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The Yosemite Killer and the Abduction of Steven Stayner.Pages Cold Open: The Yosemite Killer! And the Abduction of Steven Stayner. That’s what we’re Sucking today. Some think Cary Stayner might have been able to avoid his dark urges if some horrible events hadn’t happened to him and around him as a child. Key word: might. Cary Stayner was born to seemingly normal middle-class parents Delbert and Kay Stayner in Merced, California, in 1961. And Cary seemed to have had a fairly normal upbringing until, when he was eleven, two things happened: he was molested by an uncle and his little brother, Steven Stayner, was abducted by notorious pedophile and kidnapper Kenneth Parnell, who kept Steven and molested him for seven years. Seven years. While these years were absolutely more horrific for Steven, it was also seven years of Cary living in an emotionally broken home. A home where his parents didn’t pay attention to him and the media was constantly covering his brother’s kidnapping. Where neighbors and classmates stared at him and asked about his brother. Seven years of that. Cary found respite in Yosemite National Park, camping and hiking in the mountains. It was the only place he felt at peace, even after Steven was returned to the family. Then there would be even more tragedy. Steven would die young in a motorcycle crash. And Cary’s uncle would get murdered - a case that’s still unsolved - while Cary was living with him. Then Cary would kill four women in the spring and summer of 1999. And then thankfully, he’d be caught before killing at least three others he’d already made plans to murder. Was Cary Stayner always destined to be a killer? Or did his brother’s abduction, and his molestation, and his Uncle’s murder all combine to push him him over the edge? And what the Hell went on during his brother’s seven year long abduction? What was Kenneth Parnell doing to him? Who is Kenneth Parnell? Two Sucks in one episode today. Really three. The kidnapping of Steven Stayner, the story of Kenneth Parnell, and the murders committed by Steven’s brother Cary, on another true crime edition, of Timesuck. PAUSE TIMESUCK INTRO I. Welcome! A.Happy Monday: Happy Monday Meatsacks! Welcome to the Cult of the Curious. Be glad you’re last name isn’t Stayner this week. Or, if it is, hopefully you’re not related to Cary Stayner. If you are - be glad you’re not like, a sibling or parent. Or - if you are - holy shit. Sorry your family experienced so much tragedy. I’m Dan Cummins, Suck Nasty. Your Suckleberry. And you are listening to Timesuck. Hail Nimrod, Lucifina, Bojangles, and Triple M. And Hail you, you beautiful bastard. Recording again in the Suck Dungeon out of Couer d’Alene, Idaho - weather has been NICE and it lifts my spirits. Happy to be alive today. Happy to be telling a tale of tragedy, and not living through one. Thanks for all the kind messages about the Papa Ward Suck from last week. Not sure why there seem to be technical difficulties with that episode. It’s like a bunch of pollen, or onions, got mixed into the rss feed somehow. Lots of reports of that episode fucking with people’s allergies and eyes. Lot of grandparent love coming out of the messages. I’ll share some in today’s updates. B.Merch: Emu war “No Mercy” shirt and 14 oz stainless steel water bottle in the store at Bad Magic Merch dot com. Sweeeeeeet. The picture Logan made of a militant Emu cracks me up. All kinds of fun stuff at Bad Magic Merch dot com! Thanks for supporting us there. Love seeing all the pics of you wearing Bad Magic Merch. C.Additional Announcements: Still waiting, as of recording this on March 18th - for our Cult of the Curious Private Facebook Page to return - sent in more review requests and it’s still down. If it’s still down when this episode drops, we’ll be setting up a back up page. All of us here at Bad Magic got together to discuss and explore any alternative options... and sadly, there isn’t any. Well, yes... there are of course alternatives but they aren’t nearly as robust as Facebook and we don’t see it being remotely as active if we just jump ship at this time. So here’s the plan... we are going to start a “Cult of the Curious 2” group page if the original is still down. If the original COTC page makes it out of review later, we will close off the new second page and go back to the original page with over 26,000 members. You can bet your ass that when a worthy competitor arrives - given they aren’t just as strict as Facebook - we will readdress this topic at that time... but for now, we are staying with Facebook as our main community page. TimeSuck’s brand of humor and the topics we cover make the FB morality police REAL nervous. They are all about sacrificing free speech for hate speech right now. Not what I’d do, but not my company either. We’ll to do our best moving forward to follow Facebook’s vague guidelines and keep whatever COTC page we happen have at the time up and running! Doing our best to navigate all this. Guide us through the rapids, Nimrod! D.Segue to Topic: And now, let’s add another serial killer to the ever-growing list of Timesuck true crime murderers. IS Cary Stayner actually a quote, “serial killer?” Or just a regular ol’ dirt bag murderer? Wikipedia says he’s a serial killer, some docs say he’s a serial killer. Some true crime junkies say no. Cary killed four people in two separate attacks. Maybe five in three separate attacks if you think he killed his uncle which many do, BUT, he was never charged for that murder and never confessed so we can’t count it as far as killer definitions go. According to the FBI, the term “serial murder” means “the unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s), in separate events.” And by that definition, Cary Stayner is just BARELY a serial killer. However, some other agencies put the threshold at three victims in separate incidents, which Cary would not fit - unless you really think we should count the uncle. And then you have to factor in my dad. How many of Stayner’s victims were actually killed by my dad? Or by your dad? Where was your dad in 1999? Mine was in peak physical condition working, quote, “out of town”, a lot. Interesting. But seriously - back to the TECHNICAL definition of a serial killer. In 1998, a federal law was passed by the United States Congress, titled: Protection of Children from Sexual Predator Act of 1998. This law includes a slightly different definition of serial killings, stating: “The term ‘serial killings’ means a series of three or more killings, not less than one of which was committed within the United States, having common characteristics such as to suggest the reasonable possibility that the crimes were committed by the same actor or actors.” Cary DID kill four victims - obviously more than three. But, he didn’t technically kill his victims in three SEPARATE killings, since three of the woman were all together and were killed as part of one incident. Kind of. He killed two of those women, then abducted the third, who he then killed a short time later. https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder The more I think this out, the more I think… he WAS technically serial killer. Certainly not nearly as prolific a killer as many of the other dirtbags we’ve covered, but, he had he not been caught when he was, he definitely would’ve killed more women. He admitted as much. Dude showed no signs of wanting to slow down or stop. He apparently almost killed three additional women the day he was arrested. And now before I go further, I feel like I need to hit a button. The - “we are definitely past announcements, past segueing into the topic and are now definitely talking about the topic” button… PAUSE TIMESUCK INTERLUDE II.Intro/Establish Premiss: Cary Stayner. His story is one of both tragedy and brutality. He was both a victim and victimizer. Was his role as victim related in any way to his transformation into victimizer? Or merely a coincidence? There’s been a fair amount of speculation about this due to the abduction of his brother coupled with his own molestation. Cary was molested by his uncle Jerry at a sleepover months before his brother would go missing. And then, before he even really had time to process his own victimization, he was certainly again victimized in a way by a pedophile he never met - the one who kidnapped Cary’s brother Steven and held him for seven YEARS - seven years of Steven’s parents seeming to ignore any needs of Cary's - too wrapped up, first, in their own powerful grief over Steven’s loss, then wrapped up in their joy of having their lost son returned to them, then, not that many years later, again wrapped up in their grief over his death. Cary grew up in a physically intact but very emotionally broken home. Doesn’t justify any horrific deeds he committed. But how much is it all connected? Many years later, Cary became the victimizer - a man who killed in cold blood, taking the lives of four women— two teenagers, a woman in her forties, and a twenty-six-year old who, by all accounts, were nothing but forces of good in the world.
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