WILL IT EVER END -? ... IT BETTER ! by Cheryl Watson ment by lan Loveless, that it was the result of versity." With regards occur. Last week in Pro Tem Manager of the Pub, sums off-campus persons but to the first of these points During the summer a an article appeared deal­ up the feelings of not only further investigation dis­ there are many reasons proposal by The Food ing with vandalism that those mentioned but the pelled that belief. The why it may raise prices. and Beverage Service re­ had ocurred during and regular patrons of the manager of the pub now At the present tIme lan surfaced with a suggestion after the performance by Cafe. believes that it must be is seriously considering that the present percent­ Teenage Head in the ODH. The men's washroom students from Glendon. hiring a full-time door age - of the base price of lt is unfortunate that this located in the basement The pub was "busy" but person for the evenings. all alcoholic beverages newspaper has to re- of Glendon Hall had the "calm" and besides the Although the ultimate paid to the university port that this weekend sink and fau cets torn off. group of off-campus question for the pub by the pub be increased the Glendon campus was Further to this the Fire­ students, that have suc­ lies in decisions by the . from 20% to 23%, that afflicted again, this time hose on the mainfloor was cessfully cleared them­ Pub's Board of Directors, increase to cover the in Glendon Hall. On Fri­ turned on and consequently selves, the vast majority lan sees possibilities damages incurred by day September 21st at upwards of three inches were recognizable. s~ch as a security per­ liquor related incidents. approximately 12:15 a.m. of water coveredthe floor, When Pro Tem spoke son hired to watch over The proposal was put on the Hall incurred an esti­ soaking the rugs as well to lan Loveless he made those places that have the back burner because mated damage of $165.00. as persons attempting to the following· statement: been the most hard hit they had much-more preS­ "Everybody (Principal Mc­ leave the pub. "This vandalism could paying the cost of the sing problems relating to Queen, The Dean's Office, At present, lan Loveless ultimately result in 1) damages and/or paying the question of liquor Security and myself) is and the Security are trying higher prices at the bar an increase in monies to catering at dances. This getting fed-up with the to determine the vandal­ and 2) the possibility of the University to cover has since been resolved vandalism !" This state- izers. It was first thought being closed by the Uni- any damage that might continued on pp. 2

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N. U.S. REFERENDUM by Ron Leduc and first year's counCIlS. a bilingual institution campus: students contin­ ment dropped this year Marc-Andre Lacombe If you want to be mem­ need." eu to coordinate national to around nine hundred Next week, during bers of N.U.S. vote "yes"" approaches through N. U. full- time students th is elections a referendum this entails that one dol­ S. to these and other means that the student will be held to find out lar of your already paid­ The 1979 - 80 N.U.S. issues of common con-. . union's operating bud- if Glendon's student body student fees will g'o to the information publication cern." Thus, besides get is smaller than pre­ wants to remain mem­ National Union of Students. says: "Through N. U.S. giving Glendon national vious years. Do we have bel'S of the National If you don't want to be students are conUnuing representation, N.U.S. money to give to the Union of Studnets. In members of N.U.S. vote to press for a new fed­ offers a better identity National Union when this the past two years Glen­ "no" which entails that eral funding arrangement credibility and raises its mORey could be used here don through its student your already paid dollar that will ensure quality, status as a bilingual on campus for needs Union did not pay the fees will be spent on other' accessible post-secondary institution. closer -·to us such as education." and "National demanded by the National campus organizations On the other hand to be cultural activities, Union of Students (N.U.S.) and/or activities. Union of Students' etc. work was recognized members of N. U.S. en­ which are a dollar per tails more than a dollar student. Instead, the by opposition officials Furthermore, York main, as a major factor in per student if our insti­ previous Glendon student Here are the pros and tution is to participate being a member of N.U.S. cons for N.U.S.: gaining 26,000 student and Glendon being a part councils spent this money fully in the national issues. elsewhere. Steve Lubin, the G.C.S.U. jobs through a new federal of York would still sup­ job creation program in Being a member of N. U.S. President feels that; "We entails one representative port us and portect 1976. Furthermore, - our identity as a unique This year your student should not pull out of of the Student Union to Course evaluations, fac­ Council has decided to N. U.S. as it gives the assist the National con­ bilingual college. ulty tenure, on- campus hold a referendum to College the addedpressure ference, which will cost For further information on the federal government student services, issues eliminate the growing another $200.00 from contact the G.C.S.U. to gain grants that\,re as confronting women on frictions created by the student fees. As enroll- Office. --- -~------2 Pro Tern September 28, 1979 ' BUSINESS IS BUSINESS by Cheryl Watson something about the pro­ largely due to the freezing sitting back to see what imately $15,00U to Youth­ In a letter to the Edit­ blem. At this time the ac­ of their courtesy account they will be producing be­ stream. At present Mr. or, Phil Roche mentions count had reached $13000 by the University. In an fore agreeing to any fur­ Monfette is not worrying that we should be glad we In a memo dated August attempt to solve this im­ their monies. However, about ihis possiblity, are not as badly off as 28th Excalibur was in­ mediate problem, Excal­ their own budget which since it would be payable "our big brother" on the formed that their account ibur is seeking funds from will be put to the Board in the next fiscal year, Main Campus. This big had been frozen. the various college coun­ of Directors sometime at therefore not adding tothe brother he refers to is The larger creditors, cils and is also soliciting the first of October, in­ present deficit. Even Excalibur, which is the other than the University YUSA. They have already cludes a grant to Excal­ though the courtcase is York University Comm­ appear to be the printers received a donation from ibur of $13,000. It is the presently underway, Ex­ unity newspaper. The on­ ($4,362), Fotos'et, the co­ YUFA. On Wednesday council's hope that $10000 calibur has just signed a set of this academic year mpany that did Excalibur's night, September 26th, will be used for operating long-term contract with saw Excalibur with an es­ typesetting last year Excalibur was asking the and $3,000 will go to- .Youthstream. It appears timated deficit of $34,564 ($3,951) and finally a law­ CYSF for a $6000 advance wards the repayment of that this conflict has not The newspaper is read on yer's bill for $1,241. To­ to enable them to continue the debt to the University affected Excalibur's deal­ this· campus and Excal­ gether with the University to operate. It is interest­ In December, ~xcalibur's ing with the Canadian Un­ ibur's present situation the total is $34,564. In ing to note that even with position will be reviewed iversity Press which is helps to put the troubles this week's issue of Ex­ these cashflow problems and both the CYSF and closely associated with we seem to be having calibur the editorial by both the editor-in-chief Excalibur will have to Youthstream. CUP has here at Glendon into per­ Mark Monfette, mana- and the business manager make the ultimated decis­ forgiven fees owing from spective. It is for this ging Editor of Excalibur, took advances on their ion as to the newspaper's 1977-78 by Excalibur in reason that Business is noted the deficit was in the pay. Other salariedpeople future. Mr. Smokum at the amount of $7500. Business will deal with neighbourhood of $39,000 at the paper have not re­ present is hoping that by Excalibur's editorial the problems that Exca­ The $4,500 discrepency ceived a cent, as yet. the end of the year Ex­ this week states that at libur is presently exper­ between this figure and the As a long term solution calibur can come up with $13,000 York's "journal­ iencing. one Mr. MonfettegavePr6 Excalibur has raisedtheir enough to pay between ism department" is the The bulk of the deficit Tern has gone unexplained ad ratio from 40% to 50% 60-70% of the debt owing most cost-effective on is a result of a courtesy although in discussion he although the first two to the University. If this campus. One has to won­ account with York Un­ alluded to various small issues had a much higher happens, he feels fairly der why a newspaper that iversity which was final- creditors to which Excal­ ratio than that, (65% and confident in having the is presently in debt to the ly frozen when "Excal­ ibur owed money. 56% respectively) This rest of the debt forgiven amount they are can use ibur's bill reached $25000 Mark Monfette, when as­ has created problems in by the University. the term cost-effective". and no money was forth­ ked how Excaliburgot into the amount of actual ed­ Meanwhile, Youthstream Excalibur is proposing coming. The courtesy ac­ this situation, explained itorla copy which can be is suing Excalibur for a referendum to aIiow in­ count includes payroll, that the reasons were two­ printed. As Mr. Monfette back fees which they ·feel dependent financing for office supplies etc. Keith fold. The first was that he said, they are there to in­ Excalibur owes them. Two their "journalism depart­ Smokum, president of the felt the Business Manager form students by way of years ago Excalibur rein­ ment". They are calling Central York Student Fed­ Olga Graham, (who at the news, entertainment and corporated to avoid paying on direct support by ask­ eration (CYSF) was first end of this year, will be sports articles andare not fees to Youthstream, ing for $2/student. informed of the debt to resigning after 4 years), an advertising supplement bllt they continued to take If in producing a paper York University in June had mismanaged the funds The other avenue they advantage of the national they must increase their when he and John Beck- this having been achieved wish to pursue is the grant advertising provided advertising ratio to 50% , er Assistant Vice-Presi­ by the non-existance of from CYSF. When Pro by this agency. Mark one wonders iftheir "journ­ dent , sat down to dis cu ss any real budget for the past Tern spoke to Keith Monfette, received a let­ alism department" is, in the situation. Both par- three years. The second Smokum Thursday morn­ ter from Excalibur's itself, effective. With in­ ties agreed that since Ex­ reason is the decline in ing it was found that Ex­ own lawyer in which it dependent financing, Ex­ calibur was incorporated the CYSF grant, which went calibur received their. was stated that it now ap­ calibur feel s they can the CYSF would not be from $25000 in 76 -77, to $6000 advance "grudging­ pears Excalibur has a free themselves from the .. held responsible for the $1300U last year. ly". The CYSFhadtakenit 90% chance of winning whims of the CYSF. It debt. However, Mr. Smok- The greatest problem upon themselves to write the court case. If, how­ is possible that they have urn did attempt to moti­ facing Excalibur at pre­ up an interim budget for ever, they lose they been free from these vate Excalibur into doing sent is their cash flow the newspaper and is now would have to pay approx- whims far too long. IT BETTER! continued from pp. 1 ELECTIONS & REFERENDUM and Mr. Loveless now been subject to vandal­ feels that there is a real ism." poss'ibility that the quest­ A memorandum was ion will be re-opened. sent to the pub last year by Principal McQueen, The following GCSU pos­ Les postes suivants de Any of these solutions In addition to the above, suggesting that if vandalism itions are open: I' AECG ( GCSU) sont meq.n a direct increase Y-Qu will be asked to vote continued the pub could be disponibles: on the following question: in the cost of operating I closed for a week in / .Directeur Are you in favour of the pub and consequently order to make users of Chairperson Vice-President(e) des continued membership mean an increase in the pub stop and think. Affaires internes in the National Union of prices. That is...liquor Vice-President Internal The pub was not closed Affairs 3 represant(e)s en 1ere Students? (Yes/no) and beer prices. Barring but unofficial comments annee I understand that this the apprehension of van­ 3 First year represet­ have' led lan Loveless 1 represant(e) des Etudes shall include the requi­ dals from the past, pre­ atives to keep this possibility in PIuridisciplinaires red fee of $1 per full­ sent or future the Glen­ General Education rep­ mind in his dealings with 20 membres du Comite time student in the year don community will be resentative vandalism. The closing 20 members of Student des Etudiants et du Con­ 1979-80. hit with these increases seil de la Faculte and the more regular one of a pub is not a threat Caucus and Faculty Coun­ but eceonomic reality cil Les formulaires servant is at the pub the more cl la proposition des can­ En plus, on vous de­ one has to pay for other (L e. the cost of damages) didats seront disponibles mandera de vous pronon­ peoples'indiscretion. may make it the only au bureau de I' AECG cl cer sur la question This led lan Loveless practical solution. Nomination forms can be partir du 27 septembre. suivante: to call on the support Any suggestions that picked up in the GCSU of­ Toutes les propostions de Approuvez-vous d'une of the regulars to help users of the Cafe may fice on or afterSeptember candidats doivent etre adhesion continuelle avec in wiping out vandalism have with this ,problem 27. Nominations will close re~ ues avant midi le 2 l'Union Nationale des at the pub. "We could are more than welcome. at noon, Tuesday Oct. 2. octobre Etudiants (Oui ouNon) avoid a lot of costs and The Board of Directors elections wiH be les elections Ceci comprendrait une damages with the help will be meeting on Oct. held wednesday auront lieu mer­ cotisation de $1 par of regulars at the end of 14th and discussion october 3 AND credi le 3 octobre etudaint apleintempspour the evening to keep an eye dealing with this whole THURSDAY OCTOBER 4 et jeudi le 4 OCTOBRE l'annee 1979-80. . on the areas that have question will take place.

ACADEMIC FEE REFUND SCHEDULE FALL FALL/WINTER WINTER half courses: full courses: Fee per half courses:' Fee per Fee per Course Credit Course Credit Course Credit PERIOD Canadian Foreign Canadian Foreign Canadian Foreign 1. To Sept. 21 . $27.25 853.00 $27.25 85:3.00 $27.25 $53.00 O~ 2. Sept. 24 - 19 20.00 40.00 20.00 40.00 27.25 .53.00 NOTE: Complete with­ 3. Oct. 22 - Nov. 9" - 0 - - 0 - 10.00 20.00 27.25 53.00 drawals: as per the 4. Nov. 12 - Dec. 7 - 0 - - 0 - 10.00 20.00 27.25 53.00 above refund table minus 5. Dec. 10 - Jan. 11 - 0 - - 0 - 10.00 20.00 27.25 53.00 $20.00 Administration 6. Jan. 14 - Feb. 8 - 0 - - 0 - 5.00 10.00 20.00 40.00 charges. 7. After Feb. 8 - 0 - - 0 - -0- -0- -0 - 0 - September 28, 1979 Pro Tern 3 Campus Radio Service Reaffirmed by Council by Rob Taylor thing back". It was also any surplus or deficit. administration will add a noted that those with the This andotherunanswered further 3% to the Cafes At last Monday night's expertise in operating a questions will be the sub­ rent( an amount based on meeting , the GCSU re­ radio station, namely: Ron ject of much future dis­ beer and liquor sales). affirmed it's position sup­ Stermac, Alan Lysaghtand cussion by and between to cover "liquor related porting a student run and Michael McCabe were not the GCSU and the CYSF. incidents". Furthermore, operated campus radio involved in student radio. Roche also reported to Roche also stated that it service. In doing so, it During the discussion, council the financial re­ appeared more than likely was reported that $2,500 Mike Bunn, V.P. Cultur;al, 'sults of Orientation. It that beer at dances would had been ,allocated from questioned the funding of appears that your council go up in price in order to the GCSU's proposed a campus radio service has spent a record $5110 cover a 7% remittance that 1979-80 budget, without the availability on bands and miscell­ the Food and Beverage Before the motion was of studios A and D' (CKRG aneous costs, and had on Service will add to their passed, there was much and the production studios the other hand, a record revenues. This is a result discussion concerning the repectively) for students door and bar receipts of of a compromise between validity, necessity and and whether this would, in $3850. the various student coun­ practicality of such a ser­ fact, provide the students However, this did not in­ cils at York and the Food vice. At issue was the ex­ with a training ground and clude any of the damage and Beverage Service tent to which the GCSU was opportunity to further any that resulted from the van­ concerning a proposed willing to go to keep the aspirations in the broad­ da:lism that occurred at change in the Liquor Pol­ Studio B part of Radio casting field. the Teenage Head dance. icy that would have al­ Glendon Inc. operating. On .Concerning the $2500 And, on a, more sober­ lowed, here at Glendon, this point, Student Senator allocation, Sthephen Lubin ing note, Roche mentioned Beaver to run the dances. Kelly-Anne Bishop argued Council President, gave a the very' real possibility And finally, council el­ that:"we have given lots of breakdown as to the dis­ that the Food and Bever­ ected a new chief return­ money and received no- tribtion: age Services arm of the ing officer; Tom Beaikie,. ------~--~._-_._._-- Board Representative Reports by Peter Brickwood proposition for students. cted to the Board last fall of the Board, questioned resposibility to make sure The Minister is supposed with much ado and fanfare. my ability to represent that we politicians are re­ Tuition Fee Hikes to make major announce­ Now, less than a year into the concerns of students presenting you properly. ments settingthe new fun­ his term of office, he has because of the low turn­ Reaching Me Stephenson wants us ,to ding policy in October. quit. out at elections. At one write her, she says. She We can influence gov­ I find this kind of friv­ meeting last year, Pres­ "Who is she, and what ernment policy by telling olous attitude towards ident McDonald said with As the Editor of this ill­ about?" you say. them how we feel.' Pick' student politics very ann­ considerable frustration ustrious publication has is our minister of Coll­ up your prescription card oying. If a studenf takes "We keep hearing about previously noted, I am to eges and Universities and from the table in front of on the responsibility of these students, but where be found in the GCSU of­ we can write her about the GCSU office, or if representing other stud­ are they?" Frankly, I fice from nine to twelve paying more for less. you're in residence, it's ents then they should take think that those are fair every Tuesday morning, By 1985-86, we may be already been put under the job seriously and you, comments and I wish presuming that his mag­ paying $1,113intuition per your door. Just sign it the electors, should de­ more students would be­ nificence, President year for ordinary arts un­ and mail it. No postage is mand that we do. come actively involved in Lubin gets out·of bed in dergraduate degrees and necessary. the academic and political time to open the door- -­ even more for other fac­ There are many students issues which affect our it hasn't happened yet. ulties. Adoption of the Elections who work hard to re- lives. Therefore I am to be found Ross Report by Stephen­ present the best interests in the cafeteria drinking son and her Ministry may The usual rash of re­ of students at York. They It only takes 2 minutes coffee, the library typing result in a 5%feeincrease signations and first year include Keith Smockum, Bard to vote and a couple of room, doing this column, next year and 15% in­ reps will soongive all as­ Taylor, Kevin McLaughlin hours to get a reasonable or shooting the breeze in creases per year until piring politicians a Brad Very, Stephen Lubin grasp of the situation so the Pro Tern offices. 1985. Thereafter tuition chance to gain office. In­ Andrea Doucette, and that you can vote intell­ Francophones please would probably increase formation on these will be Terry McGarth and many igently. If you are elected bring a translator as I re­ at the same rate as in­ available from the GCSU more. to a position then flation. office. I think you should stick main abjectly ashamed of Last year Bertrand Ger- wi.th it and do the job. my total ineptitude with the This is a very expensive Shawn Brayman was ele- stein, former Chairman And you electors have a French language. ._------~~[--- Marie-Claire Rouyer NOTES ------in theatre should make a idea for a project . At' Le professeur Marie­ porain en France. point of attending a meet­ this meeting. projects Claire Rouyer de l'Uni- The Student Caucus of ing .on Tuesday October will be voted upon. and a Faculty Council is at pre- versite de Bordeaux, 2, at 5 p.m .. in Room 204 programme will be drawn specialiste du feminisme Professor Marie-Claire sent non-existant. There particularly those with an up for the school year. anglais et fran~ais du Rouyer will be on campus are twenty vacancies XVIITe sie cle cl nos jours, _ as part of the York-Bord­ which must be filled in or­ est actuellement cl Glen­ eaux exchange program. der that the committees don. Sa visite chez nous She is a specialist of 18th of Faculty Council may BEAVER FOODS fait partie d'un prog­ century English litera­ begin their year's work. ramme d'echange entre ture, and of English and If you are interested in York et I 'universite de French feminism from one of the positions or 'WELCOMES Bordeaux. En plus de ses the eighteenth centuryon­ just want to know what publications sur le femin­ to the present. Professor Student Caucus or Faculty isme, Marie-Claire Rouyer is also a member of Council are all about, see Rouyer a aussi ecrit plu­ several British and David CIipsham in Room YOU TO siers articles sur le the­ French feminist organiz­ Cl12 York Hall or Cheryl atre anglais. ations. Watson in the Pro Tern Office in Glendon Hall. Tous les membres de la In addition to glvmg a A THANKS GIVING FEAST communaute de Glendon public lecture on contem- qui desirent rencontrer le porary French feminism Yor k University graduate Professeur Rouyer, qui Hot Turkey, Ham Tortiere, Squash, Salads and more.... on October 3 at 8 p.m. in student, Ann Jordan, will . ._~~ sera icijusqu'au 8 octobre the Senior Common Room exhibit her thesis work sont pries de contacter Professor Rouyer is av­ September at the IDA Marina Dorna au 487-6181 ailable for consultation Gallery, located All You Can Eat (6182) pour prendre ren­ with interested students in the Faculty of Fine dez-vous. and faculty until October Arts Building, Phase 11, 8. on the main York campus Le 3 octobre, cl 20h dans Hours for the mixed med- le Senior Common Room, Only $2.95 Anyone wishing to meet ia exhibit are 8:45 a.m. le Professeur Rouyer with her should contact to 5:00 p.m. donnera une conference Marina Dorna at 487-6181 Wednesday, October 3 ouverte au grand public (6182) to arrange an app­ at 5:00 p.m. sur le feminisme contem- ropriate time. A:ll students interested 4 Pro Tern September 28, 1979 Who Cares?

"You should have been little we have yet so much ing about vocational train­ there". The line comes we waste. All that is req­ ing, but, experience in from a Roger McGuinn uired is a little time and living. The ability to com­ song that at the moment a lot of effort. If you want municate and co-operate escapes memory. But we or expect things to hap­ with other human beings. c..; Iend~,' ',:>11\./.:('. are not here to discuss pen; your involvement is Y ou can find this exper­ Y t' rk ljl!; "'~f' i ty that because; you were not not only necessary, it is ience here at Glendon as ~27;) H;\.\\if'~· :\\t'lll" Where? you ask. The an­ essential.Obviously, there well. Tln·UTHtl. ()n::lri" swer to which is, you is more to life than "going \11:\ ~1\!F. name it, student council" to school" (though a few, Take for example, the Radio Glendon, Pro Tem a mighty few, might argue first time one walks into 'Pro Tem is the independent and any other number of otherwise) and nobody ex­ the pub, the newpaper, the weekly newspaper of Glen­ activities and organizat­ pects that school life is the radio station, the theatre don College. Founded in Editor- in -Chief:: ions that exist here inthis end all and beall ofandim­ etc, etc, 1962 as the original student Robert Taylor' microcosm known, portant part of one's can be as frightening as publication of York Univer­ News Editor:: fondly as Glendon College. youth. it is an appealing experi­ sity, it has been a member Cheryl Watson The "9:00 to 5:00" frame ence. .. of the Canadian University Ass't News Editor: of mind. In a word it is; This academic partof ed­ Press since 1967. Pro Tem. -Ron Hoff unfortunate. You have ucation is the major ob­ strives to be autonomous of Redacteur fran~ais: heard it before and we jective here at Glendon. The common goal is to both universityadministra­ Jean Fortier will not bore you with re­ This is not to dismiss­ make the atmosphere of tion and student govern­ Entertainment Editor: petition. (See Deacon's ed or denied. There is, every student's life at 'ment. and all copy and Denis Armstrong Beacon, Pro Tern Oct. 21 however, a second reason Glendon more diverse. The photographs are the sole same can be said for get­ Sports Editor: Ron Hoff 1976) for coming to University. responsibility of the editor­ I ti one that as a Liberal ting involved. It not only Pro Tem Photographers: "We're Pinheads now" ial staff. Editorial offi ces Arts College we must deal gives you something to Julie Parna ----Devo have pride in, but some­ are located in Glendon Hall. with. In the long run it may Bruce McMulkin thing you can use in all Telephone': 487-6133. Pro Really, it is amatter of be the only thing that will stages of your life. Tem is printed by Webman Literary Editor: attitude. Ah, but you say: save us. This aspect is ex­ Lirpited, Guelph, Ontario. Jean Russell "the demands of time". So perience. We are nottalk- Circulation: 4,1)00, in­ cluding Glendon and main campuses of York {:niYer-. Typesetting: Jane King, Who Pays For The Fun? sity. National advertising is Deirdre MacLean, Patty handled by Youthstream, Meredith, . We all do. 310 Davenport Rd., Toronto, Layout: Andrea Johnson, struction is something to disapprove. Somehow, it Ontario M5R lK5. Telephone Jean Russel, Christa A flat response be glorified has to die. just wouldn't have come to the question, dull,ser­ 925-63.59. Cheryl Watson, Ron Hoff, otion flourishes in across amid the laughter. Local advertising is the res­ Denis Armstrong. ious. Indeed. But what o­ the larger world, growing ponsibility of Seprocorp Inc .. ther answer is there. The ever more blatant as it We wonder what is so fun­ Suite 6. 2279 Yonge St.. problem is vandalism, the grows more socially ac­ ny about higher prices,. Toronto. Ontario \T4P 2C7. solution is a community ceptable. The evidence is increased seucrity, or, Telephone: 487-0316. Adver­ response. There are no visible right here at Glen­ heaven forbid, the closing tising copy deadline: Monday powers stronger than that don, and has been for some of the pub. Call it boring 4 pm. All other copy should of peer pressure, but be-­ years. If one saw an act call it cheap, or call it be submitted by 12:00 noon fore it can be brought to of vandalism, or heard it practicable, but next time on Tuesday. IIII bear the notion that de-. bragged of, one dared not try suggesting they stop. FROM QUEEN'S PARK r AH A TfCHOIC(A~. r BUIl"O ms OIl, Plrf ~HJ6. by Gord Cochrane as much as $9 million The fringe benefits also "Enlightened despotism annually in a year's prove a bit shallow since revisted." time. The first year, most employers pay a That is how the NDP's though, it will cost an portion of their workers' Richard Johnston has des­ extra $700,000. OHIP anyway. And, what cribed the announcement Eligible welfare recipients, of the' recipients who of a new program to help whether sole-supporting live in areas where'a high welfare recipients become parents or disabled per­ percentage of physicians self- supporting. sons, will also have the have opted-out of the "The blatant hypocracy of regular fringe benefits government's health in­ Keith Norton's Work of health insurance, pre­ surance scheme? In Incentive proposal must scription drugs, basic that case, the recipients be exposed," Johnston dental care, and eyeglasses, would be forced to pay (MPP-Scarborough West) which are normally given more for their health said. "All he is doing family benefits recipients. se-rvices than OHIP would is trying to save the Pro­ Johnston pointed out reimburse them for. vince a few bucks, while that a woman moving into The most appalling fea­ maintaining single parent the labour force runs into ture ofthe program, aside women in a poverty sit­ extra costs of $100 to from the paltry incentives uation." $200 a month in day-care that fail to provide any in­ The program, announced costs (if she can find a centive to support oneself, by the Community and place for her children), is its one-dimensional Social Services Minister lunch money for herself nature. To make sure last Wednesday, will pay and children, and trans­ single parents are able to an allowance of $100 to portation costs for herself have their children cared $150 a month to single and her children. He for during the day, Norton parents working full-time, added, "If she lucks into should have done something and $95 to $185 to dis­ a job paying $9,500-a­ to reduce the abysmal allIed persons. It will year, she notonly loses her shortage of day~care be available to all of the $100 incentive, but all the facilities in Toronto, in 110,000 persons re- OHIP and drug benefits . particular. ' ceiving income support available to FBA recipients. When contacted by Pro under the Family Benefits The program is based on Tem, last week, a ministry Act (FBA). the questionable assumption spokesman was unable to "Our emphasis is to that the eligible people provide information on ,RVST He. help persons who want will be earning enough the number of welfare to be independent and self­ after two years of re­ recipients resident in sufficient, whenever ceiving the work incent- urban areas. Presumably, possible, to be success­ ive to no longer need it would be easier for a ful in joining the full-time the rather meagre help. rural-based single mOIDl labour force by provid­ The two year limit, how­ to find a babysitter for ing financial assistance, ever, does not apply to wel­ her children by virture fringe benefits, and a fare recipients working of the stronger sense of measure of security for part-time. community usually present up to two years," Norton It also serves as a form than for her urban said. of subsidy for employers counter-part. paying low wages and pro­ The program could also Enlightened despotism, wind-up saving taxpayers viding little or no fringe benefits. indeed. September 28, 1979 Pro Tern 5

To The Edito;l" political and social con­ As Ms. Watson no doubt pay. These debts, if they same measure was taken Denis Armstrong should sequences of attacking knows the task of prepar- occur, may be carried 0- and no loss of revenueoc­ find a more original way gays in print. Hitler, ing each year's GCSU bud- ver to the following year cured. to entertain us than by who herded thousands of get is an unenviable one; placing a further strainon In conclusion, I would attacking and insulting homosexuals into his to stretch shrinking rev- the already depleted re- like to say thatwe mustall gay men (Teenage Head, camps along with Jews, enues so as to meet ex-venues of the GCSU. This be thankfurthat Glendonis Sept. 21). The only ac­ was very political. panding expenses is a feat kind of deficit financing is still producing a weekly ceptable terms for us Terry Phillips akin to the loaves and frowned on by the Univer- newspaper and is not are "gay" or "homo­ (Glendon student) fishes act.. So, the budget sity, and it is hoped, facing the same kind of sexual". "Fags" is a committee must play not practisedby the GCSU. financial problems as its term of abuse on the same Devil's Advocate to all or- In order to balance Pro big brother on the main level as "nigger" and To The Editor ganizations that request Tern's budget for this campus. "frog". Some of Metro's Cheryl Watson's article funding. year, i suggested a cut Phil Roche cops use it regularly. "Business is Business" Pro Tem, unlike most in the number of issues. Busines~~~':lager GCSU Pro Tern should not. in last week's issue was other organizations, is This suggestion was met Letters to the editor: As an admirer of Teen­ in my opinion, irformative fully underwritten by the with the retort that this Pro Tern, Main Floor age Head's de-emphasis and fair. However, there GCSU, i.e., the GCSU would cut advertising re- Glendon HalL of politics, Mr. Armstrong were a number <;>f points will meet any and all debts venues. This is not en- The editor reserves the should consider the worth commenting upon. that Pro Tern is unable to tirely true as lastyear the _ condens~ ------right to letters. L'AGENT S'TASSE par Nicol SimardetPierre consisterait de l'Agent entreprise? La raison, la construction du mar­ de notre premier article. Sicco S'tasse, alias Piccolo et tres chers lecteurs, est teau qui allait eventuelle­ Nous vous laissons main­ de l'Agent ~'tasse, alias d'une simplicite enfantine. ment clouer les clous de tenant a la lecture de Une nouvelle annee cOm­ Bidule, alias Machin, alias C'est tout simplement la tombe de l'oncle au ce passionnant journal. mence. Il nous est venu Chouette, alias Hibou, parce que le 27 sept. a troisiE~me degre du Nous, de notre part, a l'esprit, alors que nous alias Choux. souvent ete une journee soldat dont 1'ami se vous quittons pour re­ sirotions notre boisson a L'Agence Tass~s 'engage d'une grande importance trouva sur le Golgotha tourner a nos cogitations haute teneur ethylique, formellement a respecter tout au long de l'histoire la veille de la crucifixion dont vous pourrez qu'une agence d'information dans tous ses articles de l'humanite. Ainsi, du Christ (qui l'eut cru ?) apprecier les fruits dans dument renseignee etd'une les croyances et ideologies c'est le 27 sept. 832 On aura beau se moquer nos articles a suivre. probite inattaquable se de chacun (fut-il futile, 433 Ante Christum que du 27 septembre tant Ne desesperez pas, devait d'exister pour le methodique, methodiste, monsieur Grr Orr, qu'on voudra, il restera nous vous reviendrons benefice de la communaute presbyte, presbyte et rien, chasseur prehistorique toujours le fait que plu­ bientot. / francophone du college cathodique, catholique, de son etat, inventa la sieurs eminents savant Glendon, de 1'universite hypermetrope, hyperrien­ roue et en pressentit eroient que ce sera le York, lequel college est pourattendre, orthodoxe, les usages possibles 27 septembre 3650 A.B. fort bien situe a 1'inter- heterodoxe, xerox, lucie­ juste avant de mourir, (Apres la Bombe) que section des avenues . fait-rien,on-dit-cap-et­ ecrase par son invention la semaine obtiendra enfin Lawrence est (prononcer moteur et semites). Pour qu'il avait imprudemment son quat rieme jeudi, Lorens comme dans Sophia ce qui est autres, qu'on garee en haut d'une cela a la suite d'un Lorens mais sans dire ne peut trouver sur cette pente avant d'avoir in­ memorable plaidoyer Sophia) et Bayview (pro­ liste, aucune garantie vente le frein a main. dont il n'est pas present­ noncer BEwiou et non accordant notre neutralite Ab ! Quel' inconnu ce ement necessaire de vous Bevue, ce qui serait ne peut etre obtenue. 27 septembre! C'est donner les details. facheux). Cette absence Mais pourquoi, nous de­ ce meme jour de 1'an Vous pouvez maintenant remarquee, notre caucus mandez-vous, avoir choisi 33 apres J.C. (Jules apprecier ,a leur juste valeur a decide a 1'humanite de le 27 septembre de t'an Cesar) que fut coupe les raisons qui ont fait creer un service d'infor­ de Grace 1979 pour com­ l'arbre dont le bois porter notre choix sur mation dont le personnel mencer une si grandiose allait un jour servir a' ce jour pour la parution

w For Lack Of A Better Reason by Brian Barber ed in anything other than livin·g a rather risky pro-­ Used to be that you your studies is no longer position doesn't it? ._1 never had problems find­ in vogue. mean, if you can't find a O1REERS . ing something to write That's too bad, because decent job, then you won't :> about around Glendon. it was the extra-curricul­ be able to fall back on Public Service Canada There was always some ar goings-on that made Unemployment Insurance, sort of happening--stud­ that one boring class that and if you take a low-pay­ ent union meeting, pec­ you had to take just a ing job you won't be able uliar event or nasty rum­ little bit easier to put up to keep up with inflation. The class of '80 our of s'exualperversion with, and it gave me some­ The old alternative of This year the Public Service of Canada will have a definite need for between consenting adults thing to write about. starting your own busi­ a limited number of Canada's finest graduating students from the to transfer into print. Well, enough of this. It's ness won't be much of an following areas only: But those days are gone. starting to sound like one option anymore. You're A broken picket fence, a of my great-aunt's "I going to have to do one Accounting/Finance shattered bathroom sink remember when... " lec­ heck of a lot of business Business and Public Administration Commerce and towed-away cars pass tures. to cover the interest on for excitementatthe coll­ your loan, let alone the Computer Science Eco~omics and Statistics ege today. ********************** premium. " Partly to blame are the Then again though, blow­ Engineering Get out the gelignite Library Science students who treat the folks, because the way ing up everything might be place like a laundry - -in things are going it's pro­ ing up everything might For information and application forms, see your campus placement by 9:00 out by 5:00. And bably best that we destroy turn out to be a little too office or your nearest Public Service Commission of Car,ad6 ~.i1ffir>g then there are those who !tIe economy before the extreme. Perhaps robbing office. Your application must be postmarked no later than 'J.::toh"r proceed through life, with economy destroys us. banks could tide one over 15,1979. a snail's pace and an in­ until things look cosier, According to Conference FOREIGN SERVICE: terest level to match; Board In Canada, 1980 is assuming of course, that people whose idea of a going to be a disatrous somebody will have some­ If you are interested in a career in the Foreign Service. you must good time is going down to year for the Canadian ec­ thing to put in a bank. also write the Foreign Service Exam, on Saturday, October 13, at Eaton's and trying on onomy, with real growth Ah, what the hell. Let's 9 a.m. Check your campus placement office for the location of the gloves These types have limited to one and a half just burn the money sup­ exam centre nearest you. always been here, but per cent, sontinued infla­ ply , make concrete the never in the numbers we tion, a larger federal de­ basis of our currency, and Competition 80-4000 have now. ficit, rising interest rates start from scratch. Open to both men and women. n appears that being a fewer jobs and more mc "Own a piece of rock" student and being inter­ cutbacks. could take on a whole new Public Service Commission Commission de la Fonction publique ested, active and involv- This certainly makes meaning-. .+ of Canada du Canada 6 Pro Tern September 28, 1979

if you like 80 proof.pan­ This cost is used to de­ dent validation card is dance, etc. Any group cakes. (Any of you guys fray some of the expenses your ticket to the Field of students who is inter­ see a sink ?) of holding the very elaborate House. Squash courts ested in any activity that Meanwhile the Argos and elegant beer award may be booked one day is not offered should come remain unable to remem­ ceremonies that follow in advance by calling 487­ to the Field House and ber how to play football the race. 6151. All facilities are speak to Anne O'Byrne, after Labour Day. If a Again, entry forms are open from 9:00 a.m. to the Women's Athletic Gregg falls in the forest, available at the Proctor 10:30 p.m. Numerous Director, pr myself, does it· make a sound ? Field House. We expect progrmas arealso offered Peter Jensen, the Men's Seriously, why didn't to have a minimum of 20 by the Field House rang­ Athletic Director, and we Coach Gregg put Edwards teams entered in this ing from Skin and Scuba will do everything that THE COFFIN CORNER at running back with year's fall Glendon team Diving through to Disco we can to help you establish by Ron Hoff Bragenello when Terry Marathon. and Modern Dance. Re­ a program in that area. This week a random Semi-Terrific went down gistration for these courses We are there to meet the assortment of odds and against RC. Edwards PROCTOR takes place in the office felt needs of the students ends~· some finger­ can run with the ball, FIELDHOUSE at the Field House in the area of recreation pointing, and, hopefully he just has trouble catch­ by Peter Jensen during the daytime hours and physical activity, and a blemish on the record. ing the sucker. And why Recreation Director (9:00 - 5:00 p.m.). A if there is sufficient in.­ In the you-got-to-be­ don't they throw more to Glendon College is pool schedule as well as terest, no program-is kidding department, the other wide receiver, blessed with one ofthe best a schedule of all courses impossible. winnipeg Jets coach Tom Pearson? He doesn't athletic facilities and offered by the Field House locations in the city of McVie, "Watching Luko­ have blazing speed, but and information on book­ Time has been s et a side Toronto. Located in the wich in full flight is bet­ neither did Terry Evanshon ing squash and tennis in the main gymnasium valley here at the college ter than having sex." and Mike Eban, to name courts, are available in the for a variety of clubs that is the Proctor Field Whatever turns you on Tom.. a couple who caught their main office of the Proctor will operate this season. House which houses a Meanwhile your football share of passes. Field House. These clubs have no large and smallgymnasia, Yeomen won on the field, So far, our record stands formal organization but 25 meter swimming pool, but lost in front of the at a perfect 0-2-0 mark. only require those who judge. The York Yeomen This week we will try to 4 squash courts and an The main emphasis is extremely well equipped on self-directed activity show up each evening to who have improved ruin ourbid for perfection arrange among themselves weight room. The field of a recreational type. steadily in the last few by returning to the Argos the order of play, so area is huge andthere are There are several com­ years, are off to a heal­ for the Coffin Corner Call . come on out and bring a also 3 outdoor tennis petitive intercollegiate thy start this season, Changes on the defense of friend. Three examples courts. Numerousjogging teams such as ice hockey losing to Western and the Argos make this one of such programs are trails are available in the and soccer, but for the winning over Guelph. hard to predict. Last week pick-up Volleyball, which area at distances ranging most part the goals and Unfortunately, the win not withstanding, we will runs Monday night from from 1 mile to 7 miles. objectives of the Athletic was taken from York go with the Argos to win by 8:00 - 10:00 p.m., the Information on all the Department are to pro­ last week due to the fou r points. Badminton Club, Wednesday facilities is available at vide an opportunity for peo­ playing of an inelligable night from 7:30 - 9:30 pm., the Field House or by ple to establish their own player. To the Yeoman's GLENDON and pick-up Basketball, calling 487-6150. The programs and improve credit they bounced back Friday night from 6:00 ­ MARATHON facilities are for student their own skills in life­ from that back-room 8:00 p.m. cross-body to knock off by Peter Jenson use, and thereis no charge time activities such as the University of Windsor Recreation Director for such use. Your stu- squash, tennis, jogging, Lancers, one of the big The fall edition of the Four of the Ontario­ Glendon team Marathon Quebec Intercollegiate will be held on Saturday Conference. Oct. 13th with a 12:30 Noticed how the T.V. starting time. networks have begun to The Glendon Marathon is give the· college scores a unique event in that during C.F.L. broad­ it combines high school. casts? C'mon kids, community, York Main. enroll with a winner... and Glendon teams in a Look for a lot of goals 12 person marathon run. to be scored this year Each member of the team at the Gardens - and with does approximately 2 the Leaf strength at goal miles of a pre-charted the win column should route. Entry forms for fatten up some. A lack the Marathon are avail­ of depth on the wings will able in the Field House. hurt. . and the emphasis is de­ Unless Lafleur grows finitely on participation. roots and Robinson gets lost Once again, we hope in the clouds the Habs Labbatt's Breweries will , will once again make it be sponsoring the Marathon, a cake-walk. and prizes will be award­ (J Is Howard Cosell God's ed for participation as ) punishment to idle sports well as for achievement. € fans? (No fool, Fergie Any group of students C Oliver is.) Oh, right... can organize a team and f; If you tap a Maple Ly enter the Marathon. The r do you get syrup? 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GRE AT GLENDON by Denis Armstrong As for the rest of the but unfortunately, they unfair to sa y that for the .$2 each, the GRE was a dismal fiasco. The GRE (Glendon group, well, this is the wer e not. I do not think it over 200 people who paid rock Ensemble) is a won­ hardest part of all. Mike erful example of some Kane hid behind an im­ fine talent gone to waste. pressive array pf syn­ What talent, one may ask? thesizers but refused to There's no doubt in my play on all songs, but mind that this casual three. quintet can play music well enough to satisfy I asked him about this. even the most rambun­ He explained that he had· ctious rockers. However, only been with the GRE like Achilles, the GRE for one' week and was still has its own tragic flaw. learning the tunes! After listening to theirfirst set, To my mind that flaw is I can say that I wasn't too a lack of desire to per­ surprised! By the way, form well; to become Mr. Kane's cameo appear­ professionals. The GRE ance on "Hold the Line" is simply a collection of was most enjoyable. stage-struck boys who like the power musicians Dave Olsen played an un­ inspired bass; just enough posess over and above the to be heard, but not enough After Hours music. Five guys just by Denis Armstrong Wednesday Oct. 3 at 8:00 A new series of- theatre farting around . to catch anyone's atten­ On Campus: "Get a admission is $6.50 for workshops in the avant-garde tion. His stance and an­ Little Closer" the only public, $4.50 for students vain at Factory Theatre Brian Cooke, and ex­ tics onstage remind one 99 cent disco in town information call 667 - 2370 Lab; 207 Adelaide St. Glendonite and member of of Danny Partridge from in the theatre, tonight Roman Architecture East. Five shows, com­ the GRE for the past three "Partridge Family". at 8:30 p.m. exhibit entitled Roma mencing with "Terrorist years has come to the Last and least is Mr. "Works on Paper - Lyons Interotta Oct. _.;3 - 14 Tropical" by John Mills­ forefront of the ensemble. Parrish, energy and vol­ Bolley and Leshyk" in York's Fine Arts build- Cockell. Sun. Sept. 30­ Brian isn't a flashy guit­ ume and more volume. art and experimentation, ing 596 Markham St. Mon. Oct. 1 $2.50 for arist, but a polished one, Wailing vocals are better multi-media works on call 532-2885 students, reservations with a sense for dynamic kept to rodeos. I really was paper. call 864 - 9971 music. The drummer, disappointed by this,esp in the Art Gallery; open Theatre: "To the Chicago RADIO & T.V.: "Danny Paul,(who's last name no ecially in light of the fine Mon. - Fri. 10 - 5 Finkleman says Goodbye!" one knew) has only been shows Al gave in the past. Abyss" by Ray Bradbury sunday 2-.5 a Studio Seven Production after five years on his with the group for a I also think that the poor admission is free. own show, Danny throws month. Yet, his rythms vocals are indicative of at Cafe Soho 334 Queen Main Campus: "Paula St. call 862-0199 in the towel; this Saturday were well orchestrated GRE's digression as a Ross Dancers" perform on C.B.C. radio 740. and consistent. whole. They can be better in Burton Auditorium _0_pe_n_~g_0__ct_._4_~ ~? _ "FM" on "Gold Rush" : Canadian million selling AT THE MOVIES L_- B.S. by D.A. band will unveil four new songs. Sunday Sept. 30 -by Lee Zimmermai'i gams-l0-and-th~n-fumbles- "Faced with the Dilemma" latency . on C.B.C. radio 740 In the last month, I have sketch. "You're in hot water, (Eds. Note: We were "Hudson's Bay" , a 1940 been too busy to see any Denny", our sometime ed- glad to see that Mr. American classic showing more than two filmsi And finally, there is the itor, sometime Nazi war Armstrong finally re­ the real Canada...snow The first was; Apocalypse both-of-the-above-sketch, criminal said to me. It covered from the D.T. 's Eskimos and Molson's Now, a film that quite combining the worst fea- was only one hour before enabling him to get his Export Ale... On "Magic possibly is the greatest tures of the first two - this tabloid was due to go copy in on time. However Shadows", channel 19 (OTV) American film ever made. no humour extendedover an to press. Everyone had we do hope that Mr. Arm­ beginning Mon. Oct. 1 The other movie, while inhumane period of time. finished. what they were strong will recover from at 7:30 p.m, not the worst, is cer- Also a skit involving the supposed to (except their his partial memory lapse "Wuthering Heights" on tainly in the running. I "tragic" effects of radiation beer, which I, with great "'bout how wild a party he channel 19, Monday at refer to Mr. Mike's Mondo contamination on lingerie foresight, had already ,.ad. Yes Dennis, it is a 9 p.m. Video, produced, directed, has its moments. In ad- seen to) but me. I faced matter of choice!) and written by Saturday dition , Root Boy Slim before me, one whole - ---, Night Live star Michael and the Sex Change Band's eighth of a page that lay O'Donoghue; the man whose "Boogie Till You Puke" empty as my fourth "Bra- brilliant impersonation of and the Sid Vicious ver- dor" (or was it my fifth?) Tony Orlando and Dawn sion of "My Way" deserve It was either fill that page getting their eyes poked credit. But the lousy with more of my fervent idlRRIERES out by knitting needles moments are too numerous Irish wit, or become the made television history. and much too painful to first staff member to be Fonction publique Canada This flic is actually a ignore. Nothing can really fired and banished from T.V. show which was save this movie, not my voluntary services. judged not to be ready even the "Mr. Bill" short Needless to say, I reacted Finissants de 1980 for prime time or any which preceeded it. In quickly as I could, con- C[~tte annce, la Fonction puhllque duCanac!a dUla Iwl I't 1)1t~1l h',soln other time, for that mat- Mr. Bill's very own words, sidering. Et voila! Another d'etuciiants parml les meilleulS fJnissants, malsen 110mb", I.,st/elllt ter. It is a series of "OH NO!!" day in the life of a writer in et ul1lquement cial1s les secteurs sUlvants: Administration des affaires et §~;:~£f;~r~~h;[~:~. administration publique . Bibliothcconomie I will not argue with . i Commerce him there-atthe screening Comptabilite/Finances I attended several people Courses start. •• Oct.• 10 Economie et statistique Career Learning Centre Is one of the mast mallern Genie walked out in disgust. OPEN-HOUSE computer schools in Canada tOday_ Courses are de­ signed to combine step-by-step basic theory, with There are three types . ,INFOIIMA1IONIUJlOIlIt "Hands On" experience on the most modern equip- Sciences informatiques TUE EYG 7 30 . ment available. The successful CLC grOduate is, of sketches in Mondo •• : therefore, assured of possessing up-ta-date training. POUI obtE~1111 des precislons i1 cc sujet et cks fOI IIlLII.,s de.dl'lIldlld,' • • TOUII-....IINTA1ION FlLMS-umNO The type of training necessary to meet the demands VIdeo. Firstly, there IS oflOdav's modern computerized in.dustries. cI'emplol, veuillez communlquer avec le centle de placement UI1IVL'I' what I, affectionately, call COURSE PREREQUISITES APPROX. PLACEMENT qc sitaire ou le bureau de dotation de la Commission de la Fonction the euthanasia sketch. publique du Canada le plus rapproche, Les clemancies ci'emplol This is characterized by • Keypunch. •• 10 ••••••••••••••••73% doivent etre postees au plus tard le 15 octoble 1979, le cachet a total lack of anything • Operations •••••••""'.11 ••••••••••••••••92% d'obliteration en faisant foi. remotely associated with • Pr..rammlng 12 ••••••••••••••••94% ,SERVICE EXTERIEUR humour as we know it -• Electronic 'ech•••••""'.12 •••••••• ·••••••• 100% but mercifully, its death • MocIule &NSI.coaoa,. ....II••ASIC I Les personnes desireuses de faire carr)ere au Service exterieul doivent comes quickly and with- PLUS FOUII..urc. I subir l'Examen du service exterieur qui aura lieu le samedi 13 octobre cl 9,h. Pour connaitre le lieu de I'examen le plus rapproche, veuillez out pain. Y2 DAY: MORN., AFTERNOON, EVG. - FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE AVAIL. ; Secondly, there is the PLACEMENT ASSISTANCE II communiquer avec votre centre de placement universitaire. sketch which initially 11 Concours 80·4000 shows promise, only to FOR INFORMATION ~ Ouvert aux hommes et aux femmes ' lose it later because itPLEASE CALL OR VISIT CAREER. LEARNING CENTRE· goes on much too long- 4881 TONGI ST., 6th FLOOIt (SHIPPARD CIN~E) TORONTO, ONI. n.+ Commission de la Fonclion publique Public Service Commission ."L: du Canada of Canada I term this Terry-Metcalf- .y IIY. 226·9111 '9,00&"'1'07'00""" .1 , . , , ._. ., .. , .. _._ . _ September 28, 1979· 8 Pro Tern THE FRIPP INTERVIEW

particular forms it hap­ and capture on r~cord wonderful. It is not like CKRG: Thank you very pens to take, for me, whatever the essence of that at all. One accepts. much for coming here.. don't really matter. That the artist might be. Now the role as a performer, ------I might share a similar coming back to the idea one accepts the role as technical vocabulary with I was saying earlier that a listener. Presenting people at Sherbourne that I believe if one commits oneself in that situation Grooves if one talks about "sens­ oneself to any particular music might happen, itive and automatic ener­ venture to put as much something remarkable gies", they would know in quality into it as possible. might happen. But, it a flash what I meant sim­ I sense that is the most attributes no special ply 'caus~ wehaveacom­ commercial thing one can worth to the performer mon vocabulary. But it do. Not a sense of one's or the listener. They doesn't mean that I or behaviour; so if one does have simply put them­ they are any better than commit oneself to making selves in a situation where anyone el"e, it simply if you like, an essential something might happen. means we have a common album I think that is all They have created con­ language. one can do in terms of ditions in which music CKRG: Which means that In this, the third and trying to' sell it., as well. can take place. It is in­ you could related just as I don't see this as being teresting, you know, that final part of the Fripp well to, say, a Buddist InterrView, Fripp continues exclusive. The normal when I am told certain but you would have to idea of:Here's the artist quotes of myself that ar EXPOSURE with his discussion of talk in different languages he is or they are, an ex­ nearly what I have said, (Polygram Records) "Exposure" and that which FRIPP: I say, only after cuse to let the recordtake they can sometimes give by Denis Armstrong influenced its content. a certain point-(Iaughing) place. Well, its very true a completely different " It is impossible to ach­ Once again, Pro Tern after a certan point we from one point of view sense. Now, in terms of ieve the aim without suf­ would like to thank CKRG could underst~nd each where the producer or the the artist taking on a fering. " and Robert Fripp. other. record company have certain aspect which can CKRG: Once you get the some notion of what might then incorporate into CKRG: You came upon vocabulary over with, be a commercial product their character, if one these undrstandings while some common under­ and then, the artist has puts oneself in a situation " Dismal, pathetic chord studying Gurdjief? . standing; I would think to suffer that particular in which music can take. sequence." FRIPP: Bennett was my that then you could relate. straitjacket, or whatever place and music does take. teacher....I'm not at all FRIPP: I found with this in order to create some place and more and more interested in pushing, in Sufi musician Ihadbreak­ prefabricated notion what one .works on this prop- an evangelical sense, any fast with who had known is immediately viable in osition of raising the sail particular school of Bennet and; a lot of Gurd­ the commercial sense. constructing the sail so Landscapes of thought thought or whatever. jief's background was Sufi CKRG: But also the aud­ the breeze can take us to processes, discrete arr­ CKRG: Does it matter our approadJ. to music was ience as well, you men­ some quite remarkable angements, synthetlcs which school of thought very similar even though tion that the artist tends places which might there­ drawn from his own mus­ that you go through? for me it was working to expand himself or her­ fore change us as human ical/verbal vocabulary. FRIPP: No, I don't be­ also entirely on instinct, self in a direction which beings. That we might lieve it does. That as whereas for him, he had seems .most accessible to find that the processes of Rajanish would say; learned a certain ap­ an audience, oracceptable these journeys do give us they're all fingers point­ proach. But, nevertheless, to an audience. certain insights. And in ing at the moon. The near­ although the backgrounds FRIPP: I don't remember that sense, we can change. Viscerial and eugenic er one gets to the moon, were completely dissim­ saying that. This idea about the so­ music - novel and enjoy­ the more and more they ilar, the approach was CKRG: Well, it was in the called "Frjppertronics" able, if one finds the ecc­ say the same thing. I re­ the same. same interview. being in the avant-garde entric attractive. If not, member going to Tai Chi CKRG: Well as another FRIPP: What did I say, and what is it's kind of forget it. • classes in London, Eng­ aspect of the identity that would you care to quote reaction. I get far more land with a very remark­ I wanted to ask you; in an me exactly? propostions now from able woman and I said interview last year you CKRG: Oh, I didn't get it Frippertronics in the past to her: "I didn't know talked about the problems exactly . three months than I ever whether to continue with involved in producing an FRIPP: Ah!! did in the six years of Nonpareil - how can I the Gurdjief movement or album for someone else CKRG: You said that in rock'n'rol I with King make you understand ? with Tai Chi and someone which is something you performing, an artist puts Crimson. So, I sense suggested to me that they have been doing a lot of; on a different sideofhim­ something must be on tar- were really both the do you exploit the act or self which he then may get. And may I say that same." And she said "Yes the art of what they are become. I think that is women t~nd to understand Recommendation: Listen they are both the same doing or try and help the pretty close. in a more direct way than to 'Exposure' and fill in but only afte r a point." artist find his or her own FRIPP: Now, that is en­ men do. Men tryaJ1d un­ the details. And that is dead right, so musical identity which tirely different sense. derstand it in terms of for me, lam just as happy may be less commercil­ This is where the per­ good- ideas; a process in working with a sincere ag­ ly viable, but how do you former accepts a certain construction of music and nostic as I am with anyone find producing yourself role...just as a listener so on. Women don't seem else. However one wishes within those confines? accepts a certain role. to prat about with that, to approach this idea of FRIPP: Very rewarding is Now, normally the idea we they get the message in " So the whole story is so-called, new age or new the answer to the last have of a performer is a far more direct form. completely untrue; a big world ideas, it doesn't question, but that's a lot that they do something a far more direct fashion. hoax! Ha - Ha." matter provided one has of questions there, you and when something re­ Good. , the committment. That's see. markable comes out they CKRG: And they don't the only requirement, What is audio-verite? are, therefore, demi- need the labels then? committment. And the The commitment to ~ry gods; they are, therefore FRIPP: I think.not.