendation and desired the duty-free import limit to be raised to 100 MT. The representative from ILNA desired the limit to be raised to 200 MT. 339 Written Answers NQVEMBER 15,-1988 Written Answers 340

over and above their newsprint iv) Glaze newsprint imports should allocation quota may be consid­ be taken out of the allocatory ered for excise duty exemption. regime. Imports of glaze news­ This may help the newsprint print should be permitted on mills to sell reject newsprint to OGL with 55% tariff* parties not covered under RNI v) The following norms may be allocations. adopted for wastage compensa­ iii) New Newspapers or existing tion: newspapers applying for news­ All newspapers print for the first time, may be 7 per cent given an initial quota of news­ print, for 6 months only (instead Magazines with multi-colour of the existing one year) subject Printing requirement to the ceiling provided in the additional 1% policy for 1986-88. Of this initial Stitched magazines for trimming quota, maximum of 5 MT may be additional 3% from imported newsprint, while the rest shall be met from indige­ vi) The norms for unsold copies and nous sources only. copies distributed free may be revised as under: Circulation (Sold Copies) (Whichever is less)

Upto 25,000 copies 5% or 1000 copies

Above 25,000 and Upto 75,000 copies 5% or 2500 copies

Above 75,000 copies 5% or 5000 copies

vii) Newspapers be reclassified as

Category Circulation per publishing day

Small upto 25,000 copies

Medium Above 25,000 & upto 75,000 copies

Big Above 75,000 copies 1

viii) Once the entitlement are de­ % servicing of newsprint be cided by the RNI, backlog in avoided.

'Members representing ILNA and INS (in their dissent note) did not agree witfr this tariff rate. Mr. Gupta of ILNA felt that it would hurt small and medium magazines'printed on glazed newsprint. He desired duty-free import of glazed newsprint. 341 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 342

STEP-II ensure import substitution.

THE LOND-TERM POLICY iv) To promote more efficient use of FRAMEWORK domestic resource use for news­ print production, all future ex- i) The Long-Term Policy should be pdtfsion should be based on to move away from the admini­ renewable resource use, ensur­ stered pricing and quantitative 6 ing to the domestic producers an allocation policy regime by intro­ effective rate of protection not ducing an OGL import facility to exceeding 40%. Consequently, all newspapers with a tariff rate the current duty exemption on of 40% with decanalisation. * imported pulp would have to be Tariff may be calibrated with reviewed. variation in cif price every year. This policy framework should v) Individual retention price for coincide with the first year of the domestic units to be abolished. Eighth Plan. Market-related pricing e.g. tariff adjusted CIF price should deter­ ii) Small and medium newspapers mine the market price for domes­ to be allowed to import newsprint tic newsprint. under RNI certification upto a maximum of 50 MT tariff free vi) A separate package of incen­ through STC. This policy of 50 tives should simultaneously be MT duty free supply to small and announced for sugar mills to medium newspapers would invest in bagasse-based pulp imply partial continuation of alio- mills; there are catory system . If Govt, can find some other mechanism by a) Total exemption from sugar which small newspapers requir­ levy for five years from the ing upto 50 MT are met either date of commencement of from imports of from domestic pulp production. mills (at tariff adjusted CIF prices) without having to operate b) Investment decisions for 3 the partial allocatory mecha­ bagasse based plants of nism, the committee would rec­ 1 ,00,000 tonne capacity to be ommend this option. Hence the taken in the next two years Committee recommends .that and implemented by mid 8th the Govt, may review the work­ plan. Possible locations in UP, ing of proposed partial allocatory Punjab and Maharashtra. system after 2 years. If the domestic and C F price differen­ vii) Board handing policy is recom­ tial falls below 25% the partial mended to permit paper mills to allocation may be discarded. diversify into newsprint produc­ tion on the condition that they iii) Glazed newsprint to continue cn use bagasse route pulp atleast OGL with 55% tariff in order to upto 75%.

The members representing INS desired this tariff rate to bo 20% instead of 40%. 343 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 344

viii) Continuation of excise duty ex­ 13 September, 1988; emption on newsprint. When­ ever newsprint is substituted by (b) if so, whether the European Eco­ white printing paper, a mecha­ nomic Community has offered several nism should be devised to allow schemes for conservation of energy; and excise exemption on par with newsprint. , (c) if so, the details of such schemes and government’s reaction thereon? ix) A package of incentives to be given to those newsprint produc­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ing units who use bagasse pulp DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ to the extent of 70%. These in­ TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) centives would have to be in the : (a) Yes, Sir. nature of import duty exemption on consumables and mainte­ (b) The European Economic Commu­ nance spares. For CG, test & nity has offered to occuperate with India control instrumentation equip­ India in setting up an Energy Management ment the import duty should not Centre and in conducting a pilot Energy Bus exceed 30% for all newsprint Programme. units. (c) The Energy Management Centre x) The Ministry of I & B should envisages training, exchange of research approach ICAR to explore the results, joint study programmes, exchange potential of kenaf (Hibicus Can­ of experts, establishment of a Data Centre, nabis) as an alternate source of etc. The pilot energy bus programme envis­ fibre for production of pulp and ages energy audits in small/medium sized paper products. The earlier pilot industries. The Government has already project undertaken by ICAR and conveyed its interest in these schemes to the CPPRI, Dehradun in 1984 EEC. should be reviewed in order to provide the feedback for deter­ Setting up of Growth Centres In mining the potential of this alter­ Backward Areas nate source. 629. SHRI BANWARI LAL PURO­ [English] HIT: SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: Schemes Offered by European SHRI S.B.SIDNAL : Economic Community for Conservation of Energy Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: 628. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT : Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to (a) whether Government’s programme state: for setting up growth centres already identi­ fied in the backward areas of the c o u n t r y has (a) whether attention of Government been finalised; has been drawn to the press report cap­ tioned “EEC offers schemes to conserve (b) if so, the details there of and it not, energy" appearing in ‘the Indian Post’ dated the reasons therefor; and 345 Written Answers KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 346

(c) when Government propose to iden­ Electricity Boards and the private, utilities tify more places for setting up growth centres was set upto examine, in detail the question in the country? of encouraging private sector participation in power generation. The matter is receiving THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI consideration of the Government. J.VENGAL RAO): (a) to (c). Presumably the Hon'ble Members are referring to the Supply of LPG in North West Government's announcement in June, 1988 Region regarding setting up of 100 growth centres all over the country. A high level Committee 631. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT : has been constituted to evolve the criteria for Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND selection of growth centres. The growth NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: Centres will be identified in consultation with the State Governments concerned. (a) whether Government are aware that the supply of LPG in North-West parts of the Setting up of Power Projects in country is abnormal and consumers have to Private Sector wait for months together to get refills;

630. SHRI BANWARI LAL PURO- (b) if so, whether any steps have been HIT : taken to bring normalcy in supply of LPG SHRI K.S. RAO: refills; and

Will the Minister of ENERGY be . (c) if so, the details thereof? pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) whether several leading industrial MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ groups and Non-Resident Indians have RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) to (c). shown interest in setting up of power proj­ A backlog in supply of LPG refills had devel­ ects in the private sector; oped during recent months in certain areas in the North-West region of the country ow­ (b) if so, the details thereof; ing to breakdown of road traffic on account of heavy rains and floods leading to disruption (c) whether Government have since of product movement. With the measures considered the suggestions of private sector already initiated, the situation has since to set up power plants in the country ; and considerably improved. The supply position is being closely monitored by the oil industry ^ (d) if so, the details thereof? with a view to ensuring regular LPG supplies to consumers in this region. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ Delineation and Reservoir Engi­ TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) neering Studies in Cauvery and Krishna (a) and (b). While some parties have Godavari Basins evinced interest in the setting up of power plants, including with NRI participation, no 632. SHRI S.B.SIDNAL: Will the Minis­ detailed proposal has been received so far. ter of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: i (c) and (d). A Working Group compris­ ing, inter alia, representatives of the State (a) whether in view of the recent spate of 347 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1980 Written Answers 348

oil and gas discoveries in the Cauvery and reservoir. Krishna -Godavari basins the Oil and Natu­ ral Gas Commission has drawn up loans for — to ascartain the petrophysical delineation and reservoir engineering stud­ and reservoir properties for re­ ies; serve estimation.

(b) if so, the main objective of the same — to asses the well production and to what extent will be beneficial.; and capabilities.

(c) the plans being considered in this — to evaluate reservoir potential. regard? — to formulate techno-economi­ THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE cally viable field development MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ plans and recovery optimisation. RAL GAS (SyHRI BRAHM DUTT) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir"The objectives are : These studies will enable pro­ % * duction from the finds/discover­ — to find out the aerial extent of the f ies with optimized exploration hydrocarbon bearing structure^ indices.

— to ascertain the thickness ind (c) The plans for delineation/develop­ limit of hydrocarbon bearing ment are as follows:

I Delineation plan available and under implementation: Krishna-Godavari basin 10 prospects

Cauvery basin 3 prospects

II. Delineation /development drilling and reservoir evaluation with Early Production System:

Krishna-Godavari basin 1

Cauvery basin 3

The reservoir engineering evaluation will be carried out after total delineation and reservoir evaluation with Early Production System

Telecast of Kannada Films by Banga­ Saturdays by Bangalore Doordarshan; lore Doordarshan (b) whether Government propose to constitute a Committee of well-known Kan­ 633. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER : Will nada writers and artists to select Kannada the Minister of INFORMATION AND films for telecast by the Bangalore Doord­ BROADCASTING be pleased to state: arshan Kendra; and

(a) whether there has been criticism (c) if so, the detailslhereof and If not, the about the quality of Kannada films shown on reasons therefor? 349 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 350

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ pleased to state whether Government pro­ TARY AFFAIRS AND THE MINISTER OF posed to release a Commemorative Stamp INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING on famous Kannada litterateur, Dr. (SHRI H.K.L.BHAGAT): (a) There has been B.M.Srikantaiah on the occasion of his birth some criticism about the quality of Kannada centenary next year? feature films telecast by Doordarshan Ken­ dra, Bangalore. Such criticism is THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE unavoidable since Doordarshan has to se­ MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI lect films for telecast out of the limited offers GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): At present there is made by the Producers. The producers are no such proposal. not coming forward to offer new and popular Kannada feature films for local telecast from Setting up of A.I.R. Stations Hassan, Doordarshan Kendra, Bangalore. Chitradurga and Hospet, Karnataka

(b) and (c). A Committee comprising the 636. SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER : Will Kendra’s officers and other local media offi­ the Minister of INFORMATION AND cers is already existing. There is no proposal BROADCASTING be pleased to state: to change this Committee at present. (a) whether there are no A.I.R stations Assistance by Public Sector Coal at Hassan, Chitradurga and Hospet in Kar­ Companies In Bangalore City nataka; and

634. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER : Will (h) if so, the steps taken to set up A.I.R. the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: stations at these places and the time by which A.I.R., stations will'be Set up at these (a) the names of the public sector coal places? companies which have given assistance from their welfare funds to rain affected people in Bangalore City; and THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ (b) the amount given by each company FORMATION AND BROADCASTING and the number of persons benefited? (SHRI H.K.L.BHAGAT): (a) Yes, Sir.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) There is proposal in the VII Plan of All DEPARTMENT OF COAL IN THE MINIS­ India Radio to establish radio stations at TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI C.K.JAFFAR Hassan, Chitradurga and Hospet in Karna­ SHARIEF) : (a) and (b). "Considering the taka State. Civil works at all the three places damages caused by the rains in Bangalore, are at advanced stages of completion. coal companies of ECL and WCL have given Transmitter and studio equipments have assistance by way of materials like bam­ been ordered in 1986. Subject to availability boos, bricks, ropes,asbestos, etc, which of transmitter and studio equipments, based benefited about 2,800 families.” on delivery schedule, the stations are envis­ aged to be commissioned in 1989-90. Commemorative Stamp on Dr. B.M. Sreekantaiah Production of Penicillin

635. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER : Will 637. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be SIN G H : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be 351 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 352

p leased to state the production of penicillin J. VENGAL RAO ): Details of production of during the last three years, year -wise. penicillin in various forms reported during THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI the last three years are given below:- Production (A/C unit. MMU)

Name of Unit 1985-86 1986-87 1987-88

I.D.P.L. 32.40 33.00 44.30

H.A.L. 73.81 74.96 82.00

Alembic Chemicals 91.47 91.84 86.10

Standard pharma 71.43 66.85 92.43

Appointment of Local People in No Industry Districts In Maharash- Doordarshan Kendra, Bangalore tra

639. SHRI R.M.BHOYE: Will the Minis­ 638. SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO : Will the ter of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD­ CASTING be pleased to state: (a) the names of the 'No Industry Dis­ tricts' in Maharashtra ; and (a) whether it is a fact that outsiders get a lion's share in the appointment in Banga­ (b) the Schemes implemented for set­ lore Doordarshan Kendra; ting up industries in these districts, together with the details of future programme in this regard? (b) whether Government have received any representations for the appointment of THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI local people in Bangalore Kendra; and J. VENGAL RAO): (a) Gadchiroli has been declared as No Industry district in the State (c) if so, the steps taken in this regard? of Maharashtra.

(b) Industrialisation of specific district/ THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ area is primarily the responsibility of the TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ State Government concerned . The Central FORMATION AND BROADCASTING Government supplements their efforts by (SHRI H.K.L.BHAGAT) : (a) to (c). Repre­ providing various incentives and conces­ sentations have been received for appoint­ sions such as Central Investment subsidy, ment of Kannadi gas against various posts in Concessional finance facilities, priority in Doordarshan Kendra, Bangalore, Appoint- grant of licences, tax concessions etc. Six ' ment to various posts is done strictly on the Letters of Intent have been issued to Gadchi­ basis of Recruitment Rules which do not roli District during the years 1985-88 (upto provide for any reservation on the basis of August, 88), Further the Central Govern­ region. ment has released first instalment of Rs. 26 353 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 354

lakhs as assistance for development of in­ reasons for such power failures, power cuts frastructural facilities at Kotgal-Navegoan and load sheddings; and Complex. (c) the measure taken proposed to be Power Cuts In Delhi taken to check such power failure/cuts and load sheddings in future?

640. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHARY : Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ (a) whether there have been big power TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) failure, power cuts and load sheddings in : (a) and (b). The power supply position Delhi during July to September 1988; during the period July to September, 1988 has been by and large, satisfactory as would (b) if so. the details thereof and the be evident from the Table given below:-

(All figures in net MU/day)

Month Requirement Availability Shortage

July, 1988 20.7 20.7

August, 1988 20.1 20.0 0.1

September, 1988 20.9 20.9

(c). To augment the supply of electricity in Delhi, steps have been taken to improve (a) the number of programmes broad­ the performance of the Indra Prastha and cast the telecast from All India Radio Sta­ Dadarpur Power Stations, strengthening the tions and T.V. Centres in Delhi, Punjab, transmission and distribution system in Haryana and U*tar Pradesh on Communal Delhi and setting up of 135 MW capacity at harmony, measures for fighting Urdu during Rajghat Power Station, which will be November-December 1987 and January commissioned in 1989. September 1988, Station/Centre-wise ; and In addition, the National Capital Power Project of 840 MW is also being set up to (b) the total time spent on these broad meet the long-term power requirements of casts/telecasts language-wise? Delhi. The gas based power nation at Dadri with a capacity of 600 MW from which some THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ electricity would be available for Delhi is also TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ envisaged. FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI H.K.L.BHAGAT): (a) and (b). State­ TV/AIr programmes for Communal ment I and II showing the the number of Harmony programmes broadcastAelecast All India Radio and Doordarshan and their duration 641. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHARY: Will from the centres in Delhi, Punjab, Haryana the Minister of INFORMATION AND and Uttar Pradesh on communal harmony BROADCASTING be pleased to state: etc. are given below:- 355 STATEMENT I

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Delivery of Postal Dak In Nolda Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: q42. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY: Will the Minister of CMMUNICATIONS be (a) the areas within each State where pleased to state: transmission losses have been found to be high; (a) whether Government are aware that the postal dak is not delivered regularly and (b) the energy loss per year and its daily in many Sectors in NOIDA; monetary value; and

(b) if so, the steps taken to get the dak (c) the steps contemplated to reduce it? delivered regularly and daily in NOIDA; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) whether the staff in NOIDA Post DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ Office is inadequate to codo with the present TRY OF ENERGY(SHRI KALP NATHRAI): workload; (a) The high transmission and distribution losses in the country are primarily due to the (d) if so, the steps taken in this regard; following factors:- and (i) Weak and inadequate sub­ (e) whether a separate delivery zone is transmission and distribution proposed to be set up at NOIDA ; and if not, systems. the reasons therefor? • (ii) Low power factor operation due THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to inadequate reactive compen­ MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHRI sation in the system. GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Some problem was faced due to inadequate staff to main­ (iii) Lengthy transmission and distri­ tain fully satisfactory arrangements for deliv­ bution lines. ery of mails in NOIDA. (iv) Large scale rural electrification (b) All-out efforts, including diversion of programme undertaken in the man-power from other offices, have been country resulting in long rural made to improve arrangements for delivery lines and low power factor in of mails in NOIDA. Additional staff for Noida many areas. Complex Post Office has since been sanc­ tioned. (v) Too many transform ation stages, resulting in higher com­ (c) and (d). The staff in existing Noida ponent of transformer losses. Post Office being inadequat to cope with the present workload which is rapidly increas­ (vi) Pilferage and theft of energy. ing, sanction has been issued for additional posts On 10.10.1988. (vii) Improper load management, resulting in over-loading of sys­ (e) Yes, Sir. Sanction has been issued tems. on 2.11 .88 for a new Delivery Sub-Offices to be located in Sector 37 of Noida. (viii) Unmetered supply.

Transmission Losses In States (ix) Financial constraints to under­ * take system improvement 9 643. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: schemes and to provide the SHRI B.L. SHAILESH: required administrative machin­ 367 Written Answers' NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 360

e ry to check theft and pilferage of State and Inter-Regbnal transmission lines energy.^ has given impetus for evolution of a Natbnal i Power Grid. The possibility of ultimately (b). The all India average of losses is having to create a separate organisation at reported to be of the order of 21.50% in the National level to operate the Extra High 1987-88. It may not be possible to assign a Voltage Lines for transmissbn of power from monetary value to it due to different tariff one State/region to another, cannot be ruled structure in various States and different unit out. The matter, however, requires an in- cost of generation. depth analysis of all aspects of the problem, including set up of the proposed organisa­ (c) The State Electricity Boards have tion. Such a national grid would facilitate been advised to identify the elements re­ optimal utilisation of existing generation sponsible for excessive losses and to pre­ facilities, permit emergency power transfer pare schemes for strengthening of transmis­ from one region to another with adequate sion and distribution systems, relocation of margin of reliability and will permit optimal sub-stations closer to the bad centres, etc. sharing of available resources. Most of the State Electricity Boards/Electric­ ity Departments have initiated studies for Setting up of T.V. Centre at Phulbani, identifying the areas of high losses. After Orissa these areas are identified, the SEBs would prepare system improvement schemes for 645. SHRI BRAJA MOHAN MO- implementation in a phased manner for HANTY: Will the Minister of INFORMATION reduction of transmissbn and distribution AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: bsses. (a) whether the proposal to set up a TV To detect theft of energy, Electricity centre at Phulbani, the tribal district of Orissa Boards have set up vigilance squads to has been deferred from time to time, if so, the conduct surprise raids. The Indian Electricity reasons thereof; Act. 1910 has been amended to make theft of energy a cognizable offence. The Govern­ (b) if not, whether any priority will be ment of India have also introduced an Incen­ given for installation of TV centre at Phul­ tive Scheme for reduction of losses. bani, if so, the details in this regard?

Introduction of Integrated Power Grid THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ 644. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: Will the FORMATION AND BROADCASTING Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) and (b). In ac- cerdance with the Annual Action Plan ap­ (a) the progress made in regard to intro­ proved by the Government in respect of duction of integrated power grid in the coun­ Doordarshan, the proposed low power TV try; transmitter at Phulbani is envisaged to be commissioned into service during 1988-89. (b) its effect on conservation of power Necessary arrangements have been made and better transmission of power to deficient to ensure that tha target fixed for the purpose areas; and is met with. (c) when it is going to be implemented? Opening of Branch Post Offices and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Upgradation of Post Offices In Purl THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE District, Orissa MINISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): (a) to (c). The continued aug­ 646. SHRI BRAJA MOHAN MO- mentation and strengthening of the Inter- HANTY: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- 369 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 370

TIONS be pleased to state: will be opened/upgraded and if so when.

(a) whether there are cases of opening Central Assistance to Tamil Nadu State of branch post offices and upgradation of Electricity Board post offices in Puri district of Orissa which have been sanctioned but not implemented 647. SHRI P.R.S. VENKATESAN: Will so far and If so, the details thereof; the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state:

(b) whether all the sanctioned cases (a) the Central financial assistance would be implemented by the end of 1988; sanctioned to the Tamil Nadu State Electric­ and ity Board during the last three years, year- wise; and (c) if not, the reasons therefor? (b) the details of Central assistance THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE proposed to be given during 1988-89? MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. Post­ master General, Orissa Circle had sanc­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tioned one branch post office for Saradhapur DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ during 1983-84 and another for Berhampur TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): during 1984-85. Similarly, the proposals for (a) and (b). Central Assistance is provided to upgrading of Balugaon, Khalisahi and Man- the State in block according to the modified ikguda branch offices were sanctioned dur­ Gadgil formula and is not related to any ing 1983-84. These sanctions could not be particular sector/project of the State. How­ given effect to on account of the ban on ever, central loan assistance has been sanc­ creation of posts. tioned to the Tamil Nadu Electricity Board for the centrally sponsored Renovation and (b) and (c). Since all these cases are to Modernisation Programme and construction be re-sanctioned with the approval of Minis­ of Inter-State Transmission Lines. The try of Finance, it cannot be stated at this amounts released during the last three years stage whether the concerned post offices and proposed for 1988-89 are as under:-

(Rs. lakhs)

1985-86 1986-87 1987-88 1988-89

R & M Programme 891.27 993.35 425.69 893.54

Inter-State Transmission Lines 8.28 21.86 7.27 3.00

899.55 1015.21 432.96 896.54

T.V. Relay Centres in Tamil Nadu (b) whether t h G r e is a great demand to set up more T.V. relay centres in Tamil 648. SHRI P.R.S. VENKATESAN: Will Nadu; the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: (c) whether any representation from Tamil Nadu Government or from the Public (a) the number of T.V. relay centres set have been received in this regard; and up in Tamil Nadu and the total area and population covered so far; (d) if so, the action taken by Govern­ 371 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 372

ment thereon and the number and the loca­ during the remaining period of the Seventh tion of new T. V. relay centres likely to be set Plan? up in Tamil Nadu during 1988-89? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) The Oil FORMATION AND BROADCASTING Industry was marketing LPG in 11 2 locations (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGA>T): (a) Three high in Tamil Nadu as on 31.3.1988; power (including one for Second Channel service in Madras) and eight low power TV (b) and (c). The Oil Industry is normally transmitters are, at present, functioning in taking up, in a phased manner, locations in Tamil Nadu. These transmitters as also the country with a population of 20,000 and some of those functioning in the neighbour­ above (as per 1981 census) which offer ing States provide service tG approximately sufficient potential for viable marketing of 86.5% area as well as population of the LPG. State. (d) Marketing plans for LPG distribution (b) and (c). Requests to this effect have are drawn up by the Oil Industry on annual been received from time to time from differ­ basis. Upto the Marketing Plan 1988-89, Oil ent quarters. Companies have planned to set up 41 more LPG distributorships in various towns and (d) The schemes for the establishment cities of Tamil Nadu. of a high power TV transmitter at Ramesh- waram, a low power TV transmitter each at Setting up of Telephone Exchanges In Cuddalore and Tirunelveli and a TV trans­ South Arcot District, Tamil Nadu poser each at Courtelam and Udagaman- dalam in Tamil Nadu are under implementa­ 650. SHRI P.R.S. VENKATESAN: Will tion as part of the Seventh Plan. Except for the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be the high power transmitter at Ramesh- pleased to state: waram, all these projects are expected to be commissioned into service during the re­ (a) whether there is any proposal to set maining period of the Seventh Plan. up electronic telephone exchanges in some towns of South Arcot of Tamil Nadu; and LPG Facility In Tamil Nadu (b) if so, the location where these ex­ 649. SHRI P.R.S. VENKATESAN: Will changes are proposed to be set up and the the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU­ time by which these will be set up? RAL GAS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the number of towns and cities in MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Tamil Nadu covered by the LPG facility as on GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) and (b). Yes, March, 1988; Sir. (i) Cuddalore 400 line NEAX S-61 is planned for the year 1988-89. (ii) Thiyagur- (b) the criteria adopted to allot LPG gam a Mini ILT 64 Port exchange is planned agency in a town; for 1988-89.

(c) whether there are many towns still Setting up of Thermal Power Plants not covered by this facility in the country, and Super Thermal Power Plants particularly in Tamil Nadu; and 651. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: (d) if so, the number of cities in Tamil Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to Nadu likely to be covered by LPG facility state: 3 73 Writtnn Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 374

(a) the number of thermal power plants/ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE super thermal power plants originally DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ planned to be set up during the Seventh Plan TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): period; (a) to (c). Forty-eight thermal schemes of a total capacity of 15999 MW were originally (b) the sites selected therefor; and planned to be set up during the Seventh Plan period. The relevant information in respect (c) the steps taken to implement those of these stations is contained in the State­ projects? ment given below. 375 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15.1988 Written Answers 376

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Industrial Growth Rata [ Translation] 652. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: Will the Minister of Industry be pleased to Pollution caused in Ranlganj-Jharla state: Coal Belt

(a) whether there is a need to step up 653. SHRI YOGESHWAR PRASAD country’s industrial growth rate; YOGESH: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (b) if so, the steps proposed to be taken by Government in that direction; (a) the rate at which the environmental pollution is increasing every year due to coal mining in Raniganj-Jharia coal belt; (c) whether Government have identified various problems that are regarding the (b) the number of employees affected industrial growth; from such pollution in each mine; and

(d) if so, the details thereof; and (c) the steps taken by Government to # check this increasing pollution and protect (e) the steps taken to overcome these the affected employees and the result problems? thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI DEPARTMENT OF COAL IN THE MINIS­ J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (e). On the basis of TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI C.K. JAFFAR Index of Industrial Production compiled by SHARIEF): (a) to (c). Coal mining operations C.S.O., the rate of industrial growth which do have an impact on environmental in was 9.2 per cent in 1986-87, 7.6 per cent in general resulting in pollution of air and water. 1987-88 has gone upto 12.7 per cent in the Areas like Raniganj and Jharia coalfields first quarter of 1988-89. It has been the where coal is being mined for many long constant endeavour of the Government to years have suffered from environmental step-up country’s industrial rate of growth pollution. within the available resources and con­ straints. Government have been relaxing controls wherever feasible to promote rapid The Central Mine Planning & Design industrial growth. With this end in view, Institute Ltd., have initiated studies for deter­ Government have announced from time to mination of ambient air and water quality in time, a number of measures to liberalise the a number of projects in these coalfields. scheme of industrial licencing, which include Individual Enviornmental Management delicensing and broadbanding in a number Plans for a number of projects have also of industries, re-endorsements of capacity been prepared which provide for various with reference to past production, minimum enviornmental control measures. The Envi­ economic scales of operations in respect of ronmental Management Plans are scrutini­ certain industries, introduction of a new sed by an Expert Committee of tho Ministry scheme for encouraging maximisation of of Environment & Forests. New projects are production from existing installed capacity, sanctioned only after the Environmental exemption under MRTP Act to a number of Management Plans have been cleared by industries, induction of modern technology that Department. Environmental Planning and encouraging foreign, financial and tech­ Groups consisting of experts have also been nical collaboration etc. These measures are set up for Jharia and Raniganj coalfields. further supplemented by suitable changes in The measures initiated will ensure adequate fiscal & trade policies. safeguards against enviornmental pollution. 391 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written A nsw rs 392

Drying up of Wells and Tanks near Coal the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: Fields ■ i (a) the rates of electricity per unit in 654. SHRI YOGESHWAR PRASAD Union Territories, Maharashtra, West Ben­ YOGESH: Will the Minister of ENERGY be gal, Kerala, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and Rajast­ pleased to state: han;

(a) the number of wells and tanks which (b) whether the rates have been fixed on have dried up in the villages near the co­ slab system; and alfields as a result of mining activities; (c) if so, the details of the system for (b) the numb 9r of villages which are charging electricity for ordinary consumers facing drinking water problem both for the and industrialists? people and the cattle as result thereof; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the steps being taken to provide DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ drinking water facility to the people and the TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): cattle of these villages? (a) The average rate of electricity in these * States and the Union Territories is given in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Statement below. DEPARTMENT OF COAL IN THE MINIS­ TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI C.K: JAFFAR (b) Slab system for fixing electricity tariff SHARIEF): (a) Government has no informa­ is in vogue in some of the States/Union tion that any village wells or tanks near Territories. coalfields have dried up as a result of coal mining operations. (c) A system of single part tariff with inverted block rales is prevalent in most of (b) and (c). Does not arise. the States for domestic consumers. How­ ever, only Bihar, Gujarat, Meghalaya and [English] West Bengal follow the block rate tariff sys­ tem in respect of small and medium indus­ Electricity Rates In Various States tries. The States of Bihar, Gujarat, Kerala, Meghalaya and Delhi have this system for 655. SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS: Will large industry. 393 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 394

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Ex pansion of Telephone Exchanges Jn (e) how long it will take to clear the Mavelikara, Chengarmur, Kayamkulam waiting list? and Thlruvalla THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 656. SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS: Will MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. pleased to state: (b) The information is given in the State­ (a) whether Government have received ment below. any representations to expand the tele­ phone exchanges in Mavelikara, Chengan- (c) The reasons for delay in giving new nur, Kayamkulam and Thiruvalla and other telephone connections are:- small telephone exchanges in Mavelikara Parliamentary Constituency; (1) limited availability of automatic exchange equipment. (b) if so, the steps taken for developing the telephone exchanges in that area; (2) constraints on financial re­ sources. (c) the reasons for delay .in giving tele­ phone connections to thosQ who applied and (d) Yes, Sir. deposited the required money at these places; (e) The existing waiting list is proposed (d) whether Government contemplate to be cleared progressively during 7th and any new scheme for giving connections 8th Plan subject to availability of equipment without much delay; and and resources.

STATEMENT

Steps planned for Development of TEs in Mavelikkara Parliamentary Constituency

SI. No. Name of Station Steps proposed for development

1 2 3

1. Mavelikkara-MAX-ll (i) Expansion from 600-800 lines

(ii) 1 K RLU from Chengannur E-10-B.

2. Mannar 400 line Expansion 400 to 600 in 1988-89 (commissioned) NEAX

3. Pandartam MAX-II Expansion 300 to 400 lines in 88-89 (commissioned)

4. Kumbanad MAX-II Expansion 200 to 600 lines

5. Thiruvalla MAX-II 3000 ICP exchange in 1991-92 3000-4000 exchange in 1992-93

6. Kayamkulam MAX-II 2000 ICP exchange in 92-93.

7. Chengannur MAX-II 4000 E-10 B exchange in 92-93. 399 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15.1988 Written Answers 4bo

Extra Departmental Employees the generating cost into account State-wise; and 657. SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (d) how do the bsses of Maharashtra pleased to state the number of extra depart­ and Kerala compare and if there is differ­ mental empbyees in the P & T Department? ence, the specifb reasons thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): The informatbn is TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): being collected and will be laid on the Table (a) Yes, Sir. of the House. (b) The Committee has suggested that Development of A.I.R. Station Calicut, the Electrbity Supply Organisations should Kerala take up system studies to prepare short­ term and long-term plans for the strengthen­ 658. SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS: Will ing and improvement of their sub-transmis- the Minister of INFORMATION AND sbn and distributbn systems and should BROADCASTING be pleased to state: implement these plans in a phased manner. The Committee has also suggested im­ (a) whether there is any proposal to provement in the energy accounting proce­ develop the Calicut Radb Statbn; and dure and amendment to the Indian Electric­ ity Act, 1910 by the State Governments, in its (b) if so, the details thereof? application to their States by incorporating specifb provisbns regarding "Summary THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ Trial", setting up of special/mobile courts, TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ widening the provisbns relating to “com­ FORMATION AND BROADCASTING plaint’ and establishing a proper machinery (SHRI H.K.L. B HAG AT): (a) and (b). There is for the assessment and recovery of revenue a proposal in the Seventh Plan of All India bsses. etc. Radio to replace the existing 10 KW MW Transmitter which is quite old by a new 10 As recommended by the Committee, KW MW Transmitter at Calbut. the Electrbity Supply Organisatbns have been advised to carry out system studies Transmission and Distribution Losses and formulate system improvement in Maharashtra and Kerala schemes for implementation in a phased manner. This work has already been initi­ 659. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will the ated by the Electrbity Boards/Electrbity Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: Departments. Most of the State Electrbity Boards/Electrbity Departments have set up (a) whether a Committee consisting of vigilance squads to ccmduct surprise raids of representatives from the Central Electricity varbus consumer installations to check pil­ Authority and State Electricity Boards was ferage of energy, etc. set up to go into the problems of high trans ^ mission and distributbn losses in the coun­ try; (c) The transmission and distributbn bsses vary from State to State, the All India (b) if so, what are its recommendations average for 1987-88 being 21.50%. State- and State-wise, folbw-up action and result wise details are given in the Statement be­ thereof; low. As the generation costs and tariffs are different for different systems, it is not pos­ (c) the value of the losses after taking sible to assign a value to the bsses. 401 Written Answers KARXIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 402

(d) The transmission and distribution lines and low power factor in losses in respect of Maharashtra and Kerala many areas. in 1987-88 were of the order of 14.3% and 21.32% respectively. The following factors (y) Too many transform ation are responsible for high transmission losses stages, resulting in higher com­ in States: ponent of transformer losses.

(i) Weak and inadequate sub­ (vi) Pilferage and theft of energy. transmission and distribution systems. (vii) Improper load management, resulting in over-loading of sys­ (ii) Low power factor operation due tems. to inadequate reactive compen­ sation in the system. (viii) Unmetered supply.

(iii) Lengthy transmission and distri­ (ix) Financial constraints to under­ bution lines. take system improvement schemes and to provide the (iv) Large scale rural electrification required administrative machin­ programme undertaken in the ery to check theft and pilferage of country resulting in long rural energy.

STATEMENT

Percentage Transformation, Transmission <£ Distribution Losses (including comml. Losses) in State Electricity Boards/Electricity Department during the year 1987-88

Region State Electricity Percentage T& D losses Board/Department durinp 1987-88

1 2 3

1. Haryana 25.43

2. Himachal Pradesh 21.55

3. Jammu & Kashmir Not Available

4. Punjab r 18.39

5. Rajasthan 21.00

6. Uttar Pradesh 26.82

7. Chandigarh 17.85

8. Delhi Not Available m 1. Gujarat 23.50

2. Madhya Pradesh 20.54 403 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Written Answers 404

1 2 3 ' 3. Maharashtra 14.32

4. Goa 24.56

5. Dadra & Nagar Haveli 17.74

6. Daman & Diu 20.66

EASTERN REGION 1. Bihar Not Available

2. Orissa 23.30

3. Sikkim 23.92

4. West Bengal 21.24

5. A & N Islands 17.19

SOUTHERN REGION 1 . Andhra Pradesh 20.19

2. Karnataka 21.00

3. Kerala 21.30

4. Tamil Nadu 18.55

5. Lakshadweep 12.82

6. Pondicherry 20.21

NORTH-EASTERN 1. Assam 20.09

REGION 2. Manipur 27.60

3. Meghalaya 8.39

4. Nagaland Not Available

5. Tripura 29.30

6. Arunachal Pradesh 31.32

7. Mizoram 30.00

Regularisation of A.I.R./ Doordarshan CAS1ING be pleased to state: Artists (a) w hether the attention ofGovern-

660. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will the m e n t h a s been drawn to the judgem ent of Minister o f INFORMATION AND PROAD- t h eS u p r e m e C ourt that the tem porary artists 405 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 406 of All India Radio and Doordarshan are ronmental clearance of this project. required to be considered as regular em­ ployees of Government; and The second project report on Porin- alkuthu Left Bank Extension (1 x1 8 MW) (b) if so, the follow-up action taken so far as been received recently in the Central and steps proposed to be taken in this re­ Electricity Authority in September 1988 and gard? is under examination.

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ Negotiation for Technology Transfer by FORMATION AND BROADCASTING BHEL (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) and (b). The judgement of the Hon’ble Supreme Court is 662. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL: under implementation. Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: Hydro Electric Power Projects In Kerala (a) whether the Bharat Heavy Electri­ 661. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: cals Ltd. (BHEL) is holding negotiations with SHRI T. BASHEER: multinationals for transfer of technology for manufacture of gas turbines of capacity Will the Minister of ENERGY be higher than 30 MW; and pleased to state: (b) if so, what is present stage of nego­ (a) the number of proposals for Hydro tiations and by what time they will be final­ Electric Power Projects in Kerala pending for ised? approval with Union Government; THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI (b) the details of those power projects; J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). M/s. Bharat and Heavy Electricals Limited are holding nego­ tiations with a foreign company for the trans­ (c) the reasons for delay in clearing the fer of technology for the manufacture of gas same? turbines of capacity higher than 30 MW and the negotiations are likely to be finalised THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE shortly. DEPARTMENTOF POWER IN THE MINIS­ TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): y Karnal Refinery Project (a) to (c). Two hydro-electric projects of Kerala have been received in the Central 663. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE Electricity Authority. The Chalakudy Stage II PATIL: Project, as originally proposed for 200 MW, SHRI TEJA SINGH DARDI: was earlier considered and it was decided SHRI BALWANT SINGH that formal clearance will be given after RAMOOWALIA: submission of revised project report with increased installation capacity of 200 MW. Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND The revised Project report was submitted by NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: Kerala State Electricity Board in January 1988, which was examined in Central Elec­ (a) whether no noticeable progress has tricity Authority and Central Water Commis­ been made in the work of Karnal refinery sion and their comments have been for­ project slated for production by May, 1992; warded to Kerala State Electricity Board whose replies are awaited. The State Gov­ (b) if so, the factors that are holding up ernment also to obtain the forest and envi­ the work of the project; 407 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 408

(c) whether delay in start of work on the (a) the number of posts of Field Publicity project will lead to cost escalation and revi­ Officers lying vacant in the Directorate of sion of the estimate; Field Publicity and since when;

(d) whether this will also affect the eco­ (b) whether these vacancies have since nomic viability of the project; and been filled up and if not, the reasons there­ for; and (e)the measures being contemplated to ensure an early start of work and to draw (c) the steps taken to fill up these vacan­ time bound schedule for the project? cies and when they are likely to be filled up?

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) to (e). FORMATION AND BROADCASTING A Statement is given below. (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) As on 1.11. 1988, 50 posts of Field Publicity Officers STATEMENT (Grade III of Central Information Service) and 28 posts of Field Publicity Officers The Karnal Refinery Project was (Border) are lying vacant from different launched by the Hon’ble Prime Minister of dates. India on March 30( 1987. Since then several steps have been taken for the implementa­ (b) and (c). Not yet. In the case of Field tion of the Project. These include the signing Publicity Officers belonging to Central Infor­ of Memorandum of Understanding between mation Service Cadre, since June 1987, Government, Indian Oil Corporation and posts were circulated thrice and selection of Tata Chemicals Limited for the formation of 32 officers made but only 9 joined as Field a joint venture company. Tata Chemicals Publicity Officers. The process of selection proposal for MRTP clearance for formation is still on. 22 Officers are again being sent of the joint venture company has been sub­ offers of appointment on deputation basis. In mitted, discussions are continuing with the case of Field Publicity Officers (Border), USSR for Soviet participation and assis­ litigation is going on between Government tance for the project. A detailed project re­ and a section of the ad-hoc Field Publicity port was submitted by the joint venture who Officers (Border) during the process of regu­ have been advised to prepare a revised lar selection by the Union Public Service report incorporating the additional details Commission in 1981. The Delhi High Court required. gave a stay on the recruitment through Union Public Sen/ice Commission until dis­ All efforts are being made to minimise posal of the case. The case has since been cost and time overruns in the implementa­ transferred to the Central Administrative tion of the-project. Tribunal. Attempts to get the stay vacated have not succeeded so far.

Filling up of Vacancies of Field Public­ Setting up of Gas based Naphtha ity Officers Cracker Unit at Vlshakhapatnam

664. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL: 665. SHRI BHATTAM Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND SRIRAMAMURTY: Will the Minister of BROADCASTING be pleased to refer to the PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be reply given on 30 August, 1988 to part (b) of pleased to state: Unstarred Question No. 4386 regarding working of Directorate of Field Publicity and (a) whether the Engineers India T-td. state. (EIL) has finalised a feasibility report for the 409 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 410

settin g up of a gas based Naphtha cracker (c) whether criteria/guidelines have unit at Visakhapatnam; been formulated for the selection and loca­ tion of growth centres and if so, the details (b) whether the EIL studied the prospect thereof; and of utilising the gas in the Krishna-Godavari basin and if so, the findings thereof; (d) the number of growth centres al­ ready functioning in Andhra Pradesh and (c) whether the product pattern has those proposed to be set up in the State? been identified and approval of Government obtained; THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) Presumably, the (d) whether the location of the project Hon’ble Member is referring to Schedule I to . will be outside the Vizag valley to maintain the Notification of-30.6.88 issued by this the environmental balance; and Department. The Notification lists 26 indus­ tries in respect of which industrial licence is (e) the other details of the project includ­ compulsory for all classes of industrial ing financial outlay, power and land require­ undertakings including the small scale units. ment, etc? (b) These growth centres would be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE endowed with infrastructural facilities on par MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ with the best available in the country, par­ RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) No, Sir. ticularly in respect of power, water banking and tele-communications. (b) to (e). As required by ONGC, M/s. EIL have prepared a feasibility report for (c) and (d). Government has constituted utilisation of gas from the K.G. Basin. The a High Level Committee under the Chair­ report recommended supply of gas to a manship of Secretary, Planning Commis­ power plan! near Narsapur/Kowur after in­ sion on 17th June, 1988 to formulate the tegrating the Narsapur/Tatipaka fields and criteria and guidelines for the selection and then laying a pipeline to Kakinada for in­ location of growth centres. The growth creased gas supply. Commitments of gas centres will be identified in consultation with have been made to nine consumers and the State Governments concerned. APSEB for a gas based power plant. Employment to Members of the Dis­ Growth Centres placed Families In Public Sector Undertakings 666. SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMAMURTY: 667. SHRI BHATTAM SHRI VAKKOM PU- SRIRAMAMURTY: Will the Minister of IN­ RUSHOTHAMAN: DUSTRY be pleased to state:

Will the Minister, of INDUSTRY be (a) whether Government have taken pleased to state: any policy decision that employment should be provided to at least one member of the (a) whether Government hav 6 short family displaced by the industry; listed the industries requiring industrial li­ cences as compared to 1966; (b) if so, what are the figures of the displacement of families in public sector (b) whether Government prdpose to undertakings in Andhra Pradesh; provide all infrastructural facilities to atleast 100 growth centres in the country and if so, (c) the details of the same with refer­ the details thereof; ence to public sector undertakings in Vizag; 411 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 412

(d) how many persons lost their jobs fields, it has so far been proved economically during the same period on account of indus- viable to produce oil indigenously instead of trial sickness and other causes, and buying it directly from the international mar­ (e) the additional employment opportu­ ket. nities created in public sector undertakings in Andhra Pradesh during the last three (c) ONGC has the financial resources to years? be largely self-sufficient in its operations.

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Suggestion to Scrap Price and Pur­ J. VENGAL RAO): (a) No Sir. chase Preference In Public Sector Enterprises (b) and (c). Do not arise. 669. SHRI P.M. SAYEED: Will the (d) As per available information, no Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: employee of the public sector enterprises in Andhra Pradesh has lost his job due to (a) whether Government have received industrial sickness during the year 1987. suggestions from the Associated Chambers of Commerce and Industry for scraping of (e) About four thousand additional price and purchase preference enjoyed at employment opportunities were created in present by public sector enterprises in re­ public sector units in Andhra Pradesh during spect of Government purchases; the period 1984-85 to 1986-87. (b) if so, the details of the suggestions Production of Crude Oil and rationale behind it; and

668. SHRI P.M. SAYEED: Will the (c) the reaction of Government thereto? Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) Government had (a) whether the crude oil prices have received suggestions from the Indian Mer­ crashed to the lowest in the international chants’ Chamber, Bombay seeking with­ markets; drawal of Price and Purchase Preference Policy applicable to the public sector enter­ (b) if so, whether it is economically vi­ prises. able to produce oil indigenously instead of buying it directly from the international mar­ (b) The suggestions made were that i) kets; and the existing policy for giving purchase/price preference to the public sector enterprises (c) whether the Oil and Natural Gas should be withdrawn forthwith and ii) if this Commission have financial resources to is not possible to be done immediately for attain self sufficiency and if so, the details some reasons, it should be done in a phased thereof? „ manner and in any case the directives should be totally withdrawn within about six THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE month’s time. The reasons given in support MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ of the request include (a) the public sector RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) The enterprises have come of age and have International Oil Prices have been vary vola­ stablised and therefore there is no need for tile and had declined sharply in September any special protection for it, (b) such prefer­ — ' October of this year before rising again ential treatment would result in harbouring gradually. inefficiency in the public sector, (c) this special treatment is against the concept of (b) Except in the case of very small mixed economy, etc. 413 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 414

(c) Government has not aocepted the part of Department's activities and input allo­ suggestions for withdrawal of the purchase/ cations have been made for Andhra price preference policy. Pradesh as part of Annual Action Plan of the Department. Telecom Technology Mission Projects tor Andhra Pradesh STATEMENT 670. SHRI T. BALA GOUD: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased Important projects under consideration to state: of the Telecom. Technology Mission for Andhra Pradesh for the remaining two years (a) the projects under consideration of of the Seventh Five Year Plan:- the Telecommunications technology mis­ sion for Andhra Pradesh; — Installation of Digital TAX of 2500 lines at Hyderabad is under progress. (b) to what extent the work of the technology mission would cover Andhra — Expand Telex service by opening Pradesh during the remaining period of new exchanges at Hyderabad, Seventh Plan; and Patancheru, Vijaywada. National exchanges at 7 stations; 2 already (c) the additional inputs channelised in commissioned. Andhra Pradesh under the technology mis­ sion? — Replace 6100 lines of Electro-me- chanical exchanges by Electronic THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE exchange, in Hyderabad. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The important — Replace 19 Electro-mechanical projects planned for Andhra Pradesh under Telex exchanges (970 lines) by Elec­ Technology Mission on Telecommunica­ tronic Telex Exchanges. tions are given in the Statement below. — Provide 76 IDPTs by installing Radio (b) Technology Mission on Telecom­ systems (MARR). munications will cover the following activities during last two years of the VII Plan Period:- — Instal 230 small exchanges in rural areas and out of which 4 Nos. of 128 C-DOT stand commissioned. (i) Improve quality of service. — Improve trunk service by computeri­ (ii) Increase urban PCOs. sation at Hyderabad and 7 small centres, out of which 1 at Vijayawada (iii) Improve delivery of telegrams. stands commissioned

(iv) Provide Telex on demand. — Induct optical fibre system in Hydera­ bad. (v) Improve rural communications; and — Improve delivery of telegrams by installing 128 lines SFMSS systems (vi) Induct Digital Electronic equip­ at Hyderabad and 48 Electronic key ment as part of National Digital board concentrators at nodel points. Network. — Computerise Directory Enquiry a t. (c) Telecom. Mission forms an integral Vijayawada. 415 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15.1988 WrittenAnswers 416

— 90 PCM systems programmed, out of frastructural facilities on par with the best which 40 stand commissioned. available in the country, particularly in re­ spect of power, water, telecommunications — 100 urban PCOs are programmed, and banking. out of which 15 stand commissioned. (d) An industrial licence is granted with [ Translation] an initial validity period of two years within which the entrepreneur is expected to com­ Industrial Licences Granted In Hima­ mence commercial production. However, chal Pradesh further extensions in the validity period of the industrial licences are also granted on justi­ 671. SHRI K.D. SULTANPURI: Will the fiable grounds. Monitoring of the progress of Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: implementation of industrial licences is done by the State Governments concerned and (a) the number of industrial licences the Ministries/Departments administratively granted in Himachal Pradesh during the last concerned with the industry in question in six months; the Central Government. None of the indus­ trial licence, out of those granted during the (b) the number of sick industries in the last three years, has since been reported as State which are unviable and which Union revoked/canceled. Government are not prepared to take over; Nathpa-Jhakrl Project, H.P. (c) the details of the facilities extended to State Government for setting up big indus­ 672. SHRI K.D SULTANPURI: Will the tries ; and Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state:

(d) the number of industrialists who (a) the total megawatt of power being have not set up industries after getting li­ generated in Himachal Pradesh and the cences? steps taken to increase power generation in the State; THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY(SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) During April-Septem- (b) the amount allocated this year for ber' 88,16 letters of intent have been issued setting up of Nathpa-Jhakri Projects; and for setting up of industries in Himachal Pradesh. None of these letters of intent has (c) the proposal for other power proj­ since been converted into industrial licence. ects sent by the State Government to Union Government for approval and provision of (b) There were seven large scale sick funds for the same? units in Himachal Pradesh as at the end of June, 1987. The present policy of the Gov­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ernment is not to take over the sick industrial DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ units. TRY OF ENERGY(SHRI KALP NATH RAI): (a) Total installed capacity of power stations (c) Government provides a number of in operation in Himachal Pradesh is 153.32 fiscal and financial incentives for the estab­ MW. In order to increase power generation lishment of industrial units and their techno­ in the State, setting up on new projects with logical upgradation. Recently, Government capacity of 143.45 MW during the 7th Plan, have announced a scheme to develop 100 and 1075 MW in the 8th Plan period is growth centres in the backward areas of the envisaged. country with investment of the order of Rs. 25-30 crores in each growth centre. These (b) During the year 1988-89, an outlay growth centres would be endowed with in­ of Rs. 50 crores under Central Plan and Rs. 417 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 418

1 crore under the State Plan has been pro­ ing retail outlets/LPG distributorships under vided for Nathpa Jhakri Project. various Marketing Plans are proposed to be set up in Himachal Pradesh: (c) Proposals for 4 hydroelectric proj­ ects aggregating 174 MW are under various I — Retail OUTLETS stages of techno-economic appraisal in the Central Electricity Authority. 1. Subhatu

Appointment of Branch Postmasters In 2. Swarghat HIM States 3. Chhalia 673. SHRI K.D. SULTANPURI: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 4. Dhalia to state 5. Dharampur (a) whether Government are aware that in several branch post offices, sub post of­ 6. Totu fices, telegraph offices etc. in the hill states, the appointment of branch post masters and 7. Pondagha postmen has not been made so far; // — LPG (b) whether Government have imposed a ban on their recruitment; and 1. Parwanoo *

(c) if not, when the appointment of 2. Shimla these personnel would be made? 3. Una THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHRI 4. Pooh % GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) to (c). Infor­ mation is being collected and will be laid on 5. Dera Gopipur the table of the House. 6. Kangra Allotment of Petrol Pumps and LPG Agencies in Himachal Pradesh Besides, LPG distributorships at the follow­ ing locations are to be set up through the 674. SHRI K.D. SULTANPURI: Will the Himachal Pradesh State Civil Supplies Cor­ Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL poration: GAS be pleased to state: 1. Damtal (a) the names of places in Himachal Pradesh where petrol pumps and gas agen­ 2. Chopal cies are proposed to be allottea during the next three years; and 3. Sarkaghat

(b) the norms/criterion for their distribu­ 4. Suni tion and the institutions which will be given priority? 5. Amb

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 6. Shahpur MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) Follow­ 7. Karsog 419 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Written Answers 420

8. Nagrota Bagwan dealerships/ distributorships will be actually \ * commissioned. 9. Narkanda

10. Rajgarh (b) Location for Retail Outlet dealer­ ships and LPG distributorships are deter­ 11. Arki mined keeping in view the volume/distance norms prescribed for Retail Outlets; and in 12. Barsar respect of LPG distributorships, locations with population of 20,000 and above (as per As various steps precede the actual 1981 census) and offering adequate poten­ commissioning of RO (Petrol/Diesel) dealer­ tial for viable marketing of the product are ships and LPG distributorships, it is not fea­ taken up. These locations are distributed as sible to indicate the exact time by these per the following reservation policy:-

Schedule Castes/Scheduled Tribes (SC/ST): 25%

Physically Handicapped (PH): 7 1/2%

Defence (Def): 7 1/2%

Freedom Fighters (FF): 5%

Others: 55%

[English] matter?

Clearance to Manuguru Project, Andhra THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Pradesh DEPARTMENTOF POWER IN THE MINIS­ TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): (a) The power supply position in the South­ 675. DR. G. VIJAYA RAMA RAO: Will ern State during October, 1988 is given in the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: the Statement below.

Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (b) and (c). The Government of Andhra Pradesh had suggested the setting up of a (a) whether there is a serious energy Super Thermal Power Station at Manuguru. crisis in Southern States; A Feasibility Report was prepared by the N.T.P.C. and the same is under examination in the Central Electricity Authority. Some (b) whether Andhra Pradesh Govern­ inputs/clearances such as coal linkage, ment has requested for establishment of clearance of the Department of Environment Super Thermal Power Stations and early and the State pollution Control Board as also clearance of Manuguru Project; and compliance with the provisions of Section 29 of the Electricity (Supply) Act, 1948, which are required for the techno-economic ap­ (c) if so, the present position in the praisal, are yet to be Jied-up. 421 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 422

STATEMENT

Power Supply Position in Southern States Period: April 86 — October 88

(AH figures in MU net)

1987-88 April 88-Oct. 88

Andhra Pradesh

Requirement 16636 9706

Availability 14593 8566

Deficit (%) 1943(12) 1140 (12)

Karnataka

Requirement 15185 8680

Availability 10556 6172

Deficit (%) 4629 (30) 2508 (29)

* Kerala \

Requirement 6135 3710

Availability 5196 3249

Deficit (%) 939 (15) 461 (12)

Tamil Nadu (including Pondicherry)

Requirement 17330 10950

Availability 15480 10265

Deficit (%) 1848 (11) 685 ( 6)

Southern Region

Requirement 55286 33046

Availability 45927 28252

Deficit (%) 9359(17) 4794 (14) 423 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 WrittenAnswers 424

Imported Wlndpower Units at Dairy (d) the power generation expected • Institute, Audugudl, Bangalore through these generators? i 676. DR. G. VUAYA RAM RAO: Will the THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: VASANT SATHE): (a) to (d). The Depart­ ment of Non-Conventional Energy Sources (a) whether imported windpower units is implementing a country wide programme were installed by Government at the Dairy for the development of rural energy systems Institute, Audugudi, Bangalore and Agricul­ based on Solar Energy, Wind Energy, Bio­ ture College, Hebbal, Bangalore some 55 mass, Bio-gas, etc. for energy generation years ago for trial; especially in rural areas. This includes units to generate power for small and limited pur­ (b) if so, the results of the trials con­ poses. Over 3000 villages have been pro­ ducted and experience gained; and vided with solar photovoltaic powered street lights, as a measure of initial electrification. (c) whether the units are performing Installation of lighting systems in community well at present? centres, primary health centres, adult edu­ cation centres and provision of community THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI Television sets in villages have also been VASANT SATHE): (a) to (c). Information on taken up. A few small photovoltaic power installation of imported windpower units at plants have also been set up in unelectrified the two institutions in Bangalore, 55 years villages on an experimental basis. During ago, is not available. 4.988-89 it »6 proposed to deploy 3000 street lights, 100 water pumping systems, 100 However, it is reported that one windmill community TV sets. 500 domestic lighting was installed at the Southern Regional Sta­ units. Electric power from wind and biomass tion of National Dairy Research Institute, generators has also been started and more Bangalore in 1965 by National Aeronautical than 14 million units of electricity already Laboratory. The windmill was not found suit­ supplied. The Department has proposed able in that location. expansion of this programme so as to install about 3750 MW of electric capacity including Generators In Rural Areas Based on small generating units in rural areas by the Renewable Sources of Energy end of the eighth plan and 15000 MW by the end of the ninth plan from different renew­ 677. SHRI VAKKOM PUROSHOTHA- able sources of energy. MAN: SHRI UTTAM RATHOD: Change in Timings of Programmes on SHRI SOMNATH RATH: National Channel

Will the Minister of ENERGY be 678. SHRI UTTAM RATHOD: Will the pleased to state: Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD­ CASTING be pleased to state: (a) whether a proposal has been mooted to instal specially designed genera­ (a) whether it is proposed to alter the tors in the rural areas to generate power for timings of the programmes on N a t i o n a l small and limited purposes based on renew- * Channel suitably and fix them during day able sources of energy; time or evenings only for the benefit of listen­ ers all over the country; (b) if so, the details thereon; (b) if not, the reasons therefor; and (c) the number of such generators to be installed; and (c) the measures taken to'improve the 425 Written Answers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Written Answers 426 audibility of the programmes broadcast over (a) and (b). The information is being col­ the National Channel? lected and will be laid on the Table of the • „ House. THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ [English] FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) and (b). The Production of Crude Oil From Cauvery National Channel of All India Radio at pres­ and K.G. Basins ent broadcasts programmes from 1900 hrs. of 0230 hrs. The Medium Wave transmitters 680. SHRI S.B. SIDNAL: Will the Minis­ at various Stations of All India Radio are ter of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS used mainly for broadcasting in the regional be pleased to state: languages. In the absence of alternate chan­ (a) whether the crude oil produced from nel some of the centrally originated pro­ Cauvery and Krishna-Godavari basins is of grammes are relayed for short durations by very high quality and also much better than the Regional Stations and these encroach the oil produced in Assam and Bombay; and into the regional service at peak listening (b) if so, the details thereof? hours. A separate National Channel for broadcast exclusively of National program­ THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE mes was, therefor, set-up to cover major MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ portion of the country at night. The availabil­ RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) and ity of sky-wave at night also increases its (b). The API gravity of oil produced from the coverage. In view of the position explained Cauvery and Krishna — Godavari basins is above it is not proposed to alter the timings higher than that of oil produced from Assam of the programmes broadcast over the Na­ (25° - 30°) or Bombay offshore (37° - 39°) tional Channel. and to that extent the oil from the Cauvery and Krishna — Godavari basins is of supe­ (c) The National Channel of All India rior quality. Radio covers about 53% population of the country at present. There is no proposal Widening of Approaches to Bhakra during the 7th Plan to improve the audibility Canal of the programmes of National Channel and to reach the un-serviced areas of the coun­ 681. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: try. Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: [ Translation] (a) whether the approaches to the Performance of Delhi Electric Supply Bhakra Canal in Punjab are narrow and the Undertaking railings cannot withstand the impact of even a scooter or a bike consequent to which 679. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRI- couple of accidents have taken place over PATUJ: Will the Minister of ENERGY be there including falling of buses into the canal pleased to state: resulting into heavy tolls; and (a) whether the Delhi Electric Supply (b) if so, the details of the steps taken to Undertaking has taken any steps to evaluate widen the approaches and to make the rail­ its capacity and performance; and ings stronger so as to withstand some im­ (b) if so, the details thereof and if not, the pact? reasons therefor? / THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DE­ PARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS­ (a) and (b). Information is being collected TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): and will be laid on the Table of the House. 427 Written Answers NOVEMBER 15,1988 Papers Laid 428

12.00 hrs. 12.01 hrs.

[English] [English]

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Ra- PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE japur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, on 7th November I had given notice of privilege against the White Paper on actual performance of Prime Minister. ( Interruptions) I.D.P.L.

MR. SPEAKER: I have seen that. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): I beg to lay on the Table (Interruptions) a copy of the White Paper on actual perform­ ance of Indian Drugs and Pharmaceuticals PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Please Limited, vis-a-vis its objectives and obliga­ listen to me, Sir. The trouble with you is that tions (Hindi and English versions). [Placed in you do not listen. Library. See No. LT—6693/88]

MR. SPEAKER: I have already seen it. Review on and Annual Report of Oil India Ltd., Duliajan for 1987-88, Production PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: That is Sharing Contracts, Statement correcting different. On 20th April 1987... . reply to USQ No. 4257 re: allotment of petrol pumps in Madhya Pradesh etc. MR. SPEAKER: I have seen that. I have . asked for certain information. I cannot act by THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE hear-say. I cannot act without proof. I have to MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ act as per the set rules. RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): I beg to lay on the Table:—

PROP. MADHU DANDAVATE: Even in (1) A copy each of the following papers Prime Minister’s interview he clearly says (Hindi and English versions) under commission was paid. (Interruptions) sub-section (1) of section 619A of the Companies Act, 1956:— MR. SPEAKER: I have to act as per the set rules. (i) Review by the Government on the working of the Oil India Lim­ PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, ited, Duliajan, for the year 1987- misleading the House is a breach of privi­ 88 . lege. It is committed on 20th April, 1987. (Interruptions) (ii) Annual Report of the Oil India * MR. SPEAKER: This is nothing new. Limited, Duliajan for the year The simple thing is that there is a set proce­ 1987-88 along with' Audited dure. I am going through that procedure. I Accounts and comments of the cannot take it for granted what appears in the Comptroller and Auditor General Press. I have to find out the basics. I have thereon. [Placed in Library. See written to the Prime Minister and also to the No. LT—6694/88] Defence Minister. Now Papers to be laid — Shri J Vengal Rao. (2) A copy each of the foflowing Produc­ tion sharing Contracts (Hindi and English versions):— 429 Papers Laid KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Papers Laid 430

(i) Production sharing Contract (1) a copy each of the following Notifica­ dated the 19th February, 1988 tions (Hindi and English versions) between the Government of under section 296 of the Income-tax India and Oil and Natural Gas Act, 1961:— Commission and BHP Petro­ leum (India) Inc. for Block KK- OS-VI. [Placed in Library. See (i) The Income-tax (Eighth Amend­ No. LT—6695/88] ment) Rules, 1988 published in Notification No. S.O. 919 (E) in (ii) Production sharing Contract Gazette of India dated the 5th dated the 18th April, 1988 be­ October, 1988. tween the Government of India and Oil India Limited and Chev­ (ii) S.O. 936 (E) published in Ga­ ron International Limited, Tex­ zette of India dated the 10th aco Exploration India Inc. for October, 1988 regarding cancel­ Block MN-OS-I. [Placed in lation of Notification No. S.O. Library. See No. LT—6696/88] 585 (E) dated the 14th June, 1988. (iii) Production sharing Contract dated the 4th June, 1988 be­ (iii) The Income-tax (Ninth Amend­ tween the Government of India ment) Rules, 1988 published in and Oil and Natural Gas Notification No. S.O. 937 (E) in Commission and Shell India Gazette of India dated the 1 0th Production Development for October, 1988. [Placed in Blocks KK-OS-II. and KK-OS-IV. Library. See No. LT—6700/88] [Placed in Library. See No. LT— 6697/88] (2) A copy each of the following Notifica­ tions (Hindi and English versions) (iv) Production sharing Contract dated the 22nd July, 198£ be­ under section 159 of the Customs tween the Government of India Act, 1962:— and Oil and Natural Gas Commission and Amoco India (i) S.O. 979 (E) published in Ga­ Petroleum Company for Block zette of India dated the 25th KG-OS-V [Placed in Library. October, 1988 together with an See No. LT-6698/88] explanatbry memorandum lay­ ing down the rates of exchange (3) A statement (Hindi and English ver­ for conversion of Japanese Yen sion) (i) Correcting the reply given on into Indian currency or vice- the 30th August, 1988 to Unstarred versa. Question No. 4257 by Shri Nandlal Choudhary regarding allotment of petrol pumps in Madhya Pradesh and (ii) G.S.R. 843 (E) published in (ii) giving reasons for delay in correct­ Gazette of India dated the 9th ing the reply. [Placed in Library. See August, 1988 together with an No. LT—6699/88] explanatory memorandum re­ scinding the Notification No. Notification under Income Tax Act, 180/86-Customs dated the 1st Customs Act, Central Excise and Salt March, 1986. Act and Wealth Tax Act. (iii) G.S.R. 844 (E) published in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Gazette of India dated the 9th DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE. IN THE August, 1988 together with an MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. explanatory memorandum PANJA): I beg to lay on the Table:— 431 Papers Laid NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Papers Laid 432

tional duty of customs. e xtending the validity of Notifica­ tion No. 30/83-Customs dated (viii) G.S.R. 910 (E) and 911 (E) the 25th February, 1983 upto published in Gazette of India 31st March, 1989. dated the 8th September, 1988 together with an explanatory (iv) G.S.R. 880 (E) published in memorandum providing for Gazette of India dated the 26th concessional basic customs August, 1988 together with an duty at the rate of 35 per cent full explanatory memorandum re­ exemption from additional duty garding reduction of basic cus­ and concessional auxiliary duty toms duty on unwrought nickel at the rate of 5 per cent upto 30th from 40 per cent ad valorem to September, 1989. Rupees Forty Five Thousand per tonne and also exempting it (ix) G.S.R. 934 (E) published in from the levy of the additional Gazette of India dated the 16th duty of customs. September, 1988 together with • an explanatory memorandum (v) GSR 890 (E) published in Ga­ seeking to amend the Notifica­ zette of India dated the 1st Sep­ tion No. 89/85-Customs dated tember, 1988 together with an the 17th March, 1985 so as to explanatory memorandum so as include 'Rifamycin S' alongwith to modify the procedure in re­ ‘Refampicin S'. spect of video cassettes and tapes imported by M/s. Elec­ (x) G.S.R. 935 (E) published in tronic Trade and Technology Gazette of India dated the 16th Development Corporation under September, 1988 together with the teleteach/Margadarshan an explanatory memorandum Programme. seeking to reduce basic customs duty from the present rate of 40 (vi) G.S.R. 891 (E) published in per cent ad valorem to 25 per Gazette of India dated the 1st cent on the import of component September, 1988 together with parts of medical equipment. an explanatory memorandum making certain amendment to (xi) G.S.R. 936 (E) published in Notification No. 204/76-Cus­ Gazette of India dated the 16th toms dated the 2nd August, September. 1988 together with 1976 so as to dispense with the an explanatory memorandum requisite certificate from the Di­ prescribing concessional rate of rectorate General of Technical customs duty on specified raw Development in respect of materials and piece parts re­ Populated Printed Circuit quired for the manufacture of Boards of computer Systems. specified electronic compo­ nents. ' (vii) G.S.R. 892 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the 1st (xii) G.S.R. 994 (E) published in September, 1988 together with Gazette of India dated the 6th an explanatory memorandum October, 1988 together with an regarding exemption for speci­ explanatory memorandum fied raw materials required for seeking to exempt additional the manufacture of solar cells/ duty of customs on Mataphe- modules from the whole of addi­ v noxy Benazldehyde when im- 433 Papers Laid KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Papers Laid 434

po rted into India. Fryers” to the list of items enjoy­ ing the concessional basic cus­ (xiii) G.S.R. 983 (E) published in toms duty of 35 per cent. [Placed Gazette of India dated the 26th in Library. See No. LT—6701/ October, 1988 together with an 88] explanatory memorandum lay­ ing down the revised rate of (3) A copy each of the following Notifica­ exchange for conversions of tions (Hindi and English versions) Pound Sterling into Indian cur­ under sub-section (2) of section 38 of rency or vice-versa. the Central Excises and Salt Act, 1944:— (xiv) S.O. 1000 (E) published in Ga­ zette of India dated the 31st (i) G.S.R. 885 (E) published in December, 1988 together with Gazette of India dated the 30th an explanatory memorandum August, 1988 together with an laying down the revised rates of explanatory memorandum exchange for conversion of extending the validity of Notifica­ Australian Dollars inta Indian tion No. 197/87-CE, 198/87-CE currency or vice-versa. and 199/87-CE dated the 28th August, 1987. (xv) S.O. 1007 (E) published in Ga­ zette of India dated the 1st No­ (ii) G.S.R. 889 (E) published in vember, 1988 together with an Gazette of India dated the 1st explanatory memorandum lay­ September, 1988 together with ing down the revised rates of an explanatory memorandum exchange for conversion of extending the validity of Notifica­ Austrian Schillings, Belgian tion No. 207/87-CE dated the 9th Francs. Danish Kroners, September, 1987 upto the 30th Deutsche Marks, Dutch Guid- September, 1989. ers, French Francs, Italian Lira, Norweigian Kroners, Swedish (iii) G.S.R. 893 (E) published in Kroners and Swiss Francs into Gazette of India dated the 1st Indian currency or vice-versa. September, 1988 together with an explanatory memorandum (xvi) G.S.R.'1030 (E) published in making certain amendments to Gazette of India dated the 25th Notification No. 181/88-CE October, 1988 together with an dated the 13th May, 1988 so as explanatory memorandum pro­ to wholly exempt certain parts of viding for the manner of dealing pressure cookers from central with the imported goods where excises duty. the Pass Book holder is not a Manufacturer exftorter. (iv) G.S.R. 97 (E) published in Ga­ zette of India dated the 30th (xvii) Notification No. 304/88-Cus- September, 1988 together with toms published in Gazette of an explanatory memorandum India dated the 11th November, making certain amendments to 1988 together with an explana­ notification No. 120/84-CE tory memorandum seeking to dated the 11th May, 1984 so as amend the Notification No. 125/ to restrict the exemption to only 86-Customs dated the 17th those blended or compounded February, 1986 so 9s to add the lubricating oil and greases which item “automatic Vegetable are produced out of such m ineral 435 Papers Laid NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Papers Laid 436

October, 1988 together with an oils on whic h appropriate excise explanatory memorandum re. duty or additional duty has been excise duty on green liquor, fall­ paid. ing within Chapter 28 or Chapter 38 of the Schedule to the Central (v) G.S.R. 992 (E) published in Excise Tariff Act, 1985 and used Gazette of India dated the 6th in the factory or production in or October, 1988 together with an in relation to the manufacture of explanatory memorandum paper and paper board, falling seeking to exempt Optical Glass within Chapter 48 of the said manufactured by the Central schedule. Glass and Ceramic Research Institute, from the whole of the (x) G.S.R. 1027 (E) published in Central Excise Duty, Provided Gazette of India dated the 24th the said optical glass is intended October, 1988 together with an for use by Central Government explanatory memorandum re­ Departments. garding excise duty on hydrogen gas, falling under item No. 68 of (vi) G.S.R. 993 (E) published in the First Schedule to the Central Gazette of India dated the 6th Excise and Salt Act, 1944. October, 1988 together with an explanatory memorandum (xi) G.S.R. 1028 (E) published in seeking to exempt saltpetre from Gazette of India dated the 24th whole of duty of excise. October, 1988 together with an explanatory memorandum re­ {vii) G.S.R. 999 (E) published in garding the excise duty in lime­ Gazette of India dated the 7th stone, in any form, and 'raw feed’ October, 1988 together with an and 'slurry' falling under sub­ explanatory memorandum heading No. 2505.00 of the seeking to exempt nuclear fuel Schedule to the Central Excise for use in atomic power stations Tariff Act, 1985. [Placed in from the whole of the duty of Library. See No. LT—-6702/88] excise. (4) A copy of the Wealth-tax (Fourth (viii) G.S.R. 1025 (E) published in Amendment) Rules, 1988 (Hindi and Gazette of India dated 24th Oc­ English versions) published in Notifi­ tober, 1988 together with an cation No. S.O. 999 (E) in Gazette of explanatory memorandum pro­ India dated the 31st October, 1988 viding the excise duty on para- under sub-section (4) of section 46 of toluic ester, falling within Chap­ the Wealth tax Act, 1957. [Placed in ter 29 of the Schedule to the Library. See No. LT—6703/88] Central Excise Tariff Act, 1985 and to consumed within the fac­ Report of CAG of India for 1987—Union tory of production in the manu­ Govt. (Commercial) Part VIII—Hindus­ facture of dimethyl terephthalate tan Aeronautics Ltd. shall not be required to be paid during thfe period from 28th THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE February, 1986 to 11 th January, MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AF­ 1987. FAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PRIME MINISTER’S OFFICE (SHRIMATI (ix) G.S.R. 1026 (E) published in SHEILA DIKSHIT): Sir. on behalf of Shri Gazette of India dated the 24th Chintamani Panigrahi I beg to lay on the 437 , Papers KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Statement re. Fire in 430 Laid Mahul Refinery of Bharat Petroleum

Table a copy of the Report of the Comptroller MR. SPEAKER: Now you prepare the and Auditor General of India for the year ground for discussion under Rule 193. 1987 (Hindi and English versions) —Union Government (Commercial)—Part VIII—Hin­ Shri Brahma Dutt to make a statement. dustan Aeronautics Limited, under article 151 (1) of the Constitution. [Placed in (Interruptions) Library. See No. LT—6704/88]

Notifications Under Companies Act, 12.03 hrs. 1956 „ STATEMENT RE: FIRE IN LOADING AREA • THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AND AROMATIC PLANT OF MAHUL RE­ DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL­ FINERY OF BHARAT PETROLEUM OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS­ CORPORATION LTD., BOMBAY ON TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): I beg to 9.11.1988. lay on the Table a copy under section 620A of the Companies Act, 1956:— [English]

(i) G.S.R. 596 published in Gazette of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE India dated the 23rd July, 1988 de­ MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU­ claring Messers Kalaimagal Mutual RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): A fire Benefit Fund Limited, Madras to be a occurred at Bharat Petroleum Corporation’s ‘Nidht. Bombay (Mahul) refinery on 9-11-1988 at about 12.00 noon in the loading area of the (ii) G.S.R: 597 published in Gazette of refinery. The fire spread to the aromatic plant India dated the 23rd July, 1988 de­ of the refinery. The fire was extinguished in claring Messers Shenoy Nagar the loading area but the Naphtha in the Benefit Fund Limited, Madras to be a storage tanks of the aromatic plant contin­ 'Nidhi*. ued to burn. Five tanks in all caught fire.

(iii) G.S.R. 598 published in Gazette of Forty-six people working mostly in India dated the 23rd July, 1988 de­ gantry area were injured and were hospital­ claring Messers Mini Muthoottu Mu­ ised. Most of them were contract labourers. tual Funds Limited, Kozhencherry to While three persons died on the spot, by be a ‘Nidhi’. [Placed in Library. See November 14th the number of dead had No. LT—6705/88] reached thirty. The condition of ten is stated to be critical. All the injured are being treated (Interruptions) in several hospitals of Bombay city. The refinery authorities have been asked to SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura): announce ex-gratia payment of Rs 10,000/- He has not denied that. ( Interruptions) per-head for deceased and Rs 5000/- for seriously injured. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Prime Minister has given the interview to Sunday Three storage tanks have been almost and he has very clearly admitted... (Interrup­ destroyed and another two tanks have been tions) seriously damaged. The pump house mainly used for loading Benzene and Toluene has MR. SPEAKER: I have already written. been burnt out completely. Six lorries owned by a contractor, filled with Bitumen drums PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Prime and other products have been completely or Minister has admitted that commission was partially destroyed. One company car was paid. ( Interruptions) destroyed. 439 Matters Under NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Rule 377 440

[Sh . Brahma Dutt] reason that the condition of the educational Aside from the disruption in production institutions in the rural areas is deteriorating of Benzene and Toulene, preliminary esti­ day by day because the children of high mates of loss are put at approximately officials, and the capitalists are not there in around Rs 150 lakhs. these institutions. The result is that the chil­ dren of the poor farmers and workers find On receipt of information, Government themselves unable to get the high posts in deputed the Chief of the Safety Directorate the country. under the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas to BPCL to assist the refinery authorities in putting out the fire. Government have also I would urge the Government to adopt a constituted a high powered committee of uniform education policy in order to protect experts, headed by the Chief of the Oil the interests of the country and the society Industry Safety Directorate to enquire into so that the nation may emerge prosperous, the cause of fire and suggest remedial powerful and integrated. measures to prevent recurrence of the same. [Eng fish] The refinery has brought back into operation its catalytic cracking unit on 11 -11 - (II) Demand for enquiry Into reasons 88. The Crude distillation column is ex­ for delay In recovering the pected to be operated on 16-11-88. Steps amounts overcharged by the drug . have been taken to ensure that there is no manufacturing companies. disruption in essential supplies. SHRI SONTOSH KUMAR SINGH (Azamgarh): Crores of rupees have been 12.05 hrs. overcharged from the poor consumers by the drug manufacturing companies. Accord­ MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 ing to para 7(2) of the Drugs (Price Control) Order, 1979, money overcharged has to be [ Translation] refunded. For the last two years, the process of recovery is on, in accordance with the law, %(l) Demand for a uniform education but authorities responsible for the recovery policy throughout the country. are not taking any interest to recover the amount from the drug manufacturing com­ SHRI RAM PUJAN PATEL (Phulpur): panies. In fact, in certain cases, the details of Mr. Speaker, Sir, under Rule 377, I would the amount to be recovered have not yet like to draw the attention of the Government been calculated. In certain cases where the of India towards a very important issue. Due amount has been calculated, neither the to double education policy in the country, the companies have been reminded to deposit brilliant students belonging to ordinary fami­ the amount nor reference has been made to lies are unable to get good education be­ the Collector of Revenue for the recovery. cause Public schools and English medium Despite raising the matter on the floor of the educational institutions are charging 5 to 10 House, no responsibility has so far been thousand rupees as donation for the admis­ fixed for inaction in this regard. sion per student. It is a matter of great regret that even after 40 years of independence importance is being given to English lan­ I, therefore, urge upon the G o v e r n m e nt guage at the cost of Hindi and other Indian to enquire into the matter and fix responsibil­ languages. If a country is to develop, its ity for delay in recovering the amounts over­ national language, literature and the culture charged by the drug manufacturing compa­ must be enriched. The basic foundation of nies. < our country is becoming feeble. This is the 441 Matters Under KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) Rule 377 442

[ Translation] institutions. About 5000 people have been rendered jobless as a result of the closure of (III) Demand for directives to State Rohtas industry. Large number of industrial Governments to rescue poor units and farmers are facing hardships due people from exploitation by to power-shortage in a major industrial town money lenders. of Barauni. More than 50 transformers in Farauni and Begusarai divisions of Be- SHRI JAGDISH AWASTHI (Bilhaur): gusarai district are lying burnt since last few Mr. Speaker, Sir, under rule 377,1 would like years. As a result of this the consumers are to inform that after 40 years of independence either not getting any supply and if getting and inspite of the large scale expansion of the voltage remains very low. Besides, Elec­ banks, there has been no improvement in tricity Boards are suffering a loss of lakhs of the conditions of the economically backward rupees. sections. Though the Central Government and the State Governments have taken I would urge the Government to provide various steps yet their situation remains the power facilities to the industrial units. same and the money lenders still continue to operate. This practice may be found in every (v) Demand for assistance to Rajast­ city, village, mill or factory. The people who han Government to enable It to are economically backward are exploited by cope with the drought conditions these money lenders by mortgaging their In Barmer, Jaisalmer and Jodhpur precious belongings like jewellery or land districts. and they are forced to serve as bounded labours. The rate of interests is so high that SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN they are compelled to pay the interest (Barmer): Mr. Speaker, Sir, with your per­ throughout their life and even then the prin­ mission, I submit Jhe following information ciple amount remains the same. The result is under Rule 377. they are exploited mentally, economically and physically. It is presumed that agricultural produc­ tion would increase in the country due to So, I would like to urge the Government good and timely rain fall from June 1988 to to direct the State Governments and the September 1988. Unfortunately, Barmer, nationalised banks to conduct a survey to Jaisalmer, Shergarh and Falodi Tehsils in find out those people who have taken loan Jodhpur district are the areas which come upto Rs. 10,000 and take immediate steps to under the Thar Desert and have been hard relieve and rehabilitate them. hit by drought this year. There was a good rainfall in most of the areas of this desert in (iv) Demand for sufficient power sup­ July. But because of no rains after Aug. 15, ply to small scale Industries and 1988,75 to 100 percent of the crops of millet farmers in Bihar. Moth and Gawar have been destroyed. These districts have been continuously hit PROF. CHANDRA BHANU DEVI by drought for the last five years. The Central (Balia): Mr. Speaker, Sir, under Rule 377,1 Government provided adequate assistance beg to submit the following information. to the Government of Rajasthan due to which a number of lives could basaved. The The number of sick industries in Bihar problem of employment has become serious has increased to a great extent in the recent because of the successive five year’s years. According to figures 40,000 out of the drought. It has become essential to start total 60,000 registered small scale indus­ drought relief works and provide jobs to the tries in Bihar are sick. The main reason of the people. sickness of industries is the power shortage and non-cooperative attitude of financial The StateGovernment cannot afford to 443 Matters Under NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Re. Death of Supriya 444 Rule 377 Singh in Haryana

[Sh. Virdhi Chander Jain] the people of region, has disheartened the meet the challenge of drought through its people, particularly the artists. own resources nor can they provide employ­ ment to lakhs of workers. I would urge the Therefore, I earnestly request the Gov­ Government of Rajasthan to declare the ernment to immediately restore the facilities areas of Barmer, Jaisalmer and the parts of enjoyed by Nagpur people and take immedi­ Jodhpur as famine hit areas to enable the ate steps towards establishing a full-fledged Central Government to send the study team studio at Nagpur Doordarshan Kendra. there as early as possible and to provide assistance to the Government of Rajasthan [English] to start drought relief works. Besides, priority should be given to complete the construction MR. SPEAKER: Now, there is nobody work of wells meant for irrigation, purposes to start the discussion under Rule 193 which undertaken by the Government last year. I have admitted. Priority should be given to construct tanks for drinking water. AN HON. MEMBER: They are not •• prepared to face it, Sir. They have run away. (Interruptions) (Interruptions)

[English] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS MR. SPEAKER: Nothing else except (PROF. K.K. TEWARY): You have admitted statement under 377 goes on record. the Motion for discussion. In the meantime the Opposition could not face facts. They PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Ra- only believe in creating smoke screens... japur): We walkout from the House to regis­ (Interruptions) Therefore, you must make an ter our protest. observation on this deplorable conduct of the Opposition leaders. ( Interruptions) Prof. Madhu Dandavate and some other Hon. Members then left the House. MR. SPEAKER: Prof. Dandavate has come now. (vl) Demand for a full-fledged studio at Nagpur Doordarshan Kendra (Interruptions)

SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT (Nagpur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, Doordarshan 12.06 hrs. Kendra, Nagpur was inaugurated by our late Prime Minister, Shrimati Indira Gandhi. At RE: DEATH OF SHRIMATI SUPRIYA the time of 'inauguration, the people of SINGH, WIFE OF SHRI ABHAY SINGH, Nagpur were promised that soon this Ken­ IN HARYANA dra will have its own full-fledged studio from where cultural programmes and program­ [ Translation] mes for the benefit of farmers will be relayed throughout the region. A smaller centre was SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK established in Nagpur and for some time (Sonepat): Mr. Speaker, Sir, Choudhary local programmes used to be relayed from Devi Lai... Nagpur Doordarshan Kendra. Now, as per the latest decision, Nagpur has been directly MR. SPEAKER: You should rise to linked with Bombay eliminating all future speak on the matter. chances of the local artists. This decision which is contrary to the assurances given to SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK:

•*Not recorded. 445 Re. D&ath of Supriya,. KARTIKA 24, iaia(SAKA# Singh in Haryana 446

The wife of Chaudhary Devi Lai’s grandflM, ment. This cannot be taken up here. Shri Abhay Singh, has died in suspicious circumstances. (Interruptions)

MANY HON. MEMBERS: htoaooseof SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: murder. The Central Government should investigate the matter. The hon. Home Minister is pres­ MR. SPEAKER: What can I do? h is a ent and he should make statement in this law and order problem. regard. CBI enquiry should be conducted because it is a matter of public importance. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: The Haryana court can do nothing in this Mr. Speaker, the body of Mrs. Supriya Singh regard. (Interruptions) was hit by three bullets. The hon. Home Minister is sitting here in the House. Her There was no post mortem conducted. body was hit by three bullets but no post Therefore, it creates suspicion. mortem was conducted. The incident is re­ lated to the wife of the grandson of Chief KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI (Palamau): Minister. The Home Minister is present in the Enquiry should be conducted in this matter. House and he should make a statement in this regard. CBI enquiry should be con­ SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: ducted in the matter. (Interruptions) There was no postmortem... He is not above the law. According to law post mortem of the It is a very serious matter. People in body should be conducted if it is an unnatural Haryana are very much concerned about it. death. The dead body was cremated within If the wife of the grandson of a Chief Minister an hour. can be murdered, what will be the fate of the common man? (Interruptions) [English]

[English] Matter is very serious.

MR. SPEAKER: I cannot do anything [ Translation] here. CBI enquiry should bo conducted in this [ Translation] regard.

It is a problem of law and order. I am KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI: CBI helpless in this regard. enquiry should be conducted. It is a matter of attack on a woman. (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please listen to me.

SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: It [English] cannot be a case of suicide. In that case a person can hit only one bullet and not three. THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHF.. (Interruptions) VASANT SATHE): Sir, no post mortem was held. Somebody else should enquire into it; it cannot be left to the court by saying this. Post mortem was not conducted and Where does the question of court come in the body was cremated within an hour. here?

MR. SPEAKER: The issue can be MR. SPEAKER: How I can do any­ taken to the court or to the State Govern­ thing? 447 Re. Death of Supriya NOVEMBER 15, 1988 Disc. Under 193 re. 448 Singh in Haryana Commission reportedly Paid by Bofors

SHRI VASANT SATHE: You ask the [Translation] Home Minister. ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Professor Sahib, [Translation] please mind your own work.

MR. SPEAKER: You can take the matter to the court. I cannot do anything. 12.21 hrs.

[English] DISCUSSION UNDER RULE 193

Commission reported to have been SHRI VASANT SATHE: The Home paid by M/s Bofors in Howitzer Gun Minister should look into it. deal

[ Translation] [English]

A woman has been murdered. (Inter­ MR. SPEAKER: Now, we will take up ruptions) discussion under Rule 193 regarding commission reported to have been paid by [English] M/s. Bofors in the Howitzer Guns Deal.

MR. SPEAKER: How can I interfere in PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Ra- a murder case? japur): Mr. Speaker, you may recall that this House has discussed the problem of Bofors (Interruptions) a number of times in different forms. We discussed it under Rule 193; a statement SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY was made by the Defence Minister; and the (Mahbubnagar): How can you allow this Sir? Prime Minister intervened in the debate and offered certain clarifications. Then again, we [ Translation] had the Joint Parliamentary Committee's Report and after the report was submitted to MR. SPEAKER: I am not allowing you. the House, we again had a discussion on Bofors. Despite that, we wanted to raise this THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS issue in a different form. (S. BUTA SINGH): I can say only that.

[English] At the very outset, let me point this out to you without casting any aspersions on I can try to find out the information and anyone. Sir, as early as on 20th of April 1987, bring it to the hon. HousJ. on our insistence, the Defence Minister, Shri K.C. Pant had made a written statement in SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE this House regarding the Bofors deal, and (Bolpur): It is a matter concerning the State. regarding the allegations from the Swedish How can the Home Minister intervene? (In­ Radio that middlemen were involved and terruptions) commission was paid. On the 17th of April 1987, Government had issued a statement SHRI VASANTSATHE: It is not a State and in this very House, Shri K.C. Pant, the subject. It is a clear case of murder. It has Defence Minister made a written statement nothing to do with the State. It must be in which he considered all the allegations as inquired into... ( Interruptions) There was not false and mischievous. He denied about the even a postmortem. What are you talking? existence of middlemen and the payment of (Interruptions) commission. (Interruptions) 449 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 450 re. Commission by Bofors

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ MR. SPEAKER: I will give you 20 min­ TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ utes. FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): Will you yield for PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: You Half a minute? give me more time because there were so many interruptions. He had asked me to PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I will yield. I request you to yield and give me more yield for even half an hour. time. I was telling that on 20th April, 1987, Shri K.C. Pant, the Minister of Defence made SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT: If it is neces­ a written statement in the House and clari­ sary, I will take half an hour. Now, I will take fied that there were no middle men, there only half a minute. The hon. member himself were no clandestine payments, there were has said that we had discussed Bofors no commissions, as far as Bofors deal was umpteen times. Now, the best thing is to concerned. In the afternoon, on some clari­ prove it. Let us not discuss it all over again. fications sought by some members, the We should not do it. Let him prove it. That is Prime Minister also intervened and by way of all. Please confine to the issue. He never a clarification, he made it clear what exactly comes to the issue. his contention was. He had invoked the talk that he had with the Prime Minister of Swe­ PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: As den. Then he tried to clarify that all these desired by you and to fulfil his desire, I will allegations that had been made were false. come to Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh also. So, on one occasion, he said, "You produce But I will come via Prime Minister. Only the the evidence and we will try to exam ine it and routes will be different. try to come to the House with the truth." This is the background. SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT: You may prove the allegations. You run here and there just When we found that the Defence Minis­ like that. You come to the issue. ter and the Prime Minister made a categori­ cal statement in this House then at a later PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, let stage, we produced certain documents. The me tell you how the Prime Minister misled former Defence Minister and the former the House. That is the subject matter. (Inter­ Finance Minister, Vishwanath Pratap Singh, ruptions) came forward with certain documents; he released them from Patna and Lucknow. He I allowed him to break my link of my gave the account no. 999921 TU. ( Interrup­ speech. ( Interruptions) tions))

SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT: If you had any No, no; only the spelling mistake was honesty of purpose, then you should have corrected; instead of PU, it was TU, but the come forward straightway and said “This is number continues to be the same—999921. my proof”. Again, not only that, but he came out with details; not only did he come out with the account no. of the Swiss Bank Corporation SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEIf and the total amount of the order of 3.2 (Bolpur): He is talking about the honesty. Swedish Kroners (it is coming to near about Rs. 8 crores), he also gave a certain break­ SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT: I said, the hon­ up. He gave the invoice no. 1014836 dated esty of purpose in the debate. 8.12.86 for Kroners 47,29,190; the second invoice no. is 1010488, dt. 20.3.87 for Kron­ PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I will ers 3,53,380; the third invoice no. is cjontinue in the hope that I will noUhave to 1010496, dt. 23.3.87 for Kroners yield to him after every two minutes. 2,71,95,139; the total comes to about 3.2 451 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 452 re. Commission by Bofors

[Prof. Madhudandavate] SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH crores of Kroners or it comes to near about (Allahabad): Yes, Sir. ( Interruptions) I will Rs. 8 crores. He made it clear that he would certify the authenticity of the document. Let be producing the documents and the docu­ it be on record and I stand by that. (Interrup­ m ents are also available. Let me tell you that tions) I have at my disposal not only what has appeared in the Press but also the original MR. SPEAKER: Look here, Mr. Te- copies of the photostat copies of all these wari... documents which the Chairman, President of the Janata Dal has already produced at (Interruptions) Lucknow and also at Patna. 0 PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Let him certify AN HON, MEMBER: Were you present that the document is correct, let him also there? certify that the account number is right, and the recipient is right. Does he certify to all PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: You those? (Interruptions) know it very well. ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. Please I wish to make it very clear that after sit down. Why are you speaking? these documents were produced, the au­ thenticity of them has not been challenged. (Interrupthns) In the past, whenever any document was produced by the members of the opposition PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Does this docu­ party, there was a prompt intervention by ment prove anything? (Interruptions) some of the members and the professional hecklers that this was the handiwork and the Let me clarify. fabrication of the CIA. But this time when the documents were produced... Shri V.P. Singh has asserted on the basis of this document, Hl prove that the (Interruptions) money has gone to the Prime Minister’s account". I challenge it. (Interruptions) There is yet no agency to purchase me. I am not so easily purchasable as it hap­ MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. pened in the case of Bofors deal. And Sir, in the case of these documents... (Interrup­ (Interruptions) tions) PROF. K.K. TEWARY: On the basis of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE this account number, he has to prove that the MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS money has gone to the Prime Minister's (PROF. K.K. TIWARY): I am on a point of account. (Interruptions) order. [ Translation] MR. SPEAKER: What is your point of order? MR. SPEAKER: Order, order, please sit down. I have heard it. Please listen to me. PROF. K.K. TIWARY: Prof. Dandavate When I had allowed point of order, in that has produced a certain document which he case also you had objected to it. claims, is released by the so-called Presi­ dent or Chairman of the Janata Dal. Since [English] the so-called Chairman is also present in the House, do I expect him to certify the authen­ He is also a member. I can overrule or ticity of the document? (Interrupthns) sustain 1t. 453 Disc. Under 19.3 KARTIKA24,1910(SA/CA^ reportedly Paid 464 — re. Commission by Bofors

[ Translation] v (Interruptions)

It has to be done according to our rules. [English]

[English] PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Mr. \LP. Singh, on the basis of this document has said that That is my prerogative. What I need is Rs. 8 crores had gone to the Prim&Winister’s authenticity. Authenticity means what we get account. I want him to standby this assertion from the real source. because he has to prove it.

[ Translation] MR. SPEAKER: I am not allowing you.

I accept neither your nor his authentic­ (Interruptions) ity. Even if you certify itv I will not accept it. PROF. K.K. TEWARY: He has to prove [English] it.

I will not take that at once. > 'MR. SPEAKER: He has already said it.

(Interruptions) (Interruptions)

[ Translation] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN­ ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF (Interruptions) HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBA­ RAM): Please allow me. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Let me speak first. I mean to say that every person needs that. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: But we have our rules. They can authenti­ It has already gone on record, that I will cate, and take the responsibility, but authenticate it. (Interruptions)

[English] SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Please al­ low me. (Interruptions) Mr. V.P. Singh has the final authentication can only come from said that he will authenticate that document. the source. That has to be decided later on. (Interruptions)...You were pleased to give your ruling that he cannot do that, unless he (Interruptions) gets the original document. (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: No discussion. Sir, whether Mr. V.P. Singh will authen­ ticate a document or not, whether you will PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Mr. V.P. Singh allow him to authenticate the document, it is has... (Interruptions) your privilege and you will decide. What we want him to say is, he may stand up at his MR. SPEAKER: No, no. No discussion. place and substantiate this paragraph which is reported as a statement made by him. (Interruptions) “The Janata Dal President today accused the Prime Minister Mr. Rajiv Gandhi for [Translation] having deposited Rs. 8 crores taken as commission in Bofors gun."Can he stand up MR. SPEAKER: Why are you speak­ and substantiate this statement?... (Inter­ ing? I am not accepting. ruptions) ) 455 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 456 re. Commission by Bofors

PROF. K.K.TEWARY: He is sitting and sonal to the concerned member. not rising... ( Interruptions) [English] SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sir, he is an hon. Member and on his honour, he must He is not authorised on behalf of the proper stand up and substantiate this statement agency. and not authenticate an imaginary docu­ ment. Let him substantiate this statement... (Interruptions) (interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please listen to me. MR. SPEAKER: It is a part of the debate... (Interruptions)

(Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Somebody can say against you tomorrow.... MR. SPEAKER: Prof. Sahib, let us be clear about this issue which we are facing. (Interruptions)

(Interruptions) [ Translation]

SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: When the MR. SPEAKER: Shri Chatterjee, you authenticity was challenged, he was ready are a lawyer. If somebody levels charges to rise. But when I am putting this charge, he against you tomorrow, what will you do? is not willing to rise... (Interruptions) (Interruptions) [ Translation] [English] MR. SPEAKER: Whatever is brought before me, I shall look into it. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: The question of authentication will not come if the (Interruptions) Member is the author of the document. (In­ r terruptions) [English] [ Translation] MR. SPEAKER: I will have to see— MR. SPEAKER: If someone levels [ Translation] such charges against you, what will you do?

— what has been authenticated and (Interruptions) given to me. MR. SPEAKER: Let me ask him a (Interruptions) question.

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Rai, please sit (Interruptions) down. Why are you irritated? [English] (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I will ask you one MR. SPEAKER: Regarding the authen­ question. I want clarification for myself on ticity of the record presented before me, I go one question. I am asking Mr. Chatterjee. If into it and see as to what has been authen­ somebody were to level .charges, false or ticated. I treat that authentication as per­ correct, against you, what will you do in my 457 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 458 re. Commission by Bofors po sition... S. BUTA SINGH: If that is not done, I wonder how Prof. Madhu Dandavate can (Interruptions) proceed with the discussion.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: I will [ Translation] concede that it is for you to decide whether a particular document should be allowed to MR. SPEAKER: I am asking. be laid on the table. But authentication is done only when something is a copy of the [English] original document. Kindly see your direc­ tions 118 and 118A. That shows that a SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: member is not the author... ( Interruptions) First to hon. Minister, Mr. K.K. Tewary’s point, he has challenged me to authenticate MR. SPEAKER: How can he be the the document.... (Interruptions) author?... [ Translation] (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Order please. What MR. SPEAKER: That is what I am are you doing? What are you doing, Bhanu saying... Pratap Ji?

(Interruptions) [ English]

MR. SPEAKER: It might be a wrong SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: thing... (Interruptions) I will answer that.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Au­ [ Translation] thentication cannot be of his own docu­ ment... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please answer my question. MR. SPEAKER: That is what I am saying, Mr. Chatterjee... (Interruptions) [English]

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Sir, SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: kindly consider it. Kindly look at your direc­ Let me be heard. tions... ( Interruptions) The hon. Minister challenged me to THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS authenticate the documents. He has given (S. BUTA SINGH): Sir, what Mr. Chidamba­ me a challenge. I have accepted it. It is not a ram has brought to your kind notice is an charge which is to be authenticated; it is a emphatic statement made by one Mr. V.P. document of proof. It is not a charge.... Singh who calls himself the President of (Interruptions) Janata Dal. And if he is present by any chance in this House, will he now, if he is a member of this hon. House, authenticate his MR. SPEAKER: That means, Mr. Vish- own statement so that the House can pro­ wanath Pratap Singh Ji, you do not stick to ceed with the discussion?... (Interruptions) the statement which you have made.... (In­ terruptions) PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Sir, you ask Mr. V.P. Singh. It is a challenge to him. He should get up and say that it is correct.... PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Chair (Interruptions) * does not participate in the debate. 459 Disc. Under 193 ^ NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 460 re. Gommissioh " by Bofors

MR. SPEAKER: I am']usj asking him. He can say ftp. [English]

(Interruptfttffef* PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Sir, since Mr. V.P. Singh has mentioned my name, yoy [ Translation] please allow him to verify.... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: <1 have to ask this. SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: He must stand by his statement, Sir.... (Interruptions) [English] PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Mr. Speaker, SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: Sir, Mr. V.P. Singh referred to my submis­ I have not finished. You please hear me fully sion. What I have said is that in the document and do not put words in my mouth..,. (Inter­ which has been circulated, he has charged ruptions) that this particular account belongs to the Prime Minister and the money was credited to that account. That was precisely his This one—Mr. K.K. Tewary’s charge. Therefore, we want that when he is point. Now, Mr. Buto£rngh and Mr. Chidam- certifying the document, he must also certify tafiam raised a point. You give me time to that the account number is correct, that the reply. I wifi reply to each point of theirs.... account belongs to Shri Rajiv Gandhi, and (Interruptions) that the money has gone to that account. That is the complete answer and we expect MR. SPEAKER: I cannot force any Mr. V.P. Singh, if he has any sense of member. It is not in my powers to force any honour, to certify the document, affirm his member. charge that yes, he stands by the charges, \ because it is on the basis of the document (Interruptions) that he has tabled the charge. Now he must come forward and affirm that the document ' MR SPEAKER: I cannot force any is correct, TffiS^charges are correct, the ac­ member. count purnb#r fsfcorrect and the name of the recipient is also correct... (Interruptions) THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF SURFACE TRANSPORT SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sir, you (SHRI RAJESH PILOT): The House can allowed me to make a submission. You force him... (Interruptions) allowed Mr. V.P. Singh to respond. He re­ ferred to me. Let me respond to M* V.P. MR. SPEAKER: If he says: “Nothing Singh... (Interruptions) doing, I have not said it", what can I do? SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: ' (Interruptions) Sir, I am authenticating my Press state­ ments and I stand by every word of it... MR. SPEAKER: I cannot force you to (interruptions) say certain things. SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sir, we want him to read out his Press statement. I would (Interruptions) appeal to you let him read out his Press statement... ( Interruptions) [ Translation] MR. SPEAKER: Let me see what is being authenticated... $ MR. SPEAKER: When he has denied, what can I do? (Interruptions) 461 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 462 Commission by Bofors

PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Sir, he has been am challenging the Prime Minister now. making hundreds of Press statements. I (Interruptions) Please call the Prime Minister want this particular statement to be authen­ now. ( Interruptions) I am challenging the ticated... ( Interruptions) Prime Minister. ( Interruptions) Let the Prime Minister be called now. Why not the same SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sir, please procedure be followed? ( Interruptions) allow me.for a minute... ( Interruptions) SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Please let PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Sir, we are me speak. (Interruptions) asking about his statement dated 6th of November, reported on 7th of November in MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. the Times of India, Patna and Lucknow... (Interruptions) (Interruptions)

[ Translation] SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sir, hon. Members on the Opposition side made a MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. Why statement... (Interruptions) Sir, please allow are you making noise? You do not know me to speak ( Interruptions) anything MR. SPEAKER: I would like to have a [English] certain clarification.

You do not know anything. I have al­ (Interruptions) lowed Mr. Goswamy... [ Translation] (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Making noise would SHRI DINESH GOSWAMY not help. Please sit down. (Guwahati): On a point of order. Sir, we have started a discussion under rule 193 and it is (Interruptions) not that because it is a sensitive and explo­ sive subject, all rules can be thrown over­ [English] board ... ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: No, no. There is no While Mr. Dandavate was speaking, he rule like that. I have to clarify about the rules was referring to certain documents and you of procedure. I can’t allow anything that goes said that the documents should be authenti­ against the rules. I can’t allow beyond the cated... {Interruptions) rules.

MR. SPEAKER: What is your point of PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: You order? cannot participate in the debate from the Chair (Interruptions) You have only to give SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: Under the ruling. rules, there is no procedure by which there can be challenges and counter-challenges. If a particular Member does not reply to the [ Translation] arguments put forward by the other side, the House is entitled to draw its own conclu­ sions. Sir, you must permit me to challenge MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Prof., I should the Prime Minister now. I am challenging the know what I am listening to. There is a Prime Minister now. I am challenging the difference between the statement given by Prime Minister even now. (Interruptions) I Shri V.P. Singh and the one given by him. 463 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 464 re. Commission by Bofors

[Prof. Madhu Dandavate] SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sir, please [English] allow me to make a submission. I only want to make one submission. The whole basis of I cannot set my rules in the House. Can this debate is the so-called evidence pro­ I? Should I? The rules are laid down by you. duced by Mr. V.P. Singh and the conclusion Now, they have given some other thing. How that he wants to draw that Rs. 80 crores were do I know which is correct? deposited by the Prime Minister in a Swiss bank. (Interruptions). He is not willing to (Interruptions) make the charge. What is this debate for? They are not willing to make that charge. [ Translation] Hon’ble Mr. V.P. Singh, please stand up and make the charge. ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: No, it is not a new statement. All of you are speaking, no one is MR. SPEAKER: Chidambaramji, when listening to me. Whatever you have given, he your turn comes, you refute it, that is all. is not ready to authenticate. What more can I say?

(Interruptions) (Interruptions)

[English] PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Mr. V.P. Singh has gone away. He is not standing by his SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sir, you charge. (Interruptions) can't allow this thing ( Interruptions) Sir, I yielded to him. Please allow me to speak. SHRI FRANK ANTHONY (Nominated Sir, the whole basis of the debate is the so- Anglo-Indians): On a point of order. called evidence produced by Mr. V.P. Singh in Patna and in Lucknow on the 6th Novem­ So far as I am concerned, all that I heard ber. The whole basis of the debate is that. is a barrage of noises. I asked somebody to Only yesterday they passed a resolution give me even a photostat copy of this docu­ saying that a new evidence has been pro­ ment purported to be authenticated. duced by Mr. V.P. Singh. Mr. V.P. Singh is here. I have got the statement of the 6th SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS (Mav- November made by him in Lucknow. elikara): Yes, we will give (Interruptions).

The whole, structure of the debate and PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir,that the statement stands on the basis of the is a Hindi document. When he needs, trans­ report of the 7th November in the Times of lation should be given. (Interruptions) India. If he can’t authenticate that statement, there is no basis for the debate at all. (Inter­ SHRI FRANK ANTHONY: Now, I heard ruptions) my friends say that he is authenticating the note that he gave with regard to the Bofors MR. SPEAKER: No, I can’t allow any­ commission to the press. thing. I have allowed this discussion on Bofors deal time and again in this House. MR. SPEAKER: No, no.

(Interruptions) (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: What can I do? I can­ MR. SPEAKER: No, he has not authen­ not force him. ticated that.

(Interruptions) (Interruptions) 465 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 466 re. Commission by Bofors

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Mr. [ Translation] Frank Anthony, if he releases a statement to the press, is he expected to authenticate his MR. SPEAKER: You can mention it at own statement? ( Interruptions). an appropriate moment. What is there in it.

MR. SPEAKER: That is what you are (Interruptions) asking the Prime Minister also. That is what you are asking others also. The same thing [English] you are asking. That is what Prof. Dandavate said and that is what I am getting answered. PROF. K.K. TEWARY: He is not pre­ pared to stand by that statement. (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: That is what I am going to do. [ Translation] * (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: What are you doing now? [ Translation] (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: See, this is a futile exercise, it should not have come to such a MR. SPEAKER: Don’t drag it too much. point. If somebody denies or admits having said something, it is upto him, what can I say [English] about it.... I cannot do. I cannot force him. (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Why are you making noise? Please sit down. You can place your MR. SPEAKER: Not allowed. I am not viewpoint later on. He made his point, you allowing Mr. Tewary. made your point, what can I do? (Interruptions) 13.00 hrs. [ Translation] You will also get an opportunity; you can make your point at that time. MR. SPEAKER: Now, it is allright. Leave it Mr. Anthony, there is nothing in it. Do not get embroiled in if. (Interruptions) (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: What can I do in it. [English]

[English] PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, shall I convey your message to him that his point of order is ruled out? PROF. K. K. TEWARY: Why should we have a debate in this House when Mr. V.P. (Interruptions) Singh is retracting from his statement? He does not stand by that statement. Why MR. SPEAKER: Sit down. Nobody is should we have a debate? allowed. 467 J)isc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 468 " ■- re. Commission by Bofors

(Interruptions) that in the course of one's speech in the House, if one quotes any relevant docu­ [ Tfanslation] ments, one can always insist that those documents might be allowed to be laid on the MR. SPEAKER: Now, let us adjourn for Table of the House. Therefore, I have with the lunch. me the documents regarding Svenska, AE Services and Lotus — all quite famous. On t English] the basis of it, it can be clearly established that middlemen were there and in the docu­ Or, should we carry on in the Lunch ment the word “Commission" was used, so House?... commission was paid and the amount and dates, everything is there — agreement, All right, we are adjourning for Lunch and receipts and everything is there. Therefore, will meet at 2 O’ clock. since I have been quoting these documents, which have been used by Shri V.P. Singh — 13.02 hrs. he has been asked to authenticate — I also authenticate these documents and seek The Lok Sabha adjourned for Lunch till your permission to lay them on the Table of Fourteen of the Clock. the House. The usual procedure is, Mr. Speaker, you may carefully go through the documents afterwards and then you give the 14.04 hrs. permission to lay then on the Table of the House and if you are convinced that they can The Lok Sabha reassembled after lunch at be laid on the Table of the House, then they < four minutes past Fourteen of the Clock will be deemed as laid on the Table of the House. I follow this procedure. But, inciden­ [MR. SPEAKER in the Chaii] tally, this is what is prescribed by the Speaker's Direction 118 and Rule 369.1 will see to it that I will comply with these rules. [English] [Placed in library. See No. LT—6869/88, 6870/88 and 6871/88] DISCUSSION UNDER RULE 193 — CONTD. Incidentally, I may remind you what your predecessors have said regarding the Commission reported to have been weight that is added by the documents that paid by M/s Bofors In Howitzer Gun are laid on the Table of the House. The Prime deal — Contd. Minister is not here. But I would like to make a reference to his father, a great Parliamen­ PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Ra- tarian who had followed certain Parliamen­ japur): Sir, I was trying to point out to the tary procedures in the Parliament. When he House that whatever was stated by the tried to expose the famous Mundra scandal, Prime Minister and the Defence Minister he actually at the initial stage only produced Shri K.C. Pant on 20th April 1987, was really 4fce circumstantial evidence and the corrobo­ the reiteration of their earlier statement on rative eyideace and only at the final stage he April 17 denying totally the existence of was able to produce the correspondence middlemen and the payment of commission between the Finance Secretary and the fi­ in the Bofors deal. I produced the documents nance Minister. There were vocal Members that have been released by Shri V.P. Singh on the Treasury Benches and some of the and since the question of authentication veterans objected and they said: "These are came, I once again tried to brush up the confidential documents. How can Mr. Feroz knowledge of my rules and the hon. Gandhi produce them and lay them on the Speaker’s Directions. Again, I got confirmed Table of the House? Some of them said: "Let 469 D/sc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 470 re. Commission by Bofors us know what are the spurces of the docu­ pa pers which was also the reckoning factor ment". Shri Reroz Gandhi then said to the in the purchase by India. ( Interruptions) over-enthusiastic Members of the Treasury Berfbhes: “I am not a fool to reveal my SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji): It is source. In that case, it will not be possible for a hypothetical example. me to expose corruption in this country". But he gave in writing to the Speaker saying: "I SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: take full responsibility for the authenticity of What is the meaning of hypothetical? (//rter- the documents which I am seeking to lay on ruptions) the Table of the House". Those documents were allowed to be laid on the Table. On the [ Translation] basis of that, the then Prime Minister said: "Accepting the authenticity of the document MR. SPEAKER: Choudhary Saheb, and the corroborative and other evidence why don’t you let him speak? that have been produced by Shri Feroz Gandhi, I will advise my colleague Shri T. T. [English] Krishnamachari to resign from the Cabinet". That is what Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru had PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I was done. I am sure, if Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru trying to point out to you that in building up were to be here today, alive today, he would my case, the Prime Minister himself is my have told the Prime Minister — of course, witness against the Prime Minister because this Prime Minister would not have been what he has stated clearly runs counter to there — but if Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru were what he has been saying. Here, I may Jike to to be alive and if he were to be office and he draw the attention of the House that the were not the Prime Minister and our present Prime Minister consistently on the Bofors Prime Minister were to be the Prime Minister, issue has shifted from position to position. I am sure he would have advised him with his Initially, he said: "there are no middlemen.” Parliamentary talent that it would be better When it was proved that middlemen were that after the production of these authentic there, he said: "no commission."When it was documents and after you made certain proved that payments were made, he said: statements... ( Interruptions) Our Prime Min­ “winding up charges." When winding up ister has given on interview to Sunday. It has charges were disproved and it was proved not been contradicted. These documents that commission was there, in that case, he have been produced at Patna and Lucknow. said: Nit must not be between Indians.” When The Sunday interview has already ap­ it was proved that it was paid to Indians, he peared. It has been quoted and re-quoted by said: “they are not politicians." When every­ a number of papers. I have here with me the thing was said and done, he scored on both Economic Times. Here, the heading is: sides and ultimately he said that commission “Genuine Work for Bofors — Commission is paid for genuine work and industrial espio­ Unquestionable..” The Prime Minister Mr. nage is also considered to be a part and Rajiv Gandhi has said that if Commission parcel of some genuine work. It was ac­ was paid in the Bofors gun deal for some cepted. He seemed to be agreeing both genuine work for the Swedish Firm then we sides. cannot question it. In our House we have on Shri Kaushal. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY Looking at him, I am reminded of an anec­ (Katwa): Two in one. dote of a judge. When a judge was function­ ing on the Bench, he looked to both the PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: In a counsels on both sides. To one counsel he lengthy interview with the Calcutta weekly said: “you are right. I fully agree with'you. "Sunday", Mr. Gandhi explained that genu­ There is some substance in what you say." ine work could be industrial espionage such And when the counsel on the other side as, gathering information against the French 471 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15. 1988 reportedly Paid 472 re. Commission by Bofors

[Prof. Madhudandavate] SHRI K.C. PANT: I have been listening started speaking, he said: "you are right. very patiently because after all he has the There is substance in what you say. You right to speak and I must listen to what he seem to be right." And when someone says. But he must not say that I spoke pointed out, how could both of them be right, untruth. That is not correct. he said: "what you say is also right.” That is what he said. That seemed to be the position PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Delib­ of the Prime Minister today. The way he had erately throughout my debate, at no time, been shifting position to position, ultimately have I used the w o rd b e c a u s e 'untruth' is coming to the conclusion that the commis­ a parliamentary equivalent of an unparlia­ sion is paid to the genuine work, he himself mentary word '...'. Therefore, I have always has been contradicting what he said on the been using the word 'Untruth*. Floor of the House on 20th of April, 1987. SHRI K.C. PANT: What Isay is that you In this connection, I would also like to tell are deliberately trying to use the word '...’ in you very clearly that PM’s admission and a more sophisticated manner. If you think authenticity of the document which has not that is all right, Okay. been challenged after so many days shows that the PM and the DM, that is, the Prime PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Any Minister and the Defence Minister, have number of times through the ruling of the deliberately misguided the House. I do not Speaker it has been established thatis think they have done it innocently. They unparliamentary but 'untrue' is actually par­ have deliberately made wrong and untruth­ liamentary and therefore I am using that ful statement in the House. And I remember word deliberately. a parallel. In U.K., when the famous episode of Profumo was going on and Mr. Kristine There is no path left open to the Prime Keeler was involved, opposition took a very Minister and the Defence Minister on this responsible position and they said: "we are issue because of the breach of privilege. You not at all concerned about the theft scandal. are not admitting my notice; of course you "They cut across all party lines that it might have not said that you are rejecting it, you be a global phenomenon. Therefore, they have said that you have written to the Prime said: "we are not concerned about the theft Minister and since you have written to the aspect of it, we are only concerned whether Prime Minister you must have felt that there the concerned Minister Mr. Profumo had is a prima facie case and there is something gjven a truthful report to the House or mis­ to be enquired into and therefore you have guided the House." When he had to admit rightly sent the notice Of privilege which was that he tried to mislead the House and reveal sent as early as 7th November to the Prime the facts, in that case, Profumo had to go. On Minister, sought his clarification; you must the same basis, Prime Minister and the have sought the clarification also of the Defence Minister for having told untruth to Defence Minister. the House on 20th of April 1987. (Interrup­ tions) I am sure in your own wisdom you will THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI decide whether the Privilege notice is to be K.C. PANT): I am on a Point of Order. admitted or not. I have got great confidence Professor Dandavate knows that 'untruth* is in your judgement. unparliamentary. ( Interruptions)

[ Translation] PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: is unparliamentary and 'untruth is parliamen­ MR. SPEAKER: Whatever is there is tary. (Interruptions) coming before you. 473 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 474 re. Commission by Bofors

[English] come out which tried to dig out the skeletons from the cupboards of the members of the PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: After treasury benches. the production of .documents and their pub­ lication in the Press, it is very clear now why MR. SPEAKER: Please conclude. this Government was so keen to bring the Defamation Bill so hurriedly. Not in retro­ PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: The spect, but in prospect now I understand why way I was harassed in the morning you the Anti-Defection Bill was sought to be should allow me a little more time. You were brought hurriedly. Because they found that having trouble, I was also in trouble in the every time they met in a session, some morning. investigative agencies not necessarily the newspapers, tried to do a lot of research and MR. SPEAKER: You are having free tried to bring out some authentic documents time now, you carry on. and they become very embarrassing to the Government and to the Treasury Benches. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: You Therefore, rightly the Prime Minister said were harassed, I was also harassed I will that they were prepared to sit upto the late also give you a little more time to make night and go through the Bill. comments from the Chair, you please give me a little more time to speak from the floor. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: We also now know why you opposed it. In the entire process, Mr. Win Chadha, Bofors Officials and in a way the entire JPC PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Yes, on Bofors also come under cloud. the Hon. Member who is trying to heckle should know that after going through the I don’t want to cast aspersions on the Parliamentary procedures right frbm 1952 integrity of individual members; but the he will find that on the floor of the Parliament manner in which the witnesses were exam­ if we are given certain immunity, it is be­ ined — those who were to be in the docks cause what the Press cannot do we can do. were called as witnesses; Bofors in the They cannot proceed only on the basis of docks, Bofors in the witness box; Win circumstantial evidence but we Parliamen­ Chadha in the docks, Win Chadha in the tarians can proceed on the basis of circum­ witness box... ( Interruptions) stantial evidence to be followed by corrobo­ rative evidence and ultimately to be crowned I have a right to differ on the floor. That by the documentary evidence and then we immunity is always there. can establish a particular case. That is why the freedom of speech and expression given SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: You cannot to us is not ordinary freedom given underthe charge the JPC. fundamental rights; but we are given this under Article.105 so that there is no con­ PROF.* MADHU DANDAVATE: That straint and restriction excepting those immunity is there. If we can challenge even framed by the rules and provisions of the the Prime Minister and any other member Constitution. here, we can challenge the collective body also and the collective wisdom of the Committee. There is nothing wrong. We are Therefore let me point out to you, it is not rubber stamps. now very clear and explicitly that the way the Defamation Bill was sought to be gone through, it was to be a protective shield for As far as the JPC is concerned, I would the treasury benches from seeing that in the like to point out... ( Interruptions)... It is very inter session period no document could relevant in this connection Sir. 475 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 16,1988 reportedly Paid 476 re. Commission by Bofors

[Translation] agent and was not engaged in any j selling activities.” MR. SPEAKER: All these things are old now. Sir, I have read these extracts for the simple reason that not only the Defence Minister [English] tried to misguide this House, not only the Prime Minister tried to misguide the House PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: No Sir. but in all humility I may allege that even the It is relevant. That way Bofors also is very JPC because the powers were not available old. After some years it will be a historical to them inadvertently also misguided this specimen; so also will be the Prime Minister. House and came to the conclusions which are in-consistent with facts. Anyway I have referred to them. Bofors had not used any middlemen — that is what SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: Sir, you they said. This is the extract from the JPC mark the words 'inadvertantly misguided the Report. House*. Can we tolerate it? I am giving a notice of breach of privilege against him. "Bofors had not used any middlemen, (Interruptions) representative or agent to represent the , company with the Indian authorities in PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: There order to win the Howitzer contract and was a debate on the findings of the Joint negotiations took place directly be­ Parliamentary Committee and when there tween the Ministry of Defence and was a debate in the House on the recom­ Bofors.” mendations of the Committee we merci­ lessly attacked the findings of the Commit­ Further on page 167 of the JPC report it is tee. Nobody can shut our mouth even in said: criticising the findings of any parliamentary committee because we sit here not as *Bofors had never paid or conspired to bonded labour of the Treasury Benches. We pay any bribes in connection with the sit as full-fledged members of Parliament. I Howitzer contract.” would like to point out to you in the end that Government totally failed to inquire into the Further It is said on page 191: matter.

“There is no evidence to show that any [ Translation] part of the winding up cost was paid to any Indian either resident in India or SHRI K.D. SULTANPURI (Simla): He abroad.” has used the word 'bonded labour*. He is a senior Member. He should use parliamen­ Sir, in our country non-resident Indians and tary words. non-Indian residents both are creating prob­ lems for our country. I hope that will be taken [English] note of. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: It is Then on page 162 the Report says: going above your head.

[ Translation] "During his examination Shri Win Chadha further affirmed as under: He MR. SPEAKER: Should I ask him to was never middleman or an agent of take off his cap? Bofors in so far as he never performed any functions of a broker or com mission (Interruptions) 477 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 478 re. Commission *by Bofors

[English] away the Defence Ministership and he tried to tell the truth to the people. In the history, PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Since I V.P. Singh’s name will gd on record as a am taller that is why what I say goes above clean man who had given vent to the con­ his head. ' science to maintain his image in public life. (Interruptions) PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Sir, it is a very serious matter. The hon. Member has tried They may try to attack Vishwanath to insult him by saying that the matter is Pratap Singh but I shall conclude by saying going above his head. The imputation is that the manner in which he conducted himself he is not understanding anything. As a sen­ when Bofors episode took place, when he ior member he should observe certain was on the Treasury Benches and when he norms. ( Interruptions) quit the Treasury Benches and joined the Opposition, his behaviour has been exam­ PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, I plary, moral and ethical. And so long as would like to tell him that I did not want to hurt these standards are maintained in the coun­ him. try, men like V.P. Singh will be able to mobil­ ise public opinion in the country. Once it is As far as investigations are concerned mobilised, there will be no other alternative the Swedish authorities have gone on record for the Prime Minister but to quit his post, go that they were prepared to help investigation and seek the mandate of the people and get processes but we have not taken advantage rejected by the people. That will be the fate of that. Again the Swiss Government has that the Prime Minister will have to meet, lam categorically said that we are prepared to sure this will happen, Sir. give necessary assistance to find out the ' facts in respect of payment of commission in SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: the Bofors deal. I do not know why we did not One point, Sir. You had asked me to authen­ take advantage of that. We know in Philipi- ticate the newspaper reports. I have done it. nes a big fraud was perpetrated by the ruler there. We find that Marcos’s entire wealth MR. SPEAKER: Which one? that was hidden as black-money in the Inter­ national financial institutions was actually PROF. K.K. TEWARY: No, Sir. I am on dug out and the facts came to light not only a point of order. Since I had raised this before Philipines but it came to light before matter, you please allow me to make a the entire world. In this case, V.P. Singh’s submission. ( Interruptions) behaviour throughout has been examplary. (Interruptions) Here it has been examplary. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: I know that they feel embarrassed. I know, ft is a very serious matter on the integrity of our experience has been the general expe­ a Member. You should allow me. rience that if one is extremely vocal on the side of the Treasury Benches, one becomes [ Translation] a Cabinet Member. After becoming a Cabi­ net Member, if he keeps his mouth shut MR. SPEAKER: Not like this. about the sins and omissions and commis­ sions, in that case, he continues to be the [English] Cabinet Minister..That is what is our experi­ ence. PROF. K.K. TEWARY: I had referred to Mr. V.P. Singh’s speech at Patna on 18th. Even when V. P. Singh was sitting on the (Interruptions) Treasury Benches, Sir, he acted on the dictates of his conscience. And when the MR. SPEAKER: I was given something time came, he spoke out his mind. He threw else. 47 9 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 480 re. Commission by Bofors

SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: whe ther he is prepared to authenticate the Now in fairness, I will request you that the report.. ? ( Interruptions) Prime Minister also authenticates his state­ ment in Bangalore that, "We have never MR. SPEAKER: If he wants to do it, I denied the commission that has been paid to would not stop him either, but I will not ask Bofors. We are looking into it." (Interrup­ him to sign it; I will not force him. I am not tions) going to force him; I cannot.

PROF. K.K. TEWARY: You permit me (Interruptions) one minute. Let him also authenticate the report of 7th November in the Times of India. MR. SPEAKER: I am not going to force (Interruptions) him.

MR. SPEAKER: He has not authenti­ SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN ‘ cated. (Interruptions) Mr. Tewari, you are (Badagara): Sir, I am on a point of order. The just forcing me. I cannot force that hon. precedent laid down in this House as per the Member to sign or give me anything. You Rules of Procedure has been that when a gave me this one. This is the Times of India, Member, private Member as distinct from a November 7, 1988. Isn’t it? Minister, quotes from a document, or when there is a demand in the House that it should PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Yes. be laid on the Table, he shall be allowed to lay it on the Table provided he authenticates MR. SPEAKER: But he is not ready to it. There is no question of anything else sign it. I cannot force him to do it. being laid on the Table. There is no question of any speech... (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Where is the disagree­ MR. SPEAKER: If the Prime Minister ment? also likes to authenticate it, I will not stop him. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: People (Interruptions) think that you had asked him to authenticate ' the speech. MR. SPEAKER: I only asked him. I did not ask him to authenticate. I never said it. I MR. SPEAKER: I did not. will not say it. I am on record. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: There is (Interruptions) no question of authenticating anything un­ less he quotes. MR. SPEAKER: What I am saying is simple and straight. I did not and I will not PROF MADHU DANDAVATE: I quoted force any Member to do that. I will not. and he has authenticated.

[Translation] MR. SPEAKER: He was writing it down; I saw him. I asked him whether he was going Why don’t you listen to me? to authenticate it or not. He said: “No".

(Interruptions) SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY [English] (Katwa): Minister gave you a paper and you sent it to him... (Interruptions) PROF MADHU DANDAVATE: Will you at least find out from the Prime Minister MR. SPEAKER: I did not ask him. 481 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 482 re. Commission by Bofors

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Why do (SHRI H.K.L BHAGAT): Sir, the Prime not you enquire from the Prime Minister Minister made a very categorical statement whether he is prepared to authenticate it? in this House itself. He said it in the House (interruptions) itself. (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: If you listen to me MR. SPEAKER: If there is time and if properly, everything will be all right. Now, there is anything concerned with this, we can please listen to me. The question is, for me, do the same thing. J do not mind it. I did not everybody in this House is a Member, force him; I did not ask him. whether he is a Prime Minister or a.Minister or even the Opposition leader. (Interruptions)

SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Let me clarify, You sent the papers to Mr. V.P. Singh at the Sir. (Interruptions) request of the Minister. Now, we demand that the Prime Minister must authenticate it. SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT: Sir, the charges Why don’t you direct him to do so? cannot be merely laid on the Table of the House. The charges have to be proved. MR. SPEAKER: You please listen to Every time you make charges and then run me properly. I did not ask him; I did not force away. You should prove what you say. The him and nor will hdo it. Prime Minister has categorically refuted all these things. (Interruptions) SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: You sent it to him. ( Interruptions) SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: You askthe Prime Minister also. It is not afair MR. SPEAKER: Why did I send? Be­ thing. I have given the Press cuttings also. cause I wanted to know.... MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Singh, as I said;... (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: You can send any paper to anybody. Is that a crime? SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: Prime Minister is not above you, Sir. Justice (Interruptions) is above you. Let him say, I will sign it. (Interruptions) SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: Will you send it to the Prime Minister? MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Tewary, will you please sit down? MR. SPEAKER: You are free to do it, Sir. I am not going to do it. You are free to ask (Interruptions). the Prime Minister. MR. SPEAKER: I will make it clear for (Interruptions) you. What stands for you also stands for the Prime Minister. MR. SPEAKER: What is wrong in it? I will send your paper also. (Interruptions)

(Interruptions) SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: The whole House has witnessed. THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- ta r y a f f a ir s a n d m in is t e r o f in ­ MR. SPEAKER: I do not know what f o r m a t io n AND BROADCASTING cuttings you are sending. 483 Disc. Under 193 < NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 484 re. Commission by Bofors

(Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Gadgil...

MR. SPEAKER: They were demanding (Interruptions) it and I sent it. What is wrong in it? It is up to you. I did not force it upon you. MR. SPEAKER: I did not ask for au­ thentication. I asked a question... (Interruptions) (Interruptions) SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: Injustice cannot be done like this. SHRI K.C. PANT: I would like to say only this. In my view, this is highly unfair on (Interruptions) the part of my friends opposite to charge you in this matter. It is not a technical matter. PROF. K.K. TEWARI: If you have the (Interruptions) courage, please respond to me. (Interrup­ tions) Listen to me. (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: You send me papers; Listen to me. There is a certain amount I will send it to him. You give me any cutting; of intolerance in the opposition. Why should I will send it to him. What is there? you be intolerant. I have been listening to you very patiently. I have been listening to all (Interruptions) the epithets that have been hurled at me by Prof. Madhu Dandavate. I have heard them MR. SPEAKER!" It is a question of quietly. debate. The point is that Shri Vishwanath SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: It was at the Pratap Singh made certain statements. Instance of Mr. Tewari and some other Those statements appeared in the Press. In Members that you asked him to authenti­ the Times of India, we read about what he cate. said in Allahabad. Now here, the whole House would like to know whether he stands MR. SPEAKER: I did not ask him. by them or not. He can get up and say that those charges are wrong, he can say that he (Interruptions) does not stand by them and nobody is going to force him to do anything. Is it not our right? MR. SPEAKER: I will not ask him. I can Is it not the right of the Members to ask send it. Neithecdid I ask you nor would I ask whether he stands by the statement? He him. authenticates certain documents. We want to know whether he stands by them or not. If PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Are you he does not stand by them, he may with- only a messenger of the Members of Parlia­ d raw... (Interruptions) ment to the Prime Minister? Don’t say that. Your dignity is involved- That will not do. If the Prime Minister is interested in the discus­ SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY sion, he should reply to our charges. (Inter­ (Mahbubnagar): In the morning, Prof. K.K. ruptions) Tewari wanted Shri V.P. Singh to authenti­ cate his statement. Then, when Mr. V.P. MR. SPEAKER: I may inform you that Singh got ready to authenticate, Mr. Chi­ I am not here to press or force the members dambaram and Mr. Buta Singh wanted him to da anything. to authenticate some press item. But the Chair was quite indulgent and quite gener­ (Interruptions ) ous. 48 5 Disc. Under 193 ' KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 486 re. Commission by Bofors

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He is tance, if it ha 6 to be authenticated, then, I referring to your tolerance! think the House, as a duty, to be informed by the Prime Minister and through you what the SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I congratu­ position is? He must either own the state­ late the Chair on its flexibility with regard to ment or repudiate it. application of rules. ( Interruptions) I am sure the rules of parliamentary procedure have PROF K.K. TEWARY: I am on a point of been stretched upto a permissible point. But order in response to what Shri S Jaipal you asked Shri VP Singh to authenticate the Reddy has said. In the morning ! raised this newspaper report. ( Interruptions) matter that Shri V.P. Singh, as a responsible member of the House — he is present here; MR. SPEAKER: Don’t misquote me. he is a man of honour — had made a certain You are taking too much of liberty. You are statement alleging on the basis of a certain exceeding your limit. I did not ask him to paper report with him, a document with him; authenticate it. he had alleged that Mr. Rajiv Gandhi, the Prime Minister of India, had a particular bank (Interruptions) account and he had deposited Rs. 8 crores into the bank account. I put this question to MR. SPEAKER: I must explain this Shri V.P. Singh. As a member of this House, once for all that I did not force any member does he stand by this ? I challenged him to to do so; I do not force any member to do so; ^ re- assert it on the Floor of the House to I will also not force any member to do so. which he did not respond; he continued to sit in his seat. (Interruptions) Even now I assert (Interruptions) that Mr. V.P. Singh has made a malicious charge. He has no courage to use this Floor SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: I am on a to affirm that charge. Therefore, if you agree point of order. that whatever he had said, is wrong, then it is all right. MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of order. MR. SPEAKER: I have heartf every­ body. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF SURFACE - (Interruptions) TRANSPORT(SHRI RAJESH PILOT): We have all the right to ask him whether what he SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: I think the had said was correct or not. rules regarding authenticity of the docu­ ments have been thrown overboard. What MR. SPEAKER: No. I had heard you can be authenticated is a document; a before, Mr. Goswami. newspaper report is not a document. If there is a Press release on which a newspape SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: You give report is made, then the Press release car me a chance. be authenticated. (Interruptions)

SHRI A.K. SEN: I agree with Shri K.C. MR. SPEAKER: I agree with you. Bu Pant that this is not a technical matter; it is-a had there been a document, I would have fundamental matter. Mr. V.P. Singh has asked him to authenticated it, because tha quoted a certain press statement in which is what the rules say. the Prime Minister was reported to have said (Interruptions) something which completely torpedoes the foundation of the JPC’s Report in which it MR. SPEAKER: I cannot hold ther was found that there was no commission responsible for what they wanted to say ( paid. If this is a matter of fundamental Jmpor- what you wanted to say. 487 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 488 re. Commission by Bofors

(Interruptions) Whipping the dead horse.

SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Ra- Don't you think that justice was done prop­ japur): This is not AICC session. erly ? ( Interruptions) SHRI V.N. GADGIL: What are these MR. SPEAKER: I have done it with the documents? I will analyse them, I will show best of my intention and everything is done that Mr. V.P. Singh has tried to mislead on in the best intention of this House and tradi­ the basis of the documents, through these tions. I would not go back on my word. things.

SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: All Now, the first allegation he had made right. We are satisfied. about payment into the account LOTUS synonymous with Rajiv, made in account MR. SPEAKER: I have never gone number which Mr. Dandavate has quoted. It back. I will leave this Chair but never go is significant that the account is of Svenska against my conscience. and not LOTUS. The first allegation is about payment into accounts synonymous with SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: I am on a Rajiv. Now, the linkage to Rajiv you can see short point of order the motive. Such an absurd argument!

[ Translation] Sir, you are a great Sanskrit scholar. You know Amarkosh. Amarkosh starts with MR. SPEAKER: Let it continue. Amara, Nirjala, Deva , — for everything there are synonyms. So, there are numberof [English] synonyms for LOTUS. You can link with anybody. And, why stop at LOTUS? What is SHRI V.N. GADGIL (Pune): This de­ deposited in the lotus? Honey. What is bate is to be understood in the context of the honey. Honey is Madhu. You can connect. pape* the person and the performance. The (Interruptions) paper is the Indian Express, the person is Mr.V.P. Singh and the performance we saw PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: It in the morning. After his inglorious retreat in should be available to me. the the morning, there is very little for me to say. The issue is very simple. The issue is of MR. SPEAKER: I cannot allow my the whole Bofors debate. Whether the best member to be hidden somewhere. gun was bought, the answer is 'yes’. Whether the best price was paid, the answer (Interruptions) is 'yGS’- The third question is wether any Indian was involved or in any way the deci­ SHRI V.N. GADGIL: Therefore, such sion making was influenced. The Bofors kind of arguments are advanced to link up Committee found that there is no such evi­ with the Prime Minister. dence. Then, there was a Session in May. In the last session nothing was raised, on the Then again, the second point is, the basis of the documents which were pub­ bank was instructed that — if possible— the lished in the Hindu. Therefore, why is it name of the depositor should not be dis­ raised now? The reason is obvious. The closed. This wasiDn 19th December, 1986. whole edifice of the National Front that he Now, what do I find from the document? That tried to create is crumbling. People are get­ the payment relates to Tul ip, not to Lotus, the ting disillusioned with him. The cart of Oppo­ bank is “MANUFACTURERS HANNOVER sition* unity is not proceeding. Therefore, TRUSJ" and it is not dated 19th December, whip the dead horse; and that is Bofors. it is dated July 1986. So, no connection is 489 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 490 re. Commission by Bofors ther e. But the most absurd thing he has done SHRISOMNATH CHATTERJEE: What is, three invoices, dated 8th December, 20th is the truth?...( Interruptions) March and 23rd March, are there. The amounts, I will not quote them again,'Mr. SHRI V.N. GADGIL: Therefore, he Dandavate has quoted. And he adds up and raised it with certain political motivation and makes Rs. 32 million. I should carefully when there is no evidence, he brings in analyse. What do we find? whisper, gossip and rumour. This is pre­ cisely what was done sometime back in PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: And England. This was described by a poet. Mr. that is part of it. V.P. Singh himself is a poet. What he says is:

SHRI V.N. GADGIL: What we find is, Actual evidence I have none actually percentage-wise the amount is on But my aunt’s maidservants sister’s son 4729190 and if you add up the commission Heard a policeman on his beat it comes to 5,48,207 and not 32 million! What Say to a housemaid in Downing Street he has done clearly is, the total amount That he had a brother who had a friend supposed to have been put in the account, is Who knew when the war is going to end. shown as the total commission. Actually what is paid is, commission on that amount. This is the type of argument. Therefore, I will That is shown as the total commission. not attack him personally. I will not say These are the kind of anything about his personal life. I will talk docum ent s... ( interruptions) about his politics. His politics is this kind of politics. As I said at the outset, I sympathise SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: with him. He is a poor fellow found in a wrong But commission has been company. When he talks about moral val­ paid...( Interruptions) ues, my request to him would be, just look at some of your colleagues, new found friends; put your hand on your heart and swear with SHRI V.N. GADGIL: These are the kind you conscience, whether there is any link of arguments that are advanced. As I said, I between what you speak and what you prac­ really understand Mr. V.P. Singh. To be tice. frank with you, I sympathise with him. Be­ cause his predicament is such that when he I would not have taken note of his wild talks of moral values, his own colleagues do and laughable allegations but for one seri­ not believe him. Therefore, I can understand ous consequence. Sir, you know the security his predicament talking about moral values environment of this county. There are forces and making all kinds of wild allegations. outside which are trying to weaken Indian polity and demoralise the armed forces...(lnterrupf/o/7s) Mr. V.P. Singh is a lawyer and at least he had a degree in law. I am not casting any PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: You are reflection; only making the statement of fact. using the jargon in the wrong Sir, the elementary principle of law is, pro­ context...( Interruptions) duction of a document is not the proof of the contents of the document. Any number of documents you can produce. What is neces­ SHRI V.N. GADGIL: I am not saying sary is to prove the truth of the contents of the wjth any motivation. I say, at least document. More production of document is unintentionally what he is doing, by the kind no use. So, he can go on producing any of campaign he is running, he is helping the number of documents, that will not lead to very forces which are interested in uncertain truth. He talks about moral values. (Interrup­ and unstable India. Therefore, I can under­ tions) stand his desire to become a new J.P. 491 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 492 re. Commission by Bofors

[Sh. V. N. Gadgil] thi s Parliament, do not descend to this level 15.00 hrs. of mud-slinging. Luck, mire and smear will bring no honour to this Parliament. I also, like anybody in politics, would have liked it. I understand his desire to Finally, Sir, as I said, I do not want to be became J.P. But I must tell him that a na­ personal. But although politically we are tional leadership and a petty mind do not go opposite, still I regard Mr. V.P. Singh as a together. You must rise above this. You must friend. We belong to the same college and in talk about people’s problems. You use this that capacity I make him one appeal that Mr. forum for people’s problems and not for V.P. Singh, you have no right to talk on throwing mud at someone. I hope he will not behalf of the people of India... (Interruptions). take offensive if I say something because I The nation is safe in the hands of Mr. Rajiv do not wish to be personal. When I was a Gandhi. Therefore, with folded hands, my student, I was fascinated by that classic Col. request to Mr. V.P. Singh is that a period of Todd’s Annals of Rajasthan, wonderful fas­ silence on his part will be most welcome. cinating book. One sentence there struck Thank you Sir. me and that sentence I will quote, not add further. Col. Todd says: A true Rajput never PROF.K.K. TEWARY: Mr. Speaker, betrays his benefactor.. .(Interruptions). Sir, this matter has been debated almost ad Who made you number two and your per­ nauseam in the House. What is important formance as number two as and what prompted my friends on the Oppo­ such.. ( Interruptions) site side to repeat their past performance again in the House is basically the statement Mr. Dandavate talked about some Min­ made by Mr.V.P. Singh with utmost defin­ isters resigning and going there and becom­ iteness and assertion at his command while ing leader. I would only like to remind him he was addressing a rally at Patna. The that a person who was charged and against assertion made by Mr. V.P. Singh was: “I whom some observations were made in the have discovered the truth for which every­ Mundhra Commission, became a Finance body has been groping for the last one and Minister under Janata Government. Then, a half years." that is, the payment, the actual there was Chimanbhai Patel of Gujarat, quantum of payment, the actual bank ac­ against whom Nav Nirman agitation was count and also the receipients involved in launched and fifty students were killed. His this. And he made the charge, I think, and I Government was brought down. Then he say, he is an hon. Member of this House and joined Janata government and has became he also has a sense of honour, personal a respectable leader. One of Mr. honour, and honour of this House which is Dandavate's colleagues from my home town the repository of the sovereignty and collec­ Poona was asked: “What about tive honour of the people of India. So, the Chimanbhai? He was supposed to be very hon. Member Mr. V.P. Singh made the as­ sinful and all that. What has happened now sertion that the Prime Minister, Shri Rajiv that you accept him as a leader ?11 His reply Gandhi, has received Rs .8 crores and the was very interesting. He said: “Janata Party account number was given and he has is Ganga nadi. So, everybody who comes to deposited this money in this bank a c c o u n t Janata Party gets purified," So, Sir, let us and from the next day, Sir, ravaging notices abolish the Indian Penal Code, let us abolish were taken, newspapers were full of reports, the Criminal Procedure Code and send all even international news agencies flashed persons to Janata Party to get themselves this news across the world. But the real purified. What kind of politics is this. I can culprit in this campaign — It has been on for understand your eye on the next elections. one and half years — has finally been dis­ You have every legitimate right to ask for closed by Mr. V.P. Singh in the real regal people's votes on various policies and pro­ fashion, in the fashion o f his Tzar ancestry, grammes. L Jtfor-jod’s sake, for the sakeof that is, he belongs to Tzar, a small feudatory 493 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 494 re. Commission by Bofors

— I would not call it a kingdom — a small , whole of the country to take notice of this feudatory somewhere in UP and in that tra­ charge which has prompted this debate in dition, he marched from Patna as a trium­ this House, the charge which has been phant victor to Lucknow and again, Sir, the flashed across all newspapers throughout charge was repeated. So, today's debate is this country and throughout the world, he not about what we have discussed in this does not stand by that. Sir, let us not forget, House continuously, almost in every Ses­ Mr. V.P. Singh and hon. friends on the oppo­ sion, sometimes twice for the last one year, site, you may not be here, I may not be here but the issue now centres round one ques­ next time. But the institution of Parliament, tion that the country must know about this the political system that has been built over much wanted national alternative of the non­ decades through the sweat and blood of the existent Janata Dal. So, this has been people of India cannot be staked for petty doubted so much. personal vendetta and here is a man who is a Member of this House and without any 15.07 hrs. qualm of conscience—because I never suspected him of any conscience at any [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair] point of time. Without any qualm of con­ science, he comes out in the public and now The people also in this country have when I put this question to you, “whether you started looking to Mr. V.P. Singh although, I are prepared to repeat your charge, would say, Charlatan's turncoats, renegades, do you say, “I will stand by that charge which I net make into a national alternative..., but have made publicly and which has been people rightly or wrongly have been looking published in al! newspapers and magazines to a certain fugitive from the Congress, who continuously ever since you made this state­ crossed over to the Opposition and from the ment at Patna, till date, you have not said bankruptcy of the Opposition for the last 40 that the charge is not correct or you have not years, they have been asserting to the said openly and you have not repeated the people of India, promising to the people of charge. You are keeping quiet. So, take India that a national alternative is round the advantage of this august House and you corner and even after 40 years what they repeat it again. Let the people of India know have come up with. The national alternative that you stand by your charge that Rajiv is an instant formation and an instant projec­ Gandhi took the money because* Rajiv tion and that too a fugitive from the Congress Gandhi has been the target of your attack, of who till the other day was swearing that only your vendetta, of your vindictiveness. By death will part him from Rajiv Gandhi. Sir, he speaking untruths, by fabricating stories—I pleaded eternal royalty for Rajiv Gandhi. So, would not say anything else, unparliamen­ what I want the nation through this Hon. tary—I would only say by fabricating stories, House to take notice of is the mettle of this by fabricating untruths, you have kept your­ famous V.P. Singh who makes a statement self in the news, in the limelight. But today I to the public in the rally of 20,000 persons In am convinced that V.P. Singh is not only Patna and when I get up in this House, I say completely devoid of conscience, he is also Mr. V.P. Singh I still believe that you deserve completely devoid of sense of honour and the honourable description of a position. Do the prestige of this House. He does not have you have any sense of odourless? Wou'd the courage. you repeat the same charges? Do you stanr by your charge that Rajiv Gandhi has tano.i Friends on the opposite were talking Rs. 8 crores and he has this amount in a about another certification or permission. particular Swiss Bank? Mr. V.P. Singh has Now the question is not of anything else. The been dragging his feet since morning and question is simply of Mr. V.P. Singh’s charge has been trying to look to Prof. Dandavate, which has kept the country agog, which has Mr. Chatterjee, all of them. He has been made the Prime Minister of India suspicious looking to them since morning. Sir, I want the in the eyes of the people. Therefore, I 495 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 496 re. Commission by Bofors

[Prof. fc.K. Tewary] SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: wanted Mr. V.P. Singh to come forward and The whole Income-Tax Department is there. take the responsibility and repeat his- charge—either own the news-item pub­ PROF. K.K. TEWARY: I do not know lished or disown it. But still he has been how many friends on the Opposition, Prof. dragging his feet and he did not have the Madhu Dandavate or have acquired such courage in the morning. Even now, he does properties in Delhi. But how come that not have the courage to say that “I stand by Mr. Vishwanath Pratap Singh during his ten­ what I said in Patna, that Rajiv Gandhi hac ure as Minister,—let him contradict it—only taken money and the account No. men­ from this meagre source of income acquired tioned by me belongs to Rajiv Gandhi.** This all these properties which are in Delhi and is the crux of the problem. Other things have which he himself disclosed? How did he been discussed. acquire them?

Mr. V.P. Singh—your track record—let I would like to refresh the memory of this country know, what you have been Prof. Madhu Dandavate that there was a doing, how you operated as a Minister. You memorandum... had been a Central Minister. All Ministers in the Government of India are supposed to MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Don’t men­ give returns. This is your correct picture, real tion the names. picture of V.P. Singh, the crusader for a clean public life. But this crusader whom the PROF.K.K. TEWARY: The problem is Opposition took for a Messiah, is a pigmy that so long as a person is in the Congress, with feet of clay. He is a pigmy with feet of he is accused of all the vices, of all conceiv­ clay and what he is ultimately I May I know able things. When Shri Biju Patnaik was in this? You had been a Minister. Tell me with the Congress, imagine Shri Chimanbhai full sense of responsibility, do you own this? Patel has been mentioned. (Interruptions). Did you ever as Minister both during Indira Gandhi's time and during Rajiv Gandhi's MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No. What is time, give your exact property return as your point, Mr. Tewary? I told you. Minister? Here is a man, who was a Minister in the Central Government, who violated the PROF. K.K. TEWARY: I am making the mandatory instructions of the Government point. I am merely addressing Prof. Madhu to submit property details within three Dandavate.( Interruptions) Prof. Madhu months. And for years and years that he was Dandavate would recall that in this very in the Central Government, he forgot it. He House when our very very dear friend Shri suffers from amnesia sometimes, forgetful­ Vishwanath Pratap Singh was Finance ness. So, he did not submit his property Minister of India, then Lok Dal Party led by returns to the Government. And the proper­ Shri Bahuguna and Shri Mulayam Singh ties that he had disclosed, I would like to Yadav and Shri Devilal submitted a memo­ know from Mr. Chatterjee or Mr. Dandavate, randum to UP Government and UP Gover­ how many Opposition leaders have ac­ nor accusing Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh quired properties in Delhi? Here is a man, of having cornered illegally against all ceiling Mr. V.P. Singh, who says that he has only 18 laws in UP about 4,000 acres of land into his acres of land spread cte Hn three districts of infamous Dhayya Ram Janaki Trust. Prof. UP and that he gets only Rs. 500/- as the Madhu Dandavate has raised this matter in rental income from his two houses at Manda this very House and Shri Vishwanath Pratap and Allahabad and that with that income, Mr. Singh has been accused of having been V.P. Singh has disclosed that he has ac­ responsible for slaughter of 10,000 Harij&ns quired extensive properties in Delhi includ­ and backward people in fake police encoun­ ing Connaught Pl*ce also. ters. I would like to remind you, Prof. Madhu

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Dandavate. (Interruptions) What has hap­ Minister, subverted all the rules and devi­ pened to those charges? ated from all angles. This is the level of his morality, of his commitment to this country, Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh is nice, his commitment to the security of this nation. good guide. Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh is He had approved the entire deal. The entire willing to go to bed with everybody from Mr. deal was approved by Mr. V.P. Singh, as a Hershman to Shri Hazi Mastan on the one Finance Minister. But, as Defence Minister, side and, Shri Vajpayee to Basu on the he said that these guns that have been other. With utmost alacrity, he is willing to go purchased are not reliable guns. I repeat that to bed with everybody whomsoever prom­ Mr. V.P. Singh is a mere puppet. He is a ises power and authority to him, and the mere puppet in the hands of those people ouster of Shri Rajiv Gandhi, if he can cam­ who are out to destroy this country and this paign for Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh. game has started way back in 1986. In 1986 itself, they started this game. Sir, you may This in nutshell isthe contribution of Shri recall that in this House during the earlier Vishwanath Pratap Singh. (Interruptions). I debates 6n Bofors, I have stated as to how wanted to avoid referring to many things. Mr. his highest office in this country was utilised Vishwanath Pratap Singh, if you recall, in and how Mr. V. P. Singh, an insider, who was this very House and outside, your new-found previously one of us, was lured away from friends on the Opposition benches will never the Congress and in pursuit of power like Dr raise these matters or write about these Faustus..(Interruptions) I think Mr. V.P. matters or anything. It was all raised by your Singh knows Dr. Faustus, the famous Greek now new friends. They had raised this matter Myth and based on Marlowe’s Drama—Dr. when you were in the Congress. They had Faustus—about his character. Dr. Faustus also said that Shri V.P. Singh owes an expla­ wanted all the places of pleasure, wealth and nation to this country as tc how as Fincnce worldly power. In pursuit of his pleasures, he Minister he was guilty of nepotism. (Interrup- sold away his soul to devil and ultimately he tions) realised that neither places of pleasure nor power, money has satisfied his hunger, his SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: goal. Ultimately he started bewailing his lot. I have made clear everything to the Opposi­ So, I say Dr V.P. Singh will face the same tion. Let Shri Rajiv Gandhi do the same destiny and he will have to face the same lot, which I had done . (Interruptions) as Dr. Faustus’faced ...(Interruptions). This is the entire matter. This is an orchestrated PROF. K.K.TEWARY: Will Mr. V.P. campaign against Shri Rajiv Gandhi. It has Singh make a clean breast of the charges been going on for the last one-and-a -half levelled against him? Mr. V.P. Singh, as a years whether it is Bofors or something else. Finance Minister, subverted all rules of his Ministry, Finance Ministry. This is the credi­ Mr. V.P. Singh can change his colour. bility of this man who levelled charges As has been said, by Shakespeare, he is a against no less a person than the Prime poor little leaf of every wind that blows and Minister openly and in public and in the with every wind that blows, he changes his House...(Interruptions). How did Mr. V.P. direction. Like the proverbial chameleon, he Singh subvert the rules of his Ministry? How changes his colour with every change in the did he find a cosy job for his son in an weather. So, this is the position. Whal American Bank.? Will he explain all these damage he has done to use? He has jumped things? How he did it? So, Mr. V.P. Singh on to the oiher side. I am only warning my owes an explanation to this House and to friends on the Opposition Benches to be this country. The person who is throwing careful of him. He has now revealed that he mud and dust on others must first explain his has ordered inquiry into the Swiss Bank own face and explain him own deeds and his Accounts of the Opposition leader. He also own track record. Mr V.P. Singh; as Finance said that he had ordered inquiries into the 499 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 500 re. Commission by Bcfors

[Prof. K.K. Tewary] Apostles. Prophet always is accompanied Bank Accounts of Opposition leaders. Now, by apostles. Look at his apostles. Hegde— some of the Opposition leaders are writing from telephone tapper to land grabber. In letters to him asking him to reveal which between Devi Lsl, Arun Nehru. I just want to opposition leader he is keeping in his mind. tell you that Mr. V.P. Singh is a pretender. He is keeping them on the tenter-hooks. He (Interruptions) has not revealed their names. Th&is the way Mr. V.P. Singh has been acting. Shri Chan­ Why not you get back to what he has? dra Sekhar, the former President of the Therefore, this Bofors debate is another Janata Party, in a recent Press Statement exercise of fidgeting and misleading. Mr. has said it is vpry easy to level charges. He V.P. Singh *akes people of India, takes their has said that it is very easy to level charges. credibility for granted. He thinks by throwing Charges levelling with this kind of impunity dusi into their eyes, he will manage to take and with this sense of irresponsibility has them for a ride and he will immediately grab already polluted the political atmosphere in the chair of Prime Ministership. Mr. V.P. the country. And it is up to Mr. V.P. Singh to Singh: it is not that easy. The way to the chair prove the charge. But row we find that Mr. is full of difficulties. Therefore, I say the taste V.P. Singh is putting his tale betwaen his of the pudding lies in the eating. I challenge legs and he is running away. He is not Mr. V.P. Singh on the floor of the House. I prepared to repeat the charge that Mr. Rajiv want the ccuniry to know his real character, Gandhi has taken the money. Mr. V.P. his real face. If he has any sense of honour, Singh, those who live in glass houses, as let him stand by his charge tnat Rajiv Gandhi you do with all your ...how much of the owns account in swiss bank, that Rajiv property... ( interruptions) Gandhi has taken money. Let Mr. V.P. Singh stand by his commitment, let him stand by I repeat in this House with full sense of his charge. Obviously, he is not prepared to responsibility that Mr. V.P. Singh has re­ stand. Therefore, I charge Mr. V.P. Singh for vealed only a tip of the proverbial iceberg. his irresponsibility of being a ** of being a Mr. V.P. Singh, in Delhi alone, has acquired hand maid, being a mere ** in the hands of property during his tenure as the Central those who want to destroy the unity and Minister which is worth about Rs. 50.00 integrity of India. Mr. Singh claims to serve crores. And much of that property, Mr. V.P. the country. I am yet to 'come across a Singh, have you revealed to the people? statement from Mr. Singh the way Mr Jeth- Therefore, Bofors debate was Drought to malani had gone to Punjab and the seeds denigrate us. Bofors issue was brought that he sowed. I was expecting Mr. Singh again to repeat the same baseless charges. that he will come out with some statement. Now it turns out that the man who starts Here is a man that he is a man whose only ignited with a sense of drama said: have one pursuit in life is the denigration of Shri everything in my back”. Also like magician ha Rajiv Gandhi and throwing dust intothe eyes carries an electronic memory bank or some of people. By this method he thinks that he thing and with that memory bank he applies will be able to mislead the people and take them to ihe noses, ears of the opposition them for a ride. Therefore I challenge Mr. friends. After that, their minds change. V.P. Singh and charge him that he is deliber­ Friends, Beware of this Magician. We have ately misleading the people of India by float­ nothing more to say except that from ing wrong information. He has no courage V.P. Singh’s background, his recent mcves,. and he is not prepared to stand by his own Mr. V.P. Singh’s credentials should be ex­ challenge. amined. Mr. V.P. Singh, you want to estab­ lish. He has promised a new Addis Ababa; With these words I want Mr. V.P. Singh - he has promised a new Jerusalem in this to be censured by this House and also by this country. Who are those people? Mr. V.P. country for his utter irresponsibility and be­ Singh came as a prophet and he has trayal.. . (Interruptions) 501 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, W O (SAKA) reportedly Paid 502 re. Commission by Bofors

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE don’t know how long he retains his new (Bolpur): Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, the filth found position because General Secretar­ and garbage which is really the substance of ies’ tenure is two to three months. One of our the speech of one K. K.Tewary show unfortu­ friends Mr. N.C. Chaturvedi was holding a nately that this parliamentary institution has Press Conference as a‘General Secretary. reached its nadir. In my humble experience He was informed by the Press that he was no of over 17-18 years I have never seen such longer the General Secretary. In the midst of a disgusting performance coming from a the Press Conference he was removed I ruling party member. He seems tc have * thought that personal abuse is the best form I had invited our very god friend Mr. of offence of those who are not having any Sontosh Mohan Dev to come to Shanti Ni- defence. He has indulged in such sanctimo­ ketan as the Tourism Minister. He fixed the nious humbugism inside this House. It is date. We were ready to receive him with big amazing that the Chair has permitted it so garlands and all that. But the very same long... (interruptions)... morning I saw in the papers that he was no longer the Tourism Minister; he had become I can understand the nervousness on the Telephone Minister without a functioning the part of the party in power. They know, telephone system in this country. This is the they are now in deep morass. People are way they have functioned. awaiting for the day when they will deliver themselves by throwing out the party in Why have we raised this question here? power... (Interruptions) None of them has touched on this. The question is, payment was made on what We heard a long discourse on the bank­ account and to whom. Certain facts have ruptcy of the Opposition. Let us see the come out. I Shall ignore forthe time being Mr. performance of the Government, their V.P. Singh’s disclosures... (Interruptions)... leader's performance, and why did Mr. This is the trouble, they don’t understand. I Tewary lose his job. said for the time being I sh^ll ignore. Let us catch hold of a greater culprit. There are two AN. HON. MEMBER: What about Ben­ culprits today here we find. One is the Prime gal Lamp thing? Minister and the other is Mr. V.P. Singh. I shall give him much greater importance SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Ben­ because he happens to be the Prime Minis­ gal Lamp is burning... ( Interruptions). Thtre ter, whatever may be the fate of this country. is a leader who has changed his Ministry Now the Prime Minister has said and what­ only 36 times in three years. It shows the ever he said is on recorf!. utter bankruptcy of the functioning of this party. He has referred to Mr. V.P. Singh This is one of the Sarkari news journals sharing beds with the Opposition. ! hope he in which it has been said that the Prime Min­ does not share beds with the Congress ister has admitted that there has been pay- * people, then he will have AIDS!V. (Interrup­ ment of commission. This.is the first thing. tions)... Now for the first time we see from this jour­ nal—Sunday of 13-19 November 1988 at I have heard so many Hon. Members Page 49—that commission whatever was and eminent people from the ruling party. Mr. paid in the Bofors matter was commission Gadgil is mucb more sophisticated than Mr. and on account of commission. This has Tewary’s usual performance. He has got really created a feeling amongst the people some finesse and now with his new found that now some other case is coming out. position as the General Secretary of the People are realising that our great Prime Congress, supposed by implementing some Minister has been consistently inconsistent programmes of the Congress Party, now the in this matter. That is why we want to raise author of Electoral Reforms proposals. I this matter again on the floor of this House. 503 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 504 re. Commission by Bofors

(Sh. Somnath Chatterjee] Now the time has shown that every word is He has got such competent Ministers! incorrect in this Government of India state­ Mr. K.C. Pant with all his suavity never ment made by no less a person than the answers a point; he avoids it very cleverly Defence Minister. Therefore, we are entitled and he will say 'I have never disturbed you, to know what was the nature of payment. why are you disturbing me?’ The way in which you put things, it looks he is the After this statement, what did Shri Arun biggest embodiment of all the virtues in this Singh say after his resignation? In fact, he world. This is not the way things are to be said that attempt should be made to recover done. it. And he said that it was a breach of faith on the part of Bofors. The result is that he is no What did he say on the floor of the longer a Member of the Rajya Sabha and is House as to the nature of this payment? spending his time somewhere near Almora What did his leader say either inside the as far away from his friends as possible. House or outside the House? What did the JPC on Bofors say and what did Mr. Arun Then, what did JPC say in its report Singh say? Did you at any point of time, Mr. which has been adopted by this House, the Tewary accept or admit that the payment of majority in this House. After decimation of the order of Rs. 64 crores was on account of the legal principles and after denigration of commission? whatever is based on law and justice, Shri Shankaranand has now become the Minis­ We all know, this is the statement of Mr. ter of Justice. What did ihe report say on K.C. Pant. The first reaction is this, where he page 191: quoted verbatim the statement issued by the Government on April 17, 1987. I quote: "There is no evidence to show that any middleman was involved irflfhe process "Government categorically deny the of the acquisition of the Bofors gun. allegation contained in a news story There is also no evidence to substanti­ based on the report broadcast by the ate the allegation of commissions or Swedish Radio and Television in con­ bribes having been paid to anyone. nection with an arms order placed on Therefore, the question of payments to the Swedish firm Bofors. The news item any Indian or Indian Company whether is false, baseless and mischievous. resident in India or not, does not arise, During the negotiations the Govern- especially as no evidence to the con­ * ment had made it clear that the com­ trary is forthcoming from any quarter." pany should not pay any money to any person in connection with the contract. That was supported by the Government. Government’s policy is not to permit any Shri Pant spoke eloquently in its favour. He clandestine or irregular payments in said that this was one of the best product that contracts." India could have spen. Wonderful prepara­ tion, wonderful finding, the truth incarnate! "Any breach of this policy by anyone will be most severely dealt with.*' Now, our Prime Minister is reported to have said that it is commission. Very inter­ And then, the famous rider: esting. Here is an interview with Shri Rajiv Gandhi. The questioner wsTs, of course, a very intelligent person, Mr. Sarkar. "The report is one more link in the chain of denigration and destabilization of our The question was: political system. Government and the people are determined to defeat this "We are not questioning the selection of sinister design with all their might". the equipment. The question is whether 505 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 506 re. Commission by Bofors

or not money was taken. Even for an dlemen. Genuine work gathering infor­ ideal choice, say a Mercedes Benz car, mation against the French weapon, for there could be considerations. The example. That is industrial espionage. question is whether a commission..." You cannot grudge them that. You canV.." The question was not allowed to be com­ pleted and the Prime Minister said: This is the Prime Minister of India and the Leader of the country and the Opposition is "... was paid. Obviously, how many accused of bankruptcy. Of, course, Sir, Rs. million Kroner — 319 was the original 60 crores is nothing for our Prime Minister. number — I think it ended up in 60 According to him a swimming Poll costs something crores. 66 crores." nothing. It is very cheap. All the pilots, most of the pilots in the country have swimming The questioner said: pools. How much does it cost to have a swimming pool, I do not know. Where is Mr. “64 crores". Tewari? I would like to have an estimation from him. Where is our Minister for Urban The answer was: Development or PWD Minister? Let us find sut how much it cost. “Whatever it was. Anyway, that much money was paid to somebody. That is Sir, the point is whom do we trust. About clear. Nobody doubts that. Nobody Mr. K.C. Pant, I have always felt how he is in argues about that. We don't question that group. that." PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He is Somebody has been paid Rs..64 crores. The here for a long time. Prime Minister does not question that. No­ body argues about that. It was paid on ac­ SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Re­ count of commission. Then, the question plying to the debate — If my question is was: wrong please correct me Mr. Pant — in the Lok Sabha on the 5th May on the JPC “But to whom? Who got the money? Report, Mr. Pant endorsed the contention of the Bofors that they had some consultancy The answer was: agreement which it had terminated because of the Government’s insistence that there The question is to whom and for what? will be no middlemen. No evidence has so If it was paid for some genuine work that far emerged, he said, to contradict the was done for Bofors, then we cannot Bofor’s version. This was given on the 5th question it." May, 1988. I would like to know from Mr. Pant, when did the Prime Minister come to It was commission paid for doing some work. know that it was commission. When did he Then, the next question: come to know that the JPC Report is not correct? Was it before that? He did not give “Oh, yes you can. Your deal with Bofors that information to the JPC and he did not made it quite clear that there would be give that information to the House and he no middlemen. So there could be no mislead the House. He allowed Mr. Pant to genuine work, they were paid for." mislead the House. H was not known before the JPC Report or even before the debate on It was a very intelligent and pointed question. the JPC Report started and he came to know The answer was: about it later, when and how did he come to know about it and who gave him that Infor­ "No, not genuine work in terms of mid­ mation, I would like to know. Which docu- 507 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 508 re. Commission by Bofors

[Sh . Somnath Chatterjee] interview in a long statement or rather a merit showed that? Therefore, why these rigmarole — if I can use that expression —„ statements have been kept back? Not a the Prime Minister tells as to why this con­ single attempts has been made by any of the tract with the Bofors cannot be cancelled. It Hon. Members from the Treasury Benches is very unfortunate that the Prime Minister of who have spoken. Shall I not ask myself or this country tells about a supplier of arms shall the country not ask itself or ask the who is dependent on our good wishes in this Government to explain how does the Prime way. Bofors were going to wind up and but Minister come to know about this? He says, for this contract, placed with them they had MNo doubt about it. Obviously it was paid". I no work and no contracts. As far as we have am quoting him. There is no denial of this so been able to find out, Bofors was saved by far although it has come out quite a few days this contract and that was why they cele­ back and this is a subject matter of com­ brated India Day in Bofors when the contract ments in so many papers. was signed I And our Prime Minister has told that we cannot cancel the contract with the Sir, our Prime Minister made certain Bofors Company and the people have been statements, as you would recall, before the told that they have to bear compensation Army Commandars. "Sweden had con­ upto the extent of one thousand crores and firmed that there was no middlemen and no therefore, we cannot touch them. Therefore, money was paid in Swiss Bank.” He told this today Bbfors knows that its contract is im­ to the Army Commanders on 27th April. mune from any action by the Government of During the discussion on JPC Report a the­ India. In future, knowing fully wel! that noth­ ory came from the Minister, one of the Min­ ing can happen to them, they may openly isters of the Government who is number one pay commissions. of the gang of four, we are told, Mr. Shiv Shanker. His theory is, of course, original Now payments have been maae on theory. We do not find him there. I hope he is account of commission. To whom was it still a Minister. He says: "Are you not aware made? Till today, Government of India haS that in many companies in this country, the not been able to find out anything except the Directors themselves keep back the^ names of some paper companies which money?” Sir, I did not know it. Speaking for have been mentioned in the JPC's report myself, I am a very humble person. He said and in the discussion here. Shri Shiv "If they had paid the money, I am sure it must Shanker said that they were hollow compa- have been ploughed back to the directors, nie 3- To a company which is not worth one which happens in this country day in and day hundred dollars, thousands and thousands, out." This is what the directors have been may, millions and millions of dollars by way doing. Now, why did you not catch hold of of commission have been paid. This money those directors? What action is taken when has been paid to companies which did not such illegalities are committed? have even a table and chair for their office. And this is supposed to be their only busi­ Therefore, Sir, the point is that at no ness transaction. Does this Government point of time the House was told that the believe that everybody will believe and ac­ commission was paid until the Prime Minis­ cept whatever is coming out of them? In­ ter admitted. We have got here the Defence stead of replying the question on merits, you Minister, the Finance Minister, the Home go on levelling all personal allegations and Minister; all of them are here. What steps making personal abuses like this. What all have you taken? Since the Prime Minister is we heard today I sure that it has been paid on account of commission, what steps have the Govern­ Sir, it is the incumbent duty of this ment taken for the purpose of finding out as Government to tell us when they came to to whom it is gone? What Temedial action know that the amount was paid by way of has been taken? Now, in the course of an commission and since then, what action has 509 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (3AKA) reportedly Paid 510 re. Commission by Bofors K been taken by them in finding out to whom it are having property and business in this was paid. The CBI is supposed to inquire into country, but they seem to be beyond the this. But, a CBI inquiry is ordered when they reach of this government, because Hin- want to protect somebody. When the inquiry dujhas cannot be touched; Suri cannot be ends, we see in the newspapers that every­ touched; Chadha cannot be touched; Bofors body is exonerated. We have the cannot be touched; Sharmas cannot be examples.The property in Switzerland has touched; Bachchans cannot be touched in now been found to be properly acquired I this country. If you prove charges against Accounts opened have been properly them, government will go on shielding them opened I Now, what has happened to the because the government says, the Prime case against Win Chadha? We would like to Minister says, yes, he is very much still my know whether it is continuing today. If the friend; any day I can utilise his services. case has come to an end, we want to know as to what has happened to the charges? AN HON. MEMBER: I will bring him What has happened to the allegations back. against the Anatronic Corporation? What inquiry, what proceedings and what prose­ SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: You cution is going on in this connection? We regret bringing Amitabh Bachchan into poli­ would like to know all these. Instead of doing tics. On pages 59 of this journal, it reads as that, you are only trying to say that Shri V.P. under: Singh is a bad man. Let him be bad. If Shri V.P. Singh is a bad man, he will be defeated "On the subject of friends, do you regret in the elections. But, for the present moment having asked Amitabh Bachchan to you cannot ignore or forget the Allahabad joint politics? verdict given by the people. Here, I am not holding any brief for Shri V.P. Singh. I am No. Absolutely, not. I don’t regret it at all. charging this Government or deliberately I might call him back again. misleading this House. I level a charge against the Prime Minister that he is taking "... Well, it hasn’t worked out too well, positions which are inconsistent with each has it? other. He has not been candidate to the House. He is guilty of suppression. This is Yes, well I think he got used by all kinds my first charge. of people.

Now Sir, Shri V.P. Singh has come out We are still very good friends. We with certain documents. I personally do not talk about all sorts of things. No prob­ know the truth about these documents. Nor lems. can I vouch the truth of these documents. He has authenticated them. It is for him to prove. Why did he ask Hindujas? Why no I only ask whether those documents are explanation was given? I am sorry. Why disquietening or not? It is clearly slated that did you ask him to resign? these are paid by way of commission. I am sure the hon. House remembers this. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: To hide his skeltons. After the JPC Report, The Hindu news­ paper came out with certain disclosures. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: When he came to know of the name of Pitco Therefore, this government owes a duty to or Moreco or something like that, I do not the people to explain the points that I have remember, or Lotus, etc. or Pitco C/o raised. Sangam, now 9 connection was established between Hinduja and Pitco - Moreco; but Now, regarding this document, I want to this government gave a clearance; Hindujas say that a proper attempt should be made to 511 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 512 C&nmis&iQn

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^ SHBi ;TH AMPAN rlUOMAS: Thei» . * SHRI GHULAM NABJ AZAD:Sir;as1ar only one point now. No answer for the deal. as Bofors issue is concerned, neither Shri V.P. Singh nor any other leader of the oppo­ • , AN JHQN. MEMBER: What about'the sition is interested in ft. Had they been ~ they Commission? would not have dragged this, matter for one and a half year in the Parliament. Wasting its [Translation] precious time and money which:is double .r than the so called ^commission which haB SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: Mr. Dep­ beerl paid in the Bofors deal. Can our oppo­ uty Speaker. Sir, I have come to know Shri sition colleagues'return that money which V.P. Singh very well during the last one year. has been wasted during the last one year I met him in Allahabad and came to know the just to keep Bofors issue alive? One of its real V.P. Singh. He tendered his resignation reasons is that they .have been* under the and J also resigned, but there was a great impression for the last*one year that the different between the two resignations. The Prime Minister Shri Rajiv Gandhi will dis­ resignations tendered by him and me cannot solve the Lok Sabha at arty time and will call be compared. Shri V.P. Singh treats whole of for the next elections. Therefore, they Uttar Pradesh as his own estate and he was wanted to drag this matter just to make an under the impression that he would be able issue of it in the General Elections.. to create a mas9 base for Jan Morcha in Uttar Pradesh. But I think he will be sad to From 1977onwardsit has become their know that in the recently held Panchayat and habit. During the emergency and uptoi977 Town Area Elections in Uttar Pradesh, the the opposition had no point to criticise be­ Congress Party has won 85 per cent and 80 cause the work .in offices was going on percent seats re s p e c tiv e ly .^(Interrup­ smoothly, the industrial production was in­ tions) . .y creasing and the law and order situation was improving. The opposition leaders spoiled SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI (Ghosi): He the atmosphere of the entire country- does not know that Congress has been through rumours and they told the publicthat routed in the Panchayat and the local bodies lakhs of their men have died under family elections. planning programme. The Minister of-Fi­ nance and the Minister of Railway of the then SHRI GHULAM NAB! AZAD: You are Janata Government are sitting here. The not in the Government and therefore, you do Health Minister of the Janata Government, not know the Government data. I know more who is no more had said that an amount of than you. ( Interruptions) Even in his con­ Rs. ten thousand or more will be given to stituency Allahabad, Congress has won those who have died in the Family Planning more than 50 per cent of seats in Panchayat Programme. Today I ask these people that if ©lections. they come into power will they be able to produce even a single person who is pur­ [English] ported to have taken commission? (Interrup­ tions) They will not be able to produce a We have won more than fifty per cent, single person. ‘including Manda. ( Interruptions) Mr Deputy-Speaker, in this way tne SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: opposition has used every possible strategy You have lost Manda ‘Block, you have lost but each of their strategies has failed They 515 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15. 1988 reportedly Paid 516 re. Commission by Bofors : t [Sh. Ghulam Nabi Azad] V.P. Singh he thought that he would be the have met with failure at every step. On behalf leader of the opposition after winning the of the Indian public and the Congress Party Allahabad elections. Unfortunately he has I congratulate hon. Shri Rajiv Gandhi for the always been a parasite. I do not know what Congress (I) 'is success in frustrating the is the Hindi equivalent of parasite, perhaps it efforts of the opposition. Through agree­ is ‘Paravlambi’. As long as he was in the ments and discussions he has strengthened Congress (I) he was second-in-command. the unity and integrity of the country. Every At that time he felt that he had reached that Indian is proud of the fact that today India is status on his own strength and popularity. a force to reckon with in the world. Our He used the 'parasite* concept again and friends in the opposition cannot digest the thought that within a couple of days of his fact that the Congress (I) has strengthened joining the opposition he would plot the down the economy of the country in comparison to fall of the Congress Government and be­ the big nations whose economies suffered come Prime Minister. But we have seen in tremendous setbacks in the past four years, the past one and a half years that Shri V.P. the Indian economy has remained stable. Singh has not organised a single public The last four years have seen floods and meeting on his own strength. Today he is drought. With the result that inflation in other depending on the opposition like a parasite. countries has shot up while in India it has In Andhra Pradesh his public meetings are remained stable. This is what they are sore organised by N.T.R., in Karnataka by Mr. about. Hegde and in Haryana by Lokdal. * When there was drought in the country SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: last yearthe entire Congress Party and each The hon. Member may throw some light on of the its members and units .... (Interrup­ the matter related to payment of commis­ tions) They cannot hear the truth. (Interrup­ sion. The Prime Minister has said that tions) while the Congress Party was collect­ commission has been paid. ing funds to provide relief to the people in drought affected areas, V.P. Singh and his SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: I am sure cronies were moving around in a convoy of that when I come to the matter of commis­ 200 vehicles. At no time has the Opposition sion you will walk out of the House. I am ever collected funds for providing relief to the gradually coming to that point. All public people affected by drought. On the contrary meetings organised by the opposition have whenever any problem befall the Indian never been on their own strength. In Bombay public the Congress Party provides assis­ it was Datta Samant, in Kashmir it was the tance in the form of cash and kind. I want to Muslim United Front from whom help was ask my hon. colleagues in the opposition, be sought. A juggler makes a monkey perform it Shri V.P. Singh or any other, if they have tricks and later pockets the money given by ever spent even one rupee on the people people for the performance. In the same affected by drought. They can spend Rs. 50 way, I would ask the opposition to beware, lakhs in holding conclaves in Kashmir or because he shall use them for the fulfilment Andhra Pradesh but cannot spend even a of his selfish motives. I think Shri V.P. Singh single penny on alleviating the suffering of wants me to quickly come to the m a t t e r of the country’s masses. What they are sore Bofors. The Bofors issue has been dis­ about is that hon. Shri Rajiv Gandhi and cussed in the House before and my hon. leaders of the Congress (I) succeeded in colleagues have spoken on it in detail. First keeping the nation stable in the midst of of all I would like to draw your attention drought and flood. So whenever they fail in towards the declamation made by him a any of their ventures they hang on to the week ago* in which he had given details Bofors issue for support. In the name of about his assets and the number of h o u s e s Bofors they fling a variety of accusations at he own. I have seen his 'Sheeshm ahal in the Congress (I) and its leaders. As to Shri Allahabad which is also called 'Luxury' Pal­ 517 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 510 re. Commission by Bofors ace. Raja Sahab, people living in glass­ SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: houses do not throw stones at other peoples’ Please speak something about the commis­ houses. sion which has been accepted by your leader. SHRI JAI PRAKASH AGARWAL (Chandni Chowk): Why is he calling him SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: During 'Raja Saha Allahabad election, I had asked a question b‘? which I want to repeat. He talks of value based politics, raises his fingers on others, K SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: Because is easy to raise fingers on others but nobody he is a ‘Raja’ and lives in a 'Sheeshmahal'. It tries to see into his innerseif. Does his own is important to add ’Raja’ to the name of a son Shri Ajay Singh have shares? This is a person who lives in a 'Sheeshmahal' Be it letter dt. 24th December, 1986. Does his the ‘Sheeshmahal’ of Allahabad, a house in daughter in-law Shrimati Shruti Kumar Manda, a shopping complex in Dehradun or Singh not have shares of Reliance Indus­ flats in Nehru Place or Connaught Place. He tries worth Rs. one lakh, thirty thousand five has declared all this himself. We have net hundred. This is a letter dated December, said anything. He has also said that from 1986 and the address is of London. This is these he has a monthly income of Rs. 2500 about 2 lakh 75 thousand of rupees. This or Rs. 2750... I am ready to give Rs. 2750 on pertains to both his son and daughter-in-law. behalf of the Congress. If it is proved wrong, lam ready to resign from the membership. These accounts pertain to SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: the period when his son resided in London That building is with the fertiliser corporation. and got ordinary emoluments and he got him It is with you. I urge you to increase its rent. appointed immediately in an American bank and shortly after the shares worth Rs. three SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: But, Mr. lakh were purchased. May I ask whether the V.P. Sahib, kindly tell us its cost. shares of such a pretty amount can be pur­ chased with such a small salary. Who helped SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: him? What was the source, where from did That building is under the control of the he get the money and who paid it? I have Government. I may accept whatever the asked this question from him perhaps tow cost Government decides. three times in a year but he has not replied to this question. Did any bank stood a guaran­ SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: Raja tee for him if so, which wasthis bank? He has Sahib, Dahia trust has been mentioned in not been able to reply this question since last this House and it has been a matter of debate one year. But it appears that he will reply it all over the country. Money was made by today. Now I want to say something about selling the trees which did not exist at all. Bofor's about which he has given a state­ Crores of rupees were realised this way. ment day before yesterday.

SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: I have also been a secretary of my state Here comes the cassette of your leader, the during my student life but I have neither seen Prime Minister. nor heard that land once donated in Bhudan movement has been taken back. This can SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: We have only be possible with Raja Manda and no been continuously listening for one and half body else can do it. years about Bofor’s. The issue has been discussed ten times here in this House. He SHRI PRATAP BHANU SHARMA has stated, that Lotus is Rajiv Gandhi and its (Vidisha): Raja Sahib kindly clarify how it account no. pertains to Shri Rajiv Gandhi, was taken back. the Prime Minister of India. He should prove 599 Di&lWutertSB ^NOVEMBER IS, 108* s tepomdlyPaid 520 m Commission by Bofors

[dfcttbiifetal Nabi Azad] son in conhectfem with the contract .1 it otherwise Ke has no flght to .defame the Rrfrne Minister inJndta and outside Indiana This was the solemn declaration Of< the Government that the company should not Shri Rajiv Gandhi is not only a person pay any money to Any person. And what the t>utthe: isJho.PrimeiMrniater elected !by 80 Prime Minister has to say Is, in his interview erore people. He cannot defame the Prime in the Sunday. ,c Minister elected by 80 crore people for his '* 6 selfieh ends by making statements at differ* "Any-way that much money has been ent pieces, He will have to prove it inside the paid to somebody.” *■■■■ 'MulRHc Parliament. If he has got no answer to this, .-•h- r.,i-,r! the way I have thrown a challenge to resign, While the Government has solemnly he should ateo say that he'will submit his declared that there should be no money paid resignation inside the Parliament. to any person, the Prime Minister said, “The '2ubnj er'ir-p.lr.fl In -H. 1 ' V)fi|r money has been given to some person!* evr With these words, Mr. Deputy Speaker, May I ask, If there is such contradiction I thank you very much. i : i - between the Government and the Prime ei siriT i.cik>no J ’ . ^ .fi^ b ; " -l" Minister, either the Government must go or [English] .qui r -nr' * i the Prime Minister must go. Both cannot co­ .wpl-ni , m: exist in contradiction with each other. The moSMRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH Prime Minister owes it to the country, and to (Allahabad): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the this House, as to what is his position vis-a-vis issue is of national interest and should be his solemn declaration and that is what the debated with the same seriousness. Here I country is asking today. Not only this. I am come with the query which is in the people's quoting what has gone on recprd having mind. They ask, ("Where has our money been said by the Minister in the Parliament gone, where has our hard earned money only. This is policy directive. This is dealing gone?" And the only answer the Treasury with commission. Benches have is that V.P. Singh is a devil. If V.P. Singh is a devil hang him but please ‘.‘Defence should not deal with any non­ answer to the people where has the money governmental agent of a foreign sup­ gone. I will start with the proof one has plier in respect of any commercial nego­ asked. I will start with only what is provable. tiations. The Prime Minister also di­ In the JPC. _(Interruptions.) rected that the foreign governments p e r t and suppliers should be told unequivo­ j4.. l will come to it. I will come to my cally about the decision. This policy documents. I will come to Prime Minister’s directive has been enforced rigorously statement. (Interruptions) by the Department of Defence with satisfactory results.” I am entitled to answer. All the day they were abusing me. Now when I stand up, they This is proven. I do not have to prove it. are not ready to listen me. It is your Govern­ But I will related it to what is told. ment which has made the statement and listen to it. (Interruptions.) Again, the JPC report comes to the conclusion after hearing the Governments On the 17th April, 1987, when the Swedish radio made this announcement, it "It was thus seen there was no doubt was said: whatsoever in Bofors or in the Swedish i- Government about the Governm ent of “During negotiations, the Government India's policy fhat no commission or any had made it clear that the company agency fees should be paid in r e s p e c tof should not pay any money to any per- contract secured from India.’* p* 521 Dja&yndar 1d3 KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid ' 522 re. Commission ty Bofors

^pAndlMither{wye,to prove butl merit Of middlemen,'of pay—offs or of" have to enumerate itjnthe context otunderwj lbribes or commissions, we will take standing of what has happened to this coun­ action and we' will !see that nobody try. however high-up is allowed to go free.*

The JPC has come to the,conclusion on This is the word of the Prime Minister in * P. 175 the Parliament, documented here. He said ' that there was no need of proof and asked to H No direct evidence of documentary just give the evidence. We will give the proof; • . ^ proof is available to sustain the allega­ Proof also means disproof* Here, I demands tion that the payments made by Bofors as a Member of Parliament and a citizen of are of the nature of bribes orcommjsv this country, from the assurance coming sions paid to middlemen.” from the highest Executive of the country In the highest Body of the land that you bring! The Prime Minister told the Army Com­ evidence arid we will give you the proof. I can mander op 27th, April last year, as just now give the proof for payment of commissions. Shri Somnath Chatterjee said, that no mo­ It is this document that I have authenticated.^ nies have been paid into the Swiss Bank. As ProOf. Dandavate said, these documents reveal payment of com mission. Where does'■ The JPC tells the country that the the Prime Minister's word stand' now? It is> Committee thus finds that a total 319 million not the question of money what we are'" kroners were paid by Bofors to the Agent in losing. It is the very credibility of our country the context of Indian contractors' winding up we are bsing when we have a Prime Minister costs. While this is in connection with the who gave such an assurance in this House. Indian contract, the Prime Minister has said Today, as a Member of Parliament in this — if there is signing of every statement in the House, I ask for the Proof ...(Interruptions). ' newspaper, it was for the Prime Minister Am I right? I have put my signature on the b either to sign it or deny it — that payment documents and on every statement. What * was in respect of agents global commis­ do these documents show? I am not going sions. The JPC says regarding Indian through all of the pay-offs. The JPC says that commissions, global commissions may not even conceding the theory of winding up— have had anything to do with the Bofors deal already it is wound up—, then the under­ itself. This is .the Prime Minister. This is the standing is winding up charges once... once JPC. One is the Government version and the you have gone to assess the whole contract, other is the version of the Head of the Gov­ giving a lumpsum and paid for it. (Interrup­ ernment, both running contrary and on docu­ tions). This is what we have been assured by mentary proof. They are asking for proof. the Prime Minister. He said that he spoke to There are documents. Olof Palme and ensured it. But now it has been revealed that middlemen were paid off. PROF, K.K.TEWARY : You should not The whole country understands this. A per­ be nervous. centage-wise commission was paid. Docu­ ment after document has been submitted SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH before you for each supply and they are after : Mr. K.K.Tewary, you will surely enjoy. This 1986. The JPC says that whatever winding will make you nervous. The Prime Minister up charges were there, final payments have has said it and it is recorded in JPC on p.7:- been made within 1986. This has been told to the Parliament and to this country. Here, I come to the House with irrefutable evi­ " And like Pantji has said now, you show dence that not winding up charges but us any evidence, we do not want proof. commissions have been paid. Commissions We will bring the proof. You show us any have been paid continuously even after what evidence that there has been involve- ’ the JPC says — in 1986 and 1987 itself. If 523 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1989 reportedly Paid 524 re. Commission by Bofors

[Sh. Vishwanath Pratap Singh] hi s own deeds is destroyed. He is destabili­ this be so. then, what has been told by the sing the minds of the people and the minds Prime Minister to the country? What has of the country. No one. else. He is destabili­ been told through the JPC to the country? Is sing the army. When such things come and it not the right of the person even in the the brute majority ... ( Interruptions) remotest hamlet to ask this House and say find out what these documents are and what SHRI PRATAP BHANU SHARMA the truth is? It has to be judged. Instead, we (Vidisha): You people are demoralising the call names. You hang me. But. you cannot army. (Interruptions) hang this country — the expression of the people of this country. This document is MR. DEPUTY - SPEAKER : I have about payment of commission. It says; allowed Mr. V.P. Singh to speak. Please take Commission due to you on materials sup­ your seats. plied to the Secretary to the Government of India. Ministry of Defence dated 19th Febru­ (Interruptions) ary 1987. I am not going into the amounts. Again it is said: Commission due to you on SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH materials supplied to the Secretary to the : The country has lost hopes, all hopes from Government of India, Ministry of Defence, the present Prime Minister. But here is this according to your invoice specified. There assurance of the JPC which is a body of this are five payments— February 1987 and very House and it has said: ‘no direct evi­ March 1987. Again it says: Commission due dence or documentary proof is available to to you on material supplied to the Secretary sustain allegation for payments made by to the Government of India. Ministry of De­ Bofors which are in the nature of bribes and fence, according to your invoice so and so— commission." Now here is a JPC, a body of 16th March 1987. Again : Commission due this House. I appeal to this House. This body to you on material supplied to the Secretary of JPC was made part of this House and it to the Government of India. Ministry of De­ has said that it has no documentary evi­ fence, according to your invoice specified dence of commission. It has come to that below— two payments dt: 20th March 1987 conclusion. JPC or a new JPC. Here is the and 23rd. 1987. Again: Commission due to information that they need for the enquiry. you on material supplied to the Secretary to Therefore, in the circumstances, it is now the Government of India, Ministry of De­ proved and you wanted proof that the Prime fence, according to invoice below and there Minister has not spoken the truth to the are about eight to nine payments on 20th country continuously. For whom was he not February 1987. May I ask, can these both go doing it? Let me ask. He has now come out togetherthe assurance of the Prime Minister to say " I have never denied commission." I in this House that you bring evidence and I want him to deny his statement which is will give the proof? Here is the evidence and given in Bangalore. And pat comes after two here are the words of the Prime Minister and days that the Prime Minister had not said so. here is this House. Where do we go from And finally he comes out with the theory of here? This brute majority can squall it. I have genuine commission. The law of the land is nothing much of a hope afterthe debate. I am that there will be no commission for genuine very clear about it. But this voice will be work. And there will be no commission. This heard. This is a question in every working is the law of the land. ( Interruptions) people's mind and it is not only all this. When such things come, people in your chair have to rise above all because what is lost is not S. BUTA SINGH : Which law? only money. What is lost is credibility, the values in public life and also the future fame. - SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH After all. the Prime Minister is a focal point of : This is your statement on the floor of the the country and that credibility by his act and House. 525 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 526 re. Commission by Bofors * * S. BUTA SINGH: You must be knowing to their own assurance. certain laws as an ex-Finance Minister. The Prime Minister himself has said that SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH you show us any evidence that there has : I have to go back to all that you have said. been an involvement of middlemen or pay­ The Government on 17th said that during offs or bribes or commissions. I have shown negotiations Government had made it clear evidence of commissions. He said: that company should not pay any money. Any money means any money to any person "We will take action and we will see that In connection with the contract. This is what nobody however high-up is allowed to has been stated and I quote it again for you go free" are asking me to quot. ( Interruptions) I demand that Prime Minister should SHRI. S. BUTA SINGH : Is that a law fulfil his assurance and his word. But he will ?(Interruptions) take action otherwise, I know. Whoever will show the evidence, he will take action I am not a lawyer. Mr. Chatterjee can against him. If there was any honesty of this say whether it is law. Government, then it should immediately declare a new JPC to go into all these SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: documents to see—if it doubts—its authen­ When Mr. Buta Singh will be allowed to ticity and blacklist Bofors. Why I am saying is exercise this own judgement, let him come to not like a mere punishment or one incident of me. I will explain to him .(Interruptions) deviation. Once you do it, it will go and project. I am not saying, keep the gun for SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH future. Why can’t you blacklist Bofors. Shri : Between the policy of the land and Bofors, Arun Singh demanded it. He was the Minis­ the Prime Minister has chosen to stand by ter of State forDefence. he was a patriot. He Bofors rather than the policy of the land. But know Defence and still he could demand it. the country will stand by its own policy and I make the same demand. (Interruptions) will not stand by Bofors. We were hunting on That is not penalising the Bofors. But for whose behalf was he acting. We were hunt­ future, no company will dare to pay commis­ ing who the Bofors agent is. The Bofors’ sions or kickbacks because it will know that agent is identified. That is one who even in India you can be hurt more grievously. against the policy of his own Government, Others, who are paying now or might be protects Bofors and stands by it. paying, will also recoil but perhaps that might be with much vested interest with this Gov­ If this breach has been done, then it has ernment. I doubt very much it can take this been assured in this very House. This is challenge. That is one aspect which it just again the JPC’s report. That’s why I am cannot touch. going only by the recorded matter: Sir, the procedure has been laid down “ Defence Secretary further stated that about how the JPC would take evidence. the Government of India would disqual­ And I must say with all respects to the JPC ify a firm in case it came to notice of the that there was a very important piece of Government of India that agent has information which is not reflected, at least to been appointed by a foreign firm.” my reading. If I am informed, I will be very happy. About the termination costs, Mr. This is an assurance by the Govern­ Shankaranand asked Mr. Morberg: Why did ment for disqualification of the firm. There you pay it even after the agreement? This is has been a violation. Commissions have what Mr. Morberg has to say: As Mr. Gothlin been paid and proven against the policy. I has told you, we have to take some natural demand disqualification of Bofors according consideration if there was a contract or not. 527~ DisQ.UjnderliS NOVEMBER 15, 1988 ^ 528 ~ re. Commission hv Bofors

[Sh. Vishwanath Pratap Singh] them afid.put ^uph questions as they will be , Th^t means whether they wilj get a contract pleased to come out. ( Interruptions) This is o f not get g'cohtrci'ct. $n that/thetermlnation the great document vykvch Mrw Somnath costs dyp^rided^Wa Ha^e to pay the term!-, Chatteyee said that it was furnished to us as n ^b n vcosts,;jn both the situatibni—rlf we final document: haW an ohderancj if we do riot have arieorder. * -i- ■ ■- 1 ...... Naturally, there have been another ternntna- vo“ I would request the hon. Members that tipn cost: i^we had not received aqprdet:. This r:u when when, you put questions to theiiv\ w^s'khown.You deny this' This w^ss^id by "let them not feel offended. Let them riot, Mr1. Morbergf ItTias fiot lieen reflected by the ._feel insulted.",. ^ JPC. Obviously, he was saying that this ■ >n: , u termination cost is nothing. He is saying. If I That is how the JPC went about with it. Even did ribtget this contract, it would have been after this great mollycoddling, what more different. If 1 got contract, it is different. He came about is not reflected in this. It plainly is'blatantly saying that I am paying a says that this commission envisages that commission for the whole thing," It is on before the contract, it would have been one record, termination cost and if the contract was completed, the termination cost would have ^Interruptions) been different. 4 ^ ^

SHRI G.G. SWELL: (Shillong) It should J am ready to be prosecuted for using be fcid on the Table of the House. this material.

SHRl^THAMPAN THOMAS ; This I may even be sent to Tihar Jail, but I shouldbe known to everyone in the country.^ have the satisfaction that I am serving my Nqbody knows about this. country.... ( Interruptions)

SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH , THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS­ : Sir, the'JPC says: It is for the fir^t time in the TICE AND MINISTER OF WATER RE­ history of independent India— that’s why I SOURCES (SHRI B.SHANKARANAND): f ?el yery sad that it has happened For the first He has taken my name: let me say a word. time; It has happened to the body of this Hbuse; —that a Committee of both the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : After he fin­ House of Parliament has been constituted to ishes. go into the question of alleged pay-offs in the Defence acquisition, namely, purchase of SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH Howitzer... : Many things have been said. Instead of debate on Bofors, it has become a point for For an inquiry of such a magnitude, the debate from that side only. There is some committee follows the procedure. Here lies reflex action and I cannot help it. I would, the magnitude. It spells out how it will go however, not go into it further. What I would about it and each witness has to be recorded say is that they have got all the investigative verbatim. It is there in the procedure. How agencies and I will cooperate with them to didjthe Chairman go about advising the find out the truth..(/nte/Tupf/ons). whole Committee? Mr. Shankaranand is here. You may deny it . I challenge you to do that. The Chairman advised the Members PROOF. K.K.TEWARY : Are you a by asking questions: We should not create common criminal that you want an investiga- an impression in their mind. We are cross- tidn against you. You are a public man. You examining them. We are not going to create are speaking on the floor of the House. an impression in their m'ind that we are Certain question have been addressed to offending them. We are going to persuade you and you must reply to them. •2$ '" KAfrrikA24. teportodlirPftkf 530 re.'GbfiiriiSssion : -’ by&ofors '

‘^e^HHr¥fSf^ARATOPflATAPStNdH1 your position? You do tibthaVe the courage GbVernmentof to speak truth...( Interruptions). You ^h’&vS 0 Ihdla with 411 the powers; you hfeive got power acquired a lof of land and property. Yo\j are * in many States also and you, a Minister at the trying to wriggle out ..'.tlrher&F>tion$) Centre, are crying helplessness (and, be­ seeching rhe. 1 have never dome across SHRI. GHULAM NABI AZAD; He must such a situatfon. give us the proof about the Lotus Account number that 1 he hasi;been'talking'about. PROF. ^.K.TEVVARY: It is your respon­ Nothing short of that ...(Interruptions) sibility to prove what you have said ( \nterrup:> tions) PROF. K.K.TEWARY : We have heardJ enough of it. Now, you mgsttell us about the SHftl VISH^VAN ATH PRATAP SINGH Lotus number. Whose rmmber are they? f : You have got all the evidence and the facts And how you have been changing‘your with you; you can take action agairtst me. statements every day? (Interruptions) ...(Interruptions) SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAPJSINGH SHRI GHULAM NABIAZAD: Yoii must : Sir, on the floor of the House, I have^ give us the proof about the Lotus account authenticated the documents that 1 have 0 you have been talking about ....(Interrup­ been given to the Chair. About the cqmmis- tions)^ sion and so on, fresh evidence is now on: record and it is before the House and action PROF. K.K.TEWARY: This is character" should be taken on that. I have also authen­ assassination, You cannot get away like ticated the newspapers’ reports and cutting this. Whatever you have said against the and given to the Chair, And, Sir, I have Prime Minister, you have to prove ...(Inter­ demanded that the Prime Minister 1 also ruptions). should authenticate his statement. I have 1 got a cassette also with me. He should } SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH authenticate and tell the country whether he : The Prime Minister has gone contrary to all f tells the truth or not. He should tell as to the policies of the country. The facts th a t' whether the statement that was marde in1^ have come out have shown that he has not Bangalore is correct or not and whether He been telling the truth. ..(Interruptions) speaks truth or not. With these words ! conclude my speech. Sir. T hank 5 SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD You yo u. ( Interruptions) change your statement every time. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK : Whereas SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH the proof? : The JPC has not brought the true facts. The documents which I have authenticated THE GHULAM NABI AZAD : Sir, I have * throw a lot of light on the facts and there Is said that I will resign from my Parliamentary need for a new commission. The laws of the seat if my allegations against his daughter - land are being violated and Bofors should be in-law are proved wrong (Interruptions) blacklisted. We are against corruption, but corruption is a very small word to be used for this. There is a loot by certain unpatriotic PROF. K.K.TEWARY: Mr. V.P. Singh people of the interests of the country and that should accept this challenge. is what we are fighting against ..(Interrup­ tions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I cannot force to respond. PROF. K.K.TEWARY: What have you done in terms of acquiring land and misusing (Interruptions) ^ 531 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 532 re. Commission by Bofors

PROF. K.K.TEWARY: What about the he has property worth Rs. 50 crores in Delhi charges levelled against him? He does not and that he has never submitted any details have the courage. He must respond to the about his property, will he refute it? Let him personal charges that have been levelled refute it. against him. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It is left to the I am ready to sell all my property for Rs. 5 Hon. Member. I cannot compel him. crores.

PROF. K.K.TEWARY : We have given y PROF. K.K.TEWARY: Mr. Deputy the proof. ( Interruptions) Speaker, Sir, when was this property ac­ quired by him ? Is it not a fact that Shri SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: I would V.P.Singh acquired this property as a Minis­ like to place the document on record and say ter and not by giving proper accounts? (Inter­ that the proof which has already been ruptions) proved, he should prove ( Interruptions) SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK : Sir, he has Since they have raised the point about the been misleading the House. D?hiya Charitable Trust, let me answer it.(Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Please or- der, order SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: First you answer about the shares (Interruptions) SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: PROF. K.K.TEWARY : Sir, there are I will answer it. I am coming to it. rules in the House. Why are you silent? (Interruptions) [ Translation]

PROF. K.K.TEWARY : Sir, whenever I will answer to all the points one by one. personal charges are levelled against any Pleased listen to me (Interruptions) Member, he gets up and make clarifications. Now, he is silent. He does not has the SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: He want courage. ( Interruptions) to Mr. N.T.R. , I want to ask him why did he go there? It is a matter of great shame. PROF. K.K.TEWARY: Sir, the charges (Interruptions) against Mr. V.P.Singh are proved beyond doubt because he has declined to respond. For the last cne-and-a -half years he has SHRI V. TULSIRAM ( Nagarkurnul): Mr. been declining to respond. Deputy Speaker, Sir, why these guilty people, who have also taken commissions MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: What can I of millions and billions of rupees, are shout­ do? I cannot compel him. ing in the House so loudly? Perhaps they are shouting so Loudly because we did not take (Interruptions) bribes. These people should be ashamed of ..(Interruptions) 17.00 hrs.

SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: It is clear PROF. K.K.TEWARY: Now, should we from your words what amount has been take it for granted that all the charges about taken or better you can ask Shri N.T.R. as to Shri V.P. Singh with regard to land-grabbing how much amount has been bribed off. and nepotism are all true ? Now, if I say that 533 Disc. Under 193 re. KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) Personal Explanation 534 Commission reportedly Paid by Bofors by Shri. f t Shakaranand

[English] initiating the discussion, the motion was about the documentary evidence regarding SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: payment of commission under Bofors gun Let me answer Sir. They raised the point deal and the reaction of the Government about the Dahiya Charitable Trust. thereto. This was the subject matter of the discussion. ( Interruptions) [Translation]

Please listen to my reply ( Interruptions)

SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: Answer PERSONAL EXPLANATION UNDER my question first about the shares. RULE 357 BY SHRI B. SHANKARAN- AND SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: I am coming to it. I will cover one by one. 17.05 hrs.

Sir, with allthe responsibility, lauthorise [English] the Government to forfeit all the property of the Dahiya Charitable Trust and put the THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS­ memhers of the Trust behind the bars. TICE AND MINISTER OF WATER RE­ SOURCES (SHRI B. SHANKARANAND): . PROF. K. K.TEWARY: How can you say Since Mr. V.P.Singh took my name.... {Inter­ that? ruptions)

SHRI S. BUTA SINGH: It is very brave PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Ra- and generous of Shri V.P.Singh now to offer japur): Are you withdrawing your Report? the Dahiya Trust for public action when he has sold even the non-existing trees on the SHRI B. SHANKARANAND: Since Mr. property. He auctioned five lakh trees when V.P.Singh took my name in the course of his there is no tree on that land. You can fool a speech and he threw a challenge at me, I few people with this kind of Jugglery and this was simply wondering till today where was kind of tamasha. But you cannot fool the Mr.V.P.Singh when the inquiry was going country for all the time to come. on. I never expected this from Mr. V.P.Singh.

[ Translation] SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (Bolpur): Mr. Buta Singh is prompting him. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: You don’t worry. I will answer to all your SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY points one by one. And when you will listen (Mahbubnagar): Mr. Shankaranand was to this cassette, you will cut but a sorry figure. also prompted in the Committee. (Interruptions) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Don’t [English] spoil his case.

SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. DEO THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (Parvathipuram): Sir, I am on a point of (S. BUTA SINGH ): Because you have al­ order. What is the debate and what is going ready spoiled Mr. V.P.Singh. on in this House? Is this debate about the personal credential of Shri V.P.Singh? SHRI B. SHANKARANAND: I fully (Interruptions) stand by the Report which was presented to this House. ( interruptions) Mr. V.P.Singh PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: While never made anything to support his conten- 535 .Pm&HilGxptonattonig^£jQYE!4Bf:R #9?

_ [Sh._B..Shankaranancj] ^ tions) *l$n4h&tftem port bHheJPC Ts HpV6a.$ed ' ...... i.S.nBUTA- SINQH/ vYou'jVyerp ,not the /jHorh^ Minister,. P^fe38prr, you vyere the f cfpril thjrik He has made (hat remark. Railway Minister. .You have never‘beeq to the South Biock. 1 SHRI VISHWANATH' PRATAP felNG'H: May I authenticate this now? (Interruptions) SHRI B. SHANKARANAND. Mr. , V-P^inghxievpr appeared before the J. P. C. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Let him deny Neither did he write to us, "I want to give A^lptfirruptiqnsl . evidence,” <

'§HR(VfeR\WA^THPRATAP'SINGH: SHRi S. JAIPAL REDDY: Why tfid you He should say yes or no. That was only the not calL^m? private matter; it is a public prpperty. He must say, yes or no. ( Interruptions) S.BUTA SINGH: We called everone of you, but you rvever came. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please take ycujr se^ts. Haye ypu finished^? SHRI RAMPYARE ( PANIKA (Robertsganj): Why; shall weoall him?.: - £ |^M A R A N A N D :4 cannot Stip^.Thave to answer it tx, L f-l y, • ' ; | p., I k SHRI B.. SHANKARANAND;, Mr. Reddy, the report has shown what you are. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Who Please sit down. We have written much drafted this Report? ( Interruptions) Jt about you in the report itself.

SHRI G.g'.SWELl! (Shillong): You can- SHRL Sr JAIPAL REDDY: You, agreed npt provoke jus like th^$. ( Interruptions) with Mrf Win-Chadha in the report. (Interrup­ tions) , SHfil SHXtiK^RANAND: Don’t you 4 ft[nk thatyduhave Jost yourself when you SHRL B. SHANKARANAND: Let any­ nafe sipjn^ on that side ? (Interruptions) body say that the findings of-the JPC are not based on evidepqe pn record. SHrtl 6 .G. SWELL: If you want to pro­ voke us, 4 will speak. ( Interruptions) SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: What I said or not, I have been asking right ir!'1 SHRI1 B. SHANKARANAND: In the or wrong, they, have beep asking abput pri­ .Report it has been shown that the Bofors vate affairs,.yet I am coQperati^g on the floor ^pprtyapt was signed on the recommendation of the House with all the responsibility. But ' of Mr. A/.P.&ingh. himself as the Finance this is in public interest!.) swearr what you Minister. The then Finance Secretary said," said, right or wrong, this is public interest. On f.yye briefed the Finance Minister.” this depends the inquiry and national inter­ ests are there. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Wrong! (Interruptions) .i;> 8-,W f PEPUTY-SPEAK^R: vvny.areyou Interfering? Lef him s a y . ^Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER T haye npt allowed him. Why are you yielding?, SHRf^B, SHANKARANAND: ltds ex- ^ecte^J ot-ja M ini^r^w^p held the,Fiance SHRI VISHWANATH P ^ t / ^ ' S J ^ H : portio^p injhp GoYe^nmpnt of India thaj he Whether Morberg said or not, (Interruptions) 1 tftpqp signs, % iftiteijup- -jTyou see the, r«(^ntjL^ 9t .^ll jfwjding up .53.7 Pepocial Explanation by Shri, B.r Shakaranand .^38

Charges are on this theory,. . S K R j^^W A N A T H PRATAP.SINGH:

4t/i; ^ f lR p ^ ‘SHAfjKARANANiy: r w ilf^s- -xijme'aftdr;fr 6 fiplshe^ his speebh. 4-fas 'fie SHRI EC SRAN'kARANAND: Vou must finished dr nbt? ff h ^ partis to sp ^k, ybu listen. Ypu must Jisjervto me now.. ... may’allow hirn to speatf?r ■ ■ , ■ “V.fV ) \ *>:u> i !i SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS: Ybu say, I will listen to you. You come to the point. winding up ch .rfl. s. T •' , ■ - ,JrV 9 0 , 1( ;,SHRl t B,1 SHANKARAN)\NCj; Do npt MR. DEiPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Tham- , provoke me to say something e1s^.' ' J pan Thomas, you are waiting .ths time. "shRi: k -'K unnikrishnan ‘SHRI SqMNATH CHATTERJEE: l/h e (Badagara)rpieasedo,t please(Jo.. ’ oh a’personal 6*planafic5rt or Is Ke lnterv%n - ' . ’.O- .1 ‘ ' . j >’ * ■ I ing In the debate ?1 If he Is on a personal SHRI B. SHANKARANAND:"let rtie explanation , 1 h'e taust only answer jfte deal wiih this, only what you have said. pointed question. Because, as ChairVnkri he Otherwise it is not good. 1 w ill be something saw to it that only soft and Comfortable also. queslion^ should be put to the witnesses from Bofors. That is the point. Has he said it? PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Do not If he is on a personal explanation, he cannot blackmail us. go on making a speech. SHRI B.SHANKARANAND: V d o not MR. DEPlIjTY-SPEAKER: He is only blackmail anybody. ( Interruptions) , Be­ explaining it. cause, for mapy long years, he, was with me bn this side.'.Perhaps, l .know foanythings SHRI B. SHANKARANAND: I do not which he did not know. 1 know why Mr. Somnath Chajterjee is agi­ tated so much not Mr. V.P.Singh. SHRI1 k.P UNNIKRISHNAN; Through innuendoes he is trying to say something. 1 SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Be­ cause you are misusing the floor of the SHRI B. SHANKARANAND; We are not House. ( Interruptions) discussing Mr. V.P.Singh.

SHRI K.P.UNNIKRISHNAN: What are SHRI B.SJHANKARANAND: Are you you doing? Ask. Mr^K.K.Tewary, not misusing the floor? If we are misusing are you not.hfiisu^ing the floor of the House? I am also a member of the House , SHRI B.SHANKARANAND; The only intention of the Committee was to extract as much information as possibly by persuading MR^DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nobody can those people* Otherwise, they may refuse to misuse the floor of the House. Mr! Shankar- give evidence. ( Interruptions) We wanted anand you come to the point and finish it. the information, full information from these people^ Now is it not the purpose of the Committee to find out information from SHRI B .’si^NKARANAND: I should U=,.»0: 1 0. 1 la say that. Shri V.P.$ingh has said about the them? exairJnatipn of the"witness$s..He wanted to make that a.poinCr W 9fyvante,dJp got full inforrpatioh' from’ these. peopl s'Xthterrup- SHRI G.G. SWELL: By crawling before tiqnel - . ,.n ; 539 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 540 re. Commission by Bofors

SHRI B: SHANKARANAND: Mr. Swell, appeared in The Hindu', which was dis­ I have got very strong words to speak for you. cussed here earlier, so much has been said Do not do that ...(interruptions) already on the so-called numbers, etc. What is the latest provocation, for which this dis­ SHRI G.G. SWELL: You are free. Go on cussion has started. I think we should restrict ...(Interruptions) ourselves to that under Rule 193 (Interrup­ tions)

SHRI B. SHANKARANAND: The only PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Prime purpose for this committee was to find out full Minister’s admission. ...(Interruptions) information about the entire contract. What­ ever was possible, we did But the motive he SHRI VASANT SATHE: All right, I will is attributing to the Chairman, I entirely ref­ come to that. Mr. Dandavate has earlier uge it. lam not speaking out of frustration like today said that the Prime Minister must be you Mr. V P.Singh. treated differently from other Members. That means, in the eyes of the law, the Prime Minister has the same position as any other citizen. What is the elementary principle of 1 M61/2 hrs. law? If any one levels an accusation or a charge, the burden of proof is on him to prove [ Translation] thai charge. This is the elementary provision of the law ....(Interruptions) DISCUSSION UNDER RULE 193 SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Ex­ Commission reported to have been cept in the case of Defamation paid by M/s. Bofors in Howitzer Gun Bill.. (Interruptions) Deal— Contd. SHRI VASANT SATHE: That has been THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI withdrawn. Fortunately it has gone. VASANT SATHE): Sir, we are once again having this Bofors ...(Interruptions) Today I read that an eminent leader of one of the parties says that although this is 17.17 hrs. the normal law of the land, for the Prime Minister the burden of proof changes. I [SHRI SHARAD DIGHE in the Chaii] cannot understanding this. Today the crux of the matter is that a square allegation has Sir, Mr. V.P.Singh was very eager when been made publicly in Patna by the so-called he resigned" that he wants to fight corruption leader of the Janata Dal Morcha. So many and that is why he brought this matter.” He names yet to change. What is the allegation said that this House may not be told the truth, made and this is what I want to come to. The but the people of the country want to know allegation made is that the Janata Dal Presi­ the truth. Therefore, he has been raising dent—this is the report—Mr. Vishwanath these is jues not only in the House but in the Pratap Singh today accused the Prime Min­ public.. (Interruptions) ister, Mr. Rajiv Gandhi, of having depos­ ited— every word is important—Rs. 8 crores Sir, Bofors has been discussed for such taken as commission in the Bofors Gun deal a long time now. It has virtually been reduced in his Swiss account. This is the square to bluffers. What is the essence of the matter charge made publicly by Mr. V.P.Singh. Is today? (Interruptions) this a small, non-serious matter? Further talking to newsmen here today, Mr. Singh In addition to what has already ap­ while reiterating his charge, said , he w o u l d peared in JPC Report and what has already renounce his political life for ever if the Prime 541 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 542 re. Commission t>y Bofors

Minister was able to prove his innocence— has no such account. Let him say so. Let him it came to that if this information is wrong. He have some courage. What are we debating? said, he had more secret information, etc. We are debating in generality the credibility Then he further goes on to say about the of this country, the character of the leader of Lotus account and gives the account num­ this country. The leader of this country, the ber 00021 TU Swiss Bank Corporation, Prime Minister, has categorically publicly Geneva. I would, therefore, want Shri denied that he has no such account either in V.P.Singh—and this is what I was waiting Swiss Bank or in any other foreign bank. the whole day and the Speaker also began What are we shouting about in this House by asking him—to authenticate this very and outside? The question was — and that document which he has publicly stated and is where he could have held this Govern­ which has been reported. He says that Prime ment to account two things — that did the Minister, Mr. Rajiv Gandhi, has deposited Government buy a weapon — the question eight crores of rupees in Swiss Bank Corpo­ of morale of the army is concerned — which ration, name of the Corporation also, in his was not fit for the army, or which was not ..... account called Lotus which in Sanskrit (Interruptions) means Rajiv. These are your specific charges. These are your words. I would like SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Basirhat): the hon. Mr. V.P.Singh to say in this House’, Who says that? because then the question of Privilege and all that will come, that he repeats this charge SHRI VASANT SATHE: V.P. Singh squarely against Mr. Rajiv Gandhi that Mr. himself publicly says that the Government Rajiv Gandhi has deposited in his account bought a weapon which demoralised the number 99921 and named Lotus this army. amount. I was hearing very patiently his entire speech. I was waiting. He produced SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Are you re­ the tape. He produced this and that. He ferring to the Bofors gun or the German produced those documents. The documents submarine? which he was reading, were all there. This is nothing new. They have been produced in SHRI VASANT SATHE: Yes, I am The Hindu. They were referring to the Bofors gun. So much was discussed... {Interruptions) A man of credi­ said about comparatives. He quoted another bility was talking that the Prime Minister has General and about comparatives. V.P. lost credibility. O.K. fine. Mr. V.P.Singh is the Singh has gone on record in public speeches latest man of credibility in this country. Now saying that this gun was not a proper gun, not a man of credibility must show some ele­ a nood gun, and he also quoted one other mentary courage to at least repeat what he General. But here, in the JPC, when the has said publicly in this House. What debate inquiry was made by the Parliamentary can we have; what discussion can we have? Committee, two persons, who know some­ A concrete allegation with documentary thing of the army, Gen. Arora and Jaswant proof is made against him. Mr. Ghulam Nabi Singh, were called. Jaswant Singh himself Azad produced a copy of the deposit of his fired the gun because he knows what it is. All son and daughter-in-law with account of them have said that this is one of the best number etc. signed. All that he is asking him guns and the best weapons that this country is, come on Mr. Credible, come on Mr. has bought... (Interruptions). Indrajit Gupta Honest man come on Mr. Cleanest man of Ji, two points arise. What are the people of the country, the saviour of the entire opposi­ this country concerned with? First and fore­ tion, come on now and say at least honestly most is the quality of the gun and second Is - and it is only three lakhs of rupees and not the price — was it bought at a reasonable much.'Come on and say that this is either price. No one has stated that the gun was not true or is not true. Let him say that his son no bought at a reasonable price. Actually the has no such account, his daughter-in-law amount was slashed down substantially in 543 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 544 re. Commission by Bofors

[Sh. Vasant Sathe] undertake a number of works and program­ negotiations. This is what has come on rec­ mes for the country. Perhaps Sh. V.P. Singh ord. That is also not the allegation. The third is thinking that if midtermpoil is held in haste, and the most important thing, I agree, is that the people out of fear will come with him, but if anyone could say that this person in the we give you a period of one year. Tomorrow Government, whether Prime Minister or a meeting of another opposition party is Defence Minister or X or ‘Y’ has taken a going to be held. Mr. Bahuguna, Mr Ram- consideration — call it by whatever name dhan and many others are going to as­ you like: commission, fee, this or that — for semble there. You may continue to change giving this contract, then squarely a case is from one party to the other. You require made out. Indirect evidence and other things nobody’s help because you yourself are whether commissions were paid or not, quite self sufficient. Mr. Madhu Dandavate, whether there were middlemen or not, I please remember one thing... (Interruptions) personally feel are irrelevant. And that is why I was happy that there is for the first time a AN HON MEMBER: You speak this to leader of the Opposition coming forward your party, (interruptions) publicly and saying: "You, Mr. so and so — Vasant Sathe or Mr. Pant and now actually SHRI VASANT SATHE: I am returning the Prime Minister, Mr. Rajiv Gandhi — have the same coins to you. That is in your tone. taken Rs. eight crores and put them in the There is a maxim that "Ungrateful person is Swiss account." This is an allegation which a foe to his own benefactors. Even in San­ must be taken serious note of. Correct. We skrit the same thing is described like this all will take serious note of it. If necessary, by “Ankam Aaruhya Suttam hi, hatwa kim nam appointing a committee or by whatever pau-rusham”. There is no bravery in killing a method, we will ourselves find out. But the man who has trusted you. This man whom I elementary requirement is — I think Indrajit have repeatedly mentioned here and whom Gupta Ji will agree and Madhu Dandavate Ji Shri Rajiv Gandhi had given the regard of an also will agree — that this was the best elder brother and Mrs. Gandhiji also used to occasion for Mr. V.P. Singh to say that yes, rely, used to say ------" Indira ji is my mother he repeats that Mr. Rajiv Gandhi, the Prime — she is my mother (Interruptions).....He Minister of India took Rs. eight crores as used to recite, "Tiranga jhanda, Vijayi consideration in Bofors and deposited in this Vishwa tiranga pyara and it is my flag and I account in Swiss Bank. Let him say that. But will remain fully devoted to it." These are the he does not have the guts he does not have words he had uttered in the A.I.C.C. meet­ the courage, he does not have the courtesy ing... (Interruptions) Rajiv ji is Shankara- because he does not have any-other proof. charya for us and my only leader is Mr. Rajiv All that he has produced in those old things Gandhi... (Interruptions)... which have already been published and which do not show anything, and they were [English] not under discussion. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: You [ Translation] had also said the same thing about the socialist great plan, but you threw away that Bofors has been discussed for such a and came to this. long time. Now the country has no more interest in Bofors as it i? an unending affair. SHRI VASANT SATHE: You have also Perhaps you think that by making Bofors a done that. (Interruptions) scandal and matter of controversies, the Govemmont will hold the midterm poll but I [ Translation] tell you that the Government will not hold any midtermpoll. The elections will be held at the To which d y n a s t y he belongs? D oes he end of the full term. The Government have to b e l o n g t o Raghuvansh or C handravansh.... 545 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 546 re. Commission by Bofors

(Interruptions) (Interruptions) He has fled from the field.... ( Interrup­ AN HON. MEMBER: HeisaRaghuvan- tions) shi. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: You talk about SHRI VASANT SATHE: "Raghukulreot your Prime Minister. Why do you speak like sada chali aai, pran jaye par vachan na this. You should think twice before you jaye". As I have said just now “Ankam Aar- speak. You should not give such a chance to uhya Suttam hi, hatwa kim naam pau- others. You say that Shri V.P. Singh hasfled. rusham". He has betrayed his benefactor. Where is your hon. Prime Minister? He is Perhaps he thinks that opposition is sterite missing since morning. ( Interruptions) and without any leader to head it and he will become the head of the opposition, if he SHRI VASANT SATHE: You are the changes over to it and thus all including Mr. follower of 'Nataraj'. You are the follower of Madhu Dandavate and otners etc. wifi take a Chief Minister who sleeps on the pave­ shelter under his feet and he will be able to ments. Please sit down for a while.« exploit them. Mr. Hegde also joined him but I may tell you that traitor is always a traitor. SHRI V. TULSIPAM: You are talking As he has betrayed his leader, so he will do about Bofors or about the people who sleep with you... ( Interruptions) on the pavements? What does it mean? You talk about the people who sleep on the PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: As you pavements. You sleep on the pavement. If I have done with the socialist movement want to produce the documents against you ;Interruptions) it would be a large number of them. I can give proof of your misdeeds. I can submit a big [English] bundle to the Hon. Prime Minister containing the evidences of your obnoxious activities. You have betrayed the Opposition. What are you talking about? (Interruptions) SHRI VASANT SATHE: A thrashed [ Translation] army resorts to rampage. Shri V. Tulsiram and our other hon. friends are piqued. We SHRI VASANT SATHE: He is". should not deal with such persons. (Interrup- ' tions) [English]

•* [English] His latest qualification is of the first order. (Interruptions) SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY (Nal- gonda): Where is the Prime Minister?,... [ Translation] (Interruptions)

A person who can say something out­ [ Translation] side the Parliament but does not have the courage to repeat the same in the Parlia­ ment House, what can be said about him and THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ he has been entirely exposed. The media of TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN­ the country should at least bring all this to FORMATION AND BROADCASTING light. You have grilled this much. He could (SHRI H.K.L BHAGAT): I have already not show any courage and fled away. First stated in this House that I do not have any he is** secondly** and thirdly, a deserter. account whatsoever... (Interruptions) **Expunged as order by ther Chair 547 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 548 re. Commission by Bofors

SHRI VASANT SATHE: The Hon. counted money. If you honestly want to Prime Minister has stated the same inside serve the country, then you should unearth this House and outside as well, (interrup­ that money. If you indulge in character as­ tions) sassination, it will affect you as well. You will not have the courage to save yourself. You do not have even the guts to unearth some [English] of the amount. You charge us publicly but you do not have the courage to repeat the same inside the House. You do not make MR. CHAIRMAN: One at a time. your intentions clear in this' regard. You should repeat and clearly define the charges SHRI VASANT SATHE: As I said, the in this House. When your commander has man who made the charge himself is not fled from the battlefield, then what can hap­ willing to reiterate it in this House. He does pen to the soldiers? Whom are you defend­ not deserve the presence of the Prime Min­ ing, Prof. Dandavateji? ( Interruptions) ister in this House to reply to this** (Interrup­ Please, let him go. He has not charged. It is tions). How can be reply to it? (Interruptions) I who has done so. It is Shri V.P. Singh who has done it. But Shri V.P. Singh does not PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He have courage to repeat the charges which himself is not in Parliament. Even Parlia­ he has levelled. He has not produced even ment does not deserve his presence. (Inter­ the necessary evidences here in this regard. ruptions) He has said that he will be prepared to substantiate the charges. It takes two to S. BUTA SINGH: The man who does make a quarrel. They also have skeletons in not have the guts— their cupboards. If evidences are not avail­ able about them directly, then I will produce SHRI VASANT SATHE: I am not saying the evidences of their own relatives... (Inter­ Parliament. I am saying... (Interruptions). ruptions) You, the defector, you may go. The man who does not have the guts, he What can I say to you? (Interruptions) does not deserve the presence of the Prime Minister. We are good enough to meet this. [English] The Prime Minister is not required to face** and a** man. Therefore, I sincerely hope, Today we are not discussing V.P. Madhuji, Singh. When that comes, if that comes at all, + we will be able to say many things about him. [ Translation] But today the small matter was this. Again I end with this. The crux of the matter today That you should pay attention to serious was and the whole country was with bated matters sometimes at least. Let us come to breath and the entire media which wanted to matters relating to the nation building. This report tomorrow were watchihg with bated will not do and neither will it be in the interest breath, MOh, here, now V.P. Singh will say of the nation. Do some introspection. This something which will be worth reporting will not be of any benefit either to you or to the tomorrow." But what happens now. Simply, people in the opposition. I would also say it has fizzled out like flat soda — all his that the House should consider all these enthusiasm. Therefore, I believe that this matters sometimes. Before I went outside should be the last occasion when anybody for a medical check-up, I had w r i t t e n a l e t t e r would e v e r utter the name of B o f o r s a n d to all of you. I want to submit very humbly and bluffers because the main person has with­ politely even today that we should talk about drawn — not only the charge by not repro­ nation-building. You say that Rs. 40 thou­ ducing it but has withdrawn himself from the sand crores are there in the shape of unac­ House. ______**Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 549 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24,1910 (SAKA) reportedly Paid 550 re. Commission t>y Bofors

the appropriate time." [ Translation] [Translation] THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S. BUTA SINGH): Mr. Chairman, Sir, the Sir, if this supreme body of the country background of the subject which is under is not an appropriate forum to discuss and if discussion in this august House today is today is not an appropriate time for this, then regarding the allegations made by hon. Shri what else can be a better place or time to do V.P. Singh, who is a Member of Parliament, it? Shri V.P. Singh has left the house, but I during the course of his public addresses in would like to ask Shri Dandavatd, and I have Patna and subsequently in Lucknow that the quoted, in which he has said that he would Hon. Prime Minister of India, Shri Rajiv furnish it at the appropriate time. Which Gandhi has an account in some foreign bank forum and time are appropriate in your view, and the alleged kickbacks received in the when Shri V.P. Singh will furnish the proof. Bofors gun deal have been deposited in that account. He has made another startling Did he talk to you or tell his greatest announcement today. He has said that he advocate Shri Somnath Chatterjee about would prove that Hon. Shri Rajiv Gandhi this matter? does have a foreign bank account. I will retire from public life if I am not able to prove this. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: lam This point is being discussed in the House not anyone’s advocate. ( Interruptions) If at today and Prof. Dandavate, Shri Somnath all I am so, I am an advocate of 'Janata* (the and many other hon. Members have tried to masses). give it a new twist by feeding new facts and the subject under discussion in the House is S. BUTA SINGH: He also belongs to being discussed for a long time and an 'Janata Dal’, today you are his advocate. authoritative reply thereto has already been given by the Government. A high-level SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: lam committee of this august House presented a an advocate of 'Janata'. report on this subject after going deep into it and today that report is being referred here. S. BUTA SINGH: The manner in which This implies that a horse is being put before Shri Dandavate and Shri Somnath Chatter­ a cart. Prof. Dandavate and others, treading jee have tried to defend Shri V.P. Singh the path of Shri V.P. Singh who the misled today, I really pity these stalwarts. Today you the people, will also try to mislead the House are very happy at having selected Shri V.P. today by raising the charges levelled by Shri Singh as your leader. Just now Shri Vasant V.P. Singh. But this will not be possible Sathe and other hon. Members, Shri Ghu­ because it is very clear in the press state­ lam Nabi Azad, Shri K.K. TewarY etc. re­ ment given by him. This should be discussed ferred to the properties of Shri V.P. Singh’s. in the House today and therefore I would Since you people ask for proofs, are these mention it in the House today. proofs not enough? I did not want that any personal discussion about Shri V.P. Singh is [English] made in the House today, but if you want proof, I would like to present them. The "Janata Dal President Mr. Vishwanath foremost evidents against him comes from Pratap Singh today accused the Prime Min­ Shri V.P. Singh’s wife. I do not know her ister Rajiv Gandhi of having deposited Rs. 8 name nor do I want to mention her name crores taken as commission in the Bofors either, because the name of the person not gun deal in the Swiss account. He said he present here should not be mentioned. had more secret information about Mr. (Interruptions) Gandhi’s personal accounts with the Swiss bank, and that he would divulge the same at I would like to present a proof coming 551 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15. 1988 reportedly Paid 552 re. Commission by Bofors

[S. But Singh:] S. BUTA SINGH: We will not have a from Shri V.P. Singh’s wife. certificate for you because we know your life- partner is a much more respectful person. His wife had filed an affidavit under her She will not give a certificate like this to you. signature in the Allahabad High Court, and What I was saying was that you wanted the reason of that affidavit was that Shri V.P. proof. This is a proof on record from no less Singh donated his land under the great a forum than the High Court of the State of bhoodan movement either on your advice or which he happened to be the Chief Minister being misled. After the land was donated, his for a short while. wife approached the Allahabad High Court and said that her husband was an insane. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: You Her affidavit is in the Allahabad High Court. should not refer to my wife. She is not in this (Internjptions) House. ( Interruptions)

[English] S. BUTA SINGH: She is our very re­ spected sister. She is doing a laudable job,.. "Smt. Sita Devi filed not only an affidavit (Interruptions) This is one proof. I will give but she filed a writ in the Allahabad High another proof... ( Interruptions) I will give Court claiming that her husband Shri anothei proof, another proof is no less a V.P. Singh often suffers from bouts of person than Shri V.P. Singh himself. Shri insanity and it was during one of these V.P. Singh was talking about the Dahiya bouts he had wrongly donated his land. Trust. You know what he has said on Dahiya The claim of bouts of insanity was fur­ Trust. You will be just surprised. This hon ther substantiated by a discharge slip Member, to save some property, had goneto from the Agra Mental Hospital.” ( Inter­ the extent... ( Interruptions) May I, with your ruptions) Permission, say what he has said on record? — Family Trust. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (Bolpur): I am on a point of information... SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Basirhat): (Interruptions) Did this Government appoint What is this? an insane person as Finance Minister and Chief Minister? (Interruptions) S. BUTA SINGH: My notes. For Family Trust whose Kartha was the Mother of Shri S. BUTA SINGH: You talk to Prof. V.P. Singh. Dandavate, who is going to appoint him something of the President of the Janata SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: You have Dal, which is yet to be born.... Janata Dal authenticated it. You are telling about his President, National Forum Convenor and wife, ivs mother. Have some respect to what not... ( Interruptions) We have discov­ them. ( Interruptions) ered and it has been proved... ( Interruptions) S. BUTA SINGH: What can I do if they They wanted proof. What could be a better are part of the proceedings in the High proof than the affidavit of the High Court? I Court? I know that tomorrow when I am am not making any allegation (Interruptions) going to talk about Shri N.T. Rama Rao, I am going to quote from the High Court. What can I do? These are the things in the High MR. CHAIRMAN- Ordsr please. Let court. I have to dp it, unfortunately. This is the him speak now. most unpleasant duty when you have to eVpose the truth. You have to expose the (Interrupt io: truth. You will have to.. In that fam ous Dahiya Trust case, Shri V.P. Sirgh himself PROF. MADHU DANDAVA. b. I do not went to the extent of disowning his own want your certificate. Peof;'1 * know it. mother. ( Interruptions) 553 Disc. Under 193 KARTIKA 24, 1910 (SAKA) repor tedly Paid 554 re. Commission by Bofor*

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: What is guish ed colleague Shri Sathe about the this? Has this anything to do with the Bofors proof. This is the proof. When I quote the case? ( interruptions) proof, 1 is very bitter. ( Interruptions)

S. BUTA SINGH: It is on record. Be­ SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: cause he wasthe Kartaoi that Trust, he said: You talk about the interview. "my family has nothing to do with the Trust.” (Interruptions) S. BUTA SINGH: I am coming to that interview. Have patience, have guts and PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Has it have courage to listen to the truth. (Interrup­ anything to do with Bofors? There is a limit to tions) it. (Interruptions) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Mr. S. BUTA SINGH: They wanted the Chairman, are you convinced that this has proof. Am I not entitled to give proof which something to dc with the subject matter? has been on record? On the record, the proof is nothing else but Mr. V.P. Singh himself. MR. CHAIRMAN: Allegations are made (Interruptions) by both sides.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: This is (Interruptions) the level of a Cabinet Member. You can imagine what will be the fate of others. (Inter­ S. BUTA SINGH: Mr. Chairman. I am ruptions) only giving just a few instances of the man who made these reckless charges. S. BUTA SINGH: I do not bother about what they have to say. But I have stated the In any case. I am not a lawyer. Luckily, facts and the truth is always bitter. (Interrup­ I have never been to a court. But I under­ tions) stand that in a case like this where reckless charges are made, the other party’s counsel PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: We is free to probe into the personality who is have neve: uttered about the individual life of making such charges. Mr. V.P. Singh has the Prime Minister nor his mother, nor his made reckless charges, politically motivated father and nor his grand-father. There is a charges and I have every right to expose in height to which he can repiy. (Interruptions) this House what kind of a man Mr. V.P. Singh is. And what I am stating is nothing new. I am S. BUTA SINGH: He claimed that his not making any counter charges. What I am family has nothing to do with the Trust. trying to put before this august House is a (Interruptions) picture of the man who stands by the truth, honesty, by integrity. And I will not repeat PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: A how he has been termed in a writ petition by Cabinet Minister sinking to that level. (Inter­ his own wife. These are the things which we ruptions) must know that kind of personality thaf Mr. V.P. Singh has and the opposition was ask­ S. BUTA SINGH: Mr. Dandavate, when ing the proof. I am prepared to give the proof. you ask the truth, we have to say the truth. Mr. V.P. Singh last week declared his assets How bitter it is, it is only known to you. in Delhi. (Interruptions)

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: What THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has it to do with Bofors? (Interruptions) DEPARTMENTOF POWER '.N THE MINIS­ TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALPNATH RAI): S. BUTA SINGH: They asked my distin­ From where did he get? 555 Disc. Under 193 NOVEMBER 15, 1988 reportedly Paid 556 re. Commission by Bofors

S. BUTA SINGH: I am not going to exa mine. I will list the property which has not question it. Authorities will question it, if it is been declared by Mr. V.P. Singh. If the referred to any authority. I am going to put a Opposition is so concerned about Mr. V.P. question on the additional property that Mr. Singh, may I pose a question to Mr. Somnath V.P. Singh has in Delhi. (Interruptions) Chatterjee and Prof. Dandavate? I will not touch his declared property. Are they willing SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: i am to advise Mr. V. P. Singh at least to exchange on a point of order. In what forum, in what his undeclared properly with mine? circumstances will that be discussed and decided. If that disclosure of asset is wrong, SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: certainly, Government can take any action What about your properties? against him. But the question is 'et the de­ bate on the subject be continued. Let us not S. BUTA SINGH: Yes, I am prepared. I allow a deliberate attempt to derail the de­ am not asking for his declared property, but bate to any other point than Bofors. It should the undeclared properly that I am going to not be permitted. list, are they willing to advise him to ex­ change? 18 hrs. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: When MR. CHAIRMAN: No point of order. he has referred to his mother; he Is capable of referring to anything S. BUTA SINGH: I am not going to comment on what Mr. V.P. Singh has de­ S. BUTA SINGH: I have not said it, Mr. clared ; I am not going into the details. It is for V.P. Singh said it; it is not we who have said his colleagues to believe whether that is true that. It is Mr. V.P. Singh; to save a few acres or not. But I am entitled in this august House and a few trees, he has disowned that great to add to what he has not declared. person to whorn he was born.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Buta Singh, how [ Translation] long will you take? Today, the condition of that poor fellow S. BUTA SINGH: I will take anotherone is that he is nowhere. You have finished him. nour, may be a little more. (Interruptions) (Interruptions)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: We SOME HON. MEMBERS: Now we are are not going to sit. It is already 6 O’clock. not going to sit. Let us continue tomorrow Sir. (Intei rupt ions) MR. CHAIRMAN: For one hour we will extend and have the rest of the debate MR. CHAIRMAN: The House stands tomorrow. adjourned to re-assemble tomorrow at 11 a.m. SOME HON. MEMBERS: No, Sir. Let us continue the discussion tomorrow. ( Inter­ ruptions) 18.03 hrs.

S. BUTA SINGH: I am not going to The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven mention about his declared assets; that is for of the Clock on Wednesday, November the appropriate authorities and lorums to 16, 1988/Kartika 25, 1910 (Saka)

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