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Ian Murdock Dead and tweeting about police brutality. How did he die!? ( ) im g.sauf.ca search 173 subm itted 12 hours ago by urgahlurgah 86 comments share all 86 comments - sorted by: best this post was submitted on 30 Dec 2015 [–] bugman80 22 points 12 hours ago 173 points (83% upvoted) wtf happened to this guy?!?! shortlink: https://redd.it/3ytodk permalink save report give gold reply

[–] StraightFlush777 25 points 7 hours ago This is some details from The Register : username password According to the San Francisco police, officers were called to Steiner and Union St in the city at 11.30pm on remember me reset password login Saturday, December 26, following reports of a man trying to break into a home – that man was identified as Ian Murdock. He reportedly fought with the cops, and was given a ticket for two counts of assault and one for obstruction of an officer. The techie had been drinking, according to the police logs. A medic arrived to treat an abrasion to Murdock's forehead, and he was released so he could be taken to hospital. A few hours later, on Sunday, December 27 at 2.40am, police were called again to reports of Murdock banging on the door of a neighbor at the very same block. A medic arrived to treat him for any injuries at the scene. Next, the cops took Murdock to the county jail where he was held in a cell. Murdock was bailed later that day, on Sunday, after a bond, said to be $25,000, was paid. He died the next day. discuss this ad on reddit His family has asked people to respect their privacy during this difficult time. Submit a new link permalink save parent report give gold reply

[–] scharty 10 points 5 hours ago Submit a new text post If there's one thing we learned in 2015 it's that we can't trust cops in this country.

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[–] F22Rapture 27 points 4 hours ago linux We shouldn't jump to conclusions however. subscribe 190,768 readers Ian claims he was arrested for "knocking on his neighbor's door." Considering the police aren't normally called on 435 users here now people that are just "knocking on their neighbor's door," it's somewhat likely that there's a bit more to the story. Rules permalink save parent report give gold reply

[–] toogoneforthis 13 points 4 hours ago This is not a support forum! Head to /r/linuxquestions or /r/linux4noobs for support I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the cops were really directly involved in his death. I'm no expert but it or help. certainly sounds like he was experiencing some mental heath issues at this time and being intoxicated may have No NSFW posts. made him more likely to act without fully considering his actions. No memes, image macros or rage comics This site even believes he tweeted "i'm committing suicide tonight.. do not intervene as i have many stories to tell (head to /r/linuxmemes) and do not want them to die with me" a couple of days ago. No links to sites that require a login (i.e. To me I think the take away lesson here if he did commit suicide is that more needs to be done to help people with Facebook) their mental health. This is a person who was incredibly successful and very smart and talented and yet he too No URL shorteners, including wp.me, bit.ly, may have fallen to something which possibly could have been prevented had proper action been taken. goo.gl. I'm not trying to suggest with any authority that he did commit suicide I'm just trying to point out that we Urgent spam filter requests: Message the shouldn't jump to conclusions and start blaming anyone until the details get cleared up (which may never mods and include link happen). Please submit the original article. permalink save parent report give gold reply Spamblog submissions are subject to removal and readers are encouraged to [–] a_tsunami_of_rodents -3 points 3 hours ago report them. and yet he too may have fallen to something which possibly could have been prevented had proper action been taken. GNU/Linux is a free and open source software operating system for computers. If you believe modern psychiatry has any significant success rate in "curing" mental illness you're wrong. It The operating system is a collection of the makes it worse about as often as it makes it less and it never "cures" anything. It alleviates symptoms at best. basic instructions that tell the electronic parts of the computer what to do and how A lot of antidepressants are interestingly enough associated with an increased risk of suicide. These are to work. Free, Libre and open source controlled trials by the way, mere correlation is ruled out, people who get the actual drug are more likely to software (FLOSS) means that everyone has attempt suicide than those who get the placebo. the freedom to use it, see how it works, and change it. http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/child-and-a-mental-health/antidepressant-medications-for-children- GNU/Linux is a collaborative effort between and-adolescents-information-for-parents-and-caregivers.shtml the GNU project, formed in 1983 to develop permalink save parent report give gold reply the GNU operating system and the development team of Linux, a kernel. [–] Shirinator 2 points 2 hours ago Initially Linux was intended to develop into A lot of antidepresants are "associated" with increased risk of suicide because MOTIVATION IS THE FIRST an operating system of its own, but these plans were shelved somewhere along the THING THAT COMES BACK. way. Also we now have linked a number of genes with classes of medication and maybe in 5 years time genetic Linux is also used without GNU in screening will be a part of diagnosis. embedded systems, mobile phones and appliances, often with BusyBox or other permalink save parent report give gold reply such embedded tools. [–] a_tsunami_of_rodents 1 point 2 hours ago* A lot of antidepresants are "associated" with increased risk of suicide because MOTIVATION IS THE What is ? FIRST THING THAT COMES BACK. Basic history of GNU/Linux You say this like this some-how alters the situation and that what th reason is that causes it some- One man's fight for free software how changes it. Does that this is the reason some-how alleviate the risk or change the story that psychiatry is quite- Join us on IRC at #r/linux on often counter-effective? Does this alter that possibility that SSRi's could've driven Murdock to suicide freenode.net! sooner rather than postponed or cancelled it? Don't post image-macros, rage comics, or Also we now have linked a number of genes with classes of medication and maybe in 5 years time other drivel here. genetic screening will be a part of diagnosis. Frequently Asked Questions Maybe, maybe not, but Ian Murdock will not die in five years, he died a couple of days back and I find this whole mentality of "Every solution has a problem" to be flawed. People always seem to assume a- AMA priori that something could've been done about whatever problem. The truth of the matter is that often problems can't easily be fixed and quite often in desperation of trying to fix it you just worsen it. Matthew Miller permalink save parent report give gold reply [–] rich000 1 point 1 hour ago Greg Kroah-Hartman I'll agree that psychiatry today isn't terribly effective (though the rest of medicine isn't terribly better). I think this is cause to start taking it more seriously. GNU/Linux resources: That is only going to happen by more study. Where there are effective treatments (even imperfect GNU/Linux Related: ones) they should be made more accessible. The question isn't whether psychiatry causes suicide, but whether it does more harm than good. Kernel

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[–] a_tsunami_of_rodents 1 point 1 hour ago LinuxAdmin The question isn't whether psychiatry causes suicide, but whether it does more harm than LinuxDev good. LinuxDevices Well, in this specific case it was about stopping a suicide. So that's the relevant issue here I FreeGaming / OpenSourceGames / would say. LinuxGaming "more harm than good" is a fairly vague term though. LinuxMemes

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[–] rich000 [score hidden] 59 m inutes ago DistroHopping / DistroReviews [↗] Obviously you need to look at individual treatments and not psychiatry as a whole. If a Linux Weekly News particular treatment is effective it should be available even if others are black magic. Distributions: permalink save parent report give gold reply Arch continue this thread [–] swartkrans -3 points 3 hours ago Fedora Found the scientologist. Gentoo permalink save parent report give gold reply openSUSE [–] Eriner_ 1 point 2 hours ago OpenWRT SSRI's aim to provide the urge to be active. This is how they 'treat' (the symptoms of) depression. It's not a far stretch to think that they make you feel more active to commit suicide. Especially in this case, Slackware where alcohol was involved. CentOS / Red Hat EL permalink save parent report give gold reply Chrome OS [–] a_tsunami_of_rodents 1 point 1 hour ago CrunchBang That is a rational argument that relies on comon-sense induction. The argument I linked is simply elementary OS empirical. As in a controlled trial established it. LinuxMint Whatever the reason is, controlled trials have established that while in some patients SSRi remove Lubuntu a risk for suicide, in other patients they increase it. and SSRI's aren't unique in this, there are multiple psychiatric medications which in some patients paradoxically increase the symptoms they are supposed to combat. And in some cases they increase them in low dosages but if you up the Linux on Mobile: dosage they increase them again, and in some cases they decrease it in low dosages but if you up the dosage they increase it again. Android permalink save parent report give gold reply FirefoxOS

[–] a_tsunami_of_rodents 1 point 2 hours ago Jolla (SailfishOS) Or the FDA employee as I link to an FDA page, who knows? MeeGo / Maemo permalink save parent report give gold reply Replicant[↗] [–] audscias 1 point 2 hours ago UbuntuPhone All he said is true, and I don't see how it would be related to Scientology at all. Movements: permalink save parent report give gold reply

[–] a_tsunami_of_rodents 1 point 1 hour ago Free Culture The Church of Scientology is a well known for its anti-psychiatry views. Free Software Basically the age old fallacy of "Ohh, controversial person/group thinks it, thus it must be wrong.", Hack Bloc e.g. "child support is wrong, because Hitler did it." Open Source

permalink save parent report give gold reply Desktop Environments: [–] Queer_of_the_Sluts 6 points 4 hours ago Other cases aside what did SFPD do wrong? Enlightenment / e17

permalink save parent report give gold reply GNOME KDE [–] scharty -2 points 4 hours ago I dunno. Don't live there. Never been. Don't follow their police scene. LXDE

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[–] Queer_of_the_Sluts 3 points 4 hours ago Window Managers: I mean in this case. awesomewm permalink save parent report give gold reply Openbox [–] [deleted] 3 hours ago* xmonad [deleted] i3 [–] eletheros 2 points 3 hours ago UnixPorn He was arrested...released and arrested again Learning: No. He was given a notice to appear (a citation) on the first encounter with police and arrested on the second. You are never arrested and released without going in front of a judge. CommandLine He paid bail after spending a night in jail, and then died the day after. Linux From Scratch It's a big stretch to presume after two days that police abuse had anything to do with it. Suicide is much more Linux Projects likely to recur over that period, but with the family not saying we may never know. Software Freedom Law Center[↗] Media reports are saying the cause of death is not suspicious. Raspberry Pi permalink save report give gold reply Webcasts: [–] dhdfdh 1 point 4 hours ago [↗] Huh? Linux Outlaws [↗] permalink save parent report give gold reply This Week in Linux

[–] stealer0517 5 points 7 hours ago Linux Action Show he most likely committed suicide (considering that he already threatened to) Hacker Public Radio[↗] [↗] permalink save parent report give gold reply FaiFCast

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[+] altiris28048 comment score below threshold (2 children) Creativity: [+] Jristz comment score below threshold (0 children) Blender [–] wachunei 12 points 12 hours ago FOSSPhotography these are supposedly his lasts tweets http://pastebin.com/yk8bgru5 GIMP permalink save report give gold reply LibreDesign [–] petermal67 15 points 10 hours ago LibreOffice His arrest record: https://i.imgur.com/BGU8KLh.jpg LibreStudio permalink save report give gold reply LinuxAudio [–] frankster 3 points 8 hours ago Interesting that that website labels him as an offender. Has he been convicted of anything yet? If not, surely he's not Other operating systems: yet an offender. AROS[↗] permalink save parent report give gold reply BSD [–] nomofica [ ] 15 points 7 hours ago FreeBSD "Offender" is a general term. It doesn't specifically mean he's been convicted, only that he's been accused. Genode[↗] permalink save parent report give gold reply Haiku [–] _unforgiven_ 1 point 5 hours ago HelenOS[↗] Then why not say "Accused"? Language is important for framing human interactions. If a processing cop sees your name next to an "Offender" label, they will subconsciously presume your guilt. HURD

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[–] nomofica [ ] 0 points 4 hours ago Plan 9 Because whoever made it chose to use offender? You're talking about cops being presumptuous when you, OSdev yourself, are assuming cops will automatically presume guilt. Don't see your community listed? Find or permalink save parent report give gold reply create a subreddit for it, and add it to the wiki when it has over 350 subscribers, and [–] H-Tao_O 4 points 4 hours ago we'll add it to the sidebar. I agree that language is important.

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[–] nomofica [ ] -2 points 2 hours ago It really isn't. This isn't a law enforcement database. Vinelink is a third-party organization for victims (VINE stands for Victim Information and Notification Everyday) so if you have an issue with the language then contact them. Cops aren't looking at this website. They aren't presuming any guilt because this independent group lists people in their public database as "offender".

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[–] rich000 2 points 1 hour ago Cops may not look at it, but clearly others do. Should arrest records even be allowed to be made public? That seems likely to cause harm to reputation for something that shouldn't have any kind of legal weight.

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[–] UltimateShipThe2nd 0 points 10 hours ago discuss this ad on reddit I like how his alias is "Tan Ashley Murdock." MODERATORS message the moderators permalink save parent report give gold reply qgyh2 [–] imfm 20 points 8 hours ago noname99 I'd bet some cop's chicken-scratch handwriting got "Ian" entered into the computer system as "Tan", and the easiest tuber way to fix having two entries for the same person was to make it an alias. smj Chun permalink save parent report give gold reply masta kylev [–] Gramatik 0 points 3 hours ago DimeShake What's your imgur script? donaldrobertsoniii about moderation team » permalink save parent report give gold reply

[–] lookindandy 4 points 8 hours ago < > discussions in /r/linux X fuck the police 21 points permalink save report give gold reply The Register: Debian Linux founder Ian Murdock [+] Agora_Black_Flag comment score below threshold (2 children) dead at 42 [a few details about his police encounter] [–] Graeme-Lion 4 points 9 hours ago* The family is requesting people respect their privacy and are referring to this as a "private matter." Until they speak more, this is a private matter for his family, a matter that they do not wish to be public. EDIT: You can, as Docker has asked, run your enquiries through Docker's contact. They may answer some of your questions?

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[–] _unforgiven_ 9 points 5 hours ago Ian himself made it public with his tweets, and made his intensions for exposure clear.

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[–] Graeme-Lion 2 points 5 hours ago Tweets made clearly under duress or distress, and that his family or someone with credentials felt needed to go away. I'm sorry, but he also said he wouldn't be committing suicide, that he would fight this to the end of his life, and that he'd post a blog post. And as his tweets went on, the spelling errors increased and whatever distress he was under increased, until the point that he ended it. Those tweets are NOT credible evidence on their own and needs substantiation.

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[–] GucciVersaceGucci 2 points 1 hour ago Than what is compelling evidence? It's better to be safe than sorry, for all we know those tweets could be the last ramifications of his will.

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[–] sixfootnix [score hidden] just now One thing is for sure. He did have contact with the police in a short period before his death.

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[–] johnmountain 24 points 9 hours ago* Families can be easily intimidated/reach secret settlements, and we'd still be left without the truth. Doesn't Ian deserve to have the truth revealed? That request seems to be right there in his last tweets. Almost like his dying wish. And what happened to his promised blog posts before he died anyway? He sounded like he wouldn't have committed suicide until he would've posted more about it. Yet, they are nowhere to be seen and he's dead. Did he write them and got pulled down, too? But then who managed to pull the tweets as well as the blog posts? In the wake of his death, was the family really thinking about pulling that content down ASAP? Seems a little unusual. I just hope that for his sake and his memory, the family won't be the only one seeking more information about what happened.

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[–] Graeme-Lion 7 points 9 hours ago Ian's family / next of kin has the right to decide what to do here. We do not. We're observers of his life from a distance. They are directly involved.

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[–] a_tsunami_of_rodents 5 points 2 hours ago Ian's family / next of kin has the right to decide what to do here. ...why? How come they suddenly have that right?

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[–] 214463243 18 points 8 hours ago Sometimes the family / next of kin ignores the wishes of the person who died, whose wishes should be followed in such a situation?

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[–] pepe_le_shoe 21 points 8 hours ago Ian's family / next of kin has the right to decide what to do here. IF police corruption played a hand in this, then the fear/mistakes of his family should be sidestepped. They aren't just his family's police.

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[–] Graeme-Lion 8 points 8 hours ago And that is a very big IF and has only been alledged by one person without any evidence other than his word. So can we at least wait to see more evidence of wrong-doing before we all talk about side-stepping the wishes of a family whose loved one likely committed suicide?

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[–] FluentInTypo -1 points 6 hours ago* Perhaps wait more than 5 hours after the public announcement of his death for more information. Pehaps wait for the family to notify all of their family and his close co-workers, meet with the funeral home, decide on a casket, buy a plot and plan a funeral and services BEFORE demanding that they are ignoring your deep desire to know the truth. Do you guys understand how much goes into planning a funeral? Hell, they might have even needed a clean up service to clean up blood from their home for all we know. Just back off with the publoc pressure on a family that just lost a husband and father in a suicide and hasnt even held the funeral yet.

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[–] F22Rapture -2 points 4 hours ago Families can be easily intimidated/reach secret settlements [...] Yes, because it's far more likely that they're in on the conspiracy, than that they're a grieving family that doesn't want to be prodded for information by a million internet detectives.

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[–] GucciVersaceGucci 1 point 1 hour ago No, people should investigate the causes of Ian's death instead of being cowed by the proposals of his family. The guy just had a mental break down against the police and wished it to be investigated, why negate such a wish?

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[–] [deleted] -2 points 7 hours ago Don't you just love how people don't care when the family asks for privacy?

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[–] Graeme-Lion 7 points 5 hours ago I get why they're doing it. Suicide is awful. Combine that with the tweets before hand.. the need for us to find complicated answers to explain complicated decisions.. and the messed up state of the police in this country and everyone really are running a gamut of emotions. Mix in the holidays when a lot of us saw family, our preconceived notions of what we thought this person was like, and well.. people try to help in ways they know how. But whatever the source of all of this, it will be there in a few days, and it will be there when and if the family is ready to handle it. We should respect that, even though this is hard to understand. I've lost friends to suicide. Two were out of the blue that nobody saw coming and we kept looking for warning signs we missed years later. It just happens. A set of incoherent letters and words, and then they're gone. Forever. But one thing I did pick up from these experiences is, nobody knows how people really feel. We put on a facade for people. I don't blame people for not respecting the family's wishes.. but I do say this as a cautionary warning. You're going to hurt people by digging into this. And I don't mean the cops. You're going to find out the truth on what happened here, and you might not like it, and the family might not be ready for it. If you expose what really happened to Ian Murdock, you might not like the answer and you might cause irreperable harm. And suicide runs in families. It causes the depression that leads to the next one. I really hope people are considerate of the family's wishes in this.

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[–] Noctune 0 points 10 hours ago Probably suicide, but I don't think anyone have confirmed it yet: i'm committing suicide tonight.. do not intervene as i have many stories to tell and do not want them to die with me #debian #runnerkristy67

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