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Reminiscences 10 Key Libertarian Activists Discuss the Significance of the Movement They Helped Build. The setting: the elegant Sheraton-PalaceHotel in San Fmn- Americansfir Freedom at the historic 1969 YAF convention. cisco. The occasion: the annual convention of the national He is currently a professor of economics. Libertarian Party. Gatheredfor the occasion were close to MARK FMzIER-long-time REASON contributing editor IO00 people, including many of the key activists who had led and libertarianjournalist, Frazier currently directs the Sabre thegrowth of the libertarian movement over the past decade. Foundation's Journalism Fund and its Space Freeport Several months before, it had occurred to Dave Nolan what Project, and serves as executive director of the Local Govern- a unique opportunity this convention wouldpresent. Why not ment Center. bring together these key people, in one room (some of them MANUEL KLAUSNER-REASON partner and ediwr, one- meetingfor thefirst time), to discuss the accomplishments of timeLP candidatefir Congress, talk-showparticipant, world the libertarian movement, their own des in shaping it, and traveler, and practicing attorney with one of Los Angeles' their views on itsfiture course and prospects? REASON editor biggest law jTrms. Bob Poole agreed, and began sending out letters. CHARLES Koca-chairman of Koch Industries and presi- Consequently, at the close of a long day of seminars, dent of the Fred C. Koch Foundation, Koch plays a key role in debates, meals, speeches, and socializing, 10 libertarian a number of libertarian institutions. He is chairman of the leaders sat down around a tape recorder to reminisce and Institute for Humane Studes, director of the Cat0 Institute, prognosticate. The participants: and a member of the Mont Pelerin Society. ROY CHILDS-editor of Libertarian Review, formerly a key DAVE NoLm-founder of the Libertarian Party, its first staff member of the Society fir Individual Liberty and of its national chairman, and a guidingforce on its executive com- magazine, Individualist. Childs' "Open Letter to Ayn Rand" mittee for itsfirstfive years. Nolan's activism dates back to in I969 ignited the anarchist/limited government contro- the early196O's, including YAF, Youthfor Goldwater, Young versy. Republicans, and the Liberiy Amendment Committee. JOE corn-presently REASON'S Frontlines columnist and ROBERT POOLE-REASON editor and partner, Poole dates active in the Illinois Libertarian Party, Cobb was editorin- his activism to 1964 when he and Nolan were classmates at chief of New Individualist Review, a classical liberal journal MIT.Currently a columnistfor the National Taxpayers Union of the 1960's and precursor of today's libertarian magazines. and 150 newspapers, Poole also serves as president of the ED cram-president of the Cat0 Institute and of Liber- Local Government Center. tarian Review, Inc., and publisher of Inquiry, Crane spent DAVE WALmR-with Ernsberger,founded the Society for three years as national chairman of the Libertarian Party Individual Liberty in Philadephia in 1969, merging the during which it grew to become America's third largest party. YAF-Spinoff Libertarian Caucus with Jaret Wollstein's In the LP's5rst year Crane served as REASON'S LP Cor- Society for Rational Individualism. Walter and Ernsberger respondent. are now SIL $ co-directors. Walter teaches high school history DON ERNSBERGER-CO-foUnder of the society for and government. Individual Liberty, the largest libertarian campus-oriented With JO such people all in one place, the talk went on group. Emsberger led the Libertarian Caucus out of Young and on, punctuated by good-natured ribbing and ideological 44 REASONIMAY 1978 Clockwise from left: Don Ernsberger, Dave Nolan, Bob Poole, Roy Childs, Mark Frazier, Dave Walter, Joe Cobb, Ed Crane, and Manny Klausner confrontations. The initial tmnsckpt ran to near& 25,000 ture, is Austrian economics. Because from a political stand- words-practically enoughfor a book. Somehow, copy editor point, the phrenology that is being put forth by the Keynes- Marty Zupan was able to cut and prune, through several ians and the Friedmanites is an excuse for the politicians to slimmed-down drafrs, to am’ve at the 7000 words presented control our lives. Most of the legislation coming from Wash- here. ington is based on economics, and on misguided economic theory. And if we get Austrian economics to grow to a suf- DAVENOLAN: This is a panel discussion on the libertarian ficient degree, then it is going to be harder and harder for the movement and its prospects, by some of the people who have politicians in Washington to justify what they’re doing. been making it possible. The first question is, Where do you ROY CHILDS: I’d say that the Libertarian Party, partic- see the “movement” as being today? ularlysince 1975, is the only institution in the movement with DAVE WALTER: I see it essentially still building from its a clear-cut sense of direction and purpose. The movement in base. 1 know there’ve been figures bandied about of its general is in a state of intellectual disarray, with the exception doubling every two years, but we’re still small enough that of a small number of people at the top. I attribute this to the we’re talking about building the intellectual base of the youth of most libertarians and the fact that they have been movement. astonishingly bad at what I call intellectual entrepreneur- ED CRANE: Well, I think the party and the movement are ship-that is, the spotting and defining of issues and knowing poised to accelerate their growth. Almost everybody here got the appropriate ways to capitalize on them and promote started from the right wing, but that’s changing dramatically. them. Most people coming into the movement now are coming from DON ERNSBERGER: Well, I think, realistically, the liber- the left, particularly young people. tarian movement today is extremely, extremely small in its NOLAN: Which I think is very good, because it’s giving a effect and in its development. The main satisfaction that I see needed balance. is not in the area of politics, but in what Ed Crane said, and CRANE: Well, it’s not just balance. The right wing is that is primarily in the fact that when you look at the graduate atrophying for good reason, and if libertarianism is going to schools, you see large numbers of people coming out with succeed as a political movement in this country-and it is a Austrian backgrounds in economics, coming out with liber- political philosophy despite the fact that many people don’t tarian credentials, becoming teachers and professionals. I want to admit that-we’re going to have to attract support have never felt that politics at this point in history is going to from the left. And I see the movement developing a certain have much of an effect on where we’re going. professionalism now and starting to make inroads in the left NOLAN: I’d like to offer a counter to that. I see us as being at with people like Earl Ravenal and John Marks speaking at the stage where we are in the very earliest days of what you the Libertarian Party Convention this year. I view that left- might call “going public.” We’ve spent anywhere from 10 to ward drift of the movement as very helpful. Maybe “leftward 30 years, depending on where you mark the beginning, devel- drift” is the wrong phrase to use but. oping theory and educating people in libertarian theory and The other thing that I think is very important, and which I expanding our ranks. And we are now, I believe, at the point really view as the cutting edge of the movement at this junc- where we do have a large enough number of people, where we ~~ MAY 1978lREASON 45 Roy Childs Joe Cobb Ed Crane Don Ernsberger Mark Frazic are just about to explode onto the public consciousness and recognize that fact. make tremendous strides at picking up support from left, NOLAN: Atlas b beginning to shrug. right, and center-from people who see that the Leviathan CHILDS: In Western Europe, socialism is crumbling; com- State is eroding their liberties, restricting their options, and munism’s successes have been set back in many parts of the generally making their lives considerably less wonderful than world; intervention domestically and in foreign policy has not they otherwise could be. We’ve done our homework. Now we worked, and miny people are beginning to rebel against have to put it into practice. control of their own life styles. And these are facts of reality CRANE: I just want to interject something quickly so it which we are recognizing and using, and they’re very doesn’t appear I’m agreeing with Don. A lot of the growth on important. campus I view as clearly a function of the growth of the Liber- NOLAN: Before we plunge forward, I’ll just review some of the historical trivia that I realized for the first time about a month ago. I had not realized until Watergate was high- lighted in the newspapers that by sheer and pure coincid- ence-I assumethe founding convention of the Libertarian Party occurred the same weekend as the Watergate break-in. CRANE: Is that right? MANNY KLAUSNER: I’ll drink to that. WALTER That’s incredible. BOBPOOLE: I want to add a footnote about the movement. There’s an aspect that I think is very important now, that didn’t exist five years ago. Five years ago, the movement was Dave Nolan Roy Childs mostly students and people who had recently been students who were gung-ho, enthusiastic, and in touch with each other tarian Party, and it boggles my mind that people who are through organizations like the early LP or through SIL.